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Upgrade
by Darren Smith April 16, 2018

April 16, 2018

Hello all, I'm working on upgrading our mailman3 instance. The current running instance is 3.1.0, and I am attempting to move to 3.2.0a1. Partially because La Villa Strangiato is a better song than Between the Wheels, but mostly because we want some of the bug fixes, and we are nailing down our upgrade process for the future. Initially after updating when I ran the "mailman info" command, I got this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman3/conda/bin/mailman", line 7, in <module> from mailman.bin.mailman import main File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 19, in <module> import click ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'click' So I went and installed click - easy enough to do. But then I get this error: "Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman3/conda/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 722, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 696, in main with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 621, in make_context self.parse_args(ctx, args) File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1018, in parse_args rest = Command.parse_args(self, ctx, args) File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 880, in parse_args value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in handle_parse_result self.callback, ctx, self, value) File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 78, in invoke_param_callback return callback(ctx, param, value) File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 93, in initialize_config initialize(value) File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 219, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 178, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 54, in create database.initialize() File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/database/base.py", line 107, in initialize url, isolation_level='READ UNCOMMITTED', pool_pre_ping=True) File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/__init__.py", line 387, in create_engine return strategy.create(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/strategies.py", line 160, in create engineclass.__name__)) TypeError: Invalid argument(s) 'pool_pre_ping' sent to create_engine(), using configuration PGDialect_psycopg2/QueuePool/Engine. Please check that the keyword arguments are appropriate for this combination of components." Anyone able to point me where to go to look for a solution for this? We're running postgresql as the database, and psycopg2 has been installed. Thoughts? -Darren

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Question regarding serve_from_domain
by Alexander Klotz April 13, 2018

April 13, 2018

Hello, we're currently unsure in which file the serve_from_domain-entry described in the readme.md regarding mailman-web. We just updated the docker and encounter the following error, which might correspond to the missing entry: OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman-web/fulltext_index' Any help would be appreciated - thanks! -- Regards, Alex Klotz (culturebase editorial staff)

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Starting from scratch
by Benjamin Ragheb April 12, 2018

April 12, 2018

Hello! Over the weekend, I attempted to install the Mailman Suite on Debian Stretch. My goal is to set up some low volume mailing lists for family and friends. I ran into some problems, and I'm hoping to get some feedback on my overall approach before I make my second attempt. :-) I figured the safest thing to do would be to use pip to install the latest released version of all the components (core, postorius, hyperkitty, etc.). I copied the files from the [mailman-suite repository][1] to set up a Django project and got it mostly working with Apache and mod_wsgi. [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite Unfortunately, I was unable to log into the web interface; when I tried, I got a server error like this: > Exception Type: TypeError at /accounts/login/ > Exception Value: authenticate() takes exactly 0 arguments (3 given) Some research leads me to believe this is happening because authenticate() was changed in Django 1.10, and so I must be using a newer version of Django than the app expects. Given that I installed via Pip, I assumed the right version of Django would automatically be installed... I'm open to the possibility that I am misunderstanding how Pip works, or that postorius's and/or hyperkitty's dependency information is incorrect. The two alternatives I am weighing right now are: 1. Stay the course, and see if I can fix this by learning more about Python, Pip, Django and tinkering with the configuration. 2. Ride the bleeding edge, and install postorius and hyperkitty from git. (I'll probably stick with Mailman Core from Pip, since that seemed to work just fine.) Right now I'm leaning toward #2, because it means I'll be in a better position to patch things if I need to, and it seems like Mailman 3 is still rough enough that I will need to. Also, it looks like the master branches of both postorius and hyperkitty are now Python 3 compatible, which could save me from managing two different versions of Python. Which is the least crazy option? -- Ben

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Log rotation
by Darren Smith April 11, 2018

April 11, 2018

Hey everyone, So I have a question about log rotation... Our mailman.log has grown to over 5 gigs. It's time to add this to log rotation. We added what we thought might work to the /etc/logrotate.d/mailman script, but when we ran it with a -f, we learned that the -f flag doesn't keep old logs. That in itself is fine - a normal scheduled log rotation won't have that problem. My problem is that doing the rotation caused the mailman not to be able to write to the log anymore. It appears that it no longer has a handle to the file. To overcome this with, say, nginx, there is a command in logrotate that you can add that restarts the service. I have found, however, that restarting the mailman service can be VERY problematic. There is so much going on that it takes a very long time to stop, and I have seen several instances where the service never shuts down cleanly - even after 3-4 minutes. The service thinks it is shut down, but there are several threads that haven't yet completed. If they are killed, then you have to go clean up the master.lck files etc. It seems like a bad way of doing things and a good way to somehow corrupt data. Anyway - after rambling... 1) Has anyone come up with a good log rotation strategy that doesn't necessitate a restart of the service? 2) Has anyone seen problems stopping and restarting the service? Is there a way to help with this problem? Thanks, Darren

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"Approved:" header from mailman2 times
by Dmitry Makovey April 10, 2018

April 10, 2018

Hi, is there any equivalent to "Approved" header that was present in MM2 in MM3 land? Google is not very helpful in that. -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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update_index
by Darren Smith April 3, 2018

April 3, 2018

Hello, If I'm reading the docs correctly, when we run manage.py update_index, it should be an incremental index of new emails that have been added since the last time update_index was run - can anyone confirm that this is the expected behavior? Or is there another command line option that I am missing? Right now we are indexing EVERYTHING every time that this is run. Probably this wouldn't be much of a problem except that we are importing all of our old archives (they go back to 1998 and comprise over 40.5 million emails) into the new system. As of now we have around 700,000 emails imported into hyperkitty, and since it is indexing everything it is taking around 1 hour and 10 minutes. Obviously we can't run that once a minute. Right now we're doing once a day, meaning that new emails won't be indexed until the next day. Fast forward to when we have all 40 million imported...the full index process will take (we estimate) around 4 days or so. So...can anyone help with how to get the update_index to do only emails added since the last time the update_index was run? Thanks! Darren

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Mailman 3 with AWS auto scaling and potentially load balancing
by Chris McMacken March 30, 2018

March 30, 2018

After doing a lot of googling I can't seem to find solid answers to a couple of basic mailman hosting questions so I thought I would ask here. I'm looking to build an auto scaling group so that my mailman services can self heal if the EC2 instance goes away. What state if any is stored locally on the filesystem that would need to be backed up and restored when an instance is replaced? I'm also interested in a high availability deployment so I would like to do some basic load balancing to ensure that this requirement is met but I haven't been able to find much on this topic for mailman 3. Can someone point me in the direction of a write up on this problem or comment on it?

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Re: Templates and docker-mailman
by Hathaway, John W. March 22, 2018

March 22, 2018

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TypeError: authenticate() takes exactly 0 arguments (3 given)
by Bjoern Franke March 22, 2018

March 22, 2018

Hi, after migrating from a PIP install to Debian Backports packages, I get the following error: https://pastebin.com/tCnTuKYz The whole config of mailman3-suite: https://pastebin.com/nzJufYBN Regards Bjoern

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Templates and docker-mailman
by jwhathaway＠locklaw.com March 20, 2018

March 20, 2018

I have mailman installed through docker-mailman and I'm trying to get rid of the footer decoration in our messages. Based on earlier threads, I have placed an empty file on the host running Docker at: /opt/mailman/core/var/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer But this is not being honored by the mailman container. I have restarted all of the containers. Is there something else I need to do?

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Re: Getting rid of held messages from the command line
by Mark Sapiro March 19, 2018

March 19, 2018

On 03/19/2018 02:22 PM, Aymeric Mansoux wrote: > > Ah, so if I understand you correctly, as long as I'm on 3.1.1, I could > run into this issue again, but then: Yes, this issue will recur with Mailman 3.1.1 and a MySQL database. > - Would patching 3.1.1 with 5477a201 be enough to prevent further issues > until the next stable is released? I think so. The only potential issue is if mailman/database/alembic/versions/4bd95c99b2e7_fix_template_password.py is not in 3.1.1. I think it is, so I think it's OK, but if not, you'd need to modify mailman/database/alembic/versions/3f31035ed0d7_further_increase_pendedkeyvalue_value_.py to point to the 3.1.1 head of the alembic versions. > - How can I clean the current pendedkeyvalue table? With phpMyAdmin or the mysql command. I think you can just delete those entries from the pendedkeyvalue table. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Getting rid of held messages from the command line
by Aymeric Mansoux March 17, 2018

March 17, 2018

Hello, We're currently running some of Mailman software, as available via pip, namely: - mailman 3.1.1 (pip3) - postorius 1.1.2 (pip2) - hyperkitty 1.1.4 (pip2) - mailmanclient 3.1.1 (pip3) So far so good, however, for some reasons, a couple of our lists have started to accumulate held messages that cannot be manipulated via the REST API. Regardless if we use the web interface or mailmanclient, it ends up with: Mar 14 10:58:32 2018 (24287) REST request handler error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.5/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 214, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/falcon/api.py", line 244, in __call__ responder(req, resp, **params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 167, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in _make_collection for resource in collection] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in <listcomp> for resource in collection] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 157, in _resource_as_dict resource = self._make_resource(request.id) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 70, in _make_resource resource = super()._make_resource(request_id) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 39, in _make_resource results = requests.get_request(request_id) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/model/requests.py", line 120, in get_request result.data_hash, expunge=False) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/model/pending.py", line 138, in confirm value = json.loads(keyvalue.value) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/json/__init__.py", line 319, in loads return _default_decoder.decode(s) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/json/decoder.py", line 339, in decode obj, end = self.raw_decode(s, idx=_w(s, 0).end()) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/json/decoder.py", line 355, in raw_decode obj, end = self.scan_once(s, idx) json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Unterminated string starting at: line 1 column 1 (char 0) Mar 14 10:58:32 2018 (24287) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/lists/xx(a)xx.xx/held HTTP/1.1" 500 59 Is there a way to manipulate/see/remove these mails differently? Right now this prevent moderation of any held messages (note: some lists do not suffer from this and the held panel or mailmanclient works perfectly fine). Thanks!

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disable sign-ups
by Peter Münster March 14, 2018

March 14, 2018

Hi, I would like to add new accounts only manually, the mailman3 site should not be open for sign-ups. So I've added this code to settings.py: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- from allauth.account.adapter import DefaultAccountAdapter class MyAccountAdapter(DefaultAccountAdapter): def is_open_for_signup(self, request): return False ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'MyAccountAdapter' --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- It seems to work, but the user experience is not optimal: the user can click on "Sign Up", and then gets to "Server Error (500)". This is the log: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ERROR 2018-01-31 21:53:47,116 6769 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/signup/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 132, in get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 34, in _wrapper return bound_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/decorators/debug.py", line 76, in sensitive_post_parameters_wrapper return view(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 30, in bound_func return func.__get__(self, type(self))(*args2, **kwargs2) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 210, in dispatch return super(SignupView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 79, in dispatch **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 182, in dispatch if not self.is_open(): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 191, in is_open return get_adapter(self.request).is_open_for_signup(self.request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 501, in get_adapter return import_attribute(app_settings.ADAPTER)(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/utils.py", line 150, in import_attribute pkg, attr = path.rsplit('.', 1) ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack ERROR 2018-01-31 21:53:47,116 6769 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/signup/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 132, in get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 34, in _wrapper return bound_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/decorators/debug.py", line 76, in sensitive_post_parameters_wrapper return view(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 30, in bound_func return func.__get__(self, type(self))(*args2, **kwargs2) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 210, in dispatch return super(SignupView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 79, in dispatch **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 182, in dispatch if not self.is_open(): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 191, in is_open return get_adapter(self.request).is_open_for_signup(self.request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 501, in get_adapter return import_attribute(app_settings.ADAPTER)(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/utils.py", line 150, in import_attribute pkg, attr = path.rsplit('.', 1) ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Do you have any hints, how to avoid such errors please? TIA for any help, -- Peter

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Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: ValueError: A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters.
by Henrik Rasmussen March 14, 2018

March 14, 2018

This could potentially be associated with [1] and [2], but it does not regard import21. When mails are released or otherwise archived I get an Internal Server Error regarding "ValueError: A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters." in the web/mailmanweb.log, but unlike importing corrupted archives, this is mails coming from the users in the daily life. Would it be possible for Mailman to check for NUL characters and skip those before archiving? ERROR 2018-03-13 10:38:12,602 39 django.request Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 39, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 249, in _legacy_get_response response = self._get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 187, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 185, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 68, in _decorator return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py", line 58, in wrapped_view return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 114, in archive add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py", line 149, in add_to_list email.save() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 796, in save force_update=force_update, update_fields=update_fields) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 824, in save_base updated = self._save_table(raw, cls, force_insert, force_update, using, update_fields) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 908, in _save_table result = self._do_insert(cls._base_manager, using, fields, update_pk, raw) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 947, in _do_insert using=using, raw=raw) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1043, in _insert return query.get_compiler(using=using).execute_sql(return_id) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1054, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 64, in execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) ValueError: A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters. [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/155 [2] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/….

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A short link to this page -- TinyURL
by John Griessen March 14, 2018

March 14, 2018

The wiki page has a convenient TinyURL. Is it feasible to make TinyURLs for archived list threads such as: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…

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Database running VERY hot
by Darren Smith March 12, 2018

March 12, 2018

Hello all, We had an old installation of Mailman 2.1 across three servers with over 32,000 mailing lists on them. Due to circumstances beyond my control, we had to shut them down and quickly set up Mailman 3 on a new server. We have Mailman3 set up on a single server this time, as we were having problems with a 3-server setup and Hyperkitty and archives. Long story short, it is up and running, and our users are starting to come back. However, we do not have very many users hitting Postorius and Hyperkitty yet, and we are seeing a distressing number of 504 gateway timeouts. We noticed that there is a significant number of queries to the API whenever hitting Postorius's front page to load the mailing lists, and then on every load. It looks as if it makes a single call to the API to get information about a single list, and does this 10 times - once for each list - to render the page. This gets much worse when users set the view to 200 per page, as they are inclined to do with 32,000 mailing lists... What we've done, actually, is to override the front page and point the users to a different set of static pages where we have all of our lists categorized and searchable, and when they find the list they are looking for, we have a link back to postorius. It has taken a lot of the stress off of the server. However, I still see where the database at times can run VERY hot. We have set up this server to run with PostgreSQL. When I do a ps aux | grep postgres, I find a lot of processes that have been spawned to take care of mailman - a dozen or so. However, one of the threads is taking up about 85% of the load, another thread about 14%, and little dribbles here and there from the rest of the threads. Here are the questions: 1) Has anyone run into problems like these? I would think that maybe this is an issue having so many mailing lists, but honestly there aren't that many people using the system yet. It is going to ramp up as the users realize that we are live again, but we aren't getting that much traffic. 2) Is there any configuration that I can set, especially with regards to the database, so that it can be used more efficiently and not throttle through one or two threads? Please let me know what further information I can provide. Thanks in advance for any help or advice! Silas

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Deactivate list without deleting it?
by Colin Watson March 3, 2018

March 3, 2018

Hi, I'm experimenting with a port of Launchpad's mailing list infrastructure to Mailman 3. If Barry's reading, he may remember that this is no trivial task, so I'm very definitely not promising that it will be done any time soon. :-) However, for the most part it looks relatively tractable with the aid of the plugin improvements in Mailman 3.2.0; I have the rough outline of a plugin that implements much the same feature set as our current pile of monkey-patches against Mailman 2.1 in a much nicer way. One of the major things I haven't figured out yet is list deactivation and reactivation. In our current 2.1-based code, you can deactivate a list in a reversible way, which basically tars up the list directory so that the list archives can be restored later. This isn't a native operation in 2.1, but it could be done because everything lived on the filesystem. In 3, it's less trivial. We could go to some effort to dump things out of the HyperKitty database and restore it on reactivation, but that seems rather complex and a bit silly. Ideally, I'd like mailing lists to have a "deactivated" state in addition to full deletion. In this state, the list would appear nonexistent for most purposes: incoming email would be rejected, Postorius would deny its existence, etc. There'd need to be corresponding extensions to the IArchiver interface which caused the archiver to put its archives of that list into a corresponding deactivated state, in which it would retain the messages but queries for them would return 404 or similar; these extensions would need to be optional, since while it should be relatively easy to do this in HyperKitty it could be hard or impossible for other archivers, and perhaps this should be a separate operation from deactivating the list itself since people may want to close a list while leaving its archives accessible. Has there been any discussion of this in the past, or any advice as to implementation strategy? Thanks, -- Colin Watson [cjwatson(a)ubuntu.com]

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configure Mysql and postfix on mailman3
by ouerheni.nouha＠gmail.com Feb. 20, 2018

Feb. 20, 2018

Hello all , I configured mailman3 following this contributer guide http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html but i'am still getting problem with the configuration of MySQL and postfix . Is this section is enough for MySQL configurations ? [database] class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase url: mysql+pymysql://myuser:mypassword@mymysqlhost/mailman?charset=utf8&use_unicode=1htmlI will appreciated if there are some documents to provide to cotinue the intergration of mailman3 . Is there any tuto for postfix config ? Thanks in advance Ouerheni Nouha

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import21: A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters.
by Henrik Rasmussen Feb. 15, 2018

Feb. 15, 2018

Docker-mailman 0.1.1. I am facing errors when using import21 to import list archives. The error message is "A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters." and the import stops, thus importing only mails up to 2009. The dublicates is mails already imported when retrying. If a mail contains illegal characters I would expect disregarding the particular mail and continue, or ignoring the nul character. bash-4.3# python manage.py hyperkitty_import --verbosity 3 --since "01.01.1970" --list-address example(a)mailman3.ku.dk /opt/mailman-web-data/tmp/example(a)mailman3.ku.dk.mbox Duplicate email with message-id '857A4D84DE6D1D41837DD9284F2729AB08F0C385(a)srv1.example.ku.dk' <857A4D84DE6D1D41837DD9284F2729AB09DA5E45(a)srv1.example.ku.dk> (149) Duplicate email with message-id '857A4D84DE6D1D41837DD9284F2729AB09DA5E45(a)srv1.example.ku.dk' <857A4D84DE6D1D41837DD9284F2729AB09E20126(a)srv1.example.ku.dk> (150) Failed adding message <857A4D84DE6D1D41837DD9284F2729AB09E20126(a)srv1.example.ku.dk>: A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters. Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 367, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 359, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 305, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 356, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 278, in handle importer.from_mbox(mbfile) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 152, in from_mbox add_to_list(self.list_address, message) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py", line 149, in add_to_list email.save() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 796, in save force_update=force_update, update_fields=update_fields) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 824, in save_base updated = self._save_table(raw, cls, force_insert, force_update, using, update_fields) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 908, in _save_table result = self._do_insert(cls._base_manager, using, fields, update_pk, raw) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 947, in _do_insert using=using, raw=raw) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1043, in _insert return query.get_compiler(using=using).execute_sql(return_id) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1054, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 64, in execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) ValueError: A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters. bash-4.3#

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Number of archives in list
by kawhite＠ancestry.com Feb. 15, 2018

Feb. 15, 2018

Hi, I am importing hundreds of thousands of mbox archive files and I want to know if there is a way to call a list and see how many archives got imported / are in the list now (is there a hyperkitty command to gets stats such as number of archives on a list?) Thanks in advance,

2 1

"mailman start" hangs
by Peter Münster Feb. 14, 2018

Feb. 14, 2018

Hi, When starting mailman in a terminal, then it works: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- $ mailman start Starting Mailman's master runner $ --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- But from "cron", it seems to hang. Output of pstree: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- |-cron(3022)---cron(21962)-+-mailman(21986) | `-sendmail(22043)---postdrop(22044) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- So it seems, that mailman does not go into the background, and the email with the output is never sent... How could I solve this issue please? TIA for any hints, -- Peter

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list of subscribers
by Peter Münster Feb. 8, 2018

Feb. 8, 2018

Hi, Where on the web interface is it possible to see the list of subscribers of a mailing list please? TIA for any hint, -- Peter

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Just starting with mailman3
by Loring Feb. 1, 2018

Feb. 1, 2018

I am just starting with mailman 3 where can I find good documentation on getting started? -- Richmond Loring rloring(a)bnl.gov Advanced Systems Engineer

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confirm-email: error NoReverseMatc
by Peter Münster Jan. 31, 2018

Jan. 31, 2018

Hi, When confirming the email address after sign-up, I get this error: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ERROR 2018-01-31 09:31:57,143 28537 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/confirm-email/Ng:1egno5:_T5eipR8TTan-zWjLK8EhYuetjQ/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 132, in get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 89, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 283, in post resp = self.login_on_confirm(confirmation) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 332, in login_on_confirm redirect_url=self.get_redirect_url) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/utils.py", line 157, in perform_login get_login_redirect_url(request, redirect_url)) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/utils.py", line 50, in get_login_redirect_url url = url() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 362, in get_redirect_url self.request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 176, in get_email_confirmation_redirect_url return self.get_login_redirect_url(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 156, in get_login_redirect_url return resolve_url(url) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 205, in resolve_url return urlresolvers.reverse(to, args=args, kwargs=kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 579, in reverse return force_text(iri_to_uri(resolver._reverse_with_prefix(view, prefix, *args, **kwargs))) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 496, in _reverse_with_prefix (lookup_view_s, args, kwargs, len(patterns), patterns)) NoReverseMatch: Reverse for '' with arguments '()' and keyword arguments '{}' not found. 0 pattern(s) tried: [] ERROR 2018-01-31 09:31:57,143 28537 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/confirm-email/Ng:1egno5:_T5eipR8TTan-zWjLK8EhYuetjQ/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 132, in get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 89, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 283, in post resp = self.login_on_confirm(confirmation) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 332, in login_on_confirm redirect_url=self.get_redirect_url) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/utils.py", line 157, in perform_login get_login_redirect_url(request, redirect_url)) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/utils.py", line 50, in get_login_redirect_url url = url() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 362, in get_redirect_url self.request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 176, in get_email_confirmation_redirect_url return self.get_login_redirect_url(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 156, in get_login_redirect_url return resolve_url(url) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 205, in resolve_url return urlresolvers.reverse(to, args=args, kwargs=kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 579, in reverse return force_text(iri_to_uri(resolver._reverse_with_prefix(view, prefix, *args, **kwargs))) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 496, in _reverse_with_prefix (lookup_view_s, args, kwargs, len(patterns), patterns)) NoReverseMatch: Reverse for '' with arguments '()' and keyword arguments '{}' not found. 0 pattern(s) tried: [] --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- What could be the reason, and how could I solve this issue please? Since it's perhaps related, here is my urls.py: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- from django.conf.urls import include, url from django.contrib import admin from postorius.views.list import list_index urlpatterns = [ url(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), url(r'^archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), url(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), url(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), url(r'^admin/', include(admin.site.urls)), url(r'^$', list_index, name='list_index'), ] --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- TIA for any help, -- Peter

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setup of URLs
by Peter Münster Jan. 29, 2018

Jan. 29, 2018

Hi, I would like to point "https://my-domain.org/" to the list of mailing-lists of this domain. How should I setup my Apache configuration and/or the urlpatterns please? With my actual configuration, the above URL is always rewritten to https://my-domain.org/postorius/lists/ These are my urlpatterns: urlpatterns = [ url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view( url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), permanent=True)), url(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), url(r'^archive/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), url(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), url(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), url(r'^admin/', include(admin.site.urls)), ] TIA for any help, -- Peter

4 4

Where is postorius.wsgi?
by Peter Münster Jan. 28, 2018

Jan. 28, 2018

Hi, I try to install Postorius, but I don't find the file postorius.wsgi. Where should I get it please? This is, what I've done so far: - git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius.git - cd postorius - python3 setup.py install - cd example_project - virtualenv venv - . venv/bin/activate - pip3 install -r requirements.txt - in venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_mailman3/lib/mailman.py: replace "urllib2" by "urllib.error" - python3 manage.py migrate - python3 manage.py createsuperuser - python3 manage.py compilemessages - python3 manage.py collectstatic Now I try to follow https://postorius.readthedocs.io/en/latest/deployment.html#apache-with-mod-… but I don't find postorius.wsgi ... TIA for any help. Kind regards, -- Peter

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OperationalError: database is locked
by cyp＠trojina.si Jan. 25, 2018

Jan. 25, 2018

On our installation, we are often gettting Internal Server Error (500). The logs look like this: ERROR 2018-01-09 13:52:57,640 1604 django.request Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/test(a)seznami.cjvt.si/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 42, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 249, in _legacy_get_response response = self._get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 187, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 185, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.1.0-py2.7.egg/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 133, in inner mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_fqdn) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/db/models/query.py", line 379, in get num = len(clone) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/db/models/query.py", line 238, in __len__ self._fetch_all() File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/db/models/query.py", line 1087, in _fetch_all self._result_cache = list(self.iterator()) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/db/models/query.py", line 54, in __iter__ results = compiler.execute_sql() File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 835, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 64, in execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/db/utils.py", line 94, in __exit__ six.reraise(dj_exc_type, dj_exc_value, traceback) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 64, in execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/opt/mailman/venv2/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Django-1.10.7-py2.7.egg/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 337, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) OperationalError: database is locked Does this suggest I should switch from sqlite to postgres (https://stackoverflow.com/a/26864360)? I'm happy to do that, but how do I migrate the data between the databases (after installing postgres and creating the database)? I've found this doc (http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/database.html#data…) but I don't think I understand this and I haven't used alembic: these instructions are just for when you modify the model within the same database, right? Thanks in advance!

