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Easiest way to install a new mailman3 deployment?
by ieso＠johnwillson.com Jan. 18, 2021

Jan. 18, 2021

So I've been trying for the last two weeks to get a new mailman3 server running on a virtualized server (any server), and I'm turning to this list after having failed many times and running out of holiday time. I started trying a non-docker installation on Ubuntu 18.04 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan…) , which got me the closest. Except I had a problem with inbound email only being triggered when it came from certain accounts. But that clearly wasn't good enough for production, so after many attempts to figure out where it was failing, I decided to turn to docker as a solution that should be cleaner. A few attempts at doing a docker installation on digitalocean.com failed, which I realized might be due to it not routing private IP addresses, so I moved to AWS after checking that their VPC policy would fit mailman's docker requirements. I found a great but slightly outdated guide on how to do this (https://xiaoxing.us/2018/01/01/deploy-mailman-3-on-aws-using-docker/) By this point I knew enough to correct a number of places where the environment had changed since the procedure was written, but postorius still failed at the curl test. The challenge for me has been the difficulty to know how to troubleshoot the different different systems and network infrastructure that are used to keep mailman3 humming. I've tried about 7 different installation walkthroughs (there are no recent ones on Youtube by the way, in case anyone wants to seize that opportunity!), and the good guides provide ways to check each stage to try to help you a bit on that front. Nonetheless, I feel stuck and thought I'd ask the simple question... for a completely basic, barebones new installation, what's the easiest way to get a mailman3 installation up-and running? (e.g. Which server provider? Which operating system and version? Docker or otherwise?) Any pointers highly appreciated. Google Groups is clearly on its way out, as it no longer allows for people to easily join groups by sending an email or clicking a link, so that should be a big opportunity for mailman3 to step up and help give those mailing list migrants a new home... which is what we're looking for. We're just not quite as smart as you guys. ;-)

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Mailman 3 Installation
by bruce.dubbs＠gmail.com Jan. 17, 2021

Jan. 17, 2021

I am trying to set up Mailman 3 on a new server. So far I have run: pip3 install Django==3.1.5 pip3 install postorius pip3 install Hyperkitty pip3 install mailman pip3 install uwsgi All that went well. I've been struggling with the configuration though. I am using /etc/mailman.cfg and that seems to be explained in the documentation OK. From there I am confused. I do have sqlite installed, but the documentation discusses mysql/mariadb and postresql. What are the considerations as to why I would need one of these other DBs? I think I can follow the instructions to set up postfix. In the section 'Configure Web Frontend', it discusses setting up the administrator. As I want to put Mailman on /srv/mailman I can create that, but what should the owner/permissions be? Later the docs discuss editing Django's settings.py. Where do I find that file? I'll note here that my experience with python is quite limited and my knowledge of Django is nil. Later in the section 'Set up HyperKitty', it sends me to a page that discusses installing it. I did that with pip3. Then it says to 'Setup your django project'. What django project is that. I would appreciate advice or a pointer to where I can figure this out. Thanks. -- Bruce

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New release candidates for Postorius and Hyperkitty
by Abhilash Raj Jan. 17, 2021

Jan. 17, 2021

Hey Everyone, Happy new year to everyone! I am pleased to announce new release candidates for Postorius and Hyperkitty along with new releases for Mailmanclient and Django-mailman3! These include both new features and bug fixes. Complete change log for each components: Postorius 1.3.4rc1: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html Hyperkitty 1.3.4rc1 : https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html Mailmanclient 3.3.2.: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… Django-mailman3 1.3.5: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst These releases require Mailman Core 3.3.2 and Python 3.6+. Since these are pre-releases, you can install them using: $ pip install --pre --upgrade postorius hyperkitty Or you can also specify the exact versions: $ pip install --upgrade 'postorius==1.3.4rc1' 'hyperkitty==1.3.4rc1' Unless there is a release-blocker bug, stable versions for Postorius and Hyperkitty will be released in 2 weeks time. If you can test these releases, we encourage you to report any bugs to us on Gitlab. If you'd like to help out with translations for some of the new strings in your native language, the documentation is available here[1] on how to do that. [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/translation.html -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking) On behalf of GNU Mailman Team

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subscribing to any list is not possible
by r.woithe＠callassoftware.com Jan. 17, 2021

Jan. 17, 2021

Hello, after i solved the qcluster error with a new installation i have still an error with subscribing. It is not possible to subscribe to any list via email or web-interface. The mass subcribtion as admin via the web-interface is possible and the unsubscribing also. But i can not get any error messages in any log file, nothing. Also the django users are fine, django users can subscribe without a problem. But subscribing to any list is not possible via the web-interface, with the error message "A Server Error occured please conntact the Administrator",also subscribing via email is not possible(mail.log is fine the mail is delivered), but there is no additionally error message in any log file. System: ubuntu 20.04.01 Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.5 (default, Jul 28 2020, 12:59:40) [GCC 9.3.0]

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Re: New release candidates for Postorius and Hyperkitty
by Abhilash Raj Jan. 16, 2021

Jan. 16, 2021

+cc: mailman-usersmailman3.org for more visibility. On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Ruth Ivimey-Cook wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a recommended method for upgrading an existing, running, server > from Python 3.6 to 3.8, especially in such a way as to enable downgrade > if something breaks? It depends on how did you install Mailman. If you installed using virtualenv, you can create another virtualenv and install new versions, that use the same configuration and switch between new and old versions, > > [When I upgraded a server distribution without enough preparation, it > broke mailman3 because I lost python3.6, and getting it working again > needed a lot of work to reinstall it without zapping needed state.] > > Regards > > Ruth > > > On 16/01/2021 20:38, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > > > Happy new year to everyone! > > > > I am pleased to announce new release candidates for Postorius and Hyperkitty along with new releases for Mailmanclient and Django-mailman3! > > > > These include both new features and bug fixes. Complete change log for each components: > > > > Postorius 1.3.4rc1: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html > > Hyperkitty 1.3.4rc1 : https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html > > Mailmanclient 3.3.2.: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… > > Django-mailman3 1.3.5: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst > > > > These releases require Mailman Core 3.3.2 and Python 3.6+. > > > > Since these are pre-releases, you can install them using: > > > > $ pip install --pre --upgrade postorius hyperkitty > > > > Or you can also specify the exact versions: > > > > $ pip install --upgrade 'postorius==1.3.4rc1' 'hyperkitty==1.3.4rc1' > > > > Unless there is a release-blocker bug, stable versions for Postorius and Hyperkitty will be released in 2 weeks time. If you can test these releases, we encourage you to report any bugs to us on Gitlab. > > > > If you'd like to help out with translations for some of the new strings in your native language, the documentation is available here[1] on how to do that. > > > > [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/translation.html > > > -- > Software Manager & Engineer > Tel: 01223 414180 > Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog > LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/ > > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Subscription request cannot be moderated: 404 Not Found
by Eric Broens Jan. 16, 2021

Jan. 16, 2021

For one of our mailinglists we also have a problem with accepting a subscription request. When Clicking "Accept", we get a 404 Not found error. See the attached screenshot. Is there a way to solve this? Best Regards,Eric

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Mailman 'requests' API call timeout when there are a number of pending members
by Alan So Jan. 15, 2021

Jan. 15, 2021

We are currently testing latest mailman suite and notice that the requests API call will timeout if there are a number of pending requests. Since the latest Postorious allow unchecking Pre confirm and Pre approved during mass subscribe, our support staff tried to add large number of email addresses to the list. We then found that we cannot click into the list from the web UI to administer it and an error message showing that "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." Further checked that the requests API call failed to complete when we click the list on the web interface. Looks like the UI should not try to load all the pending members just for the sake of showing the number of pending requests. Of course in normal situations, there should not be that many pending requests.

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Re: Mails for 1 specific mailinglist not being send and looping in out queue
by Eric Broens Jan. 14, 2021

Jan. 14, 2021

In my mailclient it looks like the LF's have been removed. I'll attach the log extracts to make them better readable. Best Regards, Eric On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 02:17:18 PM GMT+1, Eric Broens <ebroens(a)yahoo.com> wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Eric Broens via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021, 02:14:42 PM GMT+1Subject: [MM3-users] Mails for 1 specific mailinglist not being send and looping in out queue For some reason, the mail for 1 specific mailinglist doesn't get distributed. It worked fine before, and no changes have been made.The mailman3 debug log shows that mailman keeps attempting to distribute the mail. The mailman3 error log show that there is a connection failure to port 25. A tcpdump however shows that there are *NO* further connection attempts on port 25 (postfix) to distribute this mail. Also after stopping and starting mailman3 again, no further connection attempts to the mailserver (postfix) are being made for this mail. Using qfile, the pck file of this mail looks fine. New emails on this specific mailinglist are not distributed either. For all other mailinglists on this server, and which are on the same domain, there are no problems. Does anyone know how to get this mailinglist functioning properly again, and what is causing this issue? Below are the relevant extracts from the log files for the particular case. mailman smtp.log: Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 51752)Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) handling connectionJan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'LHLO ****'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<****@****>'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) sender: *****@*****Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'RCPT TO:<*****@*****>'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) recip: ******@********Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'DATA'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'QUIT'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) connection lost... Message has been archived properly, mailmansuite.logINFO 2021-01-09 12:01:00,277 1164814 hyperkitty.views.mailman Archived message <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> to *** mailman error.logJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) Cannot connect to SMTP server 127.0.0.1 on port 25 mailman debug.log Jan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: validate-authenticityJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: mime-deleteJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: taggerJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: member-recipientsJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: avoid-duplicatesJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanseJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanse-dkimJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cook-headersJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: subject-prefixJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: rfc-2369Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-archiveJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-digestJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-usenetJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: after-deliveryJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: acknowledgeJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: dmarcJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: arc-signJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-outgoingJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] finishing filebase: 1610190058.1544778+e952a743e8df115e8fff9c60f98b189d4800e7e6Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] doing periodicJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] committing transactionJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] checking short circuitJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 1Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571674) [VirginRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571674) [VirginRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571669) [NNTPRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571669) [NNTPRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571675) [DigestRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571675) [DigestRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1610190059.1591551+dcfcb22d5156b0a4d4267eabf83c5bb68f945e41Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] processing filebase: 1610190059.1079752+2644b9a3eab17d52203a2c2648a1db5ff146eb6dJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571666) [CommandRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571666) [CommandRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] finishing filebase: 1610190059.1591551+dcfcb22d5156b0a4d4267eabf83c5bb68f945e41Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] doing periodicJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] committing transactionJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] checking short circuitJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] ending oneloop: 1Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1610190060.1351898+91420b755194277d1236a36b6e2195eff547c8b0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>......Jan 09 14:06:30 2021 (1601275) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f038df80ea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>... Thanks in advance,Eric _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

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Header Filter madness
by Brian Carpenter Jan. 14, 2021

Jan. 14, 2021

I have a client whose header filters seemed to have stop working. No matter what I try, it seems none of their header filters are being applied. Other lists on the same server that use header filters, are working fine. This particular header is the subject header. I can duplicate their problem but only with their list. If I create the exact same header on a test list using the exact same subject line, the header filter does its job (moderate). Just not with this one list. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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The future is here?
by ieso＠johnwillson.com Jan. 9, 2021

Jan. 9, 2021

In my quest to figure out how even us idiots can successfully install a mailman3 server, I keep looking ways to reduce the process to the simplest possible set of instructions. So far, I haven't been doing very well with that, but I've been learning a ton. In particular, while I still haven't got a fully functioning mailman3 server yet, someone pointed me, off list, to Ansible, which I wasn't aware of before and which has completely blown me away by its power and simplicity. For those who aren't aware of it, it's an agentless, multi-platform automation technology. For our purposes, it replaces "how to install mailman3" guides with a single script that aims to actually do the entire thing for you. One of the particularly interesting points is that you can write complex scripts/data structures (or 'collections') that allow for a single collection to cover a broad range of use cases, such as [this person's](https://github.com/rivimey/) exim Ansible collection, which covers 3 very different use cases from a private domain email relay up to a full multi-domain email handler with IMAP integration. I haven't quite got the mailman3 one working yet, but I've just started playing with it. Here are some pointers in case anyone else is interested in trying, and I'd be very interested in whether or not I'm actually the last person to discover this technology, and if one of these solutions succeeds in delivering mailman3 "out of the box". 1. [Install Ainsible](https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/installation_guide/intro_…, make sure you're on at least version 2.9, if not 2.10. Some distributions are still on 2.7, which is not compatible with more recent collections. The "Galaxy" collection is apparently only tested on Debian 10. 2. Pick your mailman3 Ansible collection of choice and install it (https://galaxy.ansible.com/ucr/mailman3, or https://github.com/rivimey/ansible-mailman3) Command to install official collection - ansible-galaxy install ucr.mailman3 3. Write playbook.yml with key variables (mailman3 example below) _________________________ mailman3-playbook.yml _________________________ - hosts: mailman3 vars: mailman3_domain: example.com # It will install and create a certificate using certbot, its nignx plugin and http validation (Public IP required). If false, it will install a self sign cert mailman3_install_certbot: true # install and create certificate # secrets, please change them mailman3_secret_key: "change_secretkey" mailman3_rest_api_pass: "change_api_pass" mailman3_archiver_key: "change_archiver_key" mailman3_db_pass: "change_db_pass" mailman3_web_db_pass: "change_web_db_pass" mailman3_web_admin_pass: "change_web_admin_pass" roles: - ucr.mailman3

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Mails for 1 specific mailinglist not being send and looping in out queue
by Eric Broens Jan. 9, 2021

Jan. 9, 2021

For some reason, the mail for 1 specific mailinglist doesn't get distributed. It worked fine before, and no changes have been made.The mailman3 debug log shows that mailman keeps attempting to distribute the mail.The mailman3 error log show that there is a connection failure to port 25.A tcpdump however shows that there are *NO* further connection attempts on port 25 (postfix) to distribute this mail.Also after stopping and starting mailman3 again, no further connection attempts to the mailserver (postfix) are being made for this mail.Using qfile, the pck file of this mail looks fine. New emails on this specific mailinglist are not distributed either.For all other mailinglists on this server, and which are on the same domain, there are no problems. Does anyone know how to get this mailinglist functioning properly again, and what is causing this issue?Below are the relevant extracts from the log files for the particular case. mailman smtp.log: Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 51752)Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) handling connectionJan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'LHLO ****'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<****@****>'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) sender: *****@*****Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'RCPT TO:<*****@*****>'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) recip: ******@********Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'DATA'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'QUIT'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) connection lost... Message has been archived properly, mailmansuite.logINFO 2021-01-09 12:01:00,277 1164814 hyperkitty.views.mailman Archived message <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> to *** mailman error.logJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) Cannot connect to SMTP server 127.0.0.1 on port 25 mailman debug.log Jan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: validate-authenticityJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: mime-deleteJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: taggerJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: member-recipientsJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: avoid-duplicatesJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanseJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanse-dkimJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cook-headersJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: subject-prefixJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: rfc-2369Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-archiveJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-digestJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-usenetJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: after-deliveryJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: acknowledgeJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: dmarcJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: arc-signJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-outgoingJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] finishing filebase: 1610190058.1544778+e952a743e8df115e8fff9c60f98b189d4800e7e6Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] doing periodicJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] committing transactionJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] checking short circuitJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 1Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571674) [VirginRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571674) [VirginRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571669) [NNTPRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571669) [NNTPRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571675) [DigestRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571675) [DigestRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1610190059.1591551+dcfcb22d5156b0a4d4267eabf83c5bb68f945e41Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] processing filebase: 1610190059.1079752+2644b9a3eab17d52203a2c2648a1db5ff146eb6dJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571666) [CommandRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571666) [CommandRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] finishing filebase: 1610190059.1591551+dcfcb22d5156b0a4d4267eabf83c5bb68f945e41Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] doing periodicJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] committing transactionJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] checking short circuitJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] ending oneloop: 1Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1610190060.1351898+91420b755194277d1236a36b6e2195eff547c8b0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>......Jan 09 14:06:30 2021 (1601275) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f038df80ea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>... Thanks in advance,Eric

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export and import database?
by Andreas Barth Jan. 4, 2021

Jan. 4, 2021

Hi, is there an recommended way to export and import all of the configuration in the database (so that I could change the database on import, i.e. not on database level)? Regards, Andi

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required cron entries?
by Andreas Barth Jan. 2, 2021

Jan. 2, 2021

Hi together, as I found some mails in queue/shunt, I thought who should be running them. On my (standard debian) reference system, there are no cron entries for mailman3 but only for mailman3-web. Looking in the source code, there is a ./cron/crontab.in.in however references to scripts in port_me/ directory. Should I (still) install (parts of) the crontab? Or are these functions handled elsewhere? Also, who picks up mails in queue/shunt? Or are they lost somehow? (Or did I miss the documentation somewhere?) Regards, Andi

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Syncing Real Name between user account and membership
by Andreas Barth Dec. 31, 2020

Dec. 31, 2020

Hi together, a user was mass-subscribed (with a wrong name) and now registered and changed his name via the web interface but the list entry is not changed. On looking further at that, I got to the following json outputs: curl -urest:pass http://localhost:8001/3.0/addresses/user@example.com/user { "created_on": "2020-11-26T15:43:24.928285", "is_server_owner": false, "self_link": "http://localhost:8001/3.0/users/123456", "user_id": 123456 "display_name": "Fixed Name", } curl -urest:pass http://localhost:8001/3.0/addresses/user@example.com { "email": "user(a)example.com", "original_email": "user(a)example.com" "registered_on": "2020-11-26T15:43:24.896405", "self_link": "http://localhost:8001/3.0/addresses/user@example.com", "display_name": "Broken Name", "verified_on": "2020-11-26T15:43:24.965784", "user": "http://localhost:8001/3.0/users/123456" } Should the fix of the name propagate? Or what would be the appropriate action here? Regards, Andi

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Upgrade to 3.3.2 fails
by Joel Lord Dec. 28, 2020

Dec. 28, 2020

I've just upgraded python to 3.7, so now I can upgrade mailman from 3.3.1 to 3.3.2. Take it down, "pip install --upgrade mailman", and try a "mailman info". It fails hard, and what I think are the important parts of the stack trace are: sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (pymysql.err.OperationalError) (1118, 'Row size too large. The maximum row size for the used table type, not counting BLOBs, is 8126. This includes storage overhead, check the manual. You have to change some columns to TEXT or BLOBs') [SQL: ALTER TABLE mailinglist ADD COLUMN archive_rendering_mode INTEGER] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/13/e3q8) Looks to me like the mailinglist table has been using awfully close to the default mysql max row length, and this added column pushes me over? Is there some other fix other than a terrifyingly gigantic process of dumping all my databases, changing my page size, and restoring them all? This DB server isn't serving just mailman... Thanks -- Joel Lord

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WEB UI fail to reply and create new thread
by Milan P. Stanić Dec. 23, 2020

Dec. 23, 2020

Hi, Alpine Linux is testing mailman3 as system for project mailing lists. We created docker-compose which can be seen here https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/infra/compose/mailman We installed it and run in testing system here https://lists-test.alpinelinux.org/hyperkitty/ Sending mail by mail clients works and mails are sent to subscribers properly. Most other 'things' works but we have problem with reply to posts and creating new threads using web ui. When replying to post with web ui it says that the everything is ok and post is sent but post doesn't arrive to mailing list. Same happens with creating new thread. Our debug says "KeyError: 'display_fixed'" but we are not sure what should be changed/fixed/set for this problem. Attached is excerpt from debug log. TIA, mps

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Docker Core Configuration "MUST" Documentation
by James Bowery Dec. 23, 2020

Dec. 23, 2020

The docker core configuration README says: "These are the variables that you MUST change before deploying:" Does this mean: "The following variables MUST be set in /opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg (on the host) to match the values in docker-compose.yaml before deploying:" ?

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Re: Equivalent Apache2 Directives for Those From the Docker Nginx Documentation?
by James Bowery Dec. 22, 2020

Dec. 22, 2020

Thanks. That configuration worked for me -- at least to the point that I got this in my apache error log, which means the proxy pass was working: [Sun Dec 20 22:45:02.548267 2020] [proxy:error] [pid 18049] (111)Connection refused: AH00957: uwsgi: attempt to connect to 172.19.199.3:8080 (172.19.199.3) failed [Sun Dec 20 22:45:02.548294 2020] [:error] [pid 18049] [client ....:59424] AH10101: failed to make connection to backend: 172.19.199.3:8080 On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:03 PM <matthew(a)alberti.us> wrote: > James, > This is what I put in my apache2 conf for the mailman virtual host: > > #Mailman3 Web Configuration > Alias /favicon.ico /opt/mailman/web/static/hyperkitty/img/favicon.ico > > Alias /static /opt/mailman/web/static > <Directory /opt/mailman/web/static> > Require all granted > </Directory> > > ProxyPassMatch ^/static ! > ProxyPassMatch ^/favicon.ico ! > ProxyPass / uwsgi://172.19.199.3:8080/ > > I don't believe I did anything to uwsgi's conf. One thing I did > notice is that the '/' on the end of the 'ProxyPass' command (last line) is > relevant. I think it didn't work right without it. > > I am interested to hear from others if that configuration is > complete. It works as far as I know. > > - Matt Alberti > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Bowery <jabowery(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:27 PM > To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > Subject: [MM3-users] Equivalent Apache2 Directives for Those From the > Docker > Nginx Documentation? > > The Docker documentation at: > > https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/#dependencies > > I've installed and enabled proxy_uwsgi for Apache and made a rough cut at a > configuration for the lists.* subdomain in question but it's failing. > > What follows are the document's Nginx directives for which I would greatly > appreciate the Apache2 equivalents. I'm attempting to move a mailing list > off of Yahoo groups onto my hosted server using an Apache2's virtual host > on > the 'lists' subdomain: > > Setting up your web server: > > # Nginx configuration. > > location / { > # First attempt to serve request as file, then > > proxy_pass http://172.19.199.3:8000; > include uwsgi_params; > uwsgi_read_timeout 300; > proxy_set_header Host $host; > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; > } > > uwsgi: > > # Nginx configuration. > > location / { > # First attempt to serve request as file, then > > uwsgi_pass 172.19.199.3:8080; > include uwsgi_params; > uwsgi_read_timeout 300; > } > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe > send > an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > >

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Message Sent to A Re-Created List Results In Error
by matthew＠alberti.us Dec. 17, 2020

Dec. 17, 2020

I created a list in the Postorius interface, used it, and then deleted it. A week or so later, I re-created the list, and things were fine thru the creation and subscription process. But when I sent a message to the list, a "550 user unknown" error was sent back. I tried to determine if this is a known issue by searching the issues in Gitlab; but didn't find anything. But wanted to ask if this was a known issue or not? Thanks. - Matt Alberti

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moderator cannot login to the list
by Gregory Edigarov Dec. 17, 2020

Dec. 17, 2020

Hello, I am using this mailman: GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.7.3 (default, Jul 25 2020, 13:03:44) I've imported some lists from mailman-2.1 using 'mailman import21' command. the import went fine, I am able to login into postorius as admin, and see all imported mail list data. but login as a moderator member of a list. I tried to reset moderator password via rest api. That doesn't help. how is that supposed to be done? thank you. -- With best regards, Gregory Edigarov

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Mailman automatic accept notification
by tambet.paide＠mkm.ee Dec. 16, 2020

Dec. 16, 2020

How can I configure mailman so that all the users in mailing list won't get automatic accept notification (uncaught bounce notification)? I'n mailman configure I cant find nothing about disabling bounce message. I'm using Mailman 3 and cat figure it out

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Handling of (un)subscribe mails for already (un)subscribed users
by Andreas Barth Dec. 15, 2020

Dec. 15, 2020

Hi, I noticed that a mail to -subscribe for an already subscribed user doesn't get any response (about line 225 in mailman/src/mailman/app/subscriptions.py). Same but different for unsubscribe for users not on the list. I'd need these kind of mails however in hope that users complain less. Would that be generally interessting, and if so, any special requirements for submitting patches, or should I just do that locally? Regards, Andi

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Equivalent Apache2 Directives for Those From the Docker Nginx Documentation?
by James Bowery Dec. 15, 2020

