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How to increase maximum size of the message in mailman
by Shashikanth Komandoor 31 Aug '21

31 Aug '21

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in-built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.7 version with default values. I am almost running 2200 lists with 128 GB RAM and 24 Cores on a single VM and on which all the mailman 3 components are running. I have been running this setup in production for the past 2 years and 6 months. I have recently encountered a scenario where a user sent mail with a PPT attachment to one of the lists on the said mailman server. The mail is received by postfix on the mailman server and is handed over to mailman at *0.0.0.0:8024 <http://0.0.0.0:8024>.* But the /var/log/maillog says the below error during the above hand shake. *status=bounced (host 0.0.0.0[0.0.0.0] said: 552 Error: Too much mail data* I have browsed google for understanding and fixing the issue. During which I encountered the information given by Mr. Mark Sapio at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…. But I could not fix the issue as it is mentioned the default size limit is 33554432. I request someone to suggest where I can customize the value 33554432 and put a higher value or can be configured without any limit. I have configured message_size_limit as 100MB at postfix level. I would like to configure, in fact, the same at mailman level too. But I don't understand where to edit. I tried editing the variable DATA_SIZE_DEFAULT value in /var/lib/mailman/mailman/.tox/py36-nocov/lib/python3.6/site-packages/aiosmtpd/smtp.py file but unfortunately no luck. So, could someone please help us in this regard ? Also, please also let me know if there is any limitation specific for the attachments so that I can customize that too respectively. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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how to become member of mailman-users list
by Shashikanth Komandoor 31 Aug '21

31 Aug '21

Hi Team, One of my colleagues is trying to become a member of the mailman-users list but she is not able to become so even after sending multiple emails to the list. Could someone suggest this ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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Question about message bounce stats
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook 30 Aug '21

30 Aug '21

When I used Mailgun some time back, it had a feature of, for any specific outgoing mailing, being able to show you stats and other details of which mails were received ok, which bounced, and which were undeliverable, which I found helpful to check every so often. Their system also kept track of long-term trends, eg for addresses that frequently failed. Does Mailman3 keep such stats, and if so is there any way to get access to them, even if only API? I would think it useful to do so (and yes, for individual outgoing messages at least for a period). Regards, Ruth -- Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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auto-away notices as bounces
by Andreas Barth 30 Aug '21

30 Aug '21

Hi, I had a user complaint that his subscription was disabled. Looking into details, his mail provider sent out lots of auto aways notices marked with Auto-Submitted: auto-replied (vacation) Should we not exclude these as being counted as bounce? (List settings are "Individual" for "Personalize" and yes for both "Include RFC2369 headers" and "Include the list post header". Regards, Andi

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(nagios-)Monitoring for mailman3?
by Andreas Barth 29 Aug '21

29 Aug '21

Hi together, does anyone have a sensible nagios monitoring for mailman3? (I had the issue that after a data base restart mailman3 was somehow disturbed but the basic web interface was still available, just the detailed pages like .../lists/$listid/ showed the error) Andi

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Logging subscriptions and unsubscriptions
by Christian Schoepplein 28 Aug '21

28 Aug '21

Hi, I am in the process to migrate from mailman 2 to mailman 3 and currently I am setting up the new environment and do some tests and play around with the new system. I'd like to have a seperate log for list subscriptions and unsubscriptions. For that reason I added the following section to the mailman-extra.cfg file: [logging.subscribe] path: subscribe.log That created a file called subscribe.log but not everything regarding subscription / unsubscriptions is added to the file. When subscribing and unsubscribing a user via mail only the following line is shown: Aug 27 10:58:31 2021 (28) tmod(a)mm3.example.com: held subscription request from chris(a)example.com Nothing regarding the finished subscription and absolutely nothing regarding the unsubscription performed later. Also in mailman.log I can find the following lines: Aug 27 10:58:05 2021 (28) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 356, in _step_send_confirmation raise StopIteration StopIteration Aug 27 10:58:31 2021 (28) deque: subscribe_from_restored Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 326, in _step_get_moderator_approval raise StopIteration StopIteration Aug 27 10:58:33 2021 (29) OWNER: <163005471133.28.13827351997075408419@mailman-core> Is this because a higher logging level or is this an error? I can find nothing really helpfull regarding subscriptions and unsubscriptions in any logfile. Is this wanted or can this changed by any configuration setting or are this information stored in the database? Cheers, Schoepp

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Unwanted E-mail to Maillists Submitted via Postorius Interface
by matthew＠alberti.us 28 Aug '21

28 Aug '21

Hi Everyone, I’ve seen a recent uptick in SPAM messages making it into mailing lists. Looking at the raw, it seems that the e-mails are being submitted thru the Postorius/Hyperkitty “Start a New Thread” interface. Is there a way to turn that off? We would want people to only be able to post via e-mail. Part of the problem is that our anti-spam system RSPAMD trusts the mailman-web IP… so it doesn’t scan things originating from there.. ☹ Another uestion: Is there a way to implement captcha, or is there a recommended gate that can be put in the signup process? Apparently bots are finding a way thru the signup process, and then sending messages to the list via the Postorius web interface. There seems to be a Django plugin for it; but it appears the Mailman code would have to be adjusted to implement it. I’m open to any suggestions, including on places to check for misconfiguration. 😊 Thanks. - Matt Alberti

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docker mailman-core mailman3 image not responding on port 8024
by bob B 25 Aug '21

25 Aug '21

Ok, I took a step back and started fresh... So the issue appears to be that mailman-core docker image is not replying on port 8024. I did a packet capture and it shows (172.23.01 is the gateway for the docker network on the host, 172.23.03 is the IP of mailman-core when I did the capture) *************************************** 1 2021-08-16 14:15:14.865053 172.23.0.1 172.23.0.3 TCP 74 34066 → 8024 [SYN] Seq=0 Win=29200 Len=0 MSS=1460 SACK_PERM=1 TSval=985607751 TSecr=0 WS=128 2 2021-08-16 14:15:14.865084 172.23.0.3 172.23.0.1 TCP 54 8024 → 34066 [RST, ACK] Seq=1 Ack=1 Win=0 Len=0 *************************************** The above show the docker host sending/relaying mail to mailman-core, but mailman-core does not acknowledge on port 8024. The images are up i.e *************************************** 58923db6fb9f maxking/mailman-core:0.3 "docker-entrypoint.s…" 26 minutes ago Up 25 minutes 127.0.0.1:8001->8001/tcp, 127.0.0.1:8024->8024/tcp mailman-core *************************************** Docker yamel has the port setup (8024) *************************************** services: mailman-core: image: maxking/mailman-core:0.3 container_name: mailman-core hostname: mailman-core . . ports: - "127.0.0.1:8001:8001" # API - "127.0.0.1:8024:8024" # LMTP - incoming emails networks: mailman: *************************************** I can nc to the ports for docker web & 8001 on core and they are listening But 8024 is not responding *************************************** #>docker-mailman-host]# nc -v 172.23.0.4 8000 Ncat: Version 7.50 ( https://nmap.org/ncat ) Ncat: Connected to 172.23.0.4:8000. ^C #>docker-mailman-host]# nc -v 172.23.0.4 8080 Ncat: Version 7.50 ( https://nmap.org/ncat ) Ncat: Connected to 172.23.0.4:8080. ^C #>docker-mailman-host]# nc -v 172.23.0.3 8001 Ncat: Version 7.50 ( https://nmap.org/ncat ) Ncat: Connected to 172.23.0.3:8001. ^C #>docker-mailman-host]# nc -v 172.23.0.3 8024 Ncat: Version 7.50 ( https://nmap.org/ncat ) Ncat: Connection refused *************************************** Docker logs show postfix is up on mailman-core *************************************** sudo docker logs mailman-core List of databases Name | Owner | Encoding | Collate | Ctype | Access privileges -----------+---------+----------+------------+------------+--------------------- mailmandb | mailman | UTF8 | en_US.utf8 | en_US.utf8 | postgres | mailman | UTF8 | en_US.utf8 | en_US.utf8 | template0 | mailman | UTF8 | en_US.utf8 | en_US.utf8 | =c/mailman + | | | | | mailman=CTc/mailman template1 | mailman | UTF8 | en_US.utf8 | en_US.utf8 | =c/mailman + | | | | | mailman=CTc/mailman (4 rows) Postgres is up - continuing Using Postfix configuration Found configuration file at /opt/mailman/mailman-extra.cfg HYPERKITTY_URL not set, using the default value of http://mailman-web:8000/hyperkitty *************************************** Any ideas is there anything else I can do to troubleshoot? Is the issue with the mailman-core image?

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Error on timeout vs retry values
by Robert Moody 25 Aug '21

25 Aug '21

Hi everyone, I have recently setup a new mailman3 service using the venv method. Everything is functionally working however I keep getting an error sent to the mailman email every min which I can not seem to figure out why. /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/conf.py:142: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than timeout, failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion. See https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details. See https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details.""" I have edited the timeout and retry values in the /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/conf.py file and restarted both mailman and mailman-web however this still keeps repeating. Any ideas? Regards, Robert -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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Mailman backend maintenance task
by eugenio.jordan＠esa.int 24 Aug '21

24 Aug '21

Dear all. My apologies if the answer to this question is obvious, but I am pretty newbie for 3 version, and to be very honest I haven't had enough time yet to have a deep look into the documentation. Our customer is currently using PostGRESQL as backend, and we would like to perform some maintenance tasks, namely running vacuum full, or at least trying to rebuild hyperkitty_email primary key related index. We have been asked on the real impact of putting in place such initiative. Though the latter is related to archiving, I haven't found a way to stop just Hyperkitty or Django related processes other than stopping Mailman's core, hence preventing mails addressed to distribution lists from being delivered, could you please confirm if I am correct? Regarding the former, as far as I have read, the "mappings" lists -> addresses are stored just in the database, so if we run some kind of procedure or task like vacuum which will lock exclusively tables, or want anyway to have the database stopped for a cold backup or whatever, Mailman willl not work, that is, again the mails addressed to the distribution lists will not be delivered. Will you please confirm this point, too? Really wish we had a testing environment to have been able to check this ourselves and not bothering others, but unfortunately we lack it, and we need to provide an answer as soon as possible. Thanks a lot for your time. Best regards.

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Installing mailman3 from Ubuntu 20.04 repository
by Andy Cravens 24 Aug '21

24 Aug '21

I’m testing Mailman3 on Ubuntu 20.04 and installing the packages from the default Ubuntu repo. I’m not sure I’ll perform the install this way once we move to production. I don’t know what group is responsible for keeping the Mainlam3 package in the Ubuntu repository up to date but I’d like to find out how committed that groups is to keeping the package current. We patch often and it would be convenient if the Mailman3 package is kept updated and current. If there is going to be some significant lag time I may decide to install manually when we go to production. Any thoughts on this? — Andy

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How to change the language in mailman3
by maszap＠tin.it 19 Aug '21

19 Aug '21

Hi everyone, from here: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/hyperkitty/it/ I see that there is a way to change the language of mailman3, postorius and hyperkitty But I don't find how. I read that you can download the .po files for the chosen language, but I didn't understand how to use these files. Could anyone show me how to do it? Thank you in advance. Max

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Error when disabling signup
by Rainer Herbst 17 Aug '21

17 Aug '21

Dear all, over the last couple of weeks, I have installed and configured mailman3 using the docker containers. It took me some time, but now it works quite well. At last, I wanted to disable the sign-up because only LDAP users should be able to login. As described in django_mailman3/views/user_adapter.py, I added the following line to my settings_local.py: ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter' After that, an error is thrown: ModuleNotFoundError at /accounts/login/ No module named 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter' What could be the reason for that and how to solve it? Thanks in advance! Rainer Here is the traceback: Environment: Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mailman.aip.de:1443/accounts/login/?next=%2Faccounts%2Flogin%2F Django Version: 2.2.19 Python Version: 3.8.5 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in view 71. return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py" in _wrapper 45. return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/decorators/debug.py" in sensitive_post_parameters_wrapper 76. return view(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py" in dispatch 146. return super(LoginView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py" in dispatch 74. response = super(RedirectAuthenticatedUserMixin, self).dispatch( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in dispatch 97. return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py" in get 90. response = super(AjaxCapableProcessFormViewMixin, self).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/edit.py" in get 133. return self.render_to_response(self.get_context_data()) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py" in get_context_data 173. signup_url = passthrough_next_redirect_url( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/utils.py" in passthrough_next_redirect_url 444. next_url = get_next_redirect_url(request, redirect_field_name) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/utils.py" in get_next_redirect_url 45. if not get_adapter(request).is_safe_url(redirect_to): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py" in get_adapter 535. return import_attribute(app_settings.ADAPTER)(request) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/utils.py" in import_attribute 155. ret = getattr(importlib.import_module(pkg), attr) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py" in import_module 127. return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>" in _gcd_import 1014. <source code not available> File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>" in _find_and_load 991. <source code not available> File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>" in _find_and_load_unlocked 973. <source code not available> Exception Type: ModuleNotFoundError at /accounts/login/ Exception Value: No module named 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter' Viele Grüße, Rainer Herbst Leiter IT-Service Phone: +49 331 7499-257 e-mail: rainer.herbst(a)aip.de https://www.aip.de ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leibniz-Institut für Astrophysik Potsdam (AIP) An der Sternwarte 16, 14482 Potsdam Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Matthias Steinmetz, Wolfram Rosenbach Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts Stiftungsverzeichnis Brandenburg: 26 742-00/7026 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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can't get mail into mailman3 in docker
by bob B 13 Aug '21

13 Aug '21

I am trying to get mail into mailman in docker, I can send a test messages out from the container. But can't get mail in. Any idea what I am missing? mydomain.mydomain.com is substituted for the actual domain in the below output My /etc/postfix/main.cf has ------------------------------------- mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, mydomain.mydomain.com transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains # Support the default VERP delimiter. recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no ------------------------------------- my /opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg has ------------------------------------- # mailman-extra.cfg [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver # mailman-core hostname or IP from the Postfix server lmtp_host: localhost lmtp_port: 8024 # Postfix server's hostname or IP from mailman-core smtp_host: outbound-mail.mydomain.mydomain.com smtp_port: 25 configuration: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg [mailman] # This address is the "site owner" address. Certain messages which must be # delivered to a human, but which can't be delivered to a list owner (e.g. a # bounce from a list owner), will be sent to this address. It should point to # a human. site_owner: admin(a)mydomain.mydomain.com ------------------------------------- The instructions say "The configuration file /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg is generated automatically." But I do not have that file is this the issue?? cat: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg: No such file or directory When I send mail to my domain to a list i created called 'test' I get ------- 2021-08-02T13:33:08.666502-04:00 bmimailmandr1 postfix/cleanup[113557]: A068930294D8: message-id=<7C8556BA-156D-4A31-A64E-428C62D31AA1(a)mac.com> 2021-08-02T13:33:08.680953-04:00 bmimailmandr1 postfix/qmgr[113209]: A068930294D8: from=<testuser @bmail.com>, size=8275, nrcpt=1 (queue active) 2021-08-02T13:33:08.713683-04:00 bmimailmandr1 postfix/lmtp[113559]: A068930294D8: lost connection with localhost[127.0.0.1] while receiving the initial server greeting 2021-08-02T13:33:08.725326-04:00 bmimailmandr1 postfix/lmtp[113559]: connect to localhost[::1]:8024: Connection refused 2021-08-02T13:33:08.735727-04:00 bmimailmandr1 postfix/lmtp[113559]: A068930294D8: to=<test-join(a)mydomain.mydomain.com>, relay=none, delay=0.07, delays=0.03/0.01/0.03/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to localhost[::1]:8024: Connection refused) -----

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Using Header filters
by Mohsen Masoudfar 13 Aug '21

13 Aug '21

Hi, I wonder if it is possible using the "Header filters" option to filter for a specific word to push the message to Moderation? Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

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Mailman3 Issue with Sending Mail to Yahoo/AOL
by chris＠zimmerman.to 11 Aug '21

11 Aug '21

Hi everyone. I have a dedicated Ubuntu box that is running mailman3. I have a single email list on it. The subscriber base is about 350 users. There is a good chunk of these users that are aol.com or yahoo.com users. I've been getting complaints from the Yahoo people that mail is delayed at times, or messages that come out of order. Looking at the mailq on the box, I can see there are plenty of emails stuck in the queue. I have all sorts of messages like this ... -Queue ID- --Size-- ----Arrival Time---- -Sender/Recipient------- 3576C540CB4 9917 Tue May 11 11:27:13 pcho-bounces(a)pchochat.com (host mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.204.74] said: 452 Too many recipients tnmpmscs (in reply to RCPT TO command)) <removed list of email addresses> (host mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.204.74] said: 421 [IPTS04] Messages from 74.112.73.65 temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to end of DATA command)) <removed list of email addresses> 10932540D16 32765 Tue May 11 18:34:13 pcho-bounces(a)pchochat.com (host mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.228.111] said: 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 74.112.73.65 temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) <removed list of email addresses> (host mx-biz.mail.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.204.83] said: 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 74.112.73.65 temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) <removed list of email addresses> (host mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net[67.195.228.84] said: 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 74.112.73.65 temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) (host mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.228.111] said: 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 74.112.73.65 temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) <removed list of email addresses> So it seems that Yahoo/AOL keeps detecting my mailman3 server as either spam, sending too much email, or too many recipients. This email server is for our neighborhood community. Its moderated to join, and we know every single user on this list. We know it's not being reported as spam by our users. Anyone anyone shed some light on how to appropriately solve this issue?

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Avoiding non-members to be saved.
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

Hi all: Yesterday I had a problem with a private list. A spammer sent a mail forging one address that was a non-member (in fact was an "accept this no subscriber mails" from mailman 2.1 import) with very bad intentions and it was distributed. There were no list of "accept this non members" in the Postorius config (but I'm sure that that address was "accepted" in 2.1). To avoid this from any other non member address I deleted ALL non-members. I think it is solved now (deleting all and putting to hold just the non-members addresses that I would want to pass messages on) The fact is that any sender address of mails sent to the list is saved as a "non member", and it make me nervous as it will grow despite it is a legitimate message or not. Anybody knows if there is a per list config to avoid saving all that addresses as non members? o a overall config? I couldn't find anything about this in the config pages (or googling it) Thanks in advance. --

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nginx config example link broken for docker and mailman3
by bob B 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

FYI, on this page https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ this link is broken for nginx config example in "See the nginx configuration as an example." https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#nginx-configuration

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I need professional help to get virtualenv Mailman3 installation running
by John Seifarth 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

Hello, I have been running Linux mailman2 servers for about 10 years, and sendmail/postfix servers for over 20 years. I have a client who wants to upgrade to Mailman 3 from their current Mailman2 system. I wanted to avoid the disruption of an upgrade, so I implemented a series of test servers with different names (leaving the mailman2 server in production at its historical address) running Ubuntu 18 and Ubuntu 20, using the mailman3 packages (3.1and 3.2 respectively). I sort of got it running with mailman 3.2 on Ubuntu 20, but couldn’t get Hyperkitty archiving to work. Plus the fact that mail bounce handling isn’t implemented prior to mailman 3.3.2, I decided to install the latest mailman version available in a venv environment, using the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html I followed the instructions carefully using the same paths, and tracked down and fixed errors as each step progressed. I finally set up a WSGI server according to the instructions, searched for and found (fragmentary) instructions for setting up the Apache configuration, started the mailman3 and mailman web services, and now have no errors in the /opt/mailman/web/logs files, the /var/log/apache files, and in syslog. But when I try to connect via the Web, I get the message "Server error An error occurred while processing your request.” in my browser. No other clues. I’m completely stuck, and I need help to conclude this rapidly, the client really needs the new service up and running ASAP. I’m at the limit of my competence. I’ve been learning Python on and off (insufficient available time), and I installed Django and ran the tutorials. I still am woefully unskilled in the subtleties of a complex Python project like Mailman/Posterious/Hyperkitty, and I really need the help of an expert who can log into the server and see for themselves where the problem(s) are, and fix them. What I need is an experienced Python programmer, who has installed, run, and upgraded venv mailman3 installations. Of course, I will pay for this expertise, and charge it to the end client. In other words, I will pay you directly, and then I will worry about getting paid myself later. I am ready to pay €60/h for your skills, paid directly to your bank account, after receipt of your invoice. It shouldn’t be all that much work, since everything has been installed according to instructions, I’m just not a good enough Python programmer to get all the parts to work together correctly. It’s important to note that the end client is an organisation of European political parties, the virtual machine running the Ubuntu 20 server is hosted at OVH in France. Thus the professional with whom I would work should preferably also be based in the EU, and subject to EU law. Practically speaking, if anyone is interested, please send me a direct email with your email address and phone number, and then we can discuss how to do this practically in terms of SSH access, passwords, etc. Thanks for taking the time to read this, and I hope some Python Mailman pro can come to my aid. John

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Mailman3 stopped working after Upgrade to Ubuntu 21.04
by Thomas Möhle 08 Aug '21

08 Aug '21

Hey, I have set up mailman3 with mailman3-web on my mailserver and after upgrading to Ubuntu 21.04 my setup stopped working. I can see repeating log entries of mailman trying to reach something within hyperkitty and getting an error. The same constant repeating cycle of log entries is visible in my log files. I have attached my config files as well as the logfiles for mailman3 and mailman-web. As you can see, I'm not really getting many errors, yet within 5 seconds there are almost 2000 lines of log entries where mailman tries to reach something within hyperkitty over and over and over again. One thing I did to create an error message is start up both services, then edit a test list, that I created, in the web interface. This is the error you can find in the logs then: ERROR 2021-08-07 12:50:26,932 2343625 postorius Un-handled exception: HTTP Error 404: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/generic.py", line 74, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 97, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 301, in get primary_email = set_preferred(request.user, mm_user) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/utils.py", line 77, in set_preferred mm_user.preferred_address = primary_email.email File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/user.py", line 57, in __setattr__ super(User, self).__setattr__(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 131, in __setattr__ return super(RESTObject, self).__setattr__(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/user.py", line 145, in preferred_address response, content = self._connection.call(url, {'email': email}) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 127, in call raise HTTPError(url, response.status_code, urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: WARNING 2021-08-07 12:50:26,938 2343625 django.request Not Found: /mailman3/postorius/lists/test.lists.example.com/ Can anyone here help me debug this? I'm working on this problem for days now and can't seem to find a solution. Thanks so much in advance, Thomas

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remove non members from a list
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 06 Aug '21

06 Aug '21

Hi all: I need to remove all non members from a list. I know I can do it via Postorius, but it has to be done one at a time. (you can delete ALL suscribers but not all non members...) Anyone has a python recipe to do this? I've been searching and googling but I cannot find the way of doing it safely. And via DDBB there are more than one table involved and I'd rather not mess it all... Thanks in advance

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Not able to start mailman server
by Kartheek Reddy Bondugula 05 Aug '21

05 Aug '21

Hi, I am trying to start the mailman server on a mac according to the instructions given on the website as shown - $(py3) git clone git@gitlab.com:mailman/mailman.git $(py3) cd mailman $(py3) python setup.py develop $(py3) mailman start $(py3) cd .. But I run into the following problem - Starting Mailman's master runner Generating MTA alias maps /usr/local/Cellar/python(a)3.9/3.9.5/bin/python3.9: can't open file '/usr/local/opt/python(a)3.9/bin/master': [Errno 2] No such file or directory Can anyone help me out with this? Thanks, Kartheek

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UnpicklingError on mailman lists command
by Bryan Loniewski 04 Aug '21

04 Aug '21

Hi all -- I'm getting the error below when trying to exec the "mailman lists" command. I've turned debugging on within my test mailman.cfg like so... [database] class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase <snip> debug: yes [logging.database] level: debug path: dbmailman.log and can see a lot of info including the row(s) with each lists data returned in dbmailman.log. Any guidance on further troubleshooting/debugging? Note that listing the members returns fine (at least for the handful of lists I just tested, i.e., /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman members bry_test(a)lists-test.rutgers.edu) $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman lists Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 829, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 782, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 68, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1259, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1066, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 610, in invoke return callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 21, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_lists.py", line 78, in lists for mlist in list_manager.mailing_lists: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/listmanager.py", line 100, in mailing_lists MailingList._list_id).all() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3246, in all return list(self) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/loading.py", line 101, in instances cursor.close() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/langhelpers.py", line 69, in __exit__ exc_value, with_traceback=exc_tb, File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/compat.py", line 178, in raise_ raise exception File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/loading.py", line 81, in instances rows = [proc(row) for row in fetch] File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/loading.py", line 81, in <listcomp> rows = [proc(row) for row in fetch] File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/loading.py", line 589, in _instance populators, File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/loading.py", line 726, in _populate_full dict_[key] = getter(row) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/sql/sqltypes.py", line 1708, in process return loads(value) _pickle.UnpicklingError: pickle data was truncated ________________________ Bryan Loniewski Rutgers University OIT:EAS:Messaging and Collaboration Services System Administrator

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web api
by Ethan Furman 04 Aug '21

04 Aug '21

Greetings again! Is there a remote API I can use to manage a list? One of the lists I manage has 1800 or so users, the vast majority of which have never posted, and I need to remove them (preferably not one by one). The list is meant to be actively used, so going forward I want to be able to unsubscribe anyone who hasn't posted in the last year. Both of those would be much more nicely done with a python script on my computer if I had a means to communicate with the mm3 server remotely. Any and all help appreciated! -- ~Ethan~

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at the finish line of mailman3 docker, but can't sign in.
by bob B 02 Aug '21

02 Aug '21

I am trying to setup mailman3 in docker and have some questions, I can see the finish line :) i hope. I start my images and I can access the web,http://Servername.domain.com/postorius/lists/ and no list are there of course, but How do i sign in? I click the forget link and I have to enter in a email address. I put in the email address I added to the docker-compose.yaml but that does not wrok. I have these setup in the .yaml file. MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER: The username for the admin user to be created by default. MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL: The email for the admin user to be created by default. I found this url http://Servername.domain.com/admin/login However I never set a password and here is no forget button, Basically once I have docker installed, and mailman3 up and no lists are available, How do I setup or/and sign in as admin? Also In docker how can I test sending mail? the command "mailman-web sendtestemail youremailid@domain" from the mailman-web container does not work. How can I make sure my containers can send and receive mail?