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Solved issues not in Docker-mailman rolling releases
by Henrik Rasmussen Jan. 25, 2018

Jan. 25, 2018

I am currently using Docker-mailman rolling releases and with great respect to the maintainer's time it was my impression from @maxking that rolling releases was likely to be one week behind the development. In my report of https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/444 @msapiro commented that #444 is a duplicate of #406 (closed) which was fixed by !322 (merged), but !322 was merged a month ago. Thinking that I wasn't up to speed, I did a `docker pull quay.io/maxking/mailman-core:rolling` only got 'XXXXXXXXXXXX: Already exists'. Also `docker images` shows 'quay.io/maxking/mailman-core rolling 1654a3226db8 7 weeks ago 179.3 MB'. Not to be umpolite, did I misunderstand the concept?

2 3

Postorius: Show only own lists
by Thor Atle Rustad Jan. 23, 2018

Jan. 23, 2018

Imagine an installation with 500+ mailing lists and almost as many local admins that are supposed to maintain their own local lists with a few local members. As site admin, I see all 500+ lists, but I was expecting *local* admins to see only the lists they maintain. I have set all lists to "advertised = False", so they are hidden from ordinary view. Is there a way to show only relevant lists to local admins? I am running docker running release. mailman info GNU Mailman 3.2.0a1 (La Villa Strangiato) Thor Atle Rustad

4 6

mailing list aliases
by Dmitry Makovey Jan. 20, 2018

Jan. 20, 2018

I'm running mailman 3.3.0 and seeing odd behavior for "Settings/Message Acceptance/Acceptable aliases". Two things strike me as odd: 1. whenever I change content of that field interface keeps on wrapping it in more and more square brackets: [u'[u\'[u"[u\\\'foo(a)my.com\\\']"]\']'] whereas I've started with simple foo(a)my.com. I've checked with mailmanclient library and it seems like this is happening at the core level not just an interface: ml.settings['acceptable_aliases']=['foo(a)my.com'] ml.save() print ml.settings['acceptable_aliases'] am I using it wrong or is there a bug? 2. Related to #1 - we've migrated our mailing lists from foo(a)my.com to foo(a)lists.my.com however we've preserved old addresses. But in new setup mail sent in gets stopped for moderation with: "X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: implicit-dest" . What's the best course of action here to get mailing list respond to multiple email addresses? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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why am I seeing "Access to the archiving API endpoint was forbidden"
by Dmitry Makovey Jan. 19, 2018

Jan. 19, 2018

Running docker-based MM3 I get quite a few messages in mailmanweb.log: ERROR 2018-01-19 19:09:07,467 401 hyperkitty.views.mailman Access to the archiving API endpoint was forbidden from IP 172.19.199.1, your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting may be misconfigured which points to the docker host making those requests. But I have no scripts/code dunning on host to do that. I've posted to this list earlier (see "mailman-web: ResponseNotReady" and "Getting connection refused on postfix trying to connect to mailman-core:lmtp") my woes with public vs private IPs in my setup and my "hack" was to set up docker-compose with explicit domainname and hostname: mailman-core: domainname: my.com hostname: mailman ... networks: mailman: aliases: - mailman.my.com where mailman.my.com is the public IP of the service. so I think I'm in the weird state where mailman-core container starts off communication on a private docker IP and finishes it off on what it thinks is public someplace... not sure where is that coming from. I ran a cross-ping for all containers to confirm they all see only private IPs and they do: core, web & nginx cross-pinging each-other and mailman.my.com all show private docker IPs so why would any packet be routed from external? can I allow more than a single IP for MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM ? ITMT I've moved MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM to settings_local.py and hardwired it to be 172.199.19.1 and I believe there are no errors in log files... but again - that's a lot of tiptoeing and tapdancing around the IP assignment in docker so I'm looking for input to simplify the setup. -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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MM3 & postfix ... (mail loops back to myself)
by Dmitry Makovey Jan. 18, 2018

Jan. 18, 2018

Hi, I've been running Postfix+MM3 setup for a while now. However it turns out one portion of functionality has been broken all this time: member subscription via "confirmation". Quick notes on setup: I've got 2 VMs: smtp.my.com mailman.my.com I'm running mailing lists under: lists.my.com DNS for lists.my.com A: - same as mailman.my.com MX: - smtp.my.com So when somebody sends a message to foo(a)lists.my.com they receive confirmation email (which is fine and normal). That mail suggests user needs to reply to foo-confirm+randomstuff(a)lists.my.com. Whenever user does that - postfix refuses to deliver *that* mail with reason: Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail for lists.my.com loops back to myself I've got transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains and postfix_domains contains: /^lists\.my\.com$/ lists.my.com and postfix_lmtp contains: foo(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[mailman.my.com]:8024 ... what am I missing? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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Hyperkitty: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'subject'
by Alex McLean Jan. 14, 2018

Jan. 14, 2018

I'm getting a 500 server error with some threads in hyperkitty, e.g. this one: https://we.lurk.org/hyperkitty/list/tidal@we.lurk.org/thread/3IN5NFFFPVAQSR… The following appears in the log, any pointers much appreciated! ERROR 2018-01-13 12:29:53,855 6056 django.request Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/tidal(a)we.lurk.org/thread/4ECEUJRXMJ2U7EPKRMU6V6A3FVL523BC/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 41, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 249, in _legacy_get_response response = self._get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 187, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 185, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 136, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/thread.py", line 193, in thread_index return render(request, "hyperkitty/thread.html", context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 30, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 68, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 66, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 207, in render return self._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 199, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 990, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 957, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 177, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 199, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 990, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 957, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 72, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 990, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 957, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 529, in render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 990, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 957, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 322, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 990, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 957, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1040, in render output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 708, in resolve obj = self.var.resolve(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 849, in resolve value = self._resolve_lookup(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 890, in _resolve_lookup current = getattr(current, bit) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/thread.py", line 108, in subject return self.cached_values["subject"]() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py", line 61, in __call__ return self.get_or_set(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py", line 57, in get_or_set value = self.rebuild(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py", line 49, in rebuild value = self.get_value(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/thread.py", line 223, in get_value return self.instance.starting_email.subject AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'subject' ERROR 2018-01-13 12:29:53,855 6056 django.request Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/tidal(a)we.lurk.org/thread/4ECEUJRXMJ2U7EPKRMU6V6A3FVL523BC/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 41, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 249, in _legacy_get_response response = self._get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 187, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 185, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 136, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/thread.py", line 193, in thread_index return render(request, "hyperkitty/thread.html", context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 30, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 68, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 66, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 207, in render return self._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 199, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 990, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 957, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 177, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 199, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 990, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 957, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 72, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 990, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 957, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 529, in render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 990, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 957, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 322, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 990, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 957, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1040, in render output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 708, in resolve obj = self.var.resolve(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 849, in resolve value = self._resolve_lookup(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 890, in _resolve_lookup current = getattr(current, bit) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/thread.py", line 108, in subject return self.cached_values["subject"]() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py", line 61, in __call__ return self.get_or_set(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py", line 57, in get_or_set value = self.rebuild(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py", line 49, in rebuild value = self.get_value(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/thread.py", line 223, in get_value return self.instance.starting_email.subject AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'subject'

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Django logins for new subscribers
by Alex McLean Jan. 13, 2018

Jan. 13, 2018

Hi all, I'm moving our groups to mailman3 (http://we.lurk.org) Enjoying it so far! I've mass-subscribed people via postorius. However the subscribers don't have django (postorius/hyperkitty) logins. It seems they only exist on the mailman side, not the django side. If they go through the process of creating an account in postorius, they can configure their mailing list subscriptions, but this is a bit fiddly. Is this expected behaviour? It would be great if they could be sent a temporary link to set a password and go. Best wishes, alex

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hyperkitty connection issues
by Dmitry Makovey Jan. 11, 2018

Jan. 11, 2018

I'm using docker-based deployment of mailman. things appear to be functioning for the most part, but recently I've started getting reports from users stating that mail from *some* subscribers to the list gets queued for moderation with reason "n/a". Not sure if that's related, but I've also noticed that my logs are filling up with Connection to HyperKitty failed: ("Connection broken: ConnectionResetError(104, 'Connection reset by peer')", ConnectionResetError(104, 'Connection reset by peer')) (full dump: https://gist.github.com/droopy4096/1538d34ed7b6709252e8c3e82aaca69d ) what's the best angle to troubleshoot this situation? Note: I have restarted containers within the last 24 hours and still am observing above behavior (both mail issues and connection issues in logs) -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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Hyperkitty import from mailman2
by Sten Aus Jan. 3, 2018

Jan. 3, 2018

Hi I have installed mailman3 - it looks very great! Now I wanted to try import from mailman2 mbox, so i did: python2 manage.py hyperkitty_import --settings settings --ignore-mtime -v 3 --since 2010-01-01 -l test(a)list.domain.com /tmp/test.mbox It shows that it have sucessfully imported all emails and I can see them from database (sqlite3), but I cannot see them from GUI (hyperkitty). Only thing I can see is this inactive "test" list. I have tried that I create list before importing, still same result. All new emails are archiving to another lists (which are not imported, but new installations). Any help is appreciated! All the best Sten

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Postorius 1.1.2 security release
by Abhilash Raj Dec. 29, 2017

Dec. 29, 2017

Hi Everyone, I am pleased to announce that Postorius 1.1.2 is released and is up on PyPI[1]. This release fixes a security bug that sets the password of a user in Core to their display name. It is recommended that you upgrade to this version. Postorius (Django) and Mailman Core both have different notion of "user" and "password". When a user account in created in Postorius, it creates a user in Core using the REST API. This bug, causes the password of user created in Core to be set to their display name instead. However, as of now, there are no use cases of the user password in Core and it is present only for historical reasons. So, while this bug is a serious one, it wouldn't result in any real-world exploit. Along with the bug-fix, this release includes a new command that resets *all* user passwords in Core to a random value. Again, there are no use cases of these passwords so resetting *all* of them isn't going to cause any inconvenience to users. This command should be run after the upgrade: $ cd mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/ $ python manage.py reset_passwords Python 2.7 is the only supported Python version for this release. All versions of Django <=1.11 is supported. For more information about GNU Mailman and Postorius, please see our website: http://list.org The source code is available on Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/mailman/ [1]: https://pypi.org/project/postorius -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Schedule for a resolution of #406, #410 and #437
by Henrik Rasmussen Dec. 15, 2017

Dec. 15, 2017

I was wondering when #406<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/406>, #410<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/410> and #437<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/437> could be fixed. It seems that it would not be far, as !322<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/322> is ready to be merged. On another note, why doesn't mailman3.org seem to be affected by these problems, with so many members wide spread across the world, when I have at least three lists with only 1794, 646 and 317 members affected by it. -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk<mailto:her@adm.ku.dk>> University of Copenhagen, Danmark

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help for new installation.
by claudio.jofre＠yandex.com Dec. 12, 2017

Dec. 12, 2017

Hello everyone. A few days ago, I am trying to install and configure mailman 3, in a Centos7. and the truth has not been achieved. I am already a little desperate. I'll tell you First I install the hyperkitty-el.repo repository and install mailman 3, hyperkitty and postorius. Initially when reviewing and making some minor modifications to the mailman configuration file, the service apparently rises without major problems. The problem occurs when I try to configure the web interfaces. Initially the apache server did not start, with a series of errors. Following the instructions of the document published here: http://www.admin-magazine.com/Archive/2015/29/Mailman-3.0-a-long-time-comin… I managed to eliminate the initial errors, which prevented to raise the Apache server. However, when trying to access the web pages, in the case of hyperkitty, I get an error 500 with an "internal server error". In the case of postorius, I get an error 403 forbidden. In the mail, I receive a log, with the following content: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/ usr / bin / django-admin", line 5, in <module> management.execute_from_command_line () File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 354, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute () File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 303, in execute settings.INSTALLED_APPS File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 48, in __getattr__ self._setup (name) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 44, in _setup self._wrapped = Settings (settings_module) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 92, in __init__ mod = importlib.import_module (self.SETTINGS_MODULE) File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module __import __ (name) ImportError: No module named settings In the Apache logs, it also shows the following: [Mon Dec 11 21: 48: 41.875069 2017] [authz_core: error] [pid 15333] [client my-client-ip: 33584] AH01630: client denied by server configuration: / etc / postorius / sites / default / srv when I execute the command: django-admin check throws me the following: django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Requested setting DATABASES, but settings are not configured. You must either define the environment variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE or call settings.configure() before accessing settings. checking the ports, I can see that python has open ports 8000 in 127.0.0.1, and 8001 in external ip, for more than I have looked for information, documentation, etc, about the procedure of the installation. all the documentation I found, part of the premise of an installation, clean from git, by pip, but none from the yum and rpm. So it is difficult for me to determine what to apply, and what not. apparently no one has installed, or has had problems in the installation from repositories, or I am omitting some step (most likely) that I could not determine. the bad thing, is that in postfix, I have everything configured, with digital signatures, so I would not like to lose all that work, as to start with an installation from 0. If you can help me, it would be very helpful. since I made the request of help in another list, of dev, to which it is supposed that the consultations should be made, according to the historical mails, but I never received answer. Of course, thank you very much for any help and guidance they can give me.

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Re: Starting new thread in Postorius -> disappears
by Cameron Smith Dec. 12, 2017

Dec. 12, 2017

I would suggest that there is something very broken here: there seems to be a problem with communication between the email system (mailman core…?) and HyperKitty. On November 21, I sent the message below, as a part of this very thread, to Thor and cc’d the mailman 3 list. But the message never showed up in HyperKitty [1]. I don’t know if other list members received it in their email inboxes or not. Thor obviously received the message (it was addressed to him directly), because he referenced it in a message that is in the archives [1]. However, I never received an email copy of his message from the list. So, what’s going on? What baffles me is that more people are not complaining about this. Is it just that no one has noticed? Or is it some subtle misconfiguration in my system? And in Thor’s apparently. And maybe in the lists.mailman3.org system as well. [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > On 2017.11.21, at 06:31 , Cameron Smith <ccsmith(a)mail2.cetsi.com> wrote: > > Thor, > > I, too, have been struggling with messages not showing up [1], although the conditions are somewhat different. > > What I have found works to make all of the messages appear is the following, which you might try: > > sudo docker-compose exec mailman-web ./manage.py runjobs yearly > > > [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > > >> On 2017.11.21, at 04:41 , Thor Atle Rustad <thor.rustad(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> When I send a message from the Postorius interface, it is neither sent >>> out >>>> or stored. I briefly see this message: "Your reply has been sent and is >>>> being processed.", and then nothing happens. Cameron Smith Nanaimo, BC tel:1.604.803.0051

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Postorius: Dropdown menus problem
by Thor Atle Rustad Dec. 5, 2017

Dec. 5, 2017

In my latest iteration I installed Maxking docker-mailman by downloading the files (git clone https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman.git) and building the images myself by modifying docker-compose.yaml like this: services: mailman-core: container_name: mailman-core build: context: ./core dockerfile: Dockerfile-alternate Same thing goes for mailman-web. Only modification was changing the uid/gid in the images to make it equal to the local user on the host. Now a few things are not working. In Postorius <server>/postorius/lists/<listname>) there is a menu row (Subscription requests|Held messages|Members|Settings|Mass operations|Banned addresses etc). The two items Members and Mass operations should normally show a drop-down menu when clicked, but here nothing happens. Same thing for the Admin menu (can't access Logout, amongst other things). In Hyperkitty, messages are not loaded properly. In various places on the page I see spinning discs indicating something is loading, but nothing happens. Any ideas? Thor

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Setting up Admin Account
by Pierre Abbat Dec. 1, 2017

Dec. 1, 2017

So I installed a crontab for list and read about configuring the DB (I think I'll use SQLite). I got to http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html . Because of the dollar sign, I assume that the commands are to be run as list. Here's what I did: root@lists:~# ls root@lists:~# sudo list sudo: list: command not found root@lists:~# su list This account is currently not available. root@lists:~# ls /var/list ls: cannot access '/var/list': No such file or directory root@lists:~# locate mailman-suite_project root@lists:~# mkdir /var/list root@lists:~# chown list.list /var/list root@lists:~# su list This account is currently not available. root@lists:~# man su root@lists:~# su -s /bin/bash list list@lists:/root$ cd list@lists:~$ cd mailman-suite_project bash: cd: mailman-suite_project: No such file or directory list@lists:~$ mkdir mailman-suite_project list@lists:~$ cd mailman-suite_project list@lists:~/mailman-suite_project$ python manage.py createsuperuser python: can't open file 'manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory list@lists:~/mailman-suite_project$ locate manage.py /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/conf/project_template/manage.py /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/conf/project_template/manage.pyc /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/example_project/manage.py /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/example_project/manage.pyc /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/falcon/bench/dj/manage.py Which manage.py should I use? Pierre -- Lanthanidia deliciosa: What the kiwifruit would be if it weren't so radioactive.

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Where are the subject templates hidden?
by Thor Atle Rustad Nov. 29, 2017

Nov. 29, 2017

Using Docker. Suppose I've overcome https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/359 and I can make Mailman use the templates/site/no directory for my customized templates. Yes, it seems to be working, no hickups when national characters are used in the templates. but... the welcome message still says "Welcome to the "listname" mailing list" in English. Is it possible to change that?

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LMTP not listening
by Bartosz Sawicki Nov. 25, 2017

Nov. 25, 2017

Hi everyone :), This is my first post in this group, so let me thank all of the developers for incredible work with Mailman3. Special congratulations goes to new project leader, Abhilash :) I've been using Mailman2 from over 15 years, and recently decided that it is time to upgrade. For several days I'm playing with all of the components of the system. Currently everything looks to be working nicely :) Mailman-core, Mailman-suite (Postorius, Hyperkitty) installed directly, not using docker containers. The last step was integration with MTA. I've configured Postfix and Mailman-core according to: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.html#mailman-… But messages send to the list address are not delivered to the list :( I've started to investigate whats happening and realize that Postfix can not connect to mailman using LMTP. It seems that mailman is not listening on port 8024. Nov 24 13:12:31 lists postfix/lmtp[2737]: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024: Connection refused I've checked log files, but haven't realize anything unusual . Any ideas where I could try to find cause of the problem ? My mailman.cfg file MTA section: [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: localhost lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 regrds.

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Understanding solved issues in Running releases of Docker-mailman
by Henrik Rasmussen Nov. 24, 2017

Nov. 24, 2017

Newbie-question: This is more or less a GitHub / GitLab question, but specific to Mailman. Now using Running releases<https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/blob/master/README.md#rolling-rel…> of Docker-mailman (and in general using Docker-mailman), I am wondering, how I can tell which issues having been solved in each release? My goal is to understand when issues like (currently, but not limited to) Mailman-core issues #256<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/256>, #322<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/322>, #359<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/359> (all which states Closed in the Mailman-core Issue log) and Mailman-core issues #406<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/406>, #410<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/410> and MR !322<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/322> (which all states Open) have been solved and included in the Docker-mailman latest running release and normal release. I pulled the latest Running release<https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/blob/master/README.md#rolling-rel…> today, but as I have never been able to recreate the problems (above stated issues) my users experienced on several lists, I would like to make sure they have been solved, before I make a new attempt migrate my Mailman 2 lists to Mailman 3. -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk<mailto:her@adm.ku.dk>> University of Copenhagen, Danmark

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Time Stand Still
by Barry Warsaw Nov. 23, 2017

Nov. 23, 2017

Somewhen in the dark recesses of intarweb history, I found myself as the project leader for both Jython (née JPython) and GNU Mailman. I'd been involved with Jython since it was invented by Jim Hugunin around the time he came to work with us at Pythonlabs. I'd been contributing to Mailman since we inherited John Viega's Python-based Dave Matthews Band list server, and put it to use replacing python.org's Majordomo installation. I'd enjoyed both projects, but knew I could not lead both, so I had to make a choice. I chose to turn over Jython to a team that's done a much better job over the years than I ever could have. Something about email, and especially the communication and collaboration patterns that it facilitates, really fascinated me. I know, I know, but we all have our lapses of sanity. Mine has lasted almost 20 years, a bit more than "momentary" perhaps. I've rarely gotten paid to work on Mailman, but it did provide me some great opportunities. Most notably it led to my 10 year stint at Canonical. I was originally hired on there to integrate mailing lists with Launchpad, and Mailman was the obvious choice. I learned a ton doing that project, and working within the constraints of integrating the two Python-based systems, especially since Launchpad was originally not free software and Mailman was GPL'd. Later, the Zope-based Launchpad source code was released under the AGPL, making much of the monkeypatching unnecessary, but by then the system was solid and reliable, and you don't fix what's not broken. Except, I guess I did. I took a lot of the lessons from that work, along with a good hard look at all the problems with Mailman 2, and began to break another cardinal rule of software development: second system syndrome. The result is Mailman 3. It took forever, and we're still not at complete feature parity with Mailman 2, but at least it's Real Enough to be used at many Real Sites, including python.org and lists.fedoraprojects.org. It would be ridiculous for me to take significant credit for this. I have to acknowledge the amazing user community -- you! -- for all the support, patches, suggestions, feedback, patience, criticism, donations, and contributions that you've given to the project, and to me personally over the years. And my deepest gratitude goes to all the core developers that have stayed or come and gone, but most especially the current Cabal: Abhilash Raj, Aurelien Bompard, Florian Fuchs, Mark Sapiro, Stephen J. Turnbull, Terri Oda. You should know that each and every one of them is truly awesome, both in what they contribute technically, and in their amazing friendships. Mailman is infinitely better because of their involvement, and I've loved spending time with them over the years at the Pycon sprints, making releases and sharing teas and meals. My blog is called We Fear Change, and that's humorously taken from a 90's bit in Mike Myer's excellent Wayne's World movie (a phrase actually uttered by the brilliant Dana Carvey as Garth). The irony of course is that while we all may fear change, it's the one constant thing we can count on. And in fact, we *require* change to thrive, because if you aren't changing, you aren't alive. Time, and being engaged with life's vagaries, means there's no alternative to change; it must be embraced. And so, with a vague reference to the many (good!) changes in my personal and professional life, I'm announcing that I'm stepping down from the project leadership role of GNU Mailman, effective... nowish! And it's with unanimous agreement among the GNU Mailman Steering Committee (a.k.a. the Mailman Cabal), that we are announcing Abhilash Raj as the new project leader. If you don't recognize Abhilash's name, you probably aren't paying attention, at least to Mailman 3. Abhilash came to us in 2013 as a Google Summer of Code student, and he's become one of the project's most valuable contributors. His list of accomplishments is long, and it includes everything from redesigning the website, to integrating CI with our GitLab build system, porting our code to the SQLAlchemy ORM, adding MySQL support, revving up adoption through his Docker images, along with his great coding work on Core, Postorius, HyperKitty, and mailmanclient. This transition is good for the project too. Email, its defining protocols and standards, and its role in our daily lives, has changed profoundly since the early days of Mailman. A fresh perspective and enthusiasm will help keep Mailman relevant to the changing ways we -- especially the FLOSS and tech communities -- communicate. Please join me in supporting Abhilash in every way possible as he takes over in this new role as project leader. I'll be here when and if needed, even as I create space in my "spare" time for... Something Else. I look forward to the vision that Abhilash will bring to the project, and I know that he will do a great job. To me, Mailman has always been about collaboration, and the best way for it to succeed is for you to continue to contribute your insights, experiences, opinions, and skills with positive intention. -Barry https://www.wefearchange.org/

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Starting new thread in Postorius -> disappears
by Thor Atle Rustad Nov. 22, 2017

Nov. 22, 2017

I have had this working before, so I guess it's a simple setup error. When I send a message from the Postorius interface, it is neither sent out or stored. I briefly see this message: "Your reply has been sent and is being processed.", and then nothing happens. I have installed maxking's docker-mailman and copied my old setup with basic stuff like passwords and such. The only new thing is that I'm now running in userspace by putting in /etc/subuid and subguid: mailman:10000:65536 and in /etc/docker/daemon.json: { "userns-remap": "mailman" } So I get the following ownership in /opt/mailman: drwxrwsr-x 3 10100 10000 4096 nov. 21 09:00 core drwx------ 19 10070 10000 4096 nov. 21 09:27 database drwxr-sr-x 5 10100 10101 4096 nov. 21 09:24 web (I have created a user named mailman with uid 10100 so, in reality, it says "mailman" there instead of 10100 but I guess that is irrelevant here)

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Mailman Core 3.1.1 and Postorius 1.1.1 released
by Abhilash Raj Nov. 19, 2017