Dec. 15, 2020

The Docker documentation at: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/#dependencies I've installed and enabled proxy_uwsgi for Apache and made a rough cut at a configuration for the lists.* subdomain in question but it's failing. What follows are the document's Nginx directives for which I would greatly appreciate the Apache2 equivalents. I'm attempting to move a mailing list off of Yahoo groups onto my hosted server using an Apache2's virtual host on the 'lists' subdomain: Setting up your web server: # Nginx configuration. location / { # First attempt to serve request as file, then proxy_pass http://172.19.199.3:8000; include uwsgi_params; uwsgi_read_timeout 300; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } uwsgi: # Nginx configuration. location / { # First attempt to serve request as file, then uwsgi_pass 172.19.199.3:8080; include uwsgi_params; uwsgi_read_timeout 300; }

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Data too long for column 'data' in workflowstate
by Morris Jones Dec. 14, 2020

Dec. 14, 2020

I ran into this error attempting to add a user to a mailing list: (pymysql.err.DataError) (1406, "Data too long for column 'data' at row 1") [SQL: INSERT INTO workflowstate (token, step, data) VALUES (%(token)s, %(step)s, %(data)s)] [parameters: {'token': '7394fbf654b3faffc6a65eb95e0616eea6651b9e', 'step': 'do_confirm_verify', 'data': '{"pre_approved": false, "pre_confirmed": false, "pre_verified": false, "invitation": false, "address_key": "dorothyxxxxxxxx(a)gmail.com", "subscriber_key": 1, "user_key": "00201c01dcc443c3a0d8f6d1ea42e230", "token_owner_key": 1, "send_welcome_message": null}'}] In MySQL I see that column 'data' in workflowstate is VARCHAR(255), and the data in the query is 259 characters. If I have a moment I'll write a bug or patch ... but I'm not really current on schema migrations. Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

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Permission denied for /list:member:digest:header.txt
by Eric Broens Dec. 14, 2020

Dec. 14, 2020

Hi, despite mailman is running as mailman user and the required periodic jobs have all been created in crontab for the mailman user, a permission denied exception for the digest file has been logged in mailman.log: Dec 14 11:31:42 2020 (399913) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/...//list:member:digest:header.txt' The subdirectories and files of the templates subdirectory got the root owner and group: drwxr-xr-x. 3 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 12 17:58 templates drwxr-xr-x. 11 root root 4096 Dec 12 19:20 lists -rw-rw----. 1 root root 16 Dec 12 19:19 list:member:digest:header.txt How can this be avoided? Best Regards,Eric

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Importing config and archives only partially succeeded?
by Eric Broens Dec. 13, 2020

Dec. 13, 2020

Today I have migrated about 30 mailinglists from mailman 2.1 to mailman 3.3.2 & Hyperkitty 1.3.3. Although no error responses were given when importing the 2.1 pck files, and neither for importing the archives, for about half of the mailinglists the hyperkitty webpage doesn't show any subscribers, nor archived emails. The imported members and other settings are correctly shown in the postorius page. Is there anything that I can verify why the archive is not shown on the hyperkitty page?The hyperkitty_email database table does contain the emails. Thanks in advance,Eric

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troubleshooting hyperkitty
by Morris Jones Dec. 10, 2020

Dec. 10, 2020

Working on a new installation -- lists seem to be working in terms of distributing postings. But none of the postings are appearing in an archive yet. I created a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file in /opt/mailman/var/etc/. It has a base_url for the "hyperkitty installation," and I'm not sure where that's supposed to be. The comment says "This address will be used by Mailman to forward incoming emails to Hyperkitty for archiving." I set base_url to http://mailman.whiteoaks.com/hyperkitty (changing "localhost" from the example). It redirects to https:, I set new secret keys here and in mailman.cfg. No new posts appear, and nothing archive related shows up in mailman's log. The mailman qcluster is running. The runner=archive job is running. Can someone suggest a troubleshooting strategy? Best regards, Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

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Hyperkitty Recommended mySQL Database Setup & Archive Importing
by matthew＠alberti.us Dec. 10, 2020

Dec. 10, 2020

Hi, I've been working for quite a while to setup a production mailman3. Using the docker containers, I have been pretty successful getting it to work. Part of the challenge now is that there are a lot of issues when importing archives from mailman2. This of course is more common on lists that are over 10 years old. From what I've been reading, it seems like Mailman3 expects the mysql database to use UTF8 encoding. It appears, by default, that when using the docker-mailman containers, that the character set is set to latin1. This may explain why there are lots of import errors, and maybe also why there are a lot of errors when threads are deleted in hyperkitty's UI. Is it the case that UTF8 is the preferred character set? I also saw some threads indicating that maybe utf8mb4 is more preferred. I'd like to try to change the character_set on the database, if that is advisable. Also, is Hyperkitty 1.3.4 officially released? I see that the list.org instance is using it, but the latest announce I've seen is for 1.3.3. Thanks. - Matt Alberti

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Version mismatch
by Andrew Bernard Dec. 9, 2020

Dec. 9, 2020

In the annoucement mail, the new version is - Mailman Core 3.3.0 (Tom Swayer) but on my webpage I see: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.0 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3 (default, Apr 3 2019, 05:39:12) [GCC 8.3.0] Why is the version name from the previous release? is my setup wrong? [There are so many issues I keep reporting here about Mailman that get no response that I wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong with my site.] Andrew

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Message moderatin without login
by Michael Lorenzen Dec. 8, 2020

Dec. 8, 2020

Hi, are there any plans to allow message moderation without having to login to posterious? I am very pleased with the new web interface and the rest api, but i miss the ability to moderate messages either by mail, with different reply addresses to discard, reject or accept hold messages or by html links with one time codes to achieve the same. I tried to reply on the mail attachment with the confirm ... subject, but that did not seem to work (neither reject nor accept with approved: placed into the first line of the mail). Best regards, Michael

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Moderated Signup with "info" box?
by chris＠zimmerman.to Dec. 8, 2020

Dec. 8, 2020

Hi all, we have a mailman deployment that we are using for a private neighborhood community board. We have the list setup for moderated approval signup. The trouble is, when someone signs up, we only get a request with their email address. I would like to be able to use the web form, but have a "notes" field that would get submitted with the signup request. the notes field would be where the user would note name/home address. So when one of our moderators get the request, they can figure out quick who the request is coming from. Can anyone provide some guidance or assistance on how to make that happen?

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Spam getting in for moderated list
by Quanah Gibson-Mount Dec. 6, 2020

Dec. 6, 2020

I have a list that has the following settings: List members -> Hold: This holds the message for approval by the list moderators. Non-subscribers -> Silent discard And yet, spam emails from a spammer that signed up to the list are going straight through and being delivered. Is this a known bug in mailman 3.2.1? Example: <https://lists.openldap.org/hyperkitty/list/openldap-bugs@openldap.org/threa…> It even has this list header: X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: member-moderation and version is X-Mailman-Version: 3.2.1 I think it was sent via the web interface? User-Agent: HyperKitty on https://lists.openldap.org/ I checked the settings for this subscribed spam user, and it specifically says "list default" for moderation, so it should have been moderated. Thanks, Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

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mailman-suite scheduled tasks
by Eric Broens Dec. 6, 2020

Dec. 6, 2020

Hi, The documentation https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html includes a section on scheduled tasks that need to be included in cron. "runjobs" seems to be available only from "manage.py". Do these scheduled tasks need to be executed from the python virtual environment?If so, is there a way to do that directly from cron, or should I create a script for these tasks which can be called from by cron? Best Regards,Eric

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Server name in new account confirmation email
by Meehan, John Dec. 3, 2020

Dec. 3, 2020

Hi, when someone creates a new account (Sign Up), an email is sent to them to confirm their email address. It has the form below. Does anyone know how I can change the server name in the URL (From server.example.com to something else)? I have an SSL proxy server that I want to direct users through. Thanks. - John Hello from example.com! You're receiving this e-mail because user johndoe has given yours as an e-mail address to connect their account. To confirm this is correct, go to https://server.example.com/accounts/confirm-email/Mg:1kkdMg:i4i4ycbBdukoSMd… Thank you from example.com! example.com

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mailman3 OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION option
by Henry S Dec. 3, 2020

Dec. 3, 2020

I am trying to change email "To" field to user's email instead of mailing list's email. e.g. "To: <user(a)gmail.com>" instead of "To: <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>" I looked around old mailman configs they mentioned about adding OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION option in mm_cfg.py is this feature still available in mailman3 ? Can I do it via Postorius or REST API? Thanks.

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Initial success: Mailman 3.3 integrated with Zimbra 8.8
by Morris Jones Dec. 2, 2020

Dec. 2, 2020

I have a very old existing mail server running Zimbra 6 with a mailman 2.1 instance alongside. I needed to rebuild my mail server for some compelling reasons (the old server used outdated TLS protocol, I could no longer compile clamav, nothing could really be updated). The final straw was a lack of support for my old commercial SSL certificates. I patched in a letsencrypt certificate to get through the past six months. I'm in the process of commissioning a new mail server using an 8GB Linode, Ubuntu 18, Zimbra 8.8, and Mailman 3.3. A couple of days ago I had my first successful list creation, with user confirmation working by email. I have django running with uwsgi, and am using Zimbra's installed nginx proxy to reverse proxy http traffic to Postorius and Hyperkitty. Nginx is doing the SSL layer. The mailman core mta hooks are all done using Zimbra's "local configuration" technique. In theory I should be able to do Zimbra upgrades with a minimum of hassle. I've written up a "case history" of how it came together. I have a .rst file in a gitlab project here: https://gitlab.com/MojoLA/mailman3.3-zimbra-8.8-integration I suppose this is a crazy project, but it's worthwhile to me. (Mark, thank's so much for integrating the virtual domain maps. It took me about three days to recognize that they were the solution to bounced mails to list-owner@...) Now I can spend some time migrating my email accounts (only four) from the old server to the new one, and move a dozen or so mailing lists to the new mailman3 instance. I'll have to get accustomed to a new way to manage the mail lists, and already really like what I've seen. Thank you. :) Best regards, Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

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Mailmansuite.log Entries
by Brian Carpenter Dec. 2, 2020

Dec. 2, 2020

I see the following log entries in mailmansuite.log: INFO 2020-11-28 00:00:52,242 29142 hyperkitty.lib.mailman 2117 emails left to refresh, checked 1000 INFO 2020-11-28 00:01:00,600 29142 hyperkitty.lib.mailman 2117 emails left to refresh, checked 2000 INFO 2020-11-29 00:00:52,135 15513 hyperkitty.lib.mailman 2117 emails left to refresh, checked 1000 INFO 2020-11-29 00:01:00,192 15513 hyperkitty.lib.mailman 2117 emails left to refresh, checked 2000 INFO 2020-11-30 00:00:52,484 22622 hyperkitty.lib.mailman 2117 emails left to refresh, checked 1000 INFO 2020-11-30 00:01:00,758 22622 hyperkitty.lib.mailman 2117 emails left to refresh, checked 2000 INFO 2020-12-01 00:00:50,246 11946 hyperkitty.lib.mailman 2117 emails left to refresh, checked 1000 INFO 2020-12-01 00:00:59,688 11946 hyperkitty.lib.mailman 2117 emails left to refresh, checked 2000 I assume this is a result of importing archives from a MM2 mbox file. This happen months ago however. Why are these entries still showing up? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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12/24 hour clock ?
by Per Jessen Nov. 28, 2020

Nov. 28, 2020

Hi all at openSUSE we have recently migrated to mailman3, and we seem to be having a couple of teething issues: a) hyperkitty and postorius both seem to insist on using a 12 hour clock format, no matter what the user has set. Is there a way of changing it system-wide ? b) overriding the default set of footers - despite having set the template "list:member:regular:footer" to empty for a specific list, I am still getting the default footers attached. We are using version 1.3.3. thanks Per Jessen

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No styling for web apps?
by Morris Jones Nov. 27, 2020

Nov. 27, 2020

I have most of a new mailman suite server built and working ... collectstatic gathered a good array of static files (uncompressed so far) nginx appears to be serving them successfully The Firefox developer tools show css and js files all being delivered But none of the postorius or hyperkitty pages exhibit any styling at all, only bare HTML elements. The Firefox inspector will show the available styles being requested and delivered (style.css, bootstrap, jquery, all the things). But if I use the inspector to look at the page, nothing has any CSS properties. I know I'm missing something simple. (Happy Thanksgiving!) Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

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where is manage.py for migration?
by Dan Langille Nov. 26, 2020

Nov. 26, 2020

Hello, I am following https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html and I'm trying to "Migrate the list archives from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3 by running the following command": [mailman@mailman ~]$ python manage.py hyperkitty_import -l biking(a)lists.example.org /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/biking.mbox python: can't open file 'manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory Is the documentation correct? I cannot locate manage.py in the code: $ git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman.git Cloning into 'mailman'... ... $ cd mailman/ $ find . -name manage.py $ Am I doing this wrong? Thank you. -- Dan Langille dan(a)langille.org

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mailman 3.3.2 config file location
by Eric Broens Nov. 25, 2020

Nov. 25, 2020

Hi, I am trying to install Mailman 3.3.2 in a python virtual environment, and don't understand why the following is happening.When executing "mailman info", it shows that "the config file is located in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg as is intended, hence "outside" the virtual environment. However, after having started mailman, and running "mailman info" again, the default (empty) config files seems to be created in the directory where mailman has been started:config file: /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/var/etc/mailman.cfg This happens even when mailman is started with the option "-C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg".Does this mean that the config file needs to be located in a subdirectory of python's virtual environment? (venv) [root@test-vps mailman-suite_project]# mailman infoGNU Mailman 3.3.2 (Tom Sawyer)Python 3.6.8 (default, Apr 16 2020, 01:36:27)[GCC 8.3.1 20191121 (Red Hat 8.3.1-5)]config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfgdb url: mysql+pymysql://*****:*****@localhost/mailman?charset=utf8&use_unicode=1devmode: DISABLEDREST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/REST credentials: restadmin:restpass (venv) [root@test-vps mailman-suite_project]# mailman startStarting Mailman's master runnerGenerating MTA alias maps (venv) [root@test-vps mailman-suite_project]# mailman infoGNU Mailman 3.3.2 (Tom Sawyer)Python 3.6.8 (default, Apr 16 2020, 01:36:27)[GCC 8.3.1 20191121 (Red Hat 8.3.1-5)]config file: /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/var/etc/mailman.cfgdb url: sqlite:////opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/var/data/mailman.dbdevmode: DISABLEDREST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/REST credentials: restadmin:restpass Thanks,Eric

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Welcome Message
by brian＠emwd.com Nov. 25, 2020

Nov. 25, 2020

Is it possible for a list admin to modify the welcome message for a list via Postorius? Is the process: 1. Log into Postorious 2. Click on the Templates tab. 3. Select New Template. 4. Select "The notice sent to a member when they are subscribed to the mailing list" 5. Add your text and click the save button. Is the correct process? I am using the latest Docker release of Mailman 3.

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Mailman automatic accept notification
by tambet.paide＠mkm.ee Nov. 25, 2020

Nov. 25, 2020

How can I configure mailman so that all the users in mailing list won't get automatic accept notification (uncaught bounce notification)? I'm using Mailman 3 and cat figure it out

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Mailman Core 3.3.2 is now out
by Abhilash Raj Nov. 25, 2020

Nov. 25, 2020

Hi Everyone, I am pleased to announce that with a week long delay from the planned date, GNU Mailman Core 3.3.2 is now finally out. This release includes both bug fixes and some new features. Some notable changes include: - Support for inviting users to join mailing lists. - New adddmembers, delmembers and syncmembers command to manage membership from CLI. - Addition of new REST API endpoints that return the count of held messages and subscription requests of much faster page loads in Postorius. - Addition of support for filtering in some API endpoints like Members and Subscription requests. - Support for address= option in email join command to subscribe an address other then sending address. - Addition of who email command to lookup memberships. - Expose emergency field for MailingList resource in REST API. - Several bug fixes to support new major version of libraries like dnspython, flufl.* etc. You can install it using: $ pip install --upgrade mailman The tarball for the release is available at PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/ Finally, many thanks to all the contributors who have helped make this release a success! -- Abhilash Raj (maxking) on behalf of Mailman Core team

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Moderation not working?
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au Nov. 24, 2020

Nov. 24, 2020

Hi Folks, Running a shiny new instance of mailman3, as per the Debian package (version 3.2.2) but the moderation doesn't seem to work. WE got hit by a heap of spammers overnight, even though the 'hold for moderation' bit is set for non-members (and now for members too). Emails seem just to get straight through. Any advice on how to debug this? Would upgrading to a later version using pip help? Peter C

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How to strip DKIM headers on a domain level or a list level
by Stephen J. Turnbull Nov. 24, 2020

Nov. 24, 2020

Rob Jenson writes: > I need to strip DKIM headers on the inbound messages to my list or > to my domain. Why do you need to strip DKIM headers? The standard specifies that an invalid DKIM signature must be treated the same as if there were no signature at all. So an invalid DKIM signature may be treated as spammier than a message with a valid signature, but that should not be treated differently from an unsigned message (as would appear after removing those header fields). I know this feature is in demand from list admins, but I've never seen convincing evidence that it's actually effective for any of the usual suspects (Yahoo!, AOL, Gmail), only for small domains with pigheaded admins who are proud of their non-conforming configurations, and announce that they are discarding messages which have invalid DKIM signatures. > What I do not understand from the documentation for Mailman 3 Core > is whether it is possible for my hosting service to set > remove_dkim_headers just for our domain. It currently is not possible. It probably could be made possible on a per-domain or per-list basis, but it's not clear to me why it would be useful to do so. If there really are non-conforming receivers out there, it's probably a good idea to strip host-wide. > If that is not possible, then the question becomes "is there a way, > in the list configuration, to strip the DKIM headers? It is possible, but that requires changing the list's processing pipeline to add that capability. I believe this is not difficult (I haven't done similar changes with Mailman 3 yet) but it does require the assistance of the host, and possibly imposes a future maintenance burden on the host. > We are munging the text of the message in Mailman, so the DKIM > headers from the original poster are invalid. As I explained above, both DKIM and DMARC are specified so that "no signature" == "invalid signature" for the purposes of spam processing. Are you sure that Yahoo! (or any other provider used by your subscribers) is treating invalid signatures differently from absence of signatures? The person responsible for Yahoo! MTA configuration is a well-known mail security expert who participated actively in the specification of all these protocols (and she also gave me a kitten, so I may be biased). > As far as I can see, our service provider is using ARC in our > Mailman configuration, but not signing the outbound messages with > DKIM. That surprises me. ARC isn't really a substitute for the MTA's own DKIM signature, at least not yet. > Therefore the DKIM signature from the poster's mail service > provider is sent out with their DKIM header, which seems to be > problematic. It shouldn't be. > If I understand ARC correctly, it is validating the DKIM signature > from the poster, creating a new signature and metadata indicating > that what it received was properly signed. That is correct. As far as I know, Yahoo! does participate in the ARC protocol and used to have conforming implementations of DKIM and DMARC. That doesn't mean you get a free ride: they may still have your IP on a blacklist from former owners of the IP, for example. Or your posts may "look like" spam for some other reason, or your lists may need more time to build up a clean reputation. But I need evidence more convincing than "list posts are recognized as spam" to believe that removing DKIM headers will help. (For example, my employer's filters regularly recognize messages from department heads as spam, even with DKIM signatures intact. ;-)

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Re: mailman 3.3.2 config file location
by Eric Broens Nov. 24, 2020

Nov. 24, 2020

Apparently I lost the "layout:" config setting which defaults to [paths.here]. Best Regards,Eric

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installation
by Christian Stalberg Nov. 24, 2020

Nov. 24, 2020

I am working through installing mailman3 on Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS / apache 2.4.41 / postfix 3.4.13 and have a couple of questions. I've installed Django, cloned the mailman-suite repo, installed and tested apache with Mod_wsgi [ according to https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-with-python-mod-wsgi-on-ubuntu-20-04/ ] and it worked fine. Now I am at 'Setting up a WSGI' server in the MM3 instructions where it says I am to configure uwsgi.ini file. Does that .ini file go in /opt/mailman/mailman where other .ini files reside? In setting up the apache virtual server [ according to https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/deployment.html?highl ight=apache#apache-with-mod-wsgi ] I do not find a postorius.wsgi which WSGIScriptAlias points to. Thank you! ~Christian

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mailman services under systemd
by Morris Jones Nov. 22, 2020

Nov. 22, 2020

First post, I'm building a new mail server as my tired old server can no longer meet security requirements. (It's long overdue.) I see where Torge Riedel is running the mailman service under systemd, but I'm having trouble doing that. I don't see a mailman option that doesn't detach as a daemon. Did I miss something? Anyone have a systemd service example I might pilfer? Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA [1]BridgeMojo [2]Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers [3]Mojo's Blog References 1. http://bridgemojo.com/ 2. http://otastro.org/ 3. http://mojo.whiteoaks.com/

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Reply w/Email Clients - From: vs. Reply-To:
by j＠manygoodideas.com Nov. 20, 2020

Nov. 20, 2020

I'm setting up a new list, and a number of new list members are reporting a problem with replying to the thread. Their email clients seem to ignore the Reply-To: field and instead use from From: field. When they use Reply All, the email is addressed to both the From: and Reply-To:. Reading through previous threads here, I've tried a number of things: 1) DMARC mitigation action is "Replace From: with list address" 2) For Alter Messages - Set "Reply goes to list" The goal is that we want a reply to go to the list, not the person posting. Since Reply-To seems to be ignored by some clients, I'm hoping there's a way to force the "From" field to become the list address. Thanks in advance for your suggestions!