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migration
by Dave McGuire 31 Jul '21

31 Jul '21

Hi folks. Some time ago, I set up mm3 and have been running a bunch of lists on it with great success. I was a long-time mm2 user, and while the differences are significant, I'm glad I made the switch. However, in what seems to have been a moment of insanity in retrospect, I installed mm3 from my OS' package repository. Yeah, I know, that was dumb. Now I'd like to migrate to a new server, and I'd like to install mm3 in the normal way. Is there a way that I can "dump" the configuration from an existing mailman3 server, and "import" it into a new instance? I'd really like to avoid re-doing all of the configuration, etc, as there are quite a few lists and everything is set up pretty much the way I want it. I would appreciate any advice from this learned group. Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Mailman lifecycle
by eugenio.jordan＠esa.int 30 Jul '21

30 Jul '21

Dear all. Perhaps this is a sort of dummy questions for software supported by the Community, my apologies in advance. I have been asked on information related to the end of life of support for 3.1 version, and I was wondering whether you could please provide some insights on how the Mailman life cycle is conceived. For instance, are there periodically planned releases, say 1 per year? If so, will you please confirm how long we are to expect the previous versions to be maintained? Thanks so much in advance for the help. Best regards.

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Footer question...
by David Partain 27 Jul '21

27 Jul '21

Hi, Background: I have a painful mailman3 installation based on ubuntu 18.04 packages, a mistake I regret but have to live with until I can finish a fresh install of the latest. Currently running on mailman 3.1.1-9 and python-django-mailman3 version 1.1.0-4 (if that matters). I migrated > 1200 lists from an old mailman2 installation. That brought along all of the footers (naturally), and now I'm trying to get rid of them but failing miserably. I've spent a fair bit of time reading archives of this list, but I'm still stuck. Here's what's configured... In /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- var_dir: /var/lib/mailman3 # Root directory for site-specific template override files. template_dir: $var_dir/templates -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In that directory, list-specific directories like: /var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/list.mydomain/ and, as an example, en/list_member_digest_footer.txt For the migrated lists, that might have: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ $display_name mailing list -- $listname To unsubscribe send an email to ${short_listname}-leave@${domain} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Based on what I've read elsewhere, my first attempt was to create an empty file doing 'cp /dev/null list_member_digest_footer.txt' to replace the one installed in migration. That had no effect. As a shot-in-the-dark, I did 'cp /dev/null list:member:regular:footer.txt' to see if that might have some effect. Nope. I suppose some decision is made earlier in the process to tack on the footer, so these files I'm manipulating have zero effect. Anyone have suggestions of what I can do? Thanks in advance. David

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requiring questionnaire from new users
by Ethan Furman 27 Jul '21

27 Jul '21

Greetings! Is there a way to require new users to answer a questionnaire when they subscribe? I suspect that one of the lists I manage is getting a lot of subscribers who don't understand what that particular list is for, and having to answer a question or two would allow me to direct them to better resources. Any and all info appreciated! -- ~Ethan~

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non-members issue with held email
by Lars Schimmer 20 Jul '21

20 Jul '21

Hi I want to check a issue with a few mailing lists of us. We do run mailman3 on debian with debian package 3.2.1-1 (not yet updated for backup reasons). We created a new mailinglist, added 3 owner and several members. Now we want some email addresses to post to that list but not receive mails from the list. So I added those to the "non-member" area of the mailinglist and checked every non-member to "acceppt at once". But on a test, a email address, which is owner AND non-member, cannot send to mailinglist, always get a "HOLD: ...... The message is not from a list member" The Email address in that HOLD log entry is the same as in the owner/non-member list. Any idea howto check the mailman3 logs for this case? Thank you. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

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Deleting default "example.com" domain breaks everything
by mcarter＠corneredrats.com 18 Jul '21

18 Jul '21

Hello. I'm new with v3 of mailman. Installed via aptitude on deb10. After I logged in as admin, I created my actual domain, as "example.com" was there by default. I then deleted example.com, and everything broke. The only site I had was still using example.com. How do I either a) restore example.com in config or CLI (as web UI is completely broken now), or b) move my one and only "Site 1" to the domain I created? Thanks.

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Debian10 pkg install: set up Postorius superuser?
by mcarter＠corneredrats.com 16 Jul '21

16 Jul '21

Hey, all. I've installed mailman3 to replace mailman2 from the Deb10 package mailman3-full. Command line appears to work, but I had to manually add the Uwsgi module to get the user web site to run. I can't find a reference to what the default admin user password is, and running "python settings.py createsuperuser" doesn't work with error: root@mail:/usr/share/mailman3-web# python manage.py createsuperuser Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 8, in <module> from django.core.management import execute_from_command_line ImportError: No module named django.core.management Any idea what else needs to get installed that the aptitude package missed? Any way to just manually set the admin's password without having to install anything else?

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Problems with hyperkitty
by Lucia Moreno 15 Jul '21

15 Jul '21

Dear mailman support, We have an issue with hyperkitty. In the last month the space used by hyperkitty_email postgres table has increased from 54GB to 400GB and it is constantly increasing with no end. Is there any simple way of knowing what is taking so much space? Like for example display how much archiving space (or achived emails) is used by each mailing list? Looks like a mailing list has gone crazy but from the logs everything looks fine. Any help is very much appreciated. THanks a lot for your precious help!!

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[MM3-users]Is it possible to grant all users the ability to Create List
by Carrie Knox 13 Jul '21

13 Jul '21

Hello, Our company is evaluating mailman3 as an option for company internal list serving. One of the requirements is that anyone with access to the list server be allowed to create and manage lists. Is this possible? If so, how? Is there a "create list" role that can be added for all registered users? Thanks

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accept mails from several Users, not list members beside members, howto
by Lars Schimmer 13 Jul '21

13 Jul '21

Hi I do look out for a method to accept mails from list members and a number of 20-30 Email addresses (not list members) to a mailing list. All others should be denied to post to the list. I can add those as non-members, but AFAIK I cannot define a special rule for them in "message acceptance". Under "message acceptance" the line "non-members" is set to deny, but if I set it to "default procesessing" - will it allow ALL email addresses, or just the group of "non-member" users? Thank you. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

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cache files?
by Dave McGuire 13 Jul '21

13 Jul '21

Hi folks. I'm seeing quite a few .css files, thousands of them totaling 600+MB, building up in /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/CACHE/css. Some of them date back to when I set up the mm3 instance a few years ago. Is this expected, or am I missing a cron job or something to clean them up? Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Trying basic install of mailman3 in docker, but how do you set allowed hosts?
by bob B 12 Jul '21

12 Jul '21

I am starting small, My goal is just to get mailman3 running in docker and test the website access via curl from the host, then I will move on from there In the docker instructions it says SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN: The domain name from which Django will be served. To be added to ALLOWED_HOSTS in django settings. Default value is not set. This also replaces Django's default example.com SITE and becomes the default SITE (with SITE_ID=1). But where do I set the ALLOWED_HOSTS I added this to the yaml file - ALLOWED_HOSTS=127.0.0.1 under environments mailman-web: image: maxking/mailman-web:0.3 container_name: mailman-web hostname: mailman-web depends_on: - database links: - mailman-core:mailman-core - database:database volumes: - /opt/mailman/web:/opt/mailman-web-data environment: - UWSGI_STATIC_MAP=/static=/opt/mailman-web-data/static - ALLOWED_HOSTS=127.0.0.1 - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - SECRET_KEY=333blah-blah-secret - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=333someapikey ports: - "127.0.0.1:8000:8000" # HTTP - "127.0.0.1:8080:8080" # uwsgi networks: mailman: But when I try: [docker-mailman]# curl 127.0.0.1:8000 <h1>Bad Request (400)</h1>[root@bmimailmandr1 docker-mailman]# [root@bmimailmandr1 docker-mailman]# I see this in the logs [docker-mailman]# cat /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log WARNING 2021-07-08 17:40:46,979 1642 django.request Bad Request: / ERROR 2021-07-08 19:20:58,416 1641 django.security.DisallowedHost Invalid HTTP_HOST header: '127.0.0.1:8000'. You may need to add '127.0.0.1' to ALLOWED_HOSTS. WARNING 2021-07-08 19:20:59,032 1641 django.request Bad Request: / WARNING 2021-07-08 19:20:59,032 1641 django.request Bad Request: /

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Help! List traffic shunted to gmail/yahoo spam folders
by Matt Wilbur EFS 12 Jul '21

12 Jul '21

Hello, I've been through DKIM hell and back. Now I'm to the point where when I "show original" mail with gmail it says SPF, DKIM and DMARC all pass, but it's still going to the spam folders. 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List rename
by Joel Lord 07 Jul '21

07 Jul '21

I'm in an odd situation where I need to rename a bunch of lists. They were all created on mailman2 originally and migrated to mailman3 (very successfully, TYVM) but the names were all originally discuss-<foo>@domain and it's very confusing to be sure you're always sending to the correct <foo>. We want to completely rename the lists to <foo>-discuss@domain. These lists do not keep archives, so if I have to resort to extracting the subscriber lists and the configs and building new lists, I'm completely fine with that. Problem is, I'm really used to MM2 and config_list and could do this without thinking using those tools... that I don't have. Running MM3 3.2.2 trying to make this happen. Any assistance I could get will be greatly appreciated. THANKS! -- Joel Lord Web Administrator, Alpha Psi Omega Grand Cast etc... etc... etc...

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Mailman3 in docker help
by bader＠cchmc.org 07 Jul '21

07 Jul '21

Trying to get mailman3 stood up in Docker and having some issues following the instructions. Currently my docker-web image is not running. Today it won't start, yesterday it was exiting with 0 status immediately. [root@mailman3dockerhost docker-mailman]# docker ps CONTAINER ID IMAGE COMMAND CREATED STATUS PORTS NAMES 0d7e6be7cf80 maxking/mailman-core:0.3 "docker-entrypoint.s…" 18 hours ago Up 3 seconds 127.0.0.1:8001->8001/tcp, 127.0.0.1:8024->8024/tcp mailman-core d1071c541bda postgres:9.6-alpine "docker-entrypoint.s…" 18 hours ago Up 7 seconds 5432/tcp dockermailman_database_1 [root@mailman3dockerhostdocker-mailman]# For my .yaml file I added in the " - ALLOWED_HOSTS=['*',]" in mailman-web thinking that was the issue. I am also not sure about networks, I have ports setup but no IP's i.e ---------------------------- ports: - "127.0.0.1:8000:8000" # HTTP - "127.0.0.1:8080:8080" # uwsgi networks: mailman: ---------------------------- but some examples I have come across have IPs, but no ports listed ---------------------------- networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.2 ---------------------------- I thought access to the container's are from the Docker's Host machines IP and the port I specify in the .yaml file. Also I am running the docker as root, just to test, but what is the best practice for running the mailman containers? ---------- here is my yaml file with some bits removed for security [root@host docker-mailman]# cat docker-compose.yaml version: '2' services: mailman-core: image: maxking/mailman-core:0.3 container_name: mailman-core hostname: mailman-core volumes: - /opt/mailman/core:/opt/mailman/ stop_grace_period: 30s links: - database:database depends_on: - database environment: - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_CLASS=mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=********* ports: - "127.0.0.1:8001:8001" # API - "127.0.0.1:8024:8024" # LMTP - incoming emails networks: mailman: mailman-web: image: maxking/mailman-web:0.3 container_name: mailman-web hostname: mailman-web depends_on: - database links: - mailman-core:mailman-core - database:database volumes: - /opt/mailman/web:/opt/mailman-web-data environment: - ALLOWED_HOSTS=['*',] - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=********* - DEBUG=TRUE - SECRET_KEY=********* - SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN=domain.hostname.org - MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER=lists - MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL=admin(a)domain.hostname.org ports: - "127.0.0.1:8000:8000" # HTTP - "127.0.0.1:8080:8080" # uwsgi networks: mailman: database: environment: - POSTGRES_DB=mailmandb - POSTGRES_USER=mailman - POSTGRES_PASSWORD=******* image: postgres:9.6-alpine volumes: - /opt/mailman/database:/var/lib/postgresql/data networks: mailman: networks: mailman:

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Re: Editing a Subscriber's Mailman 3 list Settings
by Mark Sapiro 01 Jul '21

01 Jul '21

On 7/1/21 12:28 PM, Terry Earley wrote: > Postorius Version 1.1.2 Which was released in December, 2017. I don't offhand know which version fixed it, but I'm sure it's been fixed. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Editing a Subscriber's Mailman 3 list Settings
by Terry Earley 01 Jul '21

01 Jul '21

Admin users can edit subscriber's Mailman list settings. Once that subscriber registers as a user, then only he/she can edit. Admin no longer has permission to change these settings. [image: editSubscriberByAdmin.gif] Terry Earley

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Re: Mailman - delete or backup old archived messages
by Lucia Moreno 01 Jul '21

01 Jul '21

Hi Mark, We are facing the same issue. My postgres database is growing too fast and I would need to do some creaning of old archives dated from 2001 and keep only the last, lets say... 5 years. Could you please help us with the development of such a script? I have no experience in python. Thanks a lot in advance, Lucia

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How to secure LMTP transport?
by Adam Minski 30 Jun '21

30 Jun '21

Hello, what is recommended to secure traffic to LMTP port 8024 by SSL/TLS? Thx Adam

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mailman web spamming uwsgi error log.
by Sarah H 29 Jun '21

29 Jun '21

I'm having an issue with the mailman web logs (/opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log) spamming the below: 20:53:44 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month] - MailingList matching query does not exist. : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 436, in worker res = f(*task["args"], **task["kwargs"]) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 79, in _rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 417, in get self.model._meta.object_name hyperkitty.models.mailinglist.MailingList.DoesNotExist: MailingList matching query does not exist. the best match I can find in the archives is https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… I have used suggested command there (/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs recent_threads_cache) as well as manually running the hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly crons manually and all run successfully but I'm still getting the same entries spamming the logs to the point that when I discovered this the logs were 9.6GB in size. I do not have a list named "MailingList".

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Re: List rename
by Christina A Hilfer 28 Jun '21

28 Jun '21

Hi Joel, I know it's been a while since you found your work around but can you give the exact steps prior to the update SQL commands you provided? I am getting a syntax error on the first one and I have not been able to figure out how to move forward. Thanks, Christina [cid:image001.png@01D76C01.D1DFEF40]<http://www.unr.edu/> Christina Hilfer Senior Application Specialist Office of Information Technology - IT Operations 1664 N Virginia Street Reno, NV 89557 work-phone: 775-784-1967<tel:775-784-1967> email: chilfer(a)unr.edu<mailto:chilfer@unr.edu> website: http://oit.unr.edu/

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Help with some 'withlist' configuration changes
by David Partain 23 Jun '21

23 Jun '21

Hi, Firstly, a repeat that I have a relatively broken (and soon to be fixed, I hope) installation of mailman3 based on Ubuntu 18.04 distrib packages (3.1.1-9) that stumbles along by me dealing with a bunch of things by hand that I hope'll go away once I'm up to the current version. In this set-up, I get a fair number of items shunted. Since I have this wonky version where stuff isn't always exposed in the web interface, I have to fix these things by hand. An example is that something gets shunted because of too many recipients, where I do: sudo -u list mailman withlist somemailmanlist m.max_num_recipients = 0 commit() sudo -u list mailman unshunt I've managed to find a number of these, such as m.max_message_size, m.require_explicit_destination, and m.administrivia. My questions are undoubtedly foolish, but here goes: 1. Is there any way to print the entire 'm' structure? If so, I'd perhaps be able to figure out the answers to my other questions. 2. Is there a way for me to correct the following shunt-ing issues with 'withlist'? I've been unable to figure out how... a. 'moderation_reasons': [ 'Message has no subject'] / 'rule_hits': ['no-subject'] b. Some things get caught as 'rule_hits': ['nonmember-moderation']. However, if I look in the (web-based) config, it shows that non-members should be accepted but the messages are shunted nonetheless. I don't know what to look for in 'm' or how I might clear these messages. 3. I have no idea what these are telling me to do about digest messages. Suggestions? This is the entire info I get from 'mailman qfile': ------------------------------------------------------snip snip---------------------------------------------- [----- start pickle -----] <----- start object 1 -----> <----- start object 2 -----> { '_parsemsg': False, 'digest_number': 457, 'digest_path': '/var/lib/mailman3/lists/somelist/digest.31.457.mmdf', 'lang': 'en', 'listid': 'somelistid', 'version': 3, 'volume': 31, 'whichq': 'digest'} [----- end pickle -----] ------------------------------------------------------snip snip---------------------------------------------- 4. I have some that have 'rule_hits': [] (it's empty) but are shunted nonetheless. I can't see anything weird other than one of the messages has a utf-8 subject. Any ideas? 5. Some messages that were sent to -request addresses (e.g., subscribe messages, confirm, approve messages) are being shunted. What should I do with these? Thanks for your patience. Cheers, David

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Mailman3 service on mailman-3.3.4 is not getting started
by Shashikanth Komandoor 23 Jun '21

23 Jun '21

Hi team, I am trying to install mailman 3.3.4, the currently available latest version at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html on RHEL 7.5. As part of the installation, I am not creating any user with the name *mailman* and instead going with the *root* user only. Along with that I am using the directory */var/lib/mailman* as the root directory. Also, I have rsyslog service running on my machine and using postgresql-11 as the database service. My mailman3 service looks like this: # cat /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service [Unit] Description=GNU Mailing List Manager After=rsyslog.target network.target postgresql-11.service [Service] Type=forking PIDFile=/var/lib/mailman/var/master.pid User=root Group=root ExecStart=/var/lib/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start ExecReload=/var/lib/mailman/venv/bin/mailman restart ExecStop=/var/lib/mailman/venv/bin/mailman stop [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target Now, the issue is while I am trying to start the service, it is showing the below error and the status looks like as following: # systemctl start mailman3 Job for mailman3.service failed because a configured resource limit was exceeded. See "systemctl status mailman3.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. # systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; disabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: failed (Result: resources) since Wed 2021-06-23 12:51:27 IST; 1min 7s ago Process: 16277 ExecStart=/var/lib/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: os.execl(*execl_args) Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/os.py", line 527, in execl Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: execv(file, args) Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: TypeError: expected str, bytes or os.PathLike object, not NoneType Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: Starting Mailman's master runner Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: Generating MTA alias maps Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in systemd[1]: PID file /var/lib/mailman/var/master.pid not readable (yet?) after start. Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in systemd[1]: Unit mailman3.service entered failed state. Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in systemd[1]: mailman3.service failed. I can't understand where the issue might be. Thank you in advance. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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PermissionError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
by Sarah H 22 Jun '21

22 Jun '21

The system we are running mailman 3 on crashed, it filled the drive, and when it was restarted and the issue cleared I found that mailman3 will not start, it returns the following: Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.4', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 829, in __call__ Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 782, in main Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: rv = self.invoke(ctx) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 68, in invoke Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return super().invoke(ctx) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1259, in invoke Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1066, in invoke Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 610, in invoke Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return callback(*args, **kwargs) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 21, in new_func Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 91, in start Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: status, lock = master_state() Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 104, in master_state Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: os.kill(pid, 0) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: PermissionError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted Jun 21 14:12:29 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited status=1 Jun 21 14:12:29 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. this is via starting as root with systemctl start mailman3, or as the user mailman using /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start originally there was a similar error PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman/mm/var/locks/master.lck' and another similar error (that I can't find presently) for the logfile, both were owned by root when I checked them so I changed the owner back to mailman. anyone have any insight? there isn't much in the way of description on the error so I'm not sure what it's lacking permissions on. (and tried chown -R for the /opt/mailman folder already since everything there should be owned by mailman anyway)

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integrate subscribe form in Website -> CSRF-token
by Jens Günther 22 Jun '21

22 Jun '21

Hello, we wanted to integrate a subscribe-form in our website after Update from Mailman2 to Mailman3. Before it was quiet easy and supposedly still is, but we can't figure out what to do with the CSRF-token-problem. Is there anywhere a documentation on this? We can't find one. If not, I would like to post more on what we tried with the html-code and what is coming up afterwards. (forbidden 403 - CSRF-verification failed. Request aborted.) Thanks in advance! Jens.

