- Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

Hyperkitty Authorization Required
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com 06 Jun '19

06 Jun '19

Nearly there configuring my first Mailman 3 installation with Postorius and Hyperkiity. This issue eludes me: When trying to start a new thread in the archive, we have: HyperKitty failure on https://list.jackrail.org/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) I can access this URL just fine" https://list.jackrail.org/hyperkitty/api/ Where do we look to solve this issue?

4 3

Hope for Mailman 3.X in cPanel
by Cold Kayak 06 Jun '19

06 Jun '19

Hi, it appears that cPanel is interested in supporting MailMan 3.X! See - https://features.cpanel.net/topic/upgrade-to-mailman-3-0#comment-54870 <https://features.cpanel.net/topic/upgrade-to-mailman-3-0#comment-54870> "We’re hoping to work with the Mailman folks at some point in the future to accomplish this goal." Hopefully this happens sooner than later. regards, Edmond

2 1

Changing default message limit (max_message_size)
by roger＠reasonal.com 30 May '19

30 May '19

Right, me again. I'm so close to having what I need up and running ... but a showstopper is the max message size that triggers a moderate in it. 40kB these days is just way small ... unless you're a 1% using text-only email. So found this on list archive: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… $ bin/mailman shell -l list(a)example.com // Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell // The variable 'm' is the list(a)example.com // mailing list m.max_message_size = nn // commit() Unfortunately this does not work in the containerised mailman. So I get the container ID and run: docker exec 3373d426996d /usr/local/bin/mailman shell -i test-list(a)iotcouncil.org.za (in the post by Mark it says "-l" but I get "unrecognized argument" -- I assume it should be -i for "interactive"? Either way, it fires up the mailman shell and then throws me straight out back to the command line: Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell The variable 'm' is the test-list(a)iotcouncil.org.za mailing list >>> [root@listman ~]# So that doesn't help...

3 7

Bug - if you change primary email address, you're "semi-subscribed"
by roger＠reasonal.com 30 May '19

30 May '19

Subscribed to the list, sending mails worked. Changed primary email (my company email system adds branding crap that exceeded the 40k limit). Then mails to list simply vanished. Sent mail via UI, suddenly get a "welcome to list" and held message says "The message comes from a moderated member".

3 4

Re: Bug - if you change primary email address, you're "semi-subscribed"
by Roger Hislop 30 May '19

30 May '19

Testing if emails are being delivered to the list …

1 0

How to separate bans for sending emails to lists and subscribing to them
by Nathan Dixon 29 May '19

29 May '19

Hi, Our requirements for using Mailman are that we can have non-members send an email to a list from any domain name, but only people who's email addresses match a list of specific domains should be able to actually subscribe to those lists. I can't seem to find any way of doing this. Any ideas? I have tried using the bans (global and on each list) but these appear to stop all subscriptions and emails being sent to or from a list if the address matches a ban. Having moderated list subscriptions seems to be the only workaround, but this wouldn't be great if we could automate it (we are currently using Listserv which does allow us to do this) Thank you, -- *Nathan Dixon* MEng Senior Software Architect

2 1

update_index_one_list in parallel?
by Szymon Sokół 29 May '19

29 May '19

Hello, I am new to this list. Last week I upgraded my old Mailman 2.1 site (running since 2011) to Mailman 3.2.1; wasn't quite straightforward, and part of the blame goes to people who made the choice of using sqlite as default database backend for mailman3-full Debian package, but finally I have it running with PostgreSQL, which I should've been using from the beginning. Now, however, I have noticed that indexing my archives in hyperkitty (using "manage.py update_index_one_list" for each list in sequence) takes quite a lot of time while using only one CPU (out of 4). Hence my question - is it safe to run several such processes in parallel, and if so, will it have any benefits? I have no idea how locking on the database is done in this code, maybe I'll end up running the jobs in sequence anyway due to exclusive locks… Any informed answers will be appreciated.

3 2

What to backup?
by Alain Kohli 28 May '19

28 May '19

Hi What exactly are we supposed to include in our mailman backups? Obviously the database, but are there any other files that should be included to make sure we can properly restore? Regards, Alain

2 8

Hyperkitty CPU usage
by Alain Kohli 24 May '19

24 May '19

Hi I have hyperkitty running and noticed that the process 'python manage.py runjobs minutely' is running for over 70h now and is constantly using 100% of a CPU core. That can hardly be intended, but I don't know why it's doing that. As far as I could see, this job mainly updates the search index. Running 'python manage.py rebuild_index' only takes about an hour, though, so I don't see why this would take so much longer. The text search is not working in the first place, so that might be connected as well. I'm currently running the v1.2.2. Regards, Alain

3 9

Changing Mailman's "from" domain - redux
by roger＠reasonal.com 23 May '19

23 May '19

(this is a posting directly into this web ui as mails to this list just vanish without a trace) -- Anyone? Anyone? With reference to the original mail here https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… It seems that the "From" domain field is set by Postorius, but I can't find anything in its documentation on how to change it. I've done obvious things like change the boxes hostname to what I want, have fiddled around in the various Postfix settings for mydomain, etc etc. But all admin messages, listserver replies etc come from the partial domain "blah.blah", not "listman.blah.blah". Any ideas welcome.

2 1

Changing Mailman's "from" domain
by Roger Hislop (IS) 23 May '19

23 May '19

Hi guys -- I'm a little baffled here... I'd got my Mailman instance running, then went on leave, and then tried to use it. No dice. If I subscribed an address, no confirmation email would come through. Checked the Postfix log and see this: Roger Hislop (IS) Executive Head - IOT T +27 11 5751600 M+27 78 4595952 May 16 14:34:50 ip-172-31-23-250 postfix/smtp[5025]: 15B87A35FB: to=<iotic-za(a)reasondigital.co.za>, relay=email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com[52.51.155.83]:587, delay=0.22, delays=0.01/0.02/0.1/0.1, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com[52.51.155.83] said: 554 Message rejected: Email address is not verified. The following identities failed the check in region EU-WEST-1: test-list-request(a)iotcouncil.org.za, test-list-bounces(a)iotcouncil.org.za (in reply to end of DATA command)) I've verified the domain listman.iotcouncil.org.za, so it would seem the obvious solution is to change the domain the mails come from. It appeared that I just change the postfix config to specify domain list so: # INTERNET HOST AND DOMAIN NAMES # # The myhostname parameter specifies the internet hostname of this # mail system. The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name # from gethostname(). $myhostname is used as a default value for many # other configuration parameters. # myhostname = listman.iotcouncil.org.za <<< HERE #myhostname = virtual.domain.tld # The mydomain parameter specifies the local internet domain name. # The default is to use $myhostname minus the first component. # $mydomain is used as a default value for many other configuration # parameters. # mydomain = listman.iotcouncil.org.za <<< and HERE # SENDING MAIL # # The myorigin parameter specifies the domain that locally-posted # mail appears to come from. The default is to append $myhostname, # which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple # machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up # a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to # user(a)that.users.mailhost. # # For the sake of consistency between sender and recipient addresses, # myorigin also specifies the default domain name that is appended # to recipient addresses that have no @domain part. # myorigin = listman.iotcouncil.org.za <<< and HERE #myorigin = $mydomain But when I look in the log: May 16 15:13:05 ip-172-31-23-250 postfix/qmgr[5700]: D58F9A35FB: from=<test-list-bounces(a)iotcouncil.org.za>, size=1224, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 16 15:13:05 ip-172-31-23-250 postfix/smtpd[5710]: disconnect from ip-172-19-199-2.eu-west-1.compute.internal[172.19.199.2] May 16 15:13:06 ip-172-31-23-250 postfix/smtp[5713]: D58F9A35FB: to=<iotic-za(a)reasondigital.co.za>, relay=email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com[52.51.155.83]:587, delay=0.25, delays=0.01/0.03/0.1/0.12, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com[52.51.155.83] said: 554 Message rejected: Email address is not verified. The following identities failed the check in region EU-WEST-1: test-list-request(a)iotcouncil.org.za, test-list-bounces(a)iotcouncil.org.za (in reply to end of DATA command)) But the "from" is not changing. I see that messages TO the mailman server are also not being delivered ("-- 5.1.1 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable"). So there's another problem. Should I just verify iotcouncil.org.za and add DKIM to its MX record? Seems like a fail...

2 1

Upgrade
by David Krantz 23 May '19

23 May '19

Hi all, I am running a relatively old version of mailman 3, namely 3.2.0a1 from late september 2017. This is installed using the old mailman-bundler method. I use postfix and postgres. I really have two questions: First: What is the normal way to upgrade such a setup? I guess that I just can get the updated versions of all packages through git, set up new venv's to simplify a rollback, back up the database and then just restarting with the new version hoping for the best. Second: Another way would be to set up a new virtual server and reinstall everything and then just switching IPs on the servers. Then: what is the preferred way to install mailman3 today, docker only? I will also have to move all config and data to the new server, this should be mainly about restoring a database backup and copying relevant config, is there anything I miss here? cheers // David

2 1

How to remove global ban using API?
by Nathan Dixon 22 May '19

22 May '19

I am using a global ban to stop anyone not in a list of valid domains from being able to subscribe to any of our lists. This ban needs to be maintained using the Mailman3 api as it is being fed from another source. I can create the ban fine by the following: from mailmanclient import Client client = Client(URI,apiuser,apipass) client.bans.add("^(?!.*[(a)\.](validdomain1\.com|validdomain2\.org|validdomain3\.co\.uk)") However, I cannot seem to be able to remove it using the api: >>> client.bans[0].delete() Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> File "/home/wanout/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 137, in delete self._connection.call(self._url, method='DELETE') File "/home/wanout/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 99, in call raise HTTPError(url, response.status, content, response, None) urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: b'' Or >>> client.bans.remove(str(client.bans[0])) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> File "/home/wanout/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/ban.py", line 83, in remove ban.delete() File "/home/wanout/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 137, in delete self._connection.call(self._url, method='DELETE') File "/home/wanout/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 99, in call raise HTTPError(url, response.status, content, response, None) urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: b'' Or >>> client.bans.remove("^(?!.*[(a)\.](validdomain1\.com|validdomain2\.org|validdomain3\.co\.uk))") Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> File "/home/wanout/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/ban.py", line 83, in remove ban.delete() File "/home/wanout/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 137, in delete self._connection.call(self._url, method='DELETE') File "/home/wanout/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 99, in call raise HTTPError(url, response.status, content, response, None) urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: b'' And also, when I now try and go into the mailman-core docker image to use the mailman.interfaces.bans, it will not let me see the global bans: >>> from mailman.interfaces.bans import IBanManager >>> global_bans = IBanManager(None) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> TypeError: ('Could not adapt', None, <InterfaceClass mailman.interfaces.bans.IBanManager>) I have opened an issue in Gitlab for this as I feel it may be a bug related to regex and global bans (there was a similar one for list banned addresses): https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/598 Many thanks for your time, -- *Nathan Dixon* MEng Senior Software Architect m: +44 (0)7402 690311 t: +44 (0)20 81231252 e: nathan.dixon(a)evadon.com w: www.evadon.com This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal, professional or other privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you should not store it, copy it, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents, but should return it to the sender immediately and delete your copy from your system. The views expressed are those of the sender and not necessarily those of Evadon. Please note that whilst we scan all e-mails for viruses we cannot guarantee that any e-mail is virus-free. Please be advised that we expressly reserve the right to monitor email content for the purposes of ensuring compliance with legal requirements and company policies and your sending to, or receiving from, us of any email constitutes your agreement to these terms. Evadon Dynamics Limited, registered in England No. 09494097. Registered Office: Electric Works, Sheffield Digital Campus, 3 Concourse Way, Sheffield, S1 2BJ

2 2

Uncaught runner exception with out runner process
by Alan So 18 May '19

18 May '19

The out runner process shutdown with the following error. Any clue? May 16 17:32:12 2019 (31602) Uncaught runner exception: (pymysql.err.InternalError) (1053, 'Server shutdown in progress') [SQL: 'SELECT anon_1.member_id AS anon_1_member_id, anon_1.member__member_id AS anon_1_member__member_id, anon_1.member_role AS anon_1_member_role, anon_1.member_list_id AS anon_1_member_list_id, anon_1.member_moderation_action AS anon_1_member_moderation_action, anon_1.member_address_id AS anon_1_member_address_id, anon_1.member_preferences_id AS anon_1_member_preferences_id, anon_1.member_user_id AS anon_1_member_user_id \nFROM (SELECT member.id AS member_id, member._member_id AS member__member_id, member.`role` AS member_role, member.list_id AS member_list_id, member.moderation_action AS member_moderation_action, member.address_id AS member_address_id, member.preferences_id AS member_preferences_id, member.user_id AS member_user_id \nFROM member, address \nWHERE member.list_id = %(list_id_1)s AND member.`role` = %(role_1)s AND address.email = %(email_1)s AND member.address_id = address.id UNION SELECT member.id AS member_id, member._member_id AS member__member_id, member.`role` AS member_role, member.list_id AS member_list_id, member.moderation_action AS member_moderation_action, member.address_id AS member_address_id, member.preferences_id AS member_preferences_id, member.user_id AS member_user_id \nFROM member, address, user \nWHERE member.list_id = %(list_id_2)s AND member.`role` = %(role_2)s AND address.email = %(email_2)s AND member.user_id = user.id AND user._preferred_address_id = address.id) AS anon_1'] [parameters: {'list_id_1': 'listname.list.company.domain', 'role_1': 1, 'email_1': 'usera(a)company.domain', 'list_id_2': 'listname.list.company.domain', 'role_2': 1, 'email_2': 'usera(a)company.domain'}] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/2j85) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose

2 1

installation choices for mm3
by John Griessen 17 May '19

17 May '19

I've been reading https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience and see that a virtual is recommended, which is not something I have done yet, and wonder if just putting the mm3 on a different server is easier? I have a server, mail1.cibolo.us that has postfix, postgresql, dovecot, mm2, nsd on it. Another server has just web pages and nsd doing backup DNS for mail1.cibolo.us DNS server. I could do a straight debian install of mailman3-full on the 2nd server and keep it simple, let debian setup a blank database installation, right? Has anyone seen a good write up on how to do that on a debian server step by step?

2 2

Any known limit of number of lists that one can be owner/member of?
by Alan So 15 May '19

15 May '19

We have just migrated hundreds of lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3. It was smooth in most of the cases. However, we just notice that there are some abnormal behaviour of Postorius for particular users who are owner/member of a large number of lists. We further look into a particular user who is owner of 84 lists. When the user login Postorius, only 50 lists are displayed no matter what the number of "Results per page" is chosen. Prev/Next page cannot be clicked as there is only 1 page. When I use the following mailman client snippet, it also displays the same 50 lists: lists = client.find_lists('xxx(a)yyy.com', 'owner') for m_list in lists: print(m_list.fqdn_listname) Did we hit any limit of find_lists? Is it a bug or are something wrong during the migration? When the user use "Mailman settings", the page can still display all lists though (it's slow as it probably did a lot of SQL queries!).

2 7

Re: Archive Policy not reflecting in Hyperkitty
by Abhilash Raj 14 May '19

14 May '19

Are you using images with "rolling" tags? If yes, you should try to switch to "0.2" tag and the new release will be tagged with the same one. To update, you can do: $ docker pull ... $ docker pull .. $ docker-compose stop $ docker-compose rm $ docker-compose up -d This should basically get you up and running with the new image you pulled. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

2 2

Archive Policy not reflecting in Hyperkitty
by Nathan Dixon 07 May '19

07 May '19

So the issue I am seeing is that when I set a lists archive policy to prviate, it isn't reflecting that in Hyperkitty. I am running the docker installation of Mailman, postorius and hyperkitty. So I go into the docker instance of mailman-core and run this: python3 manage.py shell from hyperkitty.models.mailinglist import MailingList MailingList.objects.all().values_list('name', 'archive_policy') And all my lists are showing '2', regardless of how I set the mailing list archive policy. This might be a duplicate of https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Am I missing something in my install? Or is this a bug? Many thanks for your attention, -- *Nathan Dixon* MEng Senior Software Architect m: +44 (0)7402 690311 t: +44 (0)20 81231252 e: nathan.dixon(a)evadon.com w: www.evadon.com This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal, professional or other privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you should not store it, copy it, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents, but should return it to the sender immediately and delete your copy from your system. The views expressed are those of the sender and not necessarily those of Evadon. Please note that whilst we scan all e-mails for viruses we cannot guarantee that any e-mail is virus-free. Please be advised that we expressly reserve the right to monitor email content for the purposes of ensuring compliance with legal requirements and company policies and your sending to, or receiving from, us of any email constitutes your agreement to these terms. Evadon Dynamics Limited, registered in England No. 09494097. Registered Office: Electric Works, Sheffield Digital Campus, 3 Concourse Way, Sheffield, S1 2BJ

3 5

Moderate mails from owner
by Henrik Rasmussen 07 May '19

07 May '19

I assume this is by design, but is it correct that a list owner, who are not member, will always be allowed to post to the list, even though "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" and "Default action to take when a non-member posts to thelist" are both set to "Hold for moderation"? The owner is set as also moderator, by the way, which seems redundant. I have a list administrator who would like to be moderated when sending to the list, but there is no Member Options on Owners (nor Moderators). A workaround may be to create a new account for the owner and let the current owner be member instead of owner, as she will then be moderated. /Henrik Rasmussen

4 16

Creating and placing custom templates
by kelly.close＠lrewater.com 02 May '19

02 May '19

I know there are previous threads related to this topic but none were very recent so I thought I'd start a new one. I've referenced two of the old ones below. I am attempting to implement a custom footer on one of my lists. This seems like it should be straightforward but I'm clearly doing something wrong, since the default footer keeps coming through despite my efforts. I've referenced the docs as well as these two posts, to no avail. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Here's what I'm doing: I found my templates folder and verified it matched what is set in the mailman.cfg file - on my Ubuntu Bionic system it is /var/lib/mailman3/templates/ In that folder I created the following folders and made sure they were properly owned (by list:list) /var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/f2p2-test.udfcd-lists.org/en/ Into that en/ folder I placed a file called "list:member:regular:footer" It is a text file with just one line of text in it (a link to a website). Also, because there was a mention in one of the earlier posts that this file should have a .txt extension, I also put the same file in there named "list:member:regular:footer.txt". I have two of my own emails subscribed t my "f2p2-test" list at the domain udfcd-lists.org. When I post to the list, and check my other email for the disseminated post, it still has the default footer. I have restarted the mailman3 service. Can anyone spot an obvious error here or offer troubleshooting suggestions? Thank You! ~Kelly

2 1

We're in Season of Docs!
by Stephen J. Turnbull 01 May '19

01 May '19

So, we're in Season of Docs! Currently, Abhilash and I are registered as mentor/admins. I don't think we need more admins, but more mentors is always a good thing. Hey, users! You don't need to be a programmer to mentor docs, of course, and it may be a *good* thing to *not* be a programmer and even *not* a Mailman developer. :-) Suggestions as to doc projects we *really oughtta do!* are very welcome. (I can't believe we got in with the thin doc proposal I put together literally at the last minute, but here we are. ;-) Feel free to get in touch with us on mailman-developers (reply-to set; please respect) if you're interested in mentoring. Or if you prefer you can contact me or Abhilash directly. We can presumably add mentors up to July 23 (deadline for technical writer selection by orgs). For more information: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/SeasonOfDocs2019 https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/ https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/participants/ https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/timeline Regards, Steve -- Associate Professor Division of Policy and Planning Science http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/ Faculty of Systems and Information Email: turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tel: 029-853-5175 Tennodai 1-1-1, Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN

1 0

GDPR - save subscriptions confirmation emails
by contact＠maadix.net 01 May '19

01 May '19

Hi, I am new in the list. I have been looking for this topic in the archives in order to avoid duplicate, but I could not find any thread. According to the new GDPR rules, lists owners need to have a confirmation from subscribers, and this is easy to do with Mailman 3. What I can't figure out is how to save all the confirmation emails received from users. I only see the confirmations commands emails in the logs, Is there another place/way to store them? For GDPR compliance it is important to be able to demonstrate that you received the confirmation, in case you may need it in the future. Bests Maddish -- *MaadiX* Tu nube en tus manos https://maadix.net https://twitter.com/MaadiXnet

3 4

HTML email sent to lists migrated from Mailman 2.1
by Nate Coraor 16 Apr '19

16 Apr '19

Hello all, I have some lists migrated from 2.1 that are stripping the HTML parts (perhaps all attachments?) from messages despite the options to do so not being enabled and lynx not even being installed. I'm trying to get a new list to behave the same way so I can figure out what's going on without spamming a production list, but have been unsuccessful: despite setting nearly all the list options the same as the old lists, new lists pass HTML portions and attachments just fine. I've verified the settings using mailing list objects directly with `mailman withlist` on the command line and the only differences are things that I can't imagine would be related like admin_notify_mchanges, advertised, and archive_policy. Are there are really old options that can't be accessed via mailing list objects obtained with `withlist` on the command line? Thanks, --nate

3 3

Mailman in EC2 / Docker -- working but HTTPS not serving static content
by roger.hislop＠is.co.za 15 Apr '19

15 Apr '19

Hi again ... I got everything working thanks to Danil, Abhilash, and finally found a simple NGINX conf that worked, using WSGI. Cool. Set up certificates using LetsEncrypt, used another conf to set up SSL, like the conf pasted below. I edited nginx.conf so that it only takes server config from the nginx/conf.d/blahblah.conf below. This works for HTTP, HTTPS works but it (apparently) is not serving static content. There are loads of how-tos to get this to work, but I've failed in all -- it seems to be the static path (I've not tried option using thttpd I've not tried as there is no easy install onto AQWS AMI and it seems like it's not specifically necessary. I'm so close... so close... ------------------------------- server { listen 80 default_server; # listen [::]:80 default_server ipv6only=on; root /usr/share/nginx/html; index index.html index.htm; server_name listman.iotcouncil.org.za; return 301 https://$server_name$request_uri; #<< AUTO_REDIRECT HTTP TO HTTPS # location / { # proxy_pass http://172.19.199.3:8000/; # proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for; # proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Host $host; # proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Server $host; # proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Proto $scheme; # proxy_redirect off; # } # # location /static/ { # alias /var/spool/mailman-web/static/; # } # # location /robots.txt { # alias /var/spool/mailman-web/static/hyperkitty/robots.txt; # } # # location /favicon.ico { # alias /var/www/listorg/images/favicon.ico; # } # } server { listen 443 default_server; # listen [::]:443 default_server ipv6only=on; #root /usr/share/nginx/html; #index index.html index.htm; server_name listman.iotcouncil.org.za; ssl on; ssl_certificate /etc/letsencrypt/live/listman.iotcouncil.org.za/fullchain.pem; ssl_certificate_key /etc/letsencrypt/live/listman.iotcouncil.org.za/privkey.pem; ssl_session_timeout 5m; ssl_protocols SSLv3 TLSv1 TLSv1.1 TLSv1.2; ssl_ciphers "HIGH:!aNULL:!MD5 or HIGH:!aNULL:!MD5:!3DES"; ssl_prefer_server_ciphers on; location / { proxy_pass http://172.19.199.3:8000/; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Server $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Proto $scheme; proxy_redirect off; } location /static/ { alias /opt/mailman/web/static; } location /robots.txt { alias /var/spool/mailman-web/static/hyperkitty/robots.txt; } location /favicon.ico { alias /var/www/listorg/images/favicon.ico; } }