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mailman-suite: Error 500 on Lists /setting/ pages
by ljsbw-it＠riseup.net Nov. 20, 2020

Nov. 20, 2020

I just installed Mailman3 (mailman-suite) on my Server following these instructions: https://lab.uberspace.de/guide_mailman-3.html and everything works fine so far. I can create lists, subscribe people and send mails through lists but when I click the settings button and get redirected to /postorius/lists/listname/settings/ i get an Error 500 message. I couldn't find anything in the logs except the uwsgi log: [pid: 20568|app: 0|req: 62/62] 100.64.115.1 () {48 vars in 1052 bytes} [Wed Nov 18 16:27:59 2020] GET /postorius/lists/listname/settings/ => generated 1102 bytes in 1438 msecs (HTTP/1.1 500) 6 headers in 209 bytes (1 switches on core 0)

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Moderation for nested mailing lists
by peterbw＠gmail.com Nov. 20, 2020

Nov. 20, 2020

Hi Everyone, I have a list that has other mailing lists as members. When a non-member posts to this list I receive a moderation message. After approving the moderation message I then receive a lot of other moderation messages for the sub-lists that are members of the "top-most" list (since the non-member is not a member of any of the sub-lists). Is there any way to approve a message for moderation once and have all sub-lists automatically approve the message? Thanks for your help with this and have a nice day! Peter

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How can I allow members of list A to post to List B and vice versa
by mario.mailman3＠frese.online Nov. 19, 2020

Nov. 19, 2020

Hi, I am trying to setup Mailman3 for our school. There I have several groups (teachers, parents) that have their own mailling lists. But it also should be possible that the parents can sent mails to the teachers list and vice versa. The manual management via the non-members list will be very inconvenient and the command-line options that I saw so far do not include the import of non-members (mailman syncmembers and mailman addmembers). The best option I would like to have is to enter the name of List A in the non-members of List B an vice versa. All those nonmembers should not need to be moderated. How can I manage this? I would be very glad for your ideas. Best Mario

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Customising hyperkitty and postorius
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au Nov. 19, 2020

Nov. 19, 2020

Hi, I've put up a mailman3 instance, with hyperkitty enabled, and imported all my mailman2.1 archives -- it all seems to be working. How do I now customise the look and feel of my site? In particular, I'd like to render archived emails with a monospace font, and I'd like to change the colour scheme and styles of all the pages to match other pages on the same website. Peter C

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Dealing with confirmation requests for unsubscribes
by Brian Carpenter Nov. 18, 2020

Nov. 18, 2020

Hello List, I ran into the following issue for some mailman 3 lists that I am hosting: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/768 Since there is no way for a list owner to deal with a moderation request for an unsubscription task, I assume I need to do something via the command line. This is where I need some help with. How do I deal with these moderation requests that are unable to be reviewed in an admin gui (Postorius/Affinity)? I do recommend removing such choices for Postorius for Member policy. I will be doing this for Affinity until issue 768 is resolved. Thanks! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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KeyError: 'subject_prefix'
by Torge Riedel Nov. 18, 2020

Nov. 18, 2020

Hi, today I had the following error in my inbox: KeyError: 'subject_prefix' AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'subject_prefix' I checked the database, there is a column "subject_prefix", so I feel it is something in the code causing the error. It's mailman 3.3.1 and I don't see a fix for such an error in the Changes of 3.3.2 Kind regards Torge Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 119, in __getattr__ return self._get(name) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 86, in _get raise KeyError(key) KeyError: 'subject_prefix' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py", line 197, in update_from_mailman value = getattr(mm_list, propname) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 124, in __getattr__ self.__class__.__name__, name)) AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'subject_prefix' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_extensions/management/commands/runjobs.py", line 36, in runjobs job().execute() File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/jobs/sync_mailman.py", line 36, in execute sync_with_mailman() File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/mailman.py", line 132, in sync_with_mailman mlist.update_from_mailman() File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py", line 199, in update_from_mailman value = mm_list.settings[propname] File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 146, in __getitem__ return self._get(key) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 88, in _get return self.rest_data[key] File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 74, in rest_data response, content = self._connection.call(self._url) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 112, in call error_msg, response, None) urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: <html> <head> <title>Internal Server Error</title> </head> <body> <h1><p>Internal Server Error</p></h1> </body> </html> ERROR OCCURED IN DAILY JOB: sync_mailman (APP: hyperkitty) START TRACEBACK: END TRACEBACK

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Templates
by Odhiambo Washington Nov. 18, 2020

Nov. 18, 2020

Hello good people, So today I decided that I should be looking at MM3 to see how far it can take me. I started from the templates and created one for a footer for non-digest messages. When I sent a test mail to the list I am using for testing, the following errors popped up: --- Logging error --- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/model/template.py", line 110, in get contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 39, in get response.raise_for_status() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/requests-2.24.0-py3.7.egg/requests/models.py", line 941, in raise_for_status raise HTTPError(http_error_msg, response=self) requests.exceptions.HTTPError: 404 Client Error: Not Found for url: http://localhost:8000/mm3/mailman3/api/templates/list/kictanet-2.lists.kict… During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/core/logging.py", line 76, in emit msg = self.format(record) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 869, in format return fmt.format(record) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 611, in format s = self.formatMessage(record) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 580, in formatMessage return self._style.format(record) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 422, in format return self._fmt % record.__dict__ KeyError: 't' Call stack: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.3b1', 'console_scripts', 'runner')()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click-7.1.2-py3.7.egg/click/core.py", line 829, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click-7.1.2-py3.7.egg/click/core.py", line 782, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click-7.1.2-py3.7.egg/click/core.py", line 1066, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click-7.1.2-py3.7.egg/click/core.py", line 610, in invoke return callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click-7.1.2-py3.7.egg/click/decorators.py", line 21, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 188, in main runner.run() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/core/runner.py", line 134, in run filecnt = self._one_iteration() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 86, in deliver refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/mta/base.py", line 167, in deliver callback(mlist, message_copy, msgdata_copy) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/mta/decorating.py", line 32, in decorate decorator.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/handlers/decorate.py", line 264, in process process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/handlers/decorate.py", line 89, in process footer = decorate('list:member:regular:footer', mlist, d) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/handlers/decorate.py", line 226, in decorate template = getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get(name, mlist, **extradict) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/model/template.py", line 189, in get name, lookup_context, **substitutions) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/model/template.py", line 118, in get actual_uri, auth.get('auth', '<no authorization>'))) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 1413, in exception self.error(msg, *args, exc_info=exc_info, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 1407, in error self._log(ERROR, msg, args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 1514, in _log self.handle(record) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 1524, in handle self.callHandlers(record) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 1586, in callHandlers hdlr.handle(record) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 894, in handle self.emit(record) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/core/logging.py", line 85, in emit self.handleError(record) Message: 'Cannot retrieve template at http://localhost:8000/mm3/mailman3/api/templates/list/kictanet-2.lists.kict… (<no authorization>)' Arguments: () I am unable to guess the cause of this. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

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warning: database postfix_domains.db is older than source file postfix_domains
by Torge Riedel Nov. 15, 2020

Nov. 15, 2020

Hi, I frequently get this warning mail.log. stat'ing the files give: # stat /opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_domains File: /opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_domains Size: 361 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 4096 regular file Device: 801h/2049d Inode: 1573095 Links: 1 Access: (0660/-rw-rw----) Uid: ( 1004/ mailman) Gid: ( 1002/ mailman) Access: 2020-10-24 19:52:16.887258326 +0200 Modify: 2020-10-20 07:09:48.792000000 +0200 Change: 2020-10-20 07:09:48.792000000 +0200 Birth: - # stat /opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_domains.db File: /opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_domains.db Size: 12288 Blocks: 24 IO Block: 4096 regular file Device: 801h/2049d Inode: 1583965 Links: 1 Access: (0640/-rw-r-----) Uid: ( 1004/ mailman) Gid: ( 1002/ mailman) Access: 2020-10-26 07:46:54.569935782 +0100 Modify: 2020-10-20 07:09:47.575889000 +0200 Change: 2020-10-20 07:09:47.575889000 +0200 Birth: - I do not have the feeling that this is really a problem, cause everything works well. But it is confusing and misleading and might makes me missing a problem in the future, when the database is really outdated. Could this be easily fixed in mailman? It's mailman core 3.3.1. Kind regards Torge

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MIMEDefang to fix footers
by Ryan Morash Nov. 15, 2020

Nov. 15, 2020

Does anyone know how to use MIMEDefang to fix the footer as attachment issue when using Mailman3? I've seen several guides/scripts referring to its use with Mailman2, but I'm unsure of how they would match with Mailman 3. Other ways of fixing this issue are also welcome. Ryan Morash IT Support Technician Questar III BOCES Confidential Transmission This correspondence is confidential and may contain privileged materials or information. It is intended for the use of the addressee only and all others are prohibited from copying or disseminating this message or its contents. If you have received this transmission in error, delete it immediately and notify the sender.

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Hyperkitty Error Curiosity
by Brian Carpenter Nov. 12, 2020

Nov. 12, 2020

Hello Everyone, There was a message sent to a list that could not be archived by Hyperkitty for the following reason: WARNING 2020-11-03 17:20:54,507 800 hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not archive the email with message-id '<67BEBD75-B3DC-45E3-9C2F-55482F811238(a)ispdomain.com>': A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters. It looks like there was a problem with the email message itself. What causes such an error? Thank you for any insight. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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digest summary heavily cluttered with hrml code
by Mohsen Masoudfar Nov. 11, 2020

Nov. 11, 2020

Hi, I am running Mailman 3.1.1 on Ubuntu 18.04. The user complains that the digest summary is cluttered with HTML code. I thought, I may fix it by: Members > {user} > Member options > Delivery mode set to [Plain Text Digest]. After setting the value and clicking [save changes], I tried to check the value by getting back to Members setting for the user, it shows the value as "Regular", which was the value before I tried to update it. Question 1: How may I be sure that the value is set, if it is set? Question 2: How may set it for all members of the list? Question 3: Is there a CLI way to do this? I tried "mailman members " command. But it seems not supporting this option. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks Mohsen

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members list in Postorius
by Peter Münster Nov. 10, 2020

Nov. 10, 2020

Hi, Where can I display the members list of a mailing list please? The setting of "Members List Visibility" is "Only mailing list members". So I guess that a member should be able to see the members list somewhere... I'm using Postorius 1.3.3 and Mailman 3.3.1. TIA for any help, -- Peter

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Mailman3 don't work if aliases are enabled
by Massimo Zappalà Nov. 9, 2020

Nov. 9, 2020

Hi everybody, Using the following postfix configuration file, email messages and mailing lists works fine with mailman3. But if I send an email to an alias, the message is not received. My main.cf alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases compatibility_level = 2 content_filter = amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024 inet_protocols = ipv4 local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp mailbox_size_limit = 0 message_size_limit = 20480000 milter_default_action = accept milter_protocol = 2 myhostname = glugct.catania.linux.it non_smtpd_milters = inet:localhost:12301 owner_request_special = no recipient_delimiter = + relay_domains = smtp_header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks smtp_mime_header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks smtp_tls_CApath = /etc/ssl/certs smtp_tls_cert_file = $smtpd_tls_cert_file smtp_tls_key_file = $smtpd_tls_key_file smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_use_tls = yes smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP smtpd_milters = inet:localhost:12301 smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, reject_unauth_destination, check_policy_service inet:[127.0.0.1]:10023, reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org, reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net, reject_rbl_client cbl.abuseat.org, permit smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot smtpd_tls_CApath = /etc/ssl/certs smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.catania.linux.it/fullchain.pem smtpd_tls_eecdh_grade = strong smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.catania.linux.it/privkey.pem smtpd_tls_security_level = may tls_preempt_cipherlist = yes transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp virtual_gid_maps = static:5000 virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_domains.cf virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp virtual_uid_maps = static:5000 #virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_emails.cf, mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf #virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My /etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_emails.cf user = postfix password = postfixpass hosts = 127.0.0.1 dbname = postfix query = SELECT email FROM users WHERE email='%s' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My /etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf user = postfix password = postfixpass hosts = 127.0.0.1 dbname = postfix query = SELECT destination FROM aliases WHERE source='%s' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My /etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_domains.cf user = postfix password = postfixpass hosts = 127.0.0.1 dbname = postfix query = SELECT 1 FROM domains WHERE domain='%s' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My /etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf user = postfix password = postfixpass hosts = 127.0.0.1 dbname = postfix query = SELECT 1 FROM users WHERE email='%s' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If I try to uncomment the last two rows in main.cf virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_emails.cf, mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf The aliases and email messeges works fine but the mailman3's mailinglist don't work. How can I solve this? Thank You in advance.

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Digest Formatting
by mailman＠manygoodideas.com Nov. 7, 2020

Nov. 7, 2020

It appears that a digest is formatted as: list:member:digest:masthead 1. Thread 1 ... N. Thread N foreach thread list:member:digest:header thread list:member:digest:footer A number of my testers are complaining about the formatting: 1) it's hard to visually identify each of the threads (the TOC numbers them, but the numbers aren't shown next to each thread, for example) and 2) it's hard for a novice to know how to reply to a digest thread I'm wondering how other admins have customized their digests to make them more useful. For example, if there was a way in list:member:digest:header to display a link to the archived thread, that would be a good start. list:member:digest:header could emit a horizontal line to separate each thread, but it would be nice to be able to show the number of the thread, etc. Yahoo! Groups used to send out HTML digests that had the thread titles nicely distinguished, live links to the thread, and links to Reply to sender, Reply to All, etc. Thanks for any suggestions!

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Member Issue Discovered
by Brian Carpenter Nov. 6, 2020

Nov. 6, 2020

Hi Everyone, If I subscribed to a MM3 list with barn(a)emwd.com with the name of Barn Quilter. It shows up in the member roster. So far, so good. I then unsubscribe barn(a)emwd.com. It no longer shows up in the member roster. So far so good. I then resubscribe barn(a)emwd.com with either no name or Barn User and it shows up in the member roster as barn(a)emwd.com with the name of Barn Quilter. Is this a known bug and has been fixed with the latest release? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Open Subscription Policy
by Brian Carpenter Nov. 5, 2020

Nov. 5, 2020

I have a question regarding the use of an open subscription policy. What is the reasoning behind such a policy? Is this something for an organization that runs a Mailman 3 instance on a private network? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Internal Server Error by Clicking on OrmQ Queue
by Stephan Krinetzki Nov. 4, 2020

Nov. 4, 2020

Dear list, on our Mailman 3 system we are hitting the following error by clicking a link to admin/django_q/ormq/: Server Error The Log prints: --- ERROR 2019-08-26 08:48:01,704 10311 django.request Internal Server Error: /admin/django_q/ormq/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/options.py", line 566, in get_field return self.fields_map[field_name] KeyError: 'task_id' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/utils.py", line 276, in lookup_field f = _get_non_gfk_field(opts, name) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/utils.py", line 307, in _get_non_gfk_field field = opts.get_field(name) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/options.py", line 568, in get_field raise FieldDoesNotExist("%s has no field named '%s'" % (self.object_name, field_name)) django.core.exceptions.FieldDoesNotExist: OrmQ has no field named 'task_id' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 35, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 158, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 156, in _get_response response = response.render() File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/response.py", line 106, in render self.content = self.rendered_content File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/response.py", line 83, in rendered_content content = template.render(context, self._request) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 175, in render return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 155, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 155, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 67, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 67, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/library.py", line 214, in render _dict = self.func(*resolved_args, **resolved_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/templatetags/admin_list.py", line 326, in result_list 'results': list(results(cl))} File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/templatetags/admin_list.py", line 302, in results yield ResultList(None, items_for_result(cl, res, None)) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/templatetags/admin_list.py", line 293, in __init__ super().__init__(*items) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/templatetags/admin_list.py", line 212, in items_for_result f, attr, value = lookup_field(field_name, result, cl.model_admin) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/utils.py", line 289, in lookup_field value = attr() File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/models.py", line 200, in task_id return self.task()['id'] File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/models.py", line 194, in task return SignedPackage.loads(self.payload) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 31, in loads serializer=PickleSerializer) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 38, in loads return serializer().loads(data) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 44, in loads return pickle.loads(data) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe2 in position 1: ordinal not in range(128) ERROR 2019-08-26 08:48:01,704 10311 django.request Internal Server Error: /admin/django_q/ormq/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/options.py", line 566, in get_field return self.fields_map[field_name] KeyError: 'task_id' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/utils.py", line 276, in lookup_field f = _get_non_gfk_field(opts, name) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/utils.py", line 307, in _get_non_gfk_field field = opts.get_field(name) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/options.py", line 568, in get_field raise FieldDoesNotExist("%s has no field named '%s'" % (self.object_name, field_name)) django.core.exceptions.FieldDoesNotExist: OrmQ has no field named 'task_id' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 35, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 158, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 156, in _get_response response = response.render() File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/response.py", line 106, in render self.content = self.rendered_content File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/response.py", line 83, in rendered_content content = template.render(context, self._request) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 175, in render return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 155, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 155, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 67, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 67, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/library.py", line 214, in render _dict = self.func(*resolved_args, **resolved_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/templatetags/admin_list.py", line 326, in result_list 'results': list(results(cl))} File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/templatetags/admin_list.py", line 302, in results yield ResultList(None, items_for_result(cl, res, None)) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/templatetags/admin_list.py", line 293, in __init__ super().__init__(*items) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/templatetags/admin_list.py", line 212, in items_for_result f, attr, value = lookup_field(field_name, result, cl.model_admin) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/utils.py", line 289, in lookup_field value = attr() File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/models.py", line 200, in task_id return self.task()['id'] File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/models.py", line 194, in task return SignedPackage.loads(self.payload) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 31, in loads serializer=PickleSerializer) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 38, in loads return serializer().loads(data) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 44, in loads return pickle.loads(data) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe2 in position 1: ordinal not in range(128) --- Any ideas how to see the complete queue an maybe delete some defunct entries?

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Change Default Settings
by Dieter Leupold Nov. 3, 2020

Nov. 3, 2020

Hi Team, I want to change default settings (like "welcome message" to set to no) for the lists to create. How can i do that? Thanks a lot Dieter Leupold

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Hyperkitty: usage of h2-tags
by Peter Münster Nov. 2, 2020

Nov. 2, 2020

Hi, Why does Hyperkitty use h2-tags for the last line before the signature please? Example: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Kind regards, -- Peter

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Subscription issue with ghost confirmations
by Brian Carpenter Nov. 1, 2020

Nov. 1, 2020

I have a list owner who had his subscription policy set to confirm. Apparently that was too hard for his list members to handle so he changed it to moderate only. If someone sent a subscription request that needed to be confirm, did not respond to it, and then tried subscribing again after the member policy changed to moderate, their 2nd subscription attempt still shows up in the confirmation queue. Is that normal behavior. My understanding is it is. Please let me know if I am wrong here. The real mystery here is when someone tried subscribing again (listname-subscribe@listdomain) hours after the subscription policy was changed to moderate and they still showed up in the confirm queue. How is that possible? I tested the list with two of my addresses and both showed up in the moderation queue as expected. As far as I can tell from the mailman logs, this was the person's first attempt at subscribing. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Internal Server Error on installing Mailman 3 using PIP
by Shashikanth Komandoor Oct. 28, 2020

Oct. 28, 2020

Dear Mark, As you have suggested in my earlier issue, I have implemented the latest stable version of mailman 3 through the URL https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… . But after the installation through the above URL, when I tried running the command *elinks http://localhost:8000/postorius/lists <http://localhost:8000/postorius/lists>* or *elinks http://localhost:8000/admin <http://localhost:8000/admin>*, I got the error as *Internal Server Error*. I don't find any specific log in mailman.log or in mailmansuite.log. Is there any way to solve this issue ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'
by Shashikanth Komandoor Oct. 28, 2020

Oct. 28, 2020

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.2rc2 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.9 version with default values. As of now, we don't have any lists and just installed software components only. After the installation and configuration, I have tried creating the domains and lists. I was successful in creating them but when I tried to login and browse the lists using LDAP authentication, I am getting the "Mailman REST API not available. Restart Mailman core". I see the below trace in the mailmansuite.log. *Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 119, in __getattr__ return self._get(name) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 86, in _get raise KeyError(key)KeyError: 'get_requests_count'During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/var/lib/mailman/postorius/src/postorius/views/generic.py", line 74, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 97, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/var/lib/mailman/postorius/src/postorius/views/list.py", line 311, in get return render(request, 'postorius/lists/summary.html', data) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 19, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 62, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/library.py", line 234, in render return t.render(new_context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 173, in render return self._render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 309, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 309, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 986, in render output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 697, in resolve new_obj = func(obj, *arg_vals) File "/var/lib/mailman/postorius/src/postorius/templatetags/nav_helpers.py", line 80, in pending_subscriptions return mlist.get_requests_count(token_owner='moderator') File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 124, in __getattr__ self.__class__.__name__, name))AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'ERROR 2020-10-25 19:29:46,101 835 django.server "GET /postorius/lists/mailteamhyd.dlist.nic.in/ <http://mailteamhyd.dlist.nic.in/> HTTP/1.1" 500 1162* I don't see any error messages in the mailman.log. And I also executed a few curl commands in getting the details of the lists created and list info which I got their results successfully. Could you please guide where exactly I am missing or do I need to make any changes in my customizations ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Cron error
by gordon＠dickens.com Oct. 25, 2020

Oct. 25, 2020

I recently upgraded to mailman3 on two Debian servers and I am getting a cron error periodically sent to me as depicted below. It looks like a permission problem, however, /var/lib/mailman3/locks and /var/lib/mailman3/* all have user = "list" and group = "list" and the cron job runs as user = "list" so I don't quite understand why I am getting these errors. Hopefully, someone might reply with what the problem is. Thanks, Gordon Here is some additional information: "ls -ld locks" output: drwxr-xr-x 2 list list 4096 Sep 28 08:51 locks ls -l locks" output: total 12 -rw-rw---- 1 list list 80 Sep 28 00:00 'dbcreate.lck|slc.mailhub4u.com|24435|4056142050254595815' -rw-rw---- 2 list list 77 Sep 28 2020 master.lck -rw-rw---- 2 list list 77 Sep 28 2020 'master.lck|slc.mailhub4u.com|5291|3708878559945320758' Here is the error message that is emailed to me: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 216, in lock os.link(self._claimfile, self._lockfile) FileExistsError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck|slc.mailhub4u.com|24435|4056142050254595815' -> '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.2.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 764, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 716, in main with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 641, in make_context self.parse_args(ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1089, in parse_args rest = Command.parse_args(self, ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 940, in parse_args value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1477, in handle_parse_result self.callback, ctx, self, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 96, in invoke_param_callback return callback(ctx, param, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 94, in initialize_config initialize(value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 218, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 177, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 50, in create with Lock(os.path.join(config.LOCK_DIR, 'dbcreate.lck')): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 334, in __enter__ self.lock() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 248, in lock elif self._read() == self._claimfile: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 442, in _read with open(self._lockfile) as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck'

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migration from 2.1 - owners and moderators
by Alex Schuilenburg Oct. 25, 2020

Oct. 25, 2020

We're migrating from 2.1 to 3.2.1 and an odd issue has popped up. It may be something different in the way mailman3 works, or a misconfiguration on my part. Most of the lists migrated so far don't have moderators, just owners. However, when these lists have messages requiring moderation, the owners dont get notified of held messages - unlike 2.1 where they did. Is this a change or is there something I am missing in the configuration? I have the minute/quarterly/hourly etc cron jobs running, although I have had to tune down the frequency of minute to hourly as it takes 6.5 minutes to run* - but I doubt this is the cause. While for the moment I have found the held messages in files in /var/lib/mailman3/messages and figured out which lists are in need of attention (and notified the owners), it seems I may have to do a bit of coding myself to walk through the lists and notify owners when their list is in need of attention. There must surely be something that does this already - or is this moderators only in mailman3? Guidance appreciated. Thanks -- Alex * From the list I realise this is because I am still using the default whoosh backend to haystack and need urgently to switch to xapian or solr, but the info on how to get this working for a noob like me is unfortunately lacking :-(

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How to get Hyperkitty to show actual sender e-mail addresses?
by Hans-Martin Mosner Oct. 24, 2020

Oct. 24, 2020

Hi, I'd like to show actual sender e-mail addresses (basically to block spammers sending to a list that is used as a contact address, so it has no moderation for non-member postings). Hyperkitty just show the display name, which not very informative. Is there a setting to change this behavior? I did not find any using internet search and sifting through the various config files, but I could easily have missed something. Cheers, Hans-Martin

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Alias Domains in postfix_domains wrong way around?
by Hans-Martin Mosner Oct. 24, 2020

Oct. 24, 2020

Hi, we have an "Unusual Postfix configuration" and use "Alias Domains" to work around. However, it looks like "mailman aliases" generates the postfix_domains map the wrong way around, resulting in postfix "Relay access denied" errors for mails received from outside. Didn't notice at first since I tried locally of course. Is my understanding correct that postfix_domains should have the true (externally visible) domains as keys, and values that basically don't matter, or should it have both the real domains and their alias names as keys? With such a convoluted setup, my brain twists a little. For now, I'm listing the real domains explicitly, that seems to work for the local and non-local cases. Cheers, Hans-Martin

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Unsubscribe Notifications to List Owners and Members
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 22, 2020

Oct. 22, 2020

It seems that the only time an unsubscribe notification is sent to a list owner and/or list member is when a list member sends an email to lisname-unsubscribe@listdomain and that list member is not registered with Affinity/Postorius. Can anyone confirm this and if confirmed, is this considered a bug? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Re: Unsubscribe Notifications to List Owners and Members
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 22, 2020

Oct. 22, 2020

What list are you trying to unsubscribe from and how are you doing it? On 10/22/20 4:58 PM, Jerry Koutavas wrote: > > No offense but been trying to unsubscribe for months, nothing happens > > *From:*Brian Carpenter [mailto:brian_carpenter@emwd.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2020 4:56 PM > *To:* Mailman users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> > *Subject:* [MM3-users] Unsubscribe Notifications to List Owners and > Members > > It seems that the only time an unsubscribe notification is sent to a > list owner and/or list member is when a list member sends an email to > lisname-unsubscribe@listdomain <mailto:lisname-unsubscribe@listdomain> > and that list member is not registered > with Affinity/Postorius. Can anyone confirm this and if confirmed, is > this considered a bug? > > > > -- > Brian Carpenter > Harmonylists.com > Emwd.com > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > <mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *Total Control Panel* > > > > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=ascii.com> > > To: jk(a)ascii.com > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=10188568&domain=ascii.com> > > From: mailman-users-bounces+jk=ascii.com(a)mailman3.org > <mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jk=ascii.com@mailman3.org> > > > > Message Score: 70 > > > > High (60): Fail > > My Spam Blocking Level: Medium > > > > Medium (75): Pass > > > > > Low (90): Pass > > Block > <https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&bl-sender-address=1&hID=458079…> > this sender / Block > <https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&ent=1&bl-sender-address=1&hID=…> > this sender enterprise-wide > > > > Block > <https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&bl-sender-domain=1&hID=4580794…> > mailman3.org / Block > <https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&ent=1&bl-sender-domain=1&hID=4…> > mailman3.org enterprise-wide > > > > /This message was delivered because the content filter score did not > exceed your filter level./ > -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Confirm and Moderate Unsubscribe Requests
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 22, 2020

Oct. 22, 2020

If you set the unsubscription policy to confirm then moderate for a list and someone unsubscribes, they receive a confirmation request. That is good. They respond to it. That is also working fine. However the list owner/moderator than gets a request to approve the unsubscribe request and well, unless I am missing something, I don't see an interface to handles such requests via Postorius. How does one handle an unsubscribe request that requires moderator approval? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe4 in position 1: ordinal not in range(128)
by r.woithe＠callassoftware.com Oct. 21, 2020

Oct. 21, 2020

Hello, System: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.5 (default, Jul 28 2020, 12:59:40) [GCC 9.3.0] all this runs on Ubuntu 20.04. Our mailman3-web.log file is full of this error.Traceback: 00:00:17 [Q] ERROR reincarnated pusher Process-1:731365 after sudden death 00:00:17 [Q] INFO Process-1:731366 pushing tasks at 3061233 Process Process-1:731366: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 315, in _bootstrap self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 108, in run self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 300, in pusher task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1]) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 28, in loads return signing.loads(obj, File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 38, in loads return serializer().loads(data) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 44, in loads return pickle.loads(data) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe4 in position 1: ordinal not in range(128) Is there a patch or workaround for this error or we are the one and only?

