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by Lars Bjørndal 14 Jun '20

14 Jun '20

I'm about to set up a new list, and want to try out Mailman3. The only component available in Fedora, is the Mailman core package. With the /usr/libexec/mailman3/mailman command, I was able to create a list, and add a member throug the sub commands create and members. How can I read out the list configuration from here, and change settings? Do I then need to install/use other components, or is there other possibilities, e.g. using the shell command? If I get a message that needs moderation, can I do the decision from cli, or how do I do that? Thanks Lars

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Mailman3 on Fedora
by Lars Bjørndal 14 Jun '20

14 Jun '20

Hi, list! I'm running Fedora 31. The only Mailman 3 package in the Fedora repo seems to be mailman3-3.2.0-2.fc30.noarch, which is only Mailman core. My goal was to start using Mailman 3 for a new list. It seems without the other packages, it's not trivial to configure the list, please correct me if I'm wrong. And of course I don't get the archive functionality which I don't need anyway. Does anyone know whats the plan for Fedora when it comes to implementing the other components of Mailman 3, and when they will ship a newer version of the core package? Thanks, Lars

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max_message_size parameter not working in mailman 3.3.1
by Shashikanth Komandoor 13 Jun '20

13 Jun '20

Team, I am currently working on Mailman 3.3.1 in production environment. Today I faced an issue related to the mail size limit. One of our users has sent a mail with nearly 27M to one of the lists running on Mailman 3.3.1. Though I have configured the parameter related to the Maximum message size as '0' which I meant as no limit to the size of mail, I observed the mail is not accepted and rejected with the message "Message size limit exceeds". So, could anyone please help in resolving the issue or at least a work around asap ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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manage.py runjobs hourly
by Mark Dadgar 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

I have started getting this emailed to root each hour from the cron job. > From: root(a)pdc-racing.net (Cron Daemon) > Subject: Cron <www-data@mail> [ -f /usr/bin/django-admin ] && flock -n /var/run/mailman3-web/cron.hourly /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py runjobs hourly > Date: June 11, 2020 at 11:00:06 AM PDT > To: www-data(a)pdc-racing.net > > 18:00:03 [Q] INFO Enqueued 1350 > 18:00:03 [Q] INFO Enqueued 1351 The Enqueued numbers do increment. Anyone know what this is? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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Weird hourly indexing error
by Mark Dadgar 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

I moved my mail server to a Digital Ocean droplet. I basically installed all the appropriate packages and then rsync’d everything that matters from my metal server up to the cloud instance. Everything more or less works fine. However, I am now getting this hourly error - see below. It is ENTIRELY possible that I was getting this error on the previous server as well, but I didn’t have www-data aliased to root so I would never have seen it. Anyone know what’s going on here? BTW, Digital Ocean is pretty awesome. If anyone wants to try it, ping me for a referral code good for $100 in credit to play with. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 Begin forwarded message: From: root(a)pdc-racing.net (Cron Daemon) Subject: Cron <www-data@mail> [ -f /usr/bin/django-admin ] && flock -n /var/run/mailman3-web/cron.hourly /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py runjobs hourly Date: May 5, 2020 at 5:01:00 AM PDT To: www-data(a)pdc-racing.net [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 1 - 1000 (retry 5/5): Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECT95251413 (pid 36301): Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECT95251413 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 97, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 488, in update database.replace_document(document_id, document) xapian.InvalidArgumentError: Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECT95251413

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Postorius endless loading on Sign in / Register then "Internal Server Error"
by Jacob Bargery 10 Jun '20

10 Jun '20

Pre-cursor, I am in a new position to learn on the go and new to Linux but have been tasked with setting up a List Serv and they wanted Mailman 3 with Postorius and HyperKitty. Running on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS using Postfix and MySQL. I can open up the initial pages. With no Lists created yet. I can open up Register, Login, and Forgot Password but when I submit anything it spins the loading icon for a long time then reads" "Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Apache/2.4.41 (Ubuntu) Server at groups.smccme.edu Port 80" If I try to re-navigate to the page, nothing loads. If I reboot the server, I can get to the same point again with the same problem. Performed a log tail on mailman-web.log and got this and then nothing happens after this no matter how long I wait: 15:18:31 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-1686 starting. 15:18:31 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 1932 15:18:31 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 monitoring at 1934 15:18:31 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster at 1931 15:18:31 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-1686 running. 15:18:31 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 1933 15:18:31 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 pushing tasks at 1935 [pid: 1683|app: 0|req: 1/1] 10.212.134.135 () {56 vars in 1124 bytes} [Tue Jun 9 15:20:48 2020] GET /mailman3 => generated 0 bytes in 545 msecs (HTTP/1.1 301) 6 headers in 213 bytes (1 switches on core 0) [pid: 1683|app: 0|req: 2/2] 10.212.134.135 () {56 vars in 1174 bytes} [Tue Jun 9 15:20:49 2020] GET /mailman3/postorius/lists/ => generated 3927 bytes in 378 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 5 headers in 163 bytes (1 switches on core 1) [pid: 1683|app: 0|req: 3/3] 10.212.134.135 () {58 vars in 1240 bytes} [Tue Jun 9 15:21:02 2020] GET /mailman3/postorius/lists/ => generated 3927 bytes in 63 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 5 headers in 163 bytes (1 switches on core 0) [pid: 1683|app: 0|req: 4/4] 10.212.134.135 () {58 vars in 1225 bytes} [Tue Jun 9 15:21:05 2020] GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/ => generated 11265 bytes in 120 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 5 headers in 164 bytes (2 switches on core 1) [pid: 1683|app: 0|req: 5/5] 10.212.134.135 () {58 vars in 1235 bytes} [Tue Jun 9 15:21:10 2020] GET /mailman3/postorius/lists/ => generated 3927 bytes in 77 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 5 headers in 163 bytes (2 switches on core 0) [pid: 1683|app: 0|req: 6/6] 10.212.134.135 () {58 vars in 1303 bytes} [Tue Jun 9 15:21:14 2020] GET /mailman3/accounts/signup/?next=/mailman3/postorius/lists/ => generated 8958 bytes in 74 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 6 headers in 331 bytes (2 switches on core 1) [pid: 1683|app: 0|req: 7/7] 10.212.134.135 () {68 vars in 1502 bytes} [Tue Jun 9 15:21:54 2020] POST /mailman3/accounts/signup/ => generated 9132 bytes in 96 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 6 headers in 331 bytes (1 switches on core 0) [pid: 1683|app: 0|req: 8/8] 10.212.134.135 () {60 vars in 1389 bytes} [Tue Jun 9 15:22:03 2020] GET /mailman3/accounts/login/?next=/mailman3/accounts/signup/ => generated 9128 bytes in 43 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 6 headers in 331 bytes (2 switches on core 1) [pid: 1683|app: 0|req: 9/9] 10.212.134.135 () {60 vars in 1384 bytes} [Tue Jun 9 15:22:04 2020] GET /mailman3/accounts/password/reset/ => generated 7749 bytes in 17 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 6 headers in 331 bytes (1 switches on core 0) This is a traceback I could find from another attempt: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 702, in list_index lists = paginate( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 71, in paginate objects = paginator.page(page_num) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 46, in page number = self.validate_number(number) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 48, in validate_number if number > self.num_pages: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 80, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 97, in num_pages if self.count == 0 and not self.allow_empty_first_page: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 80, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 56, in count return self.function(count=0, page=1).total_size File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 699, in _get_list_page return client.get_list_page( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/client.py", line 177, in get_list_page return Page(self._connection, url, MailingList, count, page) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/page.py", line 37, in __init__ self._create_page() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/page.py", line 62, in _create_page response, content = self._connection.call(self._build_url()) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 109, in call raise MailmanConnectionError('Could not connect to Mailman API') mailmanclient.restbase.connection.MailmanConnectionError: Could not connect to Mailman API Any help would be greatly appreciated. Definitely in over my head on this one. Thanks.

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Postorius with screen readers
by Andrew Hodgson 10 Jun '20

10 Jun '20

Hi, Just wanting to let people know that since bumping to Postorius 1.3.3 I am seeing a real improvement in access to the Mailman settings and tabs using a screen reader with Chrome. When navigating through the tabs you are hearing two iterations of the tab, the first for example saying "Held Messages 0 tab" which is not a link, but then if you arrow down past that you hear "Held Messages 0" which is advertised as a link and if you hit enter on those it changes the page to the requested view. Thanks. Andrew.

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New problem on new installation of Mailman
by Brian Carpenter 09 Jun '20

09 Jun '20

I am just about done with installing Mailman 3 on a new Debian 10 server and when I go to run ./mailman-post-update, I am running into the following error: ./mailman-post-update + '[' False == False ']' + mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/static + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin", line 10, in <module> sys.exit(execute_from_command_line()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 401, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 377, in execute django.setup() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 24, in setup apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django/apps/registry.py", line 91, in populate app_config = AppConfig.create(entry) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django/apps/config.py", line 90, in create module = import_module(entry) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 728, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/haystack/__init__.py", line 11, in <module> from haystack.utils import loading File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/haystack/utils/__init__.py", line 9, in <module> from django.utils import six ImportError: cannot import name 'six' from 'django.utils' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django/utils/__init__.py) I assume it has something to do with Haystack. Suggestions for a fix? Thanks, Brian

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Migrating from debian package to Virtualenv
by Ryan Morash 09 Jun '20

09 Jun '20

We currently have our Mailman3 instance installed using the packages in Debian's repository. We want to migrate over to a virtualenv setup as described here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html. Is there any thing we should be aware of for migrating data?

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django-mailman3 1.3.4 bugfix release
by Abhilash Raj 05 Jun '20

05 Jun '20

Hey everyone, There was a critical bug reported yesterday which would cause users to get 404 pages instead of their list options page. Upon investigation, it was found that the bug was related to bumping of Mailman Core's API version to 3.1 in django-mailman3 1.3.3 release. Because this bug can cause problems accessing several pages in web interface, we have a quick bugfix release for you. If you have already upgraded to 1.3.3 and don't wish to do another upgrade/restart, you have an option to run the command below to avoid the bug: $ python manage.py clear_cache -a This should invalidate the cache entries which cause the 404 bug. The new release is available through PyPI at: https://pypi.org/project/django-mailman3/1.3.4/ The changelog is available at: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst Finally, as usual, you can update to the new release using pip: $ pip install django-mailman3==1.3.4 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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duplicate dkim headers w/ AWS SES
by sunil soprey 03 Jun '20

03 Jun '20

Periodically, I've seen these errors from few senders, and wondering if community has a idea? Mailman - 3.3.1rc1 Tom Sawyer "554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'" while sending AWS-SES as the MTA? Possible to strip from postfix? I've submitted a AWS ticket.

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Emailing a list from the list server
by Mark Dadgar 01 Jun '20

01 Jun '20

Ok, I admit I am baffled by this one. I cannot email a list from an account on the list server itself (for example, programmatically by script, but also manually) using mail / mailx / mutt / etc from the command line. The emails just disappear into the ether. I can email other arbitrary addresses just fine, including real users hosted on that server. Here’s the postfix main.cf section for mailman3: owner_request_special = no transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = ${{$compatibility_level} < {2} ? {$mydestination} : {}} hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains What obvious thing am I missing? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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Header Filters
by Peter Adebahr 01 Jun '20

01 Jun '20

Hi *, we are trying to dispose of automatic replies like "out of office" etc. For these ends, we have set Header to "subject" (w/o quotes) Pattern to ".*out.of.office.*" Action to "Hold for moderation" However, these mails are passed through to the list. How is this to be set to become effective? Thank you and have a good week Peter

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installing mailman3 core
by Ralf Wiegand 29 May '20

29 May '20

Mark - What is the difference between to two install methods? What are my pros and cons? I have been using this: >>>> |# Note: if we are using a dedicated postgresql database server, all postgresql changes need to be done on the actual postgresql server.| |>>>| |sudo yum install postgresql-server postgresql-contrib| |sudo postgresql-setup initdb| |sudo systemctl start postgresql| |sudo systemctl enable postgresql| |sudo -u postgres psql -c ||"SELECT version();"| |sudo useradd -c ||"Mailman User"| |-s /bin/bash -m mailman| |sudo -u postgres create role mailman;| |sudo -u postgres createdb -O $USER mailman| |sudo -u postgres psql -c ||"grant all privileges on database mailman to mailman;"| |sudo -u postgres psql -c ||"ALTER ROLE mailman WITH PASSWORD 'secret123';"| |sudo -u postgres psql -c ||"ALTER ROLE "||mailman||" WITH LOGIN;"| |sudo echo ||"listen_addresses = '*' "| |>> /var/lib/pgsql/10/data/postgresql.conf| |sudo echo ||"# The user mailman will be able to access all databases from a trusted location (any) without a password"| |>> /var/lib/pgsql/data/pg_hba.conf| |sudo echo ||"host all mailman 0.0.0.0/0 trust"| |>> /var/lib/pgsql/data/pg_hba.conf| |sudo systemctl restart postgresql| |sudo ss -nlt | grep 5432| |<<<| |sudo yum install python36* --skip-broken -y| |# check make sure you have both versions| |sudo python --version| |Python 2.7.5| |sudo python3 --version| |Python 3.6.8| |sudo pip3 install psycopg2-binary| |sudo chown mailman.mailman /opt/mailman| |sudo chmod 755 /opt/mailman| |# NOTE: The first initial mailman3 core setup has to be done manually.| |# This is a important step to ensure the user "mailman" will run the actual mailman3 application and not root.| |# switch to user mailman| |mailman# cd /opt/mailman| |mailman# git clone https:||//gitlab.com/mailman/mailman.git| |mailman# cat <<EOT >> /opt/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/config/mailman.cfg| |[devmode]| |enabled: yes| |recipient: root@localhost| |[webservice]| |hostname: localhost| |port: 8001| |show_tracebacks: yes| |use_https: yes| |[mta]| |incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP| |outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver| |lmtp_host: localhost| |lmtp_port: 8024| |smtp_host: localhost| |smtp_port: 25| |[database]| |class||: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase| |url: postgres:||//mailman:secret123@<IP-ADDRESS or FQDN>/mailman| |EOT| |mailman# python3.6 -m venv venv-3.6| |>>| |mailman# source venv-3.6/bin/activate| |(venv-3.6) [mailman@empire mailman]$ cd mailman| |(venv-3.6) [mailman@empire mailman]$ python setup.py develop| |(venv-3.6) [mailman@empire mailman]$ mailman info| |<<| | | | | |So I was told I don't have to do this, I can just simple do (rhel7) | |yum install pyhton3| |pip install mailman| | | | |

