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Sending to mangled 'From' addresses.
by hansen June 5, 2024

June 5, 2024

All, Due to the DMARC mitigation action ‘Replace From: with list address’, it happens often on my lists that someone sends a message to a mangled address, hoping that the message goes to the person listed as the sender. This happens mostly because the mail clients collect previous addresses and use them when as type-ahead candidates for new messages, which may be unrelated to the lists. For example, say the mail client captures my address as “Allan Hansen via <listname>” <listaddress> then later, when the person wants to send a message to me, the type-ahead puts this string in the ’To:’ field: “Allan Hansen via <listname>” and, to make it worse, the actual email address, <listaddress>, is often hidden. The result is that the email gets sent to the list instead of to me, together with (often) personal and (sometimes) embarrassing information. Is there a way to reject messages sent to recipients where the name part of the recipient is of the above format, i.e., "Allan Hansen via <listname>" In other words, filtering is done on the name part of the recipient, not the address part. Should I get onto the other list to request this as an enhancement? Yours, Allan

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Sign and encrypt e-mail responses
by Markus Grandpré June 4, 2024

June 4, 2024

Dear List, is it possible to sign and encrypt all e-mail responses from the Mailman3 server with a digital certificate? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Recently active discussions - Hyperkitty
by Sam Darwin June 4, 2024

June 4, 2024

Hi, Sometimes not sure if it's preferable to open a gitlab issue, or chat on the mailing list. I have run a large archive import into mailman3/hyperkitty. After that's done, waited a day, for scheduled cron jobs to complete. In "All Threads", all the email archives are present. The import worked. In "RECENTLY ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS" on the main page, it says: RECENTLY ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS No discussions this month (yet). Nothing there. That means if I direct users to visit the site, the page, it appears empty. That's too bad. :-) It should display recent emails. What would affect this feature during an archive import? Is it a problem with the import script itself, or with a scheduled cron job, or something else? Would you expect "Recently active discussions" be empty when very recent archives do exist? Thanks, Sam

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import21 detailed usage instructions in 2024
by Keith Christian June 3, 2024

June 3, 2024

1 Soon, I will be executing the first test imports from Mailman2.1 to Mailman3.9. 2 Planning to copy over the entire production Mailman2.1 to a new directory structure on the Mailman 3.9 machine. 3 Expecting that all .mbox and .pkl files will be present and no special work has to be done to bring them over will a "full" mailman2.1 copy. 4 Can the import21 program find the mailman2.1 .mbox and .pkl files on its own and process them? 5 Other than the mailman2.1 instance being shut down, any other prep that needs to be done? 6 Any special command line parameters to be aware of for import21? 7 Is there a list of troubleshooting steps for commonly encountered migration issues? Thanks. ------------------ Keith

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import21 caused a few mails to be sent out
by Marc SCHAEFER June 2, 2024

June 2, 2024

Hello, After importing a (big > 3000 subscribers) list with import21, I noticed the following: 36 mails went out from LIST-NAME-bounces to subscribers, but they apparently all bounced. Could those be subscribers that Mailman2 saw bouncing and added the appropriate flag, and Mailman3 sent a probe after the import21? I checked for one of the e-mail address and: Mailman2: - that e-mail has the [X] R flag for "noncourriel" (no delivery) Mailman3: - that e-mail is Delivery mode Regular, Bounces to 0 NB: in MM2 and MM3, all users are in Hold for moderation, that's normal. In addition, there are a few mails in /var/lib/mailman/messages for example that same user: one file, showing a bounce from a remote server. So my questions: 1) is this behaviour to "probe" already disabled addresses normal, and not "port over" the "don't deliver"? 2) why are those messages held in messages/ ? 3) should I then, before running import21, clean the MM2 installation of all those users with [X] R flag? If yes, is there a simple command? Thank you for pointers or help. PS: there was no trafic on that imported mailing-list yet, it's a test.

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Mailman sending email from user@example.com
by dgoldsmith＠sans.org May 30, 2024

May 30, 2024

I have defined an additional SITE in django and the SITE_ID value in /etc/mailman3/settings.py is set to reference that site's ID value. Messages for a list being distributed that are generating certain bounce errors are resulting in email from Mailman 3.x being sent to the list owners from the address user(a)example.com. Is there something else to update in the settings files, Django or the database to make it use the list owner email address tied to the domain of the site? Thanks, David Goldsmith

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Have postgresql in the mailman.cfg file but sqlite shows in the mailman info command
by Keith Christian May 29, 2024

May 29, 2024

(venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.18 (main, Jan 24 2024, 00:00:00) [GCC 11.4.1 20231218 (Red Hat 11.4.1-3)] config file: /opt/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////opt/mailman3/var/data/mailman.db <<<---------------------------------------- devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass Class and url were commented out in the mailman.cfg file, did not recognize postgresql but generated a trace (venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ grep postgresql /opt/mailman3/mailman.cfg # class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase # url: postgresql://mailman:MYPASSWORD@localhost/mailman Uncommented class and url: class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase <<<---------------------------------------- url: postgresql://mailman:MYPASSWORD@localhost/mailman <<<---------------------------------------- Now I get a stack trace from "mailman info" (venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ mailman info Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.9', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context self.parse_args(ctx, args) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result value = self.process_value(ctx, value) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config initialize(value) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 228, in initialize initialize_1(config_path) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 122, in initialize_1 mailman.config.config.load(config_path) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 145, in load self.push(filename, user_config.read()) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 150, in push self._config.push(config_name, config_string) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/lazr/config/_config.py", line 582, in push confs = self._getExtendedConfs(conf_name, conf_data) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/lazr/config/_config.py", line 615, in _getExtendedConfs _parser_read_file(parser, StringIO(conf_data), conf_filename) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/lazr/config/_config.py", line 49, in _parser_read_file parser.read_file(f, source) File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/configparser.py", line 718, in read_file self._read(f, source) File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/configparser.py", line 1085, in _read raise MissingSectionHeaderError(fpname, lineno, line) configparser.MissingSectionHeaderError: File contains no section headers. file: '/opt/mailman3/mailman.cfg', line: 14 <<<---------------------------------------- 'class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase\n' Here is the complete mailman.cfg file: 1 # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg 2 # [paths.here] 3 # var_dir: /opt/mailman/mm/var 4 # 5 # [mailman] 6 # layout: here 7 # # This address is the "site owner" address. Certain messages which must be 8 # # delivered to a human, but which can't be delivered to a list owner (e.g. a 9 # # bounce from a list owner), will be sent to this address. It should point to 10 # # a human. 11 # site_owner: user(a)example.com 12 # 13 # [database] 14 # class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase 15 # url: postgresql://mailman:MYPASSWORD@localhost/mailman 16 # 17 # [archiver.prototype] 18 # enable: yes 19 # 20 # # For the HyperKitty archiver. 21 # [archiver.hyperkitty] 22 # class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver 23 # enable: yes 24 # configuration: /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg 25 # 26 # [shell] 27 # history_file: $var_dir/history.py 28 # 29 # [mta] 30 # verp_confirmations: yes 31 # verp_personalized_deliveries: yes 32 # verp_delivery_interval: 1 33 # Ideas? Thanks.

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Django administration - User permissions
by advorkin＠cs.princeton.edu May 29, 2024

May 29, 2024

Hello, I'm trying to setup users with different permissions. For example: I created a group support with an ability to hyperkitty/mailing list/Can add/change/delete/view mailing list. Unfortunately, the user still does not have an ability to create mailing lists as the option does not exist. It does work when the user is set as "Superuser status". I've also tried giving every possible "available user permissions", but it didn't make a difference. Am I missing something? Thank you!

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Installing Mailman3 under a Python Virtual environment running on RHEL9
by Andy Macheta May 29, 2024

May 29, 2024

Hi, So tried, without much success, to get Postorius working on my Mailman3 server and every internet trick& tip I tried did not work so decided to take a new approach as recommended at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Used this reference: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-depe… which I know is more for Debian/Ubuntu systems but I was hoping that 90%+ would also work with Red Hat. Fell at the first hurdle with no packages available called "python3-dev" or "python3-venv" Is there anyone that has managed to install a running version of Mailman3 that has a working GUI whether it is on bare metal or Python virtual environment and if so, could they kindly let me know how they did it?? The closest I've come is a running command line version of Mailman3 which is fine for me of course but not for anyone else as they like access via web browser. Thanks in advance, Andy Macheta

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Circumstances in which a subscriber is added to Pending Confirmation list
by David Owen May 28, 2024

May 28, 2024

Hi I wondered if anybody would be able to assist me in my understanding of the Pending Confirmation list, please. In our Mailman mailing list, our Member Policy settings for both Subscription Policy and Un-subscription Policy are set to Open. Therefore we don't require subscribers to confirm their subscription after they submit a request to join our mailing list. Despite this, a number of subscribers seem to be arriving in the Pending Confirmation (Subscriptions pending user confirmation) list. Others correctly arrive in the Members list, as we would expect. All subscription requests are made by the subscriber sending an email to our "join" email address with the subject "subscribe". I've looked at the settings carefully and can't seem to see any that may cause the above behaviour at any time (although I may have missed something of course). Therefore, does anybody know the circumstances in which subscribers to an open mailing list may somehow arrive in the Pending Confirmation list? If I could understand the cause(s) I could then consider ways to manage it or prevent it from happening. Our Mailman installation is hosted centrally in a large organisation so we while we can alter our mailing list's settings in Postorious, we can't alter the source code or similar, so we don't have great room for manoeuvre. Our Postorius version is 1.3.6. Thanks and regards David

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FYI: "RuntimeError: command failure: /usr/sbin/postmap /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp, 1, Operation not permitted"
by Nils May 27, 2024

May 27, 2024

After mailman was running so well I was wondering if I really need the restart option in the service configuration. When I commented it out, I got this error a few weeks later: > # systemctl status mailman3 > × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager > Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; > vendor preset: enabled) > Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2024-05-14 00:34:37 > CEST; 1 week 6 days ago > Process: 1159 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) > CPU: 6.933s > > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: return > f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", > line 109, in start > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: > call_name(config.mta.incoming).regenerate() > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", > line 136, in regenerate > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: raise > RuntimeError(NL.join(errors)) > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: RuntimeError: command > failure: /usr/sbin/postmap /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp, 1, > Operation not permitted > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control > process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE > May 14 00:34:37 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with > result 'exit-code'. > May 14 00:34:37 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing > List Manager. > May 14 00:34:37 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Consumed > 6.933s CPU time. I can only guess that the error might be some case of very bad timing, because there shouldn't be any problem with the mentioned call. > # su mailman > (venv) mailman@SERVER:/$ /usr/sbin/postmap > /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp Usually works fine. I re-enabled the lines in the server configuration: > Restart=on-failure > RestartSec=15

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Automatic migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm)
by schaefer＠alphanet.ch May 25, 2024

May 25, 2024

Hello, I already have some success in auto-migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm), using a new container (not upgrading the existing installation, which is obsolete e.g. 32 bit x86). I am doing this using custom scripts. The idea being to be able to import most of the existing configuration and archives, let the list administrators test the new system, and progressively advertise this to users. Then, the old container will be disabled. The basic stuff works (From: domain is OK, HTTP transport works, mail go out, etc) I however bumped into the following problem: How may I automatically (from the command line) replace the example.com which is displayed in the web interface and in the From: comment field of the e-mails (the address itself is OK) -- I only found documentation about changing through the GUI so far. Any pointer? Also, I have a question: if I import my 2.1 config for each ml, will DKIM work-arounds work (e.g. replace This User <user@domain> by This User user@domain <the-mailing-list>) ? Will Mailman 2.1 it required some config changes and also I had to modify mailman using a Debian diversion, AFAIR. Thank you for any input.