Nov. 19, 2017

Hello Everyone, I am pleased to announce the release of Mailman Core 3.1.1 and Postorius 1.1.1. Python 2.7 is the only supported version for Postorius 1.1.1 and Python 3.5-3.6 are supported for Mailman Core 3.1.1. Both of these are bugfix releases and include some improvements. For a full list of changes, please see [1] for Core and [2] for Postorius. [1]: http://mailman.rtfd.io/en/release-3.1/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html [2]: http://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html For more information about GNU Mailman, please see our wesbite at one of the following: http://www.list.org https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman http://mailman.sourceforge.net/ https://mirror.list.org/ Documentation for Mailman 3 is available at: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ Both of these can be downloaded from PyPI. https://pypi.org/project/mailman/ https://pypi.org/project/postorius/ thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Which crontab?
by Pierre Abbat Nov. 15, 2017

Nov. 15, 2017

According to http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html, I have to add "@daily mailman digests --send" to the crontab. Which crontab does it go in? In the system crontab, the thing after the time is the username, and there's no user named "mailman" in /etc/passwd. Or should I put a script in / etc/cron.daily/? Pierre -- loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji

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Rolling releases for Container Images and Funding Campaign for Mailman
by Abhilash Raj Nov. 14, 2017

Nov. 14, 2017

Hi Everyone, As you all know I have been working on container images for Mailman 3. We now have a new "rolling" tag for both mailman-core and mailman-web images. These images have latest source installed for every Mailman component. You can find more information about them on the website [3]. New images are available on quay.io and, moving forward, the rest of the image builds will also be moved to Quay[4][5]. These images are built using git-heads *only* if they are passing our test suite and are re-generated weekly. You should be aware that while all these components are tested with their individual test suites, their combination might sometimes not be stable. This will get you updates/bug-fixes much faster :) As most of you already know, Mailman 3 is the new and improved version with extra features, better security and much better architecture. We released Mailman Suite 3.0 in April 2015 and have come a long ways since then. Mailman Suite 3.1, release May 2016, was aimed to provide feature-parity with Mailman 2.x series and we think we _almost_ hit that goal. Apart from no monthly password reminders, Mailman 3 has a much better Administrator/User interface, REST API for scripting, a really awesome archiver, support for multiple domains, support for external plugins, support for SSO/social login and so much more! I love working on Mailman and would enjoy being able to do so full time for next 6-8 weeks. Mailman 3 is not very far from becoming the default version everyone would use, but it still needs some work to get there. I need help from you, the users of Mailman, to get us there. If you or your organization would like to move to (or, already moved to) Mailman 3, I urge you to donate[1] to us. There are options to donate using Credit Card, Paypal, Bitcoin, Wire Transfer (of any currency), Check and money order. If this campaign succeeds, here is a road map of what I intend to get done: - Move Django apps(UI/Archiver) to Python 3 (or bilingual) - Fork `mailman import` command to provide an upgrade path to Mailman 3.x from Mailman 2.x - Fix MySQL compatibility in Core - Changes in Postorius: - Add support for missing options that are already exposed in Core’s API - e.g. Support for setting templates - Find the commonly used options that are not exposed in Core, add them to Core's API and add to Postorius - Add Admin Dashboard project from GSoC 2014 (maybe?) - Add better testing of container images and provide deployment instructions for Kubernetes & Docker Swarm - Improve the container images to work with new micro-services architecture, to achieve scaling and redundancy in services. - Administrator/User documentation for Postorius & Mailman - (optional) Fork [mmcli](https://github.com/rajeevs1992/mailmancli) project from Rajeev, fix if there is anything missing and add it as an additional command line tool to work with Mailman Core. Maybe pull it under Mailman umbrella. Except for these, if there is something more important that is preventing the adoption of Mailman 3 from your end, we can discuss them. I'd like to mention that I have been working on Mailman 3 for quite some time now and I intend to implement every single item on the list. You donations would help it get done much sooner, hopefully in time for 3.2 release schedule (at PyCon US 2018). You can follow the progress of this campaign here[2]. [1]: https://my.fsf.org/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=22 [2]: https://wiki.list.org/x/17892025 [3]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/#rolling-releases [4]: https://quay.io/repository/maxking/mailman-web [5]: https://quay.io/repository/maxking/mailman-core -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

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Django 2.0 (and newer) requires Python 3; how about archiver and list handler Django apps?
by ddw David Wilson Nov. 13, 2017

Nov. 13, 2017

Hi all; LTS Django version 1.11, the last supporting Python 2.7, was released earlier this year. I noticed that in December 2017, Django version 2.0 will be released, which apparently will require Python 3.X Taken from the Django web site, 'We recommend using the latest version of Python 3. The last version to support Python 2.7 is Django 1.11 LTS.' Given that the utilities to archive and also handle email lists are both Django applications, which apparently have *not* yet been updated to Python 3, if I understand correctly? *This leads me to wonder if this presents a problem moving forward and staying compatible with the current versions of Django (in addition to Mailman 3.0)?* Many thanks in advance for any light you can shed in this area. Best regards. Dave Wilson

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Re: integrating mm3 with postfix / lmtp
by Mark Sapiro Nov. 13, 2017

Nov. 13, 2017

On 10/25/2017 05:41 PM, Fabian A. Santiago wrote: > > No to the domains part and I think virtual alias maps is needed: > > mail postfix/trivial-rewrite[19445]: warning: do not list domain xxx in BOTH virtual_mailbox_domains and relay_domains > Oct 25 20:39:19 mail postfix/trivial-rewrite[19445]: warning: do not list domain xxx in BOTH virtual_mailbox_domains and relay_domains > Oct 25 20:39:19 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[19441]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from pool-108-53-239-102.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net[108.53.239.102]: 550 5.1.1 <test123@xxx>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table; from=<fsantiago@xxx> to=<test123@xxx> proto=ESMTP helo=<[10.0.0.29]> (above slightly sanitized for return to the list) The issue here is your list domain cannot be a virtual_mailbox_domain or a virtual_alias_domain. I have the same issue on mail.python.org where we have both Mailman 2 and Mailman 3 lists @python.org. and python.org is a virtual_alias_domain. I have a group of MRs for a branch that implements "alias_domains" to deal with this. Basically it works by creating another (virtual_alias_maps) postfix_vmap mapping to map list addresses @python.org to addresses @x.python.org. Then the postfix_domains and postfix_lmtp maps have the x.python.org domain and there is a patch to mailman/runners/lmtp.py to map the x.python.org domain back to python.org. The various MRs are <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/202> for the core, <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient/merge_requests/18> for the REST bindings used by Postorius and <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/merge_requests/186> to be able to set an alias_domain via Postorius. That's not all implemented at mail.python.org. What's there is the basic Postfix config, a bash script the generate the new mappings from the old and a simple patch to mailman/runners/lmtp.py. So, the bottom line is it can be done and it's in process, but it won't really be supported until Mailman 3.2. In the mean time, you just need to have a separate domain for your lists that isn't a virtual_*_domain. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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HyperKitty: discussions not updating, misreporting stats
by Cameron Smith Nov. 13, 2017

Nov. 13, 2017

These are a couple of HyperKitty issues that I have talked about in August [1]. I’ve been doing a bit more experimentation in the last few days and am reporting my findings. The two issues are: — Missing messages: HyperKitty doesn’t show all of the messages in a discussion - Misreporting of discussion statistics: HyperKitty doesn’t update the number of participants and comments in a discussion I’m using the latest Docker setup. Neither of these issues are solved by updating or rebuilding indexes: sudo docker exec mailman-web ./manage.py update_index sudo docker exec mailman-web ./manage.py rebuild_index However, if I stop and then restart the containers (sudo docker-compose down; sudo docker-compose up -d), the discussion statistics are updated and properly display the number of participants and comments in all discussions. This does not, however, solve the problem of missing messages. I have discovered two methods of displaying the missing discussion messages: add a new message to the thread in HyperKitty; I’m not convinced that this works *every* time, but it at least works *most* times run the yearly cron job; this seems to work *every* time: sudo docker exec mailman-web ./manage.py runjobs yearly [1]: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Cameron Smith

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Bounces
by David Krantz Nov. 7, 2017

Nov. 7, 2017

Hi. How do I config mailman 3.1x to send any unrecognized bounces to e.g. the list owner? Now they just end up in the bounces table but I would like to see the entire message in this case. Cheers // David

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LDAP/Krb5/SAML auth for Mailman
by Dmitry Makovey Nov. 7, 2017

Nov. 7, 2017

Can anyone share some information on LDAP/Krb5 or better yet SAML auth implementation for Mailman. Is it just adding appropriate auth module to DJango project or is there more involved things? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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configuring moderators per list
by Dmitry Makovey Nov. 7, 2017

Nov. 7, 2017

We're trying to configure moderator per list and so far we were only able to add "superuser" accounts that can handle "Held messages", "Members", "Banned addresses" etc. Is there a way to create special account per-list to manage some of the aspects of particular ML without giving them all the permissions that Superuser comes along with? In MM2 there was a ML password that moderator/list admin would use to login to perform operations. Current setup allows list admins to add/delete existing lists which is not desired. -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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disabling social login
by Dmitry Makovey Nov. 6, 2017

Nov. 6, 2017

Hi, I'm trying to disable social login and running into troubles stepping on it's remnants all over the place. What's the proper sequence for disabling social login in MM3 install? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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Message shows up individually but not in the thread
by Marvin Gülker Nov. 4, 2017

Nov. 4, 2017

Hi, I've just observed something weird. While some users were testing the new mailman setup, the reply did not make it into the corresponding thread, but is still associated with it. That is, the message does not show up in the thread page at[1]. However, the reply is visible if requested individually[2]. Now what's weird is that in [2] there's a link at the top that says "< thread" that takes one to [1], so there is some kind of association appearently made but only in one direction (the reverse one). mailman.log has this to say: Nov 03 17:22:31 2017 (498) ACCEPT: <1fa6f9e1-254c-e999-42d0-9a6cc263020d(a)openmailbox.org> Nov 03 17:22:32 2017 (507) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.0/users/sydneyjd(a)openmailbox.org HTTP/1.1" 200 305 Nov 03 17:22:32 2017 (495) HyperKitty archived message <1fa6f9e1-254c-e999-42d0-9a6cc263020d(a)openmailbox.org> to https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-users@lists.secretch… The mailman-suite log contains: INFO 2017-11-03 17:22:32,910 14330 hyperkitty.views.mailman Archived message <1fa6f9e1-254c-e999-42d0-9a6cc263020d(a)openmailbox.org> to https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-users@lists.secretch… This looks to me like a bug. The OP of that thread sent the same message to our other mailinglist[3] (where he did not get a reply), so Mailman may has been confused by that. Marvin [1]: https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-users@lists.secretch… [2]: https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-users@lists.secretch… [3]: https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… -- Blog: https://www.guelkerdev.de PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F

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Hyperkitty Missing Theme/Style Sheets?
by Andrew Hodder Nov. 1, 2017

Nov. 1, 2017

I have an odd one, my Hyperkitty is functionally working fine (archived several lists without issue, can login/out), however I must have done something wrong during it's setup as it's layout is completely broken (and it keeps throwing Example.com up in the top-left corner). See attached. I'd run into a similar issue with Postorious when I first set it up, but I can't recall what fixed it. Any ideas to what needs correcting? Thanks. Sincerely, Andrew Hodder Systems Administrator Support Operations, Afilias E-mail: drew(a)afilias.info Phone: +1 416.673.4164 Fax: +1 416.646.1541

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localhost[::1] said: 550 Requested action not, taken: mailbox unavailable
by Bjoern Franke Oct. 29, 2017

Oct. 29, 2017

Hi, I created & imported a bunch of 2.1 lists and for one of the lists mm3 replies mailbox unavailable to postfix. I have no clue why this happens because the other lists work. Kind regards Bjoern

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No path configuration found: paths.master
by Pierre Abbat Oct. 27, 2017

Oct. 27, 2017

I installed postorius and hyperkitty with pip and ran into another problem. I ran "mailman info" and got "No path configuration found: paths.master". I have three files named mailman.cfg: /etc/mailman.cfg /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/config/mailman.cfg /var/etc/mailman.cfg The one in /etc contains the following: [mailman] layout: master The one in /var/etc is completely commented out. If I move the one in /etc/ out of the way and run "mailman info" again, I get this: GNU Mailman 3.1.0 (Between The Wheels) Python 3.5.2 (default, Sep 14 2017, 22:51:06) [GCC 5.4.0 20160609] config file: None db url: sqlite:////etc/var/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass It said "config file: /var/etc/mailman.cfg" before. What changed? Pierre -- La sal en el mar es más que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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Moderating posts via email
by Dmitry Makovey Oct. 26, 2017

Oct. 26, 2017

Hi, we are trying to figure out what is that we're doing wrong as we can't use instructions that mailman sends with information on held messages as referenced in: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/blob/master/src/mailman/chains/hold.py#L… In particular - replying to the message with "Approved: listpassword" we were not able to approve any message. Since there's no place we could find in interface to change ML password I did it through the mailmanclient: ml=client.get_list('mylists(a)lists.some.com') ml.settings['moderator_password']='password123' ml.settings.save() after which we've used above password trying to approve messages following the steps outlined above. What are we doing wrong, or where to look for further information? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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scheduled tasks in docker-based deployments
by Dmitry Makovey Oct. 26, 2017

Oct. 26, 2017

I came across the section http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required that claims that crontab entries are *required* for normal MM3 operations, but I do not see anything like that in docker-based implementation. Should I add similar cron jobs manually to the host box? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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Setting configuration variables on all lists from command line
by Peter Mueller Oct. 26, 2017

Oct. 26, 2017

Hello, could you provide an example how I can set various configuration variables using "mailman withlist" or "mailman "shell" on _all_ lists? E.g. I want to set on all lists: m.send_welcome_message = 0 m.send_goodbye_message = 0 Thank you! P.M.

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changing mail footer
by Dmitry Makovey Oct. 26, 2017

Oct. 26, 2017

Where and how can I set a footer of the message to include link to mailing list subsciptio/admin pages to simulate MM2 behavior? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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changing secrets on a prod instance
by Dmitry Makovey Oct. 26, 2017

Oct. 26, 2017

I'm trying to sort how to properly change secrets of an already running setup. In particular I want to be able to change: REST API user/password Hyperkitty API key Secret key So far, after attempting to change REST API credentials I've got my setup failing on me. Setup details: MM3 set up from maxking's docker images. -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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mailman info traceback (Ubuntu Xenial)
by Pierre Abbat Oct. 26, 2017

Oct. 26, 2017

I'm trying to set up a mailing list server using Mailman. I created a server running Ubuntu Xenial and installed, then removed, the Mailman in the repo, which is 1:2.1.20-1ubuntu0.1. Then I installed pip and ran "pip3 install mailman" and "mailman info" and got an error with traceback. I then tried installing sass and Django following the instructions (I have no idea about sass and Django), then uninstalled and reinstalled Mailman, and tried "mailman info" again. Here is the result: root@lists:/# mailman info Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 97, in main initialize(config_path) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 185, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 156, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 55, in create SchemaManager(database).setup_database() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 96, in setup_database alembic.command.stamp(alembic_cfg, 'head') File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/alembic/command.py", line 504, in stamp script.run_env() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/alembic/script/base.py", line 425, in run_env util.load_python_file(self.dir, 'env.py') File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/alembic/util/pyfiles.py", line 81, in load_python_file module = load_module_py(module_id, path) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/alembic/util/compat.py", line 83, in load_module_py spec.loader.exec_module(module) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 665, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 222, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/database/alembic/ env.py", line 38, in <module> @public File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/public/public.py", line 15, in public else sys.modules[thing.__module__].__dict__) KeyError: 'env_py' What am I doing wrong, and how do I fix it? Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman.

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how do I bulk-remove users from ML in MM3?
by Dmitry Makovey Oct. 26, 2017

Oct. 26, 2017

I just realized that "mailman members" only offers to "add members" via "-a filename" but I see no remove option. -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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integrating mm3 with postfix / lmtp
by Fabian A. Santiago Oct. 25, 2017

Oct. 25, 2017

Hello, I have mm3 up and running via docker (courtesy of maxking/docker-mailman) but when i send an email to my test list, it bounces back claiming user unknown. it states: <"lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024"@>: unknown user: "lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024" looking at the email source, it seems as though the message is trying to be delivered to: Final-Recipient: rfc822; "lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024"@<my email server's FQDN> Original-Recipient: rfc822;test123@<my list's email domain> all of various alias transport maps are defined in postfix's main.cf. not sure where to go from here. does anyone have any clues? -- Thanks, Fabian S. OpenPGP: 3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC

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mail host choices when creating a new list
by Andrew Hodder Oct. 24, 2017

Oct. 24, 2017

Hi! So, I'm trying to create a new list and pick one of the other mail domains we have configured (from the django admin panel), yet in the "Create New List" page in postorius, I see only a single option (the first domain we'd added/set as the default) in the drop-down under "Mail Host". Am I missing somewhere else I need to add alternative mail domains to? Thanks in advance! Sincerely, Andrew Hodder Systems Administrator Support Operations, Afilias E-mail: drew(a)afilias.info Phone: +1 416.673.4164 Fax: +1 416.646.1541

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Mailman installation results in KeyError: 'env_py'
by Marvin Gülker Oct. 24, 2017

Oct. 24, 2017

Hi, I'm trying to install Mailman 3 on Debian 9. However, it doesn't let me do. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ $ virtualenv -p python3 env [...] $ . ./env/bin/activate $ pip install mailman [...] Successfully installed [...]mailman-3.1.0[...] $ mailman info Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 97, in main initialize(config_path) File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 185, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 156, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 55, in create SchemaManager(database).setup_database() File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 96, in setup_database alembic.command.stamp(alembic_cfg, 'head') File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/lib/python3.5/site-packages/alembic/command.py", line 504, in stamp script.run_env() File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/lib/python3.5/site-packages/alembic/script/base.py", line 425, in run_env util.load_python_file(self.dir, 'env.py') File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/lib/python3.5/site-packages/alembic/util/pyfiles.py", line 81, in load_python_file module = load_module_py(module_id, path) File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/lib/python3.5/site-packages/alembic/util/compat.py", line 83, in load_module_py spec.loader.exec_module(module) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 673, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 222, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/database/alembic/env.py", line 38, in <module> @public File "/home/mailman/mailman-test/env/lib/python3.5/site-packages/public/public.py", line 15, in public else sys.modules[thing.__module__].__dict__) KeyError: 'env_py' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm not a Python developer, I usually use Ruby for anything web-related, thus I can't make anything of this. Since the error message conveys exactly no information that I could use to find the problem and Google provides no mailman-specific information on it, I don't know what to do now. Any hint is appreciated. Python version, if of any use: $ python --version Python 3.5.3 Greetings Marvin -- Blog: https://www.guelkerdev.de PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F

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mailman-web: ResponseNotReady
by Dmitry Makovey Oct. 22, 2017

Oct. 22, 2017

We've had an odd experience with mailman3 containers: ERROR 2017-10-18 15:47:09,448 60 django.request Internal Server Error: /postorius/lists/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 39, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 249, in _legacy_get_response response = self._get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 187, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 185, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 590, in list_index choosable_domains = _get_choosable_domains(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 524, in _get_choosable_domains return [(d.mail_host, d.mail_host) for d in domains] File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/_client.py", line 217, in __getattr__ return self._get(name) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/_client.py", line 183, in _get return self.rest_data.get(key) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/_client.py", line 172, in rest_data response, content = self._connection.call(self._url) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/_client.py", line 109, in call response, content = Http().request(url, method, data_str, headers) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1659, in request (response, content) = self._request(conn, authority, uri, request_uri, method, body, headers, redirections, cachekey) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1399, in _request (response, content) = self._conn_request(conn, request_uri, method, body, headers) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1355, in _conn_request response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1108, in getresponse raise ResponseNotReady() ResponseNotReady It seems like mailman-core is still operating properly, but for some reason mailman-web is not. Can I reset mailman-web somehow to re-initiate? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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Removing the footer from mails
by Peter Mueller Oct. 21, 2017

Oct. 21, 2017

Hi, mailman2 had the configuration variable "msg_footer" to edit/remove the footer. How can I get rid of the footer in mailman3? Example: "_______________________________________________ Example mailing list -- mailinglist(a)example.com To unsubscribe send an email to mailinglist(a)example.com" Thank you! P.M.

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Moving/cloning mailman3
by Dmitry Makovey Oct. 18, 2017

Oct. 18, 2017

Hi, I am drawing a blank looking for documentation for mailman3 migrations. How can one dump existing settings for mailman and import it into another instance? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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Mails from Django are not sent
by Bjoern Franke Oct. 17, 2017

Oct. 17, 2017

Hi, I'm using the "mailman-suite" setup for Postorious and Hyperkitty. I've set EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' in settings.py, but no mails are sent. Files with the e-mails are in the emails folder, but nothing happens, also no errors regarding emails are logged. Postfix as MTA can be connected via localhost:25 and e.g. mailman-core can use it fine. What can I do for further debugging? Kind regards Bjoern Franke

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Installing mailman using pip
by Loring Oct. 16, 2017

Oct. 16, 2017

I have install mailman-core using pip when I call up "mailman info" I get the following error can anyone point me to what is wrong. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 97, in main initialize(config_path) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 185, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 156, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 55, in create SchemaManager(database).setup_database() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 96, in setup_database alembic.command.stamp(alembic_cfg, 'head') File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/alembic/command.py", line 504, in stamp script.run_env() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/alembic/script/base.py", line 425, in run_env util.load_python_file(self.dir, 'env.py') File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/alembic/util/pyfiles.py", line 81, in load_python_file module = load_module_py(module_id, path) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/alembic/util/compat.py", line 83, in load_module_py spec.loader.exec_module(module) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 665, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 222, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/database/alembic/env.py", line 38, in <module> @public File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/public/public.py", line 15, in public else sys.modules[thing.__module__].__dict__) KeyError: 'env_py' -- Richmond Loring rloring(a)bnl.gov Advanced Systems Engineer

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Disabling max_message_size and send_welcome/goodbye_msg globally or by API
by Peter Mueller Oct. 11, 2017

Oct. 11, 2017

Hello, is it possible to turn off max_message_size and send_welcome_msg / send_goodbye_msg globally? If there are no global options, how can I turn off these feature using the REST API? In python you can do it with >>> mlist.max_message_size = 0. If I send a PATCH request to lists/some@list/config with body max_message_size=0, I get "Unknown attribute". Same for send_welcome_msg and send_goodbye_msg. Thank you! P.M.

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The message is larger than the 40 KB maximum size
by Simon Oct. 8, 2017

Oct. 8, 2017

Hello, I understand I cannot increase the message size limit in Postorius (yet). But is there another way to adjust it? Simon

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Re: Mailman core: basic internationalization howto?
by David Krantz Oct. 6, 2017

Oct. 6, 2017

Hi. This is far short of a howto: I have done something similar for one of my lists, although for Swedish. I just added custom templates for all things necessary and set the default language for the list to "sv" for Swedish. It worked without setting the language on the list but then any non-ASCII characters in the template caused mailman to crash and lose the mail without any warning if you send a HTML-formatted message. But it works just fine for pure text messages, I guess as the character set in my test mail was something compatible. I think I filed an error for this. The language for the list can be set via the "mailman withlist" command (or in the database directly, but I have not tried that). I run a relatively new version of mailman, after 3.1. Without Hyperkitty. // David On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Thor Atle Rustad <thor.rustad(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would like to use Norwegian in the welcome/subscribe/unsubscribe/confirm > etc messages from mailman3. For my current project I want all future > mailing lists to have Norwegian as default. I find some sporadic info on > the subject, but it's fair to say that I would like some simple > instructions (e.g. what to copy from where to where, and which configs to > change). > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

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Getting connection refused on postfix trying to connect to mailman-core:lmtp
by Dmitry Makovey Oct. 6, 2017

Oct. 6, 2017

I've got a setup where postfix runs inside one VM(container) and mailman runs inside another one (maxking containers). I've wired everything according to docs yet I'm getting: postfix/lmtp[266]: 66A72800A87: to=<somelist(a)lists.here.stanford.edu>, relay=none, delay=0.5, delays=0.48/0.01/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mailman-01.stanford.edu[1.2.3.4]:8024: Connection refused) is it something I'm missing on mailman side or postfix side (like this post suggests: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/365 )? Note: I've configured TLS on postfix side but none on mailman side. Is that the issue? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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WSGI configuration
by Loring Oct. 5, 2017

Oct. 5, 2017

So I am starting to install mailman3 and following the documentation and am up to the point of configuring the wsgi. The docs give me a config to use (see below) [uwsgi] # Port on which uwsgi will be listening. http-socket = 0.0.0.0:8000 # Move to the directory wher the django files are. chdir = /path-to-django-project-directory/ # Use the wsgi file provided with the django project. wsgi-file = wsgi.py # Setup default number of processes and threads per process. master = true process = 2 threads = 2 # Drop privielges and don't run as root. uid = 1000 gid = 1000 # Setup the django_q related worker processes. attach-daemon = ./manage.py qcluster # Setup the request log. req-logger = file:/path-to-logs/logs/uwsgi.log # Log cron seperately. logger = cron file:/path-to-logs/logs/uwsgi-cron.log log-route = cron uwsgi-cron # Log qcluster commands seperately. logger = qcluster file:/path-to-logs/logs/uwsgi-qcluster.log log-route = qcluster uwsgi-daemons # Last log and it logs the rest of the stuff. logger = file:/path-to-logs/logs/uwsgi-error.log Where does this config go? Does in go in the mailman3.cfg? Any help would be appreciated. -- Richmond Loring rloring(a)bnl.gov Advanced Systems Engineer

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Mailman core: basic internationalization howto?
by Thor Atle Rustad Oct. 5, 2017

Oct. 5, 2017

I would like to use Norwegian in the welcome/subscribe/unsubscribe/confirm etc messages from mailman3. For my current project I want all future mailing lists to have Norwegian as default. I find some sporadic info on the subject, but it's fair to say that I would like some simple instructions (e.g. what to copy from where to where, and which configs to change).