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Hyperkitty issue(s)
by Bryan Loniewski 28 May '20

28 May '20

Hello -- I'm stuck trying to integrate Hyperkitty. I see the following errors in mailman.log and mailmansuite.log respectively: <snipped> [2020-05-27 16:42:11 -0400] [5140] [ERROR] Error handling request /3.1/lists/bry_test4.lists-test.rutgers.edu/archivers Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 134, in handle self.handle_request(listener, req, client, addr) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 175, in handle_request respiter = self.wsgi(environ, resp.start_response) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 193, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "falcon/api.py", line 274, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "falcon/api.py", line 269, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 406, in on_get for archiver in archiver_set.archivers File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 407, in <dictcomp> if archiver.system_archiver.is_enabled} File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 587, in system_archiver raise AssertionError('Archiver not found: {}'.format(self.name)) AssertionError: Archiver not found: hyperkitty and <snipped> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/middleware.py", line 42, in __call__ return self.get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 36, in inner response = response_for_exception(request, exc) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 90, in response_for_exception response = handle_uncaught_exception(request, get_resolver(get_urlconf()), sys.exc_info()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 125, in handle_uncaught_exception return debug.technical_500_response(request, *exc_info) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/views/debug.py", line 89, in technical_500_response reporter = ExceptionReporter(request, exc_type, exc_value, tb) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/views/debug.py", line 254, in __init__ self.template_info = getattr(self.exc_value, 'template_debug', None) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/tempfile.py", line 479, in __getattr__ file = self.__dict__['file'] KeyError: 'file' Note that I've kinda followed the Virtualenv route along with using Mark's helpful webpage re: his experiences. Some relevant? config files... mailman.cfg: <snip> [archiver.prototype] enable: yes [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /opt/mailman/mm/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg <snip> mailman-hyperkitty.cfg: [general] base_url: https://a_real_domain/mm3/hyperkitty api_key: <movealong> I can provide additional conf file setups if warranted? I am curious (and perhaps this is in fact the issue) why when I run mailman conf I don't see the archiver.hyperkittty section even though its in the mailman.cfg file? While at the same time I do see archiver.{mail_archive,mhonarc}? I know it's reading my mailman.cfg based on other sections I've already setup/manipulated. Another data point: $ grep -i hyperkitty requirements.txt HyperKitty==1.3.2 mailman-hyperkitty==1.1.0 Any suggestions? ________________________ Bryan Loniewski Rutgers University OIT:EAS:Messaging and Collaboration Services System Administrator

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automation of mailman3 core startup
by Ralf Wiegand 27 May '20

27 May '20

|mailman# source venv-3.6/bin/activate| |(venv-3.6) [mailman@empire mailman]$ cd mailman| |(venv-3.6) [mailman@empire mailman]$ python setup.py develop| |(venv-3.6) [mailman@empire mailman]$ mailman info| | | |Hello Mark -| |Question: The above assumes that the user mailman will run the mailman3 core application. So the user "mailman" has all the correct permissions. The issue I have is to automate this part, so at start up mailman3 will be running, at shutdown, being shutdown properly. | | | |How can I do this?| | | |Ralf |

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Mailman rewrite the Cc header incorrectly
by Alan So 27 May '20

27 May '20

I just notice that if I send an email to a list with a Cc header broken into multiple lines and the pair of double quotes are put in different lines, the email addresses afterwards will be wrongly rewritten. For example, CC: "ABC DEF (XYZ)" <name(a)example.com> It will become the following after going through the mailing list: CC: XYZ <"ABC DEF"@mail.server.name> It seems that Outlook often split the To/Cc header into multiple lines and they often add double quotes to the full name of the users. Is the rewriting of Cc header handled by Mailman's code or another Python class? Thanks. Regards, Alan So

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Emergency Moderation
by Brian Carpenter 26 May '20

26 May '20

Is there an Emergency Moderation function (similar to the one that Mailman 2 had) with Mailman 3 core/Postorius? Thanks, Brian

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Migrating Mailman 3 lists
by Brian Carpenter 26 May '20

26 May '20

Hello Mailman users, I know how to migrate mailman 2 lists to a new mailman 3 server. However I do not know how to migrate a mailman 3 list from one mailman 3 server to another one. Are there any instructions or protocol on how to accomplish this? The Mailman 3 server I want to migrate *from* was setup using Docker. The Mailman 3 server I want to migrate these lists *to* was setup using a python virtual environment via pip. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

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performance report - mailman 3.3.1rc1 / postorius 1.3.1
by sunil soprey 26 May '20

26 May '20

Hi all - I just wanted to share my perf-load results of Mailman3. Hopefully community finds helpful. I realized mailman3 cannot run on AWS t3a* ( 2cpu or 4cpu @ 8 gigs ) Specs: AWS EC2 - m5a.xl and c5.xl Version: mailman 3.3.1rc1 What: Duration load test of 30k emails across 200 lists. Some lists have a depth of 9k users, other lists have 100 emails address. * create 200 lists of random names Results * Postorius kept hanging on vanilla AWS LTS and LTS2 image. I had to tune the kernel settings ( somax, syslimits, tcp wmem) * gunicorn.cfg must be created and workers/threads property must be added. I noticed hanging python and tcp/socket errors * Total run time = 50mins for fresh-load

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Postorius, Hyperkitty new release candidates
by Abhilash Raj 24 May '20

24 May '20

Hi Everyone, I am pleased to announce a couple of more releases: - Postorius: 1.3.3rc1 Changelog: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#rc1 Download: https://pypi.org/project/postorius/1.3.3rc1/ - Hyperkitty: 1.3.3rc1 Changelog: https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html#rc1 Download: https://pypi.org/project/HyperKitty/1.3.3rc1/ - Mailmanclient: 3.3.1rc1 Changelog: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… Download: https://pypi.org/project/mailmanclient/3.3.1rc1/ - Django-mailman3: 1.3.3rc1 Changelog: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst Download: https://pypi.org/project/django-mailman3/1.3.3rc1/ Python 3.6+ and Django 2.0+ is supported for all of them. Django 3.0 support for Hyperkitty requires manually upgrading a dependency (django-haystack>=3.0b2, once a stable version of this has been released, it shouldn't require manually upgrading). There are tons of bug-fixes across the board and some new features. Biggest visible change is switch to Bootstrap 4, which has been long pending for us. Bootstrap 4 completely changes the CSS grid model using the new Flexbox. There might be some small changes or breakages when using on mobile. Please report such issues to us via Gitlab! Some other notable changes are in Postorius, which includes many more list settings exposed include content filtering settings, bounce processing (which was added in the previous release of Mailman Core) settings and some other ones. You can now also specify a reason when rejecting held messages. There was also a gnarly bug, which caused the name of some members to be the string "None". For the longest time, I couldn't figure out the reason for it, but it ended up being a simple fix in mailmanclient's json serialization of display_name, which would result in Python's None value being passed as string "None" to Mailman's API for subscription. There is also better support for filtering visible lists based on the current vhost, which I see a few people are already waiting for from mailman-users list. A full changelog has been added to each project in the top. These are still pre-releases and if you are installing via pip, you would need the `--pre` flag, for e.g. $ pip install --pre --upgrade postorius hyperkitty As with all other releases, these have also been running on mail.python.org and lists.mailman3.org for some time now, so it should be relatively safe to upgrade to. Stable releases for this is now scheduled in 1 week, hopefully, next weekend. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Updating from Ubuntu-20.04 LTE installation
by Peter Adebahr 24 May '20

24 May '20

Hi Mark, thank you for the fast solution of our subscription problem - which brings me to the next step: Our installation was done by "apt-get install" in Ubuntu 20, thus still running MM 3.2.2 (and python 3.8.2). Do you have any advise, how to upgrade from there to your current version? I know this might be a bit dangerous, but with today's VMs the risk is much less than it used to be: Do you think it would be possible, just to replace the code and library parts, keeping the database and config files as is? If not, what would you do when you have to keep the system running (except for maintenance time, of course)? Thank you again and and have a nice relaxed weekend Peter

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Hyperkitty: remove discussions
by Peter Adebahr 22 May '20

22 May '20

Hi *, is it possible to remove discussions from the archives? As it were tests only, removing the complete archive would be ok, too. For the customer, we would like to start this list with a clean archive :) Thank you Peter

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Subscribing by E-Mail
by Peter Adebahr 22 May '20

22 May '20

Hi *, on MM2 systems, we used to subscribe people via an external application by sending an e-mail to the request address with a subject of "subscribe address=user(a)example.com" This returns a "bad argument" in MM3 - any ideas how to solve this? We cannot set the actual from-address in a foreign application... Thank you Peter

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OpenID Connect support
by Gilles Filippini 21 May '20

21 May '20

Hi, As I understand it the OpenID authentication mode available in Mailman3 refers to the now deprecated version 2.0 of the protocol. Am I correct? Is there any ongoing work to bring support for OpenID Connect? Thanks in advance, _g.

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ValueError: ...:EVP_DigestInit_ex:disabled for fips
by Ralf Wiegand 20 May '20

20 May '20

(venv-3.6) [root@maildev mailman-suite_project]# python manage.py migrate Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, openid, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: Applying contenttypes.0001_initial...Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 381, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 375, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/management/base.py", line 323, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/management/base.py", line 364, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/management/base.py", line 83, in wrapped res = handle_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/management/commands/migrate.py", line 234, in handle fake_initial=fake_initial, File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 117, in migrate state = self._migrate_all_forwards(state, plan, full_plan, fake=fake, fake_initial=fake_initial) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 147, in _migrate_all_forwards state = self.apply_migration(state, migration, fake=fake, fake_initial=fake_initial) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 245, in apply_migration state = migration.apply(state, schema_editor) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/migrations/migration.py", line 124, in apply operation.database_forwards(self.app_label, schema_editor, old_state, project_state) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/migrations/operations/models.py", line 530, in database_forwards getattr(new_model._meta, self.option_name, set()), File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 367, in alter_unique_together self.execute(self._create_unique_sql(model, columns)) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 126, in execute sql = str(sql) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/backends/ddl_references.py", line 194, in __str__ return self.template % self.parts File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/backends/ddl_references.py", line 103, in __str__ return self.create_index_name(self.table, self.columns, self.suffix) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 1049, in create_unique_name return self.quote_name(self._create_index_name(*args, **kwargs)) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 884, in _create_index_name hash_suffix_part = '%s%s' % (names_digest(table_name, *column_names, length=8), suffix) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 221, in names_digest h = hashlib.md5() *ValueError: error:060800A3:digital envelope routines:EVP_DigestInit_ex:disabled for fips* Hello group, I am running into this error. any idea what is going wrong here? Help is greatly appreciated. Ralf

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Link another address
by Brian Carpenter 19 May '20

19 May '20

I am thinking about incorporating the following Postorius/Django account feature into Affinity: Other emails: (no other email) Link another address However I cannot think of a serious real-world need for this. What are the developers' reasoning behind this? Was this feature highly demanded by Mailman 3 users? Just trying to find out what I am missing here. Thanks, Brian

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/hyperkitty/list/ shows "example.com" / mailman3 archives not updated
by patrick-mailinglists＠whonix.org 18 May '20

18 May '20

/hyperkitty/list/ shows "example.com". Not the actual domain name that I configured. How can I fix this? I would not mind too much about hyperkitty showing "example.com". But the more important issue is that mailman3 archives are not updated. Therefore I guess it's a symptom of a more important issue. E-mails to the list are delivered to e-mail subscribers, though. Seems only the web part is broken. Using Debian buster mailman3 packages. In configuration folder /etc/mailman3 I cannot find any textual string saying "example.com". (`grep -r -i example /etc/mailman3`) Therefore I don't know where mailman3 gets "example.com" from. Could be broken linux file/folder access rights? Any way to debug? Kind regards, Patrick

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Mailman Header Behavior
by Samir Faci 16 May '20

16 May '20

I'm trying to use AWS SES as a mail relay for IP Health and other tidbits and it seems like it's very particular on what the headers look like. The FROM field has to be from a verified email meaning the list name has to be in the from field. I'm getting something along these lines for the rejection: May 15 16:28:26 lists postfix/smtp[2938320]: 1EA6C13880A: to=< csgeek(a)esamir.com>, relay=email-smtp.us-west-2.amazonaws.com[52.88.99.145]:587, delay=0.76, delays=0.01/0.02/0.43/0.31, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.us-west-2.amazonaws.com[52.88.99.145] said: 554 Message rejected: Email address is not verified. The following identities failed the check in region US-WEST-2: Samir Faci <samir(a)esamir.com> (in reply to end of DATA command)) If on the other hand I enable the Anonymous list option then everything works, but I obviously have no clue who sent the email or how to respond to the person (if they're not subscribed) Is there a way to force mailman to ensure that the list name shows up in the from field? -- Thank you Samir Faci https://keybase.io/csgeek

