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Re: hosted signup is producing unexpected results
by tokyoprogressive＠mailbox.org Sept. 17, 2019

Sept. 17, 2019

I mistakenly posted twice. Please see: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Sent from my iPhone

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Execution of msgfmt failed when performing post upgrade steps
by Torge Riedel Sept. 17, 2019

Sept. 17, 2019

Hi, I'm currently running a test setup of MM3 using Mark Sapiros approach with two venv. I also adopted his post-upgrade-script for the web part (django). Just some minutes ago I updated the packages of my test setup with pip3 where hyperkitty is now 1.3.0 When runnin the post-upgrade-script I get the following error message: Execution of msgfmt failed: /opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/locale/nb_NO/LC_MESSAGES/django.po:630: duplicate message definition... /opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/locale/nb_NO/LC_MESSAGES/django.po:273: ...this is the location of the first definition msgfmt: found 1 fatal error Not sure whether this is an error of MM3 or one of its dependency packages. Best regards Torge

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hosted signup is producing unexpected results
by tokyoprogressive＠mac.com Sept. 17, 2019

Sept. 17, 2019

In my test of the two forms of signup, I am getting these unexpected results. Is it my settings or is something weird within the program itself? 1) https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… 2) Choose "You can also subscribe without creating an account. If you wish to do so, please use the form below" 3) Then I have to approve it. They get "Welcome to the "Discuss" mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org 4) But I have to approve it.I assume this is because they do not yet have a real account. And they should be listed as a NON MEMBER? 5) But even when they sign up here: https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/signup/?next=%2Fpostorius%2Flist… they get an email from my provider (NOT MY LIST????) as follows: "Hello from mailman3.emwd.com! You're receiving this e-mail because user iCloud has given yours as an e-mail address to connect their account. To confirm this is correct, go to https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/confirm-email/MTE3:1iA44k:E7w7xh… Thank you from mailman3.emwd.com! mailman3.emwd.com" 6) And this is where it gets weird. If they send from their email program and get the welcome (Welcome to the "Discuss" mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org You can unsubscribe or make adjustments to your options via email by sending a message to....... I then get a notice: "Your mail to 'discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org' with the subject test notice Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The message is being held because: The message is not from a list member" 7) While if they send FROM THE interface it goes through. 8) What I am confused about. Signing up for an account should make them a member, right? Subscribing should make them a non member, no? But here it seems that both make them a non member. And worse, someone with an account sending from the Interface has their message get through while the same person sending from an email program has me get a notice that a non member is trying to post. Before I can move my actual members over from another mailing list provider, I want to make sure what works and what doesn't. Thanks. paul!!!

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HyperKitty and duplicate emails across maillists
by Derek Lambert Sept. 17, 2019

Sept. 17, 2019

How does HyperKitty handle duplicate messages/message-ids across maillists? We have quite a few lists that are members of other lists. I'm in the process of importing our old Mailman 2.1 archives and seeing a lot of duplicate message errors, and wondering if this is why. Would new messages coming into Mailman be handled the same way? Thanks, Derek

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Template's encoding setup
by Ugnius Sept. 15, 2019

Sept. 15, 2019

I use Lithuanian language (it has special characters like ąčįū...) for regular message template feature. I noticed that some posts come correct, but some have question marks (?) in places of these characters. Looks like there is sittings trick. But footers adds mailman, so it should be always correct, or it depends on senders environment setup? Kind regards Ugnius

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Weird recipient
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 12, 2019

Sept. 12, 2019

Both before and after upgrading tonight, my lists send out bizarre recipients that I cannot understand. It usually happens at the end of the distribution to other valid recipients. Sep 5 10:05:54 www postfix/smtp[3344]: A5DF9FA14E: to=<0101016d00e302ec-4db56da5-fd69-4b5e-9327-292c55e13ea8-000000(a)us-west-2.amazonses.com>, relay=email-smtp.us-west-2.amazonaws.com[52.36.120.66]:587, delay=2.4, delays=0/0/2.2/0.22, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.us-west-2.amazonaws.com[52.36.120.66] said: 501 Invalid MAIL FROM address provided (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) Help! This behaviour is able to be replicated - it happens on every post. Andrew

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Alter Messages: Reply to confusion
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 12, 2019

Sept. 12, 2019

This is one thing I am confused about. The explanations in the settings about No Munging, etc. are not completely clear. MY GOAL What I want to make sure, since this is a discussion list, is that most messages go to the mailing list, not to individuals. I plan to put something in one of the templates to remind people that a reply goes to the discussion list. If they do not want to send it to everyone, they should send to the original poster. 1) I understand there are plusses and minuses but I am not sure I understand the explanation given. If it IS preferable to use NO MUNGING, how do I make sure that this is easy to accomplish? 2) I can put something in the footer of every message to remind people, but first I need confirmation of what I should choose in this section. Thanks in advance.

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Mailman 3 installation, no mails in hyperkitty, unable to add footer.
by ugniusviln＠gmail.com Sept. 12, 2019

Sept. 12, 2019

I have read documentation, but still have stupid questions, could You please help, because I can't make it working. I do not understand something important. I have no experience with python at all. I have mailman 3, python 3.5 in my debian OS system, and additional packages like uwsgi and ect. using https://buildmedia.readthedocs.org/media/pdf/gnu-mailman/latest/gnu-mailman… about till chapter 6. I understand mailman suite has hyperkitty already. But I am not sure about: 1. Does mailman-suite have hyper-kitty inside? Because if I run $python manage.py runserver - it runs. In installed it under dedicated OS user home and fonfigured to run. I can create lists, event add lists to hyperkitty page using: $django-admin runjob new_lists_from_mailman list server sends messages to list members as well. But nothing happens more. No emails come to hyperkitty, arciver log 0 size. $ python manage.py runjobs -l shows the lists of the jobs, so seems nothing to add. Except uwsgi.ini, I have only 2 configuration files in mailman-suite project directory: settings.py and mailman.cfg So I do not understand what did I configured badly. 2. If I (using Postorius web interface) add footer template to my list under regular message, something strange happens. Mailman stops to send messages for list members. No any entries in the logs. Just Mailman log writes: "unable to connect localhost port 25" and no more explanation. If I delete list's footer template (web interface), mailman starts working again. What is bad here? How to add custom footer? In mailman 2 if was working so good and was easy to setup.

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Suspend a list temporarily
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 12, 2019

Sept. 12, 2019

Is there any way to do this, while keeping other lists running?

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Re: HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER
by Ugnius S Sept. 11, 2019

Sept. 11, 2019

Could You please confirm that this parameter should be placed in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file? I have checked mailman/postorius/hyperkitty owner user can write files there and web user group has privileges to write and to read, but *no any files appear there*. Mailman works, it is possible to download attachments from hyperkitty. Mailman restarted, uwsgi restarted, runjobs restarted. No files in /full/path/to/folder/ File looks like: [general] base_url: https://flistserv.example.com/hyperkitty/ api_key: BlaBlabla HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = /full/path/to/folder/ BR Ugnius 2019-09-11, tr, 21:21 Ugnius S <ugniusviln(a)gmail.com> rašė: > Thank You so much. > > 1) https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html > Close to the end before the "UPDATE" topic, chapter "Customization". > > 2) > https://buildmedia.readthedocs.org/media/pdf/hyperkitty/stable/hyperkitty.p… > Page 10, chapter 2.8 "Customization" > > BR > Ugnius > > 2019-09-11, tr, 20:16 Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> rašė: > >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Ugnius S wrote: >> > Hi. >> > >> > Can anybody send example how to set it? It is mentioned in >> documentation, >> > but very vaguely. >> >> If you can point out where did you find it in docs, I can update it. >> Information is kind of duplicated in a few places. >> >> > HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = /full/unix/path >> >> This is the right value. >> >> It is a path on the filesystem, where the user running Hyperkitty is >> allowed to write. >> >> > >> > HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = http://localhost:8000/something >> > >> > HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = ./var/data/something/ >> > >> > Has anybody experience of using this, maybe have recommendations of >> using >> > it? Better under project user or better under web content owner where >> the >> > static content is. I would like to store attachments separately to avoid >> > growing database. >> > Hyperkitty documentation: >> > By default, HyperKitty stores the email attachments in the database. >> If >> > you would rather have them stored on the filesystem, you can set the >> > HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER configuration value to a directory. >> > Make sure that the user running the Django process (for example, apache >> or >> > www-data) has the permissions to write in this directory. >> > >> > ------------- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > >> >> -- >> thanks, >> Abhilash Raj (maxking) >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> >

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HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER
by Ugnius S Sept. 11, 2019

Sept. 11, 2019

Hi. Can anybody send example how to set it? It is mentioned in documentation, but very vaguely. HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = /full/unix/path HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = http://localhost:8000/something HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = ./var/data/something/ Has anybody experience of using this, maybe have recommendations of using it? Better under project user or better under web content owner where the static content is. I would like to store attachments separately to avoid growing database. Hyperkitty documentation: By default, HyperKitty stores the email attachments in the database. If you would rather have them stored on the filesystem, you can set the HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER configuration value to a directory. Make sure that the user running the Django process (for example, apache or www-data) has the permissions to write in this directory. -------------

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Custom templates error and archive link
by Ugnius S Sept. 11, 2019

Sept. 11, 2019

My server uses https connection. According this error seems that certificate of course has not localhost written in it: requests.exceptions.SSLError: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /mailman3/api/ templates/list/example.com/list:user:notice:welcome (Caused by SSLError(CertificateError("hostname 'localhost' doesn't match either of 'listserv.example.com', 'example.com', 'www.example.com ",),)) ------ Second question, is archiver template example: $hyperkitty_url: Permalink to archived message in Hyperkitty If to set as in the example, then it add " : " to the end of the line, and link does not work. I would recommend to update it. My question is: My server's address is listserv.example.com, but mailman to email message variable $hyperkitty replaces like https://example.com/.... What does then happen? https://example.com does not point to my web interface address. I have resolved it with the Apache2 redirection tools, but is it possible to set it correct in mailman's configuration? Kind regards Ugnius

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mailman-users archive search
by Mark Dale Sept. 10, 2019

