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Migrating users from MM2 to MM3 on a new server?
by jkoral＠luc.edu 25 Nov '24

25 Nov '24

Is there a way to copy users from the old MM2 server to a new MM3 server? Also, will it copy their password as well?

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Unexpexted error: if you are sure you want to run as root, specify --run-as-root"
by w.schoener＠alp.dillingen.de 25 Nov '24

25 Nov '24

I want to execute some commands in mailman shell. I log in terminal as super user. But when I use the command mailman shell -l my.list.id i get the responce: "error: if you are sure you want to run as root, specify --run-as-root" I tried: mailman shell -l --run-as-root my.list.id but this does not help. Thank you for all hints. Wolfgang

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MM2 to MM3 Archives Loading
by Joshua Bushe 23 Nov '24

23 Nov '24

Hi everyone, I’ve successfully converted a list from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3, and most things are working smoothly. However, I’m encountering an issue with the archives in the GUI: Problem: The archives don’t load on the overview page. Odd Behavior: If I use the search function, the archives appear as expected, but they remain invisible on the main overview. Has anyone encountered this issue or have suggestions for troubleshooting? Thanks in advance for your help!

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Hyperkitty performance problem
by Tobias Diekershoff 22 Nov '24

22 Nov '24

Hey all, last week we caught some AI bots causing high LOAD on our mailman3 servers archive, that we blocked with nginx rules. I'm not sure if it is related to this incident, but we noticed this when analyzing the log files at the time. In the mailman.log hyperkitty is listed 10k times and more to archive a single mail over the time of 2h, seemingly all with the same process ID > (1186) HyperKitty archived message [...] The mailman3-web.log has matching log entries that the mail was archived > hyperkitty.views.mailman Archived message every 0.5 seconds. In the web interface to the archive, the mail is only listed once though. My suspicion is, that these archiving processes are now overloading the system, preventing a timely catching up work of the queued messages. I could not find anything in the Mailman3 nor Hyperkitty documentation to better distribute the system resources to the Mailman runner or prevent Hyperkitty to restart archiving a mail over and over again. Any hint about where to look for the reason of this is highly appreciated. Best, Tobias -- Tobias Diekershoff >>> System Hacker Free Software Foundation Europe Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 10119 Berlin, Germany | t +49-30-27595290 Registered at Amtsgericht Hamburg, VR 17030 | fsfe.org/support OpenPGP-Key ID ... 0x25FE376FF17694A1 Fingerprint ...... 23EE F484 FDF8 291C BA09 A406 25FE 376F F176 94A1

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Recaptcha for subscription requests?
by Jered Floyd 22 Nov '24

22 Nov '24

Hello Mailman3 users, I've seen a massive uptick in bogus subscription requests with real addresses, either being used to DDoS outside mailboxes or just for intrusion/scanning. (It looks like a lot of fake random strings for name and then valid addresses like scanning/scamming tools like Acunetix generate.) When these hit thousands of gmail addresses they get classified as spam and hurt our overall deliverability. Has anyone yet built a CAPTCHA integration for the Subscription/Sign Up path? Regards, --Jered

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Moving existing lists to a new domain
by Jeremy Stanley 21 Nov '24

21 Nov '24

I've moved lists and archives between domains in Mailman 2.1 and Pipermail, but not yet with Mailman 3 and Hyperkitty. I have a working multi-domain deployment, and one of the organizations using it is working on changing their domain name. Forwarding incoming messages at the MTA and setting up redirects on the Web server are simple enough, but internally within MM3/Django reside the bits I'm less certain about. Since all the lists for the given domain will be moving to the same unused new domain on the existing server, and can move at the same time, I suppose this could be done through (offline if necessary) backend database update queries. Is there anything outside the DB which would need updating or regenerating for this too? Is this how others have tackled similar tasks in the past, or is it recommended to export/import lists one at a time out of one domain and into another? Any tips are greatly appreciated! -- Jeremy Stanley

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Hyperkitty configuration
by Alain D D Williams 21 Nov '24

21 Nov '24

Well, I have finally got it to archive something. One simple thing that tripped me up was the ARCHIVER_KEY • mailman-hyperkitty.cfg says: # The shared api_key, must be identical except for quoting to the value of # MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in HyperKitty's settings. api_key: SecretArchiverAPIKey Which is confusing as it is referring to "# Mailman API credentials" in the file mailman-web.py • mailman-web.py says: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'SecretArchiverAPIKey' It would be good if the lines in mailman-web.py were: # The value below is the same as api_key in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg except that the value here has quotes round it MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'SecretArchiverAPIKey' And the lines in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg were: # The shared api_key, must be identical except for quoting to the value of # MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in HyperKitty's settings (mailman-web.py) # The value here does not have quotes api_key: SecretArchiverAPIKey And if you want to be really nice check if the api_key value is enclosed in quotes and generate a message if so. Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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Must issue a STARTTLS command first when forwarding from old server to new server
by jkoral＠luc.edu 20 Nov '24

20 Nov '24

I have a fully functioning Mailman3 server now and have setup and alias on the old server to forward mail to the new server. We have TLS enabled on the new server, but not the old server, so the new server is rejecting the mail coming through. Our IT security will not allow me to disable TLS on the new server. Is there a way to make an exception in mailman3 to allow a specific host to send mail through without using TLS?

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Problems configuring hyperkitty
by Alain D D Williams 20 Nov '24

20 Nov '24

I am having another go at installing mailman3 - I seem to have mailman3 & postorius working - although basic testing, much more needed to confirm that I understand it. I want to get hyperkitty working before I start full testing. I am running Debian 12 - Bookworm and have installed the Debian packages. The database is Mysql. This is not a virtualenv setup. There is no documentation in the hyperkitty package so I am following: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/install.html I read the following: "The database can be created with the following command: django-admin migrate --pythonpath example_project --settings settings " I assume that that will create some database tables. Hopefully this will have been done by installing package python3-mailman-hyperkitty. • What database & tables will that be ? It would be really useful to be told so that I can check. • The config file is: /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg This does not contain any comment about databases. Where does hyperkitty get its database parameters from ? • I have several different maildomains each with several lists. Some lists in different domains have the same name. Do I need a different example_project/settings.py for each domain, if so what changes ? One of the next things that I will need to do is to import archives from mailman2. How does the command below change for the different domains ? django-admin hyperkitty_import --pythonpath example_project --settings settings -l ADDRESS mbox_file [mbox_file ...] Is there some better documentation that I have failed to find ? Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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MM2.1 -> MM3.3 migration. To hold or not hold
by mark＠suburbia.org.au 19 Nov '24

19 Nov '24

Hi, I've spent the past week slowly migrating from MM2.1 to MM3.3. One of the lists migrated was set to hold all user posts for moderation, as the list isn't a discussion list but a newsletter sent out on occasion to user/members. I am seeing unexpected behaviour post-migration. The list settings have automatically (and appropriately) been set to hold mails when I go to Settings -> Message Acceptance -> "Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list" -- it says `Hold for moderation` The migrated members when viewed all have a Moderation Action of `Hold for moderation`, which is also expected. When I add new members through Mass operations -> Mass subscribe, the new members have a Moderation Action of `None`. I've looked through the archives of this list, and from what I can tell: According to https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > None does not mean no moderation. None means use the list default > as opposed to one of the specific actions defined The thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… seems to also repeat the above, that `none` means the configured setting for the list. However, I've just done a test of a newly added user (a test email account for me), seen that the Moderation Action is `None`, but when I posted to the list from the address, it was not held for moderation, and went through. Am I missing something with the expected functionality? If it helps; Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.11.2 (main, Sep 14 2024, 03:00:30) [GCC 12.2.0] Postorius Version 1.3.8 Cheers, Mark

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Template for Password Reset Email
by Mark 18 Nov '24

18 Nov '24

Hi, I have a list and user account set with French as the preferred language. Most message emails (such as the Welcome email) all arrive in French, but not the Password Reset email (shown below) - it arrives in English. I'm guessing that there may not be an .mo file for it. I don't see a template for the Password Reset email in the list's administration settings. Is it possible to create a template for it? Something like "list:user:action:reset"? My thinking is, if creating a template is possible, to (a) write it in French for this list; and (b) rewrite it differently as it's confusing some users. Regards, Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [lists.domain.com] Password Reset Email ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello from lists.domain.com! You are receiving this email because you or someone else has requested a password for your user account. However, we do not have any record of a user with email imark(a)myemail.com in our database. This mail can be safely ignored if you did not request a password reset. If it was you, you can sign up for an account using the link below. https://lists.domain.com/accounts/signup/ Thank you for using lists.domain.com! lists.domain.com

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MTA setup
by Arte Chambers 18 Nov '24

18 Nov '24

I've got a new installation of Mailman 3 setup, however I am having some issues I'm not sure how to troubleshoot. Mailman is successfully sending invite emails however user messages sent to the list are not being sent to subscribers. Also in Hyperkitty none of my test messages to the list are showing up in the archive. I am using Postfix with an SMTP relay hosted at Brevo.com (formally sendinblue). Brevo's logs show the message getting rejected Log from brevo.com (SMPT Relay) Sent on 17-11-2024 21:49:16 From listmember(a)gmail.com To listmember(a)gmail.com Message ID<CAPesOD1y0fEaG=GFodz=Lgs1m_hqRErPnQcpXCNtKsBbJ= BJ7Q(a)mail.gmail.com> 17-11-2024 21:49:16 Sending has been rejected because the sender you used listmember(a)gmail.com is not valid. Validate your sender or authenticate your domain >>>Postfix main.cf # See /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, more complete version # Debian specific: Specifying a file name will cause the first # line of that file to be used as the name. The Debian default # is /etc/mailname. #myorigin = /etc/mailname smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no # appending .domain is the MUA's job. append_dot_mydomain = no # Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings #delay_warning_time = 4h readme_directory = no # See http://www.postfix.org/COMPATIBILITY_README.html -- default to 3.6 on # fresh installs. compatibility_level = 3.6 # TLS parameters smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key smtpd_tls_security_level=may smtp_tls_CApath=/etc/ssl/certs smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination myhostname = list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = $myhostname mydestination = $myhostname, list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, localhost.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, , localhost mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 mailbox_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all # Mailman3 configs # Support the default VERP delimiter. recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains #SMPT Relay Brevo relayhost = [smtp-relay.sendinblue.com]:587 smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd smtp_tls_security_level = encrypt smtp_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt *In closing*, can anyone point me in the right direction for further troubleshooting on this issue? Thank you, Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey

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Removing a moderator via the REST API
by Andy Matthews 15 Nov '24

15 Nov '24

You can currently add moderators to a mailing list via the REST API by posting to the `members` endpoint with `role` set to `moderator`. However it doesn't appear that you can remove a person as moderator via the API, per a comment made by Mark on 8/12/24 in this thread: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… We've already got scripts we use to manage moderators on lists, but we're trying to convert everything over to use the API. Does anyone have an idea of when this functionality will make it into the API? Thank you.

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Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.
by jkoral＠luc.edu 14 Nov '24

14 Nov '24

We have figured out how to migrate from one server to another, but after removing the list from the old server, the e-mails are still trying to go there. Is there something that needs to be done in mailman so that the e-mail list will hit the new server instead? Does it just take time? Thank you, Joe Koral

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Show list history
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat 14 Nov '24

14 Nov '24

Hi, is there a way to know the history of a specific list, such as the changes that have been made over time? We want to see the history of members who have been added or removed. I can only see the mailman logs from the last 5-6 days Thank you

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Installation Questions [Installation}
by Arte Chambers 14 Nov '24

14 Nov '24

Hello everyone, I'm running Ubuntu 24.10 and following the Virtualenv instructions <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setup-mailman-u…>. When creating the mailman user per the instructions I find that the mailman user doesn't have sufficient permissions to do things later in the installation such as creating files in /etc. What steps should I take to ensure that the mailman user has the correct permissions to install the Mailman app. Thank you, Arte Chambers

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Problems getting started with postorius
by Alain D D Williams 14 Nov '24

14 Nov '24

I am having another go with mailman3, being a long time MM2 user, but am getting increasingly frustrated. I am using on Debian 12 (Bookworm) and have installed the various Debian packages - mailman3-full does that. I have successfully started the mailman3 and mailman3-web services. I went to: http://localhost/mailman3/postorius/domains/new/ 'Add a new domain' I enter a 'Mail Host' -- a domain that does exist on this machine I choose a Web host from the drop down list -- same as Mail Host I click on 'Create Domain' and the page refreshes with the same information but under the Mail Host I see in red: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} I eventually tracked it down. The problem was that I had signed in with an account "addw@localhost". That, for some reason, failed validation above. I hacked the database and changed to "addw(a)localhost.localdomain" and creating the new domain worked. I could send email to addw@localhost - so at the MTA level it is correct. So please can the initial account creation do the same validation as does adding a new domain. I have looked but cannot find any documentation on postorius than https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/ which is not helpful for a user or system admin. Can you point me to something better. Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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Postorius List members
by Alain D D Williams 14 Nov '24

14 Nov '24

I have a test list with a few members. For each member it is showing me: Address, Delivery mode, Moderation action, bounce score. It is NOT showing Delivery status (Enabled, Disabled, Disabled by owner, ...). The only way of seeing this is by clicking on the email address (Subscription options). Is it possible to add delivery status to the summary where many users are shown ? I find this (on mailman 2) to be very useful, ie get a quick overview of what is happening to users. Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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No e-mail distribution after import of archive
by Markus Grandpré 13 Nov '24

13 Nov '24

Dear Mr. Sapiro, on our test system we noticed the problem that after importing a mailing list archive from a Mailman system v2.1 into a Mailman system v3.3.8, e-mails are no longer distributed via this mailing list. E-mails that are written to the list find their way into the archive, but they are not sent to any member of the list. Before the archive was imported, writing an e-mail to the list and distributing this e-mail via the list was not a problem. Unfortunately, we cannot find any indication of this issue in the log of the mailman system v3.3.8. Please help us to further analyze and solve this problem, as we are planning to import 188 archives into our new productive mailman system v3.3.8 during the next months. With kind regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Changes in Django admin interface are not syncing to postorius gui /database
by ulf.rapphahn＠offis.de 12 Nov '24

12 Nov '24

Hello, I have the lasted version of mailman3 in an fresh venv installation and I am testing it for our upcoming migration from v2.1. When I add a new list in the django admin interface this list will never appear in postorius (vice versa it works). The new list is also not in both databases: SELECT * FROM mailman.mailinglist; SELECT * FROM mailmanweb.hyperkitty_mailinglist; (Why two databases are needed with redundant data?) The same when changing for example the description of an existing list in the django admin interface it doesn't change the description of the list in postorius. Vice versa it works. Changes made in postorius are also seen in django. Could please someone help me or explain this behavior? I hope it is a problem with my configuration. Thank you and regards, Ulf

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Maximum recipients in an email.
by b.dirk＠gmx.de 12 Nov '24

12 Nov '24

Hello, where can I configure the maximum recipients in an email in mailman3? In my postfix configuration is set a limit "smtpd_recipient_limit = 200" and in the mailman3 smtp.log i will get a error message like "failed with code 452, b'4.5.3 Error: too many recipients'". Mailman3 repeats the delivery for these addresses, but i would like to configure correctly. The delivery of mails is then faster. Thanks. Best regards, Dirk

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Add member to a list by email
by b.dirk＠gmx.de 12 Nov '24

12 Nov '24

Hello, I'm trying to add members by email with the following content. Recipient: testlist-request(a)xxxxxxxx.de Email content: join address=max.mustermann(a)xxxxxxxx.de After I've sent this email, it still has to be confirmed in the Postorius web interface under member requests. How can I confirm membership by email, or deactivate this confirmation for moderators? Thanks. Best regards, Dirk

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Bulk delivery status change?
by Stephen Daniel 11 Nov '24

11 Nov '24

Mistakes were made, and for while every single outbound email bounced. I've fixed the mistakes, but now in my largest and most active email list, every single user's delivery status is "Disabled by Bounces". Is there a way to bulk fix this? Or do I have to go into each user, one at a time, and fix them? Thanks! -- Steve

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Postorius not HTML-decoding < to "<" characters
by Ron / BCLUG 10 Nov '24

10 Nov '24

Andy Smith wrote on 2024-10-30 20:59: > # Block access to the signup form from Tor exit nodes. > <Location /mailman/accounts/signup> > <RequireAll> > Require all granted > Include /etc/apache2/tor-exit-list.conf > </RequireAll> > </Location> If we look at the above message, there are less-than and greater-than symbols around the Apache keywords in the email as expected. If we look at the archived version of the message, we see a slightly mangled representation: # Block access to the signup form from Tor exit nodes. <Location /mailman/accounts/signup> <RequireAll> Require all granted Include /etc/apache2/tor-exit-list.conf </RequireAll> </Location> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Hopefully I've assigned the blame to Postorius accurately and no formatting nor archiving issues make the issue difficult to understand. Thanks.

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Create an eml command in a plugin
by antoine.depoisier＠ikmail.com 09 Nov '24

09 Nov '24

I try to create an EML command to allow moderators to accept a subscription request made by an address. I created this command in CLI first, to test if it works, and it works well except to send the welcome message. After that, I tried to create the EML command in my plugin, and when I'm testing this command, nothing happens. Also, when using the command EML help, my command is not shown on the email sent. Maybe I missed something to add in the configurations files. Should I add some configuration files for this command ? Here are the working tree command_eml_addmember_mailman_plugin __init__.py commands __init__.py eml_accept.py cli_test_accept.py

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Postorius admin/user guide
by Florin Pasăre 08 Nov '24

08 Nov '24

Hello, We're trying to update mailman to version 3 from version 2, and I can't seem to find some non-technical guide for Postorius, something like an owners manual for all the configurations available in Postorius. Is there such a thing? Thank you, Florin

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Members (and moderators) can't view the list of members.
by mrl＠psfc.mit.edu 07 Nov '24

07 Nov '24

I installed Mailman 3 almost 2 years ago. I only now noticed that members of a mailing list can't view the list of members. Even moderators can't see the list. Only Owners. The error message is "You do not have permissions to visit this page." Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.12 (main, Jun 11 2023, 05:26:28) [GCC 11.4.0] Postorius Version 1.3.8 Any ideas? I did make a few "minor" changes to the code, but hopefully it didn't cause this problem. What file(s) contains the code that checks for permissions? Or maybe there is a config file? I also notice by default, for all users, in their "Global Mailman Preferences", the default setting for "Hide Address" is "Yes". How can I change that to be "No". And can I reset that setting for all my present users? Thanks. - Mark

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How to keep virtualenv install secure?
by Lichtinger, Bernhard 07 Nov '24

07 Nov '24

Hi, I am looking for some advice: If we use the virtualenv install method, how does one keep track of security updates for all the installed dependencies? I can think of: - Upgrade regularly all installed packages inside the virtualenv. This might break mailman3 if there are incompatible updates. - Try to track all dependencies and check if there are security updates published. This might be impossible to achieve. - Security updates are so rare, we do not need to bother. ;) Thanks, Bernhard

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Abusive user creation - ideas for mitigating
by Andy Smith 07 Nov '24

07 Nov '24

Hi, My mailman3.auth_users table contains 131 rows, of which 113 of them were created in the last week. All of these users have a 10 character long random string of lowercase letters as their chosen username. Their email addresses are all over the place. I only noticed this was happening because an unusual number of the subscription confirmation messages were bouncing back to me as postmaster, and I saw the unlikely user names. I matched up some of the date_joined timings with logs of HTTP POST to /mailman/accounts/signup and every single one so far was a unique IP address. So I am not going to get very far with firewalling. Does anyone have any suggestions what I can do to avoid this? Specifically what I would like to avoid is sending a confirmation email to these potentially innocent addresses. … Hmm, actually I've just noticed that all of them are Tor exit nodes. Looks like I could probably autogenerate an Apache ACL that lists all Tor exit nodes and bans them from posting to /mailman/accounts/signup. Thanks, Andy

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Backup and restore a single list
by sherin＠raidm.com 06 Nov '24

06 Nov '24

Hello, I am new to mailman3 . I am looking for the procedure to backup and restore a single mailing list from mailman3. If any one know the procedure or the documentation , please point me

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Where to find disabled members?
by Bill Oliver 05 Nov '24

05 Nov '24

Now that I have mailman running smoothly, I'm having to deal with a few other issues. When I changed vendors for my vps, my vendor gave me a static IP address that was apparently run by Satan himself. The ip address is -- or was -- on a number of blacklists. I have spent the past couple of weeks going through various appeals processes to get whitelisted, and I think I'm in good shape. In the meantime, a fair number of subscribers have been disabled. When I look at Postorius -> Settings -> Bounce processing, I see all of the policies I can play with, but I don't see how to a) See who is disabled, and b) un-disable them by hand or... do I just have to wait seven days for them to automatically get un-disabled? Thanks! billo

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member appears twice in list - how?
by Jose Bernal 05 Nov '24

05 Nov '24

I've got a list member showing up twice in a list (same email address). Can't use the GUI to remove the member from this list (get a 503 error) Screenshots attached, underlying database query reveals no duplicates. Wondering how this is possible or where else I should be looking to resolve this duplicate before I simply remove their entry from the members table altogether. Thank you, --------------------- José Bernal Web/Application Engineer Cell 541-228-8481 jbernal.web.dev(a)gmail.com ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: Screen Shot 2024-11-05 at 10.53.55 AM.png Content-Type: image/png Name: Screen Shot 2024-11-05 at 10.59.12 AM.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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"held for moderation" - alias domain details sought
by Greg Newby 05 Nov '24

05 Nov '24

Hi friends. I've viewed this old thread: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… and documentation here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… (and the Postfix docs it links to). Those documents don't seem to guide my situation, or maybe I just need a more specific example. The problem is that when messages are delivered to the alias domain, they are held for moderation. I.e., mail to the alias domain like testlist(a)domain.tld is held for moderation, but mail from the same subscribed, non-moderated user to testlist(a)lists.domain.tld is posted immediately without moderation. I wonder whether my main domain needs to be @domain.tld and my alias domain needs to be @lists.domain.tld - is that what I should try? Or, am I not setting up the alias domain correctly? Details: I'm writing to ask for advice so that mailman messages to address(a)domain.tld can also be sent to address(a)lists.domain.tld. There are various other non-Mailman addresses (local Unix accounts and aliases) handled by @domain.tld as well as @otherdomain.tld on the same server. I have a running 3.3.10 server (venv, using Postfix and PostgreSQL under Ubuntu 24.04LTS). The configured domain is of the form: lists.domain.tld and it's working ok. I put this in /etc/aliases and it seems to work, to forward messages from testlist(a)domain.tld to testlist(a)lists.domain.tld: testlist: testlist(a)lists.domain.tld I know it works because I see it in MM3's smtp.log and mailman.log, including a line like this in mailman.log: Oct 12 21:12:27 2024 (2560960) HOLD: testlist(a)lists.domain.tld post from gbnewby(a)petascale.org held, message-id=< CANLuyJZd8NNn5rOLe3XUhooG9F33U_7VOQXrS-7Z241koAV_Ww(a)mail.otherdomain.com>: Message has implicit destination And, indeed, the message is held for moderation. In the MM3 configuration panel for Domains ( https://lists.domain.tld/mailman3/domains/), I have put "domain.tld" in the "Alias domain" field. Thanks for any guidance. I appreciated seeing the recent threat about "redirecting -bounces replies" which also addresses alias domains. ~ Greg

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HSTS Missing from HTTPS Server
by jkoral＠luc.edu 05 Nov '24

05 Nov '24

In my configuration, I am using Apache to reverse proxy the requests to a uwsgi. After our security office scanned the server, it was shown that HSTS is missing from the HTTPS server. The instructions say to add some lines to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/. The only file in there is 000-default.conf that holds the configuration, but the VirtualHost is port 80. I am using an F5 to to automatically redirect port 80 to port 443, but it is still showing this vulnerability. My question is, how can enable the Virtual Host for 443 on the server? Or can that configuration be located somewhere else? Or can I just create a new Virtual Host with the added configuration for mailman? Thanks, Joe Koral

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The dread "relay access denied" error
by Bill Oliver 05 Nov '24

