Hi,
Whilst we are all stuck in doors I have started a project to move Mailman3 from a Docker installation to a new server using a Python venv. Old server was Debian Jessie and the new one is Buster. Using Exim with stock config.
Everything seems to be going ok but mail isn't delivering (cannot connect to SMTP server).
I have /opt/mailman which I did chown -R list:list
mailman.cfg has following MTA settings:
[mta]
incoming: mailman.mta.exim4.LMTP
configuration: python:mailman.config.exim4
I wrote a Systemd unit which starts Mailman from the venv and started up Mailman once I got Postgres sorted so it would create the necessary files in the var directory structure.
One thing I noticed and had to fix is that it doesn't creat the directories for existing lists, and the Exim config examples out there check for the existance of those directories to identify whether the address exists. I created those anyway and set ownership perms as before.
Once I fixed that I sent a test message to the owner address and that routed correctly and the headers indicated the message was sent back to localhost by Mailman.
However I can't get it to route a list message, here is a log showing the start of the Mailman master processes and me sending a test message from Outlook (so incoming mail is routing ok):
Mar 28 16:03:20 2020 (21877) Master started
Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21889) lmtp runner started.
Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21896) virgin runner started.
Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21887) command runner started.
Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21890) nntp runner started.
Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21886) bounces runner started.
Mar 28 16:03:33 2020 (21892) pipeline runner started.
Mar 28 16:03:33 2020 (21888) in runner started.
Mar 28 16:03:33 2020 (21895) retry runner started.
Mar 28 16:03:34 2020 (21894) rest runner started.
[2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21894] [INFO] Starting gunicorn 20.0.4
[2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21894] [INFO] Listening at: http://127.0.0.1:8001 (21894)
[2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21894] [INFO] Using worker: sync
[2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21963] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 21963
Mar 28 16:03:34 2020 (21885) archive runner started.
[2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21965] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 21965
Mar 28 16:03:34 2020 (21897) digest runner started.
Mar 28 16:03:36 2020 (21891) out runner started.
Mar 28 16:04:25 2020 (21888) ACCEPT:
<AM0PR08MB39085771D0E2D9114FDE8E83AFCD0(a)AM0PR08MB3908.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Mar 28 16:04:26 2020 (21885) HyperKitty archived message <AM0PR08MB39085771D0E2D9114FDE8E83AFCD0(a)AM0PR08MB3908.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com> to https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/hyperkitty/list/blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgs…
[28/Mar/2020:16:04:26 +0000] "GET /3.0/lists/blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org HTTP/1.1" 200 445 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.0"
Mar 28 16:04:27 2020 (21891) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25
[28/Mar/2020:16:04:27 +0000] "GET /3.0/lists/blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org/config HTTP/1.1" 200 2595 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.0"
[28/Mar/2020:16:04:27 +0000] "GET /3.0/users/andrew(a)hodgson.io HTTP/1.1" 200 439 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.0"
Now in the out queue I have this:
root@elrond:/opt/mailman# ls -la /opt/mailman/var/queue/out
total 32
drwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Mar 28 16:34 .
drwxr-xr-x 14 list list 4096 Mar 28 13:25 ..
-rw-rw---- 1 list list 11152 Mar 28 16:34 1585413255.2412584+390ab148e589108ed9e849445e5e90410f69def3.bak
-rw-rw---- 1 list list 11152 Mar 28 16:34 1585413255.4891446+75bde47331619263b05f582c28ceb85a13bb5265.pck.tmp
There is no connection attempt in the Exim log from Mailman and I can connect to localhost:25.
This is a dualstack machine and I was wondering whether we had any IPV6 issues (I had an issue with Gunicorn and Nginx routing traffic due to this earlier that I had to sort), but as owner addresses are working I don't know what is different on that.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Andrew.
My new MM3 server is receiving these errors from cox.net:
"(delivery temporarily suspended: host cxr.mx.a.cloudfilter.net[34.212.80.54] refused to talk to me: 421 cxr-ibgw-6004a.stratus.cloudmark.com cmsmtp too many sessions from 213.125.4.246. Refer to Error Codes section at https://www.cox.com/residential/support/email-error-codes.html for more information. AUP#CXCNCT)
"
The link gives just this:
421 - [too many sessions from <source IP>] The sending IP address has exceeded
the five maximum concurrent connection limit. Configure your sending server to establish
no more than five concurrent connections.
1. Is that a legitimate excuse to refuse passing on emails or is cox.net too stingy?
2. Is that a setting we need to change in Mailman somewhere? Or should this be handled in some Postfix setting?
Yours,
Allan
Hello everyone,
I have a few (but not all) members complaining that their digests are full of coded characters. Two examples below were forwarded to me:
> What I ended up doing was creating 2 "practice lines" in the centre of=20
> our big teaching circle (I always teach new figures in a big circle) -=20
> which each had 3 people set up in a line with generous space between,=20
> and first=C2=A0 I walked through one of those lines myself starting first=
> =20
and
> Robins pass Right=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks Loop L=
> eft
What is the cause? Is there anything I can do about it?