Sept. 10, 2019

Is this list's search function kaput, or is it an issue with MM3, or is it me? *** https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/search?mlist=mailman-users%40mailman3.o… *** Mailman-users search results for query "Postorius" mailman-users(a)mailman3.org 0 messages Sorry no email could be found for this query. /Mark

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django 2.2.5 which is incompatible
by Mark Dale Sept. 10, 2019

Sept. 10, 2019

Hi, On Debian, in the process of setting up Mailman 3.3.0 I'm getting: $ pip3 install postorius ... django-mailman3 1.3.0 has requirement Django<2.2,>=1.11, but you'll have django 2.2.5 which is incompatible. ... Successfully installed Django-2.2.5 ... Which may or may not be causing a later error when creating superuser: ImportError: No module named django.core.management Am I missing the obvious somewhere? Thanks, Mark

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Google auth issue redirect_uri_mismatch
by Ugnius S Sept. 9, 2019

Sept. 9, 2019

Hi. New question about configuration, maybe somebody has experience and know what I should change it. I have tried to implement Google authorisation. I have created Google credentials keys and successfully added using Django admin page. I use UWSGI proxy for apache setup like "ProxyPass / http://127.0.0.1:8002", UWSGI runs on 0.0.0.0:8002. (So Appache from external address redirects to internal) What happens when I try Google auth... If I set Authorised redirect URIs: http://lists.example.com/accounts/google/login/callback/ , Google gives me error 400 Error: redirect_uri_mismatch and requests for: http://127.0.0.1:8002/accounts/google/login/callback/ If I set that requested address to Google, then Google authorises me, but and after authorisation redirects to http://127.0.0.1:8002/accounts/google....../.... (very long line) Of course this internal address does not open, but... If I just manually replace part of address just: http://127.0.0.1:8002 replace to https://lists.example.com/.../...(long line) this makes me get in as authorised user to the page. How to make django to send external request to Google? Because Google should not point back to internal address... This seems simple, but I do not find what I should change in the configuration: Apache or Django or uwsgi.ini I hope anybody of You have experience and made it to run. Kind regards Ugnius

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Downloads corrupt
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 8, 2019

Sept. 8, 2019

Latest upgrade version has not improved matters. When I download, the file is generated but it is ten bytes long and obviously therefore corrupt. Why am I the only one seeing this error? What can I do to diagnose it? Andrew

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Dmarc settings and
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 8, 2019

Sept. 8, 2019

In a long thread I asked this but have not gotten a clear enough explanation. Presumably, to insure fewer problems with users of Yahoo etc,, there seem to be two settings: 1) Alter messages 2) Dmarc mitigations I don’t understand how my choice in one affect the other, if they do even, Two experts have tried to help, but I think I need a little hand holding. I understand there is no consumer ready manual and all I have found us this: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/docs/dmarc-mi… My settings; REPLY GOES TO LIST (alter messages)--current settings REPLACE FROM: with list (DMARC mitigations) -> current settings DMARCH Mitigation YES OR NO (DMARC mitigations)--> currently NO I was told that Dmarc mitigations YES might prevent people from not getting mail How about Replace from with list? How about reply goes to list? In other words, what is the relationship between these two different menu items and the effect of the settings in one on the settings of the other? Can anyone help a confused would be happy user? Thanks? If so, what about the Alter Messages settings:

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sqlite3 Database "read only" error on mailman_sync job
by ugniusviln＠gmail.com Sept. 6, 2019

Sept. 6, 2019

Hi. All the project installation is under the same user / path and it works. Archiving working as well, (just one remark: no matter what to set in postorius, hyperkitty shows list as public) I have found work around - it is possible to change list as private in "admin" page. I started to get issues with runjobs after I have created couple of new lists with "no archive" option. If as owner user from project home I run: django-admin mailman_sync Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/user/.local/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/home/user/.local/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 383, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) sqlite3.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database "django-admin runjob sync_mailman " - makes read only errors as well. "django-admin runjob new_lists_from_mailman" django.db.utils.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database END TRACEBACK I did not find information how to fix this. It was worked without errors before. I noticed, that if I stop mailman, "django-admin mailman_sync" starts to work. If I start "mailman start", then "django-admin mailman_sync" failing again. I did not check other jobs, but I think what is related to database, will get errors. Seems mailman locking the database. It is not a file permissions issue. Mailman db location is: /project_directory/var/data/mailman.db if to rename /project_directory/var/data/mailman.db to something, mailman creates database file size 0, django-admin runjobs start working, but of course postorius stops working. I did it for testing. I have returned this database file back, postorius started to work again, but django-admin runjobs does not work, error: "database read only". Please help me how to fix this issue.

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Mass subscribe bug - if you delete and re-add users it does not use updated info
by roger＠reasonal.com Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Hi all -- think this is a bug. I had added some users as a mass subscribe. Some were Name Surname <name(a)foo.bar> format, some were just email addresses. I wanted to update the member list with complete name & email addresses. I unsubscribed the partials, and re-added them as full versions. However the updated member list keeps showing the partial address only. This bug also works the other way. I added "Bob Smith <bob(a)bob.com>", checked it was there in list. Unsubscribed the address, and then re-added as "bob(a)bob.com" -- now in the members list it appears as the full "Bob Smith <bob(a)bob.com>.

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Posting replies vs starting a thread via email
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

In my tests where replies go to the list, when a person uses the email client? So far a reply to the original message and a reply to a reply to a reply all go in the same thread. Is this standard? Do I have to warn users not to have endless Re re re re? And the other question is what happens if a user sends a message via email with a new subject? Does the list accept it as a new thread? This should be one of my last big questions. Thank you. Paul

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Mailman Suite release announcement
by Abhilash Raj Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Hi All, I am pleased to announce new releases for Mailman Suite, including - Mailman Core 3.3.0 (Tom Swayer) - Mailmanclient 3.3.0 - django-mailman3 1.3.0 - Postorius 1.3.0 - Hyperkitty 1.3.0 This is a feature release and also includes a bunch of bugfixes. I am really really thankful to a lot of contributors who have helped out with this release. It is really nice to see Mailman 3 gaining more users and contributors. Python 3.5 is the minimum supported version, but all the releases have been tested to work with Python 3.5-3.7. This is the last release to support Python 3.5 since it has been in security only maintenance mode for a while now. Some of the highlights of this release includes: Mailman Core 3.3.0 - Support for ARC signing. Thanks to Gene Shuman and Stephen Turnbull. - Many many improvements to "mailman import21" command. Thanks to Mark Sapiro. - Addition of French templates. Thanks to Stéphane Parunakian. - A better and more scalable REST API server using Gunicorn. - Support for SMTPS/STARTTLS. Thanks to J08ny. A full copy of change log is available at: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html Postorius 1.3.0 - Many more settings for MailingList configuration exposed, including preferred language, digest related settings. - Support for FILTER_VHOST to filter MailingLists based on the serving domain. Thanks to Nate Coraor. - Ability to write MailingList info in Markdown to render info in HTML instead of Plaintext. A full copy of change log is available at: https://postorius.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html Hyperkitty 1.3.0 - Unread messages, when logged in, are more easily recognizable with blue envelope icon. - Improved thread view with colored background for quoted parts of messages. - Improved readability on small screens by removing the indentation in thread view. A full copy of the change log is available at: https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html All the packages are available to download from PyPi (https://pypi.org) https://pypi.org/project/postorius/ https://pypi.org/project/hyperkitty/ https://pypi.org/project/django-mailman3/ https://pypi.org/project/mailman/ https://pypi.org/project/mailmanclient/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Re: Amazon SES
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

No, out of the sandbox, and fully verified. Andrew On 5/9/19 12:18 pm, S. Selby Mats Mats wrote: > Are you still in the “Amazon SES sandbox”?

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Amazon SES
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Is it possible to use Amazon SES with Mailman? Despite my best efforts, I have conclusively verified my sending domain, but Amazon SES rejects mails with the 'sender email not verified' message. If you verify a domain, you do not have to verift individual senders. The help from amazon SES mentions it looks at several headers, but I am not sure what is what. Has anybody had success with this? Andrew'

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My email address appears in quoted test in my list. Hoot change that.
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Hi. I thought I had the settings right, but I do not see one to get rid of this. My name appears as "On Tue, Sep 3, 2019, at 9:26 PM, paul(a)domainname.org wrote. How can I hide that?

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How to delete an archive
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

I deleted a list but I want to delete the archive as well. How do you do that? Also, I had a list called Test. I deleted it. I made a new list called Testing, with a different email address, bu the archive points to the test list. This seems to be messed up. Why? I am sorry to say I have had continuous trouble with many aspects of Hyperkitty from the beginning several months ago. I know that is not helpful, but I am starting to wonder about all this. Andrew

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Editing templates from settings
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Hello again. Gradually coming along thanks to the help of other members. One thing I want to do is edit my headers or footers to have key info about my site. But it seems even if I skip spaces, when a message is received the spaces disappear. Likewise, is there any way to add basic formatting like BOLD? For example, if I make a footer like this... Skipping a space here __/__/__/__/__/_/__/__/__/__/ Our List _/__/__/__/__/_/__/__/__/__/ Skipping a space here ...the centering disappears, as do the skipped spaces, meaning the message after a header or before a footer looks cluttered, Is there a fix? Thank you.

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Editing templates from settings
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Hello again. Gradually coming along thanks to the help of other members. One thing I want to do is edit my headers or footers to have key info about my site. But it seems even if I skip spaces, when a message is received the spaces disappear. Likewise, is there any way to add basic formatting like BOLD? For example, if I make a footer like this... Skipping a space here __/__/__/__/__/_/__/__/__/__/ Our List _/__/__/__/__/_/__/__/__/__/ Skipping a space here ...the centering disappears, as do the skipped spaces, meaning the message after a header or before a footer looks cluttered, Is there a fix? Thank you.