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unknown encoding: windows-874
by Mark Dadgar 15 May '20

15 May '20

Anyone seen this before? Just started happening today. Latest ubuntu packages: - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 —— Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive LookupError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive unknown encoding: windows-874 Request Method: POST Request URL: http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=MiloIsTheBestD… <http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=MiloIsTheBestD…> Django Version: 2.2.12 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.8.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python38.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.8', '/usr/lib/python3.8/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:42:46 -0700 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py" in inner 40. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in _decorator 71. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py" in wrapped_view 54. return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in archive 117. add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py" in add_to_list 123. email.content, attachments = scrubber.scrub() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/scrub.py" in scrub 77. attachments = self._get_all_attachments() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/scrub.py" in _get_all_attachments 98. attachments.append(self._parse_attachment(part, part_num)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/scrub.py" in _parse_attachment 156. payload = part.get_content() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/message.py" in get_content 1096. if content_manager is None: File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/contentmanager.py" in get_content 22. return self.get_handlers[maintype](msg, *args, **kw) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/contentmanager.py" in get_text_content 67. return content.decode(charset, errors=errors) Exception Type: LookupError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Exception Value: unknown encoding: windows-874 Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: key = <REDACTED> POST: mlist = <REDACTED> FILES: message = <InMemoryUploadedFile: message.txt ()> COOKIES: No cookie data META: CONTENT_LENGTH = '52215' CONTENT_TYPE = 'multipart/form-data; boundary=c697884a8c5c014c7e388933c444cab3' CONTEXT_DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/html' CONTEXT_PREFIX = '' DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/html' GATEWAY_INTERFACE = 'CGI/1.1' HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'keep-alive' HTTP_HOST = 'localhost' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'python-requests/2.22.0' PATH = '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/snap/bin' PATH_INFO = '/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive' QUERY_STRING = 'key=MiloIsTheBestDogEver2018%21' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REMOTE_PORT = '45516' REQUEST_METHOD = 'POST' REQUEST_SCHEME = 'http' REQUEST_URI = '/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=MiloIsTheBestDogEver2018%21' SCRIPT_FILENAME = 'proxy:uwsgi://localhost//hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive' <uwsgi://localhost//hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive'> SCRIPT_NAME = '/mailman3' SERVER_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' SERVER_ADMIN = 'webmaster@localhost' SERVER_NAME = 'localhost' SERVER_PORT = '80' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.1' SERVER_SIGNATURE = '<address>Apache/2.4.41 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80</address>\n' SERVER_SOFTWARE = 'Apache/2.4.41 (Ubuntu)' uwsgi.core = 1 uwsgi.node = b'mail' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.18-debian' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7ff7d81444b0> wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'mark(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:mark@pdc-racing.net>'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['*'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = '/usr/share/mailman3-web' CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_COMPRESSOR = 'compressor.css.CssCompressor' COMPRESS_CSS_FILTERS = ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter'] COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7ff7db78fb80> COMPRESS_JS_COMPRESSOR = 'compressor.js.JsCompressor' COMPRESS_JS_FILTERS = ['compressor.filters.jsmin.JSMinFilter'] COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/mailman3/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.sqlite3', 'NAME': '/var/lib/dbconfig-common/sqlite3/mailman3-web/mailman3web.db', 'USER': '', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': '', 'PORT': '', 'OPTIONS': {}, 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'NAME': None, 'MIRROR': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_CONTENT_TYPE = 'text/html' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:postorius@pdc-racing.net>' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAILNAME = 'pdc-racing.net <http://pdc-racing.net/>' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_CHARSET = 'utf-8' FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'xapian_backend.XapianEngine', 'PATH': '/var/lib/mailman3/web/xapian_index'}} HOSTNAME = 'localhost.local' IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = "('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora')" INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler', 'filename': '/var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost/mailman3/ <http://localhost/mailman3/>' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', 'poll': 5} ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = False SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:root@pdc-racing.net>' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/mailman3/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'SAMEORIGIN' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y'

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Github auth deprecated API
by Quanah Gibson-Mount 14 May '20

14 May '20

The version of mailman3 I'm running apparently uses a deprecated API for GitHub authentication. Does anyone know if this has been fixed? I couldn't find an issue for it on the postorius issue tracker. Sample email: ==================================================== Hello there! On May 14th, 2020 at 00:38 (UTC) your application used an access token (with the User-Agent python-requests/2.21.0) as part of a query parameter to access an endpoint through the GitHub API. https://api.github.com/user Please use the Authorization HTTP header instead as using the `access_token` query parameter is deprecated. Depending on your API usage, we'll be sending you this email reminder on a monthly basis. Visit https://developer.github.com/changes/2020-02-10-deprecating-auth-through-qu… for more information about suggested workarounds and removal dates. ==================================================== Thanks, Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

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Open List
by Samir Faci 13 May '20

13 May '20

So, I found a setting to allow me to create an Open List. I assume this is still doable in MM3 though I can't find the equivalent option. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-March/065479.html 2nd question is how do I create a new List Style. I'd like Open- Archived and Open-NonArchived to be options when creating a new list. -- Thank you Samir Faci https://keybase.io/csgeek

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Mailman3 command line issue: NameError: name 'cli' is not defined when executing command=cli
by John W 13 May '20

13 May '20

Hi, I am following the guide here: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/create.h… and am falling at the first hurdle. command = cli('mailman.commands.cli_lists.create') NameError: name 'cli' is not defined. I am running the command in the mailman shell. Doing a help("mailman.commands") works so Python can see that. I thought it might require pyCLI so I installed that but still no joy.

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Held messages not being deleted
by Andrew Hodgson 12 May '20

12 May '20

Hi, I am finding that held messages although being deleted in the database are still being stored in the ~/var/messages directory structure. Is this by design? Thanks. Andrew.

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Understanding of members, accounts
by Peter Adebahr 12 May '20

12 May '20

Hi *, meanwhile we have subscribed a few addresses by the method of mass subscription. As these have to be private lists, users will have to provide a password to get access to the archives. I haven't found a way to provide, as admin, passwords to users. So I assumed users should go to "login", "lost password" and thus set their own. Alas, their e-mail addresses are not found in any list. Is the solution to "sign up", using one's very e-mail address already in the system? I would like to understand why there is a difference between being (only) a subscribed member and a member having an account - or, what might be the advantage of being a member without an account? Thank you and best regards, Peter

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exim4 + mailman3 lmtp failure
by Thomas Drillich 10 May '20

10 May '20

Hello, I tried to setup exim4 + mailman3 but it seems to stuck at lmtp delivery of mailman3. Could you give me a hint, to detect the reason of failure ? greetings Thomas ---- returned message --- This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu all hosts for 'listen.td3.eu' have been failing for a long time (and retry time not reached) Reporting-MTA: dns; detroit.drillich.net Action: failed Final-Recipient: rfc822;seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu Status: 5.0.0 ----------------------------------------------------------- >exim -bv -d+all seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu ... 19:45:02.715 32200 listen.td3.eu in "+mm_domains"? yes (matched "+mm_domains") 19:45:02.715 32200 checking require_files 19:45:02.715 32200 ┌considering: /var/lib/mailman3//lists/${local_part}.${domain} 19:45:02.715 32200 ├──expanding: /var/lib/mailman3//lists/${local_part}.${domain} 19:45:02.715 32200 └─────result: /var/lib/mailman3//lists/seebruecke.listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 file check: /var/lib/mailman3//lists/${local_part}.${domain} 19:45:02.715 32200 expanded file: /var/lib/mailman3//lists/seebruecke.listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 stat() yielded 0 19:45:02.715 32200 calling mailman3_router router 19:45:02.715 32200 mailman3_router router called for seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 domain = listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 set transport mailman3_transport 19:45:02.715 32200 queued for mailman3_transport transport: local_part = seebruecke 19:45:02.715 32200 domain = listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 errors_to=NULL 19:45:02.715 32200 domain_data=NULL localpart_data=NULL 19:45:02.715 32200 routed by mailman3_router router 19:45:02.715 32200 envelope to: seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 transport: mailman3_transport seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu router = mailman3_router, transport = mailman3_transport # /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/55_mm3_transport mailman3_transport: driver = smtp protocol = lmtp allow_localhost hosts = localhost port = MM3_LMTP_PORT rcpt_include_affixes = true -- mit freundlichem Gruss -- regards Thomas Drillich Heugasse 4 / D-55116 Mainz / Germany fon +49-6131-570-2621 mobil +49-162-469-5875

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Handling of Mail from non-subscribers
by Peter Adebahr 09 May '20

09 May '20

Hi *, I have a fresh setup of MM3 on Ubuntu 20, installed by apt-get. It seems to be running fine so far, except for some (to me) strange behaviour: When posting to the list as a non-subscriber, I see the mail coming in on mailman's smtp.log, then it vanishes. No notice of this mail being hold is sent to the sender, no notice to the moderator, and logging into Postorius as owner of the list, it is not showing up in "Held messages" "Hold for moderation" has been set. Any idea how to debug this will be welcome - thank you :) Best regards, Peter

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PSA: Avoiding spam-scanning outgoing mailman3 mail
by Mark Dadgar 08 May '20

08 May '20

So I integrated SpamAssassin into my mailman3 server the other day, using the ubuntu packages which implement the “standard” SpamAssassin install with a filter on port 25 and re-injection using /usr/sbin/sendmail. From postfix/master.cf: # ========================================================================== # service type private unpriv chroot wakeup maxproc command + args # (yes) (yes) (yes) (never) (100) # ========================================================================== smtp inet n - n - 10 smtpd -o content_filter=spamassassin spamassassin unix - n n - - pipe user=debian-spamd argv=/usr/bin/spamc -f -e /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -f ${sender} ${recipient} The problem there, of course, is that mailman3 traffic gets scanned twice: once on the way in from the original sender and once on the way out as mailman3 duplicates it to list recipients. This is because out-of-the-box mailman3 tends to be configured to re-inject list email via port 25, which is scanning for spam on incoming email. This is horribly inefficient, obviously, and gets worse the bigger your mailing list is. Given that it’s written in Perl, SpamAssassin isn’t the most efficient thing in the first place. Anyway, I got literally zero hits on solving this when I googled it, so here’s mine to save future mailman3+SpamAssassin users some grief. The easy fix was to edit the [mta] setting in mailman.cfg to deliver email via the submit port instead, which has no filtering applied to it: smtp_host: localhost # using the submit port bypasses spamassassin filtering on outgoing list email smtp_port: 587 smtp_user: mm3send <— I created this user for this purpose smtp_pass: <password-for-mm3send-user> This works great and can be applied to any email filtering. FYI. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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Link in the top-left corner of Hyperkitty
by Seth Seeger 08 May '20

08 May '20

Hello, There is a link to the root of Hyperkitty in the top left corner of my Hyperkitty pages. It links to the correct domain, but the text isn’t right - it’s the first domain name I was using at the beginning of my install for testing. I’d like to update it, but can’t find what to change. Thanks, Seth

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Can it work on FreebSD
by Peter Fraser 08 May '20

08 May '20

Hi All I would really be interested in getting this working of FreeBSD. I find the BSD’s to be very stable and easy to maintain. Please could anyone point me to any document or suggestions to get it working on FreeBSD? Much Appreciated. Regards SI Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986

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Post log?
by Mark Dadgar 06 May '20

06 May '20

Is there the equivalent of the post log from mailman 2.x available? I see every logging option but that one listed here: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/config/docs/config.htm… <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/config/docs/config.htm…> That was a handy way to track list traffic statistics and I was hoping to munge up the old mm_stats script to use the mailman3 logging format. I am running the ubuntu 3.2.2-based package. Thanks, as always! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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How to remove a nonmember from a list
by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie 05 May '20

05 May '20

Hi, I've been banging my head against the proverbial wall for more than a day trying to remove nonmembers from a list (I am a Mailman3 and Python novice so that might account for something, but anyway ...) According to https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…, it should be possible to do: MailingList.remove_role('nonmember', 'email_address(a)example.com') However I can't get this to work. I think I have manage to track down all the required imports. This is what I see: TypeError: remove_role() missing 1 required positional argument: 'address' More digging in the docs seems to indicate that a third parameter is required - "self". At this point though I am way out of my depth, and would appreciate any guidance. Thanks very much Stephen Kenny

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HyperKitty Question
by Samir Faci 05 May '20

05 May '20

Okay, I have mailman3 working to allow me to send/receive emails. postorius seems to be working fine. My only issue seems to be with hyperkitty saving the archive. postorius seems to be working fine. Hyperkitty on the other hand is failing. I have nginx running with multiple website being serviced from the same server. I updated the config where port 80 gets redirected to SSL. I tried setting mailman3-hyperkitty.conf to both: base_url: http://localhost/hyperkitty/ base_url: https://lists.domain.com/hyperkitty/ But neither seem to be working. Does hyperkitty require traffic to be going over port 80? -- Thank you Samir Faci https://keybase.io/csgeek

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Re: Installation Wooes
by Mark Sapiro 04 May '20