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debian's 3.2.1 mailman package too unreliable in production - Mail held occasionally causes server errors, and unexplained queue/bad messages -
by Alex Schuilenburg Oct. 21, 2020

Oct. 21, 2020

We have an issue where a mailing list has had a message sent to it from a non-member, so the message has been held, but when the list owner or I attempt to list the held messages for the list we get a Server Error: "An error occurred while processing your request.". I see the mail being held in the mailman log with the non-subscriber reason, and followed the suggestions in https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… which worked to look at and discard that held message. The problem is, there are more and we have over 900 mailing lists FYI, we are running:Mailman Core VersionGNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato)Mailman Core API Version3.0Mailman Core Python Version3.7.3 (default, Jul 25 2020, 13:03:44) [GCC 8.3.0] So we are looking at setting up a virtualenv to run the latest mailman3 3.3.1 as the 3.2.1 package from debian is looking unstable - barely usable. For example, while poking around I found 641 messages in queue/bad , but when I inspect them they look fine. If, as mentioned elsewhere, I rename them to .pck, put them in queue/shunt, and "mailman unshunt" the mail finally gets delivered. Why work now? Some kind of transient bug? Is 3.3.1 the way to go? On that last error, I've now enabled debug and hope to catch why messages are being dropped into queue/bad instead of being delivered. Already I have found errors in the mailman log such as: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/1603233694.919073+d907eb9512ce11fda515c19d 723537fc4cb15da2.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1603233694.919073+d907eb9512ce11fda515c19d723537fc4cb15da2Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9787) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/archive/1603233694.9209244+a0c1f3aab51d3d202aa 37911ab453f094b50b450.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/1603233694.9260252+138142eeb15b16b5da16934 954d1d3aeb1331198.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist- packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 158, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp:PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/1603233694.9260252+138142eeb15b16b5da16934 954d1d3aeb1331198.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9790) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/in/1603233694.9129462+8be9ab12e5dfeab086a1ab8b 3917550aea313505.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1603233694.9260252+138142eeb15b16b5da16934954d1d3aeb1331198Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/1603233694.9269004+5f8572edfb07e0e28b9f0b7 928a1184b8c8048ba.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist- packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 158, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp:PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/1603233694.9269004+5f8572edfb07e0e28b9f0b7 928a1184b8c8048ba.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1603233694.9269004+5f8572edfb07e0e28b9f0b7928a1184b8c8048ba The mailman3 user, "list", owns and has full rights all the way down: # ls -ld /var/lib/mailman3/queue/*drwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 01:45 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/archivedrwxrwx--- 2 list list 77824 Oct 21 00:15 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/baddrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 19 10:44 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bouncesdrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 5 17:18 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/commanddrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 00:00 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/digestdrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 00:20 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/indrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Aug 11 18:44 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/nntpdrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 01:45 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/outdrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 01:45 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/pipelinedrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Aug 11 18:44 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/retrydrwxrwx--- 2 list list 69632 Oct 21 01:45 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shuntdrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 00:20 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin so I'm kinda running out of options why this particular problem is happening. Any pointers? Or just toss the mailman 3.2.1 debian package out and go for a virtualenv 3.3.1 mailman? Thanks -- Alex

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Messages in var/queue/shunt
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 20, 2020

Oct. 20, 2020

I have a large number of messages in the shunt directory due to some testing done. What is the proper method of dealing with them? Is there a way to release them again to the archiver or can I safely delete them? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Mailman 3 - docker container - sync_members
by holman＠uw.edu Oct. 20, 2020

Oct. 20, 2020

I would like to populate list members via the Mailman 3 sync_members script. However, I am using Mailman 3 in docker containers and it doesn't appear to have this command. How are others completing this synchronization? Searching this list I found a reasonable approach: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Is there a different/preferred solution?

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mailman import21
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 20, 2020

Oct. 20, 2020

Does the import21 script also import custom templates? Are these custom templates contained in the config.pck file? Are there any known issues with the importing of mm2 templates into a mm3 environment? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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I don't get my posts with Gmail
by blackout69 Oct. 18, 2020

Oct. 18, 2020

Hello everybody, I noticed that if I use a Gmail account to write to a Mailman3 list, the list receives my post and hyperkitty also archives the post, but I don't receive my own post. I have read that it is Gmail's will to automatically discard my post. Is there any way around this insane choice? Thank you in advance Max

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Wrong info in moderation mail when held due to match of a header rule
by Torge Riedel Oct. 18, 2020

Oct. 18, 2020

Hi, today I got the first time a moderation mail for a mail which was held due to a match of a header rule: The message is being held because: Header "Yes" matched a header rule At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the request. I think this is wrong, it should read 'Header "x-spam" matched a header rule'. Cause the header rule is configured for header "x-spam" and pattern "Yes". I haven't found a bug report for this yet on gitlab. If someone of the developers confirm this is wrong, I will file a bug on gitlab for it. Kind regards Torge

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Mailman Core 3.3.2rc2 Released
by Abhilash Raj Oct. 17, 2020

Oct. 17, 2020

Hi Everyone, I am pleased to announce that Mailman Core 3.3.2rc2 is now out. This release includes both bug fixes and some new features. Some notable changes include: - Support for inviting users to join mailing lists. - New `adddmembers`, `delmembers` and `syncmembers` command to manage membership from CLI. - Addition of new REST API endpoints that return the count of held messages and subscription requests of much faster page loads in Postorius. - Addition of support for filtering in some API endpoints like Members and Subscription requests. - Support for `address=` option in email join command to subscribe an address other then sending address. - Addition of `who` email command to lookup memberships. - Expose emergency field for MailingList resource in REST API. - Several bug fixes to support new major version of libraries like dnspython, flufl.* etc. Since this is a pre-release, you can install it using: $ pip install --pre --upgrade mailman If there are no new major bugs, 3.3.2 will be released in 2 weeks time. We are now in strings freeze, so if you would like to help with translations to your native language, now is the time. We use Weblate for translations [1] and see here[2] for more documentation about i18n process in Mailman. There are a couple of new templates and more user friendly email templates & subjects for Mailman generated emails that could use translations. [1]: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/mailman/ [2]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/translation.html -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Adding members to a mailman3 mailing list
by Onyeibo Oku Oct. 17, 2020

Oct. 17, 2020

Greetings I am testing mailman3 on Fedora Linux (32 and Rawhide). I installed it from the distribution's repositories and I am following the documentation at https://docs.mailman3.org/ I have created a mailing list on my instance but for I am unable to add members to it. Please, consider the following session: COMMAND: sudo -u mailman mailman3 lists OUTPUT: 1 matching mailing lists found: list(a)example.com COMMAND: sudo -u mailman mailman3 members --add members.txt list(a)example.com OUTPUT: usage: mailman members [OPTIONS] LISTSPEC Try 'mailman members -h' for help. Error: Invalid value for '--add' / '-a': Could not open file: members.txt: Permission denied When I try to use '-' instead of passing a file, I find no intuitive way to exit the standard input. What kind of permission is mailman expecting on the input file? I have tried changing ownership to the mailman user -- same output still. How does one use standard input to add members conclusively? Much regards Onyeibo

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Postorius password resets
by Andrew Hodgson Oct. 16, 2020

Oct. 16, 2020

Hi, I am having an issue with our system where password resets are giving the users an email with a http://localhost:8000 URL. I have made sure settings in settings_local.py (and even settings.py) are as follows: POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org' However emails are still coming through with the wrong URL. What have I missed? Thanks. Andrew.

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Is there a way accept/discard held messages through mailman shell
by Shashikanth Komandoor Oct. 15, 2020

Oct. 15, 2020

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.7 version with default values in production environment from the past 4 months almost. As of now, we are having around 1327 lists created on this. I learnt how to approve/discard/reject the held messages through the web interface and also through the CURL command line. But I wanted to know is there any other way to approve/discard/reject the held messages through "mailman shell" or any other channel ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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mailman3-web MailingList matching query does not exist.
by Loïc Dachary Oct. 12, 2020

Oct. 12, 2020

Hi, The logs of mailman3-web are flooded with the following error. I suspect this is because I removed some mailing lists (using the hyperkitty web interface and the delete button) and the cache still references them. Is there a job supposed to fix this at some point ? Thanks in advance for any tip you can share :-) ii python3-django-hyperkitty 1.3.2-1.1 all Web user interface to access GNU Mailman3 archives ii python3-mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0-9 all Mailman3 plugin to archive emails with HyperKitty ii mailman3 3.2.1-1 all Mailing list management system ii mailman3-web 0+20180916-10 all Django project integrating Mailman3 Postorius and HyperKitty ii python3-django-mailman3 1.2.0-3 all Django library to help interaction with Mailman3 (Python 3 version) ii python3-mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0-9 all Mailman3 plugin to archive emails with HyperKitty ii python3-mailmanclient 3.2.2-1 all Python bindings for Mailman3 REST API (Python 3 version) Cheers 15:53:45 [Q] INFO Process-1:8 processing [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month] 15:53:45 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month] - MailingList matching query does not exist. : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 377, in worker res = f(*task['args'], **task['kwargs']) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 79, in _rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 380, in get self.model._meta.object_name hyperkitty.models.mailinglist.DoesNotExist: MailingList matching query does not exist. -- Loïc Dachary, Artisan Logiciel Libre

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Subscription Acceptance
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 11, 2020

Oct. 11, 2020

Hello MM3 Users, Is the MM2 function: "List of addresses (or regexps) whose subscriptions do not require approval." going to end up in Mailman 3 or is there no plans to include it? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Moving from forum to Mailman 3
by Jonathan M Oct. 10, 2020

Oct. 10, 2020

What ways are there to move a forum to an existing Mailman 3 list, so that each old forum message is displayed in the archive as if it had been an email? Thank you Jonathan Sent from my iPhone

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persistent style
by Peter Münster Oct. 7, 2020

Oct. 7, 2020

Hi, How could I save a new style please? I've followed the instructions in https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/docs/styles.html and after the "manager.register(...)" I typed "commit()". But later, after exiting the mailman shell, the style is not saved... Another question: Where could I find the list of all options, that can be used in a style please? I've found some of them in mailman/styles/default.py (BasicOperation, Bounces, Public, Private, Moderation, etc.), but I'll need some more. TIA for any help, -- Peter

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File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1148, in getresponse raise ResponseNotReady()
by r.woithe＠callassoftware.com Oct. 7, 2020

Oct. 7, 2020

Hello, every night at 00:00 i get an email by mailman3: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django_extensions/management/commands/runjobs.py", line 34, in runjobs job().execute() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/jobs/sync_mailman.py", line 37, in execute sync_with_mailman() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/mailman.py", line 147, in sync_with_mailman sender.set_mailman_id() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/sender.py", line 57, in set_mailman_id mm_user = client.get_user(self.address) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/client.py", line 192, in get_user 'users/{0}'.format(address)) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 99, in call response, content = Http().request(url, method, data_str, headers) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1616, in request (response, content) = self._request(conn, authority, uri, request_uri, method, body, headers, redirections, cachekey) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1358, in _request (response, content) = self._conn_request(conn, request_uri, method, body, headers) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1314, in _conn_request response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1148, in getresponse raise ResponseNotReady() ResponseNotReady ERROR OCCURED IN DAILY JOB: sync_mailman (APP: hyperkitty) START TRACEBACK: END TRACEBACK Mailman3 runs on Ubuntu 18.04 and is installed via the apt-get repository packages. Mailman3 is working and created lists are functional. Therefor i would like to know can i neglect this message ? Or is this message a hint for an Error i should investigate and looking for a solution ?

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How to prevent members to attach executables (exe, bat, ...) to the emails sent to list
by Mohsen Masoudfar Oct. 7, 2020

Oct. 7, 2020

Hi, I am trying to find a way for content filtering to remove executables from the emails sent to the list. I found some hints under: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/stable/build/lib/mailman/handlers/docs/fi… but still not clear how to do it for all type of excecutables. Best regards Mohsen

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Re: Removing an archive from hyperkitty
by Loïc Dachary Oct. 5, 2020

Oct. 5, 2020

Hi, It turns out to be a feature added in 1.3.1 [0]. I wonder if the MySQL instructions listed in this comment[1] are safe to use? I'm reluctant to upgrade because the machine is for production and using packages from Debian GNU/Linux buster is recommended. Cheers [0] https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/146 [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/146#note_423111350 On 04/10/2020 18:16, Loïc Dachary wrote: > Hi, > > I accidentally created an archive for a non existent mailing list with a command like: > > python3 manage.py hyperkitty_import --list-address test2(a)the.re --ignore-mtime --no-sync-mailman /tmp/f.mbox > > where test2(a)the.re does not exist. It succeeded and now the web interface shows this archive that has no associated mailing list. How can I remove it ? > > Thanks in advance for any tip you may have ;-) > -- Loïc Dachary, Artisan Logiciel Libre

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Hyperkitty fulltext search performances
by Loïc Dachary Oct. 4, 2020

Oct. 4, 2020

Hi, I'm in the process of importing a large number of mbox (~30,000) for a few hundred mailing lists. So far around 300,000 mails (~12GB) were imported from two mailing lists. The hyperkitty_import process took ~8 hours and created a 10GB MySQL database. The update_index_one_list for the two lists took a total of ~72 hours and created a ~2GB worth of index in /var/lib/mailman3/web/fulltext_index, which is consistent with the fact that there are lot of attachments (probably 10GB out of 12GB). When I search for one word via the full text search web interface, it takes around 30 seconds to complete (even when repeated twice) and I can see the process grow to use up to 6GB of resident memory. It is running on a recent physical machine with decent IO and a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2609 v2 @ 2.50GHz. Is this consistent with other people experience? Cheers -- Loïc Dachary, Artisan Logiciel Libre

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Mailman3 not delivering list mail
by Gordon Dickens Oct. 2, 2020

Oct. 2, 2020

Hello, I have a fresh mailman3 installation that I recently upgraded from mailman2 on a debian system.Â In any event, I imported some test lists and tested my installation thoroughly and everything seemed to be working fine.Â Then, today, I imported a important live working mailing list from mailman2 and everything appeared to go well both with the import of the list addresses and the archives.Â However, when I sent out the first post on Mailman3 the post was not echoed to the list members.Â Then, I subsequently discovered that the queue had lots of mail undelivered in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad. It appears that my mailman3 installation has stopped delivering list mail and that all of the list mail is stuck in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad. How do I resolve this situation?Â Can I just remove the files with "rm *" in the /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad directory?Â Please let me know what I should do to get things working again. Thanks, Gordon

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Various patches for mm3 stable 3.3.1
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Sept. 30, 2020

Sept. 30, 2020

Folks, For my own purposes I have created some patches which apply to the current mailman pip package. The first of them is for my purposes necessary, and has been discussed here before: being able to specify the address used to listen for tcp connections independently of the address the server considers it to be accessible at. A possible change to this patch would be to check whether this address was undefined but the old hostname was defined, and use that if so. For me this is not needed, and in any case it is a trivial change to make. The second patch adds a bunch of additional logging calls to various network-related parts of the package. I wrote these into the package because I was seeking the cause of template expansion causing messages to be silently dropped. I eventually found the cause was that I had an incorrect setting of the template root URL, but I regard the lack of anything in the logs as just as much of a bug. One important part of those changes was that I added a try/catch around two parts of the 'decorate' code, which is where the silent dropping occurred. If you only take one part of this patch, I encourage you to take this part. For the third patch, I discovered that the task runner was at one point busy-waiting to the tune of 100% cpu, and the cause was the way that the runner checked to see if there was work left in the queue. I am not quite sure what was the exact problem, but I think it was that there was something to do, but it was not achievable at that time, and the result was continual retry. The third patch changes the logic slightly so that this no longer occurs - retry will happen, but somewhat more gracefully. I hope you find some use in these three. Finally, I am currently experiencing problems with templates and would appreciate any thoughts: 1. If I do not set up 'individual' or 'full' personalisation, all is well and the default footer templates are expanded as expected. However setting up personalisation causes template expansion to fail completely, and messages get sent with a blank expansion. 2. I would find the postorius UI much easier to cope with if the default template was 'populated' into the UI wherever it was non-blank, rather than the UI starting off as if no templates were defined at all. Regards, Ruth

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Unable to remove non-member
by Brian Carpenter Sept. 29, 2020

Sept. 29, 2020

Hi Everyone, I ran across a strange issue today. A client reported the inability to remove a non-member in the following format: z_email/domain.org.za(a)domain.org.za The reported error from Postorius was: "The user could not be removed" I used https://verifalia.com/validate-email to validate the email address and it is syntactically correct. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Discard all mail with the subject "The resutls of your email commands"
by w.schoener＠alp.dillingen.de Sept. 29, 2020

Sept. 29, 2020

Hello, I am using mailman 3.2.1 for several mailing lists. My colleagues want me to stop all mails with the subject "The results of your email commands". I found some contributions here, but nowhere a solution for this question. Does anybody has any suggestion? Maybe I could try to handle this outside of mailman, but then I would have to pass this task on to someone I dont know .... :-( Thanks for all hints. :-) Wolfgang

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New releases
by Abhilash Raj Sept. 25, 2020

Sept. 25, 2020

Hi Everyone, I am pleased to announce new stable releases for: - Postorius: 1.3.3 Changelog: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#id1 Download: https://pypi.org/project/postorius/1.3.3/ - Hyperkitty: 1.3.3 Changelog: https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html#id1 Download: https://pypi.org/project/HyperKitty/1.3.3rc1/ - Mailmanclient: 3.3.1 Changelog: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… Download: https://pypi.org/project/mailmanclient/3.3.1/ - Django-mailman3: 1.3.3 Changelog: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst Download: https://pypi.org/project/django-mailman3/1.3.3 Python 3.6+ and Django 2.0+ is supported for all of them. Django 3.0 support for Hyperkitty requires manually upgrading a dependency (django-haystack>=3.0b2, once a stable version of this has been released, it shouldn't require manually upgrading). There are tons of bug-fixes across the board and some new features. Biggest visible change is switch to Bootstrap 4, which has been long pending for us. Bootstrap 4 completely changes the CSS grid model using the new Flexbox. There might be some small changes or breakages when using on mobile. Please report such issues to us via Gitlab! Some other notable changes are in Postorius, which includes many more list settings exposed include content filtering settings, bounce processing (which was added in the previous release of Mailman Core) settings and some other ones. Settings page is also slightly different with all the sections on the vertical menu on left instead of horizontal tabs. You can now also specify a reason when rejecting held messages. There was also a gnarly bug, which caused the name of some members to be the string "None". For the longest time, I couldn't figure out the reason for it, but it ended up being a simple fix in mailmanclient's json serialization of display_name, which would result in Python's None value being passed as string "None" to Mailman's API for subscription. There is also better support for filtering visible lists based on the current vhost, which I see a few people are already waiting for from mailman-users list. A full changelog has been added to each project in the top. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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My Server is unable to connect to Mailman REST API few times
by Shashikanth Komandoor Sept. 24, 2020

Sept. 24, 2020

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.7 version with default values in production environment from the past 4 months almost. As of now, we are having around 1327 lists created on this. When I am trying to do some operations like creating the lists, deleting the lists or accessing the lists through the GUI, I am getting the below error. If I am trying to do the operations through API or through mailman shell, still I am not able to connect to the API. Something went wrong Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. But my mailman core was working fine in the background. At the same time I was able to do other operations on a few other lists. By the time I am getting the above error, the mailman.log recorded the below messages. *[2020-09-16 12:49:08 +0530] [2600] [CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT (pid:20234)* *[2020-09-16 12:49:08 +0530] [20234] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 20234)* *[2020-09-16 12:49:09 +0530] [21042] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 21042* My mailman.cfg configuration is as below. The timeout value is the default value. I did not set any customized value. *(venv3) [root@lsmgr mailman]# grep -v ^# /var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg* *[archiver.hyperkitty]* *class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver* *enable: yes* *configuration: /var/lib/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg* *[mta]* *incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP* *outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver* *lmtp_host: 0.0.0.0* *lmtp_port: 8024* *smtp_host: localhost* *smtp_port: 25* *[webservice]* *workers: 10* *[database]* *class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase* *url: postgres://<postgresdbuser>:<postgresdbpassword>@127.0.0.1/mailman <http://127.0.0.1/mailman>* Then as per the suggestion I got earlier I configured the [webservice] section in the above file as below. *[webservice]* *configuration: /var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/etc/gunicorn.cfg* * [root@lsmgr logs]# cat /var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/etc/gunicorn.cfg* *[gunicorn]* *workers = 10* *timeout = 90 * After the above configuration, I found many errors like below in mailman.log file: *sqlalchemy.exc.NoSuchColumnError: "Could not locate column in row for column 'pended.id <http://pended.id>'"* *sqlalchemy.exc.ResourceClosedError: This result object does not return rows. It has been closed automatically.* *sqlalchemy.exc.DatabaseError: (psycopg2.DatabaseError) error with status PGRES_TUPLES_OK and no message from the libpq* The above might be few of the errors. FYI, for the creation of each list, it is taking almost around 15 to 20 minutes. After multiple times of the above error messages, at some time, I am fortunately getting the list created or some other operation getting done. I found the same scenario when the workers are from default 2 to 10. I don't understand where exactly I need to focus to solve the issue. Please let me know if I have to share any other details for you to suggest to me. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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including a template failed
by Wolfgang Bock Sept. 24, 2020

Sept. 24, 2020

Hi, I created a new mailinglist and got during the test-process the following errormessage in my mailman.log after: ... Sep 19 22:55:08 2020 (1433) ACCEPT: <000001d68ec7$2553e6e0$6ffbb4a0$(a)domain-01.de> Errors: Sep 19 22:55:09 2020 (1436) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 HTTPSConnectionPool(host='webmail.domain-02.de', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/mylist.lists.domain-03.de/list:member :regular:footer (Caused by NewConnectionError('<urllib3.connec tion.VerifiedHTTPSConnection object at 0x7fc8380f1748>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno -2] Name or service not known')) ... domain02.de isn't involved in mailman3 either as a user domain nor as a list-domain. After deleting the template mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/mylist.lists.domain-03.de/list:member: regular:footer the mail to the list is processed without problems: Sep 19 22:56:22 2020 (1436) <000001d68ec7$2553e6e0$6ffbb4a0$(a)domain-01.de> smtp to mylist(a)list.domain-03.de for 1 recips, completed in 0.21389174461364746 seconds Sep 19 22:56:22 2020 (1436) <000001d68ec7$2553e6e0$6ffbb4a0$(a)wbock.de> post to mylist(a)list.domain-03.de from user(a)domain-01.de, 1331 bytes Please help to solve this problem? Thanks and regards Wolfgang

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Missing whitespace in postfix_vmap after mailman genaliases
by Wolfgang Bock Sept. 23, 2020

Sept. 23, 2020

Hi, after creating a new list I got the following errormessage: mailman aliases -> postmap: warning: /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_vmap, line 17: expected format: key whitespace value /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_vmap # AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED BY MAILMAN ON 2020-09-19 07:44:34 .... xxxxxxxxxxx(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-bounces(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-bounces(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-confirm(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-confirm(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-join(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-join(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-leave(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-leave(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-owner(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-owner(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-request(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-request(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-subscribe(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-subscribe(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-unsubscribe@lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.dexxxxxxxxxxx-unsubscribe@xxx xxxxxxxxxx.de The last line in the left part contains 48 chars. I solved the problem by adding a whitespace in the last line and I made a new postmap for postfix_vmap. But it would be better to solve the problem by changing the genaliases process in the next update. Regards Wolfgang