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Where should Postfix, Django, Hyperkitty, Postorius, Dart-Sass, etc. be installed if MM3 is in a python virtual environment?
by Keith Christian May 25, 2024

May 25, 2024

Greetings, Mailman3 List ! mailman3 was installed into the below virtual environment: (venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary Should, or must, any of Django, Hyperkitty, Postorius, Dart-Sass, or any other supporting programs be installed into this virtual environment ? PostgreSQL and Postfix have been successfully installed outside of the mailman3 virtual environment and start properly, I assume this is correct. Thanks in advance. ---- Keith

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Congrats & MM3 Development Plans Request - Take 2
by David Wilson May 23, 2024

May 23, 2024

Liang Liu; Congratulations on securing your Summer of Code project with MM3. As someone who is quite interested in the Mailman3 development plans, I tried to follow the link you provided but with no success. It timed out. Is that still a valid or the best link? Can you also please point me to the best source or site to get a general understanding of short and long term *MM3 development plans*, including various upcoming GSOC projects, including yours. Thank you very much in advance. Best regards. Dave Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: qL0JVbh9Fk99UcFT.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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[GSoC] Self-introduction Liu
by Liang Liu May 21, 2024

May 21, 2024

Hello everyone, I’m Liang Liu, a GSoC student this year. I will be responsible for using the publish-subscribe model to improve communication efficiency between the core and clients. The detail of this function is shown in the link below. https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202024#Support_for_RE… I am excited to learn from all of you and share my experiences. Please feel free to reach out to me for any collaboration or discussion—I am keen to contribute and learn as much as I can. Hope we have a productive summer.

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List Configuration Attribute Descriptions
by steve.bachinsky＠tena-sda.org May 20, 2024

May 20, 2024

Where does one obtain a complete and concise description for all of the list configuration attributes? From the documentation, it is shown that the REST "config" interface will provide all of the attribute values associated with a particular list. But how does one find a concise description for all of these attributes? For example, I see that there is a list attribute for "default_nonmember_action" and there are two documentation pages for this attribute, but I can't find a concise description of the attribute and the permitted values. Thanks, Steve

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Cloned mailman3 from the gitlab site, having issues locating the mailman3 file to start it
by Keith Christian May 20, 2024

May 20, 2024

The path to the mailman3.py file is: /home/mailman3/mailman/src/mailman/bin/mailman.py I created a mailman3 user, then, set the ownership on all directories and files in /home/mailman3 and below to mailman3:mailman3. When trying to run the "mailman info" command to verify that that mailman3 can start, I get this error: File "/home/mailman3/mailman/src/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 22 in <module> from mailman.command.cli_help import help as help command Not sure what is going on here, help greatly appreciated.

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When QQ email sends emails to the Mailman service set up by oneself, members of the list who use QQ email cannot receive the emails, and it shows that the emails are rejected.
by rqchen＠cnic.cn May 11, 2024

May 11, 2024

When QQ email sends emails to the Mailman service set up by oneself, members of the list who use QQ email cannot receive the emails, and it shows that the emails are rejected.

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cnic-20240510
by 陈汝祈 May 10, 2024

May 10, 2024

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Change Dmark settings via command line
by bob B May 8, 2024

May 8, 2024

I need to set all the DMARC settings on are lists to "replace from with list address". Is there an easy want to do this via cli? I could do it by viewing the web interface but we have a lot of lists.

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Deleting A List
by Odhiambo Washington May 4, 2024

May 4, 2024

I have deleted a list (list(a)nog.ke) - list_id = list.nog.ke. I can see from Django Admin UI that the archives are still intact. I created a new list (list(a)lists.nog.ke) - list_id = list.lists.nog.ke Is there a way to move the archives from the old list to the new list? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Welcome message template errors
by Mark May 1, 2024

May 1, 2024

Hi All I'm getting errors when a custom "Welcome message" template is in place [list:user:notice:welcome]. Case: Subscribing a new user via the admin "Mass subscribe". Although the new user is successfully subscribed, a welcome message is not sent and the following error message displays on the webpage. === HTTP Error 400: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) === And the site-owner receives an email with ... ==== Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/ DoesNotExist at /mailman3/lists/ Site matching query does not exist. Request Method: GET Request URL: http://<REDACTED-PUBLIC-IPv4-ADDRESS>/mailman3/lists/ Django Version: 4.2.11 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 Python Version: 3.11.2 ... etc ... === Regarding the second line in the email - my thinking is that it should be looking in "/opt/mailman/mm/var/lists" and not "/mailman3/lists/". If that's right, where would I look to change that directive? If not, any other clues would be greatly appreciated. The error doesn't occur if the is no custom "Welcome message" template - ie. the user is sent the default welcome message. $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/

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Re: [MM3-users off list] Re: Welcome message template errors
by Mark April 29, 2024

April 29, 2024

>> So, I'm thinking (in broad brush strokes) that if I'm stuck with this >> "http glitch" I could write a script to: >> >> 1. extract the text of the custom message from the database, >> 2. write that message text to a file >> 3. update the templates.uri entries to replace the >> http://localhost... with file:///path/to/file >> 4. cron the script to run every few minutes. >> >> It screams of utter clunk I know... > but it would work. > > Note that this may not be as big an issue as it seems. It doesn't > affect all templates, for example list:member:digest:footer, > list:member:digest:header, list:member:digest:masthead, > list:member:regular:footer, list:member:regular:header and > list:member:generic:footer are only used by the `out` runner when > sending messages, so these aren't affected. Right. Affected are all the "list:user:notice:***" (eg. goodbye, hold, reject,...) > > I'm still trying to determine what the issue is. To this end can you > tell me what Python version your Mailman uses and what is the output > from `pip freeze` with your venv active? $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0] $ pip freeze aiosmtpd==1.4.4.post2 alembic==1.13.1 arrow==1.3.0 asgiref==3.7.2 atpublic==4.0 attrs==23.2.0 authheaders==0.16.2 authres==1.2.0 blessed==1.20.0 certifi==2023.11.17 cffi==1.16.0 charset-normalizer==3.3.2 click==8.1.7 cmarkgfm==2024.1.14 cryptography==42.0.1 defusedxml==0.7.1 Django==4.2.11 django-allauth==0.60.1 django-appconf==1.0.6 django-compressor==4.4 django-extensions==3.2.3 django-gravatar2==1.4.4 django-haystack==3.2.1 django-mailman3==1.3.12 django-picklefield==3.1 django-q==1.3.9 djangorestframework==3.14.0 dkimpy==1.1.5 dnspython==2.5.0 docutils==0.20.1 falcon==3.1.3 filelock==3.13.1 flufl.bounce==4.0 flufl.i18n==5.0.2 flufl.lock==8.0.2 greenlet==3.0.3 gunicorn==21.2.0 HyperKitty==1.3.9 idna==3.6 lazr.config==3.0 lazr.delegates==2.1.0 mailman==3.3.9 mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1 mailman-web==0.0.9 mailmanclient==3.3.5 Mako==1.3.0 MarkupSafe==2.1.4 mistune==3.0.2 networkx==3.2.1 nh3==0.2.15 oauthlib==3.2.2 packaging==23.2 passlib==1.7.4 postorius==1.3.10 psutil==5.9.8 psycopg2-binary==2.9.9 publicsuffix2==2.20191221 pycparser==2.21 Pygments==2.17.2 PyJWT==2.8.0 python-dateutil==2.8.2 python3-openid==3.2.0 pytz==2023.3.post1 rcssmin==1.1.1 readme-renderer==42.0 redis==3.5.3 requests==2.31.0 requests-oauthlib==1.3.1 rjsmin==1.2.1 robot-detection==0.4 six==1.16.0 SQLAlchemy==2.0.25 sqlparse==0.4.4 types-python-dateutil==2.8.19.20240106 typing_extensions==4.9.0 urllib3==2.1.0 wcwidth==0.2.13 Whoosh==2.7.4 xapian @ file:///opt/mailman/xapian-1.4.24-cp311-cp311-linux_aarch64.whl xapian-haystack==3.1.0 zope.component==6.0 zope.configuration==5.0 zope.event==5.0 zope.hookable==6.0 zope.i18nmessageid==6.1.0 zope.interface==6.1 zope.schema==7.0.1

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Mailman with Python 3.12
by Andrew Hodgson April 26, 2024

April 26, 2024

Hi. What's the latest on Mailman with Python 3.12? Looking at Ubuntu 24.04 upgrade plans and realised it comes with Python 3.12. Ubuntu are shipping Mailman packages from Debian so not sure if they have made any changes to make Python 3.12 work. I don't use those packages myself. Andrew.

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mailman3-web and the django middleware problem
by Thomas Stein April 26, 2024

April 26, 2024

Howdy! I'm trying to migrate an aged mailman3 installation from ubuntu 20.04 to ubuntu 22.04. Fresh install of mailman3-web gives me: Creating config file /etc/dbconfig-common/mailman3-web.conf with new version creating database mailman3web.db: success. verifying database mailman3web.db exists: success. Creating config file /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py with new version /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/conf.py:174: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than t imeout,failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion.See https://django-q2.readthedocs.io/en/maste r/configure.html#retry for details. warn( Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/django-admin", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('Django==4.2.11', 'console_scripts', 'django-admin')()) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 442, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 416, in execute django.setup() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/__init__.py", line 24, in setup apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/apps/registry.py", line 124, in populate app_config.ready() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/apps.py", line 15, in ready raise ImproperlyConfigured( django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE dpkg: error processing package mailman3-web (--configure): installed mailman3-web package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: mailman3-web needrestart is being skipped since dpkg has failed E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I've already seen this thread: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… ...but that does not get me anywhere. Could someone please push me in the right direction? cheers! t.

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Slow performance when listing members on Postorius
by Alan So April 24, 2024

April 24, 2024

We are about to upgrade to Mailman core 3.3.9 and Postorius 1.3.10. We notice that for setup with large number of members, the performance is much slower when listing members on web (Postorius). Further troubleshooting show that there are quite a number of API calls which do not appear in Mailman core 3.3.5 and Postorius 1.3.6 when we list members. [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/33a6266d0a04472c8d5d6c78869a964c/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/7a18b7cb90a34ac98881a3f01b5488d1/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/61c6c3e2aaf443babd3bd191519b0424/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/8dd681165b8c436fac6793cae1ed2c27/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Further tests showing that each database query using "_member_id" in table member can take as much as 0.3 to 0.5 seconds for some large installations. The default 25 members per page mean that it will take at least 7.5 to 12.5 seconds. Changing to 200 members per page will take even longer time. We wonder whether "_member_id" should be indexed just like most other id in the database mailman_core in order to solve the issue. Or are there any other workarounds? +----------------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ | Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra | +----------------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ | id | int(11) | NO | PRI | NULL | auto_increment | | _member_id | char(32) | YES | | NULL | | | role | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | list_id | varchar(255) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | moderation_action | int(11) | YES | | NULL | | | address_id | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | preferences_id | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | user_id | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | bounce_score | int(11) | YES | | NULL | | | last_bounce_received | datetime | YES | | NULL | | | last_warning_sent | datetime | YES | | NULL | | | total_warnings_sent | int(11) | YES | | NULL | | +----------------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+

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Change config to create a new list with all archives off
by Tibor Molnar April 21, 2024

April 21, 2024

Can archiving be changed anywhere in mailman3 configs, so then all new lists created do not archive by default?

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Mailman 3 hosting query
by Bill Robertson April 18, 2024

April 18, 2024

Hi I'm investigating the possibility of transferring a fairly small mailing list I own from Google Groups to MM3 via a hosting service. I'd appreciate any pointers regarding what I should be looking out for with companies that offer this service It also seems very hard to find out which hosting companies are worth considering (In particular, reliability and support are important) Any help much is much appreciated Thanks

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Is there a way to find out when a user subscribed to a list
by Mohsen Masoudfar April 17, 2024

April 17, 2024

Hi, We need to find out when a specific user joined a list. Is there a way to get this information? Thanks!

