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Re: Python is updated
by Mark London May 6, 2023

May 6, 2023

Because of my own personal horror stories of waking up to finding high priority linux servers broken, due to nightly automated updates, I now prevent automatic updates on my servers. I only do manual security updates. In addition to implementing modern security techniques for our network. That is just my personal belief system. It's worked for the past 25 years. The only time we ever got hacked, was because of some stupid php scripts that our developers had put online, or because people's passwords had become leaked. And some of those situations were nightmares also. In two case of which, happened while I was away on vacation, and I had to fix everything remotely. But that was never due to updates. I probably shouldn't express my opinion. But I have a lot of empathy for the guy who discovered his mailman broken due to upgraded Python. Which triggered my nightmares. But it's great though to have a very responsive community here, to bring people back from the dead. - Mark

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Default Setting for 'Results per Page' and other Web Pull-downs
by Dave Hall May 5, 2023

May 5, 2023

Hello. For the past several months I've been in the process of migrating from Mailman2 to Mailman3 (along with many other tasks). I've just started to use the web interface heavily as I am finally doing the full migration of all my 2.1 lists. Before I ask my question, I am currently running Debian 10 which supplies mailman-3.2.1 and mailman-web 0+20180916, which are definitely old at this point. Although I will soon move to Debian 11, I am still constrained to stick to Debian packages. So if this has been fixed or enhanced in a future version I'm sorry for asking an old question. My question: when I go to any page that has a list (of lists, of members, or archives), there are pulldowns like 'Results per page' that seem to reset to the minimum number when I refresh the page. There are others like 'Hide inactive' on the Archives page. What I'm looking for is a per-user way to customize these values so I don't have to keep on setting them to the value I prefer. If that is available in a later release then I have something to look forward to. If not, it sure would be nice to have. Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University kdhall(a)binghamton.edu

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Amazon SES, Message-ID, and mailman
by Sam Darwin May 5, 2023

May 5, 2023

Hi, We are running a mailman 2 mailing list, soon to upgrade to mailman 3. We recently switch the mail gateway from mailgun to Amazon SES. There's a new problem that the mailman 2 archives are not able to group threads together the way they were before. Moreover, end users have their own mail clients that display the list messages, and they are complaining about issues in their local mail clients. It seems to be related to the mail header fields Message-ID: , References: , and In-Reply-To: . Amazon SES rewrites the Message-ID. Therefore, it won't match the original Message-ID, and so the second reply email won't matched with the first email in a web archive display. Additionally, email replies are often sent both to the list and to individual participants, and so it's important that both of these copies have the identical message id. Has anyone else used Amazon SES as a mail gateway, and did you have success with it? Does this interpretation of the problem seem reasonable? Would it make sense to briefly discuss "Amazon SES" in an FAQ section of the mailman documentation? Thanks, Sam

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Change delivery_status of a member by using the rest api
by Michael Schaarschmidt May 4, 2023

May 4, 2023

Hello, I would like to set or change the delivery_status of a list member by using the rest api. The curl request looks like curl \ -X PATCH \ -H "Content-Type: application/json“ \ -H "Accept: application/json“ \ -u restadmin:secret_password \ -d "@./foo_patch.json“ \ "http://127.0.0.1:8001/3.1/members/ebcdd09bb8d84758a135c3449023701e“ With the json-file: { „delivery_status“: „by_user“ } I get an error message: {"title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Unexpected parameters: delivery_status“} Is there a way to change the attribute `delivery_status` of an existing member by using the rest api? Cheers, Michael Schaarschmidt ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Postorius install - missing python modules
by Marco F May 3, 2023

May 3, 2023

Hello, On AlmaLinux 8.7, after Configuring Mailman and Setting up my database (postgres), and hooking up my mailserver (Exim), the instructions proceed to Set up Postorius: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/setup.html I've tried `pip install postorius`, as well as the latest version, cloning and `pip install -e .`. I've tried with multiple python versions, all with the results: ModuleNotFoundError. Here's highlights of one example: ``` dnf update -y dnf upgrade -y dnf install -y python39 alternatives --config python3 » python3 -V Python 3.9.13 pip3 install postorius git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius.git cd postorius pip3 install -e . cd example_project ~/postorius/example_project (master)» » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'debug_toolbar' » pip3 install debug_toolbar ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement debug_toolbar (from versions: none) ERROR: No matching distribution found for debug_toolbar » pip3 install django-debug-toolbar ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel' » pip3 install requests_panel ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel' » pip3 install django-requests-panel ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel.panel' # I tried a bunch of different modules, none resolved the error, finally tried this & it did: » cd $( dirname $( locate requests_panel/panels.py ) ) && cp -pv panels.py panel.py » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_wrapper' » pip3 install requests_wrapper ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ImportError: cannot import name '_total_seconds' from 'requests_wrapper' (/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/requests_wrapper/__init__.py) ```

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looking for more detailed traceback for shunted message
by bob B May 3, 2023

May 3, 2023

Had a message get shunted in /opt/mailman/core/var/queue/shunt/. *** but that is the location in the docker environment, which we are running. The mailman log shows: Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 2e0e82a5-0924-1777-bed8-34862417fe7e@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 1198-1200: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) SHUNTING: 1682514596.7976818+6067e5ddeb70e4aad97977071b5ed00c41999057 Apr 26 13:10:14 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 367fa8b7-97ac-58b3-fb99-458dbb951f5d@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:10:14 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 367fa8b7-97ac-58b3-fb99-458dbb951f5d@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 1198-1200: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) SHUNTING: 1682514616.5346222+7292ba8b651bc1bd76a9098733a39090e092add2 Is there anyway to get more info, Is there a more detailed traceback somewhere?

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Python is updated
by Lars Bjørndal April 29, 2023

April 29, 2023

Hi, list! As the machine I'm running Mailman on now is upgraded from Fedora 36 to 37, the Python version is upgraded from 3.10 to 3.11. How do I update Mailman in the virutal environment? Thanks, Lars

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How to see the admin password reset in docker with mailman3
by bob B April 27, 2023

April 27, 2023

I am setting up a new environment of Mailman3 in docker. I understand I have to reset the password to set the password for admin. I go to forget the password, in the GUI and I put in the address I have listed in the docker-compose.yaml and I never get the email. I look at the mail log on the host and I do not see the smtp connections. I assume Django is not using the docker host but sending the mail directly?? Basically, where can I see the password email rest mail logs to make sure an email was sent out and where it is going?

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If I manually add email addresses to a list and then delete them, how do i permanent delete them from Users?
by Mark London April 25, 2023

April 25, 2023

I added some email addresses manually to a mailing list and then removed them. But now I can't find how to totally remove them from mailman3. They show up in the Users list. When I go to the Django interface, I don't see them listed in any selection. I thought they would show up under Emails in Hyperkitty, but they are not there. Oddly, somehow I've managed to create multiple duplicates of the same address, under Emails. Figure that one out! Thanks. - Mark 21 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:54 a.m. [Mark] afasdfa mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 20 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:44 a.m. [Mark] Re: tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 19 london(a)mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:31 a.m. [Mark] tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 18 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:28 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 17 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:27 a.m. [Mark] tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 16 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:22 a.m. [Mark] Re: foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 15 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:21 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 14 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 2:05 a.m. [Mark] ;jklj mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 13 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:53 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 12 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:52 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 11 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:51 a.m. [Mark] Re: test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 10 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:42 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 9 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:38 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 8 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:40 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 7 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:33 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 6 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:32 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 5 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:21 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 4 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:20 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 3 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:11 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 2 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:14 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 1 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:22 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu

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Configuring sendmail without virtualtable? Is this possible?
by Mark London April 25, 2023

April 25, 2023

I'm presently running mailman 2 on an email server, which all use @psfc.mit.edu addresses. And which uses /etc/aliases. The directions for configuring sendmail for mailman 3, specify using virtusertable. I want my new email server to also host mailman 3 on ubuntu. Is it still possible to use sendmail, given the following directions for sendmail configuration? Seems talk using might break things. Or am I wrong? https://gist.github.com/Maeglin73/72eb5b1e4ee66a383c2aa454726be9a5 Thanks for any help. - Mark

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Problems getting MM3 to work
by Alain D D Williams April 25, 2023

April 25, 2023

I have been using mailman2 for some 15 years ... decided that it is time to upgrade to MM3. I have to admit that I am finding it very hard to do so. My target is a Rocky Linux machine (AKA CentOS/RedHat). I am doing a test install in a virtual Debian 10 machine - the idea is learn how it hangs together before reimplement on Rocky (where I tie things down with SELinux). For me the biggest problem is the poor documentation - for someone who is new at MM3 and is not a Python programmer. After a few false starts I am doing a virtualenv installation as described: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html (Changes: I am using mariadb not postgresql, apache not nginx) I am trying to set up the WSGI server. It thinks that my domain is example.com ... when I 'grep -r example.com /opt/mailman' I see 11338 lines - far too many to look through. Could someone please tell me what/where I configure to enter my test domain. Thanks in advance. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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MM3 does not receive gmail-Members!
by Paul Brenner April 24, 2023

April 24, 2023

Hallo I need help! My MM3 sends mails via a list. However, no mails arrive at all gmail recipients. These mails also do not end up in the spam or junk folders. What do I have to do? Regards Paul

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Gmail problems?
by Stephen Daniel April 24, 2023

April 24, 2023

Mailman Gurus -- I run a number of small lists for my neighborhood association. The largest of these is ~120 users. Typical volumes are about 2 messages/day. In the past week or so a number of users who use gmail as their email client have complained that list emails have been going to spam or "promotions" folders. I've always had 1 or 2 users who had trouble receiving mails, but this seems to be a significant percentage of all gmail users. I have DMARC mitigation set to unconditional, and the DMARC action set to "Replace From: with list address". My emails are sent using google workspace as my SMTP relay. I'm trying to teach my users to whitelist the list domain, but they are not, in general, a tech-savvy bunch, so it is slow going. Anyone else suddenly having trouble with gmail? Any suggestions? Thanks!! -- Steve

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how to unhold a hold message from a nonmmeber in hold list.
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) April 21, 2023

April 21, 2023

I'm having troubles with Django and cannot access to web admin. I need to unhold a message while figures out what is happening. Searching the mailman cli help commands didn't help me. Anyone who knows how to unhold a message, please? Thanks in advance -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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MASS mailing list import - 900 ezmlm lists to Mailman
by grant＠horizonsunlimited.com April 20, 2023

April 20, 2023

Hi, I hope someone can help. I have 900-ish, mostly small lists, basically all locations round the globe where people have volunteered to help particular people passing though. Those lists have 2 to 200 people. There are about 50 lists of up to 1000 people each we use for announcements. So two different setups, and a whole lot of manual work. I am moving from an old, now unreliable, host to a new one. Hopefully reliable, certainly cheaper, and better for privacy GDPR etc regs. Mailman is already installed, appears to be version 82?? on cPanel 108.0.15. Ezmlm, no surprise, is not. Installing and configuring it is not something trivial, also have to install gmail etc. Yuck. So, Mailman... going through to create one, I can see that 900 will be my life's work. I'm not a programmer, but reasonably technical, write html, css skills poor but adequate, command line isn't tooo scary, MySQL I don't go near. DOS batch files no problem! :) ANY IDEAS / suggestions appreciated! Thanks, Grant

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Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04?
by Mark London April 16, 2023

April 16, 2023

Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04? If not, will it be possible in the near future? Thanks. Mark

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Link to account
by Lars Bjørndal April 14, 2023

April 14, 2023

Hi, list! On one of my sites, I want to have all Mailman3 links to go under /mailman3. Even though, the Login link goes to a URL like: https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/accounts/login/ How can I ensure it goes to https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/mailman3/accounts/login/ Thanks, Lars

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REST API http://.../3.1/users/../preferred_address returns 404 for GET and POST
by Eric Vyncke April 13, 2023

April 13, 2023

Postorius 1.3.6 does not work anymore when displaying the details of a list that I own (https://lists.XXX.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/rapcs-pilotes.listsXXXorg/) . It worked before but there was several upgrades in between (Ubuntu, apt packages, MySQL, Python). It displays the usual header/footer of the page but with "Something went wrong" above a red box with "HTTP Error 404:". /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log last entries are below (note the 404 result codes in the REST API): Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94 HTTP/1.1" 200 418 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/addresses/eric(a)XXX.org HTTP/1.1" 200 379 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "POST /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log of course has an exception about this 404 result code. Using the MM3 shell, the preferred_address can be displayed and even modified. There are also good values in the MySQL database. Other API endpoints for users work fine (preferences, addresses, ...) Postorius system information is: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.10 (default, Mar 13 2023, 10:26:41) [GCC 9.4.0] Running Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS and Python 3.8 Thanks in advance for any hint to solve this issue (I have held messages that I would love to accept)

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Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'
by Mohsen Masoudfar April 13, 2023

April 13, 2023

I am observing the following error message in the logs for one specific list: = = = relay=email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210]:587, delay=0.27, delays=0.05/0.04/0.12/0.06, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210] said: 554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'. (in reply to end of DATA command)) = = = As I mentioned, this happens for one single list only and this list has not been able to send any email for a week now. After checking mailman-users, I came across the following setting, which seems kind of related to my issue: = = = To distribute messages with valid DKIM signatures, I set remove_dkim_headers: yes in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cf = = = Here are my questions: 1 - I have around 100 lists and this happens for this one list only, so, I am not sure, if the issue might be solved with this change. 2 - Because this happens for this one list only, I would rather change it for this one list only, is there any option available changing it for one list only and not for the whole server? Thanks M

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RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3?
by Markus Ludwig Grandpré April 12, 2023

April 12, 2023

Dear MM§-users, is there a good documentation and example how I can learn to enable django.contrib.auth.backends.RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3? I've already found a detailed documentation (see [1]), but I do not manage to implement this AuthN mechanism for Mailman3. Can you help me? Btw. how can I disable and remove the Fedora button from Maliman3's login page? Best, Markus [1] <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/howto/auth-remote-user/> -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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List notices in French, but subject in English
by Mark Dale April 12, 2023

April 12, 2023

Hi, I have a list set with it's preferred language set as French and the body of the standard notification emails (eg. Welcome message) is correctly sent in French, however the subject of the emails is in English. Can the list be configured so the subject is also in French, or is this an issue with gettext .mo files somewhere? This is on Debian package Mailman 3.3.3 Thanks, Mark

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An archive/read-only list on a full setup?
by Andreas Schamanek April 11, 2023

April 11, 2023

I have a working full installation of mailman3, postorius and hyperkitty (on Debian 11). Now I wanted to host the archive of a remote list, and I am wondering how to do this properly. After I found no documentation and no posting I simply created a list in mailman3 with only 1 dummy member. The list address is subscribed to the actual remote list. So, messages arrive and are archived. But that's not optimal because hyperkitty thinks it's a normal list where it should be read-only and do not allow subscriptions etc. What's the proper way to set up a hyperkitty-only list? -- -- Andreas :-)

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Change base mailman URL path
by chad.hays86＠gmail.com April 8, 2023

April 8, 2023

Hi, I recently completed the a Mailman3 install using these[1] instructions. I'm able to access the web interface, the Django admin app, etc off the root domain URL. For example: https://mydomain.org/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/admin, https://mydomain.org/archives What's the most straightforward way to put all of these URL paths behind a different context? For example: https://mydomain.org/lists/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/lists/admin, https://mydomain.org/lists/archives I'm running Apache2 as my web server and am using mod_proxy to proxy requests to uwsgi. [1] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html

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Debian Package Install - Ownership and Permissions
by Dave Hall April 7, 2023

April 7, 2023

Hello, I know that installing from Debian packages is not the preferred method - unfortunately that's what I'm stuck with at the moment. I have an installation that is sort of working, but there seems to be a lot of issues relating to ownership and permissions that I'll have to manage by hand, so I am asking for some guidance. I'm seeing an interplay between 'list' (the existing Mailman2 user), www-data (the Apache user) and root. Given that it seems like almost everything that's part of mailman3-web/django/hyperkitty is running in uwsgi, should I maybe change /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini to use 'list' as the uid/gid rather than www-data and then also change any user/group permission to 'list' as well? Thanks -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

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Problem with starting core - problem getting a lock on something
by Jens Günther April 6, 2023

April 6, 2023

Unfortunately our mailman-core-container doesn't start anymore correctly. We updated lately to v0.4.5 and it ran smoothly for the last 4 weeks. This morning the RAM crashed and I then had to restore some things since the RAID was affected. Anyway, the container doesn't get up anymore although we didn't change anything in the setup. Does anybody know what the error means and how we could fix that? "Could not acquire the lock" normally means that some permissions aren't right ... right? Actually I don't know where to start. What I already did: remove the container completely and rebuild it. Thank you in advance! Jens. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 125, in acquire_lock_1 lock.lock(timedelta(seconds=0.1)) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 386, in lock raise TimeOutError('Could not acquire the lock') flufl.lock._lockfile.TimeOutError: Could not acquire the lock During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 237, in details lockfile, hostname, pid, random_ignored = filename.split( ValueError: not enough values to unpack (expected 4, got 1) The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/master", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 580, in main lock = acquire_lock(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 151, in acquire_lock lock = acquire_lock_1(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 131, in acquire_lock_1 hostname, pid, tempfile = lock.details File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 241, in details raise NotLockedError('Details are unavailable') from error flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Details are unavailable

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Hyperkitty shows "<" as <
by Andreas Schamanek April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hi fellow Hyperkitties, I migrated from Mailman 2 to 3 and imported my 1st list via `manage.py hyperkitty_import` to Hyperkitty 1.3.4 (the Debian package), but that might not even be relevant to my problem: All "<" and ">" in old and new messages are shown as "<" and ">" in message views _however_ they are shown correctly in overview abstracts e.g. at //server/mm3/hyperkitty/list/testlist@server/latest Is this a bug in Hyperkitty? Or is our server doing something funky? -- -- Andreas :-)

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Mailman and Mailman-web databases
by Andrew Hodgson April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hi. Just come out of a bit of a server reorg where I followed the new instructions to get Mailman3 up and running with Mailman-web. Virtualenv Installation - Mailman Suite 3.3 documentation (list.org)<https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> In these instructions we are using 2 databases for the Mailman and Django components. I guess it doesn't harm anything to have just one database for both but wondered whether it was a good idea to split eventually? Thanks. Andrew.

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Database Schema - v3.2.1 to v3.3.3
by Dave Hall April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hello. Have 4 Debian servers running Mailman3 v3.2.1 and sharing the same external MySql databases for Mailman3 and Mailman3-web. I am in the process of migrating to v3.3.3. It would be easiest to perform this upgrade one server at a time, but this would mean that for a short time I would have v3.2.1 and v3.3.3 using the same databases. I am wondering if there are any MySql schema differences between the two versions. If there are, having the two different versions 'cohabitating' won't work.. Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

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Held messages page not rendering the message
by mike-mailman＠earth.li April 4, 2023

April 4, 2023

Hi When the list moderator goes to the held_messages page, they correctly get a list of the held messages and can accept/reject/discard them However, clicking on the individual message to read it doesn't work - it does nothing visible at all. From debug I can see it requests /mailman3/postorius/api/list/<list>/held_message/1/ which returns correctly (and the body includes the message as expected) - but it never renders it Any idea what could be wrong? Thanks -- Mike

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upgrading in FreeBSD 13.1-p7: problem with aiosmtpd and lmtp runner
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) April 4, 2023

April 4, 2023

As you could have read yesterday, I had problems upgrading to the last versions of mailman3 related apps. The lmtp runner stopped after upgrade and showed and error in aiosmtpd package. the O.S. version running may servers is FreeBSD 13.1-p7 That was in a mailman3 server with few lists and traffic. O did the upgrade today in the server that has many lists and hard traffic. When I restarted mailman it showed this trace: Generating MTA alias maps /usr/local/mailman3 # Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/runner", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'runner')()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 184, in main runner = make_runner(*runner_spec, once=once) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 70, in make_runner return runner_class(name, slice) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/runners/lmtp.py", line 295, in __init__ self.lmtp = LMTPController(LMTPHandler(), hostname=hostname, port=port) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 417, in __init__ self._localhost = get_localhost() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 66, in get_localhost with makesock(AF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM) as sock: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/socket.py", line 232, in __init__ _socket.socket.__init__(self, family, type, proto, fileno) OSError: [Errno 43] Protocol not supported As Mark pointed it can be circunverted modifying /PATH_TO_YOUR_PYTHON/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py and changing the 49th line as this: # Helper function to assist in mocking^M ## return has_ipv6^M return False After that, restarting mailman 3 works perfectly. It seems that FreeBSD is handling IPv6 in a way that other OSs dont. It surprise me, because FreeBSD was the first OS where IPv6 was deployed, but it is what it is. Thaks to everybody for your patience, specially Odhiambo and Mark. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Custom Archiver
by Stephen J. Turnbull April 3, 2023

April 3, 2023

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/1/23 16:33, Peter Knowles wrote: > > That all being said, on a slight segway... Aside from using the > > REST API, is it practical or possible to manipulate the database > > directly? That is, in doing so would it just work or are there > > extra moving parts when an API request is issued? > > It probably is possible, but I would definitely discourage it. The > REST API should provide everything you need without your having to > reimplement everything it does. I think it would probably be a really heavy lift, because Mailman internally uses an object-relational manager, SQAlchemy. We occasionally change the schema, and SQAalchemy will automatically upgrade the database schema. You would have to handle that by hand in your code. I would recommend you get the sources for mailmanclient (https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient, iirc). They're quite repetitive, you wouldn't want to literally port them, but once you're familiar with the scaffolding and a couple of the commands you should be able to write a lot of PHP really fast to cover the REST endpioints you most need in a library with an API to your taste. Steve

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Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list
by Andrew Hodgson April 2, 2023

April 2, 2023

Hi, I have noticed recently I have around 2000 bogus sign-ups that have created accounts in Django. Looking through the logs these have come from the Postorius sign-up pages. I checked and email confirmation is required before the accounts are created and the email addresses that have been used do seem like they could respond to these requests. I don't want to add captchas to the form right now but is there any way to clean out these users from the database perhaps periodically based on whether the accounts are subscribed to any list? Thanks. Andrew.

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Custom Archiver
by pknowles＠tpnsolutions.com April 2, 2023

April 2, 2023

I'm playing around with installing Mailman Core, and want to have messages on a "per-list" basis sent to a special "archiver" address which I intend to make archives available at via a custom built "read-only" IMAP client. How would I go about having messages sent to this external address, short of adding the address as a subscriber?