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Save original message/headers in HyperKitty?
by Derek Lambert Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Is it possible to configure HyperKitty to store the original messages, or the headers? Has this ever been discussed? Thanks, Derek Lambert

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Basic settings for a discussion list
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Over the last 20 hours I have been trying to figure out setup for list members to sign up. One person has kindly helped out, though I am still unsure of the difference between the several signups. That thread is here and I welcome more advice. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… But it occurs to me that my problem is that I have not actually configured my list. So this thread is for help on that. I have found a guide for general users here: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/userguide.html But I have only found a highly technical guide for administrators here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… It is written for coders and I am looking for a guide similar to the one for users. It seems not to exist yet. WHAT I WANT Discussion only list. Ideally anyone who signs up via the various ways should be able to get the archives and post via email and the interface if they want. The list should be closed to others. In the absence of any guide, all I can do is cross check with you guys and hope I am on the right track. I am non technical, although I managed a Mailman 2 list without difficulty. 1) FIRST ANOMALY Under https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ I see myself twice: List Name Subscription Address Delivery Mode Role discuss.list.tokyoprogressive.org paul(a)tokyoprogressive.org None member discuss.list.tokyoprogressive.org paul(a)tokyoprogressive.org regular owner Is this correct? I added My name in one field somewhere and this is the result. I even got a welcome message. I think it is because I subscribed to my own list.If this was not necessary, what should I do? Global based preferences are listed. Address and email based ones are not showing either enabled or disabled. 2) MANAGE LISTS For myself I have done the following in my MAILING LIST SETTINGS Subscribe to this list My email and name (Maybe that is why i am listed twice) Now I see 3) Users For now only me- I am listed as member and owner. There will be no other moderators or owners I have no idea what a non member is (if they register aren't they a member?) 4) Templates This is showing nothing at this point. Before it was. I am not sure what i did to stop it from showing. Perhaps because I made it a private list? 5) Settings a) List identity I have it set for NOT SHOWING on the Index page because I will link to it from my news magazine website as a way to comment on articles. Is this ok? Other data will be filled in later. I think I am confusing this with private list. I also will have no other list. b) AUTO RESPOND LIST OWNER-- I added a short note thanking people. Respond and Continue Processing c) AUTO RESPOND POSTER--Your message has been been received. If you are a member, it should be posted soon. Respond and Continue Processing d) AUTO RESPOND REQUESTS--No auto response OTHER THINGS DEFAULT e) URL WELCOME MESSAGE--NOT SURE. I want people to subscribe themselves but I also have 500 people from another list from DADA I will import. I want them automatically be able to post. Is it possible? If so, I hope to add them manually. DO I compose a text on my website and welcome them by adding the URL, or enter it in my list? f) NOTIFY OF MEMBERSHIP CHANGES--Yes g) ALTER MESSAGES ---I have left most things as they are. However, as this is a discussion list, I want replies ONLY to go to the list. I chose that. h) DMARC --I have left as is i) DIGEST--I have left as is 6) MASS OPERATIONS--I have left as is 7) BAN--left as is 8) MESSAGE ACCEPTANCE--I have left as is 9) HEADER FILTERS--left as is 10) ARCHIVES--Private Archives (Maybe this is why templates do not show???) 11) SUBSCRIPTION POLICY--MODERATE-- I intend to send them an email to confirm their reasons for subscribing to avoid spammers. LAST THING. My Gravity does not work. I edited it online as per instructions but it does not appear. That is all I can think of. Thanks in advance. paul

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Trying to configure a list (hosted)
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 4, 2019

Sept. 4, 2019

Is there a how to on how to configure a list? For example, using a hosted option, I see this menu: Subscription requests Held messages Users Templates Settings Mass operations Banned addresses Header filters And cling on settings, for example. I have already removed my list from the list of lists on the server since I want my website users to only see my list. They can either do that here https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… or here https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/signup/ I actually do not WANT people to join without being able to use the web interface because it is intended to be a discussion list. So the option to subscribe without creating an account. is confusing to me, which is why I prefer the latter. BUT...using a test of signing up myself (using 3 other email addresses I have), some using the subscription option and some using the bottom one (no account), all the email addresses end up in my members list and non end up in my non members list. (So I am wondering what a non member is. I had thought it was someone who signed up without registering (just name, no password), but if so i wonder why all 3 of my addresses end up in the members place. Lastly, I want to configure it as a discussion list. However, I do not see that option, which was clear in MAILMAN 2. (And I understand that if someone registers without making an account, I cannot set them myself to have an account enabling them to see the archives and post from the web? If it IS possible, that would be great, because the purpose of the archives in my case is to enable better discussions than if one has only to refer to their past emails.) That is about it for now, but I am stuck on this right now and a user manual for non techie people, if it exists, would be nice. I see one for list members but not administrators. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place? Thanks paul

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Settings: No templates are visible in settings
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 3, 2019

Sept. 3, 2019

I am struggling to find out why I do not see TEMPLATES in the Settings. When I first logged they were there. Many of them. Then, toying with the settings, they disappeared. I cannot find them now. Originally i thought I would not list the mailing list but changed my mind. Likewise, archives are now listed as public. I am still thinking about that. In any case, I want to see if there are templates to allow me to change headers or footers in messages, such as give the address of the list. Thank you for your advice. P.S> Sorry i asked too many questions the other day. Trying to keep this brief.

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still up to date?
by mailman3＠malevil.cc Aug. 27, 2019

Aug. 27, 2019

I have subscribed to the following rss feeds to keep track of updates: https://libraries.io/pypi/mailman/versions.atom https://libraries.io/pypi/mailman-hyperkitty/versions.atom https://libraries.io/pypi/HyperKitty/versions.atom https://libraries.io/pypi/postorius/versions.atom https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/commits/master?feed_token=yitiVdhX… but none of them was updated for half a year, is that actually the status? No current releases or updates for mailman3?

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Status of hosting options after a year for non techies
by paul＠arenson.org Aug. 26, 2019

Aug. 26, 2019

Hi all This is Paul Arenson in Japan. I temporarily dropped off the list year ago when it was clear there was no Cpanel Solution forthcoming. I thought I would check in again. I used to be on CPanel and I was advised it might be a wait. 1) I am now on Plesk. I heard Plesk might allow Docker and installation may be possible. Am I misinformed or a possibility? --->Assuming no, I guess jump to question 4. 2) Assuming yes, I see a list of people who can possibly help install. https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20consulting%20services Only a few people on it. Has anyone used any or can recommend someone. 3) There is also a Python list, but before I submit a request, is this something that works on general. For example, when a new version or bug release comes up, will I need to call on the person or persons again? Is it still better to wait? 4) Hosting services: Only a few listed at https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services are or Mailman 3. Has anyone used this: https://mailman3.com The site seems incomplete. Or this: https://maadix.net/en/servers Looks good. Might be a bit expensive for my use. Or this: https://www.mailmanhost.com/mailman-3-hosting/ Also looks good. A long time ago we corresponded. They seem reasonable. My list is about 700 people. These seem to be the same people: https://www.emwd.com/mailman-3-shared-list-hosting/ Any others I should know about? Thanks in advance. paul arenson japan

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MM3 + Postfix + Dovecot + PostfixAdmin
by maztec＠gmail.com Aug. 20, 2019

Aug. 20, 2019

System: Debian Buster Install: Functioning Postfix w/ Dovecot using PostfixAdmin for virtual domain and mailbox management Definitions: Host.TLD = my server's domain name; List.TLD = listserv's domain name; ListName = list's name. Issue: Postfix LMTP does not pass messages onto MM3:LMTP. Instead the behavior summary is as follows: postfix/lmtp[...]: ###: to=<mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024@Host.TLD>, orig_to=<ListName-confirm+###(a)ListServer.TLD>, relay=Host.TLD[private/dovecot-lmtp], delay=439, delays=439/0.03/0.01/0.01, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (host Host.TLD[private/dovecot-lmtp] said: 550 5.1.1 <"mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024"@Host.TLD> User doesn't exist: mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024@Host.TLD (in reply to RCPT TO command)) The problem appears to be that Postfix defaults the relay to being private/dovecot-lmtp and not the general lmtp protocol or the mailman3 dedicated lmtp protocol. ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- Details: # cat /proc/version Linux version 4.19.0-5-amd64 (debian-kernel(a)lists.debian.org) (gcc version 8.3.0 (Debian 8.3.0-6)) #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u1 (2019-07-19) ---------------------------------------- # postconf -n alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases append_dot_mydomain = no biff = no broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes compatibility_level = 2 debug_peer_level = 4 html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = ipv4 local_recipient_maps = $virtual_mailbox_maps,regexp:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp local_transport = virtual mailbox_size_limit = 0 mydestination = localhost myhostname = rijr.com mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 myorigin = /etc/mailname owner_request_special = no policy-spf_time_limit = 3600s readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix recipient_delimiter = + relay_domains = $mydestination,regexp:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains relayhost = smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Debian/GNU) smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtpd_sasl_local_domain = $mydomain smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous smtpd_sasl_tls_security_options = $smtpd_sasl_security_options smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/private/vmail.crt smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/vmail.key smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_received_header = yes smtpd_tls_security_level = may smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache smtpd_use_tls = yes transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport,regexp:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp virtual_alias_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias_domains.cf virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias_maps.cf,proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias_domains_maps.cf,regexp:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp virtual_gid_maps = static:5000 virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/virtual_mailbox_domains.cf virtual_mailbox_limit = 512000000 virtual_mailbox_maps = regexp:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp,proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/virtual_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_minimum_uid = 5000 virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp virtual_uid_maps = static:5000 # cat master.cf [grep'd for lmtp and mailman3] lmtp unix - - y - - lmtp mailman3 unix - - - - - lmtp -o lmtp_send_xforward_command=yes -o disable_dns_lookups=yes ---------------------------------------- # cat mailman.cfg [mta section only] [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 configuration: /etc/mailman3/postfix-mailman.cfg ---------------------------------------- # cat /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp # AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED BY MAILMAN ON 2019-08-06 06:39:21 # # This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the binary hash # file. YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE unless you know what you're # doing, and can keep the two files properly in sync. If you screw it up, # you're on your own. # Aliases which are visible only in the @List.TLD domain. /^List(a)List\.TLD$/ mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024 /^List-bounces(\+.*)?(a)List\.TLD$/ mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024 /^List-confirm(\+.*)?(a)List\.TLD$/ mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024 /^List-join(a)List\.TLD$/ mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024 /^List-leave(a)List\.TLD$/ mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024 /^List-owner(a)List\.TLD$/ mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024 /^List-request(a)List\.TLD$/ mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024 /^List-subscribe(a)List\.TLD$/ mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024 /^List-unsubscribe(a)List\.TLD$/ mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024 ---------------------------------------- # cat postfix-mailman.cfg [postfix] # if I don't have postmap_command set, mailman errors out, even though transport_file_type is regex. postmap_command: /usr/sbin/postmap transport_file_type: regex ---------------------------------------- # cat mail.debug Aug 6 01:03:28 Host dovecot: lmtp(23055): Connect from local Aug 6 01:03:28 Host dovecot: auth: Debug: master in: USER#0112#011mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024@Host.TLD#011service=lmtp Aug 6 01:03:28 Host dovecot: auth: userdb(?): Username character disallowed by auth_username_chars: 0x3a (username: mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024@Host.TLD) Aug 6 01:03:28 Host dovecot: auth: Debug: userdb out: NOTFOUND#0112 Aug 6 01:03:28 Host postfix/cleanup[22970]: 2937FB0: message-id=<20190806080328.2937FB0(a)rijr.com> Aug 6 01:03:28 Host postfix/lmtp[23054]: CA030AA: to=<mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024@rijr.com>, orig_to=<gilman-clan-confirm+51c0564a95aa31a8840305bec77e9023baa46477(a)List.TLD>, relay=Host.TLD[private/dovecot-lmtp], delay=439, delays=439/0.03/0.01/0.01, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (host Host.TLD[private/dovecot-lmtp] said: 550 5.1.1 <"mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024"@Host.TLD> User doesn't exist: mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024@Host.TLD (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Aug 6 01:03:28 Host dovecot: lmtp(23050): Disconnect from local: Client has quit the connection (state=READY) Aug 6 01:03:28 Host postfix/lmtp[22981]: C0EEEA8: to=<mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024@Host.TLD>, orig_to=<ListName-confirm+51c0564a95aa31a8840305bec77e9023baa46477(a)List.TLD>, relay=Host.TLD[private/dovecot-lmtp], delay=566, delays=566/0.04/0.01/0.01, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (host Host.com[private/dovecot-lmtp] said: 550 5.1.1 <"mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024"@Host.TLD> User doesn't exist: mailman3:[127.0.0.1]:8024@Host.TLD (in reply to RCPT TO command)) ---------------------------------------- I have played with dozens of variations on the configuration files and tracing what is going on. The only reason I see that relay=Host.TLD[private/dovecot-lmtp] is because of: virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp Hopefully I can get this figured out .... - Jay