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Mailman-web stop responding.
by Paul Rubin April 17, 2024

April 17, 2024

I was trying to administrate a list and discovered that mailman-web was unresponsive. I have tried stopping and restarting it. The error logs update for the startup, but not when anything connects to localhost:8000. The last entry in uwsgi.log was two hours ago and nothing has been added since. I tried both lynx http://localhost:8000 and telnet to http://localhost 8000 and GET request instantly closes the port and logs nothing. As far as I can tell both mailman and postgres are working fine. This is what logs on startup. ==> uwsgi-error.log <== *** Starting uWSGI 2.0.22 (64bit) on [Sun Apr 14 10:45:51 2024] *** compiled with version: 13.2.1 20230912 [revision b96e66fd4ef3e36983969fb8cdd1956f551a074b] on 05 October 2023 13:37:28 os: Linux-6.5.4-1-default #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed Sep 20 05:07:04 UTC 2023 (fdd7e9e) nodename: mail.rubinsoftware.com machine: x86_64 clock source: unix detected number of CPU cores: 4 current working directory: / detected binary path: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi !!! no internal routing support, rebuild with pcre support !!! your processes number limit is 15246 your memory page size is 4096 bytes detected max file descriptor number: 1024 lock engine: pthread robust mutexes thunder lock: disabled (you can enable it with --thunder-lock) uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8000 fd 8 Python version: 3.11.5 (main, Aug 31 2023, 07:57:41) [GCC] PEP 405 virtualenv detected: /opt/mailman/venv/ Set PythonHome to /opt/mailman/venv/ Python main interpreter initialized at 0x7f2c3d709d58 python threads support enabled your server socket listen backlog is limited to 100 connections your mercy for graceful operations on workers is 60 seconds mapped 250128 bytes (244 KB) for 4 cores *** Operational MODE: preforking+threaded *** added /etc/mailman3/ to pythonpath. WSGI app 0 (mountpoint='') ready in 0 seconds on interpreter 0x7f2c3d709d58 pid: 16064 (default app) *** uWSGI is running in multiple interpreter mode *** spawned uWSGI master process (pid: 16064) spawned uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 16065, cores: 2) spawned uWSGI worker 2 (pid: 16067, cores: 2) [uwsgi-daemons] spawning "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster" (uid: 72 gid: 67) 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster white-green-ten-mobile starting. 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 16072 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 16073 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 monitoring at 16074 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster white-green-ten-mobile 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 pushing tasks at 16075 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster white-green-ten-mobile running. What should I do to diagnose further?

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ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'xapian_backend'
by Ron / BCLUG April 17, 2024

April 17, 2024

I had a working mailman3, tore it down, switched to PostgreSQL (from MySQL), and now everything is working, except: mailman-web update_index and mailman-web update_index_one_list They fail with: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'xapian_backend' I rebuilt and re-installed xapian: (venv) mailman@mail:~$ echo $XAPIAN_VERSION 1.4.25 (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip list | grep -i xapian xapian 1.4.25 Any ideas? Thanks! rb

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mailman3 digest sending questions and also adding docker to the mix
by bob B April 17, 2024

April 17, 2024

So I have been down the digest rabbit hole. So to confirm my assumptions/findings: Digest size threshold---- means when the total size of held messages hits this setting, a digest is sent Digest Volume Frequency. ---- specifies when the digest volume number gets incremented for digest messages, IT DOES NOT send out digests based on the setting, daily, weekly ... So what does the GUI setting "Send Digest Periodically yes no" do? how periodically does it send digests, if this is set to yes? If I want to send a digest out for a list every day, or every week, how do I set that, especially in the docker environment? Is this something that can be configured in the GUI and configured by each of my list admins? I found that ”'mailman digests --periodic' via cron” should be set in googling, but does that mean I have to do a cron job for any list that wants a scheduled digest sent? My use case is, that I have a list admin who set a size threshold, but regardless of that, they also want their list digest sent out daily, they thought it was the "Digest Volume Frequency" setting but that is not correct. However in their testing they are not getting daily digest, they are getting digests only when the threshold is reached, BUT they have "Send Digest Periodically" set to "yes" and "Enable Digests" is set to "yes"

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hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index
by Ben Harris April 13, 2024

April 13, 2024

hello there, i migrated to a new host last night and i've been getting this error from a cronjob mail every minute. anyone have any ideas what would cause this? ERROR 2019-04-17 14:26:33,056 27205 hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index: ord() expected a character, but string of length 0 found Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 186, in run_with_lock fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 87, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 276, in update_backend last_max_pk=max_pk) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 97, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 178, in update self.setup() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 126, in setup self.index = self.storage.open_index(schema=self.schema) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/filedb/filestore.py", line 176, in open_index return indexclass(self, schema=schema, indexname=indexname) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 421, in __init__ TOC.read(self.storage, self.indexname, schema=self._schema) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 632, in read check_size("int", _INT_SIZE) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 626, in check_size sz = stream.read_varint() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/filedb/structfile.py", line 191, in read_varint return read_varint(self.read) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/util/varints.py", line 102, in read_varint b = ord(readfn(1)) thanks, ben

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Error -- postorius Un-handled exception
by Mark April 12, 2024

April 12, 2024

Hi All, I've just installed MM3 on a fresh Debian 12 using the Virtualenv method. (venv)...$ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0] Postorius Version 1.3.10 After creating a couple of lists, the lists are shown in the table on the "Mailing lists" webpage as they should, but clicking on any of the listnames returns an error page: Something went wrong HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} And the Mailman log is a mystery to me, and no error is reported in the Nginx log ... # tail -f /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log ERROR 2024-01-24 05:41:46,327 51799 postorius Un-handled exception: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 103, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/views/generic.py", line 76, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 142, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 359, in get and 'hyperkitty' in archivers # noqa: W504 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "<frozen _collections_abc>", line 780, in __contains__ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 146, in __getitem__ return self._get(key) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 88, in _get return self.rest_data[key] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 74, in rest_data response, content = self._connection.call(self._url) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 160, in call raise HTTPError(params.get('url'), response.status_code, urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} ERROR 2024-01-24 05:41:46,333 51799 django.request Internal Server Error: /postorius/lists/testing.example.com/ ERROR 2024-01-24 05:41:46,333 51799 django.request Internal Server Error: /postorius/lists/testing.example.com/ Could anyone steer me in the right direction for fixing this? Thanks, Mark

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Sibling lists in Mailman3
by Markus Grandpre April 10, 2024

April 10, 2024

Dear list, after I migrated a list from Mailman21 to Mailman3 I missed the Mailman21 setting "regular_include_lists" (or something similar) in Mailman3. How are sibling lists treated in Mailman3? Thank you in advance for your answers. Best Markus -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Requesting help with a turnkey mailman installation
by biobee7＠gmail.com April 7, 2024

April 7, 2024

Hello Everyone! If you can install mailman turnkey on my server - email me biobee7(a)gmail.com

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Warning on EL8: django-mailman 1.3.12 prefers Django 4.2 which requires Maria DB>10.4
by Jered Floyd April 4, 2024

April 4, 2024

A heads-up for anyone else on RHEL 8, because the error is mystifying. django-mailman 1.3.12 bumps the preferred django version from 4.1 to 4.2. Django 4.2 requires MariaDB 10.4 or later. RHEL 8 has full lifecycle support for MariaDB 10.3. For some reason I haven't yet been able to identify, this causes pyMySQL integrations to fail with the mysterious error: django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: mysqlclient 1.4.3 or newer is required; you have 1.4.6. (Yes, Database.version_info contains "(1, 4, 2, 'final', 0)" while Database.version contains "1.4.6" and I am totally stumped where that 1.4.2 is coming from as it appears... nowhere.) Bypassing that error check gives the more informative: django.db.utils.NotSupportedError: MariaDB 10.4 or later is required (found 10.3.39). Doing a pip install with django\<4.2 works. This is not ideal since 4.1 is past LTS, so I would recommend that Mailman systems be migrated to RHEL 9. --Jered

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Question: What happens if I delete a user from all lists and that user is sole owner of some list?
by David Partain April 3, 2024

April 3, 2024

Hi, One of the great things about our new installation compared with our old is the ability to manage users via https://our.wee.domain/postorius/users I might have been able to manage them using the command line on the old installation, but there is no 'mailman delmembers' on that box. Since I now have this Mighty Power, I want to use it to clean up. There are many users who should no longer be on the system, so I want to run something along the lines of: mailman delmembers --member some(a)email.address --fromall \ --no-goodbye-msg --no-admin-notify or, if I'm feeling brave, something like this. mailman delmembers --file somefile --fromall \ --no-goodbye-msg --no-admin-notify My question is: If one of these users is the sole owner of a list, what will happen? Will the user be deleted and that list now owner-less? Will mailman refuse to delete that user until I add a new owner? Thanks in advance for your feedback. Cheers, David

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Help with mailman2 to mailman3 archive migration
by francisco.lopezayuso＠sib.swiss April 2, 2024

April 2, 2024

Hello all, I'm having some issues with a migration I'm performing right now from our old mailman2 server to a mailman3 one. The mailing lists imports work fine, but the archives seems to work sometimes: This means that some lists archives appear but others are missing when browsing the archives in the web UI. This happens despite the command line telling me that the import went fine. Here are the steps I run for the archives: # Copy the archives into the my new server # Cleaning old archives, where $LIST is my mailing list name $ /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/contrib/check_hk_import /opt/mailman3/archives/private/"$LIST".mbox/"$LIST".mbox $ /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/contrib/cleanarch3 /opt/mailman3/archives/private/"$LIST".mbox/"$LIST ".mbox # Importing the archives $ mailman-web hyperkitty_import -l "$LIST(a)my.domain.com" /opt/mailman3/archives/private/"$LIST".mbox/"$LIST".mbox # Indexing the new archive $ mailman-web update_index_one_list "$LIST(a)my.domain.com" Here is also an example log of an archive I'm migrating that does not appear in the UI, for reference (list and domain were renamed for privacy): $ mailman-web hyperkitty_import -l my_list(a)domain.com --since=1900-01-01 /opt/mailman3/archives/private/my_list.mbox/my_list.mbox Importing from mbox file /opt/mailman3/archives/private/my_list.mbox/my_list.mbox to my_list(a)domain.com Computing thread structure Synchronizing properties with Mailman Adding admin as owner of MailingList: my_list.lists.domain.com 2070 emails left to refresh, checked 1000 2070 emails left to refresh, checked 2000 Warming up cache The full-text search index is not updated for this list. It will not be updated by the 'minutely' incremental update job. To update the index for this list, run the Django admin command with arguments 'update_index_one_list my_list(a)domain.com'. $ mailman-web update_index_one_list my_list(a)domain.com Indexing 22 emails Any help would be greatly appreciated, I'm very lost here... Cheers,

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Mailman stops processing....... where to start looking for root cause?
by bob B April 2, 2024

April 2, 2024

Today was the 2nd time mailman stopped sending out mail, it receives mail but sends nothing out. To resolve the issue I restarted the mailman services and then all the incoming/queued mail was sent out... last time this happened was 21 days ago.... Before that, it has been rock solid for years. We are running in a docker environment with no recent changes. On the host in /var/log/maillog, I see the mail coming in and going to mailman in docker. for docker, the mailman logs are in /opt/mailman/core/var/logs in /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/smtp.log ---------- I see the messages coming in /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/debug.log ------------ is empty /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/mailman.log -------------- I do not see anything that looks like it had an issue So where can I look to try to determine a cause? If it happens again, what and where can I cook to troubleshoot before restarting the service? Thanks

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Seeking help completing a useful installation
by Hugh Esco March 30, 2024