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lmtp runner not starting
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

This morning I upgraded the mailman3 installation of the less traffic server I have: a bunch of lists, with very slow traffic. (see pip lists at the end) I sent test mails to a pair of lists, but none were distributed or archived. postorius seemed working well. First I thought it was some I did wrong in the upgrade procedure, but then I realized the lmtp runner was not running. I followed old messages about similar problem (many of them in this same mailman-users list), but I cannot see what is wrong. There is no error logged in mailman.log. the mailman.cfg of the lmtp is the default (and was working at least a pair of weeks ago) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* from mailman.cfg [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* There is no one listening in port 8024. I tried changing the port (to 9024), with the same results. postfix seems working well. I's just there is nothing listening on port 8024 because lmtp runner is not running :) (from maillog): connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024: Connection refused (another simple test) root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # telnet localhost 8024 Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused I'm running out of ideas. Any clue to somewhere to dig in? *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* runners started Apr 01 17:24:40 2023 (4681) out runner started. Apr 01 17:24:40 2023 (4680) virgin runner started. Apr 01 17:24:41 2023 (4679) command runner started. Apr 01 17:24:42 2023 (4688) retry runner started. Apr 01 17:24:43 2023 (4686) in runner started. Apr 01 17:24:44 2023 (4683) digest runner started. Apr 01 17:24:44 2023 (4684) nntp runner started. Apr 01 17:24:45 2023 (4682) archive runner started. Apr 01 17:24:46 2023 (4685) bounces runner started. Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) task runner started. Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted expired cache entries Apr 01 17:24:48 2023 (4678) pipeline runner started. Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted expired cache entries *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* pip lists with versions installed root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep mailman django-mailman3 1.3.9 mailman 3.3.8 mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1 mailmanclient 3.3.5 root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep django django-allauth 0.51.0 django-appconf 1.0.5 django-compressor 4.0 django-extensions 3.2.0 django-gravatar2 1.4.4 django-haystack 3.2.1 django-mailman3 1.3.9 django-picklefield 3.1 django-q 1.3.9 djangorestframework 3.13.1 root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep postorius postorius 1.3.8 -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Email discard
by qro＠xs4all.nl April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

Hi I have a good working mailman3 list server with 3 mailing lists. 2 of them work OK, but 1 has a little odd behaiver If a non member send an email it will discard while the setting in /postorius/lists/list.name.nl/settings/message_acceptance shows Hold for moderation A snip from var/mailman3/mailman.log Apr 01 10:48:32 2023 (49342) DISCARD: <4359976d-d4bb-9b30-0901-c842aa1fecb3(a)xs4all.nl>; ['The message is not from a list member'] Changing and saving a other choice makes no difference. Where can I look more to find a solution? (in mysql?) Peter

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Dealing with spam from Web users
by Jeremy Stanley April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

We recently migrated a bunch of lists from 2.1 to 3.3.7 and have started to get spammers posting via HyperKitty (because I guess that's easier for them than SMTP). It looks like I should be able to set posts from HyperKitty to be automatically moderated by creating a header filter on "User-Agent" matching "HyperKitty" but is there a better/easier way? Also, for things which already went out to the list, obviously I can ban the spammer but what's the cleanest solution for removing their posts from list archives so that we don't further their goals by continuing to publish their handiwork? -- Jeremy Stanley

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Need some help getting this working...
by Marisa Giancarla March 31, 2023

March 31, 2023

I'm trying to get mailman set up again (don't ask what happened) and I am having trouble. Anyone interested in working with me to resolve the issues? I'm trying to run itonUbuntu22.04 if that makes a difference. I can provide shell access to the mail server... Thanks for the attention! Marisa -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

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Question about whitlisting a domain for specific mailing list
by Zaheer Abbas March 30, 2023

March 30, 2023

Hi All, I need to whitelist a domain for a specific mailing list on your platform. Only *(a)example.com email addresses should be allowed to post messages to this list. Could you please provide me with documentation or instructions on how to achieve this? I have already searched the knowledge base and user manuals without success. I believe it was previously available in mailman2 via Accept_these_nonmembers attribute. But I cannot find this attribute anywhere on postorius. I am using mailman 3.2.2 Any help would be really appreciated. Best regards, -- *ZA*

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500 error on Held Messages page
by Dan Caballero March 30, 2023

March 30, 2023

Hello, I searched the list but couldn't find anything specific to the error seeing with held messages for this specific list. See output below from the mailman.log. The problem doesn't seem to be related to the database listarchiver table. Please advise. -- Dan Caballero Caltech Systems Administrator MySQL [mailman3_prod]> select * from listarchiver where mailing_list_id='4899'; +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ | id | mailing_list_id | name | _is_enabled | +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ | 1872 | 4899 | mhonarc | 0 | | 1873 | 4899 | mail-archive | 0 | | 1874 | 4899 | prototype | 0 | | 1875 | 4899 | hyperkitty | 1 | +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ 4 rows in set (0.001 sec) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2022-09-20 14:44:17 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/jewishlife(a)caltech.edu/held?count=10&page=1 => Traceback (most recent call last): File "falcon/app.py", line 365, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 182, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in _make_collection entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in <listcomp> entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 173, in _resource_as_dict assert resource is not None, resource AssertionError: None

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Re: 404 on fresh install (Debian11)
by Stephen Turnbull March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Sorry about breaking the thread, institution system "upgrade" to O365 broke my world so I'm cutting and pasting into Outlook. comprepair_jimberg--- via Mailman-users writes: > Can you setup Mailman3 for me? I have done apt install > mailman3-full but I have no clue whaat I am doing. You should seriously consider either going for a managed host or hiring somebody. Unfortunately, you're asking a bit much for volunteer help. The problem is that Debian uses the FHS layout with the system Python,while we core devs recommend and use a self-contained "virtual environment" with an /opt-style layout. Debian also applies patches that may or may not be backports from more recent versions. We just don't know what's going to go wrong on a distro install. Mailman also has dependencies on several system components (webserver, mailserver, WSGI implementation, SQL database, text indexer) which each come in multiple flavors, but the range of combinations we're familiar with is limited and may not even include the Debian default list. Once you have a working Mailman installation we'll be happy to help you tune it, though. (And you don't need core devs for that anyway, other Mailman site admins who hang out here can often help as well as well as we can.) We are much more likely to have knowledge and experience to help with a virtual environment install as described in https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… Here's an alternative, "from the ground up" step by step description of a specific combination of components: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 I think it should work just fine for Debian 11 as well. The author of "Mailman3 On Debian10" was a hosting and mailing list service provider, and used this recipe for all his hosts. Regards, Steve

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Sending a message to a subscription applicant when a subscription request is made
by Allan Hansen March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Dear Mailman 3 wizards, Our subscription process requires that the applicant answers a few questions and sends them to the list moderator. Not having a template that gets sent on all subscribe requests, I'm using the 'list:admin:action:subscribe' template. This gets sent to the list moderator, who then sends it forward to the applicant. This is rather tedious. I would like the template to be sent directly to the applicant. There is a template, 'list:user:action:subscribe' that almost does this, but it gets sent only if the email address of the applicant is unverified. A good number of our applicants are already on our lists, so they would not get this template if we set the Subscription Policy to 'Confirm, then moderate'. Our Subscription Policy is currently: 'Moderate' for all lists. I figure that three modifications can be used to fix this: a. That we change the lines in the Python program in our installation that send 'list:admin:action:subscribe' to the list admins to instead send the template to the applying subscriber. b. That we change the lines in the Python program in our installation that send 'list:user:action:subscribe' to the subscriber with an unverified address to always do this, even when the incoming address has already been verified. c. That the current 'list:user:action:subscribe' be changed in published Mailman 3 source to 'list:user:action:confirm' and a new template ''list:user:action:subscribe' be set up to be sent when any subscribe request is made. This is more work, of course, so not likely a good thing to hack locally. It could be useful to other users. Any suggestions on how to best and most quickly do the above would be appreciated, starting with (a.) or (b.). Clearly, (a.) and (b.), if we do one of those, are hacks that will need to be applied upon Mailman updates. That's fine by me, as I'm in rush to get this done. I'd welcome pointers as to which file to change and how. Of these two options, which would be the least work? (c.) could be entered as a longer-term enhancement request. I can submit that request if you like. Yours, Allan Hansen P.S.: Thank you for the enhancement that lets moderators see the member lists. It has been a big help for us. GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:VWy26K4pUfU4jw@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass

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404 on fresh install (Debian11)
by thomas＠lydra.fr March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Hello, very new to mailman3, I used to manage mailman2 on a Debian 10 server. The server has been upgraded to Debian 11 and mailman2 disappear… I try fresh install of mailman3, prerequisite to data migration, but without success. If some can help, I would be really greatful. Here is my path: - `mailman3-full` install with apt. MySQL config since I have this DBMS - `python3-pymysql` install with apt after seeing errors in logs - Apache2 configuration (other virtual hosts are present) ```apache2 <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName newsletter.mydomain.tld Alias /static /var/lib/mailman3/web/static Alias /favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico DocumentRoot /var/lib/mailman3/web/static <Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static"> Require all granted </Directory> ProxyPassMatch ^/static ! ProxyPass / http://localhost:8001/ ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8001/ ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_error.log CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_access.log combined </VirtualHost> ``` And now I have a 404 answer when consulting my http page. When trying to access `/static` sub-path, I get `Cannot serve directory /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/admin/: No matching DirectoryIndex found`. I also tried `ProxyPass / unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost` but also fails with `No protocol handler was valid for the URL / (scheme 'uwsgi')` I am a bit lost with that. Thanks for your help

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NGINX reports 502 after fresh install
by Mailman March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Hi All, I'm working my way through the recommended installation in a Python virtual environment. I seem to have the components installed and working but when I try to access the web interface I receive an error 502 from the web server. I'm assuming I've misconfigured something in Nginx. What details are needed for a diagnosis? Thanks, Chris P

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Social signup?
by Duane Raymond March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Hi everyone, Is there a way to enable social signup (vs just login for existing users)? I've just implemented social login on my mailman lists, but realised it seems to be only login, and not signup...or at least I couldn't fine specific info to enable social signup. Is social signup something anyone has implemented (and if so how). If not, I suspect there might be a good reason (e.g. privacy, security, etc) but I'd love to hear it :-) Duane

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Mailman 3 database restore unexpected behavior
by Tibor Molnar March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Mailman3 built from source using virtual environment. Version: GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg Issue: I have restored the database number of times recently and experienced that every time after restoration (an hour after) all members getting an email that they are unsubscribed due to bounces, however non of the users are actually unsubscribed from any lists. It looks like there are duplicates in database and all the duplicates are getting unsubscribed? Bounces message: name(a)email.com unsubscribed from [listname] mailing list due to bounces Only restoring two files: mailman3 and mailman3web Did anyone come acroos this behavior ? It is not right that after restoring a database all 1000 user get an email that they are unsubscribed, but they are actually not. I may do something wrong during the restoring process. Please advise me.

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How to list all nonmembers from a list?
by Jens Günther March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Hey there, I wanted to list all nonmembers from a list, I just can't find an easy way to do it. For listing members of a list it is quite clear: mailman members $mylist Is there a similar way for nonmembers!? Actually I'm pretty sure, that one can do it with the shell and I found some documentation on that. But I'm kind of a noob in these things and already tried a little around, but can't get anything to work: dump_members(mlist.nonmembers.members) from https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… Help qould be highly appreciated, thanks in advance! Jens.

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Is it possible to give the supporter team list administrator rights to all lists
by Henrik Rasmussen March 27, 2023

March 27, 2023

Having everyone in our support team logging in using the same Mailman system administrator account is obviously far from good practice. Therefore, as the Mailman system administrator, all support is on my shoulders. Is there any way to create an administrator account for each supporter, so they can support the list administrators with their lists, without having access rights to the full system, as the Mailman list administrator have? If not, I would have to make a workaround, programmatically (API) granting every supporter owner access to every list. Your sincerely Henrik Rasmussen System administrator University of Copenhagen

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Installing Mailman for the first time
by comprepair_jimberg＠icloud.com March 25, 2023

March 25, 2023

I am running Debian 11 Server and wanting to install Mailman 3 Will this work for what I am trying to do? https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 If not is there a shorter list of steps to accomplish what I am trying to do? Jim

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Subscription requests = 0 ? Bug or feature?
by Odhiambo Washington March 24, 2023

March 24, 2023

Even though I have a "Pending confirmation" request, the total entries under the subscription requests reads zero. I thought it should read whatever the total of (pending confirmation + pending approval) is. https://imgur.com/a/jq9B44S -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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moving individual list to different domain
by Johannes Rohr March 22, 2023

March 22, 2023

Dear all, on mailman2 it was possible to move a list to a different domain within the same mailman instance. I have found no information on how the same can be accomplished on mailman3. Is this possible at all? Thanks! Johannes

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Subscription Requests
by Odhiambo Washington March 22, 2023

March 22, 2023

It would be nice to have a "Submission Date" field added to the table for both requests "pending confirmation" and "pending approval" the same way we have a hold_date for held messages. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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eccentric setup question
by Jeff Berry March 21, 2023

March 21, 2023

Good morning all, we've got a somewhat eccentric setup for our mailman installation, and we're having difficulty getting some of the settings to work properly, so I'm hoping some one has some insight. Our server machine is hidden behind our firewall, with the actual machine name not availble via external DNS) and all the mail is being routed through an Exchange server. So mail to list(a)domain.com hits our exchange server, which sends it on to lists(a)listserver.domain.com The problem we're having is that if the mailman domain of the list is listserver.domain.com then spamfilters start to flag the mail since it looks like spoofing/malformed headers and so on. If the mailman domain is just domain.com then postfix rejects it with an unknown local recipient error. I though I might be able to just tweak the incoming mail headers in postfix via header_checks but that's not working, either because I've got the wrong check or it's the wrong approach, or both. postfix relay_domains might do it, I think, but if it maps listserver.domain.com to domain.com that would break the listserver domain mailing lists (I think). Is there a canonical way to do this and/or have I missed some obvious configuration option in either mailman or postfix? Kind regards, Jeff Berry jeff.berry(a)mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk

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Need help setting up mailman3 on ubuntu 20.04...
by Marisa Giancarla March 20, 2023

March 20, 2023

I'm trying to get mailman3 up on ubuntu using the debian package. I did the "apt install mailman3-full" and it does seem to have installed as both the mailman3 & mailman3-web processes are running. I can use "mailman create" in the command-line and "mailman lists" displays the lists I created. What I am having issues with is I don't see any entries in/etc/aliases, and I don't know how to access the web interface (as either admin or user). Can someone point me to what I need to do to finish it? Thanks, Marisa

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New year releases!
by Abhilash Raj March 18, 2023

March 18, 2023

Hello Everyone, Happy new year! I am pleased to announce several new releases for GNU Mailman project. 1. Mailman Core 3.3.8 [1] 2. Postorius 1.3.8 [2] 3. Hyperkitty 1.3.7 [3] 4. Mailmanclient 3.3.5 [4] 5. Django-mailman3 1.3.9 [5] 6. Mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1 [6] All the releases are published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ A full list of change logs are available below: [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [2]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-8 [3]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-7 [4]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… [5]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst [6]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/-/blob/master/README.rst Finally, the minimum Python version required is 3.7, and all the components now support Python 3.7 to 3.11. Thanks to all the contributors for making this release possible! If you find any issues, you can report them at the respective bug tracker for the projects. The links to issue trackers are available here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ Installation documentation is available at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html and if you are upgrading an existing virtualenv install you can refer https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Pd CRON mailman gatenews
by Pierre Malard March 18, 2023

March 18, 2023

Hello, Our infrastructure: VM Debian 11 Mailman3 3.3.3-1 from BullsEye Main repository We have recently been receiving this kind of messages from CRON with the execution of "mailman gatenews" : —————————————————————————————————————————————————— Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 321, in lock os.link <http://os.link/>(self._claimfile, self._lockfile) FileExistsError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck|listesman.int.cines.teledetection.fr <http://listesman.int.cines.teledetection.fr/>|466566|5365511256557879875' -> '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.3', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 829, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 781, in main with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 700, in make_context self.parse_args(ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1212, in parse_args rest = Command.parse_args(self, ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1048, in parse_args value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1630, in handle_parse_result value = invoke_param_callback(self.callback, ctx, self, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 123, in invoke_param_callback return callback(ctx, param, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 94, in initialize_config initialize(value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 218, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 177, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 50, in create with Lock(os.path.join(config.LOCK_DIR, 'dbcreate.lck')): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 439, in __enter__ self.lock() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 353, in lock elif self._read() == self._claimfile: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 502, in _read with open(self._lockfile) as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck' —————————————————————————————————————————————————— CRON content: —————————————————————————————————————————————————— # /etc/cron.d/mailman3: crontab entries for the mailman3 package SHELL=/bin/sh PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin # At 8AM, send out notifices of pending requests to list moderators 0 8 * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman notify; fi # At 12AM, send mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshold delivery 0 12 * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman digests --periodic; fi # Every 15 minutes, gate messages from usenet to those lists which have the gateway configured */15 * * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman gatenews; fi —————————————————————————————————————————————————— I thought, given the last line, a problem of rights. It is not the case ! The directory and the files contained in /var/lib/mailman3/locks belong to the user "list". When I run "/usr/bin/mailman gatenews" by hand everything is correct. The questions I have are these: We have 8000 files "dbcreate.lck..." in the directory "/var/lib/mailman3/locks". What are they for? Can we delete them? We have 2 files "master.lck..." dated from the day after tomorrow ! What is this date? Aren't these files the problem? Thanks for your help -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France À propos de nos chers économistes : «Les habiles, dans notre siècle, se sont décernés a eux-mêmes la qualification d’homme d’état. [...] ces politiques, ingénieux a mettre aux fictions profitables un masque de nécessité.» Victor Hugo : “Les misérables”, La pléiade, Gallimard, P. 843 |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France «Le courage, c'est de chercher la vérité et de la dire, c'est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.» Jean Jaures - "Discours de jeunesse" - 1903 ("`-/")_.-'"``-._ . . `; -._ )-;-,_`) (v_,)' _ )`-.\ ``-' _.- _..-_/ / ((.' ((,.-' ((,/ πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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IndexError in archiving queue
by Jacob Sievert March 16, 2023

March 16, 2023

Hello, it seems I have forgotten where I can kick an email out of the archiving queue as it produces this error in a loop. Might one of you know where I can do that? Thanks in advance. Error for reference: ``` During handling of the above exception (expected atom at a start of dot-atom-text but found '[a9920f8aa52d4a9093e21255f8fb2673-JFBVALKQOJXWILKCJQZFA7CJIFGVGU2QKJ6FGU2QKJCW2YLJNR6EK6DPKNWXI4A=(a)microsoft.com]>'), another exception occurred: File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py", line 43, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 117, in _decorator return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py", line 54, in wrapped_view return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 163, in archive add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py", line 65, in add_to_list msg_id = get_message_id(message) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 60, in get_message_id msg_id = email.utils.unquote(re.sub(r'\s', '', message['Message-Id'])) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/message.py", line 391, in __getitem__ the values matching a header field name. File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/message.py", line 471, in get for k, v in self._headers: File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/policy.py", line 163, in header_fetch_parse return self.header_factory(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/headerregistry.py", line 601, in __call__ return self[name](name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/headerregistry.py", line 196, in __new__ cls.parse(value, kwds) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/headerregistry.py", line 529, in parse kwds['parse_tree'] = parse_tree = cls.value_parser(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2126, in parse_message_id token, value = get_msg_id(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2073, in get_msg_id token, value = get_obs_local_part(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1516, in get_obs_local_part if (obs_local_part[0].token_type == 'dot' or ``` regards Jacob

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problem configuring mailman3 on debian bullseye
by Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione territoriale di Brescia March 16, 2023

March 16, 2023

Hello all, I'm a blind server administrator living in Italy. I use mailman since 2010 and I was very happy for this list manager. When was released the version 3 I started to have many problems to configure it. In this days I installed a new server for my association and I have this problem that I don't know to solve. The server is a debian bullseye. I installed mailman3-full from the standard packege. I'm using nginx as web server. I configured mailman3 and mailman3-web wit https support. All is working fine, but if I attempt to subscribe someone it does not work. I send a subscription e-mail to the address list and I receive correctly the request to confirm subscription. When I reply to the request mailman log gives this error: requests.exceptions.SSLError: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /postorius/api/templates/list/listname.domain/list:user:notice:welcome (Caused by SSLError(SSLCertVerificationError("hostname 'localhost' doesn't match either of 'example.com', 'www.example.com'"))) The strange thing is that I configured a domain list.example.com and in the configuration files I put this domain. Mailman3-web works fine I can create lists and make settings. Have you an idea about this issue? Thanks -- Roberto Burceni Servizio informatico sezionale Tel. 0302209417 (lunedì e giovedì mattina dalle 9:00 alle 13:00, martedì emercoledì pomeriggio dalle 14:00 alle 18:00 E-mail: servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it Sito web: https://www.uicibrescia.it

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Change 'from' server for outgoing messages
by Benjamin Goldberg March 12, 2023

March 12, 2023

Hi. I'm running mailman3 on a VPS. The hostname of the VPS is not the hostname that I'm using for mailman3. The webapp is using an Apache Virtual host. I am routing outgoing emails through a third-party smtp relay. The VPS hostname is smart.bnmng.com and the mailing list hostname is 757pug.org Signup confirmation and welcome emails are working. They appear to be coming from the intended host, which is 757pug.org But emails from the mailing lists are being blocked by the smtp relay. I think it's because they are not coming from 757pug.org; They are coming from smart.bnmng.com All of the mailinglists' mail_host fields are correct, 757pug.org from mailman.cfg: incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: smtp.mailersend.net smtp_port: 587 smtp_secure_mode: starttls smtp_user: (my relay service username) smtp_pass: (my relay service password) from settings.py: DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'admin(a)757pug.org' SERVER_EMAIL = 'admin(a)757pug.org' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'smtp.mailersend.net' EMAIL_USE_TLS = True EMAIL_PORT = 587 EMAIL_HOST_USER = (my relay service username) EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = (my relay service password) So it seems like mailman core is not using the mail_host field. How can I fix that? Thank you

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MM2 -> MM3 Migration: listinfo page
by Odhiambo Washington March 10, 2023

March 10, 2023

I have migrated from MM2 to MM3. However, writing HTML is not one of my strengths. I need to edit my MM2 listinfo page to: a. Remove everything below the "Subscribing to LISTNAME" heading and below that add a link to the new http://WEBSERVER/accounts/signup/ which ideally should open on a new browser tab. b. Add a link to the new archives at https://WEBSERVER/archives/list/$list_id/ For those who have migrated from MM2 to MM3, does someone have an elegantly modified listinfo page they are willing to share? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Where to configure 'hostname' used in 'From:'-header?
by Dmitri Heerdegen March 10, 2023

March 10, 2023

Hello, I've recently installed MM3 with Exim4 on, say, subdomain.myhost.tld and configured MM3 to use lists.someotherdomain.tld as web host and mail host. Thus, the mailman.cfg contains: [mta] smtp_host: lists.someotherdomain.tld When I send a message to test(a)lists.someotherdomain.tld it gets delivered, however the 'From:'-header becomes "test(a)subdomain.myhost.tld".