04 May '20

On 5/3/20 8:13 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > > Postfix Failed Logs. > > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: disconnect from > unknown[198.199.98.177] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=0/1 rset=1 quit=1 commands=4/5 > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: connect from > unknown[198.199.98.177] > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: 745B31473C6: > client=unknown[198.199.98.177] > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/cleanup[1968158]: 745B31473C6: > message-id=<158856165549.136760.840427238489827082@lists> > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/qmgr[1964759]: 745B31473C6: > from=<booh-bounces(a)lists.domain.org So mailman and Postfix are on different machines. That may complicate things, but > <mailto:booh-bounces@lists.domain.org>>, size=5474, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: disconnect from > unknown[198.199.98.177] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/lmtp[1968159]: 745B31473C6: > to=<booh-owner(a)lists.domain.org <mailto:booh-owner@lists.domain.org>>, > relay=lists.domain.org <http://lists.domain.org>[198.199.98.177]:8024, > delay=0.03, delays=0/0/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) This was a successful delivery. > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/qmgr[1964759]: 745B31473C6: removed > May 4 03:07:38 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: connect from > unknown[198.199.98.177] > May 4 03:07:38 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from > unknown[198.199.98.177]: 554 5.7.1 <csgeek(a)domain.com > <mailto:csgeek@domain.com>>: Relay access denied; > from=<booh-bounces+csgeek=domain.com(a)lists.domain.org > <mailto:domain.com@lists.domain.org>> to=<csgeek(a)domain.com > <mailto:csgeek@domain.com>> proto=ESMTP helo=<[127.0.1.1]> You are sending from a remote machine 198.199.98.177 to a presumably remote domain domain.com so relay access is denied as it should be. You need to add 198.199.98.177 to mynetworks in Postfix. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: Installation Wooes
by Mark Sapiro 04 May '20

04 May '20

On 5/3/20 8:43 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > Inline. > > On Sun, May 3, 2020, 20:32 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net > <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> wrote: > > You are sending from a remote machine 198.199.98.177 to a presumably > remote domain domain.com <http://domain.com> so relay access is > denied as it should be. > > You need to add 198.199.98.177 to mynetworks in Postfix. > > > I can but domain.com <http://domain.com> is basically my Gmail I just > regex-ed the logs. If that's the fix is have to add every recepients > domain to mynetworks. You absolutely don't want to do that. The log entry is confusing. Between your munging domains and my MUA adding mailto: links to every email address, it's a mess. Let's try again: May 4 03:07:38 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[198.199.98.177]: 554 5.7.1 <csgeek(a)domain.com>: Relay access denied; from=<booh-bounces+csgeek=domain.com(a)lists.domain.org> to=<csgeek(a)domain.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<[127.0.1.1]>. This says Postfix received a RCPT command from 98.199.98.177. It looks like it comes from Mailman, i.e., the envelope sender loogs like a Mailman VERPed address <booh-bounces+csgeek=domain.com(a)lists.domain.org> for a message to <csgeek(a)domain.com> and that is the envelope recipient and the sender identified itself in EHLO as [127.0.1.1]. So Postfix thinks it is asked to relay from 98.199.98.177 to domain.com. Note that 98.199.98.177 is a Comcast network IP. It has nothing to do with gmail. So is the connect comes from Mailman on the Postfix machine, why does Postfix think it comes from 98.199.98.177. That's the issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Error after upgrading mailman3
by Gelpi Andrea 04 May '20

04 May '20

Hi, in my installation the command mailman notify does not exist. Checking the debian packages I noticed the I could upgrade mailman form 3.2.1 to 3.2.2; mailman-web form 20180916-8 to 20180916-10; python3-django-hyperkitty from 1.2.2 to 1.3.2 I did it with apt-get install After that when I try to go to a postorius page the error Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core in mailman log I found: May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: Cannot import runner module: mailman.runners.rest.RESTRunner May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: Traceback (most recent call last): May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 55, in make_runner May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: runner_class = find_name(class_path) May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 52, in find_name May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: module = import_module(module_path) May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "/usr/lib/python3.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _gcd_import May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 728, in exec_module May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/rest.py", line 27, in <module> May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: from mailman.rest.wsgiapp import make_server May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 25, in <module> May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: from falcon.routing import map_http_methods, set_default_responders May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: ImportError: cannot import name 'map_http_methods' from 'falcon.routing' (/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/falcon/routing/__init__.py) I think there is a dependency error somewhere. Is there a way to solve it? Thank You -- Gelpi ing. Andrea -------------------------------------------------------------- It took the computing power of three C-64s to fly to the Moon. It takes a 486 to run Windows 95. Something is wrong here. --------------------------------------------------------------

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Installation Wooes
by Samir Faci 04 May '20

04 May '20

A few questions about an Ubuntu install. I managed to add my domain to hyperkitty, created a new list and now i'm getting this behavior: ``` May 02 07:47:24 2020 (55358) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 331, in _step_send_confirmation self._set_token(TokenOwner.subscriber) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 157, in _set_token self.token = pendings.add(pendable, timedelta(days=3650)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/pending.py", line 91, in add token = token_factory.new() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py", line 79, in new return self._next_unpredictable_id() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py", line 155, in _next_unpredictable_id x = random.random() + right_now % 1.0 + time.clock() % 1.0 AttributeError: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock' ``` I'm on python 3.8.2 Question #2. I'm setting up mailman 3 on sqlite for simplicity's sake. Do people find the performance of mysql / postgres worth the upgrade? 2B. Is there a migration path if I want to switch to mysql at a later date? -- Thank you Samir Faci https://keybase.io/csgeek

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/bin/sh: sassc: command not found
by Ralf Wiegand 04 May '20

04 May '20

/bin/sh: sassc: command not found - Not sure on what I am missing? FilterError at /hyperkitty/ /bin/sh: sassc: command not found Request Method: GET Request URL: http://192.168.0.27:8000/hyperkitty/ Django Version: 2.2.12 Exception Type: FilterError Exception Value: /bin/sh: sassc: command not found Exception Location: /opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django_compressor-2.4-py3.6.egg/compressor/filters/base.py in input, line 206 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv-3.6/bin/python Python Version: 3.6.8

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Separating Lists by Domain
by brian＠emwd.com 01 May '20

01 May '20

I have successfully setup a second domain with my Mailman3 setup. I also created a list using the second domain. So I have two domains with one list each. The issue I see at this point is all of the lists are shown via Postorius regardless of the list domain used. Is it possible to have only the lists to show that are part of the domain being used to access? For example: http://domaina.com/postorius/lists/ Only listnames(a)domaina.com show up. http://domainb.com/postorius/lists/ Only listnames(a)domainb.com show up. Right now both domaina AND domainb lists showup regardless of the domain being used to access Postorius. The same goes for Hyperkitty as well. Brian

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Running mailman3 on AWS and dealing with SES email verification
by Mohsen Masoudfar 01 May '20

01 May '20

Hi, This seems to be a very basic question and/or issue, but I could not find a reliable for it: Assume a list member with the email address like (just as an example) joe.student(a)university.edu<mailto:joe.student@university.edu> sends an email to a list, Mailman gets the email, processes it and would try to send that email to all members with a sender field as: 'joe.student(a)university.edu<mailto:joe.student@university.edu>'. plus listname(a)listserver.TLD<mailto:listname@listserver.TLD> AWS allows verified email addresses to send an email from an EC2 to internet, so the listname(a)listserver.TLD<mailto:listname@listserver.TLD> is OK, because listserver.TLD is already verified, BUT Joe's email is not and cannot be, because there are thousands of list users and they can change daily. The result is that Mailman's try to send the email would fail with the following error message: Message rejected: Email address is not verified. The following identities failed the check in region US-EAST-1: joe.student(a)university.edu<mailto:joe.student@university.edu> I changed the list property and made it an anonymous one, and it started sending the emails to the whole list members, but only with listname(a)listserver.TLD<mailto:listname@listserver.TLD> as the sender. So the list recipients cannot know the initiator of the discussion. I found some solution: * Asking the members to add their email to the signature * manipulating the from field and add the name of the sender as a comment, not that easy, needs some Python code * manipulating the from files and replacing the @ with something else, not that easy, needs some Python code * . . . More important: None of these would allow a simple click on the reply bottom to send the email to the original sender. I am thinking of running mailman on-premise and use our email relay, which we have full control on. But really, there is no elegant solution for this? I already opened a ticket with AWS support and they just insisted on their policy of verification. Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

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Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
by Mohsen Masoudfar 01 May '20

01 May '20

Hi, I created a list called list_b@newlistserv.<tld<mailto:list_b@newlistserv.%3ctld>> , and added a user to it and invited the user. The user got a welcome email, when the user replies with help, The email gets rejected with the message: list_b wasn't found at newlistserv.<tld> and I see this entry in the postfix log on the server: postfix/smtpd[6757]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-eopbgr750113.outbound.xxx: 550 5.1.1 <list_b(a)newlistserv.xxx>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<xxx> to=<list_b(a)newlistserv.xxx> proto=ESMTP helo=<NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com> I am new to mailman3, my understanding was, maybe wrong, that when I create a list, mailman3 adds that to the local list of users. I think , I am missing something . . . Or probably this is related to a postfix setting? Best regards Mohsen

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I have issue where it does not send emails on to people in the list I create.
by john_warland＠hotmail.com 30 Apr '20