4 3

Mailman Core 3.2.2 is now out
by Abhilash Raj 14 Apr '19

14 Apr '19

Hello Everyone, Mailman Core 3.2.2 is released and available on PyPI[1]. This is a regular bugfix release and I had to do that to fix a version constraint which pulled in a pre-release of a dependency (falcon) when installed via pip and caused the default install to break. There are few other changes included in this release, including a big refactor of error reporting in Core's REST API. All the error responses are now correctly formatted as JSON with more information about the error. For example, invalid inputs for Enum data types return the valid options. Other error message are now generated from the input validtor and will be more informative. REST API also accepts input as JSON formatted body, alongside the x-www-form-urlencoded. A full list of changes are available here: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html#id1 This release supports Python 3.5-3.7. Thanks very much to all the contributors involved in this release. [1]: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

2 3

List options question
by Phil Stracchino 13 Apr '19

13 Apr '19

So, I've just sucscribed to this list, and when I go to set subscription options, I find: Receive list copies (possible duplicates) Yes No When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select No to receive copies. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list. This seems rather ... backwards. "Receive copies? Answer no for yes, yes for no." Is that how the option actually works in mailman3, or is the text of the option decription garbled? -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications phils(a)caerllewys.net phil(a)co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958

2 1

Mailman3 in dockers on EC2 - running out of memory and puking ev.ry.where.
by roger.hislop＠is.co.za 11 Apr '19

11 Apr '19

Hi all -- really need some help. I'm tech literate, but definitely not a sysadmin or dev. I'm following the tutorial at "Olay's Farmland" at https://www.olay.xyz/2018/01/01/deploy-mailman-3-on-aws-using-docker/ which seems to be a clone of the same content here https://xiaoxing.us/2018/01/01/deploy-mailman-3-on-aws-using-docker/ Easy enough to get most of the way ... set up EC2 instance, configure SES and add DNS settings with DKIM etc. Set up Postfix, test it. All working groovy. I run through the how to all the way through setting up the containers and firing it up. This is where things start to get funky. Once the docker-compose is run, I run "curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/" to test. First time it said it couldn't connect to database. So I nuked and restarted from scratch. Second time it said the same thing... was reading around the place and tried again, and then reran that curl and it worked -- gave me html from a page. But the VM started running slowly --taking forever to follow keypresses. Eventually became unresponsive. So I rebooted the machine via AWS console, and docker ps showed only the postgres db running. docker-compose ps shows Name Command State Ports ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ docker-mailman_database_1 docker-entrypoint.sh postgres Up 5432/tcp mailman-core docker-entrypoint.sh maste ... Exit 255 8001/tcp, 8024/tcp mailman-web docker-entrypoint.sh uwsgi ... Exit 255 8000/tcp, 8080/tcp So rebuilt the container -- same thing. It looks and feels like its running out of memory. I used the compose file from https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Yexiaoxing/833bfcc5d3e4e0c06a8b7f0bac7c4… (with appropriate edits). I have no idea how to proceed from here... Go to logs... Partial log (they're LONG) docker logs docker-mailman_database_1 The files belonging to this database system will be owned by user "postgres". This user must also own the server process. The database cluster will be initialized with locale "en_US.utf8". The default database encoding has accordingly been set to "UTF8". The default text search configuration will be set to "english". Data page checksums are disabled. fixing permissions on existing directory /var/lib/postgresql/data ... ok creating subdirectories ... ok selecting default max_connections ... 100 selecting default shared_buffers ... 128MB selecting dynamic shared memory implementation ... posix creating configuration files ... ok running bootstrap script ... ok sh: locale: not found performing post-bootstrap initialization ... No usable system locales were found. Use the option "--debug" to see details. ok syncing data to disk ... ok WARNING: enabling "trust" authentication for local connections You can change this by editing pg_hba.conf or using the option -A, or --auth-local and --auth-host, the next time you run initdb. Success. You can now start the database server using: pg_ctl -D /var/lib/postgresql/data -l logfile start waiting for server to start....LOG: database system was shut down at 2019-04-09 14:37:48 UTC LOG: MultiXact member wraparound protections are now enabled LOG: database system is ready to accept connections LOG: autovacuum launcher started done server started CREATE DATABASE /usr/local/bin/docker-entrypoint.sh: ignoring /docker-entrypoint-initdb.d/* LOG: received fast shutdown request LOG: aborting any active transactions LOG: autovacuum launcher shutting down LOG: shutting down waiting for server to shut down....LOG: database system is shut down done server stopped PostgreSQL init process complete; ready for start up. LOG: database system was shut down at 2019-04-09 14:37:50 UTC LOG: MultiXact member wraparound protections are now enabled LOG: database system is ready to accept connections LOG: autovacuum launcher started ERROR: relation "social_auth_usersocialauth" does not exist at character 15 STATEMENT: SELECT 1 from social_auth_usersocialauth LOG: database system was interrupted; last known up at 2019-04-09 14:48:37 UTC LOG: database system was not properly shut down; automatic recovery in progress LOG: invalid record length at 0/1767BB8: wanted 24, got 0 LOG: redo is not required LOG: MultiXact member wraparound protections are now enabled LOG: database system is ready to accept connections LOG: autovacuum launcher started LOG: received smart shutdown request LOG: autovacuum launcher shutting down LOG: shutting down LOG: database system is shut down LOG: database system was shut down at 2019-04-09 15:18:06 UTC LOG: MultiXact member wraparound protections are now enabled LOG: database system is ready to accept connections LOG: autovacuum launcher started ERROR: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "auth_user_username_key" DETAIL: Key (username)=(lists) already exists. STATEMENT: INSERT INTO "auth_user" ("password", "last_login", "is_superuser", "username", "first_name", "last_name", "email", "is_staff", "is_active", "date_joined") VALUES ('!lS8pgTTV7CyhUbZItku00ZnUGxLQkVEuc3ENZKbV', NULL, true, 'lists', '', '', 'iotic-za(a)reasondigital.co.za', true, true, '2019-04-09T15:39:57.715036+00:00'::timestamptz) RETURNING "auth_user"."id" TopMemoryContext: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 3480 free (0 chunks); 4712 used smgr relation table: 24576 total in 2 blocks; 13008 free (4 chunks); 11568 used WAL record construction: 49768 total in 2 blocks; 6584 free (0 chunks); 43184 used Checkpointer: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 7992 free (3 chunks); 200 used PrivateRefCount: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 2840 free (0 chunks); 5352 used MdSmgr: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 8120 free (0 chunks); 72 used Pending ops context: 0 total in 0 blocks; 0 free (0 chunks); 0 used Pending Ops Table: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 2840 free (5 chunks); 5352 used LOCALLOCK hash: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 776 free (0 chunks); 7416 used Timezones: 104120 total in 2 blocks; 2840 free (0 chunks); 101280 used ErrorContext: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 8152 free (0 chunks); 40 used Grand total: 235808 bytes in 13 blocks; 56632 free (12 chunks); 179176 used ERROR: out of memory DETAIL: Failed on request of size 4032. CONTEXT: writing block 0 of relation base/16384/16797 TopMemoryContext: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 3480 free (0 chunks); 4712 used smgr relation table: 24576 total in 2 blocks; 13008 free (4 chunks); 11568 used WAL record construction: 49768 total in 2 blocks; 6584 free (0 chunks); 43184 used Checkpointer: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 7992 free (2 chunks); 200 used PrivateRefCount: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 2840 free (0 chunks); 5352 used LOG: could not fork autovacuum worker process: Out of memory MdSmgr: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 8120 free (0 chunks); 72 used Pending ops context: 0 total in 0 blocks; 0 free (0 chunks); 0 used Pending Ops Table: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 2840 free (5 chunks); 5352 used LOCALLOCK hash: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 776 free (0 chunks); 7416 used LOG: could not fork autovacuum worker process: Out of memory Timezones: 104120 total in 2 blocks; 2840 free (0 chunks); 101280 used ErrorContext: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 8152 free (0 chunks); 40 used Grand total: 235808 bytes in 13 blocks; 56632 free (11 chunks); 179176 used LOG: could not fork autovacuum worker process: Out of memory ERROR: out of memory DETAIL: Failed on request of size 4032. CONTEXT: writing block 0 of relation base/16384/16797 LOG: could not fork autovacuum worker process: Out of memory WARNING: could not write block 0 of base/16384/16797 DETAIL: Multiple failures --- write error might be permanent. TopMemoryContext: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 3480 free (0 chunks); 4712 used smgr relation table: 24576 total in 2 blocks; 13008 free (4 chunks); 11568 used WAL record construction: 49768 total in 2 blocks; 6584 free (0 chunks); 43184 used Checkpointer: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 7992 free (2 chunks); 200 used PrivateRefCount: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 2840 free (0 chunks); 5352 used MdSmgr: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 8120 free (0 chunks); 72 used Pending ops context: 0 total in 0 blocks; 0 free (0 chunks); 0 used Pending Ops Table: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 2840 free (5 chunks); 5352 used LOCALLOCK hash: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 776 free (0 chunks); 7416 used TopMemoryContext: 51040 total in 4 blocks; 1344 free (1 chunks); 49696 used TopTransactionContext: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 6968 free (0 chunks); 1224 used Timezones: 104120 total in 2 blocks; 2840 free (0 chunks); 101280 used Statistics snapshot: 0 total in 0 blocks; 0 free (0 chunks); 0 used ErrorContext: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 8152 free (0 chunks); 40 used Grand total: 235808 bytes in 13 blocks; 56632 free (11 chunks); 179176 used Per-database function: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 776 free (0 chunks); 7416 used Per-database table: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 776 free (0 chunks); 7416 used Per-database function: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 776 free (0 chunks); 7416 used Per-database table: 8192 total in 1 blocks; 776 free (0 chunks); 7416 used Databases hash: 24576 total in 2 blocks; 15072 free (5 chunks); 9504 used ERROR: out of memory For UWSGI cat uwsgi.log [pid: 49|app: 0|req: 1/1] 172.19.199.1 () {24 vars in 291 bytes} [Tue Apr 9 14:43:43 2019] GET /postorius/lists/ => generated 3710 bytes in 705 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 5 headers in 163 bytes (1 switches on core 0) [pid: 39|app: 0|req: 1/1] 172.19.199.1 () {24 vars in 291 bytes} [Tue Apr 9 15:40:12 2019] GET /postorius/lists/ => generated 3710 bytes in 694 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 5 headers in 163 bytes (1 switches on core 0) [ec2-user@ip-172-31-23-250 logs]$ cat uwsgi-error.log cat: uwsgi-error.log: Permission denied [ec2-user@ip-172-31-23-250 logs]$ sudo cat uwsgi-error.log *** Starting uWSGI 2.0.15 (64bit) on [Tue Apr 9 14:38:03 2019] *** compiled with version: 6.3.0 on 29 December 2017 00:16:31 os: Linux-4.14.77-70.59.amzn1.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Nov 12 22:02:45 UTC 2018 nodename: mailman-web machine: x86_64 clock source: unix detected number of CPU cores: 1 current working directory: /opt/mailman-web detected binary path: /usr/local/bin/uwsgi !!! no internal routing support, rebuild with pcre support !!! setgid() to 101 setuid() to 100 chdir() to /opt/mailman-web your processes number limit is 3860 your memory page size is 4096 bytes detected max file descriptor number: 1024 lock engine: pthread robust mutexes thunder lock: disabled (you can enable it with --thunder-lock) uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8080 fd 8 uwsgi socket 1 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8000 fd 9 Python version: 2.7.14 (default, Dec 19 2017, 17:52:21) [GCC 6.3.0] Python main interpreter initialized at 0x55ca1d90e1e0 python threads support enabled your server socket listen backlog is limited to 100 connections your mercy for graceful operations on workers is 60 seconds [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs quarter_hourly" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs hourly" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs daily" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs monthly" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs weekly" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs yearly" registered as cron task mapped 166144 bytes (162 KB) for 2 cores *** Operational MODE: threaded *** WSGI app 0 (mountpoint='') ready in 1 seconds on interpreter 0x55ca1d90e1e0 pid: 1 (default app) *** uWSGI is running in multiple interpreter mode *** spawned uWSGI master process (pid: 1) spawned uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 49, cores: 2) Tue Apr 9 14:38:04 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 51) [uwsgi-daemons] spawning "./manage.py qcluster" (uid: 100 gid: 101) 14:38:07 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-52 starting. 14:38:07 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster at 67 14:38:07 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 68 14:38:07 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 pushing tasks at 70 14:38:07 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-52 running. 14:38:07 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 monitoring at 69 [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 51 exited after 4 second(s) Tue Apr 9 14:39:04 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 71) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 71 exited after 269 second(s) Tue Apr 9 14:43:33 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 79) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 79 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 14:51:35 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 89) *** Starting uWSGI 2.0.15 (64bit) on [Tue Apr 9 15:39:58 2019] *** compiled with version: 6.3.0 on 29 December 2017 00:16:31 os: Linux-4.14.109-80.92.amzn1.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Apr 1 23:07:39 UTC 2019 nodename: mailman-web machine: x86_64 clock source: unix detected number of CPU cores: 1 current working directory: /opt/mailman-web detected binary path: /usr/local/bin/uwsgi !!! no internal routing support, rebuild with pcre support !!! setgid() to 101 setuid() to 100 chdir() to /opt/mailman-web your processes number limit is 3860 your memory page size is 4096 bytes detected max file descriptor number: 1024 lock engine: pthread robust mutexes thunder lock: disabled (you can enable it with --thunder-lock) uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8080 fd 8 uwsgi socket 1 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8000 fd 9 Python version: 2.7.14 (default, Dec 19 2017, 17:52:21) [GCC 6.3.0] Python main interpreter initialized at 0x562e2c0b11e0 python threads support enabled your server socket listen backlog is limited to 100 connections your mercy for graceful operations on workers is 60 seconds [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs quarter_hourly" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs hourly" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs daily" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs monthly" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs weekly" registered as cron task [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs yearly" registered as cron task mapped 166144 bytes (162 KB) for 2 cores *** Operational MODE: threaded *** WSGI app 0 (mountpoint='') ready in 1 seconds on interpreter 0x562e2c0b11e0 pid: 1 (default app) *** uWSGI is running in multiple interpreter mode *** spawned uWSGI master process (pid: 1) spawned uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 39, cores: 2) Tue Apr 9 15:39:59 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 41) [uwsgi-daemons] spawning "./manage.py qcluster" (uid: 100 gid: 101) 15:40:02 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-43 starting. 15:40:02 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 58 15:40:02 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 monitoring at 59 15:40:02 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster at 57 15:40:02 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 pushing tasks at 60 15:40:02 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-43 running. [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 41 exited after 4 second(s) Tue Apr 9 15:40:59 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 63) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 63 exited after 13 second(s) Tue Apr 9 15:41:59 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 71) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 71 exited after 33 second(s) Tue Apr 9 15:42:59 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 79) 16:33:36 [Q] ERROR could not translate host name "database" to address: Try again 16:35:17 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 stopped pushing tasks 16:35:25 [Q] ERROR reincarnated pusher Process-1:3 after sudden death 16:35:25 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 pushing tasks at 87 [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 79 exited after 3146 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:35:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 88) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 88 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:36:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 96) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 96 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:37:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 104) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 104 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:38:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 112) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 112 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:39:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 120) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 120 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:40:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 128) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 128 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:41:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 136) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 136 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:42:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 144) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 144 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:43:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 152) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 152 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:44:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 160) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 160 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:45:00 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs quarter_hourly" (pid 168) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs quarter_hourly" running with pid 168 exited after 2 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:45:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 176) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 176 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:46:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 184) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 184 exited after 2 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:47:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 192) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 192 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:48:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 200) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 200 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:49:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 208) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 208 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:50:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 216) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 216 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:51:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 224) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 224 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:52:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 232) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 232 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:53:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 240) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 240 exited after 2 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:54:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 248) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 248 exited after 2 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:55:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 256) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 256 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:56:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 264) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 264 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:57:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 272) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 272 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:58:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 280) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 280 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 16:59:25 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs minutely" (pid 288) [uwsgi-cron] command "./manage.py runjobs minutely" running with pid 288 exited after 3 second(s) Tue Apr 9 17:00:00 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs quarter_hourly" (pid 296) Tue Apr 9 17:00:00 2019 - [uwsgi-cron] running "./manage.py runjobs hourly" (pid 297) Traceback (most recent call last): File "./manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 363, in execute_from_command_line Traceback (most recent call last): File "./manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) utility.execute() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 363, in execute_from_command_line File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 337, in execute utility.execute() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 337, in execute django.setup() django.setup() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 27, in setup File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 27, in setup apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/apps/registry.py", line 108, in populate File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/apps/registry.py", line 108, in populate app_config.import_models() app_config.import_models() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/apps/config.py", line 202, in import_models File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/apps/config.py", line 202, in import_models self.models_module = import_module(models_module_name) self.models_module = import_module(models_module_name) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module __import__(name) __import__(name) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/__init__.py", line 28, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/__init__.py", line 28, in <module> from .email import Email, Attachment from .email import Email, Attachment File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/email.py", line 37, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/email.py", line 37, in <module> from hyperkitty.lib.analysis import compute_thread_order_and_depth from hyperkitty.lib.analysis import compute_thread_order_and_depth File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/analysis.py", line 28, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/analysis.py", line 28, in <module> import networkx as nx import networkx as nx File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/__init__.py", line 114, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/__init__.py", line 114, in <module> import networkx.generators import networkx.generators File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/generators/__init__.py", line 6, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/generators/__init__.py", line 6, in <module> from networkx.generators.classic import * from networkx.generators.classic import * File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/generators/classic.py", line 26, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/generators/classic.py", line 26, in <module> from networkx.algorithms.bipartite.generators import complete_bipartite_graph from networkx.algorithms.bipartite.generators import complete_bipartite_graph File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/algorithms/__init__.py", line 57, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/algorithms/__init__.py", line 57, in <module> import networkx.algorithms.connectivity import networkx.algorithms.connectivity File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/algorithms/connectivity/__init__.py", line 3, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/algorithms/connectivity/__init__.py", line 3, in <module> from .connectivity import * from .connectivity import * File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/algorithms/connectivity/connectivity.py", line 13, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/algorithms/connectivity/connectivity.py", line 13, in <module> from networkx.algorithms.flow import boykov_kolmogorov from networkx.algorithms.flow import boykov_kolmogorov File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/algorithms/flow/__init__.py", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/networkx/algorithms/flow/__init__.py", line 1, in <module> from .maxflow import * from .maxflow import * MemoryErrorMemoryError 18:16:37 [Q] ERROR could not translate host name "database" to address: Try again ...etc ... For Mailman cat mailmanweb.log ERROR 2019-04-09 20:05:48,878 934 hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index: could not translate host name "database" to address: Try again Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 186, in run_with_lock fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 87, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 240, in update_backend total = qs.count() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 363, in count return self.query.get_count(using=self.db) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/query.py", line 498, in get_count number = obj.get_aggregation(using, ['__count'])['__count'] File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/query.py", line 479, in get_aggregation result = compiler.execute_sql(SINGLE) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 874, in execute_sql cursor = self.connection.cursor() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 254, in cursor return self._cursor() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 229, in _cursor self.ensure_connection() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 213, in ensure_connection self.connect() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 94, in __exit__ six.reraise(dj_exc_type, dj_exc_value, traceback) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 213, in ensure_connection self.connect() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 189, in connect self.connection = self.get_new_connection(conn_params) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/postgresql/base.py", line 176, in get_new_connection connection = Database.connect(**conn_params) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 130, in connect conn = _connect(dsn, connection_factory=connection_factory, **kwasync) OperationalError: could not translate host name "database" to address: Try again ERROR 2019-04-09 20:15:08,192 983 hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index: could not translate host name "database" to address: Try again Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 186, in run_with_lock fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 87, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 240, in update_backend total = qs.count() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 363, in count return self.query.get_count(using=self.db) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/query.py", line 498, in get_count number = obj.get_aggregation(using, ['__count'])['__count'] File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/query.py", line 479, in get_aggregation result = compiler.execute_sql(SINGLE) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 874, in execute_sql cursor = self.connection.cursor() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 254, in cursor return self._cursor() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 229, in _cursor self.ensure_connection() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 213, in ensure_connection self.connect() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 94, in __exit__ six.reraise(dj_exc_type, dj_exc_value, traceback) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 213, in ensure_connection self.connect() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 189, in connect self.connection = self.get_new_connection(conn_params) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/db/backends/postgresql/base.py", line 176, in get_new_connection connection = Database.connect(**conn_params) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 130, in connect conn = _connect(dsn, connection_factory=connection_factory, **kwasync) OperationalError: could not translate host name "database" to address: Try again

3 3

Simplified installation instructions
by Frank Yappa 08 Apr '19

08 Apr '19

I've looked at installing Mailman3 many times but have never succeeded - there simply too many instructions. Is there a simple guide to get just web front end to Mailman3 where you can import an existing mailing list simply for viewing? Which is the easiest system to install Mailman3 on? I have a Debian system and would be grateful for any pointers showing how to install it . I came across:- https://iomarmochtar.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/mailman3-easy-installation/ but this is for Centos and I don't know what to change. Elsewhere I came across a list of apps which needed to be installed on Debian but that didn't work because of missing packages. apt-get install python3-setuptools python3-virtualenv python3-dev git gcc node-less nodejs postfix python3-tox