March 30, 2024

I have more fully documented where I am at with this attempt to build a working installation of mm3 at this link: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/73 My questions include: - the template for /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg, defines vardir, but no DATA_DIR. See test failure #1 (closed) <http:///mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/1>, above. Where does that want to be? Any issue with putting the mm3.db next to the mm3_web.db at /opt/mailman/mm/var/data? - there are two possible virtualenv's in my build: (a) /opt/mailman/venv/ and (b) /opt/mailman/.pyenv/. I say more about these below. Which do I want to use in this instance? I'm guessing the latter where the mailman3 libraries are published, but have doubts. The link above urges a dependency on python ^3.11, but bookworm provides only python 3.8, so I used pyenv to satisfy the requirement. It wanted to deploy to its own path, though perhaps there is some switch which would consolidate everything under /opt/mailman/venv/. I do not work with python enough to know. - attempts to run bin/mailman-web startapp mm3web fail to add any new processes to the process list. bin/mailman-web start fails with errors. What change of state to the server should I expect from running this command? How do I test for success? If startapp is the correct invocation, what argument does it want on a working installation? - having run the command in the previous point, I see nothing in the browser except for the apache starter page at the root path '/'. None of the paths defined in the apache2 configuration seem to offer any joy. I assume that uwsgi wants to proxy the requests to a running mailman-web service somehow, but that no such service is found. I see one hopeful line in the log at: /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log "GET /3.1/lists?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" - I assume that once I get apache2 wired to a running application through the uwsgi proxy, that I can proceed to create an admin user, use it to explore the web gui, and begin to consider how to migrate my legacy mm2.1 lists into the new installation. Any further help crossing the finish line would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Hugh

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Disabling the footer on a mailing list: Is this how?
by David Partain March 28, 2024

March 28, 2024

Hi, I regularly get requests from users to disable footers since they use email clients that simply show an attached text file. Yes, I know that's broken. I never got this working with my old broken installation. Since we're now running a shiny new version of mailman3, I thought I'd give it a go again. From what I've read, I thought the following would do the trick: # sudo -u mailman -s /usr/bin/bash $ source /local/mailman/venv/bin/activate $ cd ~/var/templates/ $ mkdir -p lists/test-list.our.domain/en/ $ cp /dev/null "lists/test-list.our.wee.domain/en/list:member:regular:footer" However, sending mail to test-list(a)our.wee.domain<mailto:test-list@our.wee.domain> still includes the footer. What am I missing? Do I need to restart something? Did I misunderstand what I've read? With kind regards, David

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See list of subscribers
by Tom Yates March 27, 2024

March 27, 2024

I'm sure I'm just doing something stupid, but I can't work out what. I have a list, as admin under "Settings" -> "List Identity" -> "Members List Visibility" I have it set to "Only Mailinglist Members". But a random subscriber, who's signed up and authenticated, when she visits the list page she sees her subscription, but no option to list the other subscribers. Is she looking in the wrong place? Do I need to open up more settings? Am I just being an idiot? Thanks for any light anyone can shed. -- Tom Yates - https://www.teaparty.net

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Hyperkitty on Debian 12
by Markus Grandpre March 27, 2024

March 27, 2024

Dear list members, when following the instructions to migrate list archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3 (see [1]), I face the following problem: # python3 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l mailman21-migration-test-04 /var/mailman21/testlist.mbox python3: can't open file '/var/mailman21/manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory and have no clue, where to find the right <manage.py> file. The command dpkg returns: # dpkg -l | grep hyperkitty ii python3-django-hyperkitty 1.3.7-1 all Web user interface to access GNU Mailman3 archives In </etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py> I find: INSTALLED_APPS = ( 'hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', ... Can you please help me? Thank you in advance? Best, Markus [1] <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html> -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Topics - Tags
by Mark March 27, 2024

March 27, 2024

Hi, I'm reading the docs on "Message tagging" (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/d…) as saying shell access is needed to: (a) enable topics, and (b) write the keywords. In Mailman 2 there is an Admin web UI for "Topics". Is there such a web UI that can be enabled in Mailman 3 so that the list owners can create topics (tags) in their lists? Thanks.

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Deleting messages from HyperKitty archive
by Mark March 25, 2024

March 25, 2024

Hi, I'm running Mailman 3.3.9 with HyperKitty version 1.3.8 (venv installed as per the docs). As superuser (listmaster) I can "Delete message/thread" and "Delete archive". These options aren't there for the list owners. The docs (link below) say that in the newer HyperKitty version 1.3.9, list owners can delete messages/threads Is there a patch I can implement on HyperKitty version 1.3.8 (so list owners can delete messages), or is it possible to update HyperKitty to version 1.3.9 without bringing everything crashing down? *** https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html 1.3.9 (2024-02-27) List owners can now delete messages and threads and reattach threads. (Fixes #261) *** Thanks, Mark

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Issue converting table charset to utf8mb4 on mysql
by Helio Loureiro March 24, 2024

March 24, 2024

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How to fix lists with characters errors?
by Helio Loureiro March 24, 2024

March 24, 2024

Hi, I just found several lists have the issue like this regarding charset: (venv) mailman@new-mailman3 ~ (v3.1.1)> mailman members listas-charset-issue(a)mailman.domain.com anders(a)domain.com beth(a)domain.com charlie(a)domain.com david(a)domain.com ellen(a)domain.com Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.9', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1078, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1688, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1434, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 783, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 33, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_members.py", line 222, in members display_members(ctx, mlist, role, regular, File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_members.py", line 109, in display_members print(f'{address.display_name} <{address.original_email}>', UnicodeEncodeError: 'latin-1' codec can't encode character '\u0142' in position 9: ordinal not in range(256) Since this service is running since time of python2, I guess the old lists handled accented characters was to save as latin-1. But how can I fix this now? Note: apparently the list remains working just fine. It is just the command line failing. And perhaps some other side effect. Best Regards, Helio Loureiro https://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro

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Badsignature on uwsgi-error.log
by Helio Loureiro March 22, 2024

March 22, 2024

Hi, I keep receiving a lot of errors like this: --- Logging error --- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 356, in pusher task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1]) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 25, in loads return signing.loads( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 35, in loads base64d = force_bytes(TimestampSigner(key, salt=salt).unsign(s, max_age=max_age)) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 70, in unsign result = super(TimestampSigner, self).unsign(value) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 55, in unsign raise BadSignature('Signature "%s" does not match' % sig) django.core.signing.BadSignature: Signature "F6V0Dr_SvBsx5-cY8vcvLXrX8tA" does not match During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 1100, in emit msg = self.format(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 943, in format return fmt.format(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 678, in format record.message = record.getMessage() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 368, in getMessage msg = msg % self.args TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting Call stack: File "/local/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 90, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 402, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 448, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/management/commands/qcluster.py", line 22, in handle q.start() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 78, in start self.sentinel.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 121, in start self._popen = self._Popen(self) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 224, in _Popen return _default_context.get_context().Process._Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 281, in _Popen return Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 19, in __init__ self._launch(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 71, in _launch code = process_obj._bootstrap(parent_sentinel=child_r) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 314, in _bootstrap self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 108, in run self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 168, in __init__ self.start() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 172, in start self.spawn_cluster() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 248, in spawn_cluster self.pusher = self.spawn_pusher() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 201, in spawn_pusher return self.spawn_process(pusher, self.task_queue, self.event_out, self.broker) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 197, in spawn_process p.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 121, in start self._popen = self._Popen(self) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 224, in _Popen return _default_context.get_context().Process._Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 281, in _Popen return Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 19, in __init__ self._launch(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 71, in _launch code = process_obj._bootstrap(parent_sentinel=child_r) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 314, in _bootstrap self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 108, in run self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 358, in pusher logger.error(e, traceback.format_exc()) Message: BadSignature('Signature "F6V0Dr_SvBsx5-cY8vcvLXrX8tA" does not match') Arguments: ('Traceback (most recent call last):\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 356, in pusher\n task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1])\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 25, in loads\n return signing.loads(\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 35, in loads\n base64d = force_bytes(TimestampSigner(key, salt=salt).unsign(s, max_age=max_age))\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 70, in unsign\n result = super(TimestampSigner, self).unsign(value)\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 55, in unsign\n raise BadSignature(\'Signature "%s" does not match\' % sig)\ndjango.core.signing.BadSignature: Signature "F6V0Dr_SvBsx5-cY8vcvLXrX8tA" does not match\n',) The api_key on mailman-hypperkitty.cfg, SECRET_KEY and MAILMAN_ARCHIVE_KEY on setting.py are the same. Any clue what could be the issue? And this is on the latest mailman. > pip freeze aiosmtpd==1.4.4.post2 alembic==1.13.1 arrow==1.3.0 asgiref==3.7.2 atpublic==4.0 attrs==23.2.0 authheaders==0.16.2 authres==1.2.0 blessed==1.20.0 certifi==2024.2.2 cffi==1.16.0 charset-normalizer==3.3.2 click==8.1.7 cmarkgfm==2024.1.14 cryptography==42.0.3 defusedxml==0.7.1 Django==4.1.13 django-allauth==0.61.1 django-appconf==1.0.6 django-compressor==4.4 django-extensions==3.2.3 django-gravatar2==1.4.4 django-haystack==3.2.1 django-mailman3==1.3.11 django-picklefield==3.1 django-q==1.3.9 djangorestframework==3.14.0 dkimpy==1.1.5 dnspython==2.5.0 docutils==0.20.1 falcon==3.1.3 flufl.bounce==4.0 flufl.i18n==5.0.2 flufl.lock==8.0.2 greenlet==3.0.3 gunicorn==21.2.0 HyperKitty==1.3.8 idna==3.6 lazr.config==3.0 lazr.delegates==2.1.0 mailman==3.3.9 mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1 mailman-web==0.0.8 mailmanclient==3.3.5 Mako==1.3.2 MarkupSafe==2.1.5 mistune==2.0.5 mysql==0.0.3 mysqlclient==2.2.4 networkx==3.2.1 nh3==0.2.15 oauthlib==3.2.2 packaging==23.2 passlib==1.7.4 postorius==1.3.10 psutil==5.9.8 publicsuffix2==2.20191221 pycparser==2.21 Pygments==2.17.2 PyJWT==2.8.0 PyMySQL==1.1.0 python-dateutil==2.8.2 python3-openid==3.2.0 pytz==2024.1 rcssmin==1.1.1 readme-renderer==42.0 redis==3.5.3 requests==2.31.0 requests-oauthlib==1.3.1 rjsmin==1.2.1 robot-detection==0.4 six==1.16.0 SQLAlchemy==2.0.27 sqlparse==0.4.4 types-python-dateutil==2.8.19.20240106 typing_extensions==4.9.0 urllib3==2.2.0 uWSGI==2.0.24 wcwidth==0.2.13 Whoosh==2.7.4 xapian @ file:///local/mailman/xapian-1.4.23-cp310-cp310-linux_x86_64.whl zope.component==6.0 zope.configuration==5.0.1 zope.event==5.0 zope.hookable==6.0 zope.i18nmessageid==6.1.0 zope.interface==6.2 zope.schema==7.0.1 Best Regards, Helio Loureiro https://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro

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need help to migrate from Mailman2 to Mailman3 (french if possible)
by pascalleval＠yahoo.fr March 22, 2024

March 22, 2024

Hello everybody, I'm trying to migrate my mailing lists on Debian 11 server from Mailman2 to Mailman3, and I'm having difficulties ! Mailman3 is already functional, but I could not configurate Postfix for this. Is there anyone speaking french that could help me ? Thanks in advance.

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ValueError: The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples.
by David Partain March 21, 2024

March 21, 2024

Greetings, We're trying to move from an ancient and bad Ubuntu-package based installation of mailman3 to a venv-based do-it-the-right-way installation. # mailman --version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Things seem much better than past migration attempts. We are, though, seeing tons of errors in uwsgi-error.log that look like this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/wsgi.py", line 131, in __call__ response = self.get_response(request) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 140, in get_response response = self._middleware_chain(request) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 58, in inner response = response_for_exception(request, exc) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 144, in response_for_exception log_response( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/log.py", line 241, in log_response getattr(logger, level)( File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 1506, in error self._log(ERROR, msg, args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 1624, in _log self.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 1634, in handle self.callHandlers(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 1696, in callHandlers hdlr.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 968, in handle self.emit(record) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/log.py", line 128, in emit self.send_mail(subject, message, fail_silently=True, html_message=html_message) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/log.py", line 131, in send_mail mail.mail_admins( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/mail/__init__.py", line 124, in mail_admins raise ValueError("The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples.") ValueError: The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples. Our ADMINS setting in /etc/mailman3/settings.py has ADMINS = ( ('Mailman Suite Admin', 'someone(a)our.domain', 'someoneelse(a)our.domain'), ) Can someone point me in a direction to correct this? Thanks in advance. David

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mailman3 3.2.2 python3.8 problem on focal
by Thomas Stein March 21, 2024

March 21, 2024

Hello list! I saw a few posts regarding the "Uncaught runner exception: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock'" problem but no solution to that. It seems this issue sneaked in at some point. I was getting aware of it when suddenly notifications to non-member posts did not work anymore. Everything else seems still to work. So, what is the prefered solution here? Is it possible to "repair" focal? There is python2.7, python3.6 and python3.8 installed currently. Or do I need to switch to a supported distribution like debian something? Wait for ubuntu 24.04? Any hints are really appreciated. cheers! t.