05 Nov '24

I've been trying to avoid asking this question since "relay access denied" problems are usually pretty silly configuration errors that I should pick up. But I've been staring at this for three days and I'm stumped. Once again here's the scenario. I set up mailman3 on Ubuntu 24.04 and it's running without a hitch, particularly now that I added the appropriate archival commands. I decided to create a backup on an older server of mine running Ubuntu 22.04. The setup is almost identical except for domain names. Unfortunately, in the second setup, I'm getting "relay access denied" to senders/recipients outside the host domain. Things go fine to list members on the local machine. Mailman is successfully sending admin mail to mailman(a)bill-oliver.com Mail not using mailman works fine. The domain where everything works is billoblog.com. The domain I'm setting up is bill-oliver.com Here's the error in syslog (mirrored in mail.log) on bill-oliver.com trying to talk to list members oliver(a)billoblog.com and billo(a)billoblog.com:: Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 162-144-108-19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19]: 454 4.7.1 <oliver(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied; from=<tradfp-bounces+oliver=billoblog.com(a)bill-oliver.com> to=<oliver(a)billoblog.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com> Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: disconnect from 162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19] ehlo=1 mail=2 rcpt=1/2 data=1 rset=1 quit=1 commands=7/8 Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: connect from 162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19] Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 162-144-108-19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19]: 454 4.7.1 <billo(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied; from=<tradfp-bounces+billo=billoblog.com(a)bill-oliver.com> to=<billo(a)billoblog.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<162-144-108-19.bluehost.com> Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: disconnect from 162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=0/1 rset=1 quit=1 commands=4/5 Nov 1 21:25:48 mail dovecot: auth-worker(10954): Debug: conn unix:auth- worker (pid=10903,uid=116): Disconnected: Connection closed (fd=-1) Nov 1 21:25:48 mail dovecot: auth-worker(10954): Debug: mysql(localhost): Connection finished (queries=1, slow queries=0) Nov 1 21:27:28 mail dovecot: auth: Debug: mysql: Connection finished (queries=0, slow queries=0) FYI, 162-144-108-19.bluehost.com is my ip address and bluehost.com is the VPS vendor. I don't know why that pops up, since the domain is bill-oliver.com. I assume it's VPS-related magic. Here are similar errors in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/smtp.log: Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) Peer: ('162.144.108.19', 51476) Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) handling connection Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'LHLO mail.bill-oliver.com' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'MAIL FROM:<billo(a)billoblog.com> SIZE=1486 BODY=8BITMIME' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) sender: billo(a)billoblog.com Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'RCPT TO:<tradfp(a)lists.bill-oliver.com>' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) recip: tradfp(a)lists.bill-oliver.com Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'DATA' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'QUIT' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) connection lost Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) Connection lost during _handle_client() Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> recipients refused: {'oliver(a)billoblog.com': (454, b'4.7.1 <oliver(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied')} Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> recipients refused: {'billo(a)billoblog.com': (454, b'4.7.1 <billo(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied')} Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> smtp to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com for 2 recips, completed in 0.27154111862182617 seconds Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> post to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com from billo(a)billoblog.com, 1448 bytes, 2 failures Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> delivery to oliver(a)billoblog.com failed with code 454, b'4.7.1 <oliver(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied' Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> delivery to billo(a)billoblog.com failed with code 454, b'4.7.1 <billo(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied' Nov 01 21:24:11 2024 (1574) <173051065026.1640.13931339026208387550(a)162-144-108-19.bluehost.com> smtp to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com for 1 recips, completed in 0.24669885635375977 seconds Nov 01 21:24:11 2024 (1574) <173051065026.1640.13931339026208387550(a)162-144-108-19.bluehost.com> post to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com from tradfp-request(a)bill-oliver.com, 1222 bytes I have gone over my main.cf and master.cf a zillion times. Worse, I've compared them with the same files in the setup that works, and I can't find a significant error) though things are in a slightly different order. I don't know if I'm missing something big or am just a poor proofreader. Any ideas would be appreciated. Here's the obligatory main.cf and master.cf in /etc/postfix. I use dovecot and virtual domains and virtual mailboxex administered using postfixadmin. Here's the main.cf: # See /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, more complete version # Debian specific: Specifying a file name will cause the first # line of that file to be used as the name. The Debian default # is /etc/mailname. #myorigin = /etc/mailname smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no # appending .domain is the MUA's job. append_dot_mydomain = no # Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings #delay_warning_time = 4h readme_directory = no # See http://www.postfix.org/COMPATIBILITY_README.html -- default to 3.6 on # fresh installs. compatibility_level = 3.6 #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix receives incoming emails smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.bill- oliver.com/fullchain.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.bill- oliver.com/privkey.pem smtpd_tls_security_level=may smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix sends outgoing emails smtp_tls_CApath=/etc/ssl/certs smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains myhostname = mail.bill-oliver.com alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = /etc/mailname mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost relayhost = mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 mail.bill- oliver.com bill-oliver.com lists.bill-oliver.com virtual_mailbox_limit = 0 mailbox_size_limit = 0 message_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = ipv4 #Enforce TLSv1.3 or TLSv1.2 smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp smtputf8_enable = no virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.c f hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap #virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail virtual_minimum_uid = 2000 virtual_uid_maps = static:2000 virtual_gid_maps = static:2000 policyd-spf_time_limit = 3600 smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination, check_policy_service unix:private/policyd-spf smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination # Milter configuration milter_default_action = accept milter_protocol = 6 smtpd_milters = local:opendkim/opendkim.sock non_smtpd_milters = $smtpd_milters unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 ########################################### Here's the master.cf (comments deleted) : smtp inet n - y - - smtpd submission inet n - y - - smtpd -o syslog_name=postfix/submission -o smtpd_tls_security_level=encrypt -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=no -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_relay_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticate d,reject -o smtpd_sasl_type=dovecot -o smtpd_sasl_path=private/auth smtps inet n - y - - smtpd -o syslog_name=postfix/smtps -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticate d,reject -o smtpd_relay_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject -o smtpd_sasl_type=dovecot -o smtpd_sasl_path=private/auth pickup unix n - y 60 1 pickup cleanup unix n - y - 0 cleanup qmgr unix n - n 300 1 qmgr tlsmgr unix - - y 1000? 1 tlsmgr rewrite unix - - y - - trivial-rewrite bounce unix - - y - 0 bounce defer unix - - y - 0 bounce trace unix - - y - 0 bounce verify unix - - y - 1 verify flush unix n - y 1000? 0 flush proxymap unix - - n - - proxymap proxywrite unix - - n - 1 proxymap smtp unix - - y - - smtp relay unix - - y - - smtp -o syslog_name=postfix/$service_name showq unix n - y - - showq error unix - - y - - error retry unix - - y - - error discard unix - - y - - discard local unix - n n - - local virtual unix - n n - - virtual lmtp unix - - y - - lmtp anvil unix - - y - 1 anvil scache unix - - y - 1 scache postlog unix-dgram n - n - 1 postlogd uucp unix - n n - - pipe flags=Fqhu user=uucp argv=uux -r -n -z -a$sender - $nexthop!rmail ($recipient) policyd-spf unix - n n - 0 spawn user=policyd-spf argv=/usr/bin/policyd-spf Thanks, billo

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How to fix: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP)
by Jigme Datse 02 Nov '24

02 Nov '24

This feels like something that I should have working. I know I've not been attending to things all that well, so the thing that has happened, that's got us from, "possibly doing nothing," to throwing this error is that I went to update my mail server, and in the update, Mailman3 stopped working entirely (it was a variety of things), but now it's launching, and will load the main web interface... but Going to any of the list pages, gives the above Error. Well, not exactly the above error, Django is in square brackets. OK, that will work better for me with the how to fix. How to fix, probably isn't quite what I'm looking for, it's how to diagnose. The error tells me that the IP address is 127.0.0.1 and that 127.0.0.1 is in the ALLOWED_HOSTS. I *mostly* see this coming from Google, but when I go and look at the webpage, I get: normal page at /mailman3/lists/ But my lists, all give me... Something went wrong HTTP error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} I've tried to figure out where to go from here, and right now I'm not making any progress, so I thought I'd ask here.

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redirecting -bounces replies
by Hirayama, Pat 02 Nov '24

02 Nov '24

Greetings, Is it possible to redirect the -bounces alias of a specific list so that it also goes to a person, in addition to the normal bounces processing for that list? In Mailman2, I know that I could do that by modifying the aliases table. I've been poking around in Mailman3, but haven't managed to figure out which container I need to be looking at. And rather than keep spinning, I figured that I'd ask the hive mind, since I'm sure one of you can quickly point me to the correct location. Thanks! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering - Infrastructure Fred Hutch Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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Do i need a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file?
by Bill Oliver 30 Oct '24

30 Oct '24

While trying to set up my new mailman installation in Ubuntu 22.04, which doesn't quite work yet, I decided to compare my config files with my Ubuntu 24.04 LTS installation, which does seem to work to the degree I've tested it. I noticed this little snippet in the settings.py file: # Set this to match the api_key setting in # /opt/mailman/mm/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg (quoted here, not there). MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'Secret_Hyperkitty_API_Key' Aha, I thought. I should have changed that. Then I noticed that I didn't even have a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file, and I can't find mention of it in the venv instructions. I *have* installed mailman- hyperkitty during the "pip install mailman-web mailman-hyperkitty" step. I did a "find" on /opt/mailman, and it doesn't seem the file is there at all. Do I need this file? I found a template here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/blob/master/mailman-hyperkitt… Do I need to copy and paste that in my installation? Thanks! billo

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Welcome message issue
by Mohsen Masoudfar 29 Oct '24

29 Oct '24

Good afternoon I have an issue with welcome message. A list owner is requesting to update the welcome message for only one of their lists. They are requesting to change the default text and insert additional URLs pointing to sites related to their list. I know there is a URI field that you may include a web page. But this doesn't work and gets ignored. - is there a mailman cli option to update the default template for a single list? I couldn't find it in WUI. I reviewed all parameters and variables of the list and couldn't find one that might be related to it. We are running an old version of Mailman 3. Thanks Mohsen

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New installation, new issue: mailman3 migrate -- no module CommonMark
by Bill Oliver 27 Oct '24

27 Oct '24

My Ubuntu 24.04 installation is working great, and I have a list running perfectly. I'm now trying to install mailman3 on an older server, this time runing ubuntu 22.04. I'm following the venv installation instructions again, but suddenly came up with a new error. I've made it to the "Run database migrations" section I run mailmanweb-migrate and get: (venv) mailman@mail:~$ mailman-web migrate Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 128, in get_package_libraries module = import_module(entry[1]) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1050, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1027, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 688, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 883, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 241, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/postorius/templatetags/markdown.py", line 21, in <module> from readme_renderer import markdown as md_render File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/readme_renderer/markdown.py", line 16, in <module> from CommonMark import commonmark ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'CommonMark' The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 87, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 442, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 436, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 412, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 458, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 106, in wrapper res = handle_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/commands/migrate.py", line 100, in handle self.check(databases=[database]) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 485, in check all_issues = checks.run_checks( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/checks/registry.py", line 88, in run_checks new_errors = check(app_configs=app_configs, databases=databases) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/checks/templates.py", line 60, in check_for_template_tags_with_the_same_name for module_name, module_path in get_template_tag_modules(): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 105, in get_template_tag_modules for name in get_package_libraries(pkg): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 130, in get_package_libraries raise InvalidTemplateLibrary( django.template.library.InvalidTemplateLibrary: Invalid template library specified. ImportError raised when trying to load 'postorius.templatetags.markdown': No mod ule named 'CommonMark' I know nothing about CommonMark. Since I've suffered the error cascade problem of trying to fix things and just making it worse, I stopped here. Can I ignore this error, or what can I do to fix it? Thanks! billo

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501 Message has defects
by jgn1980＠gmail.com 25 Oct '24

25 Oct '24

Hi I'm using GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) on debian 12, and I have this issue on a scheduled e-mail, every day: 2024-10-25T04:00:04.874081+01:00 XXXXXXX postfix/lmtp[29258]: CEB32100F44: to=<XXX(a)XXX.XX>, relay=localhost[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0/0.01/0.01, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host localhost[127.0.0.1] said: 501 Message has defects (in reply to end of DATA command)) I have already changed some settings on the postfix and list configurations, without success. Outlook 365 and gmail receive the email without issues. Does anyone have any idea of how I can fix this? Thanks,

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Timeout error on anonymous subscribe
by vogt＠spamcop.net 25 Oct '24

25 Oct '24

Hi, I am running a mailman 3.3.9 server (pip installation). It's working fine so far. However, I have problems setting a template. I set a '[list:user:action:subscribe]' template for a list with some simple text like "test1234". When someone wants to subscribe on the list page without creating an account, it takes five seconds until "HTTPSConnectionPool(host='lists.example.org', port=443): Read timed out. (read timeout=5)" appears on the page. The mail address has been added pending confirmation but no mail gets send. mailman.log shows just exceptions about the timeout itself: Sep 09 15:01:45 2024 (2070549) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 536, in _make_request response = conn.getresponse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ... requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='lists.dkrz.de', port=443): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) [09/Sep/2024:15:01:45 +0200] "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 400 132 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" The access log suggests that getting the template took 5s: ==> /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/access.log <== 127.0.0.1 - - [09/Sep/2024:13:01:45 +0000] "GET /mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.org/list:user:action:subscribe HTTP/1.1" 200 8 "-" "python-requests/2.32.3" Running curl on that url returns immediately $ curl -v 'http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.o…' I have captured the network traffic on localhost interface lo and I can see that the request is sent through the tcp connection and acknowledged. Then 5 seconds later the server (port 8000) sends a push data with the response and closes the connection with FIN. The data exchanged on the connection looks like this: GET /mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.org/list:user:action:subscribe HTTP/1.1 Host: lists.example.org User-Agent: python-requests/2.32.3 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate Accept: */* X-Forwarded-Proto: https X-Forwarded-For: 2001:638:1234:1224::111 X-Forwarded-Host: lists.example.org X-Forwarded-Server: lists.example.org Connection: Keep-Alive HTTP/1.1 200 OK Server: gunicorn Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2024 13:01:45 GMT Connection: close Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff Referrer-Policy: same-origin Cross-Origin-Opener-Policy: same-origin X-Frame-Options: DENY Vary: Accept-Language, Cookie Content-Language: en Content-Length: 8 test1234 The timestamp 13:01:45 is the time of the timeout. The request started five seconds before that. It looks to me as if the connection/keepalive handling is not working properly or the server isn't pushing the response immediately, but it gets buffered until the 5s timeout. Occassionally, I have capture a requests, where the client side would send a FIN to the server and only then the server would send the http response with the final packets. Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this? Thanks, Gerald

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User account issue after importing data from Mailman 2.x server
by dgoldsmith＠sans.org 24 Oct '24

24 Oct '24

We finally migrated from Mailman 2.x to a Mailman 3.x several months ago. We have had some issues with people who are active list members not being able to login with their user creds and when trying to use the 'Forgot Password' link to reset, being told their user account does not exist. They can submit email to the list and get copied on other list traffic. I just started looking at a user and a list in both the Postorius and Django admin web UIs and found: - in Postorius: - list exists, has 20K plus subscribed members and has 3 list owners - user exists and is subscribed to this list - in Django: - in HyperKitty section - in the Mailing lists page, the list exists, no idea about members BUT it has 147 owners (also the same 147 moderators) - in the Emails page, there are 149K plus entries - in the Profiles page, there are 147 entries - in the Accounts->Email addresses page, there are only 155 entries - in the AUTHENTICATION AND AUTHORIZATION->Users page, there are 147 entries Should Mailman 3.x have created user accounts for everyone when importing the data from the old server? To correct the issue on a case by case basis, can I as a server admin do something via the web UI or CLI or do we need to remove the email address from the list and ask the person to create a new account using that address and to resubscribe to the specific list or other? Thanks, David Goldsmith

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Logging subscribes/unsubscribes
by Brian Carpenter 22 Oct '24

22 Oct '24

Does Mailman 3 log subscribes and unsubscribes for each list the way Mailman 2 did? Brian

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Add domain to Mailman, can't create list with that new domain
by Andy Matthews 22 Oct '24

22 Oct '24

I'm testing locally to try and support additional domains. I can add new mailing lists with a domain: announce-123(a)mydomain.com I can't add a new mailing list with an alternate domain: announce-123(a)testing.com Following the documentation for domains I'm able to successfully add the new domain (locally) with the following steps: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… 1. Shell into the mailman server 2. Shell into the mailman Python environment: mailman shell 3. Add a new mailing list. from mailman.interfaces.domain import IDomainManager from zope.component import getUtility manager = getUtility(IDomainManager) manager.add('testing.com') show_domains() # with method from the above documentation URL <Domain testing.com> <Domain mydomain.com> But then when I run a cURL command (from the mailman server) to add a list with that new domain I get an error: $ curl -k -u restadmin:restpass -X POST -H "Content-Type: application/json" --data '{"fqdn_listname": "new-list(a)testing.com"}' https://0.0.0.0:8001/3.1/lists {"title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Domain does not exist: testing.com"} Am I doing something wrong, or missing a step? If not, how do I add support for additional domains such that I can provide mailing list support for that domain?

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OK, so I backed out completely and re-installed. Here's my *original* error. Should I modify virtual mailbox maps?
by Bill Oliver 19 Oct '24

19 Oct '24

OK, I think I was clearly in the phase of dealing with errors caused by my attempts to deal with previous errors. So I backed out and did a clean install. Again, the installl seemed to go without a problem. Then: 1) I set up a mailinglist (tradfp(a)forensicpath.us) for "old school" forensic pathologists to discuss cases. 2) I added a couple of users: oliver(a)billoblog.com on the same box as the mailinglist, though on different virtual domains, and william.oliver(a)knoxcounty.org, a local government domain not associated with my box. Results: The welcome message did not get delivered to either address. When I send email from those addresses to tradfp(a)forensicpath.us, I get the following error from both: Your message couldn't be delivered The message you sent to tradfp(a)forensicpath.us couldn't be delivered due to: Recipient email address is possibly incorrect. Further information 5.1.1 <tradfp(a)forensicpath.us>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table If you sent this message to multiple addresses, you'll receive a notification like this for every one that didn't arrive. That is when I started going down the dovecot rabbit hole. Here's the (what I think is relevant) part of the mail.cf file: virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.c f virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail virtual_minimum_uid = 900 virtual_uid_maps = static:900 virtual_gid_maps = static:900 transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains In my previous attempt, I added hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp to both virtual_mailbox_maps and virtual_alias_maps, but I haven't done that yet here. I thought I'd ask and make sure I should. Should that be my next step? Thanks, billo

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Debug=False breaks Django/MM3-Login-page
by Stefan Bauer 18 Oct '24

18 Oct '24

Hi folks, I'm trying to hide the custom 404 error messages from Django. ------------------------- Page not found (404) Request Method: GET Request URL: http://......./non-existent-2008020390 Using the URLconf defined in mailman_web.urls, Django tried these URL patterns, in this order: mailman3/ archives/ ^user-profile/delete$ [name='mm_user_account_delete'] ^user-profile/$ [name='mm_user_profile'] accounts/ admin/ postorius/ hyperkitty/ The current path, non-existent-2008020390, didn’t match any of these. You’re seeing this error because you have DEBUG = True in your Django settings file. Change that to False, and Django will display a standard 404 page. ----------------------------- Switching DEBUG=True (currently set in settings.py) to false does indeed hide additional debugging output, but following pages are not accessible anymore (Server Error). user-profile/ accounts/logout/ hyperkitty/ Switching back to DEBUG=True brings back accessibility. This is Mailman Core-Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API-Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python-Version 3.10.12 (main, Sep 11 2024, 15:47:36) [GCC 11.4.0] any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you. Stefan

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adding personalized email header/content in mailman 3
by Alex I 17 Oct '24

17 Oct '24

adding personalized email header/content Hello, I'm upgrading from mailman 2.1 and need to have personalized email header and content. In 2.1 eventually (couldn't get custom handler work) I had to modify Decorate.py handler. Basically encrypting email and passing it as a parameter in google required One-click unsubscribe email header link (same in the message body). I tried creating a custom Handler (custom_header.py) in 3.3.19, adding outgoing_pipeline = custom_header in config [mta] section but it doesn't seem to be activating. Thanks

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Verification emails 'helo' rejected
by Greg Newby 16 Oct '24

16 Oct '24

Hi friends. I'm now getting a 500 server error upon signing up a new username on the web-based front end. The username is created in the back end, but the verification email does not get sent. This is GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer), venv, Ubuntu 24.04LTS, PostgreSQL, Postfix Here are the corresponding logfile entries from mailmanweb.log: smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused: {'redacted(a)gmail.com': (504, b'5.5.2 <mail>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname')} and from mail.log: Oct 14 12:06:26 domain postfix/smtpd[722764]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from localhost[127.0.0.1]: 504 5.5.2 <mail>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; from=<root(a)lists.domain.tld> to=<root@localhost> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail> lists.domain.tld is the domain for Mailman3. I don't know why it's trying to send email from root@. I've seen places where 'localhost' appears in the Mailman settings (settings.py, mailman.cfg, mailman-web.py), and tried changing them to the host's FQDN and restarting mailman3 and mailman3-web, but the problem persists. Suggestions will be appreciated. ~ Greg

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mailmanweb/django?: too many postgresql DB connections
by api＠egartech.com 16 Oct '24

16 Oct '24

Hello, I'm migrating from mailman 2.1 to the latest version (3.3.9) on Almalinux 9 (python 3.19, postgresql 13.16). Have followed the instructions here https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-install to perform a clean install on a new VM. Everything seems to be working (well, I just created one list and doing some basic tests). What I have noticed is hundreds of PGsql connections from mailmanweb. Once mailmanweb service is started there are new non-stop DB connections requests (from Django I guess), here is just 1 second from PGsql log: 2024-10-10 12:15:37.112 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3747 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.113 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3746) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.318 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3748 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.318 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3747) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.523 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3749 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.524 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3748) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.728 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3750 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.729 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3749) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.934 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3751 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.935 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3750) exited with exit code 0 Few minutes later there are around 300 dead (TIME_WAIT) connections to port 5432 like these: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:33728 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40392 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:50860 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40254 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40218 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40110 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT I'm totally unfamiliar with Django so not sure where even to look, but that doesn't looks right to me. Thanks

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Database permission problem?
by Bill Oliver 16 Oct '24

16 Oct '24

I have mailman3 installed and mostly configured on a linux machine running ubuntu 24.04. I can use mailmanweb to add and delete mailinglists and users. However, mail is not getting delivered at all. I have both mysql and postgres installed -- I'm using postgres only for mailman, and mysql for dovecot and postfix. Mail, in general, works fine. I'm hosting four virtual domains on this box, and mail to and from all of them to many users gives me no errors. When I add a new user (and thus try to send a welcome message) mail.err log gives me: 2024-10-15T12:40:11.193687-04:00 mail postfix/virtual[960838]: error: open database /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp.db: Permission denied I've tried playing with file permissions. I put postfix,mail, and vmail in the mailman group, and tried giving ownership of postfix_domains, postfix_lmtp, and postfix_vmap to user postfix, but that changed nothing. Currently, it sits at: root:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data# ls -l total 36 -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 0 Oct 15 12:53 postfic_vmap.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 postfic_vmap.db.db -rw-rw---- 1 postfix mailman 353 Oct 13 07:54 postfix_domains -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 0 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_domains.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_domains.db.db -rw-rw---- 1 postfix mailman 1155 Oct 13 07:54 postfix_lmtp -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 0 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_lmtp.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_lmtp.db.db -rw-rw---- 1 postfix mailman 1118 Oct 13 07:54 postfix_vmap So, I'm assuming this is a database permissions error, but I don't know how to fix it. As an aside, my main.cf is below. Any help would be appreciated. billo %cat main.cf smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no # appending .domain is the MUA's job. append_dot_mydomain = no # Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings #delay_warning_time = 4h readme_directory = no # See http://www.postfix.org/COMPATIBILITY_README.html -- default to 3.6 on # fresh installs. compatibility_level = 3.6 #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix receives incoming emails smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.forensicpath.us/fullchai n.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.forensicpath.us/privkey.p em smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_security_level=may smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix sends outgoing emails smtp_tls_CApath=/etc/ssl/certs smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination myhostname = mail.forensicpath.us alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = /etc/mailname mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost relayhost = mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 mailbox_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = ipv4 #Enforce TLSv1.3 or TLSv1.2 smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp smtputf8_enable = no virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_mailbox_maps.cf #added 20241009 for mailman hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp ${dovecot} virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.c f #added 20241009 for mailman hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail virtual_minimum_uid = 900 virtual_uid_maps = static:900 virtual_gid_maps = static:900 policyd-spf_time_limit = 3600 smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, defer_unauth_destination, check_policy_service unix:private/policyd-spf # Milter configuration milter_default_action = accept milter_protocol = 6 smtpd_milters = local:opendkim/opendkim.sock non_smtpd_milters = $smtpd_milters #Mailman transport stuff transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp ${dovecot} relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains

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max_day_to_hold - when in force?
by Wikinaut 15 Oct '24

15 Oct '24

There are quite few discussions (back to 2020) dealing with the variable max_day_to_hold and the (non-) handling of the set value, I found for example Marc's comment https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… : I'm really not sure what you are looking to do, but I can tell you that while the max_days_to_hold list attribute exists and can be set, the actual discarding of held messages older than max_days_to_hold is not implemented. Thus the setting currently does nothing. My question: Are there any plans to bring this into action, so that held messages are really discarded after that number of days? (like it was in mailman2)?

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're' problem is sending messages to queue/shunt for an entire domain
by Greg Newby 15 Oct '24

15 Oct '24

Hi friends. I have multiple domains under MM3 (venv, postfix+postgres, Ubuntu 24.04LTS). Currently at version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer). Following some user complaints, I've discovered that one of the domains isn't working at all. Messages arrive via postfix and are in the MM smtp.log, but then generate a Python error in mailman.log. Other domains are working as usual. The lists in this domain used to work (I can see messages in the archives, and have received copies). But I imported a bunch more MM2 lists since then, and perhaps there is a problem with one of their configurations. Pointers to how to fix this will be appreciated! Here is the error from ~mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log: ==> mailman.log <== Oct 13 23:27:34 2024 (365022) Uncaught runner exception: multiple repeat at position 11 Oct 13 23:27:34 2024 (365022) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 272, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/runners/incoming.py", line 80, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, start_chain) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/chains.py", line 57, in process if link.rule.check(mlist, msg, msgdata): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/rules/banned_address.py", line 40, in check if ban_manager.is_banned(sender): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/bans.py", line 103, in is_banned re.match(ban.email, email, re.IGNORECASE) is not None): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/__init__.py", line 167, in match return _compile(pattern, flags).match(string) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/__init__.py", line 307, in _compile p = _compiler.compile(pattern, flags) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_compiler.py", line 745, in compile p = _parser.parse(p, flags) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 979, in parse p = _parse_sub(source, state, flags & SRE_FLAG_VERBOSE, 0) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 460, in _parse_sub itemsappend(_parse(source, state, verbose, nested + 1, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 690, in _parse raise source.error("multiple repeat", re.error: multiple repeat at position 11 Followed by a message that it's going to queue/shunt: Oct 13 23:15:25 2024 (365022) SHUNTING: 1728886525.4656847+d1a03bf710a246d029a087eabd40bed11c1af4b5 ... where it stays. Delivery never happens. I've tried with listname(a)lists.domain.tld as well as listname-owner(a)lists.domain.tld. The lists in the domain seem to be set up properly -- they used to work fine! I am suspicious the problem happened when I imported some other lists, but those imports didn't cause any errors. I've done the usual sequence of restarting mailman services, rebooting the server, double-checking the configuration files, and reviewing the list settings. Thanks for your help! ~ Greg

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Search function returning results from another list
by Marco van Tol 15 Oct '24

15 Oct '24

Hi there, We have several lists on our list server here, and noticed that if we do this: - go to the archive of public list x - type in "minutes" in the search bar If will: - show a screen: list-x search results for query "minutes" - have 3 results in there for another private list - show a message that you need to login to view the message if you click on one Our current mailman core version is: 3.3.9 Our current hyperkitty version is: 1.3.10 Our index engine is: xapian_backend.XapianEngine Does this make sense? Thanks! Marco van Tol RIPE NCC

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Recently redeployed mailman3 and then received huge amount of subscription disabled notification emails
by francesd919＠gmail.com 12 Oct '24

12 Oct '24

Hi everyone, I recently redeployed our mailman3 server. As the owner for one of our mailing lists, I received a huge amount of subscription disabled notification emails. These emails mentioned that the subscription was disabled due to bounce score. Furthermore, we received a few emails from our subscribers saying that they have functioning email addresses and not sure why there were bounces and that their subsctiptions had been disabed. I have some questions: 1. Why do mailman mass send out subscription disabled notification emails to admins after it's been redeployed? 2. I have "Bounce disable warnings" set to 3 and "Bounce disabled warnings interval" set to 7d. How come there are still so many emails seem to be disabled but not unsubscribed? Hence we receiving so many subscription disabled notification emails. 3. What could have cuased functioning emails to bounce and therefore being disabled? Thank you in advance! Frances 3.