30 Apr '20

Hello, I am quite new to Mailman3 and have been trying to get a working local test setup on a single VM (Centos07) I have issue where if I send an email to the list. it does not send emails on to the people subscribed to that list. Note the steps below were put together from memory after a few days of repeatably trying different things so there will be some inaccuracies I have mailman running on same local box as postfix, postorius and hyperkitty. I have root as the superuser in Postorius and have tried the following: In unix shell created new user 'developer' In unix shell created new user 'tester' In shell send an email from developer user to tester: echo 'Hello' | mailx -s 'Hello Subject line' tester(a)sandbox.mytest.com Confirmed user tester received email in cat /home/tester/Maildir/new/ folder: Return-Path: <developer(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com> X-Original-To: tester(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com Delivered-To: tester(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com Received: by cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) In Postorius web frontend: Signed up as root Received confirmation email in /root/Maildir/new/ folder so cut and pasted the Url in the email to activate account. Created new list called testlist(a)sandbox.mytest.com Logged out Signed up as tester Received confirmation email in /home/tester/Maildir/new/ folder so cut and pasted the Url to activate account. Subscribed tester to the testlist. Next in unix shell su as developer and send an email to testlist(a)sandbox.mytest.com The root user gets the following email Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your message to testlist(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com awaits moderator approval From: testlist-bounces(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com To: developer(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com Message-ID: <158824480291.3035.17408340520496115243(a)localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:06:42 +0000 Precedence: bulk X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.0 Your mail to 'testlist(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com' with the subject hello there 2 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The message is being held because: The message is not from a list member Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. Once I have gone back into Postorius as root and approved the message, root user gets a second email: Return-Path: <testlist-bounces(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com> X-Original-To: root(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com Delivered-To: root(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E056A84CE4 for <root(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com>; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8F1B684CE4; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:06:41 +0000 To: testlist(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20200430110641.8F1B684CE4(a)sandbox.mytest.com> From: developer(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com X-MailFrom: developer(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: nonmember-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation Message-ID-Hash: FAPTJKJRZG2ELSOSBRBIDOBWXP3Y5QAY X-Message-ID-Hash: FAPTJKJRZG2ELSOSBRBIDOBWXP3Y5QAY X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:09:10 +0000 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.0 Precedence: list Subject: [Testlist] hello there 2 List-Id: A test list <testlist.sandbox.mytest.com> List-Help: <mailto:testlist-request@sandbox.mytest.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:testlist@sandbox.mytest.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:testlist-join@sandbox.mytest.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:testlist-leave@sandbox.mytest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A test email 2 _______________________________________________ Testlist mailing list -- testlist(a)sandbox.mytest.com To unsubscribe send an email to testlist-leave(a)sandbox.mytest.com At no point does the email appear in the tester(a)sandbox.mytest.com Maildir Configs as follows.. ================================================================================================== /etc/postfix/main.cf: ================================================================================================== queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix command_directory = /usr/sbin daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix data_directory = /var/lib/postfix mail_owner = postfix myhostname = cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com mydomain = sandbox.mytest.com myorigin = $mydomain inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, mail.$mydomain, www.$mydomain, ftp.$mydomain, sandbox.mytest.com unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 # Next line Obfuscated mynetworks = 192.***.***.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8 alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases recipient_delimiter = + home_mailbox = Maildir/ debug_peer_level = 2 debug_peer_list = sandbox.mytest.com debugger_command = PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin ddd $daemon_directory/$process_name $process_id & sleep 5 sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix setgid_group = postdrop html_directory = no manpage_directory = /usr/share/man sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.10.1/samples readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.10.1/README_FILES disable_dns_lookups = yes owner_request_special = no transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/postfix_lmtp # Setting to nothing fixes 'Recepient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table local_recipient_maps = relay_domains = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/postfix_domains ================================================================================================== /etc/mailman.cfg ================================================================================================== [devmode] enabled: yes recipient: root(a)sandbox.mytest.com [mailman] # local = Recommended as installing mailman from source. Folder structure in /var/tmp/mailman # fhs = /var/bin, /var/log, etc.. layout: fhs [logging.database] level: info [mta] # This config is for when mailman and the MTA (Postfix) are on the same host incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix [webservice] hostname: localhost port: 8001 use_https: no admin_user: restadmin admin_pass: restpass api_version: 3.1 ================================================================================================== /etc/mailman-suite-1.0.0/mailman-suite_project/settings.py ================================================================================================== In this file the main changes were: DEBUG=True SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)localhost.local' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' Commented out three lines of code: # if DEBUG == True: # EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.filebased.EmailBackend' # EMAIL_FILE_PATH = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'emails') Complete file: """ Django Settings for Mailman Suite (hyperkitty + postorius) For more information on this file, see https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/topics/settings/ For the full list of settings and their values, see https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/ """ # Build paths inside the project like this: os.path.join(BASE_DIR, ...) import os BASE_DIR = os.path.dirname(os.path.abspath(__file__)) # SECURITY WARNING: keep the secret key used in production secret! SECRET_KEY = 'change-this-on-your-production-server' # SECURITY WARNING: don't run with debug turned on in production! # Have to keep it True atm as the css styles screw up when set to False DEBUG = True ADMINS = ( ('Mailman Suite Admin', 'root@localhost'), ) SITE_ID = 1 # Hosts/domain names that are valid for this site; required if DEBUG is False # See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#allowed-hosts ALLOWED_HOSTS = [ "localhost", # Archiving API from Mailman, keep it. "MAILMAN_SERVER_ADDRESS", <--- I inject IP Address here # Add here all production URLs you may have. ] # Mailman API credentials MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = 'restpass' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'SecretArchiverAPIKey' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('127.0.0.1', '::1') # Application definition INSTALLED_APPS = ( 'hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', # Uncomment the next line to enable the admin: 'django.contrib.admin', # Uncomment the next line to enable admin documentation: # 'django.contrib.admindocs', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.github', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.gitlab', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.google', # 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.facebook', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.twitter', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.stackexchange', ) MIDDLEWARE = ( 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware', ) ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' TEMPLATES = [ { 'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': { 'context_processors': [ 'django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius', ], }, }, ] WSGI_APPLICATION = 'wsgi.application' # Database # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#databases DATABASES = { 'default': { # Use 'sqlite3', 'postgresql_psycopg2', 'mysql', 'sqlite3' or 'oracle'. 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.sqlite3', # DB name or path to database file if using sqlite3. 'NAME': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'mailmansuite.db'), # The following settings are not used with sqlite3: 'USER': 'mailmansuite', 'PASSWORD': 'mmpass', # HOST: empty for localhost through domain sockets or '127.0.0.1' for # localhost through TCP. 'HOST': '', # PORT: set to empty string for default. 'PORT': '', } # Example for PostgreSQL (recommanded for production): #'default': { # 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', # 'NAME': 'database_name', # 'USER': 'database_user', # 'PASSWORD': 'database_password', # 'HOST': 'localhost', #} } # If you're behind a proxy, use the X-Forwarded-Host header # See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#use-x-forwarded-host # USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True # And if your proxy does your SSL encoding for you, set SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#secure-proxy-ssl-header # SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = ('HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO', 'https') # SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = ('HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SCHEME', 'https') # Other security settings # SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = True # If you set SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT to True, make sure the SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT # contains at least this line: # SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [ # "archives/api/mailman/.*", # Request from Mailman. # ] # SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = True # SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True # SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = True # CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = True # CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True # X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' # Password validation # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.9/ref/settings/#auth-password-validators AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = [ { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.UserAttributeSimilarityValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.MinimumLengthValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.CommonPasswordValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.NumericPasswordValidator', }, ] # Internationalization # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/topics/i18n/ LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_TZ = True # Static files (CSS, JavaScript, Images) # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/howto/static-files/ # Absolute path to the directory static files should be collected to. # Don't put anything in this directory yourself; store your static files # in apps' "static/" subdirectories and in STATICFILES_DIRS. # Example: "/var/www/example.com/static/" STATIC_ROOT = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'static') # URL prefix for static files. # Example: "http://example.com/static/", "http://static.example.com/" STATIC_URL = '/static/' # Additional locations of static files STATICFILES_DIRS = ( # Put strings here, like "/home/html/static" or "C:/www/django/static". # Always use forward slashes, even on Windows. # Don't forget to use absolute paths, not relative paths. # BASE_DIR + '/static/', ) # List of finder classes that know how to find static files in # various locations. STATICFILES_FINDERS = ( 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', # 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.DefaultStorageFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder', ) # Django 1.6+ defaults to a JSON serializer, but it won't work with # django-openid, see # https://bugs.launchpad.net/django-openid-auth/+bug/1252826 SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' # If you enable internal authentication, this is the address that the emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#default-from-email # DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = "mailing-lists(a)you-domain.org" DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)localhost.local' # If you enable email reporting for error messages, this is where those emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#std:setting-SERVER_EMAIL # SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)your-domain.org' SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)localhost.local' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' # Compatibility with Bootstrap 3 from django.contrib.messages import constants as messages # flake8: noqa MESSAGE_TAGS = { messages.ERROR: 'danger' } # # Social auth # AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = ( 'django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend', ) # Django Allauth ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = "username_email" ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = "mandatory" # You probably want https in production, but this is a dev setup file ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = "http" ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = { 'openid': { 'SERVERS': [ dict(id='yahoo', name='Yahoo', openid_url='http://me.yahoo.com'), ], }, 'google': { 'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}, }, 'facebook': { 'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': [ 'email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone', ], 'VERSION': 'v2.4', }, } # # Gravatar # https://github.com/twaddington/django-gravatar # # Gravatar base url. # GRAVATAR_URL = 'http://cdn.libravatar.org/' # Gravatar base secure https url. # GRAVATAR_SECURE_URL = 'https://seccdn.libravatar.org/' # Gravatar size in pixels. # GRAVATAR_DEFAULT_SIZE = '80' # An image url or one of the following: 'mm', 'identicon', 'monsterid', # 'wavatar', 'retro'. # GRAVATAR_DEFAULT_IMAGE = 'mm' # One of the following: 'g', 'pg', 'r', 'x'. # GRAVATAR_DEFAULT_RATING = 'g' # True to use https by default, False for plain http. # GRAVATAR_DEFAULT_SECURE = True # # django-compressor # https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django_compressor # COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = ( ('text/less', 'lessc {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-scss', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ) # On a production setup, setting COMPRESS_OFFLINE to True will bring a # significant performance improvement, as CSS files will not need to be # recompiled on each requests. It means running an additional "compress" # management command after each code upgrade. # http://django-compressor.readthedocs.io/en/latest/usage/#offline-compression # COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True # Needed for debug mode # INTERNAL_IPS = ('127.0.0.1',) # # Full-text search engine # HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, "fulltext_index"), # You can also use the Xapian engine, it's faster and more accurate, # but requires another library. # http://django-haystack.readthedocs.io/en/v2.4.1/installing_search_engines.h… # Example configuration for Xapian: #'ENGINE': 'xapian_backend.XapianEngine' }, } # # Asynchronous tasks # Q_CLUSTER = { 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', } # A sample logging configuration. The only tangible logging # performed by this configuration is to send an email to # the site admins on every HTTP 500 error when DEBUG=False. # See http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/logging for # more details on how to customize your logging configuration. LOGGING = { 'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': { 'require_debug_false': { '()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse' } }, 'handlers': { 'mail_admins': { #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler' }, 'file':{ #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', #'class': 'logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler', 'class': 'logging.handlers.WatchedFileHandler', 'filename': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'logs', 'mailmansuite.log'), 'formatter': 'verbose', }, 'console': { 'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple', }, }, 'loggers': { 'django.request': { 'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True, }, 'django': { 'handlers': ['file'], #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True, }, 'hyperkitty': { 'handlers': ['file'], #'level': 'DEBUG', 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True, }, 'postorius': { 'handlers': ['console', 'file'], #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', }, }, 'formatters': { 'verbose': { 'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s' }, 'simple': { 'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s' }, }, 'root': { 'handlers': ['file'], #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', }, } # Using the cache infrastructure can significantly improve performance on a # production setup. This is an example with a local Memcached server. #CACHES = { # 'default': { # 'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.memcached.PyLibMCCache', # 'LOCATION': '127.0.0.1:11211', # } #} # When DEBUG is True, don't actually send emails to the SMTP server, just store # them in a directory. This way you won't accidentally spam your mailing-lists # while you're fiddling with the code. # Kept DEBUG=True as it breaks css styling when set to False so commented out this code as temp fix. #if DEBUG == True: # EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.filebased.EmailBackend' # EMAIL_FILE_PATH = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'emails') # # HyperKitty-specific # # Only display mailing-lists from the same virtual host as the webserver FILTER_VHOST = False POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' try: from settings_local import * except ImportError: pass

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Importing Mailman 2 Lists apart from Django
by Brian Carpenter 30 Apr '20

30 Apr '20

Hello Mailman Users, Are there instructions on importing a Mailman 2 list into a Mailman 3 core installation only? Does the import21 script not need Django/Postorius/Hyperkitty? It seems Django is required to import archives I guess because of the use of Hyperkitty. How about importing archives without having a Django installation? Is that what the prototype archiver for? We are getting ready to start working on a custom forum application for Mailman 3 (called Empathy) and I am would like to import some mailman 2 archives into the development server to work with. Thanks. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

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MM3 on debian - redirect problem
by Gelpi Andrea 30 Apr '20

30 Apr '20

Hi, on a debian10 I have mm3 installed via apt-get apt-get install mailman3-full dpkg-reconfigure mailman3 dpkg-reconfigure mailman3-web I have this minor issue https://webserver/mailman3 redirects to http://webserver/mailman/postorius/lists/ that doesn't exist. The same problem form django admin page to return to lists https://website/mailman3/admin/sites/site In the upper right corner I have a link to https://webserver/mailman3 that redirects to https://mailman/postorius/lists/ I searched for a redirect but without success. Thank You -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

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mailman3 vs postfix
by Ralf Wiegand 29 Apr '20

29 Apr '20

Hello, I need some help to get the postfix part to work right. Because this is a test setup I don't really send any emails out. How can I create a admin login account without email verification? Thank you, best regards Ralf Wiegand

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Fwd: [GNC-dev] Passwords are Confidential
by flywire 29 Apr '20

29 Apr '20

Looking forward to Mailman 3. How can I get an indication of when Mailman 3 code is likely to run on Fedora 29? On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:42 AM Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/25/20 2:08 AM, flywire wrote: > > MailMan version 2.1.29 > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 6:08 PM Adrien Monteleone wrote: > > > > You can turn off the reminder in your mailman settings. > > > > As this is part of the mailman code, perhaps a bug report to them > > would be in order concerning the storage issue. > > > > Regards, > > Adrien > > > > > On Apr 24, 2020 w17d115, at 11:29 PM, flywire > > > > > > My password is confidential so please don't email it to me in > > plain text. > > > Don't even store it, instead encrypt what I entered and store that > > so you > > > can verify an encrypted version of the password I enter in the > future. > > > This is a well known, long standing issue which will not be fixed in > Mailman 2.1. See <https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/265179> > > It is fixed in Mailman 3. > > -- > Mark Sapiro > Derek Atkins 2020-04-25 18:32:15 EDT Code runs Fedora 29. Mailman 3 isn't available on F29. When code gets upgraded, mailman will be upgraded. As for turning off the reminder; you can turn it off yourself. Thank you.

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having issues with EMAIL_HOST =
by Ralf Wiegand 28 Apr '20

28 Apr '20

python manage.py runserver 0.0.0.0:8000 Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 381, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 325, in execute settings.INSTALLED_APPS File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/conf/__init__.py", line 79, in __getattr__ self._setup(name) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/conf/__init__.py", line 66, in _setup self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/conf/__init__.py", line 157, in __init__ mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 994, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 971, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 955, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 665, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 674, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 781, in get_code File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 741, in source_to_code File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/settings.py", line 286 EMAIL_HOST = ‘mail.somedomain.org’ ^ SyntaxError: invalid character in identifier Mark - I don't want to complain all the time, but it is a nightmare to install and setup mailman3. Any idea why I am getting the above message? Thank You, Ralf Wiegand

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hyperkitty web site
by Gelpi Andrea 28 Apr '20

28 Apr '20

Hi, after importing old mm2 messages into mm3 archive I found that hyperkitty dos not show the lists index in home page if FILTER_VHOST = True https://website/mailman3/hyperkitty/ show an empty lists. If I add list/list@domain1 I can see the archive. I think the problem is the domain name example.com that I saw in the upper left corner. If in django administration I rename that site it works. But having more than one domain this is not a solution. what i need is to separate different domains https:/website1/mailman3/hyperkitty shows some lists https:/website2/mailman3/hyperkitty shows other lists Where am I wrong? What have I to change in hyperkitty to have the correct domain shown? Is there a documentation to configure that? Hyperkitty version is 1.2.2 Thank you. -- Gelpi ing. Andrea -------------------------------------------------------------- It took the computing power of three C-64s to fly to the Moon. It takes a 486 to run Windows 95. Something is wrong here. --------------------------------------------------------------

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How to access my mailman 3 REST API over https and from another machine?
by Shashikanth Komandoor 28 Apr '20

28 Apr '20

Hi, I have setup Mailman 3.3 version and would like to use the REST API by another application. But that application is on another machine and so I need to allow accessibility from another machine also. Along with that as I am trying to access from another machine I need to access the REST API of mailman 3 over https only. Could any one guide me to enable mailman 3 REST API over https and access from another machine other than localhost only ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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MM2 to MM3 on debian 10
by Gelpi Andrea 28 Apr '20

28 Apr '20

Hi, on a debian 10 with MM3 I'm trying to migrate form some old MM2 mailing lists. I know that not all can work. In my old lists I have email and regular expressions in reject_these_nonmembers and discard_these_nonmembers After importing the list all these email are in non member list. All these email have Delivery status enabled. Does this mean that all of them will receive any message sent to the list? The moderation rule is correct, but if I understood correct Delivery status should be disabled. For migration I followed this link https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html To migrate archives it states to run python manage.py hyperkitty ... I cant' find a manage.py on debian 10 A search shows the only /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py exists. Is there any documentation specific for debian? Thank You -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to know the URLs for CURL while getting or modifying the data of mailman 3
by Stephen J. Turnbull 25 Apr '20

25 Apr '20

Shashi, This whole thread is off-topic for the developers list. This list is for development of Mailman, not for teaching people to use it. Read the whole recommended documentation before you ask busy developers to tutor you in very basic things. There's a mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list for users to help each other. All of the Mailman developers who might be willing to answer your questions are there as well, but there are also many experienced users, some of whom have experimented with the REST API who will also help. Please reply there for further help. (Reply-To is set.) That said, there are plenty of URLs in the API documentation. Here's a hint: search for "dump_json". That function takes an URL. You may want https: instead of http: in your URLs, and you may need to change the port from 9001, depending on the configuration of your REST server. Try it with simple GET requests for information first, such as for domains or lists. You can also do these requests with an ordinary web browser, though I don't know what it will do with the JSON-formatted reply. If you don't have domains and lists configured, I suppose the informational requests will come back as empty JSON objects. It should be safe to make them. You can either use Postorius to bootstrap a few example domains, lists, and users, or (the hard way) figure out how to POST appropriate requests. I don't recommend trying to update the backend DBMS by hand; the schema is quite complicated. I don't know how to use curl to update Mailman's databases. That requires a POST request which I have never done with curl. The POST request needs to be valid JSON. The more I think about this, the less I think your idea of using curl is worthwhile, because formatting JSON requests by hand is going to be a real annoyance and a great way to mess up your database with spurious information. You're really going to want programmatic support for this. But that's already all available in Python in the Mailman system. It's up to you, but I feel a responsibility to warn you that using curl is not going to be simpler than learning enough Python to do these things. Regards,

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Bounce processing
by Andrew Hodgson 23 Apr '20

23 Apr '20

Hi, Just upgraded to Mailman 3.3.1 at the beginning of the week and its very refreshing to have bounce processing working after all this time, stops the continued delivery to dud email addresses causing problems with junk email scoring. Anyway after a few days of using this I have noted the following feedback: When users are set to disabled after their bounce score reaches a certain threshold, I seem to recall on Mailman 2 they were sent an email with a link to reactivate their subscription. On Mailman 3 they are told to contact the list admin, I have had messages from a few subscribers regarding this asking how they can re-enable delivery. I am also getting bounces that look like they are coming from Qmail (Yahoo addresses) which are being forwarded to the list owner as unrecognised bounces. Should the type of bounces that Mailman 2 was handling be handled in Mailman 3 or is the way that the addresses are extracted different? I have disabled the relevant users but do have the bounces to hand. Thanks. Andrew.