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SpamAssassin and clamav?
by Marisa Giancarla March 16, 2024

March 16, 2024

Is there a way to have mm3 use SpamAssassin and/or clamav? Marisa

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How to disable global templates for all lists
by christopher.claus＠tgcamberg1848.de March 14, 2024

March 14, 2024

Hallo togeher, I´m using the docker version from maxking and mailman core-version 3.3.9. I was wondering why there were messages in the list with "non-configured" footers. I found the files > mailman-core:/opt/mailman# find / -name "*list:member:*" /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/de/list:member:digest:masthead.txt /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/ca/list:member:generic:footer.txt /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/ca/list:member:digest:masthead.txt /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/nl/list:member:generic:footer.txt but I found no option to disable them. How can I disable these global list-configuration? Best regards, chrclaus

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outgoing messages not sent in a busy loop
by Igor Serebryany March 13, 2024

March 13, 2024

incoming messages are showing up in hyperkitty but not going out as emails to list members. i've tried enabling the following debug logging: format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y propagate: no level: info path: mailman.log [logging.smtp] level: DEBUG [logging.smtp-failure] level: DEBUG [logging.runner] level: DEBUG [logging.debug] level: debug [logging.smtp-failure] level: debug with these options, if i run `tail -f *` in the `log` directory of mailman, i get the following in essentially a busy loop: ``` ==> smtp.log <== Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) Using agent: <mailman.mta.bulk.BulkDelivery object at 0x7fef1c9ad050> ==> debug.log <== Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (17) [NNTPRunner] starting oneloop Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (17) [NNTPRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] finishing filebase: 1710356926.1738262+0a50dc0e393ba4de10bcdadb5376d4330f670c77 Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] doing periodic Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] committing transaction Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] checking short circuit Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1710356926.2733445+d044aeb93be86fbf662b6e0feffc89d0f2e4eb66 Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefile Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7fef1cda27a0>: <CADJyiOV1RAth=3CkNoHJ1qTVzedzX8BG0k6iwe019jXau30pLw(a)mail.gmail.com> ==> smtp.log <== Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) Using agent: <mailman.mta.bulk.BulkDelivery object at 0x7fef1cb0f390> ``` which doesn't give me a lot to go on. anyone know what could be causing this or any way to get additional debug information?

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Hyperkitty tracebacks: possible DB corruption?
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au March 13, 2024

March 13, 2024

Hi Folks, Just recently I've started seeing backtraces from Django when trying to view old threads in hyperkitty. They say that more than one LastView is being returned, and at a later date cannot delete a LastView. I'm using the Debian-packaged hyperkitty and postorius, but this code hasn't changed from upstream. The backtraces come when a logged in used revisits a thread. So I see: Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/devel(a)sel4.systems/thread/XP2GFYGXOXBC3QBKKZQLZ6STSHQHK6K2/ MultipleObjectsReturned at /hyperkitty/list/devel(a)sel4.systems/thread/XP2GFYGXOXBC3QBKKZQLZ6STSHQHK6K2/ get() returned more than one LastView -- it returned 2! Then later on I see: LastView.objects.delete(pk=del_id) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AttributeError: 'Manager' object has no attribute 'delete' Here are the backtraces: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 47, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 137, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/thread.py", line 162, in thread_index last_view_obj, created = LastView.objects.get_or_create( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 581, in get_or_create return self.get(**kwargs), False File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 439, in get raise self.model.MultipleObjectsReturned( and Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/devel(a)sel4.systems/2022/1/ AttributeError at /hyperkitty/list/devel(a)sel4.systems/2022/1/ 'Manager' object has no attribute 'delete' Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 47, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 137, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 127, in archives return _thread_list(request, mlist, threads, extra_context=extra_context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 173, in _thread_list LastView.objects.delete(pk=del_id)

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localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime
by Freerk Bosscha March 12, 2024

March 12, 2024

Since yesterday I get the following error-message when I go to the webinterface: ValueError at /admin/login/ localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mailman.pgtrynwalden.nl/mailman3/admin/login/?next=/mailman3/admin/ Django Version: 2.2.28 Exception Type: ValueError Exception Value: localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime Exception Location: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/timezone.py in localtime, line 207 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.9/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3.9/dist-packages'] Server time: vr, 1 Mrt 2024 11:52:50 +0100 Mailman info: mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: mysql+pymysql://mailman3:xxxxxxx If this issue was posted before, i'm sorry, i haven't found it: Any ideas how to solve this issue would be appreciated Environment: Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mailman.pgtrynwalden.nl/mailman3/admin/login/?next=/mailman3/admin/ Django Version: 2.2.28 Python Version: 3.9.2 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 35. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 145. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 143. response = response.render() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/response.py" in render 106. self.content = self.rendered_content File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/response.py" in rendered_content 83. content = template.render(context, self._request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/backends/django.py" in render 61. return self.template.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 169. with context.bind_template(self): File "/usr/lib/python3.9/contextlib.py" in __enter__ 117. return next(self.gen) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/context.py" in bind_template 246. updates.update(processor(self.request)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/context_processors.py" in postorius 38. mailman_day=(timezone.localtime(timezone.now()).day == MAILMAN_DAY), File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/timezone.py" in localtime 207. raise ValueError("localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime") Exception Type: ValueError at /admin/login/ Exception Value: localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime

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Messages hold for moderation - compared to mailman2 it appears that there are fewer options: missing option(?)
by Wikinaut March 8, 2024

March 8, 2024

Hello, I miss sadly the option of both: i) discarding the current message of a sender (not member of a closed list) ; and in the same action ii) adding this person to the whitelist, i.e. accept further mails from this sender. How can this be achieved?

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Help on Gitlab
by Mark Sapiro March 8, 2024

March 8, 2024

Plese keep the thread on the list. On 3/8/24 6:36 AM, Daniel Azubuine wrote: > Sir, I get this error > /home/daniel/Documents/repos/mailman/mailman/.tox/qa/bin/python: can't > open file '/home/daniel/Documents/repos/mailman/mailman/setup.py': > [Errno 2] No such file or directory > ERROR: invocation failed (exit code 2)/ > _______________________________________________ summary > ________________________________________________ > ERROR: qa: InvocationError for command > /home/daniel/Documents/repos/mailman/mailman/.tox/qa/bin/python > /home/daniel/Documents/repos/mailman/mailman/setup.py --name (exited > with code 2) > when i run tox -e qa. What is your tox version (tox --version)? You shouldn't need this, but adding ``` skipdist = True ``` in the [tox] section of tox.ini may help. > I also get this when i run tox -e py310-diffcov > ------------- > src/mailman/interfaces/listmanager.py (75.0%): Missing lines 37 > ------------- > Total: 4 lines > Missing: 1 line > Coverage: 75% > ------------- > > ERROR: InvocationError for command > /home/daniel/Documents/repos/mailman/mailman/.tox/py310-diffcov/bin/diff-cover coverage.xml --fail-under=100 --compare-branch origin/master (exited with code 1) This is expected output in this case. Line 37 in your src/mailman/interfaces/listmanager.py is not covered by any tests. Modifying the test_cannot_create_a_list_twice test in src/mailman/model/tests/test_listmanager.py to use assertRaisesRegex rather than assertRaises may help. See <https://docs.python.org/3/library/unittest.html#unittest.TestCase.assertRai…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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mm3 installation question
by advorkin＠cs.princeton.edu March 7, 2024

March 7, 2024

Hello, everyone. I just completed the initial installation by following the instructions: https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-install I went with the apache/uswgi configuration. The site is up and running, but if I click Postorius, it gets redirected to https://mysite.com/postorius/lists and I get not found error message. The same goes for Lists and Archives. What did I do wrong? I've found some discussions online, but they seem to be related to a different installation, thus my confusion. Thank you!

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mass unsubscribe/subscribe
by ronn.ramirez＠pge.com March 6, 2024

March 6, 2024

Hi Mailman Admins, Whenever we mass subscribe or unsubscribe more than 500+ users, we would get a "500-internal-server-error" or a timeout. Is there something we can tweak or increase to way to increase this threshold?

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export/import list?
by Dave McGuire March 1, 2024

March 1, 2024

I'm migrating to a new Mailman3 instance, finally escaping a fairly old (3.1.1) and problematic distribution repo install on a Linux VM and moving to a venv install in a native SmartOS Zone. I've gotten everything running well and integrated with our (fairly complex) mail server. I'd like to begin migration of the lists on the old mm3 instance. Is there a way to export a list from one Mailman 3 instance and import it into another, on a different machine? Ideally some way to capture its settings, members, members' settings, etc? Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Migration from old server to new server failed
by Helio Loureiro March 1, 2024

March 1, 2024

Hi, So we tried to the migration following the steps: - stop mailman in the old machine (v3.1.1 from ubuntu packages) - dump DB mailman3 and mailman3web - backup /var/lib/mailman3 content On the new machine: - checkout from git the version 3.1.1 to match production and install the services - stop mailman3 and mailman3-web on the new machine - load DBs into new machine - copy content from /var/lib/mailman3 into /local/mailman/var (which means: archives/ cache/ data/ ext/ lists/ locks/ messages/ public_suffix_list.dat queue/ templates/ web/) - start mailman3 and mailman-3web - run mailman3-web migrate And I stopped here. Because it crashed. (venv) mailman@new-mailman3-server ~ (v3.1.1) [0|SIGINT]> mailman-web migrate System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: account.EmailAddress: (models.W036) MariaDB does not support unique constraints with conditions. HINT: A constraint won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. account.EmailAddress: (models.W043) MariaDB does not support indexes on expressions. HINT: An index won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: Applying account.0003_alter_emailaddress_create_unique_verified_email... OK Applying account.0004_alter_emailaddress_drop_unique_email... OK Applying account.0005_emailaddress_idx_upper_email... OK Applying admin.0003_logentry_add_action_flag_choices... OK Applying auth.0009_alter_user_last_name_max_length... OK Applying auth.0010_alter_group_name_max_length... OK Applying auth.0011_update_proxy_permissions... OK Applying auth.0012_alter_user_first_name_max_length... OK Applying django_mailman3.0003_sessions... OK Applying django_q.0010_auto_20200610_0856... OK Applying django_q.0011_auto_20200628_1055... OK Applying django_q.0012_auto_20200702_1608... OK Applying django_q.0013_task_attempt_count... OK Applying django_q.0014_schedule_cluster... OK Applying hyperkitty.0016_auto_20180309_0056... OK Applying hyperkitty.0017_file_attachments... OK Applying hyperkitty.0018_threadcategory_color... OK Applying hyperkitty.0019_auto_20190127_null_description... OK Applying hyperkitty.0020_auto_20190907_1927... OK Applying hyperkitty.0021_add_owners_mods...Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 87, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 75, in execute return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 179, in execute res = self._query(mogrified_query) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 330, in _query db.query(q) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 261, in query _mysql.connection.query(self, query) MySQLdb.OperationalError: (1050, "Table 'hyperkitty_mailinglist_moderators' already exists") The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 90, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 402, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 448, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 96, in wrapped res = handle_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/commands/migrate.py", line 349, in handle post_migrate_state = executor.migrate( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 135, in migrate state = self._migrate_all_forwards( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 167, in _migrate_all_forwards state = self.apply_migration( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 252, in apply_migration state = migration.apply(state, schema_editor) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/migration.py", line 130, in apply operation.database_forwards( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/operations/fields.py", line 108, in database_forwards schema_editor.add_field( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/schema.py", line 104, in add_field super().add_field(model, field) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 636, in add_field return self.create_model(field.remote_field.through) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 447, in create_model self.execute(sql, params or None) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 199, in execute cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 67, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 80, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute with self.db.wrap_database_errors: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 91, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 87, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 75, in execute return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 179, in execute res = self._query(mogrified_query) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 330, in _query db.query(q) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 261, in query _mysql.connection.query(self, query) django.db.utils.OperationalError: (1050, "Table 'hyperkitty_mailinglist_moderators' already exists") I tried to drop the table, but then it complained about another one. I dropped all the complained tables and as result hypperkitty never started. So I went back to see why the first error happened. Any clue what to do next? Best Regards, Helio Loureiro https://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro