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Bounce Score
by Jeff 22 Jun '21

22 Jun '21

Is there an easy way to determine a list member’s bounce score and/or reset that to zero? Thanks much, Jeff

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How to identify the exact reason behind the shunting of the mails ?
by Shashikanth Komandoor 20 Jun '21

20 Jun '21

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in-built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.7 version with default values. I am almost running 2000 lists with 128 GB RAM and 24 Cores on a single VM and on which all the mailman 3 components are running. I have been running this setup in production for the past 2 years and 6 months. From the beginning of the above setup until recent days, I observed a few mails moving to the shunt queue now and then. But from recent days it is observed that many mails are moving to the shunt queue. I browsed many websites but I could not get a proper resolution for identifying the exact reason behind the shunting of the mails. Because of which I had been asking the user to resend the mails instead of suggesting the user regarding the issue properly. I in fact used the command "mailman qfile <filename.pck>" even then I don't understand what might be wrong with the mail composition. Most of the time I see *unknown-8bit* in To or CC fields and I don't know if it is linked with the reason for shunting or not and I don't get any clue from it either. Is there any chance to find out the reason for shunting of the mails through any means ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings'
by Michela 18 Jun '21

18 Jun '21

Hello! I've just set up Mailman 3 with Hyperkitty and Postorius in venv via pip by using the guide at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… on Oracle Linux 8.3 with Python 3.6.8. The process seemed to go smoothly and without errors. The log file, /opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log, contains the following stack trace, however. Note the bit toward the bottom: "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings'" Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 224, in fetch_command app_name = commands[subcommand] KeyError: 'qcluster' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 30, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 401, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 395, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 231, in fetch_command settings.INSTALLED_APPS File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 76, in __getattr__ self._setup(name) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 63, in _setup self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 142, in __init__ mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 994, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 971, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 953, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings' [uwsgi-daemons] throttling "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster" for 245 seconds [uwsgi-daemons] respawning "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster" (uid: 1002 gid: 1002) Mailman and mailman-web do start without errors when I run them via their systemd unit files and Postorius serves up pages (without styles and such, which I'll fix later). SELinux is disabled, at least while I work through this issue. I've gone over the configuration files, and everything appears to be in order as written in the installation instructions, but that's likely not the case. :) My configuration files outside of the Mailman virtual environment are in /etc/mailman/: (venv) [mailman@host ~]$ ls /etc/mailman3/ mailman.cfg __pycache__ settings.py uwsgi.ini When searching the web about this, I only found one result, on this very list, but it didn't have quite enough information for me to solve my issue. It might also not quite be the same problem: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Might you be able to point me in the right direction on solving this issue? Please tell me if there is any more information I can provide to that end. Best, Michela

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Mailman - delete or backup old archived messages
by olenkoigetublim＠gmail.com 18 Jun '21

18 Jun '21

Hello Mailman team! I have been using Mailman-Suite (Hyperkitty + Postorius) quite a long time now and now i was wondering if there is any way to erase or export old archived messages and back them up elsewhere (for example messages, that are older then 1 year). Didnt find any suitable option under "python3 manage.py" command and also didnt find any up to date post which related to mailman3 and python3. Additional info: *Database: Postgresql13 *Mailman version: 3.3.4 *Python version: 3.6 Br, Dim

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Mailman archive issues (Hyperkitty)
by klillipuu＠gmail.com 16 Jun '21

16 Jun '21

Hello All! I hope its a right place to write my concern about Mailman Hyperkitty. I have same quite odd issues lately and since I'm less experienced with Mailman, any help is welcome. So i have like hybrid version pip installation, where mailman v3 is using python3 and hyperkitty is using python2 (if im correct). I also mention, that hyperkitty is a pretty old version - 1.1.4. The main issue is that if i try to open some large-scale archived list, then i get "504 Gateway Time-out" error on webUI. Any ideas, where could i start improving the situation - should i try to upgrade some packages or do i need to give more resources to host ? Extra information: * I have also noticed some memory violation issues which has caused by uwsgi. * Segfaulting process - kernel: python[25870]: segfault at 24 ip 00007f9decb9a6ea sp 00007ffc413bb3d0 error 6 in libpython2.7.so.1.0[7f9decb10000+17e000] Output from mailman.log: HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: <html> <head><title>504 Gateway Time-out</title></head> <body> <center><h1>504 Gateway Time-out</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.16.1</center> </body> </html> (504) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: <html> <head><title>504 Gateway Time-out</title></head> <body> <center><h1>504 Gateway Time-out</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.16.1</center> </body> </html> (1808) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 210, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: <html> <head><title>504 Gateway Time-out</title></head> <body> <center><h1>504 Gateway Time-out</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.16.1</center> </body> </html>

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#mailman irc channel moving to libera.chat
by Abhilash Raj 15 Jun '21

15 Jun '21

Hey Everyone, As some of you might already know that Freenode IRC server now has new owners and most of the volunteer staff have decided to move away from it to create a new IRC server libera.chat[1] due to the policies of the new owners. Along with many other open source projects, we have also decided to move away from freenode to use libera.chat instead. We have registered #mailman there and will be using that as primary IRC channel for Mailman things. Freenode has also decided to drop all registrations, so, #mailman channel there is no longer registered to any member of Mailman Core team as of some time earlier today (Tue June 15th). [1]: https://libera.chat/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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docker-mailman Bump to 3.3.4
by matthew＠alberti.us 11 Jun '21

11 Jun '21

Hi Mailman Docker Maintainer(s) (maxking 😊 ), Just wanted to see if the docker-mailman will be bumped to 3.3.4. I believe docker-mailman release 0.3.11 is the latest release, and that gives us Mailman 3.3.3. Thank you. - Matt Alberti

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OS update 18.04 -> 20.04 with Python 3.6 -> 3.8
by Torge Riedel 06 Jun '21

06 Jun '21

Hi, just want to report that updating my server's OS from Ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 including an upgrade from Python 3.6 to 3.8 worked 75% on the mailman3 installation. Stopping and disabling the service before prevented most of the problems, but I forget to disable the cron jobs. **sigh** So whenever you have to upgrade your OS including python, don't forget the cron jobs. After OS upgrade I renamed both "venv" directories and rebuild them from my notes. Worked. Starting up mailman-core was easy. Getting mailman-web back to work was a little tricky: 1. After rebuild I forgot to run the post-update script, overseen that in my notes. **sigh #2** 2. My uwsgi-emperor was totally confused and needed some guidance and manual remove of .sock file 3. Finally I got this in the logs: /opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/conf.py:139: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than timeout, failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion. Seehttps://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details. warn( I checked the reference file from here: |https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/raw/master/mailman-suite_project/settings.py?inline=false| and it misses the "retry" value. After adding it to Q_CLUSTER everything works fine. Kind regards Torge

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Long-shot cry for help
by David Partain 03 Jun '21

03 Jun '21

Hi, I'm having severe operational issues with my mailman3 site. My site is built on standard Ubuntu packages (18.04), and they're ancient. I'm having two big issues... 1. I have the old smiley problem that I've had from the very beginning and never solved. I have added 'charset': 'utf8mb4' to the relevant config file (/etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py), but that hasn't "taken", in the sense that the calls to mysql do not include the charset stuff. /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py links to /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py and there is no file /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.pyc. I moved it out of the way hoping it'd get re-built, but it has not been in the months since. The result of this that I get hundreds of mail messages to root (thousands, really), rapidly filling / with mail in /var/mail/root and logging in /var/log/mail.log. The mail has something like "Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive" and "DataError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive (1366, u"Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x98\\x8A\\x0D\\x0A...' for column 'content' at row 1")" I have tried to trace to figure out what file is _actually_ controlling the calls to mysql. There's a file called /var/lib/ucf/cache/:etc:mailman3:mailman-web.py as well, but I have no idea what that is or if it might be used. Is there something like 'mailman info' for mailman-web so I can see what files are being used? I'd love to fix this... 2. There's this one curious cron job... * * * * * www-data [ -f /usr/bin/django-admin ] && python2.7 /usr/bin/django-admin runjobs minutely --pythonpath /usr/share/mailman3-web --settings settings (yes, I know python2.7 is a problem... see the last paragraph below). These jobs start piling up. They run & run & run, and eventually the machine screeches to halt when it runs out of memory and goes belly up. This is a relatively recent development. After a while, I'll have 5 or 6 or more of these all running, looking something like this: www-data 6366 6364 99 15:00 ? 00:12:27 python2.7 /usr/bin/django-admin runjobs minutely --pythonpath /usr/share/mailman3-web --settings settings What this means in practice right now is that I'm forced to go in and kill these on a regular basis or the machine _will_ die and people _will_ shout at me. Does anyone have any idea why these might not be finishing? Can I comment this out completely & live happier? Any help whatsoever? ----------------------------------- Finally, I should add that I know my current installation is fundamentally flawed because I chose to go with distro packages. I simply cannot fix it. My strong recommendation to others who follow me is that they do NOT do this. Bite the bullet and install via pip... I'm now in the process of setting up a new server that is completely based on the latest via pip installation. I have to get away from what I have or lose my sanity. Cheers, David

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Send MySQL data to mailman list for distribution
by Zden Pos 02 Jun '21

02 Jun '21

I'm trying to connect existing MySQL data to the Mailman distribution list. Actually, a message is sent from the web page. It remains on this page and is also stored in the MySQL table on the provider server. This is working fine. I have also existing Mailman distribution list generated from the cPanel on the provider server as well. This list is working fine when used for a direct mailing. I need to link the MySQL table to the Mailman distribution list. When the message is posted on the web page and stored in the MySQL table, it is also to be sent to members as per the Mailman distribution list. I don't know where to configure it. In the phpMyAdmn page of the MySQL or in the Malman menu ? Thank you for your help

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Getting connection timed out
by blackout69 01 Jun '21

01 Jun '21

Hello everybody, for a couple of days I have been seeing several lines calling these on /var/log/mail.log May 22 18:22:57 glugct postfix/qmgr[21205]: 0ACE641C1B: from=<lug-bounces(a)catania.linux.it>, size=3698, nrcpt=9 (queue active) May 22 18:23:06 glugct postfix/qmgr[27175]: 0ACE641C1B: from=<lug-bounces(a)catania.linux.it>, size=3698, nrcpt=9 (queue active) May 22 18:23:36 glugct postfix/smtp[27177]: 0ACE641C1B: to=<myaddress(a)simail.it>, relay=none, delay=55152, delays=55122/0.07/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail.simail.it[217.27.113.30]:25: Connection timed out) May 22 19:33:06 glugct postfix/qmgr[27175]: 0ACE641C1B: from=<lug-bounces(a)catania.linux.it>, size=3698, nrcpt=9 (queue active) May 22 19:33:36 glugct postfix/smtp[28757]: 0ACE641C1B: to=<myaddress(a)simail.it>, relay=none, delay=59352, delays=59322/0.04/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail.simail.it[217.27.113.30]:25: Connection timed out) May 22 18:33:06 glugct postfix/qmgr[27175]: 955D241C15: from=<direttivo-bounces(a)catania.linux.it>, size=11026, nrcpt=3 (queue active) May 22 18:33:36 glugct postfix/smtp[27474]: 955D241C15: to=<myaddress(a)simail.it>, relay=none, delay=124379, delays=124349/0.02/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail.simail.it[217.27.113.30]:25: Connection timed out) May 22 19:43:06 glugct postfix/qmgr[27175]: 955D241C15: from=<direttivo-bounces(a)catania.linux.it>, size=11026, nrcpt=3 (queue active) May 22 19:43:36 glugct postfix/smtp[28975]: 955D241C15: to=<myaddress(a)simail.it>, relay=none, delay=128579, delays=128549/0.04/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail.simail.it[217.27.113.30]:25: Connection timed out) But always on a single email address.What could it depend on?Probable that the mail.simail.it server is blacklisted? Thank you in advanc -- blackout69

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How to store additional information about lists?
by Andreas Barth 30 May '21

30 May '21

Hi together, I need to add custom attributes to the mailing lists: "responsible department": Free text field who is responsible from an organisational pov (not a person but an entity) Enhance the boolean public to a tri-state: public, restricted audience and private (restricted audience means: some people could subscribe themself - how that works is a different topic but w/o the information this can't be achived) - of course this could also be implemented as a second boolean that e.g. splits "not public" into "restricted audience" and "private" (means: nothing goes wrong for code that doesn't know this difference). Any hints how to do that best? Is it possible to store custom attributes, or should that be stored elsewhere? Andi

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email command join - problem
by sky.x＠nazelenej.sk 28 May '21

28 May '21

Hi All Im using Mailman core 3.3.4 on Ubuntu 20.04 with python 3.8 anf have this problem with email command join. When send command to ml-request@ join address=some.email(a)domain.com Response is: Confirmation email sent to 3dsome.email(a)domain.com It add characters 3d to email and realy sent confirmation to it. Also help command for join return me join [digest=<no|mime|plain>] [address=user(a)example.com] But digest doesnt work as after command join digest=no address=some.email(a)domain.com i get join bad argument: digest=no I will be thankfull for any help/advice. S.

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trying to clean up the "held messages" mess
by Bjoern Franke 28 May '21

28 May '21

Hi, I migrated a Mailman3 installation on Debian10 yesterday evening from Debian packages to PIP (thanks to [1]). I think some bugs which existed before are now cleaned out, but mailman still threw exceptions when trying to get the "held messages". I went through the pendedkeyvalue table of the MySQL DB to get all request ids of the held messages and their lists and discarded the messages via curl and the REST API. Mailman also logged the discarding was successful. The amount of held messages is now reduced, but e.g. a list with 120 held messages before has till 59 held messages. And now I'm confused: where are they? Best Regards Bjoern [1]https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10

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non-member moderation: list default vs default processing
by dancab＠caltech.edu 24 May '21

24 May '21

I've started testing and importing lists from Mailman2 to Mailman3. I've found that there's an inconsistency with the non-members moderation setting. As a result we have non-members unable to email a list via Mailman3 that had no problem on Mailman2. Each time this problem has come up I've had to change the moderation setting from "List Default" to "Default Processing". But I've also noticed that some non-members were imported and already have "Default Processing" configured. Can you help me understand what determines this setting in Mailman3? It seems this would be something addressed via the mailman import21 option I've been using to import the lists. Thanks. ---- Dan Caballero Systems Administrator Academic Computing Solutions IMSS - Caltech https://imss.caltech.edu

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Intermittent: pymysql.err.InternalError: Packet sequence number wrong - got 102 expected 77
by Torge Riedel 24 May '21

24 May '21

|Hi list, sometimes I get the following error in mailman core's log: "pymysql.err.InternalError: Packet sequence number wrong - got 102 expected 77". I attached the full log after this mail. I check the provided link in the log (|||http://sqlalche.me/e/2j85|) and also searched for it on the internet and found the following possible reasons: 1. DB user does not have permissions at all -> I doubt that, because in general mailman is working ok 2. DB user is not allowed to connect from remote -> I doubt that too, because everything is on one host and DB user is allowed to connect from localhost 3. Multi-Threading -> pymysql is mentioned to be not thread-safe and each thread needs its own connection May this be caused by multi-threading? What do I have to do (is there anything I can do?) to solve this on my own?||||| Kind regards Torge || |Full log follows: [2021-05-23 07:31:45 +0200] [8244] [ERROR] Error handling request /3.1/lists?advertised=true&count=10&page=1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1284, in _execute_context cursor, statement, parameters, context File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 590, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 170, in execute result = self._query(query) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 328, in _query conn.query(q) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 517, in query self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 732, in _read_query_result result.read() File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1082, in read self._read_result_packet(first_packet) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1151, in _read_result_packet self._get_descriptions() File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1222, in _get_descriptions field = self.connection._read_packet(FieldDescriptorPacket) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 671, in _read_packet % (packet_number, self._next_seq_id)) pymysql.err.InternalError: Packet sequence number wrong - got 102 expected 77 The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 193, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "falcon/api.py", line 274, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "falcon/api.py", line 269, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 322, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 172, in _make_collection request, self._get_collection(request)) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 167, in _paginate return list_start, total_size, collection[list_start:list_end] File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/utilities/queries.py", line 42, in __getitem__ return self._query[index] File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3149, in __getitem__ return list(res) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3481, in __iter__ return self._execute_and_instances(context) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3506, in _execute_and_instances result = conn.execute(querycontext.statement, self._params) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1020, in execute return meth(self, multiparams, params) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/sql/elements.py", line 298, in _execute_on_connection return connection._execute_clauseelement(self, multiparams, params) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1139, in _execute_clauseelement distilled_params, File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1324, in _execute_context e, statement, parameters, cursor, context File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1518, in _handle_dbapi_exception sqlalchemy_exception, with_traceback=exc_info[2], from_=e File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/compat.py", line 178, in raise_ raise exception File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1284, in _execute_context cursor, statement, parameters, context File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 590, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 170, in execute result = self._query(query) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 328, in _query conn.query(q) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 517, in query self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 732, in _read_query_result result.read() File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1082, in read self._read_result_packet(first_packet) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1151, in _read_result_packet self._get_descriptions() File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1222, in _get_descriptions field = self.connection._read_packet(FieldDescriptorPacket) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 671, in _read_packet % (packet_number, self._next_seq_id)) sqlalchemy.exc.InternalError: (pymysql.err.InternalError) Packet sequence number wrong - got 102 expected 77 [SQL: SELECT mailinglist.list_id AS mailinglist_list_id, mailinglist.preferred_language AS mailinglist_preferred_language, mailingli$ FROM mailinglist WHERE mailinglist.advertised = true ORDER BY mailinglist.list_id LIMIT %(param_1)s] [parameters: {'param_1': 10}] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/2j85) |

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Unknown attribute: process_bounces
by xlefloch＠alwaysdata.com 21 May '21

21 May '21

Hello, I've upgraded my Mailman installation from those versions: mailman==3.2.2 postorius==1.2.4 mailmanclient==3.2.2 To those ones: mailman==3.3.0 postorius==1.3.3 mailmanclient==3.3.2 I'm having issues in Postorius in the settings section: Unknown attribute: process_bounces. When i'm printing the settings list for the concerned list retrieved by the REST API, i'am missing all the parameters related to the management of bounces. In the "mailinglist" table of the Mailman database, i have the columns managing these parameters. Anyone have any ideas? Regards,

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New Mailman 3 installation issues
by sarah.hartt＠ionica.ca 21 May '21

21 May '21

I have been trying to get a mailman 3 installation working for longer than I'd like to admit. Core appears to be installed and working as desired but Postorius (and hyperkitty, but I haven't even started troubleshooting it while trying to get the web interface working) is only loading the main page with no lists shown and all remaining links return a server error (specific text is: "Server error An error occurred while processing your request." with the error text highlighted). I think I followed all of the installation instructions, including the updated pythonpath line in the systemd module, but it's entirely possible that there is an error somewhere along the way. I have had to make two minor tweaks, the /static/ location was moved from /opt/mailman/web/static to /var/www/mailman/ (owner mailman:nginx) as nginx was giving permissions errors (even if it owned the files or with the mod set to 777) with the default location and wouldn't load the css, and installed postgres directly from their repo as the method in the guide doesn't create the user. Aside from that everything should be exactly as laid out in the installation guide. The logs are showing everything running and the DB logs show all the queries going through successfully, there are no errors in the web logs corresponding with the errors being served on the site aside an entry for a 500 in the access logs [18/May/2021:12:13:01] "GET /archives/ HTTP/1.1" 500 1102 "http://mailman3/mailman3/lists/" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/89.0.4389.91 Safari/537.36" "-" when I took a look in the DB tables many of them appear to be empty, I have a few lists in core that were imported from 2.1 but no new lists created. Mailman: 3.3.4 Postorius: 1.3.4 OS: Oracle Linux 8.3 Python: 3.6 postgres: 13.2

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timezone in hyperkitty
by erlonmz＠hotmail.com 21 May '21

21 May '21

How do I change the hyperkitty timezone?

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Re: [EXTERNAL] [Mailman-Users] Re: Help with 'The message has no valid senders'
by Mark Sapiro 21 May '21

21 May '21

On 5/19/21 10:37 AM, McGuire, Tommy M. (MSFC-IS90)[EAST2] wrote: > > Here are (what I think are :-)) the anonymized relevant parts of the smtp.log. > > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) _handle_client readline: b'MAIL FROM:<aaaaaaaaaa.a.aaaaa-1(a)nasa.gov> SIZE=11726\r\n' > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) ('127.0.0.1', 52130) >> b'MAIL FROM:<aaaaaaaaaa.a.aaaaa-1(a)nasa.gov> SIZE=11726' > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) ('127.0.0.1', 52130) sender: aaaaaaaaaa.a.aaaaa-1(a)nasa.gov > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) ('127.0.0.1', 52130) << b'250 OK' > ... > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) DATA readline: b'From: "Aaaaa, Aaaaaaaaaa A. (location)[employer,\r\n' > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) DATA readline: b' Inc.]" <aaaaaaaaaa.a.aaaaa-1(a)nasa.gov>\r\n' That all looks good. I don't understand what's wrong. Can you apply the attached patch to mailman/rules/no_senders.py and see what you get in Mailman's debug.log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Can't deliver mails in queue
by Nathanael Schneider 20 May '21

20 May '21

Hello, I have stumbled upon some weird issues with my migration to mailman3.. I've followed the step by step instructions for installing mm3 manually in a venv with postfix and virtual aliases (if that is of any significance). Now the Problem is, that some lists don't deliver EMails at all. The list was one which I migrated with the mailman21 command. But the Mail I sent did not get through to no one and the mailman logs did not show anything. I then created a completely new List which did not exists in mm2.1, subscribed two addresses and sent myself an EMail. That one worked as intended. I then deleted the whole broken list and created it cleanly, added the same two people, sent an email and nothing. Did not show up in the Moderation Queue or anywhere. it also doesn't get shunted. It just never arrives. I then turned the log level to debug on the smtp module. And I only get the following statement, ever repeating, never ending: [...] May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object at 0x7fb49b143780> May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) IndividualDelivery to: nathanael(a)lumenliquid.net May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object at 0x7fb4974541d0> May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) IndividualDelivery to: nathanael(a)lumenliquid.net May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object at 0x7fb4978db438> May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) IndividualDelivery to: nathanael(a)lumenliquid.net May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object at 0x7fb497f05f28> May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) IndividualDelivery to: nathanael(a)lumenliquid.net May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object at 0x7fb4978adb38> May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) IndividualDelivery to: nathanael(a)lumenliquid.net [...] I have no clue what to do with this. I then turned the debug module loglevel to debug. Also nothing useful. Just an endless list of [...] May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f2faf384c80>: <B9531076-2480-4925-9A2B-57802B53D5ED(a)gmx.de> May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7203) [ArchiveRunner] starting oneloop May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7203) [ArchiveRunner] ending oneloop: 0 May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] finishing filebase: 1621441049.4089153+6dff56673dc64b890dd352941267782c264586dd May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] doing periodic May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] committing transaction May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] checking short circuit May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] ending oneloop: 1 May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloop May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1621441049.4628382+6a0437ea387a2508ad947c0a51712075cbdb6d2e May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefile May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f2faf384c80>: <B9531076-2480-4925-9A2B-57802B53D5ED(a)gmx.de> [...] Which also tells me nothing I can understand. I have no clue what's going wrong. (I've turned on debugging both on the original member list and the reduced member list. Both hang on the first delivery they do). If I restart mailman, the message gets correctly shunted as it is interrupted mid-delivery. My maillogs don't register any activity beside the listpost. Any ideas what I need to do to figure out what's not working here or where the culprit could be? Not sure if it is related to the mailinglist being in mailman2.1 before. -- Nathanael Schneider

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Bounce counter visibility for List Admins
by smorytko＠gmail.com 19 May '21

19 May '21

As you may know, we use MM3 but the Affinity/Empathy flavor and we only have List Administrator using the Postorious/Affinity. Unlike many here, we have no access to any server-based files. Can someone tell me if Postorious gives list administrators visibility into the bounce counters? While List Admins get to set various bounce counters we have no visibility of those counters until, all of a sudden, an entire source of subscribers hits the bounce threshold and gets bounced off the list. It would be really nice to be able to see the bounce counters and possibly head off trouble before users/subscriber mail hosts. It can serve as an effective early warning system that something is wrong. Assuming Postorious cannot, is there another way List Admins can inspect bounce counters? Email command? Thanks - Steve

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Re: [EXTERNAL] [Mailman-Users] Re: Help with 'The message has no valid senders'
by Mark Sapiro 19 May '21

19 May '21

Putting this back on the list. On 5/19/21 9:46 AM, McGuire, Tommy M. (MSFC-IS90)[EAST2] wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ... >> Have you set >> ``` >> [mailman] >> sender_headers: ... >> ``` >> in mailman.cfg?, and if so, to what? > > We have not changed it: > > [mailman] sender_headers: from from_ reply-to sender > > According to the smtp.log, there was an envelope sender ("MAIL FROM:.."), which matched the From header. In the example I'm looking at right now, the sender was not a member of the list, but the Accept these non-members box in the list settings has a regexp that matches the sender's domain. In another example from this morning, to a different list, the envelope sender and From header match, and is a member of the list. > > I don't see any obvious reason or configuration setting that would make either address invalid. First of all, the discard has nothing to do with whether the sender has any connection to the list. It only says the message had no sender at all. Assuming the message had a From: with a syntactically valid email address, this discard should not occur. Also, if the envelope (MAIL FROM:) was a syntactically valid email address, this discard should not occur. The address is validated by mailman/email/validate.py by first splitting it into `local_part`, `@`, `[domain_parts]` where domain_parts are the `between dots` parts of the domain and then validating the local_part and domain with regexps defined per > # What other characters should be allowed? > _valid_local = re.compile("[-0-9a-z!#$%&'*+./=?@_`{}~]", re.IGNORECASE) > # Strictly speaking, both ^ and | are allowed and others are allowed in quoted > # local parts, but this can open the door to certain web exploits so we don't > # allow them. > _valid_domain = re.compile('[-a-z0-9]', re.IGNORECASE) > # These are the only characters allowed in domain parts. Does the From: local part or the MAIL FROM: contain any characters not in the [-0-9a-z!#$%&'*+./=?@_`{}~] class? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/
by Mark Dadgar 19 May '21