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Some threads donw download
by Andrew Bernard Aug. 18, 2019

Aug. 18, 2019

Further to my previos queries about download failures - the generated file is corrupt, I turned up debugging and I now see this on the threads that don't download. [pid: 25261|app: 0|req: 27/27] 59.167.198.231 () {48 vars in 1198 bytes} [Sat Aug 17 08:55:15 2019] GET /archives/list/jackrail@jackrail.org/export/jackrail@jackrail.org-CKOK7BEELMHIFF2MTPUZXQXQYZZGWF3D.mbox.gz?thread=CKOK7BEELMHIFF2MTPUZXQXQYZZGWF3D => generated 0 bytes in 55 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 5 headers in 241 bytes (0 switches on core 0) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.3-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 327, in stream_mbox msg = email.as_message() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.3-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/models/email.py", line 188, in as_message subtype=mimetype[1], filename=attachment.name) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/message.py", line 1147, in add_attachment self._add_multipart('mixed', *args, _disp='attachment', **kw) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/message.py", line 1135, in _add_multipart part.set_content(*args, **kw) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/message.py", line 1162, in set_content super().set_content(*args, **kw) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/message.py", line 1092, in set_content content_manager.set_content(self, *args, **kw) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/contentmanager.py", line 35, in set_content handler = self._find_set_handler(msg, obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/contentmanager.py", line 58, in _find_set_handler raise KeyError(full_path_for_error) KeyError: 'builtins.NoneType' What is this saying? Andrew [Somewhat perplexed at why Mailman 3 is behaving so badly for me...]

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Idle connections to Postgres
by Andrew Bernard Aug. 17, 2019

Aug. 17, 2019

I have 20 idle connections to Postgres with Mailman 3. What are these for, and what are they doing (apart from apparently nothing)? main: mailman3 mailman3 ::1(46058) idle Andrew

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Compression error
by Andrew Bernard Aug. 17, 2019

Aug. 17, 2019

I did a git pull today. Now I get the following error and the archives wont display: compressor.exceptions.OfflineGenerationError: You have offline compression enabled but key "b5ae52a1ebb585c556edceb45a148cb948b2a2673d133a340a90cd02fdd34828" is missing from offline manifest. You may need to run "python manage.py compress". Here is the original content: Any clues?

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Download errors
by Andrew Bernard Aug. 17, 2019

Aug. 17, 2019

Whenever i try to download an archive, the file seems to be generated and it downloads, but it will never open, with errors like 'an error occurred while extracting files'. What can be causing this?

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qcluster CPU usage
by Andrew Bernard Aug. 17, 2019

Aug. 17, 2019

Recently the qcluster program is engaging the CPU continuously at about 5% CPU. While that may not be much, previously it was not doing this. What could be the cause of this? I cant see any warnings in the logs.

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Hyperkitty reply indent
by Andrew Bernard Aug. 16, 2019

Aug. 16, 2019

Is there any way the indent in the thread view can be reduced or set to zero? My users are complaining that by the time you have a reply four or five deep the view on a mobile phone leaves only one or two words, because it does not wrap responsively correctly (have I set something wrongly?) Andrew

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Question after upgrade to mm 3.2.3 and latest postorius
by David Krantz Aug. 13, 2019

Aug. 13, 2019

Hi all, I have just upgraded to mailman 3.2.3. My installation is from the git sources and I use two different venv:s, one for the web part as I did not want to compile the web server plugin to a newer python version than 3.5, and one venv for the rest running python 3.7. Apart from some missing dependencies and some changes that affected the django config I just have two issues with postorius: 1. The index page with all lists is not sorted in any useful way although it is based on something as the order seems to be stable. Prior to the upgrade the lists were sorted in alphabetical order after list name which is a lot more usable for me as admin. If I click the link at the bottom with "click to view all lists" I get the old behaviour. 2. The template menu simply does not work, it seems as if some database table is missing even after running migrations. Django logs the following: ERROR 2019-08-11 20:58:55,038 exception 11837 139756347221760 Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/TESTLIST/templates Traceback (most recent call last): File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 85, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) psycopg2.errors.UndefinedTable: relation "postorius_emailtemplate" does not exist LINE 1: ...ext", "postorius_emailtemplate"."identifier" FROM "postorius.. The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 35, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 158, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 156, in _get_response response = response.render() File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/response.py", line 106, in render self.content = self.rendered_content File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/response.py", line 83, in rendered_content content = template.render(context, self._request) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 175, in render return self._render(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 155, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 67, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 943, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 910, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 313, in render if match: File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 276, in __bool__ self._fetch_all() File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1179, in _fetch_all self._result_cache = list(self._iterable_class(self)) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 54, in __iter__ results = compiler.execute_sql(chunked_fetch=self.chunked_fetch, chunk_size=self.chunk_size) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1063, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 68, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers(sql, params, many=False, executor=self._execute) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 77, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 85, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 89, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/...VENV3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 85, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) django.db.utils.ProgrammingError: relation "postorius_emailtemplate" does not exist LINE 1: ...ext", "postorius_emailtemplate"."identifier" FROM "postorius... Cheers // David

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Internal server error
by Andrew Bernard Aug. 9, 2019

Aug. 9, 2019

My mailbox is filling up with dozens of notification of an internal server error. i wont post the whole mail as it is long, but here is the top: Internal Server Error: /archives/list/jackrail-meta(a)jackrail.org/recent-threads TypeError at /archives/list/jackrail-meta(a)jackrail.org/recent-threads 'datetime.date' object is not iterable Request Method: GET Request URL: https://list.jackrail.org/archives/list/jackrail-meta@jackrail.org/recent-t… Django Version: 2.1.9 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.7.3 What is causing this? [Assuming that knowing the cause will lead to me fixing it.] Andrew

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Error in mailman3 debian package, python error
by Lars Schimmer Aug. 8, 2019

Aug. 8, 2019

Hi! Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3 (default, Apr 3 2019, 05:39:12) [GCC 8.3.0] Since yesterday our mailman3 (debian package) throws this error: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive OperationalError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x8D\\x8E' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`subject` at row 1") Request Method: POST Request URL: http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=zMxTGlteq4tqkL… Django Version: 1.11.22 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.7.3 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python37.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.7', '/usr/lib/python3.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 08:03:47 +0000 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in execute 64. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py" in execute 101. return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 250. self.errorhandler(self, exc, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in defaulterrorhandler 50. raise errorvalue File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 247. res = self._query(query) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _query 411. rowcount = self._do_query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _do_query 374. db.query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in query 292. _mysql.connection.query(self, query) The above exception ((1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x8D\\x8E' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`subject` at row 1")) was the direct cause of the following exception: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 187. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 185. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py" in inner 40. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in _decorator 69. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py" in wrapped_view 58. return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in archive 115. add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py" in add_to_list 151. email.save() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in save 808. force_update=force_update, update_fields=update_fields) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in save_base 838. updated = self._save_table(raw, cls, force_insert, force_update, using, update_fields) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in _save_table 924. result = self._do_insert(cls._base_manager, using, fields, update_pk, raw) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in _do_insert 963. using=using, raw=raw) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py" in manager_method 85. return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in _insert 1079. return query.get_compiler(using=using).execute_sql(return_id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py" in execute_sql 1112. cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in execute 64. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/utils.py" in __exit__ 94. six.reraise(dj_exc_type, dj_exc_value, traceback) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/six.py" in reraise 685. raise value.with_traceback(tb) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in execute 64. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py" in execute 101. return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 250. self.errorhandler(self, exc, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in defaulterrorhandler 50. raise errorvalue File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 247. res = self._query(query) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _query 411. rowcount = self._do_query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _do_query 374. db.query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in query 292. _mysql.connection.query(self, query) Exception Type: OperationalError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Exception Value: (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x8D\\x8E' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`subject` at row 1") Request information: USER: AnonymousUser Has anyone a idea what went wrong or howto fix it? MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