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Mailing list resends same email multiple times
by 朱超 March 10, 2023

March 10, 2023

Hello, I need your help. There have question about Scenes: Add mailbox a and mailbox b to mailing lists c and mailing lists d, and send mail to mailing list c and mailing list d through mailbox b , among which a has received many mails sent by b, check the log and find: The file about path:/opt/mailman /var/queue/bounces has the content of retrying mail, but I turned off process bounces. Mailing list sends mail via exim, logs found in exim： 023-03-09 00:54:47 1pa4YR-001xk5-0y <= <> R=1pa4YM-001xje-1F U=exim P=local S=7672 T="Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender" from <> Thanks TomNewChao

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Attack on Mailman Server?
by Eggert Ehmke March 9, 2023

March 9, 2023

I had some attacks on my wordpress homepage today, I added some IPs to the blacklist of my firewall. At the same time, I got several reports like this: Internal Server Error: /accounts/signup/ TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/signup/ 429.html Request Method: OPTIONS Request URL: https://lists.eehmke.de/accounts/signup/ Django Version: 3.2.16 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/ python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/ python3.9/site-packages'] Server time: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 13:09:34 +0100 So it seems there were attempts to register new users but this caused this internal error. Where can I send the complete error message?

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Permissions issue after upgrade of virtualenv
by Odhiambo Washington March 9, 2023

March 9, 2023

Ola, So I installed a new virtualenv using Python3.11, kept all settings intact, copied /opt/mailman/mmvar from the old virtualenv to the new one. Trying to access Postorius, I am greeted with this error: Thu Mar 09 22:17:59.313459 2023] [core:error] [pid 15655] (13)Permission denied: [client 197.232.xx.xx:26574] AH00035: access to / denied (filesystem path '/opt/mailman/mm') because search permissions are missing on a component of the path, referer: https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/ I did not change Apache config and I made sure that /opt/mailman is all owned by mailman:mailman. What am I missing? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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mail for lists.ccalternatives.org loops back to myself, then Recipient address rejected
by Christian Stalberg March 8, 2023

March 8, 2023

Environment: Debian 10; Postfix 3.4.14; GNU Mailman 3.3.5; Mailman Core API Version 3.1; Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3 Digging a hole after having simply created a new mailing list. This has not happened before. Steps taken: -Created list via web interface -Added subscribers via web interface -Sent email to listname -Received error bounce: This is the mail system at host zarathustra.ccalternatives.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: mail for lists.ccalternatives.org loops back to myself -Added lists.ccalternatives.org to the mydestination line in /etc/postfix/main.cf and restarted Postfix -Now a new error message: <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: host lists.ccalternatives.org[192.46.218.224] said: 550 5.1.1 <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table (in reply to RCPT TO command)

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bounce_score_threshold control
by Tibor Molnar March 8, 2023

March 8, 2023

Hi guys, I have recently started receiving these mails from the system. First it was frighting me out that people's account got disabled, but actually nothing has happened, nobody got disabled. I however looking to figure out how can I control or change settings for this particular mechanism. Please advise me. emailname(a)example.it's subscription has been disabled on listname(a)domain.eu due to their bounce score exceeding the mailing list's bounce_score_threshold. Regards, Tibor

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MM3+Python3.11
by Odhiambo Washington March 7, 2023

March 7, 2023

Has MM3 been tested with Python3.11? I updated a Debian VM to Python3.11, installed MM3 and migrated the configs. However, I am unable to get past the following error: root@debian:/home/wash# less /opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log worker 2 buried after 1 seconds goodbye to uWSGI. *** Starting uWSGI 2.0.21 (64bit) on [Mon Mar 6 14:27:20 2023] *** compiled with version: 10.2.1 20210110 on 21 February 2023 07:16:19 os: Linux-6.1.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.12-1 (2023-02-15) nodename: debian machine: x86_64 clock source: unix detected number of CPU cores: 16 current working directory: / writing pidfile to /opt/mailman/mm/var/uwsgi.pid detected binary path: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi !!! no internal routing support, rebuild with pcre support !!! your processes number limit is 31427 your memory page size is 4096 bytes detected max file descriptor number: 1024 lock engine: pthread robust mutexes thunder lock: disabled (you can enable it with --thunder-lock) uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8000 fd 8 uwsgi socket 1 bound to UNIX address /opt/mailman/mm/var/uwsgi.sock fd 9 Python version: 3.11.2 (main, Feb 21 2023, 02:03:40) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] PEP 405 virtualenv detected: /opt/mailman/venv/ Set PythonHome to /opt/mailman/venv/ Python main interpreter initialized at 0x560130dd7df8 python threads support enabled your server socket listen backlog is limited to 100 connections your mercy for graceful operations on workers is 60 seconds mapped 250128 bytes (244 KB) for 4 cores *** Operational MODE: preforking+threaded *** Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/wsgi.py", line 10, in <module> from django.core.wsgi import get_wsgi_application File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 1, in <module> from django.utils.version import get_version File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/utils/version.py", line 1, in <module> import datetime File "/usr/lib/python3.11/datetime.py", line 12, in <module> import math as _math ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'math' unable to load app 0 (mountpoint='') (callable not found or import error) *** no app loaded. going in full dynamic mode *** *** uWSGI is running in multiple interpreter mode *** spawned uWSGI master process (pid: 117115) spawned uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 117118, cores: 2) spawned uWSGI worker 2 (pid: 117119, cores: 2) [uwsgi-daemons] spawning "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster" (uid: 1001 gid: 1001) 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Q Cluster vegan-arizona-massachusetts-texas starting. 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 117129 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 117130 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 ready for work at 117131 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 ready for work at 117132 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:5 ready for work at 117133 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:6 ready for work at 117134 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:7 ready for work at 117135 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:8 ready for work at 117136 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:9 ready for work at 117137 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:10 ready for work at 117138 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:11 ready for work at 117139 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:12 ready for work at 117140 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:13 ready for work at 117141 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:14 ready for work at 117142 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:15 ready for work at 117143 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:16 ready for work at 117144 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:17 monitoring at 117145 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster vegan-arizona-massachusetts-texas 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:18 pushing tasks at 117146 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Q Cluster vegan-arizona-massachusetts-texas running. --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Question about the smtp log (rotation)
by David P Vanecek March 7, 2023

March 7, 2023

I have been asked to take over the management of the mailman3 servers as the prior admin left little documentation. One of the first things I need to do is optimize the logging. Currently the mailman.log is being rotated and zipped by user list and kept 5 day. (this is fine but would like to increase it some) But the smtp log has not been rotated since August (also created by user list) I cannot seem to find what process does this and how I can modify it. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, [University of Nevada, Reno logo]<https://www.unr.edu/> David Vanecek Senior Server Administrator Office of Information Technology Work-phone: (775) 682-5065<tel:(775)%20682-5065> dvanecek(a)unr.edu<mailto:dvanecek@unr.edu> https://www.unr.edu/oit ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/jpeg Name: image001.jpg Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Cron Error: <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs monthly
by Odhiambo Washington March 5, 2023

March 5, 2023

Is this a race condition? <CUT> ERROR OCCURED IN JOB: update_and_clean_index (APP: hyperkitty) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_extensions/management/commands/runjobs.py", line 40, in runjobs job().execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/jobs/update_and_clean_index.py", line 37, in execute run_with_lock(update_index, remove=True) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 181, in run_with_lock log.exception("Failed to update the fulltext index: %s", e) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 470, in __exit__ self.unlock() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 420, in unlock raise NotLockedError('Already unlocked') flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Already unlocked <CUT> -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Archiver Hyperkitty Not Found
by pat＠suwalski.net March 4, 2023

March 4, 2023

Hello, I upgraded from Debian 10 to 11 today, and hyperkitty archiver stopped working. From the mailman.log: AssertionError: Archiver not found: hyperkitty I followed along on a related thread: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I don't see any resolution to that thread. The only thing that worked for me was removing the hyperkitty rows from the listarchiver table in the database. But of course, now I don't have working archiving. >>> from mailman.config import config >>> list(config.archivers) [<mailman.archiving.mhonarc.MHonArc object at 0x7fd64ea47310>, <mailman.archiving.mailarchive.MailArchive object at 0x7fd64ea47490>, <mailman.archiving.prototype.Prototype object at 0x7fd64ea47790>] Any ideas? How would I make the archiver available? This django stuff is infuriatingly difficult compared to other frameworks.

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URLs in moderation messages
by Tim Cutts March 3, 2023

March 3, 2023

Hi, I’ve clearly got something wrong in my configuration, but I can’t work out what. All my URLs seem to have the “mailman3” part duplicated, i.e. Https://example.com/mailman3/mailman3/lists Is where I have to go to get a list of my mailing lists, which just doesn’t seem right. In my settings.py file I have: POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://example.com/mailman3/' If I change the value of this to just https://example.com/ it doesn’t change this, Where have I gone wrong? Tim

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ERROR: Can't load plugin sqlalchemy.dialects.postgres
by o.mankewitz＠gmail.com March 3, 2023

March 3, 2023

Hi! I am trying to install Mailman3 using this tutorial/documentation: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 So far, so good. But running (venv) mailman@listserver: mailman info throws an error: sqlalchemy.exc.NoSuchModuleError: Can't load plugin: sqlalchemy.dialects:postgres First, I thought SQLAlchemy is missing, but: (venv) mailman@listserver: pip install sqlalchemy Requirement already satisfied: sqlalchemy in ./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages (2.0.4) Requirement already satisfied: typing-extensions>=4.2.0 in ./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages (from sqlalchemy) (4.5.0) Requirement already satisfied: greenlet!=0.4.17 in ./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages (from sqlalchemy) (2.0.2) How can I fix this? Thank you very much for your help. Regards

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ERROR sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) could not translate host name xxxx to address
by o.mankewitz＠gmail.com March 3, 2023

March 3, 2023

Hi! The error above occurs when starting mailman. The xxxx shows a part from the database section of mailman.cfg. I followed the tutorial https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10. But since django and postgres changed some things, I had to fix some files of mailman3 to get it working. This is the part of mailman.cfg: [database] class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase url: postgresql://mailman:<mypassword>@localhost/mailman Full error: sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) could not translate host name "assword>@localhost" to address: Name or service not known How can I fix this? Thank you very much for your help. Regards,

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Postfix problem with imported Mailman2 list
by mailman3＠outofoptions.net March 3, 2023

March 3, 2023

I installed and tested Mailman3. I imported a Mailman2 list. All looks good but I get this error. Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table; from=<hit(a)options.org> to=<atm(a)alist.net> The aliases seem to show up find in the GUI for the control panel software I use. Postfix virual file has a mapping of atm to atm(a)alist.net . It seems mailman at least sees the connection. From the smtp.log under mailman: `Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) recip: atm(a)alist.net Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) Data: b'DATA' Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) Data: b'QUIT' Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) connection lost Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) Connection lost during _handle_client() Mar 02 10:53:13 2023 (1242405) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin)`

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GSOC 2023 mentors
by Stephen J. Turnbull Feb. 27, 2023

Feb. 27, 2023

Hi everybody We still have no mentors for GSOC 2023. Last chance to sign up (with the Python Software Foundation org) is Feb 25. - You don't need to be a Mailman core dev or a Python guru. - Generic mail geeks welcome. - Code spelunking (ie, "grepping for error messages") is very desirable. - Some Python, obviously. - Experience using and preferably administering Mailman. - Opinions about existing bugs and new features a must, of course! ;-) Requires a couple hours a week, somewhat irregularly, from secondary mentors (you), more like 5-10 from primary mentor (me, and you if the bus factor comes into play). Anybody interested, let me know. If you have questions about it, please respond on-list so others can see. Steve

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Messages not picking up header or footer template
by benjamin＠tougshire.com Feb. 27, 2023

Feb. 27, 2023

Hi I can't figure out how to get headers or footers on my messages Example: I create a footer in Postorius. The name in the form is '[list:member:regular:footer] - The footer for a regular (non-digest) message.' The data is 'Test Footer' I can see the entry in the database with the uri: http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/testing.comms.sdcvirginia… I can do a wget on that uri and download a copy of the footer, and it looks right But when I send a message to the list and the message is forwarded, the footer isn't on the messages that members receive Looking at mailman.log, I cannot see any attempt to access the footer. I can see connections to the REST API (config, roster/owner, roster/moderator) that correspond to the time I sent the message So what am I doing wrong? Thank you Ben

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Error downloading CSV for 1,300 members
by Jose Bernal Feb. 23, 2023

Feb. 23, 2023

Any suggestions on troubleshooting downloading a modest-size CSV file for a list with 1,300 members? Clicking "CSV Export" on smaller lists works fine, but on this larger list I get this error in mailman-web.log: Thu Feb 23 10:03:32 2023 - uwsgi_response_write_body_do(): Broken pipe [core/writer.c line 429] during GET /mailman3/postorius/lists/ members.list.ocdla.org/csv_view/ (172.31.54.89) OSError: write error --------------------- José Bernal Web/Application Engineer Cell 541-228-8481 jbernal.web.dev(a)gmail.com

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MM3 templates
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 16, 2023

Feb. 16, 2023

I followed this: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/901 I created a similar template which I placed in /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ I also restarted Mailman. However, when I test, the mail I get is not what I expected. The template used is different than the one referenced above. <CUT> From: < kictanet-confirm+e486c811933b179525ed673751e9b817c4b4b2e4(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 4:01 PM Subject: Your confirmation is needed to join the kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke mailing list. To: OdhiamboW <myaddress(a)outlook.com> Email Address Registration Confirmation Hello, this is the GNU Mailman server at lists.kictanet.or.ke. We have received a registration request for the email address myaddress(a)outlook.com Before you can start using GNU Mailman at this site, you must first confirm that this is your email address. You can do this by replying to this message. Or you should include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke: confirm e486c811933b179525ed673751e9b817c4b4b2e4 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers. If you do not wish to register this email address, simply disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, you may contact kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke </CUT> The part that has the URL from the referenced template is here. 1. Where is this template that the system used and can I edit it? 2. Why is it not using the template I created? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Multi-domain oddities in Hyperkitty and Postorius
by Jeremy Stanley Feb. 16, 2023

Feb. 16, 2023

In the OpenDev Collaboratory we've got a bunch of separate Mailman 2.1 vhosts we've started migrating into a single Mailman 3.3.7 server, desiring to take full advantage of its improved multi-domain support. For the most part everything is working great (kudos to everyone who maintains the software and documentation, it's excellent). One of the things our users noticed fairly quickly was Hyperkitty on the second vhost was incorrectly showing the FQDN of the first vhost near the top of its pages. This is covered in the FAQ of course, and seems to imply that what we want is to switch the SITE_ID from 1 to 0 in our settings.py in order to take advantage of magic domain-guessing behavior. So far so good. Unfortunately, SITE_ID = 0 seems to explicitly require the addition of "mail hosts" (or "mail domains" from Django's perspective), and all the web routing returns error pages for any list sites besides the first one since, by default, our server did not have these predefined. What's odd is that, if I log into Postorius as admin and visit the "manage domains" page, suddenly the database gets populated with mail hosts for all of the FQDNs associated with our imported mailing lists. I would not have expected merely visiting that page as an admin to have a side effect of adding entries for the "missing" mail hosts, is that an intentional behavior or merely a bug? Once these entries are automatically added by visiting that page, they're all associated with the one "web host" ("site" in Django) we have for the server, and now the list filtering functionality in Postorius breaks and any of the vhosts all display the full set of mailing lists on the server rather than only those associated with a particular vhost (note that this seems to only be confusing Postorius, Hyperkitty has them correctly filtered still). Okay, so it looks like this is because the mail hosts are all tied to the one web host. We can create additional "sites" in the Django admin UI and then switch the association of the mail hosts to those distinct web hosts. But after doing so, the first vhost still seems to show an unfiltered list of all lists in Postorius (Hyperkitty continues to be fine), while Postorius on the other vhosts correctly shows their filtered sets of lists instead. I also noticed when mailman-web is starting up, its log claims the first site is being set as the "default domain," so have to wonder if that's related to this behavior. Should we create an extra web host to serve as the "default" so that all our typical vhosts get the expected list filtering behavior, or am I completely off-base and there's a much better approach I've missed? Sorry this is so long, I feel like I have at most a tenuous grasp of the details and variables involved, but hopefully it makes sense to someone. Thanks in advance for any recommendations or guidance. -- Jeremy Stanley

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Multiple domain problem
by Lars Bjørndal Feb. 14, 2023

Feb. 14, 2023

Hi, list! I have lists on two domains, example1.com and example2.com. The mail interface works perfectly. However, connecting a browser to example1.com, I get the title List index - example1.com, and the web interface seems to work fine. If I connect to example2.com, the title is example2.com, without the preceding List index. And the body says Page not found. I can't find anything in the logs that tells me the reason. SITE_ID is set to 0. Any idea? Thanks in advance, Lars

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Templates location on the file system
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 14, 2023

Feb. 14, 2023

I am reading this: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/901#note_578684415 However, I cannot make heads or tails on what is meant by <LC>. Please help :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Mailman-web showing "An error occurred while processing your request."
by C. Souza Feb. 9, 2023

Feb. 9, 2023

I'm trying to manage 2 held messages in a specific list and I'm getting this error below when I click on /held_messages. It never happened before. My versions are: (venv) [mailman@listas ~]$ pip list -o | grep -E 'posto|hyper|mailma|djang' Package Version Latest Type ------------------- --------- ---------- ----- django-allauth 0.44.0 0.52.0 sdist django-appconf 1.0.4 1.0.5 wheel django-compressor 2.4 4.3.1 wheel django-extensions 3.1.0 3.2.1 wheel django-haystack 3.0 3.2.1 sdist django-mailman3 1.3.5 1.3.9 sdist django-picklefield 3.0.1 3.1 wheel django-q 1.3.4 1.3.9 wheel djangorestframework 3.12.2 3.14.0 wheel mailman 3.3.2 3.3.8 sdist mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 1.2.1 sdist mailman-web 0.0.3 0.0.5 wheel mailmanclient 3.3.2 3.3.5 sdist postorius 1.3.3 1.3.8 sdist ==> mailmanweb.log <== ERROR 2023-02-08 16:01:30,149 1516 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/mylist.domain.com/held_messages Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 21, in _wrapped_view return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 60, in wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 531, in list_moderation return render(request, 'postorius/lists/held_messages.html', context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 19, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 62, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 309, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 209, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 986, in render output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 697, in resolve new_obj = func(obj, *arg_vals) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/templatetags/date_helpers.py", line 30, in datetime_parse return parse_datetime(value) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/utils/dateparse.py", line 107, in parse_datetime match = datetime_re.match(value) TypeError: expected string or bytes-like object

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Installed but mailman reports missing hyperkitty module
by jbernal.web.dev＠gmail.com Feb. 9, 2023

Feb. 9, 2023

I've opted for the Mailman3 package installation on Ubuntu 22 LTS on top of a manually installed Mailman3 core package from the Ubuntu 20 Debian repository. Everything is working great on my installation. However, if I try to enable hyperkitty in /etc/mailman.cfg postorius reports 500 status codes on all pages. /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log reports this error: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman3_hyperkitty' Any idea why postorius can't seem to find the installed hyperkitty module? Stack trace: 2023-02-08 12:48:14 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/test.listdev.ocdla.org/archivers => Traceback (most recent call last): File "falcon/app.py", line 361, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 405, in on_get archiver_set = IListArchiverSet(self._mlist) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 156, in adapter_hook return sitemanager.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/registry.py", line 354, in queryAdapter return self.adapters.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 614, in __init__ for archiver in config.archivers: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 280, in archivers archiver = call_name(class_path) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 69, in call_name named_callable = find_name(dotted_name) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 52, in find_name module = import_module(module_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1050, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1027, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1004, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman3_hyperkitty'

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settings sanity check
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 8, 2023

Feb. 8, 2023

Does mailman-web do sanity checks in settings.py? Suppose I have the following: Q_CLUSTER = { 'name': 'mailman3-web', 'workers': 8, 'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', } Q_CLUSTER = { 'retry': 320, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', } Which setting will it go with? And why doesn't it complain about a setting being made 2x? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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can not search Chinese characters correctly
by gnuplone＠qq.com Feb. 7, 2023

Feb. 7, 2023

when the searched character are in a long Chinese phrase. e.g., search "北京" in "北京是中华人民共和国的首都，有悠久的历史，是世界上人口最多的超级城市之一。" will get 0 result.

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Verification links to localhost
by Lars Bjørndal Feb. 6, 2023

Feb. 6, 2023

The verification link I get back when trying to add an account, referes to localhost, e.g. To confirm this is correct, go to https://localhost:8000/accounts/confirm-email/Mw:1... Where do I change that? Thanks in advance, Lars

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Monthly Password Reminders
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 3, 2023

Feb. 3, 2023

Does MM3 send these monthly subscription reminders the way MM2 used to do? I am looking for the setting, but can't find that in the list settings. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Confirm subscription via URL?
by Johannes Rohr Feb. 3, 2023

Feb. 3, 2023

Dear all, in Mailman2, the email that is sent out to the subscriber for them to confirm their subscription contained a clickable URL. In mailman 3, the default templace for this action doesn't have this option. Is the functionality still there but has to be added to the template? If so, what is the scheme? Thanks! Johannes

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changeaddress command and nonmembers
by Mike Wertheim Feb. 2, 2023

Feb. 2, 2023

I recently upgraded a Mailman 2 installation (which included a number of email lists) to Mailman 3.3.3. There is one human user who in the past has used two different email addresses. Let's call them oldaddress(a)hotmail.com and newaddress(a)gmail.com. This person used to participate on an email list using oldaddress(a)hotmail.com (both posting and receiving). He then unsubscribed oldaddress(a)hotmail.com from the list and then subscribed to the email list as newaddress(a)gmail.com. All of this happened while using Mailman 2. Now that we're on Mailman 3 and the email list was migrated from MM2 to MM3, we see that newaddress(a)gmail.com is a Member of the list, and we see that oldaddress(a)hotmail.com is a NonMember of the list. That all makes sense. But now, this person has decided that they actually want to go back to using the old address. So I ran the command "mailman changeaddress newaddress(a)gmail.com oldaddress(a)hotmail.com". But that gave me this output: Usage: mailman changeaddress [OPTIONS] OLD_ADDRESS NEW_ADDRESS Try 'mailman changeaddress -h' for help. Error: Address oldaddress(a)hotmail.com already exists; can't change. Can anyone explain how I can do what I'm trying to accomplish? (Also, why is this error displaying the usage message? That seems odd, since the number and type of arguments was correct.)