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Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode'
by Henrik Rasmussen Oct. 3, 2017

Oct. 3, 2017

When held mails are released in Mailman (maybe also mails which are not held) they are sometimes not sent nor archived, as mentioned in https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… One of my list admins reported that he released two mails on Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 UTC, and only the first was sent to the members. In the mailman.log I found the following from that particular release: Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar HTTP/1.1" 200 353 Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) held message approved, message-id: <CAF9K74uk331j91PfF6S1nQT2YvxywwhUFBWBBcdMGkNMMU4=TA(a)somemail.com> Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "POST /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/held/40 HTTP/1.1" 204 0 Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) held message approved, message-id: <804D10D40C57024A90412246998CB72D873B794B(a)P1KITMBX07WC04.mailserver> Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "POST /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/held/42 HTTP/1.1" 204 0 Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/held?count=0&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/held?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (28) HyperKitty archived message <CAF9K74uk331j91PfF6S1nQT2YvxywwhUFBWBBcdMGkNMMU4=TA(a)somemail.com> to https://listserver.foo.bar/hyperkitty/list/listname@foo.bar/message/IAKWSH7… Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar HTTP/1.1" 200 353 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/config HTTP/1.1" 200 2473 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar HTTP/1.1" 200 353 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 613 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/roster/moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 617 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar HTTP/1.1" 200 353 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/requests HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Sep 25 07:20:56 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar HTTP/1.1" 200 353 Sep 25 07:20:56 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 613 Sep 25 07:20:56 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/roster/moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 617 Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/config HTTP/1.1" 200 2473 Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/archivers HTTP/1.1" 200 81 Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/archivers HTTP/1.1" 200 81 Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/requests HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode' Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 53, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/subject_prefix.py", line 174, in process mlist, msgdata, subject, prefix, prefix_pattern, ws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/subject_prefix.py", line 72, in all_same_charset chunks.append(chunk.decode(charset)) AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode' Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) SHUNTING: 1506324057.584686+a13cc47dc1027a0cfb00c892396b3ba7efabb3dc In addition, the log contains other trace backs that might or might not associate to this problem: Sep 24 21:11:27 2017 (34) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\udcea' in position 3093: ordinal not in range(128) Sep 24 21:11:28 2017 (34) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 86, in deliver refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/bulk.py", line 101, in deliver mlist, msg, msgdata, recipients) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 70, in _deliver_to_recipients sender, sorted(recipients), msg.as_string()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/connection.py", line 84, in sendmail results = self._connection.sendmail(envsender, recipients, msgtext) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/smtplib.py", line 855, in sendmail msg = _fix_eols(msg).encode('ascii') UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\udcea' in position 3093: ordinal not in range(128) Sep 24 21:11:28 2017 (34) SHUNTING: 1506287488.0529234+cbf8a31cad265a40a18e8955be0c9ad8b48a1b66 ...¨ Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode' Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 53, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/subject_prefix.py", line 174, in process mlist, msgdata, subject, prefix, prefix_pattern, ws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/subject_prefix.py", line 72, in all_same_charset chunks.append(chunk.decode(charset)) AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode' Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) SHUNTING: 1506324057.584686+a13cc47dc1027a0cfb00c892396b3ba7efabb3dc ... Sep 25 09:19:58 2017 (30) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 420, in _step_send_confirmation raise StopIteration StopIteration ... Sep 26 09:21:07 2017 (36) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 217, in _step_sanity_checks MemberRole.member) mailman.interfaces.member.AlreadySubscribedError: sender(a)foo.bar is already a MemberRole.member of mailing list listname(a)listserver.foo.bar ... Sep 26 13:32:29 2017 (30) Uncaught runner exception: Sep 26 13:32:29 2017 (30) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/command.py", line 196, in _dispose mlist, msg, msgdata, parts, results) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/eml_confirm.py", line 53, in process mlist).confirm(token) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 540, in confirm PendableUnsubscription.PEND_TYPE) AssertionError ... Sep 27 13:23:02 2017 (32) Uncaught runner exception: 'content-transfer-encoding' Sep 27 13:23:02 2017 (32) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 86, in deliver refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/bulk.py", line 101, in deliver mlist, msg, msgdata, recipients) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 70, in _deliver_to_recipients sender, sorted(recipients), msg.as_string()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 158, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 272, in _handle_multipart g.flatten(part, unixfrom=False, linesep=self._NL) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 358, in _handle_message g.flatten(msg.get_payload(0), unixfrom=False, linesep=self._NL) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 189, in _write msg.replace_header('content-transfer-encoding', munge_cte[0]) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 558, in replace_header raise KeyError(_name) KeyError: 'content-transfer-encoding' Sep 27 13:23:02 2017 (32) SHUNTING: 1506518582.300981+aa68949ca566c7170a81a0bd643cee803f29c312

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The msgtext argument in 'self._connection.sendmail(envsender, recipients, msgtext)' is supposed to be a string containing only ascii characters.
by Henrik Rasmussen Oct. 3, 2017

Oct. 3, 2017

Hi Mark. This was originally from another thread https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…, but as it isn't related to the problem in the thread, I'll split it in another thread. On 09/29/2017 05:46 AM Mark Sapiro wrote: >> In addition, the log contains other trace backs that might or might not associate to this problem: >> >> Sep 24 21:11:27 2017 (34) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\udcea' in position 3093: ordinal not in range(128) >> Sep 24 21:11:28 2017 (34) Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration >> self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file >> keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose >> self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 86, in deliver >> refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/bulk.py", line 101, in deliver >> mlist, msg, msgdata, recipients) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 70, in _deliver_to_recipients >> sender, sorted(recipients), msg.as_string()) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/connection.py", line 84, in sendmail >> results = self._connection.sendmail(envsender, recipients, msgtext) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/smtplib.py", line 855, in sendmail >> msg = _fix_eols(msg).encode('ascii') >> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\udcea' in position 3093: ordinal not in range(128) >> Sep 24 21:11:28 2017 (34) SHUNTING: 1506287488.0529234+cbf8a31cad265a40a18e8955be0c9ad8b48a1b66 > > > This may be a bug. The msgtext argument in > 'self._connection.sendmail(envsender, recipients, msgtext)' is supposed > to be a string containing only ascii characters. I'm interested in > what's in Mailman's > var/queue/shunt/1506287488.0529234+cbf8a31cad265a40a18e8955be0c9ad8b48a1b66.pck. > You may be able to print the contents with Mailman's > > bin/mailman queue > var/queue/shunt/1506287488.0529234+cbf8a31cad265a40a18e8955be0c9ad8b48a1b66.pck > > There shouldn't be raw unicodes like \udcea in the text of the message, > but we should defend against that anyway. [root@lstapp01pl ~]# docker exec -it mailman-core mailman qfile var/queue/shunt/1506287488.0529234+cbf8a31cad265a40a18e8955be0c9ad8b48a1b66.pck [----- start pickle -----] <----- start object 1 -----> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 100, in main args.func(args) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_qfile.py", line 81, in process printer.pprint(obj) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/pprint.py", line 139, in pprint self._format(object, self._stream, 0, 0, {}, 0) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/pprint.py", line 176, in _format stream.write(rep) UnicodeEncodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't encode character '\udcea' in position 3025: surrogates not allowed -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk> University of Copenhagen, Danmark

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Something wrong with my Hyperkitty base_url?
by Andrew Hodder Oct. 2, 2017

Oct. 2, 2017

Finally have everything stood up and working, except for HyperKitty mailman plugin. I'm getting a path issue of sorts I can see in the archiver.log (have it set to debug log level in the mailman core): Oct 02 19:12:37 2017 (8144) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv3/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty-1.0.2-py3.4.egg/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File "/opt/mailman/venv3/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty-1.0.2-py3.4.egg/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 210, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: <h1>Not Found</h1><p>The requested URL /archives/api/mailman/archive was not found on this server.</p> My base_url in the mailman-hyperkitty.cfg: base_url: http://localhost:8002/archives I've tried changing localhost to the FQDN but that just gives different errors (where it can't even attempt to exchange the secret, so I know at least that part is working. Just this '/archives/api/mailman/archive' path I'm head scratching at. I've tried removing the /archives off the end, no change though. Any thoughts/help would be appreciated, thanks! Sincerely, Andrew Hodder Systems Administrator Support Operations, Afilias E-mail: drew(a)afilias.info Phone: +1 416.673.4164 Fax: +1 416.646.1541

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question about recommended postfix configuration
by Marc Sluiter Oct. 2, 2017

Oct. 2, 2017

Hi, im trying to setup mailman and have an issue: first my environment: - I’m running postfix etc with "mailcow-dockerized": https://mailcow.github.io/mailcow-dockerized-docs/ - I’m running mailman with "docker-mailman": https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ I got almost everything working besides confirm mails (see my other mail), but I had to use another postfix configuration than recommended, I’m wondering why the recommended way didn’t work. Sidenote: I’m not a postfix expert. This is recommended: transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains This didn’t work, all mails to mailman were rejected. Postfix did not even check the “local_recipient_maps”. After a lot of reading that made sense to me, because when I understand it correctly, “local_recipient_maps” is only checked for domains in “mydestinations”. And there I only have localhost. My first change then was to use “relay_recipient_maps” instead of “local_recipient_maps”, because the domains were also added to the relay configuration "relay_domains". That worked. But then I noticed warnings by postfix about having the same domain in “virtual_mailbox_domains” and “relay_domains”. Made sense again because I used the same domain in my “normal” mail setup (with “virtual_mailbox_domains”) and in mailman. So finally I ended up with adding the mailman files to “virtual_mailbox_domains” and “virtual_mailbox_maps” instead of “relay_domains” and “local_recipient_maps”. Do my findings and changes make sense to you? Or do I miss something important? Good thing is that at least “transport_maps” worked for whatever configuration I used :) Thanks and greetings, Marc

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default language ignored
by Marc Sluiter Oct. 2, 2017

Oct. 2, 2017

Hi, one last question for now: how do switch the language of the mails sent by mailman? I have this in my configuration, but without effect: [language.de] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.de] description: German [language.de] enabled: yes [mailman] default_language: de Is it also possible to change the language for a single list? Greetings, Marc

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Confirmation email bounces because of listname+something@example.com
by thor.rustad＠gmail.com Oct. 2, 2017

Oct. 2, 2017

I'm sure this is a small configuration error, but I have followed the instructions for mailman3 and postfix. Basically mailman works fine, but confirmation emails, when answered by the subscriber or would-be subscriber, fails because 'listname' (after the '+something' is stripped off) is not a local user. Also see my post to the postfix group: http://postfix.1071664.n5.nabble.com/address-extension-fails-for-mailman-td…. Mind you, the postfix local_recipient_maps=regexp:/path/postfix_lmtp will correctly match any of the lists, but once the <+something> is added to the listname, it fails. Note that I have configured a subdomain, klubb.domain.com, for my mailing lists. First, my postfix.cf: recipient_delimiter = + smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no append_dot_mydomain = no readme_directory = no smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mailer.example.com/cert.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mailer.example.com/privkey.pem smtpd_use_tls=yes smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_helo_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, smtpd_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_loglevel = 2 smtpd_tls_loglevel = 2 smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, defer_unauth_destination mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 172.19.199.0/24 <public.ip>/32 myhostname = mailer.example.com mydomain = example.com alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = mailer.example.com mydestination = klubb.$mydomain, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $myhostname, $mydomain relayhost = mailbox_size_limit = 0 inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all compatibility_level = 2 transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no propagate_unmatched_extensions = canonical, virtual, alias, forward, include Here is the line in postfix mail.log where the valid listname+token is rejected: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-lf0-f43.google.com[209.85.215.43]: 550 5.1.1 <abcliste-confirm+79ecdc9fe57e086b8e1335299ef5255d156b72db(a)klubb.example.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<me(a)mydomain.com> to=<abcliste-confirm+79ecdc9fe57e086b8e1335299ef5255d156b72db(a)klubb.example.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-lf0-f43.google.com> Any help will be appreciated.

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Confirmation email bounces because of listname+something@example.com
by Thor Atle Rustad Oct. 2, 2017

Oct. 2, 2017

I'm sure this is a small configuration error, but I have followed the instructions for mailman3 and postfix. Basically mailman works fine, but confirmation emails, when answered by the subscriber or would-be subscriber, fails because 'listname' (after the '+something' is stripped off) is not a local user. Also see my post to the postfix group: http://postfix.1071664.n5.nabble.com/address-extension-fails-for-mailman-td… . Mind you, the postfix local_recipient_maps=regexp:/path/postfix_lmtp will correctly match any of the lists, but once the <+something> is added to the listname, it fails. Note that I have configured a subdomain, klubb.domain.com, for my mailing lists. First, my postfix.cf: recipient_delimiter = + smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no append_dot_mydomain = no readme_directory = no smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mailer.example.com/cert.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mailer.example.com/privkey.pem smtpd_use_tls=yes smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_helo_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, smtpd_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_loglevel = 2 smtpd_tls_loglevel = 2 smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, defer_unauth_destination mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 172.19.199.0/24 <public.ip>/32 myhostname = mailer.example.com mydomain = example.com alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = mailer.example.com mydestination = klubb.$mydomain, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $myhostname, $mydomain relayhost = mailbox_size_limit = 0 inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all compatibility_level = 2 transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no propagate_unmatched_extensions = canonical, virtual, alias, forward, include Here is the line in postfix mail.log where the valid listname+token is rejected: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-lf0-f43.google.com[209.85.215.43]: 550 5.1.1 < abcliste-confirm+79ecdc9fe57e086b8e1335299ef5255d156b72db(a)klubb.example.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=< me(a)mydomain.com> to=< abcliste-confirm+79ecdc9fe57e086b8e1335299ef5255d156b72db(a)klubb.example.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-lf0-f43.google.com> Any help will be appreciated. Thor

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"Private archives" aren't private
by Simon Liebold Sept. 29, 2017

Sept. 29, 2017

Hello, #129 says that private lists are visible in the archive overview only but "archives aren't displayed". However, I can browse a private list's archives and read the mail text while not logged in. Shouldn't the private archive be hidden from anonymous users? Simon

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"spoofing" mailing list address
by Dmitry Makovey Sept. 29, 2017

Sept. 29, 2017

Hi, We're trying to migrate from 2.1.x to 3.1. In the process we want to modify old setup in which mailing lists were part of our normal mail domain (so both user accounts and ML would be under @x.stanford.edu) in new scenario we want to move ML into @lists.x.stanford.edu, yet preserve addressing compatibility with old naming scheme. To that end we thought of making following setup: list(a)x.stanford.edu -postfix:alias-> list(a)lists.x.stanford.edu however in this setup users will receive mail from the "unknown" domain for them so any filtering they've done will break. Is there a configuration change we can make for those old ML to spoof old ML emails? so they would look as if they came from list(a)x.stanford.edu ? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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Mailman only send some release messages to the subscribers
by Henrik Rasmussen Sept. 28, 2017

Sept. 28, 2017

I have three list admins each maintaining one list, thus three lists: E, H and S. All reports that some mails they release from Held messages are sent, some isn't. In the logs (Mailman smtp.log and postfix log I can confirm that at least one of the lists (E) sent out another message to 559 recips at Sep 26 09:31:12 201 (UTC+2) so something is working. The admin of list E explains that she have released mails that came out, but some mails isn't sent when she reases them. Among others a mail she released Sep 26 09:38. I can also see in the Mailman Postfix log that Mailman received a mail from the Admin's e-mail address sender(a)foo.bar. Sep 26 09:38:49 postfix postfix/smtpd[5527]: D8E6D1109026: client=gateway[172.19.199.1] Sep 26 09:38:49 postfix postfix/cleanup[6076]: D8E6D1109026: message-id=<E7657360D6CFE64DBAC4E5D158511918873690FB(a)mailserver.foo.bar> Sep 26 09:38:49 postfix postfix/qmgr[139]: D8E6D1109026: from=<sender(a)foo.bar>, size=19589, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 26 09:38:49 postfix postfix/lmtp[6077]: D8E6D1109026: to=<s(a)listserver.foo.bar>, relay=172.19.199.2[172.19.199.2]:8024, delay=0.03, delays=0.01/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Sep 26 09:38:49 postfix postfix/qmgr[139]: D8E6D1109026: removed I cannot find the mail-id in the Mailman smtp.log, however in the smtp.log I found that the mail was received Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) Peer: ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) handling connection Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Data: b'LHLO mailgateway.foo.bar' Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<sender(a)foo.bar>' Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) sender: sender(a)foo.bar Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Data: b'RCPT TO:<s(a)listserver.foo.bar>' Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) recip: s(a)listserver.foo.bar Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Data: b'DATA' Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Data: b'QUIT' Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) connection lost Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) Connection lost during _handle_client() I don't see any release of the held mail not that it was sent out. Two hours later I see a a log message about a notification mail to the admin that another mail had been held, but not anything about the released mail neither in thge smtp.log nor the postfix log. I don't know why it only works sometimes. -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk<mailto:her@adm.ku.dk>> University of Copenhagen, Danmark

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mailman-cli tools
by Dmitry Makovey Sept. 27, 2017

Sept. 27, 2017

I've come across mailman-cli docs: http://mailman-cli.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailmanclient/cli/docs/usin… yet I cannot figure out what's the official source for the installation. Rabbit hole of links lead me to https://github.com/rajeevs1992/mailmancli which suggests: sudo pip install mailman.client and that doesn't work. I also did: pip install mailmanclient in hopes that it comes with CLI tools, but it looks like it is only the library. Am I looking in wrong places or is it that mailman3 cli tools are "not there"? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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HyperKitty: Thread matching query does not exist
by C. R. Oldham Sept. 26, 2017

Sept. 26, 2017

Greetings, I have an active list for which I am trying to debug some deliverability issues. When a user tells me that folks aren't getting their postings, I check the archives first. In this case, I am getting a traceback saying "thread matching query does not exist" when I try to go to the HyperKitty page for the list. How can I debug this? I am using Mailman 3 via the Docker containers documented here: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ The container versions appear to be 0.1. --cro

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Upgrade path
by David Krantz Sept. 23, 2017

Sept. 23, 2017

Hi. I currently run MM3.0 based on the old bundle installation. It seems to work just fine although with a number of minor and major annoyances that probably have been fixed now. What is the rekommended way to upgrade to the newest version? (newest _usable_ version, of course)? Is it docker-only with a migration from the current solution to a docker based? If so, any ideas or pointers on how to go about this? Cheers // David

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mailman 3 adding extraneous /var/ to pid path?
by Andrew Hodder Sept. 21, 2017

Sept. 21, 2017

I'm not sure if this is a bug, or if I've configured something I'm unable to find doing this. But when I'm attempting to stop my mailman3 process, I keep getting an extra /var/ appending into the pid path, so it never finds the PID to terminate. Here are some examples, run at different times, some with different -C configs to launch, all worked successfully to start, this is only a problem on the stop.: (venv3) [root@mailman3(on1) venv3]# mailman stop Shutting down Mailman's master runner PID unreadable in: /opt/mailman/venv3/var/master.pid [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/venv3/var/master.pid' Is the master even running? (venv3) [root@mailman3(on1) var]# mailman stop Shutting down Mailman's master runner PID unreadable in: /opt/mailman/var/var/master.pid [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/var/var/master.pid' (venv3) [root@mailman3(on1) var]# mailman stop Shutting down Mailman's master runner PID unreadable in: /opt/mailman/var/etc/var/var/master.pid [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/var/etc/var/var/master.pid' I keep getting around this by creating symlinks to the pid file and then the stop works, but it's getting silly. It seems like mailman just assumes CWD + /var/ + master.pid must be the location. Once I realized this, I found I can do "mailman stop" so long as I'm only in /opt/mailman/ (since it'd then add /var/master.pid). But that seems a little nonsensical. Going to try my hand at using the environment variables MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE and MAILMAN_VAR_DIR, maybe that will sort this out. But if anyone can explain further, it'd be appreciated. Sincerely, Andrew Hodder Systems Administrator Support Operations, Afilias E-mail: drew(a)afilias.info Phone: +1 416.673.4164 Fax: +1 416.646.1541

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Change Base URI for Mailman 3.1
by Dmitry Makovey Sept. 21, 2017

Sept. 21, 2017

I'm tinkering with docker container of mailman 3.1 however I'm trying to utilize existing nginx server thus I need to map "/mailman" to mailman-web docker container vs default "/" mapping. Where do I configure base URI for mailman-web ? (quick search of archives and googling didn't yield any positive results thus far) -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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Mailman List Lost on URL transfer
by heartsandbones＠zoho.com Sept. 20, 2017

Sept. 20, 2017

Hello Mailman Forum! I hope you all can help me. I have been banging my head against this issue for weeks. Here’s the scoop: I did a web site redesign for a non-profit. They didn’t mention to me that they had a mailman list associated with the site. When we transferred the url to Squarespace their list quakers(a)sbfriends.org stopped functioning and the administration login link: http://mail.sbfriends.org/mailman/admin/quakers_sbfriends.org results in a “server not found” error. I don’t know how to set up the site so that their mailman list works again. Please tell me exactly what to do to make this work. Let me know if I can provide any additional information to help you help me. This is my first post to this forum, so I hope I’ve done so correctly. Thanks so much! Licity

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Log for outgoing e-mails
by Henrik Rasmussen Sept. 20, 2017

Sept. 20, 2017

Docker mailman 0.1.1 Where is outgoing e-mails logged? Where can I see who it was sent to? On my test list I subscribed a new member (say recipient(a)hotmail.com) using Mass operation subscription. From another e-mail, not subscribed to the list (say sender(a)example.ku.dk) I sent a mail to the list which was held as expected. The message was logged in /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/smtp.log. When I released the mail, the newcoming member recipient(a)hotmail.com received the mail as expected, but I don’t see any log messages that the mail was sent other than: Sep 20 11:50:52 2017 (34) <6DCC3E5DA06FE346B4DE4876C4F2713D019BB70E39(a)foo.bar> smtp to testlist(a)mailman3.ku.dk for 1 recips, completed in 0.052258968353271484 seconds Sep 20 11:50:52 2017 (34) <6DCC3E5DA06FE346B4DE4876C4F2713D019BB70E39(a)foo.bar> post to testlist(a)mailman3.ku.dk from sender(a)example.ku.dk, 13041 bytes -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk> University of Copenhagen, Danmark

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restrict sending to owner/moderator
by m.dohmen＠xconnect.de Sept. 20, 2017

Sept. 20, 2017

Hello, I'd like to restrict message acceptance on a per-list basis to the owner or moderator, so that simple subscribers cannot send messages to the list. But I don't want the owner/moderator having to moderate own messages, so the member setting "hold for moderation" in Postorius isn't applicable. Is there a way to do this?