2 1

easy way to delete old mails in hyperkitty?
by l.schimmer＠cgv.tugraz.at 08 Apr '19

08 Apr '19

Hi! is thjere a easy way to delete old mails in hyperkitty? e.g. with a list and checkmarks, or via a cli command? We got several mailinglists and we did import them from mailman2.x into mailman 3.2. Now it is time to remove old posts before 2016. But I do not see a easy way to remove old posts in one go, just the "remove thread" button in each mail view. thank you, Lars

2 1

Archiver "prototype" and disabling archiving at all
by Torge Riedel 07 Apr '19

07 Apr '19

Hi list, in the settings of a mailing list I can choose two archivers: "Hyperkitty" and "prototype". What is this archive "prototype" and how can I disable/remove/deinstall it? And how can I disable archiving at all, so no archiver can be chosen in the settings. Best regards Torge

3 4

UI changes in Hyperkitty
by Abhilash Raj 02 Apr '19

02 Apr '19

Hi All, I have been working this past weekend trying to change some UI elements of Hyperkitty to make it a bit more cleaner, easier to read quoted emails and make unread posts more visible than they were before. As a test bed, I have deployed my changes to lists.mailman3.org[1]. A complete summary of changes is available in my MR[2] on Gitlab. I would appreciate some feedback from users to make sure that is is a step in the right direction. Since it has been a long long time since I ever designed a UI, I would also really appreciate if there people who want to work with me on fixing some of the UX issues in Hyperkitty. Summary of Changes: --------------------------------- - The grey background for the email headers are removed. - Gravatars are now round in shape instead of square. - Links to permalink of the message and fixed-font button has been moved to the bottom to remove clutter from the top of the message. - The date format is changed to remove the Day of the week and uses 3 letter month names for minimalism. - Right sidebar is now fixed and doesn't scroll with the page. - All buttons on the bottom of the email now have a hover property that changes their background on mouse hover. - Quoted part of the email now has a different background. Each level of quoting gets a different background till 3-levels of indentation. After, which we don't process more quoted text. - Unread threads show a blue bar on the left side as a more prominent indication as compared to current envelope icon. [1]: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/ [2]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/merge_requests/132 Feel free to reply here or just comment on MR in Gitlab. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

3 2

mail stuck in "out" queue
by Dmitry Makovey 30 Mar '19

30 Mar '19

I've had encountered this situation now twice: mail is being stuck in "out" queue and nothing in the logs indicates the issue. Is there a way to ask mailman-core politely to attempt delivery (perhaps with increased debugging in the logs) *without* restarting the core (which does solve *this* problem but creates other problems, like availability of the mailman as a whole) -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

2 1

Delete archive of mailing list
by Torge Riedel 28 Mar '19

28 Mar '19

Hi list, I've successfully set up mailman3 in a test environment and deleted a test list which I only used for some basic tests. Looking at the archiver, the archive is still there and I haven't found a way to delete it. Although I am logged in as admin. Is there a (non-) official way to delete the archive? I want a clean environment for the later user to test mailman3. Thanks and regards Torge

2 2

Introducing Mailman Web project
by Abhilash Raj 26 Mar '19

26 Mar '19

I have been working on a new sub-project Mailman Web[1][2]. This project basically combines Postorius and Hyperkitty together in a single package which you can easily use to serve Mailman's web interface. The basic motivation behind this was to make it simpler for people to install the web interface *and* make it easier for people to configure Mailman's web ui. Both Postorius and Hyperkitty are based on Django Web Framework, which uses settings.py as its default configuration language. While it is quite convenient for Python developers to be able to put Python statements in configuration to join/edit/configure settings. However, I think a traditional INI, or TOML style configuration is easier for non-developers without having to worry about PYTHONPATH, valid Python sytax etc, etc. For this reason, I decided to combine all the projects together into a Django project which can be easily installed and run: $ pip install mailman-web # Export Settings for commands to just work. $ export DJANGO_SETTINGS=mailman_web.settings $ django-admin migrate $ django-admin runserver This should get you default settings for running. If you want to customize your installation, which you almost always would need to in a prod environment, you can create a config file at one of these locations (which are searched in following order): - /etc/mailman-web.toml - /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.toml - ./mailman-web.toml Note that we support only TOML as the configuration language[3][4] because of its simplicity. I would have loved to use INI, like Mailman Core, but it turns out to be way too simple to represent more complex data structures like maps and tables, that is commonly used in Django's Settings. This project is currently in alpha stage (I created it today!), but can be installed with pip[5] and in my basic tests works. There isn't much in the project itself beyond some configurations. I also took this opportunity to document all the settings that are used in Mailman Web (both Postorius and Hyperkitty) together[6]. This is documented in code and so I really hope that it won't go out of date like many other places ;-) Improvements to docs is very welcome, just a modification of a comment and is quite easy to propose right in your web browser using Gitlab! Any questions, comments or suggestions are welcome. You can open issues for feature requests on gitlab[1] too. [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web [2]: https://mailman-web.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ [3]: https://github.com/maxking/django-settings-toml [4]: https://github.com/toml-lang/toml [5]: https://pypi.org/project/mailman-web/ [6]: https://mailman-web.readthedocs.io/en/latest/settings.html -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

2 6

Configuring the List-Archive and Archived-At headers
by Ralph Seichter 25 Mar '19

25 Mar '19

With archiving enabled, mail is sent with headers like the following: Archived-At: <https://example.com/hyperkitty/list/foo-users@lists.example.com/message/ABC/> List-Archive: <https://example.com/hyperkitty/list/foo-users@lists.example.com/> List-Post: <mailto:foo-users@lists.example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:foo-users-join@lists.example.com> The 'mailto:' entries are fine, but I need all 'https:' links to be prefixed with https://lists.example.com instead of https://example.com . Does Mailman extract CN parts from the SSL certificate to populate the header values (that would explain 'example.com' in my tests), or is this something I can influence using configuration parameters? I searched the docs for Mailman Suite and HyperKitty, but did not find an answer. -Ralph

5 9

Non resolved placeholders in action message
by Torge Riedel 23 Mar '19

23 Mar '19

Hi, after adding a new moderator to a list I get the following message in a green box: %(email)s has been added with the role %(role)s Looks like the placeholders are not resolved (correctly). Should I report this somewhere as a bug? Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.6.7 (default, Oct 22 2018, 11:32:17) [GCC 8.2.0] Best regards Torge

2 1

State of STARTTLS/SMTPS support?
by Ralph Seichter 21 Mar '19

21 Mar '19

Hello list. I just found https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/252 and was surprised to see that a) the issue is two years old and b) a related merge request has been submitted a year ago and is also still open. The possibility to send mail unencrypted via localhost is something I have in a test environment, but not in production. I need to be able to specify settings that look like these: [mta] smtp_host: outbound-mta.mydomain.tld smtp_port: 587 smtp_security: STARTTLS When is STARTTLS/SMTPS likely to become available in Mailman? -Ralph

2 2

How to best disable message decoration for all lists defined for a domain
by Ralph Seichter 19 Mar '19

19 Mar '19

Hello list. I have read [1] and [2], but I am not quite sure what the recommended method is to completely disable message headers/footers and subject modifications for *all* lists tied to a specific domain. Being new to Mailman 3, I was actually surprised that there are no configuration switches in the Web UI's settings for mailing lists that allow me to get rid of unwanted message decorations. [1] https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/docs/decorate… [2] https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/build/lib/mailman/rest/docs/templa… Thanks for your input. -Ralph

3 4

REST Runner (and other runners) taking long time to boot up
by Dmitry Makovey 18 Mar '19

18 Mar '19

splitting this discussion into it's own thread from "MM3 occasionally chokes (?)". Re-iterating background info for posterity: we have been experiencing increasingly long boot ups from mailman-core over the past year to the point where it's at about 45min for the sequence to complete. We run couple of mailing lists (20+) that are anywhere between 100 and 10K+ members and most of them are low traffic. From what I can tell all that time is spent doing some sort of indexing operations, I'm writing from memory since I can't restart the system to confirm that. sizes of directories that containers use: 3.6G core 352M database 285M web state of my queues (as far as I understand how to evaluate them: $ for q in core/var/queue/*; do echo ${q}; ls ${q}/ | wc -l ; done core/var/queue/archive 1 core/var/queue/bad 3845 core/var/queue/bounces 0 core/var/queue/command 0 core/var/queue/digest 0 core/var/queue/in 0 core/var/queue/nntp 0 core/var/queue/out 7 core/var/queue/pipeline 0 core/var/queue/retry 1 core/var/queue/shunt 958 core/var/queue/virgin 0 what kind of tuning should we be looking into to speed up our boot-ups? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

2 1

Maximum number of recipients error
by brian＠emwd.com 18 Mar '19

18 Mar '19

I am unable to modify the "Maximum number of recipients" setting. It generates the following error when I click the "save changes" button: "An error occured: Unknown attribute: max_num_recipients" I am using the docker version of MM3 and its happening on "Postorius Version 1.2.3". Is this a known bug? Brian

3 2

MM3 occasionally chokes (?)
by Dmitry Makovey 18 Mar '19

18 Mar '19

In the last couple of month we've observed some odd behavior from MM3 (namely the core) where it seems like email that is about to be sent to a large-ish mailing list (10K users) has been processed yet never gets sent out until we restart the core. I would appreciate any pointers on where to look for the source of the problem. At the moment, since I can't reliably reproduce it I can't really test it nor do I know where to look next time things get stuck. Mailing list in question is high profile thus when event like this happens I have only limited time amount to spend on troubleshooting/digging before I just restart the core (which by the way takes about 45min to fully start... which is another puzzle to solve at later time) -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

2 5

REST API Question: possible to change user preferred email?
by Nathan Dixon 18 Mar '19

18 Mar '19

Hi, We are in need of being able to change a user's email address via the REST API. After looking through the documentation and code, I can't see a way to do this in a simple way. Although the documentation seems to show that if a user changes their preferred address, it will track throughout all their subscriptions. See: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/blob/master/src/mailman/rest/docs/member… "When Gwen changes her preferred address, her subscription automatically tracks the new address." The only way I can see to do this via the REST API would be to do the following long winded way: *1. Create a new address:* POST to http://<api_url>/3.1/users/<$OldEmail>/addresses $postData: {email = "$NewEmail"} *2. Verify the new address:* POST to http://<api_url>/3.1/addresses/<$NewEmail>/verify $postData: { } *3. Get all the memberships for the old email address* $memberships = GET to http://<api_url>/3.1/addresses/<$OldEmail>/memberships *4. Change users email for each membership individually* foreach ($membership in $memberships) { PATCH to http://<api_url>/3.1/members/<$membership.member_id> $pathData: { address = $NewEmail } } *5. Delete Old Address* DELETE to http://<api_url>/3.1/addresses/<$OldEmail> Am I missing something (as in there is a way to do a single PATCH request somewhere)? Or is this the only way to update someone's email address with these 5 steps? Thanks, Nathan Dixon

2 1

[Mailman-Users] mailman 3 and freeipa
by Stephen J. Turnbull 18 Mar '19

18 Mar '19

Crossposting and redirecting replies to mailman-users(a)mailman3.org. Steven Jones writes: > I cant find anything on this so far but can Mailman3's webui use > freeipa as the authentication mechanism? Hi Steve, I don't have a complete answer offhand (and right now I'm just reducing my inbox so a single google search is as much as I can do), but searching for "freeipa django" indicates that there are "connectors" for Django and FreeIPA. The nicest option would be a plugin for Django's socialauth application. If that doesn't seem to exist, perhaps you can just add a FreeIPA application to the Django configuration. You would need to add it to both Postorius and HyperKitty configurations. Steve -- Associate Professor Division of Policy and Planning Science http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/ Faculty of Systems and Information Email: turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tel: 029-853-5175 Tennodai 1-1-1, Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN

2 1

How to count the number of members in a list using Mailman client?
by Alan So 18 Mar '19

18 Mar '19

I tried to do so using Mailman client but it is really slow for lists with size > 1000. I use the following code snippet: my_list = client.get_list(listname) print ("number of members =", len(my_list.members)) Are there any other ways to do so in a much faster speed? Thanks.

2 1

Assistance with mailman3
by ayen＠afilias.info 15 Mar '19

15 Mar '19

Hi all I'm pretty new to mailman but been trying to install mailman 3 and been running into issues, following the documentation at http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html installed Python 3.6, nginx, ruby-sass then with pip installed whoosh mailman-hyperkitty postorius hyperkitty mailman tried to start mailman core, symlinked master and runner -> /usr/bin/ (otherwise it wouldn't run) mailman core starts but when I hit the api url I get this in the logs File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/mailman-3.2.2-py3.6.egg/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/mailman-3.2.2-py3.6.egg/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 218, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/falcon/api.py", line 248, in __call__ responder, params, resource, req.uri_template = self._get_responder(req) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/falcon/api.py", line 664, in _get_responder route = self._router_search(path, req=req) TypeError: find() got an unexpected keyword argument 'req' Mar 13 10:54:44 2019 (17273) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/ HTTP/1.1" 500 59 and on frontend "A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator." that leads to my gnu not working and throwing keyerrors for postorius. I'm using a clean install of ubuntu 18.04 but have also tried to install on centos 7 with no success. Are there any missing dependencies or steps that I've missed any assistance would be appreciated. Andy

3 2

Import Mailman 2.1.15 => Mailman 3 fails
by Jens Bretschneider 15 Mar '19

15 Mar '19

Hi, we want to replace our Mailman 2.1.15 installation and have installed Mailman 3 with Docker (maxking/docker-mailman). Everything seems to be fine so far, but the import of the old mailing lists fails. There are two different exceptions: MySQLdb._exceptions.OperationalError: (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xE2\\\x80\x8D0\xE2\\x80...' for column `mailmandb`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") as well as MySQLdb._exceptions.OperationalError: (1048, "Column 'description' cannot be null") The complete log can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/htd4eia1cg1kyi7/mailman3_import_log.txt?dl=0 Any idea what's going wrong here? Kind regards, Jens

3 3

Unable to configure mailman . Please give any information
by pradeep Kumar xplorer 14 Mar '19

14 Mar '19

Subject: [Fwd: Please list the variables i need to modify in the configure.in] From: "Pradeep Kumar Xplorer" pradeepkumarxplorer(a)pradeepkumarxplorer.com Date: Mon, March 11, 2019 4:04 am To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Priority: High Read Receipt: Requested [ Send Read Receipt Now ] Options: View Full Header | Print | Download this as a file ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Please list the variables i need to modify in the configure.in From: "Pradeep Kumar Xplorer" pradeepkumarxplorer(a)pradeepkumarxplorer.com Date: Thu, March 7, 2019 6:36 am To: mailman-users(a)python.org before running the configure script I changed AC_PREFIX_DEFAULT(/home1/explodi4/public_html/MAILMAN) and it still says /home/mailman does not exist. Pradeep Kumar Xplorer http://www.dhyanayoga.info http://www.pradeepkumarxplorer.com/2016/CyberCrime/index.php

2 1

hyperkitty error importing (from mm2 mbox) HTML emails / binary attachments
by M4tze 13 Mar '19

13 Mar '19

Dear list, I am importing emails from mm2 mbox archives into hyperkitty. This generally works but for HTML mails or mails having binary attachments, I get some errors: + ProgrammingError: (1064, u'You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near \'_binary\'<html>\\n<head>\\n<meta http-equiv=\\"Content-Type\\" content=\\"text/html; c\' at line 1') + I am using the following debian/ubuntu packages: * mailman3 3.1.1-9 * mailman3-full 3.1.1-9 * mailman3-web 0+20170523-14 * python-django-mailman3 1.1.0-4 * python-mailmanclient 3.1.1-5 * python3-mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0-4 * mysql-server 5.7.25-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 * mysql-server-5.7 5.7.25-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 * mysql-server-core-5.7 5.7.25-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 I changed the charset & collation of the mailman-web (incl. hyperkitty's) tables from latin1 to UTF8_mb4, which was neccessary to fix errors importing UTF8 mail. Does anyone has an idea of how to fix that? Kind regards - m4tze

1 0

mailman admin (django) interface does not work anymore after deleting website example.com
by Torge Riedel 10 Mar '19

10 Mar '19

Hi, I've just installed successfully mailman3 and started with basic configuration. When adding a new domain it gives me a link to a django admin page where I have to configure the available websites. I deleted the existing "example.com" and added a new one "lists.mydomain.de". Now the admin (django) interface always gives "An error occurred while processing your request". After one of the first navigation clicks I saw a message that "site with id 1 is missing". Can you point me to where the problem is and how to solve it? Maybe it was not a good idea to delete the existing one, but I would have expected that django will prevent this, if it will fail afterwards. Thanks and regards Torge The logs: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 156, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 154, in _get_response response = response.render() File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/response.py", line 106, in render self.content = self.rendered_content File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/response.py", line 83, in rendered_content content = template.render(context, self._request) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 169, in render with context.bind_template(self): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/contextlib.py", line 81, in __enter__ return next(self.gen) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/context.py", line 246, in bind_template updates.update(processor(self.request)) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_mailman3/context_processors.py", line 32, in common context["site_name"] = get_current_site(request).name File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/shortcuts.py", line 13, in get_current_site return Site.objects.get_current(request) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/models.py", line 60, in get_current return self._get_site_by_id(site_id) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/models.py", line 32, in _get_site_by_id site = self.get(pk=site_id) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 399, in get self.model._meta.object_name django.contrib.sites.models.Site.DoesNotExist: Site matching query does not exist.

3 3

Automatic response to non-members
by daniel.eckhoff＠gmail.com 08 Mar '19

08 Mar '19

Hi! I have a mailing list, where I accept every incoming message without subscription. I set this up for a recruitment website (jobs(a)xyz.org). It works nice. All mails are sent to archive where me and other admins can go through all applications. Now we want to set up an automatic response to incoming messages. I tried to set "Autorespond postings" but since the applicants are not subscribers, this won't work. I aso set the template for "Notice sent to a poster when their message has been received by the mailing list". Both approaches don't seem to work. Any ideas to get this working without relying on additional software?

2 1

Domain Resolving Issue
by brian＠emwd.com 07 Mar '19

07 Mar '19

I am running a Mailman 3 server with about 5 list domains configured on it. Most of them resolve quickly both to Postorius and HyperKitty. However there is one domain that resolves very slowly. Once it does, access to other pages/tasks go quickly. If you don't do anything with that domain in the browser after about 5 minutes, it takes its time again to resolve. What could be causing this? The webserver is Nginx. Not sure if this is a Mailman 3 issue or not. Brian

2 1

Change settings via mailman shell
by kk＠eco.cept.org 06 Mar '19

06 Mar '19

I am trying to find a way to set some parameters on the lists from a shell script. One specific parameter - max_message_size is not presented through the REST interface apparantly, and i found a way to set this with mailman shell command. Continuing this path i seem not to be able to set any other parameters like this: m.archive_policy = 'never' m.subject_prefix = '' m.dmarc_mitigate_action = 'munge_from' m.dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally = True commit() However i end up with this error: sqlalchemy.exc.StatementError: (builtins.AttributeError) 'str' object has no attribute 'value' [SQL: 'UPDATE mailinglist SET archive_policy=?, dmarc_mitigate_action=?, dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally=?, subject_prefix=? WHERE mailinglist.id = ?'] [parameters: [{'dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally': 'True', 'dmarc_mitigate_action': 'munge_from', 'subject_prefix': '', 'archive_policy': 'never', 'mailinglist_id': 65}]] Not sure what to make of it, but it seems like the fields are not there. I then proceed to get a list of all parameters with information found here: http://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclient… and the parameters seems to exist - however this list is made with the REST interface - so my question are - are there a difference in parameters in "mailman shell" command and REST interface - and how do i then get a list of parameter and possible settings in the "mailman shell" command ? Thanks in advance Kenneth Denmark

2 1

Mailman3 without Hyperkitty in docker
by Danil Smirnov 04 Mar '19

04 Mar '19

Hi, I'm interesting in Mailman3 deployment with archiving feature completely disabled. I've tried to deploy Core + Postorius using this docker-compose template: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/blob/master/docker-compose-postor… Unfortunately Postorius version came with this template is quite outdated: 1.2.0a1 (as reported in page footer). In Hyperkitty-enabled docker image I see version 1.2.3. I've also checked image maxking/postorius:rolling but it seems irrelevant/broken (container exits with error). Are there newer Postorius docker image I can use? Thanks, Danil Smirnov

3 18

Re: postorius only show 50 owner lists
by Alejandro Lopez 03 Mar '19

03 Mar '19

Ok, thanks!