19 May '21

I have a user attempting to access the list archives and he’s generating this login error. I have verified that he does have a django account. I’ve never seen this one before and I didn’t find anything relevant in the lit archives. Any ideas what’s going on here? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 ----------------------------------------------- From: noreply(a)pdc-racing.net Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ Date: May 18, 2021 at 2:38:20 PM PDT To: mark(a)pdc-racing.net Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ MultipleObjectsReturned at /accounts/login/ get() returned more than one EmailAddress -- it returned 2! Request Method: POST Request URL: https://mail.pdc-racing.net/accounts/login/ Django Version: 3.0.12 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python Python Version: 3.8.5 Python Path: ['/opt/mailman/mm', '/opt/mailman/mm/', '/opt/mailman/mm/bin', '/usr/lib/python38.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.8', '/usr/lib/python3.8/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages'] Server time: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:38:20 -0700 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 43, in _wrapper return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/decorators/debug.py", line 76, in sensitive_post_parameters_wrapper return view(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 146, in dispatch return super(LoginView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 74, in dispatch response = super(RedirectAuthenticatedUserMixin, self).dispatch( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 97, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 102, in post response = self.form_valid(form) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 159, in form_valid return form.login(self.request, redirect_url=success_url) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/forms.py", line 195, in login ret = perform_login( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/utils.py", line 174, in perform_login if not _has_verified_for_login(user, email): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/utils.py", line 134, in _has_verified_for_login emailaddress = EmailAddress.objects.get_for_user(user, email) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/managers.py", line 54, in get_for_user ret = self.get(user=user, email__iexact=email) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 419, in get raise self.model.MultipleObjectsReturned( Exception Type: MultipleObjectsReturned at /accounts/login/ Exception Value: get() returned more than one EmailAddress -- it returned 2! Request information: USER: AnonymousUser

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OS upgrade - anything to take care of?
by Torge Riedel 15 May '21

15 May '21

Dear MM3 users, today I upgraded one of two servers from Ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 and - besides some minor config updates - postfix & dovecot worked well afterwards. So I am very optimistic that the upgrade of the second server from 18.04 to 20.04 will also work fine. But the second server is running MM3 (installed in venv) and I saw that on upgrade Python 3.8 is installed. Is there anything I have to take care of? Anything to do / change in venv? Kind regards Torge

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Re: Core, Hyperkitty and Postorius releases
by Odhiambo Washington 15 May '21

15 May '21

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 2:52 PM Jeff Steele <jeff(a)steele.com> wrote: > > > On May 14, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > /bin/sh: sass: Permission denied* > > > > Did you check the permissions on your sass binary? > My mailman installed in /opt/mailman/mm find /opt/mailman/ -type f -name sass yielded nothing! pip3 install sass generated so many errors then ended with: ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python -u -c 'import io, os, sys, setuptools, tokenize; sys.argv[0] = '"'"'/tmp/pip-install-cltizg93/sass_9783b9d070744303b5c04271674abc23/setup.py'"'"'; __file__='"'"'/tmp/pip-install-cltizg93/sass_9783b9d070744303b5c04271674abc23/setup.py'"'"';f = getattr(tokenize, '"'"'open'"'"', open)(__file__) if os.path.exists(__file__) else io.StringIO('"'"'from setuptools import setup; setup()'"'"');code = f.read().replace('"'"'\r\n'"'"', '"'"'\n'"'"');f.close();exec(compile(code, __file__, '"'"'exec'"'"'))' install --record /tmp/pip-record-1g2omozl/install-record.txt --single-version-externally-managed --compile --install-headers /opt/mailman/mm/venv/include/site/python3.7/sass Check the logs for full command output. I will have to blow away mailman and start afresh. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v "^$|^.*#" :-)

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Core, Hyperkitty and Postorius releases
by Abhilash Raj 15 May '21

15 May '21

Hey Everyone, I am pleased to announce new stable releases for Mailman Core, Postorius, Hyperkitty. These include both new features and bug fixes. Complete change log for each components: Mailman Core 3.3.3: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… Postorius 1.3.4 https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html Hyperkitty 1.3.4 : https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html Minimum supported Python version is 3.6. You can install them using: $ pip install --upgrade postorius hyperkitty mailman We have also recently been working on making the installation instructions[1] to be more detailed and added a new FAQ[2] section for administrators where I hope to capture common questions from mailman-users list. Feedback or Merge Requests to improve these docs are welcome. You can either send an email or open an issue on Gitlab (easier to track) here[3]. [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html [2]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html [3]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/issues Thanks to everyone who helped out with with this release and contributed if any way! :) thanks, Abhilash Raj On behalf of Mailman Core Team

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Hyperkitty download mbox
by Andrew Hodgson 14 May '21

14 May '21

Hi, Hyperkitty 1.3.4. I am trying to download a complete list mbox by going to all threads view and using the download option. I have tried a couple of tools (Gunzip and Winrar) and both are giving me an unexpected end of file when trying to decompress the gz file. Here is the list URL I am using: https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/hyperkitty/list/plextalk@lists.hodgsonfamil… Any suggestions? Thanks. Andrew.

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Sad news - Brian Carpenter
by smorytko＠gmail.com 13 May '21

13 May '21

https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/21066847/Brian-Keith-Carpenter/wa… I mentioned some "unfortunate circumstances" in a recent post. An inquiry from Mark Sapiro prompted me to do a search and I sadly found this. Brian's company managed our list and on 4/22 we became aware that he was hospitalized with Covid. Rest in peace Brian. Steve Morytko

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Problems with New MM3 Installation
by Jeff 12 May '21

12 May '21

After using Mailman 2 (and possibly 1 though I don’t remember) for almost 20 years, I have just upgraded to Mailman 3. I followed the instructions here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… Things generally work, but I have run into a couple of small problems: 1) The uwsgi-error.log is filling with errors that seem to culminate in "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named ‘settings’”. My settings.py is located in “/etc/mailman3” and seems to be found by other components of MM3. This error must be coming from the cron jobs. Does anyone have any ideas how to fix this problem? 2) While old messages were imported without issue, new emails are not being archives. I see them in: mailman3/mm/var/archives/prototype/[listname]@[domain]/new But they are not being delivered. I have added this to my mailman.cfg: [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /usr/local/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg And created the "/usr/local/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg” as such: base_url: http://localhost/archives/ api_key: [key that matches “MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY” in my settings.py] Some documentation says that the url should be "http://localhost/hyperkitty/“, but url generates a page not found error on my setup while the archives are available at the “archives” url. I would greatly appreciate any assistance with these two issues. Thanks much, Jeff

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List Digest - Subject line
by smorytko＠gmail.com 12 May '21

12 May '21

Is there a way to optionally cause the Subject line to display with the text body and as a summary at the top of the digest? I ask because on our mailing list (and probably many others too) subscribers include important content in the subject line and do NOT repeat it in the body of the text. So when the digest formatting places the Subject lines at the top to create "Today's Topics" as it does for all digest subscribers, the subject line and text body are widely separated making comprehension of the message much more difficult and separating important content unless it's repeated. This also happens on our list which uses Affinity/Empathy rather than Hyperkitty. In general, while a Today's Topics summary is useful, I think it would be preferable to always include the subject line with the body (one add'l line per digest message). Again I'm wondering if this is a web front-end function, a MM3 core function, or perhaps both? I ask because if it's not a MM3 core function I'll need to ask our developer for an Empathy modification. Below is an example from an Empathy-base list that shows how difficult it is to fully comprehend messages when the subject line is separated from the text body. The same issue would seem to be present in a Hyperkitty based list: Today's Topics: 1. Wilson’s Warbler (Albert Laguna) 2. RB Nuthatch, Kent (John Johnson) 3. Happy Mothers Day Summer Tanager (Visit Today Only) (Aidan Kiley) 4. Wimisink Sora, Marsh Wren (Angela Dimmitt) 5. Stn 43 South Windsor (Paul Desjardins) 6. White-crowned Sparrows at Hammonasset (Paul Smith) 7. Re: White-crowned Sparrows at Hammonasset (Paul Smith) 730am Beaver Pond Park in New Haven. Wilson’s Warbler sporting its distinctive black cap. Very birdy with yellow warbler, blue headed vireo, ruby crowned kinglet warbling vireo joining the fun, among others. Sent from my iPhone Red-breasted Nuthatch at our feeder this morning. First time ever in our yard in 35 years! John Johnson Kent FOR TODAY ONLY: Our special friend is still here today! I would like to open it up allow more people to see him because I really hate how “clique like” the birding community is here. Anyone interested can come stop by but would need to email me letting me know they’re interested in coming first. I will check my email and then I will send my address with instructions and where they are allowed to go. Thanks! Jill (jmahar(a)udel.edu) Jill Mahar Easton 5/9 - Sora back, calling; marsh wren, near end of boardwalk - Sherman/Wimisink marsh, Rte.39 at 55. Angela Dimmitt New Milford Paul Desjardins paul.desjardins2(a)gmail.com Phone: (860) 623-3696 This morning at the end of the Vibert Road section White Crowned Sparrow and north of Vibert Road f o y 2 Indigo Buntings. Paul Desjardins Windsor Locks 2 White-crowned Sparrows at Middle Beach. At the circular road by the picnic tables. Sent from my iPhone Oops, sent too soon Paul Smith New Haven Sent from my iPhone

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Re: content filtering in version 3.1
by Simon Handfield 12 May '21

12 May '21

Hi everyone, I'm sorry to resurrect this thread from so long ago but it appeared to provide exactly the answer I was looking for, trying to manage pass_types in 3.1.1 on Ubuntu 18.04. GNU Mailman 3.1.1 (Between The Wheels) Unfortunately when I run: ./bin/mailman shell -l [list address] I receive: usage: mailman [-h] [-v] [-C CONFIG] {help,aliases,conf,create,digests,import21,info,inject,lists,members,qfile,remove,reopen,restart,shell,start,status,stop,unshunt,version,withlist} ... mailman: error: unrecognized arguments: -l Can anyone advise how I can use the -l switch to manage this setting for a list? Thanks, Simon. _ [State Library of NSW]<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> Simon Handfield Desktop and Infrastructure Leader simon.handfield(a)sl.nsw.gov.au<mailto:simon.handfield@sl.nsw.gov.au> +61 2 9273 1535 Macquarie Street, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia www.sl.nsw.gov.au<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.

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[Docs] Document on how to deploy mailman suit into HA mode
by TommyLike Hu 10 May '21

10 May '21

Hey mailman teams. We deployed mailman suite service for our community, and everything looks good to us now, but we are asking whether there are any documents on how to deploy the mailman suite service into HA mode, any document or conversation will be helpful, thanks! link: how we deploy mailman suite service in kubernetes: https://github.com/opensourceways/infra-common/tree/master/common-applicati… TommyLike openEuler infrastructure 2021/5/10

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400 Bad Request when administrator tries to selectively override member options
by ieso＠johnwillson.com 08 May '21

08 May '21

This is probably Design Intent, but I'd just like to confirm. When an administrator submits partial 'member options', it comes back with the details of a 400 - Bad Request, indicating essentially that all of the member options must be set. Screenshot: https://ibb.co/pzM5Z4m It would be a bit smoother to check that all values are selected before sending the request, and inform the administrator that they cannot selectively override member settings for their list. But most importantly, I would like to confirm that nothing is corrupt/broken in our implementation. Thanks in advance for any guidance.

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[Mailman-Users] Web interface for users (not admins)?
by Stephen J. Turnbull 08 May '21

08 May '21

Hi Skip! First, a bit of admin. Mailman 2 is still in active use, so we've split out a separate list for Mailman 3: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org. Subscribe at https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ You can use several common social media to authenticate yourself. You'll have to do the usual one-time key dance to verify your email address (sorry!) You will get good feedback from the users there (better than the OP list). ** Reply-To set, please use "reply to author" to follow up. ** Skip Montanaro writes: > So, I got to thinking... Are there any free web user (not admin) > interfaces which integrate with MM3? Yes. The HyperKitty archiver, which is part of the Mailman 3 suite[1], provides an interface for submitting posts as well as reading them, and has a few social media features (liking posts). > Something which when combined with MM3 could conceivably be an > alternative to Google Groups, (the now defunct) Yahoo! Groups, or > Groups.o? That's for your users to say. ;-) If you visit https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/ you can try it for yourself. To post, you'll need to sign up (you can do that with a Google account, and I think both GitHub and GitLab are accepted as well. > I poked around the archives a bit and browsed list.org for a few > minutes, but turned up nothing. Or rather, all I found related to > web interfaces was the admin interface. HyperKitty issues mostly have to do with importing archives. The webservice being effectively synchronous and centralized doesn't have a lot of problems as compared to email, and many feature suggestions go directly to the tracker for HyperKitty. I'm not surprised you don't find much about HyperKitty as Web UI in the list archives.

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mailman3 exim4 and debian 1 problem fconnection lost
by roberto Burceni 06 May '21

06 May '21

[Mailman-Users] mailman3 and exim4 problem in debian bullseye Good evening, I'm configuring mailman3 with exim4 on a debian 11. I followed the official documentation on mailman for exim. It seems to be all rights, but I have a problem: when I send a message to a new lists in exim logs I see that exim uses correctly mailman router and transport. Unfortunately in smtp.log in mailman3 log folder I have the following error: May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) sender: servizioinformatico(a)uicbs.it May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) Data: b'RCPT TO: <listtest-unsubscribe(a)uicbs.it>' May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) recip: listtest-unsubscribe(a)uicbs.it May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) Data: b'DATA' May 04 16:51:02 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) Data: b'QUIT' May 04 16:51:02 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) connection lost May 04 16:51:02 2021 (2337) Connection lost during _handle_client() This causes that messages are not sent from mailman to users. Have you an idea of the problem? Can it be a memory problem that causes that mailman responses are too slow and exim closes the comunication before the end? I have no other errors in other log files Thank you in advance -- Roberto Burceni Linux System Admin & PHP developer Esperto accessibilità siti web E-mail: roberto(a)robertoburceni.it Phone: +393358208080 P.iva: 04025840986mbre per il mat

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Correct way to filter auto-replies to list?
by Gary Holman 06 May '21

06 May '21

I have seen a few messages on this list regarding handling 'out of office' auto-replies. However I do not see a final resolution. What is the best practice to filter auto-replies to list: header filter or postfix milter-reject or something else? We are running dockerized Mailman 3 version 1.3.4. A list user auto-replied their vacation message to list and then the listserv created a chain-reaction of continuously replying to auto-replies by that user. There isn't really a good header option to filter from, as the subject seems to be randomized. For example: From <SENDER ADDRESS> Tue May 4 19:02:29 2021 From: Sender Name <SENDER ADDRESS> To: <LIST ADDRESS> Subject: [electronics-daq] Re: 25ad Date: Tue, 04 May 2021 20:59:57 +0200 Message-ID: <A2FB195E-5261-4F26-AF19-7AFE0B0632A5> In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3C0101017937874647-cf4b59ca-737e-4db0-9a01-85d9d43c8?= =?utf-8?q?d68-000000=40us-west-2=2Eamazonses=2Ecom=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7283775935526227777==" --===============7283775935526227777== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Gary

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Mailman 3 Web Application Startup Time or Availability - 502 Bad Gateway and Postorius
by summersan＠nclack.k12.or.us 03 May '21

03 May '21

Hello, I've been setting up a new Mailman 3 installation earlier this year, and I think things have been going okay so far. I've noticed, however, that after a long amount of time passes (for example, a weekend), when I try to visit the local Mailman 3 web application (e.g., example.mailman.site/mailman3/lists/, where it says "Postorius" at the top left corner of the page and shows a list of mailing lists in the body of the page), I sometimes get a 502 Bad Gateway type of error (referenced from my notes). As far as I can tell, this looks like a normal web server (nginx?) error. If I try visiting the Mailman 3 server location again in a web browser shortly thereafter, I still might get a 502 Bad Gateway error. If I wait a while longer (maybe a minute or more?), the Mailman 3 web application appears to load as expected. I've tried looking at the gunicorn documentation (https://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/index.html) and searching online (including in this Mailman3 mailing list) to see if there's something that can be done to fix this issue. The closest thing I can find for now is advice for something that, while possibly being technologically unrelated, includes the idea of "warmup requests", which makes me think of simply setting up some sort of script to periodically load a page on the Mailman 3 web application in order to keep it more available for visitors (https://stackoverflow.com/a/57056170). Is there a setting or something in any of the Mailman 3 related programs that could help with keeping the Mailman 3 web application up and running more often without having to resort to making an ongoing, automated request to the Mailman 3 web application? Thank you. * Note: "Mailman 3" terminology is referenced from this page: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/

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Exception with processing subscription confirmation email
by Eric Broens 29 Apr '21

29 Apr '21

Hi, A new user tried to subscribe to a mailinglist, received the confirmation mail, and replied to it. The subscriber is however not subscribed and remains listed in the "pending confirmation" list. The following exception appears in the error.log. Does anyone knows how to resolve this? In the past we didn't experience any issues and no changes but security updates have been installed. Apr 29 16:15:55 2021 (1581) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.p y", line 356, in _step_send_confirmation raise StopIteration StopIteration Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) Uncaught runner exception: Expecting ':' delimiter: line 1 column 256 (char 255) Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/command.py" , line 208, in _dispose mlist, msg, msgdata, parts, results) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/eml_confir m.py", line 54, in process mlist).confirm(token) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.p y", line 578, in confirm workflow.restore() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 146, in restore data = json.loads(state.data) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/__init__.py", line 354, in loads return _default_decoder.decode(s) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 339, in decode obj, end = self.raw_decode(s, idx=_w(s, 0).end()) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 355, in raw_decode obj, end = self.scan_once(s, idx) json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Expecting ':' delimiter: line 1 column 256 (char 255) Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) SHUNTING: 1619705788.5856323+57a1a759275c59b732cfa8e2985f76cfcc27dda5 Thanks in advance, Eric

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user mail not accepted
by Christian Stalberg 28 Apr '21

28 Apr '21

I have a user whose moderation rule is 'Accept immediately' yet when they send a message for distribution to the list, they only receive it and it is not distributed via the list. Logfile entries below. Please advise. Btw I have another list on this same instance which is running fine. Thank you. [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org HTTP/1.1" 200 453 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "POST /3.1/members/find?list_id=ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org&subscriber=christian %40sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com HTTP/1.1" 200 1257 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "PATCH /3.1/members/7186cd45bde34d4fa7e7b5ab36b97272 HTTP/1.1" 204 0 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org HTTP/1.1" 200 453 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "POST /3.1/members/find?list_id=ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org&subscriber=christian %40sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com HTTP/1.1" 200 1288 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/requests/count?token_owner=moderato r HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET /3.1/members/7186cd45bde34d4fa7e7b5ab36b97272/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 295 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2"

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Non-ascii characters missing from Pipermail archive txt and gz downloads
by Mark Dale 20 Apr '21

20 Apr '21

Mailman 2.1.34 Debian 10 Postfix Hi I'm hoping someone can shine a light on character encoding issue I've encountered. A plain-text email with non-ascii characters in the body gets posted to the list. As per Mark Sapiro's guide I've captured the incoming message to file. - https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg73469.html The message is received by Mailman with the non-ascii characters displaying correctly. The header of that message has: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In the list's mbox file and archive webpage, the message displays the non-ascii characters correctly. In the archive's downloaded .txt (and also .gz) file, the non-ascii characters are missing and displayed as "?". I've copied the message text in below, from both the correct one from the email and the erroneous .txt file. Hopefully they won't get scrambled up when I send this. Any advice on getting the non-ascii characters written into the archive .txt file would be gratefully received. Thanks, Mark === Message text as okay in mbox and as shown on the archive webpage === If one goes by the definition of veḷippaṭai as given in the Tamil Lexicon that the meaning of an ambiguous word should be disambiguated by a qualifying word, then aruvi āmpal does not conform to that definition since in the case of aruvi āmpal in Patiṟṟuppattu 63, aruvi is really made up of aru+vi, a compound. Moreover, the expression aṭai aṭuppu aṟiyā is already there to clarify that āmpal is a number and not a flower. Thus, aruvi simply provides information in addition to aṭai aṭuppu aṟiyā that āmpal is not a flower. The modern commentator Aruḷampalavaṉār also does not call it veḷippaṭai. === === Message text with missing characters in te archive's txt and gz downloads == If one goes by the definition of ve?ippa?ai as given in the Tamil Lexicon that the meaning of an ambiguous word should be disambiguated by a qualifying word, then aruvi ?mpal does not conform to that definition since in the case of aruvi ?mpal in Pati??uppattu 63, aruvi is really made up of aru+vi, a compound. Moreover, the expression a?ai a?uppu a?iy? is already there to clarify that ?mpal is a number and not a flower. Thus, aruvi simply provides information in addition to a?ai a?uppu a?iy? that ?mpal is not a flower. The modern commentator Aru?ampalava??r also does not call it ve?ippa?ai. ===

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Long lines in mail composed by HyperKitty
by Stephen J. Turnbull 19 Apr '21

19 Apr '21

Hi, [I prefer discussion be directed to mailman-developers, so Reply-To is set. But if you're not subscribed to -developers, following up here is OK, and I'll eventually summarize to -developers. Just don't followup to both.] I just noticed that among the agents that send non-conformant long lines[1] is HyperKitty. Nowadays violating the 80 octet limit is common and MUAs mostly handle it, but the 1000 octet limit is enforced by many MTAs[2] I think that HyperKitty should format mail per RFC 3676 format=flowed https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4. However, I don't use "modern" (aka crappy HTML-oriented) clients, so I don't know whether they handle format=flowed properly. Discussion greatly desired. Steve Footnotes: [1] RFC 5321: MTAs MAY impose a limit >= 1000 octets including CRLF. RFC 5322: MUST be <= 1000 octets including CRLF, SHOULD be <= 80 octets including CRLF. [2] In practice, most (?) MTAs just break the line at 998 octets and insert CRLF rather than reject the message. I assume they would break happily in the middle of a multi-byte character, i.e., any non-ASCII in a UTF-8 text.