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Improve logging?
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

Some entries in the log files can be very scary, while in actual sense they are harmless. Such inconsequential, but scary entiess can mess up the well-being of a SysAdmin. I humbly request for the logs related to posts by non-members to a MM3 list to be improved a little bit :-) Here is the example in mailman.log: <cut> Jan 31 10:03:54 2023 (92481) DISCARD: < 2a1c588a6ccd47abbf57ee5fc61c9946(a)phellineconsultancy.co.ke>; ['The message is not from a list member'] [31/Jan/2023:10:04:48 +0300] "GET /3.1/users/1bad08f703fe4bc0a829f4bdce10fc8f HTTP/1.1" 200 253 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [31/Jan/2023:10:04:48 +0300] "GET /3.1/users/1bad08f703fe4bc0a829f4bdce10fc8f/addresses HTTP/1.1" 200 473 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Jan 31 10:18:09 2023 (92343) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 476, in _step_send_confirmation raise StopIteration StopIteration </cut> Is there a possibility to change the logging engine to just *fold* the last 7 lines into "The message is not from a list member. It was discarded", or something close? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search
by Johannes Rohr Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

Hello everyone! below is a "permission denied" error I get when trying to perform a fulltext search. -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search Datum: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 10:30:14 -0000 Von: johannes(a)rohr.org An: johannes(a)rohr.org Internal Server Error: /archives/search PermissionError at /archives/search [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'fulltext_index' Request Method: GET Request URL: http://lists.*****.org/archives/search?mlist=pinnwand%40lists.*****&q=medit… Django Version: 4.1.5 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.10.6 Python Path: ['.', '', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python310.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.10', '/usr/lib/python3.10/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages'] Server time: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:30:14 +0100 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/search.py", line 88, in search emails = paginate( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 71, in paginate objects = paginator.page(page_num) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 75, in page number = self.validate_number(number) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 53, in validate_number if number > self.num_pages: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 57, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 102, in num_pages if self.count == 0 and not self.allow_empty_first_page: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 57, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 96, in count return c() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/query.py", line 527, in count return len(self) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/query.py", line 82, in __len__ self._result_count = self.query.get_count() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 658, in get_count self.run() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 593, in run results = self.backend.search(final_query, **search_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 32, in wrapper return func(obj, query_string, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 412, in search self.setup() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 133, in setup os.makedirs(self.path) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/os.py", line 225, in makedirs mkdir(name, mode) Exception Type: PermissionError at /archives/search Exception Value: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'fulltext_index' Raised during: hyperkitty.views.search.search I don't understand what the cause for the "permission denied" could be. The directory "fulltext_index" is owned by mailman:mailman Does anyone have a hint? I did some googling for the error, but to no avail, unfortunately. Thanks! Johannes

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No option 'postmap_command' in section: 'postfix'
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

The documentation <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…> says that I need to create /path/to/postfix-mailman.cfg containing: [postfix] transport_file_type: regex Then append the path to the [mta] section of mailman.cfg, viz: [mta]incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTPoutgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliverlmtp_host: mail.example.comlmtp_port: 8024smtp_host: mail.example.comsmtp_port: 25configuration: /path/to/postfix-mailman.cfg That is exactly what I have done on my test platform, but I get the error below when creating a list. Perhaps I overlooked something? (venv) lists% mailman create mylist(a)lists.wash.lan Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/configparser.py", line 789, in get value = d[option] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/collections/__init__.py", line 941, in __getitem__ return self.__missing__(key) # support subclasses that define __missing__ File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/collections/__init__.py", line 933, in __missing__ raise KeyError(key) KeyError: 'postmap_command' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1657, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_lists.py", line 188, in create mlist = create_list(fqdn_listname, owners) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/lifecycle.py", line 102, in create_list call_name(config.mta.incoming).create(mlist) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 70, in call_name return named_callable(*args, **kws) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 87, in __init__ self.postmap_command = mta_config.get('postfix', 'postmap_command') File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/configparser.py", line 792, in get raise NoOptionError(option, section) configparser.NoOptionError: No option 'postmap_command' in section: 'postfix' -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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MM3 to MM3 migration
by David Newman Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

I’m looking to migrate several mailing lists from one server running MM3/Django/Hyperkitty to another. Same operating system and python environment and venvs for both. Although the canonical hostnames for the two servers will differ, I can use the same hostnames for lists once I’ve got everything set up. Is this really as simple as building the new server, creating the same lists on the new server, and rsync’ing the archives from the old server? If not, how to do the migration? I checked the archives and saw many threads on MM2 -> MM3, but did not see anything on MM3 migration. Thanks in advance. dn

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Must every Moderator/Admin be member of a list to be able to use Postorius?
by mm3-omf＠sh.werbittewas.de Jan. 31, 2023

Jan. 31, 2023

we're using debian/devuan with distribution-mailman3 and tried to add admin/mod for a list, but if logging in as this user, there's no item to manage the list at all. do we have to add this user as member of this list? (that wouldn't be nice, because the user doesn't want to get normal Mails from List, but only admin-Mails) regards omf

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Language switch
by Massimiliano Paragnani Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Hi, I can't set other languages in MM3 web. I did it https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… I tried to add language cose in settings_local.py and in mailman.cfg but nothing happens How can I do?

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New Installation of MM3 is not archiving
by Onyeibo Oku Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Greetings, I finally completed installation of Mailman 3 following the instructions here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… I got a lot of support from this mailing-list too and I am mighty grateful for that. My new MM3 instance does not seem to be archiving. List subscribers are currently sending and receiving mails on their subscribed lists. However, none of the correspondence is showing up at https://mailing-list-site.tld/archives/. That page shows a listing of the active mailing-lists with '0 participants' and '0 discussions'. Whereas, those lists contain mails. How do I troubleshoot this?

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About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification
by Onyeibo Oku Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Good Morning Everyone, I installed and managed mailman 2 for about two years. I am now ready to try Mailman 3. The documentation for version 2 was lucid and this forum was quite helpful in the past. Now I'd like to proceed with installating MM3 but I doubt my understanding of the docs. It seems to assume that users will know what to do. Okay, don't laugh! I just want to be sure what I am doing. Does the following sequence resemble the proper steps? 1. Download the source from a git repo (I understood that one) 2. Create a virtual environment (venv perhaps ... not stated explicitly) 3. activate the virtual environment 4. from the git project root, run: ./mailman start I know, its stupid. I had to ask. It would really build my confidence someone would confirm the above steps or counter then with something very explicit. What about process ownership? Do I need to have a unix mailman user? What else do I need to get mailman up and running before proceeding to configuration. Ahaa! I perused the config docs a bit. Where can I find the .cfg file? I hope these questions are not too annoying. Regards Onyeibo

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long time user of mailman 2, new to docker-mailman and docker
by pjbondi＠systemdatabase.com Jan. 29, 2023

Jan. 29, 2023

Hello to all: I'm getting this stack trace with the following redacted settings. # ALLOWED_HOSTS * # DEBUG True # HYPERKITTY_API_KEY llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll # MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL xxxxxxx(a)yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.com # MAILMAN_HOSTNAME mailman-web # MM_HOSTNAME yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.ca # MTA postfix # SECRET_KEY kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk # SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.ca # SMTP_HOST smtp-relay.sendinblue.com # SMTP_HOST_PASSWORD pppppppppppppppp # SMTP_HOST_USER xxxxxxx(a)yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.com # SMTP_PORT 587 # SMTP_USE_TLS True # [very long startup snipped] Applying postorius.0001_initial... OK Applying postorius.0002_auto_20160210_0721... OK Applying postorius.0003_drop_addressconfirmationprofile... OK Applying postorius.0004_create_email_template... OK Applying postorius.0005_auto_20180707_1107... OK Applying postorius.0006_auto_20180711_1359... OK Applying postorius.0007_auto_20180712_0536... OK Applying postorius.0008_auto_20190310_0717... OK Applying postorius.0009_auto_20190508_1604... OK Applying postorius.0010_auto_20190821_0621... OK Applying postorius.0011_auto_20191109_1219... OK Applying postorius.0012_auto_20200420_2136... OK Applying postorius.0013_auto_20201116_0058... OK Applying sessions.0001_initial... OK Applying sites.0002_alter_domain_unique... OK Setting systemdatabase.ca as the default domain ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 383, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) sqlite3.OperationalError: no such table: django_site The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 381, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 375, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 323, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 364, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/commands/shell.py", line 86, in handle exec(options['command']) File "<string>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 741, in update rows = query.get_compiler(self.db).execute_sql(CURSOR) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1471, in execute_sql cursor = super().execute_sql(result_type) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1142, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 67, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers(sql, params, many=False, executor=self._execute) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 76, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 89, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 383, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) django.db.utils.OperationalError: no such table: django_site

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Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search
by Dave Hall Jan. 29, 2023

Jan. 29, 2023

Hello, Please pardon a slightly off-topic comment, but I would like to highlight a part of Odhiambo's post. Heavily nested inline replies also reflect the issue I wish to comment on, so I'm not going to. Granted, I am a slow learner, and perhaps already so mixed up after reading > the myriad HOWTOs for > installing MM3 that are available online. I am tempted to say there are > many like me who are likely to > miss "where to obtain" other settings from. and > Is it possible to modify the documentation to somehow make it obvious (in a > language that a layman can easily understand, I have seen this with several open source projects lately. There's no big picture, just 'hundreds' of cross-linked little bits of disjointed information that almost seem like documentation for individual modules. I once joined a large commercial project for a major US computer company (sorry, I won't share details). They were quite proud of their extensive documentation. The docs for their equivalent of the kernel syscall interface, when printed (two-sided) and stacked, would easily approach 2 meters tall. Yet, every bit of it was incomprehensible unless and until you called the developer and had them explain it to you. The problem that we all have, us humans, is that when we are very familiar with something, like the code we've been working on, it is very hard to describe its purpose to somebody who knows nothing about it. ("It's obvious to me, so it should be obvious to you."). So, a challenge for us all: When writing and reviewing your documentation, imagine that you're explaining your whole project face-to-face to your grandmother, or to anybody who never learned to program. From experience I promise that it's easy once you get the hang of it. Thank you and sorry for the speech. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 2:54 AM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 9:34 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > On 1/27/23 05:53, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 11:48 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> Note that when following > > >> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html you > create > > >> /etc/mailman3/settings.py and it contains > > >> ``` > > >> from mailman_web.settings.base import * > > >> from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > > >> ``` > > >> to establish a base set of settings that can be augmented or > overridden > > >> in /etc/mailman3/settings.py. mailman_web.settings.mailman in turn > > contains > > >> ``` > > >> HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { > > >> 'default': { > > >> 'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', > > >> 'PATH': "fulltext_index", > > >> ``` > > >> which is a relative path for fulltext_index and may need to be set to > an > > >> absolute path. > > >> > > > > > > Mi Mark, > > > > > > I have read this page - > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html and > further > > - > > > > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-config > > > - without clicking any external links. > > > I still don't see the HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS in the settings.py included > > on > > > that page. > > > I am missing something obvious, no? > > > > > > Please reread what I wrote above. HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS is not in the > > suggested settings.py but it is in mailman_web.settings.mailman and is > > imported by the suggested settings.py. > > > I have reread what you wrote now and I'm beginning to get the hang of this > method. > My observation is that it can only be _obvious_ to someone very familiar > with Python config > to decipher that *additional* settings *that can be augmented or > overridden > in /etc/mailman3/settings.py* can be obtained from: > /PATH-TO/mailman_web/settings/{base|mailman}.py after they have noticed > these two lines in > the sample settings given in /etc/mailman3/settings.py: > > from mailman_web.settings.base import *from > mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > > [At first instance, it is not obvious that mailman_web.settings.base and > mailman_web.settings.mailman are > actually paths in Python - which magically translates to > mailman_web/settings/base.py and mailman_web/settings/mailman.py] > Granted, I am a slow learner, and perhaps already so mixed up after reading > the myriad HOWTOs for > installing MM3 that are available online. I am tempted to say there are > many like me who are likely to > miss "where to obtain" other settings from. > For example, my mind all along has been tuned to having a settings_local.py > for overriding the settings.py. > However, with this particular documentation, it would appear that > everything is intended to just go into /etc/mailman3/settings.py. > > Is it possible to modify the documentation to somehow make it obvious (in a > language that a layman can easily understand, > that those two "import *" _DO establish a base set of settings that can be > augmented or overridden in /etc/mailman3/settings.py_ > and that those settings are in what file(s) ? > > I am not saying @Johannes Rohr <johannes(a)rohr.org> is a layman like me, > but > I think that is what hit him. > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to kdhall(a)binghamton.edu >

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EMWD/Affinity/Empathy in 2023
by jaboyib556＠v3dev.com Jan. 29, 2023

Jan. 29, 2023

Hi all, We're exploring Mailman 3 and the custom interfaces provided by EMWD's Affinity and Empathy look very interesting: https://www.mailmanhost.com/affinity-mailman/ However, I saw reports of EMWD being a one-man show and the owner sadly passing away in 2021; but I've also seen threads here referring to the Affinity and Empathy projects in 2022. It wasn't clear to me if EMWD is still an active business and Affinity and Empathy are still active offerings. Does anyone here have any direct contact/relationship/experience with EMWD/Affinity/Empathy following the owner's passing? Or knowledge of any other offerings publicly available today that are similar to Affinity/Empathy? Thanks!

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Can't see held messages
by Massimiliano Paragnani Jan. 27, 2023

Jan. 27, 2023

Hi everybody, I've a new installation in my own vps. Everything works if I set "Deliver immediately" but if I turn on the "hold for moderation" I can't see the mails in web interface and I can't confirm the delivery or discard. What information do you need to help me?

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MM attaches mime-attachments to mail as text file since update to 3.3.8
by Stefan Bauer Jan. 25, 2023

Jan. 25, 2023

Dear Users & Developers, we're running MM3 on Ubuntu 22 and used the venv-installation method. Last week we updated via¹ to Mailman Core-Version GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API-Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python-Version 3.10.6 (main, Nov 14 2022, 16:10:14) [GCC 11.3.0] and now mailman attaches mime-attachments to email as text-files. That breaks many mails in our environment. For example: Now we have attachments like smime.p7s + ATT000001.txt as well as what looks like MM footers "mailing list --- test@domain ... To unsubscripbe send an email to ..." How can we get the "old" processing back? Thank you alot. Stefan

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Localisation of web interface gone after OS upgrade
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 20, 2023

Jan. 20, 2023

Dear all, I just upgraded our server from Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04. Mailman is installed in virtualenv, so it shouldn't be affected by the upgrade. Am I right about that? However, the strange thing is that most, albeit not all of the localisation is gone, the web interface is now mostly in English. Still, I reinstalled venv, mailman and hyperkitty, but no change. I also re-ran the four commands * mailman-web migrate * mailman-web collectstatic * mailman-web compress * mailman-web compilemessages just to be sure, but that didn't change things either. Is there something in Ubuntu 22.04 that kills the localisation? Thanks! Johannes

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Updated script for checking and fixing mbox files.
by Mark Sapiro Jan. 20, 2023

Jan. 20, 2023

Mailman 2.1 has a cleanarch script for checking mbox files for unescaped `From `lines in message bodies and optionally fixing them. For some time, there has been a stand-alone python3 version of this script at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/cleanarch3 (mirrored at https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/cleanarch3) I have just updated this script to check and optionally fix bad Date: headers. I have also added it at https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/contrib/clea… for the next release. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Using it with the "smtp2go" email relay service that has special deliverability rules
by golden_rock＠hotmail.com Jan. 19, 2023

Jan. 19, 2023

Hi, Smtp2Go relay service enforces a few rules for deliverability: The From: address domain has to be verified in smtp2go The sender envelope address also has to be verified in smtp2go So emails sent by mailman don't get relayed because mailman sets From: to be the original sender of the message, and it means anyone that wants to send to the list would have to approve themselves with smtp2go first, which is not workable. To make it work, I would have to have something like: Sender: bounce-address(a)lists.mailman3.org - untouched From: original.sender@gmail.com@lists.mailman3.org - change #1 having the From address to be From the list Reply-To: original.sender(a)gmail.com - change #2 - if someone replies Then smtp2go will send the email. I looked in the settings and I didn't find a readily available option to do that. I'm new to customizing mailman3 , but have been using it in production for a little more than 1 year. I've seen other software do the solution proposed above, namely DIvi contact forms set the "From" to be something @website.com and the Reply-To: as the form submitter. I am told that the standards is moving away from forging the DATA From: that doesn't have a predictable domain, and instead put the variable email address in Reply-To, for things like contact forms or automated sending. Can someone guide me on where I could start looking?

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Permission Error with /var
by Tibor Molnar Jan. 19, 2023

Jan. 19, 2023

Hi guys, During the build of mailman3 I run in to few permission errors but there is one I have got stuck with, and you may be able to help me with this. I'm following this guide https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10. var_dir: /opt/mailman/mm/var configs: /opt/mailman/mm OS: Debian 10 I'm using virtual env When try start mailman core PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' total 48 drwxrwxrwx 12 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:28 . drwxr-xr-x 7 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 17:19 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 archives drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 cache drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 data drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:28 etc drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 lists drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 15:54 locks drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 14:19 logs drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 messages drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 queue drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 16:07 templates all owned by mailman. what are hey suppose to be owned by if not mailman? Regards, Tibor

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hello， Discussion on how to subscribe to the mailing list
by 朱超 Jan. 18, 2023

Jan. 18, 2023

Hi, When I subscribe the email list in Subscription Policy is confirm, Some problems happen in here： 1.Some mail mua reject send the confirm the message, because the length of recipient is too long. for exmaple: requirements-confirm+9605556e0b35a5da280c1de0d34a3e6f770f8ea5@domain, and the mail mua reject to modify about this. 2.It is inconvenient for users to use. Many people will mistakenly think that after clicking the subscribe button, it will be successful, and they will not process the email. Regarding the discussion on the subscription method of the mailing list, should we consider optimizing the subscription method of the mailing list, for example: 1. use the method of sending a verification code to subscribe by email，When you receive the verification code sent by the mailing list and fill it in again, you can subscribe successfully。 2. use the email to send a connection to confirm the subscription，People click the link to be redirected to a confirmation page to subscribe to the email。

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mailman-web causing constant 100% cpu load of mysqld
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 16, 2023

Jan. 16, 2023

Dear all, with mailmanweb running, the CPU load of mysqld constantly hovers around 100% In /var/log/mysql/errors.log I see repeatedly: 2023-01-13 17:22:42 27198 [Warning] Aborted connection 27198 to db: 'mailman_core' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) 2023-01-13 17:27:43 29621 [Warning] Aborted connection 29621 to db: 'mailman_core' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) This also seems to affect other services such as dovecot which rely on mysql and at times can't connect to it. Does anyone have a suggestion what to do about this? Cheers, Johannes

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Error Logging - what changed with the New Year releases?
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 15, 2023

Jan. 15, 2023

Apart from all the defaults in settings.py (derived from gitlab), I also have this line: LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailmanweb.log' Before the New Year releases of MM3, I used to get errors written to this file. Not anymore after I updated to the New Year releases. Another thing that I have realized is that prior to the New Year releases, I would get an error logged to that file and also mailed to me. I don't think that I have changed anything in settings,py related to logging. I have been trying to get signup with Twitter working. This used to generate an error that was both logged and emailed, but that isn't happening anymore. I have enabled other social auth providers (in settings.py) which I haven't configured in the admin panel. I expect that tying to use these on Postorius would generate an error that is logged and mailed to admin, but that too is not happening. Just checking out what might have changed - or if I am going nuts :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Moderation request reminders
by Allan Hansen Jan. 14, 2023

Jan. 14, 2023

Hi all, I and my moderators are getting daily moderation request reminders. Is there a way to set them to be weekly instead? I looked around in the UI for it but did not see it. It started with my latest server upgrade. As list owner I get 50+ of these messages every morning and my modertors each get only one, but don't like it. I still don't see a link for my moderators to see the membership lists even though the lists are set to allow it. Is that among the planned bug fixes? Yours, Allan

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Cross-List and Domain based sender whitelisting ( accept_these_nonmembers )
by Patrick Brückner Jan. 13, 2023

Jan. 13, 2023

Hi everyone, one of our servers that was running a mailman2 instance just crashed this afternoon, so we decided to take the leap and migrate to 3, and I have to say it worked pretty well, the lists seem to be back. What I can't seem to find is the option to whitelist senders based on a domain AND on membership on a different list. The lists are operated for a smallish university and all the professors need to be allowed to send to the students list, without being member of that list. That was possible with mailman2 by just whitelisting the university domain. Also, in the past we allowed all members of the all-students list to post to any of the dorm-lists (this is mainly used for party announcements so it is not a must have), but I wanted to ask anyways, if there was a chance to allow this feature again. According to the docs, the accept_these_nonmembers option exists (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) but none of my lists have that set after the migration - the field is not even there when accessing the REST API. Do I need to enable something? Has that feature been added just recently, and we are missing out (since we are using the apt packages from ubuntu)? Thanks in advance, Patrick

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About the sender of the mailing list receiving an auto-reply email
by 朱超 Jan. 13, 2023

Jan. 13, 2023

Hi, When I use the mailing list to send emails, I receive an automatic reply email, Is there a better way to block similar automatic reply emails? From: Tom

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Error from - /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 12, 2023

Jan. 12, 2023

I have received the following error message from the hourly cron run: <quote> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin: line 7: 7475 Killed django-admin $@ </quote> I have looked at my log files, but could not find any clue. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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mailman.log file owned by 'list' user
by Mike Wertheim Jan. 12, 2023

Jan. 12, 2023

I'm on Debian 11, trying to troubleshoot an installation of Mailman 3.3.3 that was done by someone else. Mailman is running as a non-privileged (non-root) user called 'xyz'. On the day that Mailman was installed, that non-privileged 'xyz' user was able to execute mailman commands successfully to create, view and modify lists. A couple of days later, when the 'xyz' user tried running those same mailman commands, they failed with this error: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman3/mailman.log' Doing "ls -l" on the file /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log showed this: -rw-r----- 1 list list 0 Jan 6 00:00 /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log When I did a 'ps' command, I saw that all of the mailman processes are running as user 'xyz'. No processes were running as the user 'list'. It seems that some process is rotating the mailman.log file at midnight, and the newly-created mailman.log is being owned by user 'list'. Can anyone explain why this is happening, and how to fix it?