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Re: cc'd e-mail addresses rewritten with @invalid.domain
by Williams, Peter B Sept. 23, 2020

Sept. 23, 2020

Hi Mark, Thanks for the help with this! Other list members will also see the e-mail as coming from user(a)invalid.domain<mailto:user@invalid.domain>. I will continue testing the other scenarios and will reply back as soon as possible. Thanks again for the help with this and have a nice day! Peter On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:00 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 9/21/20 10:49 AM, peterbw(a)gmail.com<mailto:peterbw@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > We've recently noticed an issue where users who are cc'd in a message where a mailing list is also within the cc list are getting rewritten a user(a)invalid.domain. > > This issue looks like it may be related to Outlook and how user names are displayed specifically. Here is an example: > > To: test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> > cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>; Williams, Peter; > > "Williams, Peter" maps to a user e-mail in the Outlook Global Address book. When the message is sent the list will send the message with the first name and last name separated, for example the message will appear: > > to: test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> > cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>, Williams(a)invalid.domain, Peter(a)invalid.domain Because apparently Outlook is sending the message with the literal > Cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>; Williams, Peter; instead of something like > Cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>, "Williams, Peter" <peters_real_address(a)example.com<mailto:peters_real_address@example.com>> Then some MTA in the chain is seeing the unqualified addresses Williams and Peter and appending its own local domain. > This only seems to happen with users who are cc'd who are also members of the list that is being cc'd. For example in the scenario above my e-mail that is cc'd is also a member of listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>. In this case, where do you see this? i.e., do other list members see it in the message they receive from the list? I don't know why that would be. I'm certain that Mailman is not involved in this and the Williams(a)invalid.domain and Peter(a)invalid.domain addresses are in the Cc: as received by Mailman. > This issue does not occur if the user e-mail address is listed before the mailing list in the cc field. So for example, if the cc in the scenario above contained Williams, Peter; listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>; it would route properly. Again, I think this is Outlook. What's in the Cc: of the mail that test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> receives directly? What happens if you send mail in this way with To: test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> cc: other_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:other_user@gmail.com>; Williams, Peter; Again, what's in the Cc: of the mail that test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> and other_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:other_user@gmail.com> receive? Also, please see <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20is%20not%20Listserv>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net<mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

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Mails are not archived at all -- how to check if Hyperkitty is running or not?
by Franklin Weng Sept. 23, 2020

Sept. 23, 2020

Hi, I set up the mailman3 services and lists, and we can send mail to the list successfully. However in the Archive section I couldn't see anything and all the lists were "inactive" and hence were hidden by default. I confirmed that api_key set in the /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py is the same. I also confirmed that the apache2 wsgi module has been loaded. In the mailman.cfg database is set to mysql and in the mailman-web.py database is set to sqlite3. Does it matter? I tried to search but couldn't find any further information or discussion about this. There is no systemd service for Hyperkitty. How can I check if Hyperkitty is running or not? Thanks, Franklin

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API timeout for one list
by Seth Seeger Sept. 23, 2020

Sept. 23, 2020

I apologize, because I think this was talked about before, but I could not find it in the archives. For one list, the REST API times out. Doesn’t seem to matter which page I try to go to. The uwsgi-error.log entry: --- Logging error --- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner return func(*args, **kwargs) psycopg2.ProgrammingError: no results to fetch The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 332, in pusher task_set = broker.dequeue() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/brokers/orm.py", line 67, in dequeue if tasks: File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 278, in __bool__ self._fetch_all() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1242, in _fetch_all self._result_cache = list(self._iterable_class(self)) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 55, in __iter__ results = compiler.execute_sql(chunked_fetch=self.chunked_fetch, chunk_size=self.chunk_size) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1175, in execute_sql return list(result) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1554, in cursor_iter for rows in iter((lambda: cursor.fetchmany(itersize)), sentinel): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1554, in <lambda> for rows in iter((lambda: cursor.fetchmany(itersize)), sentinel): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner return func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 89, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner return func(*args, **kwargs) django.db.utils.ProgrammingError: no results to fetch During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", line 1081, in emit msg = self.format(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", line 925, in format return fmt.format(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", line 664, in format record.message = record.getMessage() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", line 369, in getMessage msg = msg % self.args TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting Call stack: File "./manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 381, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 375, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 323, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 364, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/management/commands/qcluster.py", line 22, in handle q.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 67, in start self.sentinel.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 121, in start self._popen = self._Popen(self) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/context.py", line 224, in _Popen return _default_context.get_context().Process._Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/context.py", line 277, in _Popen return Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 19, in __init__ self._launch(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 75, in _launch code = process_obj._bootstrap(parent_sentinel=child_r) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 315, in _bootstrap self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 108, in run self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 157, in __init__ self.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 162, in start self.guard() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 268, in guard self.reincarnate(self.pusher) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 210, in reincarnate self.pusher = self.spawn_pusher() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 190, in spawn_pusher return self.spawn_process(pusher, self.task_queue, self.event_out, self.broker) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 186, in spawn_process p.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 121, in start self._popen = self._Popen(self) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/context.py", line 224, in _Popen return _default_context.get_context().Process._Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/context.py", line 277, in _Popen return Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 19, in __init__ self._launch(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 75, in _launch code = process_obj._bootstrap(parent_sentinel=child_r) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 315, in _bootstrap self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 108, in run self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 334, in pusher logger.error(e, traceback.format_exc()) Message: ProgrammingError('no results to fetch') Arguments: ('Traceback (most recent call last):\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner\n return func(*args, **kwargs)\npsycopg2.ProgrammingError: no results to fetch\n \nThe above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:\n\nTraceback (most recent call last):\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 332, in pusher\n task_set = bro ker.dequeue()\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/brokers/orm.py", line 67, in dequeue\n if tasks:\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 278, in __bool__\n self._fetch_all()\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1242, in _fetch_all\n self._result_cache = list(self._iterable_class(self))\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packa ges/django/db/models/query.py", line 55, in __iter__\n results = compiler.execute_sql(chunked_fetch=self.chunked_fetch, chunk_size=self.chunk_size)\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sq l/compiler.py", line 1175, in execute_sql\n return list(result)\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1554, in cursor_iter\n for rows in iter((lambda: cursor.fetc hmany(itersize)), sentinel):\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1554, in <lambda>\n for rows in iter((lambda: cursor.fetchmany(itersize)), sentinel):\n File "/us r/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner\n return func(*args, **kwargs)\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 89, in __exit__\n raise dj_exc_value.w ith_traceback(traceback) from exc_value\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner\n return func(*args, **kwargs)\ndjango.db.utils.ProgrammingError: no results to fetch\n' ,) The other lists work fine. Thank you, Seth

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The message is larger than the 40 KB maximum size
by Mohsen Masoudfar Sept. 22, 2020

Sept. 22, 2020

Hi, I am trying to find how I may change this. I have an attachment of 800 KB, and when I post it to the list, I do not get any response and nothing is hold. It looks like the message is just dropped. Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

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Problem with list creation
by Pawel Grzywaczewski Sept. 22, 2020

Sept. 22, 2020

Hi, We want to create thousand of lists. We use a simple curl command curl --user restadmin:restpass -X POST http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists -d fqdn_listname=nameOfTheList(a)example.com After creating ~2k of them we started getting errors in Mailman logs: ``` [2020-09-16 17:11:10 +0200] [4564] [DEBUG] POST /3.1/lists [2020-09-16 17:11:41 +0200] [1339] [CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT (pid:4564) [2020-09-16 17:11:41 +0200] [4564] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 4564) [2020-09-16 17:11:41 +0200] [5019] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 5019 ``` Since then creation fails in most cases. We increased timeout in mailman.cfg ``` [gunicorn] workers: 4 timeout: 900 ``` And we increased timeout in nginx ``` http { # MODIF UNICORN proxy_connect_timeout 300s; proxy_read_timeout 300s; # MODIF UNICORN ``` Where might be the problem? How to start investigating and fix it? Thanks, Paweł

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cc'd e-mail addresses rewritten with @invalid.domain
by peterbw＠gmail.com Sept. 22, 2020

Sept. 22, 2020

Hi, We've recently noticed an issue where users who are cc'd in a message where a mailing list is also within the cc list are getting rewritten a user(a)invalid.domain. This issue looks like it may be related to Outlook and how user names are displayed specifically. Here is an example: To: test_user(a)gmail.com cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org; Williams, Peter; "Williams, Peter" maps to a user e-mail in the Outlook Global Address book. When the message is sent the list will send the message with the first name and last name separated, for example the message will appear: to: test_user(a)gmail.com cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org, Williams(a)invalid.domain, Peter(a)invalid.domain This only seems to happen with users who are cc'd who are also members of the list that is being cc'd. For example in the scenario above my e-mail that is cc'd is also a member of listserv(a)lists.test.org. This issue does not occur if the user e-mail address is listed before the mailing list in the cc field. So for example, if the cc in the scenario above contained Williams, Peter; listserv(a)lists.test.org; it would route properly. Do you know what may be causing this? Please let me know if there is any additional information I may provide regarding this and I will try to respond as soon as possible. Thanks and have a nice day! Peter

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Template path
by Seth Seeger Sept. 21, 2020

Sept. 21, 2020

Hello everyone, I’m running Mailman from Docker containers, without much customization. (Postorius 1.3.3, Core 3.3.1, API 3.1, Python 3.8.5). I’ve created a list:user:notice:welcome template, and when I try to confirm a subscription, I get an error. I followed previous emails on this list which told me to set POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py, but that doesn’t seem to make any difference. (I set it to a different value and the error message didn’t change. I also tried setting it in /opt/mailman/core/settings_local.py to no effect. After each change, I restarted mailman-web and mailman-core containers.) From within mailman-web and mailman-core containers, I can reach “mailman-web:8000”. In the webpage, I see: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. In /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/mailman.log, I get: [17/Sep/2020:16:23:29 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/xxx.example.com HTTP/1.1" 200 416 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" Sep 17 16:23:35 2020 (48) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 426, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 421, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 268, in _read_status line = str(self.fp.readline(_MAXLINE + 1), "iso-8859-1") File "/usr/lib/python3.8/socket.py", line 669, in readinto return self._sock.recv_into(b) socket.timeout: timed out During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 439, in send resp = conn.urlopen( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 724, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 403, in increment raise six.reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/packages/six.py", line 735, in reraise raise value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 670, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 428, in _make_request self._raise_timeout(err=e, url=url, timeout_value=read_timeout) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 335, in _raise_timeout raise ReadTimeoutError( urllib3.exceptions.ReadTimeoutError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 332, in _step_do_subscription self.member = self.mlist.subscribe( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 505, in subscribe notify(SubscriptionEvent( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/event/__init__.py", line 32, in notify subscriber(event) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/membership.py", line 176, in handle_SubscriptionEvent send_welcome_message(mlist, member, member.preferred_language) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/notifications.py", line 51, in send_welcome_message welcome_message = wrap(getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 188, in get contents = getUtility(ITemplateManager).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 110, in get contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 38, in get response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 76, in get return request('get', url, params=params, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 61, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 530, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 643, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 529, in send raise ReadTimeout(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) [2020-09-17 16:23:35 +0000] [48] [ERROR] Socket error processing request. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 426, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 421, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 268, in _read_status line = str(self.fp.readline(_MAXLINE + 1), "iso-8859-1") File "/usr/lib/python3.8/socket.py", line 669, in readinto return self._sock.recv_into(b) socket.timeout: timed out Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 439, in send resp = conn.urlopen( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 724, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 403, in increment raise six.reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/packages/six.py", line 735, in reraise raise value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 670, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 428, in _make_request self._raise_timeout(err=e, url=url, timeout_value=read_timeout) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 335, in _raise_timeout raise ReadTimeoutError( urllib3.exceptions.ReadTimeoutError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 135, in handle self.handle_request(listener, req, client, addr) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 191, in handle_request six.reraise(*sys.exc_info()) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/gunicorn/six.py", line 625, in reraise raise value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 176, in handle_request respiter = self.wsgi(environ, resp.start_response) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 193, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/falcon/api.py", line 269, in __call__ responder(req, resp, **params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rest/sub_moderation.py", line 88, in on_post self._registrar.confirm(self._token) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 559, in confirm list(workflow) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 332, in _step_do_subscription self.member = self.mlist.subscribe( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 505, in subscribe notify(SubscriptionEvent( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/event/__init__.py", line 32, in notify subscriber(event) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/membership.py", line 176, in handle_SubscriptionEvent send_welcome_message(mlist, member, member.preferred_language) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/notifications.py", line 51, in send_welcome_message welcome_message = wrap(getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 188, in get contents = getUtility(ITemplateManager).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 110, in get contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 38, in get response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 76, in get return request('get', url, params=params, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 61, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 530, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 643, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 529, in send raise ReadTimeout(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) What’s the next step to get templates working? Thank you, Seth

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Redundant and load balanced Mailman3
by Pawel Grzywaczewski Sept. 20, 2020

Sept. 20, 2020

Hi, Can someone share some hints about how to deploy redundant and load balanced Mailman3? What are your recommendations and best practices? For example what components to put on the same VM? Can we have 2VM with Mailman core/Postorious/Hyperkitty/django-mailman/mailmanclient connecting to one (the same) database? How to load balance mail routing (incoming)? Thanks! Paweł

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Bad Signature with Gmail
by Massimo Zappalà Sept. 19, 2020

Sept. 19, 2020

Hi everyone, if I write a my lists from other email address I get the correct message: opendkim[23516]: 8EEE440FFD: DKIM-Signature field added (s=mailselector, d=catania.linux.it). While if I write to a my lists from email address Gmail, on opendkim I get the following messages: opendkim[23516]: BA95241952: no signing table match for 'maszap69(a)gmail.com' opendkim[23516]: BA95241952: s=20161025 d=gmail.com SSL error:04091068:rsa routines:int_rsa_verify:bad signature opendkim[23516]: BA95241952: bad signature data The message is received regularly by all members of the list. I also receive an email at superuser: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive OperationalError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x98\\xB1\\xF0\\x9F...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") ... If I check with mail-tester I get 10/10 If I check with dmarcanalyzer I get "This seems to be a valid DKIM Record." I don't understand where the problem is. Could anyone tell me how to solve? Thank you in advance Max

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Can creating too many Django accounts crash Mailman3 server?
by Mohsen Masoudfar Sept. 19, 2020

Sept. 19, 2020

Hi, It seems anybody can go to the site: https://LISTSERVNAME/mailman3/postorius/lists/ and click on the [Sign up] on the top-right corner and create an account. This can easily be automated, even though the next step, confirming the email address, being ignored. I believe it can be used as a target for a DOS attack by creating so many accounts, that eventually causes an 'out of space' error. Is this a justified concern? Is there a way to manage this feature in a secure way? Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

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Office365 posts shunted (authres.core.SyntaxError)
by Bryan Loniewski Sept. 19, 2020

Sept. 19, 2020

Hi again -- Besides my compress issue described earlier today here: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… I've been dealing with another issue (and why I upgraded to the latest code) when posting messages to my test list from our schools Office365 infrastructure (OWA). The post gets shunted; mailman.log has the following error: Sep 11 11:29:44 2020 (31396) ACCEPT: <BL0PR14MB3681E636E905E9D34588C85088240(a)BL0PR14MB3681.namprd14.prod.outlook.com> Sep 11 11:29:45 2020 (31401) Uncaught runner exception: Syntax error: Expected "=" at: ; dmarc=none action=none header.from=o... Sep 11 11:29:45 2020 (31401) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 50, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 118, in process authenticate(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/utilities/retry.py", line 44, in f_retry return f(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 85, in authenticate prev = trusted_auth_res(msg) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 73, in trusted_auth_res authserv_id = AuthenticationResultsHeader.parse(header).authserv_id File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/__init__.py", line 206, in parse return authres.core.AuthenticationResultsHeader.parse(core_features(), string) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/core.py", line 442, in parse return self.parse_value(feature_context, string) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/core.py", line 454, in parse_value header._parse() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/core.py", line 517, in _parse result = self._parse_resinfo() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/core.py", line 550, in _parse_resinfo method, version, result = self._parse_methodspec() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/core.py", line 573, in _parse_methodspec raise SyntaxError('Expected "="', self._parse_text) authres.core.SyntaxError: Syntax error: Expected "=" at: ; dmarc=none action=none header.from=o... Sep 11 11:29:45 2020 (31401) SHUNTING: 1599838185.4911082+9dde922f77a1d66e3511f2709ec4b436ab6a3ecc Debugging the issue further shows this header to be the problem: authentication-results: lists-test.rutgers.edu; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;lists-test.rutgers.edu; dmarc=none action=none header.from=oit.rutgers.edu; What is syntactically wrong with it and/or is it more than that? Note1: If I remove that header from a copy of the message and inject directly into Mailman it will deliver as expected. Note2: Posting messages from my personal Gmail account or cmdline mail program to the same test list will also deliver as expected. ________________________ Bryan Loniewski Rutgers University OIT:EAS:Messaging and Collaboration Services System Administrator

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Re-send subscription response and file permission error in queue
by accounts-mailman＠holbrook.no Sept. 15, 2020

Sept. 15, 2020

A user sent subscription request to the `..-join@` address of a list. Email domain wasn't set up properly, so response got rejected. Now, if the user tries to send another request, no reponse comes back. In the log I find a python stack trace saying subscription already pending. ``` Sep 08 10:32:44 2020 (19918) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/command.py", line 196, in _dispose mlist, msg, msgdata, parts, results) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/eml_membership.py", line 104, in process ISubscriptionManager(mlist).register(subscriber) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 520, in register list(workflow) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 227, in _step_sanity_checks raise SubscriptionPendingError(self.mlist, self.address.email) mailman.interfaces.subscriptions.SubscriptionPendingError ``` Furthermore I am getting a permission denied error in the attempt of shunting the message, which I don't quite understand because the folder has user `list` group `list` and `700` mode: ``` Sep 08 10:25:29 2020 (19918) SHUNTING: 1599553529.9889646+88be5afa0bf3111a83e68cc97ce2000723ad93fd Sep 08 10:29:49 2020 (19918) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/command/1599553789.306307+6fee74af69263553b5ffd0e73cc095ab651bd855.pck' Sep 08 10:29:49 2020 (19918) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 156, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/command/1599553789.306307+6fee74af69263553b5ffd0e73cc095ab651bd855.pck' ``` How can I remove the pending subscription, or re-send the response email? And what could be the cause of the permission error? Using mailman 3.1.1

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Held Message view, JSONDecodeError: Invalid control character
by mm3＠hovo.id.au Sept. 15, 2020

Sept. 15, 2020

I am running the Debian 10 mailman3 and mailman3-web packages with mariadb. I received an email to the list from an invoicing software and now I am unable to view or accept this email from the list. All other lists seem to be still working fine. I'm guessing there is a piece of data in my database that is corrupt or unable to be decoded, but I am at a loss on how to find and fix it. Any help would be greatly appreciated ``` Sep 11 12:29:23 2020 (11577) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/lists/redacted(a)redacted.com/held?count=0&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Sep 11 12:29:23 2020 (11577) REST request handler error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.7/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 216, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "falcon/api.py", line 215, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "falcon/api.py", line 189, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 160, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in _make_collection for resource in collection] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in <listcomp> for resource in collection] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 150, in _resource_as_dict resource = self._make_resource(request.id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 70, in _make_resource resource = super()._make_resource(request_id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 39, in _make_resource results = requests.get_request(request_id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/requests.py", line 120, in get_request result.data_hash, expunge=False) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/pending.py", line 142, in confirm value = json.loads(keyvalue.value) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/json/__init__.py", line 348, in loads return _default_decoder.decode(s) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/json/decoder.py", line 337, in decode obj, end = self.raw_decode(s, idx=_w(s, 0).end()) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/json/decoder.py", line 353, in raw_decode obj, end = self.scan_once(s, idx) json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Invalid control character at: line 1 column 21 (char 20) ```

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Mailman3 throws 500 error (unicode encode) when loading held messages in Postorius
by Simon Handfield Sept. 14, 2020

Sept. 14, 2020

Hi, I have been working through other threads that indicate the same symptom (500 error when loading held_messages for a list). These include potential truncation of values in pendedkeyvalue table (don't this is our problem) and error when trying to access a message in /var/lib/mailman3/messages (ran the suggested code to loop through the stored files but no error was thrown.) Environment: Ubuntu 18.04 mailman3/bionic,now 3.1.1-9 all [installed,automatic] mailman3-full/bionic,now 3.1.1-9 all [installed] mailman3-web/bionic,now 0+20170523-14 all [installed,automatic] python-django-mailman3/bionic,now 1.1.0-4 all [installed,automatic] python-mailmanclient/bionic,now 3.1.1-5 all [installed,automatic] python3-mailman-hyperkitty/bionic,now 1.1.0-4 all [installed,automatic] Error reported in log with debug enabled: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 214, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "falcon/api.py", line 215, in falcon.api.API.__call__ (falcon/api.c:2872) File "falcon/api.py", line 189, in falcon.api.API.__call__ (falcon/api.c:2419) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 167, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in _make_collection for resource in collection] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in <listcomp> for resource in collection] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 157, in _resource_as_dict resource = self._make_resource(request.id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 78, in _make_resource resource['msg'] = msg.as_string() File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 158, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 272, in _handle_multipart g.flatten(part, unixfrom=False, linesep=self._NL) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 243, in _handle_text msg.set_payload(payload, charset) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 315, in set_payload payload = payload.encode(charset.output_charset) UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 8-9: ordinal not in range(128) I'm sorry if this is a query that's answered already but I have not been able to find matching thread that seems to relate to my error. Thanks for any advice on where to look next. Cheers, Simon. _ [State Library of NSW]<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> Simon Handfield Desktop and Infrastructure Leader simon.handfield(a)sl.nsw.gov.au<mailto:simon.handfield@sl.nsw.gov.au> +61 2 9273 1535 Macquarie Street, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia www.sl.nsw.gov.au<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.