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Google Summer of Code 2024
by Stephen J. Turnbull Feb. 26, 2024

Feb. 26, 2024

Hi, everybody It's that time of year again! PSF is in GSoC 2024, I'm 99% certain PSF will accept Mailman as a suborg (don't ask about the 1%, it's embarrassing ;-). Student applications open on March 18. So ... If you have ideas for improving Mailman 3, whether misfeatures that need fixing or cool new features, please consult our ideas page https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202024 to get an idea of level of detail and style of description needed (and to see if maybe it's already there. You can send them to me if they're already formed in your mind, or send them here for input from users on requirements, or to mailman-developers(a)python.org for input on implementation feasibility and appropriateness for GSoC. If you know anybody who would be interested in participating as a contributor, please encourage them to look at us. Rules are somewhat relaxed from years ago. They still don't accept below college age, but they no longer restrict to students. They're also offering multiple period lengths from 8 to 22 weeks (stipends vary according to period and by price level in country of residence, see https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/student-stipends) They're not as generous as a few years ago, at least for the "rich" countries (US, UK, Japan). You don't need to be an experienced coder or project manager to be a secondary mentor, just willing to communicate with the code contributor. If you're interested in being a primary or secondary mentor, the burden is likely to be "as much as you want". We rarely get more than one good application, and we have enough "default" primary mentors to cover the likely maximum number of slots we could be allocated. It would be very helpful to us and to the PSF organization administrators if you express interest and get signed up by the end of next week, but as far as I know we can add or substitute mentors at any time. Potential mentors should 1. Have a Google account (needed for step 2, and required by GSoC) 2. Sign up with Python-GSoC at https://forms.gle/coJYxhor6FAZcZfU8 3. If you have been a GSoC mentor or org admin in the past, go to https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com and accept the contributor agreement and program rules for 2024. (Definitely if you did last year, probably for 2022 the system still remembers you, and unlikely it has more memory than that.) Steve

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Settings for prevention of spam obfuscation
by Richard Rosner Feb. 26, 2024

Feb. 26, 2024

Are there any settings that may help with making it easier seeing spam as spam? E.g. some mail programs, including Outlook, allow the user to set a from mail address that most mail clients will show instead of the true sender address, but the senders mail address is still present in the sender header field. While some people and companies carelessly abuse that functionality, hiding their true mail address, those bad practices also are abused my spammers and others. Does mailman have any settings that would remove any such obfuscations, e.g. in this case detect the manipulated from address and replace it with the sender address? While I do run my own spam filter, it's virtually getting harder every day to make sure you detect all spam while not having too many false positives. If it was possible to reverse at least the most obvious manipulations, that would probably already help. Also, it would make it much easier for the users to see at first glance who actually wrote an email. It's always less trustworthy if the senders address is shown as user3168(a)suspiciousdomain.gg instead of it being manipulated to say support(a)yourprovider.com.

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Unable to get Postfix to bounce messages to non-existent lists
by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie Feb. 21, 2024

Feb. 21, 2024

We have Mailman working well in our environment, but there's one thing I can't seem to make happen no matter what I try. The situation is as follows: Postfix runs on on a different server than Mailman. Its main.cf says local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps transport_maps = regexp:/var/mailman-data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/var/mailman-data/postfix_domains The file postfix_lmtp is initially generated by Mailman (running on a different machine). A background process creates a version of the file wherein the lmtp IP address is changed to the network IP of the Mailman server, and that version is sync'd over to the Postfix server. On the latter, a typical block for a list then reads as follows (where A.B.C.D is the IP address of the Mailman server): /^some-list(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-bounces(\+.*)?(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-confirm(\+.*)?(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-join(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-leave(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-owner(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-request(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-subscribe(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-unsubscribe(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 The only problem with this is that if someone sends a message to a non-existent mailing list, Postfix nevertheless accepts the mail, and it loiters in the queue for several days before eventually being bounced back to the sender. I want to get Postfix to reject mail to non-existent mailing lists immediately. I've come up short with each variation of main.cf settings I've tried, and would greatly appreciate any advice. Many thanks Stephen Kenny

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Hyperkitty is not archiving due to 405 error - GET instead of POST
by Matthias Feb. 15, 2024

Feb. 15, 2024

Hi there, I am running mailman3 on Debian 12 - latest package (GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer)). Message handling in general is working fine, but as soon as a message is released, archiving with Hyperkitty is not working, due to a 405 error: --- Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) HyperKitty failure on http://lists.domain.tld/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: (405) Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) Could not archive the message with id <170766472771.3479669.4791049109141956450(a)otherdomain.tld> Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list jahrgang.domain.tld, message <170766472771.3479669.4791049109141956450(a)otherdomain.tld>) Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 158, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 228, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError --- When tracing this back, even the frontend Nginx server receives a get in his logs, hence I assume that hyperkitty is really creating a GET instead of a POST request? --- 217.72.204.162 - - [11/Feb/2024:16:18:48 +0100] "GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive HTTP/1.1" 405 0 "-" "python-requests/2.28.1" --- Any idea how to trace this down any further? Any help is really appreciated! Thanks, Matthias

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Retrieve users from a list
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat Feb. 11, 2024

Feb. 11, 2024

A moderator has deleted all the users from a list, is there a way to recover them?

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add / remove / set moderation bit of non-members via mailman shell
by Zaheer Abbas Feb. 9, 2024

Feb. 9, 2024

I have a situation where I need to add / remove 10-20 non-members to a particular list every week and set the moderation bit to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules). I do the above via postorius because I couldn't find a way to do this via mailman shell. Can anyone help me please to achieve the above? I know how to remove all non-members via /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com for nonmember in m.nonmembers.members: ... nonmember.unsubscribe() ... commit() I am just having difficulties adding the non-members and setting the moderation bit to 'Accept' Currently I am using Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) and Postorius Version 1.2.4 so cant use 'postorius => settings -> message acceptance -> id_accept_these_nonmembers' -- Regards, Zaheer

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Problems with mailman core translation and other details
by celi＠dieese.org.br Feb. 9, 2024

Feb. 9, 2024

Hi. We did a fresh install of the Debian Mailman 3 full package. I'd like all components to be translated into pt_BR. I downloaded the latest updated translations from weblate, which says that 100% of the project (all components) are translated. I checked and recompiled mailman.po with msgfmt without errors. I followed all instructions I saw, included the ones from the topic How to change the language in mailman3 in this list. Everything almost OK, except from the fact that none of mailman's core email messages are being translated, even though mailman.po shows the right messages. Also, strange things happen to these .po files. The web interface is almost perfect, but some messages (just some) are not correct - although the corresponding django.po appears to be OK. It´s the case below: the pair msgid/msgstr seems to be OK, but this particular sentence is not being translated. #: templates/postorius/lists/summary.html:88 #, python-format msgid "" "\n" " To subscribe you can send an email with 'subscribe' in the " "subject to\n" " <a href=\"mailto:%(address)s?subject=Subscribe\">" "%(address)s</a>\n" " or use the form below:\n" " " msgstr "" "\n" " Para se inscrever você pode enviar um e-mail com o assunto " "'subscribe' para\n" " <a href=\"mailto:%(address)s?subject=Subscribe\">" "%(address)s</a>\n" " ou use o formulário abaixo:\n" What am I doing wrong? Or what can I do to make things suitable? Additional info: GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] Postorius v. 1.3.4 HyperKitty v. 1.3.4 Thanx for any help

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Hiding an ML from a site
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 8, 2024

Feb. 8, 2024

I host two MLs on the same server/same MM3 instance. Under the Django Admin interface, I created two sites. I expected that each ML will belong to its own site and should not be visible on another site. On https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mm/lists/, you can see the two lists. How do I stop the "Users" list from showing up on this site ( https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mm/lists/) since it belongs to its own site - https://exim4u.org/mm/lists/ ? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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search this list searches more then just this list
by Marco van Tol Feb. 6, 2024

Feb. 6, 2024

Hi there, We run the following versions: mailman-core: 3.3.9 mailman-core-api: 3.1 mailman-core-python: 3.11.6 hyperkitty: 1.3.8 We have several lists on our server, I will write down a list of example list names that are good enough for the purpose of my question. xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:xx@domain.tld> yy-xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:yy-xx@domain.tld> zz-xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:zz-xx@domain.tld> When I now visit the archives for xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:xx@domain.tld> and enter a search phrase in “search this list”, the results include the other 2 lists. It looks like “search this list” searches for keyword in any listname that matches the one from "this list". Is there a way to really only search “this list” when I go to the archives for xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:xx@domain.tld>? I have tried to change the url for the results to have a ‘^’ in front of the listname, but that gives an error :-) Thanks in advance! Marco van Tol

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Disable all mail capabilities
by Hope Less Feb. 2, 2024

Feb. 2, 2024

I have a decades old list that was abandoned on my server. I upgraded it to mailman3 but it never came back to life. It is causing me some grief. I want to keep the archives up but totally disable any mail capabilities. I have turned off mail for the domain but I still get 'crap' that tries to relay. I've manually tried to remove stuff from the transport tables in Postfix but I still get mail. I'm not sure where the problem lies. If I can't stop this I'll have to remove the list entirely which includes the archives. I really wish to leave the archives up. Any idea on how I can remove the mail capabilities and leave the rest? Thank You.

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after upgrade: OperationalError: no such column: hyperkitty_mailinglist.archive_rendering_mode
by Hans Mayer Jan. 31, 2024

Jan. 31, 2024

Dear All, recently I did a system os upgrade debian 11.8 -> 12.4 / bullseye -> bookworm This did also upgrade Mailman3 version 3.3.3 -> 3.3.8 as a used the packages which came with Debian OS. Initially after the upgrade I had some troubles with the MM3 services to start, but I fixed this. Now almost everything is running. Only the Archives are not working. The browser shows a server error, when I look at the mailman-web.log I see ERROR 2024-01-31 15:14:14,403 2699563 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 423, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) sqlite3.OperationalError: no such column: hyperkitty_mailinglist.archive_rendering_mode When I check the schema I find such a column in table "mailinglist" I assume there is only one solution, to uninstall and delete everything and start from scratch. Or is there a way the check all tables with a script and do an table update for missing columns ? Or a partial installation of hyperkitty, as I don't care about the archives. I am using sqlite3 as DB backend. Kind regards Hans --

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transport map (postfix_lmtp) does not update - new lists not working
by Nils Jan. 29, 2024

Jan. 29, 2024

End of last year, I've re-installed mailman3 using the virtualenv installation method on ubuntu 20.04. Since then, the transport map (/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp) has not been updated even though, new mailing lists were created. The old mailing lists, that existed before the re-installation work perfectly fine but those created after are not accessible. Because the entries for those new lists are missing in the transport map, postfix replies with a "mail for ... loops back to myself" error. I'm quite sure, that I did all the steps in the documentation (except that I use a slightly different apache2 vhost configuration). I double checked on the cronjobs. crontab -u mailman -e @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman notify * * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs minutely 0,15,30,45 * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs quarter_hourly @hourly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs hourly @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily @weekly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs weekly @monthly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs monthly @yearly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs yearly Any idea, what I could have missed??? Kind regards, Nils

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Fresh installation mailman3-suite via "pipx" - any experiences yet?
by Wikinaut Jan. 27, 2024

Jan. 27, 2024

I recently found the "pipx" wrapper very useful and wanted to ask you if this could be facilitate the fresh installation of the mailman3-suite. Has anyone in the list already experiences installing mailman and mailmanweg through "pipx"? Here are my general tipps for using pipx # https://pipx.pypa.io/stable/installation/#on-linux sudo apt install pipx python3-venv To install a package systemwide for all users, I recommend the tip from https://github.com/pypa/pipx/issues/754#issuecomment-951162846 . sudo PIPX_HOME=/opt/pipx PIPX_BIN_DIR=/usr/local/bin pipx install <package>

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Single Click Unsubscribe
by J D Jan. 26, 2024

Jan. 26, 2024

I know this has been discussed in the past: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… However, Google has recently announced that they will be enforcing one-click unsubscribe for bulk senders: https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/03/gmail-to-enforce-harsher-rules-in-2024-to… Thoughts?