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Changing web access
by Ralf Wiegand 22 Apr '20

22 Apr '20

Hello Members, I am testing mailman3 in a test environment. python manage.py runserver Performing system checks... System check identified no issues (0 silenced). April 22, 2020 - 14:13:57 Django version 2.2.12, using settings 'settings' Starting development server at http://127.0.0.1:8000/ Quit the server with CONTROL-C. tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6497/python tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6404/python How can I change this to have access from any host on my local network. The server running mailman3+hyperkitty+postorius is a rhel7 server without a GUI interface. I also need to give access to our developer on the same subnet. Thank You, Best regards, Ralf Wiegand

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Can't open PID file after start.
by Torge Riedel 22 Apr '20

22 Apr '20

Hi, today there were some package upgrades on my server for python3. Just to be safe I did a "systemctl restart mailman" afterwards. Calling "systemctl status mailman" gave me the following output: mailman.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/opt/mailman/core/mailman.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Wed 2020-04-22 07:01:30 CEST; 6s ago Process: 24178 ExecStop=/opt/mailman/core/bin/mailman.sh stop (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 24180 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/core/bin/mailman.sh start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 24182 (python3) Tasks: 13 (limit: 2335) CGroup: /system.slice/mailman.service ├─24182 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/master -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg ├─24185 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=archive:0:1 ├─24186 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 ├─24187 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=command:0:1 ├─24188 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=in:0:1 ├─24189 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=lmtp:0:1 ├─24190 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=nntp:0:1 ├─24191 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=out:0:1 ├─24192 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=pipeline:0:1 ├─24193 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 ├─24194 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=retry:0:1 ├─24195 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=virgin:0:1 └─24196 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 Apr 22 07:01:28 basis2 systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... Apr 22 07:01:29 basis2 mailman.sh[24180]: Starting Mailman's master runner Apr 22 07:01:29 basis2 systemd[1]: mailman.service: Can't open PID file /opt/mailman/var/master.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory Apr 22 07:01:30 basis2 systemd[1]: Started GNU Mailing List Manager. Should I treat the PID message as an info or is it an error and something is now broken? The file is there (content is 24182) and timestamp is from the time where I restarted mailman. Best Torge

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Different Mail Domain Cause Key Error
by Brian Carpenter 22 Apr '20

22 Apr '20

I have a client that requires his list address to be list(a)domain.com. But since he is using domain.com for an external website, he has to access his list via Postorius using list.domain.com. So here is what I did: Django Admin Add Site: list.domain.com Add Mail Domain: domain.com (Site selected is list.domain.com) Postorius Add Domain: Mailhost is domain.com. Web Host is list.domain.com (list.domain.com). I have list.domain.com listed in the allowed hosts in settings_local.py. I even added domain.com there as well. When I try to access Postorius using list.domain.com I get a "An error occurred while processing your request." message and the logs shows the dreaded: ``` 'Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/ KeyError at /mailman3/lists/ 'file' ``` Did I miss a step here? Thanks, Brian

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MM3 gateway errors and frequent reboot needs
by hansen＠rc.org 22 Apr '20

22 Apr '20

We have had to reboot the list server almost every week and wonder if there is something leaking and eating up resources. I does not appear to be memory, though. The server is slow to respond (could be because it's overseas) and then after some time we get intermittent gateway errors and finally we cannot access the lists online because of the gateway errors. It appears to me that the issue is with Postorius, but I could be wrong. Do files get closed after opening? Are we alone having such issues? Please advise. PS: My old MM2 installation could (and did) run without any help. Not so with MM3.

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Mailman Core 3.3.1 release
by Abhilash Raj 19 Apr '20

19 Apr '20

Hey Everyone, I am pleased to announce Mailman Core 3.3.1 is now out. This release includes support for bounce processing, which had been lacking in Mailman 3 until now. So, after upgrading to this release, you will notice bounce related notifications from Mailman 3 being sent out to list owners if the list has bounce processing enabled (which, most list do by default). Postorius changes for new bounce processing options are coming out soon, I would like the current head to bake in a little longer since it went through bootstrap 4 upgrade recently. Expect it to be out in about a month. If your users would really care about bounce processing being enabled and not being able to tune threshold and notification parameters in the web interface, you might want to wait for Postorius's next release before upgrading. It also exposes all the remaining attributes of MailingList via REST API, so Postorius can expose them in the Web Interface. This should finally make all attributes of a MailingList manageable via Web Interface, without having to access command line interface. There has also been a whole lot of bug fixes. A full list of changes can be found at: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html#id1 The release is available via PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/3.3.1/ To install this release via pip, you can run: $ pip install --upgrade mailman -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Extract posts into mbox file
by Andrew Bernard 18 Apr '20

18 Apr '20

Where are the posts stored in the database? What tables? How would on go about exporting them into mbox format for the complete set?

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Recommended way to backup a mailman3 instance
by Gilles Filippini 18 Apr '20

18 Apr '20

Hi, I'd like to schedule periodic backup for our mailman3 instance. Are there recommended ways for doing this without down times? Thanks in advance, _g.

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Is a directory: '…/mailman/templates'
by Stefan Tatschner 14 Apr '20

14 Apr '20

hey folks, I am struggling with my mailman server for quite some time now. I am on 3.3 and the out runner cannot sent emails any more. According to this issue [1] I found out--by logging the exception as well--, that mailman has this problem: Mar 31 09:34:51 2020 (71057) ACCEPT: <c1e4aa1be5b61c289c69a66a6d55565333d5a35b.camel(a)rumpelsepp.org> Mar 31 09:34:52 2020 (71079) Cannot connect to SMTP server 127.0.0.1 on port 25: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/templates' What the hell is going on here? ☹︎ any ideas what's wrong? The runner doesn't try to connect to postfix, since it fails with a strange template error. Stefan [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/514

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Mailman Core 3.3.1rc1 release
by Abhilash Raj 10 Apr '20

10 Apr '20

Hey Everyone, I have just released Mailman Core 3.3.1rc1. The final release is scheduled for next week, 17th April. This release includes support for bounce processing, which had been lacking in Mailman 3 until now. So, after upgrading to this release, you will notice bounce related notifications from Mailman 3 being sent out to list owners if the list has bounce processing enabled (which, most list do by default). Postorius changes for new bounce processing options are coming out soon, I would like the current head to bake in a little longer since it went through bootstrap 4 upgrade recently. Expect it to be out in about a month. If your users would really care about bounce processing being enabled and not being able to tune threshold and notification parameters in the web interface, you might want to wait for Postorius's next release before upgrading. It also exposes all the remaining attributes of MailingList via REST API, so Postorius can expose them in the Web Interface. This should finally make all attributes of a MailingList manageable via Web Interface, without having to access command line interface. There has also been a whole lot of bug fixes. A full list of changes can be found at: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html#rc1 The release is available via PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/3.3.1rc1/ To install this release via pip, you can run: $ pip install --upgrade --pre mailman Note the `--pre` flag because this is a pre-release. If you can, I encourage you to try this out with your environment and report any major breakage to us. We have been running this code on the server hosting this list, so it has already seen some testing, but it is always nice to have some more. If there aren't any major breaking changes reported, the final release will be identical to this one. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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SMTPAuthenticationError at /accounts/login/
by mmasoudf＠aaas.org 09 Apr '20

09 Apr '20

I have setup the stack according to: Mailman Suite Documentation. Release 3.3 PDF file. I configured EMAIL_HOST_USER and EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD in Django settings.py. I could not find the place that I might configure it for Postfix and , sort of logically, I get the following error: SMTPAuthenticationError at /accounts/login/ I can see that it tries the user name and password I configured in settings.py (EMAIL_HOST_USER , EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD). When I try to access the site through the web. I can login as admin, but not as any other user. I am running the site on AWS and to be able to use AWS mail-servers I have to define following parameter for AWS: smtp_sasl_password_maps which points to a hash for AWS 'ACCESS KEY ID' and 'SECRET ACCESS KEY' Any idea is highly appreciated.

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Loads of postgres requests: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" ...
by Gilles Filippini 09 Apr '20

09 Apr '20

Hello, I run a small mailman3 server (6 lists, less than 100 users), and I can't access anymore to the administration web page for one of these lists: > Something went wrong > Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. The other lists seems OK. Looking at the postregsql logs I see a full load of these requests (4 to 5 per second!): LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2020-04-09T07:57:37.828200+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 Any clue appreciated. Many thanks in advance, _g.

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Re: Uncaught runner exception
by Wolfgang Bock 09 Apr '20

09 Apr '20

Hello Mark, thanks for your hint. Postfix is runnig as mta on my machine. I tested port 25 with swaks ->mail to user on server: localhost port 25 -> everything fine Mailman is configured with localhost for incoming and outgoing mails. After stopping mailman3, deleting all files in the queue directories, restart mailman3 I sent a test-mail /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log Apr 07 12:08:23 2020 (28198) Master started Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28206) out runner started. Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28202) command runner started. Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28203) in runner started. Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28200) archive runner started. Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28201) bounces runner started. Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28210) retry runner started. Apr 07 12:08:25 2020 (28208) rest runner started. Apr 07 12:08:25 2020 (28212) digest runner started. Apr 07 12:08:25 2020 (28205) nntp runner started. Apr 07 12:08:26 2020 (28211) virgin runner started. Apr 07 12:08:26 2020 (28207) pipeline runner started. Apr 07 12:08:26 2020 (28204) lmtp runner started. Apr 07 12:09:19 2020 (28203) ACCEPT: <000f01d60cc4$96c9a8d0$c45cfa70$@[domain]> Apr 07 12:09:21 2020 (28206) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 I have no idea what to do for solving my problems. Regards from Hamburg Wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Gesendet: Montag, 6. April 2020 23:50 An: Wolfgang Bock <mailinglisten(a)wbock.de> Betreff: Re: [MM3-users] Re: Uncaught runner exception On 4/6/20 2:44 PM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: > Thank you Steven for your reply! > > I Set smtp_server to port 25 and got a "Cannot connect ro SMTP Server > on port 25", the former error message didn't show again. > > As I see port 25 is reseved for postfix. So I have to fiddle out how > mailman3 could also use this port for sending mails out. .... You need an MTA for Mailman to deliver its mail to. Normally this will be Postfix, sendmail, Exim, etc running on localhost and listening on port 25. Do you have such an MTA running on localhost? Note, Mailman does not directly send mail to end recipients. It only delivers mail to an outgoing MTA. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Outgoing STMP services? IP reputations?
by Seth Seeger 07 Apr '20

07 Apr '20

Hello everyone, Forgive me if this is the wrong list. I’m curious to hear what users are doing for MM3 hosting and what you are using for outgoing services. I am hosting a Mailman3 installation for a community that I am part of, and we have 6 lists which generated 136,000 outgoing emails last month. I’m currently hosting this on a 2-core 4GB RAM EC2 (t3a.medium) instance at Amazon. I went with Amazon because their outgoing email relay (SES) is free for the first 62,000 emails/month. (I didn’t do my homework - I thought that would be plenty!) I’d much rather be hosting on Linode, since their setup is waaaaay simpler and easier to understand. I went with an SMTP service so that I wouldn’t have to deal with managing an IP address reputation…. (Any other SMTP relay service besides the Amazon SES/hosting would cost >$80/month.) Do you use an SMTP relay service? Do you just send directly from your VM’s IP address? Do you have trouble with getting black listed? What have you done about your IP address reputation? Is DKIM and SPF enough to get past an IP address without an established reputation? Thank you! Seth

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Uncaught runner exception
by Wolfgang Bock 07 Apr '20