Thanks,
Seth
Now that we are on mailman3, I'm finding things that were really useful in
mailman2 are completely missing in mailman3, which seems odd, since they in
particular affect the ability of list moderators to do their job well.
a) When a post was made to a moderated list in mailman2, I would get an
email that included a LINK to the held email. Now I just get a canned
email saying I need to go to the dashboard, blah blah. Why was this link
removed? It was extremely useful and now I have to jump through extra
hoops.
b) When a post is made to a moderated list in mailman2, when I went to the
page to approve/deny/discard, there was additionally an option to remove
the moderated flag from the user for all future emails. This option no
longer exists. This was EXTREMELY useful, as we force all new members of
the list to be moderated for a time while we evaluate the quality of their
postings. Now I have to go manually track down the user and their
settings. Unnecessary extra hoops to jump through
c) When a post is made to a moderated list, one of the options when
selecting REJECT was it allowed me to set a custom message when rejecting
the email. This was extremely useful. For example today, someone emailed
our bug tracking list directly instead of filing a bug. In the past, I
would have added a note to them about what they should do (in this case, I
would have told them to send their email to our community technical
discussion list). Now I can no longer do that, I can only reject it or
discard it. Why was this removed?
--Quanah
--
Quanah Gibson-Mount
Product Architect
Symas Corporation
Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP:
<http://www.symas.com>
Are there alternative search engines to Xapian that can be used for Mailman 3?
I have come to understand that Xapian development stalled in the v2.0 attempt.
Now I am seeing this in the log every few seconds:
12:12:29 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes]
12:12:29 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. : Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q-1.0.1-py3.7.egg/django_q/cluster.py", line 377, in worker
res = f(*task['args'], **task['kwargs'])
File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.3-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 189, in _rebuild_thread_cache_votes
thread = Thread.objects.get(id=thread_id)
File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.1.9-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method
return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs)
File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.1.9-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/query.py", line 399, in get
self.model._meta.object_name
hyperkitty.models.thread.Thread.DoesNotExist: Thread matching query does not exist.
Any help? How do I identify the thread in question?
I imported an archive from a Listserv list, processed into something resembling mbox format (which I now understand not to be a standard at all) and have about 100,000 messages there. I am having a lot of trouble with these sort of errors, as you will see from my flurry of posts recently.
Yes, I am running all the jobs.
Andrew
Due to a bug in mailman3, I have an incorrect user that's been created via
github auth that has no confirmed email address yet.
I've been poking around the user manager documentation (why is there no UI
for user management???), and after adding in bits that are missing from the
official documentation
(<https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs/usermanager…>
is missing "from mailman.testing.documentation import dump_list" despite
using dump_list repeatedly in its examples) I can't find the user.
I have the confirmation email mailman3 sent out, that tells me the username
mailman3 created for the incorrect account is "quanah98", but the user
manager documentation doesn't detail how to find a user by their username,
only their email. And apparently if the email hasn't been confirmed (and I
*do not* want it confirmed), you can't find them by email.
Suggestions on how to track down this user so I can delete them would be
much appreciated.
Thanks,
Quanah
--
Quanah Gibson-Mount
Product Architect
Symas Corporation
Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP:
<http://www.symas.com>
We've recently migrated our project's email lists from mailman2 to
mailman3. Given the project has been around for a few decades, many people
have used different email addresesses over the years, some of which they no
longer have access to. However, it would be useful to still be able to
associate those emails with a given account. Is there a way that I can do
this as an administrator of the mailman3 system?
Thanks,
Quanah
--
Quanah Gibson-Mount
Product Architect
Symas Corporation
Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP:
<http://www.symas.com>
I have a development server that only has Mailman core installed on it. I used a virtual environment to do the installation but I did not install Postorius or Hyperkitty as I am currently working on developing a custom u.i. for Mailman 3. My programmer said the following:
"I have a problem with mailman on development server ... I was trying to add member to a list using REST api, but to no avail.
After I tried all possible and impossible things, I finally looked at the logs.
Error I found in log file is:
IsADirectoryError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/templates'
I guess mailman was looking for a template for welcome mail, and failed for some reason. I also guess this has something to do with locale or language settings
I tried googling, but couldn't find anything"
The log that gave the error was /opt/mailman/mm/logs/mailman.log
My programmer tried it on another server that has both Postorius and Hyperkitty working and the api call worked, i.e. added the member to the list and sent out a welcome email. So what else do I need to install to be able to use the api to add members to a list using a non-postorius interface?
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Brian