1 0

postorius only show 50 owner lists
by elalelopez＠gmail.com 02 Mar '19

02 Mar '19

Hi, I have installed mailman3 suite on Debian 9. And postorius only lists up to 50 addresses when filter by owner: https: //lists.domain/mailman3/postorius/lists/? role = owner A first query in the database returns all the lists, but then, when it makes the subsequent queries for each list, it ends when it reaches 50. Any ideas? regards

2 3

Selective mailing
by chucka＠blackforest-co.com 02 Mar '19

02 Mar '19

I'm trying to find out if I move my web site to a hosting company using MM Ver 3 - with SQL. If I have a membership list in MySql used by MM - can I send an email to a select group? ["Your dues are due"]. Assumes the MM tables can be accessed? Anyhow what I want to do is: send message96 where expire > next month else send message95 Thanks

4 7

From address of subscription notifications
by worik 02 Mar '19

02 Mar '19

Friends When I subscribe some body to to a list I on I get a notification that says it comes from changeme(a)example.com As far as I can tell no subscribers are getting mail with that, so this is not a crises. But it is untidy and I cannot find where to change it. SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN is set in the mailman-web/environment section of docker-compose.yaml (I am using the docker distribution...) cheers Worik -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)

4 4

Managing users
by worik 01 Mar '19

01 Mar '19

Is there a interface for managing users? I can use the data base directly to query `auth_user` etcetera, but Postorious? Worik -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)

2 1

Bounces address spammed
by Enrique Terrazas 28 Feb '19

28 Feb '19

Greetings, I hope everyone is having a good day. We have a highly visible list that is being spammed with join requests from spoofed addresses. When the confirmation email is sent a bounce is received by the list owner. The count is in the 100’s of bounced emails/hour. We noticed they are all coming from one particular domain, this may help if we are able to filter/block the domain. What would be the best way to handle this? Is there a way to handle this granularly at the list level? Thank you as always for your assistance. Enrique

2 2

Member occur in Subscription Requests when Subscription Policy = Confirm
by Henrik Rasmussen 27 Feb '19

27 Feb '19

When Subscription Policy is set to Confirm (only), new potential subscriber appears in Subscription Requests until they have confirmed that they actually want to subscribe. As expected, the new potential subscriber receives a mail with a link to confirm. And also as expected, since moderation is NOT needed, the admin does not receive a mail about authorisation. Why does the new potential subscriber appear in Subscription Requests until confirmed by the subscriber, when the admin doesn't have to appove anyway? Is that by design? /Henrik Rasmussen

2 1

Archives visible to all
by worik 25 Feb '19

25 Feb '19

When I load my new mailing list system, before I log in, I can see the archives of all the lists. Without logging in. Even lists with archives set to private archives. What can I do about that? Worik -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)

2 3

Is logging.subscribe working in /etc/mailman.cfg?
by ktso＠cuhk.edu.hk 25 Feb '19

25 Feb '19

I have put the following in /etc/mailman.cfg and restart mailman. An empty file can be created but nothing can be logged when admin or non-member subscribe/unsubscribe. Anything I have missed? So far I can only see log appear in mailman.log and smtp.log. Thanks. [logging.subscribe] path: subscribe.log level: debug

3 5

Changing delivery mode for ALL subscribers on a SINGLE list using REST
by Henrik Rasmussen 25 Feb '19

25 Feb '19

While in Mailman Settings a user can change delivery mode for either Global (all subscriptions regardless of address or list), Address based (regardless of list name) or List Based (regardless of address). The list admin can change a user's delivery mode setting on a single list (affecting only that address and only that list), but only one subscriber at the time on the list. Changing a user's delivery mode can also be done using REST[1], but I asume this will affect the user's subscription on all the lists where she subscribed using the same address. How do I change ALL the subscribers[2] on a _single list_ to a certain delivery mode, using REST? [1] https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/preferences.… [2] Most likely by iterating through all subscribers, one at the time, on the list in question.

2 4

Tracking from gravatar
by worik 19 Feb '19

19 Feb '19

Privacy badger reports one tracker (for which it disables cookies) on my Mailman installation. It is: secure.gravatar.com What is this for and how do I get rid of it? I looked at the site and it seems like some sort of take a avatar any where. I do not want that on the lists I am managing for this group of users. cheers Worik -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)

3 3

Turn off social logins?
by worik 18 Feb '19

18 Feb '19

How do I turn off the social logins? I looked in the admin manual but They are not working, but I absolutely do not want them for now. Maybe one day, but my users will be allergic to even the hint.... Worik -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)

12 27

hyperkitty failed to create a thread
by Danil Smirnov 17 Feb '19

17 Feb '19

Hi all, What could be a reason of HyperKitty failing to create a thread from chained emails? For example, see "RECENTLY ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS" on page https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/ "Openvpn and Network mapping" discussion displayed as five threads instead of only one... Any ideas how to improve HyperKitty ability to detect threaded messages? With my best regards, Danil Smirnov

6 19

Logging of unsubscribe process
by Johannes Winter 16 Feb '19

16 Feb '19

Dear MM3 list, I was wondering whether the unsubscribe process is logged. One user accidentally hit "unsubscribe all" aborted the process but is now unsure whether he accidentally deleted users. Is there a easy way to check? Best regards, Johannes Winter

2 1

Remove message from send queue
by Johannes Winter 15 Feb '19

15 Feb '19

Dear MM3 list, A address with false syntax got added accidentally to one of our lists. The smtp server now rejects the mail with the following error codes found in mailman.log: Feb 15 11:36:55 2019 (34) <bbd7a3da-32e7-ad12-4b5b-e250b3447639(a)domain.tld> recipients refused: {'l3s3105p7(a)91.55.218.102': (401, b'4.1.3 Bad recipient address syntax')} Feb 15 11:36:55 2019 (34) <bbd7a3da-32e7-ad12-4b5b-e250b3447639(a)domain.tld> smtp to xxx(a)yyy.com for 1 recips, completed in 0.031468868255615234 seconds Feb 15 11:36:55 2019 (34) <bbd7a3da-32e7-ad12-4b5b-e250b3447639(a)domain.tld> post to list from address(a)domain.tld, 767768 bytes, 1 failures Feb 15 11:36:55 2019 (34) <bbd7a3da-32e7-ad12-4b5b-e250b3447639(a)domain.tld> delivery to l3s3105p7(a)91.55.218.102 failed with code 401, b'4.1.3 Bad recipient address syntax' How to remove this mails from the queue? Removing the address from the list doesn't help. Best regards, Johannes Winter

2 1

Mass subscription maximum addresses
by Enrique Terrazas 14 Feb '19

14 Feb '19

Greetings, Is there a maximum amount of accounts that can be imported using the postorius mass subscription application? I know we can import using the command line; some of our customers have very large mailing lists that change by semester. Trying to see how much of that work could be handled by the list owner rather than by the mailman admins. As always thank you for your time and assistance. Best regards, Enrique

2 1

Feature list / compare mailman3 <-> mailman3
by Torge Riedel 14 Feb '19

14 Feb '19

Hi, here I have found an interesting sentence: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/release-notes.html "Mailman 3 is not yet feature complete with Mailman 2.1" Is there somewhere an overview of what is missing / different? Since I'm faced with changing the server where mailman is running on, I came up to install mailman3 instead of mailman2. Best regards Torge

2 1

Different (official?) documentations available - what is the correct one?
by Torge Riedel 14 Feb '19

14 Feb '19

Hi, I've found two different documentations: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/index.html https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html Where the first one looks to me like the official documentation (when looking at the URL), the second one looks more up-to-date. Is there a reason behind it? Best regards Torge

2 1

Gmail emails bouncing - anybody seen this problem?
by worik 14 Feb '19

14 Feb '19

Friends On a fresh install (docker) on a fresh VPS I am getting all Mailman messages to Gmail addresses bouncing telling me I am sending too many messages. Has anybody else have this problem? I am getting the following error in mail.log: "Our system has detected an unusual rate of 550-5.7.1 unsolicited mail originating from your IP address. To protect our 550-5.7.1 users from spam, mail sent from your IP address has been blocked. 550-5.7.1 Please visit 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedIPError to review our 550 5.7.1 Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. l26si395949wme.8 - gsmtp" I have been to the URL mentioned and exhausted my options there. Worik -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)

3 6

Postorius 1.2.3 and MailmanClient 3.2.1 is now out
by Abhilash Raj 11 Feb '19

11 Feb '19

Hi All, I am very pleased to announce (a bit late) that Postorius 1.2.3 and MailmanClient 3.2.1 is now out. The full set of changelog can be found in the documentation[1][2]. The most notable feature that I can think of is non-member management in Postorius. New releases are available on PyPI[3][4]. Thanks to all the contributors who made this release possible! :) [1]: https://postorius.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html#id2 [2]: https://mailmanclient.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailmanclient/docs/NEWS.… [3]: https://pypi.org/project/mailmanclient/ [4]: https://pypi.org/project/postorius/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

2 6

How can administrator sign people up to a list?
by worik 11 Feb '19

11 Feb '19

As a list administrator, how do I add a group of email addresses to a list? Worik -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)

2 3

Recommendation - Developer
by jk＠ascii.com 08 Feb '19

08 Feb '19

Hi - we are currently seeking a developer to work with us on leveraging HyperKitty and our current use of mailman. Any suggestions is appreciated, please DM me at jk(a)ascii.com. Thank you in advance.

1 0

mailman start - can't open file
by Mark Dale 07 Feb '19

07 Feb '19

Hi All, On a new installation (pip), when starting Mailman it seems it cannot find the "master" file. Have I missed a configuration somewhere that tells it to look in "/usr/local/bin" rather than "/usr/bin"? TIA, Mark root@sfo:/etc# mailman start Starting Mailman's master runner /usr/bin/python3: can't open file '/usr/bin/master': [Errno 2] No such file or directory root@sfo:/etc# ls -la /usr/local/bin total 1528 drwxrwsr-x 4 root staff 4096 Feb 7 05:22 . drwxrwsr-x 10 root staff 4096 Jan 23 23:12 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 215 Feb 7 04:03 aiosmtpd -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 216 Feb 7 04:03 alembic -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 266 Feb 7 04:24 django-admin -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 125 Feb 7 04:24 django-admin.py -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 218 Feb 7 04:03 falcon-bench -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 225 Feb 7 04:03 falcon-print-routes -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 221 Feb 7 04:03 mailman -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 216 Feb 7 04:03 mako-render -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 220 Feb 7 04:03 master -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 214 Feb 7 04:03 nosetests -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 214 Feb 7 04:03 nosetests-3.4 drwxr-sr-x 2 root staff 4096 Feb 7 04:24 __pycache__ -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 220 Feb 7 04:03 runner -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 1496712 Feb 7 04:52 uwsgi drwxr-xr-x 12 root staff 4096 Feb 7 05:22 var root@sfo:/etc# mailman info GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.7.2+ (default, Feb 2 2019, 14:31:48) [GCC 8.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////etc/var/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass

2 2

Strange error in uwsgi-error.log
by brian＠emwd.com 07 Feb '19

07 Feb '19

I am seeing the following error being logged every few minutes: 18:50:29 [Q] INFO Process-1:7 processing [update_from_mailman] 18:50:29 [Q] ERROR malformed return hook '<function process_task_result at 0x7f588e8c5950>' for [update_from_mailman] 18:50:29 [Q] ERROR Failed [update_from_mailman] - null value in column "description" violates not-null constraint DETAIL: Failing row contains (1, testlist@"listdomain", Testlist, null, [Testlist] , 2, 2018-12-21 22:22:08.440729+00, testlist."listdomain"). : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 85, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) psycopg2.IntegrityError: null value in column "description" violates not-null constraint DETAIL: Failing row contains (1, testlist@"listdomain", Testlist, null, [Testlist] , 2, 2018-12-21 22:22:08.440729+00, testlist."listdomain"). The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 377, in worker res = f(*task['args'], **task['kwargs']) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 66, in unlock_and_call return func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 293, in update_from_mailman mlist.update_from_mailman() File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py", line 192, in update_from_mailman self.save() File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 718, in save force_update=force_update, update_fields=update_fields) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 748, in save_base updated = self._save_table(raw, cls, force_insert, force_update, using, update_fields) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 812, in _save_table forced_update) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 861, in _do_update return filtered._update(values) > 0 File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 712, in _update return query.get_compiler(self.db).execute_sql(CURSOR) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1383, in execute_sql cursor = super().execute_sql(result_type) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1065, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 68, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers(sql, params, many=False, executor=self._execute) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 77, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 85, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 89, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 85, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) django.db.utils.IntegrityError: null value in column "description" violates not-null constraint DETAIL: Failing row contains (1, testlist@"listdomain", Testlist, null, [Testlist] , 2, 2018-12-21 22:22:08.440729+00, testlist."listdomain"). Any ideas? Thanks, Brian

3 5

Various settings files for mailman3-web
by worik 07 Feb '19

07 Feb '19

Friends What is the difference between the three settings*.py files in /usr/share/mailman3-web/? ~$ ls /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings* -l -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14939 Feb 7 01:50 /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Sep 17 11:00 /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py -> /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6178 Sep 17 11:00 /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py.sample Worik -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)

2 1

Mass subscription in "file submit"
by erlonmz＠terra.com.br 05 Feb '19

05 Feb '19

We would like add members using "file submit" "class ListMassSubscription(forms.Form): emails = forms.FileField( label='Select File' help_text='Select a file' ) " What is your opinion about this change?

2 1

Installation problem: Ubuntu 18.10 mailman3-full. EMAIL_HOST_USER
by worik 05 Feb '19

05 Feb '19

Friends I am installing on a fresh ubuntu 18.10 using mailman3-full. Following http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html after http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html and I have got to point where I am a bit stumped. I have to set EMAIL_HOST_USER and EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD I am unsure what I should use here. What sort of user? Worik -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)

2 1

Using MySQL via unix socket
by Torge Riedel 02 Feb '19

02 Feb '19

Hi, I'm trying to setup mailman3 on Linux and try to find out how the connection string must look like to let it accept unix sockets. A call to mysql -umailman -p successfully uses the socket on the machine and logs in. I tried mysql+pymysql://mailman:mailmanpass@127.0.0.1/mailman3?charset=utf8&use_unicode=1&unix_socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock as the connection string but it says that mysql server is not available. Which is the same if remove the "unix_socket" parameter. I have found this parameter when searching the net, but I'm not sure if it is supported. Thanks in advance and best regards Torge

2 2

Audit Logs
by Enrique Terrazas 31 Jan '19

31 Jan '19

Greetings, I’m wondering if there is an “audit log” of sorts to see who made changes to a specific list. What we’re after is a way of tracking, in case requested, who made additions or deletions of subscribers etc. I can see the DELETE commands in the ./mailman/logs/mailman.log file but it doesn’t specifically state who made the request. It can be inferred from the timestamps. I’m just wondering if there is somewhere else I should be looking for this information. Thank you, Enrique J. Terrazas

2 1

Issue with mySQLdb-module on Debian
by Bjoern Franke 24 Jan '19

24 Jan '19

Hi, I already opened a debian bugreport for it, but I'm still wondering why the following issue appears: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 30, in <module> 'Did you install mysqlclient or MySQL-python?' % e django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Error loading MySQLdb module: No module named 'MySQLdb'. Did you install mysqlclient or MySQL-python? python3-pymysql, which is a dependency of mailman3-web and provides mySQLdb, is installed. (Maybe it's time to migrate to postgres.) Kind regards Bjoern

3 4

importing from google groups.
by Abhijith PA 23 Jan '19

23 Jan '19

Hello. Is it possible to import google group archives to mailman3. With this[1] script, I was able to export archives. Please let me know if anyone have tried and succeeded. --abhijith [1] - https://github.com/icy/google-group-crawler

2 1

MAILMAN_HOST_IP_AUTO
by Johannes Winter 22 Jan '19

22 Jan '19

Dear MM3 list, while doing some reboot proofing for our mailman setup, I once more ran into https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues/133. May it be that https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/pull/143 hasn't made it yet into the docker image maxking/mailman-web:0.2 which is the current recommended stable version? Would be real nice (for stability!) to have this feature included. Best regards, Johannes Winter

2 1

MAILMAN_HOST_IP_AUTO
by Johannes Winter 22 Jan '19

22 Jan '19

Dear MM3 list, while doing some reboot proofing for our mailman setup, I once more ran into https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues/133. May it be that https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/pull/143 hasn't made it yet into the docker image maxking/mailman-web:0.2 which is the current recommended stable version? Would be real nice (for stability!) to have this feature included. Best regards, Johannes Winter

1 0

MIME Digests with posts and index inline likewise Plain Text Digests
by Henrik Rasmussen 18 Jan '19

18 Jan '19

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand, Mailman attaches posts in a MIME Digest mail intead of inline in the digest mail itself, like Plain Text Digests does. Some mail readers like Gmail eventually displays attachments inline anyway, but readers like Outlook do not. Also the digest index seems to be posted as an attachment in MIME Digests. Would it be possible for Mailman to send both posts and index inline in the MIME digest? I am pretty sure it's not a feature yet, but if Mailman would be able to, I will submit an issue in core (I presume). /Henrik Rasmussen

2 1

Re: digests are created but not sent out
by "Jörg M. Schulz" 17 Jan '19

17 Jan '19

Well, the template files seem to reside in the database, not on the filesystem. So maybe there is some other issue here?

1 0

Change domain, easy?
by Thor Atle Rustad 14 Jan '19

14 Jan '19

Hello list, How can I change the domain (from spammedtodeath.example.org to newdomain.example.org. The change should apply to all relevant settings as well as existing lists. Sincerely, Thor Atle Rustad

2 1

MM3 Docker
by Odhiambo Washington 11 Jan '19

11 Jan '19

[Requesting everyone to be patient with me because I am not so good with Linux, Docker is a completely new thing to me, and MM3, well....] So, I have a VM running Ubuntu-18.04. It is in a Data Centre somewhere. It has an IP n.n.n.n (a public IP). Also, it does not have high resources. However, I hope I can at least get to install MM3 and test it using https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ If I could run MM3 using the apt-get install method, perhaps that would have made my life a bit easier, hoping that MM3 can actually be run in parallel with MM2.1 on the same host. Is anyone doing that already?? Anyway, I need some hand-holding using the docker method for now. I am reading the steps as documented on the https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ and somethings aren't clear to me: I have created two files: (a) /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py: SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN: 'mm3.my.co.ke' ALLOWED_HOSTS: 'my.co.ke' HYPERKITTY_API_KEY: 'Whatever' MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER: 'admin' MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL: 'odhiambo(a)gmail.com' SECRET_KEY: 'Whatever' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = '172.19.199.1' EMAIL_PORT = 25 (b) /opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg HYPERKITTY_API_KEY: 'Whatever' DATABASE_URL: 'mysql+pymysql://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb' DATABASE_TYPE: 'mysql' DATABASE_CLASS: 'mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase' Questions: Are the formats correct? Do I use quotes or not? My docker-compuse.yaml: version: '2' services: mailman-core: image: maxking/mailman-core:latest container_name: mailman-core hostname: mailman-core volumes: - /opt/mailman/core:/opt/mailman/ links: - database:database depends_on: - database environment: - DATABASE_URL=mysql+pymysql://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - DATABASE_TYPE=mysql - DATABASE_CLASS=mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=someapikey networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.2 mailman-web: image: maxking/mailman-web:latest container_name: mailman-web hostname: mailman-web depends_on: - database links: - mailman-core:mailman-core - database:database volumes: - /opt/mailman/web:/opt/mailman-web-data environment: - DATABASE_URL=mysql://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - DATABASE_TYPE=mysql - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=someapikey - SECRET_KEY=thisisaverysecretkey - DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/mysql/lib/ networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.3 database: environment: MYSQL_DATABASE: mailmandb MYSQL_USER: mailman MYSQL_PASSWORD: mailmanpass MYSQL_RANDOM_ROOT_PASSWORD: "yes" restart: always image: mariadb:10.3 volumes: - /opt/mailman/database:/var/lib/mysql After all that, I have run the following: wash@lists:~/docker-mailman$ docker-compose up -d Creating network "docker-mailman_mailman" with driver "bridge" Creating docker-mailman_database_1 ... done Creating mailman-core ... done Recreating 4b7bc1ecef65_mailman-web ... done Question - Should I assume everything is okay and proceed to the next steps? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

4 21

digests are created but not sent out
by "Jörg M. Schulz" 09 Jan '19

09 Jan '19

sudo -u list mailman digests -vp tells that the most recent digest has been sent, but nobody receives these digests. No mail or other log file has any clue what has happened. digest_queue = config.switchboards['digest'] >>> digest_queue <mailman.core.switchboard.Switchboard object at 0x7f9c8ed14940> >>> digest_queue.files [] m.digest_send_periodic = True Normal, non-digest messages are sent correctly. Administrative messages as well. Using GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato) Where could I look for errors / stuck queues? /var/lib/mailman3/lists /var/lib/mailman3/lists/mailman.unswolke.de /var/lib/mailman3/lists/mailman.unswolke.de/digest.2.3.mmdf /var/lib/mailman3/lists/mailman.unswolke.de/digest.3.2.mmdf /var/lib/mailman3/lists/mailman.unswolke.de/digest.4.2.mmdf /var/lib/mailman3/lists/mailman.unswolke.de/digest.2.6.mmdf /var/lib/mailman3/lists/mailman.unswolke.de/digest.2.4.mmdf /var/lib/mailman3/lists/mailman.unswolke.de/digest.4.1.mmdf /var/lib/mailman3/lists/mailman.unswolke.de/digest.3.1.mmdf /var/lib/mailman3/lists/mailman.unswolke.de/digest.mmdf /var/lib/mailman3/lists/mailman.unswolke.de/digest.4.3.mmdf

2 13

Docker-mailman (performance?): "AH00894: declining URL", "AH01077: declining URL", "AH01105: NOT Closing connection", "AH01076: url: ... proxyname: (null) proxyport: 0"
by Henrik Rasmussen 09 Jan '19

09 Jan '19

I am using docker-mailman with GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato). Even I have had no complains previously, a list admin have received proxy errors a couple of days. Right after one occurrence I immediately looked at the logs and while I had no related errors in the log files in /var/log/mailman/web/{uwsgi,uwsgi-error,mailmanweb}.log, the Apache log often shows "AH00894: declining URL", "AH01077: declining URL", "AH01105: NOT Closing connection", "AH01076: url: ... proxyname: (null) proxyport: 0". The errors seems to go back a long time, also on previous versions of Mailman, but no one have complained about it until now. Apache is version 2.4.6 on a RHEL 7 assuming Red Hat have backported any bugs about timeout previously know as hardcoded timeout of 30s etc. I assume therefore that even Mailman did not indicate any errors, it may have been too slow to respond. The server does not seem to be slow at all. Is there a way I can enhance the performance of Mailman (Docker)? I've asked about performance previously, but as I don't think my current question is related to REST, it's probably not related to https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…. Henrik

1 0

Removing Archives for a Deleted List
by kelly.close＠lrewater.com 09 Jan '19

09 Jan '19

Renewing this question ... maybe, there is now a straightforward way to delete archives associated with a deleted list in MM3? Through the UI would be ideal, but if there is a command line approach, I can make that work. Searching the message boards has not turned up anything either way for me. Thoughts? ~Kelly

2 1

hyperkitty base_url
by Thomas Stein 08 Jan '19

08 Jan '19

Hi all. Now I'm struggeling with configuring hyperkitty. It's not clear to me which base_url to set. Currently it's base_url: http://localhost:8001/hyperkitty/ but that leads to Jan 04 21:01:39 2019 (8322) HyperKitty failure on http://localhost:8000/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) The api_key is set in /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py. I suppose I'm doing it wrong. Any hints appreciated. thanks and cheers t.