07 Apr '20

Hello, I need your help. I got a "Uncaught runner exception: invalid literal for int() with base 10:" Referring to a discussion in Sept. 2019 with Manos Pitsidianakis "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25" I did following: stop both postfix and mailman 3 services. Deleted all files in the /var/lib/mailman3/queue directories. Restarted both services. With following configurations: (extracts): /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver smtp_host: Tried with 127.0.0.1/localhost/server ip or FQDN=servername smtp_port: (got a "cannot connect to SMTP Server on port 25") so I let this item empty ... smtp_user: smtp_pass: lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix /var/log/postfix/mail.info Apr 6 00:02:22 ... postfix/postfix-script[31407]: starting the Postfix mail system Apr 6 00:02:22 ... postfix/master[31409]: daemon started -- version 3.4.8, configuration /etc/postfix Apr 6 00:03:09 ... postfix/smtpd[31462]: connect from mout-p-103.mailbox.org[80.241.56.161] Apr 6 00:03:09 ... policyd-spf[31468]: prepend Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=80.241.56.161; helo=mout-p-103.mailbox.org; envelope-from=[mail address]; receiver=<UNKNOWN> Apr 6 00:03:09 ... postfix/smtpd[31462]: D29FE138023E: client=mout-p-103.mailbox.org[80.241.56.161] Apr 6 00:03:09 ... postfix/cleanup[31471]: D29FE138023E: message-id=<6a504834-123a-60f6-3a0e-494623b74523(a)mailbox.org> Apr 6 00:03:25 ... postfix/qmgr[31411]: D29FE138023E: from=<[mail address]>, size=2811, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Apr 6 00:03:25 ... postfix/smtpd[31462]: disconnect from mout-p-103.mailbox.org[80.241.56.161] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 Apr 6 00:03:25 ... postfix/lmtp[31481]: D29FE138023E: to=<[list address]>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=16, delays=16/0.01/0/0.1, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Apr 6 00:03:25 ... postfix/qmgr[31411]: D29FE138023E: removed /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log Apr 06 00:02:12 2020 (31148) Master started Apr 06 00:02:13 2020 (31158) rest runner started. Apr 06 00:02:13 2020 (31150) archive runner started. Apr 06 00:02:13 2020 (31159) retry runner started. Apr 06 00:02:14 2020 (31161) virgin runner started. Apr 06 00:02:14 2020 (31154) lmtp runner started. Apr 06 00:02:14 2020 (31155) nntp runner started. Apr 06 00:02:14 2020 (31153) in runner started. Apr 06 00:02:14 2020 (31151) bounces runner started. Apr 06 00:02:15 2020 (31157) pipeline runner started. Apr 06 00:02:15 2020 (31152) command runner started. Apr 06 00:02:15 2020 (31162) digest runner started. Apr 06 00:02:16 2020 (31156) out runner started. Apr 06 00:03:26 2020 (31153) ACCEPT: <6a504834-123a-60f6-3a0e-494623b74523(a)mailbox.org> Apr 06 00:03:26 2020 (31156) Uncaught runner exception: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '' Apr 06 00:03:26 2020 (31156) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 77, in deliver agent = BulkDelivery(int(config.mta.max_recipients)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/mta/bulk.py", line 50, in __init__ super().__init__() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 45, in __init__ config.mta.smtp_host, int(config.mta.smtp_port), Any hints how to solve the problem?? Regards Wolfgang

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Protocol version
by David Krantz 05 Apr '20

05 Apr '20

Hi. I have the following displayed when I look at the "System Information" in Postorius: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.0 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.6 (default, Dec 19 2019, 23:49:42) [GCC 5.4.0 20160609] What surprises me is the protocol version. I have tried to set the protocol version to 3.1 in mailman core (which should be the latest according to the documentation) and restarting both core and web but that gives no effect. Normally I have not had any protocol version defined. Everything seems to work just fine but something is strange, either the documentation, my setup or mailman/postorius. // David

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Postorius confirmation mails shown in uwsgi-error.log but not sent
by Ralph Seichter 04 Apr '20

04 Apr '20

I have struggled for hours but cannot seem to figure it out. After registering new user accounts in Postorius, the "confirm your address" emails don't get sent via SMTP (my MTA does not even log connection attempts), but their content is displayed in uwsgi-error.log. I think I disabled developer mode in Core and Postorius: $ mailman conf | grep devmode [devmode] enabled: no [devmode] recipient: [devmode] testing: no [devmode] wait: 60s $ grep ^DEBUG settings.py DEBUG = False Users can subscribe via list-join(a)domain.tld, including confirmations. Account registration using the WebUI works as well, it's just the emails that don't get sent. What am I missing, I wonder? -Ralph

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Finding a mailman3 installation description that works
by ralf.wiegand＠tena-sda.org 01 Apr '20

01 Apr '20

WE are currently using mailman2. I have the task to setup and install a maiman3 server. Postfix is installed and working. Can anybody point me to a link where the actual installation is described using RHEL 7 or RHEL 8. This will be a hardened DISA compliant server, so I am trying to avoid installing compilers and tools that are not part of the standard RHEL 7 repos. Thank You, Best regards, Ralf Wiegand

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Mailman3 moving to new server, not able to establish SMTP connection
by Andrew Hodgson 28 Mar '20

28 Mar '20

Hi, Whilst we are all stuck in doors I have started a project to move Mailman3 from a Docker installation to a new server using a Python venv. Old server was Debian Jessie and the new one is Buster. Using Exim with stock config. Everything seems to be going ok but mail isn't delivering (cannot connect to SMTP server). I have /opt/mailman which I did chown -R list:list mailman.cfg has following MTA settings: [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.exim4.LMTP configuration: python:mailman.config.exim4 I wrote a Systemd unit which starts Mailman from the venv and started up Mailman once I got Postgres sorted so it would create the necessary files in the var directory structure. One thing I noticed and had to fix is that it doesn't creat the directories for existing lists, and the Exim config examples out there check for the existance of those directories to identify whether the address exists. I created those anyway and set ownership perms as before. Once I fixed that I sent a test message to the owner address and that routed correctly and the headers indicated the message was sent back to localhost by Mailman. However I can't get it to route a list message, here is a log showing the start of the Mailman master processes and me sending a test message from Outlook (so incoming mail is routing ok): Mar 28 16:03:20 2020 (21877) Master started Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21889) lmtp runner started. Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21896) virgin runner started. Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21887) command runner started. Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21890) nntp runner started. Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21886) bounces runner started. Mar 28 16:03:33 2020 (21892) pipeline runner started. Mar 28 16:03:33 2020 (21888) in runner started. Mar 28 16:03:33 2020 (21895) retry runner started. Mar 28 16:03:34 2020 (21894) rest runner started. [2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21894] [INFO] Starting gunicorn 20.0.4 [2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21894] [INFO] Listening at: http://127.0.0.1:8001 (21894) [2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21894] [INFO] Using worker: sync [2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21963] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 21963 Mar 28 16:03:34 2020 (21885) archive runner started. [2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21965] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 21965 Mar 28 16:03:34 2020 (21897) digest runner started. Mar 28 16:03:36 2020 (21891) out runner started. Mar 28 16:04:25 2020 (21888) ACCEPT: <AM0PR08MB39085771D0E2D9114FDE8E83AFCD0(a)AM0PR08MB3908.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com> Mar 28 16:04:26 2020 (21885) HyperKitty archived message <AM0PR08MB39085771D0E2D9114FDE8E83AFCD0(a)AM0PR08MB3908.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com> to https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/hyperkitty/list/blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgs… [28/Mar/2020:16:04:26 +0000] "GET /3.0/lists/blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org HTTP/1.1" 200 445 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.0" Mar 28 16:04:27 2020 (21891) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 [28/Mar/2020:16:04:27 +0000] "GET /3.0/lists/blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org/config HTTP/1.1" 200 2595 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.0" [28/Mar/2020:16:04:27 +0000] "GET /3.0/users/andrew(a)hodgson.io HTTP/1.1" 200 439 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.0" Now in the out queue I have this: root@elrond:/opt/mailman# ls -la /opt/mailman/var/queue/out total 32 drwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Mar 28 16:34 . drwxr-xr-x 14 list list 4096 Mar 28 13:25 .. -rw-rw---- 1 list list 11152 Mar 28 16:34 1585413255.2412584+390ab148e589108ed9e849445e5e90410f69def3.bak -rw-rw---- 1 list list 11152 Mar 28 16:34 1585413255.4891446+75bde47331619263b05f582c28ceb85a13bb5265.pck.tmp There is no connection attempt in the Exim log from Mailman and I can connect to localhost:25. This is a dualstack machine and I was wondering whether we had any IPV6 issues (I had an issue with Gunicorn and Nginx routing traffic due to this earlier that I had to sort), but as owner addresses are working I don't know what is different on that. Any suggestions? Thanks. Andrew.

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421 - Too many sessions from source IP
by hansen＠rc.org 27 Mar '20

27 Mar '20

My new MM3 server is receiving these errors from cox.net: "(delivery temporarily suspended: host cxr.mx.a.cloudfilter.net[34.212.80.54] refused to talk to me: 421 cxr-ibgw-6004a.stratus.cloudmark.com cmsmtp too many sessions from 213.125.4.246. Refer to Error Codes section at https://www.cox.com/residential/support/email-error-codes.html for more information. AUP#CXCNCT) " The link gives just this: 421 - [too many sessions from <source IP>] The sending IP address has exceeded the five maximum concurrent connection limit. Configure your sending server to establish no more than five concurrent connections. 1. Is that a legitimate excuse to refuse passing on emails or is cox.net too stingy? 2. Is that a setting we need to change in Mailman somewhere? Or should this be handled in some Postfix setting? Yours, Allan

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Archives with encoding characters
by Seth Seeger 25 Mar '20

25 Mar '20

Hello everyone, I have a few (but not all) members complaining that their digests are full of coded characters. Two examples below were forwarded to me: > What I ended up doing was creating 2 "practice lines" in the centre of=20 > our big teaching circle (I always teach new figures in a big circle) -=20 > which each had 3 people set up in a line with generous space between,=20 > and first=C2=A0 I walked through one of those lines myself starting first= > =20 and > Robins pass Right=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks Loop L= > eft What is the cause? Is there anything I can do about it? Thanks, Seth

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Things I miss about mailman2
by Quanah Gibson-Mount 24 Mar '20

24 Mar '20

Now that we are on mailman3, I'm finding things that were really useful in mailman2 are completely missing in mailman3, which seems odd, since they in particular affect the ability of list moderators to do their job well. a) When a post was made to a moderated list in mailman2, I would get an email that included a LINK to the held email. Now I just get a canned email saying I need to go to the dashboard, blah blah. Why was this link removed? It was extremely useful and now I have to jump through extra hoops. b) When a post is made to a moderated list in mailman2, when I went to the page to approve/deny/discard, there was additionally an option to remove the moderated flag from the user for all future emails. This option no longer exists. This was EXTREMELY useful, as we force all new members of the list to be moderated for a time while we evaluate the quality of their postings. Now I have to go manually track down the user and their settings. Unnecessary extra hoops to jump through c) When a post is made to a moderated list, one of the options when selecting REJECT was it allowed me to set a custom message when rejecting the email. This was extremely useful. For example today, someone emailed our bug tracking list directly instead of filing a bug. In the past, I would have added a note to them about what they should do (in this case, I would have told them to send their email to our community technical discussion list). Now I can no longer do that, I can only reject it or discard it. Why was this removed? --Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

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Xapian alternatives
by Andrew Bernard 24 Mar '20

24 Mar '20

Are there alternative search engines to Xapian that can be used for Mailman 3? I have come to understand that Xapian development stalled in the v2.0 attempt.

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Thread matching query does not exist
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com 19 Mar '20

19 Mar '20

Now I am seeing this in the log every few seconds: 12:12:29 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] 12:12:29 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q-1.0.1-py3.7.egg/django_q/cluster.py", line 377, in worker res = f(*task['args'], **task['kwargs']) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.3-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 189, in _rebuild_thread_cache_votes thread = Thread.objects.get(id=thread_id) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.1.9-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.1.9-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/query.py", line 399, in get self.model._meta.object_name hyperkitty.models.thread.Thread.DoesNotExist: Thread matching query does not exist. Any help? How do I identify the thread in question? I imported an archive from a Listserv list, processed into something resembling mbox format (which I now understand not to be a standard at all) and have about 100,000 messages there. I am having a lot of trouble with these sort of errors, as you will see from my flurry of posts recently. Yes, I am running all the jobs. Andrew

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IsADirectoryError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/templates'
by sunil soprey 19 Mar '20

19 Mar '20

Has anyone encountered this error? I pulled the latest mailman suite (versions below), and facing this error in two places * mass subscription add of users -> Click on mass-subscription for list, enter email Django 2.2.11 django-allauth 0.41.0 django-appconf 1.0.3 django-ca 1.15.0 django-compressor 2.4 django-extensions 2.2.8 django-gravatar2 1.4.4 django-gunicorn 0.1.1 django-haystack 2.8.1 django-health-check 3.12.1 django-mailman3 1.3.2 django-object-actions 2.0.0 django-picklefield 2.1.1 django-prometheus 2.0.0 django-q 1.2.1 django-redis 4.11.0 django-redis-cache 2.1.0 django-rest-auth 0.9.5 django-saml2-auth 2.2.1 djangorestframework 3.11.0 djangorestframework-jwt 1.11.0 python3 -V Python 3.7.6 django-mailman3 1.3.2 HyperKitty 1.3.2 mailman 3.3.0 mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 mailmanclient 3.3.0 postorius 1.3.2 sADirectoryError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/templates' [2020-03-17 03:56:54 +0000] [4220] [ERROR] Socket error processing request. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 134, in handle self.handle_request(listener, req, client, addr) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 190, in andle_request util.reraise(*sys.exc_info()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/gunicorn/util.py", line 625, in reraise raise value File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 175, in andle_request respiter = self.wsgi(environ, resp.start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 193, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "falcon/api.py", line 274, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "falcon/api.py", line 269, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/rest/members.py", line 266, in on_post pre_approved=pre_approved) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 523, in register list(workflow) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step()