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Deleting archives
by Henrik Rasmussen Sept. 14, 2017

Sept. 14, 2017

Docker-mailman 0.1: I have deleted some lists that I used for testing, but Hyperkitty seems to preserve the archives in the Available lists. Clicking on a list archive gets me to the archive of that list (with no posts because I haven't posted anything to the list). The URL is https://[WEBSITE]/hyperkitty/list/[LISTNAME](a)[LISTDOMAIN]/<https://[WEBSITE]/hyperkitty/list/%5bLISTNAME%5d(a)%5bLISTDOMAIN%5d/> (with a (a)), but when I click Manage subscription, the URI changes to https://[WEBSITE]/postorius/lists/[LISTNAME].[LIST<https://[WEBSITE]/postorius/lists/%5bLISTNAME%5d.%5bLIST>DOMAIN/ (with a dot instead of (a) which seems normal behavior) and I get a "Not Found The requested URL /postorius/lists/[LISTNAME]DOT[LISTDOMAIN]/ was not found on this server. " error. Of course I can't manage the subscription for a list I have deleted, but shouldn't the archive for a list be deleted along deleting the list. Henrik Rasmussen

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Installing mm3 with docker
by Tom Browder Sept. 10, 2017

Sept. 10, 2017

I am trying to follow instructions but when I get to the actual docker pull command (with trust enabled): # docker pull maxking/mailman-core:release I get an error message: No trust data for release I have tried adding various tags but no changes. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. -Tom

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Mailman 3 bounce handling and DKIM mitigation
by David Krantz Sept. 5, 2017

Sept. 5, 2017

Hi, I have a question on bounce handling. I get the impression that bounces are just lost and neither handled nor forwarded to the list admin. Is this a known problem? I am running mailman from git, but about version 3.1 and use postfix. I find lots of things in the bounceevents table. Is there any way to find out more on these events? I probably can configure postfix to send listname-bounce@domain to an admin adress. Or for that matter hack mailman to send it to the correct admin. Also the DKIM mitigation does not seem to detect DKIM domains. If I force the mitigation for all mails it works but that of course has annoying consequences although mostly cosmetic. This has caused quite a number of bounces for my lists (as well as being temporarily banned by at least Microsoft). I'm thinking of upgrading to a later version. What is the latest version that might be a good idea to install today? I install from gitlab. cheers // David

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Social Auth, howto?
by Claus-Justus Heine Sept. 2, 2017

Sept. 2, 2017

Hi, sorry, this seems to be a Django stuff, but how do I enable this social auth stuff? I get the following Fedora: gives me a login screen (ok) Yahoo: gives me a login screen and lots of commercials (ok) OpenId: gives me a possibility to sign up or in (ok) Github: internal server error 500, Django log: DoesNotExist: SocialApp matching query does not exist. Same with GitLab and Google. Ok, seemingly I need to do something to make it work, has anyone a link to some snippet of documentation of example setup? Thanks Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

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Moderation requests, dash-board link in notification?
by Claus-Justus Heine Sept. 2, 2017

Sept. 2, 2017

Hi there, I suppose this is rather a simple configuration issue. However, with Mailman v2 the moderator or list-owner was supplied with a link to the admin-site in the moderation-reminder. I suppose that this can also be very easily configured with v3? Of course, I know where my amdin-site is, but I am planning to deploy mm3 in a setting with educated dummy users which probably would rather first ask and only try to find out by themselves if they cannot find someone to ask. Cheers Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

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Funny responds to subscriptions emails
by Claus-Justus Heine Sept. 2, 2017

Sept. 2, 2017

Playing around with mailman3 I get funny responds from the list-manager to subscription requests. I have set up a "playground" list (guess why) and trying to subscribe via email. Basically, things work. However, the end-user (me) gets confusing responses. I would not care for myself, but ... What I did: send an Email > To: playground <playground-subscribe(a)lists.claus-justus-heine.de> > From: Claus-Justus Heine <Claus-Justus.Heine(a)IANS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> > Subject: Test So far so good. I get the expected confirmation email with subject confirm 3093b4 etc etc etc But I also get a second rather confusing email: > The results of your email command are provided below. > > - Original message details: > From: Claus-Justus Heine <Claus-Justus.Heine(a)IANS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> > Subject: Test > Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 22:24:08 +0200 > Message-ID: <44151460-05a8-4c35-e0d4-646efe3cf234(a)IANS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> > > - Results: > Confirmation email sent to Claus-Justus Heine <Claus-Justus.Heine(a)IANS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> > No such command: Test > No such command: --=20 > No such command: Claus-Justus > No such command: f=C3=BCr > No such command: Numerische > No such command: Stuttgart > No such command: +49 > No such command: +49 > > - Done. BTW, I also got the same confusing email when subscribing to mailman-users(a)mailman3.org (is attached). Can this be switched off? I don't care for myself, but if you think that this software is ready for production, then end-users should not receive such kind of """"things"""" Regards Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

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Mailman3 Docker question and importing lists from MM2
by Andrew Hodgson Sept. 2, 2017

Sept. 2, 2017

Hi, Started experimenting with the Docker images at https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/. I had a question regarding the parameter: SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN. I want to use multiple domains, what is the best way to specify multiple domains in this environment variable? I tried it without the environment set, and also with some variables like: SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN=['lists.domain.com', 'lists.domain2.com'] and SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN="lists.domain1.com", "lists.domain2.com" However I still only get the example.com site. Furthermore, is there a recommended way to get data from MM2 (list configs and archives) into MM3? Thanks. Andrew.

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Help request, almost got it going, but ....
by Claus-Justus Heine Sept. 2, 2017

Sept. 2, 2017

First: thanks for all those development work, I am aware of the fact that this is free software and most of the development probably happened in someones spare-time. I have some problems: - I tried to install mailman v3. "Read the (non) docs" was of little help, but I got to some partly success following the commands in the scripts in the docker image at https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman Things seemed to work out, I generated a test-list "Playground" and now I am just in the progress to click through all the configuration options in the the postorius Web-GUI. So far so good Now I read the "Message Acceptance" tab AND here is the problem: Seemingly, at some point in the deep dungeons of the source code the "Acceptable aliases" Text-Box is not interpreted correctly. Specifically, at the start it contains the string [] When then changing something int the "Message Acceptance" tab, an error shows up in the web-page (but no-where in the logs) "An error occured: []" and the bogus [] is restored. I tried to dig into the source code, and well, the data source of the text-field is an array or list of acceptable email-adresses. But seemingly finally at some point in the source code an empty list is not converted to the empty string, but to the string []. I can get rid of the error message "An error occured: []" by inserting an email-at '@' at just some place in the input box, this yields (clicking "Save changes" again and againg ...): [u"[u'@']"] [u'[u\'[u"[u\\\'@\\\']"]\']'] [u'[u\'[u\\\'[u\\\\\\\'[u"[u\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'@\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\']"]\\\\\\\']\\\']\']'] and so on. Unfortunately, I did not find the location of this bug, although I was finally able to add some "foobar" string to the already bogus web-output. Any help would be appreciated. BTW: * where is the bug-tracker for mailman3? * The documentation is really, well, close to non existent. Personally, I think the name of the URL "read-the-docs" is almost cynical. Guess I give up on it, it just does not seem to be ready for production. This was (following the docker stuff at githb) with Pythong3: mailman==3.1.0 mailman-hyperkitty==1.1.0 Python2: mailmanclient==3.1.0 postorius==1.1.0 hyperkitty==1.1.1 django-mailman3==1.1.0 Here I realize a slight version difference between the hyperkitty stuff. But this is a bug in postorius. So what. Thanks for any help, cheers Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

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Acceptable aliases defaults to []
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 30, 2017

Aug. 30, 2017

* Docker-mail 0.1.1 * Mailman 3.1 * Postorius 1.1.1 * Hyperkitty 1.1.1 Minor issues: Settings -> Message Acceptance -> Acceptable aliases has a default of [] resulting in "An error occured: [u'[]']" when saving. This fiend should be empty by default or at least accept the default when saving. To me the description right under the Acceptable aliases field is not user friendly. It doesn't explain the purpose of the field, but is meant for the Mailman sysadmin, not the list admin who can't be expected to understand this. A much better description would be the ones used for MM2: * http://www.list.org/mailman-admin/node23.html * https://wiki.list.org/DOC/What%20does%20%22message%20has%20implicit%20desti… On a second note: Where I can change the field and message descriptions in MM3, like the /usr/lib/mailman/messages/[sprog]/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po in MM2? -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk<mailto:her@adm.ku.dk>> Copenhagen, Danmark

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Moving mm2 mail archives to mm3
by Tom Browder Aug. 29, 2017

Aug. 29, 2017

Is there any way to move my old mm2 archives to mm3? Thanks. -Tom

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Only first message displayed... sometimes
by Cameron Smith Aug. 28, 2017

Aug. 28, 2017

(With the hope that someone on the list can help me diagnose this problem, I’m posting a copy of the HyperKitty issue that I opened a few days ago: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/151.) Testing MailMan3, installed using the Docker containers 0.1.1 (with HyperKitty 1.1.1): I have two lists with several discussions in each. The participants/comments stats for all discussions show multiple participants and multiple comments. (Note that the numbers are wrong, as discussed in #149.) However, when I open a discussion, some of them only display the first message. Others display all messages, one displays only some, but not all, of the messages. In one case, the discussion showed the top two messages, but when a new message was added, it briefly showed and then it and the second message suddenly disappeared, leaving only the first message. In another case, the discussion only showed the top message, but then, for no apparent reason, the rest of the messages appeared. —— I decided to start all over, removing the Docker containers and images, as well as the existing database... all gone. With the newly created system and database, I created two new lists and three member-subscribers. I then created new threads and added several messages to the new threads. The messages came from all three of the members and were entered via email and HyperKitty. One thread was created from within HyperKitty. All of the newly created threads are displaying the same behaviour: all of the subscribers received, via email, all of the messages, but only the first message of each thread is displayed in HyperKitty. Suggestions for how to trace/diagnose the problem would be appreciated. Cameron Smith

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Re: Which documentation to follow for installation
by Ruben Ibanez Aug. 28, 2017

Aug. 28, 2017

Hi Abhilash, Finally we decided to install Mailman through the docker images provided by you (https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman) The deployment was very quick, and it works flawlessly, so we will keep this solution. On the side I will try to deploy Mailman 3 through its independent modules, just for fun :) Many thanks! Cheers, R. From: "Abhilash Raj" <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> To: "Ruben Ibanez" <ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int> Cc: "mailman-users" <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:25:34 PM Subject: Re: [MM3-users] Which documentation to follow for installation On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:50:39 +0200 (CEST) Ruben Ibanez <ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int> wrote: > Hi Abhilash, > > Thanks for your reply. > > The point is, I think I'm missing something. I'm just a sysadmin who wants to deploy Mailman 3.x to be used for an operational environment, like any other software. Is this software actually ready for that? There are production environments running Mailman 3.1 right now if that is your questions, see https://lists.mailman3.org. Although, I guess you already saw that when subscribing to this list ;) > Of course, I'm not asking for .rpm, .deb, etc... because I understand that's > quite complex, but I tried it following all available guides, including the > Contributor's Guide, and it seems impossible to get it running at the first > time (or just to get it running) without getting crazy or fixing lots of > unexpected errors during installation. It would be helpful if you send in those errors here. It will help us debug your problem and also improve the guide for the people using it in future. One small problem about the configuration, off the top of my head, can cause some problems in the "Mailman Suite Installation" Guide[1]. I have that on my todo to fix. But, apart from that everything else should work! [1]: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html You would have to do some additional configuration for the web frontend to work and for the mail servers to talk to Mailman and Frontend separately, both of which is also mentioned in the documentation under "Configuring Mailman Core" and "Configure Web Frontend". Contributor's guide is not focused on deploying but just setting it up locally to play with and modify the source itself. > Have you tried to deploy Mailman 3.x strictly following the documentation? I think people have used it in past to successfully deploy Mailman 3.x, but without looking at the errors you are facing I don't have any clue as to why it doesn't work for you! > > By the way, many thanks for your hard work! > > Cheers, > RI > > > From: "Abhilash Raj" <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> > To: ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int > Cc: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:55:20 AM > Subject: Re: [MM3-users] Which documentation to follow for installation > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 09:40:37 -0000 > ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm trying to deploy Mailman 3.1, but it seems there isn't a clear place to > > look for documentation. I found two different sites: > > > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ > > Both of the above are actually latest documentation, > > docs.mailman3.org should be the one to look for installations guidelines for > the entire Mailman 3.x Suite, > > mailman.readthedocs.io is the documentation of Mailman 3 Core, which handles > the mail. > > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html > > This should be the best place to start, be sure to look at the Pre-Installation > Guide if you are new to the Python ecosystem. > > > > > Do you know which one should be followed? Both at the same time? I find it > > quite unclear... and this installation will be for an operational environment. > > > > Also, there are some (official?...) docker images, but all images are for > > mailman 3.0 but not mailman 3.1, and of course updates are not guaranteed. > > It is meant for Mailman 3.X series and is maintained by me. It currently > includes the latest releases for all the Mailman's sub-projects, also Mailman > 3.1. > > > Hope that helps! > > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email.

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Bounce processing
by Mark Ziranski Aug. 26, 2017

Aug. 26, 2017

Hello, I read that mailman3 supports 'bounce processing' but I do not know how to configure it. I want to delete members automatically from a mailing list if the delivery has failed after a certain time of attempts because his mailbox has been removed or his mail server has been shutdown etc. There is also the case that an users mailbox is full (mailbox limit exceeded). Is possible to deal with this case too? Thanks.

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HyperKitty misreporting statistics
by Cameron Smith Aug. 24, 2017

Aug. 24, 2017

Mailman 3, container images 0.1.1 HyperKitty 1.1.1 is showing incorrect numbers for the number of participants and the number of discussions. (All messages referred to below were submitted in August.) In one list, I have two threads. In one thread, I have three messages, each from a different email address, all submitted via email (as opposed to replying from within HyperKitty). The month page (clicking on “August”) of that list however, shows that thread as having one participant and no messages. Opening the list shows the same stats: “1 participants”, “0 comments”; all three messages are displayed. The other thread in the same list also shows one participant and no messages; it has two messages in it, one submitted via email, the other submitted via HyperKitty by a different subscriber. Opening the list shows both messages. The front page of that list shows zero participants and two discussions. A second list also has two threads with three email-submitted messages from different addresses. The monthly stats show one thread as having one participant and one message, the other as having one participant and zero messages. The front page shows one participant and one discussion. Cameron Smith

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Users, members, accounts and subscribers
by Cameron Smith Aug. 24, 2017

Aug. 24, 2017

Oh my! In an attempt to introduce a friend to MailMan3, I had her subscribe to a couple of lists that I set up and we exchanged a few messages via the email interface. Then I introduced her to the web interface and we were both confused when she could not log-in/sign-in and was told that her email address was not recognized. It was only later that I realized that while she was a subscriber, she hadn’t yet signed up for an account. What is the point of “accounts"? Why can someone become a subscriber, but not have an account? I find the user/member/subscriber explanation at http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/architecture.html to be very confusing. Cameron Smith

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Setting default Mailman admin (Django superuser) password in Docker-mailman
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 23, 2017

Aug. 23, 2017

I just upgraded to Docker-mailman 0.1.1 and prior to that for some reason I had to somewhat start over, deleting my database. At both on my first and second attempt I wondered what the Django admin password would be. According to https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/ and https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/blob/master/web/README.md, setting MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER and MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL in docker-compose.yaml will create a username for the admin user by default, but it doesn't mentioning setting a variable for the password. Creating a superuser using docker exec -it mailman-web python manage.py createsuperuser would normally request the password for the user indicated, but user "mailman" has already been registred. So to get to know the superuser password, I reset it using https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6358030/how-to-reset-django-admin-passw…. Why don't the installation guide on https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/ mention anything about how to set the password in the docker-compose.yaml file? -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk<mailto:her@adm.ku.dk>> Copenhagen, Danmark

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Possible bug in Mailman 3.1 (Docker-mailman 0.1)
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 21, 2017

Aug. 21, 2017

Mailman 3.1, docker-mailman 0.1 While I was trying to automate distribution of the files in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains I found what I think must be a bug. Adding a new mail list (or deleting one) _does_ update the Postfix files /opt/mailman/core/var/data/ ,but adding a new mail domain does not. This is OK. But deleting a mail domain that have lists associated to it * does not issue a warning other than "Are you sure you want to permanently delete this domain?" which is not different from deleting mail domains without lists associated to it. * the associated lists disappears both from the web interface Lists view and from the output of the "docker exec -it mailman-core mailman lists" command * the files in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/ is not updated even the lists is being deleted. 1. Deleting a mail domain with associated lists should issue a warning that it has lists associated to it. 2. The files in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/ should be updated according to the deleted lists / domains. 3. Actually I think it should be impossible to accidentally delete a mail domain with lists associated to it. Regards Henrik Rasmussen

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Re: Which documentation to follow for installation
by Ruben Ibanez Aug. 20, 2017

Aug. 20, 2017

Hi Abhilash, Thanks for your reply. The point is, I think I'm missing something. I'm just a sysadmin who wants to deploy Mailman 3.x to be used for an operational environment, like any other software. Is this software actually ready for that? Of course, I'm not asking for .rpm, .deb, etc... because I understand that's quite complex, but I tried it following all available guides, including the Contributor's Guide, and it seems impossible to get it running at the first time (or just to get it running) without getting crazy or fixing lots of unexpected errors during installation. Have you tried to deploy Mailman 3.x strictly following the documentation? By the way, many thanks for your hard work! Cheers, RI From: "Abhilash Raj" <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> To: ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int Cc: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:55:20 AM Subject: Re: [MM3-users] Which documentation to follow for installation On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 09:40:37 -0000 ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm trying to deploy Mailman 3.1, but it seems there isn't a clear place to > look for documentation. I found two different sites: > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ Both of the above are actually latest documentation, docs.mailman3.org should be the one to look for installations guidelines for the entire Mailman 3.x Suite, mailman.readthedocs.io is the documentation of Mailman 3 Core, which handles the mail. http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html This should be the best place to start, be sure to look at the Pre-Installation Guide if you are new to the Python ecosystem. > > Do you know which one should be followed? Both at the same time? I find it > quite unclear... and this installation will be for an operational environment. > > Also, there are some (official?...) docker images, but all images are for > mailman 3.0 but not mailman 3.1, and of course updates are not guaranteed. It is meant for Mailman 3.X series and is maintained by me. It currently includes the latest releases for all the Mailman's sub-projects, also Mailman 3.1. Hope that helps! -- thanks, Abhilash Raj This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email.

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Which documentation to follow for installation
by ribanez＠sciops.esa.int Aug. 19, 2017

Aug. 19, 2017

Hi everyone, I'm trying to deploy Mailman 3.1, but it seems there isn't a clear place to look for documentation. I found two different sites: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ Do you know which one should be followed? Both at the same time? I find it quite unclear... and this installation will be for an operational environment. Also, there are some (official?...) docker images, but all images are for mailman 3.0 but not mailman 3.1, and of course updates are not guaranteed. Thanks in advance! Regards, ribanez

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Issues with starting mailman 3 outside of a virtualenv
by Leon Aug. 16, 2017

Aug. 16, 2017

Hello, I wonder if this issue(https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/3) was fixed? I try to set up a mailing list on aws ec2(ubuntu). In the instruction( http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html) it doesn't require to install mailman in a virtual env. However, when I tried to run `mailman start`, it produces `/usr/bin/python3: can't open file '/usr/bin/master': [Errno 2] No such file or directory`. -- Best wishes, Leon

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Mailman3 on FreeBSD
by John Poltorak Aug. 14, 2017

Aug. 14, 2017

I'm trying to install Mailman3 on FreeBSD using http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html The install runs but 'mailman info' returns errors. Can anyone suggest where I should look to get this sorted out?

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Postgresql
by John Poltorak Aug. 13, 2017

Aug. 13, 2017

What is involved in setting up Postgres to store Mailman msgs?

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Mailman home
by John Poltorak Aug. 13, 2017

Aug. 13, 2017

I'm still in my early stages of getting Mailman 3 up and running, and am still not sure how and where it should be installed, but what I've noticed is that the Mailman subdirectory tree gets install in the current directory when running 'mailman list'... Is that would should happen?

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hyperkitty won't list more than 5 posts and shows empty grey Activity Summary box
by Cyprian Laskowski Aug. 11, 2017

Aug. 11, 2017

Hi, On our new installation of Mailman 3, which seems to be otherwise working fine (thanks!), the "More..." link doesn't work, such that the list continues to only show 5 posts, even though it's clear that hyperkitty is aware of more (if I click on August, for example). Also, nothing is shown in the grey box under Activity Summary (the <svg class="chart-data"> element), although I'm not sure what's supposed to be shown there. The public archived list is here: http://seznami.cjvt.si/hyperkitty/list/test@seznami.cjvt.si/. I'd appreciate any pointers. Regards, Cyprian

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Mailman3 on FreeBSD
by John Poltorak Aug. 11, 2017

Aug. 11, 2017

Has anyone managed to install Mailman 3 on FreeBSD?

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Telling Mailman/Hyperkitty where sass is
by Erin Justice Aug. 11, 2017

Aug. 11, 2017

Hi all, Another issue that's cropped up when I am trying to run Mailman 3 on apache. I've downloaded and installed Mailman core, Django, Postorius & Hyperkitty. I'm using the mailman-suite django project from https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master>. When I run the site using Django's development server everything works. However when I run the site from apache it's not finding sass. Specifically I'm getting errors like: FilterError at /accounts/login/ /bin/sh: sass: command not found I triple checked that sass is installed which sass /Applications/MAMP/Library/bin/sass /Applications/MAMP/Library/bin/ is in $PATH when I checked that and I was thinking that it maybe wasn't getting to python properly. However pprint(sys.path) contains the same items whether I start the site from the dev server or apache. Any pointers would be appreciated. -Erin

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Mailman container images v0.1.1
by Abhilash Raj Aug. 10, 2017

Aug. 10, 2017

Hi All, Version 0.1.1[1] of the container images are now available for download. There are several new changes that make working with the container easier. Please have a look at the release notes[1] for upgrading to this version. Most notable changes are: * Now you MUST specify SECRET_KEY environment variable that Django uses. The default value was removed to make sure people set a different value for each installation * Hyperkitty has been updated to latest 1.1.1 release * Mailman-web image has been moved to alpine 3.6 base image form Debain The NEWS[2] contains an exhaustive list of all the changes that has gone into this release. Thanks to all the contributors who contributed patches and reported issues for this new release! [1]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/releases/tag/v0.1.1 [2]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/NEWS.html -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Typo in List Creation screen
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 10, 2017

Aug. 10, 2017

There is a typo in the list creation screen in Mailman 3. The owner's address field says "Inital list owner address", which should be "Initial" with an extra 'i'. Regards Henrik Rasmussen

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Setup Mailman 3 using Apache/Mod_WSGI
by Erin Justice Aug. 8, 2017

Aug. 8, 2017

Hi all, I'm trying to setup Mailman 3 to run using apache. I've downloaded and installed mailman core, django, Postorius & Hyperkitty I'm using the mailman-suite django project from https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master>. When I run the site using Django's development server everything works. However I've been unsuccessful in getting the site to run via apache w/ Mod_WSGI. Note: I have a number of virtual hosts setup for various PHP sites and am trying to add the mailman install as another virtual host. I'm using MAMP for managing my website setup on my local machine. The addition to the virtual hosts file is: <VirtualHost *:80> #Mailman3 stuff ServerName mailman.local Alias /static /Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/static <Directory "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/static"> Order deny,allow Allow from all </Directory> WSGIScriptAlias / /Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py <Directory "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project"> <Files wsgi.py> Order deny,allow Allow from all </Files> </Directory> </VirtualHost> I also have the following in my https.conf. WSGIPythonPath /Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/ The 500 and related Errors I'm getting in Apache are: [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Create interpreter 'mailman.local|'. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Adding '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/' to path. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [info] [client ::1] mod_wsgi (pid=80044, process='', application='mailman.local|'): Loading WSGI script '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py'. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Target WSGI script '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py' cannot be loaded as Python module. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Exception occurred processing WSGI script '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py'. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] Traceback (most recent call last): [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py", line 38, in <module> [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] application = get_wsgi_application() [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/wsgi.py", line 13, in get_wsgi_application [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] django.setup(set_prefix=False) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 22, in setup [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] configure_logging(settings.LOGGING_CONFIG, settings.LOGGING) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 56, in __getattr__ [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] self._setup(name) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 41, in _setup [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 110, in __init__ [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] __import__(name) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] ImportError: No module named settings Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, -Erin Justice

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Docker, Mailman 3, templates and list user accounts
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 8, 2017

Aug. 8, 2017

I used Docker to installed Mailman 3. The top header of the web interface says "Example.Com" while linking to the correct site URL (I believe coming from SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN). In a post[1], Mark Sapiro referred to the template system in Mailman 3 by pointing out that "a custom template can be put in var/templates/site/en/welcome.txt or var/templates/domains/example.com/en/welcome.txt<http://var/templates/domains/example.com/en/welcome.txt> or var/templates/lists/listname.example.com/en/welcome.txt<http://var/templates/lists/listname.example.com/en/welcome.txt> where var is Mailman's configured var_dir". I believe this refers to the mail templates. 1) Where do I change the similar template system, for the web interface, without breaking a laver upgrade? 2) How do I change the site name in the top of the web interface on Mailman 3 to my subside and ? [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… The Mailman command in Mailman Core doesn't seem to have a command for listing the accounts users have created by using Sign up in the web interface, so I believe that accounts may be created in the webinterface. Is there similar commands for the web interface like the mailman commands for the Mailman core? Regards, Henrik Rasmussen

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config incoming email in my domain cpanel
by Rafael Mora Aug. 4, 2017

Aug. 4, 2017

Hello, I created a test list called: testlist1(a)labbrands.com How do I do in order to redirect the incoming emails to that direction to my server with MM3 ?? Thanks -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

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Installing mailman 3
by Rafael Mora Aug. 2, 2017

Aug. 2, 2017

Hello, I want to install mailman 3 in a centos 7 virtual machine. I'm following these steps and I cannot make it work: 1. `cd ~` 2. `git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman.git` 3. `cd mailman` 4. `virtualenv -p python3 venv` 5. `source venv/bin/activate` 6. `python setup.py develop` 7. I am pretty sure this setup command will place a configuration file into `~/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg`. Edit this file. https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/config/docs/config.html 8. `mailman info` can confirm which configuration file is in use 9. `mailman start` will start up Mailman 3 Core. This is what the parent background process command looks like in `ps -ef`: `/home/ubuntu/mailman/venv/bin/python /home/ubuntu/mailman/venv/bin/master -C /home/ubuntu/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg` I also tried the steps on the website https://wiki.list.org/DEV/SetupDevEnvironment but it doesn't work either What do you suggest? This is what I get from console: [root@localhost ~]# cd dev/ [root@localhost dev]# cd mailman/ [root@localhost mailman]# source venv3/bin/activate (venv3) [root@localhost mailman]# cd mailman/ (venv3) [root@localhost mailman]# ls conf.py COPYING data README.rst src unittest.cfg contrib coverage.ini MANIFEST.in setup.cfg template.py copybump.py cron port_me setup.py tox.ini (venv3) [root@localhost mailman]# cd .. (venv3) [root@localhost mailman]# mailman start Starting Mailman's master runner /root/dev/mailman/venv3/bin/python: can't open file '/sbin/master': [Errno 2] No such file or directory (venv3) [root@localhost mailman]# Thank you -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