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exposing Mailman3 API securely
by dancab＠caltech.edu Aug. 5, 2019

Aug. 5, 2019

I'm working on a container based Mailman3 solution for my university. We have a help desk tool which needs to access the API remotely for creating and deleting Mailman lists. The API will be restricted to a private network, behind a firewall, etc. What is the simplest way to expose the API to an external host? At the moment, I seem to have this partially working via an Apache virtual host configuration which simply proxies via api.example.edu:80 to localhost:8001 on the container. I'm able to remotely use the mailmanclient module for the client.lists, client.system and client.members commands. However running client.domains generates an API connection error. So it seems unstable. Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks. ---- Dan Caballero Systems Administrator Academic Computing Solutions IMSS - Caltech https://imss.caltech.edu

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Replies unthreading
by Andrew Bernard Aug. 1, 2019

Aug. 1, 2019

In my new list, I have a user - one of the foundation members, so an important use case - who will not be talked out of using a very old version of Eudora (!) for mail. Replies to threads from that mailer keep sometimes being properly threaded in Hyperkitty and then randomly jumping out into a new thread. This messes up the web view of the threads, and it's not right. Yet the threading appears to be correct in mail programs such as Thunderbird, using the email based interface to the list. Have others seen such behaviour with ancient mailers? Is it the mailer, or is there a known issue with threading the web interface? Looking carefully at message ID's and how they are threaded to examine the behaviour, I can't see what is causing this. Possibly some interaction with other RFC-822 headers? Andrew

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Authenticating against Hyperkitty's DB
by Marvin Gülker July 29, 2019

July 29, 2019

Hi, inspired by the question about LDAP, I want to ask a related question. We're currently thinking about adding a wiki to our small OSS project, and requiring users to have multiple accounts for the same project is nonsense. We don't have LDAP set up yet, but we do have a running Mailman 3 installation, including Hyperkitty. Thus I thought about whether it's possible to just write some glue script that authenticates against the user information in Hyperkitty's database. Creating an account for Hyperkitty would then be sufficient to get access to the wiki. Could someone give me a hint where and in what format Hyperkitty stores the user information into its database? Marvin -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu

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Exim, Mailman3 and missing Message-ID:
by Robert Lister July 29, 2019

July 29, 2019

Just a note that may help some people. After a bit of a learning curve, managed to get Mailman3 working in Debian 10 using the Debian package. I have mailman3-full + exim4 + apache2 setup: I did quite a lot of testing and getting it working, then when all seemed well, declared success and made it live. As (bad) luck would have it, the very first real message bounced: :-( 2019-07-25 20:53:09 1hqjnY-0005ms-RD <= xxxxxxx(a)ntlworld.com H=cloudi.spamtitan.com [52.26.55.167] P=esmtps X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256 CV=no S=7854 DKIM=ntlworld.com 2019-07-25 20:53:09 1hqjnY-0005ms-RD ** mylist(a)lentil.org R=mailman3_router T=mailman3_t H=127.0.0.1 [127.0.0.1]: LMTP error after DATA: 550 No Message-ID header provided 2019-07-25 20:53:09 1hqjnZ-0005mx-3F <= <> R=1hqjnY-0005ms-RD U=Debian-exim P=local S=9222 The user forwarded me the bounce, which contained the original message and headers, and indeed the original message did not contain a Message-ID: header. (Oddly, his message to me reporting the error using the same mail client DID contain a Message-ID: header.) Mail client: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 So it seems in certain circumstances, Outlook doesn't put a Message-ID: header in its messages. The change from Mailman2.x to Mailman3 means it's now using LMTP to deliver to mailman instead of a local submission seems to have exposed this issue. Exim tries to be helpful for "locally submitted" messages: <https://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-message_proces…> "12. The Message-ID: header line If a locally-generated or submission-mode incoming message does not contain a Message-ID: or Resent-Message-ID: header line, and the suppress_local_fixups control is not set, Exim adds a suitable header line to the message. If there are any Resent-: headers in the message, it creates Resent-Message-ID:. The id is constructed from Exim's internal message id, preceded by the letter E to ensure it starts with a letter, and followed by @ and the primary host name." However: "Note: Messages received over TCP/IP on the loopback interface (127.0.0.1 or ::1) are not considered to be locally-originated. Exim does not treat the loopback interface specially in any way." Therefore, Mailman3 using LMTP means exim will NOT "fix up" this problem before mailman3 receives the message. My solution for now (apart from telling people not to use old broken Outlook!) is to modify the exim mailman3_transport so that any message with a missing Message-ID: will have one generated by exim before it's passed to LMTP. This reproduces the same behaviour exim uses for locally submitted messages. (headers_remove ensures that we end up only with one Message-ID: header and not two, then we put back either the original Message-ID, or if that's not there, use Exim's ID to generate a new Message-ID header.) Here's an updated version of the example at: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.html#exim # /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/25_mm3_macros # The colon-separated list of domains served by Mailman. domainlist mm_domains=list.example.net MM3_LMTP_PORT=8024 # MM3_HOME must be set to mailman's var directory, wherever it is # according to your installation. # debian default is /var/lib/mailman3 MM3_HOME=/opt/mailman/var MM3_UID=list MM3_GID=list ################################################################ # The configuration below is boilerplate: # you should not need to change it. # The path to the list receipt (used as the required file when # matching list addresses) MM3_LISTCHK=MM3_HOME/lists/${local_part}.${domain} # /etc/exim4/conf.d/router/455_mm3_router mailman3_router: driver = accept domains = +mm_domains require_files = MM3_LISTCHK local_part_suffix_optional local_part_suffix = \ -bounces : -bounces+* : \ -confirm : -confirm+* : \ -join : -leave : \ -owner : -request : \ -subscribe : -unsubscribe transport = mailman3_transport # /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/55_mm3_transport mailman3_transport: driver = smtp protocol = lmtp allow_localhost hosts = localhost port = MM3_LMTP_PORT rcpt_include_affixes = true mailman3_transport: driver = smtp protocol = lmtp allow_localhost hosts = localhost port = MM3_LMTP_PORT rcpt_include_affixes = true headers_remove = message-id headers_add = "Message-ID: ${if def:header_message-id:{$h_message-id:}{<E${message_exim_id}@${qualify_domain}>}}"

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import21 / hyperkitty_import: sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()
by Christian Schwarz July 29, 2019

July 29, 2019

Hi all, after upgrading from Mailman 2.1 to Mailman 3 (Debian Buster), one (but not all) of the lists causes the following exception. The list was imported using import21 and archives were imported using manage.py hyperkitty_import. Jul 29 10:19:43 2019 (761) REST request handler error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.7/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 216, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "falcon/api.py", line 215, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "falcon/api.py", line 189, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 402, in on_get archiver_set = IListArchiverSet(self._mlist) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/interface.py", line 135, in __call__ adapter = self.__adapt__(obj) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/interface.py", line 151, in __adapt__ adapter = hook(self, obj) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 156, in adapter_hook return sitemanager.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/registry.py", line 348, in queryAdapter return self.adapters.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/adapter.py", line 353, in queryAdapter return self.adapter_hook(provided, object, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/adapter.py", line 363, in adapter_hook result = factory(object) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 607, in __init__ ListArchiver.name == archiver_name).one_or_none() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3017, in one_or_none "Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()" sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() I got that from the log file /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log. The Installation also sends emails to me, indicating some kind of exception in the except branch (see below). What can I do to debug this? Thanks, Christian --------------------------------------------- Internal Server Error: /postorius/lists/LISTNAMEREDACTED/ KeyError at /postorius/lists/LISTNAMEREDACTED/ 'file' Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 187. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 185. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in view 68. return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/generic.py" in dispatch 65. return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in dispatch 88. return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py" in get 252. 'hyperkitty' in self.mailing_list.archivers and # noqa: W504 File "/usr/lib/python3.7/_collections_abc.py" in __contains__ 666. self[key] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py" in __getitem__ 151. return self._get(key) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py" in _get 90. return self.rest_data[key] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py" in rest_data 76. response, content = self._connection.call(self._url) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py" in call 99. raise HTTPError(url, response.status, content, response, None) During handling of the above exception (HTTP Error 500: b'A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator.'), another exception occurred: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/middleware.py" in __call__ 39. return self.get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 43. response = response_for_exception(request, exc) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in response_for_exception 93. response = handle_uncaught_exception(request, get_resolver(get_urlconf()), sys.exc_info()) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in handle_uncaught_exception 135. extra={'status_code': 500, 'request': request}, File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in error 1412. self._log(ERROR, msg, args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in _log 1519. self.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in handle 1529. self.callHandlers(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in callHandlers 1591. hdlr.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in handle 905. self.emit(record) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/log.py" in emit 118. reporter = ExceptionReporter(request, is_email=True, *exc_info) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/debug.py" in __init__ 246. self.template_info = getattr(self.exc_value, 'template_debug', None) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/tempfile.py" in __getattr__ 614. file = self.__dict__['file'] Exception Type: KeyError at /postorius/lists/LISTNAMEREDACTED/ Exception Value: 'file'

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import21: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'Mailman'
by Christian Schwarz July 29, 2019

July 29, 2019

Hi, I am migrating a Mailman 2.1 setup to Mailman 3 (Debian Buster). Most mailing lists can be imported successfully using the `import21` subcommand, as described in the docs. Some mailing lists fail with the following error: sudo -u list mailman import21 REDACTEDLIST(a)example.org /var/lib/mailman/lists/REDACTEDLIST/config.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.2.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 764, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 717, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1137, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 956, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 555, in invoke return callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/decorators.py", line 17, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/cli_import.py", line 64, in import21 pickle_file, encoding='utf-8', errors='ignore') ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'Mailman' Note again: most mailing lists of the installation work fine. And this particular pck file is fairly recently modified. Has this happened before? Any suggestions how to debug this? Thanks, Christian