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mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 24, 2024

Jan. 24, 2024

Running an install on Debian12 VM. Getting a new error message that I haven't seen previously: (venv) mailman@debian12:~$ mailman-web compress Compressing... Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html: Invalid block tag on line 7: 'element', expected 'endblock'. Did you forget to register or load this tag? Invalid template account/verified_email_required.html: Invalid block tag on line 7: 'element', expected 'endblock'. Did you forget to register or load this tag? Error parsing template socialaccount/signup.html: socialaccount/base.html done Compressed 2 block(s) from 78 template(s) for 1 context(s). -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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share directories between postfix and mailman 3
by Thomas Schachtner Jan. 24, 2024

Jan. 24, 2024

Hi there, I think I have (finally) set up a working instance of mailman 3 on a host separate from the companion postfix mail server actually sending out the mails. One server (postfix) is directly in the internet and the other one is in an internal network not directly reachable from the internet (but connected using a reverse proxy). The services on the hosts are available to one another (i. e. the postfix server is reachable using 127.0.0.1:25 from mailman and mailman is reachable using 127.0.0.1:8024 from postfix using a permanent ssh tunnel betwenn the two hosts). I think that this solution could work quite reliably... (at least I hope so.) But that's not the full deal. Postfix needs access to some hashed configuration files containing the transport maps and the domains of the mailman installation, and mailman needs the contents of the postfix configuration file. As a quick and dirty solution, I've established a process which periodically copies the /var/lib/mailman3 directory from the mailman box to the postfix box using rsync. But I would like to have a more professional solution, like a directly shared directory between both. I did not yet find any suggestions on how to achieve this. Are there any best practices recommendations? I already tried sharing the directories using sshfs, but that did not work. I connected the remote directory postfix.example.com:/var/lib/mailman3 to my local directory /var/lib/mailman3 using sshfs root@postfix.example.com:/var/lib/mailman3 /var/lib/mailman3 This seemed to work pretty fine, as all files and directories seemed to be available, but when starting mailman 3, the following error message was shown: FileExistsError: A race condition might have happened. /var/lib/mailman3 actually exists and is not a directory. Any idea why this message is shown? So, is it a bad idea to use sshfs? Do I have to install an NFS server? But I am not sure if sharing directories using NFS across the Internet is a good idea... Any suggestions? Best regards Tom

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Re: Process on migrating mailman
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 24, 2024

Jan. 24, 2024

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 4:22 AM Mark Labeste <marqueejen13(a)gmail.com> wrote: > About 500 list. Not sure how to check size of the archives. > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 4:44 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mark Labeste <marqueejen13(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Any suggestion on how to migrate mailing list and archirve with >>> diffirent server and domain. For the mailing list from >>> sample.domain1.example.com to sample.domain2.example.com >>> >>> Old Mailing list >>> Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.5 (Tom Sawyer) >>> Mailman Core API Version 3.1 >>> Mailman Core Python Version 3.6.8 (default, Sep 26 2019, 11:57:09) >>> [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-39)] >>> Domain Domain1.example.com >>> >>> New Mailing list >>> Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) >>> Mailman Core API Version 3.1 >>> Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.18 (main, Sep 22 2023, 17:58:34) >>> [GCC 8.5.0 20210514 (Red Hat 8.5.0-20)] >>> Domain domain2.example.com >> >> >> >> How many lists? How big are the archives? >> >> Looking at >> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…, >> it seems like it's not a trivial exercise. >> >> However, I am wondering about the consequences of: >> 1. dumping the DBs and doing 's/DOMAIN1/DOMAIN2/g' in the dumps, then >> re-importing >> 2. editing settings.py and webserver config to reflect the DOMAIN2 >> 3. reconfiguring your MTA to handle list mails using the DOMAIN2 >> >> I am imagining a virtualenv type of installation. >> > The archives are in the database so nothing to worry about, Now that I think about this again, after dumping and importing the database as shown above, you need to rerun the 'mailman-web migrate` once again to import any DB schema changes between the versions. Actually, just run all the options from https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… . -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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log rotation for bounce.log
by Quanah Gibson-Mount Jan. 22, 2024

Jan. 22, 2024

I noticed that our smtp.log and bounce.log files haven't been rotated in years. I see the reason for smtp.log not being rotated is due to <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/931>. Does this same issue affect bounce.log or is it safe to rotate similar to mailman.log?

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Extract a list of the lists and the administrators who manage it
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat Jan. 22, 2024

Jan. 22, 2024

Hello, Is there a way to extract all the lists and show the administrators who manage those lists? Thanks!

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emails to list missing from archive after upgrade
by Quanah Gibson-Mount Jan. 19, 2024

Jan. 19, 2024

So next issue post upgrade: I sent three emails to one of the lists today. All of them went to the list, as I got copies of each one, and the headers clearly show them coming from the list. However, when I go look at the archives for the list, they don't show up at all. And it's been over 8 hours since I sent them. --Quanah

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Delivery to mail@domain.tld failed with code 444, [Errno 111] Connection refused
by christopher.claus＠tgcamberg1848.de Jan. 19, 2024

Jan. 19, 2024

Hi together, I´m using Mailman3.3.9 and postfix in docker containers seperatly. Everything worked fine since this afternoon. The error occurs, after postfix transports an incoming mail to mailman. After processing the mail, sending to all recepients failed >> Delivery to mail(a)domain.tld failed with code 444, [Errno 111] Connection refused I checked the configuration of postfix and added a wide IP-range to mynetworks: postfix-main.cf mynetworks = mailman-core tgc_mailman_core t 127.0.0.0/8 [::1]/128 [fe80::]/64 172.18.0.0/16 172.21.0.0/16 [2001:8d8:1800:283]/64 172.0.0.0/24 relay_domains = $mydestination #smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_unknown_sender_domain,reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_unknown_sender_domain smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject_unauth_destination smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/filtered_domains permit_mynetworks reject_unauth_destination smtpd_data_restrictions = reject_unauth_pipelining Does anyone have a clue for me as to why delivery to Postfix is failing? My last change a couple of days ago was adding an public ipv6-address to the host. But docker still works without IPv6. I thought about client-identification issues between maiolman-core and postfix but did noch find anything to fix ... Best regards, Christopher

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moving list from mm3 -> mm3
by Jens Günther Jan. 19, 2024

Jan. 19, 2024

Hey there, I'm still trying to figure out, how to move a bunch of lists from one mm3-instance to another. If somebody has a working solution, I would be really glad to hear from it. I came across this thread, but I don't think it tackles my question: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… (or maybe I missed the right parts) We have equal setups and versions: - maxxking docker install 0.4.5 - Core 3.3.8 - API 3.1 - Postorius 1.3.8 ## Config So I found the possibility to get the config of a list via REST-API: curl -u restadmin:restpass localhost:8001/3.1/lists/$short.$domain/config | jq > short.domain This is a nice collection of the configuration of a certain list. Does anybody know how I would get this data back to the newly created list in the second working mm3-instance? Shouldn't it be possible via POST command? I thought of something like: curl -u restadmin:restpass -d @short.domain -H "Content-Type: application/json" localhost:8001/3.1/lists/&short.&domain/config But it returns {"title": "405 Method Not Allowed"} and I don't know where to look in the docs, since it shows almost always a way through mailman shell. Here I found something about POST: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… -> but how would it work exactly? ## Members, moderators, owners To export all members I normally run within mm-core-container as user mailman the following command: mailman members &short.&domain > &short.txt To fill them back in, it can be done in Postorius (or is there a way through API?). What I would love to know is how to get out Owners of the corresponding lists and reimport them in the new one (which will be the same at the end :-D but different instance). ## registered users This part is somehow tricky, since I have no clue how to do it. Some of the mailinglist-admins don't want to bother their list-owners again with registering newly on the other system. Is there a way to export all users (I think I found them in the DB in the table auth_users, somehow in combination with account_emailaddress) and get them over to the new instance (actually I just need part of them, but that's another question that I might solve lateron on my own). Maybe the answer is already here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… -> but can somebody help to get this working (import/export)? Thank you in advance, I hope it's not too much or too nooby :-) Jens.

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All users getting disabled after upgrade of mailman3
by Quanah Gibson-Mount Jan. 19, 2024

Jan. 19, 2024

Hello, We just upgraded our mailman to the latest provided from Debian bookworm (I know, not the recommended installation method). Now everyone's having their addresses disabled due to "bounce" errors. This is odd, because I'm disabled, even though I received the 2 emails I sent to the list today (and that's the only list traffic today). I used the mailman shell command from <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> to see who has been disabled. I had to make one fix to it, it should be m.list_name not mlist.list_name. Confirmed that dozens of valid users have had their sub disabled. In the logs I see: Jan 18 19:25:17 2024 (952) Member quanah(a)fast-mail.org on list openldap-technical.openldap.org, bounce score = 1. Jan 18 19:37:11 2024 (952) Member quanah(a)fast-mail.org on list openldap-technical.openldap.org, bounce score = 2. Jan 18 19:37:11 2024 (952) Disabling delivery for quanah(a)fast-mail.org on list openldap-technical.openldap.org by bounce Jan 18 19:37:11 2024 (952) Member quanah(a)fast-mail.org on list openldap-technical.openldap.org, bounce score 2 >= threshold 2, disabling delivery. Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) handling connection Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Data: b'LHLO hypatia.openldap.org' Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<openldap-commit-bounces(a)openldap.org>' Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) sender: openldap-commit-bounces(a)openldap.org Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Data: b'RCPT TO:<openldap-commit-owner(a)openldap.org>' Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) recip: openldap-commit-owner(a)openldap.org Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Data: b'DATA' Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Data: b'QUIT' Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) connection lost Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) Connection lost during _handle_client() Jan 18 10:05:45 2024 (940) <170557233590.937.7274928299237969540(a)hypatia.openldap.org> post to openldap-commit(a)openldap.org from openldap-commit-owner(a)openldap.org, 20265 bytes Jan 18 10:42:20 2024 (803) <170557453971.798.17359529178123532376(a)hypatia.openldap.org> low level smtp error: [Errno 111] Connection refused Jan 18 10:42:20 2024 (803) <170557453971.798.17359529178123532376(a)hypatia.openldap.org> delivery to quanah(a)openldap.org failed with code 444, [Errno 111] Connection refused But... postfix is working fine, and I've had hundreds of emails generated *by* mailman about it disabling people due to bounces. Thoughts on how to proceed appreciated. Regards, Quanah

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Splitting hosts: mta&core vs postorius
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Jan. 18, 2024

Jan. 18, 2024

I'm trying to set up mailman3 on two hosts, one of which runs core + exim, the other runs postorius (&possibly hyperkitty). I have I think got core set up correctly, and postorius is sort of usable, but anything in the web ui that talks to core ends up with a white screen. I think what is happening is a postorius URL ends up with the core (or perhaps no) hostname, and as there's nothing there to answer it fails. I've checked the settings and I don't think I have misconfigured postorius. Is it possible that the bad url is being passed from core to postorius in some way and reused without changing the host? In the config at present, both hosts are visible to the browser, and each host can communicate with the other. Any ideas on how to pin down the problem better? Ruth

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Process on migrating mailman
by Mark Labeste Jan. 18, 2024