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Re: Docker or virtualenv?
by J.Schulz Jan. 10, 2023

Jan. 10, 2023

For Docker: just use the README on https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman ; this should be enough for a basic setup. Eventually, you'll need to add some things to core/mailman-extra.cfg : ___ [mailman] site_owner: help(a)elternserver.de SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 # [devmode] # enabled: yes # recipient: you(a)somewhere.com # # extra local settings for mailmen [mta] # NullMTA is just implementing the interface and thus satisfying Mailman # without doing anything fancy # outgoing: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA smtp_user: your_auth@your_MTA smtp_pass: supersecretpassword smtp_verify_hostname: yesorno smtp_secure_mode: starttls # or whatever # [logging.debug] [logging.smtp] level: warn ___ also, web/settings_local.py needs tweaking in some cases; the DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS come from my docker-compose.yml ---- import os # see https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues/548 django_allowed_hosts = os.environ.get('DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS') if django_allowed_hosts: ALLOWED_HOSTS = django_allowed_hosts.split(':') MAILMAN_WEB_SOCIAL_AUTH = [] SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = { } DEBUG = False # see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/957 DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD='django.db.models.AutoField' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'xapian_backend.XapianEngine', 'PATH': "/opt/mailman-web-data/fulltext_index", }, } ----- Am 10.01.23 um 09:11 schrieb Odhiambo Washington: > Hi Jörg, > > Kindly share the link to the HOWTO, which you use to setup everything. > I just need to test. Perhaps I can use docker on Windows, no? > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 8:58 PM Jörg Schulz <info(a)joergschulz.de> wrote: > > I have a successful installation using docker, just updated to the > most > recent version - it runs along quite some other docker containers, so > there is a benefit when I want to switch machines. > > Am 07.01.23 um 12:02 schrieb Odhiambo Washington: > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:54 PM Johannes Rohr <johannes(a)rohr.org> > wrote: > > > >> I wanted to say "I have now chosen virtualenv". Sorry for the > confusion. > >> > > I have never tried docker, but soon I will. Just for the kicks. > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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SPF check fails for lists subdomain
by Jan Eden Jan. 9, 2023

Jan. 9, 2023

Hi, my question is not related to Mailman directly, apologies for using this list. I configured the DNS records for my base domain and my lists subdomain identically (the DMARC policy records are also identical, but not listed here): MX @ mail.eden.one TXT @ "v=spf1 mx ~all" MX lists mail.eden.one TXT lists "v=spf1 mx ~all" A mail 123.123.123.123 But both Yahoo and Google report different SPF results for the two domains: <policy_published> <domain>eden.one</domain> <adkim>s</adkim> <aspf>s</aspf> <p>quarantine</p> <pct>75</pct> </policy_published> <record> <row> <source_ip>123.123.123.123</source_ip> <count>3</count> <policy_evaluated> <disposition>none</disposition> <dkim>pass</dkim> <spf>pass</spf> </policy_evaluated> </row> <policy_published> <domain>lists.eden.one</domain> <adkim>s</adkim> <aspf>s</aspf> <p>quarantine</p> <pct>75</pct> </policy_published> <record> <row> <source_ip>123.123.123.123</source_ip> <count>2</count> <policy_evaluated> <disposition>none</disposition> <dkim>pass</dkim> <spf>fail</spf> </policy_evaluated> </row> What could possibly cause this difference? The SPF test also fails for a different base domain with the same MX and SPF records. - Jan

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Out there plugin idea for tech cost sponsorship
by Steven Clift EDem Jan. 8, 2023

Jan. 8, 2023

After spending 20 years running a non-profit that hosted email lists for local communities as my day job, that's now all volunteer as I run a startup. Figuring out how to raise money to cover server costs without selling out our members with targeted social media advertising, was a continuous challenge. Anyway, today I am still involved in efforts to route around digital ad behemoths, but I a trying to help small businesses and shop for good brands gain new customers. So here is the question - do you think a Mailman add-on/plugin/module/whatever you'd call it that allowed list admins to reward their new subscribers to email lists with custom themed "for good" discounts would be of interest to many??? Normally, we (GoodCarts) reward people post-checkout with discounts in reciprocity powered circles of online stores. Stores essentially grow together by sharing customers instead of bidding against each other. The way I could see working with email list providers is basically adding an affiliate marketing style commission where purchases with post-subscription rewards would go to the partner based on results. When we go from hundreds of brand members to thousands and add in a "buy local" or brands by theme/values/impact, in theory my non-profits local online community forums could mission align by offering discounts to locally owned businesses. Our view is that exclusive discounts as rewards post transaction (purchase, email list subscription, volunteer sign-up, event registration, online petition signature, etc.) is far better than plastering ads everywhere. Anyway, I'd be curious if you think idea might have legs with Mailman list hosts/admins??? Nothing urgent, just a Saturday morning think different idea. Steven Clift

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Footer broken after migration. Where can I fix it?
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 7, 2023

Jan. 7, 2023

Dear all, after importing the lists from mailman2, almost everything works great, but the footer templates appear broken. Mails sent out contain the line %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s So clearly the old templates are not getting explanded. However, when I look in the web interface unter "templates", there is nothing there. Where are these legacy footers stored? In the DB, the table "postorius_emailtemplate" is empty. Thanks! Johannes

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Docker or virtualenv?
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 7, 2023

Jan. 7, 2023

Dear all, I have noticed that Ubuntu's current LTS no longer contains packages for mailman2 and its mailman3 packages are incomplete. So, prior to upgrading the server, I will have to migrate from mailman2 / distro packages to mailman3 installed either in virtualenv or docker. I have got zero experience with virtualenv and some experience with Docker. Overall, the docker method looks easier. Is docker the default method by now? Thanks! Johannes

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virtual_alias_domains
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 6, 2023

Jan. 6, 2023

Dear all, I have to set up mailman3 in an environment where postfix uses virtual alias domains. This is described in https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… I don't understand, though, what I need to do to have mailman generate $PREFIX/var/data/postfix_vmap I have tried to follow the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… with the purpose of setting an alias domain. However, things go sideways quickly: >>> from mailman.interfaces.domain import IDomainManager >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> manager = getUtility(IDomainManager) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 165, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) zope.interface.interfaces.ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass mailman.interfaces.domain.IDomainManager>, '') >>> So, something is missing. But, being a complete python layman, I do not know what and how I fix it. Can someone give me a headsup? That would be greatly appreciated! Johannes

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hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 6, 2023

Jan. 6, 2023

Dear all, I just installed mailman and mailman3-web in virtualenv as described in https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html Next I moved on to set up hyperkitty as described in https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/install.html. I got confused by the instructions: "Install the code Install the HyperKitty package and its dependencies with the following commands: sudo python setup.py install" Obviously this is a python script in a package that has to be downloaded from somewhere. Why? Doesn't the command pip install mailman-web mailman-hyperkitty already do the job? Apparently, there is a second way of installing hyperkitty, using virtualenv, where you have to check out the code from gitlab and install from there. However, this still doesn't look right, as hyperkitty apparently can also be installed through pip install hyperkitty But then, hyperkitty seems to be already have been pulled in by mailman-web, looking at its dependencies. If that's the case, then neither the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/install.html nor those at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/development.html are correct. Can someone enlighten me on what the canonical way is of installing and setting it up in virtualenv? Thanks a lot in advance! Johannes

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Re: Configure MM3 with separate IMAP Mailserver
by Clemens Leider Jan. 2, 2023

Jan. 2, 2023

Hi Mark, much appreciated! This is for sending messages, right? How about the recieving part…I read different things around that i need multiple mailboxes created, postfix installed, relays, ASMTPDirect etc…can you guide me a bit here, please? I havent found that one instruction that would solve this for me until now. Would just like to avoid to have to administer my own mailserver locally, if i have a perfectly configured one with my provider. CL

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Extracting mailing list users
by Jan Eden Jan. 2, 2023

Jan. 2, 2023

Hi, I would like to export users of my mailing lists including their full name (if present). The export button in Postorius creates a CSV with addresses only, and the tool bin/list_members mentioned in the [Mailman 2 FAQ] does not seem to be available in Mailman 3. I have full access to the server/database, so scraping the web interface with [Mark's script] seems unneccessary. Is there an SQL statement (or an equivalent of bin/list_members) to extract the data? Thanks, Jan [Mailman 2 FAQ]: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20extract%20%28export%29%20a%20list%… [Mark's script]: https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers3.py

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Configure MM3 with separate IMAP Mailserver
by clemens.leider＠gmail.com Jan. 2, 2023

Jan. 2, 2023

Dear all, we have managed to setup MM3 following the docker Installation concept/Tutorial. So far so good. However now i am struggeling with connecting to MTA. We are using imap server of our hosting provider.how to integrate that properly? Google was not too much of help unfortunately…looking for some tutorial or howto/step by step if possible. Thanks in advance CL

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Web UI setup
by Lars Bjørndal Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

Thanks a lot for all your valuable help! I've followed the guide at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> I need to run mailman 2 and mailman 3 in parallel until I've migrated all lists, on several domains. I created the file /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman3.conf with the content <VirtualHost *:80> ErrorLog logs/mailman3-error_log CustomLog logs/mailman3-access_log common RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off [NC] RewriteRule ^/mailman3(/.*) https://%{HTTP_HOST}/mailman3$1 [L,R=permanent] </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost *:443> ErrorLog logs/mailman3-error_log CustomLog logs/mailman3-access_log common include conf.d/certref.inc SSLEngine on </VirtualHost> <location /mailman3> ProxyPass http://localhost:8000 </location> The idea is to prepare mailman3 for several virtual domains. When I connect to lamasti.net/mailman3, the title is example.com. How can I change that? Thanks Lars

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Apache
by Lars Bjørndal Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

I have already Apache installed and running for mailman2 and other resources. How do I serve mailman3 from Apache for the respective domains? Thanks in advance Lars

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Early release of mailman 3.3.8 possible?
by Torge Riedel Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

Dear list / devs, is it possible to release 3.3.8 early? As far as I can see it is a prereq for my planned upgrade of the server from Ubuntu LTS 20.04 to Ubunto LTS 22.04. I use MySQL in my setup (own installation in venv), so my installation is affected by #1044, which is closed in 3.3.8 Also Ubuntu LTS 22.04 comes with Python 3.10 (https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=jammy&keywords=python3) where the support is also stated earliest for 3.3.8 (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.…) Am I right with my findings? I planned to upgrade the server until end of this year, because there is less traffic in the last days of a year. But I think unless 3.3.8 is not released, I cannot update the server. Kind regards Torge

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MM2 -> MM3 Migration
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

I looked at my list archives and saw that the latest post was on Dec 8, 2022. Then, because I wanted to import any posts that happened from 8th to now(), I looked at two posts: 1. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This talks about 'hyperkitty_import *--since=01.01.2022* -l mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file' 2. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2018-July/083607.html Which talks about 'hyperkitty_import *--since='1990-01-01'* -l mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file' I am concerned about the implication of the date format here, especially because our species from America write their dates differently than the British, even though the British colonized us all :P Well, I haven't looked at the manpage (--help) before posting this, and I know I should, but even without that, does Mailman speak American or British English when it comes to the date format? :-) In my case, I have done this: ' hyperkitty_import --since='2022-12-08' -l mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file' After that I ran: /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin update_index_one_listmylist@mydomain And I am hoping that I will have the posts since Dec 8 to Dec 29 showing up in my archives. However, I am not sure. Hope someone can explain to the audience. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Twitter OAuth2
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

I'd like to integrate Twitter OAuth as part of the Social Accounts in my setup. I have gone through https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/providers.html#twitter, but cannot find the config options to add to my settings. Does someone have a config block setting for "SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS =" ? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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combine postorius and hyperkitty into one Apache vhost
by Wolfgang Rosenauer Dec. 29, 2022

Dec. 29, 2022

Hi, I'm in the process to set up a new mailman3 site. (Migrating from mailman2) There are RPMs for my distribution which integrate postorius and hyperkitty with uwsgi. The provided samples assume that both are running in different vhosts what I would like to avoid. Since I couldn't find any uwsgi examples for that I'm experimenting heavily but still having issues. I might just miss a simple thing (hopefully). My current apache config: Alias "/mailman/static" "/srv/www/webapps/mailman/postorius/static" ProxyPassMatch ^/mailman/static ! ProxyPass /mailman unix:/run/uwsgi/uwsgi-postorius.sock|uwsgi://localhost-postorius/ Alias "/archives/static" "/srv/www/webapps/mailman/hyperkitty/static" ProxyPassMatch ^/archives/static ! ProxyPass /archives unix:/run/uwsgi/uwsgi-hyperkitty.sock|uwsgi://localhost-hyperkitty/ This currently assumes that postorius just gets a mailman/ prefix and hyperkitty archives/ This setup immediately fails because of the urlpatterns filter in these components. For testing purposes I changed the patterns in urls.py slightly and I could make it work for me. BUT: This cannot be the solution, can it? Isn't there an easier way to allow these components to run under a different document root? Something slightly unrelated but causing issues in some edge cases also is that Django? does not detect the request url properly. For some functionality e.g. when I want to login to Django admin under /archives/admin (even after modifying urls.py) I get a redirect after the form which shows that my initial path was not recognized as /archives/admin but /archive//admin instead. So the last character is replaced with a / Any hints for me? Thanks, Wolfgang

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hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 29, 2022

Dec. 29, 2022

I worke up to 959 such entries in my mailmanweb.log: ERROR 2022-12-27 22:49:57,732 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:49:57,784 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:05,746 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:06,022 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:06,183 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:06,273 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:06,353 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:06,435 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. What might have been the cause of this? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/
by Mohsen Masoudfar Dec. 29, 2022

Dec. 29, 2022

Hi, I am getting the following errors starting some days ago. It is unclear to me what is causing this. I searched internet, there are some similar reports that mention bugs causing this. I am running mailman3 as Ubuntu 18 package and they do not provide any update for this. Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/ ProgrammingError at /accounts/fedora/login/ relation "socialaccount_openidstore" does not exist LINE 1: SELECT COUNT(*) AS "__count" FROM "socialaccount_openidstore... ^ Request Method: GET Request URL: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flistserv2… Django Version: 1.11.11 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 2.7.17 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python2.7', '/usr/lib/python2.7/plat-x86_64-linux-gnu', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages'] Server time: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 11:01:12 -0500 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'paintstore', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.SessionAuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _legacy_get_response 249. response = self._get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 187. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 185. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in view 68. return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in dispatch 88. return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in get 59. return self.post(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in post 72. auth_request = client.begin(form.cleaned_data['openid']) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openid/consumer/consumer.py" in begin 353. return self.beginWithoutDiscovery(service, anonymous) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openid/consumer/consumer.py" in beginWithoutDiscovery 376. auth_req = self.consumer.begin(service) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openid/consumer/consumer.py" in begin 598. assoc = self._getAssociation(service_endpoint) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openid/consumer/consumer.py" in _getAssociation 1158. assoc = self.store.getAssociation(endpoint.server_url) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/openid/utils.py" in getAssociation 96. if stored_assocs.count() == 0: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in count 364. return self.query.get_count(using=self.db) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/query.py" in get_count 504. number = obj.get_aggregation(using, ['__count'])['__count'] File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/query.py" in get_aggregation 485. result = compiler.execute_sql(SINGLE) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py" in execute_sql 899. raise original_exception Exception Type: ProgrammingError at /accounts/fedora/login/ Exception Value: relation "socialaccount_openidstore" does not exist LINE 1: SELECT COUNT(*) AS "__count" FROM "socialaccount_openidstore... ^ Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: process = u'login' next = u'/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/sec_g_zoom(a)listserv2.aaas.org/message/new' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: No cookie data META: CONTEXT_DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/html' CONTEXT_PREFIX = '' DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/html' GATEWAY_INTERFACE = 'CGI/1.1' HTTPS = 'on' HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate, br' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'keep-alive' HTTP_FROM = 'googlebot(at)googlebot.com' HTTP_HOST = 'listserv2.aaas.org' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Googlebot/2.1 (+https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fbot.html&data=05%7C01%7Cmmasoudf%40aaas.org%7Cc767333920c94048355708dae823947a%7C2eebd8ff9ed140f0a15638e5dfb3bc56%7C0%7C0%7C638077536774767693%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8%2F5tgjkoHnu%2BWaHwrNVRzcJUh%2BcQ9%2BFUkmB3psMzKMU%3D&reserved=0)' PATH = '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/snap/bin' PATH_INFO = u'/accounts/fedora/login/' QUERY_STRING = 'process=login&next=%2Fmailman3%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Fsec_g_zoom%40listserv2.aaas.org%2Fmessage%2Fnew' REMOTE_ADDR = '66.249.66.53' REMOTE_PORT = '37189' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_SCHEME = 'https' REQUEST_URI = '/mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/?process=login&next=%2Fmailman3%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Fsec_g_zoom%40listserv2.aaas.org%2Fmessage%2Fnew' SCRIPT_FILENAME = 'proxy:uwsgi://localhost//accounts/fedora/login/' SCRIPT_NAME = u'/mailman3' SERVER_ADDR = '172.24.9.130' SERVER_ADMIN = 'mmasoudf(a)aaas.org' SERVER_NAME = 'listserv2.aaas.org' SERVER_PORT = '443' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.1' SERVER_SIGNATURE = '<address>Apache/2.4.29 (Ubuntu) Server at listserv2.aaas.org Port 443</address>\n' SERVER_SOFTWARE = 'Apache/2.4.29 (Ubuntu)' SSL_TLS_SNI = 'listserv2.aaas.org' uwsgi.core = 0 uwsgi.node = 'listserv2' uwsgi.version = '2.0.15-debian' wsgi.errors = <open file 'wsgi_errors', mode 'w' at 0x7fdfa1c748a0> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7fdfa1ccc710> wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'https' wsgi.version = u'(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = u"(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'mmasoudf(a)aaas.org'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['*'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = u"('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = u'********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = u'auth.User' BASE_DIR = '/usr/share/mailman3-web' CACHES = {u'default': {u'BACKEND': u'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = u'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = u'********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = u'()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = u'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = u'********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = u'' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = u'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = u'' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = u'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_COMPRESSOR = u'compressor.css.CssCompressor' COMPRESS_CSS_FILTERS = [u'compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter'] COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = u'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7fdfa1de2f50> COMPRESS_JS_COMPRESSOR = u'compressor.js.JsCompressor' COMPRESS_JS_FILTERS = [u'compressor.filters.jsmin.JSMinFilter'] COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = False COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {u'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = u'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = u'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = u'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = u"(('text/less', 'lessc {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-scss', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = u'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {u'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/mailman3/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = u'/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = u'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = u'--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = u'--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = u'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = u'' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = u'' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = u'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = u'/' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = u'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = u'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'NAME': 'mailman3web', 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'PORT': '', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'USER': 'mailman3web', 'TEST': {'COLLATION': None, 'CHARSET': None, 'NAME': None, 'MIRROR': None}, 'PASSWORD': u'********************', 'OPTIONS': {}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATETIME_FORMAT = u'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = [u'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', u'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', u'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', u'%Y-%m-%d', u'%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', u'%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', u'%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', u'%m/%d/%Y', u'%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', u'%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', u'%m/%d/%y %H:%M', u'%m/%d/%y'] DATE_FORMAT = u'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = [u'%Y-%m-%d', u'%m/%d/%Y', u'%m/%d/%y', u'%b %d %Y', u'%b %d, %Y', u'%d %b %Y', u'%d %b, %Y', u'%B %d %Y', u'%B %d, %Y', u'%d %B %Y', u'%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = u'.' DEFAULT_CHARSET = u'utf-8' DEFAULT_CONTENT_TYPE = u'text/html' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = u'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = u'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)listserv2.aaas.org' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = u'' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = u'' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAILNAME = 'listserv2.aaas.org' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = u'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = u'********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = u'' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = u'********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = u'[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_CHARSET = u'utf-8' FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = [u'django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', u'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = u'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': '/var/lib/mailman3/web/fulltext_index'}} HOSTNAME = 'localhost.local' IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = u"('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'paintstore', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora')" INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [(u'af', u'Afrikaans'), (u'ar', u'Arabic'), (u'ast', u'Asturian'), (u'az', u'Azerbaijani'), (u'bg', u'Bulgarian'), (u'be', u'Belarusian'), (u'bn', u'Bengali'), (u'br', u'Breton'), (u'bs', u'Bosnian'), (u'ca', u'Catalan'), (u'cs', u'Czech'), (u'cy', u'Welsh'), (u'da', u'Danish'), (u'de', u'German'), (u'dsb', u'Lower Sorbian'), (u'el', u'Greek'), (u'en', u'English'), (u'en-au', u'Australian English'), (u'en-gb', u'British English'), (u'eo', u'Esperanto'), (u'es', u'Spanish'), (u'es-ar', u'Argentinian Spanish'), (u'es-co', u'Colombian Spanish'), (u'es-mx', u'Mexican Spanish'), (u'es-ni', u'Nicaraguan Spanish'), (u'es-ve', u'Venezuelan Spanish'), (u'et', u'Estonian'), (u'eu', u'Basque'), (u'fa', u'Persian'), (u'fi', u'Finnish'), (u'fr', u'French'), (u'fy', u'Frisian'), (u'ga', u'Irish'), (u'gd', u'Scottish Gaelic'), (u'gl', u'Galician'), (u'he', u'Hebrew'), (u'hi', u'Hindi'), (u'hr', u'Croatian'), (u'hsb', u'Upper Sorbian'), (u'hu', u'Hungarian'), (u'ia', u'Interlingua'), (u'id', u'Indonesian'), (u'io', u'Ido'), (u'is', u'Icelandic'), (u'it', u'Italian'), (u'ja', u'Japanese'), (u'ka', u'Georgian'), (u'kk', u'Kazakh'), (u'km', u'Khmer'), (u'kn', u'Kannada'), (u'ko', u'Korean'), (u'lb', u'Luxembourgish'), (u'lt', u'Lithuanian'), (u'lv', u'Latvian'), (u'mk', u'Macedonian'), (u'ml', u'Malayalam'), (u'mn', u'Mongolian'), (u'mr', u'Marathi'), (u'my', u'Burmese'), (u'nb', u'Norwegian Bokm\xe5l'), (u'ne', u'Nepali'), (u'nl', u'Dutch'), (u'nn', u'Norwegian Nynorsk'), (u'os', u'Ossetic'), (u'pa', u'Punjabi'), (u'pl', u'Polish'), (u'pt', u'Portuguese'), (u'pt-br', u'Brazilian Portuguese'), (u'ro', u'Romanian'), (u'ru', u'Russian'), (u'sk', u'Slovak'), (u'sl', u'Slovenian'), (u'sq', u'Albanian'), (u'sr', u'Serbian'), (u'sr-latn', u'Serbian Latin'), (u'sv', u'Swedish'), (u'sw', u'Swahili'), (u'ta', u'Tamil'), (u'te', u'Telugu'), (u'th', u'Thai'), (u'tr', u'Turkish'), (u'tt', u'Tatar'), (u'udm', u'Udmurt'), (u'uk', u'Ukrainian'), (u'ur', u'Urdu'), (u'vi', u'Vietnamese'), (u'zh-hans', u'Simplified Chinese'), (u'zh-hant', u'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = [u'he', u'ar', u'fa', u'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = u'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = u'/' LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'loggers': {'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'propagate': True, 'level': 'INFO'}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'propagate': True, 'level': 'INFO'}, 'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'propagate': True, 'level': 'INFO'}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['file'], 'propagate': True, 'level': 'INFO'}}, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'handlers': {'console': {'formatter': 'simple', 'class': 'logging.StreamHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'formatter': 'verbose', 'class': 'logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler', 'filename': '/var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log'}, 'mail_admins': {'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'level': 'ERROR'}}, 'formatters': {'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}, 'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}}, 'version': 1, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = u'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = u"('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = u'********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = u'********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = u'********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = u'********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = u'' MEDIA_URL = u'' MESSAGE_STORAGE = u'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = None MIDDLEWARE_CLASSES = u"('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.SessionAuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = u'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = u'********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = u'********************' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'orm': 'default', 'save_limit': 100, 'timeout': 300} ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' SECRET_KEY = u'********************' SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = False SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)listserv2.aaas.org' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = u'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = u'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = u'/' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = u'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = u'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = u'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = u'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {} STATICFILES_DIRS = u'()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = u"('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = u'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/mailman3/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}, 'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates'}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = u'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = u',' TIME_FORMAT = u'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = [u'%H:%M:%S', u'%H:%M:%S.%f', u'%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_ETAGS = False USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = u'SAMEORIGIN' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = u'F Y' Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar