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Mailman 3 Installation Assistance
by brian＠emwd.com July 26, 2019

July 26, 2019

I am making a serious attempt at installing Mailman 3 using docker. I have a CentOS 7 server setup via Linode. I am using the following documentation to setup a Mailman 3 server: https://xiaoxing.us/2018/01/02/Deploy-Mailman-3-on-AWS-using-Docker/ I have Docker, Postfix, and Nginx installed and working fine. The installation of the Mailman 3 container went fine. However I am getting the following error when I go to test Posterius via shell: curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/ curl: (7) Failed connect to 172.19.199.3:8000; Connection refused I assume this has something to do with uwsgi which I have no experience with. Appreciate any assistance with getting Mailman 3 up and running. Thanks! Brian Carpenter

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Ldap integration with Mailman 3
by sandeep kumar July 18, 2019

July 18, 2019

Hi Team Is anyone using Ldap authentication for Mailman 3. It would be helpful if any such inputs -- Regards Sandeep Kumar +91-9642669192

1 0

Default posting pipeline
by Andrew Bernard July 16, 2019

July 16, 2019

What is a posting pipeline, and what is the difference between detault-posting-pipeline and default-owner-pipeline and virgin? Where to read about this? Andrew

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Delete a single email or thread from hyperkitty archive
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com July 15, 2019

July 15, 2019

How can one do this? Raw database access gets you involved in all the usual foreign key constraints. I don't know how to make use of this information: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/commit/6e3e6a5270f37543a757d76c0aee12… After a very large import of decades of data, I need to delete just one wrong mail that is corrupt. I think it is a valid case. I could run the import again after fixing the import mbox, but it takes many hours to load. Andrew

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RHEL 7 + Mailman 3 : Need help and guidance
by vgandhi＠fdu.edu July 15, 2019

July 15, 2019

Hi, We would like to use the latest Mailman 3 in our environment. We are planning to set up RHEL 7 virtual machine. I am trying to figure out best method (if possible - step-by-step guide) for installing and configuring Mailman3 on RHEL 7 . Can someone please provide me some guidance or point me in direction. Thank you.

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Unable to get mailman3-full on Debian
by Frank Yappa July 15, 2019

July 15, 2019

When trying apt-get install on Debian, I get E: Unable to locate package mailman3-full. What am I doing wrong? I have run apt-get update.

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unable to un-subscribe
by Steven Jones July 13, 2019

July 13, 2019

Please fix / unsubscribe me, thanks regards Steven

1 0

How to see post headers
by Andrew Bernard July 13, 2019

July 13, 2019

Once a post has gone into Hyperkitty, how can I see the full mail headers? Andrew

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Looking for large sites that have migrated to mailman3
by ssw＠washington.edu July 10, 2019

July 10, 2019

Hi. We're looking for information on large sites that have migrated to mailman3. Preferably academic institutions. As we start to look at a migration project we're hoping to hear any 'lessons learned' from those who have gone before us. (Sorry if this information is already posted somewhere, I wasn't able to find it) Thanks, Steve Mats Mats Software Engineer Academic & Collaborative Applications - UW-IT University of Washington Seattle, Washington

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List nonmembers
by Andrew Bernard July 9, 2019

July 9, 2019

Under Users for a list, there is a category for List nonmembers. What does this term mean? [It's rather curious philosophically when you think about it, because I would have thought that the category [all humans - list members] fits that category term.] But seriously, I don't understand it. I have several email addresses there and I don't know what do with them, if anything. Andrew

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delete examples.com site
by enrique.terrazas＠utsa.edu July 9, 2019

July 9, 2019

Hello, I've been working on setting up Mailman3 on a RHEL 7.5 vm using the guides and documentation found here: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/index.html https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html http://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/index.html http://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/README.html https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty nginx is serving the Django applications via uwsgi. I was able to get mailman, postorius + hyperkitty, running and test sending out email verifications. In an attempt to set the default domain to something other than example.com I deleted the site: example.com, I did have another site. Unfortunately, this seems to have broken the Django applications. At the moment I am preparing to delete the virtual environment and set things up again. Unless there is something that can be done in the current virtual environment to "reset" things back to start. I was also running into an issue where the verification emails were successfully sent out. The url to verify the email looks like this: http://my.domain.com:8000/accounts/confirm-email/xxxxxxxxxxxx/ Replacing my.domain.com with the domain I added. How can I get the outgoing verification emails to not reference port 8000? If I take that same link and remove the port, I get the desired page. Port 8000 is blocked at our sites permitter firewall, I don't necessarily want to open it. I'd rather the URL just obfuscate the port and send it to https... Thank you in advance for your attention and assistance. Best regards, Enrique J. Terrazas

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HTML post only showing as attachment
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com July 8, 2019

July 8, 2019

I have a post come in that is in HTML and has an image attached. It is distributed fine to email subscribers. Hyperkitty shows a blank message, with the in an html attachment, and the image as a jpg attachment. Why doesn't the text show in Hyperkitty? So far, all other messages display correctly. Andrew

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Rich Text support in Hyperkitty
by Abhilash Raj July 8, 2019

July 8, 2019

Hi All, I have been recently working on adding rich text support through markdown in Hyperkitty so that emails can be made easier to read. The core design idea in my mind when working on this was building something that doesn't bother writers of plain text emails too much, but allows people to write emails in markdown. The supported syntax is limited Markdown, for example: Hyperkitty's Markdown Syntax ============================ - List items are supported - Even nested ones - Headers with `#` aren't supported, mostly due to their widespread use as comments in code shared on mailing lists. - You can **emphasize** text and _itcalize_ them too - Block code and `inline code` works. - URLs work like they usually do. - Images _do work_, but are disabled by default because of their potential for tracking users. They need to be enabled by administrators through a configuration flag. ``` def sample(): return "yay" ``` While text intentionally written for Markdown rending looks pretty good, plain text sometimes isn't as good. I have applied my branch[1] on both the Mailman installations for these two lists (mail.python.org & lists.mailman3.org) Any feedback or bug reports on weird looking stuff is welcome here or directly [on my PR][1] [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/merge_requests/160 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Mandatory First and Last Name
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com July 8, 2019

July 8, 2019

Is there a way to make the profile require users to fill out their name? Andrew

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Odd hold message
by Andrew Bernard July 8, 2019

July 8, 2019

I received a very simple post today that was held with the following reason: The message is being held because: Message contains administrivia At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the request. What is this all about? What does Mailman consider to be administrivia, of all things, and why is this a reason to hold a message? The only thing in the message I can see is that it mentioned '100 members'. Is Mailman becoming sentient and developing an attitude? Seriously, I'd like to know more about this. Andrew

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Images and rich content in hyperkitty
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com July 7, 2019

July 7, 2019

I see discussion about this topic here in July. My immediate interest is that I had hoped to move from an antique plain-text only list to modern list software that will support content such as inline images (partly to staunch the flow of subscribers to facebook, simply to be able to post pictures.) Does hyperkitty support this, and where can one read about that? Andrew

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Post confirmation
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com July 7, 2019

July 7, 2019

Some mailing lists have an intermediary step where when the user posts, an email is received frm the server asking them to confirm posting, or discard it. Some of my users feel this gives them the chance to not post something they may have composed in error, or regret, or changed their mind about something. Is it possible to configure this behaviour (I think from Listserv) in Mailman? Andrew

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Hyperkitty message threading
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com July 7, 2019

July 7, 2019

I am seeing some anomalies with message threading. without going into detail about the symptoms, first le me ask how does Hyperkitty thread messages? Is it based on the message-id in the header, guaranteed unique, or on the subject header? I appear to have a situation where people reply to a message, and then probably thinking to start a new thread, change the subject field., and them post. The message goes to the original thread. I cant stop people doing this as it seems the vast majority of people all over just hit reply for most things anyway as they are generally too lazy to start a new mail (drives me nuts). With this situation, where the subject has apparently been changed, Hyperkitty adds a not to the top of the post "New subject ...' which is what makes me think the message id is involved. Some of my subscribers say they do this all the time on the old Listserv mailing list and a new thread is started. Any help would be appreciated. It's difficult fro me to manually ressign the incorrectly threaded replies as there is no parent message to attach them to. Andrew

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Show number of subscribers
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com July 4, 2019

July 4, 2019

Would there be a way to show the number of subscribers to a list in the web UI? The number of participants per message is great, but this would be good too. My users seem very interested in this number. I guess they want to know how big the audience is that is reading their posts. Andrew

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opt in/out for hidden lists
by mailman3＠malevil.cc July 4, 2019

July 4, 2019

Is it possible to change the default value for list visibility? Sometime when my list admins create a new list they forget to check that they should be hidden, I think that should be the default value anyway because its a potentially security issue when a list is unwanted visible...