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Ready to try installation: use "normal" install or docker.
by Tom Browder Aug. 1, 2017

Aug. 1, 2017

The mm3 installation instructions have been somewhat fluid over the development period, butI'm finally ready to dig in and give it a shot and need some last-minute advice. I'm leaning toward installing using the docker method but I would appreciate any recent thoughts about which method to choose. Thanks so much to the MM3 dev team! Best, -Tom

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LMTP runner keeps crashing
by Mark Lindsay Aug. 1, 2017

Aug. 1, 2017

Hl mailman-users! The LMTP runner on my Mailman 3 install (3.1.0b4) has started silently crashing. The parent process and all of the other runners stay up. Nothing interesting seems to be written to the logs. I've been finding out about it when exim4 (running on the same server) starts sending out "retry timeout exceeded" bounce emails to list participants: From: Mail Delivery System [mailto:Mailer-Daemon@lists.mysite.org] > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:39 PM > To: some_participant(a)mysite.org > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > listname(a)lists.mysite.org > retry timeout exceeded > Action: failed > Final-Recipient: rfc822;listname(a)lists.mysite.org > Status: 5.0.0 After hearing about the bounces from participants, I then SSH to the lists server and attempt to `telnet localhost 8024` but get no response. The LMTP runner is not listed in `ps -ef`. After restarting all of mailman (`mailman stop; mailman start`) I get the `220` response from LMTP on port 8024. I see the LMTP runner in `ps -ef`. Does anyone have any ideas on how I could start debugging this? Thank you, Mark

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Installation guide
by Loring July 31, 2017

July 31, 2017

So I am looking to install the latest mailman 3, however I can find no complete guide as to how to install it. I have found some pages for instance http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/install.html# This however gives me no instructions on how to install mailman3.x, can anyone point me in the righ direction please. -- Richmond Loring rloring(a)bnl.gov Advanced Systems Engineer

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MM3 statistics
by Tom Browder July 28, 2017

July 28, 2017

Are there any plugins or programs for mm3 statistics? Thanks. -Tom

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Mailman 3 Status Update Please?
by ddw David Wilson July 26, 2017

July 26, 2017

Mailman 3 Status Update Please I have been following the progress and difficulties with great interest as many struggle to implement the new version of the great Mailman 3 list-server software. Last year about this time I posed some questions regarding the current development status and recognize that many additional problems seem to get in the way of actually working on long term big picture issues. From my perspective of being an senior (ie overaged) person desirous of implementing fully-featured, capable, scalable, reliable, secure applications such as Mailman, I am convinced that I am thoroughly over my head. From my limited perspective, it would seem to me that a 'nice to have' system would incorporate the following. 1. An open container standard configurable system install, compatible with different web & mail servers, DB utilities, etc; 2. Python 3 version Django utilities for archiving and mail list name management; 3. A design/plan from an inside expert perspective stating costs, time and resources to implement the plan, incorporating crowdfunding to pay for project. 4. As a backup incentive to the crowdfunding plan might be the offer of an expert to set up a system for each significant amount donated, say US$1,000, such as might be accomplished by an SSL session on the target computer/server after the user has specified all necessary detail as required in a template. I am sure that the program author and other major contributors could greatly enhance this list. In summary, I guess what I am requesting is an overview forecast by half year period and out for the next two years? Please share the big picture? Thank you in advance and best regards. Dave Wilson

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MM3.1 templates
by Matt Richards July 20, 2017

July 20, 2017

I've managed, to setup MM3.1 using the docker images from http://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman. I would like to start customizing the templates MM3.1 uses for the footer and confirmation emails. Is there any mailman site admin or list admin documentation on how to customize email templates in MM3.1? I've found this template doc at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/tree/master/src/mailman/rest/docs, but I'm not clear how this works.. and it appears postorius doesn't have template support yet? I am new to python and django.. -- --Matt

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AH01102: error reading status line from remote server 172.19.199.3:8000
by Henrik Rasmussen July 20, 2017

July 20, 2017

I've just installed Mailman 3.1 on RHEL7 (Docker-Mailman3) and to get the right CSS layout I installed Apache on the Mailman server outside Docker, as advised by Abhilash Raj and Alexander Klotz. My Mailman server is on a secured network and the https connection from Internet will be handled by proxy servers, so I will be using http (port 80) between proxy-servers and Mailman server. But when I sign in (currently via an SSH tunnel to the Mailman server from my workstation) I get "Internal error: [client ::1:41912] AH01102: error reading status line from remote server 172.19.199.3:8000, referer: http://localhost/accounts/login/?next=%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2F" If I type a wrong password, I am just warned about that, so the problem appears when log in is accepted. I expect that it is because I connect to localhost:80 through SSH tunnel. What do I miss in my Apache configuration on the Mailman server to avoid this problem? <VirtualHost *:80> ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/error_log LogLevel warn CustomLog /var/log/httpd/access_log combined ServerAdmin root(a)example.foo ServerName list.foo.bar Alias /static /opt/mailman/web/static Alias /favicon.ico /opt/mailman/web/static/hyperkitty/img/favicon.ico ProxyPassMatch ^/static/.* ! ProxyPass / http://172.19.199.3:8000/ ProxyPassReverse / http://172.19.199.3:8000/ <Directory /> Allow from all Require all granted </Directory> <Directory /opt/mailman/web/static/hyperkitty/img/> Allow from all Require all granted </Directory> # ssl config here ... </VirtualHost> Thanks, Henrik Rasmussen

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List of "site admin" commands in Mailman 3.1 docker-mailman
by Henrik Rasmussen July 18, 2017

July 18, 2017

I am new to all of Python, Django, Docker, Docker-compose and everything else used by docker-mailman. I have managed to get a webinterface of Mailman 3.1, I installed using Docker and Docker-Compose from github.com/maxking/docker-mailman, but my config is still bogues (probably just my Apache-config). I'm quite confused about Mailman 3 documentation regarding those commands the site admin would do in Mailman 2 like list_members, config_list -o etc.)., and I have been trying to figure out what documentation regards the development of Mailman 3, what regards the final version 3.1 and what I am supposed to do regarding Docker. 1) Should I enter the container using "docker exec -it mailman-web bash" and run "python" in order to get a python prompt, and from there run commands like those documented at mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/control.html ?. 2) Where do I define the what was previously known as the site admin user and site admin e-mail? On another note: Is it a setting in the mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list setup that make each of my postings to the list come back with the note "This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to be."? Thanks Henrik Rasmussen

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Re: Found error in docker-container
by Abhilash Raj July 17, 2017

July 17, 2017

Hi Alex, On Wed, Jul 5, 2017, at 03:21 AM, Alexander Klotz wrote: > Hi, > > one of our developers wanted to point out an error he found in mailman > 3.1, docker container maxking/mailman-core-0.1 > > The entries in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp are not set > correctly, example: > > /^testlist(a)mailman\.example\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2# IP > Address of mailman-core container]:8024 > > this actually should look like this: > > /^testlist(a)mailman\.example\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 Can you send a copy of your Mailman configuration that you added at `/opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg`? I think this is mostly because the configuration parser doesn't understand the in-line comments. So, if you are using the configuration exactly as it is mentioned in the documentation, it could be the cause of this problem. Solution to that would be to just remove all the in-line comments. [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 172.19.199.2 # IP Address of mailman-core container lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: 172.19.199.1 # IP Address of host where postfix is. smtp_port: 25 configuration: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg Like the two comments seen in the configuration above. I will update the documentation too so that others don't get caught in something like this. Thanks! -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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postfix, dovecot and MM3
by Matt Richards July 15, 2017

July 15, 2017

This is a bit of a lengthy post, but I wanted to make sure I had enough detail to document the problem I'm experiencing. The quick summary is, I'm having a problem with postfix, dovecot and mailman3.. routing Problem: Postfix mail routing is mostly working correctly with the execpetion of handling test-confirm+157fcaf78907a2bbf21b36aaf349386e09e801a8(a)example.com emails. As you can see below in my postfix config, I have defined recipient_delimiter.. I'm not sure what else is going wrong.. For example, if I email test-confirm(a)example.com, the mail will route over to MM correctly as postfix is able to find this exact email address in the postfix_lmtp transport file. However, if I reply to a mm confirmaion email, test-confirm+157fcaf78907a2bbf21b36aaf349386e09e801a8(a)example.com, postfix will fail to deliver the email correctly due postfix trying to lookup the test-confirm(a)example.com in dovcot's virtual mailbox tables. I hope this is enough information... My research seems to indicate I might need to change something with virtual_alias_maps, however from my testing, changing this setting to include MM3's geneated postfix_lmtp file, it'll cause more problems.. I've also considered using a sub-domain, for example lists.example.com instead of my primary domain for mm3, this may fix a lot of my issues. Setup overview: Integrated mailcow-dockerized (https://github.com/andryyy/mailcow-dockerized) & docker-mailman (https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman) - all I have done is merged the containers from the docker-mailman docker-compose.yml into mailcow's docker-compose.yml - updated the network settings for docker-mailman to use mailcow's internal network if needed, I can provide my docker-compose file. mx1.example.com = An internal eMail firewall and security server Below is the reject log from postfix: Jul 15 18:11:22 mx10 postfix/smtpd[418]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mx1.example.com[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxxx]: 550 5.1.1 < test-confirm+157fcaf78907a2bbf21b36aaf349386e09e801a8(a)example.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table; from=< xxxx(a)gmail.com> to=< test-confirm+157fcaf78907a2bbf21b36aaf349386e09e801a8(a)example.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mx1.example.com> Below is my postfix configs: ##Postfix main.cnf biff = no append_dot_mydomain = no smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/mail/cert.pem smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/mail/key.pem smtpd_use_tls=yes smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases relayhost = [mx1.example.com]:25 mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 10.0.0.0/8 172.16.0.0/12 192.168.0.0/16 [fd4d:6169:6c63:6f77::]/64 mailbox_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all bounce_queue_lifetime = 1d broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes disable_vrfy_command = yes maximal_backoff_time = 1800s maximal_queue_lifetime = 1d message_size_limit = 26214400 milter_default_action = accept milter_protocol = 6 minimal_backoff_time = 300s plaintext_reject_code = 550 postscreen_access_list = permit_mynetworks, cidr:/opt/postfix/conf/postscreen_access.cidr, tcp:127.0.0.1:10027 postscreen_bare_newline_enable = no postscreen_blacklist_action = drop postscreen_cache_cleanup_interval = 24h postscreen_cache_map = proxy:btree:$data_directory/postscreen_cache postscreen_dnsbl_action = enforce postscreen_dnsbl_sites = b.barracudacentral.org=127.0.0.2*7 dnsbl.inps.de=127.0.0.2*7 bl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.2*5 bl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.[10;11;12]*4 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.10*8 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.5*6 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.7*3 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.8*2 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.6*2 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.9*2 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.[10;11]*8 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.[4..7]*6 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.3*4 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.2*3 hostkarma.junkemailfilter.com=127.0.0.2*3 hostkarma.junkemailfilter.com=127.0.0.4*1 hostkarma.junkemailfilter.com=127.0.1.2*1 wl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.[18;19;20]*-2 hostkarma.junkemailfilter.com=127.0.0.1*-2 postscreen_dnsbl_threshold = 8 postscreen_dnsbl_ttl = 5m postscreen_greet_action = enforce postscreen_greet_banner = $smtpd_banner postscreen_greet_ttl = 2d postscreen_greet_wait = 3s postscreen_non_smtp_command_enable = no postscreen_pipelining_enable = no proxy_read_maps = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_sender_acl.cf, proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_tls_enforce_out_policy.cf, proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_tls_enforce_in_policy.cf, $local_recipient_maps $mydestination $virtual_alias_maps $virtual_alias_domains $virtual_mailbox_maps $virtual_mailbox_domains $relay_recipient_maps $relay_domains $canonical_maps $sender_canonical_maps $recipient_canonical_maps $relocated_maps $transport_maps $mynetworks $smtpd_sender_login_maps queue_run_delay = 300s relay_domains = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_relay_domain_maps.cf relay_recipient_maps = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_relay_recipient_maps.cf sender_dependent_default_transport_maps = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_tls_enforce_out_policy.cf smtp_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt smtp_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/mail/cert.pem smtp_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/mail/key.pem smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_dns_support_level = dnssec smtp_tls_security_level = dane smtpd_data_restrictions = reject_unauth_pipelining, permit smtpd_delay_reject = yes smtpd_error_sleep_time = 10s smtpd_hard_error_limit = ${stress?1}${stress:5} smtpd_helo_required = yes smtpd_proxy_timeout = 600s smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, check_recipient_access proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_tls_enforce_in_policy.cf, reject_invalid_helo_hostname, reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname, reject_unauth_destination smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header = yes smtpd_sasl_path = inet:dovecot:10001 smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot smtpd_sender_login_maps = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_sender_acl.cf smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_authenticated_sender_login_mismatch, permit_mynetworks, reject_sender_login_mismatch, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unlisted_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain smtpd_soft_error_limit = 3 smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes smtpd_tls_dh1024_param_file = /etc/ssl/mail/dhparams.pem smtpd_tls_eecdh_grade = strong smtpd_tls_exclude_ciphers = ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA, RC4, aNULL smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 smtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 lmtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 lmtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 smtpd_tls_mandatory_ciphers = high smtpd_tls_security_level = may tls_ssl_options = NO_COMPRESSION tls_high_cipherlist = EDH+CAMELLIA:EDH+aRSA:EECDH+aRSA+AESGCM:EECDH+aRSA+SHA256:EECDH:+CAMELLIA128:+AES128:+SSLv3:!aNULL:!eNULL:!LOW:!3DES:!MD5:!EXP:!PSK:!DSS:!RC4:!SEED:!IDEA:!ECDSA:kEDH:CAMELLIA128-SHA:AES128-SHA transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_spamalias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.cf virtual_gid_maps = static:5000 virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail/ virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_minimum_uid = 104 virtual_transport = lmtp:inet:dovecot:24 virtual_uid_maps = static:5000 smtpd_milters = inet:rspamd:9900 non_smtpd_milters = inet:rspamd:9900 milter_mail_macros = i {mail_addr} {client_addr} {client_name} {auth_authen} mydestination = localhost.localdomain, localhost #content_filter=zeyple # Prefere IPv4, useful for v4-only envs smtp_address_preference = ipv4 smtp_header_checks = pcre:/opt/postfix/conf/mailcow_anonymize_headers.pcre unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no Note: I've replaced my real domain name with example.com, as I don't wish to have my server information publicly archived for spam and security reasons. I have also masked any external IP addreses. I'm also aware my email setup is a bit more complicated than the usual as I have an email firewall/security server in the mix. I've tried my best to accurately describe what I have configured. If you need any actual logs or configs, please contact me directly off this list for this information. -- --Matt

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Does hyperkitty show JPEGs in line and what about attachments?
by Jason Glazer July 13, 2017

July 13, 2017

I run several MailMan 2.1 mailing lists and some subscribers are frustrated by the way pipermail deals with JPEGs that are embedded in the messages and also with how attachments are handled. Does hyperkitty in Mailman 3.1 do better on these issues. Assuming this message gets archived, I am going to try embedding a small picture right here: Hopefully that shows up in the archive. I won't add an attachment because the list may not allow it but I'm curious how those are handled. Thanks Jason -- Jason Glazer, P.E., BEMP, GARD Analytics, 90.1 ECB chair, 209 chair Admin for onebuilding.org building performance mailing lists

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Docker Mailman3 installation frustration
by ccsmith＠cetsi.com July 13, 2017

July 13, 2017

I've been working on installing Mailman3 for several weeks now, with limited success. I have tried various installation methods following instructions on numerous different web pages. My experience has been that the instructions are often conflicting and never complete. My best success has been with the Docker version, so that's what I'm going to concentrate on here. I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 (under Citrix XenServer), with Apache httpd and postfix. Following the instructions on https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/, I did the following: * created the directories "/opt/mailman/core" and "/opt/mailman/web", * created "/opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg" and inserted the suggested [mta] directives, * inserted the "transport_maps", "local-recipient_maps", and "relay_domains" entries in the /etc/postfix/main.cf file, * created the necessary apache config files, * cloned "https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman", * ran "docker-compose up -d" At this point, I am able to connect with Postorius. All of the text and icons show up properly; all is well. It tells me (correctly) that "There are currently no mailing lists." When I click on the "Login" link at the top right, the "Sign In" page displays correctly. (Aside: Why do so many apps/sites have difficulty with choosing between "login" and "sign in" and, in fact, use both terms? It can really be off-putting to non-tech users... and me.) If I input an incorrect login, I receive (correctly) the message "The username and/or password you specified are not correct." However, if I input the correct sign-in, I receive: "Server Error (500)". Running "sudo docker exec -it mailman-web cat ../mailman-web-data/logs/mailmanweb.log" shows me: ERROR 2017-07-12 20:34:25,073 25 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 39, in inner response = get_response(request) ... more stuff ... File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/smtplib.py", line 747, in sendmail raise SMTPRecipientsRefused(senderrs) SMTPRecipientsRefused: {u'pacetechadmin(a)cetsi.com': (451, '4.3.0 <pacetechadmin(a)cetsi.com>: Temporary lookup failure')} On the Docker host (ubuntuServer2), /var/log/mail.log shows: Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: connect from unknown[172.19.199.3] Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains is unavailable. open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: table lookup problem Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains lookup failure Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains is unavailable. open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: table lookup problem Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains lookup failure Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[172.19.199.3]: 451 4.3.0 <pacetechadmin(a)cetsi.com>: Temporary lookup failure; from=<postorius(a)localhost.local> to=<pacetechadmin(a)cetsi.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mailman-web> Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: connect from unknown[172.19.199.3] Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains is unavailable. open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: table lookup problem Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains lookup failure Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp is unavailable. open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp lookup error for "root@localhost" Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: transport_maps lookup failure Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[172.19.199.3]: 451 4.3.0 <root@localhost>: Temporary lookup failure; from=<root(a)localhost.local> to=<root@localhost> proto=ESMTP helo=<mailman-web> Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: disconnect from unknown[172.19.199.3] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=0/1 rset=1 quit=1 commands=4/5 Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: lost connection after RSET from unknown[172.19.199.3] Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: disconnect from unknown[172.19.199.3] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=0/1 rset=1 commands=3/4 And /var/log/mail.err is filling up with: Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp: No such file or directory Any thoughts on what the problem is? Have I missed a step?

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Confirm on mass subscription
by David Krantz July 7, 2017

July 7, 2017

Hi, Is there a way of requiring all mass subscribed users to confirm their email adress? I have an use case where we have a current mail list but when moving it to mailman I for different reasons would like to confirm all subscribers. Some very shallow testing suggests that if I just add them using mass subscribe, they will not have to confirm at all. I have yet to upgrade to 3.1 but I will do so in due time. cheers // David

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Changing display name with "mailman withlist"
by Mark Ziranski July 5, 2017

July 5, 2017

Hello, I am looking for a way to change the display name of a mailing list on command line. As written in "mailman withlist --details" I have created a script named "change.py". When executing the script as written in the manual, I get the following error: (venv-3.5) [root@localhost mailman]# mailman withlist -r change example(a)example.org 'new display name' usage: mailman [-h] [-v] [-C CONFIG] {help,aliases,conf,create,digests,import21,info,inject,lists,members,qfile,remove,reopen,restart,shell,start,status,stop,unshunt,version,withlist} ... mailman: error: unrecognized arguments: new display name According to the manual it should be possible to pass arguments in withlist: mailman withlist [options] listname [args ...] while " mailman withlist -h" says: usage: mailman withlist [-h] [-i] [-r RUN] [--details] [LISTNAME] Mailman version: GNU Mailman 3.2.0a1 (La Villa Strangiato) Btw. I know that there is an interactive shell to execute the script but I need a solution that can be run in a shell script. Thank you.

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Problem with docker and css
by Alexander Klotz July 5, 2017

July 5, 2017

Hi everyone, we are experiencing some issues trying to run mailman3 on our server. First, when starting docker-compose up -d the mailman-web container is not started. The log shows: mailman-web | useradd: user 'mailman' already exists If we start the container with docker-compose up (without -d), all containers start accurately. Are there other files integrated / processed when starting docker-compose up with -d? Secondly, no css and javascript-elements, as well as images are embedded in the web surface. In the mailman-web log we can see they aren't found (Error 404), but trying with docker-compose exec -T mailman-web ls /opt/mailman-.../static/.../... they actually can be found. Can anybody tell me why these problems appear and how to solve them? Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks & Regards, Alex Klotz (culturebase editorial staff)

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Found error in docker-container
by Alexander Klotz July 5, 2017

July 5, 2017

Hi, one of our developers wanted to point out an error he found in mailman 3.1, docker container maxking/mailman-core-0.1 The entries in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp are not set correctly, example: /^testlist(a)mailman\.example\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2# IP Address of mailman-core container]:8024 this actually should look like this: /^testlist(a)mailman\.example\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 Regards, Alex

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REST API notes
by tlhackque＠yahoo.com June 29, 2017

June 29, 2017

As a beginner with the REST API, I found it necessary to read code and experiment to figure out how to get things done. There are a number of implementation choices that are unusual. There is some documentation in src/mailman/rest/docs. It's oriented toward Python and intermixes the mailman client & REST API, apparently trying to show equivalence. Here are some notes that may help others to avoid repeating my research. They reflect Mailman 3.1. Some reflect issues that I've opened, but I think it's worth knowing how things work today. I attempted to tie together some of pieces that are in the documentation - and note some things that aren't. I may have some things wrong, but this reflects my current understanding. (And client code.) The REST API has a hybrid interface: Requests are made with application/x-www-form-urlencoded POST, PUT, PATCH and delete http requests. Requests are also accepted as parameter strings. The responses are JSON. (This is rather surprising - one would expect JSON requests - and I hope someday they'll be accepted, as the split complicates clients. I suspect this evolved to simplify the initial Web GUI client (Postorious), but it precludes using standard JSON-in/JSON-out client libraries.) Error responses are often misidentified as content-type: application/json, but actually contain a text/plain error message. This isn't universally true; for example the 401 response actually IS JSON. A client has to guess and handle decoding exceptions. The API presents resources hierarchically, rooted at '/'. The top level resources include /users, /lists. /addresses, /domains, /system The next level is a resource id. There is a an id which is stable for the lifetime of an object, and a current name (which can be changed). For example, a list has a name like mylist(a)example.com, and a list_id of mylist.example.com. But if you change the list name, it becomes mynewname(a)example.net, while the list_id remains mylist.example.com. Lists are associated with "domains", which are the "domain part" of the list's address. That is, the part after the @. This is sometimes referred to as the "mail host", but there need not be a real host. Just something on the left side of a DNS MX record. Also, don't confuse the use of "mail host" with that of "SMTP Server", which is how Mailman sends mail. The domain is where Mailman expects to receive it. A fully qualified list name is the list name + domain - e.g. its posting address. One domain can (and usually does) support more than one list. If you delete the domain, all its lists go away too. A domain has to be created before you can create a list with an address in that domain. Resources are created with a POST to their top-level resource. To create a domain, post to /domains with mail_host => the domain, and (optionally) description => a description for the GUI. The response isn't JSON as one would expect. In fact, it's an empty application/json response with a 201 status. To create a list, one POSTs to /lists. This post takes a restricted set of parameters; in the case of a list, just its fqdn_listname, (and an optional style - which isn't well defined). The response isn't JSON as one would expect. The Location header of the response contains a URL of the new list. To configure the list, you have to follow up with a PUT or PATCH to that URL + /config This is where you can set the description, posting policy, etc. It's unrealistic to do a PUT; even if you're cloning another list, there's no programatic way to determine which attributes are writable. PATCH what you know... Members are associated with e-mail addresses - which belong to Users. You create a user by posting to /users with email => the email address, and optionally display_name => the name string. (A user can also be implicitly created by subscribing an e-mail address, but that gets confusing.) The e-mail address is the primary email address for the user. More later. Again, you get a Location header in the response, which you can use to PATCH /preferences to set delivery_status, etc. .These preferences are part of a hierarchy - many have a system default, a list default, the user default, and a subscription to that list value. You can find the User associated with a list by a GET of /addresses/address(a)example.net. This GET returns two URLs: user => the user owning this address, and self_link => the address object. Note also that there are both an email and original_email attribute. The latter preserves case. The former is used internally by Mailman as a resource key, etc. (Though exactly what happens if John(a)example.net and john(a)example.net both subscribe is unclear.) Once a list is configured, you can add members. This requires the list_id - which you don't (officially) have. So you do a GET on the list resource, to get the list_id. Then you can subscribe a member with list_id => (the list id), subscriber => email address. Optionally you can pre_verify/confirm/approve the member and/or add a display_name.. POST to /members. Again, you get a Location header back. You can't specify everything you might like. as a creation attribute. So you may have to PATCH the member to, for example, set the moderation_status. You may also need to PATCH the member /preferences if you want to set list-level delivery status, etc. Consider adding at least an owner when creating a list. One challenge is that almost everything requires multiple REST operations to set up. But REST (by definition) is stateless. So the best you can do is order operations & hope. The mailman client examples refer to transactions (e.g in users.rst, there is 'transaction.commit(); - but REST can't hold state. It does appear that the server uses DB transactions to ensure that any given REST operation is ACID, but the composite operations (e.g. create a list and set it's config) can not be Atomic. This is an architectural flaw in the API. Symbolic names (which are required) for attributes are in the src/mailman/interfaces/(class).py. What you can get/set comes from src/mailman/rest/(class).py.