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GNU Mailman condemns reinstatement of RMS
by Abhilash Raj 13 Apr '21

13 Apr '21

To the Mailman community, The GNU Mailman Steering Committee condemns the reinstatement of Richard M. Stallman (RMS) to the Board of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), and has taken the following actions: 1. On behalf of the GNU Mailman project, signed the letter on GitHub[1] calling for the removal of the entire FSF Board, as well as RMS himself. 2. Started exploring ways to move our financial assets, for decades managed by the FSF, to new management. The management fees are small, but this is an important symbolic protest. 3. Started exploring how to leave the GNU Project. On the one hand, if we leave but GNU wants to maintain a "GNU Mailman" project, we cannot stop them, confusing users. On the other hand, RMS is leader of the GNU Project, and has intervened in Mailman affairs on many occasions. We should forestall this in the future. We wish to explain our actions to the community. Although free exchange of software among users is a practice that goes back to days of the earliest general purpose computers, RMS was the first to propose a complete free software distribution, and is the acknowledged founder of the Free Software movement. Even leaders of the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) acknowledge this. We all owe him a debt for this. Nevertheless, the movement has matured and thrived, spawning the competitive open source movement, with whose philosophy Mailman is more closely aligned. While we acknowledge our debt to RMS, we don't need him any longer. And unfortunately, he has become both a symbol and a source of the toxicity in tech communities. The FSF Board did the right thing by accepting RMS's resignation. They did the wrong thing by reinstating him. RMS has a long history of abusive behavior and toxic political positions. A small part of it is described in the open letter on GitHub[1] and its references[2], and several members of the Steering Committee have observed it directly. All of us have heard stories directly from those who were abused or observed it directly. His political positions are public, for example his support of pedophiles. He claims that he in no way supports abusive relationships with children, yet refuses to acknowledge that children are generally in no position to provide consent, an evasive and highly toxic position. There is no question: RMS is toxic. We came for mailing list management, but we stayed for the community. We have a right to protect our community by dissociating it from toxic influences. We do not want our project associated with such a person, nor to provide economic resources to organizations that promote him to leadership positions. We are taking these actions to protect our community, both the narrow community of Mailman developers and users, and the broader open source community, from his toxic behavior and from the reputational damage that will come from helping to enable him. While we have no information suggesting that other members of the FSF Board are similarly toxic as individuals, as a group they enabled RMS for decades, and now have taken an explicit step in enabling him again. If they want to regain their position of respect and acceptance in our community, they must acknowledge their error, and we don't see -- given their reinstatement of RMS himself -- how they can do so convincingly while maintaining their positions on the Board. They must resign, and a new Board composed, to demonstrate their sincerity. What they do is up to them, of course, but if they do not take radical steps, we will continue to consider association with the FSF a threat to our community. For the Mailman community, Abhilash Raj (project leader) Mark Sapiro Stephen J. Turnbull Aurélien Bompard Terri Oda Barry Warsaw John Viega (founder) [1] Text and signatures: https://rms-open-letter.github.io [2] Appendix to the letter: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/appendix Related statements: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/statements

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Resetting users' password for them?
by Duane Raymond 10 Apr '21

10 Apr '21

Hi. I have quite a few users who when they reset their password, don't receive their password reset email. It works fine for many, so they are going out. But for those who they don't go out for, I was hoping to get their password reset key/token from the database tables and send it to them...only thing is I can't find it in there! )it may not be there). So what would you suggest for enabling people to reset their password when the system email isn't received: - Is there a way to get the reset token so I can send it manually - if so, where/how do I find it? - Would enabling social login be a work around for this problem? - Anything else you can suggest? Cheers, Duane

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SpamAssassin header confusion
by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie 10 Apr '21

10 Apr '21

I'm struggling to understand an aspect of SpamAssassin headers, and would greatly appreciate any help. Here is my scenario: One of my mailbox addresses - say addr1(a)somewhere.com - is a member of a Mailman 3 mailing list. I send a spam email (e.g. one with the GTUBE string) to the list from a different address. My mail server (Postfix/Amavis/Spamassassin) correctly identifies the mail as spam, and, appropriately, adds several spam-related headers - X-Spam-Flag, X-Spam-Score etc. I can see, from the copy of the email that lands in /var/lib/amavis/virusmails on the mail server, that those headers are indeed present. The mail message is handed off to Mailman for processing. The list in question has nonmember_default_action set to "defer", so Mailman sends the message on to each member address. However, the message, as it appears in the inbox of addr1(a)somewhere.com, contains no X-Spam- headers. The only indication of the message's spammish nature is in the Subject line, which has been prepended with the familiar string "***SPAM*****". On the face of it, it looks like Mailman has removed the X-Spam-* headers. If that's so, I don't understand why. I would be very grateful if anyone could help me figure out what is going on here. Thanks in advance, Stephen

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Database deadlock when trying to delete a member.
by Simon Coggins 09 Apr '21

09 Apr '21

Hi, I’ve got a strange error. I migrated from mailman 2.1 to 3 using the migration guide on the website and things have been working fine. But I’m in the process of testing the new syncmembers command to replace some inhouse mailman API code we wrote. I’ve tracked my problem down to what appears to be a deadlock in the postgresql database. When trying to delete certain users the SQL query hangs and never returns. After doing some tracing and tracking it down to the database, I enabled DB logging of all queries and saw that the following query was never returning: DELETE FROM member WHERE member.id = 166814 If I try to run it manually I get the same issue, in psql it never returns. mailman=# explain analyze DELETE FROM member WHERE member.id = 166814; [… 60 seconds passes…] ^CCancel request sent ERROR: canceling statement due to user request CONTEXT: while deleting tuple (2998,72) in relation "member" I’m just wondering if there are any commands or scripts I can run to verify the database and it’s constraints to see if there is some error in the database data? Or where you’d recommend I go from here? It only impacts the user on this specific list. If I add this user to another list and remove them, everything works fine. This is on a test system so I can do various testing. I’m trying to find the root cause so that I can verify my production system isn’t impacted by the same thing. Setup Details: OS: Oracle Linux 7 (Redhat) Installed using pip via virtualenv talking to a local pgsql database on the same box. Data was migrated from a mailman 2.1 install into mailman3 using migration instructions on the website. PIP Modules versions: django-mailman3 1.3.5 mailman 3.3.3 mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 mailmanclient 3.3.2 postorius 1.3.4 psycopg2-binary 2.8.5 RPM packages: postgresql12-12.6-1PGDG.rhel7.x86_64 postgresql12-server-12.6-1PGDG.rhel7.x86_64 postgresql12-libs-12.6-1PGDG.rhel7.x86_64 postgresql12-devel-12.6-1PGDG.rhel7.x86_64 -Simon

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Filter who can send on mailman3 list?
by marcus.granath＠gmail.com 08 Apr '21

08 Apr '21

Hi! I have a mailman3 mailing list which I admin, and I would like setup the following rule. Me and 3 of my team mates (who are part of the mailman3 list) should be able to send on the list as well as an "no-reply" user, others on the mailman3 list should only be able to receive the e-mails (and of course be able to unsubscribe themself). Both the: "Default action to take when a non-member posts to thelist" and the "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" is set to "Default processing", and I tried to setup actions in the "Header Filters" - but no really success.. :-( So what I basically try do achieve is to have only the following addresses to be allowed to send announcements (e-mails) on the mailman3 list, and all others that are member of the mailman3 list will just receive the e-mails. The usual "announcements" are sent out as the "no-reply" address (that actually are not really part of the mailman3 list) ;-) no-reply(a)abc.com ("fake address" that actually are not really part of the mailing-list) peter(a)abc.com david(a)abc.com marcus(a)abc.com How to achieve this kind of filter with mailman3?

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Configuration variables in Docker
by Jens Günther 08 Apr '21

08 Apr '21

Hey there, we installed the latest Docker version of Mailman3 and it seems to work for now. But I have 2 problems with configuration: ## DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS Here it says, that allowed hosts can be added: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/web/ How de we add multiple hosts? Did I miss something? When we set 1 URL, everything works (with 2(!) Domains, since SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN is the first one). Is there a way I miss to input multiple hosts, that the variable is an array? We tried: - DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS=example1.com,example2.com - DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS='example1.com, example2.com' - DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS=example1.com example2.com - DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS=example1.com,\nexample2.com And I think some more, but never works. The corresponding config file says: ALLOWED_HOSTS = [ "localhost", # Archiving API from Mailman, keep it. # "lists.your-domain.org", # Add here all production URLs you may have. "mailman-web", "172.19.199.3", os.environ.get('SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN'), os.environ.get('DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS'), ] -> how is it possible to add an array for multiple Domains? -> if not possible, shall we provide a fix that it is? ## FILTER_VHOST I want this variable to be true in my container. When I set it as a starting variable like the other configuration options, then the variable in the container seems to be set: <code> # export | grep FILTER_VHOST= declare -x FILTER_VHOST="True" </code> But surely it still is set to false in mm-web-container: <code> # cat settings.py | grep FILTER_VHOST FILTER_VHOST = False </code> -> is it ok to put the variable like that!? -> if not, how can it be done, that it is preserved on restarting the container? -> if I see it right, it could be then something like: <code> FILTER_VHOST = os.environ.get('FILTER_VHOST_DOCKER'), </code> -> with some more exceptions-handling, it might work? Thanks in advance, Jens.

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Seeting "Maximum number of recipients"
by David Partain 08 Apr '21

08 Apr '21

Hi, I have an (admittedly old) version of Postorius in my install[1] on an Ubuntu 18.04 machine. Most things work fine. However, my version doesn't seem to have a way to set the maximum number of recipients under Message Acceptance, and mail is getting shunted because there was a setting for lists on the old mailman2 lists that I migrated over. If I'm going to avoid shunting, I have to change the value :) Since it isn't in Postorius, how should I change it? I'm frankly terrified of screwing things up on my production system, so any help would be appreciated. Cheers, David [1] python-django-postorius - 1.1.2-3

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Maximum number of recipients Setting
by Brian Carpenter 04 Apr '21

04 Apr '21

I have run several tests. It looks like on the 'Maximum number of recipients' setting, a 2 means 1. If I set it to 2, I can have the listname(a)listdomain.com only. If I have a CC, it comes to me for moderation. If I set it to a 3, I can send out to listname(a)listdomain.com plus a CC. If I set it to 3 and add 2 CC's plus the listname(a)listdomain.com address, it comes to me for moderation. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Mailman in Kubernetes
by danil＠smirnov.la 03 Apr '21

03 Apr '21

For those who are interested in trying Mailman 3 in Kubernetes there is a Helm chart: https://github.com/danil-smirnov/mailman-helm-chart Your questions and contributions are very welcome! (Sending this from Hyperkitty UI, no clue how it will look like :D )

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No digest.mmdf
by Christine 29 Mar '21

29 Mar '21

I have mailman3 running now, more or less. Mailman did not send messages to my list, giving a permiission error on the digest.mmdf file, which was not there. I created the file and made list.list the owner, now it sends messages. I don't know what should have created the file or what set the permissions to the directory, I just thought I'd let you know. dagdag Christine -- dagdag is just a two character rotation of byebye

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Rejection Reason for refusing a subscription request
by Brian Carpenter 28 Mar '21

28 Mar '21

I was testing out the process of rejecting an incoming subscription request. Choosing the reject option for a moderated subscription request does send out a rejection notice but it gives no reason for the rejection. Please see: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Your request to the redacted(a)redacted.com mailing list Subscription request has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request: "[No reason given]" Any questions or comments should be directed to the list administrator at: redacted-owner(a)redacted.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is there a place somewhere in Postorius to provide a rejection reasons for moderated subscription requests? Does Mailman 3 core provide this via its REST api but it is just not revealed in Postorius yet? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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rest api runner not running
by Christine 27 Mar '21

27 Mar '21

Hi, I have been using mailman for about ten years, now I want to move the lists to another server, I have installed mailman3 there, most of it seems to be running, but the "rest api runner" is not. Nothing is listening on port 8001. What have I missed? What do I do to start the restapi runner? I checked the logs, I don't see anything suspicious. this is what systemctl status says: root@lists:~# systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - Mailman3 server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: timeout) since Sat 2021-03-27 12:04:06 UTC; 6min ago Docs: man:mailman(1) https://mailman.readthedocs.io/ Process: 173111 ExecStart=/usr/bin/mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg start --force (code=killed, signal=TERM) Mar 27 12:02:36 lists systemd[1]: Starting Mailman3 server... Mar 27 12:04:06 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: start operation timed out. Terminating. Mar 27 12:04:06 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'timeout'. Mar 27 12:04:06 lists systemd[1]: Failed to start Mailman3 server. There is nothing in mailman.log, nor in smtp.log dagdag Christine -- dagdag is just a two character rotation of byebye

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Mixing Mailman 3 with AWS SES
by Ralph Weber 27 Mar '21

27 Mar '21

I am moving the website www.t10.org from a private/corporate VM to AWS EC2s. For many years, t10.org has had very happy results with using Mailman 2 for its email reflector, and I have no real concerns about moving to Mailman 3. My bugbear is the fact that I need the following mixed bag of incoming email addresses to work in concert with each other to receive and handle emails. > t10(a)t10.org (Primary Mailman Reflector) > chair(a)t10.org (Mailman Reflector to direct messages to the T10 chair and his designates) * docs(a)t10.org (document posting mechanics - serviced by a small mountain of home-grown code code) * bbs(a)t10.org (other publicly accessible services - serviced by code that recalls the days when everything as done on a Bulletin Board System, BBS) My best guess is that the AWS Simple Email Service (SES) needs to sit in front of both Mailman and the home-grown code, to properly direct the incoming emails to the right places. The big worry is as follows... All available evidence read to date suggests that the default AWS installation of Mailman 3 assumes that Mailman 3 is the *only* receiver of emails in the configuration. If true, then putting SES in front of Mailman could be a Herculean challenge. Or... Hercules may have already cleaned the Augean Stables, and left behind a AWS Lambda function that can serve as a keystone puzzle piece for solving my dilemma. Thanks for taking the time to look at this. All the best, .Ralph FWIW Information about the current t10.org Mailman reflector can be found at https://www.t10.org/t10r.htm. T10 is primarily an open-to-the-public activity, so there are no company confidential secrets there. For those interested in the archives associated with the t10.org Mailman reflector, they are available at https://www.t10.org/pipermail/t10/ and "inquiring minds" may puzzle over the fact that the archives date back to December 1993. When Mailman 2 was installed, we converted all the Majordomo archives to Mailman 2 format.

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Mysterious Bounces Being Logged
by Brian Carpenter 27 Mar '21

27 Mar '21

I keep seeing bounces being recorded in logs/bounce.log that have no corresponding entry in Postfix's mail.log. For instance one address had registered about 2 dozen bounces in the past week in bounce.log and yet every single entry for this address in mail.log has a status=sent. What am I missing here? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Mailman 3 centos7 installation issues
by bader＠cchmc.org 25 Mar '21

25 Mar '21

So I am working with our Linux admin to install mailman3 in centos7 following this instructions https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html# (and adjusting for centos versus Debian) The install went fine with the command “pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary”until the config file. /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg The /etc/mailman3 directory did not get created? Should it have? We created it and the config file But “mailman info” throws errors venv) [mailman@bmimailmandr2 var]$ mailman info Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 2336, in _wrap_pool_connect return fn() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/base.py", line 364, in connect return _ConnectionFairy._checkout(self) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/base.py", line 778, in _checkout fairy = _ConnectionRecord.checkout(pool) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/base.py", line 495, in checkout rec = pool._do_get() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/impl.py", line 140, in _do_get self._dec_overflow() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/langhelpers.py", line 70, in __exit__ with_traceback=exc_tb, File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/compat.py", line 182, in raise_ raise exception File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/impl.py", line 137, in _do_get return self._create_connection() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/base.py", line 309, in _create_connection return _ConnectionRecor I suspect it is not using the config file at /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg But we do not even see a mailman service in /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service. Also, we are using python 3.6, will that be a major issue? or should spend the time to install 3.7 from source?

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Changing subscription address
by Allan Hansen 23 Mar '21

23 Mar '21

All, I need help with this. A subscriber is a member of 14 of the lists on my system (others have more subscriptions). This member needs to change the address and is dyslexic, so I’ve been asked to help. I added the new address to her account in Django and set it as the preferred address. However, when she was subscribed, the system set her old address as the list subscription address, instead of her ‘preferred’ address. Well, I’m not sure of this as I cannot access her Settings, but that’s how it worked with one of my own addresses. Will I now have to tell her to do this for each list she is subscribed to: Select ‘Mailman Settings’ in dialog pulldown. Select one of the lists listed. Click on ‘Manage Subscription.’ In ‘Select Emai’, select the ‘Primary Address’ pulldown option Click on ‘Change email used for subscription.’ Please note that the “Global Mailman preferences’ nor the ‘Address-based preferences’ have the option to select the preferred address. I realize that once a member has an account in Django AND has preferred address set AND has selected the ‘Primary Address’ for each list, then this will be easier. However, I have 10000+ subscriptions by some 1500 members, most of whom were moved over from MM2 and have no Django accounts. Someone on list some time ago advised me that it was possible to do this easily globally. I have spent a couple of hours on the system trying to find that way but the above per-list procedure is all I found. Please make this easy, as I get these requests all the time and some, like this one, are on many lists. Yours, Allan

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FILTER_VHOST not working
by Johannes Rohr 23 Mar '21

23 Mar '21

In /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py I have added FILTER_VHOST = True so that only the list for the current domain are shown. But this has no effect. What's more, in hyperkitty I see at the top left the lable for the default domain, even though I am visiting from another domain. The web domains are exactly the same as the mail domans (lists.[domain].[tld]) In the Nginx config I have added location / { proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Proto $scheme; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Host $host; proxy_pass http://localhost:8000/; [....] } to make sure that mailman3 knows from which URL it is visited. Am I overlooking something? I am using the distribution packages on Ubuntu 20.04: mailman3 3.2.2-1 mailman3-web 0+20180916-10 I see, the mailman3-web package is quite dated. Is it recommended to install via virtualenv instead? Cheers, Johannes

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Mailman Core 3.3.4 is now out
by Abhilash Raj 22 Mar '21

22 Mar '21

Hey Everyone, I am pleased to announce that Mailman Core 3.3.4 is now out. Because of incompatibility with the new version of a downstream library (SQLAlchemy), this release add is setting 1.3.x as the max supported version of SQLAlchemy. Even though it comes soon after 3.3.3, it has a lot of bug fixes and new features. Some notable ones are: * Email -join command now supports subscribing as digests with digest=<no|mime|plain> options being honored. * For anonymous lists, Mailman will filter all the headers except a few that can be configured using a new config option. * Mailman can do max_size checks on filtered message rather than original message (which might be larger before being filtered) * Previously deprecated --add, --del and --sync options from `mailman members` command are now removed. Their alternatives are `addmembers`, `delmembers` and `syncmembers` subcommands. * If configured, Mailman will add a report about content filtering. A complete change log is available here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… This release is available via PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/3.3.4/ You can install or upgrade using: ``` $ pip install --upgrade mailman ``` Thanks to all the contributors who helped with this release! -- On behalf of Mailman Core Team Abhilash Raj

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Disable user registration
by Torge Riedel 21 Mar '21

21 Mar '21

Hi list, how can I disable user registration? There are only two users, me - the admin - and an additional owner/moderator. The list setup we use is completely managed by the owner/moderator (about 100 mail adresses per list). Thanks Torge

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Problem with languages
by Jens Günther 20 Mar '21

20 Mar '21

Hey, I set up Mailman3 from the Debian-packages and got it working. But for some reason I do have a mixed setup in languages now. Some strings are in English, some are in German. The settings I changed are: in mailman.cfg [mailman] default_language: de in mailman-web.py LANGUAGE_CODE = 'de-DE' TIME_ZONE = 'Europe/Berlin' Nothing changed after restarting services. I then came across this post: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -> but actually I do not find any of the files, ... - no mailman.po / .mo - no generate_mo.sh - no languages folders in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/messages - when searching with locate (after updatedb) no LC_MESSAGES/mailman or anything stated in the post Actually it would be fantastic to be able to choose language for the web interface / lists like on this here, but this is additional :-) just to have it in one language, this time German would be cool. I also would translate, but it seems finished: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/mailman/ Thank you for help, regards, Jens.

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only show mail domains from web host on web-host-url
by jens.guenther＠posteo.de 19 Mar '21

19 Mar '21

Is it possible, to only show publicly (if advertised) these lists on a certain url, that are corresponding to the web host the url I accessed mailman through? I tried to configure different Web hosts with different Mail domains ... but through all the domains all mailing lists are advertised and I don't get why I then should configure different web hosts :-) Another solution for me would be, that I have only 1 Web host, don't advertise any Mailing-lists (or only certain ones) and configure different administrators for certain mail domains. But also that I don't see how it should be done :-( Sorry for the maybe nooby/newby question, but I just started trying Mailman3 and hoped for a better support for multidomain (which I till right now like in contrast to mailman2, whih has been a hazzle to register new Domains on the same server, but worked :-)). Thanks inadvance.

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Good MM hosts for customized code?
by Steven Clift 19 Mar '21

19 Mar '21

E-Democracy.org is plotting a test move from GroupServer.org (end of life coming) to MM3. We have certain technologies we've embedded into GroupServer, like volume based posting limits on our political forums (no more than X posts in y hours per member ... typically 2 or 3 posts in 24 hours), inserting standard "who made this post" in the email footer with links to the user profile for context assuming email is forwarded as well as the web archive url to that post. We know that we do not want to be in charge of email deliverability and we don't yet have an Mailman aficionado in our volunteer team. So ideally, we'd find the right Mailman host where we can use our own selected domain (@opengroups.org perhaps) and whether we hire coders to help out with custom tech OR have volunteer coders (interested in local online communities? AKA hate that Facebook and NextDoor host most of these, let me know :-) ), we'd like to have the right set up to allow us to experiment. Advice? Thoughts? Thanks, Steve Steven Clift <http://stevenclift.com> - Founder and Volunteer, E-Democracy.org clift(a)e-democracy.org - +1 612 234 7072 @Democracy <http://twitter.com/democracy> - Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/stevenlclift> - LinkedIn <http://linkedin.com/in/netclift>

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CC header
by Brian Carpenter 19 Mar '21

19 Mar '21

Can the 'cc' header be used for setting up a header filter via Postorius? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Delayed password requests & migrating users from mm2
by Duane Raymond 17 Mar '21

17 Mar '21

Hi again, With my new mm3 instance, password reset email to members are being received many hours late or not at all. They seem to be sent fine and when I trigger one to one of my addresses, it works instantly. But many users report getting it many hours later or not at all (despite looking in spam and bulk folders). Anyone else experience this password reset mail delay/vanishing and/or have any suggestions for diagnosing it and resolving it? The main reason this is problematic is that in migrating lists from mm2, I've set a 'fake' password for them in the mm3 db and instructed members to reset their password to set a new one so they can access the list and update their subscription and/or subscribe to other lists (which they can also do without an account of course - but then lose the ability to use the web interface and access archives). So if, as an alternative, there is another way to get list members to access their account then I'm open to it. Cheers, Duane

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Specifying hold reason: non-member, header filter number/regex
by Duane Raymond 16 Mar '21

16 Mar '21

Hi, Unlike in mm2, I'm finding in mm3 that is not obvious when non-member is trying to post to the list when their subject line also has a header-filter match. All it lists is that the posting has matched a header rule (which isn't quite accurate as it is a non-member) and even when it matches a header rule it doesn't say which one (which is a noted issues in the file mailman/chains/headers.py). Anyone else noticed the same and have a solution? The relevant list setting is:: Message Acceptance > Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list: Hold for moderation Should I be editing mailman/chains/headers.py or perhaps another python file in that firstory to make the hold reason more explicit? It is actually two problems I wish to solve: 1. Show when the message is held because it is a posting by a non-member (or a moderated member, etc) 2. Show what specific header filter has caused the message to be held so I know why and/or can debug the regex to be more/less specific. Cheers, Duane

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Contributing to Mailman documentation
by Abhilash Raj 16 Mar '21

16 Mar '21

Hey Everyone, I have been trying to document how to propose changes to the Mailman documentation, which is hosted on ReadTheDocs. Right now, I think i have the complete flow in Gitlab documented in this page[1] and how to reach Gitlab from any page in documentation. I am sure there could be some parts that aren’t completely obvious to others. If you think I have missed a few steps or if there are issues in the doc, please feel free to reply on this thread or just open issues directly in Gitlab project[2] for documentation at docs.mailman3.org. [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/documentation.html [2]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/-/issues Hope this is helpful! -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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problem with postorius initial setup
by John Covici 16 Mar '21

16 Mar '21

Hi. I am trying to setup postorius, but I have run into a problem. I am using the example project, except I am using postgresql instead of sqlite3. I ran python manage.py migrate which was successful. On running the development server I get: Exception in thread django-main-thread: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/module_loading.py", line 20, in import_string return getattr(module, class_name) AttributeError: module 'postorius.middleware' has no attribute 'APICountingMiddleware' The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/servers/basehttp.py", line 45, in get_internal_wsgi_application return import_string(app_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/module_loading.py", line 17, in import_string module = import_module(module_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1014, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 991, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 975, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 671, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 783, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/home/covici/mailman_django/example_project/wsgi.py", line 17, in <module> application = get_wsgi_application() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/wsgi.py", line 13, in get_wsgi_application return WSGIHandler() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/wsgi.py", line 127, in __init__ self.load_middleware() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 40, in load_middleware middleware = import_string(middleware_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/module_loading.py", line 22, in import_string raise ImportError('Module "%s" does not define a "%s" attribute/class' % ( ImportError: Module "postorius.middleware" does not define a "APICountingMiddleware" attribute/class The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/threading.py", line 932, in _bootstrap_inner self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/threading.py", line 870, in run self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/autoreload.py", line 53, in wrapper fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/commands/runserver.py", line 138, in inner_run handler = self.get_handler(*args, **options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/contrib/staticfiles/management/commands/runserver.py", line 27, in get_handler handler = super().get_handler(*args, **options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/commands/runserver.py", line 65, in get_handler return get_internal_wsgi_application() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/servers/basehttp.py", line 47, in get_internal_wsgi_application raise ImproperlyConfigured( django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: WSGI application 'wsgi.application' could not be loaded; Error importing module. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