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How to set the original sender to the Reply-To?
by Marcel Pietschmann Sept. 12, 2020

Sept. 12, 2020

Hi everybody, I have a settings problem. Mailman adds the original sender to the Reply-To or Cc in the case where there's a reply to setting in force on the list. In my case, mailman sets the sender always to Cc. How can i change it? Greets Marcel My settings: Personalize = None Anonymous list = No Reply to list = No Munging DMARC = Munge the From: header with list adress

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Failed first login
by Massimo Zappalà Sept. 11, 2020

Sept. 11, 2020

Hi everyone, i installed mailman3-full on debian 10. During installation, it asks me to enter the admin user credentials. After configuration, I restart mailman3 and mailman3-web. When I try to log in for the first time by entering the admin credentials, a message warns me that the credentials are incorrect. I looked at the mailman logs, but I find nothing. It seems that it is a django authentication problem, because even in the django admin panel I can't log in. Looking at the mailman3web db, in the auth_user table, I see the admin user. How can I see why it does not accept the credentials? Thank you in advance

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Affinity and Empathy Are Now Available
by Brian Carpenter Sept. 11, 2020

Sept. 11, 2020

Dear Mailman 3 Users, We have launched Affinity and Empathy and they now are part of our shared and cloud Mailman 3 hosting services. Affinity replaces Postorius and Empathy replaces Hyperkitty. You can read more at https://mailmanhost.com Please email me off-list if you have any questions. Brian Carpenter Harmony Lists

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Messages disappearing into hole??
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Sept. 11, 2020

Sept. 11, 2020

Folks, I have been trying to set up a mailing list that is mostly for message distribution, so there is a single sender of messages and multiple receivers, but the receivers are moderated. I wouldn't mind receiver messages being explicitly rejected but that's not an issue for now. I looked around the interface and decided to set up the sender as a non-member, as that appeared to permit them to be "special" and outside of the normal access rules for the list. Before I did that I could send a message from this sender and that would be sent to me as list owner for moderation, so both incoming (from my mailserver) and outgoing (to it) can be completed. However, with a non-member who is auto-accepted the message is passed from my mailserver to mailman and then disappears. I cannot find anything in the logs to indicate what happened next. I have tried setting the default non-member policy to both 'hold' and 'default' with no change in that behaviour. The logs for the mailserver show the message being sent to mailman; mailman's "smtp.log" shows an LMTP message being received ok, and then nothing. Any ideas how to find out what is going on? I can share config if that helps but not sure what would be useful. As a side-issue, at one point I added a regex matching the sender address to the acceptable members list, but find that I cannot now delete it (using postorius): If I delete the field and Save, it returns on page refresh. Regards, Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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messages go to shunt queue
by Danil Smirnov Sept. 10, 2020

Sept. 10, 2020

Hi guys, I've faced weird Core behaviour after the last upgrade of the docker images. All the messages sent to a list now go straight to shunt queue with the following error in the logs: --- Sep 06 22:41:32 2020 (27) Uncaught runner exception: 0 Sep 06 22:41:32 2020 (27) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/runners/incoming.py", line 79, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, start_chain) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/core/chains.py", line 57, in process if link.rule.check(mlist, msg, msgdata): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 314, in check if maybe_mitigate(mlist, address): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 286, in maybe_mitigate answer = is_reject_or_quarantine( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 217, in is_reject_or_quarantine for record in txt_rec.items[0].strings) KeyError: 0 Sep 06 22:41:32 2020 (27) SHUNTING: 1599432092.4326646+4cbb58a0dd5d9705946ca583835e63ec175536e3 I'm witnessing the same behaviour in two different installations for all the messages sent to list (with plain text body like "it's a test"). --- Any insight would be greatly appreciated! Danil Smirnov

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Please help: Mailaman3 -
by Jane Anara Sept. 6, 2020

Sept. 6, 2020

Hello everyone, I hope my questions don't sound ridiculous. In my team, I have been tasked with moving our mailman installations from version 1:2.1 to the current version, mailman3. I followed the documentations online and installed all the components, created a Django project and configured settings.py and url.py. However, when I run the development server, I receive the following on the body of Postorius main page: Page not found This page either doesn't exist, or it moved somewhere else. Clicking on the "Lists" menu link, I receive the following: HTTP Error 404: <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge"> <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1"> <title>example.com</title> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/django-mailman3/css/main.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/css/style.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/libs/fonts/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css" type="text/css" media="all" />    </head> <body> <nav class="navbar navbar-expand-md navbar-light bg-light navbar-default"> <div class="container"> <div class="navbar-header"> <button type="button" class="navbar-toggler collapsed" data-toggle="collapse" data-target="#header-nav" aria-expanded="false"> <span class="sr-only">Toggle navigation</span> <span class="fa fa-bars"></span> </button> <a class="navbar-brand" href="/mailman3/lists/"><span><img src="/static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png" alt="Mailman logo"/> Postorius</span></a> </div> <div class="collapse navbar-collapse" id="header-nav"> <ul class="nav navbar-nav mr-auto"> <li class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/" class="nav-link"> <span class="fa fa-envelope"></span> Lists </a></li> <li class="nav-item"><a href="/archives/" class="nav-link"> <span class="fa fa-comment"></span> Archives </a></li> </ul> <ul class="nav navbar-nav navbar-right"> <li class="nav-item"><a class="nav-link" href="/accounts/login/?next=/3.1/lists"> <span class="fa fa-sign-in"></span> Login </a></li> <li class="nav-item"><a class="nav-link" href="/accounts/signup/?next=/3.1/lists"> <span class="fa fa-user-plus"></span> Sign Up </a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> <div class="container" role="main"> <h1>Page not found</h1> <div class="alert alert-danger">This page either doesn't exist, or it moved somewhere else.</div> </div> <footer class="footer"> <div class="container"> <p class="text-center"> <a href="https://postorius.readthedocs.org">Postorius Documentation</a> • <a href="http://list.org">GNU Mailman</a> • Postorius Version 1.3.3 • Happy Mailman Day! </p> </div> </footer> <script src="/static/postorius/libs/jquery/jquery-1.11.3.min.js"></script> <script src="https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/popper.js/1.11.0/umd/popper.min.js" integrity="sha384-b/U6ypiBEHpOf/4+1nzFpr53nxSS+GLCkfwBdFNTxtclqqenISfwAzpKaMNFNmj4" crossorigin="anonymous"></script> <script src="/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/js/bootstrap.min.js"></script> <script src="/static/django-mailman3/js/main.js"></script> <script src="/static/postorius/js/script.js"></script> </body> </html> So far, the Postorious component is where there seem to be issues, all other link or component produce no errors thus far. Please advice on how I can troubleshoot this. I herein include the relevant sessions of my settings.py file and url.py which I have tweaked with various configurations to no avail. settings.py: # Application definition INSTALLED_APPS = [ # Apps added for mailman components 'hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'mailmanclient', # Other useful apps 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', # end other useful apps 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', ] url.py: urlpatterns = [ #Django admin path('admin/', admin.site.urls), path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), path('archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), path('', include('django_mailman3.urls')), path('accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), #path('postorius', include('postorius.urls')), #path('lists/', list_index), path('search/', include('haystack.urls')), #url(r'^$', list_index), ] Note that when I uncomment the lines relating to list_index or use configurations similar to that on mailman-suit, I get: NameError: name 'list_index' is not defined. Looking forward to any help anyone can render. Thank you! Regards, Jane.

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Struggling with log rotation in Docker context
by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie Sept. 5, 2020

Sept. 5, 2020

I'm running Mailman 3 via maxking's Docker implementation, and had an incident recently where something went badly wrong, and the file uwsgi-error.log filled up. As a consequence, so did the file system where that file resides,and things ground to a halt. The file is visible on the Docker host as /opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log. I am unsure about how to rotate this file correctly. I could use logrotate on the host, but I can't locate any documentation that describes how to signal the relevant processes inside the mailman-web container. (Maybe this should be done within the container?) I'd be grateful for any good advice on this. Stephen

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mailman procesing small amount of mail, then stop process them like 30 seconds, and then loop back
by mathias.bedu＠epitech.eu Sept. 4, 2020

Sept. 4, 2020

Hi, I am currently trying to optimize my mailman installation, which is working. The only issue is that i see that mailman seems to process a few number of messages (around 50 each times), then stopping, and then processing few next messages. I spend quite some times searching for eventual parameters that could slow down. I precise that the machine itself is largely more powerful than what mailman is using. So my question is : could you give me some leads for potentials parameters or stuff like this that i could modify to optimize the installation ? Best regards, Mathias

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Unsubscribe Notifications Clarification
by Brian Carpenter Sept. 3, 2020

Sept. 3, 2020

I am trying to understand how Mailman 3 handles unsubscribe notifications. From my testing I see the following behavior: 1. If list member sends email to listname-leave@listname, an unsubscribe notification is sent to both list owner and list member if list settings have them enabled. 2. If list list member is a registered user of Postorius and he uses Postorius to unsubscribe, then no notification is sent out to either list owner or list member, even if list settings has unsubscribe notifications enabled. Is this correct? Brian

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adding imprint / private policy link to postorius
by Thomas Stein Sept. 3, 2020

Sept. 3, 2020

Hello one and all. Is it possible to add an imprint link to the postorius start page? I guess it is, but it would be nice if someone could me point to the right direction / documentation. Something like they have: https://lists.openrailwaymap.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ cheers, t.

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Timeout in Postorius when trying to approve or reject moderated messages
by Sebastian Hagedorn Aug. 30, 2020

Aug. 30, 2020

Hi, I just set up a new Mailman 3 Suite installation (GNU Mailman 3.3.1 (Tom Sawyer)) on CentOS 7 using the virtualenv installation guide: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html I encountered a few issues, but I was able to resolve all of them, I think. All three components of the suite are up and running. The backend is a MariaDB database, the frontend is Apache with mod_wsgi. I can send messages to the server, and they are delivered to list members. One thing that I can't figure out is why I can't approve or reject messages that are held for moderation. In case it matters, I'm trying to moderate the list using the "root" account. Discarding works, but when I try to either accept or reject a message, there is a timeout. I can't find anything in mailman.log, mailmansuite.log or even /var/log/httpd/access_log. I managed to reject and approve messages manually using mailmanclient and the REST API, so the issue appears to be somewhere between Postorius 1.3.3 and mailmancore. Any ideas? -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - Weyertal 121 (Gebäude 133), Zimmer 2.02.:. .:.Regionales Rechenzentrum (RRZK).:. .:.Universität zu Köln / Cologne University - ✆ +49-221-470-89578.:.

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Throttle outgoing emails to a certain rate?
by arvid.teichtmann＠gmx.de Aug. 21, 2020

Aug. 21, 2020

Is there a possibility to throttle the sending of outgoing emails to a certain rate, e.g. 100 emails per hour, or to split them up into corresponding chunks? I run Mailman 2.1.33 on a hosted server and the provider only allows me to send a maximum of 100 emails per hour. The excess emails are also simply discarded and the sender and list administrator get a bunch of error emails. This is very annoying, especially because I didn't know about it and the problem only now occurs occasionally during operation... ;-( Thanks for all hints.

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Spam sign ups
by Seth Seeger Aug. 21, 2020

Aug. 21, 2020

Hello all, I've suddenly started getting a slow but steady stream of fake sign ups. They fail because I'm getting a bounce back from the mail host saying that the email address they signed up with doesn't exist. I know this was asked a while back on this list, but I'm hoping there might be an update? Any way to add an am-I-human test to the sign up? Thanks, Seth

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mailman not starting, status is active (exited)
by Ricardo Kleemann Aug. 19, 2020

Aug. 19, 2020

Hi, After quite a long time with no issues, I’ve started having a problem where mailman won’t start and I don’t see any clear error message I’m running on Ubuntu, not sure which mailman version (forgot how to determine). Here is the status info sudo systemctl status mailman ● mailman.service - LSB: Mailman Master Queue Runner Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/mailman; generated) Active: active (exited) since Wed 2020-08-19 07:38:59 PDT; 2h 46min ago Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8) Process: 2351 ExecStop=/etc/init.d/mailman stop (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 2386 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/mailman start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Aug 19 07:38:59 relay1 systemd[1]: Starting LSB: Mailman Master Queue Runner... Aug 19 07:38:59 relay1 systemd[1]: Started LSB: Mailman Master Queue Runner Any ideas? thanks Ricardo

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mailman stopped working, it shows active (exited)
by Ricardo Kleemann Aug. 19, 2020

Aug. 19, 2020

Hi, it’s been quite a while since I’ve been back to the list, mailman has been working very well for me But recently it has stopped working. I’m not exactly sure what I did to cause this. I’m not seeing any clear error message. Running on Ubuntu linux, I don’t quite remember how to determine my mailman version. Here’s the status info sudo systemctl status mailman.service ● mailman.service - LSB: Mailman Master Queue Runner Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/mailman; generated) Active: active (exited) since Wed 2020-08-19 07:38:59 PDT; 13min ago Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8) Process: 2351 ExecStop=/etc/init.d/mailman stop (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 2386 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/mailman start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Aug 19 07:38:59 relay1 systemd[1]: Starting LSB: Mailman Master Queue Runner... Aug 19 07:38:59 relay1 systemd[1]: Started LSB: Mailman Master Queue Runner.

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Invalid confirm text
by w.schoener＠alp.dillingen.de Aug. 19, 2020

Aug. 19, 2020

Hi there, I am new to mailman 3, python and django. I try to configure a mailman 3 list. To establish german text, I used the web-admin interface of mm3 in the "templates"-section. I inserted a text for "The message sent to subscribers when a subscription confirmation is required" Now, when I try to subscribe to the list, I get my first message in german language, with the confirm request: return the message unchange. When I return the message, I get an answer: Invalid confirm text. My request is pending. And there is no way to solve this pending request, in the webinterface, no subscription request is shown, no member is shown and no no-member is shown. Have you any hint, what is going wrong. What do I have to respect to create a message, where the confirmation is working. Thank you Wolfgang

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Single-Sign-out for List member
by w.schoener＠alp.dillingen.de Aug. 17, 2020

Aug. 17, 2020

Hello, I have to configure mailman 3 for a german company. The privacy policy in our country demands for mailing-lists, that its member can sign out in one step, it is called sigle-sign-out. So I would like to ad a link in the footer of every message, with which every receiver/member can sign out of the newsletter with one click. It does not seam to be possible, to put this into effect with mailman 3. Does anybody have any hints, how to create a link, and when this link is called, the user is signed out of the newsletter. Thank you, Wolfgang

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postfix docker image
by Danil Smirnov Aug. 16, 2020

Aug. 16, 2020

Hi, For those who are using Abhilash's Docker images for Mailman 3 deployment and willing to up Postfix as a container - I've created a lightweight Docker image for this purpose: https://github.com/danil-smirnov/docker-postfix It has been tested for awhile already. I'd appreciate more testing and bug reports/feature requests. Best regards, Danil Smirnov https://mailman3.com/

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base64 re-encoding and line endings
by David Bremner Aug. 15, 2020

Aug. 15, 2020

I (along with some other admins) run a mailman3 (3.2.1, on debian stable) mailing list for notmuch (https://notmuchmail.org) It's our main method of reviewing, so we get lots of mail from git-send-email. Occasionaly people send it with Content-Transfer-Encoding 8bit. As far as I can tell what happens then is mailman3 re-encodes it as base64, taking the line endings as CRLF. git-am is unable to apply the patches that have been re-encoded. This seems somewhat related to [1]. Like one commentator there, I would be happy to be able to turn off the re-encoding, although I have the feeling from playing with the python email libraries that this might not be that easy. I'm writing in hope that someone can suggest another workaround, perhaps some kind line-ending rewriting before base64 encoding. I guess with 8bit transfer encoding there probably isn't a clear distinction between the line-endings on the wire, and the intended line-endings for delivery, but it could be inferred from the "X-Mailer: git-send-email" header. As a test, I sent the same patch through our mailman instance with Content-Transfer-Encoding base64 and that applies fine, since the original \n line endings are inside the base64 container. It's a known mis-feature of git-am that it can handle either CRLF line endings or base64 encoding, but not the combination of both. I have a local workaround involving re-formatting the patches, but I'd really like anyone to be able to apply the patches from the list archive. [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/269

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Announce Only List
by joseverde＠gmail.com Aug. 14, 2020

Aug. 14, 2020

So if we want to make a list announce only (e.g. only specific folks) can post, I've found I can set the list settings to automatically discard messages from members and non-members. Then I go into the individual permissions on each user to be allowed to post without moderation. This works fine, however it seems cumbersome. My expected solution was to make the announce only members moderators - however it appears being a moderator does not give any special ability to post to the list (nor does it appear to make you a 'member' from the point of mailman when sending messages to the list, since a moderator who is not a subscriber gets treated like a nonmember from the posting permissions perspective). Is this correct?

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Missing mailman archives?
by Marco Marinello Aug. 12, 2020

Aug. 12, 2020

I've recently migrated from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3 but I'm setting up Hyperkitty just now. I imported the old mbox and that worked fine but now I'm missing the mails in the time between Mailman 3 started working and now: mailman config reports [paths.custom] var_dir: /opt/mailman/var But root@mm:/opt/mailman/var# find . . [OMISS] ./archives Where are the e-mails? Can I import them into Hyperkitty? Thanks, Marco

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Hold messages that have binary attachments
by Quanah Gibson-Mount Aug. 12, 2020

Aug. 12, 2020

Is there a way to configure a list automatically put a hold on messages that have binary attachments such as jpgs, pngs, etc? Thanks, Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

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How to Unshunt Specific Message ?
by Shashikanth Komandoor Aug. 12, 2020

Aug. 12, 2020

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 in production environment from the past 3 months almost. I learnt how to unshunt the messages that got unshunted in mailman 3. But the command *mailman unshunt* would unshunt all the messages in the shunt queue. I want only a specific message to be unshunted and resent. I don't find my requirement reached with the help of *mailman unshunt*. Please suggest. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Removing users account
by Massimo Zappalà Aug. 11, 2020

Aug. 11, 2020

Hi everybody, is there a method that allows the list administrator to delete a user account? I run this version: Mailman Core Version 3.2.1 Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3 Postorius 1.2.4 HyperKitty version 1.2.2 Thanks Max

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How to create user accounts and mail addresses through CURL instead of Site Administration ?
by Shashikanth Komandoor Aug. 11, 2020

Aug. 11, 2020

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 in production environment from the past 3 months almost. I am currently automating a few things using the CURL commands but only postorius related as of now. Now I have a requirement. I need to create a lot many users and their mapping email ids through Site Administration almost daily. But it is becoming to do the same through Graphical Interface. So, I just want to know the CURL commands that can be used to create the user accounts and email ids mapped to user accounts. Please do the needful. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Better documentation for Mailman Core's config options
by Abhilash Raj Aug. 7, 2020

Aug. 7, 2020

Hey All, For the past few days, I've been trying to improve the documentation style for Mailman Core's config options. Internally, Mailman has all configurations defined in an ini formatted `schema.cfg` file, which serves as a schema for our `zope.configuration` library. We had that file simply embedded in the sphinx documentation previously as a wall of text. I ended up writing a Sphinx (our documentation generator) plugin which parses the config file and presents the same documentation with more bells and whistles so it is easier to lookup and link sections and config options.[1] The process of doing that was fun and I learnt how to write a simple sphinx plugin, so yay! It treats the comments above each config option in the ini file as it's doc and basically generates ReST text that it passes to Sphinx to parse and convert to the markup format that you see in browser. You can look at it in the source repo[2] . Do note that not all sections are documented yet, I am still figuring out what would be a good way to document template sections like `[plugins.master]` and other similar sections of that kind. [1]: https://gnu-mailman--667.org.readthedocs.build/projects/mailman/en/667/src/… ((URL is for the PR, the main doc seems like is serving the cached version from an older build). [2]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/_ext/configplugin.py -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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How to turn off Emergency Moderation for imported MM2 lists?
by Brian Carpenter Aug. 7, 2020

Aug. 7, 2020

I recently imported a number of MM2 lists into MM3. Unfortunately, the person had emergency moderation turned on for these lists. Since EM is not exposed to Postorius what can be done to reverse this? Thanks, Brian

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Installation Help on Ubuntu 18
by joseverde＠gmail.com Aug. 3, 2020

Aug. 3, 2020

Hi folks, I spent many hours last night trying to get Mailman 3 up and running. I am using Ubuntu on a Digital Ocean LAMP droplet (so PHP, Apache, Sql, and Postfix are already installed). The LAMP stack works as I have a successful installation of YOURLS going on. So, I tried to use this guide (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan…) to install the Mailman3 package and got to the configuration screen (the one with all the DOS-esque GUI). I ran it but it kept saying the DB wasn't installed. Was I supposed to create SQL databases and users before running that and use those usernames/databases in the credentials it asks for? It doesn't seem like that in the way it asks the questions (since it asks to create a password) but I wasn't sure. Anywho, I tried to remove the package completely and restart but I keep spinning my wheels. So my questions: 1. Does that guide actually work? Did I just foul up the database part? 2. Is there a better way to install mailman3 with some nice step-by-step directions to follow? 3. Is there a way to completely wipe my previous installs without wiping the server? ( I didn't back up...silly I know ). I used apt-get --purge remove to uninstall mailman3 and mailman to start over, did that do the trick? Sorry for all the questions.

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Custom Templates and reject_message() error
by Marcel Pietschmann Aug. 2, 2020

Aug. 2, 2020

Hi everyone, I'm running Mailman 3 in maxking's Docker container (tag 0.3). Mailman3 runs really well, thanks for that good job! But I noticed two errors. 1) When a new list is created, Mailman will not notify the list owners of their new mailing list. I tested it with the default template "domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt" and my own template (which i copied in $var_dir/templates/domains/DOMAIN/de/ Any customs templates in $var_dir/templates... aren't sent out, always the default templates from /usr/lib/python3/site-packages/mailman/templates/de. I can't find anything in the logs for that issue. 2) When a post requires an approval and I reject it with a notification a server error occurs: "An error occurred while processing your request." The Traceback in mailmanweb.log is: ERROR 2020-08-01 16:19:19,926 17 django.request Internal Server Error: /postorius/lists/list.domain.de/held_messages/moderate Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py", line 40, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 21, in _wrapped_view return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 60, in wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 549, in moderate_held_message mailing_list.reject_message(msg.request_id, reason=reason) TypeError: reject_message() got an unexpected keyword argument 'reason' Thanks a lot for any suggestion. Greets Marcel Mailman Core Version: 3.3.1 Mailman Core API Version: 3.1 Postorius Version 1.3.3 HyperKitty Version 1.3.3

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Mailman 3.2.0 Hyperkitty fulltext index error
by Marvin Gülker July 31, 2020

July 31, 2020

Hi, I've just upgraded to Mailman 3.2.0 (finally everything Python 3 now, thanks!) and it appears to work. However, there's a repeating error message in mailman-suite's logfile for Hyperkitty that looks like this: ERROR 2018-07-12 14:28:33,895 2742 hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index: ord() expected a character, but string of length 0 found Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 179, in run_with_lock fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 115, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 276, in update_backend last_max_pk=max_pk) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 97, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 178, in update self.setup() File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 126, in setup self.index = self.storage.open_index(schema=self.schema) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/filedb/filestore.py", line 176, in open_index return indexclass(self, schema=schema, indexname=indexname) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 421, in __init__ TOC.read(self.storage, self.indexname, schema=self._schema) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 632, in read check_size("int", _INT_SIZE) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 626, in check_size sz = stream.read_varint() File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/filedb/structfile.py", line 191, in read_varint return read_varint(self.read) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/util/varints.py", line 102, in read_varint b = ord(readfn(1)) TypeError: ord() expected a character, but string of length 0 found The error repeats every minute, so I suppose it comes from the minutely cronjob. This cronjob looks like this: * * * * * mailman bash -c 'cd /home/mailman && . /home/mailman/env3/bin/activate && django-admin runjobs minutely --pythonpath /home/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settings' What's wrong here? Marvin -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F

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Owner's or Moderator's Lists
by Johnny Cison July 31, 2020

July 31, 2020

I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but is there a page in Postorius that lists all of the lists of which the user is the owner or moderator? When I visit the /lists/ URL as an admin, I see a full list. When I visit the /lists/ URL without being logged in, I see public lists. I've heard from two people who are list owners (and confirmed they're logged in and their email is showing as verified) that they also just see the public lists on the /lists/ page. (I tried searching the archives and didn't see anything that addressed this. My apologies if I overlooked it!)

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Good choice of defaults for content filtering?
by hansen＠rc.org July 31, 2020

July 31, 2020

Hi all, I had MM2 set to the default filtering that I think came OOTB. MM3 has none such and I was wondering: a. What were those MM2 defaults (My MM2 server is long gone now). b. Is there a better set today. I know that MIME types can be faked, but they have worked. I want to avoid anything that can contain malicious code while also allowing simple text to go through. Yours, Allan

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A little stuck with installation of MM3 - ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'flufl.lock'
by Odhiambo Washington July 30, 2020

July 30, 2020

I decided to try this again, on FreeBSD-12.1 I still decided to follow https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience which I know is not the main documentation, but I find the process easier to follow. I am also taking notes to see if I could share if I manage to succeed. This is important for me because Python-2.7 is being removed from FreeBSD in Dec 2020. I need to bail out of mailman-2.x before that happens so I am trying my hand again om MM3. I have failed before :-) I am stuck at this step: (venv) [root@gw /opt/mailman/mm]# /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman-post-update + '[' False == False ']' + mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/static + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('Django==3.0.8', 'console_scripts', 'django-admin')()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 401, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 377, in execute django.setup() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/__init__.py", line 24, in setup apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/apps/registry.py", line 114, in populate app_config.import_models() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/apps/config.py", line 211, in import_models self.models_module = import_module(models_module_name) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 728, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.3.4-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/models/__init__.py", line 26, in <module> from .email import Attachment, Email File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.3.4-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/models/email.py", line 35, in <module> from .mailinglist import MailingList File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.3.4-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py", line 37, in <module> from hyperkitty.lib.utils import pgsql_disable_indexscan File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.3.4-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 42, in <module> from flufl.lock import Lock *ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'flufl.lock'* (venv) [root@gw /opt/mailman/mm]# pip install flufl.lock Requirement already satisfied: flufl.lock in ./venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/flufl.lock-4.0-py3.7.egg (4.0) Requirement already satisfied: atpublic in ./venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/atpublic-1.0-py3.7.egg (from flufl.lock) (1.0) Requirement already satisfied: psutil in ./venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/psutil-5.7.2-py3.7-freebsd-12.1-RELEASE-p7-amd64.egg (from flufl.lock) (5.7.2) Even after the 'pip install flufl.lock' it still doesn't find it! I have had a similar problem earlier with installing pylibmc. It could not find libmemcache.h despite it being inside /usr/local/include somewhere and I luckily solved that with export LIBMEMCACHED=/usr/local && pip install pylibmc. I am wondering if there is an equivalent to resolve this one with flufl.lock. Thanks in advance. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

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500 Internal Server Error on specific list pages
by Johnny Cison July 30, 2020

July 30, 2020

I have a new Mailman 3 server set up and am having a strange issue with just one particular list. Accessing the list's Info page URL or it's Archiving Settings page URL returns a 500 Internal Server Error, but its other pages work correctly. Also, the Info and Archiving pages on the other lists are working correctly. When I access the info page for the problem list, I get these errors in the log: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 41, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 249, in _legacy_get_response response = self._get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 187, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 185, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 68, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/postorius/views/generic.py", line 59, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 88, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 216, in get 'hyperkitty' in self.mailing_list.archivers and File "/usr/lib/python2.7/_abcoll.py", line 388, in __contains__ self[key] File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 151, in __getitem__ return self._get(key) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 90, in _get return self.rest_data[key] File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 76, in rest_data response, content = self._connection.call(self._url) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 103, in call raise HTTPError(url, response.status, content, response, None) HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator. When I access the Archiving page in Settings, I get these: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 41, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 249, in _legacy_get_response response = self._get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 187, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 185, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 23, in _wrapped_view return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 39, in wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 719, in list_settings form = form_class(initial=initial_data, mlist=m_list) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/postorius/forms.py", line 303, in __init__ [(key, key) for key in sorted(self._mlist.archivers.keys())]) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 172, in keys return list(self) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 166, in __len__ return len(self.rest_data) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 76, in rest_data response, content = self._connection.call(self._url) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 103, in call raise HTTPError(url, response.status, content, response, None) HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator. Not a python developer, which makes debugging based on the above more difficult. I've seen some other errors posted to this list that highlight specific setting or config issues, but I'm not seeing that in these. Any ideas?