4 8

Auth question
by David Krantz 08 Jan '19

08 Jan '19

Hi, I have of course activated password login as it was not possible to get the provider based logins to work (might be but not worth the time for me right now). Is there any way for an user to request a new password when it is forgotten? I presume that the Persona login is removed now. I cannot hide it in my version or at least I do not know how. cheers // David

6 25

Getting Archives to work - new setup on Ubuntu 18.04 (with mailman3-full pkg)
by kelly.close＠lrewater.com 08 Jan '19

08 Jan '19

Happy New Year! I'm setting up my first Mailman 3 server and was delighted to find a distribution package for Ubuntu 18.04, since that's the environment I'm most familiar with working in, that installs an integrated mailman3-hyperkitty-postorius setup. The package install plus the additional config steps in the included README files have gotten me oh-so-very close! What isn't working yet are the archives, specifically the messages sent to lists showing up at .../mailman3/hyperkitty. I'm at a loss and I'm hoping maybe the folks on this list can help me bring it home. Messages are distributed to subscribers as they should be - subscribers can send from their emails or from the web site. People can subscribe, etc. It's all working great. Just no archives. I am able to successfully run these django-admin processes without errors (described here: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required). I've run them all manually and then I've been running the minutely and hourly ones manually after each test message I send (haven't set up the actual cron jobs yet). I'm not sure what to try next or what info to provide here for help - can anyone suggest where I can look to see why archives aren't getting created, or let me know what information would be essential for me to post to get help on this? I'm using PostgreSQL for the database, Postfix for mail and Apache2 for the web server. Thanks for your time! ~Kelly

2 8

$member does not appear to be dereferencing correctly in moderated subscription requests
by Joel Lord 08 Jan '19

08 Jan '19

So I'm having an issue with a new 3.2 install. All the lists I have are set to confirm + approve on new subscriptions, but it seems that no matter how a new subscription come in, it does not actually pass the applicant's name to the moderator. I've tested now with a new email address previously unknown to the system and made sure I filled in the name field in the form. I've tested with an email address previously KNOWN to the system (subscribed to other lists) that has its display name fields filled in AND filled in the name on the subscription form, and yet again with that account having cleared out the display name fields associated with the account. In all cases I was careful to be sure to fill in the name on the subscription form. Buried somewhere in the templates documenation I found that the $member template variable in the list:admin:action:subscribe.txt template is supposed to be both the email address and the display name of the person applying to subscribe, but it just doesn't appear to be coming up as more than just the email address. Have I missed something horribly, or did I come across a bug? -- Joel Lord

2 1

File Attachments
by brian＠emwd.com 08 Jan '19

08 Jan '19

Happy Monday everyone. Are there any plans to include the ability to attach files via the web interface? Or did I miss something? Thanks, Brian

5 9

Mass subscriptions
by Enrique Terrazas 07 Jan '19

07 Jan '19

Hello, One of our customers has requested a list that will include around 50,000 subscribers. The customers has provided the email addresses in a CSV file, is there a way to import this data to a mailman list from a CSV file or is the Mass Subscribe option the preferred method? Best regards, Enrique J. Terrazas

2 2

ARC support
by Marvin Gülker 05 Jan '19

05 Jan '19

Hi everyone, I just stumbled over an in-progress standard called ARC. It is appearently intended to solve the problems DMARC causes for mailinglists if I understand correctly. Since I've not seen a summary of it somewhere, I just give the plain links to it: * Website: http://arc-spec.org/ * Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmarc-arc-protocol/ Will Mailman at some point support this new standard? Marvin -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F

2 1

Avoiding the List name in TO or CC headers
by Asaf Ohayon 04 Jan '19

04 Jan '19

Hello I've made a list personalized ( =2 in mailinglist table), So in TO: I see the actual member, But still I have the list address in CC header, Can this be removed ? 10x

3 2

no mails to list members
by Thomas Stein 04 Jan '19

04 Jan '19

Hi all. I'm trying to upgrade my mailman2 installation to version 3. I thought lets test with on list first. I imported the list with: mailman import21 bla(a)lists.blabla.de bla/config.pck. This went well. Now i try to send an email to bla(a)lists.blabla.de but the message only got delivered to the mailman host. Jan 03 14:43:44 2019 (10434) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 38784) Jan 03 14:43:44 2019 (10434) ('127.0.0.1', 38784) handling connection Jan 03 14:43:44 2019 (10434) ('127.0.0.1', 38784) Data: b'LHLO shinymail.eu' Jan 03 14:43:44 2019 (10434) ('127.0.0.1', 38784) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<himbeere(a)meine-oma.de>' Jan 03 14:43:44 2019 (10434) ('127.0.0.1', 38784) sender: himbeere(a)meine-oma.de Jan 03 14:43:44 2019 (10434) ('127.0.0.1', 38784) Data: b'RCPT TO:<bla(a)lists.blabla.de>' Jan 03 14:43:44 2019 (10434) ('127.0.0.1', 38784) recip: bla(a)lists.blabla.de Jan 03 14:43:44 2019 (10434) ('127.0.0.1', 38784) Data: b'DATA' Jan 03 14:43:45 2019 (10434) ('127.0.0.1', 38784) Data: b'QUIT' Jan 03 14:43:45 2019 (10434) ('127.0.0.1', 38784) connection lost Jan 03 14:43:45 2019 (10434) Connection lost during _handle_client() No messages ar actually delivered to the list members. Can someone tell me where i have to look to solve this problem? The "Delivery status" is set to enabled. thanks and cheers t.

5 16

mailman3-suite not sending confirmation emails
by ccehb＠nus.edu.sg 04 Jan '19

04 Jan '19

Hi, This is my first experience using mailman. I recently downloaded and setup mailman3 suite which comes with hyperkitty. I don't really understand why the email is not working. I had an external smtp server (mymailserver.com) residing on different IP from my web server that hosts mailman stuff. I had modified settings.py with debug = False and added the following: EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'mymailserver.com' EMAIL_PORT = 25 I also added these inside mailman.cfg [mta] outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: mymailserver.com smtp_port: 25 Thanks for your help! I check the logs but there isn't anything. When I sign up, nothing happens and I can't figure out why?

2 1

mailman shell
by Alan So 03 Jan '19

03 Jan '19

Sorry for my ignorance. May I know what should be imported before using mailman shell within Python? $ python3.6 Python 3.6.6 (default, Aug 13 2018, 18:24:23) [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-28)] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> command = cli('mailman.commands.cli_withlist.shell') Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> NameError: name 'cli' is not defined Link to documentation: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/shell.ht…

3 6

Re: Getting Archives to work - new setup on Ubuntu 18.04 (with mailman3-full pkg)
by Abhijith PA 03 Jan '19

03 Jan '19

Hi On Thursday 03 January 2019 06:39 AM, kelly.close(a)lrewater.com wrote: > Yes - lists are known to Hyperkitty but no, no Archived-At header > in received posts. > > But, Bingo! > > I hadn't looked at the log file immediately after trying to post a > message so I missed this. I don't know the solution yet but ... > what is this telling me? Something doesn't have the permissions it > needs somewhere... > > Jan 02 18:01:15 2019 (616) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET > /3.0/lists/mailman3_test.udfcd-lists.org/member/udfcd.alert(a)gmail.com > HTTP/1.1" 200 484 Jan 02 18:01:18 2019 (609) ACCEPT: > <20190103010115.530.63813@udmailman> Jan 02 18:01:18 2019 (615) > HyperKitty failure on > https://udfcd-lists.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: > <html><title>Auth required</title><bod$ <h1>Authorization > Required</h1></body></html> (401) ... (that line repeates 4 times) > Jan 02 18:01:20 2019 (606) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: > <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization > Required</h1></body></html> Jan 02 18:01:20 2019 (606) Traceback > (most recent call last): File > "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", > line 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) > File > "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", > line 210, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) > ValueError: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> > <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> What is your base_url in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg ? --a

2 2

Mailman3 and Centos 7
by brian＠emwd.com 03 Jan '19

03 Jan '19

Just a heads up for those wanting to install Mailman3 on a Centos 7 server, be aware of FirewallD. There are a number of ports and services you have to tell it to allow in order to get Mailman3 functional. More experienced sysadmins might know this but I did not.

2 2

How to get Mailman core to provide more debug info in a running environment
by Henrik Rasmussen 03 Jan '19

03 Jan '19

Docker-mailman 0.1.1 I am using Mailman 3.1 in production and I am trying to debug a problem[1] so I tried to setting Mailman to provide more debug info in the smtp.log file[2]. I might have been doing it wrong, but in the mailman-extra.cfg I set [logging.smtp-failure] path: smtp.log and restarted Mailman, which stopped incoming mails until removing the added section. What is the correct way to get Mailman to provide more debug info in the smtp.log 1) https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… 2) http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/config/docs/config.html… Henrik Rasmussen

4 5

Customizing Look and Feel?
by Joel Lord 31 Dec '18

31 Dec '18

Is it possible to customize the look at feel of the web interface at all? I have some lists that really require that subscription requests include full name, to make the workload on the moderators, well, workable in keeping a closed list tight. I've found where the "Your name (optional)" text is in list_forms.py, but modifying that strikes me as a poor plan. Changing that text would be lovely. Actually making that field required would be seriously awesome. Is this possible in the current code base (3.2.0) without doing ill-advised things modifying source code? Thanks! -- Joel Lord Web Administrator, Alpha Psi Omega Grand Cast etc... etc... etc...

2 1

Converting non-members to members
by Alan So 27 Dec '18

27 Dec '18

Postorius is not currently exposing non-members management. Our Mailman 2 users are currently using accept_these_nonmembers, hold_these_nonmembers and reject_these_nonmembers. We know that mailman import21 will change these to nonmembers entries in Mailman 3. Since list owners will still want to manage them, we tend to move all of them to members and turn off delivery status for them. However, we met some difficulties when we try to develop using mailman client. 1) If those non-members addresses already exist as members, we will encounter error when we subscribe for them: urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 409: b'Member already subscribed' 2) We cannot change the moderation_action: urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 400: b'Cannot convert parameters: moderation_action' 3) We cannot change the preference: urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 400: b'Cannot convert parameters: delivery_status' Are there any better ways to enable the list owners to manage those previously configured nonmembers' addresses through the web? Otherwise, we probably need to have some manual effort to overcome the above three issues. We know that we can always do the above manually but we got a lot of lists to migrate to Mailman 3.

2 3

Verification Failed Error
by brian＠emwd.com 23 Dec '18

23 Dec '18

I am trying to get the reset password function to work but I am getting this error message: smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused: {'email(a)address.com': (550, b'Verification failed for <postorius(a)mailman3.hostname.com>\nUnknown user\nSender verify failed')} Brian

4 31

Docker Installation of Mailman -- The Hyperkitty Chronicles
by brian＠emwd.com 23 Dec '18

23 Dec '18

Using Maxking's docker project to install mailman3, I have a fairly functional mailman3 installation. However Hyperkitty is not archiving or showing list participants like: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/ This is my page: https://mailman3.emwd.com/hyperkitty/list/testlist@mailman3.emwd.com/ The docker documents really don't say much about getting HK up and running. Brian

3 9

Mailman3 and Exim setup
by brian＠emwd.com 21 Dec '18

21 Dec '18

I am installing Mailman3 via the Docker image provided by maxking. In his instructions he says: "To use Exim4, it should be setup to relay emails from 172.19.199.3 and 172.19.199.2." I am not sure where in the exim.conf file this is done. I took a guess at: hostlist relay_from_hosts = localhost : 172.19.199.3 : 172.19.199.2 Was my guess wrong?

4 4

ONLY moderator senders messages
by erlonmz＠hotmail.com 21 Dec '18

21 Dec '18

how to configure the mailman 3 for only moderators to send messages?

1 0

Mailman3 via Docker and NGINX
by brian＠emwd.com 19 Dec '18

19 Dec '18

I have Mailman3 installed on CentOS 7 using maxking's docker image. I believe the installation went fine and running "curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/" produces the correct output. I also will be using exim and nginx with this installation. It seems I am stuck with the nginx setup. I created a sitename.com.conf file in the /etc/nginx/conf.d folder. I have the following inputted there: server { listen 80; server_name `sitename.com`; location /static/ { alias /opt/mailman/web/static/; } location / { include uwsgi_params; uwsgi_pass 172.19.199.3:8000; uwsgi_read_timeout 300; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } } However when I go to http://sitename.com (obviously using an alias here for privacy reasons) I get the default nginx index page. Do I need to add anything to the main nginx.conf file to be able to see my mailman3 installation? Thank you for any assistance, Brian Carpenter

4 9

Templates
by David Krantz 19 Dec '18

19 Dec '18

Hi. How do I set a template for one specific list? I want one list to have a special footer template. I have tried updating the database (template table) without effect so apparently the database is not used for templates or some kind of fallback is used to set it to the generic footer. Of course I also tried to restart mailman after that operation to try to rule out any caching-related problem. I want to use a file://-path as that is the least painful way of doing it. I also would like a solution to place a file in a special location. My current templates are in a .../var/templates/site/en/ structure with names like list:member:generic:footer.txt Cheers // David

4 14

Newbie Wants To Know About Multiple Lists
by Christopher Garwood 19 Dec '18

19 Dec '18

Howdy, I am new to Mailman and there are so many things I would like to know. Before I try to find out how to install and configure the software, I need to know if, how and what is required for us to set up this software to deal with more than one email list. I am working with a plan to setup a CentOS VPS on which Mailman will be hosted. The objective is to host and administrate mailing list for the 3 entities that I am directly involved with. These lists must function completely unrelated to each other including the email addresses from which the emails & news letters are sent from. If this is possible can I be given information or a link to how it can be done and what is required?

2 2

disable-by-bounces
by erlonmz＠hotmail.com 19 Dec '18

19 Dec '18

copying a question already made here last year "I want to delete members automatically from a mailing list if the delivery has failed after a certain time of attempts because his mailbox has been removed or his mail server has been shutdown." at the time Mailman 3 was in version 3.1, today we are in 3.2. is this option available?

2 1

Button unsubscribe
by erlonmz＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '18

17 Dec '18

how to put a button unsubscribe in the message together with the part " LIST mailing list -- LIST@domain To unsubscribe send an email to LIST-leave@domain' I want to put this button in the emails to the users unsubscribe. it would already send the confirmation tolkien. my question is, has some place where generated tolkien is saved in mailman files?

3 4

Hyperkitty archives - new list not archived
by vaarcilal＠eafit.edu.co 12 Dec '18

12 Dec '18

Hi!! I'm running mailman 3.2 on Ubuntu server 18.04. Installed it via pip inside a conda virtual environment. I'm having problems related to hyperkitty on which I'd really appreciate some help. When I try to access the archives of a mailing list named 'test-nov' it redirects me to 'example.com/hyperkitty/list/test-nov@example.com/', where a 404 appears and a 'No archived mailing-list by that name.' message is thrown by hyperkitty.views.mlist.overview. I'm not very experienced with django, so I could have made a mistake on any configuration. I have not configured an MX for my mail server yet, so I'm able to send emails but I can't recieve emails for my lists. Is this somehow related to a misconfigurated MTA? Which logs should I take into account? Regards, Vincent.

2 5

Mailman3-Web lots of database queries
by Stefan Tatschner 10 Dec '18

10 Dec '18

Hey! I recently set up a mailman3 instance and it works quite nice. I use the debian packages from buster. After running the thing for a few days, I realized an unexpected network load (my postgres database is on a separate machine). Turning the postgres log on revealed that mailman3 constantly queries the database: [...] 2018-11-17 16:33:15.417 UTC [8304] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:15.385901+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:15.663 UTC [8305] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:15.621505+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:15.664 UTC [8306] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:15.624011+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:15.908 UTC [8308] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:15.870547+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:15.910 UTC [8307] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:15.871611+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:16.152 UTC [8310] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:16.116762+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:16.154 UTC [8309] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:16.114878+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:16.390 UTC [8311] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:16.358211+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:16.393 UTC [8312] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:16.359704+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:16.634 UTC [8313] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:16.596602+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:16.636 UTC [8314] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:16.598296+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:16.882 UTC [8315] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:16.842795+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 2018-11-17 16:33:16.884 UTC [8316] mailman3web@mailman3web LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2018-11-17T16:32:16.841916+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 [...] Is this behaviour intended? Stefan

4 12

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 on Ubuntu 18.04
by Odhiambo Washington 09 Dec '18

09 Dec '18

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 22:37, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/9/18 10:14 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > In my quest to run Mailman3, I obtained a VM running Ubuntu 18.04 and > > started on getting to run Mailman3. > > I found this link -> https://github.com/iomarmochtar/mailman3_ei > > It has instructions which looked fairly simple to get Mailman3 installed. > > However, I did encounter some hitches since the script is not meant for > > Ubuntu. > > > First, a more appropriate list for Mailman 3 is > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users@mailman3.org/>. > I am shifting to that list, after this. > > Also, we find it very difficult to address issues arising from third > party packages and how-tos. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>. > > And, there is a Mailman 3 package for Debian/Ubuntu > > apt install mailman3-full > In all my searching, I never found this in any documentation. I must have been searching in the wild, or my FreeBSD-mindedness got me stuck to containers and VENVs. > > With a few runs and observing the logs and modifying the script at every > > step it encountered and error, I finally managed to install Mailman3. It > > seems this is what you guys call a virtual environment in the Linux > world? > > :-) > > > I think the virtual environment in this case is a Python thing, not a > Linux thing. > I agree with you on that. > <snip> > > > Much of what I snipped is specific to > <https://github.com/iomarmochtar/mailman3_ei>, the details of which I'm > not interested in learning. > That is fine. I have put it aside for now. > > > >>From this point now is where I need help - serious help in smoothening > > things up and getting to understand these venv stuff! > > > > So I did run 'service mailman3 start' but this seems to be waiting for > too > > long to drop me back into the CLI. > > I also run 'systemctl start supervisord' and that seems to work. What I > am > > not sure is whether 'systemctl stop supervisord' actually does what it is > > expected to do because after I execute it, I still see processes running > > that I think are related. > > > > So far, I have been able to access the webUI on my VM using > > https://N.N.N.N:9090 > > I created a domain. > > But when I create a test list, I get an error - and I do not have a clue > > which logfile would have the error details - nginx or mailman... (I am > 100% > > new to nginx). > > > The nginx logs generally aren't too useful. Both Mailman core and Django > write logs. Core's log is probably in var/log/mailman.log where is > defined in mailman.cfg as var_dir. Django's log is defined in Django's > settings in the LOGGING setting. > Which file contains Django's settings? > > So now, I am stuck at: > > 1. Creating the mailing list > > 2. Getting to know whether the archiver is installed and running > > 3. Knowing is there are cron jobs to be running (Mailman2 type of > thinking!) > > > See > <http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html#configuring-cron-jobs > > > and > < > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required > > > Great to see that. I'll read and see if I make heads or tails of the writeup. > > Ultimately I need to figure out: > > 1. How the mailman queue runners are started and stopped > > mailman start > Why not systemctl mailman start?? Just wondering, as that is what I am seeing is common in Ubuntu. Does this make the components start after a reboot? > > 2. Migrate s few lists from Mailman2 to this Mailman3 > > mailman import21 > <django management> hyperkitty_import > Please show me where that is documented. I have to pull my lists from an old machine to this new one. > > 3. Mailman3 should use MySQL storage and Exim4 as the MTA (I have > > configured these bits in mailman.cfg) > > > You also need to configure MySQL in Django. See the DATABASES setting in > the Django settings. > So, when you talk about Django settings, you are referring to mailman.cfg file??? :-) I have spent all my weekend till now, trying to figure all this out. Life seems a little easier with mm2.x .... Thank you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."

2 1

Do not send email "The results of your email commands"
by erlonmz＠hotmail.com 07 Dec '18

07 Dec '18

Hello guys. Have to configure the mailman3 for not to send the e-mail " The results of your email commands" when an email is sent to "-leave@" and "-join@" ?? Sorry for my English, i from another country.

3 2

What is the difference between Mime Digest and Summary Digest in Mailman 3.2.0?
by Henrik Rasmussen 05 Dec '18

05 Dec '18

Having tried both Outlook and Gmail, there doesn't seem to be any visible difference between Mime Digest and Summary Digest. Of cause Gmail shows both index and all posts inline while Outlook shows both index and all posts as attachments, but overall the two digest types doesn't seem different from each other. Is that corrent or did I miss something? /Henrik Rasmussen

2 1

Mysql issue in django migrations
by Peter Sørensen 05 Dec '18

05 Dec '18

Hi, I have seen others having below problem: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/django/db/migrations/recorder.py", line 57, in ensure_schema raise MigrationSchemaMissing("Unable to create the django_migrations table (%s)" % exc) django.db.migrations.exceptions.MigrationSchemaMissing: Unable to create the django_migrations table ((1064, "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '(6) NOT NULL)' at line 1")) But haven’t been able to find a proper solution. It’s not a syntax problem. Can anyone help ? Best regards Peter Sørensen/University of Southern Denmark

2 2

HyperKitty/Mailman3 issues
by Florian Schulze 04 Dec '18

04 Dec '18

Hi! I tried setting up Scheduled Tasks as described in <http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required> but the "runjobs" command can't be found. I see the hyperkitty and mailman commands when using "help". The "qcluster" service is working. Using Django 2.1.1 and HyperKitty 1.2.1. Maybe related to that, I have two issues with archives. 1. Changing the archiving setting in the Web-UI to something else than public seems to have no effect. The already archived messages are still accessible in public. 2. Related to 1., how can I remove a list archive without affecting other lists? Regards, Florian Schulze

2 2

Bounce processing via rest api
by Jukka Uusisalo 23 Nov '18

23 Nov '18

Hello, I looked rest api documentation and tried find out way to get information about undelivered postings to the list members. I assum, bouncing processing have this information but is it possible get via rest api? Thank you, Jukka

1 0

Rerun emails in the queue/bad
by Kaleb White 20 Nov '18

20 Nov '18

How do I run the emails in the queue/bad again? I need to see why the failed and get them to work. Thanks.