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Documentation for users for Mailman 3
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com July 4, 2019

July 4, 2019

There exists this: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%202.1%20Members%20Manual I cant find a version for Mailman 3. Does it exist? If not, i will volunteer to write/update it. Let me know. Andrew

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Waht are all these messages
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 30, 2019

June 30, 2019

My log is flooded with messages like this, with apparent IP address in them: [pid: 1014|app: 0|req: 228/228] 148.251.78.18 () {38 vars in 865 bytes} [Sun Jun 30 13:26:10 2019] GET /accounts/login/?next=/archives/list/jackrail(a)jackrail.org/thread/E5WNO25XQV74CIV4QS7MQ32EZ5EWKLQ7/ => generated 7658 bytes in 9 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 6 headers in 331 bytes (1 switches on core 1) What are these? The flow is continuous, many different IP addresses? Andrew

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Reset digest number and volume
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 29, 2019

June 29, 2019

How to do this? After lots of testing on my pre-release beta testing list, I want the first production digest to be reset toVolume 1, Number 1. Andrew

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Monthly job failure
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 26, 2019

June 26, 2019

I see this error oin startup: 3:22:11 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month] 13:22:11 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month] - MailingList matching query does not exist. : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q-1.0.1-py3.7.egg/django_q/cluster.py", line 377, in worker res = f(*task['args'], **task['kwargs']) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.3-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 79, in _rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.1.9-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/Django-2.1.9-py3.7.egg/django/db/models/query.py", line 399, in get self.model._meta.object_name hyperkitty.models.mailinglist.MailingList.DoesNotExist: MailingList matching query does not exist. Latest build versions of everything. Any pointers? Andrew

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SECRET_KEY is not defined. Aborting.
by Steven Jones June 26, 2019

June 26, 2019

8><--- root@debian-mailman-001:/opt/mailman/docker-mailman# docker run maxking/mailman-web:0.2 SECRET_KEY is not defined. Aborting. root@debian-mailman-001:/opt/mailman/docker-mailman# 8><--- I keep getting this, I have attempted to set a SECRET_KEY in /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py and, docker-compose.yaml No joy, can you tell me how I set this variable? or where I get it from? is it pre-generated somewhere? your documentation just does not explain this that I can find, despite even a lot of time googling. PS I have assumed the hyprekitty key is something I set myself, just like a manual password sort of thing, again there is no explanation I can find that explains how to do this properly either. Can this documentation be improved please. To get anywhere at all I finally found this, https://xiaoxing.us/2018/01/01/deploy-mailman-3-on-aws-using-docker/ So I have core running OK I think, ====== root@debian-mailman-001:/opt/mailman/docker-mailman# docker ps CONTAINER ID IMAGE COMMAND CREATED STATUS PORTS NAMES 99f434ef3664 maxking/mailman-core:0.2 "docker-entrypoint.s…" 2 hours ago Up About an hour 8001/tcp, 8024/tcp mailman-core 4c0e165d3a90 postgres:9.6-alpine "docker-entrypoint.s…" 2 hours ago Up About an hour 5432/tcp dockermailman_database_1 root@debian-mailman-001:/opt/mailman/docker-mailman# ====== regards Steven

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Confirmation for subscriptions
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 24, 2019

June 24, 2019

Suddenly stopped working. For all the lists I have created, suddenly the confirm setting is ignored for subscriptions and users are subscribed right away. This only happened after I added another domain - surely that can't be the cause? Where to look to troubleshoot this? Andrew

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Unable to download attachments from HyperKitty
by Derek Lambert June 24, 2019

June 24, 2019

I’m having an issue downloading attachments from HyperKitty. The download begins as expected, but never progresses. Eventually it times out. I imagine the browser is expecting data matching the content-length header, but never receives it. Inspecting the contents of the download file reveals (address varies): <memory at 0x7f148fcb9588> I’ve been able to work around the issue with the following patch: --- env/lib/python3.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/email.py.orig 2018-12-06 21:38:39.544448735 +0000 +++ env/lib/python3.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/email.py 2018-12-06 23:01:39.923239421 +0000 @@ -309,7 +309,7 @@ def get_content(self): folder = self._get_folder() if folder is None: - return self.content + return self.content.tobytes() filepath = os.path.join(folder, str(self.counter)) if not os.path.exists(filepath): logger.error("Could not find local attachment %s for email %s", I haven't been able to replicate the issue with the HyperKitty tests, presumably the issue is somewhere in the Django <-> uwsgi <-> nginx stack. My configs are based on mailman-suite and maxking/docker-mailman. I've tried stripping out all the performance tweaks from my uwsgi and nginx configs, but no change. Versions: HyperKitty 1.2.1 Postorius 1.2.3 Django 2.1.7 nginx 1.14.1 uwsgi 2.0.18 Python 3.7.2 Has anyone come across this before? Derek Lambert

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Unwanted indent on first line of post in hyperkiity
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 23, 2019

June 23, 2019

I don't want hyperkiitty adding an unasked for indent on the first line of all posts. How can one turn that off? Andrew

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Mail not going out
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 22, 2019

June 22, 2019

What process handles the sending of the mail out to subscribers? My new installation suddenly stopped sending. Apologies for so many newbie questions. Andrew

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How to download attachments from hyperkitty
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 22, 2019

June 22, 2019

Not working - download just waits forever after a few bytes in the browser. Could it be that you have to set hyperkitty to store attachments in the filesystem, and configure uwsgi to serve them as static files? Is that what the hyperkitty setting HYPERKITYY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER is for? If this is so, can anybody show the fragment of uwsgi configuration required? Andrew

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change preferred language of list
by mailman3＠malevil.cc June 22, 2019

June 22, 2019

hey, I am not very experienced with the mailman shell and configuration. I configured mailman using the mailman.cnf and I know that I can use "mailman conf" to get all the parameters. But now I would like to change the preferred language of a list. Because despite I set [mailman] default_language: de even new lists will still have "en" as preferred language. I checked this just by reading the $language variable in a list template. How can I change the list parameters and how can I make mailman to use the german language files? I found the files, so I know they exist, but still need to make mailman use them...

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join via webform
by mailman3＠malevil.cc June 21, 2019

June 21, 2019

Is there a simple possibility to join a mailinglist besider writing a mail to list-join(a)example.com? I know you can register and then join a list, but thats only possible for public lists and I would like to have such a very simple webform for a specific list where you just enter your email address and then get the confirmation mail. I guess there was something like this with mailman2

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Please help - Held message is crashing mailman.
by Alex King June 21, 2019

June 21, 2019

Hi, I've used mailman a lot in the past, and decided to install mailman3 in a recent install. I'm unimpressed so far, it seems buggy. Running on Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS from packages, mailman3 3.1.1-9, mailman3-web 0+20170523-14, python-django-postorius 1.1.2-3. After a few messages, I now can't go to the "Held Messages" in postorius, I get a 500 error. I tried to interact on the command line, but could not work out how. Reading https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/install.html and https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/shell.ht…, I tried: # mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >>> command = cli('mailman.commands.cli_withlist.shell') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/code.py", line 91, in runcode exec(code, self.locals) File "<console>", line 1, in <module> NameError: name 'cli' is not defined I did a lot of reading of the manual and googled, but I have no idea where the cli object is supposed to come from.....? The documentation is confusing. Anyway, after some trial and error, i found: # mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >>> list_manager = getUtility(IListManager) >>> m=list_manager.get("committee(a)[redacted].org") >>> from mailman.interfaces.requests import IListRequests >>> requests = IListRequests(m) >>> [x for x in requests.held_requests][0].id 8 >>> requests.get_request(8) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/code.py", line 91, in runcode exec(code, self.locals) File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/requests.py", line 120, in get_request result.data_hash, expunge=False) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/pending.py", line 138, in confirm value = json.loads(keyvalue.value) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/json/__init__.py", line 354, in loads return _default_decoder.decode(s) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 339, in decode obj, end = self.raw_decode(s, idx=_w(s, 0).end()) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 355, in raw_decode obj, end = self.scan_once(s, idx) json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Unterminated string starting at: line 1 column 1 (char 0) It seems something was written out to disk that can't be read in for some reason (assuming a json object on disk?) How do I debug this further? How do I find the json being decoded? Any help would be appreciated. (I found mailman2 just worked, I was happy with that.) (My colleague posted a bug about this I believe but I don't have the link to that.) Thanks, Alex

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mass invitation
by mailman3＠malevil.cc June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

in postorius there is just the option to make a mass subscription, in mailman2 there was also the possibility to just invite users, so they need to click a link when they really want to join the list. Is this also available in mailman3/postorius?

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Importing mbox files into hyperkitty since date
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

What is the syntax for the data in the --since argument to hyperkitty_import> --since SINCE SINCE is not very informative. :-) Guessing, using '1/1/1970' does not seem to achieve anything, and gives no error.

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Hyperkitty Archives - Sidebar years/months
by Enrique Terrazas June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

Hello, I’m going through importing archives from mm2 to mm3. One of the lists I’ve imported has messages going back to 11/2013. I was able to successfully import the lists settings using: mailman import21 lists(a)domain.com<mailto:lists@domain.com> /path/to/list/config.pck This successfully imported lists owners, moderators, subscribers, & settings. I then imported the messages with the following command: python /path/to/manage.py hyperkitty_import -l list(a)domain.com<mailto:list@domain.com> /path/to/list.mbox —since 10/01/2013 I used that date because it is older than the first message sent to the list: 11/13/2013 And followed that up with the update index command: python /path/to/manage.py update_index_one_list list(a)domain.com<mailto:list@domain.com> This successfully imported all the messages from 11/13/2013 through 09/30/2018. Here is where I’m facing two issues: * Messages from October 2018 were not imported * The sidebar only shows the year 2018. Fdasfds If I modify the URL to go to https://my.domain.org/hyperkitty/list/list@domain.com/2013/11 the archived emails show up fine. October 2018 shows two test messages I’ve sent but not any of the messages from October 2018 that should have been imported. Is there something additional that needs to be done to show the previous years and months in the sidebar? Thanks, Enrique

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Flushing/syncing hyperkitty with mailman
by Eric Abrahamsen June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

I've got mailman running on Ubuntu 14.04, with systemd service files to govern the mailman and hyperkitty qcluster processes. I notice in the systemctl status call for the qcluster command that there are a bunch of errors like: [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:2 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:3 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:4 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. Is there something more I should be doing to sync hyperkitty's database with mailman? I've got the crontab file in place, and that appears to be running without error. Anything else? Thanks, Eric

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Django error - External IP
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

I am seeing this error frequently: Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/list/jackrail(a)list.jackrail.org/message/new Internal Server Error: /archives/list/jackrail(a)list.jackrail.org/message/new Error at /archives/list/jackrail(a)list.jackrail.org/message/new error 14 from memcached_get(:2:User:11:subscriptions) Request Method: GET Request URL: https://list.jackrail.org/archives/list/jackrail@list.jackrail.org/message/… ... followed by many many pages of settings information, none of which is informative to me. What does this signify? I am trying to bring my list to a go live state, but this does not bode well. I can send the full diagnostic (long) if need be. Andrew

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problems in setting up mailman3 containers.
by Steven Jones June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