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The email confirming the registration of an account on postorius is not correctly translated in Italian
by Massimo Zappalà July 30, 2020

July 30, 2020

Hi everyone, thanks to the files.po on Weblate, I have translated all Mailman-Core, Postorius, Hyperkitty and Django_mailman3. I have also translated the confirmation message to subscribe to a list. Everything works, except for this: When I register a new account on postorius, he sends me a confirmation email totally in English, except the following final block which is sent in Italian: in my /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/django.po #: templates/account/email/email_confirmation_message.txt:7 #, python-format msgid "" "Thank you from %(site_name)s!\n" "%(site_domain)s" msgstr "" "Grazie da %(site_name)s!\n" "%(site_domain)s" By carefully analyzing the same file .po, I notice that the Italian translation of the whole text already exists. Why does the confirmation email arrive in English? #: templates/account/email/email_confirmation_message.txt:1 #, fuzzy, python-format #| msgid "" #| "User %(user_display)s at %(site_name)s has given this as an email " #| "address.\n" #| "\n" #| "To confirm this is correct, go to %(activate_url)s\n" msgid "" "Hello from %(site_name)s!\n" "\n" "You're receiving this e-mail because user %(user_display)s has given yours " "as an e-mail address to connect their account.\n" "\n" "To confirm this is correct, go to %(activate_url)s\n" msgstr "" "Ciao da %(site_name)s!\n" "\n" "L'Utente %(user_display)s di %(site_name)s ha registrato questo indirizzo e-" "mail.\n" "Per confermare, clicca qui %(activate_url)s\n" Thanks Max

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Change language to welcome message in mailman3
by Massimo Zappalà July 30, 2020

July 30, 2020

Hi everyone, My Version installed on Debian buster: mailman3: 3.2.1 postorius: 1.2.4 hyperkitty: 1.2.2 All interfaces work well in Italian language, but "Welcome message" is in English. I'm trying to change the language to the "Welcome message" with mailman shell, but it doesn't work sudo mailman shell -l test(a)pratico.work >>>m.preferred_language='it' >>>commit() >>>CTRL-D This is my file /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py LANGUAGE_CODE = 'it-IT' TIME_ZONE = 'Europe/Rome' USE_I18N = False USE_L10N = True USE_TZ = True Would anyone know how to do it? Thank you Max

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Anyone integrated Single Sign On like Azure SSO with Mailman3?
by Jacob Bargery July 29, 2020

July 29, 2020

We are looking at whether it is possible to integrate Azure Single Sign On with Mailman3 to streamline use for our users, has anyone had any luck with doing this? If so, how did you go about doing so? Thanks

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mailman2 import not working
by Abhijith PA July 29, 2020

July 29, 2020

Hello. Recently I migrated a mailman2 mailing list to mailmam3. There was one problem[1] I faced. Currently I am running Debian packaged version (3.2.2-1) which don't have this fix. But it was manually done with this[2] method. Basically this is what I did for migration: ------------------------------------------- mailman create -o <foo(a)example.com> foo-bar(a)lists.example.com mailman import 21 foo-bar(a)lists.example.com path/to/config.pck ------------------------------------------- Then imported archives with ------------------------------------------ python3 manage.py hyperkitty_import --pythonpath /usr/share/mailman3-web --settings settings -l foo-list(a)list.example.com <path to>/foo-list.mbox python3 manage.py update_index_one_list foo-list(a)example.com --pythonpath /usr/share/mailman3-web --settings settings ------------------------------------------ After everything done tried a test mail, but didn't reach any of the inbox though mail is archived. mailman.log says message is accepted ACCEPT: <FEE2E515-C054-41E6-9853-744D3312A137(a)xxxxxx.org> Nothing after this. On smtp.log we have Jul 29 16:11:52 2020 (16161) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 54792) Jul 29 16:11:52 2020 (16161) ('127.0.0.1', 54792) handling connection Jul 29 16:11:52 2020 (16161) ('127.0.0.1', 54792) Data: b'LHLO lists.xxxxxxx.in' Jul 29 16:11:52 2020 (16161) ('127.0.0.1', 54792) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<abhijith(a)xxxxxxxxx.org>' Jul 29 16:11:52 2020 (16161) ('127.0.0.1', 54792) sender: abhijith(a)xxxxxxx.org Jul 29 16:11:52 2020 (16161) ('127.0.0.1', 54792) Data: b'RCPT TO:<temptest(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxx.in>' Jul 29 16:11:52 2020 (16161) ('127.0.0.1', 54792) recip: temptest(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxx.in Jul 29 16:11:52 2020 (16161) ('127.0.0.1', 54792) Data: b'DATA' Jul 29 16:11:52 2020 (16161) ('127.0.0.1', 54792) Data: b'QUIT' Please help. Abhijith [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… [2] - https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…

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Could not locate column in row for column 'user.id'
by Shashikanth Komandoor July 28, 2020

July 28, 2020

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 in production environment from the past 2 months almost. From the past few days, I found my server is responding to the users very slowly and throwing the Server Error page (of course getting the required page after multiple refreshes) for almost every click on the postorius pages (not yet observed on hyperkitty front end which in fact is not so important for me as of now). During that time, I observed in the mailman.log an error message saying "Could not locate column in row for column 'user.id'". The complete traceback log is attached with the mail. The error message is generated for almost all the lists and all the clicks. And despite this error message, I don't know how the required page is loaded after a few refreshes of the webpage. I don't know how to resolve this issue. Please advise. Also, please let me know if anything I need to share with you. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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Creating superuser - problem with documentation or it's just me?
by Odhiambo Washington July 28, 2020

July 28, 2020

Hi, In my quest to create a superuser, I followed another HOWTO - https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html (venv) [root@gw /opt/mailman/git/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project]# python manage.py migrate Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 401, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 377, in execute django.setup() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/__init__.py", line 24, in setup apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/apps/registry.py", line 114, in populate app_config.import_models() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/apps/config.py", line 211, in import_models self.models_module = import_module(models_module_name) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 728, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/git/hyperkitty/hyperkitty/models/__init__.py", line 25, in <module> from .category import ThreadCategory File "/opt/mailman/git/hyperkitty/hyperkitty/models/category.py", line 61, in <module> class ThreadCategory(models.Model): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/base.py", line 121, in __new__ new_class.add_to_class('_meta', Options(meta, app_label)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/base.py", line 325, in add_to_class value.contribute_to_class(cls, name) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/options.py", line 208, in contribute_to_class self.db_table = truncate_name(self.db_table, connection.ops.max_name_length()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/db/__init__.py", line 28, in __getattr__ return getattr(connections[DEFAULT_DB_ALIAS], item) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/db/utils.py", line 207, in __getitem__ backend = load_backend(db['ENGINE']) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/db/utils.py", line 111, in load_backend return import_module('%s.base' % backend_name) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-3.0.8-py3.7.egg/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 14, in <module> from sqlite3 import dbapi2 as Database File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/sqlite3/__init__.py", line 23, in <module> from sqlite3.dbapi2 import * File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/sqlite3/dbapi2.py", line 27, in <module> from _sqlite3 import * ModuleNotFoundError: No module named '_sqlite3' *<==============================================================* (venv) [root@gw /opt/mailman/git/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project]# pip install pysqlite3 Collecting pysqlite3 Using cached pysqlite3-0.4.3.tar.gz (40 kB) Building wheels for collected packages: pysqlite3 Building wheel for pysqlite3 (setup.py) ... done WARNING: Legacy build of wheel for 'pysqlite3' created no files. Command arguments: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python -u -c 'import sys, setuptools, tokenize; sys.argv[0] = '"'"'/tmp/pip-install-ge24cqof/pysqlite3/setup.py'"'"'; __file__='"'"'/tmp/pip-install-ge24cqof/pysqlite3/setup.py'"'"';f=getattr(tokenize, '"'"'open'"'"', open)(__file__);code=f.read().replace('"'"'\r\n'"'"', '"'"'\n'"'"');f.close();exec(compile(code, __file__, '"'"'exec'"'"'))' bdist_wheel -d /tmp/pip-wheel-ou7p1uhx Command output: [use --verbose to show] Running setup.py clean for pysqlite3 Failed to build pysqlite3 Installing collected packages: pysqlite3 Running setup.py install for pysqlite3 ... done Successfully installed pysqlite3 <============================================================== But even after that, the error about *'ModuleNotFoundError: No module named '_sqlite3'* still persists.. How does one solve this issue?? So I figured out that I need to put my own settings_local.py into the directory and let the command rely on MySQL as the database backend since by default, it uses sqlite3 backend. But the question then is WHY is this not documented on the above page??? How can I delete the superuser after creating it?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

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# comment allowed in a template file?
by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie July 28, 2020

July 28, 2020

I've found that dropping files in to the templates directory is a simple and convenient way to make certain things happen. E.g. I can set a default footer for all posts by putting the desired content in a file called var/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer.txt. I'm running Mailman 3 in maxking's Docker container. I'm also using Puppet to do as much configuration as possible, so I'd like to add a comment to the file that reads something like: # This file is managed by Puppet. Is it ok to do this? I may not have searched the docs enough, but I couldn't find anything relating to comments. One other observation in case it's any use: Initially, I created the template files with owner set to "root". This resulted in postings to lists getting stuck in mailman-core. It's vital that these files are owned by user "mailman". Once I changed the owner of the file to the latter, everything worked. Stephen

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MM3 not starting afte an upgrade
by Gelpi Andrea July 28, 2020

July 28, 2020

Hi, to day in a Debian system I upgraded some packages. After the MM3 doesn't start anymore. These are the packages I upgraded: [UPGRADE] clamav:amd64 0.102.3+dfsg-1 -> 0.102.4+dfsg-1 [UPGRADE] clamav-base:amd64 0.102.3+dfsg-1 -> 0.102.4+dfsg-1 [UPGRADE] clamav-daemon:amd64 0.102.3+dfsg-1 -> 0.102.4+dfsg-1 [UPGRADE] clamav-freshclam:amd64 0.102.3+dfsg-1 -> 0.102.4+dfsg-1 [UPGRADE] clamdscan:amd64 0.102.3+dfsg-1 -> 0.102.4+dfsg-1 [UPGRADE] gcc-10-base:amd64 10.1.0-4 -> 10.1.0-6 [UPGRADE] libc-l10n:amd64 2.30-8 -> 2.31-1 [UPGRADE] libclamav9:amd64 0.102.3+dfsg-1 -> 0.102.4+dfsg-1 [UPGRADE] libgcc-s1:amd64 10.1.0-4 -> 10.1.0-6 [UPGRADE] libnss3:amd64 2:3.42.1-1+deb10u2 -> 2:3.42.1-1+deb10u3 [UPGRADE] python3-django-hyperkitty:amd64 1.3.2-1 -> 1.3.2-1.1 [UPGRADE] python3-django-postorius:amd64 1.3.2-2 -> 1.3.2-2.1 [UPGRADE] qemu-guest-agent:amd64 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u5 -> 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u6 MM3 on start up says: Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: Traceback (most recent call last): Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: load_entry_point('mailman==3.2.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 764, in __call__ Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 717, in main Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: rv = self.invoke(ctx) Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: return super().invoke(ctx) Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1137, in invoke Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 956, in invoke Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 555, in invoke Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: return callback(*args, **kwargs) Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/decorators.py", line 17, in new_func Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 81, in start Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: status, lock = master_state() Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 104, in master_state Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: os.kill(pid, 0) Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: PermissionError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted There is a permission error, but on what? Thanks for any help. Regards -- Gelpi ing. Andrea -------------------------------------------------------------- It took the computing power of three C-64s to fly to the Moon. It takes a 486 to run Windows 95. Something is wrong here. --------------------------------------------------------------

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sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()
by Shashikanth Komandoor July 28, 2020

July 28, 2020

Hi Team, Today, I found an error message like "Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()" when a hold message is approved for a list. Until yesterday the mails were accepted and delivered fine. But today the above said error message is thrown. Apart from that, I saw the mail had gone into the shunt queue. The "mailman qfile" output of the shunt message and the respective traceback log from mailman.log are attached. You may please go through them and help me out. Please also let me know if I have to share any more details. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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Running Mailman3 under supervisord
by Odhiambo Washington July 27, 2020

July 27, 2020

Hello world, Is it possible to run MM3 under supervisord? What would I use for command= ?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

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mailman3 nightly script(s) are leaking memory + mitigation
by Mark Dadgar July 24, 2020

July 24, 2020

So as I mentioned in another thread, I have a shiny new install of mailman3 latest using venv (thanks, Brian!). It’s running on ubuntu 20.04 using python 3.8.2, django 2.2.12, nginx, postgres, and memcached. The only functions this server runs are 1) postfix and dovecot for a small number of personal email accounts, and 2) mailman3 for a couple of mailing lists (one of which is fairly high traffic). Not long after install, I saw a couple of instances of the OOM killer activating in the logs. I set up a 1GB swapfile (discouraged on Digital Ocean instances because they don’t like their flash drives to take that kind of pounding) as a safety net. Then I saw the free swap space eroding over time, so I started collecting some data. Initial evening stats: top - 23:29:16 up 15 days, 9:20, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.16, 0.17 Tasks: 200 total, 1 running, 199 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 2.0 us, 1.7 sy, 0.0 ni, 96.3 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.1 si, 0.0 st MiB Mem : 3936.2 total, 264.9 free, 1651.4 used, 2019.9 buff/cache MiB Swap: 1000.0 total, 811.2 free, 188.8 used. 1854.5 avail Mem Stats the next morning: top - 08:42:15 up 13 days, 18:33, 1 user, load average: 0.29, 0.27, 0.19 Tasks: 204 total, 1 running, 203 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 2.5 us, 1.4 sy, 0.0 ni, 96.0 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.1 si, 0.0 st MiB Mem : 3936.2 total, 214.7 free, 2244.8 used, 1476.7 buff/cache MiB Swap: 1000.0 total, 500.3 free, 499.7 used. 1318.8 avail Mem Stats the next evening: top - 23:26:00 up 14 days, 9:17, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.06, 0.08 Tasks: 209 total, 1 running, 208 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 2.6 us, 1.7 sy, 0.0 ni, 95.2 id, 0.3 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.3 si, 0.1 st MiB Mem : 3936.2 total, 206.0 free, 2253.6 used, 1476.6 buff/cache MiB Swap: 1000.0 total, 485.9 free, 514.1 used. 1305.5 avail Mem Stats the following morning: top - 08:09:32 up 14 days, 18:01, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.07, 0.14 Tasks: 194 total, 1 running, 193 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 2.0 us, 1.4 sy, 0.0 ni, 96.6 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.1 si, 0.0 st MiB Mem : 3936.2 total, 270.6 free, 1974.5 used, 1691.2 buff/cache MiB Swap: 1000.0 total, 266.5 free, 733.5 used. 1545.1 avail Mem As you can see, something during the night is eating memory and not letting it go. If I restart gunicorn, I get the memory back: sudo systemctl restart gunicorn top - 08:52:29 up 14 days, 18:44, 1 user, load average: 0.71, 0.49, 0.25 Tasks: 243 total, 1 running, 242 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 6.1 us, 3.0 sy, 0.0 ni, 90.9 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st MiB Mem : 3936.2 total, 936.3 free, 1277.1 used, 1722.9 buff/cache MiB Swap: 1000.0 total, 804.8 free, 195.2 used. 2242.5 avail Mem I did a little googling and a mitigation that seems to mostly work is to have gunicorn retire its workers periodically to free up memory. gunicorn.cf: max_requests = 1000 max_requests_jitter = 50 That restarts a worker after 1000 requests and adds some jitter so they don’t all get restarted at the same time. I am still seeing the erosion of a couple of MB of swap each day, but it’s WAY better than losing 250MB-350MB overnight. FYI for others who may see this. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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Re: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman Core.
by Shashikanth Komandoor July 23, 2020

July 23, 2020

Thank you Mark for your response. I understood that gunicorn is a front end that is used like web server like nginx. But I don't think I am using it instead I am using the httpd to redirect requests to postorius. And I am starting the mailman-suite with the command "python manage.py runserver 0.0.0.0:8000 --insecure &". Hope this does not use gunicorn (which of course I don't know what it is until now). Please correct me if any point I am mentioning is wrong. So, in this case, do you think configuring gunicorn as below would work: *calling gunicorn.cfg in mailman.cfg as below * *[webservice]* *configuration: /var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/config/gunicorn.cfg* *and content of gunicorn.cfg as below* *(venv3) [root@lsmgr mailman]# cat /var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/config/gunicorn.cfg[gunicorn]# All the options that can be put here are available at# http://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/settings.html#settings <http://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/settings.html#settings># No of seconds to wait before killing the worker processes.* *workers = 4graceful_timeout = 90* Also what is the difference between timeout and graceful_timeout ? Please help me if I can increase the management better. Any guide is also helpful for me. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:10 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/22/20 9:21 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > > > Never mind please I am sending to you only instead of group as I am > > sending you the production content along with the mail. > > > See my other reply. > > > > I have configured the workers count as 4 and timeout as 900 in > > mailman.cfg under [webservice]. This is FYI. > > You can't configure Mailman's REST gunicorn workers directly in the > [webservice] section of mailman.cfg. The only thing you can configure > there is: > > configuration: /path/to/gunicorn.cfg > > That file, which is separate from your web server gunicorn.cfg, is where > you put things like > > [gunicorn] > timeout = 900 > > It also will not work to put a gunicorn section in mailman.cfg. It must > be in a separate file pointed to by webservice.configuration. > > Increasing the number of workers won't help this issue. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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Re: [ERROR] Error handling request List archivers
by Shashikanth Komandoor July 23, 2020

July 23, 2020

Thank you Mark for guiding me to the benefit of putting the list and so I have added the list. Along with the [archiver.hyperkitty], [mta] and [database], few lines of my mailman.cfg look like below: *[webservice]workers = 4timeout = 900* The above block of webservice is added yesterday for testing or trail as I am getting the above issue. And there is no line that is calling *gunicorn* in my mailman.cfg. Apart from that I tried to locate and see the content of the gunicorn.cfg file as below : *(venv3) [root@lsmgr mailman]# cat /var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/config/gunicorn.cfg[gunicorn]# All the options that can be put here are available at# http://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/settings.html#settings <http://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/settings.html#settings># No of seconds to wait before killing the worker processes.graceful_timeout = 30* Please confirm the time I have to change is *graceful_timeout *in *gunicorn.cfg* and if I have changed how do I restart the *gunicorn*. I have never used or never known about this *gunicorn* but still running the service in production. Please help me and also suggest if I could provide you any more data from giving resolution. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#m_5710631741815235215_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:47 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/22/20 9:13 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > > Never mind please I am sending to you only instead of group as I am > sending you the production content along with the mail. > > I don't see anything there that can't be posted to the > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list. If your concern is revealing the > support-tnvc.lsmgr.nic.in list id, just replace it with <list-id> or > list.example.com or similar. > > Messages sent to me personally rather than the list suffer many > problems. They are my absolute last priority, and I am only one person, > the collective knowledge of the list is greater. Also, at times I am off > line for several days or longer. > > Finally, there is no opportunity for other members of the community to > benefit from an off-list exchange. > > > When I am trying to browse one of my lists, I am getting "[ERROR] > > Error handling request /3.1/lists/support-tnvc.lsmgr.nic.in/archivers > > <http://support-tnvc.lsmgr.nic.in/archivers>" in the mailman.log and the > > full error message is in attachment. > > Try increasing your gunicorn worker timeout from the default 30 seconds. > I.e., add > > timeout = 90 > > to your gunicorn.cfg and restart gunicorn. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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migration plan and auto responder
by Mohsen Masoudfar July 23, 2020

July 23, 2020

Hi, I am writing this in the hope to get some good advises for migration lists from Mailman2 to Mailman3. Thanks a lot in advance. Here is the requirements: * During the migration the old system shouldn't process the emails for the list under migration in the normal way. It should send an email, and only one to the member who sent the original email to the list saying the list is under migration. I know I could do this by auto responder, but the original email would be processed and sent to all members, which I want to block . * After migration the old system should send, per auto responder again, an email to the member who sent to the list, mentioning the new address (the domain is a new one, the list name the same), but again not sending the original email to the list members. * No hackers, robots, spammers should get the new list address. The lists are all hidden. Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

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Python 3.5 support?
by Joel Lord July 22, 2020

July 22, 2020

I'm looking through the recent changes to Core and Postorius and I keep spotting what looks like removal of the test cases for Python 3.5. Is the next release going to be dropping support for 3.5? Is this because 3.5 is going EOL shortly or because there are changes in the upcoming release that actively will not work on 3.5? -- Joel Lord

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Docker Support Sucks
by Brian Carpenter July 22, 2020

July 22, 2020

Ok, now that I got that out of the way. Maybe I can get some help here for a Docker Installation of Mailman 3. I updated a Maxking's Docker installation to Postorius 1.3.3. It made my client's list unusable to a continual stream of removals due to ghost bounce processes. So, I want to totally move away from the use of Docker (mainly because I have found it buggy and the support is simply lacking) and install Mailman 3 for this client from source. However I need to get an export of their list members. But of course, I can't. Rest API times out and I don't know how to apply the instructions I was given to fix it and I don't have days to way for one. So please help. I increased the gunicorn workers to 4, hoping that would allow me to do the CSV export. No. So was given these instructions: ### The issues seems to be due to timeout not due to high load. You want to increase the timeout for gunicorn and you can do that by specifying a gunicorn.ini config file: [webservice] configuration: /path/to/gunicorn.cfg and then in the gunicorn.cfg you can add [gunicorn] timeout = 90 graceful_timeout = 30 ### I applied the above changes to /opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg and created the gunicorn.cfg file. Restarted the docker container (mailman-core) and no access to Postorius due to no REST api. After restarting docker-mailman, I can't access Postorius due to the following error: ERROR 2020-07-20 20:16:27,351 15 postorius Mailman REST API not available Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 160, in _new_conn (self._dns_host, self.port), self.timeout, **extra_kw File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/util/connection.py", line 84, in create_connection raise err File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/util/connection.py", line 74, in create_connection sock.connect(sa) ConnectionRefusedError: [Errno 111] Connection refused During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 677, in urlopen chunked=chunked, File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 392, in _make_request conn.request(method, url, **httplib_request_kw) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1254, in request self._send_request(method, url, body, headers, encode_chunked) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1300, in _send_request self.endheaders(body, encode_chunked=encode_chunked) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1249, in endheaders self._send_output(message_body, encode_chunked=encode_chunked) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1036, in _send_output self.send(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/http/client.py", line 974, in send self.connect() File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 187, in connect conn = self._new_conn() File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 172, in _new_conn self, "Failed to establish a new connection: %s" % e urllib3.exceptions.NewConnectionError: <urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7f96340a2e10>: Failed to establish a new con$ During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 449, in send timeout=timeout File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 725, in urlopen Commenting out "configuration: /opt/mailman/gunicorn.cfg" brings Postorius back up. I am really frustrated here. All I want to do is export a 3000 member list and I can't. Updating Mailman 3 using new Docker images shouldn't break a stable installation either. Please help. Brian