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Some doc updates from Fedora install experience
by tlhackque＠yahoo.com June 26, 2017

June 26, 2017

Trying to get mailman3 setup round three. Some notes from a first timer that I hope will be of use. These are in order of experience, and unfiltered. I'm a bit confused about why you have a release that pip should be able to install, but the advice I get is to pretend I'm developing from git. But off we go: Following http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html: I'm using Fedora 25. Packaged Python is 2.7.13-2, 3.6.3-6, 2-setuptools 25.1.1-1, 2-virtualenv 15.0.3-2 nodejs-less 2.7.1-1 sassc 3.4.1-1 a) fedora now uses dnf rather than yum (and has for some time). Specify dnf install rather than yum install b) sassc is packaged - just add it to the end of the dnf install string. I'm using sendmail. Directly outbound. Inbound, a custom LMTP client. It is possible to setup sendmail to use LMTP for local delivery - but if you do, it's the ONLY local delivery (or you're into some serious sendmail configuration hacking). Most installations use procmail and/or pipes. I could probably extract a pipe -> lmtp script from my project - but it's Perl, not Python. The current install process assumes a lot of Python knowledge/interaction, which is a barrier to adoption. Documentation should note that the virtualenv commands create directories of those names (I'm not a Python person, so everything is a surprise.) To save typing, I defined: alias p0='[ -n "$_OLD_VIRTUAL_PATH" ] && deactivate;cd ~mailman3' alias p2='[ -n "$_OLD_VIRTUAL_PATH" ] && deactivate;cd ~/mailman3 && source venv-2.7/bin/activate' alias p3='[ -n "$_OLD_VIRTUAL_PATH" ] && deactivate;cd ~/mailman3 && source venv-3.5/bin/activate' I suggest using mailman3 as the top level in your examples, since there's also a mailman directory in the path, and mailman is easily confused with mailman/mailman Also, if you have mailman2 - or your distro has provision for it - 'mailman' has other semantics. (Including, but not limited to things like SeLinux contexts...) I got tracebacks when I got to the "mailman info" command. After some experimentation/digging, resolved with dnf install python3-dateutil This was confusing because Python/pip seemed to think dateutil was installed - perhaps it fell back to the Python2 version? mailman info works! >> You can edit your mailman.cfg file But which one? there's one in src/mailman/config and one in var/etc/mailman.cfg. Should specify. But var looks like the one to modify, the other. The suggestion to look at the one in src for doc isn't very helpful, there are virtually no comments. So, look at the schema. To get started, I set the following: [mailman] site_owner: admin(a)example.net [devmode] enabled: yes [mta] smtp_host: smtp.example.net smtp_port: 587 #smtp_user: #smtp_pass: lmtp_host: 192.168.148.19 lmtp_port: 8024 ### Note: LMTP needs security, preferably SSL.. Thiis is probably a bunch of config items that get fed into the Python library (e.g. use ssl, cert files (current openssl includes key w/cert, but often multiple certs - rsa + ecdsa) verify client, ca bundle, ca path, client ca.) Despite the list, these are all pass-through parameters, so should not be much work. Once you have SSL, a simple shared secret (e.g. password) can be used. Or (my preference) client verification (certificate). Maybe a proxy, but who needs another process to manage? FWIW, my MTA runs on a separate VM from the MM instance, so assuming "localhost" is secure doesn't work. It also doesn't work on a multiuser machine. mailman start got some things running. Telnet & LHLO wakes up LMTP! I guess I should try to setup my first list. More as it develops.

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Mailman 3 Container Images v0.1
by Abhilash Raj June 26, 2017

June 26, 2017

Hi Everyone, I have been working on containerizing Mailman 3 so that it becomes easier to test and try Mailman 3. There are two images in total: * maxking/mailman-core : This consists of Mailman Core and includes the plugin to enable the Hyperkitty Archiver. * maxking/mailman-web : This consists of a full Django installation and run the Mailman's Web UI components. It has Mailman Client, Postorius & Hyperkitty. The images are built from the Dockerfiles hosted on Github[3] in case you want to look at it. You can find most of the documentation about these images at https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/. The version of the internal components included in each image is available here[7]. The images are versioned and the process is documented[4], please have a look before you use them. Also, the images are signed and I encourage you to verify them before using. The process of how-to verify is also documented. Docker Compose is a tool written in Python makes is very easy to deploy connected-images and take the pain out of writing long long commands for spinning of containers. There is a sample `docker-compose.yml` file in the Github repository mentioned above which is kind-of tested to be able to spin off these images in vanilla condition (without any customization/configuration). You can report issues, comments or concerns in the Github repo[6]. [1]: https://hub.docker.com/r/maxking/mailman-core/ [2]: https://hub.docker.com/r/maxking/mailman-web/ [3]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman [4]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/#release [5]: http://semver.org/ [6]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues [7]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/wiki -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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API Question: map list -> UI URL?
by tlhackque＠yahoo.com June 24, 2017

June 24, 2017

Using the REST API, how do I get from a list / list configuration to the URL of the management GUI? I've looked through the data returned by the API and even the SQL schemas; I don't see the path. Am I missing something, or do I need to log an issue for this? I'm not particularly interested in the subscriber pages, but it ought to be possible to get there too... Thanks.

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Topics? First bug...
by tlhackque June 21, 2017

June 21, 2017

Hi, I'd like to deploy a new project on Mailman 3, which I prototyped on 2.1). Unfortunately, it's organized as one mailing list with ~ 120 topics. (The project follows another source, and it's much easier to spin up (or down) a new topic than to instantiate & manage a new list.) I see that the latest Mailman 3 release (Congrats!) doesn't support topics yet. Where is that on your todo list? First bug: Looking at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/. If I set "results per page" to a large number & switch months, results per page reverts to the default (10). It should stick with whatever I select... It also would be nice to have an account preference for this, so it doesn't have to be set on each visit.

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Re: Http/Https
by Abhilash Raj June 15, 2017

June 15, 2017

Excerpts from Simon HANNA's message of June 14, 2017 1:06 pm: > You are supposed to force https in the webserver, serving postorius and hyperkitty. Especially in postorius almost all pages contain sensitive information. > > On June 14, 2017 10:05:59 PM GMT+02:00, Bill <bill3(a)uniserve.com> wrote: >>Hi folks, >> >>We're setting up Mailman 3.1 and so far installation has been good and >>we're now in the testing phase. >> >>We've run into a snag with the account signup function on Postorius. >> >>When Postorius sends an email to the user to confirm their address, it >>displays a link using the https protocol. This doesn't work. But, if we >> >>manually change the protocol to http it will work, confirm the address >>and take us back to Postorius. >> >>Is this a known bug or have we committed a configuration error? I agree to Simon's suggestion that you should use HTTPS for all communications for Postorius. However, if you really want to, it is possible to change the behavior using a configuration parameter in django-allauth which is what controls the user signup and email verification. ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL (=”http”) If you set the above to "http" in your django's settings.py, it should then generate urls with http. [1]: https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configuration.html Message-ID: <draft-878tktptc9.fsf(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 01:07:18 -0700 X-Notmuch-Emacs-Draft: True -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Http/Https
by Bill June 14, 2017

June 14, 2017

Hi folks, We're setting up Mailman 3.1 and so far installation has been good and we're now in the testing phase. We've run into a snag with the account signup function on Postorius. When Postorius sends an email to the user to confirm their address, it displays a link using the https protocol. This doesn't work. But, if we manually change the protocol to http it will work, confirm the address and take us back to Postorius. Is this a known bug or have we committed a configuration error? All assistance appreciated. Bill -- Sent using Icedove on Debian GNU/Linux.

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Re: "Private archives" aren't private
by Simon Liebold June 6, 2017

June 6, 2017

Am 06.06.2017 um 22:25 schrieb Abhilash Raj: > Excerpts from Simon Liebold via Mailman-users's message of June 6, > 2017 1:20 pm: >> >> AttributeError: type object 'BaseCommand' has no attribute >> 'option_list' > > It was reported recently on the bug tracker, you can track the > progress here[1]. > > > [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/135#note_31529582 Thanks Abhilash for the pointer. Simon

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(Email|Thread) matching query does not exist ?
by Simon Liebold June 6, 2017

June 6, 2017

I am seeing these errors: mailman-suite_project$ python manage.py qcluster 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-11541 starting. 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 11546 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 11547 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster at 11545 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 pushing tasks at 11549 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-11541 running. 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 monitoring at 11548 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] 19:27:52 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. 19:27:52 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. 19:27:52 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. Should I need to worry? I recently deleted some test emails from the archive. Don't know if this has anything to do with it. Simon

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"Delete this thread" -> 'HTTP-500 -> NoneType' object has no attribute 'all'
by Simon Liebold May 30, 2017

May 30, 2017

Is deleting threads from the archive (via Hyperkitty) currently supported? I am getting the error indicated above if I click on "Delete this thread". Is there another way to delete whole threads or individual posts? Simon

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Editing "automatic responses" tab i Postorius does not work
by David Krantz May 26, 2017

May 26, 2017

Hi, I am trying to change e.g. the value of "notify admin on membership changes" through postorius. This is not possible as I have no URLs for the various templates (all templates are using defaults stored on the server). Is this something that can be circumvented or fixed? I can of course change admin_notify_mchanges in the "mailman withlist" interface, but this is less than ideal. best regards // David

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ANNOUNCE: Mailman 3.1.0 final!
by Barry Warsaw May 26, 2017

May 26, 2017

Hello Mailpeople! On behalf of the entire team and all our wonderful contributors, I'm happy to announce the release of GNU Mailman 3.1 final. My deep thanks go to all the Mailman project sprinters at Pycon 2017 for getting us over the line! Two years after the original release of Mailman 3.0, this version contains a huge number of improvements across the entire stack. Many bugs have been fixed and new features added in the Core, Postorius (web u/i), and HyperKitty (archiver). Upgrading from Mailman 2.1 should be better too. We are seeing more production sites adopt Mailman 3, and we've been getting great feedback as these have rolled out. Important: mailman-bundler, our previous recommended way of deploying Mailman 3, has been deprecated. Abhilash Raj is putting the finishing touches on Docker images to deploy everything, and he'll have a further announcement in a week or two. Feedback is welcome: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman What is GNU Mailman? GNU Mailman is free software for managing electronic mail discussion and e-newsletter lists. Mailman is integrated with the web, making it easy for users to manage their accounts and for list owners to administer their lists. Mailman supports built-in archiving, automatic bounce processing, content filtering, digest delivery, and more. Mailman 3 is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License, version 3. The best places to start for all things related to this release: http://docs.mailman3.org/ http://www.list.org/ https://gitlab.com/mailman (Note: due to timezone skew, some of the tarballs may not be available on PyPI until tomorrow.) Happy Mailman Day, -Your friendly neighborhood cabal An overview of what's new in Mailman 3.1 ======================================== Feature parity with Mailman 2.1 ------------------------------- * You should be able to do just about everything that you could do in Mailman 2.1 *except* for topics and sibling/umbrella lists. Core ---- * Added support for Python 3.5 and 3.6 * MySQL is now an officially supported database * Many improvements with importing Mailman 2.1 lists * DMARC mitigations have been added, based on, but different than the same feature in Mailman 2.1 * The REST API requires HTTP/1.1 * A new REST API version (3.1) has been added which changes how UUIDs are interpreted, fixing the problem for some JavaScript libraries * Many new REST resources and methods have been added * Individual mailing lists can augment the system's header matching rules * `mailman create` now creates missing domains by default * `mailman digests` now has `--verbose` and `--dry-run` options * `mailman shell` now supports readline history * `mailman members` can filter members based on their subscription roles * A new template system has been added for all messages originating from inside Mailman. * The Message-ID-Hash header replaces X-Message-ID-Hash * New placeholders have been added for headers and footers * Unsubscriptions can now be confirmed and/or moderated Postorius/HyperKitty -------------------- * General U/I and U/X improvements * Many more features from the Core's have been plumbed through * We've adopted Django social auth logins and dropped Persona (since it's no longer supported upstream). You can now log in via Facebook, Google, GitHub, and GitLab. Backward incompatibilities -------------------------- * Core/REST: Held message resources now have an `original_subject` key that is not RFC 2047 decoded. `subject` is now RFC 2047 decoded. * Core/REST: If you've run pre-release versions from git head, and stored welcome and goodbye templates via REST, the template key names have changed backward incompatibility.

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Multiple header_checks in mailman.cfg. How?
by Simon Liebold May 20, 2017

May 20, 2017

Hello, What is the correct syntax if I wanted to perform multiple header checks? header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) header_checks: x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: ['X-Spam: (yes|maybe)', 'x-another-header: (some|any)thing'] Or something completely different? I don't think it is the first two because "mailman conf -s antispam" shows only a single header_checks. But the 3rd variant doesn't work either. Simon Hello, What is the correct syntax if I wanted to perform multiple header checks? header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) header_checks: x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: ['X-Spam: (yes|maybe)', 'x-another-header: (some|any)thing'] Or something completely different? I don't think it is the first two because "mailman conf -s antispam" shows only a single h= eader_checks. But the 3rd variant doesn't work either. Simon

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Character set for postorius
by David Krantz May 18, 2017

May 18, 2017

Hi, I'd like to have my descriptions of maillists with the correct characters for my languages... Where is the character set for this determined? If I input e.g. 'è' (è) or 'ö' (ö) it is substituted with a '?'. Of course the html entities are not allowed either, the ampersand '&' is escaped somewhere between output and input. Cheers // David

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HyperKitty needs regis, really?
by Simon Liebold May 15, 2017

May 15, 2017

Hi I am seeing a whole bunch of error messages in mailmansuite.log whenever a new message is sent to be archived: ERROR 2017-05-14 15:41:41,261 13634 django.request Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive ... File "/opt/mailman/venv-2.7/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/redis/connection.py", line 442, in connect raise ConnectionError(self._error_message(e)) ConnectionError: Error 111 connecting to localhost:6379. Connection refused. I didn't see this mentioned anywhere. Does HyperKitty need a running regis server to work? What am I missing? Simon

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So, why are css & js files only served with "DEBUG = yes" ?
by Simon Liebold May 7, 2017

May 7, 2017

Hello List, I did see this discussed in #180 <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/180>, but I didn't quite understand if this is an issue or not. Why is it that I can run the development server just fine. [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/css/style.css HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/js/bootstrap.min.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/django-mailman3/js/main.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/libs/jquery/jquery-1.11.3.min.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/django-mailman3/css/main.css HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/js/script.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png HTTP/1.1" 304 0 And as soon as I comment out # SECURITY WARNING: don't run with debug turned on in production! # DEBUG = True in mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/settings.py and restart it 404s on me. [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css HTTP/1.1" 404 127 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/django-mailman3/css/main.css HTTP/1.1" 404 109 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/css/style.css HTTP/1.1" 404 104 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/django-mailman3/js/main.js HTTP/1.1" 404 107 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/js/bootstrap.min.js HTTP/1.1" 404 125 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/libs/jquery/jquery-1.11.3.min.js HTTP/1.1" 404 123 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/js/script.js HTTP/1.1" 404 103 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png HTTP/1.1" 404 123 So the choice is insecure vs. ugly? Neither of those sounds very tempting. I guess, I am missing something, or no? Simon

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reason for breaching max_message_size is "N/A"
by David Krantz May 1, 2017

May 1, 2017

Hi. Today I learned to things: The default max_message_size is 40kB. Messages larger than that are blocked (expected) with the reason "N/A" (not expected). The reason would be helpful to me as admin. Also: Is there any way to set a server default for this as it is a bit of a hassle to change it from the command line for each new list. I can of course find where in the code to change but that seems the wrong way to me. Cheers // David

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Any good ideas on how to troubleshoot django allauth
by David Krantz April 27, 2017

April 27, 2017

Hi again. Allauth works for me... sometimes... For google logins it works most of the time. For facebook it almost never works. When it does not work, I get an error page with the error "An error occurred while attempting to login via your social network account." (or the equivalent in my locale). If I then reload the page, I get logged in! In some cases I get the error and the little green popup saying that I am logged in at the same time. Strange. So... If there is any documentation for how to set up or how to troubleshoot django allauth I am all ears (eyes, really). I have tested the "missing howto..." and updated version of that without enough success. Cheers // David The only thing I find is in the Apache log: (I have removed all cryptovalues and other things that should be uninteresting to others) [LOCAL_IP] - - [19/Apr/2017:00:00:39 +0000] "GET /accounts/facebook/login/?process=login&next=%2Farchives%2F HTTP/1.1" 302 706 "https://lists.example.com/accounts/login/?next=/archives/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/52.0.2743.116 Safari/537.36 Edge/15.15063" [LOCAL_IP] - - [19/Apr/2017:00:00:53 +0000] "GET /accounts/facebook/login/callback/?code=[LONG CRYPTO-LOOKING STRING] HTTP/1.1" 200 2129 "https://www.facebook.com/login/reauth.php?app_id=[MY_APP_ID_I_THINK]&signed…" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/52.0.2743.116 Safari/537.36 Edge/15.15063"

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Patch/kludge suggestion and a question on adding accepted addresses
by David Krantz April 25, 2017

April 25, 2017

Hi. I found out that I had a broken email in one of my held messages queues). That gave a HTTP 500 error although that should be fixed . After some digging I found out that where the error occured. I'd suggest adding a catch for AttributeError similar to the one for KeyError in _HeldMessageBase in rest/post_moderation.py. It solved my immediate problem at least. I run the version from git with the tag 263711b3b7988c7c474e3b8952dc7e0f02f04fa2 The message causing this was probably one where I had sent a minimal email via telnet to the SMTP port and forgot the MessageID-header or something similarily silly. But it prevented me from seeing the held messages-list in postorius. I have another question: In the old mailman you could add accepted senders without adding them to the list. Is that possible in Mailman 3/Postorius? cheers. // David

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502 Bad Gateway??? Trying to change stuff
by am April 23, 2017

April 23, 2017

I am trying to change my email address, but forgot password. The screen for reset gets 502 Bad Gateway ------------------------------ nginx/1.4.6 (Ubuntu) any way someone can fix this????

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Remove footer link
by David Terni April 23, 2017

April 23, 2017

Hi, I need to remove footer message like "to unsubscribe etc etc" from all lists. How i can do it or edit text? Thanks alot for any suggestion. David

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Fwd: Incoming command emails (i.e. listname-leave) routed to list itself
by Abhilash Raj April 22, 2017

April 22, 2017

Hi Mark, Excerpts from Mark Lindsay's message of April 20, 2017 5:37 pm: <snip> Here are some baffling lines from /var/log/exim4/mainlog from the incoming > potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org email: > > 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r DKIM: d=nervous-org.20150623. > gappssmtp.com s=20150623 c=relaxed/relaxed a=rsa-sha256 [verification > succeeded] > 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r <= redacted(a)nervous.org H= > mail-qk0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170] P=esmtp S=2466 id= > CABPy5zyQtJHXtCgrN37GHCUOjuo3J=DO_j0ZD03zm8gk+4shww(a)mail.gmail.com > 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r => potato(a)lists.mydomain.org < > potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org> R=mailman3_router T=mailman3_transport > H=localhost [127.0.0.1] C="250 Ok" > 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r Completed > > Why does it say `potato(a)lists.mydomain.org <potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.o > rg > >> `? >> > > I think this is actually an exim4 problem, so if the solution is to just > switch to postfix, then I will definitely do that. But I'm just asking in > case someone had a similar issue with exim4 and was able to work through > it. > > Yes, I had the exact same problem very recently and was able to fix it. The updated documentation[1] should fix your problem. The basic gist of the problem is that the exim configuration on the older documentation is missing a critical part. Exim4 by default strips off any prefixes/suffixes when delivering mail to the mailman, which causes mailman to post all the messages to mailing list instead of processing them as commands. `rcpt_include_affixes = true` Adding the above line to the transport fixes that problem. [1]: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mt a.html#exim4-configuration thanks, Abhilash

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Incoming command emails (i.e. listname-leave) routed to list itself
by Mark Lindsay April 21, 2017

April 21, 2017

Hi mailman-users, I'm new to Mailman 3 and Mailman in general, but I've got it up and running, and my external app is communicating quite well with the administrative REST API. Here's the only problem I haven't been able to figure out: Say I have a list called "potato." List members can post to the list by emailing potato(a)lists.mydomain.org. This works fine. However, incoming mail for command addresses (e.g. potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org) is routed to the list too. The command email gets sent out to all members, as if the user who wanted to unsubscribe had just written to potato(a)lists.mydomain.org. This is also the case with the potato-request(a)lists.mydomain.org address. I am using exim4 on Ubuntu. I followed the instructions here: http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/release-3.0/src/mailman/docs/MTA.html. The only change I had to make to the exim4 config files in the readthedocs instructions was in this line: MM3_LISTCHK=MM3_HOME/lists/${local_part}@${domain} I had to change it to: MM3_LISTCHK=MM3_HOME/lists/${local_part}.${domain} That is how the subdirectories are named in my lists directory. e.g. potato.lists.mydomain.org. If I use the exact MM3_LISTCHK value from readthedocs, I get 550 Unrouteable bounces. Here are some baffling lines from /var/log/exim4/mainlog from the incoming potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org email: 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r DKIM: d=nervous-org.20150623. gappssmtp.com s=20150623 c=relaxed/relaxed a=rsa-sha256 [verification succeeded] 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r <= redacted(a)nervous.org H= mail-qk0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170] P=esmtp S=2466 id= CABPy5zyQtJHXtCgrN37GHCUOjuo3J=DO_j0ZD03zm8gk+4shww(a)mail.gmail.com 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r => potato(a)lists.mydomain.org < potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org> R=mailman3_router T=mailman3_transport H=localhost [127.0.0.1] C="250 Ok" 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r Completed Why does it say `potato(a)lists.mydomain.org <potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org >`? I think this is actually an exim4 problem, so if the solution is to just switch to postfix, then I will definitely do that. But I'm just asking in case someone had a similar issue with exim4 and was able to work through it. Thanks a lot, Mark

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Memory footprint
by David Krantz April 19, 2017

April 19, 2017

Hi. Now running mailman 3 I am a bit surprised that the memory footprint is so large. I count to 13 processes with each a virtual space of 160-250MB and a reserved space of about 50MB each. Not much, but quite much to run on smaller cloud instances which generally have limited memory. This is (a lot) more than the corresponding postgres installation uses, Is this normal? regards // David

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Installing MM3 requires Django<1.11
by Henrik Rasmussen April 12, 2017

April 12, 2017

Two questions regarding Mailman 3 installation: 1) The Mail server setup at http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-a-mail-server isn't described yet. Instead it refers to https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.10/topics/email/#topic-email-backends, but it doesn't say which file I have to change. According to https://www.webforefront.com/django/setupdjangoemail.html the file is called settings.py, but the only settings.py I can find at this stage is the /opt/mailman/postorius/example_project/settings.py file. According to http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-and-run-postorius, "Postorius and HyperKitty both come with example_project directories with basic configuration so you can try them out. For this tutorial, however, we'll be using a project that combines both instead.". In what file should I change the mail settings then? 2) While installing Hyperkitty*) I got the error message "Django 1.11rc1 is installed but Django<1.11 is required by {'django-haystack'}". As I have slavishly followed the installation guide including http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-django-mailman3, I wonder why a non-supported Django version was installed. *) http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-and-run-hyperkitty Regards Henrik

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Dockerizing Wordpress with Nginx and PHP-FPM on Ubuntu 16.04
by ddw David Wilson April 12, 2017

April 12, 2017

Barry et al; Does the link below provide a model for a complete flexible integrated Docker based install package for Mailman3? Any other progress that might suggest an easier road to enlightenment? Best regards. Dave Wilson https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/dockerizing-wordpress-with-nginx-and-ph…

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Deploying mailman3 using containers
by Abhilash April 10, 2017

April 10, 2017

Hi All, I have been working for the past two weeks on trying to create a solution to easily deploy Mailman 3 in production. For those interested, you can find the instructions about how to use my work at http://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/. I have tried to document the process as much as possible. This is still a work in progress, but I have a working deployment[1] using these containers. I try to keep the deployment updated with the github repo, but there is no automated deploy happening there so sometimes it gets out of sync. While this is aimed to finally become a production ready method to deploy mailman 3, it is still not there. All I can say at this point is that it works. I have tried my best to document everything and I keep updating the documentation whenever I feel anything needs more clarity. I would love some feedback to improve the process or documentation. You can open issues on the github repo[2]. Currently, container images are built from the master branch of the gitlab repos and are thus not branded as stable. I am waiting for 3.1 release to add a stable tag to the images. [1]: https://mail.araj.me/ [2]: https://github.com/maxking/mailman -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Mailman 3 api php
by david.terni＠gmail.com March 27, 2017

March 27, 2017

Hi, I apologize if this is't the right place but I don't understand how connect mailman 3 with api and php/CURL. It's possibile to do it? I tried to use the same url used with mailman2 but doesn't work. Someone can help me? Thank's a lot

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How to set up mailman 3
by David Krantz March 26, 2017

March 26, 2017

Hi. I have tried and failed to set up mailman 3 using the mailman_bundle. I get the mailman3 server running correctly, but the problem is the extremely sensitive web user interface... Now when I found this mail list I understand that mailman bundle is depricated and that I must restart from scratch. Is this true? This annoys me quite a lot, can someone responsible within the project please mark the deprecated package as such? Almost none of the documentation is completely correct. It is useful but very incomplete. The mailman_bundle generated configuration examples for e.g. apache simply is wrong or incomplete. That said I got it running using http only, but when I switched to HTTPS the login simply ceased working. I use password+username as the other solution is quite complicated to get running. I could of course switch to e.g. google login, but that would require at least some documentation on how to do that. So, is there any documentation on how to use mailman 3? The error I get now is "Please enter a correct username and password. Note that both fields may be case-sensitive." I know that I enter the correct password as it worked before I added HTTPS. Sorry for the rant, but I am very annoyed by this. I just need a mail list server that works and thought it would be very neat to run mailman3 after running a hoste mailman2 for many years. Best regards // David

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Re: Mm3 - new adventure
by SP2L March 15, 2017

March 15, 2017

Hello Mark. On 14/03/17 18:29, Mark Sapiro wrote: > mailman-bundler is out of date and deprecated. You might find > <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998> of interest. I appreciate prompt response, indeed. Will follow your suggestion verbatim - thank you. I read this too: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/#documentation And yes, I ran: bin/mailman-post-update python manage.py migrate and some more. Best regards -- Tom - SP2L ------------------------------------ It is nice to be important. But it is more important to be nice!