2 1

Error: 451 Requested action aborted
by Hagen Bauer 16 Nov '18

16 Nov '18

Hi I am running mailman in docker and I start to receive this error when my postfix tries to deliver a mail said: 451 Requested action aborted: error in processing (in reply to end of DATA command)) Any idea what is going wrong and where to look for problems? Regards Hagen

2 2

View only-account
by Henrik Rasmussen 15 Nov '18

15 Nov '18

Is it possible to create a Mailman 3 account as view only-access Postorius so our help desk can check users and list settings, but not manage the settings? /Henrik Rasmussen

1 0

Changing posting address
by Johannes Winter 09 Nov '18

09 Nov '18

Dear list, I'd like to change the sending address of a mailinglist, but when I try to set it via mmclient with ./manage.py mmclient lists=client.lists l=lists[listnumber] l.settings['posting_address']='new name' I get `ValueError: value is read-only`. Is it possible to change this value, or should I use another setting for this objective? Best regards, Johannes Winter

2 1

Setup Mailman3 on shared webhost
by Keyra 08 Nov '18

08 Nov '18

Iam trying to setup mailman3 on a shared webhost (with ssh access). I could use pip3.6 install mailman --user and also mailman info But when I try to start mailman using mailman start I will first get the error message TypeError: expected str, bytes or os.PathLike object, not NoneType and when I try it a second (and third etc.) time, it throws Starting Mailman's master runner /usr/bin/python3.6: can't open file '/usr/bin/master': [Errno 2] No such file or directory I didn't get any error messages during installation, so I guess whatever mailman is looking for in /user/bin/master is available in my /home/user/ folder, but I have no idea where and how to tell mailman to look there. For more infos, this is the output of `mailman info` GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.6.5 (default, Apr 10 2018, 17:08:37) [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-16)] config file: /var/www/virtual/user/html/var/etc/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////var/www/virtual/user/html/var/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:XXXX

2 1

Hyperkitty - Non-ascii sender address
by Guiseppin Thomas 04 Nov '18

04 Nov '18

Hi, I imported some mbox archives in Hyperkitty. I have lot issues like: /\Failed adding message <5b0900ab.1c69fb81.70ab.2f87(a)mx.google.com>: ('Non-ascii sender address', <email.message.EmailMessage object at 0x7f05f1606048>)// //Non-ascii sender address from "Stéphane blipblop <stlablipblop at gmail.com>" about [HATLAB][It] Re: A débarrasser ! / It's probably because "Stéphane". Some advise to fix it ? Name: HyperKitty Version: 1.2.1 Thanks, Thomas.

3 4

Mailman 3 on RHEL 7 help
by A Almeda 03 Nov '18

03 Nov '18

Hi. I am trying to install mailman 3 on RHEL7. Docker install is not a possibility. I am trying to install it using a bundler by following https://media.readthedocs.org/pdf/mailman-bundler/stable/mailman-bundler.pdf, but after logging in as mailman, I can't do virtualenv venv. It works if I login as root, but still fails during buildout. In short, I need help. Has anyone of you guys installed mailman 3 on RHEL 7 or CEntOS 7? If so would you share me detailed instructions? Thank you in advance.

3 8

how to integrate subscription into static jekyll website
by Hagen Bauer 23 Oct '18

23 Oct '18

Hi, I am running a static website with jekyll and I want to integrate a form that executes a subription rest api call to mailman. From my first investigation this seems to be a bad idea from a security perspective (rest api needs managaer access). Is there a secure way to do this? Any other ideas? Regards Hagen

3 7

Problem with missing MySQLDatabase
by Peter Sørensen 23 Oct '18

23 Oct '18

Hi, I have looked into installing this before without success but found The Debian package Mailman3-full I installed this succesfully along with the mailman-suite. I have configured varios setting but are stuck when trying to generate aliases For mailman with: mailman aliases Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/mailman, line 11, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.1.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py, line 94, in main initialize(config_path) File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py, line 189, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py, line 160, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/factory.py, line 52, in create database = call_name(database_class) File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py, line 67, in call_name named_callable = find_name(dotted_name) File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py, line 50, in find_name __import__(package_path) ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase\t\t\t#MOD(inserted ) 02'; 'mailman.database.mysql' is not a package I can see from the message that I’m missing a module but I can’t figure out. how to get This installed. The mudule is referenced in the mailman.cfg as class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase Can anybody help ? Best regards Peter Sørensen University Of Southern Denmark

2 3

autoresponse not sent
by shadiakiki1986＠gmail.com 22 Oct '18

22 Oct '18

Hello. Newbie to mailman here. I tried out mailman3 today. My setup is - mailman3 suite using the docker-compose file from asynchronous.io - exim4 on the local machine and configuring it as smarthost using mailgun smtp server The emails to the mailing list are received by the subscribers, but the autoresponse is not being received by the sender (who is not from the subscribers list). I'm not sure if the problem is from mailman-core, settings from mailman-web, or from exim. The setting for autoresponse to posters is set to yes, with some text to be sent in the autoresponse message. The autoresponse grace period is set to "0d60.0s" (I was unable to set to "0" or "negative" due to error saying something like "could not update parameter") The "Acknowledge posts" in the "global mailman settings" is set to "yes". The "Acknowledge posts" in the list-based preferences is also "yes". Here are the exim logs after I send the email from the non-subscriber to the mailing list ``` 2018-10-19 15:13:32 1gDWSy-0004n7-VR DKIM: d=gmail.com s=20161025 c=relaxed/relaxed a=rsa-sha256 b=2048 [verification succeeded] 2018-10-19 15:13:32 1gDWSy-0004n7-VR <= shadiakiki1986(a)gmail.com H=mail-vk1-f171.google.com [209.85.221.171] P=esmtp K S=2416 id=CACk+RNtq_hu+M_ufoCJQFCtOWOD_DX0omdVJbKfva0w=n4Qhuw(a)mail.gmail.com 2018-10-19 15:13:33 1gDWSy-0004n7-VR => quotations(a)mailman3.akikieng.com R=mailman3_router T=mailman3_transport H=172.19.199.2 [172.19.199.2] C="250 Ok" 2018-10-19 15:13:33 1gDWSy-0004n7-VR Completed 2018-10-19 15:13:35 1gDWT1-0004nC-1I DKIM: d=gmail.com s=20161025 c=relaxed/relaxed a=rsa-sha256 b=2048 [verification failed - signature did not verify (headers probably modified in transit)] 2018-10-19 15:13:35 1gDWT1-0004nC-1I <= quotations-bounces(a)mailman3.akikieng.com H=ip-172-19-199-2.us-west-2.compute.internal [172.19.199.2] P=esmtp S=3847 id=CACk+RNtq_hu+M_ufoCJQFCtOWOD_DX0omdVJbKfva0w=n4Qhuw(a)mail.gmail.com 2018-10-19 15:13:35 1gDWT1-0004nC-1I => shadi(a)akikieng.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost H=smtp.mailgun.org [35.161.201.187] X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256 CV=yes DN="C=US,ST=California,L=San Francisco,O=MAILGUN TECHNOLOGIES\, INC,OU=MAILGUN TECHNOLOGIES\, INC,CN=*.mailgun.org" A=plain C="250 Great success" 2018-10-19 15:13:35 1gDWT1-0004nC-1I Completed ``` 1. Is the signature verification failure due to mailman-core trying to send the autoresponse outgoing message? At first, I thought that the DKIM signature verification caused Exim to be dropping the autoresponse. So I set `DISABLE_DKIM_VERIFY=true` in exim, but still no autoresponse. Here are the exim logs after the sender sends the email ``` ^[[A2018-10-19 14:58:40 1gDWEa-0004Ww-QF <= shadiakiki1986(a)gmail.com H=mail-vs1-f53.google.com [209.85.217.53] P=esmtp K S=2410 id=CACk+RNvnfS+e+Uh-OSKjPB8oe+b1=efAJ6BSrc51jz_h9sVoFQ(a)mail.gmail.com 2018-10-19 14:58:40 1gDWEa-0004Ww-QF => quotations(a)mailman3.akikieng.com R=mailman3_router T=mailman3_transport H=172.19.199.2 [172.19.199.2] C="250 Ok" 2018-10-19 14:58:40 1gDWEa-0004Ww-QF Completed 2018-10-19 14:58:42 1gDWEc-0004Wz-R1 <= quotations-bounces(a)mailman3.akikieng.com H=ip-172-19-199-2.us-west-2.compute.internal [172.19.199.2] P=esmtp S=3841 id=CACk+RNvnfS+e+Uh-OSKjPB8oe+b1=efAJ6BSrc51jz_h9sVoFQ(a)mail.gmail.com 2018-10-19 14:58:42 1gDWEc-0004Wz-R1 => shadi(a)akikieng.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost H=smtp.mailgun.org [54.69.10.167] X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256 CV=yes DN="C=US,ST=California,L=San Francisco,O=MAILGUN TECHNOLOGIES\, INC,OU=MAILGUN TECHNOLOGIES\, INC,CN=*.mailgun.org" A=plain C="250 Great success" 2018-10-19 14:58:42 1gDWEc-0004Wz-R1 Completed ``` 2. is my understanding correct in reading these logs that there is nothing here about an autoresponse?

3 2

MM3 vs. Sympa
by Tom Browder 21 Oct '18

21 Oct '18

I still haven’t gotten around to getting a new MM3 service up and running, and now I’m looking at Sympa. I’ve seen a few comparisons of the two systems on the net, but the ones I’ve seen are for announcement lists only. I did see one university that did a study of list managers to replace Listproc and chose Sympa. I must admit my short-lived MM2 experience (used for my social sites for my high school and college classmates) seven years ago wasn’t the best was for two reasons: (1) no duplication of list names even for different domains and (2) it’s written in Python (instead of Perl). But, thanks to much help from Mark, I did get it runnng. I think it would be running today but it failed after about a year when Gmail (whose sntp server I was using) stopped allowing that, and I just didn’t know enough to get around the situation and had too much else to do. I waited expectantly for MM3 to come out and was ready to try again, but the separation of a formerly-integrated system into several systems was a bit daunting. Now I’m considering using Sympa: it’s coded in Perl, it’s monolithic, and it can support identical list names for different domains, so I am leaning in that direction. Before I go, I would appreciate anyone giving me a good reason to stay with MM (besides excellent support and a welcoming community—one which is a member of an unfortunately small group of such communities). Thanks so much. Best regards, -Tom

4 5

Difficulties setting up MM3 with Postfix MTA in Docker Environment: Invalid EHLO domain name & Authentification as lists.local
by Niklas Frühauf 21 Oct '18

21 Oct '18

Hi everyone, I managed to setup mailman using the maxking/mailman-* docker containers, connected to a postfix/dovecot mailserver and a mysql database. The mail domain is @mail.local, mailman is reachable at lists.local. I can see the mailman UI fine, its connection to the database is working as well, the only things that’s not working is the initial login: When I try to login with the correct credentials of the superuser I added, I get An error occurred while processing your request. To me it seems like mailman is trying to authenticate as “lists.local” or “mail.local” or “localhost” to postfix (which of course isn’t working), then issues a EHLO/HELO to postfix which is not a FQDN. So I guess the latter issue could be resolved by providing a FQDN by mailman. These are the logfiles from the period: mail | Oct 21 11:15:07 mail postfix/postscreen[1862]: CONNECT from [172.18.18.8]:49288 to [172.18.18.254]:25 ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 fd=12 ACCEPT from IP=172.18.19.8:49252 (IP=0.0.0.0:389) ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=0 BIND dn="cn=admin,dc=..." method=128 ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=0 BIND dn="cn=admin,dc=..." mech=SIMPLE ssf=0 ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=1 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=1 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=1 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=2 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=2 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=2 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=3 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@lists.local)(mailalias=*@lists.local))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=3 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=3 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=4 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=mail.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=4 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=4 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=5 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=mail.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=5 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=5 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=6 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@mail.local)(mailalias=*@mail.local))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=6 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=6 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=7 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=7 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=7 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=8 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=8 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=8 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=9 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@lists.local)(mailalias=*@lists.local))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=9 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=9 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= mail | Oct 21 11:15:13 mail postfix/postscreen[1862]: PASS OLD [172.18.18.8]:49288 mail | Oct 21 11:15:13 mail postfix/smtpd[1873]: connect from srv-docker_mailman-web_1.srv-docker_frontend[172.18.18.8] mail | Oct 21 11:15:17 mail postfix/postscreen[1862]: warning: dnsblog reply timeout 10s for list.dnswl.org mail | Oct 21 11:15:27 mail postfix/dnsblog[1866]: warning: dnsblog_query: lookup error for DNS query 8.18.18.172.list.dnswl.org: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=8.18.18.172.list.dnswl.org type=A: Host not found, try again ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=10 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=10 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=10 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=11 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=11 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=11 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=12 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@lists.local)(mailalias=*@lists.local))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=12 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=12 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=13 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=localhost)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=13 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=13 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=14 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=localhost)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=14 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=14 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=15 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@localhost)(mailalias=*@localhost))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=15 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=15 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=16 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=16 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=16 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=17 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=17 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=17 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=18 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@lists.local)(mailalias=*@lists.local))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=18 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=18 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= mail | Oct 21 11:15:43 mail policyd-spf[1886]: prepend Received-SPF: Temperror (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=172.18.18.8; helo=c98c668820fd; envelope-from=postorius(a)lists.local; receiver=<UNKNOWN> mail | Oct 21 11:15:43 mail postfix/smtpd[1873]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from srv-docker_mailman-web_1.srv-docker_frontend[172.18.18.8]: 504 5.5.2 <c98c668820fd>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; from=<postorius(a)lists.local> to=<niklas.fruehauf(a)mail.local> proto=ESMTP helo=<c98c668820fd> mail | Oct 21 11:15:43 mail postfix/postscreen[1862]: CONNECT from [172.18.18.8]:49304 to [172.18.18.254]:25 mail | Oct 21 11:15:43 mail postfix/postscreen[1862]: PASS OLD [172.18.18.8]:49304 mail | Oct 21 11:15:43 mail postfix/smtpd[1903]: connect from srv-docker_mailman-web_1.srv-docker_frontend[172.18.18.8] proxy_1 | 172.18.18.1 - - [21/Oct/2018:11:16:13 +0000] "POST /accounts/login/ HTTP/1.1" 500 1102 "https://lists.local/accounts/login/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_14_0) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/69.0.3497.100 Safari/537.36" "-"

3 2

footer message
by Abhijith PA 19 Oct '18

19 Oct '18

Hello. Is there any way to enable footer for some lists at the same time disable for lists. I maintain an mailman3 instance and some of the lists in it need the footer message well some not. Regards, Abhijith.

3 5

dkim failing
by Abhijith PA 16 Oct '18

16 Oct '18

Hello. I am seeing dkim fail in mail that people send to lists /dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed"/ but it is not happening when the list solely sending mail to subscribers (like digest, or subscribe/unsubscribe messages etc). I recently added a new domain to the mailman3. After this I started noticing this issue. Any help ?

2 1

dkim failing
by Abhijith PA 16 Oct '18

16 Oct '18

Hello. I am seeing dkim fail in mail that people send to lists /dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed"/ but it is not happening when the list solely sending mail to subscribers (like digest, or subscribe/unsubscribe messages etc). I recently added a new domain to the mailman3. After this I started noticing this issue. Any help ? Thanks Abhijith PA

2 1

Change digest frequency and default threshold
by Henrik Rasmussen 12 Oct '18

12 Oct '18

When creating a new list in Mailman 3, the Digest Size Threshold is set to 30KB, which is not much in my opnion. 1) How do I set another default for Digest Size Threshold for new lists. 2) How do I change the default for existing lists When Digest Size Threshold is not reached, mails seems to be sent according to digest_volume_frequency': which is set to 'monthly'. The web interface doesn't seem to have a setting for this. How do I change this setting, both on a single list and the default for new lists? Henrik Rasmussen

2 9

Can't remove footer(s)
by Henrik Rasmussen 11 Oct '18

11 Oct '18

I have a problem removing the footer(s) from a list imported from MM2.1. I have been testing by entering my message in Hyperkitty (the list forum). I an aware about the double footer issue[1], and I am aware that footers are cached, but I have removed the footer files according to [2], run Mailman shell according to [3], restarted the Mailman (Mailman core, Mailan web, Postgres database and postfix). Did I miss something in order to remove the footers? [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/407 [2] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… [3] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… I'm running Docker-Mailman (Mailman version 3.2.0a1). -- Henrik Rasmussen

2 5

Archiving error
by Enrique Terrazas 05 Oct '18

05 Oct '18

Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me configure hyperkitty correctly. I've got mailman3 installed and working. I created a test list and can send/receive, moderate message. However, archiving does not seem to be working. Below is a copy of my (sanitized) hyperkitty.cfg file and settings.py file(edited) along with the errors being logged to mailman.log hyperkitty.cfg ----- # Mailman-Hyperkitty Archiver plugin [general] base_url: http://localhost:8002/ api_key: ----- settings.py # Mailman API credentials MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('my.host.name', 'myIPaddress', '127.0.0.1', '::1') ------ This is the error being sent to maillog.log ------ Oct 05 01:54:59 2018 (15127) Exception in "hyperkitty" archiver Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 171, in _new_ conn (self._dns_host, self.port), self.timeout, **extra_kw) File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/util/connection.py", line 79, in c reate_connection raise err File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/util/connection.py", line 69, in c reate_connection sock.connect(sa) ConnectionRefusedError: [Errno 111] Connection refused During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 600, in urlopen chunked=chunked) File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 354, in _make_request conn.request(method, url, **httplib_request_kw) File "/opt/rh/rh-python36/root/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1239, in request self._send_request(method, url, body, headers, encode_chunked) File "/opt/rh/rh-python36/root/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1285, in _send_request self.endheaders(body, encode_chunked=encode_chunked) File "/opt/rh/rh-python36/root/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1234, in endheaders self._send_output(message_body, encode_chunked=encode_chunked) File "/opt/rh/rh-python36/root/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1026, in _send_output self.send(msg) File "/opt/rh/rh-python36/root/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 964, in send self.connect() File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 196, in connect conn = self._new_conn() File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 180, in _new_conn self, "Failed to establish a new connection: %s" % e) urllib3.exceptions.NewConnectionError: <urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7f0ba1c22048>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 111] Connection refused During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: ------ Thanks in advance, Enrique J. Terrazas

3 5

Hyperkitty 1.1.1 to HyperKitty 1.2.1
by Thomas G 05 Oct '18

05 Oct '18

Hi, I would like to migrate my current Mailman3.1/Hyperkitty data to a fresh install in Mailman3.2. I didn't found how migrate the archives. From : HyperKitty - Version: 1.1.1 - Python2.7 To : HyperKitty - Version: 1.2.1 - Python3.5 I exported a mbox from hyperkitty (web interface) and tried to re-import it, without result. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" xxxx @xxxxxx :/opt/mailman# python3.5 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l listedetests(a)hatlab.fr /home/admin/listedetests(a)hatlab.fr.mbox.gz Importing from mbox file /home/admin/listedetests(a)hatlab.fr.mbox.gz to listedetests(a)hatlab.fr Computing thread structure Synchronizing properties with Mailman Warming up cache The full-text search index is not updated for this list. It will not be updated by the 'minutely' incremental update job. To update the index for this list, run the 'manage.py update_index_one_list listedetests(a)hatlab.fr' command. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" The database stay empty (and web interface): """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" mailmandbnameprod=# select * from hyperkitty_email; id | message_id | message_id_hash | subject | content | date | timezone | in_reply_to | archived_date | thread_depth | thread_order | mailinglist_id | parent_id | sender_id | thread_id | sender_name ----+------------+-----------------+---------+---------+------+----------+-------------+---------------+--------------+--------------+----------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+------------- (0 rows) """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Any idea to do this importation ? Thanks !

3 7

Proper permissions for mailman installation under home directory, with layout: local
by Eric Abrahamsen 03 Oct '18

03 Oct '18

I recently upgraded my server from Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04, and have hit some snags in the process. I've had my mailman3 installation under my home directory, running as my own user, without too many problems. var_dir was set to something in my home directory. Recently, while tracking down some weird behavior, I realized that with this sort of setup I'm supposed to use "layout: local", and that previously I'd had a sort of weird half-way installation where some things were kept in my /home/<me>/sites/mailman directory, and other bits (pids and whatnot) were scattered around the filesystem. Now that I'm using "layout: local", mailman really is trying to keep everything under that main directory, and now everything's breaking. The hyperkitty search indexer is saying it has no permissions to write into that directory, postfix won't deliver mail, saying the mailbox is unavailable, and in the web UI postorius shows no configured list domains (though hyperkitty still displays the archives correctly). So obviously I've got quite a big problem with permissions, but I don't know how to resolve it. My webserver is nginx, running as www-data. I'm starting mailman in a systemd script, with User and Group set to my user -- though maybe that should be set to root? I guess postfix runs as root, I'm not sure, but obviously it's not able to read the files in var/data/*, which appear all correct to me. What's the recommended solution here? I'd still like to keep this whole directory under my home directory, if possible... Thanks, Eric

1 0

About the link destination of the logo image of the homepage
by Ooyama Yosiyuki 01 Oct '18

01 Oct '18

At next page: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ Despite the fact that "Mailman" is written in the logo on the upper left of the screen, However if I click the logo image on the upper left of the screen,then it is to move to https://www.gnu.org/software/ I think it is strange. In the Wikipedia English version, the following address is introduced as mailman's website. www.gnu.org/software/mailman/

3 2

Hyperkitty splitting threads?
by Marvin Gülker 30 Sep '18

30 Sep '18

Hi, I'm experiencing a problem with regard to how Hyperkitty decides how to group messages into a thread. It appearently randomly splits a thread and creates a new one from the replies, even though the replies have the proper In-Reply-To: header set. As of now, the front page for our mailing list[1] illustrates the issue nicely: the "TSC Boost Build Issues" topic has been split over three threads for no appearent reason, and the "Providing an APT repository" one in two. Sometimes replies are collected into the proper thread, though (see the latter thread). Exact links follow as the front page can change later on: * The "Boost Build Issues" topic (these should all be in one thread page): * https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… * https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… * https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… * The "APT repository" topic (these should all be in one thread page as well): * https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… * https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… This is Mailman 3.2.0 with Hyperkitty 1.2.0. We will shortly upgrade Hyperkitty to the current version, but since I didn't find something related in the release notes for newer versions, I thought I'd ask here if the problem is known. Also, is there a way to rebuild the thread structure so that the existing errorneous splits can be corrected? Marvin [1]: https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F

2 2

Docker-mailman: Performance issue
by Henrik Rasmussen 28 Sep '18

28 Sep '18

I am using Docker-mailman (currently Mailman version 3.2.0a1). I have a list with 38513 subscribers and when I operate on a very large number of them (for example click Unsubscribe all), the web interface times out. The same happens if I use the REST API, one member at the time, but run from a python script i've made). The Docker containers for both Mailman core (mostly) and mailman web (sometimes) are using 100% CPU (quart of the server's amount of CPUs). By doubleing the CPU shares that the two docker containers can use (using RHEL Cockpit) from 1024 to 2048 for each, Mailman-core had a max usage of 190% and Mailman-web about 101%. Still, mass unsubscribing the members by clicking Unsubscribe all made theinterface time out. Using the REST API succeeded unsubscribing all, but still made the Mailman web interface inaccessible. How can I make Docker-mailman perform better, to avoid these timeouts. -- Henrik Rasmussen University of Copenhagen

2 2

Where is the site to translate HyperKitty?
by Ooyama Yosiyuki 27 Sep '18

27 Sep '18

Where can I translate HyperKitty(GNU Mailman v3)? please tell me.