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Fwd: HOWTO: Mailman 3 Equivalent of "Accept: @all"
by Abhilash Raj July 21, 2020

July 21, 2020

Please use the mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list for questions related to Mailman 3 usage. Abhilash ----- Original message ----- From: "hmills(a)t-online.de" <hmills(a)t-online.de> To: "mailman-users-owner(a)mailman3.org" <mailman-users-owner(a)mailman3.org> Subject: HOWTO: Mailman 3 Equivalent of "Accept: @all" Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:31 AM Greetings, I have a question concerning usage of mailman3 (not an installation issue). Previously we used mailman2 & changed to mailman3 some months ago. "We" being a sports club located in Northern Germany. I guess I'm the "List Administrator" & "Moderator" - a colleague is the "Site Administrator". We use a number of maillists - one for "all" members and further ones e.g. for "instructors", "juniors" and so on. With mailman 2 it was possible to add "Accept: @all" in the configuration of the smaller maillists such as "instructors" thus enabling any club member to mail to the "instructors" but mails amongst the "instructors" remained just with themselves. Up to now we cannot do this with mailman3 which means I have to frequently approve mails (with the associated delay). I'm told (but not "how to do it") that with the recent update to mailman3 which our Site Administrator has installed it should be possible to do the "Accept: @all" mechanism - or similar. Could some kind soul please simply explain how I can achieve this? Best Wishes Howard -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Mail going to Held Messaging even the moderation is set to Accept Immediately
by Shashikanth Komandoor July 21, 2020

July 21, 2020

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 in production environment from the past 2 months almost. Recently I observed a peculiar case. There is a list say testlist(a)lists.testdom.com has a member say testuser(a)testdom.com whose Moderation attribute is set to "Accept immediately (bypass all other rules)". It is expected that the mail should be delivered to the recipients without being held irrespective of the body content as per my knowledge. (Correct me if I am wrong). But the mail went to "held messages" and is waiting for pending approval. The same user if he sends a normal and simple test mail, it is getting delivered automatically without coming to the "held message". And the same mail (which went to "held messages") is tried to be sent by another member whose moderation attribute is also set to "Accept immediately" only but observed the same effect as the message going to the "held messages". As per my understanding on Mailman 3, if the moderation attribute is set to "Accept immediately (bypass all other rules)" then without checking any rules, it should be delivered to the recipients of the list irrespective of the message or body of the message but is there any such checking if the body content or subject or any thing else is checked even if the moderation bit is set to "Accept immediately". Please help me to resolve this issue. Also, please let me know if I need to share any details. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Sudden increase in "***UNCHECKED***" in email subjects
by Dave Clements July 20, 2020

July 20, 2020

Hi all, I have just noticed a big jump in the number of emails going out with "***UNCHECKED***" added to the subject line. Some of these are from users who had their moderation set to "Accept Immediately," but even after I change that to "Default processing" I am still getting those messages. The default action for members is "Default processing" Any ideas what settings I am missing? Thanks, Dave C -- https://bcc2020.github.io/ https://galaxyproject.org/

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Confusing mailman user model
by Gilles Filippini July 19, 2020

July 19, 2020

Hi, I'm trying to understand the Mailman user model, and I'm confused about the respective roles of tables 'auth_user' and 'user'. Both have an 'id' column referred to as 'user_id' when used as a foreign key. But there seems to be no relation at all between them as they use different ids for the same user. Our mailman server was migrated from mailman2 to mailman3 about 1.5 year ago, and there is an inconsistency I'd like to fix: 2 of our users have a registered Mailman account with their respective email addresses in table 'auth_user', but these very same addresses in the 'address' table are linked to another old admin account in the 'user' table. Then if add one of these addresses as a domain owner, it it the old admin address which is selected instead. How could I fix that? Thanks in advance, _g.

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Creating new lists
by Gilles Filippini July 19, 2020

July 19, 2020

Hi, I'd like to delegate lists creation to a couple of other users. I've added their email addresses as domain owners, but still they don't have the "Create New List" button available. Which condition a mailman user has to fulfill to be allowed to create new lists? Thanks, _g.

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How to setup mailman?
by waqar.pixako＠gmail.com July 17, 2020

July 17, 2020

Hi @all I need to maintain mailing via api. I need to setup mailman for this purpose. I don't know how to setup it & how does it works. Please help me to resolve this issue. Thanks

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Also deleted website example.com
by w.schoener＠alp.dillingen.de July 17, 2020

July 17, 2020

Hi there, i also deleted the website example.com, while I tried to configure my mailman 3 site. Now I get a Server-error, when I try to open my mailman3 sites: "An error occurred while processing your request" I tried to fix this problem by changing the SITE_ID=2 in my settings_local.py. But nothing helped, also the SITE_ID=0 did change nothing. I made a "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" to ensure, that the settings are loaded again, but it didnt help. Is there anything I can do, besides reinstalling all django and mailman 3? Mailman Version 3.2.1, Python 2.7.16, Django 1.11.28 Thanks for any hints :-) Wolfgang

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The Use of Hyperkitty as a Forum and Archiver
by Brian Carpenter July 15, 2020

July 15, 2020

Dear Mailman 3 Users, Since Mailman 3 includes a forum feature via Hyperkitty, I would like to know the following: - Has the forum feature (Hyperkitty) of MM3 been received well by your list members or is it mostly ignored? - Do you see an increase in the use of HK as a forum from your list members? - What kind of feedback have you received from your list members considering the forum function of MM3? Positive or negative? - Do you think HK is received well by your list members as an archiver and do you think it provides a better user experience for viewing/searching archives vs Pipermail of MM2? Thank you for anything you shared. I am very curious to know the state of Hyperkitty among the Mailman 3 user community. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

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R: Re: mailman3 does not send to the members of the lists
by blackout69 July 13, 2020

July 13, 2020

Hi, my mailman.cfg [mailman] site_owner: admin(a)pratico.work noreply_address: noreply default_language: en sender_headers: from from_ reply-to sender email_commands_max_lines: 10 pending_request_life: 3d cache_life: 7d pre_hook: post_hook: layout: debian filtered_messages_are_preservable: no html_to_plain_text_command: /usr/bin/lynx -dump $filename listname_chars: [-_.0-9a-z] [shell] prompt: >>> banner: Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell use_ipython: no history_file: [paths.debian] var_dir: /var/lib/mailman3 queue_dir: $var_dir/queue bin_dir: /usr/lib/mailman3/bin list_data_dir: $var_dir/lists log_dir: /var/log/mailman3 lock_dir: $var_dir/locks data_dir: $var_dir/data cache_dir: $var_dir/cache etc_dir: /etc/mailman3 ext_dir: $var_dir/ext messages_dir: $var_dir/messages archive_dir: $var_dir/archives template_dir: $var_dir/templates pid_file: /run/mailman3/master.pid lock_file: $lock_dir/master.lck [database] class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase url: mysql+pymysql://mailman3:dbpassword@localhost/mailman3?charset=utf8&use_unicode=1 debug: no [logging.debian] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y propagate: no level: info path: mailman.log [webservice] hostname: localhost port: 8001 use_https: no show_tracebacks: yes api_version: 3.1 admin_user: rest_user admin_pass: rest_pass [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 smtp_user: smtp_pass: lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg

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Re: Using external services for deliverability?
by Tom ＠ Gather July 13, 2020

July 13, 2020

Thank you both for the help. I have SPF and reverse DNS setup. But I thought DKIM is no help because Mailman rewrites the email headers?

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mailman3 does not send to the members of the lists
by maszap＠tin.it July 12, 2020

July 12, 2020

Goodmorning everyone, I'm setting up a mail server to manage a mailinglist. I installed mailman3-full and configured everything. I can create a list, add members to the list, but when I create a new thread, I only get it on the email from the same domain as the list. While all the other members of the list, they do not receive the thread. I tried to check the logs, but I don't see anything significant. What can I check? Thank you in advance Max

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Mail control not given from Mailman 3 to postfix
by Shashikanth Komandoor July 12, 2020

July 12, 2020

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 in production environment from the past 2 months almost. Recently I observed a peculiar case. There is a list say testlist(a)lists.testdom.com has a non member say testuser(a)testdom.com whose Moderation attribute is set to "Accept immediately (bypass all other rules). This testuser(a)testdom.com has sent a mail to testlist(a)lists.testdom.com and postfix of my Maliman 3 received the request and handed over to Mailman at 0.0.0.0:8024 socket running on the same machine and the same is logged in /var/log/maillog. Since the user has the moderation attribute set to Accept, the /var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/logs/vette.log also displayed "ACCEPT" on searching with the same message id. At this point, to my expectations, there should be 2 entries for this message id in smtp.log one for smtp and one for post. But I don't find any log records with this message id in smtp.log and of course the mail is not delivered even. Could you please help me out if I have missed any point or improperly understood the mail flow while using the mailman 3? Please also let me know if I need to see any more log files for tracing the issue. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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ARC
by David Krantz July 11, 2020

July 11, 2020

Hi, A completely different question: Is there anyone that has a working non-naive setup for ARC signing of mail list mail in mailman? I've tried both the built-in version but it was not usable in the version I tried for the case where there are several domains with different selectors and keys and where the outgoing mail also is DKIM-signed. This might be that the documentation is lacking but a very shallow look in the source gave me the impression that the implementation is limited to one domain which is not enough for my use case as I have lists in several domains. I use DKIM on outgoing mail with a setup where each domain has its own keys and selectors. As discussed here earlier, the DKIM signature should be added before the ARC signature. I have tried to use rspamd after a tip here for this but without luck so far, but this is somewhat off topic for mailman although related of course. rspamd seems very good for other purposes and solves my other problems with greylisting, DKIM-signing and spam filtering. That said, ARC seems difficult to get to work for forwarded mails there also... cheers // David

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Update a member's display_name
by Nick Wynja July 8, 2020

July 8, 2020

Hi all, I want to update some list member's display_name either with mailman shell or mailmanclient. These mostly aren't users in Postorius so I only want to operate on the subscribed list member. I've tried everything I can find in the docs and am stuck. I've tried using `user_manager.get_user()` and then updating `user.display_name` followed by a `commit()` but it doesn't seem to persist the change. The `absorb_existing` flag for mailmanclient's `User.add_address()` looks promising but the docs read "It will import the existing user into the current one, not overwriting any previously set value." which in some cases, the member already has a display_name set. I haven't tried this yet. I'd appreciate any help pointing in the right direction. Thanks, Nick

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Bounce handling after upgrade
by David Krantz July 8, 2020

July 8, 2020

Hi, I am in the process of configuring a new mailman3 server based on my old one. This includes upgrading to the latest version of mailman and installing a database upgrade. To my surprise mailman core started by sending tens of mails and blocking the corresponding users for very old bounces. What is worse is that this happens every time I start mailman core. Now I have blocked (almost) all outgoing mail in postfix using a transport map which discards it but this is a temporary testing measure of course. When I deploy this server into production, I do not want these recipients to be blocked as the old problems have been solved since very long. My plan is to reload the database from a newer backup anyway... Would it be enough to empty the bounce table (bounceevent) or is there anything else driving this behaviour? Or is there a better way to do this via the mailman shell? For me a "delete from bounceevent" seems a lot simpler than anything via the shell but there may be dependencies in the database. Cheers // David

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Crash while importing archives
by Mark Dadgar July 8, 2020

July 8, 2020

This is actually an mbox file generated by mailman3. (venv) mailman@mail:/opt/mailman/mm$ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin hyperkitty_import --since 2020-02-19 -l trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net /temp/archive/trackjunkies-new-1.mbox Importing from mbox file /temp/archive/trackjunkies-new-1.mbox to trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net \Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(execute_from_command_line()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 381, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 375, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 323, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 364, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 327, in handle importer.from_mbox(mbfile) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 152, in from_mbox for msg in mbox: File "/usr/lib/python3.8/mailbox.py", line 109, in itervalues value = self[key] File "/usr/lib/python3.8/mailbox.py", line 73, in __getitem__ return self.get_message(key) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/mailbox.py", line 781, in get_message msg.set_from(from_line[5:].decode('ascii')) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 27: ordinal not in range(128) mailman 3.3.1 / core 3.1 Easy fix? I’m missing about 10 days' worth of archives as a result of this. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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Importing list archives
by Mark Dadgar July 7, 2020

July 7, 2020

So I got a shiny new instance of Mailman3 installed (thanks Brian!). I recreated my lists and I am now importing large historical list archives from an mbox file (24GB). It takes a couple of hours to run this import, so I killed the import task after about 20 minutes so I could restart it in a screen session. Now when I restart the import, it finishes almost immediately: (venv) mailman@mail:/opt/mailman/mm$ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin hyperkitty_import -l trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net trackjunkies.mbox Importing from mbox file trackjunkies.mbox to trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net Computing thread structure Synchronizing properties with Mailman Warming up cache The full-text search index is not updated for this list. It will not be updated by the 'minutely' incremental update job. To update the index for this list, run the Django admin command with arguments 'update_index_one_list trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.xn--net-to0a. (venv) mailman@mail:/opt/mailman/mm$ Which is clearly not correct. Anyone have an idea on how to restart this import? THanks! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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Error after HyperKitty 1.3.x upgrade
by Florian Schulze July 6, 2020

July 6, 2020

Hi! After upgrading to HyperKitty 1.3.x I get the following error for qcluster: File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 300, in pusher task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1]) File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 31, in loads serializer=PickleSerializer) File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 38, in loads return serializer().loads(data) File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 44, in loads return pickle.loads(data) AttributeError: Can't get attribute 'process_task_result' on <module 'hyperkitty.tasks' from '.../lib/python3.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py'> How do I recover from that? It seems like there are still persisted tasks in the qcluster queue using the old code from 1.2.x with the old locking implementation. Regards, Florian Schulze

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Using external services for deliverability?
by tom＠gather.coop July 4, 2020

July 4, 2020

I have a Mailman 3 server up and running but I'm terrified to migrate to it from my existing Mailman 2 provider for fear that services like Gmail will randomly start blacklisting my IP with little I can do about it. I have SPF records set up so I'm hoping I'll be Ok but I'd like to have a backup plan. Has anyone ever tried using an external service like Mailgun or Sendgrid as a relay? I tried both but couldn't get either to work due to their sender authentication mechanism. They want all 'From:' headers to be from domains that are pre-authenticated as senders. But Mailman keeps the 'From' header from the original sender so it won't match any authenticated domains. Right? Is there anything to be done here or do I just have to migrate and pray?

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Example Logrotate files for Mailman3
by Andrew Hodgson July 3, 2020

July 3, 2020

Hi, Does anyone have any usable Logrotate files for Mailman3 (especially for the web stuff)? Will look to create my own if no one comes forward but if anyone has anything they are willing to share it would be fab. Thanks. Andrew.

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hidden list is hidden even to the owner
by Mohsen Masoudfar July 2, 2020

July 2, 2020

Hi, I am not sure, if it is designed this way, or I am doing something wrong. I created a list in MM3 as a hidden list, meaning: Show list on index page: NO and assigned the owner. When I login as Postorius web admin, I see the list on the list page which is listed as: (unadvertised*). This is fine. But when the owner or moderator login to Postorius they don't see the list at all. Of course if they add the list name at the end of the URL, they get to the list and as the owner can manage it too. My question is: I am just not sure, if I am missing something or this is how it is supposed to work? You could expect, that the owner or the moderator should see the list as (unadvertised*) too. Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

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clarifying configuration
by trewtus+200629maitr＠gmail.com June 30, 2020

June 30, 2020

Hey Team, I'm new to Mailman and after some failed attempts to install from git on CentOS8, I have just installed it on Ubuntu 20.04 using mostly aptitude. But it's not quite working and I want to increase the log level to better understand the problem. I did see another post that suggested that I add to /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg [logging.template] level: debug But that doesn't work for me. For example, after using that `mailman conf` doesn't list and debug values and as far as I can tell, the service, even after restarting, is not logging any more than it was. On the other hand, if I add [logging.smtp] level: debug Invoking `mailman conf` will reflect that new loglevel. This started me down the path of trying to figure out the configuration system of mailman in hope that that will save me time down the road. I have read https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/config/docs/config.html but that doesn't seem to agree with what I'm seeing. For an additional example, my mailman.cfg file has a "logging.debian" section, but I don't see that section listed in the `mailman conf` output. Why would that be? I don't see in the documentation if `mailman conf` only sees values after the service is restarted. Nevertheless, restarting mailman hasn't helped. What guidance can you give? Context: `mailman info` produces: GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.8.2 (default, Apr 27 2020, 15:53:34) [GCC 9.3.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////var/lib/mailman3/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:KI5TuWE/v.....

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Moderation of posts via email is not working in mailman 3
by Shashikanth Komandoor June 30, 2020

June 30, 2020

Hi Team, In mailman 2, few of my users used to approve the held messages through the mail by writing Approved: header and the password of the list in the first line of the reply mail to the "confirm" attachment in the mail notification of the held messages. But after I started migrating my distribution lists from mailman 2 to mailman 3, my users are complaining that they could not approve the posts or the held messages through the mail as they usually do while they were browsing their lists in mailman 2. Is there any bug or limitation in mailman 3 or if I am doing any wrong at the server side? Please suggest. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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User settings triggers error
by Mark Dadgar June 29, 2020

June 29, 2020

If one of my users (including admin) goes to their user drop-down in the upper-right of Postorius and clicks Mailman Settings, it triggers an error: Here’s the error log: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ KeyError at /postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ 'file' Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mail.pdc-racing.net/mailman3/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ <https://mail.pdc-racing.net/mailman3/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/> Django Version: 2.2.12 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.8.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python38.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.8', '/usr/lib/python3.8/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:31:56 -0700 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py" in _wrapped_view 21. return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/user.py" in user_subscriptions 307. memberships = [m for m in mm_user.subscriptions] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/user.py" in subscriptions 62. for address in self.addresses: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py" in __iter__ 221. for entry in self.rest_data: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py" in rest_data 197. response, content = self._connection.call(self._url) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py" in call 99. raise HTTPError(url, response.status, content, response, None) During handling of the above exception (HTTP Error 500: b'A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator.'), another exception occurred: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/middleware.py" in __call__ 39. return self.get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 36. response = response_for_exception(request, exc) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in response_for_exception 91. log_response( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/log.py" in log_response 222. getattr(logger, level)( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py" in error 1463. self._log(ERROR, msg, args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py" in _log 1577. self.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py" in handle 1587. self.callHandlers(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py" in callHandlers 1649. hdlr.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py" in handle 950. self.emit(record) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/log.py" in emit 119. reporter = ExceptionReporter(request, is_email=True, *exc_info) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/debug.py" in __init__ 254. self.template_info = getattr(self.exc_value, 'template_debug', None) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/tempfile.py" in __getattr__ 607. file = self.__dict__['file'] Exception Type: KeyError at /postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ Exception Value: 'file' Request information: USER: admin GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data Anyone got a solution to this? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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Server 500 error for just one list, just one page
by kelly.close＠lrewater.com June 28, 2020

June 28, 2020

I am having a curious problem with just ONE list management page for ONE list on my server. Every other list I've checked, and every other management page for this affected list, seem fine. But when I go to the Subscribers page for this one list I get a Server 500 error, and I can't find anything in the apache or mailman logs to give me a clue (granted I'm not sure I know for sure where all the different logs are). So specifically this page: https://udfcd-lists.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/alarms-all.udfcd-lists.org… For a list called "alarms-all" obviously. Any ideas? I'm able to review the list, it's members, etc in the PostsgreSQL tables and I'm not seeing any members with funky characters in their address - the one thing I could think of to check. Thanks, ~Kelly

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Null sender?
by tom＠gather.coop June 28, 2020

June 28, 2020

Does Mailman generally send email with a null sender? This is what I see in the log: Jun 28 02:37:45 2020 (14588) ('127.0.0.1', 52726) handling connection Jun 28 02:37:45 2020 (14588) ('127.0.0.1', 52726) Data: b'LHLO mail.example.coop' Jun 28 02:37:45 2020 (14588) ('127.0.0.1', 52726) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<>' Jun 28 02:37:45 2020 (14588) ('127.0.0.1', 52726) sender: <> Jun 28 02:37:45 2020 (14588) ('127.0.0.1', 52726) Data: b'RCPT TO:<techque-bounces(a)example.org>' Jun 28 02:37:45 2020 (14588) ('127.0.0.1', 52726) recip: techque-bounces(a)example.org Jun 28 02:37:45 2020 (14588) ('127.0.0.1', 52726) Data: b'DATA' Jun 28 02:37:45 2020 (14588) ('127.0.0.1', 52726) Data: b'QUIT' Notice the empty MAIL FROM. Sendgrid seems to be choking on that because it needs to check if sending domain has been validated. If there is no sending domain it seems to reject. Why does Mailman do this? Can it be changed? I've been trying to find the relevant section of the code to no avail.

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Hyperkitty 403 Forbidden Error
by Phil Thompson June 25, 2020

June 25, 2020

I'm in the process of setting up mailman3. The only problem I seem to be having is getting Hyperkitty to archive messages. Rather than the authorisation problems people have previously asked about on the list, I am getting a 403 error... Aug 05 15:38:40 2019 (10229) HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: <html><title>Forbidden</title><body> <h1>Access is forbidden</h1></body></html> (403) Aug 05 15:38:58 2019 (10222) HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: <html><title>Forbidden</title><body> <h1>Access is forbidden</h1></body></html> (403) Any suggestions would be appreciated. Phil

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HyperKitty failure
by Gelpi Andrea June 24, 2020

June 24, 2020

Hi, in mailman log I found: Jun 20 17:36:49 2020 (1269) HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: <html><title>Forbidden</title><body> <h1>Access is forbidden</h1></body></html> (403) Jun 20 17:36:49 2020 (1263) HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: (405) Jun 20 17:36:49 2020 (1263) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: Jun 20 17:36:49 2020 (1263) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 210, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError And checking archive list I notice nothing has been added. Is it a permission issue (where?) or something else? Thanks in advance. -- Gelpi ing. Andrea -------------------------------------------------------------- It took the computing power of three C-64s to fly to the Moon. It takes a 486 to run Windows 95. Something is wrong here. --------------------------------------------------------------

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List archives Recent Posts problem
by Mark Dadgar June 23, 2020

June 23, 2020

In the last day or so, hitting the Recent page in my list archives results in a spinner and an error message: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:mailman3/hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/recent-threads AttributeError at /hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/recent-threads 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'subject' Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mail.pdc-racing.net/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racin… <https://mail.pdc-racing.net/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racin…> Django Version: 2.2.12 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.8.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python38.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.8', '/usr/lib/python3.8/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 08:58:02 -0700 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 829. current = current[bit] During handling of the above exception ('Thread' object is not subscriptable), another exception occurred: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in inner 135. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in overview_recent_threads 194. return render(request, "hyperkitty/fragments/overview_threads.html", { File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/shortcuts.py" in render 36. content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/loader.py" in render_to_string 62. return template.render(context, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/backends/django.py" in render 61. return self.template.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 171. return self._render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py" in render 309. return nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py" in render 209. nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 987. output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in resolve 671. obj = self.var.resolve(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in resolve 796. value = self._resolve_lookup(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 837. current = getattr(current, bit) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/thread.py" in subject 108. return self.cached_values["subject"]() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py" in __call__ 59. return self.get_or_set(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py" in get_or_set 55. value = self.rebuild(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py" in rebuild 47. value = self.get_value(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/thread.py" in get_value 223. return self.instance.starting_email.subject Exception Type: AttributeError at /hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/recent-threads Exception Value: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'subject' Request information: USER: admin Thoughts? Other than that I really need to migrate off the Ubuntu packages and into the latest docker image. 😁 - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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Relaying email from external SMTP server (office365 or Exchange)
by Waqas Ahmed Khan June 23, 2020

June 23, 2020

Hi, I have installed mailman3 with postfix. The server is working fine. To protect the IPs from blacklisting, I want to relay all emails from postfix/mailman to external SMTP servers like O365, Gmail, or our exchange server. Could you please confirm is this possible. And how to do its configuration. Regards, *Waqas Ahmed Khan* p: +923212608044 Skype: waqas-ahmed00 <waqas.ahmed0(a)gmail.com> waqas.ahmed0(a)gmail.com [image: LinkedIn] <http://pk.linkedin.com/pub/waqas-ahmed-khan/15/96a/39a/> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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