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mailman changeaddress: Address already exists; can't change
by joelbrownstein＠computer.org 12 Oct '24

12 Oct '24

Hi, We migrated ~100 lists from mailman2 to mailman3 (very nice!) including > 6000 distinct email addresses ("subscribers"). I would like to run the mailman changeaddress command to do a global change of email for a member that moved. But they have other subscriptions using their new email, so both the old and new address are migrated to mailman3 as distinct "members", which prevents the mailman changeaddress from making the change with error: $ mailman changeaddress "EMAIL_1" "EMAIL_2" Usage: mailman changeaddress [OPTIONS] OLD_ADDRESS NEW_ADDRESS Try 'mailman changeaddress -h' for help. Error: Address "EMAIL_2" already exists; can't change. Is there a workaround? Thanks, Joel

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MM3 error on moderation request
by Odhiambo Washington 11 Oct '24

11 Oct '24

MM3 - 3.3.10, Postorius 1.3.13. After receiving the notification to attend to a moderation request: ``` At your convenience, visit https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mm/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/hel… to approve or deny the request(s). ``` Upon visiting the link I ended up with a server error. mailmanweb.log has the below to say: ``` [ERROR] [2024-10-10 12:29:15,905] [log] 809040 139858772735552 Internal Server Error: /mm/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/held_messages Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 1026, in find_library return parser.libraries[name] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^ KeyError: 'humanize' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 23, in _wrapper_view return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 63, in wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 889, in list_moderation return render(request, 'postorius/lists/held_messages.html', context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 24, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 61, in render_to_string template = get_template(template_name, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 15, in get_template return engine.get_template(template_name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 33, in get_template return Template(self.engine.get_template(template_name), self) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/engine.py", line 175, in get_template template, origin = self.find_template(template_name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/engine.py", line 157, in find_template template = loader.get_template(name, skip=skip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loaders/cached.py", line 57, in get_template template = super().get_template(template_name, skip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loaders/base.py", line 28, in get_template return Template( ^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 154, in __init__ self.nodelist = self.compile_nodelist() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 200, in compile_nodelist return parser.parse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 513, in parse raise self.error(token, e) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 511, in parse compiled_result = compile_func(self, token) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 293, in do_extends nodelist = parser.parse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 513, in parse raise self.error(token, e) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 511, in parse compiled_result = compile_func(self, token) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 1088, in load lib = find_library(parser, name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 1028, in find_library raise TemplateSyntaxError( django.template.exceptions.TemplateSyntaxError: 'humanize' is not a registered tag library. Must be one of: account admin_list admin_modify admin_urls allauth bootstrap_tags cache compress d_gravatar date_helpers debugger_tags decorate gravatar highlight highlighting hk_generic hk_haystack i18n indent_text l10n log markdown membership_helpers more_like_this nav_helpers p_gravatar pagination postorius_helpers rest_framework socialaccount static syntax_color tz widont [WARNING] [2024-10-10 12:29:16,384] [log] 809040 139858704070336 Not Found: /mc/compose ``` How to fix? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Two trivial questons:
by Bill Oliver 10 Oct '24

10 Oct '24

First: Last night I got everything installed and, I think, working. Unfortunately, I forgot to write down the name and password of the superuser I created. I know what I put in as password, but I cant' remamber the name of the superuser. I know I could just create another superuser with "mailmanweb createsuperuser" but I was wondering if there was a "mailmanweb" command for *listing* superusers. If not, I'll just make another superuser... Second: I have the "example.com" error in the login screen. The instructions state that this is a problem with making SITE_ID=1. Okay, but I don't know what to change it to. I tried SITE_ID=2 on a lark and everything broke, and the instruction say not to do SITE_ID=0. Apparently it has to be an integer (I also tried putting in site name and got that error). So... where do I change it? Thanks! billo

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Congrats on the instructions for installation on ubuntu, what about migration?
by Bill Oliver 09 Oct '24

09 Oct '24

So I went ahead and tried to install mailman3 on ubuntu 24.04 using the virtual environment approach. It worked like a charm. There were a very few glitches, all from me not reading the instructions closely (e.g. not replacing MY_SERVER with my server name, Doh). The whole thing, from start to finish was about two hours. I appreciate all y'alls efforts in this. The reason I'm doing this is that I'm having to migrate from a server that's going to be defunct soon. I've been running a mailman3 mailing list on that for a few years. Is there a tutorial/instructions on migrating data from an old system to a new one? It's actually not the end of the world if I don't get all the old emails transferred, but I'd like to get the email addresses of the participants moved over easily... I believe that I set it up in 2020, but did not do any version upgrades since then... Thanks! billo

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Upgrade docker-mailman to v0.5.2
by Christopher 08 Oct '24

08 Oct '24

Hi Abhilash, I checkout the v0.5.2 for testing my upgrade from 0.4.6 and noticed, that the docker-image-version is still set to 0.4 in docker-compose.yaml. Is there any reason for it or should it be set to 0.5? I´m still using my good old mariadb. I did not find any upgrade-informations about breaking-changes. Do you have any experience with migrating from 0.4.6 to 0.5.2 on mariadb? Best regards Chrclaus

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anomalous behavior
by donato＠molino.it 05 Oct '24

05 Oct '24

Hi, I installed mailman-full on debian 12. Everything works perfectly except for the fact that for a single ML the messages are not delivered to the recipients. I have three MLs: 1) example(a)example.com 2) test(a)example.com 3) hello(a)example.com For the n. 2 and 3 are fine, but 1 doesn't deliver. The configurations are identical for all 3: smtp.log:Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 37912) Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) handling connection Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'LHLO list.example.com' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'MAIL FROM:<subscriber(a)domain.tld> SIZE=7873 BODY=7BIT' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) sender: subscriber(a)domain.tld Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'RCPT TO:<example(a)list.example.com>' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) recip: example(a)list.example.com Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'DATA' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'QUIT' I also enabled all debugging in mailman.cfg. But everything is fine Thanks Donato

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Should I try to install mailman3 on Kubuntu 20.04?
by Bill Oliver 05 Oct '24

05 Oct '24

I have been a happy camper running mailman3 on a vps I rent from a vendor, running CentOS 7. CentOS 7 is past end of life, so I moving over to a new machine running Kubuntu 20.04 LTS. I have been searching the intertubes and have seen a bunch of people having headaches trying it. So... Is Ubuntu 20.04 cool with mailman3? Should I go ahead and give it a shot or use a different distro? Should I do the apt install, the virtualenv install, or try the docker install? thanks billo

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reset bounce-scores?
by IEM Network Operation Center (IOhannes m zmölnig) 04 Oct '24

04 Oct '24

i'm running a mailman-3.3.8 instance, and would like to reset the bounce-score for a (number of) user(s). i searched the internet and this list's archives, but haven't found anything useful so far. due to a misconfiguration of our universities reverse DNS lookup, the bounce score of some users has rocketed in the last days - some users have already been unsubscribed because of that. could anybody please share how i can reset the bounce score? gfmasdr IOhannes ___________________________________________ Die Inhaltsfilterung von Mailman hat die folgenden MIME-Teile aus dieser Nachricht entfernt. Content-Type: application/pgp-keys Name: OpenPGP_0xB65019C47F7A36F8.asc

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makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade
by Chupin Maxime 03 Oct '24

03 Oct '24

Hi, I upgraded my debian version, and since, it seems that I have a problem. I tried `mailman-web migrate` (and `mailman-web collectstatic` etc.) and I get the error message: ``` CommandError: Conflicting migrations detected; multiple leaf nodes in the migration graph: (0010_auto_20220618_2315, 0014_schedule_cluster in django_q; 0014_auto_20220618_2315, 0018_alter_emailtemplate_language in postorius). To fix them run 'python manage.py makemigrations --merge' ``` So I tried `mailman-web makemigrations --merge` that ended with ``` PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/migrations/0019_merge_20240930_1159.py' ``` There is no such a file in the migration directory. Any idea ? Thanks in advance, All the best Maxime Chupin

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Confusing order of checkboxes in Postorius
by Markus Grandpré 02 Oct '24

02 Oct '24

Dear list, dear Mailman3 developers, dear Mark Sapiro, in Postorius under "Mass operations / Mass subscribe" we find the order of the checkboxes confusing: 1. Pre confirm 2. Pre approved 3. Pre Verified 4. Invitation We think it would be easier for us and our mailing list administrators to understand the interaction of these settings if they were displayed in the following order: 1. Pre confirm 2. Pre Verified 3. Pre approved 4. Invitation as in our opinion "Pre confirm" and "Pre Verified" belong together more than "Pre confirm" and "Pre approved". Incidentally, a typing error has crept into the term "Pre Verified". It should read "Pre verified". Yours sincerely, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Mailman Core release
by Abhilash Raj 02 Oct '24

02 Oct '24

Hey Everyone! I am pleased to announce new release of Mailman Core 3.3.10. This includes both bug fixes and new features. A full list of changes can be found at the usual location[1]. This release includes a Breaking change and nntp runner no longer starts automatically in the default release. You can easily enable the runner by updating your `mailman.cfg`. See the release notes[1] for details on how. This release can be downloaded from PyPI[2] or using `pip install mailman==3.3.10`. For those interested in package signatures, both the source tarball and built wheel are available in Gitlab releases[3] along with their signatures. [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [2]: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/ [3]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/releases/v3.3.10 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Default values for lists in Mailman 3
by Markus Grandpré 30 Sep '24

30 Sep '24

Dear list, I would like to activate the invitation setting for all lists as default. In Mailman 2.1 I have done this in the file </etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py>: DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes How can I do this in Mailman 3? Can I also transfer other default values like: ... DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2 DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 ... from the very same configuration file to Mailman 3? Is there a documentation of the default values for lists in Mailman 3? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Clearing webserver cache - Nginx
by Odhiambo Washington 29 Sep '24

29 Sep '24

I am having an ugly-looking https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/ page because of cached content: ``` 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 694#694: *9562 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.6dab123e4897.css" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 172.70.111.39, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/css/output.6dab123e4897.css HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 694#694: *9564 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.158acc288604.css" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 162.158.159.31, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/css/output.158acc288604.css HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 705#705: *9566 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/js/output.3aaa7705d68a.js" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 162.158.63.166, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/js/output.3aaa7705d68a.js HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" ``` That IP address appearing there is not my actual IP, but Cloudflare's, which is acting as proxy for the site. Having cleared MM3-web cache, is there anything else I can easily do (apart from disabling CF proxying) to help deal with the above issue? Or am I barking the wrong tree? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Migrating archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3
by Markus Grandpré 28 Sep '24

28 Sep '24

Dear List, I have a question about migrating archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3: Is it possible to migrate only the archive of a list, but not the list? Best regards, Markus -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Help Setting Up Mailman 3 on an Ubuntu Server
by smith.ja1ck＠gmail.com 26 Sep '24

26 Sep '24

Hello All Community Member, I am in the process of setting up Mailman 3 on an Ubuntu 22.04 server & have faced some challenges during the configuration phase. Also I have followed the installation guide & while Mailman Core and Postorius seem to be working I am struggling to configure the Mailman web interface correctly with NGINX. Also I have tried a few different configurations for the reverse proxy but I m running into 502 Bad Gateway errors. Does anyone have experience setting up Mailman 3 with NGINX who might be able to offer some guidance? ?I am interested in seeing a working configuration file for NGINX and any tips on troubleshooting Mailman 3 issues during this phase. As well, I found these resources when doing research on this; https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… https://redacted If anyone have any resources, tutorials or personal experiences please share with me, It would be greatly appreciated!!

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Managing users in postorius
by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis 25 Sep '24

25 Sep '24

In our environment, people have multiple email addresses, any/all of which might be used as members or admin addresses. I try to steer people in the right direction, but inevitably, we end up with people registering the ‘wrong’ address or even both addresses. I don’t seem to have very much control with the site admin account. I’d like the ability to add a secondary address for a user instead of talking them through the process of doing it themselves. Is there a way that I’m not aware of? Additionally, when I look up users and choose ‘manage’, it only lists a person’s member roles. It doesn’t list any other roles (owner/admin, moderator, etc). Any way to fix that? I’m also curious what the process would be for merging two postorius accounts into one? My thought process was that I should remove one and then have the user add that email address to the other account. But, if you delete the account, it will unsubscribe the user. Thank you Tom Lieuallen Oregon State University

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Mailman3 migration and/or archiving problem
by hnpilot＠phnet.fi 25 Sep '24

25 Sep '24

I have installed a mailman3 server following this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… After a few hiccups I got mailman and postorius working and migrated one list according to this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html It seemed to work and also hyperkitty_import was run without errors (or at least none shown up). Running update_index command said that there were 0 threads copied but I kjnow that the archive isn't empty. But now when I tried to open the list info page from lists view it dies with 500 error. After diving into the different log files I found an error message that it cannot find /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg. Great. Only that the cfg file exists and seems to my (unexpert) eyes correct. After that problem I tried to create a new list. Creation seemed to go all right but also with it, trying to open the list info page it shows 500 error. When googling for a solution I landed on a message stating that there might be double entries for the same list in listarchiver table but when I checked ot turns out that the table is empty! I am a bit confused how to figure out the base cause of the problem and would very much appreciate any pointers. wbr hank

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Can we let member moderation settings be considered after the header filters let the message through?
by Marco van Tol 24 Sep '24

24 Sep '24

Hi there, We're trying to set up a list with a header filter to discard spam messages. The spam messages are tagged with a specific header before getting handed over to mailman3. Messages from non-members are correctly discarded by the header filter before hitting the moderation queue. But messages from members get moderated before getting discarded by the header filters. For this particular list we also moderate the members of the list. The default action for members is set to "hold for moderation". We would like to also discard spam messages from members before they become moderated. The X-Mailman-Rule-* headers on spam messages from members in the moderation queue look like this: ---- X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: member-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address ---- Is there any way we can discard spam messages from members before they become moderated? Thanks so much in advance! Marco van Tol RIPE NCC

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Feedback mailman 3.3.10b1
by Andreas Schneider 24 Sep '24

24 Sep '24

Hi, I've packaged 3.3.10b1 for openSUSE [1] and installed it on my server. It works fine for me, I don't see any issues. Best regards Andreas [1] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:gladiac:mailman/python-mailman -- Andreas Schneider asn(a)cryptomilk.org GPG-ID: 8DFF53E18F2ABC8D8F3C92237EE0FC4DCC014E3D

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Read mailing list config via CLI
by Andy Matthews 24 Sep '24

24 Sep '24

I'm working on a feature to allow configuration of mailing lists using the REST API. The docs show how to do this: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… But I'd like to be able to verify settings using the mailman command or Python shell; and surprisingly I can't find where in the docs it shows how you can read settings on a per-list basis. I'm fine with either option, but I've spent about an hour digging through source code and docs and I'm not finding it. Would someonebe so kind as to point out how I can inspect configuration on a list by list basis? TIA.

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New Mailman web package releases
by Abhilash Raj 21 Sep '24

21 Sep '24

Hello Everyone, I have just released Postorius 1.3.13 and Hyperkitty 1.3.12. These can be downloaded from PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/HyperKitty/1.3.12/ https://pypi.org/project/postorius/1.3.13 Note that due to some mistakes on my part, last 2 releases for Postorius & Hyperkitty were yanked since their builds uploaded to PyPI weren't correct due to some mis-configurations migrating from setuptools to pyproject.toml (with pdm) based package configuration. So, when updating from last installed versions, please look at the changelogs from older versions too for both these packages. Their changelogs are available in the usual places: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html Since PyPI doesn't accept signatures anymore, I have uploaded packages and their signatures to Gitlab releases in their respective repositories too. A note for people using my signature for verification: I had to extend my gpg key's validity, so you'll need to refresh my public keys to validate the signature this time. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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MM3 Bounces status
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook 21 Sep '24

21 Sep '24

Hi, I have some lists which are used primarily as a distribution method (rather than chat) and the person who uses these lists doesn't have access to the detailed MM logs and is not interested in that. It would be very helpful for message bounces (& any other anomalous events, if any) were to be available to that person for each message that is sent out, in a manner similar to mailgun et al. I know something of the bounce processing MM3 does, but it seems to be totally hidden from e.g. the postorius end of things (unless I'm missing something?). Is there a way for bounce events to be emailed to the list owner, or for something to be available in postorius to show this info? If not in the standard package, do other people have ad-hoc solutions to this issue? My ideal option would be for a configurable per-message email or postorius link that reports the number of emails to send (=number in mlist), the number on 'no-mail', the number sent successfully (=no bounce?), the emails of those who bounced (with bounce score), and emails of blocked sends (eg by multiple bounces). So for example: Bounce report for listname: Email Subject: Announcement Sent: today at time From Email: user(a)example.com received (today at time) To List: listname(a)example.com with 100 subscribers; 89 successful; 4 bounces; 3 blocks; 4 nomail; Bounces: - foo(a)bar.example.com (no mailbox) - bar23(a)foo.example.com (timeout) - alice(a)baz.example.org (mailbox full) - bob(a)example.net (bounce-reason) Blocked: - foo(a)bob.example.com (score 3) - bar23(a)alice.example.com (admin ban) - alice(a)alice.example.org (score 2) I suspect that my ideal option would require changes to the internal processing, because MM would need to keep more information about bounces than I think it currently does. It might also need to retain more information about LMTP delivery statuses? Thanks in hope? Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog:http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn:http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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CSV import for mass subscription
by Markus Grandpré 20 Sep '24

20 Sep '24

Dear list, we noticed that there is a function to convert the member list into a CSV format and save it.Therefore, we would like to know if the implementation of a CVS import for mass subscription is already planned? If not, how can we submit a corresponding feature request? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Questions regarding message acceptance
by Pawel Grzywaczewski 19 Sep '24

19 Sep '24

Hello, I have few questions regarding usage of Mailman3: 1) We have list1 and list2 with members. Can we specify that all members of list1 can post messages to list2? We could potentially write a script that would synchronize members of another list to “Accept these non-members” of another list, but with thousands of lists it will be difficult to maintain lists in synchro. So perhaps there is a concept of adding another list to “Accept these non-members” and mailman real-time evaluate membership of another list upon message arrival? 2) In explanation of “Accept these non-members” it’s written: “While non-regexp addresses can be entered here, it is preferred to add the address as a nonmember and set the nonmember's Moderation to Default Processing”. I noticed that if someone posts to a list then he is added automatically to non-members. Which means that next time he will be able to post. My understanding is that it’s better to use the feature “Accept these non-members”. Am I correct? Thank you, Paweł

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Configure new list via REST API - trying to add moderators
by Andy Matthews 19 Sep '24

19 Sep '24

I'm stepping into some existing code which creates a new list via the REST API. I know this works because I can shell into the mailman3 box and run `mailman lists` and it shows the newly created list. We're also submitting list config options via the `/lists/<list id>/config` endpoint, but there's a specific key that we have in our config map that doesn't appear in the REST API docs and I'm wondering about it. We have an array of strings called `moderator` that appears to send successfully. But looking at the docs for "Mailing list configuration" (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) I don't see anything named `moderator` The "Managing owners and moderators" docs (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…) indicate that we can perform add owners and moderators via a Python shell, but don't indicate that it's possible to do it via REST. Is this true?

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Phantom Email Address in Nonmember List
by Steve Brown 18 Sep '24

18 Sep '24

Have an issue that is more of a puzzle than a problem. No real harm done. So don't spend much time on it if you don't recognize the issue. I am administrator for a small list, radg(a)lists.radg.us, hosted by Mailmanlists.net. They are trying hard to figure it out but so far unsuccessful. Looking at the headers of emails sent from steve(a)stevebrown.us to the list and boomeranged back to me, I see a line “X-MailFrom: bounce+66273f.99dcd9c-radg=lists.radg.us(a)stevebrown.xn--us-02t. I gather that it is designating the return path where a message would be sent if there was a delivery problem. From its position in the header, I suspect it is added as they pass through Mailgun, maybe related to DKIM. I am hoping you might know why that bounce address is recognized by Mailman 3 as a real address for my emails, but not for others, even from my wife’s computer traversing the same path from our home to the Mailman 3 server. The Mailman installation does get and process the post, but also puts the “bounce+,,,” address in its list of nonmembers. Mailmanlists.net hasn’t figured out the behavior. I can provide full header information if that would help. My understanding of how headers work is very limited. Steve Brown

2 5

mailman import21 passwords
by Sam Darwin 17 Sep '24

17 Sep '24

Hi, On https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq-migration.html it says "Mailman 3 has a completely new account management system, none of the passwords from Mailman 2 will work with Mailman 3. Each user needs to sign up in Postorius for a new account to manage their memberships on all lists on a single instance." "Each user needs to sign up in Postorius for a new account" I am (personally) satisfied with this answer. However others at the company are asking for a detailed explanation. Consider that - - Mailman2 has access to password information. - Import scripts such as "import21" are able to import list information. - It seems that scripts such as "import21" could also generate new user accounts and passwords based on the previous ones. Why can't passwords be imported from mailman2 to mailman3? How difficult would it be to do? (is there a link to where this is already explained? ) Thanks

4 6

Required permissions for mass operations
by mailman3＠werner.by 15 Sep '24

15 Sep '24

Hi, I've Mailman 3.3.3 running with some mailing lists and it works great. Now I'm looking for a configuration option. I'd like to have some users with permission to - moderate lists AND - perform mass operations (add members, delete members) AND - change settings for single members (execute actions in menu point "Users", "Members") It should be impossible to change other list or mailman settings for this users. To give them the moderation permission is quite easy: I add the users to the moderators of the lists. But for the user management I've to add the users to the list owners and then is there no restriction anymore to change the full list configuration. What can I do? I link to a documentation for this would help as well, but I found nothing. Thanks a lot for an answer Torsten

2 1

Problem getting Mailman3 to work with Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS
by sebensteg＠cod.edu 13 Sep '24

13 Sep '24

Hello everyone, We have been using Mailman3 for over a year and half. We upgraded from Ubuntu 22.04.5, where it was working fine, to Ubuntu 22.04.1. Since then, mailman3 won’t work. When we tried to start it immediately after the upgrade, we got this error: 024-09-12T23:08:04.322353+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... 2024-09-12T23:08:04.935569+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: type psycopg2.extensions.ReplicationConnection has the Py_TPFLAGS_HAVE_GC flag but has no traverse function 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942784+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942869+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: Traceback (most recent call last): 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942938+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: sys.exit(main()) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943123+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943188+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943242+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943284+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943325+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943449+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943508+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943553+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943594+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943753+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943799+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943867+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943911+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943952+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944043+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944085+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.process_value(ctx, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944127+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944182+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944293+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944335+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944376+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize(value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944419+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 229, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944460+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944518+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 187, in initialize_2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944561+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944603+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944708+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 57, in create 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944769+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: database.initialize() 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944856+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/base.py", line 117, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944899+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.engine = create_engine( 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944941+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944982+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "<string>", line 2, in create_engine 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945025+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/deprecations.py", line 281, in warned 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945070+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return fn(*args, **kwargs) # type: ignore[no-any-return] 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945112+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945165+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/create.py", line 599, in create_engine 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945208+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: dbapi = dbapi_meth(**dbapi_args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945291+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py", line 690, in import_dbapi 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945332+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: import psycopg2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945374+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 51, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945425+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945478+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception 2024-09-12T23:08:05.071429+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE 2024-09-12T23:08:05.071768+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. 2024-09-12T23:08:05.072429+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. So, ultimately, what we decided to do was reinstall it. But the compilation fails when it tries to make a venv (virtual environment) with this error: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.322353+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... 2024-09-12T23:08:04.935569+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: type psycopg2.extensions.ReplicationConnection has the Py_TPFLAGS_HAVE_GC flag but has no traverse function 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942784+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942869+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: Traceback (most recent call last): 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942938+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: sys.exit(main()) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943123+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943188+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943242+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943284+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943325+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943449+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943508+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943553+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943594+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943753+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943799+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943867+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943911+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943952+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944043+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944085+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.process_value(ctx, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944127+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944182+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944293+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944335+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944376+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize(value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944419+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 229, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944460+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944518+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 187, in initialize_2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944561+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() But yet, we have this installed: venv mailman@weather1:~$ pip install psycopg2-binary Requirement already satisfied: psycopg2-binary in ./venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages (2.8.6) Any advice on how to get this working again would be GREATLY appreciated! Gilbert Sebenste Meteorology Support Analyst College of DuPage

4 7

Disabled by bounce
by Allan Hansen 11 Sep '24

11 Sep '24

Hi all, Apparently Google just started to get very aggressive about DKIM settings. Some hundreds of my subscribers have had their subscriptions disabled because of Google's bounces. I tried to 'Enable' some of them, expecting that their bounce scores would be reset, but when I list the users, the bounce scores are still 5. Please advise. Will enabling them without the bounce score being reset just cause the server to disable them again. Yours, Allan

10 19

Trying to understand the mailman.cfg from the virtualenv installation guide
by unite42＠disroot.org 11 Sep '24

11 Sep '24

Hello, I'm trying to install Mailman3 following the Virtualenv Installation guide. I would like to understand why the configurations in the displayed mailman.cfg are recommended. Especially the following two: [archiver.prototype] enable: yes "The prototype archiver stores messages individually in var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/." https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Do I need this, when using hyperkitty? Is this a fail-safe recommendation? [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 What is the background of these recommendations? Thank you for your help! Greetings unite42

4 4

Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
by eyoelz＠gmail.com 11 Sep '24

11 Sep '24

Hi, I set up mailman3 following the instruction on the mailman3 website. Everything went well until I got to the “Hooking up your mail server” at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… . I followed the instructions, but when I try to send an email to one of the lists I created, I get the error below. I have postfix installed on the same server as mailman3. I was wondering if I missed something during the mail server set up process. Relevant parts of my config files are below. Error: Aug 19 15:06:10 xxx-rocky9 postfix/smtpd[153746]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from xxxx.xxxxxx-xx.iphmx.com[xx.x.xx.xxx]: 550 5.1.1 <devops(a)xxx.xxx.edu>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<xxx(a)xxxx.edu> to=<xxx(a)xx.xx.edu> proto=ESMTP helo=<xx.xx-xx.iphmx.com> mailman.cfg [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: localhost lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no mailman/config/postfix.cfg [postfix] postmap_command: /usr/sbin/postmap transport_file_type: hash main.cf smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination myhostname = xxx.xxx.edu alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases mydestination = $myhostname, mailman, localhost.localdomain, , localhost relayhost = [xx.xx.xx.xx] mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps =$alias_maps hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains Thanks, Eyoel Mengesha

3 2

Best practice when deleting a mailing-list (archiving an old list)
by Marc SCHAEFER 10 Sep '24

10 Sep '24

Hello, With Mailman2, my list deletion procedure was quite simple: - export the list configuration with config_list - export the list members - archive the archives somewhere - remove the aliases manually - delete the list I think that with Mailman3, the above can be done as follows: - export the list configuration with https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… - export the list members with https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… - archive the archives somewhere: this is my main question - remove the aliases manually: this is automatic - delete the list So, is there a simple way to export a list's archives in a way it can be reimported, now that everything seems to be in the database? Archiving the whole database is an issue here (its compressed dump size > 2 GB). Thank you for your ideas or pointers!