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Mm3 - new adventure
by SP2L March 14, 2017

March 14, 2017

Greetings. I have up&running Mailman-2.1.23 on my web site. Lately started adventurous journey with Mailman3 which is way, way different already from the beginning. Used Mailman bundler to install GNU Mailman, Postorius and HyperKitty testing instance in virtual environment, mainly relaying on belows recipe: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-bundler/ Present status. Above trio and MySQLServer are "talking" to each other but because there isproper database on MySQLServer I am facing strange and unexpected issues, Hi! Executing last two commands: (venv)$ ./bin/mailman start (venv)$ ./bin/mailman-web-django-admin runserver 0.0.0.0:8000 & I see Postorius and HyperKitty up & runningbut... Belowvery condensed messages from the console: /HyperKitty/ DEBUG = False [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /archives/ HTTP/1.1" 200 8002 WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/smoothness/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.css WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/smoothness/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.css WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/css/cbbaa5c82a81.css WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/smoothness/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.css HTTP/1.1" 404 146 WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/icomoon/icomoon.css WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/css/cbbaa5c82a81.css WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/icomoon/icomoon.css WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css HTTP/1.1" 404 134 WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/CACHE/css/cbbaa5c82a81.css HTTP/1.1" 404 107 [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js HTTP/1.1" 404 134 [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/icomoon/icomoon.css HTTP/1.1" 404 116 [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js HTTP/1.1" 404 105 WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/img/logo.png WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/img/logo.png [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/img/logo.png HTTP/1.1" 404 104 WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js HTTP/1.1" 404 134 WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js HTTP/1.1" 404 105 DEBUG = True [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /archives/ HTTP/1.1" 200 8762 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/bootstrap/javascripts/bootstrap.min.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery.expander.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/d3.v2.min.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery.hotkeys.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/js/hyperkitty-common.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/js/hyperkitty-index.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/js/hyperkitty-overview.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/js/hyperkitty-thread.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/js/hyperkitty-userprofile.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/icomoon/icomoon.css HTTP/1.1" 200 699 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/smoothness/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.css HTTP/1.1" 200 18334 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js HTTP/1.1" 200 58173 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/CACHE/css/hyperkitty.fe05f9db56f4.css HTTP/1.1" 200 196499 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css HTTP/1.1" 200 17780 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/img/logo.png HTTP/1.1" 200 21168 /mailman3/ DEBUG = False Server Error (500) DEBUG = True HTTP Error 500: A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator. Exception Location: /var/lib/mailman3/mailman-bundler/eggs/mailmanclient-1.0.1-py2.7.egg/mailmanclient/_client.py in call, line 109 Then VERY, verylong list... By means of PhpMyAdmin I created manually mailman3 database and few tables (looking at 0001_initial.py) , but it is not working O.K. This handmade table is not doing it's job. How I can export skeleton of Mm3 database to MySQLServer, please? How to solve Server Error (500)? Where to look first? Best regards. -- Tom - SP2L ------------------------------------ It is nice to be important. But it is more important to be nice!

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Domain in welcome message
by Jean-Luc Wasmer Feb. 20, 2017

Feb. 20, 2017

Hi, The welcome message contains the wrong URL ("example.com") for the list: Welcome to the "Test" mailing list! (...) If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://example.com/jean-luc.wasmer@domain.com ---------^^^^^^^^^^^ Cheers, Jean-Luc

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Mailman 3 Status Update Please?
by ddw David Wilson Feb. 1, 2017

Feb. 1, 2017

Barry et al; I have been eagerly looking forward to a comprehensive install script for Mailman3 since the originally stated target date of Aug Sept and wondered if any new dates have been proposed? Furthermore, I wonder if either of the two following projects have been proposed for Google Summer of Code applications: 1) the afore mentioned comprehensive install script for Mailman3 on various targeted hardware; and/or; 2) updated for Python 3 and the latest P3 compatible Django utilities for archiving and email list collection, along with any new appropriate features? Many thanks in advance for all your efforts in this extremely worthwhile OSS project. Best regards. Dave Wilson

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HTTP-500, create_http_method_map(resource, None, None) ?
by Sim Dec. 18, 2016

Dec. 18, 2016

Previously posted on mailman-users(a)python.org. But this seems to be a better place for it. ---------- Hello List, I was following the [mailman-bundler](https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-bundler/) installation instructions. After starting Django for the first time (before changes to the Postfix configuration and without any pre-existing lists) I received an HTTP-500 from http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.4/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 57, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 65, in __call__ environ, start_response) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/falcon/api.py", line 180, in __call__ responder, params, resource = self._get_responder(req) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 135, in _get_responder method_map = create_http_method_map(resource, None, None) TypeError: create_http_method_map() takes 1 positional argument but 3 were given ERROR Internal Server Error: /mailman3/ To make it work I changed In file venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py: method_map = create_http_method_map(resource, None, None) into method_map = create_http_method_map(resource) Is this a bug or should I have created an initial list from the command line (similar to Mailman 2) before accessing this page? Simon

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Mailman 3.1 beta coming soon
by Barry Warsaw Dec. 13, 2016

Dec. 13, 2016

Hello Mailman 3 users and developers! It's been a long slog but I think we are finally ready to begin the release process for Mailman 3.1. I am pretty happy about the state of the Core, and Florian is going to do some more integration testing with HyperKitty and Postorius. We still have a few issues and a merge proposal or two to address, but I am planning to spin a beta of Core this weekend to facilitate testing. Here is the Core's 3.1 milestone page: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/milestones/2 If your favorite issue or merge request isn't on that list, please do get in touch. Otherwise it will be deferred to 3.2. I'm also not entirely promising I'll get to all of these; I really want to release 3.1 in 2016 so if we run out of time, it will get deferred. Here's the project-wide list of 3.1 issues: https://gitlab.com/groups/mailman/issues?scope=all&state=opened&utf8=%E2%9C… and merge requests: https://gitlab.com/groups/mailman/merge_requests?scope=all&state=opened&utf… Except that HyperKitty isn't on this list. Please do test whatever you can and let us know how it goes. Cheers, -Barry _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers(a)python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/mark%40msapiro.n… Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Find a smtp server to send out emails
by Mark Sapiro Dec. 8, 2016

Dec. 8, 2016

On 12/07/2016 06:56 PM, Leon wrote: > This is tricky. I have to turn on the anonymous list, but it makes > subscribers cannot directly reply to sender. Or you can install the patch at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/215.diff> This will enable you to set from_is_list to FromIsList.munge_from which will set the From: header to the list address without anonymizing the post. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Docker files for mailman
by Simon Hanna Nov. 19, 2016

Nov. 19, 2016

Hi, I started working on docker files for Mailman. I created three repositories: - https://github.com/simonsmiley/postorius-docker Holds the files needed to create a postorius container - https://github.com/simonsmiley/mailman-docker Holds the files needed to create a core container - https://github.com/simonsmiley/mailman-compose Holds docker-compose files that greatly simply the process of running the containers * The mailman repo currently lacks documentation * Currently no emails can be sent. I still have to figure out what the best way is... * Hyperkitty will be added next (together with a complete "bundler" install) I pushed two images to the docker hub. Their names are thelinuxguy/postorius and thelinuxguy/mailman I created two organizations mailman on docker hub and gnu-mailman on github https://github.com/gnu-mailman https://hub.docker.com/u/mailman/ I know we shouldn't use github, but there is no way around github/bitbucket for automated builds on docker hub. I post here to inform you about the docker images and I also to ask if I'm allowed to keep these two organizations and move my images/repos there. I'll happily give push/owner access to additional people if requested. The repositories could be mirrored to the gitlab mailman group, sadly the process doesn't work the other way round just yet. In case this request gets denied, I'll just remove the organizations and let the images be "unofficial". cheers, Simon

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Mailman 3 Social Auth Configuration
by emonical＠misfitlabs.org Oct. 13, 2016

Oct. 13, 2016

Hello. I am a new Mailman 3 user and have just gotten an environment configured using the Mailman bundler. The setup is almost complete, but, there's still Persona authorization. I was reading the your setup here from (https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience) and was wondering if someone might have some insight as to how to remove the Persona log in to keep it locked down entirely to localized user registration.

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Email commands
by Jean-Luc Wasmer Sept. 22, 2016

Sept. 22, 2016

Hi, I wasn't able to find documentation about the currently support email commands for Mailman 3. The following command doesn't work for me (mailman bundler 3.0.0): subscribe address=$<$ADDRESS$>$ Will this be supported later on? Cheers, Jean-Luc

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lists.mailman3.org web site.
by Mark Sapiro Aug. 30, 2016

Aug. 30, 2016

I have just upgraded the lists.mailman3.org Mailman 3 installation to the heads of the GitLab mailman* branches. A major change is the switch from Persona to Django Allauth. This requires some configuration which isn't yet complete. Hopefully it will all be working very soon. In the mean time if you want to log in to Hyperkitty/Postorius you should be able to log in with your email address. The first time you do this, Mailman probably won't even know your password so you'll have to request a reset. Once you have reset your password, you should be able to log in. I hope to have several social auth choices working very soon. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Mailman 3 Installation Packaging
by ddw David Wilson Aug. 30, 2016

Aug. 30, 2016

Salutations; I understand that work is in progress to provide a convenient installation tool to facilitate getting the suite of requisite programs installed and working harmoniously with a minimum of hassle? I assume that involves some combination of containers and/or virtual environments to insulate and isolate issues and facilitate portability. In addition, it would entail Mailman 3, Hyperkitty, Posterius and also Django, etc. The database selection of PostgreSQL or other. Other optionals to be configured would be the email utilities such as Postfix, etc Personally, my server of choice would run Centos. I gather Mark Sapiro was working on this as well? *Is there sufficient progress to warrant believing that such a capability might exist in the 2016 August - September time frame as was suggested some time back? Or are there any revised time-frames? Or an approximate estimated road-map?* Best regards. Dave Wilson

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Mailman3 in AWS
by Andrew Hodgson Aug. 23, 2016

Aug. 23, 2016

Hi Guys, Just looking at options for running Mailman3 in AWS. Here are some thoughts: - DB backend can be done in AWS RDS using Amazon Aurora DB with MySQL driver, or PostgreSQL. - What files (if any) get stored on the web servers and updated dynamically? Has load balancing been done for the websites before? - Any issues with runner processes being ran on more than one machine talking to the same DB backend? Just some initial thoughts to stem discussion. Andrew.

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Broken paths
by Jean-Luc Wasmer Aug. 22, 2016

Aug. 22, 2016

Hi, Is there a way to change where mailman looks for files? I've run into many issues with the default config: - mailman is specifically calling Python 3.4, ignoring the fact that I have Python 3.5 - shell scripts expect bash to be at /bin/bash (mine is at /usr/local/bin/bash) - mailman expects postmap to be at /usr/sbin/postmap (mine is at /usr/local/sbin/postmap) Please CC me in your reply as I wasn't able to join this mailing list (I login by email, get the login.persona.org pop-up, click sign in, the pop-up closes... but I'm still not logged in). Cheers, Jean-Luc

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Issue with Held Messages
by Jean-Luc Wasmer Aug. 20, 2016

Aug. 20, 2016

Hi, No matter what action I set for member posts (Hold for moderator, Reject) they are always delivered. When I tried from a non-member email address, the message got held but when I try to see it I get a Server Error (500) page. The log files shows: ERROR 2016-08-18 01:04:30,231 base 21026 34722993152 Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/test.mydomain.com/held_messages Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.14-py2.7.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 132, in get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.14-py2.7.egg/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/postorius-1.0.3-py2.7.egg/postorius/views/generic.py", line 67, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.14-py2.7.egg/django/views/generic/base.py", line 89, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.14-py2.7.egg/django/utils/decorators.py", line 34, in _wrapper return bound_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/postorius-1.0.3-py2.7.egg/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 81, in wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.14-py2.7.egg/django/utils/decorators.py", line 30, in bound_func return func.__get__(self, type(self))(*args2, **kwargs2) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/postorius-1.0.3-py2.7.egg/postorius/views/list.py", line 387, in get held_messages = utils.paginate(request, self.mailing_list.held, 20) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/mailmanclient-1.0.1-py2.7.egg/mailmanclient/_client.py", line 443, in held moderation_reasons=entry['moderation_reasons'], KeyError: u'moderation_reasons' Cheers, Jean-Luc

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Does this get archive headers?
by Mark Sapiro Aug. 2, 2016

Aug. 2, 2016

Sorry for the noise. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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[MM3-users]Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman3 administration
by Mark Sapiro July 31, 2016

July 31, 2016

On 06/17/2016 12:16 PM, Bill wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for some information on Mailman3 administration. I've found > that it's not yet packaged by any of the common Linux distros - Debian, > Ubuntu, Mint, RedHat, Centos, Fedora, Suse, Arch etc so I have some > concerns about the amount of upkeep that running Mailman3 will entail. > > I know that Mailman2 is available as a package on the above distros, but > we would really like to take advantage of the kludge-free, virtual > domains feature on Mailman3. > > I've been asked by a local non-profit provider to assist them in moving > their 200+ mailing lists from an outdated Sympa list server to > Debian8/Postfix/Mailman. One of their chief concerns is the amount of > extra administration, over and above normal list administration, that > Mailman3 will require in the form of manual updates and maintenance. > > We are in the evaluation and design stage right now, but could use any > pertinent advice about supportive distros, available packages, the > amount of extra administration involved or perhaps, in a worst case > scenario, alternate list managers supporting a virtual domains feature > similar to Mailman3. > > Thanks for your help, > > Bill McGrath > President, Vancouver Linux Users Group > https://vanlug.bc.ca I've copied this post and set Reply-To: to the Mailman 3 users list <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>. Please join at <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users@mailman3.org/> before replying there. That said, we are working on packaging for a more turn-key installation, but we aren't there yet. I've installed a couple of instances including the one at lists.mailman3.org, and it does require extra work. Some of the work in my case is because I want to run all the Mailman pieces from the heads of their branches rather than what's in PyPI, but even without that, installation is significantly more work than installing a distro's package. I will be writing up my experiences, but that's not done yet either. I will say that once you have Mailman 3 installed and running, updating (which I do frequently, but which doesn't need to be done unless you want specific updates/fixes) is pretty easy. As far as alternatives are concerned There is an up to date Mailman 2.1 branch with better virtual domain support at <https://code.launchpad.net/~msapiro/mailman/vhost>, but I think in the long run, you'd be better off with Mailman 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Countdown to the 3.1 release
by Barry Warsaw July 13, 2016

July 13, 2016

Previously I mentioned the three big outstanding branches that I'd like to land for Mailman 3.1 Core, the templates branch, the MySQL support branch, and the unsubscription workflow branch. I've now also gone through all the bugs previously targeted to milestone 3.1, and there are only three left: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/milestones/2 I think these are important enough to fix for 3.1 and I welcome merge requests while the other three branches are ongoing. Please take a look at any other bugs not assigned to milestone 3.1 and let me know if you think any are serious enough to block the 3.1 release. I'll say in advance that I'm going to be brutal in assessing them, because 3.1 really needs to be released soon! Note too that there may be blockers for Postorius, Hyperkitty, and mailman.client, but I haven't looked at those subprojects yet. How close are they to being release ready? Cheers, -Barry

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Templates branch for Mailman 3.1
by Barry Warsaw July 11, 2016

July 11, 2016

Hello developers! There are three big features still in progress for Mailman 3.1, the templates branch, MySQL support, and unsubscription workflow. There is already a merge request for MySQL support and I'm hoping to merge that soon. Abhilash is also working on the unsubscription workflow feature but there's no MR for that yet. The templates feature is very nearly done, so I think now is a good time to ask for testing, feedback, and review. This is a generalization of the welcome_message_uri feature in MM3.0 where you could specify e.g. the welcome message as a URL to download and cache when necessary. This is important because Core doesn't know whether there is even a web ui (e.g. Postorius) involved, or where things like clickable links to unsubscribe would be. Sites also want to customize footers to include information like codes of conduct, etc. Now (or when this branch lands), you will be able to specify a URL to retrieve any template that Mailman uses internally, whether they are confirmation messages, bounce probes, welcome and goodbye messages, etc. These can be templates for administrators, users, and members. Because I'm hoping to get some reviews, I'll point you at the documentation for more details: https://gitlab.com/warsaw/mailman/blob/templates/src/mailman/rest/docs/temp… The branch did end up being much bigger and tentacled than I expected, but it's all hanging together pretty well now, and all the tests pass. There's still a small number of to-dos, but some of them will get punted, and the others won't have a major effect on the overall use and visibility of the feature. https://gitlab.com/warsaw/mailman/blob/templates/TODO.rst Note also that if you interact with the REST API v3.0, nothing changes externally, but the old IMailingList attributes are mapped onto the new templates mechanism. API v3.1 is where you see all the actual new feature end-points exposed. Of course, any MM2 list converted to MM3.1 will use the new templates stuff too. Feedback very much welcome, either here or on the MR: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/170 I'd like to land this some time in the next week or so. Then I'll work on the other two big branches and start to release some betas. Cheers, -Barry

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[MM3-users]Installation documentation.
by Mark Sapiro July 5, 2016

July 5, 2016

I have now done production installations of Mailman 3 on this server (lists.mailman3.org) and mail.python.org. I've attempted to document this experience at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998>. Suggestions for improvement and/or direct edits on the wiki are welcome. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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[MM3-users]Request for assistance for fresh install of Mailman 3.0.3 and Python 3.4
by Rubén Rivero Capriles June 1, 2016

June 1, 2016

Hello World! Very nice to meet you all this afternoon! In order to avoid compatibility issues, I reinstalled CentOs 7. Firewalld, Apache and BIND are operational. I also installed Python 3.4 at http://www.codeghar.com/blog/install-latest-python-on-centos-7.html; however I understand that Python 2.7 is still available and am confused about usage of each version. I downloaded the tarball for mailman 3.0.3. I will greatly appreciate if you quickly let me know how to install it. I do not wish to use mailman bundler.

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[MM3-users]Re: Request for assistance for fresh install of Mailman 3.0.3 and Python 3.4
by Rubén Rivero Capriles May 31, 2016

May 31, 2016

Hi Simon, Richard and Mark: Thanks for directing me to man crontab. I'm sure I'll work the issue out within reasonable time. Yes, indeed awstats reads postfix logs, the main reason I'm installing it is because it's helpful for analyzing website traffic. There are limitations: for example, there is an Apache GeoIP plugin for matching IP addresses with countries. My IP address and domains are registered in the USA but I live in Venezuela and my websites, although being bilingual, are very geared to Venezuelan issues. Probably millions of other people worldwide share this kind of background. So how effective is it to rely on those statistics anyway? I look forward to comparing awstats with Mailman Daily Status Report. I was honored to receive an email today from Thomas Woerner of Fedora, chief developer of the firewalld project, requesting to the Firewalld Users Discussion list to download today's release of 0.4.2. It is supposed to have fixed the various bugs we have recently dealt with. Which method should I use to download it? Am interested in upgrading firewalld immediately because the old version conflicted with ebtables and my OS python 2.7 got confused because of that last week. You have taught me to be be careful about managing simultaneously Python 2 & 3 or Mailman 2 & 3. Here are enclosed details of firewalld upgrade. My installed version of firewalld is 0.3.9 and yum doesn't provide any updates. Until yesterday both 0.4 and 0.4.1.2 were available from sources; and 0.4.2 was released today. "Thomas Woerner <twoerner(a)redhat.com> <twoerner(a)redhat.com> Para Firewalld users discussion list <firewalld-users(a)lists.fedorahosted.org>Firewalld development list <firewalld-devel(a)lists.fedorahosted.org> Hoy a las 14:44 The new firewalld version 0.4.2 is available with several enhancements, bug fixes and huge speed ups. The main changes of firewalld-0.4.2 are New transaction model --------------------- Changes are done in one big transaction instead of smaller ones. This speeds up firewalld start and restart tremendously. The start is done up to in six or nine calls to the restore commands depending on the configuration. This depends on ipset and also direct configuration usage. Also all other actions benefit from this change. Enhanced handling of connections and interfaces ----------------------------------------------- For interfaces that are handled by NetworkManager, requests to add or change bindings are directed to NetworkManager in the firewall-cmd and firewall-config tools. For interfaces on Fedora and RHEL systems that are not handled by NM, there is a new mechanism that changes the ifcfg file if there is one using the interface. This makes zone interface bindings more consistent. Usability enhancements for firewall-config ------------------------------------------ firewall-config has a new side bar with the active bindings of connections, interfaces and also sources. With this side bar it is possible to change the binding assignments in a simple way. A new overlay message window if the connection to firewalld could not be established or if it is lost. Speed ups for view changes runtime to permanent and back by introduction of new D-Bus methods in firewalld. The resize behavior has been fixed to be more expected. Enhanced runtime to permanent migration --------------------------------------- The enhanced migration is not saving interfaces that are under control of NetworkManager to the permanent configuration. Zones, services etc. are only migrated if there are changes compared to current permanent configuration. New ICMP block inversion ------------------------ The ICMP block is now completely handled per zone. With the new ICMP block inversion flag in the zone it is possible to invert the ICMP block. That means that the enabeld ICMP blocks are allowed and all others are blocked. In a drop zone these remaining types are dropped and not blocked. The logging of denied rules have been added to icmp-blocks. Source port support in zones, services and rich rules ----------------------------------------------------- Additionally to ports is it also now possible to allow source ports in a zones and also in a service in a similar way as existing ports. There is a new flag source-port for this. Source ports can also be used in rich rules as elements. The source ports can be combined with logging, limiting and also an action. Rich rules with destination only* *------------------------------------- Destination addresses can now be used in rich rules without an element. This enabled the use of rich rules containing destination addresses combined with an action and logging only. There are also several other bug fixes or enhancements and code optimizations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The new firewalld version 0.4.1.2 is available here: https://fedorahosted.org/released/firewalld/firewalld-0.4.2.tar.bz2 Also on github: https://github.com/t-woerner/firewalld/releases/tag/v0.4.2 And in the github repository: https://github.com/t-woerner/firewalld/ <https://github.com/t-woerner/firewalld/> <https://github.com/t-woerner/firewalld/tree/v0.4.0> _______________________________________________ Rubén Rivero Capriles http://www.rubenrivero.net (blog global - español) http://www.rroopstr.com (global blog - English) http://www.riverocooper.com (art & mining)

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[MM3-users]Is is possible to allow all users Create List functionality?
by Carrie Knox May 27, 2016

May 27, 2016

Hello, My company is evaluating mailman3 as an option for a company internal list server. One of the requirements is that any registered user be allowed to create and maintain lists. Is this possible? If so, how? Does a "create list" role need to be added as a default role during account creation? Thanks, Carrie

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