3 3

Dump/restore users (with passwords) via API
by Dmitry Makovey 26 Sep '18

26 Sep '18

We are trying to dump/restore users using API calls and it seems that API allows us to dump password hashes (a good thing), but then API does not allow to insert users back using saved password hashes - only cleartext passwords. Aside from create_user is there any other way to create users/change their password? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

4 9

List description as sender
by Henrik Rasmussen 26 Sep '18

26 Sep '18

When receiving a mail from Mailman 3, the From: User name is the description of the list, like From: Long desription of the list for all members of certain project <project(a)lists.example.com>. Starting to get old, I recall something about a discussion we once had on http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/, but I don't recall the reason for this and I can't find the discussion, so it might be something I dreamed. What was the reason for implementing this? And could it be a selectable choise in Mailman 3?

2 7

Disable Archive for a mailing list
by Hagen Bauer 24 Sep '18

24 Sep '18

Hi to all, is there a way to totally disable the archive of a mailing list? I would like to setup mailman as a "mailforwarder" without the ability to store the mails Regards Hagen

2 1

Text encoding problem, preapproved header
by Thor Atle Rustad 20 Sep '18

20 Sep '18

Mailman 3.2. I send a message to the list with some national characters (æøå ÆØÅ), and everything shows up fine. Then I send the same message using pseudo-header approved: with the list password. This messes up the character encoding, so that instead I get (=C3=A6=C3=B8=C3=A5 =C3= =86=C3=98=C3=85) I experience the problem when I send or receive with Gmail web client, however, when using the Claws-mail (an ordinary mail client) to pick up from my gmail account, the contents is shown correctly. Any suggestions?

3 3

Rejection based on total message size including attachments
by leith＠khimaira.com 20 Sep '18

20 Sep '18

As a web hosting provider I have searched and searched for a way to limit the total size of messages posted to all lists. We have moderators who just can't get it through their heads to limit the size of attachments. One list today distributed a 6 mb pdf to over 700 recipients. I have found information on creating a custom handler and some old and brief logic on limiting max_message_size from Mr. Sapiro. Would anyone who has developed a custom handler to reject messages based on total size, mind sharing the full file? If so, could you also state where the handler was positioned in the chain of handlers. Thank you for your time.

2 2

Set domain inactive / archive import from other domain.
by Johannes Winter 19 Sep '18

19 Sep '18

Dear list, we've migrated a list from another domain and would like to keep the archives. Hyperkitty doesn't recognize the emails in the mbox archive during import due to the other domain name. As a workaround we thought of creating a placeholder list with the original and than import the mbox. But actually I don't like to have dysfunctional lists in the domain list. Is it possible to set domains invisible? Or is there a switch to import a list from another domain? Best regards, Johannes Winter

2 3

Disable "confirmation emails"
by Hagen Bauer 19 Sep '18

19 Sep '18

Hi to all, even after a lot of google search I could not find a way to disable the Confirmation Mails like .... The results of your email command are provided below. - Original message details: ....... Is there a way to do this? I have users who would be irritated and I dont want them to recieve this Regards Hagen

3 3

Counter-intuitive header filter processing
by Jonas Meurer 18 Sep '18

18 Sep '18

Hello, it seems like the way mailman3 processes header filters is a bit counter-intuitive. With a header filter (HeaderMatch) like the following: header => from pattern => .*(a)freesources.org chain => accept I expect mails from *(a)freesources.org to be accepted regardless of the default message acceptance settings. Apparently, that's not the case. If the default message acceptance setting for members is set to "reject", then mails from *(a)freesources.org get rejected even though the header filter says "accept". In other words, the default message acceptance action seems to overrule any header filters. Is this expected behaviour? Kind regards jonas

2 3

New platform administrators
by Hellen Cubero 18 Sep '18

18 Sep '18

Hello! I would like to know how to add a new site administrator to the mailman 3.2 platform. Can you help me please?

3 2

Using as a forum
by tokyoprogressive＠mailbox.org 18 Sep '18

18 Sep '18

Our group of 30 plus people have the perennial problem in MM II of not checking previous messages before replying. A second problem is starting a new topic rather than responding to a message in the same topic, which makes searching even harder. I previously suggested a forum or something like Stack or Flock. People had no interest in a Word Press forum yet moan about the inefficiency of a list, also it is something new and involves leaving email. Stack and Flock make it hard to require all to be a member of all topics in their free versions. Then it occurred to me, the threaded view in Mailman III looks good and could help us nudge people back on topic. Am I being too optimistic. It is a closed group only open to people we approve. I would like to migrate to MM III but lack the technical skills to fo this? Anyone who could do this for a fee? We probably do not need to bring in the old topics. (I guess there us no way like a forum to limit the topics but at least we could keep things on track). Thanks Paul Arenson Japan Association for Language Teaching Sent from my iPhone

5 12

How to connect mailman into existing postfix server
by Hagen Bauer 16 Sep '18

16 Sep '18

Hi to all, I am trying to setup mailman3 with the Docker Image. Everythings works relative nicely but I am blocked by the Postfix integration part. I have a small postfix server that is delivering mails to known domains and an alias map. The standard use case assumes that the external postfix is only routing mails to the mailman lmtp. If I do this all my old users are recected. I am looking for an example(s) to integrate mailman into a Postfix configuration as an additional target for postfix. Any hints Regards Hagen

2 1

Stability issues
by schultmc＠cinlug.org 14 Sep '18

14 Sep '18

We're currently piloting Mailman3 to replace a failing Ecartis installation. We've had to push back our go live date several times due to stability issues with our Mailman 3 installation. We currently have Mailman core 3.2.0 running on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.5 with 2 vCPUs, 8GB RAM and 25GB swap space. Occasionally, we see mailman become unresponsive both via the REST API and the web UI. We haven't seen anything glaring in the logs but would be happy to check further. I know Mailman 3 powers many large lists and would appreciate any performance, stability and tuning information that can be provided.

3 2

Memory usage
by Adi Kriegisch 13 Sep '18

13 Sep '18

Dear all, I've been using mailman2 for quite some time and I am considering upgrading to mailman3. In a test setup I noticed that mailman3 with just a basic setup (Debian with mailman3 package and sqlite as backend using exim4) uses over 700MB RAM (RSS): | USER VSZ RSS COMMAND | list 73072 54568 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/master | list 73100 54500 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=archive:0:1 | list 73100 54572 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=bounces:0:1 | list 73100 54560 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=command:0:1 | list 73100 54600 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=in:0:1 | list 146832 54700 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=lmtp:0:1 | list 73100 54808 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=nntp:0:1 | list 73100 54652 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=out:0:1 | list 73100 54504 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=pipeline:0:1 | list 150516 58228 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=rest:0:1 | list 73100 54508 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=retry:0:1 | list 73100 54500 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=virgin:0:1 | list 73100 54608 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=digest:0:1 This is with only one test list configured that just has one member. Compared to a mailman2 setup with many lists with up to 300 members that only uses around 70MB RAM: | USER VSZ RSS COMMAND | list 63724 1396 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -q start | list 62896 10660 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s | list 61156 1792 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s | list 58148 1808 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s | list 73116 23316 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s | list 55464 1672 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s | list 65840 11868 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s | list 62036 10840 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s | list 58716 5712 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s This is without hyperkitty or a management interface, just mailman3 core that uses 10 times as much ram as mailman2. Did I do something wrong here? Is there probably a bug in my python environment? Are there any config options that I should set to avoid this huge memory footprint? I found one thread[1] on this mailing list where a user asked a question similar to mine with comparable numbers. best regards, Adi Kriegisch [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…

2 1

Subscription notification sent from the site admins work-mail.
by Henrik Rasmussen 13 Sep '18

13 Sep '18

One of my list administrators told me that all seven list administrators on a list received a "None <foo(a)example.com> has been successfully subscribed to [LIST NAME].", when someone subscribed to their list, however the sender of the mail (From:) was my own work mail address. I am not associated with the list other that I am site admin. The log /opt/mailman/web/logs/smtp.log seems to confirm that Mailman have sendt the mail on behalf of me. Sep 13 09:07:24 2018 (34) <153682964402.36.12950433926619808467@mailman-core> smtp to [LISTNAME](a)lists.example.com for 7 recips, completed in 0.12819194793701172 seconds Sep 13 09:07:24 2018 (34) <153682964402.36.12950433926619808467@mailman-core> post to [LISTNAME](a)lists.example.com from me(a)example.com, 525 bytes How can I, the site admin, be the sender og the mail? Note: Mailman 3 have been running with users half a year, but last week the particular list was imported from Mailman 2 using import21.

2 2

MM3 management tools (for those who need them)
by Dmitry Makovey 13 Sep '18

13 Sep '18

Hi, I wanted to share our current development of MM3-related tools that we currently employ on a daily basis. forks, ideas, pointers and issue reports are welcome: https://gitlab.med.stanford.edu/irt-public/mailman-tools Note that it's a "work in progress" bunch of scripts that work, but YMMV. ...so no refunds ;) -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

1 0

LookupError: unknown encoding: _iso-2022-jp$esc
by Thor Atle Rustad 07 Sep '18

07 Sep '18

This happens when I open a page of Held Messages containing an offending message. I get Server Error (500) in Postorius. Here is the mailman.log: Sep 07 15:25:39 2018 (32) REST request handler error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 214, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/falcon/api.py", line 244, in __call__ responder(req, resp, **params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 160, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in _make_collection for resource in collection] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in <listcomp> for resource in collection] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 150, in _resource_as_dict resource = self._make_resource(request.id) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 77, in _make_resource resource['msg'] = msg.as_string() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/email/message.py", line 54, in as_string value = email.message.Message.as_string(self) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 158, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 243, in _handle_text msg.set_payload(payload, charset) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 315, in set_payload payload = payload.encode(charset.output_charset) LookupError: unknown encoding: _iso-2022-jp$esc

2 1

confusing contents of database (data corruption?)
by Dmitry Makovey 07 Sep '18

07 Sep '18

I'm troubleshooting slowness and issues in our mailman (container-based) setup. (See also "ORM exceptions" thread) And I've come across really odd contents of DB: mailmandb=# select * from address, (select email, count(email) as instances from address group by email) as emails where emails.instances>1 and emails.email=address.email ; -[ RECORD 1 ]--+---------------------------------------------- id | 1001 email | some_person(a)some.org _original | Some_Person(a)some.org display_name | Some Person verified_on | registered_on | 2018-07-02 03:23:18.761679 user_id | 22543 preferences_id | 146541 email | some_person(a)some.org instances | 2 -[ RECORD 2 ]--+---------------------------------------------- id | 1002 email | some_person(a)some.org _original | display_name | verified_on | registered_on | 2018-07-02 03:23:19.036667 user_id | preferences_id | 146543 email | some_person(a)some.org instances | 2 mailmandb=# select * from member where address_id in (1002,1001); -[ RECORD 1 ]-----+------------------------------------- id | 73682 _member_id | f4cdxxxx-5c64-xxxx-9ac8-1f5xxxxa0f1c role | 4 list_id | mylist.lists.here.stanford.edu moderation_action | address_id | 1002 preferences_id | 146544 user_id | so: 1. address for the same email gets created twice 2. membership references "empty" address 3. membership does not reference proper user 4. preferences_id in all 3 records are different is there a documentation on the DB contents someplace? I feel like our mailman instance slowness is related to DB content but cleaning up that content seems to be risky at best. -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

1 0

message file gone, but exists in database?
by Thor Atle Rustad 06 Sep '18

06 Sep '18

I'm investigating some problems, and in the process I want to delete some messages. First, listing all messages: >>> messages = list(message_store.messages) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/messagestore.py", line 117, in messages yield self._get_message(row) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/messagestore.py", line 95, in _get_message with open(path, 'rb') as fp: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/var/messages/5X/7W/5X7WMWNORTGVNB6KVWTHHOI2VF2BEQ7K' Since this message should not exist in database, I try to delete it: >>> message_store.delete_message('5X7WMWNORTGVNB6KVWTHHOI2VF2BEQ7K') >>> commit() >>> messages = list(message_store.messages) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/messagestore.py", line 117, in messages yield self._get_message(row) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/messagestore.py", line 95, in _get_message with open(path, 'rb') as fp: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/var/messages/5X/7W/5X7WMWNORTGVNB6KVWTHHOI2VF2BEQ7K' However, it continues to exist in mailman's mind I also cannot delete messages that actually exist. For instance, I find a message in Postorius that I want to delete. I look at the headers and then run >>> message_store.delete_message('6XFISRRFY74NJEE4FTRNWOA2KGKDBZ3T') >>> commit() After that, the message continues to live, both in postorius and as a file: bash-4.3# ls 6XFISRRFY74NJEE4FTRNWOA2KGKDBZ3T What is wrong?

1 0

ORM exceptions
by Dmitry Makovey 06 Sep '18

06 Sep '18

I'm tracing slowness of mailman in our infrastructure, and came across ORM exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2837, in one ret = self.one_or_none() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2816, in one_or_none "Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()") sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 214, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/falcon/api.py", line 244, in __call__ responder(req, resp, **params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/members.py", line 365, in on_post return self._find(request, response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/members.py", line 389, in _find okay(response, etag(resource._make_collection(request))) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in _make_collection for resource in collection] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in <listcomp> for resource in collection] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/members.py", line 72, in _resource_as_dict user = member.user File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/member.py", line 128, in user else getUtility(IUserManager).get_user(self._address.email)) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/usermanager.py", line 88, in get_user return addresses.one().user File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2840, in one "Multiple rows were found for one()") sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one() is this a known thing and what's the best path for fixing it? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

1 1

log rotation
by Dmitry Makovey 06 Sep '18

06 Sep '18

I've been looking for a while and cannot find any information regarding log rotation for Mailman3. We're running containerized deployment which complicates the matter slightly, but having "some" approach for log rotation would be helpful. So before I dig into the code looking for SIGUSR1 or SIGHUP handlers can someone point me to a proper documentation for log management with MM3 ? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

3 3

ARC
by David Krantz 30 Aug '18

30 Aug '18

Hi, I just found out that gmail uses ARC (sometimes, at least). Is there support for that in Mailman 3? Without having had the time (yet) to read about in depth it it seems as if ARC is intended to solve at least some of the problems that mail lists have with DKIM. Probably causes others... It might be that no support really is needed in mailman so that just milters in sendmail, postfix etc. might do the trick. regards // David

2 1

Migration advice
by Quanah Gibson-Mount 29 Aug '18

29 Aug '18

Hi, I'm looking at migrating from an old server running mailman 2.1.15 (Debian wheezy) to a new Ubuntu 18.04 LTS system. I'd like to upgrade to mailman3 as a part of this migration. I was reading the migration docs (<http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html>), which seem to require both mailman2 and mailman3 be installed concurrently on the same system. Is that correct, or can I rsync the mailman2 list information onto the new server without mailman2 itself being present, and import from there? Thanks! Regards, Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

2 1

Implicit destination
by David Krantz 28 Aug '18

28 Aug '18

Hi, I have a spam-problem like anyone else. Most of the spam my listserver receives has some kind of impilict destination so the implicit rule catches most of the spam that way. This is fine. What is not so fine, however, is that this results in a moderation message to the sender. I'd like to stop that so that the spammer has no confirmation that the mail was received. I can probably stop this in postfix before the mail reaches mailman3, but I'd prefer changing the behaviour of the rule. Is there any setting that could be used or should I just modify the rule? Cheers. // David

4 5

Whitelist non subscriber
by Mark Ziranski 27 Aug '18

27 Aug '18

Hello, I want to whitelist an email address on all lists to bypass moderation. The email address is not a subscriber. On google I found accept_these_nonmembers but I do not know how to use it. Please show me some examples how to whitelist someone(a)example.org. Thanks in advance. M.Z.

4 6

Configuration Question
by Ryan McClung 24 Aug '18

24 Aug '18

Greetings, Is there a simple way to force the mailman3 install to run off of a specified config/specified db without having to enter it manually each time? I just want any administrator to be able to enter mailman without wrecking the config/db. -- Ryan McClung Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> W. www.afilias.info T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186

2 3

changing adverstised status
by Alexander Klotz 24 Aug '18

24 Aug '18

Hi there, we are trying to set a once public list to private but have trouble doing so. In Postorius this doesn't seem to work - you can change "show list on index page" via the settings, but the value isn't saved. Is there a way to set advertised = False to a specific list via the shell? Thanks & Regards, Alex (Kulturserver editorial staff)

6 5

Docker release cycle maxking/mailman-core
by Johannes Winter 24 Aug '18

24 Aug '18

Hi guys, I'd like to test out some bugfixes in the master branch, namely the merge request related to: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… But I use the maxking docker images of which the 'rolling' and 'latest' tags are apparently not really used. Might it be possible to push these a litte bit more frequently? Thank you and best regards, Johannes Winter

2 1

Avoiding welcome message when subscribing using REST API
by Henrik Rasmussen 21 Aug '18

21 Aug '18

In Mailman 2 the site admin could add a member to a list using the -wn parameter of add_members to avoid sending a welcome message. On the host (outside the docker container) I've made an updater using the REST API to keep certain lists updated with imported addresses from one of our other systems, though respecting opt ins and opt outs. Similar to Mailman 2 I would like to avoid the welcome message to those automatic updated members, even the list is configred to send welcome message to those opting in by will, and I also like to avoid forcing the list owner/moderator to approve all new members automatically updated even the list is set for moderation of new members opting in by will. What is the payload for "no welcome message"? def add_new_members(listname_fqdn, members): [SNIP] for member in newmembers: payload['list_id'] = listname_fqdn.replace('@', '.') payload['subscriber'] = member payload['pre_verified'] = True payload['pre_confirmed'] = True payload['pre_approved'] = True response = mmapipost('members', payload) def mmapipost(apicommand,payload): response = requests.post('http://172.19.199.2:8001/%s/%s' % (restapiversion, apicommand), data=payload, auth=('restadmin', 'restpass'))

2 2

Moving from old-school install to docker
by David Krantz 19 Aug '18

19 Aug '18

Hi, Is there any documented procedure moving from a working install of mailman3 and postorius to a docker-based version? The reason would be to get a setup that is somewhat easier to maintain and upgrade. That said much of the work is to keep a mta, web server, spamfilter, grey list solution, dkim signing etc. running and up to date. I suspect that there is no pre-made docker images for that? cheers // David

1 0

receiving digest
by Abhijith PA 14 Aug '18

14 Aug '18

Hello. How a subscriber can receive the digest of a list ( assuming the list has enabled digests. Is there something to do for a subscriber in web interface to receive. Abhijith

2 1

Re: issue with Hyperkitty
by Mark Sapiro 08 Aug '18

08 Aug '18

On 08/07/2018 07:14 AM, Ali Alnubani wrote: > > I'm seeing the following trace when I go to http://example.com/hyperkitty/list/dev@example.com/2018/5/: This was fixed by downgrading Django to 2.0.8. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/192> for more detail. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 0

proper update procedure for MM3 docker containers
by Fabian A. Santiago 07 Aug '18

07 Aug '18

Hello, Can someone remind me of the proper / best way to update my docker containers for MM3 / postorius based on maxking's images? Thanks. and this for both the stable and rolling releases. -- Fabian S. OpenPGP: 0x643082042DC83E6D94B86C405E3DAA18A1C22D8F (new key) *** 0x3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC (to be retired, still valid)

2 2

issue with Hyperkitty
by Ali Alnubani 07 Aug '18

07 Aug '18

Hi, I'm migrating from mailman 2.1.15, I did the following: * Installed packages * Created database * ./manage.py migrate * mailman create dev(a)example.com<mailto:dev@example.com> * ./manage.py hyperkitty_import -l dev(a)example.com /usr/local/mailman2/archives/private/dev.mbox/dev.mbox (the archive includes 69 emails). * ./manage.py update_index_one_list dev(a)example.com I'm seeing the following trace when I go to http://example.com/hyperkitty/list/dev@example.com/2018/5/: ``` ERROR 2018-08-07 13:54:23,897 19997 django.request Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/dev(a)example.com/2018/5/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 126, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 124, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 134, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 94, in archives return _thread_list(request, mlist, threads, extra_context=extra_context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 123, in _thread_list return render(request, template_name, context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/shortcuts.py", line 36, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 62, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/library.py", line 234, in render return t.render(new_context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 173, in render return self._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 209, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 309, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/library.py", line 192, in render output = self.func(*resolved_args, **resolved_kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django_mailman3-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/django_mailman3/templatetags/pagination.py", line 36, in add_to_query_string return conditional_escape(qs.urlencode()) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/http/request.py", line 524, in urlencode for v in list_ File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/http/request.py", line 524, in <genexpr> for v in list_ AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'encode' ERROR 2018-08-07 13:54:23,897 19997 django.request Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/dev(a)example.com/2018/5/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 126, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 124, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 134, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 94, in archives return _thread_list(request, mlist, threads, extra_context=extra_context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 123, in _thread_list return render(request, template_name, context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/shortcuts.py", line 36, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 62, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/library.py", line 234, in render return t.render(new_context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 173, in render return self._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 209, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 309, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/library.py", line 192, in render output = self.func(*resolved_args, **resolved_kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django_mailman3-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/django_mailman3/templatetags/pagination.py", line 36, in add_to_query_string return conditional_escape(qs.urlencode()) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/http/request.py", line 524, in urlencode for v in list_ File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/http/request.py", line 524, in <genexpr> for v in list_ AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'encode' ERROR 2018-08-07 13:54:25,721 19997 django.server "GET /hyperkitty/list/dev(a)example.com/2018/5/ HTTP/1.1" 500 317983 ``` Environment: ``` alembic==1.0.0 arrow==0.12.1 click==6.7 Django==2.1 django-haystack==2.8.1 django-mailman3==1.2.0 django-q==0.9.4 djangorestframework==3.8.2 httplib2==0.11.3 HyperKitty==1.2.0 mailman==3.2.0 mailman-hyperkitty==1.1.1 mailmanclient==3.2.0 Mako==1.0.7 postorius==1.2.0 psycopg2-binary==2.7.5 python-dateutil==2.7.3 requests==2.19.1 requests-oauthlib==1.0.0 SQLAlchemy==1.2.10 urllib3==1.23 uWSGI==2.0.17.1 Whoosh==2.7.4 ``` Some of the archives are listed fine tho. The same trace reproduced with 2 different imported archives. I'm on Debian stretch and using python 3.5.3. Can you help please? Thanks, Ali