2 1

How to remove Held Unsubscriptions
by Mark 10 Sep '24

10 Sep '24

Hi As a moderator I receive an email each day for "Held Unsubscriptions" for a subscriber that was unsubscribed by the Owner sometime ago (using "Mass operations"). +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The listname(a)domain.com list has 1 moderation requests waiting. Held Unsubscriptions: User: bart(a)example.com Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There is nothing showing under "Subscription requests > Pending approval". Could anyone tell me how I can stop these email notifications? I have access to the mailman shell and the databases. Thanks, Mark

4 6

Mass Subscribe caused Delivery Status to become "unset"
by chad.hays86＠gmail.com 09 Sep '24

09 Sep '24

One of the admins on our Mailman site said they recently performed a mass subscribe operation on list, however they noticed that for each user they subscribed, their "Delivery status" was unset, so they weren't receiving email updates whenever there was new activity on the list. They had to go in after the fact and manually set it to "Enabled" for each user that was subscribed via the mass subscription operation. Is this behavior expected? During the mass subscribed, pre-confirm, pre-approved, and pre-verified checkboxes were all checked.

3 3

It takes a very long time to display the list archives
by bryan.kartzman＠yu.edu 09 Sep '24

09 Sep '24

When I try to display the archives of any list in my mailman3 installation it takes forever for it to display. We are talking a good three or four minutes. It doesn't matter if there are 100 messages in the archives or just one. We are using postgres for the mailman3 and django databases. On the server, when I click to display a list's archives, I see the process "gunicorn: worker [gunicorn]" is using nearly 100% of available CPU.

1 0

when on particular person sends a message to the list dozens of OTHER users have their bounce score incremented
by Ken Alker 09 Sep '24

09 Sep '24

We have been experiencing a strange anomaly. We are running a small-ish list. When a particular subscriber to the list sends an email to the list, a couple of dozen (or more) of the recipient's of the message end up with their bounce scores incrementing. This particular subscriber uses about three different email addresses when he sends his messages and every one of them causes this behavior. There is another subscriber who also causes this behavior when he sends an email to the list, but only one of the two email addresses he sends from causes this behavior. There is a third person who causes this behavior every time. There are dozens of other subscribes who don't generate this behavior when they send to the list. I can't figure out why this is occurring. I *assume* that Mailman re-writes the headers to add DKIM, etc., before sending them to the list recipients but it sure seems like something in the header from the original sender is ending up in the final header (or something is LACKING) which is not liked by the recipient's MTA's. It doesn't seem like a subscriber sending an email to the list should be able to cause this behavior - but I'm no expert. The recipients appear to be using many different mail platforms (ie. their addresses are not all, or even mostly, @google.com or some other domain; the recipients appear to be a pretty good cross section of platforms). This has been going on all year (maybe longer). Any help or troubleshooting suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

5 9

How to tell which lists on my server are being used?
by Bryan Kartzman 08 Sep '24

08 Sep '24

Is there an easy way to tell which lists on my Mailman 3 installation are being used (i.e. received posts in the last two or three months)?

4 4

Setting base_url for the domain to use it in the templates.
by Timour Bakeev 08 Sep '24

08 Sep '24

Hi all! I'm trying to use extended placeholders for the [templated texts](https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/res… in the message footer that are sent to the members: > Along with these, Mailman supports placeholder as URLs for web interface when `base_url` property is set at the Domain level. These include: > domain_url - URL to homepage for a domain. > mailinglist_url - URL to homepage for a mailinglist. > held_message_url - URL to page for handling all held messages. > pending_subscriptions_url - URL to page for handling pending subscription requests. > pending_unsubscriptions_url - URL to page for handling pending unsubscriptions. The REST API docs mention `base_url` as the property of the domain: [domain URLs](https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest… But my attempts to use REST API to set it fail: ``` curl --user 'restapi:restpass' \ -X PATCH \ -H "Content-Type: application/json" \ -H 'Accept: application/json' \ -d '{ "base_url": "https://example.net/mailman3" }' \ http://localhost:8001/3.1/domains/example.net | jq '.' { "title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Unexpected parameters: base_url" } ``` My MM3 instance is the latest(3.3.9), provided by the maxking mailman-core docker image. It looks like there is a lot of confusion about `base_url` in general, as hyperkitty seems also use the property with the same name, for example: https://lists.mailman3.org/hyperkitty/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/threa… So what is the correct way to get those extended placeholders to work in the templates? It's also not clear to me, what the the primary domain should be for the installation - server hostname, as in `lists.mailman3.org` or the domain, used in the mailing list(s) itself, like `mailman3.org` for mailman-users(a)mailman3.org... With best regards, Timour Bakeev

4 6

Archive not updated
by mailman3＠escapade.ch 06 Sep '24

06 Sep '24

Hi All, Env: Debian bookworm debian pkg mailman 3.3.8-2~deb12u2 Status I moved from MM2 to MM3 Import of the archives worked, no issue problem: current emails sent to the list are not being archived. What have I done: - based on the list here I've checked different settings in the cfg files - looked for errors in the log What else can I do to solve this problem ? Many thanks in advance for your help. Manny

3 2

Can you use @list to include members in accept these non-members in v3?
by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis 05 Sep '24

05 Sep '24

In Mailman v2, one could use @listname in ‘accept_these_nonmembers’: A line consisting of the @ character followed by a list name specifies another Mailman list in this installation, all of whose member addresses will be accepted for this list. I don’t see this option listed in version 3. Is it no longer supported/allowed? Is there another option? We often send email to lists of lists and have loved that @listname option to help us deliver email to 20+ lists without needing to approve the emails each time or reconfigure all the lists when another sender needs to be added. Thank you Tom Lieuallen Oregon State University

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security app causing django Internal Server Error: /archives/search emails
by sun zi 05 Sep '24

05 Sep '24

Greetings, I have set up a few lists and all seems to be working as expected, however I get a large number of emails due to internal server errors received when my security application is testing exploits to list URLs such as the following: https://<mylistdomain>/archives/search?sort=177120&cauft=&page=1&q=../../../../../../../../../../tmb/wditeteet424465304.txt. Is there any django logging filter changes that can be made to avoid receiving these emails? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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Assistance Needed for Ubuntu 22.04 Mailman3 Installation and Configuration
by smiithjohn90＠gmail.com 31 Aug '24

31 Aug '24

Hello Everyone, I'm trying to install Mailman3 on an Ubuntu 22.04 server right now, and I've run across a few obstacles that I'd like help with. I've followed the installation instructions, but I'm having trouble in a couple places, so I was hoping an experienced someone might help me out. This is what I have completed thus far: - I used the apt-get package manager to install Mailman3. - PostgreSQL was configured as the database backend. - Postfix was installed and set up to function as the Mail Transfer Agent (MTA). - Assemble Postorius, Hyperkitty, and the Mailman3 core. Problems I'm Having: Postorius and Hyperkitty Connectivity: I'm having problems making sure that the Mailman core is correctly connected to Postorius and Hyperkitty. I get a 502 Bad Gateway error when I try to access the web interfaces. Despite checking my specifications, I am unable to identify the problem. Problems with Email Delivery: I'm also having trouble with email delivery. Although Mailman appears to be receiving emails, it is not appearing to be sending any out. I think there might be a Postfix problem, but I'm not sure how to solve it. Generally Suggested Practices: Are there any particular security best practices I should be aware of when it comes to Mailman3 installations? I want to confirm that my configuration is both performance- and security-optimized. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… https://www.igmguru.com/salesforce/salesforce-developer-training https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I would be grateful for any advice or resources! It would be really beneficial if someone with a similar setup could share their settings or troubleshooting procedures. Thank you in advance.

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Dist. List forwarding and DMARC Reject circumvention. Will this pattern work?
by titan160＠hotmail.com 26 Aug '24

26 Aug '24

I would be grateful if someone could vet and verify (or guide otherwise) the following pattern please. With the major mail vendors move to DMARC - Full Reject, I have a small challenge. - We have a number of 365 Distribution List addresses. - These lists accept email from anyone and, currently, then forward those emails onto list members. - List members, however, are NOT necessarily email addresses within the list's mail domain. They might be outlook.com, Gmail, yahoo, Hotmail, username(a)local.ISP. Consequently, DMARC Reject policies are causing these emails to be marked spam as the 365 Dist. List forwarding is not doing any header manipulation. My thinking is: - I could set up a Mailman list (elists.mydomain.com) alongside the 365 Exchange mail domain (mydomain.com) - I leave inbound mail deliver to the 365 Dist. lists. - I reconfigure the (mylist(a)mydomain.com) Dist. Lists to fwd to a similarly-named Mailman address at the email sub-domain (mylist(a)elists.mydomain.com) - The Mailman list, by virtue of having to use the 365 MTA, should be able to accept all inbound from the list (mylist(a)mydomain.com). - Mailman would then need to re-write the mail headers such that the inbound email to-be-forwarded from the Mailman list, both appears to come from the (mylist(a)mydomain.com) address, and also has the 365 'mydomain.com' SPF and DKIM records. And given Mailman has to use the 365 MTA, it would actually be coming from that main mail domain. - Somewhere in there, the original sender's email address would need to be included, such that a Reply-to-All from a receiving List member would not only go back to the List, but also the original sender. My thinking is that with this pattern, I don't need to worry about inbound emails to the list address as that would simply continue to function as normal, and fwdd mails from the List to recipient list members would not be marked spam as the headers would all be good. Is my thinking good? Or am I out of my cotton-pickin' mind?

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Issue with mailman auto subscription
by Francisco Paco López 26 Aug '24

26 Aug '24

Hello, I migrated my mailman 2 instance to mailman 3 some months ago. Some users have been reporting lately that auto subscriptions don't work anymore. In the affected list both the Subscription and un subscription policies are open, which means that normally a user that sends a "subscribe" mail automatically subs to the list. This works fine for users that have been subscribed in the past but not for new users. The latter get a mail stating that a confirmation is needed ("Your confirmation is needed to join the XXXX(a)my.lists.com mailing list"). I see nothing out of the ordinary in the mailman.log file and co. Any ideas? Thanks a lot in advance [SIB logo] Francisco López Ayuso System Administrator SIB | Swiss Institute of Bioinformatics Quartier Sorge, bâtiment Amphipôle - CH 1015 Lausanne - Switzerland t +41 21 692 40 36 Francisco.Lopezayuso(a)sib.swiss - www.sib.swiss The information in this e-mail, and those ensuing, is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message and notify the sender immediately.

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Mailman config is not being applied
by roberto.blandino＠ibw.com.ni 26 Aug '24

26 Aug '24

Debian: 11.10 GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Server version: Apache/2.4.61 (Debian) PHP 7.4.33 (cli) (built: Apr 12 2024 00:02:16) ( NTS ) I have a list and when i add a no member on the web interface and on the Non-Member options i set "Administration options" to "Accept skip other rules" when i send email from that address it keeps being moderated and when i open again the options it keeps saying "Default by list" The options are not being write on changes

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systemd unit file modification: start / stop both services at once
by Ron / BCLUG 24 Aug '24

24 Aug '24

Hi, I've made a slight adjustment to my systemd unit files for Mailman3 such that I only ever need to start / restart / stop mailman3.service and mailman3-web.service will have the same action automatically applied to it. It's called `Upholds` and binds the 2 services together. I humbly suggest it become the default. In my case, I added a file here: /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service.d/override.conf with these lines: [Unit] Upholds = mailman3-web.service Before = mailman3-web.service Now, starting mailman3.service will *also* start mailman3-web.service. Restarting mailman3.service will *also* restart mailman3-web.service. Stopping mailman3.service will *also* stop mailman3-web.service. Those 3 lines could be placed in mailman3.service, or something like `UpheldBy=mailman3.service` could go in the mailman3-web.service. Hopefully this would make things slightly better for Mailman3 admins out there. rb

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502 bad gateway when unsubscribing users
by laura_thomas＠fas.harvard.edu 22 Aug '24

22 Aug '24

Hi everyone, I moderate several email lists for a university using Postorius 1.3.4.1. I've been trying to update our lists by removing members who have left the department. However, when I click on a name and then "Unsubscribe Selected," I always get a 502 Bad Gateway message, and I'm unable to remove any users from the list. This has happened on every attempt across multiple users on multiple mailing lists. Does anyone know what might be going on? I appreciate the help!

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Could You Please Guide Me As A Newbie?
by smiithjohn90＠gmail.com 21 Aug '24

21 Aug '24

Hello, everyone! This is my first post after just joining this discussion, so please forgive me and provide kind assistance if I have posted in the wrong subsection! I am new here but a real enthusiast and loving this community so far. I have a background in teaching coding and education, and I feel I could help with documentation, at least for starters. As a new member of this forum, I wish to share and gain some knowledge. I am looking forward to creating my own discussions to resolve my queries and gain more insights. I have participated in various discussions, which have definitely helped me a lot. Also, what factors should be considered when choosing the appropriate category for a post? Thank you in advance.

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trying to understand ARC
by Johannes Rohr 18 Aug '24

18 Aug '24

Dear all, I'm confused about how to enable ARC signing and how it is related to DKIM. As it stands, the contents of the section [ARC] in mailmain.cfg are [ARC] enabled: yes authserv_id: *******.org # Should this be the address of the mailserver (postfix) instead? privkey: /etc/mailman3/***.org.mailman.key # Shouldn't this point to the same private key used by rspamd for DKIM signing? selector: mailman # shouldn't this point to the same selector as rspam, or should it be separate? If so, should I also set up a separate TXT entry domain: ****.org # mailman serves multiple domains. Should all be there? Should the exact subdomain be there? Finally, how come that at present, mailman does NOT sign the messages? They come with the original DKIM signature, but there is no ARC signature. Unfortunately, the official documentation says very little about ARC, so I have to post my possibly stupid questions here. Johannes

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Legit login attempts yield, "An error occurred while processing your request."
by Greg Newby 14 Aug '24

14 Aug '24

Hi friends. Following up on my message over the weekend about getting web (Django) logins for users who were ported from MM2 to MM3, I now have some people trying to create a new username. Something broke following a system update and reboot. MM3 is installed using the venv method, and the services (mailman and mailman-web) seem to be running ok. Mailing list delivery is happening as usual. I've now come upon a few related situations where a 500 error results, "Server error. An error occurred while processing your request." My primary question is: *How can I find out what's causing this*? I've looked in all the MM and web logfiles, by "tail -f" while generating the error, and nothing is logged there. Apache logs shows something like this: x.x.y.y- - [13/Aug/2024:21:46:41 -0700] "POST /accounts/password/reset/ HTTP/1.1" 500 1448 "https://lists.pglaf.org/accounts/password/reset/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15_7) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/127.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Edg/127.0.0.0" I've come across this error while trying to do authentication-related activities that worked before the reboot: - "Forgot password" (happens whether or not the entered email existed in MM2 or already exists in MM3) - Sign up (ditto) - Email unsubscribes gave a verification email, but then didn't unsubscribe the address (might not be the same problem) Thanks for any breadcrumbs that might guide me to the solution. ~ Greg

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Several Postorius errors over the weekend
by Andrew Hodgson 14 Aug '24

14 Aug '24

Hi. I've had several Postorius error messages which have resulted in an email. Is this someone up to mischief or have I missed a configuration somewhere? We had several of these over a short period and nothing since then which makes me think someone was running a script on the endpoint, but would be interested in confirmation from those that know better. Thanks. Andrew. Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/login/ 429.html Request Method: HEAD Request URL: http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/accounts/login/?next=%2F%61%63%63%6F%75%6E%7… Django Version: 4.2.13 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 Python Version: 3.12.3 Python Path: ['/opt/mailman', '/', '/opt/mailman/venv/bin', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python312.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.12', '/usr/lib/python3.12/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages', '/usr/local/lib/python3.12/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/etc/mailman3'] Server time: Fri, 09 Aug 2024 15:32:41 +0000 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Template loader postmortem Django tried loading these templates, in this order: Using engine django: This engine did not provide a list of tried templates. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 104, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 46, in _wrapper return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/allauth/decorators.py", line 10, in wrap resp = ratelimit.consume_or_429(request, action=action, **rl_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/allauth/core/ratelimit.py", line 140, in consume_or_429 return handler429(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/allauth/core/ratelimit.py", line 125, in _handler429 return render(request, "429." + app_settings.TEMPLATE_EXTENSION, status=429) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 24, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 61, in render_to_string template = get_template(template_name, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 19, in get_template raise TemplateDoesNotExist(template_name, chain=chain) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Exception Type: TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/login/ Exception Value: 429.html Raised during: allauth.account.views.LoginView Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: next = '/accounts/login//**/AND/**/(SELECT/**/DIFFERENCE(NULL,NULL))/**/IS/**/NULL--/**/CiLH' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: csrftoken = '********************' META: CSRF_COOKIE = 'ArmbEBfvw1lQgbvFKczV9km53k5UFC6G' HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'close' HTTP_COOKIE = '********************' HTTP_HOST = 'lists.hodgsonfamily.org' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.15 FirePHP/0.5' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = '141.98.255.143' PATH_INFO = '/accounts/login/' QUERY_STRING = 'next=%2F%61%63%63%6F%75%6E%74%73%2F%6C%6F%67%69%6E%2F%2F%2A%2A%2F%41%4E%44%2F%2A%2A%2F%28%53%45%4C%45%43%54%2F%2A%2A%2F%44%49%46%46%45%52%45%4E%43%45%28%4E%55%4C%4C%2C%4E%55%4C%4C%29%29%2F%2A%2A%2F%49%53%2F%2A%2A%2F%4E%55%4C%4C%2D%2D%2F%2A%2A%2F%43%69%4C%48' RAW_URI = '/accounts/login/?next=%2F%61%63%63%6F%75%6E%74%73%2F%6C%6F%67%69%6E%2F%2F%2A%2A%2F%41%4E%44%2F%2A%2A%2F%28%53%45%4C%45%43%54%2F%2A%2A%2F%44%49%46%46%45%52%45%4E%43%45%28%4E%55%4C%4C%2C%4E%55%4C%4C%29%29%2F%2A%2A%2F%49%53%2F%2A%2A%2F%4E%55%4C%4C%2D%2D%2F%2A%2A%2F%43%69%4C%48' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REMOTE_PORT = '35918' REQUEST_METHOD = 'HEAD' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = '127.0.0.1' SERVER_PORT = '8000' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.0' SERVER_SOFTWARE = 'gunicorn/22.0.0' gunicorn.socket = <socket.socket fd=4, family=2, type=1, proto=0, laddr=('127.0.0.1', 8000), raddr=('127.0.0.1', 35918)> wsgi.errors = <gunicorn.http.wsgi.WSGIErrorsWrapper object at 0x7dddf0dddf60> wsgi.file_wrapper = <class 'gunicorn.http.wsgi.FileWrapper'> wsgi.input = <gunicorn.http.body.Body object at 0x7dddf0dde540> wsgi.input_terminated = True wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = False wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'andrew(a)hodgson.io'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['localhost', 'lists.hodgsonfamily.org'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = PosixPath('/opt/mailman/web') CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js': 'compressor.js.JsCompressor'} COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'css': ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter', 'compressor.filters.cssmin.rCSSMinFilter'], 'js': ['compressor.filters.jsmin.rJSMinFilter']} COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7dddf3f61440> COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.OfflineManifestFileStorage' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE_ALIAS = 'compressor-offine' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_STORAGE_ALIAS = 'compressor' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_MASKED = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = ['https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org'] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailman', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'CONN_HEALTH_CHECKS': False, 'OPTIONS': {}, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'PORT': '', 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'MIGRATE': True, 'MIRROR': None, 'NAME': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FILES = 100 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER = 'django.views.debug.ExceptionReporter' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420 FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': '/opt/mailman/web/fulltext_index'}} HYPERKITTY_ENABLE_GRAVATAR = True IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ar-dz', 'Algerian Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('ckb', 'Central Kurdish (Sorani)'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('ig', 'Igbo'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('ky', 'Kyrgyz'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('ms', 'Malay'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('tg', 'Tajik'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tk', 'Turkmen'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'ar-dz', 'ckb', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.TimedRotatingFileHandler', 'filename': '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log', 'formatter': 'verbose', 'when': 'midnight', 'backupCount': 5}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'DEBUG', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['console', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO'}, 'q': {'level': 'WARNING', 'propagate': False, 'handlers': ['console', 'file']}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '/' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', 'workers': 2} ROOT_URLCONF = 'mailman_web.urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECRET_KEY_FALLBACKS = '********************' SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True SECURE_CROSS_ORIGIN_OPENER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.JSONSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [{'id': 'yahoo', 'name': 'Yahoo', 'openid_url': 'http://me.yahoo.com'}]}, 'google': {'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}}, 'facebook': {'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': ['email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone'], 'VERSION': 'v2.4'}} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/static/' STORAGES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage'}, 'staticfiles': {'BACKEND': 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage'}} TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_DEPRECATED_PYTZ = False USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = False USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'mailman_web.wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y'

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Setting archive_policy "private" using REST changes web UI setting Archive policy, but does not hide archive until UI Save
by Henrik Rasmussen 14 Aug '24

14 Aug '24

I am working on disabling a list removing all members using REST and then setting archive_policy to "private" also using REST. This changes the UI Archive policy setting to Private archives as I would expect, but I just discovered that the (now previous) member, still logged in, and alså public (not logged in), still have access to the archive. It is not browser cache. At the moment I click Save in the UI settings/archiving, both logged in user and not logged in user (other browser) changed to "This mailing list is private. You must be subscribed to view the archives." on page reload. It seems that i need to click Save on every list having been changed, before the archive is hidden. Is that a bug? I am currently using Postorius Version 1.3.5 and HyperKitty version 1.3.4. /Henrik

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RDS CA changes
by Hirayama, Pat 12 Aug '24

12 Aug '24

Hello, So, my Mailman3 installation (inherited – guy who set it up has left) is using PostgreSQL that is an AWS RDS instance. I have received an alert from AWS that the CA certificate used to create the database is expiring, and they want me to update the certificate before it expires: "Update Your Amazon RDS and Amazon Aurora SSL/TLS Certificates by August 22, 2024 " https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/rotate-your-ssl-tls-certificates-now-amazo… Our DBA team is requesting that we update applications by installing the new CA within the application's certificate store. As near as I can tell from reading the Mailman 3 docs, and looking at my mailman.cfg and settings_local.py ... I don't know that Mailman 3 is using certificate verification for the PostgreSQL connection. At least, I can't see anything in those configuration files that suggest this. Does anyone know if this is the case – or which configuration file I should look at to verify? Will my Mailman 3 be ok if the DBAs go ahead and update the certificates on their end? Thank you! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering - Infrastructure Fred Hutch Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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Removing all moderatortors (and owners) from a list in one go
by Henrik Rasmussen 12 Aug '24

12 Aug '24

As there doesn't seem to be a "Disable list" REST call (not an "export list" REST call, I am trying to remove all members, moderators and owners, changing list description etc. I managed to remove all members from a list in one go using https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…, but the same command, using /roster/moderator does not apply for moderators (now owners I guess). To me it seems that each moderator has to be removed one by one, either: * using REST https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… * or using the client https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… * or using Python https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Isn't there an easier way? And why not like https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… ? /Henrik

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User cannot reset password
by Greg Newby 11 Aug '24

11 Aug '24

I imported MM2.1 lists to Mailman3 (using import21 - details are in my previous messages to mailman-users), and have had a couple of reports of people for whom the password reset function via "Forgot password" on the list login screen doesn't work as expected. This is a venv installation using PostgreSQL as the database: $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.12.3 (main, Jul 31 2024, 17:43:48) [GCC 13.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:redacated@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:redacted The user selects "Forgot password" and enters their email - which I've confirmed is subscribed and receiving messages. They get this email: You are receiving this email because you, or someone else, tried to access an account with email redactaed(a)gmail.com. However, we do not have any record of such an account in our database. This mail can be safely ignored if you did not initiate this action. If it was you, you can sign up for an account using the link below. I looked in the PostgreSQL address table and confirmed the entry is there, and also of course looked at the Members list in the web-based front end. Everything looks ok. I suspect that lots of people will have the same problem, but have not yet tried to login & reset their password. The earlier reports indicated that people's saved passwords did not work, but I haven't replicated that. Any advice on what's going on and how to address it? I've migrated over 200 lists with thousands of users, so would rather not need to deal with every user via the web-based front end. But at this point I don't even know what to try to fix things. With the previous reports I unsubscribed the user and had them resubscribe - that worked as expected but required back-and-forth discussion and, more importantly, user inconvenience. Thanks, Greg Newby

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Python program to create lists and import settings from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3
by Greg Newby 10 Aug '24

10 Aug '24

Hi friends. A couple of weeks ago I asked for help with calling Mailman functions from within a Python program. This was to avoid using the web interface or shell commands to create a new list from a legacy Mailman 2.x list, and instead do it from within a Python program. Here is the program I ended up using, and I thought it would be worthwhile to get into the Mailman users list archives for future folks. Note that this is for the (recommended) venv installation of Mailman. Some things might be different for other installations. I'll paste the program and also attach it: #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 # Note: The line above should be the Python3 interpreter for your # installed version of Mailman3. It's the same as the first line in # your 'mailman' command, which might be named manage.py or something # else in your environment. # The venv version of Mailman used to develop this program is: # GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) # Python 3.12.3 (main, Apr 10 2024, 05:33:47) [GCC 13.2.0] # About: # The multiple steps of creating a Mailman 3 list based on a legacy # Mailman 2.1 list. # gbn July 28 2024. This little program is granted to the public domain. ######################################################################## # Adjust these variables for your list, domain, MM2 and MM3 locations: lists_to_import = [ # listname, domainname ('testlist','example.org'), ('testlist2','example.org') # Add more lists as needed ] ######################################################################## # Load prerequisite functionality: from mailman.config import config # Needed for transaction.commit from mailman.core.initialize import initialize # For initialize() from mailman.app.lifecycle import create_list # For create_list import pickle # Pickle file handling from contextlib import ExitStack # Pickle file handling from mailman.commands.cli_import import _Mailman, _Bouncer # "" from mailman.utilities.modules import hacked_sys_modules # "" import subprocess # Subprocess for import21 ######################################################################## # Step 0: Initialize the environment: # Without arguments, initialize() looks in the standard locations for your .cfg def do_init(): initialize() # Alternative: Load an explicit configuration file, such as: # initialize('/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg') ######################################################################## # Step 1: Create the list # Note: This fails silently if the list already exists or something goes wrong def do_create(new_list): try: # The list might exist or otherwise not be creatable l = create_list(new_list) except: # I did not find useful return values from create_list to diagnose print('create_list('+new_list+') failed. Trying to proceed anyway') # This saves your new list: transaction = config.db transaction.commit() ######################################################################## # Step 2: Rewrite the pickle file from the legacy list. def do_pickle(old_pickle_file, new_pickle_file): # These definitions are so the old pickle file can be parsed: with ExitStack() as resources: resources.enter_context(hacked_sys_modules('Mailman', _Mailman)) resources.enter_context( hacked_sys_modules('Mailman.Bouncer', _Bouncer)) # Input the old pickle file from MM 2.1 with open(old_pickle_file, 'rb') as fp: data = pickle.load(fp) # ban_list was a problematic value from my MM2.1 lists: # print(data['ban_list']) data['ban_list'] = [] # Any other settings you want to change? Add them here. These # variables may be seen with MM2's 'config_list' command data['require_explicit_destination']=1 # yes data['member_moderation_action']=1 # reject data['generic_nonmember_action']=2 # reject data['max_num_recipients']=2 # block cc/bcc to list fp.seek(0) # probably not needed fp.close() # ditto # Output: Rewrite the file in the current MM3 format with open(new_pickle_file,'wb') as ofp: pickle.dump(data, ofp) ofp.close() ######################################################################## # Step 3: Import the legacy settings to the newly created list def do_import(new_list, new_pickle_file): # I did not see how to call import21 directly from Python, so am using # a subprocess which basically uses the CLI syntax. # # CLI syntax: mailman import21 [OPTIONS] LISTSPEC PICKLE_FILE def import_list(listname, pickle_file): command = [ 'mailman', 'import21', listname, pickle_file ] subprocess.run(command, check=True) # print(f"List {listname} imported successfully.") # Import the list via a subprocess: import_list(new_list, new_pickle_file) # This saves your changes: transaction = config.db transaction.commit() ######################################################################## # Main process: do_init() # Loop for all lists we want to create & import: for new_listname, new_domainname in lists_to_import: new_list = new_listname+'@'+new_domainname # Adjust for wherever your old MM2 lists are: old_pickle_file = '/var/lib/mailman/lists/'+new_listname+'/config.pck' print('Starting list '+new_list) # The new pickle_file doesn't need to be saved after this program exits new_pickle_file = '/opt/mailman/'+new_listname+'-new.pck' do_create(new_list) do_pickle(old_pickle_file, new_pickle_file) do_import(new_list, new_pickle_file) print('Done with list '+new_list) # Don't forget to import and then index your list for full-text # searching. We're not doing that here because it takes awhile # (depending on the size of the archive). Use a command from the bash # shell such as: # mailman-web hyperkitty_import --since=1971-01-01 -l listname@domainnamed /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox # followed by: # mailman-web update_index_one_list listname@domainname ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Display the last post time for a list or all lists.
by Henrik Rasmussen 09 Aug '24

09 Aug '24

Does Mailman 3 have something similar to https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/last_post.py displaying the last post time for a list or all lists?