Jan. 18, 2024

Any suggestion on how to migrate mailing list and archirve with diffirent server and domain. For the mailing list from sample.domain1.example.com to sample.domain2.example.com Old Mailing list Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.5 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.6.8 (default, Sep 26 2019, 11:57:09) [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-39)] Domain Domain1.example.com New Mailing list Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.18 (main, Sep 22 2023, 17:58:34) [GCC 8.5.0 20210514 (Red Hat 8.5.0-20)] Domain domain2.example.com

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how to migrate mailing lists to a new domain using mailman 3
by C. Souza Jan. 18, 2024

Jan. 18, 2024

In a few days my current domain will be disabled (it is out of my control) and I would like to know how to migrate the mailing lists to the new domain name. As a solution I added a new domain in mailman 3 and created a script that replicates the lists in this new domain. To forward the emails received by the old lists, the script removes the members and adds the email of the new list. Is there a fashionable way to do that? Also, one problem that I don't have a solution is the archive of the old lists. How to bring them to the new ones? Thanks for your help. My mailing list server is running on a CenOS-7x with postgreSQL and the following mailman packages: Package Version ------------------- ---------- 1 aiosmtpd 1.2.4 2 alembic 1.5.3 3 arrow 0.17.0 4 asgiref 3.3.1 5 atpublic 2.1.2 6 authheaders 0.13.0 7 authres 1.2.0 8 bleach 3.3.0 9 blessed 1.17.12 10 certifi 2020.12.5 11 cffi 1.14.4 12 chardet 4.0.0 13 click 7.1.2 14 cmarkgfm 0.5.2 15 cryptography 3.3.1 16 decorator 4.4.2 17 defusedxml 0.6.0 18 Django 3.0.12 19 django-allauth 0.44.0 20 django-appconf 1.0.4 21 django-compressor 2.4 22 django-extensions 3.1.0 23 django-gravatar2 1.4.4 24 django-haystack 3.0 25 django-mailman3 1.3.5 26 django-picklefield 3.0.1 27 django-q 1.3.4 28 djangorestframework 3.12.2 29 dkimpy 1.0.5 30 dnspython 2.1.0 31 docutils 0.16 32 falcon 2.0.0 33 flufl.bounce 3.0.1 34 flufl.i18n 2.0.2 35 flufl.lock 3.2 36 gunicorn 20.0.4 37 HyperKitty 1.3.3 38 idna 2.10 39 importlib-resources 5.1.0 40 lazr.config 2.2.3 41 lazr.delegates 2.0.4 42 mailman 3.3.2 43 mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 44 mailman-web 0.0.3 45 mailmanclient 3.3.2 46 Mako 1.1.4 47 MarkupSafe 1.1.1 48 networkx 2.5 49 nose 1.3.7 50 oauthlib 3.1.0 51 packaging 20.9 52 passlib 1.7.4 53 pip 21.0.1 54 postorius 1.3.3 55 psycopg2-binary 2.8.6 56 publicsuffix2 2.20191221 57 pycparser 2.20 58 Pygments 2.7.4 59 PyJWT 2.0.1 60 pyparsing 2.4.7 61 python-dateutil 2.8.1 62 python-editor 1.0.4 63 python3-openid 3.2.0 64 pytz 2021.1 65 rcssmin 1.0.6 66 readme-renderer 28.0 67 requests 2.25.1 68 requests-oauthlib 1.3.0 69 rjsmin 1.1.0 70 robot-detection 0.4 71 setuptools 39.2.0 72 six 1.15.0 73 SQLAlchemy 1.3.23 74 sqlparse 0.4.1 75 typing-extensions 3.7.4.3 76 urllib3 1.26.3 77 uWSGI 2.0.19.1 78 wcwidth 0.2.5 79 webencodings 0.5.1 80 wheel 0.36.2 81 Whoosh 2.7.4 82 zipp 3.4.0 83 zope.component 4.6.2 84 zope.configuration 4.4.0 85 zope.deferredimport 4.3.1 86 zope.deprecation 4.4.0 87 zope.event 4.5.0 88 zope.hookable 5.0.1 89 zope.i18nmessageid 5.0.1 90 zope.interface 5.2.0 91 zope.proxy 4.3.5 92 zope.schema 6.0.1 -- Carlos Souza

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Postorius and some CSS issue?
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 12, 2024

Jan. 12, 2024

Happy New Year to you too all. MM3 installed today using the virtualenv method. On my testbench, I am having this strange issue where the Postorius is not displaying correctly perhaps because of some CSS issue - or just my own hangovers! I have used the standard method as documented. The error I get: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dhvsHFG4jH/ -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Loops back to myself
by David Krantz Jan. 12, 2024

Jan. 12, 2024

Hi, I have a problem with my Mailman 3-setup. The symptom is that postfix rejects non-existing addresses for my list domains with <adr(a)example.com>: mail for example.com loops back to myself What I guess happens happens is that postfix for some reason accepts the mail as it is for a relay domain and finds that it is not deliverable locally as the address does not exist locally and then tries to relay it on to the appropriate MX server, which is itself and then fails and generates a bounce message. This is a bit annoying as I have set up postfix to only accept valid addresses. I have set the transport_maps, local_recipient_maps and relay_domains to the files generated by MM3. I run an older version of MM3 (3.0) but prefer to fix this without upgrading as upgrading is a relatively big undertaking. This is mostly a backscatter problem for spam I guess. Any ideas of very simple and easy to forget things that I've probably missed? Cheers // David

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Review requested for some merge requests
by Stephen J. Turnbull Jan. 10, 2024

Jan. 10, 2024

Reply-To set to Mailman Developers. Please check that your replies go there. Or you can comment on MRs directly if you have a GitLab login. I have three merge requests pending: [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1159 [2] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1160 [3] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1161 [1] fixes the logging initialization bug that prevented the `smtp` log from rotating properly, and maybe some others. I don't think it needs user review because it's a pure bugfix, but if you're curious and take a look, and you think it needs better documentation let me know. [2] adds a configuration variable `lmtp_max_size`. This is user-visible, so review of the documentation in docs/mta.rst and config/mailman.cfg for clarity and readability would be appreciated. [3] adds postfix-pgsql support for use of the PostgreSQL database to route Mailman traffic. It's really most useful in an edge case (migration of 10,000+ list Mailman 2 instances), but it's theoretically attractive on the principle of "single source of truth", and possibly for implementing a "microservices" style cloud instance (it eliminates the need for Mailman and Postfix to share a file system). Besides opinions on the value of the general idea I have two specific questions: - Postfix docs recommend not looking up domains in the database to reduce load on the database server. But on a dedicated Mailman system, you're going to be looking up pretty much everything twice anyway (once to check for local recipient and once to fetch the transport), and my experience so far is that this isn't a big load on Postgres, and it's not a drag on list traffic distribution. Should I implement domain lookup in Postgres? Should it be optional if the lists are being looked up in Postgres? - The current patch completely disables generation of the postfix_lmtp alias file, even for the `mailman aliases` command. Should I implement an option to force generation of the files for documentation (and maybe a backup in a very rare and contorted situation where Mailman can see Postgres but Postfix can't)? Thanks, Steve

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Mailman 3 Core user assistance
by Tony Deshields Jan. 10, 2024

Jan. 10, 2024

I currently have a docker mailman stack that utilizes Django LDAP backend for authentication. I have my users attributes mapped as you see below in my settings.py file. Whenever a user logs into postorius with their 'uid', mailman-core uses their 'uid' as their email address instead of the 'email' attribute. Is there anyway to change this functionality? I would like my users to be able to login with their enterprise uid but be mapped to their email but I feel like there is a disconnect between Django and MM3 core. Any assistance is much appreciated. AUTH_LDAP_USER_ATTR_MAP = { "uid" : "userPrincipalName", "first_name": "givenName", "last_name": "sn", "email" : "mail", }

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Docker mailman image can't access https://publicsuffix.org/
by bob B Jan. 9, 2024

Jan. 9, 2024

Thanks so it looks like Mailman can not get to publicsuffix. The wrinkle is I am running maxking's docker version. The host can get there, but not from the docker image. Any idea to to configure that? and this only comes into play when I set the dmarc settings.

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The 'flufl.lock>=5.1' distribution was not found, but flufl.lock 8.0.2 was installed
by Nils Jan. 8, 2024

Jan. 8, 2024

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The doubled entries issue
by Lars Bjørndal Jan. 7, 2024

Jan. 7, 2024

I've got the problem Multiple rows were found when one or none was required. I found the issue and a script here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/657 I did su - mailman3 and ran: python scriptname.py and got: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman3/fix-doubled-entries.py", line 21, in <module> listmgr = get_list_manager() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman3/fix-doubled-entries.py", line 6, in get_list_manager return getUtility(IListManager) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py ", line 180, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) zope.interface.interfaces.ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass mailman.interfa ces.listmanager.IListManager>, '') (venv) 1[mailman3@dalen ~]$ Do I miss something? How can I fix the problem? Thanks, Lars

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Archive import fails: "IndexError: list index out of range"
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 6, 2024

Jan. 6, 2024

I am now importing the archives of my old mailman2 installation. Unfortunately, with some of the larger and older lists, import fails halfway through, with an exception, the last message of which is IndexError: list index out of range Below is an example. This means that the last few years are missing from the archive in several lists. Are there any suggestions what I could do to still get them importet? Thanks! Johannes File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2069, in get_msg_id token, value = get_dot_atom_text(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1334, in get_dot_atom_text raise errors.HeaderParseError("expected atom at a start of " email.errors.HeaderParseError: expected atom at a start of dot-atom-text but found '@localhost>' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 37, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 402, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 448, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 387, in handle importer.from_mbox(mbfile, report_name) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 212, in from_mbox progress_marker.tick(unquote(message.get("message-id", 'n/a'))) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/message.py", line 471, in get return self.policy.header_fetch_parse(k, v) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/policy.py", line 163, in header_fetch_parse return self.header_factory(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 607, in __call__ return self[name](name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 202, in __new__ cls.parse(value, kwds) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 535, in parse kwds['parse_tree'] = parse_tree = cls.value_parser(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2126, in parse_message_id token, value = get_msg_id(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2073, in get_msg_id token, value = get_obs_local_part(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1516, in get_obs_local_part if (obs_local_part[0].token_type == 'dot' or IndexError: list index out of range

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Not receiving email from outlook or gmail.
by Mark Labeste Jan. 5, 2024

Jan. 5, 2024

From mailman web it was able to deliver the email to outlook and gmail but when replying or confirming subcription it can't reach the mailman. This error is bounce back from outlook. Server at destination.email.com (192.10.10.10) returned '400 4.4.7 Message delayed' 1/4/2024 12:16:13 PM - Server at destination.email.com (192.10.10.10) returned '451 4.4.397 Error communicating with target host. -> 421 4.2.1 Unable to connect -> SocketTimedout: Socket error code 10060 Thanks, mARK

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Programmatically modify Thread-Topic *before* message is sent out the door?
by Thomas Ward Jan. 3, 2024

Jan. 3, 2024

We use a custom plugin to do numeric thread stamping, which has been working well in the code system. However, it was discovered by Microsoft that Microsoft Outlook and OWA prioritize the Thread-Topic header over the Subject header, which results in the oddness we've experienced in MS365 clients in testing. During our tasks though a custom handler goes through during the pipeline and modifies the Subject field accordingly, adding a thread tag to it. While this is 'fragile' it does work; the only problem is that Thread-Topic doesn't get altered. Programmatically, how would we alter the Thread-Topic during the handler's processing to prepend the corresponding prefix/tag so that when the message actually goes out the door it is properly sending with the modified Thread-Topic? Thomas

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REST API for list owners/moderators
by mathias＠koerber.org Jan. 3, 2024

Jan. 3, 2024

Does Mailman 3 have an REST API that allows list-owners/moderators to perform list-management functions without having access to the whole server/other lists etc? ie, an API that uses the same credentials as Postorious but allows mass-subscription/un-subscription/membership-export etc and changes to list settings, membership settings (mod etc) via REST or python? The documentation seems to only indicate a single one-admin-user REST API that should not even be accessible from outside?

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