[Mailman-Users] Web interface for users (not admins)?
Hi Skip!
First, a bit of admin. Mailman 2 is still in active use, so we've split out a separate list for Mailman 3: mailman-users@mailman3.org. Subscribe at https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ You can use several common social media to authenticate yourself. You'll have to do the usual one-time key dance to verify your email address (sorry!) You will get good feedback from the users there (better than the OP list).
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Skip Montanaro writes:
So, I got to thinking... Are there any free web user (not admin) interfaces which integrate with MM3?
Yes. The HyperKitty archiver, which is part of the Mailman 3 suite[1], provides an interface for submitting posts as well as reading them, and has a few social media features (liking posts).
Something which when combined with MM3 could conceivably be an alternative to Google Groups, (the now defunct) Yahoo! Groups, or Groups.o?
That's for your users to say. ;-) If you visit https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/ you can try it for yourself. To post, you'll need to sign up (you can do that with a Google account, and I think both GitHub and GitLab are accepted as well.
I poked around the archives a bit and browsed list.org for a few minutes, but turned up nothing. Or rather, all I found related to web interfaces was the admin interface.
HyperKitty issues mostly have to do with importing archives. The webservice being effectively synchronous and centralized doesn't have a lot of problems as compared to email, and many feature suggestions go directly to the tracker for HyperKitty. I'm not surprised you don't find much about HyperKitty as Web UI in the list archives.
I am now signed up for the MM3 list. I'm trying out this posting interface. I like the basic interface, but others will want to attach images, tweak fonts, that sort of thing. Having the "email" button above makes that a reasonable (to me) alternative, but might not work for some tech-challenged people (odd, I know) who barely know how to get a picture out of their phone. Is there an "enhanced" editor?
(I promise, I won't get carried away with this. Just a quick test of the web posting interface.)
Skip
On 5/7/21 6:21 AM, skip.montanaro@gmail.com wrote:
I am now signed up for the MM3 list. I'm trying out this posting interface. I like the basic interface, but others will want to attach images, tweak fonts, that sort of thing. Having the "email" button above makes that a reasonable (to me) alternative, but might not work for some tech-challenged people (odd, I know) who barely know how to get a picture out of their phone. Is there an "enhanced" editor?
No, Posting from HyperKitty without using the "Use email software" button is plain text only. There is no plan to add any sort of rich text capability. Further, the HTML and image parts of archived messages containing them are just available in HyperKitty as links and not nicely rendered. See for example the signature links at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message/... and https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message/...
-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark Sapiro writes:
No, Posting from HyperKitty without using the "Use email software" button is plain text only.
That surprised me. There is the possibility of enabling Markdown in the viewer, but that's not a real solution for atechnical users who are used to mousing around, and by itself doesn't enable attachments.
There is no plan to add any sort of rich text capability.
That doesn't surprise me. A number of things are possible, but I think that providing the mailto link give the atechnical user the best of both worlds: a quick text-based response or the comfort (? :-þ) of their usual mail client. One constraint that we have is that many of our users value "no Javascript" quite highly, so just dropping in the Electron-based editor du jour is something we don't want to do.
By the way, Skip, if you decide that richtext followups are an important feature, earlier I mentioned EMWD's commercial offerings Affinity (for admin) and Empathy (for archiving). I don't know if Empathy offers more features for posting than HyperKitty does, but I encourage you to check with Brian Carpenter brian@emwd.com. These are commercial, closed-source (at least for now) offerings, but I believe rates are reasonable and support has a very good reputation.
Regards, Steve
I don't know if Empathy offers more features for posting than HyperKitty does, but I encourage you to check with Brian Carpenter brian@emwd.com.
Thanks, Steve. I reached out to Brian.
Skip
I'm new here and mostly lurking to simply try to understand more about MM3. At the risk of dragging down the very technical discussions I've read so far, here's a question for you.
We manage a MM3 list (list admin level only). I'd like to be able to offer subscribers the ability to take an RSS feed from our list and maybe feed a website page too. Our vendor uses Empathy (which I suspect some here are aware of). I understand that the HyperKitty interface is the "standard" web interface offering associated with MM3. Now I'm not a developer and I know little about how this all goes together so please bear with me.
I was pleasantly surprised to see that I could add this list to my Feedly reader. This gives me hope that an RSS feed is possible with our installation too. However, I was not successful adding an RSS feed for our list though. There could be a very simple answer for why it doesn't work (like the wrong URL, ...) but I suppose it may be more complicated too. I've made an inquiry to our vendor but I'm not sure an answer is forthcoming soon because of very unfortunate circumstances.
I wondered though if RSS capability is a function provided by the web interface (HyperKitty) or perhaps it's more at the MM3 level or maybe another app that provides that function?
Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Steve
On May 7, 2021, at 11:01 AM, smorytko@gmail.com wrote:
I'm new here and mostly lurking to simply try to understand more about MM3. At the risk of dragging down the very technical discussions I've read so far, here's a question for you.
We manage a MM3 list (list admin level only). I'd like to be able to offer subscribers the ability to take an RSS feed from our list and maybe feed a website page too. Our vendor uses Empathy (which I suspect some here are aware of). I understand that the HyperKitty interface is the "standard" web interface offering associated with MM3. Now I'm not a developer and I know little about how this all goes together so please bear with me.
I was pleasantly surprised to see that I could add this list to my Feedly reader. This gives me hope that an RSS feed is possible with our installation too. However, I was not successful adding an RSS feed for our list though. There could be a very simple answer for why it doesn't work (like the wrong URL, ...) but I suppose it may be more complicated too. I've made an inquiry to our vendor but I'm not sure an answer is forthcoming soon because of very unfortunate circumstances.
I wondered though if RSS capability is a function provided by the web interface (HyperKitty) or perhaps it's more at the MM3 level or maybe another app that provides that function?
Hyperkitty recently gained the ability of have RSS feeds for MailingLists, that feature hasn’t been released yet (1.3.5, release date is TBD!). It works on this list because we run the bleeding edge version from our source.
This is a functionality provided by Hyperkitty and not Mailman 3 Core. Core doesn’t store emails and is simply relaying them or sending it to archivers which store them.
-- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)
Well, as a newbie to RSS, Hyperkitty, and this list, I guess it's incredible luck that I've stumbled on this new feature. :) Timing is everything. I suspect it will prove to be useful too.
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