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Approve an email
by Lars Bjørndal Dec. 28, 2022

Dec. 28, 2022

Hi, list! I'm on Fedora 36 with the packages mailman3-3.3.4-6.fc36.noarch and postorius-1.3.6-2.fc36.noarch installed. with the command sudo -u mailman mailman3 create <listname> I was able to create a list. I'm not able to find out how to setup and configure the postorius package. There's no mailman-web command. Hyperkitty will not installed du to a dependency conflict, but I dont need archiving for the list. Here comes my quesitons: - What's the easiest way to approve an email sent to the list? - How can I configure the list to accept messages also from non members? - How can I setup postorius to work on Fedora? I have django-admin, but I'm not sure where to go. Thanks in advance, Lars

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Apache+mod_wsgi issue
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 27, 2022

Dec. 27, 2022

Still on my MM3 learning path. I mostly have everything running without errors - even uwsgi is starting without errors after I followed the fix from the discussion at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I have standardized all the files in /opt/mailman/mm/ because this is FreeBSD and our configs for user-installed apps are usually supposed to go to /usr/local/etc/. My VHOST configuration is the exact replica of https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At… with the only change being the Python version from 3.6 to 3.9. My challenge now is to get Apache+mod_uwsgi to serve my pages, but I am hitting the error below which has gotten me stuck. Thanking you in advance for your advice on how to overcome this. [Thu Dec 22 14:21:22.758277 2022] [wsgi:info] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] mod_wsgi (pid=4288, process='mailman-web', application='mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke|/mailman3'): Loading Python script file '/opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py'. [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.039999 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] mod_wsgi (pid=4288): Failed to exec Python script file '/opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py'. [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040054 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] mod_wsgi (pid=4288): Exception occurred processing WSGI script '/opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py'. [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040841 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] Traceback (most recent call last): [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040914 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py", line 38, in <module> [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040921 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] application = get_wsgi_application() [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040929 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/wsgi.py", line 12, in get_wsgi_application [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040934 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] django.setup(set_prefix=False) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040941 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 19, in setup [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040945 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] configure_logging(settings.LOGGING_CONFIG, settings.LOGGING) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040952 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 92, in __getattr__ [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040957 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] self._setup(name) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040964 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 79, in _setup [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040968 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040975 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 190, in __init__ [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040979 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040986 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040990 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040997 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1030, in _gcd_import [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.041004 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1007, in _find_and_load [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.041012 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 984, in _find_and_load_unlocked [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.041064 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings' -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Errors while importing mm2 list archives
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 23, 2022

Dec. 23, 2022

MM3-3.3.7, Hyperkitty-1.3.6 While importing, I encountered several of this error: <CUT> MySQLdb.OperationalError: (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x98\\x8A, ...' for column 'content' at row 1") The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 232, in from_mbox add_to_list(self.list_address, message) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py", line 153, in add_to_list email.save() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 812, in save self.save_base( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 863, in save_base updated = self._save_table( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 1006, in _save_table results = self._do_insert( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 1047, in _do_insert return manager._insert( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1791, in _insert return query.get_compiler(using=using).execute_sql(returning_fields) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1660, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 67, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 80, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 89, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 91, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 89, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 75, in execute return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 206, in execute res = self._query(query) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 319, in _query db.query(q) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 254, in query _mysql.connection.query(self, query) django.db.utils.OperationalError: (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x98\\x8A, ...' for column 'content' at row 1") </CUT> That occurred several times, but the import process went all the way, to 99% then came to the point below. Message 253d9d44-cc3e-fed1-144b-34da88c52b39(a)emailplus.org failed to import, skipping Computing thread structure Synchronizing properties with Mailman 904 emails left to refresh, checked 0 764 emails left to refresh, checked 0 Warming up cache Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(execute_from_command_line()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 402, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 448, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 411, in handle call_command("hyperkitty_warm_up_cache", list_address) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 198, in call_command return command.execute(*args, **defaults) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 448, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_warm_up_cache.py", line 53, in handle self.warm_up_mlist(mlist, options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_warm_up_cache.py", line 61, in warm_up_mlist for thread in mlist.recent_threads: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py", line 162, in recent_threads return self.cached_values["recent_threads"]() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py", line 58, in __call__ return self.get_or_set(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py", line 317, in get_or_set return [Thread.objects.get(pk=pk) for pk in thread_ids] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py", line 317, in <listcomp> return [Thread.objects.get(pk=pk) for pk in thread_ids] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 650, in get raise self.model.DoesNotExist( hyperkitty.models.thread.Thread.DoesNotExist: Thread matching query does not exist. (venv) [mailman@gw ~/mm]$ Should I take it that the import was successful, or what should I do next? PS: This is the 1st run after installing MM3 on this server and the MM3 list hasn't gone live. So if anything, I am okay with doing what needs to be done and rerun the import. TIA -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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No Archives
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 22, 2022

Dec. 22, 2022

I am working on a migration from MM2 to MM3. My MM2 lists are domiciled at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ To work on the web UI for MM3, I created a subdomain - mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke. I have mostly done everything, including importing the archives. However, when I access https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/, it's all empty. However, when I visit https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/lists/, I can see my list. In Postorius, the site name is lists.kictanet.or.ke (same with mail domain). I have SITE_ID = 3 in both settings*.py and have restarted both Apache and Gunicorn. Could this be due to the fact that I am accessing the site using a domain name different than what the actual site is? Or there is something minor I am missing? PS: I am wondering also why SITE_ID=3 when I only added one site, besides the default example.com. If need be, I am willing to blow away the whole virtualenv and start afresh. It's a good step towards mastering the installation of MM3 :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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message awaits moderator approval´
by Eggert Ehmke Dec. 21, 2022

Dec. 21, 2022

When I send a mail to a list that exceeds the max size, I get the above answer. However, the moderator of that list does not get a message, and there is no entry in the list of hold back messages. This should be a configuration problem, on another list on the same server this works fine. I cannot find any differences in the settings.

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Emergency moderation and clearing out a lot of held messages
by bob B Dec. 21, 2022

Dec. 21, 2022

We had an issue where a program went rogue and sent out 30k email alerts to one of our lists, so now I have a few questions. When the issue happened I turned on emergency moderation and we have resolved the issue so.. 1. How do I easily delete 30k of held messages? It looks like the GUI only allows me to do 200 at a time? is there a way to flush all held messages easily? 2. When I enabled Emergency moderation, I expected it to stop notifying the admin on every held message, but it appears that is not the case? Also, does it reply to the sender of every held message when Emergency moderation is on? it seems like the steps are: turn on "Emergency moderation" turn OFF "Notify users of held messages" turn OFF "Admin immed notify"

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SMTPNotSupportedError when requesting new password
by Eggert Ehmke Dec. 21, 2022

Dec. 21, 2022

I get this error when a user tries to use the "forgot password" function in hyperkitty. Obviously the exception is thrown when the send_mail function is called in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py In settings.py I have: EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_HOST_USER = 'valid email' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = 'valid password' What can I do to debug further?

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MM3 List Templates
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 21, 2022

Dec. 21, 2022

I am reading https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience regarding templates and I am confused about whether to treat the path /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/*site*/en/ literally or even if that information is still relevant. I created the exact path and put those templates in there, but they do not show up on Postorius. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Where do I find the bounced messages?
by Sörös Zoltán Dec. 20, 2022

Dec. 20, 2022

Greetings, I am running several lists under mailman3. I am getting notifications about users being put on nomail because of their bounces - but I can find no way to actually see the bounced messages. Do mailman3 store the received bounces? Where? Is there any setting to forward these bounces to the list owner? Thanks in advance -- Sörös Zoltán E-mail: beer(a)filmjus.hu http://www.filmjus.hu/~beer/

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Can "Pre Verified" set to yes by default?
by Alan So Dec. 20, 2022

Dec. 20, 2022

We are a university with many departments & colleges owning their own mailing lists and they manage their members lists by themselves. The current (ours is 1.3.6) Postorius have a default of "Pre Verified" as "No" when doing mass subscription by the list admin. It sounds sensible if most people subscribe to the lists by themselves normally. But in our case, our departmental staff normally maintain their list of members and do not want their members need to do anything before they can be reachable from lists. However, some of our departmental staff sometimes forget to check the box "Pre Verified" when they refresh (actually delete all and subscribe all) list of members during term's start. This often lead to issue especially if the list they maintained have thousands of members. Our normal way to help them is to remove the list and create the list again so that the departmental staff do not need to discard the pending members one by one. This is already the best scenario if they know that it is the root cause. Since subscribing thousands of members normally will not have the normal UI page coming back (due to timeout), they often do not know that it is the cause of issue. If they repeat the steps to subscribe the members again, they will just not be able to get the job done but also make the system busier and they never know that it's already in the pending list. Is this possible to add default setting of Pre Verified during mass-subscription (for example settings.py) such that we can help them a bit? Thanks.

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Broken web UI after upgrade
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 17, 2022

Dec. 17, 2022

After upgrading MM3 and running all the post-update tasks and even re-indexing all the posts, I have ended up with a somehow "broken" hyperkitty. The archives display on a browser six, to say the least. The site is public, so I can share the link: https://list.rc.org/archives/ What should I do in order to fix this? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Slow and out-of-sequence delivery
by Gregg Roberts Dec. 17, 2022

Dec. 17, 2022

Dear Mailman Supporters, I participate in a professional forum run on Mailman. It serves a small nonprofit mutual benefit organization with possibly fewer than 50 members. Messages that I post to the forum have been taking as long as 48 hours to come back to me. The issue is not new and AFAIK no one has been messing with the settings. But the issue seems to have been becoming more and more severe in recent weeks. Perhaps because of such delays, I also sometimes see responses to other posts before I see the original post. It takes extra time to understand the context when that happens. People's time gets wasted answering questions that have already been answered without their knowledge. It's just frustrating all around. The email address from which messages are sent is not in the list of email addresses maintained in the hosting account cPanel. There seems to be one by the name "relay" that is being used by Mailman. I actually don't know which version of Mailman is installed. I'm hoping it's the more recent of the two options so I optimistically joined this particular list. The hosting service tech support can't help because they can't see the forum email address or its logs. At least that's what they say. Tech-support also tells me that they routinely do load-balancing and the server should not be excessively busy. It should certainly not take 48 hours to send an email message to 50 recipients. It shouldn't even take more than an hour, because the system is set to send messages at least once per hour -- maybe even every 10 minutes -- and the whole queue should be able to be handled in one sending cycle ... right? A contract tech support guy has suggested that it might solve a problem if we started spending $100-$150 per month on a dedicated server. I think that is a wrongheaded suggestion. If the organization had thousands of members, it would make more sense. But throwing money at the problem if something is simply not set up right, or some critical file is corrupted, is not the right solution. Set the broken bone correctly first, THEN inject stimulants and send the player back out onto the field. :-) Thanks in advance for any help! Gregg Roberts http://legalsupport-sc.com Legal Support Services of Southern California 43430 E. Florida Ave #F-293 Hemet CA 92544 951-330-4450 The information contained in this e-mail message is privileged and confidential information, intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution of copy of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 951-330-4450 or reply by e-mail and delete or discard this message.

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Error while Approving a Post Through Email
by Alex A.J. Dec. 15, 2022

Dec. 15, 2022

Hello, I have installed mailman3 (with postgresql) on Ubuntu 22.04 in a virtual environment. I can approve/discard posts from the Web UI, but when trying to approve a post through email (Approved header as the first line in reply), the following error is showing up in mailman.log: Dec 13 17:01:41 2022 (2677611) Uncaught runner exception: hash could not be identified Dec 13 17:01:41 2022 (2677611) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 272, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/runners/command.py", line 214, in _dispose status = command.process( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/eml_confirm.py", line 67, in process return self.process_held( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/eml_confirm.py", line 104, in process_held approved = Approved().check(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/rules/approved.py", line 143, in check is_valid, new_hash = config.password_context.verify(password, mpw) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/utilities/passwords.py", line 61, in verify return self._context.verify_and_update(password, hashed) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/passlib/context.py", line 2422, in verify_and_update record = self._get_or_identify_record(hash, scheme, category) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/passlib/context.py", line 2031, in _get_or_identify_record return self._identify_record(hash, category) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/passlib/context.py", line 1132, in identify_record raise exc.UnknownHashError("hash could not be identified") passlib.exc.UnknownHashError: hash could not be identified Dec 13 17:01:41 2022 (2677611) SHUNTING: 1670931101.6040337+d5806b00b2b9d03f25db396639f66f3a26516178 Any ideas? Thanks Alex.

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Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive
by Gordon Dickens Dec. 13, 2022

Dec. 13, 2022

My mailman3 installation has now been up and running successfully for several weeks without any issues and then the following error message was emailed to me by my server. What's up with this error message and what do I need to do? Thanks, Gordon -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 01:25:41 -0000 From: [1]root(a)host2.mailhub4u.com To: [2]gordon(a)mailhub4u.com Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive OperationalError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\xA4\\xA3\\xF0\\x9F...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") Request Method: POST Request URL: [3]http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=0123456 789abcdef0123456789ABCDEF Django Version: 1.11.29 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.7.3 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python37.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.7', '/usr/lib/python3.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 01:25:40 +0000 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in execute 64. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py" in execute 101. return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 250. self.errorhandler(self, exc, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in defaulterrorhandler 50. raise errorvalue File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 247. res = self._query(query) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _query 411. rowcount = self._do_query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _do_query 374. db.query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in query 292. _mysql.connection.query(self, query) The above exception ((1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\xA4\\xA3\\xF0\\x9F...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1")) was the direct cause of the following exception: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 187. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 185. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py" in inner 40. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in _decorator 69. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py" in wrapped_view 58. return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in archive 115. add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py" in add_to_list 151. email.save() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in save 808. force_update=force_update, update_fields=update_fields) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in save_base 838. updated = self._save_table(raw, cls, force_insert, force_update, using, update_fields) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in _save_table 924. result = self._do_insert(cls._base_manager, using, fields, update_pk, raw) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in _do_insert 963. using=using, raw=raw) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py" in manager_method 85. return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in _insert 1079. return query.get_compiler(using=using).execute_sql(return_id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py" in execute_sql 1112. cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in execute 64. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/utils.py" in __exit__ 94. six.reraise(dj_exc_type, dj_exc_value, traceback) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/six.py" in reraise 685. raise value.with_traceback(tb) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in execute 64. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py" in execute 101. return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 250. self.errorhandler(self, exc, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in defaulterrorhandler 50. raise errorvalue File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 247. res = self._query(query) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _query 411. rowcount = self._do_query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _do_query 374. db.query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in query 292. _mysql.connection.query(self, query) Exception Type: OperationalError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Exception Value: (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\xA4\\xA3\\xF0\\x9F...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: key = '0123456789abcdef0123456789ABCDEF' POST: mlist = '[4]members(a)georgiajets.org' FILES: message = <InMemoryUploadedFile: message.txt ()> COOKIES: No cookie data META: CONTENT_LENGTH = '7720' CONTENT_TYPE = 'multipart/form-data; boundary=8da553dce5f76815f62f12a1b8c0efac' CONTEXT_DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/html' CONTEXT_PREFIX = '' DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/html' GATEWAY_INTERFACE = 'CGI/1.1' HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'keep-alive' HTTP_HOST = 'localhost' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'python-requests/2.21.0' PATH = '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin' PATH_INFO = '/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive' QUERY_STRING = 'key=0123456789abcdef0123456789ABCDEF' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REMOTE_PORT = '53006' REQUEST_METHOD = 'POST' REQUEST_SCHEME = 'http' REQUEST_URI = '/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=0123456789abcdef012345678 9ABCDEF' SCRIPT_FILENAME = 'proxy:uwsgi://localhost//hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive' SCRIPT_NAME = '/mailman3' SERVER_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' SERVER_ADMIN = 'webmaster@localhost' SERVER_NAME = 'localhost' SERVER_PORT = '80' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.1' SERVER_SIGNATURE = '<address>Apache/2.4.38 (Debian) Server at localhost Port 80</address>\n' SERVER_SOFTWARE = 'Apache/2.4.38 (Debian)' uwsgi.core = 0 uwsgi.node = b'slc.mailhub4u.com' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.18-debian' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7f6a278df600> wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', '[5]gordon(a)mailhub4u.com'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['*'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = '/usr/share/mailman3-web' CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_COMPRESSOR = 'compressor.css.CssCompressor' COMPRESS_CSS_FILTERS = ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter'] COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7f6a2d586620> COMPRESS_JS_COMPRESSOR = 'compressor.js.JsCompressor' COMPRESS_JS_FILTERS = ['compressor.filters.jsmin.JSMinFilter'] COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/less', 'lessc {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/mailman3/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.mysql', 'NAME': 'mailman3web', 'USER': 'mailman3web', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '', 'OPTIONS': {'init_command': "SET sql_mode='STRICT_TRANS_TABLES'"}, 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'NAME': None, 'MIRROR': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_CONTENT_TYPE = 'text/html' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = '[6]postorius(a)host2.mailhub4u.com' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAILNAME = 'host2.mailhub4u.com' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_CHARSET = 'utf-8' FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': '/var/lib/mailman3/web/fulltext_index'}} HOSTNAME = 'localhost.local' IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = "('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount')" INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler', 'filename': '/var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIDDLEWARE_CLASSES = ['django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware'] MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = '[7]http://localhost/mailman3/' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', 'poll': 5} ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = False SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = '[8]root(a)host2.mailhub4u.com' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/mailman3/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_ETAGS = False USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'SAMEORIGIN' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y' References 1. mailto:root@host2.mailhub4u.com 2. mailto:gordon@mailhub4u.com 3. http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=0123456789abcd… 4. mailto:members@georgiajets.org 5. mailto:gordon@mailhub4u.com 6. mailto:postorius@host2.mailhub4u.com 7. http://localhost/mailman3/ 8. mailto:root@host2.mailhub4u.com

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import an mm3 hyperkitty archive
by Eggert Ehmke Dec. 9, 2022

Dec. 9, 2022

I was able to export the archive of my old mm3 installation in hyperkitty. However, I seem to be blind when looking for hyperkitty_import in the documentation. Where to start?

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What is this EMail trying to tell me
by Martin Lorenz Dec. 9, 2022

Dec. 9, 2022

Since I rebootet my VPS yesterday I get tons of these and can't find out what's wrong. Please help. -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable: /mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/ Datum: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 04:58:15 -0000 Von: django(a)poc.im An: root@localhost Service Unavailable: /mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/ Report at /mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/ Service Unavailable: /mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/ Request Method: GET Request URL: http://list.holoclan.de/mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/ Django Version: 3.0.14 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages'] Server time: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 04:58:15 +0000 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: No cookie data META: HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET = 'utf-8;q=0.7,iso-8859-1;q=0.2,*;q=0.1' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'close' HTTP_HOST = 'list.holoclan.de' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; DotBot/1.2; +https://opensiteexplorer.org/dotbot; help(a)moz.com)' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = '216.244.66.197' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST = 'list.holoclan.de' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO = 'http' PATH_INFO = '/mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/' QUERY_STRING = '' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_URI = '/mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = 'arda.holoclan.de' SERVER_PORT = '8000' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.0' uwsgi.core = 1 uwsgi.node = b'arda.holoclan.de' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.20' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7f8d77ae15f0> wsgi.multiprocess = True wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'root@localhost'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['localhost', '127.0.0.1', 'list.holoclan.de', 'list.poc.im', 'list.lorenz.im'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = PosixPath('/opt/mailman/web') CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js': 'compressor.js.JsCompressor'} COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'css': ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter', 'compressor.filters.cssmin.rCSSMinFilter'], 'js': ['compressor.filters.jsmin.rJSMinFilter']} COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7f8d816d30d0> COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.OfflineManifestFileStorage' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailmanweb', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '5432', 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'OPTIONS': {}, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'NAME': None, 'MIRROR': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'mailman(a)list.poc.im' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_CHARSET = 'utf-8' FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420 FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': 'fulltext_index'}} HYPERKITTY_ENABLE_GRAVATAR = True IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.WatchedFileHandler', 'filename': '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'DEBUG', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['console', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO'}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default'} ROOT_URLCONF = 'mailman_web.urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = None SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'django(a)poc.im' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [{'id': 'yahoo', 'name': 'Yahoo', 'openid_url': 'http://me.yahoo.com'}]}, 'google': {'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}}, 'facebook': {'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': ['email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone'], 'VERSION': 'v2.4'}} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = False USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'mailman_web.wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y'

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About mailman-core service upgrade adaptation
by 朱超 Dec. 8, 2022

Dec. 8, 2022

When i upgrade mailman-core from 3.2.2 to 3.3.7, I find some change in table, for example: hyperkitty_email、hyperkitty_thread、member、openid_openidnonce、openid_openidstore， The community have some tools to help me to upgrade?