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Finding a user to delete them
by Quanah Gibson-Mount 17 Mar '20

17 Mar '20

Due to a bug in mailman3, I have an incorrect user that's been created via github auth that has no confirmed email address yet. I've been poking around the user manager documentation (why is there no UI for user management???), and after adding in bits that are missing from the official documentation (<https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs/usermanager…> is missing "from mailman.testing.documentation import dump_list" despite using dump_list repeatedly in its examples) I can't find the user. I have the confirmation email mailman3 sent out, that tells me the username mailman3 created for the incorrect account is "quanah98", but the user manager documentation doesn't detail how to find a user by their username, only their email. And apparently if the email hasn't been confirmed (and I *do not* want it confirmed), you can't find them by email. Suggestions on how to track down this user so I can delete them would be much appreciated. Thanks, Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

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Add old email address
by Quanah Gibson-Mount 14 Mar '20

14 Mar '20

We've recently migrated our project's email lists from mailman2 to mailman3. Given the project has been around for a few decades, many people have used different email addresesses over the years, some of which they no longer have access to. However, it would be useful to still be able to associate those emails with a given account. Is there a way that I can do this as an administrator of the mailman3 system? Thanks, Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

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Using REST api to subscribe member
by Brian Carpenter 11 Mar '20

11 Mar '20

I have a development server that only has Mailman core installed on it. I used a virtual environment to do the installation but I did not install Postorius or Hyperkitty as I am currently working on developing a custom u.i. for Mailman 3. My programmer said the following: "I have a problem with mailman on development server ... I was trying to add member to a list using REST api, but to no avail. After I tried all possible and impossible things, I finally looked at the logs. Error I found in log file is: IsADirectoryError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/templates' I guess mailman was looking for a template for welcome mail, and failed for some reason. I also guess this has something to do with locale or language settings I tried googling, but couldn't find anything" The log that gave the error was /opt/mailman/mm/logs/mailman.log My programmer tried it on another server that has both Postorius and Hyperkitty working and the api call worked, i.e. added the member to the list and sent out a welcome email. So what else do I need to install to be able to use the api to add members to a list using a non-postorius interface? Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks, Brian

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How to configure a mailing list?
by Patrick Ben Koetter 10 Mar '20

10 Mar '20

Greetings, I do have mailman 3 installed via virtualenv and it is up an running. Now I'd like to create a mailing list, but I can't find any instructions how I should do this. Is there a resource online I missed? If not, can anyone on this list tell me how to do it preferrably using a command line tool? TIA p@rick -- [*] sys4 AG https://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Schleißheimer Straße 26/MG,80333 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer, Wolfgang Stief Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein

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Scrub non digest
by Eduardo Costa 09 Mar '20

09 Mar '20

Hi, on mailman2 used to scrub attachments in non digest, each member received the attachment link, how can I do it on mailman3? Best Regards, -- ...................................... Eduardo Costa Centro de Comunicações - Instituto Politécnico de Bragança raposo at ipb.pt http://www.ipb.pt/~raposo/ ......................................

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Was Mailman3.org down this morning?
by Brian Carpenter 09 Mar '20

09 Mar '20

I was unable to get to the lists or mailman3.org documentation at all this morning. Brian

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Help on removing moderators
by sean_sullivan＠rhoworld.com 04 Mar '20

04 Mar '20

Hello Mailman-users. I was hoping someone more experienced than myself would be able to help me with an issue I am currently experiencing. I have created a function to add moderators which works great, but I have also been trying to remove moderators as another function, but I am running into some issues. When I use the mailman shell based upon the documentation, it works great: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… everything works as expected. However, if I try and bring that in as a function that can be used with mailman withlist, I am consistently getting errors, and being that I am not very experienced in python, it has me scratching my head to say the least. from mailmanclient import Client from mailman.interfaces.member import MemberRole, AlreadySubscribedError from mailman.testing.helpers import subscribe addresses = ['test1(a)example.com', 'test2(a)example.com', 'test3(a)example.com'] client = Client('http://localhost:8001/3.1', 'restadmin', 'restpass') def set_owners(mlist): for email_addr in addresses: try: member = subscribe(mlist, '', email=email_addr, role=MemberRole.owner ) print (member) except AlreadySubscribedError as err: print (err) def remove(mlist): my_list = client.get_list(mlist) # print(my_list.fqdn_listname) # for email_addr in addresses: # my_list.remove_owner(email_addr) The errors I am getting are: ./bin/mailman withlist -r set_owners.remove -l it-test-b(a)lists.rhoworld.com Traceback (most recent call last): File "./bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman3/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 764, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman3/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 717, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman3/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 68, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman3/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1137, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/opt/mailman3/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 956, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/mailman3/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 555, in invoke return callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman3/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 17, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman3/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_withlist.py", line 293, in shell r = call_name(dotted_name, m, *run_args) File "/opt/mailman3/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 70, in call_name return named_callable(*args, **kws) File "/opt/mailman3/bin/set_owners.py", line 24, in remove my_list = client.get_list(mlist) File "/opt/mailman3/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/client.py", line 347, in get_list 'lists/{0}'.format(fqdn_listname)) File "/opt/mailman3/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 112, in call error_msg, response, None) urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: 404 Not Found So, I am wondering, is it possible to do something like this or am I completely misunderstanding the documentation, and why do I get a 404 here, when in the shell everything works as expected. I know I must be missing something, but cannot for the life of me figure out what that is. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Sean

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Remove PDF attachents
by Eduardo Costa 04 Mar '20

04 Mar '20

Hello, How do I configure the list to remove attachments of type pdf and others. Best Regards. -- ...................................... Eduardo Costa Centro de Comunicações - Instituto Politécnico de Bragança raposo at ipb.pt http://www.ipb.pt/~raposo/ ......................................

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Mailman web Stopped working after upgrade
by David Krantz 03 Mar '20

03 Mar '20

Hi. I have a VERY strange behaviour. I upgraded mailman3 and mailman web this weekend. It works fine (apart from ARC which don't work correctly in my setup but that is ok). But tonight the web user interface stopped working and I have not been logged in since it worked last time so something very strange is going on. I get the dreadful error message about psycopg2._psycopg is missing although it is installed both in ubuntu and in pip in the venv I run mailman. Mailman core still works fine, it is just Django being flaky. I think that this might be due to some kind of python misfeature where compiled code behaves slightly differently to interpreted code, that might explain the delay in it working initially before breaking. I have no idea of how to solve this. I have tried to uninstall and reinstlall psycopg2 in different versions without any luck. Any ideas? Logs below. I get the following in the web server error log (removing the web things that frankly are not interesting): mod_wsgi (pid=4488): Target WSGI script 'MAILMANROOT/bin/mailman-web20200229.wsgi' cannot be loaded as Python module. mod_wsgi (pid=4488): Exception occurred processing WSGI script 'MAILMANROOT/bin/mailman-web20200229.wsgi'. Traceback (most recent call last): File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/db/backends/postgresql/base.py", line 20, in <module> import psycopg2 as Database File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 50, in <module> from psycopg2._psycopg import BINARY, NUMBER, STRING, DATETIME, ROWID ImportError: No module named 'psycopg2._psycopg' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "MAILMANROOT/bin/mailman-web20200229.wsgi", line 47, in <module> application = get_wsgi_application() File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/core/wsgi.py", line 12, in get_wsgi_application django.setup(set_prefix=False) File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/__init__.py", line 24, in setup apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/apps/registry.py", line 114, in populate app_config.import_models() File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/apps/config.py", line 211, in import_models self.models_module = import_module(models_module_name) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 986, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 969, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 958, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 673, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 665, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 222, in _call_with_frames_removed File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/postorius-1.3.2-py3.7.egg/postorius/models.py", line 27, in <module> from django.contrib.auth.models import User File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/contrib/auth/models.py", line 2, in <module> from django.contrib.auth.base_user import AbstractBaseUser, BaseUserManager File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/contrib/auth/base_user.py", line 47, in <module> class AbstractBaseUser(models.Model): File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/base.py", line 117, in __new__ new_class.add_to_class('_meta', Options(meta, app_label)) File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/base.py", line 321, in add_to_class value.contribute_to_class(cls, name) File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/options.py", line 204, in contribute_to_class self.db_table = truncate_name(self.db_table, connection.ops.max_name_length()) File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/db/__init__.py", line 28, in __getattr__ return getattr(connections[DEFAULT_DB_ALIAS], item) File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/db/utils.py", line 201, in __getitem__ backend = load_backend(db['ENGINE']) File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/db/utils.py", line 110, in load_backend return import_module('%s.base' % backend_name) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "MAILMANROOT/venv-3.7_2020/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.2.10-py3.7.egg/django/db/backends/postgresql/base.py", line 24, in <module> raise ImproperlyConfigured("Error loading psycopg2 module: %s" % e) django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Error loading psycopg2 module: No module named 'psycopg2._psycopg' Regards // David

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Running customized version of Mailman 3
by Alan Kelm 03 Mar '20

03 Mar '20

Since 2005, our organization has been running a customized version of Mailman 2 with extensions that meet our particular needs. The main novelty is support for /fixed subscription lists/, in which the list members are predetermined (corresponding to a "committee"). Fixed list subscribers are not offered the opportunity to unsubscribe, nor can others add themselves to the list. A further enhancement is /hybrid lists/ which, for example, have both a fixed and opt-in part. (This is implemented as a fixed list residing within an opt-in one in a way which is transparent to users). Our customizations consist of code adjustments (patches) to 23 files. We are considering moving to Mailman 3 and would like to do this in a way which makes it possible to periodically upgrade our installation to the newest Mailman version, without clobbering our customizations. Thus, I do not think that installing via "pip" is the right approach for us. While I'm relatively new to git and GitLab, they seem to be ideally suited to this situation. If I understand the developer documentation correctly, I start out by creating a "fork" and can later "fetch" changes from the master branch and "rebase" to bring them into our branch. I would welcome comments on what we are doing. I also wonder whether others might be interested in support for "fixed lists", if they are done in a way which can be "contributed" back into Mailman. I extend our "thank you" to the developers of Mailman who have provided the robust system which has served us well for 15 years and provides the possibility to extend this into the future. -Alan -- Alan Kelm Manager, Electronic Services Canadian Mathematical Society Tel: +1 (613) 733-2662 ext. 799 Please consider the environment. [cms web link] <https://cms.math.ca/> Alan Kelm Chef, services électroniques Société mathématique du Canada Tél : +1 (613) 733-2662 poste 799 Considérez svp l'environnement.

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Question about members
by Dieter Leupold 03 Mar '20

03 Mar '20

Hi together, short question: is it possible to display the time stamp when members have completed their subscriptions? Thanks a lot for your information! -- Dieter

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ARC issues
by David Krantz 02 Mar '20

02 Mar '20

Hi! I have now tested ARC signing of messages a bit more and have found (I think) all settings so that it works in that it generates the signed headers that ARC is. But the signature is not accepted; gmail says "body hash mismatch" and hotmail says "arc=fail (47)". I have set the following settings under the [ARC] section. I have tried both with the sig_headers set as displayed below and with it commented to lean against the defaults. I use the same key and selector as for DKIM-signing with the server's domain. The DKIM-signature is accepted. Is there any known issues with ARC that I should be aware of? I run the latest release of mailman (3.3.0 of core) on Python 3.7.6 and I use postfix as MTA. enabled: yes privkey: <my key path> selector: <my selector> domain: <my server's domain> dmarc: yes dkim: yes authserv_id: <my server's domain> trusted_authserv_ids: <my hosted domains> #sig_headers: From, Sender, Reply-To, Subject, Date, Message-ID, To, Cc, MIME-Version, Content-Type, Content-Transfer-Encoding, Content-ID, Content-Description, Resent-Date, Resent-From, Resent-Sender, Resent-To, Resent-Cc, Resent-Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References, List-Id, List-Help, List-Unsubscribe, List-Subscribe, List-Post, List-Owner, List-Archive I hope that this is something simple that I have forgot. Cheers // David

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How to run 'manage.py update_index_one_list' command.
by Frank van den Heuvel 26 Feb '20

26 Feb '20

I am importing old archives mbox files from Mailman2. I have fixed the archive mail address to reflect the address of the destination import. These are the steps: 1. sed 's|oldlist@oldexample\.org|testlist@example\.org|g' mbox > mbox.testlist 2. /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin hyperkitty_import --since 01/01/1990 -l testlist(a)example.org mbox.testlist The output of the last command is: Computing thread structure Synchronizing properties with Mailman Warming up cache The full-text search index is not updated for this list. It will not be updated by the 'minutely' incremental update job. \ To update the index for this list, run the 'manage.py update_index_one_list testlist(a)example.org' command. The result is that the e-mail's are imported but not indexed. To finalize this process I am seeking manage.py that will execute the update index command. I am on a Debian 10 with Mailman3 in /opt. locate manage.py returns: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django/conf/project_template/manage.py-tpl /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/example_project/manage.py /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/falcon/bench/dj/manage.py None of these python files can execute the needed command. What can I do to get the newly imported posts indexed? Regards, Frank

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Mass unverified subscriptions end up as pending user confirmation instead.
by hansen＠rc.org 26 Feb '20

26 Feb '20

After mass subscribing with these settings: Pre confirm: Yes, Pre approved: Yes, Pre Verified (sic): No the addresses appeared in the list's 'Pending user confirmation' list. They were pre-confirmed. The addresses did not appear in the Django Admin's non-verified addresses list. They were not verified. Also why does Postorius lists just 'Pending Approval' and 'Pending Confirmation' but not 'Pending Verification'? Yours, Allan

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