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GNU Mailman has been accepted in Summer of Code!
by Stephen J. Turnbull 16 Mar '21

16 Mar '21

Just to let everyone know. [Cc'd to Mailman 3 Users, but please direct followups to the Mailman Developers list only!] GSoC "who we are" page is here: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/4903353420611584/ Ideas page is here: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202021 Student applications open on March 30, and continue until April 13 18:00 UTC. Comments, ideas, etc welcome on Mailman Developers (preferred) or directly to me or Abhilash. Please do NOT edit the ideas page on the wiki without discussing with me, Abhilash, or Mark, as Google has strict rules about what ideas are relevant to their program. If you have been active in GSoC and do understand the rules, the discussion will be "pro forma", but at least we do want to know what we might be asked about as potential mentors. We can add more mentors, definitely, you're welcome. If you can reliably spend about 5 hours per week on it for the summer, we'll sign you up as a regular mentor. If you'd like to interact regularly with students, but can't promise 5 hours a week, we can negotiate a semi-formal status (but you won't get the privileges of a full mentor, like the T-shirt). Otherwise, we'll try to keep discussions on the list, everybody welcome. Regards, Steve

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Re: statistics monitoring for Mailman3
by Mark Sapiro 15 Mar '21

15 Mar '21

On 3/12/21 11:22 AM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > I was checking on log rotating on smtp.log. On my server it does not rotate. I could use log-rotator to rotate that, but could not find any information how to inform the mailman process of the rotation, e.g. which signal to send him? The `mailman reopen` command is the recommended way, or you can send the `master` a SIGUSR1. The master's PID is in the file var/master.pid or /var/run/mailman/master.pid if you've configured `layout: fhs`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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statistics monitoring for Mailman3
by Mohsen Masoudfar 15 Mar '21

15 Mar '21

Hi, I am wondering if there is a monitoring application available for Mailman3 to display statistics about the number of emails send for each maillist. Thanks Mohsen

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Five Year Old Issue
by Brian Carpenter 15 Mar '21

15 Mar '21

Any chance to get this implemented in time for the next Mailman 3 core release? https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/19 It's been 5 years. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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How To Install Mailman 3 on Debian 10 (Complete Guide)
by Brian Carpenter 14 Mar '21

14 Mar '21

I have finished my how-to install Mailman 3 on Debian 10 completed to the point where you can use it to get a fully functional Mailman 3 environment up and running. This is a comprehensive guide that walks you through installing EVERYTHING (currently!) that Mailman 3 needs to run. It also makes updating Mailman 3/Postorius/Hyperkitty very easy. I have not added the update directions yet but will very soon. I also plan on adding a section on setting up DKIM and Xapian with Mailman 3. I hope this helps those who wish to get a Mailman 3 server up and running quickly and brings a sense of sanity to the confusion regarding the various documentation out there concerning the installation of Mailman 3/Postorius/Hyperkitty. I intend to add a How-to for Ubuntu 20 at some point. Without further ado: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 I am sure the above guide can use improvements. Feel free to contact me off-list to point out mistakes/improvements, etc. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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hooking up mailman and sendmail
by John Covici 14 Mar '21

14 Mar '21

Hi. So, I have sendmail as my mta and I want mailman to use it. So far, I have a local delivery agent able to send on port 8024. So, what do I have to tell mailman to use sendmail and listen on port 8024 and to send on port 25? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

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problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3
by John Covici 14 Mar '21

14 Mar '21

Hi. I am having a great deal of difficulty installing mailman3 using gentoo and sendmail. Also, I want to upgrade my old mailman2 data to mailman3. What I have done so far is to install the mailman3 packages from my repository and got this: django-mailman3 version 1.3.4, mailmanclient version 3.3.1, mailman version 3.3.2 (apparently the core), postorius version 1.3.3 and hyperkitty version 1.3.3. I also have mariadb and postgresql already installed. Now trying to read your documentation, it seems it wants me to reinstall some packages using pip in the home directory of the mailman user in a python virtual environment, that was the first thing. But I would like to avoid multiple package managers wherever possible -- gentoo is already a lot of maintainance without dealing with pip's maintainance. The binaries also seem to be different from my gentoo packages. So, how do I proceed with getting mailman3 up and working, configuring the database, configs, etc and I guess after doing that upgrading mailman2 and getting sendmail to interface properly with mailman3? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

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hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not archive the email with message-id '<snip>': A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters
by Gilles Filippini 13 Mar '21

13 Mar '21

Hi, I have this error message repeating endlessly into the mailman-web logs. The related list is an open one on which we receive spam sometimes. I understand these emails can me malformed and cause this error. How to deal with them? They can't stay forever at the hyperkitty door. Thanks in advance, _g.

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Attachments in digests mails
by Eric Broens 12 Mar '21

12 Mar '21

Hi, subscribers that prefer to receive digests, are receiving attachments as encoded characters in the message body. This makes digests almost unreadable, see an extract of an example below. Is there a way to make sure the attachments are send as attachments in the digest mails? Message: 2 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 23:09:29 +0100 From: *********** <*********(a)**********.**> Subject: [Planoccult] (2589) Daniel and 3 others - negative To: Planoccult <*********@******** <mailto:*********@ls.vvs.be> > Message-ID: <wcieubkwujbuvtoyrqhg@kqqa> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-bcRfVuQTUIVzQDmITHPG" --=-bcRfVuQTUIVzQDmITHPG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, please find attached negative reports of 4 recent observations, including (= 2589) Daniel. I could not afford to skip such important asteroid to me (-; = despite very low probability of positive result. Best regards, --=-bcRfVuQTUIVzQDmITHPG Content-Type: image/png; name=2021_03_09_Blazewicz_2589_Daniel.png Content-Id: <cfaaa58faf30919364d7dcee7cb4cc20221c8dc4> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=2021_03_09_Blazewicz_2589_Daniel.png iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAsAAAAGtCAYAAAAYrcL2AAAACXBIWXMAAA7EAAAOxAGVKw4bAAAg AElEQVR4nOzd6XcUR54v/C+SEEJIgDAgCbAQICFAIPbFdntvu9sX6HbbfoZn+tyZ7vu84N/o239G M/fcOefOnJnmtunpBbXtdhuvDRgwuwCxiR2BhHYJbaV6XuAqqopcIjMjMiMyv59zfIwqqzIjMyMi fxkZETntw9/+Jg0iIiIiooQoijoBRERERERhYgBMRERERIlSEnUCZDp/6T5ee+01X7/94osvsHZV Thanks, Eric

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Posterious membership listing for non-owner/moderators?
by Duane Raymond 11 Mar '21

11 Mar '21

Hi, I'm configuring my new mailman3 lists and one option I wish to use is a membership listing (which list members can opt-in/out of via their preferences). The only problem is, via the web interface (Posterious / Hyperkitty) I can't find that listing when logged in as an ordinary member. Am I missing something or is this not built in yet? I have my test list setting under List Identity -> Members List Visibility set to "Only mailinglist members", but all I can find in terms of members is the side-listing of posters to the list/thread. (as usual before asking the question I explored a lot and searched the archives/documentation). Cheers, Duane

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Setting for archiving multi email domains?
by Duane Raymond 11 Mar '21

11 Mar '21

Hi again, I have a Debian-postfix-postgres-nginx-Hyperkitty-Postorius setup with a primary domain (e.g. primarydomain.com) and several 'secondary' domains used for email lists (e.g. emaillistA.com and emaillistB.com). When sending emails to a list using the primarydomain.com address, the email is received, sent to subscribers and archived properly. But when it is sent to one of the secondary domains like tes(a)emaillistA.com - the email doesn't seem to be sent and isn't archived - despite it being set to be. What I've tried so far (after searching these archives and looking at the documentation) is to: 1) Adding emaillistA.com and emaillistB.com to the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting in the settings_local.py file (and then restart mailman) 2) Adding emaillistA.com and emaillistB.com to the mydestination setting in the postfix main.cf file (and the restarting postfix). ...I even tried adding to /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 emaillistA.com and 127.0.0.1 emaillistB.com but removed it as it didn't seem appropriate there. Does anyone have any hits of what else I need to configure to get it working for these 'secondary' email domains? Cheers, Duane

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Backups & disaster recovery of mailman3
by David Partain 08 Mar '21

08 Mar '21

Hi, So now I have a running mailman3 installation. Whew... Is there documentation of things like thorough backups and disaster recovery? I haven't yet found it. Backups: Obviously, I understand that I need to have datbase (mysql, in my case) dumps, and I'll have file system backups onto something that our IT folks will backup. Is there more I should think of? Disaster recovery: So, let's say my server (which is cloud-y) gets trashed and I need to get mailman back on a new server. Is this process described somewhere? My kind thanks to you all for listening :) Cheers, David

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Email Commands
by Brian Carpenter 07 Mar '21

07 Mar '21

Is there a list of email commands on a website somewhere that you can use with Mailman 3? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Importing issue from mailman2 to mailman3
by David Partain 07 Mar '21

07 Mar '21

Hi, I'm in the process of moving 1400-ish lists from a very old mailman2 installation to an installation on Ubuntu 18.04 with the version of mailman3 packaged for that distro. (Yes, that was a mistake, but I'm committed at this point.) I'm doing this import as per: sudo -u list mailman import21 somelist@one-of-the-domains<mailto:somelist@one-of-the-domains> /tmp/lists/somelist/config.pck where /tmp/lists includes all of the list configs from the old installation. Most of it's going fine, as best I can see. However, I get exceptions on some lists that look like this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1182, in _execute_context context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 470, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 163, in execute result = self._query(query) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 321, in _query conn.query(q) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 505, in query self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 724, in _read_query_result result.read() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1069, in read first_packet = self.connection._read_packet() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 676, in _read_packet packet.raise_for_error() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/protocol.py", line 223, in raise_for_error err.raise_mysql_exception(self._data) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/err.py", line 107, in raise_mysql_exception raise errorclass(errno, errval) pymysql.err.DataError: (1406, "Data too long for column 'info' at row 1") My assumption is that what's in the "Info" field on the old mailman2 config is simply too long. Is that correct? In that case, I suppose the right thing is to (1) edit each one, reducing the size, which'll create a new config.pck, (2) pull it over to the new machine, and (3) run the import again. Seem reasonable? Cheers, David

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[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable
by dancab＠caltech.edu 05 Mar '21

05 Mar '21

I've imported a list from Mailman2 and had the owner send a message for testing purposes. His message are moderated per the list configuration. The message is delivered to Mailman3 and shows that it's being held. However if we attempt to view the message in Postorius web UI then an error is thrown. In the web interface the error is simply "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." But Mailman Core is running and we can do other functions just fine. Our superuser account receives a much more detailed message with the subject below. [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable: /postorius/lists/cpa-announcement.caltech.edu/held_messages Does "Service Unavailable" mean I'm missing something in the configuration? Thanks for your help. ---- Dan Caballero

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postfix malformed address with confirm replies
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats 04 Mar '21

04 Mar '21

I’m getting bounces back from postfix (553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address) for my confirm replies. I found a similar issue in this lists’ archives back in 2017 but that issue was supposedly fixed in version 3.2 I’m running the current docker containers. I’m pretty sure I have all of the mailman settings in postix: " # Support the default VERP delimiter. recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains " the entries in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp look like they should match /^matsmats-mm3-test1(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-bounces(\+.*)?(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm(\+.*)?(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-join(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-leave(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-owner(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-request(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-subscribe(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-unsubscribe(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 thanks, steve > On Feb 26, 2021, at 14:08:54 PST, Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON(a)ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal> wrote: > > This is the mail system at host ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > > The mail system > > <matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu>: > host 172.19.199.2[172.19.199.2] said: 553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address > (in reply to RCPT TO command) > Reporting-MTA: dns; ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal > X-Postfix-Queue-ID: E144B8BC3C5 > X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; stephen.s.w.matsmats(a)gmail.com > Arrival-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:08:54 -0800 (PST) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > Original-Recipient: rfc822;matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > Action: failed > Status: 5.1.3 > Remote-MTA: dns; 172.19.199.2 > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address > > From: Steve Mats Mats <willey(a)selby.com> > Subject: Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the matsmats-mm3-test1(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu mailing list. > Date: February 26, 2021 at 2:08:52 PM PST > To: matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > > > > >> On Feb 26, 2021, at 11:41:54 PST, matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu wrote: >> >> Email Address Registration Confirmation >> >> Hello, this is the GNU Mailman server at mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu. >> >> We have received a registration request for the email address >> >> willey(a)teamd.org >> >> Before you can start using GNU Mailman at this site, you must first confirm >> that this is your email address. You can do this by replying to this message. >> >> Or you should include the following line -- and only the following >> line -- in a message to matsmats-mm3-test1-request(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu: >> >> confirm d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856 >> >> Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from >> most mail readers. >> >> If you do not wish to register this email address, simply disregard this >> message. If you think you are being maliciously subscribed to the list, or >> have any other questions, you may contact >> >> matsmats-mm3-test1-owner(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > > >

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Set Postorius interface locale
by Duane Raymond 04 Mar '21

04 Mar '21

Hi everyone, Thanks to Brian I'm up and running with my migrated mailman3 lists and am now starting to get into customising the interface (styling and content). I've been trying to figure out how to set/change the Postorius locale - I specifically want to change some text strings on the info page without breaking the i18n mechanisms. I've worked with po and mo files before, so changing and compiling them isn't a problem. The problems I've encountered so far are: 1) Where do I set the local of the Postorius interface? 2) Individual lists have a language setting, but it doesn't seem to reflect what the Postorius locales are as the only english option is "English (USA)" and none of the other English speaking locales and on the file system there is no en-us PO files....so I suspect I'm looking in the wrong place. Am I looking at this all wrong? The documentation doesn't seem to have any info about this and yet the mechanisms seem to be there. Once I learn more I'm quite keen to start working on improving the documentation based on what I learn. Cheers, Duane

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Moderation emails
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au 04 Mar '21

04 Mar '21

Hi Folks, Whenever a non-member posts to a members-only list, the owners (because I haven't set any moderators) get a 3-part MIME message, from the xxx-owner email address. The first part is the template from .../mailman/templates/en/list:admin:action:post.txt The second part is a message/rfc822 copy of the held message. The third part is another message/rfc822 part that says, If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply. This is really confusing, as replying to the whole message will go to the '-owner' not the '-request' address, which will neither discard nor authorise the message, and will not contain the subject: heading from the encapsulated message. Is there any easy way, either to turn off generation of the third message, or make it so that acting on the message (hitting reply in your email client) will actually discard the message? Peter C

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postorius / adjusted settings menu
by Andreas Barth 03 Mar '21

03 Mar '21

Hi together, I want to adjust the settings menu to reduce to the options really needed. The easiest way would be to edit src/postorius/views/list* but I don't think that's a good idea. So what comes to my mind is to have some variable in the configuration that contains the menu items and - if set - the submenus. E.g. the following: { 'list_identity': ['!gateway_to_mail', '!gateway_to_news', '!linked_newsgroup', '!newsgroup_moderation', '!nntp_prefix_subject_too' ], 'automatic_responses', 'alter_messages', 'dmarc_mitigations', 'digest', 'message_acceptance', 'archiving', 'subscription_policy', 'bounce_processing' } would express: default menu and just remove the mentioned items. Of course, something like ['advertised', 'description', 'info', 'display_name', 'subject_prefix'] would work as well. Resorting should also be possible, so something like { 'list_identity': ['advertised', 'description', 'info', 'personalize'] } would give a very small list of items to select from. What do you think about the idea? Andi

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Shunt Error Mail?
by Pete Ashdown 03 Mar '21

03 Mar '21

I have a number of list managers with subscribers who are confused as to why their messages are silently disappearing. I've read the archives on how to decipher why a message was shunted, but this is not workable at scale. Is sending an error email back to the sender a consideration?

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Domain ownership issues
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au 02 Mar '21

02 Mar '21

Hi, I wanted to give another user the ability to create lists, so added that user as 'owner' of the domain. But he does not see the 'create list' button. I decided to try deleting him as owner, and the result is a python exception: KeyError: 'file' ERROR 2021-03-01 20:35:07,195 550 django.request Internal Server Error: /postori us/domains/sel4.systems/owners/b55d58c434c94f6dbd19ae338502dd2e/remove Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py", line 40 , in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 21, in _wrapped_view return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 75, i n wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/domain.py", line 182, in remove_owners remove_email = client.get_user(user_id).addresses[0].email File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/client.py", line 324, in get_user display_name=display_name)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 111, in call raise HTTPError(url, response.status_code, urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: 404 Not Found Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.0+ (default, Oct 19 2020, 09:51:18) [GCC 10.2.0] Peter C

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Hyperkitty "All Threads" results in error
by Mark Dadgar 02 Mar '21

02 Mar '21

So I have been wrestling with this problem for a while now. Most times, but not every time, when someone clicks on the All Threads link in hyperkitty, a 500 error is generated. I googled it, obviously, and at first I thought it was related to this issue, but that has not proven to be the case: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> I’ve attached a “backtrace” below. The archives were imported from a previous mm3 install a couple of months ago. The problem occurs even with a list state full of immediately recent posts. Anyone have thoughts on how I can fix this? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 — Internal Server Error: /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest VariableDoesNotExist at /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest Failed lookup for key [sender] in None Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mail.pdc-racing.net/archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net/latest <https://mail.pdc-racing.net/archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net/latest> Django Version: 2.2.14 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python Python Version: 3.8.2 Python Path: ['/opt/mailman/mm', '/opt/mailman/mm/', '/opt/mailman/mm/bin', '/usr/lib/python38.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.8', '/usr/lib/python3.8/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages'] Server time: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 10:27:10 -0700 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 829. current = current[bit] During handling of the above exception ('NoneType' object is not subscriptable), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 837. current = getattr(current, bit) During handling of the above exception ('NoneType' object has no attribute 'sender'), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 843. current = current[int(bit)] During handling of the above exception (invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'sender'), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in inner 134. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in archives 114. return _thread_list(request, mlist, threads, extra_context=extra_context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in _thread_list 143. return render(request, template_name, context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py" in render 36. content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader.py" in render_to_string 62. return template.render(context, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py" in render 61. return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 171. return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 150. return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 62. result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py" in render 209. nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 188. return template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 173. return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py" in render 513. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/templatetags/i18n.py" in render 132. context.update({var: val.resolve(context) for var, val in self.extra_context.items()}) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/templatetags/i18n.py" in <dictcomp> 132. context.update({var: val.resolve(context) for var, val in self.extra_context.items()}) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in resolve 692. arg_vals.append(arg.resolve(context)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in resolve 796. value = self._resolve_lookup(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 848. raise VariableDoesNotExist("Failed lookup for key " Exception Type: VariableDoesNotExist at /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest Exception Value: Failed lookup for key [sender] in None

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[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/top-threads
by blackout69 01 Mar '21

01 Mar '21

Hello everybody,I received this error message and from that moment the maiilan3 has stopped working.I restarted the following services mailman3 and mailman3-web and everything started working fine.Can you tell me what is the problem my django server has encountered? Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads DoesNotExist at /hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads Thread matching query does not exist. Request Method: GET Request URL: https://lists.catania.linux.it/hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/t… Django Version: 1.11.29 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.7.3 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python37.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.7', '/usr/lib/python3.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: Ven, 26 Feb 2021 20:10:53 +0100 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 187. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 185. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in inner 134. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in overview_top_threads 196. 'threads': mlist.top_threads, File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py" in top_threads 157. return self.cached_values["top_threads"]() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py" in __call__ 59. return self.get_or_set(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py" in get_or_set 365. return [Thread.objects.get(pk=pk) for pk in thread_ids] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py" in <listcomp> 365. return [Thread.objects.get(pk=pk) for pk in thread_ids] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py" in manager_method 85. return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in get 380. self.model._meta.object_name Exception Type: DoesNotExist at /hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads Exception Value: Thread matching query does not exist. Request information: USER: blackout69 GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: csrftoken = 'tqNIiLrMWyYNHYhkmnmQfjRdd0AtCeCAAW46VOL24wk2g7Opl5LSZWB2dZ2p79Sb' sessionid = 'brhb9jd3ko9blnluuc6bz3c1627u6h22' META: CONTENT_LENGTH = '' CONTENT_TYPE = '' CSRF_COOKIE = 'tqNIiLrMWyYNHYhkmnmQfjRdd0AtCeCAAW46VOL24wk2g7Opl5LSZWB2dZ2p79Sb' DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/usr/share/nginx/html' HTTPS = 'on' HTTP_ACCEPT = 'text/html, */*; q=0.01' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate, br' HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE = 'it-IT' HTTP_COOKIE = 'csrftoken=tqNIiLrMWyYNHYhkmnmQfjRdd0AtCeCAAW46VOL24wk2g7Opl5LSZWB2dZ2p79Sb; sessionid=brhb9jd3ko9blnluuc6bz3c1627u6h22' HTTP_HOST = 'lists.catania.linux.it' HTTP_REFERER = 'https://lists.catania.linux.it/hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/' HTTP_TE = 'trailers' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (Android 11; Mobile; rv:86.0) Gecko/86.0 Firefox/86.0' HTTP_X_REQUESTED_WITH = 'XMLHttpRequest' PATH_INFO = '/hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads' QUERY_STRING = '' REMOTE_ADDR = '2.38.155.170' REMOTE_PORT = '39208' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_SCHEME = 'https' REQUEST_URI = '/hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = 'lists.catania.linux.it' SERVER_PORT = '443' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/2.0' uwsgi.core = 1 uwsgi.node = b'glugct.catania.linux.it' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.18-debian' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7f0e65582f00> wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'https' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Thank you in advance -- blackout69

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How to disable subscribe by mail in mailman3?
by Thomas Koch 01 Mar '21

01 Mar '21

Hello, I've setup a mailman3 for an organization. Organization members are authenticated by an LDAP backend and can thus use the web UI to subscribe. To avoid unnecessary moderation, I'd like to disable subscription by mail but still allow subscription through the web interface. (I've already hacked some code to dissallow subscribe by mail through posteros.) Regards, Thomas

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Import Archives Assistance
by Brian Carpenter 28 Feb '21

28 Feb '21

I am working with a client in importing a large MM2 mbox file (around 1GB in size) into a Mailman 3 list using: /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin hyperkitty_import --no-sync-mailman -l list@listdomain list.mbox I planned on syncing after the import. Well, the client did not have enough memory on the server for the above job and it crashed in the middle of it. I informed the client who added more memory to the VPS. I went and deleted the partial archives via Hyperkitty and proceeded with the above import job again. The job finished but it seems only the messages that were imported were those AFTER the crash happened. How can I remove the archives completely so I can rerun this mbox file in its entirety? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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who request
by Vako Nicolian 27 Feb '21

27 Feb '21

Is there a way to stop the who request to get membership list? i.e.: if we send an email to {list}-request@... with *who {password} *on the subject line, it will send the membership list to the member, I want that option to be disabled for privacy reasons. Thanks, Vako

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Added two tasks for Google Summer of Code
by Stephen J. Turnbull 27 Feb '21

27 Feb '21

Based on recent threads, I've added two tasks to our 2021 GSoC ideas page: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202021#List_Configura… https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202021#User_Profile_T… Bcc'd to David and Johannes because I referred to threads starting with their posts. If you want me to paraphrase in the task description, let me know, but I preferred to do it this way to encourage applicants to join the community. (Note: we haven't been selected yet, so this isn't any more public than the archived mailing lists.) Suggestions of other GSoC tasks and refinements to existing ones welcome. However, please discuss them on the list (or to a core dev privately) unless you have GSoC experience. Google has specific requirements for Summer of Code projects, so there are a lot of important tasks that should not be on that page. If you have an enhancement that you'd definitely like to put on our agenda, and also suggest for GSoC, feel free to file an issue on the tracker and point me, Mark, or Abhilash to it. Steve

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Disable archives per list
by Bernd Wurst 27 Feb '21

27 Feb '21

Hello, we are about to migrate our Mailman 2 instance to Mailman 3. As we are hosting many (small) mailing lists for different customers, we get in trouble about future handling of mail archives. Mailman 2 just used mbox files per list and flat files for public archive, so archives do not matter apart from some storage. With hyperkitty, all messages for all lists are stored in on single database and I'm a little bit scared of a single database table with dozens of GB of data. Many of our users do not really need archiving, some customers also asked archiving to be disabled for legal reasons within their lists. Can I as the server admin disable archiving (or set other list options) in a way that the list admin can not change it via postorious? Can I have custom archiver settings per list or per domain (customer-specific hyperkitty)? regards, Bernd

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Documentation for transferiering a list between mm3 and mm3
by Johannes Winter 27 Feb '21

27 Feb '21

Hi, I didn't find any documentation on how to export list data from mm3 and import it into another mm3 instance. Have I missed something, or is it yet nonexistant? Best greetings, Johannes

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Two Questions: One General, the Other Specific
by David Wilson 26 Feb '21

26 Feb '21

Salutations; For context, I have been lurking on this site for a number of years now, in order to track the progress of this wonderful mailman3 project. Further context, I am chair of a 66 unit condominium and pay for two lists provided by EMWD.com and get a hands on feel from an mailman3 operations perspective. *Is there another site that might best communicate the future goals, plans, objectives, and time frames for mailman3 or is the status of the project at the state of being primarily reacting to problems, as evidenced in this problem solving forum, at least as it seems to me, with no offense meant or intended?* Something I find surprising is a problem described in an image grab below relating to an inability to amend a list entry to include a name to be associated with an email address, as if the data needs to be immutable. When a workaround was unsuccessfully explored to delete the entry and then resubmit an amended entry but with the same already deleted email address, that was still refused, presumably because of pointers to archived data don't permit, but this seems like a particularly onerous restriction, or perhaps even a bug, or at least a severe design constraint. *Is this item on an existing to do list?* *Comments please?* Thank you in advance for any responses to the questions in bold to facilitate faster reading, etc. Best regards. Dave Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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missing links in admin request mail Fwd: New subscription request to Mm3-test-mem from hstahl@uw.edu
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats 25 Feb '21

25 Feb '21

Mailman2 and other mailman3 installs I’ve seen included links in the moderation ‘requires approval’ or list subscription request approvals. But the messages from my mailman3 server does not have the links. What configuration am I missing? I’m running off the stable 0.3 docker images as updated this morning to the current releases (3.3.3, 1.3.4, 1.3.4) thanks, steve > From: list2-owner(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu > Subject: list2(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu post from xxx(a)jhmi.edu requires approval > Date: February 25, 2021 at 2:18:14 PM PST > To: list2-owner(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu > > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > following mailing list posting: > > List: list2(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu > From: xxx(a)jhmi.edu > Subject: this is a post that should be moderated > > The message is being held because: > > The message is not from a list member > > At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the > request. > Begin forwarded message: > > From: mm3-test-mem-owner(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu > Subject: New subscription request to Mm3-test-mem from xxx(a)uw.edu > Date: February 25, 2021 at 12:49:05 PM PST > To: mm3-test-mem-owner(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu > > Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request > approval: > > For: xxx(a)uw.edu > List: mm3-test-mem(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu

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docker-mailman Release Schedule
by matthew＠alberti.us 25 Feb '21

25 Feb '21

Hi, Is there an estimated date that a new docker-mailman release will be issued? I think .3.10 is still the latest, which doesn't include the latest releases of core, web, etc. Thanks.