1 0

migration subscribers from mm2 to mm3
by Mateusz Ostrzyżek 07 Aug '18

07 Aug '18

Hello, Is there any way to migrate subscribers from mailman2 to mailman3 other than writing them to mm3? I have a fiew lists on mailman2 an i want to migrate them to mailman 3, i found a way to migrate archive but cannot find any information about subscribers. Best regards -- Mateusz Ostrzyżek (null) (null)

2 1

dedicated mailman3 list server on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS - questions after installation
by John Seifarth 06 Aug '18

06 Aug '18

My goal is to build a stable dedicated list server using mailman3. It should use all current email authentication techniques to clearly show that it is an authentic non-spam mail list server. In the future, I may want to use the REST interface, so that’s why mailman2 is not an option. My installation: Installed Ubuntu 18.04 LTS server, with postfix, mysql and postgres. I then installed mail-stack-delivery, postfix-policyd-spf-python, OpenDKIM, and OpenDMARC. I configured SPF, DKIM, and DMARC records on my DNS server, and then configured postfix and dovecot to DKIM sign outgoing mail from local users, and check SPF, DMARC, and DKIM on incoming mail. I then installed the package mailman3-full, which provides version 3.1.1-9, using postgres 10 as the database. I have looked in Ubuntu bionic-backports and bionic-updates and do not see a more recent version. I see that version 3.2 was released in July, are debian/ubuntu mailman 3.2 packages available somewhere? I set up the /etc/mailman3 files: I added this to the end of mailman.cfg [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg In mailman-hyperkitty.cfg I copied the api_key: value from mailman-web.py MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY, but removed the single quotes surrounding the value in the mailman-web.py file when writing the key in the mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file. I modified /etc/postfix/main.cf with this appended to the end: # Mailman-postfix integration owner_request_special = no # Support the default VERP delimiter. recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname, $alias_maps, hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = ${{$compatibility_level} < {2} ? {$mydestination} : {}} hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains I ran /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py createsuperuser I ran a2enmod proxy_uwsgi I made a symbolic link from /etc/mailman3/apache.conf to /etc/apache2/conf-available/mailman3.conf, then ran a2enconf mailman3 I have read the documentation in /usr/share/docs/mailman3* along with what I could find concerning mailman3 on the web. The installation allows me to sign into the web interface, create a host, create mailing lists, and mass subscribe members. When members send email to the list address, the server sends the messages normally to the other members of the list. However, when I look at the list archives, there are no posts. I deliberately mass-subscribed an invalid address, and I can see in /var/log/mail.log that the message bounces, but I get no notification, nor do I see any bounce info when I look at the member info. My questions: 1) logging A lot of my questions would probably be answered if I could figure out hot to activate logging correctly. Currently, I see: root@mailman:/var/log/mailman3# ll -R -rw-rw---- 1 list list 0 Jul 29 20:06 bounce.log -rw-rw---- 1 list list 0 Jul 29 20:06 debug.log -rw-r----- 1 list list 3298 Aug 4 00:00 mailman.log -rw-rw---- 1 list list 34606 Jul 30 17:44 smtp.log drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data www-data 4096 Aug 3 06:25 web/ ./web: -rw-rw-r-- 1 www-data www-data 1520 Aug 3 06:25 mailman-web.log The bounce log and debug log are empty. I’ve set propagate: yes in the [logging.debian] section From /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg # In this section, you can define defaults for all loggers, which will be # prefixed by 'mailman.'. Use subsections to override settings for specific # loggers. The names of the available loggers are: # # - archiver -- All archiver output # - bounce -- All bounce processing logs go here # - config -- Configuration issues <…snip…> Can anyone post an example of a ‘subsection’ to set archiver and bounce to debug? Do I have to create /var/log/mailman3/mailman.archiver.log and set ownership to list:list? 2) Where are posts stored? For me, this is the biggest mystery in mailman3. Local mail is delivered to ~/Maildir by dovecot. In the $var_dir hierarchy the directory messages contains just 2 messages dating to my initial tests. Anything I send to a list now, and which seems to be sent properly to the member addresses, I cannot find on the filesystem. Any clues as to what may be going on here? 3) Archival - Hyperkitty How does this work? All the parts seem to be in place, and I can see from ps /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=archive:0:1 -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg How can I figure out why this is not working? In the web interface, I see that each of my lists has zero posts. But posts mailed to the list address do appear in the list members’ mailboxes! 4) Bounces I’ve deliberately put an erroneous email address as a list member. In postfix’s /var/log/mail.log I see the bounces, but get no notification, and /var/log/mailman3/bounce.log remains empty. 5) DKIM and DMARC I’ve got OpenDKIM running on inet:12345@localhost and OpenDMARC running on net:54321@localhost. How can I get mailman to use these milters and sign messages? How should DMARC munging be configured when signing? 6) Is there an overview of how mailman3 works? Is there documentation which explains the path of an incoming post through the system, including initial reception, list processing, sending to members, processing bounces, and archiving posts? Thanks in advance for help and pointers to any available documentation! John Seifarth Words & Wires SPRL Computer Consulting & Language Services Brussels, Belgium

3 2

bad ssl cert on docker guide site
by Fabian A. Santiago 06 Aug '18

06 Aug '18

hello, On the docker deployment guide site: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ linked to from here: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html the ssl cert is invalid, as it's issued against CN = www.github.com. just an fyi (although I"m sure others have seen this and there's likely a perfectly valid explanation I just haven't thought of). good day. -- Fabian S. OpenPGP: 0x643082042DC83E6D94B86C405E3DAA18A1C22D8F (new key) *** 0x3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC (to be retired, still valid)

2 1

getting spammed when sending lots of mails (>1000)
by Asaf Ohayon 06 Aug '18

06 Aug '18

Hello Using Mailman 3.2 / Posfix 2.10.1 I have a list configured, when having only few members, all is OK, email gets to inbox (at GMail) But when sending to thousands of members, it gets to the Spam folder, Is it a matter of rate-limiting at postfix ? Thanks -- Asaf Ohayon SRE | SysBind M: +972 547920828 P: + 972 3 5096219 E: asaf(a)sysbind.co.il Rothschild 60, Bat Yam www.sysbind.co.il

2 1

"To:" header field
by Asaf Ohayon 05 Aug '18

05 Aug '18

Hello I'm having trouble with getting into spam folder (at least at gmail), I'm suspecting to "To:" field (among other things). Comparing to Mailman 2.1, which we recently upgrading from, and didn't got spammed, the "To:" field was set to the actual reciever, While in Mailman 3.2, the "To:" field is set to the list's address. How can this be configured ? Thanks -- Asaf Ohayon SRE | SysBind M: +972 547920828 P: + 972 3 5096219 E: asaf(a)sysbind.co.il Rothschild 60, Bat Yam www.sysbind.co.il

2 1

Archiving error
by Eric Abrahamsen 03 Aug '18

03 Aug '18

Since about two days ago, all attempts to archive messages via Hyperkitty have raised the error below. So far as I know, I haven't updated any packages, or changed any config. I don't know why this has started happening. Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive IntegrityError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive NOT NULL constraint failed: hyperkitty_attachment.size Request Method: POST Request URL: http://lists.my-domain.org/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=NotMyRealKey Django Version: 2.0.5 Python Executable: /home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/bin/python Python Version: 3.5.2 Traceback: File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in _execute 85. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py" in execute 303. return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) The above exception (NOT NULL constraint failed: hyperkitty_attachment.size) was the direct cause of the following exception: File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 35. response = get_response(request) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 128. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 126. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in _decorator 72. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py" in wrapped_view 54. return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in archive 119. add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py" in add_to_list 162. encoding=encoding) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py" in manager_method 82. return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in create 417. obj.save(force_insert=True, using=self.db) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in save 729. force_update=force_update, update_fields=update_fields) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in save_base 759. updated = self._save_table(raw, cls, force_insert, force_update, using, update_fields) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in _save_table 842. result = self._do_insert(cls._base_manager, using, fields, update_pk, raw) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in _do_insert 880. using=using, raw=raw) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py" in manager_method 82. return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in _insert 1125. return query.get_compiler(using=using).execute_sql(return_id) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py" in execute_sql 1283. cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in execute 68. return self._execute_with_wrappers(sql, params, many=False, executor=self._execute) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in _execute_with_wrappers 77. return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in _execute 85. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/utils.py" in __exit__ 89. raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in _execute 85. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py" in execute 303. return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) Exception Type: IntegrityError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Exception Value: NOT NULL constraint failed: hyperkitty_attachment.size Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: key = 'NotMyRealKey' POST: mlist = 'my-list(a)lists.my-domain.org' FILES: message = <InMemoryUploadedFile: message.txt ()> COOKIES: No cookie data META: CONTENT_LENGTH = '579002' CONTENT_TYPE = 'multipart/form-data; boundary=4c9a29456f514b2a9ef4f9a5d042abc6' HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'close' HTTP_HOST = 'lists.my-domain.org' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'python-requests/2.18.4' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = 'xxx.xxx.xx.xxx' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST = 'lists.my-domain.org' HTTP_X_REAL_IP = 'xxx.xxx.xx.xxx' PATH_INFO = '/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive' QUERY_STRING = 'key=NotMyRealKey' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REQUEST_METHOD = 'POST' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = '127.0.0.1' SERVER_PORT = '231742768' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.0' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name='<stderr>' mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <_io.BytesIO object at 0x7f940d0055c8> wsgi.multiprocess = True wsgi.multithread = False wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)'

1 0

Removing banned emails
by Kaleb White 02 Aug '18

02 Aug '18

I am trying to remove a banned email with a special character via the rest api and it's not working. It's also not working via the UI. Any ideas? http://localhost:8001/3.0/lists/example.com/bans/provisor#41@bankofamerica.… <Response [404]>

3 2

Re: Mailman 3 Keeps Forgettings Imported Lists
by Ryan McClung 31 Jul '18

31 Jul '18

I do see the output of the script and it shows the mailing lists being created. If you put "${VARIABLE}"@domain.com it outputs correctly. Also, to that end, the output of lists changes depending on which directory I am in which makes 0 sense. On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:27 PM Ryan McClung <rmcclung(a)afilias.info> wrote: > I do see the output of the script and it shows the mailing lists being > created. If you put "${VARIABLE}"@domain.com it outputs correctly. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:22 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 07/31/2018 07:04 AM, Ryan McClung wrote: >> > Scratch that. Ran with the corrected script and getting the following: >> > [root@mailman3(stg) archives]# mailman lists >> > No matching mailing lists found >> > >> > Any thoughts? >> >> This >> >> > for DIR in $DIRS; do mailman create "${DIR}"; mailman import21 "${DIR}"@ >> afilias.info "${DIR}"/config.pck; >> >> is still wrong. The list name for mailman create needs to be fully >> qualified as in >> >> > for DIR in $DIRS; do mailman create ${DIR}(a)afilias.info; mailman >> import21 ${DIR}(a)afilias.info ${DIR}/config.pck; >> >> (Do you look at the output from your script?) >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > > > -- > > Ryan McClung > Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada > A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> > W. www.afilias.info > T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186 > -- Ryan McClung Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> W. www.afilias.info T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186

2 3

Mailman 3 Keeps Forgettings Imported Lists
by Ryan McClung 31 Jul '18

31 Jul '18

GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.6.5 (default, Apr 10 2018, 17:08:37) [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-16)] config file: /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////opt/mailman/var/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ Shortly after I run an import on a bunch of lists they all disappear. [root@mailman3(stg) mailman]# mailman lists No matching mailing lists found I have 30+ lists. Any thoughts? -- Ryan McClung Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> W. www.afilias.info T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186

2 4

mailman command to remove members
by Asaf Ohayon 31 Jul '18

31 Jul '18

Is there command like mailman members --add, to mass-remove members from a list ? Thanks

2 1

Autorespond postings: does not seem to work on 3.2?
by Asaf Ohayon 29 Jul '18

29 Jul '18

Hello Maybe I'm not understanding the meaning of this setting correctly, When I set this, I don't see any extra emails going out when I'm posting to the list Thanks

2 1

MM3 installation recommendation: Docker or individual components?
by Tom Browder 28 Jul '18

28 Jul '18

I want to install MM3 on a virgin host running Debian 9. I want to minimize problems as bugs are fixed and necessary upgrades are published. I will use PostgreSQL, nginx, and Postfix, and am reasonably competent runnng my own remote server (full control, hard iron server, not virtual). The host will only serve mail to the public and nothing else (no websites, no other users). I did run a successful MM2 site (thanks to Mark’s copious and gracious help!) for a couple of years from 2011 to 2013, so I’m no stranger to some of the MM3 jargon. I have been running Apache 2.4+ with 10+ virtual https websites since 2010. I use Letsencrypt certificates for all of them. I have no experience with Docker, Django, or nginx. Should I choose the Docker method or individual compnent installation? I realize this is an open ended and very subjective request, but I would appreciate any advice. Best regards, -Tom

2 2

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Container Images for Mailman 3.2 release
by Abhilash Raj 27 Jul '18

27 Jul '18

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018, at 1:16 PM, Kamran Soomro wrote: > Hi Abhilash, > > This is great. Thank you very much. Might I make a small suggestion? I > think it might be less confusing to use tags for your images that > conform to the mailman release. E.g. 3.2 should contain mailman 3.2, 3.3 > should contain mailman 3.3 etc. At the moment it’s hard to tell which > image contains which release. Sounds like a good idea! I will push 3.2 tags as soon as I can! > > Just my two cents. > > –Kamran > > > On 27 Jul 2018, at 21:08, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have updated and pushed releases for Container Images with 3.2 release of the suite. > > > > They are available at: > > > > docker.io/maxking/mailman-web:0.2 > > docker.io/maxking/mailman-core:0.2 > > > > A similar copy of both is also available at quay: > > > > quay.io/maxking/mailman-web:0.2 > > quay.io/maxking/mailman-core:0.2 > > > > The releases contain the following versions of components: > > > > mailman-core: > > - Mailman Core 3.2.0 > > - Mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 > > > > mailman-web: > > - Postorius 1.2.1 > > - Hyperkitty 1.2.0 > > - Django-mailman3 1.2.0 > > - MailmanClient 3.2.0 > > > > The upgrade process from 0.1 release should be relative painless, except for the full-text index, which needs to be rebuilt due to the migration from Python 2 to 3 of the full-text indexing library whoosh. You can run the following commands to do so, after the upgrade: > > > > $ docker exec -it mailman-web bash > > bash # python manage.py rebuild_index > > > > If you are not using the default docker-compose.yaml file provided in the repo, you need to add an extra environment variable for mailman-web container, POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL, which defaults to `http://mailman-web:8000`. It should be the URL where your mailman-web container is listening on with HTTP (port 8000 by default). > > > > The rolling releases are not being rolled out right everyday now, because of broken build scripts. I'd recommend everyone use the new stable releases that I mentioned above. Going forward, I'll try to release stable versions more often, so that there isn't any need for rolling version, but fixing the rolling releases is on my TODO. > > > > Documentation for these images is available at: > > > > https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman > > > > -- > > thanks, > > Abhilash Raj (maxking) > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers(a)python.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-leave(a)python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mm3/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ > > Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > > > > Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

1 0

Container Images for Mailman 3.2 release
by Abhilash Raj 27 Jul '18

27 Jul '18

Hi All, I have updated and pushed releases for Container Images with 3.2 release of the suite. They are available at: docker.io/maxking/mailman-web:0.2 docker.io/maxking/mailman-core:0.2 A similar copy of both is also available at quay: quay.io/maxking/mailman-web:0.2 quay.io/maxking/mailman-core:0.2 The releases contain the following versions of components: mailman-core: - Mailman Core 3.2.0 - Mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 mailman-web: - Postorius 1.2.1 - Hyperkitty 1.2.0 - Django-mailman3 1.2.0 - MailmanClient 3.2.0 The upgrade process from 0.1 release should be relative painless, except for the full-text index, which needs to be rebuilt due to the migration from Python 2 to 3 of the full-text indexing library whoosh. You can run the following commands to do so, after the upgrade: $ docker exec -it mailman-web bash bash # python manage.py rebuild_index If you are not using the default docker-compose.yaml file provided in the repo, you need to add an extra environment variable for mailman-web container, POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL, which defaults to `http://mailman-web:8000`. It should be the URL where your mailman-web container is listening on with HTTP (port 8000 by default). The rolling releases are not being rolled out right everyday now, because of broken build scripts. I'd recommend everyone use the new stable releases that I mentioned above. Going forward, I'll try to release stable versions more often, so that there isn't any need for rolling version, but fixing the rolling releases is on my TODO. Documentation for these images is available at: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

1 0

Double footer
by Asaf Ohayon 23 Jul '18

23 Jul '18

Hello Upon a clean installation of Mailman 3.2.0a1, Without any additional configuration, nor custom footers, When accepting message from the list on Gmail client for example, The footer shows twice, also in the message source I see two identical footer parts, accept for the message barrier: --===============4363779446011731395== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Info mailing list -- info(a)mailman.sysbind.biz To unsubscribe send an email to info-leave(a)mailman.sysbind.biz --===============4363779446011731395== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Info mailing list -- info(a)mailman.sysbind.biz To unsubscribe send an email to info-leave(a)mailman.sysbind.biz --===============4363779446011731395==--

3 4

Migrating from SQLite to PostgreSQL
by Joe Steeve 20 Jul '18

20 Jul '18

Hello All, I have an installation on SQLite. I want to migrate it to PostgreSQL. Is that feasible? Any gotchas I need to watch for? -- Joe Steeve HiPro IT Solutions Private Limited http://www.hipro.co.in/

6 8

Creating a new list using REST from the host
by Henrik Rasmussen 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

I am using Docker-mailman (GNU Mailman 3.2.0a1), but from the host I am trying to create a list using the REST API in the (yet, no offense) lack of a template for new list configurations. I get a nice dictionary when getting data out of Mailman, but using this exact dictionary (for debug) as payload to Mailman (my mmapiwrite), and with reference to https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/lists.html#c…, I get a response "A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator.". I don't understand the dump_json and I find the docs above hard to follow. How should I create the list using REST? <code> restapiversion = '3.1' def getlistdefaultsx(): # Exact output from Mailman, see below. listdefaultsx = { 'acceptable_aliases': [], 'admin_immed_notify': True, 'admin_notify_mchanges': False, 'administrivia': True, [SNIP] 'subscription_policy': 'confirm_then_moderate', 'volume': 1} return(listdefaultsx) def get_all_list_names(): all_list_fqdn = [] response = mmapi('lists?count=10&page=1') output = response.json() for entry in output.get('entries'): all_list_fqdn.append(entry.get('fqdn_listname')) return(all_list_fqdn) def addlist(): list_setup = getlistdefaultsx() go_create_list('abc', list_setup) def go_create_list(list_name_fqdn, list_setup): #pprint(list_setup) print('Creating list %s ...' % list_name_fqdn) response = mmapiwrite('lists', list_setup) def mmapi(apicommand): response = requests.get('http://172.19.199.2:8001/%s/%s' % (restapiversion, apicommand), auth=('restadmin', 'restpass')) def mmapiwrite(apicommand,payload): response = requests.post('http://172.19.199.2:8001/%s/%s' % (restapiversion, apicommand), data=payload, auth=('restadmin', 'restpass')) getlistdefaultsx is an actual dictionary with real output from Mailman using my mmapi from an existing test list (though domain names are masked. Of course I can't create an existing list, but when changing the list name I get the same error message. {'acceptable_aliases': [], 'admin_immed_notify': True, 'admin_notify_mchanges': False, 'administrivia': True, 'advertised': True, 'allow_list_posts': True, 'anonymous_list': False, 'archive_policy': 'never', 'autorespond_owner': 'none', 'autorespond_postings': 'none', 'autorespond_requests': 'none', 'autoresponse_grace_period': '90d', 'autoresponse_owner_text': '', 'autoresponse_postings_text': '', 'autoresponse_request_text': '', 'bounces_address': 'hertest2-bounces(a)example.ku.dk', 'collapse_alternatives': True, 'convert_html_to_plaintext': False, 'created_at': '2018-03-19T14:19:49.018252', 'default_member_action': 'defer', 'default_nonmember_action': 'hold', 'description': 'Test-domæne for Mailman 3-testlister', 'digest_last_sent_at': None, 'digest_send_periodic': True, 'digest_size_threshold': 30.0, 'digest_volume_frequency': 'monthly', 'digests_enabled': True, 'display_name': 'Hertest2', 'dmarc_mitigate_action': 'no_mitigation', 'dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally': False, 'dmarc_moderation_notice': '', 'dmarc_wrapped_message_text': '', 'filter_content': False, 'first_strip_reply_to': False, 'fqdn_listname': 'hertest2(a)example.ku.dk', 'http_etag': '"987dfgf8g569fvfd6v7"', 'include_rfc2369_headers': True, 'info': '', 'join_address': 'hertest2-join(a)example.ku.dk', 'last_post_at': None, 'leave_address': 'hertest2-leave(a)example.ku.dk', 'list_name': 'hertest2', 'mail_host': 'example.ku.dk', 'max_message_size': 40, 'moderator_password': None, 'next_digest_number': 1, 'no_reply_address': 'noreply(a)example.ku.dk', 'owner_address': 'hertest2-owner(a)example.ku.dk', 'post_id': 1, 'posting_address': 'hertest2(a)example.ku.dk', 'posting_pipeline': 'default-posting-pipeline', 'reply_goes_to_list': 'no_munging', 'reply_to_address': '', 'request_address': 'hertest2-request(a)example.ku.dk', 'send_welcome_message': True, 'subject_prefix': '[Hertest2] ', 'subscription_policy': 'confirm_then_moderate', 'volume': 1} </code>

2 1