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Mailman/Django-allauth integration with Yahoo
by Дилян Палаузов 09 Aug '24

09 Aug '24

Hello, Has anybody managed to use the Django-Allauth Yahoo provider to authenticate towards Mailman3? I have integrated mailman3/django-allauth/gmail — it works. I want in the same way to integrate mailman3 with yahoo mail. As advised at https://docs.allauth.org/en/latest/socialaccount/providers/yahoo.html , in yahoo I register an application with redirect URL https://l.bapha.be/mm3/accounts/yahoo/login/callback/ , then I add credentials under mm3/admin/socialaccount/socialapp/: client ID and Private Key. I append in settings.py:INSTALLED_APPS = [… 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.yahoo' ]. After I do all of this, I eventually visit /mm3/accounts/login/?next=/mm3/postorius/lists/at.l.bapha.be/, click on Yahoo: “Sign In Via Yahoo . You are about to sign in using a third-party account from Yahoo.” → [Continue]. Now at https://login.yahoo.com I enter user name and password. Then I get a site, partially in English, partially localized. It is in my domain at address /mm3/accounts/confirm-email/ , and states: Messages: Confirmation of email address sent to ...(a)yahoo.com Menu: Entrance \r\n New registration Confirm your email address: We have sent an email to you for verification. Follow the link provided to finalize the signup process. If you do not see the verification email in your main inbox, check your spam folder. Please contact us if you do not receive the verification email within a few minutes. I have indeed received an email, which states: New signin from … Hi, Your Yahoo account … was just used to sign in on …. If you did this, you’re all set. If not, please use this link to stop sharing, and create a new password. Have a great day! Thanks,Yahoo So, the /account/confirm-email states I have received an email for verification, but the email sent says no verification is needed, I am all set up. Any idea what can I improve? In addition https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/-/blob/master/mailman-suite_projec… suggests adding in settings.py: SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [dict(id='yahoo', name='Yahoo', openid_url='http://me.yahoo.com')]}} which I have not done. That is, I do not use the “openid” provider, but the “yahoo” provider. Do I have to use the OpenID provider when using Yahoo? Greetings Дилян

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migrate MM3 list from an old server to a new one
by noc＠iem.at 08 Aug '24

08 Aug '24

hi all, i have an old mailman3 instance (3.2.1), and would like to migrate it's lists and archives to a new instance (3.3.8) on a different host. for various reasons, i don't think i am able to upgrade the old instance in-place. unfortunately, i haven't found any documentation on how to proceed. there *is* documentation about migrating MM2 to MM3; and my understanding is that `mailman-web migrate` can be used to upgrade a given MM3 instance to a new version. but how can i export an entire MM3 list (including 20 years of archives) to some serialization format, and import it again in another instance? thanks for your help. gamsr4e IOhannes PS: (again) I'm resending this message, as the one i sent yesterday seems to have vanished (i *did* check the archvies). i have no clue why this happens, as i can post via the webinterface just fine (only when using my trusted MUA they just vanish).

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Header settings and Gmail
by erik＠dante.de 07 Aug '24

07 Aug '24

Hi, We operate a mailing list on which many members use their Gmail address. In the default settings, this results in a warning and delayed delivery (and maybe marking as spam): status=deferred (host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.128.27] said: 421-4.7.28 Gmail has detected an unusual rate of unsolicited mail. To protect 421-4.7.28 our users from spam, mail has been temporarily rate limited. For 421-4.7.28 more information, go to 421-4.7.28 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError to 421 4.7.28 review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. As a preventive measure, it helps to use DMARC mitigation action with “Replace From: with list address” and “ DMARC Mitigate unconditionally ”. But now some users are unhappy with the From header " Username via Test-liste <test(a)test-liste.org>". They would rather have their email address in it. Is there a solution with which Google delivers the mailing list messages without complaining, but the sender email address is also in the “From:”? Thanks Erik

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Only Recent archive tab works after mailman upgrade
by zoltan＠circle-interactive.co.uk 06 Aug '24

06 Aug '24

Hi, since I upgraded mailman to 3.3.9 (python 3.11.2) I have an odd issue on lists' archive page. Apparently only the Recent tab works. If I switch to Active or Popular I see the change in the url but page content does not refresh. I can not see any errors in browser console and in logs so I am quite clueless how to debug further :( Thanks for the ideas.

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Where to put static files referred to from list Info page?
by Greg Newby 06 Aug '24

06 Aug '24

Hi friends. Some of my version 2.1 lists had some static files that were referenced from the list's HTML pages. I'd like to do the same for the lists now that they're ported to MM3. My question: Is there a place I can put these files within the Mailman directory hierarchy so they can be linked from the list Info page? I.e., under "Settings / List info / Long description" I'd like to include a <a href=...> to a file that's somewhere in a persistent location in the same directory tree as the Mailman web. I tried putting it under mm/var/lists/listname/ (where 'listname' exists, and is where templates go. This yielded a '404.' I confirmed I can add an href to the Long description, but don't know where in the Mailman3 directory hierarchy I can put the files. Thanks! Greg Newby

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External MTA incoming mail: configuration
by Roland Giesler 06 Aug '24

06 Aug '24

I have mailman set up to send mail via an external MTA, which is supported by mailman and described in the documentation here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…. Specifically it says: |lmtp_host|and|lmtp_port|are parameters which are used by Mailman, but also will be passed to the MTA to identify the Mailman host. The “same host” case is special; some MTAs (including Postfix) do not recognize “localhost”, and need the numerical IP address. If they are on different hosts,|lmtp_host|should be set to the domain name or IP address of the Mailman host.|lmtp_port|is fairly arbitrary (there is no standard port for LMTP). Use any port convenient for your site. “8024” is as good as any, unless another service is using it. However, there is a practical problem with LMTP (to receive incoming email) which is as follows: The setup in mailman.cfg: lmtp_host: lists.fast.za.net lmtp_port: 8024 Now, lists.fast.za.net is the mailman server. The docs say that mailman passes these on to the MTA. However, the MTA (postfix) on box2.gtahardware.co.za has the following setting in it main.cf: virtual_transport=lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025 If I reply to a signup confirmation email for example, the mail is received and processed by box2.gtahardware.co.za, and it is not passed on to the mailman server. So what is meant by "but also will be passed to the MTA to identify the Mailman host" in the docs? If I change the config of the MTA (postfix) to be "virtual_transport=lmtp:[lists.fast.za.net]:8024", I assume the incoming mail will be forwarded, but how does postfix know that only the mailman emails should be forwarded and not all the other mail that the server at box2.gtahardware.co.za receives? This is quite fuzzt to me at this stage. Could someone help me with some clarity please?

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Create a mailman-web admin user
by Roland Giesler 30 Jul '24

30 Jul '24

I having a hard time understanding how to create an admin user for postorius (mailman-web). The docs say at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html Setting up Admin Account <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#setting-up-admin-account> To create a superuser account in Django, run the following interactive command as|mailman|user: (venv)$ mailman-web createsuperuser However, which user in the mailman user mentioned? I tried to do this as root, but login in as an admin doesn't give me any option to create new lists in postorius. What am I missing / doing wrong? regards Roland

4 6

using SSH/TLS with external MTA
by Roland Giesler 30 Jul '24

30 Jul '24

I have managed thus far to get things working on my new install, but I need to use a secure logon to send mail from an external MTA. I have set up: /etc/mailman/mailman.cfg: smtp_host: box2.gtahardware.co.za smtp_port: 465 smtp_user: roland(a)giesler.za.net smtp_pass: <hidden> smtp_secure_mode: smtps smtp_verify_cert: no smtp_verify_hostname: no I'll get a cert installed later, for now just want to get it going. This error occurs when I try to create a new user in postorius. ERROR 2024-07-24 15:29:45,572 2150 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 47, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 70, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 43, in _wrapper return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/debug.py", line 89, in sensitive_post_parameters_wrapper return view(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 146, in dispatch return super(LoginView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 74, in dispatch response = super(RedirectAuthenticatedUserMixin, self).dispatch( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 98, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 102, in post response = self.form_valid(form) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 159, in form_valid return form.login(self.request, redirect_url=success_url) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/forms.py", line 196, in login ret = perform_login( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/utils.py", line 175, in perform_login send_email_confirmation(request, user, signup=signup, email=email) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/utils.py", line 346, in send_email_confirmation email_address.send_confirmation(request, signup=signup) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/models.py", line 62, in send_confirmation confirmation.send(request, signup=signup) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/models.py", line 169, in send get_adapter(request).send_confirmation_mail(request, self, signup) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 464, in send_confirmation_mail self.send_mail(email_template, emailconfirmation.email_address.email, ctx) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 136, in send_mail msg.send() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/message.py", line 284, in send return self.get_connection(fail_silently).send_messages([self]) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/backends/smtp.py", line 109, in send_messages sent = self._send(message) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/backends/smtp.py", line 125, in _send self.connection.sendmail(from_email, recipients, message.as_bytes(linesep='\r\n')) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/smtplib.py", line 901, in sendmail raise SMTPRecipientsRefused(senderrs) smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused: {'roland(a)giesler.za.net': (454, b'4.7.1 <roland(a)giesler.za.net>: Relay access denied')} However, the mailserver is in daily use and accept logon all the time. I believe I'm missing something that should be installed to make SMTPS (SSL) work, but what?

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xapian db corruption - xapian.DatabaseCorruptError: Couldn't read enough (EOF) ??
by Odhiambo Washington 29 Jul '24

29 Jul '24

Today, my hourly cron job has generated an error and continues to do so every hour: ``` Subject: Cron <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly ``` Not sure what caused this. Perhaps a reboot when the cronjob hadn't completed? And a possible manual remedy would be to wipe the indexed db and let the cron run again? [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 1 - 1000 (retry 5/5): Couldn't read enough (EOF) (pid 85950): Couldn't read enough (EOF) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 119, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 276, in update database = self._database(writable=True) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 1160, in _database database = xapian.WritableDatabase(self.path, xapian.DB_CREATE_OR_OPEN) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian/__init__.py", line 3743, in __init__ _xapian.WritableDatabase_swiginit(self, _xapian.new_WritableDatabase(*args)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ xapian.DatabaseCorruptError: Couldn't read enough (EOF) Failed to update the fulltext index: Couldn't read enough (EOF) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 179, in run_with_lock fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 117, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 342, in update_backend max_pk = do_update( ^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 119, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 276, in update database = self._database(writable=True) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 1160, in _database database = xapian.WritableDatabase(self.path, xapian.DB_CREATE_OR_OPEN) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian/__init__.py", line 3743, in __init__ _xapian.WritableDatabase_swiginit(self, _xapian.new_WritableDatabase(*args)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ xapian.DatabaseCorruptError: Couldn't read enough (EOF) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Internal Server Error, Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1
by Elias Rudberg 29 Jul '24

29 Jul '24

Hello! I am using mailman3 (version 3.3.8) and it mostly works fine, but sometimes (usually several times every day) the error below appears. Any suggestions for what could be done about this? Should it be considered a bug in Django, so not a mailman3 problem, or does it indicate something wrong with mailman3 itself? Best regards, Elias Here is what the error message looks like: ------------------------------------------- [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/postorius/lists/ Internal Server Error: /mailman3/postorius/lists/ ValueError at /postorius/lists/ Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1. [...] Django Version: 3.2.19 [...] Python Version: 3.11.2 [...] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 47, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 1145, in list_index return render( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 19, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 170, in render return self._render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 162, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 162, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 62, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 315, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 315, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/library.py", line 234, in render return t.render(new_context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 172, in render return self._render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 162, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 203, in render raise ValueError( Exception Type: ValueError at /postorius/lists/ Exception Value: Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1. Request information: USER: AnonymousUser [...] -------------------------------------------

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MM3 generates long lines?
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au 28 Jul '24

28 Jul '24

I'm seeing emails being dropped when mm3 talks to the local smtp server, with log errors like: 2021-06-23 15:42:24 1lvvea-007r8u-VN H=localhost (<FQDN>) [::1] F=<announce-bounces@<FQDN>> rejected after DATA: maximum allowed line length is 998 octets, got 1036 The email itself did not have such long lines AFAICT. I can disable line length checking on the mailserver, but that sounds like a recipe for the next one along to drop the email. Peter C

4 8

Removing Moderators
by steve.bachinsky＠tena-sda.org 27 Jul '24

27 Jul '24

Hi. I'm able to remove a list moderator through the REST interface: >>> dump_json('BASE_URL/3.1/lists/LIST_NAME/roster/moderator') ... find the correct member_id from the output >>> dump_json('BASE_URL/3.1/members/MEMBER_ID', method='DELETE') If I know the moderator's email address, is there a way to do this in a python function? Thanks, Steve

2 4

Issues with a DMARC record leading to message being shunted
by Ralf Hildebrandt 27 Jul '24

27 Jul '24

Hi! Recently a mail was not being distributed via our MM3 instance; I searched the logs and found: Dec 22 04:54:27 2023 (24) ACCEPT: <1d431542-b386-467b-8bf2-305f19ee7eb4(a)somenet.org> Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) Uncaught runner exception: list index out of range Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 272, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 53, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 125, in process authenticate(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/utilities/retry.py", line 44, in f_retry return f(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 93, in authenticate auth_result = authenticate_message( File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 395, in authenticate_message dmarc_result = check_dmarc(msg, spf_result, dkim_result, dnsfunc=dnsfunc, psddmarc=psddmarc) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 343, in check_dmarc result, result_comment, from_domain, policy = dmarc_per_from(from_domain, spf_result, dkim_result, dnsfunc, psddmarc) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 90, in dmarc_per_from record, orgdomain = receiver_record(from_domain) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 117, in receiver_record retval = lookup_receiver_record(hostSansDmarc, dnsfunc) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 92, in lookup_receiver_record tags = answer_to_dict(str(result)) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 42, in answer_to_dict retval = {t[0].strip().lower(): t[1].strip().lower() for t in rawTags} File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 42, in <dictcomp> retval = {t[0].strip().lower(): t[1].strip().lower() for t in rawTags} IndexError: list index out of range Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) SHUNTING: 1703220868.1418982+b27f5db154375fcd2c418d467172e4aad0d3d57a So the message has been shunted, due to this error. Something with DMARC and tags. So I checked the DMARC record for the sending domain somenet.org. It is "v=DMARC1;p=none;pct=100;rua=mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;ri=3600;fo=1;" which is syntactically incorrect. The extra ";mailto:postmaster@somenet.org" is wrong, I guess the tag "ruf=" is missing here! It should probably read "v=DMARC1;p=none;pct=100;rua=mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;ruf=mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;ri=3600;fo=1;" So, should mm3 somehow "catch" this error somehow? According to the DMARC specs, an syntactically incorrect DMARC record should be ignored / handled as if none were present. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebrandt(a)charite.de https://www.charite.de

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hyperkitty threads by month question
by Bryan Fields 27 Jul '24

27 Jul '24

I have installed a testing server for an organization I'm working with to explore migration from MM2 to MM3. Our main list has archives from 1992, and when importing the mbox into hyperkitty/mm3 I notice the archives by month only go back to July 2007, but the messages are there when I search for specific ones from the old archive in the 1992-2007 range. Is there a better way to get this to show up, or perhaps a better format we can display old archives in that's not 400+ line drop down? Thank you, -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

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config.pck from mailman2 has characters that won't import with import21
by Greg Newby 26 Jul '24

26 Jul '24

Hi. I've set up MM3 in a venv successfully and am importing my legacy lists. I no longer have a running instance of mailman2, so don't know how I can change the offending list settings (i.e., in config.pck). The problem seems to be a digest footer from the previous incarnation of the list (list name is edited below, to protect the innocent): (venv) mailman@mail:~$ mailman import21 abc(a)lists.abcabcabc.org /var/lib/mailman/lists/abc/config.pck Unable to convert mailing list attribute: msg_footer with value "_______________________________________________ ${display_name} mailing list -- ${listname} To unsubscribe send an email to ${short_listname}-leave@${domain} %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s" Unable to convert mailing list attribute: digest_footer with value "_______________________________________________ ${display_name} mailing list -- ${listname} To unsubscribe send an email to ${short_listname}-leave@${domain} %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s" Importing members [------------------------------------] 0% Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) ^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1078, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1688, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1434, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 783, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 33, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_import.py", line 89, in import21 import_config_pck(mlist, config_dict) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/utilities/importer.py", line 578, in import_config_pck import_roster(mlist, config_dict, members, MemberRole.member) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/utilities/importer.py", line 625, in import_roster _import_roster(mlist, config_dict, iterator, role, action=action) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/utilities/importer.py", line 645, in _import_roster if IBanManager(mlist).is_banned(email): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/bans.py", line 103, in is_banned re.match(ban.email, email, re.IGNORECASE) is not None): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/__init__.py", line 167, in match return _compile(pattern, flags).match(string) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/__init__.py", line 307, in _compile p = _compiler.compile(pattern, flags) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_compiler.py", line 745, in compile p = _parser.parse(p, flags) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 979, in parse p = _parse_sub(source, state, flags & SRE_FLAG_VERBOSE, 0) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 460, in _parse_sub itemsappend(_parse(source, state, verbose, nested + 1, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 690, in _parse raise source.error("multiple repeat", re.error: multiple repeat at position 11 It seems that I might need to install mailman2 somewhere to try to change the config.pck. Are there any other options? I have dozens of lists with the same problem. Thanks. Greg Newby

4 4

Run a mailman program outside of mailman shell
by Greg Newby 25 Jul '24

25 Jul '24

Hi again folks. I have hundreds of lists to convert from MM2.1 to MM3, and intend to write a Python program do this this rather than running commands in mailman shell (and rather than running 'command()' functions in mailman shell, if possible). However, when I write a simple Python program to run the types of commands found in the Mailman docs, such as these <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…>, I get errors. This is a venv installation, following these instructions <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>. The Mailman3 installation is working fine and I have a handful of lists in production that I set up manually. Here's a very simple program, import-try1.py, just to create a list: #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 from mailman.app.lifecycle import create_list l = create_list('testlist2(a)lists.aaabbb.org') Here's the output I get (yes, the domain exists and already has lists - I'm putting aaabbb instead of the actual domain name): ./import-try1.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/./import-try1.py", line 4, in <module> l = create_list('testlist2(a)lists.aaabbb.org') ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/lifecycle.py", line 74, in create_list getUtility(IEmailValidator).validate(fqdn_listname) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 180, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) zope.interface.interfaces.ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass mailman.interfaces.address.IEmailValidator>, '') I get different errors with other sets of commands. The same commands work fine from `mailman shell`, i.e., (venv) mailman@mail:~$ mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman3 shell on aaabbb.org >>> from mailman.app.lifecycle import create_list >>> l = create_list('testlist2(a)lists.aaabbb.org') >>> Output from mailman info, with the passwords omitted: GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.12.3 (main, Apr 10 2024, 05:33:47) [GCC 13.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:secretaaabbb@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:reallysecretaaabbb I suspect I just need to either change the interpreter (1st line of my program), or find the correct 'import' lines (I've tried numerous variations; the above is the simplest example). Help will be appreciated! Greg

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Error when click on mailing list: An error occurred while processing your request.
by adam.heathcote＠utas.edu.au 25 Jul '24

25 Jul '24

Hey there, We have a Mailman3 server with quite a few lists all running with no issues. Recently I imported a list from our old Mailman 2 server which went fine. I attempted to remove the current owner and add myself but now when clicking on the list, Postorius shows: An error occurred while processing your request. The output of /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log is here: ERROR 2024-07-09 17:11:33,371 2795 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/net-ops.list.utas.edu.au/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 56, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 103, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/postorius/views/generic.py", line 76, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 142, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 411, in get return render(request, 'postorius/lists/summary.html', data) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 24, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 175, in render return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 157, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 63, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 321, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 52, in render output = self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) TypeError: sequence item 1: expected str instance, NoneType found I've tried removing it and reimporting it to no avail. Is there anything I can besides manually creating it and adding the members and owners from the old server? Cheers

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First time mailman installation
by roland＠giesler.za.net 25 Jul '24

25 Jul '24

I have installed mailman3 on Ubuntu including postorius & hyperkitty (from the packages). I have questions now which are not quite clear to me from the docs: 1. How do I specify my mail server details (which is my own server running postfix, etc) 2. How do I create new lists from the postorius UI, or can I only do that in the config files or the command line console for mailman3? thanks!

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Mailman3 service won't start - Ubuntu 20.04
by willie.castillo＠caemilusa.com 23 Jul '24

23 Jul '24

This is a fresh install (Ubuntu and mailman3), followed all steps in this document (https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html). However, when trying to start mailman3 automatically (step https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#starting-mailma…), it won't start, it's throwing this error: × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2024-07-22 17:34:27 UTC; 8min ago Process: 1429 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) CPU: 985ms Jul 22 17:34:27 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1429]: id SERIAL NOT NULL, Jul 22 17:34:27 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1429]: email VARCHAR, Jul 22 17:34:27 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1429]: list_id VARCHAR, Jul 22 17:34:27 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1429]: PRIMARY KEY (id) Jul 22 17:34:27 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1429]: ) Jul 22 17:34:27 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1429]: ] Jul 22 17:34:27 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1429]: (Background on this error at: https://sqlalche.me/e/20/f405) Jul 22 17:34:27 tpalxinflistsp1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Jul 22 17:34:27 tpalxinflistsp1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Jul 22 17:34:27 tpalxinflistsp1 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. Ran "journalctl -xeu mailman3" for details and got this" Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/sql/ddl.py", line 314, in _invoke_with Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: return bind.execute(self) Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1418, in execute Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: return meth( Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: ^^^^^ Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/sql/ddl.py", line 180, in _execute_on_connection Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: return connection._execute_ddl( Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1529, in _execute_ddl Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: ret = self._execute_context( Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1846, in _execute_context Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: return self._exec_single_context( Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1986, in _exec_single_context Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: self._handle_dbapi_exception( Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 2353, in _handle_dbapi_exception Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: raise sqlalchemy_exception.with_traceback(exc_info[2]) from e Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1967, in _exec_single_context Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: self.dialect.do_execute( Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 924, in do_execute Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: cursor.execute(statement, parameters) Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: sqlalchemy.exc.ProgrammingError: (psycopg2.errors.InsufficientPrivilege) permission denied for schema public Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: LINE 2: CREATE TABLE ban ( Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: ^ Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: [SQL: Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: CREATE TABLE ban ( Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: id SERIAL NOT NULL, Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: email VARCHAR, Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: list_id VARCHAR, Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: PRIMARY KEY (id) Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: ) Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: ] Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 mailman[1722]: (Background on this error at: https://sqlalche.me/e/20/f405) Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE ░░ Subject: Unit process exited ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ An ExecStart= process belonging to unit mailman3.service has exited. ░░ ░░ The process' exit code is 'exited' and its exit status is 1. Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. ░░ Subject: Unit failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ The unit mailman3.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code'. Jul 22 17:43:29 tpalxinflistsp1 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. ░░ Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has finished with a failure. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 1101 and the job result is failed.