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Correcting name spellings in a list
by Morris Jones 24 Feb '21

24 Feb '21

I typo'd some full names in a mailing list. I want to correct them ... I can't see a way to do that in the Member Options, so I thought I'd try "remove" and re-add, either from the command line or the UI. But the name gets readded with the typo intact. :( Is there a way to fix it without writing SQL? Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

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Best guide for installing from pypi
by duane＠fairsay.com 24 Feb '21

24 Feb '21

Hi. I've got a partial mailman3 install done and, based on the documentation, am not sure how to complete it! (this is my first time) I've installed mailman3 (3.3.3) on a Debian 10 server using python3.7, mysql, postfix, apache, etc. and have run the install using pip3 install mailman. The "mailman info" command works, version shows "3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer)" the databases creates, tables, all exist, etc. So it seems the necessary services are running. I'm running froxlor on the server to configure the non-mailman services (apache, ssl, postfix, etc). I had also tried apt install mailman-full but it was an older version, so using the pypi route ensured I was on the latest version. Looking at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html, what I can't figure out is: 1) There is no /opt/mailman/ user - the user installed seems to be "list" 2) Is a virtual environment needed for a production environment? 3) if django is setup properly or the webservice is working 4) I've tried to connect to some web interface (posterious/hyperkitty/some mailman3 web frontend) via lynx to localhost:8001 on the local machine - but it has a 404 error Anyone got any tips as to next steps? (I'm also happy to pay someone to coach me through it!) Cheers, Duane

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Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/my@lists.domain.eu/pop-threads
by Marco Marinello 24 Feb '21

24 Feb '21

Dear all, I've setup my own instance of Hyperkitty working as archiver of a Mailman 3 server. It works fine but, sometimes, I get an email of a Django error: Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/my(a)lists.domain.eu/pop-threads KeyError at /hyperkitty/list/my(a)lists.domain.eu/pop-threads 'file' Request Method: GET Django Version: 2.2.12 Python Executable: /usr/bin/python3 Python Version: 3.7.3 Traceback: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in inner 129. if not is_mlist_authorized(request, mlist): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in is_mlist_authorized 146. if mlist.list_id in get_subscriptions(request.user): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/mailman.py" in get_subscriptions 130. _get_value, 60, version=2) # 1 minute File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/cache/backends/base.py" in get_or_set 167. default = default() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/mailman.py" in _get_value 122. for member in mm_user.subscriptions File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/user.py" in subscriptions 66. 'members/find', data={'subscriber': address}) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py" in call 112. error_msg, response, None) During handling of the above exception (HTTP Error 500: <html> <head> <title>Internal Server Error</title> </head> <body> <h1><p>Internal Server Error</p></h1> </body> </html> ), another exception occurred: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py" in __call__ 94. response = response or self.get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 36. response = response_for_exception(request, exc) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in response_for_exception 95. exc_info=sys.exc_info(), File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/utils/log.py" in log_response 228. exc_info=exc_info, File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in error 1412. self._log(ERROR, msg, args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in _log 1519. self.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in handle 1529. self.callHandlers(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in callHandlers 1591. hdlr.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in handle 905. self.emit(record) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/utils/log.py" in emit 119. reporter = ExceptionReporter(request, is_email=True, *exc_info) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/views/debug.py" in __init__ 254. self.template_info = getattr(self.exc_value, 'template_debug', None) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/tempfile.py" in __getattr__ 614. file = self.__dict__['file'] Exception Type: KeyError at /hyperkitty/list/my(a)lists.domain.eu/pop-threads Exception Value: 'file' Request information: USER: myuser GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data Where did I go wrong? Best, Marco

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Help with troubleshooting mailman3 DNS lookups
by Simon Handfield 24 Feb '21

24 Feb '21

Dear users, hoping someone can point me in the right direction. Since we set up mailman3 on Ubuntu last year we have migrated to new DNS servers. The Ubuntu host's systemd-resolved service is correctly using the new DNS servers for lookups and postfix is honouring the change as well. However when messages are sent to mailman3 lists we're still seeing hits on the old DNS servers. I have tried to find a config that references the old servers but have not been able to find one. Can anyone provide a tip on where to look next or if there is something that mailman3 requires to recognise the change? Thanks, Simon. _ [State Library of NSW]<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> Simon Handfield Desktop and Infrastructure Leader simon.handfield(a)sl.nsw.gov.au<mailto:simon.handfield@sl.nsw.gov.au> +61 2 9273 1535 Macquarie Street, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia www.sl.nsw.gov.au<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.

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Bounce Problems
by M4tze 23 Feb '21

23 Feb '21

Dear List, I experience some strange effects regarding the bounce handling. The lists are configured with a bounce_info_stale_after = 7d and bounce_score_threshold = 5. (full config dump here: https://pastebin.com/42uTkdTJ) It just happend, that a user has been disabled but should not when regarding the config. The bounce log for the user looks like this: (see here: https://pastebin.com/bWRPa88H) If I understand the settings correctly, bounce_info_stale_after = 7d means that any bounce received > 7d ago are not counted (which would be intuitive). It seems, that there must be a 7d gap between the last bounce received and a new bounce to get the score reset to 1. Is my interpretation right? Is this intentional? Can this be changed? Kind regards - M4tze

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list owner creation
by Christian Stalberg 22 Feb '21

22 Feb '21

If one inadvertently deleted a list owner account, how could one either create a new account and make them a list owner -or- make an existing account a list owner? Thanks!

3 3

A new issue with installation
by Brian Carpenter 20 Feb '21

20 Feb '21

As usual, a new issue has arisen with installing Mailman 3. It seems Postorius and Hyperkitty want to install a module called cryptography. Which I am unable to install because of this: error: Can not find Rust compiler Question 1: Is cryptography a new addition to Hyperkitty/Postorius? Or was cryptography always included and something else is different about my installation process? "Building wheels for collected packages: hyperkitty, django-haystack, django-mailman3, mailmanclient, robot-detection, rcssmin, django-allauth, cryptography" Question 2: Will Hyperkitty/Postorius work without cryptography? I haven't proceed with this installation once I received the above error. Question 3: Are there any Mailman 3/Postorius/HK documentation that addresses with the installation of cryptography? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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more about spanish translations
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 20 Feb '21

20 Feb '21

I've just made a test creating a user in postorius to change an address that already has a suscription (from mailman 2.1). It's a test address with the digest enabled to be aware from any problem in the digest sending messages (e.g. I had to change all digest addresses to mime whe I did the migration from 2.1) The fact is that I cannot find from which template or Weblate term chains it could be from, and the address confirmation email is a language mix in spanish and english. I copy it down. I would like to translate it all, but as said, I cannot find where to do it. I wonder if it's comes from another package as allauth or something like this. Here is the mail: Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5Bescepticos=2Ees=5D_Por_favor_confirmar_direcci=C3=B3n_de_correo?= =?utf-8?q?_electr=C3=B3nico?= From: postorius(a)XXXXXXXXXXX.es To: XXXXXXXX(a)gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 10:26:26 -0000 Message-ID: <161373038620.5080.16387108004007982309(a)XXXXXXX.es> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1,URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 <dns:XXXXXXXXX.es> [172.67.131.28, 104.21.3.190] <dns:XXXXXXXXXX.es?type=MX> [0 XXXXXXXXXXXX.es.] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on XXXXXXXXXXX.es Hello from XXXXXXXXXXX.es! You're receiving this e-mail because user XXXXXXXXXX(a)gmail.com has given your e-mail address to register an account on XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.es. To confirm this is correct, go to https://XXXXXXXXXXX.es/mailman3/accounts/confirm-email/MTM:1lD2zR:3GpALYKI1… Muchas gracias por usar XXXXXXXXXX.es! XXXXXXXXXXX.es

2 3

How to modify system preferences
by Jack Lenox 19 Feb '21

19 Feb '21

Hello everyone, I've been making headway with getting Mailman 3 to run how I like it. However I've hit something of a road-block with system preferences. By that, I'm referring to the default set of preferences set out in the documentation here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… The documentation states that these are only accessible in a read-only format via the REST API, but presumably there is a way of modifying these somewhere? I can't find a way of specifying this in my config and can't find a relevant example in the sample schema.cfg. At this stage, all I want to do is set the default for "receive_own_postings" to False. Can anyone point me in the right direction here? Many thanks! Jack

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archiving problem & updates
by Christian Stalberg 19 Feb '21

19 Feb '21

Archiving has stopped working. No changes were made to the server. How can I diagnose and troubleshoot this please? Are there instructions for how to update mailman3 somewhere? Is there a listing of bug fixes also? Thank you!

3 5

Membership list changes
by Vako Nicolian 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

Using MM 2.1.33 When I send an email to /{list}-request(a){domain.com} /with /who <password> /on the subject line, I get a list of the members of the list. Here are my questions: A) Is there a way to export the list to cvs or txt format? B) Can we format the list to have it come in name 1st and then email C) display number of members D) Sort the list Thank you, Vako

2 1

spanish localization
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

I contributed in january to translate to spanish all the items left in Mailman Core, Django-mailman, HyperKitty and Postorius via Weblate. I thought they will be used in the next upgrade, but I cannot see any improvement and there are many words untranslated. Is there any way to upgrade the .po files in order to get the last translation? P.S.: I will follow translating the Weblate updates, by the way.

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Mailman, etc. upgrade woes and persistent bugs
by hansen＠rc.org 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

I just had my Mailman suite upgraded. When it got started, I starting receiving messages that hundreds of subscribers to the lists had been disables, including several of the list moderators. This version started supporting bounce processing, but how in the world was this upgrade allowed to act on bounces that were being collected PRIOR to enabling bounce processing?? I got many angry emails, messages and phone calls asking what was going on, as they were bona fide list members. I was very surprised myself. I then looked at several of the disabled accounts, but the subscription info page in Postorius had no information about whether an account was enabled or disabled. Why is this not displayed???. The members can't see if their account is enabled. Is this another example of the disconnect between Mailman and Postorius? Further, even after the upgrade, the moderators still cannot access the list memberships even though all the lists are set to allow that. I would have asked the moderators to do this if this access bug had been fixed, but they can't get there. As a result of these bugs, after consulting with Brian, who helped with the upgrade, I spent many hours re-enabling the several hundred accounts that had been disabled. I had to go through each email notification to find the address of a disabled account, then find the list, then the member, in Postorius, and finally enable the account (at which time Postorius DID show the enabled status). Please, can the next upgrade include these very basic fixes/enhancements, which I requested a long time ago: a. The ability of moderators to see the list membership (a bug). b. The ability of members to change their addresses for all lists they are subscribed to. and further, now: c. That when members go to look at their subscription info, they can actually see the settings. Thank you, Allan

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Mailman3 crashes on restart
by Gelpi Andrea 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

After restarting my mail server mailman3 does not start any more. Mailman3 in on a debian 10. I upgraded the django packets but no result. This the syslog output. Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: Traceback (most recent call last): Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: load_entry_point('mailman==3.2.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 764, in __call__ Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 717, in main Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: rv = self.invoke(ctx) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return super().invoke(ctx) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1137, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 956, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 555, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return callback(*args, **kwargs) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/decorators.py", line 17, in new_func Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 81, in start Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: status, lock = master_state() Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 104, in master_state Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: os.kill(pid, 0) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: PermissionError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted Feb 17 17:00:24 posta systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Feb 17 17:00:24 posta systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Any idea? What have I to check? Thanks -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

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Re: Mailman, etc. upgrade woes and persistent bugs
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

Steve, What I mean by per-user permissions is that some transitions, for example bounce-disabled to enabled, should be only possible by someone with appropriate permission to do so -- perhaps the list admin, perhaps someone else, but not just anyone. Another example _could_ be if a user disables themselves then only that user can re-enable them again (though I can see that might not be good). Of course, you can to some extent group users by role, so 'admin' role is always ok, 'list-owner' role is ok for any action on that list, etc. If you had a 'role' which was 'account-owner' then you can probably code the rule for re-enabling an account disabled by the account owner as "role = admin or role = list-owner or role = account-owner". Whether this needs to be extended to "role=admin or user = guy" (where 'guy' is a named account holder) I don't know... I suspect it would be better if that wasn't done unless it was shown to be necessary, as "here be dragons". Do you see where I'm at? In writing this up it occurs to me that being able to see/edit rules such as these, stored in per-list config, would probably be a good thing. Don't know how practical that is though. Regards, Ruth On 16/02/2021 15:29, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Hi, Ruth, > > Thanks for the comments. I'll have to think about most of it, but I > have one immediate question. > > Ruth Ivimey-Cook writes: > > > > On 13/02/2021 16:34, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > > I don't think separate booleans is a good idea, since they're > > > basically mutually exclusive states[.] > > > > While using one variable makes some sense as you say, it does > > complicate the allowed state transitions especially when per-user > > permissions as well as logic are applied to the situation. > > I don't understand how "per-user permissions" apply here. > > Regards, > Steve -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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Rebuilding a list index fails
by Mark Dadgar 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

Now that I’ve got my instance back up and running on the latest released code, I am trying to rebuild a list index. I am using Xapian via haystack, which worked beautifully before my recent list meltdown. Error messages below. rebuild_index fails with the same error. This is with django version 3.0.12. I am sure I missed reinstalling something or there’s a version mismatch. Thoughts? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 —— (venv) mailman@mail:/opt/mailman/mm/bin$ ./django-admin update_index_one_list xxxxxxs(a)pdc-racing.net Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(execute_from_command_line()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 401, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 395, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 328, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 369, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/update_index_one_list.py", line 41, in handle update_index(listname=options.get("listname")[0], File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 117, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 280, in update_backend backend = haystack_connections[using].get_backend() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 115, in __getitem__ self.thread_local.connections[key] = load_backend( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 61, in load_backend return import_class(full_backend_path) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 23, in import_class module_itself = importlib.import_module(module_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1014, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 991, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 975, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 671, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 783, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 10, in <module> from django.utils import six ImportError: cannot import name 'six' from 'django.utils' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/__init__.py)

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3rd Party Account is not working
by kwp.klein＠gmail.com 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

I installed Mailman 3 with Postfix. I try to login with the 3rd Party Account. It is not possible, because I get this error message: Server error An error occurred while processing your request.

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ham-confirm+3ee85b006eeb5897ca6f53b093cb063672f6a784@example.com
by Jörg Klein 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

I want add some subscribers. When the I get this error message: I have no address ham-request(a)example.com. Do I need for every mailing list more as the mailing list email address? Final-Recipient: rfc822; ham-request(a)example.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: dns; mx0.example.com. (80.237.138.5, the server for the domain example.com.) Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 Address invalid (ID:550:1:1 (mi015.mc1.hosteurope.de)) Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:13:18 -0800 (PST)

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List is down - RemovedInDjango30Warning
by Mark Dadgar 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

So I did the latest mailman upgrades within my venv (per the instructions got from Brian Carpenter when he installed it for me) to the latest version. I had a strange CPU pegging issue that turned out to be mailman struggling with a malformed message but in the process of debugging that I downgraded to the previous mailman release. The resulted in a broken web interface. Today, while debugging, I did a pip install --upgrade of all the components as listed in a previous thread. Now none of the mailman3 processes will start. Doing a bin/mailman-post-update results in the error message below, which are consistent with the issues I saw earlier when trying to access the web interface. Anyone got a solution to this? I suspect it’s something simple, but django is just not my area of expertise. Thanks! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 ——— (venv) mailman@mail:/opt/mailman/mm/bin$ ./mailman-post-update + '[' False == False ']' + mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/static + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin compress Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 66, in __getitem__ return self._engines[alias] KeyError: 'django' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 121, in get_package_libraries module = import_module(entry[1]) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1014, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 991, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 975, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 671, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 783, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/templatetags/admin_static.py", line 5, in <module> from django.utils.deprecation import RemovedInDjango30Warning ImportError: cannot import name 'RemovedInDjango30Warning' from 'django.utils.deprecation' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(execute_from_command_line()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 401, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 395, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 328, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 369, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 277, in handle self.handle_inner(**options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 300, in handle_inner offline_manifest, block_count, results = self.compress(engine, extensions, verbosity, follow_links, log) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 100, in compress if not self.get_loaders(): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 50, in get_loaders for e in engines.all(): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 90, in all return [self[alias] for alias in self] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 90, in <listcomp> return [self[alias] for alias in self] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 81, in __getitem__ engine = engine_cls(params) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 25, in __init__ options['libraries'] = self.get_templatetag_libraries(libraries) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 43, in get_templatetag_libraries libraries = get_installed_libraries() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 108, in get_installed_libraries for name in get_package_libraries(pkg): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 123, in get_package_libraries raise InvalidTemplateLibrary( django.template.library.InvalidTemplateLibrary: Invalid template library specified. ImportError raised when trying to load 'django.contrib.admin.templatetags.admin_static': cannot import name 'RemovedInDjango30Warning' from 'django.utils.deprecation' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py)

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Imported Digest Settings
by Brian Carpenter 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

I am still seeing digest formatting issues with the import of Mailman 2 lists into Mailman 3. I am running the latest stable version of Mailman 3 core which is 3.3.3. This is what my client reported: > For the last three REDACTED digests I have been getting unusual and > unreadable characters? See example below. > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *REDACTED >> *Subject: *REDACTED*Digest, Vol 2453, Issue 2* >> *Date: *February 13, 2021 at 12:30:24 AM PST >> *To: *REDACTED@REDACTED >> *Reply-To: *REDACTED@REDACTED >> >> �P*+]4�LaG@��[� S� XZ[ [�� \� �X�Z\��[ۜ� ‚] [� [�ܙ‚� � �X��ܚX�H ܈ >> [��X��ܚX�H �XH [XZ[ �[� H Y\��Y�H �] �X�X� ܂�� H� [ � ‚] [�\�\]Y\� >> [�ܙ‚�[�H �[� �XX� H \��ۈ X[�Y�[�� H \� ] �] [�[#<^_NSEDR_^#<ۙ\� >> [�ܙ‚�� [� �\ Z[�� X\�H Y ] [�\� �X�X� [�H �� ] \� [ܙH � X�Y�X [� �N� >> �۝ [� � و S� Y�\� �� ^I�� X�΂� K� �N� [� \� � [\ � >> �� ] >> \�B�KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKB�Y\��Y�N�B� >> ] N� �K L� �X��HL ��N�� L ��N� �� ] \� �� ] >> \�]\�X˘��O��X�X� � � S�H �N� [� \� � [\ • Έ �� [�Y[ �� [�Y[ >> ]ܙ[��K�Y O��Έ � S� H �[\ ] ^Y\�� [� \�] [ۘ[ �] �ܚˈ� [� >> [�ܙς�Y\��Y�KRQ � Q� >> � >> KM�� M� N Q �P��PL �P �] \�]\�X˘��O��۝ [� U \ N� ][ \ \� �[ \�] >> ]�N‚X��[� \�OP\ KSXZ[ M ь P�KL�L�KM ��KP�KM��̌#<^_NSEDR_^#<͌ >> L �Y\� H [�� YX�� H \� Y �[[^H [� � X� \� [�� Y] [�� Y�ܙH H Y� >> \� [� ] �Y[\� �\� Y [� �� \�H ��\ ] H ] [ � H �\� ۙH و \� � Y [� ˈ [ >> [�� ]�\�] [�� H �]�H YK �\� [� ]�Y X[ \ \�� [� �\�[ [�� X� [ۜˈ H >> �\�[ [�� X� [ۋ �H �\� �\� H [�� [\ ܝ [� [� �[ XX� H \� � H ۸�&] [�� >> H �]�H [ و \� � Y [� � H �[YH X] \�X[ ˈ ] �\� H ]X� [ܙH >> \�#<^_NSEDR_^#<ۘ[ ^�Y \ ��X� �܈ XX� � Y [� � H ��Y� \� �� ] H [� >> ܚ] [� � Y� H �]�H YH H \�� Y [� ]�[� ] � �� Y\� >> [�H ]�H � �H � � ۛ�� Y� ] \�JK ��\� �܈ �^[ۙ ] � [�� ] \��[� >> ��H ^H T ۙB� ۈ �X�L So the questions I have are: 1. Why does the formatting of digests change for some members when coming from MM2 to MM3? 2. What proble does the above example reveal? 3. What is the best approach to mitigate these issues? What I did: I had the client change the list member's digest setting from plain-text to mime. Was that the right instruction to do? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Bottom line of message footer
by Tom Stoddard 15 Feb '21

15 Feb '21

Here's another question that I have. A regular message just came into my email from one of the lists I'm a member of and it had a 3 line footer. The first two lines are fine, they just include the list's email address and an address to send unsubscribe requests to. The third line is this: %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s It looks to me like it should be a link to the group's list info page. Is this a bug or is there something I can do to fix it? It looks like it might be missing a forward slash after the first "s".