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Problems after update to mailman 3.3.7
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) Dec. 7, 2022

Dec. 7, 2022

I've getting the most strange behaviour after update to last releases. In one of my mailman3 servers, the messages doesnt reach for some lists (the five last ones) the update have not showed any error but in the var/data for the lmtp and vmap postfix files mailman does not create aliases for that last 5 lists. Any message addressed to them is returned with a "no such user" error. If I create a new list the system or restart mailman runners it shows this error: Generating MTA alias maps /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py:799: UserWarning: Previous unbuffered result was left incomplete warnings.warn("Previous unbuffered result was left incomplete") I did a CHECK TABLE on mailinglists table but all seems ok. I tried reinstalling PyMySQL, but has no effect. (well, I tried reinstalling all) It seems to me that something is preventing creation of that aliases, an then the that last five lists are unreachable. I have no clue of what to do now and I'm driving crazy. Some direction to look for will be much apreciated. Thanks in advance. P.S.: I can access via postorius/hyperkitty to the archives of the lists that are unreacheable. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Strange messages after upgrading Mailman3
by Allan Hansen Dec. 6, 2022

Dec. 6, 2022

Hi all, I have been getting a few of these messages after my Mailman 3 was upgraded: "The content of this message was lost. It was probably cross-posted to multiple lists and previously handled on another list." The messages appear to come from list members and are distributed to the relevant lists, but with nothing of the original contents. They have appeared on different lists with, apparently different senders (unless spoofed). Other messages are going through the system unchanged. Anyone has any ideas? Yours, Allan

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Issues encountered while upgrading to 3.3.7
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 5, 2022

Dec. 5, 2022

Hello everyone, I am starting a new thread on this so that the issues I encountered do not get mixed up with the other discussions. Over the weekend I upgraded an MM3 installation to the latest versions of the components. I started off by creating a new venv, installing and then migrating the configurations and the scripts. In the end, I ended up with MM3 Core ==3.3.7, postorius==1.3.7, HyperKitty==1.3.6, django==4.1.3. 1. SQLAlchemy - At the stage where one runs 'mailman info', I encountered the first error: : sqlalchemy.exc.NoSuchModuleError: Can't load plugin: sqlalchemy.dialects:postgres This is solved by a change in mailman.cfg so that the URI starts with postgresql:// instead of postgres://. SQLAlchemy used to accept both but has removed support for the postgres name. <https://github.com/sqlalchemy/sqlalchemy/issues/6083#issuecomment-801478013> 2. Django==4.x At the point of running the post-update processes, particularly the "migrate" bit, I got the following error: : ImportError: cannot import name 'url' from 'django.conf.urls' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/conf/urls/__init__.py) I understand this is a consequence of the django.conf.urls.url() having been deprecated starting version 3 and has been removed in version 4 of Django. https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/releases/4.0/#features-removed-in-4-0 The upgrade process seems to have brought in the newer version of Django because now I have 4.1.3 up from 3.x If anyone wants, I found an elaborate explanation at https://bobbyhadz.com/blog/python-importerror-cannot-import-name-url-from-d… . My Google-fu found suggestions that in urls.py, I should import re_path and use it, or alias it for url for the migrate to work. The solution I used was to alias url to re_path, but I am considering just doing away with url altogether. Not sure which is the better option between using re_path or path. So here is the patch I have used: (venv) mailman@lists:~/mm$ diff -u urls.py.bak urls.py --- urls.py.bak 2022-12-03 12:20:28.028090659 +0300 +++ urls.py 2022-12-03 12:36:20.298875624 +0300 @@ -17,7 +17,8 @@ # Postorius. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>. -from django.conf.urls import include, url +from django.conf.urls import include +from django.urls import re_path as url from django.contrib import admin from django.urls import reverse_lazy from django.views.generic import RedirectView 3. The last issue that I encountered is one I kind of solved, but completely don't understand the consequences of the solution I applied: /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin migrate <CUT> System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: django_mailman3.MailDomain: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. django_mailman3.Profile: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Attachment: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Email: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Favorite: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.LastView: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.MailingList: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Profile: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Tag: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Tagging: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Thread: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.ThreadCategory: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Vote: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. postorius.EmailTemplate: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the PostoriusConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount </CUT> Here again, Google-fu came to the rescue. I added the following line to settings_local.py and the warnings were suppressed. DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' I need to understand how this affects everything and how this is likely to impact the functionality of MM3. What is the proper solution for this? And should it be django.db.models.BigAutoField or django.db.models.AutoField? Which is which? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Handling of spam
by Eggert Ehmke Dec. 5, 2022

Dec. 5, 2022

I have a mailing list that is open to nonmembers. Sometimes we get spam on that list. I have a working spamassassin/amavis spam filter on the system. Now comes the strange part: sometimes a spam message is put into a multi-part message and forwarded to the list owner (me). This multi-part message contains the message marked as spam, but is not marked as spam itself. The origin of those message is the bounces address of the list. So my first question is: where can those messages be generated? I can provide the message header, but it would contain a lot of details of my server. Cheers, Eggert

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Is there an easy way to set Reply-To to a lists owner?
by Martin Lorenz Dec. 4, 2022

Dec. 4, 2022

Hi again, now, that Mailman3 is running smoothly I have a new question. We have a bunch of lists, which are only used for spreading news. Now the admin of theses lists (who happens to be my wife) asked me, if it was possible to change the settings such that all replys to one of these lists can only be sent to herself (i.e. the owner address) instead of being held for moderation. I thought of setting Reply-To to something like <list-owner> by "simply" entering a Variable into this field, instead of using the admins/owners literal email-address. Is this possible? Or is there another way of achieving the goal? TNX Greetings Martin

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Weird startup problem after upgrade
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 3, 2022

Dec. 3, 2022

I am facing an odd situation in which MM3 doesn't start successfully on reboot, but I can start it manually. This is a venv install. This started after I did an upgrade (pip install --upgrade mailman postorius hyperkitty mailman-hyperkitty) followed by the requisite collectstatic|compress|compilemessages|migrate post-update commands. Secondly, it appears that the upgrade did NOT change the versions for the upgraded components - postorius=1.3.6, hyperkitty=1.3.5, Mailman Core Version=3.3.5. I was expecting the version to all bump up to the latest. Thanks in advance for any insights into what could be causing this. wash@lists:~$ systemctl status mailman3 × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: timeout) since Fri 2022-12-02 18:58:13 EAT; 9s ago CPU: 25.241s Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 114, in signal_handler Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: for atexit_call in reversed(_threading_atexits): Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 114, in signal_handler Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: raise RunnerInterrupt Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: raise RunnerInterrupt Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: mailman.interfaces.runner.RunnerInterrupt: Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: mailman.interfaces.runner.RunnerInterrupt: Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'timeout'. Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Consumed 25.241s CPU time. root@lists:/home/wash# systemctl status mailman3 × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: *failed (Result: timeout) since Fri 2022-12-02 18:58:13 EAT; 53s ago* CPU: 25.241s Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 114, in signal_handler Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: for atexit_call in reversed(_threading_atexits): Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 114, in signal_handler Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: raise RunnerInterrupt Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: raise RunnerInterrupt Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: mailman.interfaces.runner.RunnerInterrupt: Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: mailman.interfaces.runner.RunnerInterrupt: *Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'timeout'.Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager.Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Consumed 25.241s CPU time.* root@lists:/home/wash# cd /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/ root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs# ls -al total 104948 drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 2 18:56 . drwxr-xr-x 12 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 2 18:58 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 7720631 Dec 2 18:52 access.log -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1514 Nov 28 05:58 bounce.log -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 0 Aug 15 16:56 debug.log -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 497 Dec 2 18:56 error.log -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 99339919 Dec 2 18:58 mailman.log -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Dec 2 18:53 mailmansuite.log -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 0 Aug 15 16:56 plugins.log -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 374961 Dec 2 18:56 smtp.log root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs# less error.log root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs# cd ../locks/ root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/locks# ls -al total 8 drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 2 18:58 . drwxr-xr-x 12 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 2 18:58 .. root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/locks# systemctl start mailman3 root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/locks# systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-12-02 19:00:15 EAT; 11s ago Process: 2395 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 2397 (python3) Tasks: 18 (limit: 4550) Memory: 791.9M CPU: 21.440s CGroup: /system.slice/mailman3.service ├─2397 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/master -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg ├─2398 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=archive:0:1 ├─2399 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 ├─2400 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=command:0:1 ├─2401 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=in:0:1 ├─2402 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=lmtp:0:1 ├─2403 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=nntp:0:1 ├─2404 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=out:0:1 ├─2405 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=pipeline:0:1 ├─2406 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 ├─2407 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=retry:0:1 ├─2408 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=task:0:1 ├─2409 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=virgin:0:1 ├─2410 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 ├─2423 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 └─2424 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 Dec 02 19:00:13 lists systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... Dec 02 19:00:14 lists mailman[2395]: Starting Mailman's master runner Dec 02 19:00:14 lists mailman[2395]: Generating MTA alias maps *Dec 02 19:00:14 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Can't open PID file /opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid (yet?) after start: Operation not permitted* Dec 02 19:00:15 lists systemd[1]: Started GNU Mailing List Manager. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Permission denied for fulltext_index
by Jan Eden Dec. 1, 2022

Dec. 1, 2022

Hi, when trying to reattach a message thread in the Hyperkitty web interface, the following error occurs: > Internal Server Error: /archives/list/testlist@lists.eden.one/thread/T6MCILAVQYV5QIOGHJB3JNJ26Z7E2Z35/reattach-suggest > > PermissionError at /archives/list/testlist@lists.eden.one/thread/T6MCILAVQYV5QIOGHJB3JNJ26Z7E2Z35/reattach-suggest > [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'fulltext_index' The error occurs while haystack attempts to create a directory – > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 412, in search > self.setup() > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 133, in setup > os.makedirs(self.path) > File "/usr/lib/python3.10/os.py", line 225, in makedirs > mkdir(name, mode) > > Exception Type: PermissionError at /archives/list/testlist@lists.eden.one/thread/T6MCILAVQYV5QIOGHJB3JNJ26Z7E2Z35/reattach-suggest > Exception Value: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'fulltext_index' > Raised during: hyperkitty.views.thread.reattach_suggest > Request information: > USER: mailman – but the existing directory /opt/mailman/fulltext_index (and its contents) are readable and writeable by mailman:mailman: > drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Nov 27 08:00 fulltext_index/ > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4473 Nov 27 08:00 _MAIN_65.toc > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15456 Nov 27 08:00 MAIN_bc0cs2aohovftat6.seg > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15454 Nov 27 06:00 MAIN_brbo8i8edmlz0za4.seg > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15462 Nov 27 07:00 MAIN_ewnemc7lsnodd3y7.seg > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 157324 Nov 27 04:00 MAIN_qag60g1rrumshtc2.seg > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15459 Nov 27 05:00 MAIN_w6e0ohurasusy61d.seg > -rwxrwxr-x 1 mailman mailman 0 Nov 24 16:00 MAIN_WRITELOCK* I fail to see where haystack tries (and fails) to create the directory. FWIW, deleting threads is not a problem. Thanks, Jan

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Mailman web interface / uwsgi
by Jan Eden Nov. 28, 2022

Nov. 28, 2022

Hi, I followed the installation instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…, which thankfully shielded me from configuring the Django applications for the web interface manually. All Django applications (postorius, hyperkitty, haystack etc) are loaded via mailman_web/settings/base.py, which is in turn referenced by the top-level settings file in /etc/mailman3. uwsgi is linked to mailman_web via /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini. So far, so good. I do not want to dive into the interaction between the various components and just want to switch from a http socket (http-socket = 0.0.0.0:8000) to a file socket (socket = /opt/mailman/mm/var/mailman.sock). After making this change in /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini, I applied it in the nginx proxy configuration proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; → proxy_pass http://unix:/opt/mailman/mm/var/mailman.sock; and received an error message (as expected): 2022/11/25 18:39:12 [error] 2978606#2978606: *3 upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream, client: 37.201.155.65, server: lists.eden.one, request: "GET /mailman3/lists/ HTTP/2.0", upstream: "http://unix:/opt/mailman/mm/var/mailman.sock:/mailman3/lists/", host: "lists.eden.one" There are obviously a couple of places where the http-socket on port 8000 is referenced (e.g. mailman_web/settings/mailman.py, /opt/mailman/mm/hyperkitty.cfg). Is there an overview of the required changes when using a different (file) socket? Related question: My own (much simpler) Django applications use the following (e.g. in mysite_nginx.conf): upstream django { server unix:///private/tmp/mysite.sock; } location / { uwsgi_pass django; } instead of the "http://unix:/..." notation I tried for Mailman above. Is there any difference between the upstream/uwsgi_pass combination and the proxy_pass variant? Thanks, Jan

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Default list styles
by Jan Eden Nov. 27, 2022

Nov. 27, 2022

Hi, the list creation web interface offers three list styles (announce, ordinary, ordinary w/ private archive). When selecting the announce style, I would expect a different default message acceptance setting for members (i.e. reject), because this is how an announce list should work. In practice, a list created with the announce style is configured just as an ordinary mailing list (as far as I can see in the web interface, and according to the handling of a test message sent by a regular member of an announce list). What am I missing here? - Jan

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Mailman3 not able to deliver emails sent through list, but moderation notifications
by Daniel Böhmer Nov. 27, 2022

Nov. 27, 2022

Hello Mailman users, I've been using Mailman2 for 10+ years and have recently upgraded to Debian Buster with Mailman3. I've tried to setup Mailman3 similarly but it fails to deliver emails sent through a list. I do receive all moderation notifications at the same time. During startup /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log receives: > Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 but I've made sure postfix is listening on *:25 for both IPv4 and IPv6. When sending a message to a list the same file receives: > Nov 25 11:38:14 2022 (70371) ACCEPT: <MESSAGEID@HOST> (message ID and host redacted) and nothing else happens: no more log messages, Postfix logs the email sent TO Mailman but doesn't log anything about emails sent BY Mailman. If Mailman fails to send emails via Postfix I'd expect it to log error messages but it doesn't seem to do so. I found this article stating the the SMTP error message might be misleading: https://blog.tfiu.de/mailman3-cannot-connect-to-smtp-server-localhost-on-po… How to further debug this? What could be wrong with my Mailman3 instance and how to fix it? Kind regards Daniel Böhmer

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MTA authentication and smtpd_sender_login_maps
by Jan Eden Nov. 25, 2022

Nov. 25, 2022

Hi, I installed Mailman3 successfully and would like to change the default smtp settings to an authenticated connection (smtp_user, smtp_pass). But my Postfix configuration restricts sending messages via the smtpd_sender_login_maps directive (which points to a hashed file I created years ago) and correctly refuses connections for messages with the test mailing list's From header. I obviously do not want to add an entry to the map file for each mailing list created by someone on the server. Is there a way to programmatically create a sender login map with Mailman? Thanks, Jan

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Hyperkitty no longer archiving
by Hirayama, Pat Nov. 23, 2022

Nov. 23, 2022

Greetings, A couple of months ago, I needed to move the Mailman3 server I inherited from one AWS account to another AWS account. This necessitated a change in the IP address of instance hosting the docker containers that comprise my mailman3 server. I thought I had updated the IP address wherever it needed to be, but I suppose I've missed something, because hyperkitty has not been archiving any messages. (Most of my lists don't archive, so it took a while before someone noticed). When I look at /opt/mailman/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool, I see messages dating back over the past couple of months waiting to be archived. So, they don't appear to be lost (and things are being mailed out normally). The thing is, the IP addresses of the docker containers haven't changed with respect to docker networking. docker networking ------------------------ docker host 172.31.0.1 mailman-core 172.31.0.3 mailman-nginx 172.31.0.5 mailman-postfix 172.31.0.4 mailman-django-uwsgi 172.31.0.2 settings_local.py: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('172.18.8.14', '172.31.0.1', '172.31.0.2', '172.31.0.3', '172.31.0.4', '172.31.0.5', '127.0.0.1', '::1') During troubleshooting, I added 172.18.8.14 (new IP of the webserver), but that didn't seem to help. It seems like I added one of the docker addresses that was missing .... but again, that doesn't seem to have fixed the issue. mailmansuite.log is full of: ERROR 2022-11-22 00:25:40,365 7 hyperkitty.views.mailman Access to the archiving API endpoint was forbidden from IP 172.31.0.1, your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting may be misconfigured ERROR 2022-11-22 00:25:40,399 7 hyperkitty.views.mailman Access to the archiving API endpoint was forbidden from IP 172.31.0.1, your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting may be misconfigured Any suggestions as to where I might look for a solution, or what setting I need to change? Thanks! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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Upgrading a Ubuntu Mailman 3 Installation
by Allan Hansen Nov. 21, 2022

Nov. 21, 2022

Dear Mailman 3 wizards, Several years ago I tried upgrading to Mailman 3 (I did install Mailman 2), but quickly ran into a thicket too complex for me to get out of. Two others - way more experienced than me at system-level manipulations - tried as well but did not succeed. Brian Carpenter of EMWD installed the system seemingly effortlessly, and seemingly overnight. We had a good relationship, and I was a beta site for his new product, SAAS. Brian also did the system MM3 upgrades as they appeared and would check that all was well a couple of times a year. Unfortunately, and I respect that, the current management at EMWD "don't provide working hands service for foreign Mailman 3 installations." I do not dare touch it, based on my earlier attempts with the installation. With Brian's passing I'm thus faced with a system that has no capable system support (I manage the lists, not the core). I have 50+ lists with 10000+ subscription total, and a lot of people depend on this tool. (It's a non-profit organization). So, I'm interesting in hiring someone for part-time, occasional work (a few times a year). Update MM3 as new versions are made available. Diagnose and fix the system if anything goes awry. I will pay you, as I did Brian, out of my own pocket, for your time. Yours, Allan Hansen

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Migrating to mailman-web and Ubuntu 22.04
by Andrew Hodgson Nov. 16, 2022

Nov. 16, 2022

Hi. For various reasons I want to migrate to a larger host running Ubuntu 22.04. I have set up the various packages ok and as part of the migration I want to use mailman-web instead of mailman-suite which is an older setup. I have instructions for Mailman-web for setting up Uwsgi but I would prefer to keep Gunicorn working as per the instructions here: DOC/Mailman 3 installation experience - Mailman Wiki (list.org)<https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience> Has anyone done this before? Thanks. Andrew.