Hi, Trying to setup the 2 mailman3 containers, they fail to start, config and failure messages are, ======== [root@rhel8-svr-001 mailman]# pwd /opt/mailman [root@rhel8-svr-001 mailman]# !269 more core/mailman-extra.cfg # mailman-extra.cfg [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 172.19.199.2 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: 172.19.199.1 smtp_port: 25 configuration: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg [mailman] site_owner: steven(a)xx.co.nz SECRET_KEY: testing123 [root@rhel8-svr-001 mailman]# !271 more web/settings_local.py SECRET_KEY: testing123 [root@rhel8-svr-001 mailman]# !272 podman run mailman-core DATABASE_URL is not defined. Using sqlite database... No MTA environment variable found, defaulting to Exim HYPERKITTY_API_KEY not defined, please set this environment variable... exiting... [root@rhel8-svr-001 mailman]# !273 podman run mailman-web SECRET_KEY is not defined. Aborting. [root@rhel8-svr-001 mailman]# ========= Could really do with some examples of these files as well... regards Steven

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join via webform
by mailman3＠malevil.cc June 19, 2019

June 19, 2019

Is there a simple possibility to join a mailinglist besider writing a mail to list-join(a)example.com? I know you can register and then join a list, but thats only possible for public lists and I would like to have such a very simple webform for a specific list where you just enter your email address and then get the confirmation mail. I guess there was something like this with mailman2

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howto reallow a banned email ?
by Nicolas Pettiaux June 19, 2019

June 19, 2019

Hello, By mistake a user has been banned to post to mailman list. How can I allow him not only to post but also to become a member of a list ? I have not found any info on the web, or I have been unable to search correctly. Much thanks, Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux - PhD - nicolas(a){educode,pettiaux}.be - Président de Educode asbl Informer, former et susciter la réflexion des acteurs du monde de l'enseignement face aux évolutions d'un monde numérique - http://2019.educode.be & http://2018.educode.be

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Do not show archives to public
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 19, 2019

June 19, 2019

Is there a way to have list archives only visible to list subscribers? Presently, they are world visible - unless I have configured my site incorrectly.

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Domain owner functionality?
by Derek Lambert June 14, 2019

June 14, 2019

I noticed there's a "domain_owners" table in the mailman core database. If I add a user and domain id to this table will it grant the user owner permissions for all lists in a domain? Will they be able to create lists? Thanks! Derek

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Invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard
by Henrik Rasmussen June 12, 2019

June 12, 2019

Having set the Filter content to Yes - regardless of other setting in the "Alter Messages" tab, make a HTML message come out empty. I can replicate this on my test list. I have tried debugging by changing each setting one-by-one and sending the user's mail, but no change makes the mail come out with a content. However setting "Filter content" to "no" makes the mail come out okay. With "Filter content" set to "Yes", sending another HTML mail is okay, so something in the user's mail may not be right, but I wonder why setting "Filter content" to no "solves" the problem. Afte all this setting is switching all other settings on and off, so I can't just ask the user to turn it off. May 06 11:53:32 2019 (33) ACCEPT: <250E794B36C1E646AF3D81E1F15348C79DA8CA83(a)P2KITMBX06WC03.unicph.domain> May 06 11:53:32 2019 (37) [LISTNAME](a)lists.example.com invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard May 06 11:53:32 2019 (37) <250E794B36C1E646AF3D81E1F15348C79DA8CA83(a)P2KITMBX06WC03.unicph.domain> discarded by "default-posting-pipeline" pipeline handler "mime-delete": After content filtering, the message was empty May 06 17:27:35 2019 (33) ACCEPT: <250E794B36C1E646AF3D81E1F15348C79DA8CAEC(a)P2KITMBX06WC03.unicph.domain> May 06 17:27:35 2019 (37) [LISTNAME](a)lists.example.com invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard May 06 17:27:35 2019 (37) <250E794B36C1E646AF3D81E1F15348C79DA8CAEC(a)P2KITMBX06WC03.unicph.domain> discarded by "default-posting-pipeline" pipeline handler "mime-delete": After content filtering, the message was empty /Henrik Rasmussen

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Postorius performance with over 1000 pending users
by Nick W June 11, 2019

June 11, 2019

I've got a couple things I need help with: The Symptom and The Problem. The Symptom: Postorius has gotten quite slow to load, taking more than 30s to load the Subscription Requests tab. Having zero pending subscription requests (I'm on v1.2.5), I started investigating unconfirmed subscriptions. I followed the commands from here[1] and got this: mailman shell -l your.list.id util = getUtility(IPendings) print(len(list(util.find(mlist=m,pend_type='subscription')))) 1816 Wow, 1816 pending subscription requests. I can say for certain that my list is not popular so these requests must have been submitted by bots. Let's get there in The Problem. How can I "purge" this list? I'm willing to assume that none of these requests are valid and would reject all unconfirmed user requests. The Problem: How might this activity be happening? Running cat /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/mailman.log | grep POST returns a lot of 202 and 409 responses for `POST /3.1/members`. Could it be that these requests are being submitted through Postorius? I'd assume there would be some sort of honeypot input to prevent abuse. I'll continue investigating and follow up with any insight I can on the cause of The Problem. Thanks, Nick [1]: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>

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WSGI: gunicorn and uwsgi
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 9, 2019

June 9, 2019

Using the Ubuntu 19 packages for all the mailman suite, uwsgi is the Python WSGI server included. I have now switched over to a full build from current source from gitlab, following Mark Sapiro's excellent instructions. It would appear that the current code has the use of gunicorn built in. Is gunicorn the preferred way now to run the mailman Django apps? Is it worth spending time converting everything to use uwsgi, or should I go with the flow and use gunicorn? What are the advantages of gunicorn over uwsgi?

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Help with installing Postorius and Hyperkitty on Ubuntu 19
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 9, 2019

June 9, 2019

I'm new to Mailman. I have a Ubuntu 19 production server. I attempted to get Mailman 3 and the web components going with the system packages, but I encountered a few showstopper errors (such as indexing not working at all) which I know have been fixed in the codebase. To that end I erased my installation, and installed mailman from the gitlab source. That all works much more nicely now and I feel I have a lot more control of the layout of all the files (the various Ubuntu packages smear the parts all over the place, confusingly). Now I want to get Postorius and Hyperkitty going again, independently of Ubuntu packages. I would like to run Postorius and Hyperkitty under one Django project. So I downloaded the git source for mailman_web. I do not know if this is the right way to install. I am partially familiar with Django, but to come to the point, I have no idea once having obtained the source from git how to setup and install the project, where it lives in the filesystem, and so on. Are there any pointers to help in this area? The very nice readthedocs format files for Postorius and Hyperkitty are very silent on basic matters like this, which is not of much help! The git README files also define a new level of brevity. I need some initial hand holding here. If any help is forthcoming, such as links to more full documentation for newbies to Mailman, I would be most grateful.

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Daily Cronjob fails
by Stefan Tatschner June 8, 2019

June 8, 2019

Hey hey, I applied a recent Update from Debian Buster, und this night a received an email about a failing cronjob. The traceback can be reproduced using: # sudo -u www-data flock -n /var/run/mailman3-web/cron.daily /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py runjobs daily ERROR OCCURED IN DAILY JOB: sync_mailman (APP: hyperkitty) START TRACEBACK: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 64, in execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) psycopg2.IntegrityError: null value in column "description" violates not-null constraint DETAIL: Failing row contains (2, hb-events(a)hackbrettl.de, hb-events, null, [hb-events] , 1, 2015-10-22 09:54:53.684306+00, hb-events.hackbrettl.de). The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_extensions/management/commands/runjobs.py", line 36, in runjobs job().execute() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/jobs/sync_mailman.py", line 35, in execute sync_with_mailman() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/mailman.py", line 131, in sync_with_mailman mlist.update_from_mailman() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py", line 192, in update_from_mailman self.save() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 808, in save force_update=force_update, update_fields=update_fields) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 838, in save_base updated = self._save_table(raw, cls, force_insert, force_update, using, update_fields) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 905, in _save_table forced_update) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 955, in _do_update return filtered._update(values) > 0 File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 667, in _update return query.get_compiler(self.db).execute_sql(CURSOR) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1204, in execute_sql cursor = super(SQLUpdateCompiler, self).execute_sql(result_type) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 899, in execute_sql raise original_exception File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 889, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 64, in execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 94, in __exit__ six.reraise(dj_exc_type, dj_exc_value, traceback) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/six.py", line 685, in reraise raise value.with_traceback(tb) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 64, in execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) django.db.utils.IntegrityError: null value in column "description" violates not-null constraint DETAIL: Failing row contains (2, hb-events(a)hackbrettl.de, hb-events, null, [hb-events] , 1, 2015-10-22 09:54:53.684306+00, hb-events.hackbrettl.de). END TRACEBACK Appearently there is something wrong with the database. Is there anything what I can do about this? Running the migrations doesn't help: # sudo -u www-data flock -n /var/run/mailman3-web/cron.daily /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py migrate Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: No migrations to apply. Thanks! Stefan

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Import Archives using Docker Image
by brian＠emwd.com June 7, 2019

June 7, 2019

I want to test out importing a 2.1 archive into a Mailman 3.2 list. I am using maxking's docker images for MM3. How would I go about importing the mbox file? I don't think the following commands would work on a Docker installation of MM3: $ python manage.py hyperkitty_import -l foo-list(a)example.com $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox $ python manage.py update_index_one_list foo-list(a)example.com I am not sure how to go about doing this within Docker. Thanks for any assistance, Brian

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Hyperkitty Authorization Required
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com June 6, 2019

June 6, 2019

Nearly there configuring my first Mailman 3 installation with Postorius and Hyperkiity. This issue eludes me: When trying to start a new thread in the archive, we have: HyperKitty failure on https://list.jackrail.org/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) I can access this URL just fine" https://list.jackrail.org/hyperkitty/api/ Where do we look to solve this issue?

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Hope for Mailman 3.X in cPanel
by Cold Kayak June 6, 2019

June 6, 2019

Hi, it appears that cPanel is interested in supporting MailMan 3.X! See - https://features.cpanel.net/topic/upgrade-to-mailman-3-0#comment-54870 <https://features.cpanel.net/topic/upgrade-to-mailman-3-0#comment-54870> "We’re hoping to work with the Mailman folks at some point in the future to accomplish this goal." Hopefully this happens sooner than later. regards, Edmond

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