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Unknown templates being used
by Tom Stoddard 15 Feb '21

15 Feb '21

I'm a list owner who has recently (within the last week) had my lists migrated from mailman 2 to mailman 3. The UI that we are using is Affinity. I've reviewed all of the list templates and begun to customize some of them. My issue is that I'm receiving messages that don't match any of the templates. Here is an example of one that I just received this morning. (The x's are inserted by me. The actual message provided valid addresses.) The xxxxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxxxxx.org list has 1 moderation requests waiting. Held Subscriptions: User:xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. When I log in to review the request it appears to be a subscription request awaiting approval. I had previously modified the "Moderator Approval Subscription" template, which is what I would expect to have received in this circumstance. I administer several lists and have received some messages that do use the newly modified template so I assume I did it correctly. Any idea where the template for this message came from? Thanks!

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Dealing with recipients' servers spam filtering
by Gilles Filippini 13 Feb '21

13 Feb '21

Hi, I run a mailman3 instance with mainly private lists for which I know and trust every single member. Some of them have Hotmail email addresses, and the messages they send though our lists are rejected as being spam by most of the recipients' mail servers, while these are legitimate emails. I'd welcome any pointer to best practices / howtos regarding mailman3 / exim4 configuration to mitigate this problem. Many thanks in advance, _g.

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Mailman 3 installation from latest Debian packages
by Matthew Blissett 12 Feb '21

12 Feb '21

Hi, I've installed mailman3-full 3.3.3-1 from Debian bullseye (Debian testing). The dropdown controls on the UI for Postorius (e.g. "Subscription requests", "Mass operations" and the username button to log out) and the similar controls on Hyperkitty (e.g. "Threads by month") do not work. You can see the latter at http://newlistszm.gbif.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/test@newlistszm.gbif.or… I found https://lists.gem5.org/archives/list/gem5-announce@gem5.org/ which is running the same version, but presumably not using these Debian packages as the Javascript is slightly different. Could this be a problem with the Debian packaging, or perhaps my configuration -- which is very close to the defaults (i.e. Mailman and Apache configuration generated by dpkg). Has anyone set up a working installation using these packages? Thanks, Matt Blissett PS, I wrote a similar message earlier in the week to a Debian list: https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-mailman-hackers/2021-February…

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Innstall and run Mailman 3 with Postfix in a Docker enviroment
by kwp.klein＠gmail.com 11 Feb '21

11 Feb '21

## Install Mailman 3 The idea is to install Mailman 3 in ad docker container. Also I want to install Postfix in a container. All the mail which will send and receive should handled in a docker container. The reason is, that on the server only applications in a docker environment working. There is no MTA installed. On the server are Discourse as forum, wikijs, portainer, watchtower, homepage, and the NGINX Proxy Manager installed. At next I need Mailman 3. I don't know how to install and run Postfix for Mailman in a docker environment. Here is my first try. I can visit the site lists.example.com, but I can not set the Admin password. I think the reason is, that the MTA not working. I have a gitlab repo. If you like please look here: https://gitlab.com/joklein/mailman ### Configure the docker-compose.yml file ```yml version: '2' services: postfix: image: mailu/postfix restart: unless-stopped container_name: postfix volumes: - /opt/mailman/postfix:/etc/postfix/main.cf.d - /opt/mailman/core:/opt/mailman ports: - "25:25" networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.6 services: mailman-core: image: maxking/mailman-core:0.3 restart: unless-stopped stop_grace_period: 30s container_name: mailman-core hostname: mailman-core volumes: - /opt/mailman/core:/opt/mailman links: - database:database depends_on: - database environment: - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_CLASS=mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase - SMTP_HOST=172.19.199.1 - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=ZawB3NGBUgbmQcMGhZ0kYIW0WRNw8P9osEudsGiFZWv networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.2 mailman-web: image: maxking/mailman-web:0.3 container_name: mailman-web restart: unless-stopped hostname: mailman-web ports: - "8000:8000" depends_on: - database links: - mailman-core:mailman-core - database:database volumes: - /opt/mailman/web:/opt/mailman-web-data environment: - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=ZawB3NGBUgbmQcMGhZ0kYIW0WRNw8P9osEudsGiFZWv - UWSGI_STATIC_MAP=/static=/opt/mailman-web-data/static - SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN=lists.example.com - MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER=admin - MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL=lists(a)example.com - SECRET_KEY=mailmangeheim networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.3 database: image: postgres:9.6-alpine restart: unless-stopped environment: POSTGRES_DB: mailmandb POSTGRES_USER: mailman POSTGRES_PASSWORD: mailmanpass volumes: - /opt/mailman/database:/var/lib/postgresql/data networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.4 networks: mailman: driver: bridge ipam: driver: default config: - subnet: 172.19.199.0/24 ``` #### Build the API Key für Hyperkitty and SECRET_KEY You can build a key with `pwgen -s 128` #### Make some directorys ```sh mkdir -p /opt/mailman/core mkdir -p /opt/mailman/web mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mailman-web-data/static ``` #### Make a file in /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py ```sh EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = '172.19.199.1' EMAIL_PORT = 25 USE_SSL = False DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = "<E-MAIL>" SERVER_EMAIL = "<E-MAIL>" ``` Change the `<E-MAIL>` with your server address. For example `mailman(a)lists.example.com` So that Postfix also sends your e-mails, you create the file `/opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg` with the following content: ```sh [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 172.19.199.2 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: 172.19.199.1 smtp_port: 25 configuration: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg ``` Now you are ready to start your container: ```sh sudo su - cd /root/mailman-docker docker-compose up -d ``` #### Check the mailman images ```sh docker ps -a CONTAINER ID IMAGE COMMAND CREATED STATUS PORTS NAMES f6990a2f808f maxking/mailman-web:0.3 "docker-entrypoint.s…" 55 seconds ago Up 52 seconds 8000/tcp, 8080/tcp mailman-web a7fa6334b2b8 maxking/mailman-core:0.3 "docker-entrypoint.s…" 58 seconds ago Up 54 seconds 8001/tcp, 8024/tcp mailman-core e8812dc42663 postgres:9.6-alpine "docker-entrypoint.s…" About a minute ago Up 57 seconds 5432/tcp docker-mailman_database_1 ``` #### Check the conection ```sh curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/ ```

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error when starting the mailman executable from the venv
by Christian Stalberg 10 Feb '21

10 Feb '21

I tried to access a 'held' message and got the 'Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.' error message. When I went to start the mailman executable from the venv I get this #~mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman start Starting Mailman's master runner Generating MTA alias maps Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.2', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 829, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 782, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 68, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1259, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1066, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 610, in invoke return callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 21, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 131, in start os.execl(*execl_args) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/os.py", line 539, in execl execv(file, args) TypeError: expected str, bytes or os.PathLike object, not NoneType Please advise. Thank you. ~Christian

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Problems with web interface after upgrade
by Victoriano Giralt 10 Feb '21

10 Feb '21

Hi, I just applied all the recipes that have been recently posted for upgrading (pip install --upgrade of all pieces, migrate, collectstatic) The compress part refuses to work "OFF_LINE", whatever that is. I tried with mailman running and stopped. I can access hte main Postorius page and the basic list information, but I cannot login nor access the archives. Operations end on two exceptions logged to the log file (and two mail messages to the owner = me). Very similar to what I get if I try to --force the "compress". I'm sure I'm missing somethning, but do not know what ... Thanks! Traceback: ERROR 2021-02-09 19:57:41,414 726 django.request Internal Server Error: /listas/accounts/login/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 263, in precompile mod = import_module(mod_name) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 994, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 971, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 953, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 145, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 143, in _get_response response = response.render() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/response.py", line 106, in render self.content = self.rendered_content File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/response.py", line 83, in rendered_content content = template.render(context, self._request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/templatetags/compress.py", line 131, in render return self.render_compressed(context, self.kind, self.mode, forced=forced) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/templatetags/compress.py", line 107, in render_compressed rendered_output = compressor.output(mode, forced=forced) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/css.py", line 49, in output ret.append(subnode.output(*args, **kwargs)) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/css.py", line 51, in output return super(CssCompressor, self).output(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 295, in output output = '\n'.join(self.filter_input(forced)) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 235, in filter_input for hunk in self.hunks(forced): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 205, in hunks precompiled, value = self.precompile(value, **options) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 268, in precompile return True, filter.input(**kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/filters/base.py", line 229, in input return super(CachedCompilerFilter, self).input(**kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/filters/base.py", line 196, in input raise FilterError(err) compressor.exceptions.FilterError: Error: It's not clear which file to import for '@import "../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap"'. Candidates: ../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/_bootstrap.scss ../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap.scss Please delete or rename all but one of these files. on line 4 of static/hyperkitty/sass/hyperkitty.scss >> @import "../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap"; ^ -- Victoriano Giralt Innovation Director Digital Transformation Vicerectorate University of Malaga +34952131415 SPAIN ================================================================== Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure ? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ?

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Reason for Shunting
by Brian Carpenter 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

Is there a way to determine why a message keeps ending up in the shunt queue? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Running Mailman3 v3.2.1 on Devuan 10.0, getting a pid permissions error on Mailman3-web
by rainbear＠gmail.com 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

# service mailman3-web stop [....] Stopping Mailman3-web uWSGI service: mailman3-webstart-stop-daemon: matching on world-writable pidfile /run/mailman3-web/mailman3-web.pid is insecure # ls -l /run/mailman3-web/mailman3-web.pid -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 6 Feb 9 13:00 /run/mailman3-web/mailman3-web.pid # mailman info GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.7.3 (default, Jul 25 2020, 13:03:44) [GCC 8.3.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////var/lib/mailman3/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://*obscured*:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: *obscured* Any help, as always, is greatly appreciated. It's been a while, my old server died on me a few years back, and I'm finally getting around to getting a new one set up. I'd been looking forward to MM3 for *ages*! I can't wait to play! :-D Thank you in advance! If I forgot any relevant info, I'm happy to provide. Best, --Glenn

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API access to Hyperkitty
by Brian Carpenter 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

Is it possible to download Hyperkitty's archives to a remote server via an API? Is there documentation that explains how to accomplish this task? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Hyperkitty_import.py Error
by Brian Carpenter 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

I am trying to import some old archives (going back to 2003) into a Mailman 3 list. The import job is terminating very early in the process with the following error: IndexError: string index out of range 1. Is there a way to fix a mbox file that is generating this type of error? 2. If a message is causing this error, is there a way to import the rest of the mbox file by importing messages after a certain date within the mbox file? I know the --since flag should be able to do that but I am unsure what the date/time format should be. 3. The --no-sync--mailman flag indicates the possibility of doing batch imports. What are batch imports and how do you do them? Thanks! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Implicit Destination Meaning
by Brian Carpenter 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

I just migrated a MM2 list to MM3. The client had no problem sending posts to his list with MM2. However when he posted to his MM3 list, it showed up in the moderation queue: ============ Your mail to 'dogs(a)lists.redacted.org' with the subject mailing list changes Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The message is being held because: Message has implicit destination Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. =========== Is there a List Setting somewhere that needs to be adjusted to allow this sender to post without moderation? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Moderator Approval Subscription template
by Brian Carpenter 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

Hey all, I am seeing a strange issue with the Moderator Approval Subscription template. 1. First problem is that this template by default does not include a URL to the list admin page of said mailing list. Mailman 2's notifications did. 2. Problem 1 can be solved by editing the template and adding the List Owner (admin) url to moderate the subscription. However in the case of long URLs, the URL is getting cut-off in Thunderbird. Not sure about other email clients. So something like: https://list.redeacted.org/admin/list/oligodendroglioma.list.redacted.org comes through to Thunderbird like: https://list.redacted.org/admin/list/oligodendroglioma.list.redact (<-- This is hyperlinked but leaves out the ed.org portion) ed.org (<--- This is not hyperlinked) -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Postorius upgrade issue
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

Folks, I upgraded mailman-web and mailman-core to 3.3.3 in the manner suggested recently (pip install -U) and all seemed well, but have now noticed a strange bug. On the Postorius list admin page (where moderated subscriptions etc can be seen) although the top horizontal menu is present and the links exist, all the links are to that page (i.e. href="#') Is this a known issue, and how can I fix it? Pre upgrade all was well. Regards, Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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Sync list members
by Brian Carpenter 08 Feb '21

08 Feb '21

Hello, Outside of using the REST API, are there any other ways to sync a Mailman 3 roster with a file that contains list members? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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KeyError: 'get_requests_count' after an upgrade
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 08 Feb '21

08 Feb '21

I've just upgrade mailman 3 installation following Mr. Sapiro advice: did a pip install --upgrade django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman mailmanclient mailman-hyperkitty postorius I did a "python3 manage.py migrate" after, too. And all seemed to run well. All the lists showed in postorius via web, but when I try to accesss into one of them the browser shows an error. In the log you can see: *-*-*-*-*-*-* Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 119, in __getattr__ return self._get(name) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 86, in _get raise KeyError(key) KeyError: 'get_requests_count' ... (And after all the traceback lines) AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count' *-*-*-*-*-*-*-* The lists seem to be distributing messeages well.. but I cannot acces via web administration (django/postorius) Can anyone point me in the right direction to solve this, please?

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Footer
by Eric Broens 07 Feb '21

07 Feb '21

Hi, I have created a footer via the webUI "Templates" option, but it is not included in the mails distributed by the mailinglist. From information given in other threads, I checked the DB, and the entry for this footer is created in the template table. The uri for the footer is http://localhost:8000/postorius/api/templates/list/..., but there is no process listening on port 8000. Do I need to install/configure something additionally to get a process listening on port 8000? Thanks in advance,Eric

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Clone or copy Mailman list
by w.schoener＠alp.dillingen.de 05 Feb '21

05 Feb '21

Hi there, i am using a mailman 3.2.1, core Api 3.0, Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3. I have to create a large number of Mailman lists, all with the simulare settings. Is there a way to clone a list with all settings an another list name? Thank you :-) Wolfgang

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Module Not Found Error after update
by Brian Carpenter 05 Feb '21

05 Feb '21

I went to upgrade Mailman 3/Hyperkitty/Postorius on a development server: |pip install --upgrade postorius hyperkitty mailman| The above was done as the user mailman in a venv. I then proceed to run the ./mailman-post-update script in the bin directory. The script through an exception with the following line saying: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'django_mailman3.lib.user' Please advise. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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is it possible to rebuild mailman-web database please?
by Giovanni Biscuolo 30 Jan '21

30 Jan '21

Hello, I'm pretty new to mailman3, especially it's internals. I upgraded a (running fine) mailman3 service from NixOS 20.03 https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Mailman to NixOS 20.09 https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/index.html#module-services-mailman After the upgrade I got this very same issue: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/328 --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- mailman mailman-web-setup-start[1832]: raise utils.IntegrityError( mailman mailman-web-setup-start[1832]: django.db.utils.IntegrityError: The row in table 'hyperkitty_attachment' with primary key '1' has an invalid foreign key: hyperkitty_attachment.email_id contains a value '7' that does not have a corresponding value in hyperkitty_email__old.id. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I was not able to fix the migration issue so I recreated the mailman-web sqlite database (/var/lib/mailman-web) using the "migrate" function. After that, and after recreating the database many times, I'm getting this error when trying to access the web interface: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Jan 26 11:34:30 OMISSIS env[18167]: django.db.utils.OperationalError: no such table: django_site --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Actually the django_site table is in the database so I can't understand why of this message. Please is there a way to recreate the mailman-web database from scratch or to fix this kind of problems? Thanks! Giovanni -- Giovanni Biscuolo

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So near, and yet so far (Configuring Mailman)
by j＠cklenox.earth 30 Jan '21

30 Jan '21

Hello all, I've spent more time than I care to admit trying to configure Mailman. And I almost have it all working now, but I just can't seem to get my Mailman/Postfix combo to receive emails. When I try to send emails to lists I'm rebuffed with undelivered notices with: <testlist(a)lists.fiftyshadesof.green>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=lists type=AAAA: Host not found and: <testlist(a)lists.fiftyshadesof.green>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=lists.fiftyshadesof.green type=MX: Host not found, try again This to me appears to be an issue with my DNS settings, but I can't work this out either. I have an A record for lists.fiftyshadesof.green pointing at my server, and an MX record pointing at that: lists.fiftyshadesof.green. 0 IN MX 0 lists.fiftyshadesof.green. lists.fiftyshadesof.green. 0 IN A 193.37.35.191 I have driven myself mad with this and would very much appreciate any advice anyone can offer. Many thanks! Jack

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API errors making member changes to one list but not others
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats 28 Jan '21

28 Jan '21

We had an issue with the UI getting API timeouts for a single list for specific functions but not other lists or other functions. This started happening after we accidentally filled the disk partition used by most of the system including the database. There was a single person testing at the time when the disk fullness happened and it was only the single list that got ‘damaged’. After disk cleanup and restarting the docker images the single list would give API errors ("HTTP Error 400: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5)” ) on the screen and logged errors (below) when list members were either subscribed or removed. The issue was repeatable in Postorius and did not ‘heal’. Oddly the issue was resolved by making seemingingly the same API calls from the command line via curl. Making the below call to add a member succeeded and fixed being able to add members in the UI. Similarly sending a DELETE cal from curl worked where unsubscribe requests from postorius (either mass removal or picking addresses from the list member and unsubscribing selected) failed. Again, the unsubscribe from the curl DELETE call ‘healed’ the list such that subsequent unsubscribes in Postorius worked. curl --user user:password -X POST -d 'list_id=laura-test.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu' -d 'subscriber=ssw(a)uw.edu' -d 'pre_verified=true' -d 'pre_confirmed=true' -d 'pre_approved=true' http://172.19.199.2:8001/3.1/members We’re running the current rolling docker images (up to date as of 25Jan2021) Obviously, people should run their servers better than letting disk partitions fill-up but it’s going to happen and mailman3 should do a better job of reporting errors and recovering when accidents happen. thanks, steve I’ve included mailman.log lines from going to the mass subscribe [26/Jan/2021:20:42:49 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu HTTP/1.1" 200 434 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:42:49 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:42:49 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:43:01 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu HTTP/1.1" 200 434 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" Jan 26 20:43:07 2021 (48) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 426, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 421, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 268, in _read_status line = str(self.fp.readline(_MAXLINE + 1), "iso-8859-1") File "/usr/lib/python3.8/socket.py", line 669, in readinto return self._sock.recv_into(b) socket.timeout: timed out During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 439, in send resp = conn.urlopen( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 724, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 403, in increment raise six.reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/packages/six.py", line 735, in reraise raise value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 670, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 428, in _make_request self._raise_timeout(err=e, url=url, timeout_value=read_timeout) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 335, in _raise_timeout raise ReadTimeoutError( urllib3.exceptions.ReadTimeoutError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 343, in _step_do_subscription self.member = self.mlist.subscribe( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 507, in subscribe notify(SubscriptionEvent( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/event/__init__.py", line 32, in notify subscriber(event) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/membership.py", line 176, in handle_SubscriptionEvent send_welcome_message(mlist, member, member.preferred_language) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/notifications.py", line 51, in send_welcome_message welcome_message = wrap(getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 188, in get contents = getUtility(ITemplateManager).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 110, in get contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 38, in get response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 76, in get return request('get', url, params=params, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 61, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 530, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 643, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 529, in send raise ReadTimeout(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) [26/Jan/2021:20:43:07 +0000] "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 400 130 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:43:07 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:43:07 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" Then the results of a successful subscribe: [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/list2.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu HTTP/1.1" 200 388 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 201 0 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/list2(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/list2(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2” >

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Perplexing unsubscribing notification problem
by Brian Carpenter 27 Jan '21

27 Jan '21

Hi MM3 Users, I have a perplexing issue with one of our Mailman 3 servers. It doesn't want to send out unsubscribe notifications when a List Owner removes a list member. The server sends out welcome messages and subscription notifications fine just not unsubscribe notifications when a List Owner removes a list member. It will send out an unsubscribe notification if the list member sends an email to listname-leave@listdomain both to the List Owner and List Member. Nothing is showing in the logs as far as I can tell. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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I like your style, but what is it?
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats 27 Jan '21

27 Jan '21

How do I get a dump of list settings for each style. Thanks, steve p.s. the search on https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html gives results but every link needs to have ‘projects/mailman/‘ removed from the url to work.

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Problem updating mailman
by Odhiambo Washington 26 Jan '21

26 Jan '21

I am getting this error after I did a git pull and build. (venv) [mailman3@gw ~/git]$ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman-post-update + '[' False == False ']' + mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/static + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 +* /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin compress* CommandError: An error occurred during rendering /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.3.4rc2-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/404.html: /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/dependency.rb:311:in `to_specs': Could not find 'sass-listen' (~> 4.0.0) among 4 total gem(s) (Gem::MissingSpecError) Checked in 'GEM_PATH=/opt/mailman/.gem/ruby/2.7:/usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/2.7', execute `gem env` for more information from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1446:in `block in activate_dependencies' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1435:in `each' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1435:in `activate_dependencies' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1417:in `activate' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems.rb:305:in `block in activate_bin_path' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems.rb:304:in `synchronize' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems.rb:304:in `activate_bin_path' from /usr/local/bin/sass:23:in `<main>' The other output from this process is so long so I pasted it here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/tsB2CCNrQG/ Thanks -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

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Language Support In Templates
by Brian Carpenter 26 Jan '21

26 Jan '21

Hello MM3 Users, I have a question regarding the use of templates in different languages. I created a template for the unsubscribe notification in Postorius in Greek. The template shows up fine in Greek via Postorius. However the email that is sent out has a bunch of question marks where the Greek should be: ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? email ???? ???, ????? ????? ? ??????????? GNU Mailman ???? ????? $. ?????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ?? ????????? email $user_email ?????? ?? GNU Mailman ?????? ?? ?????????? ??? ??????? ???, ?????? ????? ?? ????????????? ?? ?????? ???. ???????? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ?????????? ?? ???? ?? ??????. ? ?? ?????? ?? ????????????? ??? ???????? ?????? - ??? ???? ?? ???????? line - ?? ??? ?????? ???? ?? $ request_email: confirm $token ????????? ??? ? ???? ???????? "?????????" ?? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ?????????????. ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??????????? ??? ????? ?? ????????? ???????????? ????????????, ????? ???????? ??? ??????. ??? ????????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ??? ?? ?????, ? ????? ????? ?????????, ???????? ?? ?????????????? $owner_email What does it take to get templates to send out messages in a different language then the interface itself. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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How to approve moderated messages via email?
by Brian Carpenter 24 Jan '21

24 Jan '21

What is the protocol to approve moderated messages via email? I hope I asking the question correctly. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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False attachments in Outlook 2019?
by Brian Olesen 24 Jan '21

24 Jan '21

Dear Mailman 3 users, I seriously think of upgrading from Mailman 2.1.33 to this new RC2 or the final one, when it comes out. But there is an annoying issue that I'd like to ask you about. It's the false attachments that Outlook creates for the footer. Is this still an issue when using Mailman 3, or have you made some sort of work around? I mean here in 2021 it could be nice to use html as the default mail format to be able to create nice looking mails, and due to EU regulations an unsubscription is a requirement. Best regards Brian Olesen from Denmark P.S. If this issue has been solved I will happily translate the mail templates into Danish if wanted.

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Blocked by Hotmail
by Tom ＠ Gather 23 Jan '21

23 Jan '21

I am getting rejections from Hotmail Jan 18 14:42:22 mail postfix/smtp[6571]: 046713F914: to=< helen_maryd(a)hotmail.com>, relay=hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.58.161]:25, delay=0.14, delays=0.06/0.03/0.04/0.01, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.58.161] said: 550 5.7.1 Unfortunately, messages from [167.99.151.239] weren't sent. Please contact your Internet service provider since part of their network is on our block list (S3140). You can also refer your provider to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. [ BN8NAM11FT014.eop-nam11.prod.protection.outlook.com] (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) I have submitted a ticket to https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/supportrequestform/8ad563e3-288e-2a61-8… Not sure why they are blocking me. Not on any other blacklists per mxtoolbox... Anyone else experienced this? How to resolve? My mail server is on Digital Ocean if that makes any difference. Thanks for any help -- Tom for the Gather Team https://info.gather.coop

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