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Unable to remove non-member
by kapoortoman＠gmail.com 23 Jul '24

23 Jul '24

Hi Everyone, I ran across a strange issue today. A client reported the inability to remove a non-member in the following format: z_email/domain.org.za(a)domain.org.za The reported error from Postorius was: "The user could not be removed" I used https://mailtester.ninja/ to validate the email address and it is syntactically correct. -- JayceonChandler

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Mailman3 on AlmaLinux 9 - Python3.9 errors
by willie.castillo＠caemilusa.com 19 Jul '24

19 Jul '24

Hi, I'm trying to configure mailman3 on my AlmaLinux 9 server and when checking the mailman3 status, I get the following: # mailman3 status Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/base.py", line 227, in _catch_revision_errors yield File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/base.py", line 439, in _upgrade_revs for script in reversed(list(revs)) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/revision.py", line 793, in iterate_revisions revisions, heads = fn( File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/revision.py", line 1420, in _collect_upgrade_revisions current_revisions = self.get_revisions(lower) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/revision.py", line 525, in get_revisions return sum([self.get_revisions(id_elem) for id_elem in id_], ()) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/revision.py", line 525, in <listcomp> return sum([self.get_revisions(id_elem) for id_elem in id_], ()) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/revision.py", line 549, in get_revisions return tuple( File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/revision.py", line 550, in <genexpr> self._revision_for_ident(rev_id, branch_label) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/revision.py", line 619, in _revision_for_ident raise ResolutionError( alembic.script.revision.ResolutionError: No such revision or branch '2156fc3f6f7d' The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/libexec/mailman3/mailman", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1128, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1052, in main with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 914, in make_context self.parse_args(ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1615, in parse_args rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1370, in parse_args value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2347, in handle_parse_result value = self.process_value(ctx, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2309, in process_value value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config initialize(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 229, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 187, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 58, in create SchemaManager(database).setup_database() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 109, in setup_database alembic.command.upgrade(alembic_cfg, 'head') File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/command.py", line 320, in upgrade script.run_env() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/base.py", line 563, in run_env util.load_python_file(self.dir, "env.py") File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/util/pyfiles.py", line 92, in load_python_file module = load_module_py(module_id, path) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/util/pyfiles.py", line 108, in load_module_py spec.loader.exec_module(module) # type: ignore File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 850, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 228, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/database/alembic/env.py", line 77, in <module> run_migrations_online() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/database/alembic/env.py", line 71, in run_migrations_online context.run_migrations() File "<string>", line 8, in run_migrations File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/runtime/environment.py", line 851, in run_migrations self.get_context().run_migrations(**kw) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/runtime/migration.py", line 608, in run_migrations for step in self._migrations_fn(heads, self): File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/command.py", line 309, in upgrade return script._upgrade_revs(revision, rev) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/base.py", line 435, in _upgrade_revs return [ File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/contextlib.py", line 137, in __exit__ self.gen.throw(typ, value, traceback) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/alembic/script/base.py", line 259, in _catch_revision_errors raise util.CommandError(resolution) from re alembic.util.exc.CommandError: Can't locate revision identified by '2156fc3f6f7d' Any ideas why?

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Strange URL in error message
by waps＠tantalus.jena.thur.de 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

(Debian 12) I have the problem that the hyperkitty archive is empty. The file /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log show sometimes the message urllib3.exceptions.MaxRetryError: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='www.XXXXX-project.demailman3', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive (Caused by NewConnectionError('<urllib3.connection.HTTPSConnection object at 0x7fa48b43a910>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno -2] Name or service not known')) (there is a slash missing between 'project.de' and 'mailman3'). My goal is, of course, to have an running archive. But I think the error message could be a hint about the reason) Do you have an idea what can I do about this?

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deployment recommendation(?)
by noc＠iem.at 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

(sorry, if this comes in double; i sent the same mail yesterday, but it seems it didn't make it (i did check the archives); so i'm re-sending via the webinterface) hi, it's summer here in europe, and students have left the campus. so - like every summer - I ponder on the idea of migrating our old mailman2 instance that has served us for the last twenty years to a new and shiny mailman3. and - like always - i'm a bit unsure about the best way to proceed to find the optimum deployment strategy for a long-running (decades) medium-sized (our largest list has ~1800 members) installation. one of our primary objectives is receiving *security updates*. we also would like to stay on top of development (that is: use the latest and greatest *stable* mailman3 release). in my heart i am a Debian person, so my mailman2 installation just used the Debian packages. the new deployment machine, will be Debian based as well. now https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html lists three options: # Debian packages this is what I would normally pick, but: my past experience with mailman3 in Debian was... rather suboptimal. (my current Debian box running mailman3 is frozen at Debian/buster ("old-old-stable") because of mailman3). i see that the packages in current Debian/stable ("bookworm"), are lagging slightly (3.3.8, rather than 3.3.9), though that's to be expected from a distro with stable releases. otoh, Debian/unstable still ships 3.3.8, which is a bit disappointing. in any case, the really nice thing about (Debian-official) Debian packages is that they are typically - stable - guarantee an upgrade path between releases # Docker packages this is of course the simplest from a deployment perspective, but then i'm a bit worried about the security perspective. in my perception, docker deployments tend to get installed and then forgotten, and while the host OS keeps getting updates, the docker images are just left as is. so they tend to get stale. i would like to know how this is handled # virtualenv this is the deployment method recommended in the docs. however, it doesn't say why this method is any better than the others. also, the website says that it was last updated in 2019, so: is this recommendation still relevant? personally i do not have much experience with deployment of long-running software in virtualenv, and i'm esp worried a bit when it comes to switching python releases (which will happen multiple times in the next few years) i use virtualenv all the time for my pet projects, but there it doesn't matter much, if the venv breaks: i just delete it and start from scratch. but those are not long-running services. so: what are the drawbacks, limitations, advantages and benefits of the various deployment methods? i'd really like to make the switch this year! gmfasdr IOhannes

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Setting PYTHONPATH in the virtual environment installation
by Keith Christian 15 Jul '24

15 Jul '24

Before switching from a "git clone" installation to the virtual environment install, "/home/mailman3/mailman/src/mailman" was recommended as the PYTHONPATH setting. Here are some paths that exist in the Mailman3 virtual environment on the server in question: /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/archiving /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/archiving/__init__.py /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/archiving/__pycache__ /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/archiving/docs /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/archiving/mailarchive.py What is the proper setting for PYTHONPATH in this case? Thanks. ----------- Keith

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mailman findmember runs very slow
by Wong, Wesley 14 Jul '24

14 Jul '24

Hi, I am noticing a performance issue with Mailman 3 when using the "mailman findmember" CLI command to search for email address or name. On average, it takes about 15 - 20 seconds to run a query which is very slow IMHO. When searching through web administrator interface for Users, it takes only 1 -2 seconds. Is there a reason for such a discrepancy between the two interfaces? Is there any tuning to the CLI that could help with the performance issue? Here is the setup information regarding the VM hosting the Mailman 3 server: Memory: 16G CPU Cores: 6 Mailman CORE version: 3.3.9 Python version: 3.11.5 Database: MariaDB 10.6.15 OS: SLES 15 SP5 Thanks. wesley * * * Wesley Wong Senior Systems Engineer (ACIS) (310) 206-2571 wesley.wong(a)anderson.ucla.edu<mailto:wesley.wong@anderson.ucla.edu> UCLA Anderson School of Management | Transformative Leaders

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repeated headers in mails from mailinglists
by Tobias Diekershoff 14 Jul '24

14 Jul '24

Dear all, we have recently migrated from Mailman2 to Mailman3 and now discovered that all mails going through Mailman3 have the headers Archived-At and List-Archive repeated identically in the mail header ~100 times each. We are running Mailman3 on Debian Bookworm from the Debian repositories (mailman3 3.3.8-2~deb12u2) with postfix (3.7.11-0+deb12u1) and hyperkitty (1.2.1-1). Can somebody of you help me to get rid of the repeated header? Thanks in advance for you help! Best, Tobias -- Tobias Diekershoff >>> System Hacker Free Software Foundation Europe Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 10119 Berlin, Germany | t +49-30-27595290 Registered at Amtsgericht Hamburg, VR 17030 | fsfe.org/support OpenPGP-Key ID ... 0x25FE376FF17694A1 Fingerprint ...... 23EE F484 FDF8 291C BA09 A406 25FE 376F F176 94A1 ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: application/pgp-keys Name: OpenPGP_0x25FE376FF17694A1.asc

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Hiding the "subscribe without creating an account"
by Ben Sturmfels 14 Jul '24

14 Jul '24

Hi Folks, My Mailman3 installation is receiving a trickle of fake registrations, for which it then attempts to send a "Your confirmation is needed to join..." email, which typically bounce. I suspect these are coming from the "subscribe without creating an account" form on the list summary page. I notice that lists.mailman3.org doesn't show this form at all - you have to create an account to subscribe: https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ compared to mine with: https://lists.softwarefreedom.com.au/postorius/lists/free-software-melb.lis… Is there a configuration option that does this, or was it a custom change made in the templates? Was the change made to reduce fake registrations? Did it work? Regards, Ben -- Ben Sturmfels Sturm Software Engineering www.sturm.com.au +61 3 9024 2467

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500 error on one list
by Seth Seeger 13 Jul '24

13 Jul '24

Hello, One of my lists is return a 500 error when I try to visit the list's home page: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} mailmanweb.log says: ERROR 2024-07-13 15:22:30,073 1668 postorius Un-handled exception: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/postorius/views/generic.py", line 74, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 97, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 275, in get 'hyperkitty' in self.mailing_list.archivers and # noqa: W504 File "/usr/lib/python3.8/_collections_abc.py", line 666, in __contains__ self[key] File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 146, in __getitem__ return self._get(key) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 88, in _get return self.rest_data[key] File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 74, in rest_data response, content = self._connection.call(self._url) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 127, in call raise HTTPError(url, response.status_code, urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} ERROR 2024-07-13 15:22:30,079 1668 django.request Internal Server Error: /postorius/lists/XXXX/ ERROR 2024-07-13 15:22:30,079 1668 django.request Internal Server Error: /postorius/lists/XXXX/ mailman.log says: [13/Jul/2024:15:23:44 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/XXXX HTTP/1.1" 200 466 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [13/Jul/2024:15:23:44 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/XXXX/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 2401 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [13/Jul/2024:15:23:44 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/XXXX/roster/moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [13/Jul/2024:15:23:44 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/XXX@XXXX/config HTTP/1.1" 200 14262 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" 2024-07-13 15:23:44 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/XXXX/archivers => Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/falcon/app.py", line 361, in __call__ responder(req, resp, **params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 405, in on_get archiver_set = IListArchiverSet(self._mlist) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 152, in adapter_hook return sitemanager.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/interface/registry.py", line 354, in queryAdapter return self.adapters.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 619, in __init__ exists = store.query(ListArchiver).filter( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3467, in one_or_none raise orm_exc.MultipleResultsFound( sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() [13/Jul/2024:15:23:44 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/XXXX/archivers HTTP/1.1" 500 38 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" Did this one list get corrupted somehow? I'm running GNU Mailman 3.3.4 (Tom Sawyer) in Docker containers on Debian Stretch. Emails to that list are not getting processed. I'm not out of disk space. Anything I should check? Thank you, Seth

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Pkl files with ".last" extension
by Keith Christian 12 Jul '24

12 Jul '24

In the MM2 to MM3 migration project I'm involved with, I see files with names like config.pkl.last along with config.pkl. Is there a special reason for the ".last" extension and if so, what is it? Thanks, -------- Keith

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bulk deletion of messages from Hyperkitty
by Danil Smirnov 12 Jul '24

12 Jul '24

Hi, community! After importing from Mailman 2, thousands of badly compiled messages from the past appeared with empty content on the same date (date of import). Is there a safe way to delete them all? If we delete them from the database - hyperkitty_email table - do we need to do some clean-up of hyperkitty_thread table as well? Any advice? BR, Danil Smirnov

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Hyperkitty stuck files
by zoltan＠circle-interactive.co.uk 11 Jul '24

11 Jul '24

Hi, I have a mailman3 setup in venv with python 3.11.2 mailman 3.3.9 mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1 I feel I have read a lot about issues with stucked files in spool directory still I am not able to proceed with debugging in my case. Ideas would be welcome and appreciated. Thanks This is the error in archiver.log Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) HyperKitty archiver processing queued filebase: 1720522497.980487+a88492922feca24ced15594a5ec16556195 6f3ad Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) hyperkitty archiver: sending message <B9E91239-ED71-4CC6-8FFF-3308C5C4DE2E(a)me.com> Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) HyperKitty failure on http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive: <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge"> <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1"> <title>Server Error</title> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/django-mailman3/css/main.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/css/style.css"> </head> <body> <div class="container"> <h1>Server error</h1> <div class="alert alert-danger">An error occurred while processing your request.</div> </div> </body> </html> (500) Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) Could not archive the message with id <B9E91239-ED71-4CC6-8FFF-3308C5C4DE2E(a)me.com> Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list act.lists.contextualscience.org, message <B9E91239-ED71-4CC6-8FFF-3308C5C4DE2E(a)me.com>) Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge"> <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1"> <title>Server Error</title> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/django-mailman3/css/main.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/css/style.css"> </head> <body> <div class="container"> <h1>Server error</h1> <div class="alert alert-danger">An error occurred while processing your request.</div> </div> </body> </html> Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 158, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 228, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge"> <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1"> <title>Server Error</title> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/django-mailman3/css/main.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/css/style.css"> </head> <body> <div class="container"> <h1>Server error</h1> <div class="alert alert-danger">An error occurred while processing your request.</div> </div> </body> </html>

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Postfix SMTP REJECT non-subscribers
by Matthew Blissett 11 Jul '24

11 Jul '24

Hi, With Mailman 2, I have configuration and scripts to reject non-members from posting to lists _during the SMTP connection_. This is better than bouncing (no backscatter), better than discarding messages (the user finds out) and better than moderation (spammy messages aren't forwarded to external email systems). The configuration and scripts are described here: https://code.launchpad.net/~jimpop/mailman/check_subscriber Is anything like this built-in to Mailman 3? I cannot find it in Gitlab. Thanks, Matt

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An issue with the postfix_domains directory creation and the mailman start command.
by Keith Christian 10 Jul '24

10 Jul '24

From Mark's reply of Jul 5, 2024, 3:18 PM: RE: The `mailman aliases` command generates the postfix_domains and postfix_lmtp files and calls the configured postmap_command (default /usr/sbin/postmap) to create the .db files. `mailman start` also generates these files by default. 1 [mailman3@somehost ~]$ ./venv/bin/mailman start 2 Starting Mailman's master runner 3 Generating MTA alias maps 4 [mailman3@somehost ~]$ sudo ls -l /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/postfix_domains 5 ls: cannot access '/opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/postfix_domains': No such file or directory 6 [mailman3@somehost ~]$ ls -dl /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/ 7 drwxr-xr-x. 2 mailman3 mailman3 6 Jul 5 13:38 /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/ What should I do about lines 4-7? Thought it might be a permissions issue but it's owned by the correct user. Not sure that i missed any steps, suggestions appreciated.

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Dropdown problem in postorius due to bootstrap
by Greg Newby 09 Jul '24

09 Jul '24

(My first post) As has been observed, the Ubuntu 24.04 LTS packaging for native Mailman3 can be challenging. I've been solving all kinds of issues, and I'm writing here about something I've so far been unable to solve. The problem: *In Postorius, dropdown menus are not working*. I.e., as a list admin you can click on a menu option like "Users" or "Mass operations," and nothing happens. As a regular user, the top-right icon to manage settings and logout does not do anything. The same behavior occurs regardless of which browser I use. The dropdown in HyperKitty works, and HyperKitty uses a different code base. In the browser developer console (Firefox & others), the error is: “Uncaught TypeError: n.createPopper is not a function.” I've dug deeply into this. The relevant <script> is bootstrap.min.js. Postorius (via django) is using version 5.3.1 via package libjs-bootstrap5: ** This is what django is using: /usr/share/bootstrap-html/js/bootstrap.bundle.min.js -- version 5.3.1, linked to: /usr/share/javascript/bootstrap5/js/bootstrap.bundle.min.js /usr/share/python3-django-postorius/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/js/bootstrap.bundle.min.js Here is detail of the error from the Firefox developer console: Uncaught TypeError: n.createPopper is not a function _createPopper dropdown.js:241 show dropdown.js:139 toggle dropdown.js:121 <anonymous> dropdown.js:446 i event-handler.js:118 R event-handler.js:184 on event-handler.js:216 <anonymous> dropdown.js:444 <anonymous> bootstrap.bundle.min.js:6 <anonymous> bootstrap.bundle.min.js:6 By temporarily replacing /usr/share/python3-django-postorius/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/js/bootstrap.bundle.min.js I have tried moving back to 4.6.1 (from libjs-bootstrap4). I have also retrieved the latest 5.3.1 from the CDN, which is slightly different but doesn't change the error: https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/bootstrap@5.3.1/dist/js/bootstrap.bundle.min.js Here's the JavaScript section from the bottom of a sample page from my Postorius site (view-source: https://lists.ogf.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/gfsg.lists.ogf.org/held_mess… ): <script src="/mailman3/static/postorius/libs/jquery/jquery-3.6.0.min.js"></script> <script src="/mailman3/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/js/bootstrap.bundle.min.js"></script> <script src="/mailman3/static/django-mailman3/js/main.js"></script> <script src="/mailman3/static/postorius/js/script.js" defer></script> <script> // Add the .js-enabled class to the body so we can style the elements // depending on whether Javascript is enabled. $(document).ready(function(){ $("body").addClass("js-enabled"); $(".gravatar").addClass("rounded-circle"); }); </script> I would appreciate suggestions about how to solve this problem. Thanks to everyone who is doing a great job building and supporting Mailman3. I've been using Mailman2 for a long time, and have dozens of lists on multiple servers. ~ Greg Newby

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hyperkitty_import performance boosting potential
by dlb-ml＠anl.gov 09 Jul '24

09 Jul '24

Our organization is moving to MM3 from MM2, and I'm at the point where I am testing importing our archives. However, many of the lists that we want to transfer over have pretty large mbox files, so it takes a significant amount of time for it to process them. I can throw all of the resources I need at it in order to make it faster, but I'm not sure if the import application is single-threaded only. Is there a way to enable a multi-threaded option? Can I safely run multiple commands at the same time using something like /usr/bin/parallel? Thanks

2 2

E-mail every minute: "Cron <www-data@sharky5> ..."
by Robert Heller 08 Jul '24

08 Jul '24

What am I missing? I *think* I have mailman3 *mostly* setup, but there are still some configuration things that are missing, but I am not sure how to fix them (the docs are NOT clear). I am getting an e-mail *every* minute that looks like: From www-data(a)deepsoft.com Sat Jul 6 17:38:03 2024 Return-Path: <www-data(a)deepsoft.com> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-13) on sharky5.deepsoft.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-850.0 required=5.0 tests�YES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NO_RELAYS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 X-Original-To: www-data Delivered-To: www-data(a)deepsoft.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d�epsoft.com; s�epsoft.com; t20301883; bh=qGrVTBfV1NiqgxCIzSaXwoKZ0lKxKvaK56k31yXU2Sk=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=jTml1ZF+qGkmS2tcz5kgZHjOyPxeaWIQiX1mzAF3ZfZWb0ziVLxutkcej5mGapUOq PpH6ExYM1TEipMTYQ/JRY/74vz2dEpebDrZqjyY3KakxLWiyFFEb5glmQYZGvz9wr2 e5ljD0Shku4fbRoaxO7XMQCn/fmx3+D8tI/ZPbMQReceived: by sharky5.deepsoft.com (Postfix, from userid 33) id 5257D4C1296; Sat, 6 Jul 2024 17:38:03 -0400 (EDT) From: root(a)deepsoft.com (Cron Daemon) To: www-data(a)deepsoft.com Subject: Cron <www-data@sharky5> [ -f /usr/bin/django-admin ] && flock -n /var/run/mailman3-web/cron.minutely /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py runjobs minutely MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh> X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/var/www> X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin> X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=www-data> Message-Id: <20240706213803.5257D4C1296(a)sharky5.deepsoft.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 17:38:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.3 on 108.161.129.198 Status: R /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/conf.py:139: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than timeout, failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion. See https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details. warn( System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: django_mailman3.MailDomain: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. django_mailman3.Profile: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Attachment: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Email: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Favorite: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.LastView: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.MailingList: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Profile: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Tag: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Tagging: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Thread: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.ThreadCategory: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Vote: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. postorius.EmailTemplate: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the PostoriusConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. And I get this output from sudo mailman-web check --no-color : System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: django_mailman3.MailDomain: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. django_mailman3.Profile: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Attachment: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Email: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Favorite: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.LastView: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.MailingList: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Profile: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Tag: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Tagging: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Thread: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.ThreadCategory: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Vote: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. postorius.EmailTemplate: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the PostoriusConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. System check identified 14 issues (0 silenced). Again, the docs are not helpful (at least not to me). -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller(a)deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services

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Mailman 3 install questions: HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS
by heller＠deepsoft.com 07 Jul '24

07 Jul '24

I am using the debian 12 repo versions of mailman3, django, posterious, hyperkitty, and xapian: sharky5% dpkg-query -l python3-{django,django-mailman3,django-hyperkitty,django-postorius,xapian} mailman3\* | grep '^ii' ii mailman3 3.3.8-2~deb12u2 all Mailing list management system ii mailman3-doc 3.3.8-2~deb12u2 all Mailing list management system documentation ii mailman3-web 0+20200530-2.1 all Django project integrating Mailman3 Postorius and HyperKitty ii python3-django 3:3.2.19-1+deb12u1 all High-level Python web development framework ii python3-django-hyperkitty 1.3.7-1 all Web user interface to access GNU Mailman3 archives ii python3-django-mailman3 1.3.9-1 all Django library to help interaction with Mailman3 (Python 3 version) ii python3-django-postorius 1.3.8-3 all Web user interface to access GNU Mailman3 ii python3-xapian 1.4.22-1 amd64 Xapian search engine interface for Python3 Before adding the HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS options, I have this: sharky5% sudo mailman-web haystack_info --no-color --skip-checks Number of handled 1 index(es). - Model: Email by Index: <hyperkitty.search_indexes.EmailIndex object at 0x7fd0de1b0470> When I add this to /etc/mailman3/maymail_web.py (adapted from the section titled: "Setting up Fulltext search (xapian)" on https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#set-up-xapian HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { 'default': { 'PATH': "/var/lib/mailman3/web/fulltext_index", 'ENGINE': 'xapian_backend.XapianEngine' }, } I get: File "/usr/lib/python3.11/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1206, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1178, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1142, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'xapian_backend' So, do I use Xapian or not? Is something missing somewhere? Is this a documentation bug or something else? -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller(a)deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services

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Subject Munging
by Sam Darwin 06 Jul '24

06 Jul '24

Hi, We have a user who is proposing that reply messages from a mailing list should be in the following format: Re: [MM3-users] Ubuntu 24.04 upgrade notes and not [MM3-users] Re: Ubuntu 24.04 upgrade notes Their reason... is that mailman2, and other lists, used to do it that way. I myself am agnostic about the difference, and probably prefer to keep things the way mailman3 recommends. The questions are: 1. What could be explained to the user to convince them the new method is preferable. 2. Can this be customized with a Setting? (Not that we will end up modifying it. Just curious). Thanks.

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Mailman 3, postfix domains, and postgresql cannot authenticate user
by Keith Christian 05 Jul '24

05 Jul '24

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- First issue:Postfix v3.5.8 on RHEL 8. The below is from journalctl -xe: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jul 03 08:12:04 somehost.somedomain postfix/qmgr[947499]: error: open database /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/postfix_domains.db: No such file or directory Jul 03 08:12:42 somehost.somedomain postfix/smtpd[947510]: error: open database /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/postfix_domains.db: No such file or directory Jul 03 08:12:42 somehost.somedomain postfix/smtpd[947510]: error: open database /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp.db: No such file or directory I manually created the var_dir: /opt/mailman3/mm/var directory specified in the mailman.cfg file. How do I find out how to populate the postfix_domains.db files, and the postfix_lmtp.db file? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Second issue: Postgresql authentication. PostgreSQL v10.23. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have this in the active mailman3.cfg file, where xxxxxxxxxx is the same complex password in the mailman3 config file: url: postgresql://mailman3:xxxxxxxxxx@localhost/mailman3/mailman3 Same password when I created the mailman3 and mailman3web users: create role mailman3 with encrypted password 'xxxxxxxxxx '; create role mailman3web with encrypted password 'xxxxxxxxxx '; psycopg2.OperationalError: connection to server at "localhost" (127.0.0.1), port 5432 failed: FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "mailman3" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contents of the "live" mailman.cfg file, from "mailman info" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (venv) [mailman3@someserver ~]$ cat -n /opt/mailman3/var/etc/mailman.cfg 1 # /opt/mailman3/mailman.cfg 2 [paths.here] 3 var_dir: /opt/mailman3/mm/var 4 5 [mailman] 6 layout: here 7 # This address is the "site owner" address. Certain messages which must be 8 # delivered to a human, but which can't be delivered to a list owner (e.g. a 9 # bounce from a list owner), will be sent to this address. It should point to 10 # a human. 11 site_owner: user(a)example.com 12 13 [database] 14 class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase 15 ##### url: postgresql://mailman:MYPASSWORD@localhost/mailman 16 # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17 # Changed: Fri Jun 28 11:56:02 EDT 2024 18 url: postgresql://mailman3:xxxxxxxx@localhost/mailman3/mailman3 19 # Changed: Fri Jun 28 11:56:02 EDT 2024 20 # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21 22 [archiver.prototype] 23 enable: yes 24 25 # For the HyperKitty archiver. 26 [archiver.hyperkitty] 27 class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver 28 enable: yes 29 configuration: /opt/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg 30 31 [shell] 32 history_file: $var_dir/history.py 33 34 [mta] 35 incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP 36 outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver 37 lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 38 lmtp_port: 8024 39 smtp_host: localhost 40 smtp_port: 25 41 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix 42 verp_confirmations: yes 43 verp_personalized_deliveries: yes 44 verp_delivery_interval: 1 Suggestions appreciated for how to fix the postfix_domains files, and the postgres authentication isssue. ------------- Keith

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Ubuntu 24.04 upgrade notes
by Andrew Hodgson 03 Jul '24

03 Jul '24

Hi. Just thought I would write up my installation experiences on Ubuntu 24.04 following this guide as much as possible: Virtualenv Installation - Mailman Suite 3.3 documentation (mailman3.org)<https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> Ubuntu packages: I'm trying not to install dev packages on the server if possible and managed to get away with the following packages: python3-psycopg2 sassc lynx python3-venv python3-certbot-nginx postgresql exim4-daemon-light Creating the venv: python3 -m venv --system-site-packages --symlinks venv This creates the venv referencing the system packages as well which is useful as some of the dependencies for Mailman are met by the Certbot and python3-psycopg2 packages. Using Pip I installed the following packages: pip install mailman mailman-hyperkitty mailman-web Postgres: I ran into an issue with the database after running `mailman-web migrate`. This was because a newer version of Django pulled in from the above command needed some tables creating in the public schema, and from Postgres 15 (Ubuntu ships with Postgres 16) that isn't allowed by default. I solved this by making the Mailman role owner of the mailman database. I am aware of discussions around whether its best to do this or give explicit perms on the databases to allow all on the public schema, but I decided to go with this option. My Postgres commands are now: sudo -u postgres psql create database mailman; create user mailman with encrypted password '[...]'; ALTER DATABASE mailman OWNER TO mailman; Django: I ran into an issue with a newer Django installation not allowing any form submission, was getting a 403 returned due to CSRF protection failure. I resolved this by adding this line to my local Settings.py: CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS=['https://lists.domain.com'] I moved back to using Gunicorn for the backend server, the instructions on this were spot on. I've had this error before but the mailman-web compilemessages command failed because of missing msgfmt. I think I can pull this in from Ubuntu packages but may need to update installation docs with this extra package requirement. Search: I continued to use Woosh as I'm running a very low traffic site and that is what comes with Mailman-Web as part of package requirements. Thanks for the good support as always guys. Andrew.

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Mailman Ubuntu 24.04 install notes
by Andrew Hodgson 01 Jul '24

01 Jul '24

Hi. Just thought I would write up my installation experiences on Ubuntu 24.04 following this guide as much as possible: Virtualenv Installation - Mailman Suite 3.3 documentation (mailman3.org)<https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> Ubuntu packages: I'm trying not to install dev packages on the server if possible and managed to get away with the following packages: python3-psycopg2 sassc lynx python3-venv python3-certbot-nginx postgresql exim4-daemon-light Creating the venv: python3 -m venv --system-site-packages --symlinks venv This creates the venv referencing the system packages as well which is useful as some of the dependencies for Mailman are met by the Certbot and python3-psycopg2 packages. Using Pip I installed the following packages: pip install mailman mailman-hyperkitty mailman-web Postgres: I ran into an issue with the database after running `mailman-web migrate`. This was because a newer version of Django pulled in from the above command needed some tables creating in the public schema, and from Postgres 15 (Ubuntu ships with Postgres 16) that isn't allowed by default. I solved this by making the Mailman role owner of the mailman database. I am aware of discussions around whether its best to do this or give explicit perms on the databases to allow all on the public schema, but I decided to go with this option. My Postgres commands are now: sudo -u postgres psql create database mailman; create user mailman with encrypted password '[...]'; ALTER DATABASE mailman OWNER TO mailman; Django: I ran into an issue with a newer Django installation not allowing any form submission, was getting a 403 returned due to CSRF protection failure. I resolved this by adding this line to my local Settings.py: CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS=['https://lists.domain.com'] I moved back to using Gunicorn for the backend server, the instructions on this were spot on. I've had this error before but the mailman-web compilemessages command failed because of missing msgfmt. I think I can pull this in from Ubuntu packages but may need to update installation docs with this extra package requirement. Search: I continued to use Woosh as I'm running a very low traffic site and that is what comes with Mailman-Web as part of package requirements. Thanks for the good support as always guys. Andrew.

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Held messages showing a reason not in English on the Postorious
by Alan KT So (ITSC) 27 Jun '24

27 Jun '24

We just notice a held message from a user's list showing the held reason in Ukrainian, but the interface is in US English and the list's preferred language is English (USA). We could not repeat the issue. What can be the reason behind? [cid:image001.png@01DAC7B9.AF2B0400] ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: image001.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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A poll: "Delete this thread"
by Sam Darwin 26 Jun '24

26 Jun '24

Hi, If you have a locally installed mailman3 instance, could you try (as an administrator) to visit a thread in Hyperkitty and click "Delete this thread"? Does the thread get deleted, and you return to "Recently active discussions" and everything is fine? Even just a few replies would indicate a pattern. That it's usually ok, for example. I get a spinning wheel, and "Thread matching query does not exist." HyperKitty==1.3.9, PostgreSQL, Ubuntu 22.04, memcached, gunicorn.

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Problem with digests not being sent daily
by Mark 24 Jun '24

24 Jun '24

Hi, I have a problem with digests not being sent daily (periodically). Mailman 3.3.9 installed in virtualenv Enable Digests = YES Send Digest Periodically = YES Digest size threshold = 0 Cron is set and is running. An error report (below) is generated and emailed. The last line in the error report says "FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory ...". Setting the list's folder to 777 didn't help. Any clues on where to start looking for a solution would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark /////////////////////////////////////// CRON IS SET: /////////////////////////////////////// su mailman (venv) mailman:/$ crontab -e ... 5 6 * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic ... /////////////////////////////////////// CRON RUNS: /////////////////////////////////////// # tail -100 /var/log/cron.log ... 2024-06-21T06:05:01.815948+00:00 deu CRON[3105464]: (mailman) CMD (/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic) ... /////////////////////////////////////// ERROR REPORT EMAILED BY CRON: /////////////////////////////////////// Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) ^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1078, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1688, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1434, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line 783, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 33, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_digests.py", line 126, in digests maybe_send_digest_now(mlist, force=True) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/app/digests.py", line 106, in maybe_send_digest_now os.rename(mailbox_path, mailbox_dest) FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/mm/var/lists/LISTNAME.LISTDOMAIN/digest.mmdf' -> '/opt/mailman/mm/var/lists/LISTNAME.LISTDOMAIN/digest.252.14.mmdf' ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

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unique key violation because of case sensitivity of email address
by Jörg Schulz 16 Jun '24

16 Jun '24

After updating to the most recent version of mailman-web, the migrations script issued an error: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount mailman-web | Running migrations: mailman-web | Traceback (most recent call last): mailman-web | File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 89, in _execute mailman-web | return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) mailman-web | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ mailman-web | psycopg2.errors.UniqueViolation: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "account_emailaddress_user_id_email_987c8728_uniq" mailman-web | DETAIL: Key (user_id, email)=(27, John.Doe(a)mynicedomain.de) already exists. mailman-web |(...) Digging into the db, I found the duplicate to result from a duplicate entry using john.doe(a)mynicedomain.de Obviously, the process that originally created the entry, took case sensitivity literally which doesn't seem to be the case any longer for the migration script. I fixed this by removing one of the duplicates hoping no further errors will come up.... What would have been the better approach?

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running a script for the mailman-shell (to discard held messages) gives errors about a package argument for relative import
by stephan.edel＠gmx.net 16 Jun '24

16 Jun '24

Our organization has been been communicating through about a dozen mailing lists, running on mailman, with ~200 subscribers, for 15-odd years. After Debian 10 LTS ran out, I had to upgrade our organisations Debian server, forcing me into mailman3. I haven't managed, yet, to get the web interface running, so I need to do the most urgent tasks in the shell for now. I have found out that, for example, to discard all held messages from the list "motor", I need to > sudo -u list mailman shell -l motor.our-server.de and in the shell, >>> from mailman.app.moderator import handle_message >>> rdb = IListRequest(m) >>> for req in rdb.held_requests: ... if req.request_type == RequestType.held_message: ... handle_message(m, req.id, Action.discard) > commit() Now, obviously, I put these exact lines in a script, so I don't have to type it out every single time, and try to run it using > sudo -u list mailman shell -l testlist.our-server.de -r ./mm_discard_held.py but that invariably gives me ------------------------ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1657, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/cli_withlist.py", line 294, in shell r = call_name(dotted_name, m, *run_args) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 69, in call_name named_callable = find_name(dotted_name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 52, in find_name module = import_module(module_path) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.11/importlib/__init__.py", line 121, in import_module raise TypeError(msg.format(name)) TypeError: the 'package' argument is required to perform a relative import for './mm_discard_held' ------------- I've tried a PYTHONPATH=/root/bin , where mm_discard_held.py lives, as suggested. I've tried moving it to the path where the mailman binary lives, as suggested. I always get the same result. What else can I do? Thank you.

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mailman3 on Rocky 9 is not starting after an OS update and reboot
by dgoldsmith＠sans.org 12 Jun '24

12 Jun '24

We are running mailman 3.x in a venv setup using Postgresql. The mailman service hangs during startup and eventually fails with a timeout: # systemctl status mailman3 × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) Active: failed (Result: timeout) since Wed 2024-06-12 13:35:23 UTC; 11s ago Process: 1205 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=killed, signal=TERM) CPU: 1.019s Jun 12 13:33:53 <hostname> systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... Jun 12 13:35:23 <hostname>systemd[1]: mailman3.service: start operation timed out. Terminating. Jun 12 13:35:23 <hostname> systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'timeout'. Jun 12 13:35:23 <hostname> systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. Jun 12 13:35:23 <hostname> systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Consumed 1.019s CPU time. Searching I found some similar reports where it seemed to be an issue with a stale .lck lock file. But on our system: - /var/lib/mailman is empty - /opt/mailman/mm/var/locks is empty The last entries in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log is: 2024-06-12 09:23:44 -0400] [2101411] [INFO] Handling signal: term Jun 12 13:23:44 2024 (2101395) Master watcher caught SIGTERM. Exiting. [2024-06-12 13:23:44 +0000] [2101451] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 2101451) Jun 12 09:23:44 2024 (2101412) retry runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. [2024-06-12 13:23:44 +0000] [2101450] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 2101450) Jun 12 09:23:44 2024 (2101408) nntp runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. [2024-06-12 09:23:48 -0400] [2101411] [INFO] Shutting down: Master Jun 12 13:23:50 2024 (2101395) Master stopped Any help would be appreciated. Postgres appears to be up., Postfix is up, nginx is up. The web UI gives me the error: Something went wrong Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. Running "mailman version" hangs for a long time and then returns: $ mailman version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Running "mailman status" hangs for a long time and then returns: $ mailman status GNU Mailman is not running What other logs can be checked for more detail? What possible services or file/dir permissions may have had something changed by the OS updates? Thanks, David Goldsmith

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Re: Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)
by Mark Sapiro 11 Jun '24

11 Jun '24

On 6/6/24 11:22 AM, Marcus Bautze wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry, that was a wrong information in my mail . I already changed the base url to your suggestion as I wrote the mail (and forgot to change it in the mail) but i‘m getting the same error :-( I have some questions. At https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… you say "Thank you, archiver is now starting. Now there's another problem:". Does this mean messages are being archived in HyperKitty or are they accumulating in (I think the Debian path is) /var/lib/mailman/archives/hyperkitty/spool/? At https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… you say "The Keys are in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and mailman-web.py and this are the same Keys." To be clear, in mailman-web.py the key is quoted and in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg it is not. E.g., in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg api_key: Some_key and in mailman-web.py MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'Some_key' What are your versions for mailman-hyperkitty and HyperKitty? HyperKitty >= 1.3.5 is incompatible with mailman-hyperkitty < 1.2.0 and if I recall corectly, at least one Debian package was shipped with this incompatibility -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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To have mailman3 start at boot, trying to configure the systemd mailman3.service unit, but having issues
by Keith Christian 10 Jun '24

10 Jun '24

Hello, mailman list: Trying to add the mailman3.service unit so that mailman3 will start on system boots/reboots. Seeing different behavior with the mailman3.service unit commands vs. with the "/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman" command line. Everyone on this list is more experienced than I with reading systemd error messages and Python code, so your ideas are appreciated. I am using letters and numbers to navigate the six screenshots in this email, I hope this is helpful, without being too much info. Running the following OS and Python versions. Mailman was installed with "pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary" per the virtual environment instructions: (venv) [keithchristian@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/redhat-release AlmaLinux release 9.4 (Seafoam Ocelot) (venv) [keithchristian@localhost ~]$ python3 -V Python 3.9.18 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To begin: here is the current mailman3.service unit file, taken from the "Starting Mailman automatically" portion of: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html, with all /opt/mailman/ paths set to /opt/mailman3/ for my sandbox system. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A 1 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service A 2 [Unit] A 3 Description=GNU Mailing List Manager A 4 After=syslog.target network.target postgresql.service A 5 A 6 [Service] A 7 Type=forking A 8 PIDFile=/opt/mailman3/mm/var/master.pid A 9 User=mailman3 A 10 Group=mailman3 A 11 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start A 12 ExecReload=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman restart A 13 ExecStop=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman stop A 14 A 15 [Install] A 16 WantedBy=multi-user.target ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below in line B-6, systemd thinks mailman isn't running, but with the "/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman" commands, line B-2 says it is. I could be misinterpreting the systemd output, however. Python not happy about some directories. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- B 1 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman status B 2 GNU Mailman is running (master pid: 10004) B 3 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl status mailman3.service B 4 mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager B 5 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) B 6 Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2024-06-08 09:35:57 MDT; 7min ago B 7 Process: 10342 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) B 8 CPU: 762ms B 9 B 10 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist B 11 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: makedirs(directory) B 12 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs B 13 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: os.makedirs(path, mode) B 14 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs B 15 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: mkdir(name, mode) B 16 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' B 17 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE B 18 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. B 19 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below, we stop mailman with the command line and check status with systemd. C-1, C-2, show stopped. I'd think systemctl status should show stopped but it doesn't. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C 1 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman stop C 2 Shutting down Mailman's master runner C 3 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl status mailman3.service C 4 mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager C 5 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) C 6 Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2024-06-08 09:35:57 MDT; 8min ago C 7 Process: 10342 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) C 8 CPU: 762ms C 9 C 10 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist C 11 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: makedirs(directory) C 12 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs C 13 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: os.makedirs(path, mode) C 14 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs C 15 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: mkdir(name, mode) C 16 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' C 17 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE C 18 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. C 19 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below, we start mailman, the "/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman" command line works, D-1 through D-5. Line D-6, the systemd status command (erroneously) shows otherwise. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D 1 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start D 2 Starting Mailman's master runner D 3 Generating MTA alias maps D 4 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman status D 5 GNU Mailman is running (master pid: 10457) D 6 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl status mailman3.service D 7 mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager D 8 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) D 9 Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2024-06-08 09:35:57 MDT; 10min ago D 10 Process: 10342 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) D 11 CPU: 762ms D 12 D 13 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist D 14 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: makedirs(directory) D 15 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs D 16 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: os.makedirs(path, mode) D 17 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs D 18 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: mkdir(name, mode) D 19 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' D 20 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE D 21 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. D 22 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- E 1 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman status E 2 GNU Mailman is running (master pid: 10457) E 3 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman stop E 4 Shutting down Mailman's master runner E 5 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start E 6 Starting Mailman's master runner E 7 Generating MTA alias maps E 8 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl status mailman3.service E 9 mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager E 10 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) E 11 Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2024-06-08 09:35:57 MDT; 2h 21min ago E 12 Process: 10342 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) E 13 CPU: 762ms E 14 E 15 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist E 16 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: makedirs(directory) E 17 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs E 18 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: os.makedirs(path, mode) E 19 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs E 20 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: mkdir(name, mode) E 21 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' E 22 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE E 23 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. E 24 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. E 25 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl stop mailman3.service E 26 ==== AUTHENTICATING FOR org.freedesktop.systemd1.manage-units ==== E 27 Authentication is required to stop 'mailman3.service'. E 28 Multiple identities can be used for authentication: E 29 1. keith christian (keithchristian) E 30 2. mailman3 E 31 Choose identity to authenticate as (1-2): 2 E 32 Password: E 33 ==== AUTHENTICATION COMPLETE ==== E 34 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl status mailman3.service E 35 mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager E 36 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) E 37 Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2024-06-08 09:35:57 MDT; 2h 21min ago E 38 Process: 10342 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) E 39 CPU: 762ms E 40 E 41 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist E 42 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: makedirs(directory) E 43 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs E 44 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: os.makedirs(path, mode) E 45 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs E 46 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: mkdir(name, mode) E 47 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' E 48 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE E 49 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. E 50 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. E 51 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl start mailman3.service E 52 ==== AUTHENTICATING FOR org.freedesktop.systemd1.manage-units ==== E 53 Authentication is required to start 'mailman3.service'. E 54 Multiple identities can be used for authentication: E 55 1. keith christian (keithchristian) E 56 2. mailman3 E 57 Choose identity to authenticate as (1-2): 2 E 58 Password: E 59 ==== AUTHENTICATION COMPLETE ==== E 60 Job for mailman3.service failed because the control process exited with error code. E 61 See "systemctl status mailman3.service" and "journalctl -xeu mailman3.service" for details. E 62 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ journalctl -xeu mailman3.service|tail -20 E 63 Defined-By: systemd E 64 Support: https://wiki.almalinux.org/Help-and-Support E 65 E 66 An ExecStart= process belonging to unit mailman3.service has exited. E 67 E 68 The process' exit code is 'exited' and its exit status is 1. E 69 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. E 70 Subject: Unit failed E 71 Defined-By: systemd E 72 Support: https://wiki.almalinux.org/Help-and-Support E 73 E 74 The unit mailman3.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code'. E 75 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. E 76 Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has failed E 77 Defined-By: systemd E 78 Support: https://wiki.almalinux.org/Help-and-Support E 79 E 80 A start job for unit mailman3.service has finished with a failure. E 81 E 82 The job identifier is 9400 and the job result is failed. E 83 E 84 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ journalctl -xeu mailman3.service|grep -a "Jun 08 11:5[0-9]:[0-9][0-9]" E 85 Jun 08 11:58:51 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... E 86 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: Traceback (most recent call last): E 87 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> E 88 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.9', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) E 89 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ E 90 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) E 91 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main E 92 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: E 93 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context E 94 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: self.parse_args(ctx, args) E 95 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args E 96 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) E 97 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args E 98 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) E 99 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result E 100 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: value = self.process_value(ctx, value) E 101 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value E 102 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) E 103 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config E 104 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: initialize(value) E 105 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 228, in initialize E 106 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: initialize_1(config_path) E 107 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 122, in initialize_1 E 108 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: mailman.config.config.load(config_path) E 109 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 141, in load E 110 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: self._post_process() E 111 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 163, in _post_process E 112 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: self.ensure_directories_exist() E 113 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist E 114 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: makedirs(directory) E 115 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs E 116 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: os.makedirs(path, mode) E 117 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs E 118 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: mkdir(name, mode) E 119 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' E 120 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE E 121 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. E 122 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. E 123 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For the PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' in Line E-119 above, every /var/tamplates directory except the last one has write permissions for mailman3, I doubt that the "/home/keithchristian/var/templates directory" had been tried. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- F 1 1716996947 drwxr-xr-x. 2 mailman3 mailman3 6 May 29 09:35 /opt/mailman3/var/templates F 2 1716999414 drwxr-xr-x. 2 mailman3 mailman3 6 May 29 10:16 /opt/mailman3/mailman_install_documentation_edits/var/templates F 3 1717774226 drwxr-xr-x. 2 mailman3 mailman3 6 Jun 7 09:30 /opt/mailman3/venv/var/templates F 4 1717779523 drwxr-xr-x. 2 keithchristian keithchristian 6 Jun 7 10:58 /home/keithchristian/var/templates ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- END OF MAILMAN INSTALL ISSUES SCREENSHOTS -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Email to list owner on list creation only sent when using mailman create --notify command
by Perry Kollmorgen 10 Jun '24

10 Jun '24

Hi, This is only a minor issue, however as a nicety for new list owners I am hoping there is work around or something I have missed. I have the following file: templates/domains/<fqdn_listname/en/domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt When I use the mailman create command with the --notify option the new owners receives an email with the correct template info from the above file. However when I use mailmanclient python bindings or Postorius to create an list, there is no email sent. Is there an option to include a notify option when using mailmanclient or the API direct perhaps ? Or even maybe a way to trigger a notification manually at some point once the list is completely setup including both short and long descriptions ? Thank you. Regards, Perry

2 2

Digests not working correctly
by Joel Lord 08 Jun '24

08 Jun '24

So I seem to have problems with both periodic AND size-triggered digests. Size first, this is simpler. Just got one sent out, clearly triggered by a new email getting added to the queued up messages, but the setting for the list is the default 30KB and the digest came out at 23.2 KB. Is it measuring the accumulated queue as size on disk including metadata and filesystem block sizes or something, rather than the size of what the emailed digest will be? Periodic is much more complicated, even to explain. I have the cron job running nightly at 11:00 PM and it certainly seems to be working, except for one really odd thing. The list also definitely has periodic digests enabled in the web UI. This is a very bursty list, so it will go mad with traffic for a few weeks and then will go mostly idle for a month or so. The first digest of a burst is definitely size-triggered, but pretty reliably it has the last few messages from the previous burst in there. So the one I got today had three messages from today and one message from May 4th. But that May 4th message should have gone out at 11:00 PM on May 4th with the daily digest and then gotten flushed from the pending digest queue, right? -- Joel Lord

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Using the API to create nonmembers with a different moderation action than the list default
by Perry Kollmorgen 08 Jun '24

08 Jun '24

Hi, My next challenge is to script the setup of a bunch of nonmembers who have a moderation action of accept (or maybe defer) whilst the list itself has a nonmember action of hold. This is due to a relatively heavy use of nested lists, and have a fair number of people who might possibly send to all lists, and are important enough they wouldn't want to be manually allowed each time even if it only once. When using the mailmanclient python bindings I have worked out I can add nonmembers with something like: mailing_list.add_role('nonmember', 'nonmember(a)yourdomain.com', display_name='Non Member') However I can't see anything in the mailmanclient docs which suggest it is possible to configure a member_moderation_action or moderation_action field for that member. I assume I'll need to fall back to using the REST API directly, and most likely something along these lines: 1/ Obtain the member ID for an email address of someone who already been added as a nonmember. 2/ Patch an endpoint which looks something like: /members/{member_id} I'm not able to use the mailman binary (e.g mailman shell) on the mailman-core host itself as I would like to query an existing database of people and reach out to a mailman endpoint from the database host rather than opening that host up to further network access. I figured it might be a good stage in which to ask for a little help and pointers before I continue, perhaps there is something I have missed for a better way to approach this. Thanks. Regards, Perry

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Trying to save a new style
by Perry Kollmorgen 07 Jun '24

07 Jun '24

Dear Mailman-users list, I have embarked on project to stand up a Mailman3 instance for general staff email announcements and a small number of adhoc lists. I have a fair amount up and working using Docker and Postfix, with generally emails to/from lists working well, as well as the web interface. One of the reasons I've used Mailman3 is the API and mailman shell options which I'm slowly trying to wrap my head around, but having some progress. I have a question for the moment on something which has stumped me, and whilst I may have more questions as I continue on this implementation, I am hopeful someone can point out where I am going wrong on this. Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyleManager >>> manager = getUtility(IStyleManager) >>> >>> for style in manager.styles: ... print(style.name) ... legacy-announce legacy-default private-default >>> >>> >>> from zope.interface import implementer >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyle >>> @implementer(IStyle) ... class TestStyle: ... name = 'AB-Announce-Style' ... description = 'AB Announce mailing list style.' ... def apply(self, mailing_list): ... mailing_list.admin_immed_notify = true ... mailing_list.admin_notify_mchanges = true ... mailing_list.advertised = false ... mailing_list.allow_list_posts = false ... mailing_list.anonymous_list = false ... mailing_list.archive_policy = "private" ... mailing_list.archive_rendering_mode = "markdown" ... mailing_list.collapse_alternatives = false ... mailing_list.convert_html_to_plaintext = false ... mailing_list.default_member_action = "defer" ... mailing_list.default_nonmember_action = "hold" ... mailing_list.digest_send_periodic = false ... mailing_list.digests_enabled = false ... mailing_list.emergency = false ... mailing_list.include_rfc2369_headers = true ... mailing_list.max_message_size = 40000 ... mailing_list.max_num_recipients = 30 ... mailing_list.member_roster_visibility = "moderators" ... mailing_list.send_goodbye_message = true ... mailing_list.send_welcome_message = true ... mailing_list.subscription_policy = "moderate" ... mailing_list.unsubscription_policy = "moderate" ... >>> manager.register(TestStyle()) >>> >>> commit() >>> >>> for style in manager.styles: ... print(style.name) ... AB-Announce-Style legacy-announce legacy-default private-default So at this point the style has been registered, however it doesn't look to save this permanently. When I quit the shell and log back in, it only shows the original 3 styles. Nor can I see the style from the web interface. Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyleManager >>> manager = getUtility(IStyleManager) >>> >>> for style in manager.styles: ... print(style.name) ... legacy-announce legacy-default private-default >>> Is there a way to save this style permanently ? Thank you for any assistance you can provide. Regards, PerryK

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Mailman3 memory footprint
by Marc SCHAEFER 06 Jun '24

06 Jun '24

Hello, It seems the mailman & mailman-web memory footprint are somewhat big. It looks a lot of instances are started. I have seen this: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1050 and added this to the end of /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py: Q_CLUSTER = { 'workers': 2, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', 'poll': 5, } However, it does not seem to really reduce the memory footprint. Any other suggestions? Thank you.

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Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)
by marcus＠mbautze.de 06 Jun '24

06 Jun '24

Hello, i already send this question to the plesk-forum but it seems that nobody there can help me :-( After updating from Debian 10 to 11 to 12, I now have mailman3 running on my server I then converted all lists from Mailman2 to Mailman3 following the instructions from mailman. I can access it via the web interface, manage everything etc. When I register on the web interface, I also receive the corresponding mails from Mailman (forgotten password...) Mails are also arriving, at least mails that are not allowed go into the mails to be approved. The problem, however, is that it does not send out any mails, nor do they appear in the archive. When I look in the Mailman-Log I find: May 16 01:44:55 2024 (6833) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 May 16 01:48:15 2024 (61252) error opening connection to nntp_host: localhost [Errno 111] Connection refused May 16 01:48:15 2024 (61252) NNTP error for list vereinsmitglieder(a)ludothek.de: [Errno 111] Connection refused The configuration of Mailman.cfg looks like this: incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 smtp_user: smtp_pass: lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 In Mailman manuals I find hints that the transport routes have to be added to the Postfix-config. Doesn't Debian/Plesk do this automatically? Does anyone else have an idea what I need to change to get my mails out? I did the conversion from mailman2 to mailman3 with root because it didn't work with "sudo -u list "m, but the files stored in the file system all belong to list, so that shouldn't be the problem.

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Sending to mangled 'From' addresses.
by hansen 05 Jun '24

05 Jun '24

All, Due to the DMARC mitigation action ‘Replace From: with list address’, it happens often on my lists that someone sends a message to a mangled address, hoping that the message goes to the person listed as the sender. This happens mostly because the mail clients collect previous addresses and use them when as type-ahead candidates for new messages, which may be unrelated to the lists. For example, say the mail client captures my address as “Allan Hansen via <listname>” <listaddress> then later, when the person wants to send a message to me, the type-ahead puts this string in the ’To:’ field: “Allan Hansen via <listname>” and, to make it worse, the actual email address, <listaddress>, is often hidden. The result is that the email gets sent to the list instead of to me, together with (often) personal and (sometimes) embarrassing information. Is there a way to reject messages sent to recipients where the name part of the recipient is of the above format, i.e., "Allan Hansen via <listname>" In other words, filtering is done on the name part of the recipient, not the address part. Should I get onto the other list to request this as an enhancement? Yours, Allan

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Sign and encrypt e-mail responses
by Markus Grandpré 04 Jun '24

04 Jun '24

Dear List, is it possible to sign and encrypt all e-mail responses from the Mailman3 server with a digital certificate? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Recently active discussions - Hyperkitty
by Sam Darwin 04 Jun '24

04 Jun '24

Hi, Sometimes not sure if it's preferable to open a gitlab issue, or chat on the mailing list. I have run a large archive import into mailman3/hyperkitty. After that's done, waited a day, for scheduled cron jobs to complete. In "All Threads", all the email archives are present. The import worked. In "RECENTLY ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS" on the main page, it says: RECENTLY ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS No discussions this month (yet). Nothing there. That means if I direct users to visit the site, the page, it appears empty. That's too bad. :-) It should display recent emails. What would affect this feature during an archive import? Is it a problem with the import script itself, or with a scheduled cron job, or something else? Would you expect "Recently active discussions" be empty when very recent archives do exist? Thanks, Sam

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import21 detailed usage instructions in 2024
by Keith Christian 03 Jun '24

03 Jun '24

1 Soon, I will be executing the first test imports from Mailman2.1 to Mailman3.9. 2 Planning to copy over the entire production Mailman2.1 to a new directory structure on the Mailman 3.9 machine. 3 Expecting that all .mbox and .pkl files will be present and no special work has to be done to bring them over will a "full" mailman2.1 copy. 4 Can the import21 program find the mailman2.1 .mbox and .pkl files on its own and process them? 5 Other than the mailman2.1 instance being shut down, any other prep that needs to be done? 6 Any special command line parameters to be aware of for import21? 7 Is there a list of troubleshooting steps for commonly encountered migration issues? Thanks. ------------------ Keith

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import21 caused a few mails to be sent out
by Marc SCHAEFER 02 Jun '24

02 Jun '24

Hello, After importing a (big > 3000 subscribers) list with import21, I noticed the following: 36 mails went out from LIST-NAME-bounces to subscribers, but they apparently all bounced. Could those be subscribers that Mailman2 saw bouncing and added the appropriate flag, and Mailman3 sent a probe after the import21? I checked for one of the e-mail address and: Mailman2: - that e-mail has the [X] R flag for "noncourriel" (no delivery) Mailman3: - that e-mail is Delivery mode Regular, Bounces to 0 NB: in MM2 and MM3, all users are in Hold for moderation, that's normal. In addition, there are a few mails in /var/lib/mailman/messages for example that same user: one file, showing a bounce from a remote server. So my questions: 1) is this behaviour to "probe" already disabled addresses normal, and not "port over" the "don't deliver"? 2) why are those messages held in messages/ ? 3) should I then, before running import21, clean the MM2 installation of all those users with [X] R flag? If yes, is there a simple command? Thank you for pointers or help. PS: there was no trafic on that imported mailing-list yet, it's a test.

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Mailman sending email from user@example.com
by dgoldsmith＠sans.org 30 May '24

30 May '24

I have defined an additional SITE in django and the SITE_ID value in /etc/mailman3/settings.py is set to reference that site's ID value. Messages for a list being distributed that are generating certain bounce errors are resulting in email from Mailman 3.x being sent to the list owners from the address user(a)example.com. Is there something else to update in the settings files, Django or the database to make it use the list owner email address tied to the domain of the site? Thanks, David Goldsmith

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Have postgresql in the mailman.cfg file but sqlite shows in the mailman info command
by Keith Christian 29 May '24

29 May '24

(venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.18 (main, Jan 24 2024, 00:00:00) [GCC 11.4.1 20231218 (Red Hat 11.4.1-3)] config file: /opt/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////opt/mailman3/var/data/mailman.db <<<---------------------------------------- devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass Class and url were commented out in the mailman.cfg file, did not recognize postgresql but generated a trace (venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ grep postgresql /opt/mailman3/mailman.cfg # class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase # url: postgresql://mailman:MYPASSWORD@localhost/mailman Uncommented class and url: class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase <<<---------------------------------------- url: postgresql://mailman:MYPASSWORD@localhost/mailman <<<---------------------------------------- Now I get a stack trace from "mailman info" (venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ mailman info Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.9', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context self.parse_args(ctx, args) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result value = self.process_value(ctx, value) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config initialize(value) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 228, in initialize initialize_1(config_path) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 122, in initialize_1 mailman.config.config.load(config_path) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 145, in load self.push(filename, user_config.read()) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 150, in push self._config.push(config_name, config_string) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/lazr/config/_config.py", line 582, in push confs = self._getExtendedConfs(conf_name, conf_data) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/lazr/config/_config.py", line 615, in _getExtendedConfs _parser_read_file(parser, StringIO(conf_data), conf_filename) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/lazr/config/_config.py", line 49, in _parser_read_file parser.read_file(f, source) File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/configparser.py", line 718, in read_file self._read(f, source) File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/configparser.py", line 1085, in _read raise MissingSectionHeaderError(fpname, lineno, line) configparser.MissingSectionHeaderError: File contains no section headers. file: '/opt/mailman3/mailman.cfg', line: 14 <<<---------------------------------------- 'class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase\n' Here is the complete mailman.cfg file: 1 # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg 2 # [paths.here] 3 # var_dir: /opt/mailman/mm/var 4 # 5 # [mailman] 6 # layout: here 7 # # This address is the "site owner" address. Certain messages which must be 8 # # delivered to a human, but which can't be delivered to a list owner (e.g. a 9 # # bounce from a list owner), will be sent to this address. It should point to 10 # # a human. 11 # site_owner: user(a)example.com 12 # 13 # [database] 14 # class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase 15 # url: postgresql://mailman:MYPASSWORD@localhost/mailman 16 # 17 # [archiver.prototype] 18 # enable: yes 19 # 20 # # For the HyperKitty archiver. 21 # [archiver.hyperkitty] 22 # class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver 23 # enable: yes 24 # configuration: /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg 25 # 26 # [shell] 27 # history_file: $var_dir/history.py 28 # 29 # [mta] 30 # verp_confirmations: yes 31 # verp_personalized_deliveries: yes 32 # verp_delivery_interval: 1 33 # Ideas? Thanks.

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Django administration - User permissions
by advorkin＠cs.princeton.edu 29 May '24

29 May '24

Hello, I'm trying to setup users with different permissions. For example: I created a group support with an ability to hyperkitty/mailing list/Can add/change/delete/view mailing list. Unfortunately, the user still does not have an ability to create mailing lists as the option does not exist. It does work when the user is set as "Superuser status". I've also tried giving every possible "available user permissions", but it didn't make a difference. Am I missing something? Thank you!

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Installing Mailman3 under a Python Virtual environment running on RHEL9
by Andy Macheta 29 May '24

29 May '24

Hi, So tried, without much success, to get Postorius working on my Mailman3 server and every internet trick& tip I tried did not work so decided to take a new approach as recommended at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Used this reference: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-depe… which I know is more for Debian/Ubuntu systems but I was hoping that 90%+ would also work with Red Hat. Fell at the first hurdle with no packages available called "python3-dev" or "python3-venv" Is there anyone that has managed to install a running version of Mailman3 that has a working GUI whether it is on bare metal or Python virtual environment and if so, could they kindly let me know how they did it?? The closest I've come is a running command line version of Mailman3 which is fine for me of course but not for anyone else as they like access via web browser. Thanks in advance, Andy Macheta

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Circumstances in which a subscriber is added to Pending Confirmation list
by David Owen 28 May '24

28 May '24

Hi I wondered if anybody would be able to assist me in my understanding of the Pending Confirmation list, please. In our Mailman mailing list, our Member Policy settings for both Subscription Policy and Un-subscription Policy are set to Open. Therefore we don't require subscribers to confirm their subscription after they submit a request to join our mailing list. Despite this, a number of subscribers seem to be arriving in the Pending Confirmation (Subscriptions pending user confirmation) list. Others correctly arrive in the Members list, as we would expect. All subscription requests are made by the subscriber sending an email to our "join" email address with the subject "subscribe". I've looked at the settings carefully and can't seem to see any that may cause the above behaviour at any time (although I may have missed something of course). Therefore, does anybody know the circumstances in which subscribers to an open mailing list may somehow arrive in the Pending Confirmation list? If I could understand the cause(s) I could then consider ways to manage it or prevent it from happening. Our Mailman installation is hosted centrally in a large organisation so we while we can alter our mailing list's settings in Postorious, we can't alter the source code or similar, so we don't have great room for manoeuvre. Our Postorius version is 1.3.6. Thanks and regards David

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FYI: "RuntimeError: command failure: /usr/sbin/postmap /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp, 1, Operation not permitted"
by Nils 27 May '24

27 May '24

After mailman was running so well I was wondering if I really need the restart option in the service configuration. When I commented it out, I got this error a few weeks later: > # systemctl status mailman3 > × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager > Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; > vendor preset: enabled) > Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2024-05-14 00:34:37 > CEST; 1 week 6 days ago > Process: 1159 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) > CPU: 6.933s > > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: return > f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", > line 109, in start > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: > call_name(config.mta.incoming).regenerate() > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", > line 136, in regenerate > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: raise > RuntimeError(NL.join(errors)) > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: RuntimeError: command > failure: /usr/sbin/postmap /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp, 1, > Operation not permitted > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control > process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE > May 14 00:34:37 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with > result 'exit-code'. > May 14 00:34:37 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing > List Manager. > May 14 00:34:37 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Consumed > 6.933s CPU time. I can only guess that the error might be some case of very bad timing, because there shouldn't be any problem with the mentioned call. > # su mailman > (venv) mailman@SERVER:/$ /usr/sbin/postmap > /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp Usually works fine. I re-enabled the lines in the server configuration: > Restart=on-failure > RestartSec=15

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Automatic migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm)
by schaefer＠alphanet.ch 25 May '24

25 May '24

Hello, I already have some success in auto-migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm), using a new container (not upgrading the existing installation, which is obsolete e.g. 32 bit x86). I am doing this using custom scripts. The idea being to be able to import most of the existing configuration and archives, let the list administrators test the new system, and progressively advertise this to users. Then, the old container will be disabled. The basic stuff works (From: domain is OK, HTTP transport works, mail go out, etc) I however bumped into the following problem: How may I automatically (from the command line) replace the example.com which is displayed in the web interface and in the From: comment field of the e-mails (the address itself is OK) -- I only found documentation about changing through the GUI so far. Any pointer? Also, I have a question: if I import my 2.1 config for each ml, will DKIM work-arounds work (e.g. replace This User <user@domain> by This User user@domain <the-mailing-list>) ? Will Mailman 2.1 it required some config changes and also I had to modify mailman using a Debian diversion, AFAIR. Thank you for any input.

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Where should Postfix, Django, Hyperkitty, Postorius, Dart-Sass, etc. be installed if MM3 is in a python virtual environment?
by Keith Christian 25 May '24

25 May '24

Greetings, Mailman3 List ! mailman3 was installed into the below virtual environment: (venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary Should, or must, any of Django, Hyperkitty, Postorius, Dart-Sass, or any other supporting programs be installed into this virtual environment ? PostgreSQL and Postfix have been successfully installed outside of the mailman3 virtual environment and start properly, I assume this is correct. Thanks in advance. ---- Keith

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Congrats & MM3 Development Plans Request - Take 2
by David Wilson 23 May '24

23 May '24

Liang Liu; Congratulations on securing your Summer of Code project with MM3. As someone who is quite interested in the Mailman3 development plans, I tried to follow the link you provided but with no success. It timed out. Is that still a valid or the best link? Can you also please point me to the best source or site to get a general understanding of short and long term *MM3 development plans*, including various upcoming GSOC projects, including yours. Thank you very much in advance. Best regards. Dave Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: qL0JVbh9Fk99UcFT.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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[GSoC] Self-introduction Liu
by Liang Liu 21 May '24

21 May '24

Hello everyone, I’m Liang Liu, a GSoC student this year. I will be responsible for using the publish-subscribe model to improve communication efficiency between the core and clients. The detail of this function is shown in the link below. https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202024#Support_for_RE… I am excited to learn from all of you and share my experiences. Please feel free to reach out to me for any collaboration or discussion—I am keen to contribute and learn as much as I can. Hope we have a productive summer.

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List Configuration Attribute Descriptions
by steve.bachinsky＠tena-sda.org 20 May '24

20 May '24

Where does one obtain a complete and concise description for all of the list configuration attributes? From the documentation, it is shown that the REST "config" interface will provide all of the attribute values associated with a particular list. But how does one find a concise description for all of these attributes? For example, I see that there is a list attribute for "default_nonmember_action" and there are two documentation pages for this attribute, but I can't find a concise description of the attribute and the permitted values. Thanks, Steve

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Cloned mailman3 from the gitlab site, having issues locating the mailman3 file to start it
by Keith Christian 20 May '24

20 May '24

The path to the mailman3.py file is: /home/mailman3/mailman/src/mailman/bin/mailman.py I created a mailman3 user, then, set the ownership on all directories and files in /home/mailman3 and below to mailman3:mailman3. When trying to run the "mailman info" command to verify that that mailman3 can start, I get this error: File "/home/mailman3/mailman/src/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 22 in <module> from mailman.command.cli_help import help as help command Not sure what is going on here, help greatly appreciated.

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When QQ email sends emails to the Mailman service set up by oneself, members of the list who use QQ email cannot receive the emails, and it shows that the emails are rejected.
by rqchen＠cnic.cn 11 May '24

11 May '24

When QQ email sends emails to the Mailman service set up by oneself, members of the list who use QQ email cannot receive the emails, and it shows that the emails are rejected.

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cnic-20240510
by 陈汝祈 10 May '24

10 May '24

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Change Dmark settings via command line
by bob B 08 May '24

08 May '24

I need to set all the DMARC settings on are lists to "replace from with list address". Is there an easy want to do this via cli? I could do it by viewing the web interface but we have a lot of lists.

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Deleting A List
by Odhiambo Washington 04 May '24

04 May '24

I have deleted a list (list(a)nog.ke) - list_id = list.nog.ke. I can see from Django Admin UI that the archives are still intact. I created a new list (list(a)lists.nog.ke) - list_id = list.lists.nog.ke Is there a way to move the archives from the old list to the new list? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Welcome message template errors
by Mark 01 May '24

01 May '24

Hi All I'm getting errors when a custom "Welcome message" template is in place [list:user:notice:welcome]. Case: Subscribing a new user via the admin "Mass subscribe". Although the new user is successfully subscribed, a welcome message is not sent and the following error message displays on the webpage. === HTTP Error 400: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) === And the site-owner receives an email with ... ==== Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/ DoesNotExist at /mailman3/lists/ Site matching query does not exist. Request Method: GET Request URL: http://<REDACTED-PUBLIC-IPv4-ADDRESS>/mailman3/lists/ Django Version: 4.2.11 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 Python Version: 3.11.2 ... etc ... === Regarding the second line in the email - my thinking is that it should be looking in "/opt/mailman/mm/var/lists" and not "/mailman3/lists/". If that's right, where would I look to change that directive? If not, any other clues would be greatly appreciated. The error doesn't occur if the is no custom "Welcome message" template - ie. the user is sent the default welcome message. $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/

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Re: [MM3-users off list] Re: Welcome message template errors
by Mark 29 Apr '24

29 Apr '24

>> So, I'm thinking (in broad brush strokes) that if I'm stuck with this >> "http glitch" I could write a script to: >> >> 1. extract the text of the custom message from the database, >> 2. write that message text to a file >> 3. update the templates.uri entries to replace the >> http://localhost... with file:///path/to/file >> 4. cron the script to run every few minutes. >> >> It screams of utter clunk I know... > but it would work. > > Note that this may not be as big an issue as it seems. It doesn't > affect all templates, for example list:member:digest:footer, > list:member:digest:header, list:member:digest:masthead, > list:member:regular:footer, list:member:regular:header and > list:member:generic:footer are only used by the `out` runner when > sending messages, so these aren't affected. Right. Affected are all the "list:user:notice:***" (eg. goodbye, hold, reject,...) > > I'm still trying to determine what the issue is. To this end can you > tell me what Python version your Mailman uses and what is the output > from `pip freeze` with your venv active? $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0] $ pip freeze aiosmtpd==1.4.4.post2 alembic==1.13.1 arrow==1.3.0 asgiref==3.7.2 atpublic==4.0 attrs==23.2.0 authheaders==0.16.2 authres==1.2.0 blessed==1.20.0 certifi==2023.11.17 cffi==1.16.0 charset-normalizer==3.3.2 click==8.1.7 cmarkgfm==2024.1.14 cryptography==42.0.1 defusedxml==0.7.1 Django==4.2.11 django-allauth==0.60.1 django-appconf==1.0.6 django-compressor==4.4 django-extensions==3.2.3 django-gravatar2==1.4.4 django-haystack==3.2.1 django-mailman3==1.3.12 django-picklefield==3.1 django-q==1.3.9 djangorestframework==3.14.0 dkimpy==1.1.5 dnspython==2.5.0 docutils==0.20.1 falcon==3.1.3 filelock==3.13.1 flufl.bounce==4.0 flufl.i18n==5.0.2 flufl.lock==8.0.2 greenlet==3.0.3 gunicorn==21.2.0 HyperKitty==1.3.9 idna==3.6 lazr.config==3.0 lazr.delegates==2.1.0 mailman==3.3.9 mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1 mailman-web==0.0.9 mailmanclient==3.3.5 Mako==1.3.0 MarkupSafe==2.1.4 mistune==3.0.2 networkx==3.2.1 nh3==0.2.15 oauthlib==3.2.2 packaging==23.2 passlib==1.7.4 postorius==1.3.10 psutil==5.9.8 psycopg2-binary==2.9.9 publicsuffix2==2.20191221 pycparser==2.21 Pygments==2.17.2 PyJWT==2.8.0 python-dateutil==2.8.2 python3-openid==3.2.0 pytz==2023.3.post1 rcssmin==1.1.1 readme-renderer==42.0 redis==3.5.3 requests==2.31.0 requests-oauthlib==1.3.1 rjsmin==1.2.1 robot-detection==0.4 six==1.16.0 SQLAlchemy==2.0.25 sqlparse==0.4.4 types-python-dateutil==2.8.19.20240106 typing_extensions==4.9.0 urllib3==2.1.0 wcwidth==0.2.13 Whoosh==2.7.4 xapian @ file:///opt/mailman/xapian-1.4.24-cp311-cp311-linux_aarch64.whl xapian-haystack==3.1.0 zope.component==6.0 zope.configuration==5.0 zope.event==5.0 zope.hookable==6.0 zope.i18nmessageid==6.1.0 zope.interface==6.1 zope.schema==7.0.1

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Mailman with Python 3.12
by Andrew Hodgson 26 Apr '24

26 Apr '24

Hi. What's the latest on Mailman with Python 3.12? Looking at Ubuntu 24.04 upgrade plans and realised it comes with Python 3.12. Ubuntu are shipping Mailman packages from Debian so not sure if they have made any changes to make Python 3.12 work. I don't use those packages myself. Andrew.

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mailman3-web and the django middleware problem
by Thomas Stein 26 Apr '24

26 Apr '24

Howdy! I'm trying to migrate an aged mailman3 installation from ubuntu 20.04 to ubuntu 22.04. Fresh install of mailman3-web gives me: Creating config file /etc/dbconfig-common/mailman3-web.conf with new version creating database mailman3web.db: success. verifying database mailman3web.db exists: success. Creating config file /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py with new version /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/conf.py:174: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than t imeout,failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion.See https://django-q2.readthedocs.io/en/maste r/configure.html#retry for details. warn( Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/django-admin", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('Django==4.2.11', 'console_scripts', 'django-admin')()) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 442, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 416, in execute django.setup() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/__init__.py", line 24, in setup apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/apps/registry.py", line 124, in populate app_config.ready() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/apps.py", line 15, in ready raise ImproperlyConfigured( django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE dpkg: error processing package mailman3-web (--configure): installed mailman3-web package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: mailman3-web needrestart is being skipped since dpkg has failed E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I've already seen this thread: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… ...but that does not get me anywhere. Could someone please push me in the right direction? cheers! t.

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Slow performance when listing members on Postorius
by Alan So 24 Apr '24

24 Apr '24

We are about to upgrade to Mailman core 3.3.9 and Postorius 1.3.10. We notice that for setup with large number of members, the performance is much slower when listing members on web (Postorius). Further troubleshooting show that there are quite a number of API calls which do not appear in Mailman core 3.3.5 and Postorius 1.3.6 when we list members. [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/33a6266d0a04472c8d5d6c78869a964c/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/7a18b7cb90a34ac98881a3f01b5488d1/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/61c6c3e2aaf443babd3bd191519b0424/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/8dd681165b8c436fac6793cae1ed2c27/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Further tests showing that each database query using "_member_id" in table member can take as much as 0.3 to 0.5 seconds for some large installations. The default 25 members per page mean that it will take at least 7.5 to 12.5 seconds. Changing to 200 members per page will take even longer time. We wonder whether "_member_id" should be indexed just like most other id in the database mailman_core in order to solve the issue. Or are there any other workarounds? +----------------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ | Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra | +----------------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ | id | int(11) | NO | PRI | NULL | auto_increment | | _member_id | char(32) | YES | | NULL | | | role | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | list_id | varchar(255) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | moderation_action | int(11) | YES | | NULL | | | address_id | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | preferences_id | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | user_id | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | bounce_score | int(11) | YES | | NULL | | | last_bounce_received | datetime | YES | | NULL | | | last_warning_sent | datetime | YES | | NULL | | | total_warnings_sent | int(11) | YES | | NULL | | +----------------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+

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Change config to create a new list with all archives off
by Tibor Molnar 21 Apr '24

21 Apr '24

Can archiving be changed anywhere in mailman3 configs, so then all new lists created do not archive by default?

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Mailman 3 hosting query
by Bill Robertson 18 Apr '24

18 Apr '24

Hi I'm investigating the possibility of transferring a fairly small mailing list I own from Google Groups to MM3 via a hosting service. I'd appreciate any pointers regarding what I should be looking out for with companies that offer this service It also seems very hard to find out which hosting companies are worth considering (In particular, reliability and support are important) Any help much is much appreciated Thanks

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Is there a way to find out when a user subscribed to a list
by Mohsen Masoudfar 17 Apr '24

17 Apr '24

Hi, We need to find out when a specific user joined a list. Is there a way to get this information? Thanks!

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Mailman-web stop responding.
by Paul Rubin 17 Apr '24

17 Apr '24

I was trying to administrate a list and discovered that mailman-web was unresponsive. I have tried stopping and restarting it. The error logs update for the startup, but not when anything connects to localhost:8000. The last entry in uwsgi.log was two hours ago and nothing has been added since. I tried both lynx http://localhost:8000 and telnet to http://localhost 8000 and GET request instantly closes the port and logs nothing. As far as I can tell both mailman and postgres are working fine. This is what logs on startup. ==> uwsgi-error.log <== *** Starting uWSGI 2.0.22 (64bit) on [Sun Apr 14 10:45:51 2024] *** compiled with version: 13.2.1 20230912 [revision b96e66fd4ef3e36983969fb8cdd1956f551a074b] on 05 October 2023 13:37:28 os: Linux-6.5.4-1-default #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed Sep 20 05:07:04 UTC 2023 (fdd7e9e) nodename: mail.rubinsoftware.com machine: x86_64 clock source: unix detected number of CPU cores: 4 current working directory: / detected binary path: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi !!! no internal routing support, rebuild with pcre support !!! your processes number limit is 15246 your memory page size is 4096 bytes detected max file descriptor number: 1024 lock engine: pthread robust mutexes thunder lock: disabled (you can enable it with --thunder-lock) uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8000 fd 8 Python version: 3.11.5 (main, Aug 31 2023, 07:57:41) [GCC] PEP 405 virtualenv detected: /opt/mailman/venv/ Set PythonHome to /opt/mailman/venv/ Python main interpreter initialized at 0x7f2c3d709d58 python threads support enabled your server socket listen backlog is limited to 100 connections your mercy for graceful operations on workers is 60 seconds mapped 250128 bytes (244 KB) for 4 cores *** Operational MODE: preforking+threaded *** added /etc/mailman3/ to pythonpath. WSGI app 0 (mountpoint='') ready in 0 seconds on interpreter 0x7f2c3d709d58 pid: 16064 (default app) *** uWSGI is running in multiple interpreter mode *** spawned uWSGI master process (pid: 16064) spawned uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 16065, cores: 2) spawned uWSGI worker 2 (pid: 16067, cores: 2) [uwsgi-daemons] spawning "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster" (uid: 72 gid: 67) 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster white-green-ten-mobile starting. 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 16072 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 16073 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 monitoring at 16074 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster white-green-ten-mobile 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 pushing tasks at 16075 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster white-green-ten-mobile running. What should I do to diagnose further?

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ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'xapian_backend'
by Ron / BCLUG 17 Apr '24

17 Apr '24

I had a working mailman3, tore it down, switched to PostgreSQL (from MySQL), and now everything is working, except: mailman-web update_index and mailman-web update_index_one_list They fail with: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'xapian_backend' I rebuilt and re-installed xapian: (venv) mailman@mail:~$ echo $XAPIAN_VERSION 1.4.25 (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip list | grep -i xapian xapian 1.4.25 Any ideas? Thanks! rb

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mailman3 digest sending questions and also adding docker to the mix
by bob B 17 Apr '24

17 Apr '24

So I have been down the digest rabbit hole. So to confirm my assumptions/findings: Digest size threshold---- means when the total size of held messages hits this setting, a digest is sent Digest Volume Frequency. ---- specifies when the digest volume number gets incremented for digest messages, IT DOES NOT send out digests based on the setting, daily, weekly ... So what does the GUI setting "Send Digest Periodically yes no" do? how periodically does it send digests, if this is set to yes? If I want to send a digest out for a list every day, or every week, how do I set that, especially in the docker environment? Is this something that can be configured in the GUI and configured by each of my list admins? I found that ”'mailman digests --periodic' via cron” should be set in googling, but does that mean I have to do a cron job for any list that wants a scheduled digest sent? My use case is, that I have a list admin who set a size threshold, but regardless of that, they also want their list digest sent out daily, they thought it was the "Digest Volume Frequency" setting but that is not correct. However in their testing they are not getting daily digest, they are getting digests only when the threshold is reached, BUT they have "Send Digest Periodically" set to "yes" and "Enable Digests" is set to "yes"

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