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New Mailman Core Release
by Mark Sapiro Nov. 15, 2022

Nov. 15, 2022

We are pleased to announce the release of Mailman core 3.3.7. It is published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ The change log is at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… - please note the `BREAKING CHANGE` documented there and due to our now using SQLAlchemy >-1.4. Finally, the minimum Python version required is 3.7 although, 3.9 is recommended if you are doing a new install for longest support. 3.10 is supported for Django apps, but Mailman Core is missing that due to one of the core dependencies (aiosmtpd) not supporting 3.10 yet. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Do not display any lists on index the page (/postorius/lists/) by default (when you create the list it defaults to Hide) - Debian package install
by daniel.botting＠codethink.co.uk Nov. 11, 2022

Nov. 11, 2022

Hi all, I am currently in the process of moving from mailman 2.1 to mailman 3, the basic functions are completed (mailing list and archiving). On our current mailman 2.1 install it advises there are no publicly advertised lists, when I visit mailman3-list.domain/postorius/lists/ I see all the lists that have been created, I require them not to be displayed. I know when you create a list you can on the 'Advertise this list' line select 'Hide this list in list index', but I would like it to default to this in case somebody forgets to select it. I am not a Python expert, though from the description at the top of the below file and the contents further down it looks like you are defining in base.py and then in default.py you are using what was defined, a class of 'Private' which should cause the lists not to be advertised, but they are? File: /usr/ib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/base.py class Private: """Settings for private mailing lists.""" def apply(self, mailing_list): mlist = mailing_list mlist.advertised = False <-------------- mlist.archive_policy = ArchivePolicy.private mlist.subscription_policy = SubscriptionPolicy.confirm_then_moderate File: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/default.py class PrivateDefaultStyle( Identity, BasicOperation, Bounces, Private, Discussion, Moderation): """Style for mailing-lists with private archives.""" name = 'private-default' description = _('Discussion mailing list style with private archives.') def apply(self, mailing_list): """See `IStyle`.""" Identity.apply(self, mailing_list) BasicOperation.apply(self, mailing_list) Bounces.apply(self, mailing_list) Private.apply(self, mailing_list) Discussion.apply(self, mailing_list) Moderation.apply(self, mailing_list) I added the below to /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg: [styles] # The default style to apply if nothing else was requested. The value is the # name of an existing style. If no such style exists, no style will be # applied. default: private-default I took 'private-default' from /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/default.py, this means now when a new list is created the List style is 'Discussion mail list style with private archives so it is not displayed when you are logged out at /hyperkitty. Many thanks Daniel

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Re: MM3.3 ignores
by Axel Rau Nov. 8, 2022

Nov. 8, 2022

Am 08.11.2022 um 09:14 schrieb Axel Rau <Axel.Rau(a)chaos1.de>: > Am 08.11.2022 um 08:11 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>: > > > What is /var/templates now? I.e., is it a symlink to /usr/local/mailman3/var/templates? what does `ls -l /var/templates` (no slash at the end) show? > It does not exist. No directory, no link. Maybe I remember it wrong. Axel PS: Can I send posts with attachments to this list? My last posting didn’t make it. --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

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MM3.3 ignores
by Axel Rau Nov. 8, 2022

Nov. 8, 2022

Hi all, mm 3.3.5 started to complain: - - - File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 142, in load self.push(filename, user_config.read()) File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 148, in push self._post_process() File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 160, in _post_process self.ensure_directories_exist() File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 253, in ensure_directories_exist makedirs(directory) File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 69, in makedirs os.makedirs(path, mode) File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs mkdir(name, mode) PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates‘ - - - part from mailman.cfg: - - - [paths.dev] var_dir: $cfg_file/../.. [paths.here] var_dir: $cwd/var [paths.fhs] bin_dir: /usr/local/bin var_dir: /var/lib/mailman queue_dir: /var/spool/mailman log_dir: /var/log/mailman lock_dir: /var/spool/lock/mailman etc_dir: /usr/local/etc ext_dir: /usr/local/etc/mailman.d pid_file: /var/run/mailman/master.pid [paths.home] var_dir: /usr/local/mailman3 - - - var subdirectory: - - - (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33]# ls -l /usr/local/mailman3/var/ total 62 drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 3 18 Jan. 2022 archives drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 2 18 Jan. 2022 cache drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 2 18 Jan. 2022 data drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 4 2 Feb. 2022 etc drwxr-xr-x 6 mailman mailman 6 19 Jan. 2022 lists drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 2 5 Nov. 17:48 locks drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 7 18 Jan. 2022 logs drwxr-xr-x 155 mailman mailman 155 24 Okt. 09:09 messages drwxr-xr-x 3 root mailman 3 14 Juni 17:57 old_templates drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman 14 18 Jan. 2022 queue drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 3 18 Jan. 2022 templates # ls -ld /usr/local/mailman3 drwxr-xr-x 11 mailman mailman 24 24 März 2022 /usr/local/mailman3 - - - I’m confused with the layout (and I dont like var stuff not in var). I have no layout set. Why does it not see /usr/local/mailman3/var/templates ? Any help apprecaiated Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

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Imported archives MM2 to MM3
by Mark Dale Nov. 4, 2022

Nov. 4, 2022

Hi I've just migrated a list from MM 2.1.39 to MM 3.3 (Debian). Following the guide at: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html Importing the config went fine and all is well with that. The import of the archive appeared to go well (notes below) as did the rebuilding of the index. However, the archives show up empty on the list's webpage. I don't know what I should be looking for to fix this, so any pointers would be great. Thanks. //////////////////////////////////////// Migrate the list archives ========================= # python3 /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py hyperkitty_import -l LISTNAME@DOMAIN ./LISTNAME.mbox Importing from mbox file ./LISTNAME.mbox to LISTNAME@DOMAIN Computing thread structure Synchronizing properties with Mailman 33 emails left to refresh, checked 0 Warming up cache The full-text search index is not updated for this list. It will not be updated by the 'minutely' incremental update job. To update the index for this list, run the Django admin command with arguments 'update_index_one_list leden(a)vereniging.tropischebossen.nl'. //////////////////////////////////////// Rebuild the index: ======================== # python3 /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py update_index_one_list LISTNAME@DOMAIN Indexing 646 emails

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Re: No DBA password when installing Mailman3 with remote database server
by Markus Ludwig Grandpré Nov. 4, 2022

Nov. 4, 2022

Dear Mr. Turnbull, dear blackout69, thank you very much for your answers. Below this text you will find a brief documentation how I finally managed to install mailman3 and mailman3web packages under Debian 11 with a remote PostGreSQL server v10.22. Maybe there is a more elegant way to install both packages correctly, but AFAIK any solution will be only a workaround for the main problem, that the DBA's password is usually unknown during the whole installation process if you use a remote database server that is run by another staff team. Best regards, Markus ------------ 8< ------------ Mailman3 installation ===================== 1. Installation mailman3 2. Installation mailman3web 3. Integration in boot sequence 1. Installation mailman3 ------------------------ Once the remote database server has been set up with databases mailman3 and mailman3web and with a database user mailman3 that has access to both databases, create database mailman3; create database mailman3web; create user mailman3 with encrypted password 'streng_geheim'; grant all privileges on database mailman3 to mailman3; grant all privileges on database mailman3web to mailman3; the package mailman3 can be installed: # apt install mailman3 To avoid the DBA password prompt that ususally cannot be answered if the database server is run by another team, the installation tool dbconfig-common should be omitted: * Configure database for mailman3 with dbconfig-common? No The mailman3 package will be installed without errors. The configuration of the database connection can be done in file /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg: ... class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase ... url: postgres://mailman3:<secret>@<host>:<port>/mailman3 At this point the required tables have not yet been created in the database. Therefore, the mailman3 package should be configured again: # dpkg-reconfigure mailman3 Because the database mailman3 already exists on the database server, it does not need to be recreated using dbconfig-common: * Reinstall database for mailman3? No * Add the HyperKitty configuration to mailman.cfg? No Also moving the HyperKitty configuration to /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg is not necessary at this time. After dpkg-reconfigure has finished, all necessary tables do now exist in the database mailman3: mailman3=> \dt List of relations Schema | Name | Type | Owner --------+--------------------+-------+---------- public | _request | table | mailman3 public | acceptablealias | table | mailman3 public | address | table | mailman3 public | alembic_version | table | mailman3 ... An initial start of the service mailman3 shows no errors: # systemctl start mailman3 # systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - mailman3 server. Loaded: loaded (/lib/system/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor default: enabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-11-03 10:10:29 CET; 11min ago. ... 2. Installing mailman3-web -------------------------- Once the mailman3 package is installed, package mailman3-web can be installed: # apt install mailman3-web This time you should not do the installation process without the help of the installation tool dbconfig-common: * Configure database for mailman3 with dbconfig-common? Yes * Database type to be used by mailman3-web: pgsql * Host name of the PostgreSQL database server for mailman3-web: new host * Host running the PostgreSQL server for mailman3-web: <remote host> * PostgreSQL application password for mailman3-web: <secret> * Password confirmation: <secret> Even if the DBA password prompt cannot be answered: Create configuration file /etc/dbconfig-common/mailman3-web.conf with new version Password for user postgres: ?????? the dbconfig-common tool should be used again: * Next step for database installation: retry * Configure database for mailman3-web with dbconfig-common? Yes * Connection method for PostgreSQL database of mailman3-web: TCP/IP * Host name of the PostgreSQL database server for mailman3-web: <remote host> * Port number for the PostgreSQL service: 5432 * Method for authenticating the PostgreSQL administrator: password * Method for authenticating PostgreSQL user: password * PostgreSQL database name for mailman3-web: mailman3web * PostgreSQL username for mailman3-web: mailman3 * PostgreSQL application password for mailman3-web: <secret> * Password confirmation: <secret> * Name of the database's administrative user: postgres * Password of your database's administrative user: sldjkfhskldfjhyxlökcjy The prompt for the DBA password cannot be answered correctly again, therefore "ignore" should now be the best choice for the further course of the installation process: * Next step for database installation: ignore * Password of your database's administrative user: sldjkfhskldfjhyxlkcylö An error does occur now because the database user mailman3 can not be created: ... Password for user postgres: unable to connect to postgresql server. error encountered creating user: psql: error: fe_sendauth: no password supplied ... But this error doesn't matter, because the database user mailman3 does already exist and the installation process of the package mailman3web will nevertheless be finished completely. A look into file /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py shows that dbconfig-common has entered the database connection to the database server correctly, too: DATABASES = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailman3web', 'USER': 'mailman3', 'PASSWORD': '<secret>', 'HOST': '<remote host>', 'PORT': '', <--- missing? 'OPTIONS': { }, } } Also all required tables have been created in the database mailman3web during the installation process: mailman3web=> \dt List of relations Schema | Name | Type | Owner --------+-----------------------------------+-------+---------- public | account_emailaddress | table | mailman3 public | account_emailconfirmation | table | mailman3 public | auth_group | table | mailman3 public | auth_group_permissions | table | mailman3 public | auth_permission | table | mailman3 ... The initial start of the service mailman3-web shows no errors: # systemctl start mailman3-web # systemctl status mailman3-web ● mailman3-web.service - Mailman3-web uWSGI service. Loaded: loaded (/lib/system/system/mailman3-web.service; enabled; vendor default: enabled). Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-11-03 10:42:30 CET; 11min ago ... 3. Intergration in boot sequence -------------------------------- Finally, the two services mailman3 and mailman3-web can be included in the boot sequence: # systemctl enable mailman3 Synchronize the state of mailman3.service with the SysV service script with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install. Runs: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable mailman3 # systemctl enable mailman3-web Synchronize the status of mailman3-web.service with the SysV service script using /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install. Runs: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable mailman3-web ------------ >8 ------------ On 01.11.22 08:10, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > blackout69 writes: > > > For mailman3 > > sudo dpkg-reconfigure mailman3 > > > > For mailman3-web > > sudo dpkg-reconfigure mailman3-web > > I guess those will work too as long as the users and databases have > been created. But they'll still fail at the first step without that > (and they might fail anyway if checking for the existence of those > users and databases involves logging in to the database as the admin > user). > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Moderate first postings of new members
by c.buhtz＠posteo.jp Nov. 3, 2022

Nov. 3, 2022

Hi, I'm looking for a feature but not sure if I missed it or if it isn't really there. By default, I accept all messages of list members without moderating them. What I want is that I would like to moderate the messages of new subscribed members until I set them to auto-accept all messages. I want to see what a new member is posting before it is send/accepted to the list. Is this possible? Kind Christian

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Mailman upgrade results in page not found error
by Andrew Hodgson Nov. 3, 2022

Nov. 3, 2022

Hi. Just doing the Mailman suite upgrade on my small installation I use for test purposes. Steps include: Run backup script Stop services Mv venv venv-old python3 -m venv --system-site-packages --symlinks venv source venv/bin/activate pip install -U pip pip install mailman mailman-hyperkitty hyperkitty postorius whoosh deactivate ./bin/Django-admin collectstatic ./bin/Django-admin migrate At this step I got an error regarding the import of URLs, a quick Google suggested this was because the new venv has upgraded to Django 4.0. I downloaded the urls.py from the mailman-web Git repo (I should migrate to this at some point I know) and replaced my version with this one. This allowed the migrate to run correctly. Once services were up everything worked as expected except for the web page. If you go to https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org you get a Postorius page not found error, however if you click on the Mailman logo you get to the correct place. I think this is a problem with the new urls.py I downloaded, what is the best way to restore the old behaviour of having https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org going to the correct place? Urls.py: # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- # Copyright (C) 1998-2016 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. # # This file is part of Postorius. # # Postorius is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify it under # the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free # Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) # any later version. # # Postorius is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT # ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or # FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for # more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with # Postorius. If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/. from django.conf.urls import include from django.contrib import admin from django.urls import path, reverse_lazy from django.views.generic import RedirectView urlpatterns = [ path( '', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), permanent=True), ), path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), path('archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), path('', include('django_mailman3.urls')), path('accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), path('admin/', admin.site.urls), ] Thanks. Andrew.

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How to add new lists?
by fstltna＠yahoo.com Nov. 3, 2022

Nov. 3, 2022

I have been able to get the web interface up and the default "mailman@" address is there and appears in the list of lists, but when I add a list from the command line with a command like "mailman create foo(a)ourlists.gameplayer.club" it does not return a error and using "mailman lists" lists it as existing. However there is no new entries in the /etc/aliases file and the new list doesn't appear in the web interface... Any ideas?

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Adding list via web form
by fstltna＠yahoo.com Nov. 3, 2022

Nov. 3, 2022

Trying to add a list using the web form but I get this: "Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists". Do I need to log in somewhere? I thought I was logged in as admin but maybe not?

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Start a new thread and Reply buttons don't work on web interface
by mcashdollar＠anl.gov Nov. 1, 2022

Nov. 1, 2022

Hi, I'm planning on upgrading some of our mailing lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3. I setup a test server to try Mailman 3. I notice that when I go to "Archives" in the web interface and choose "Start a new thread" or "Reply" to post a message on my test list, it says successful, but the message never shows up. Looking at the logs, I don't see any errors. I can see the HTTP POST in the log and it seems like everything works: [pid: 70249|app: 0|req: 41/93] 127.0.0.1 () {46 vars in 1223 bytes} [Tue Nov 1 21:03:25 2022] POST /archives/list/discuss(a)lists.chicagohpc.org/message/ATXUU5VT NBT6TIF72T7WNNHDIJNOROIF/reply => generated 949 bytes in 104 msecs (HTTP/1.0 200) 8 headers in 258 bytes (1 switches on core 1) I'm using nginx as the http server. location / { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /static/ { alias /opt/mailman/web/static/; autoindex off; } Does anyone have an idea of why posting messages from the web interface never shows up? I turned on all the debug logs but can't find an error. Thanks

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No DBA password when installing Mailman3 with remote database server
by Markus Ludwig Grandpré Nov. 1, 2022

Nov. 1, 2022

Dear Mailman3 list, I try to install the Mailman3 software 3.3.3-1 on a Debian 11 system with a remote Postgres database server. During the installation process dpkg is asking for the DBA password that our DBA team would not provide to me. So what can I do? Best regards, Markus -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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about the last upgrade, one more thing about urls.py
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) Oct. 31, 2022

Oct. 31, 2022

I forgot to mention that I found one error in the last upgrade procedure in the migrate part. It is about the urls.py file. It's about the import from django.conf.urls the "url", that now is inexistent. After searching around, I've edited urls.py like below. That saved me from modifying more things in that file. ### from django.conf import settings ### mod. 30/10/22 ###from django.conf.urls import include, url from django.conf.urls import include from django.urls import re_path as url ##### -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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after last upgrade I've got a CSRF failed verification
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) Oct. 31, 2022

Oct. 31, 2022

I did upgrade one of my mailman3 server after Abhilasj announcement: "I am pleased to announce several new releases for GNU Mailman project. 1. Mailman Core 3.3.6 1 <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.…> 2. Postorius 1.3.7 2 <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#section-2> 3. Hyperkitty 1.3.6 [3] 4. Mailmanclient 3.3.4 [4] 5. Django-mailman3 1.3.8 [5]" I did it via pip and all seems to be working, but when I try to discard or accept any message via postorius it shows a Forbidden 403 error CSRF verification failed. In my settings.py I have commented out these variables: # Other security settings # SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = True # If you set SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT to True, make sure the SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT # contains at least this line: # SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [ # "archives/api/mailman/.*", # Request from Mailman. # ] # SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = True # SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True # SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = True # CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = True # CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True # X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' I've been messing with them whith no results. It's like it lacked some value in some template... Can someone, please, point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Re: Problems after Upgrade
by Mark Sapiro Oct. 31, 2022

Oct. 31, 2022

On 10/30/22 17:37, Jeff Steele wrote: > Thanks Mark, > > I was able to fix this problem easily by modifying: > > mailman3/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py > > to change the line: > > Command.requires_system_checks = None > > to > > Command.requires_system_checks = [] > > Now, bin/mailman-web compress runs but outputs: > > CommandError: Compressor is disabled. Set the COMPRESS_ENABLED setting or use --force to override. > > which I guess is fine. If you want to do off line compression which is a good thing, you need to set ``` COMPRESS_ENABLED = True ``` in your Django settings. I recently added this and also a note about CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS to https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Problems after Upgrade
by Jeff Oct. 31, 2022

Oct. 31, 2022

Hello, I tried to upgrade to the latest mailman3 version using the following command: pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web mailmanclient There didn’t appear to be any problems with this step and I’ve since run it again a few times and only see that the requirements have been satisfied. When first running the command: mailman-web migrate I received several errors dealing with search_text in the package compressor (at least that’s as best as I remember, I wasn’t taking notes). I fixed these manually by changing it to search_str. Eventually "mailman-web migrate” started working and has subsequently worked. When I run the command: mailman-web compress I get the following error: traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/local/mailman3/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 37, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/usr/local/mailman3/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/local/mailman3/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/usr/local/mailman3/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 279, in fetch_command klass = load_command_class(app_name, subcommand) File "/usr/local/mailman3/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 49, in load_command_class return module.Command() File "/usr/local/mailman3/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 274, in __init__ raise TypeError("requires_system_checks must be a list or tuple.") TypeError: requires_system_checks must be a list or tuple. I have not been able to fix this and would appreciate any assistance. When I run the command: bin/mailman-web collectstatic It asks me yes or no continue and when I enter “yes” it displays the following which I assume means it worked: 372 static files copied to '/usr/local/mailman3/web/static', 38 unmodified Starting mailman3 seems to work by the status message shows the following: systemctl status -l mailman3 ... Oct 30 14:51:03 mailhost.steele.com mailman[3521451]: return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) Oct 30 14:51:03 mailhost.steele.com mailman[3521451]: File "/usr/local/mailman3/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/bounce.py", line 259, in send_warnings_and_remove Oct 30 14:51:03 mailhost.steele.com mailman[3521451]: self._send_warnings() Oct 30 14:51:03 mailhost.steele.com mailman[3521451]: File "/usr/local/mailman3/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper Oct 30 14:51:03 mailhost.steele.com mailman[3521451]: return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) Oct 30 14:51:03 mailhost.steele.com mailman[3521451]: File "/usr/local/mailman3/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/bounce.py", line 310, in _send_warnings Oct 30 14:51:03 mailhost.steele.com mailman[3521451]: member.address, Oct 30 14:51:03 mailhost.steele.com mailman[3521451]: File "/usr/local/mailman3/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/member.py", line 121, in address Oct 30 14:51:03 mailhost.steele.com mailman[3521451]: return (self._user.preferred_address Oct 30 14:51:03 mailhost.steele.com mailman[3521451]: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'preferred_address' lines 13-35/35 (END) I have been receiving admin requests to approve messages. But, I can’t approve them because of the following issue: Starting mailman-web seems to work as expected with no errors. However, when I try to login to the web interface, I get a HTML page with the following error: init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'providing_args' Request Method: GET Request URL: http://lists.crestwood-dc.org/accounts/login/?next=/mailman3/lists/crestwoo… Django Version: 4.1.2 Exception Type: TypeError Exception Value: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'providing_args' Exception Location: /usr/local/mailman3/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/signals.py, line 4, in <module> Raised during: allauth.account.views.LoginView Python Executable: /usr/local/mailman3/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.8.13 As a result, I cannot login and approve posts. I would greatly appreciate any assistance with these issue. Thanks much!

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Mailman3-core rest failure
by Jacob Sievert Oct. 30, 2022

Oct. 30, 2022

Hello, since our last update from python 3.6 to python 3.9 our mailman server returns the following errors if we try to access the list via postorius. [29/Oct/2022:13:25:25 +0200] "GET /3.1/lists/XXX.XXX.XX/archivers HTTP/1.1" 500 38 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.4" I tried to set the logging to a more verbose state but couldn't get a better message yet. If somebody knows what went wrong, that would be great. regards Jacob

2 3

Adding users
by horvath.arpad.szfvar＠gmail.com Oct. 30, 2022

Oct. 30, 2022

Hi, I've tried to add new members to the mailing list, but I failed even if I tried 3 ways: - manage.py shell - invitation letter - sending a letter to subscribe. I try to solve it with the Python shell now. Based on this site: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/build/lib/mailman/mode… I tried this one from Debian bash command line, but there is an error message, as you can see at the end. # pwd /usr/share/mailman3-web # ./manage.py shell In [1]: from mailman.interfaces.usermanager import IUserManager In [2]: from zope.component import getUtility In [3]: user_manager = getUtility(IUserManager) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ComponentLookupError Traceback (most recent call last) <ipython-input-3-9500ce4250f0> in <module> ----> 1 user_manager = getUtility(IUserManager) /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/component/_api.py in getUtility(interface, name, context) 167 if utility is not None: 168 return utility --> 169 raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) 170 171 def queryUtility(interface, name='', default=None, context=None): ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass mailman.interfaces.usermanager.IUserManager>, '') What do I wrong. Should I stop all my mailman processes first? Thanks, Arpad

2 4

restriction on attrs?
by Stephen J. Turnbull Oct. 27, 2022

Oct. 27, 2022

Hi, I'm working with a frozen requirements.txt for a full Mailman 3 install (BigCorp QA stuff), and trying to decide whether it's worth fighting BigCorp QA to update it to the recent releases. The previous test install pulled in attrs 22.1.0, but now mailman-3.3.6 restricts attrs<21.3. I can't find any documentation for this change, which Mark made in a change d0595dec76 that's documented to be about lmtp and smtp. What's going on with this change? Steve

3 3

New Mailman Releases
by Abhilash Raj Oct. 27, 2022

Oct. 27, 2022

Hi, I am pleased to announce several new releases for GNU Mailman project. 1. Mailman Core 3.3.6 [1] 2. Postorius 1.3.7 [2] 3. Hyperkitty 1.3.6 [3] 4. Mailmanclient 3.3.4 [4] 5. Django-mailman3 1.3.8 [5] All the releases are published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ A full list of changelogs are available below: [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [2]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#section-2 -- Something weird is going on with the page missing the bullets. [3]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-6 [4]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… [5]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst Finally, the minimum Python version required is 3.7 although, 3.9 is recommended if you are doing a new install for longest support. 3.10 is supported for Django apps, but Mailman Core is missing that due to one of the core dependencies not support 3.10 yet (aiosmtpd). Thanks to all the contributors for making this release possible and apologies on my end for delayed releases. If you find any issues, you can report them at the respective bug tracker for the projects. The links to issue trackers are available here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

2 4

Sanity check of upgrade procedure
by David Newman Oct. 27, 2022

Oct. 27, 2022

The other day Abhilash posted here that updated releases are available. I rarely upgrade my Mailman3 server running in a venv on Debian 11. But when I have there was previously an issue with mistune, requiring commands like this (run as mailman in a venv): pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web uwsgi pip install wheel mailman pymysql mysqlclient pip install mistune==2.0.0rc1 mailman-web migrate mailman-web compress mailman-web collectstatic mailman-web compilemessages For these new releases, is that mistune step still needed? Thanks! dn

2 4

Internal Server Error: Reattach this thread
by hasimoto＠designet.co.jp Oct. 27, 2022

Oct. 27, 2022

Hi, In the archive, clicking "Reconnect this thread" causes an internal server error. I received the following email, but I don't know how to solve it, please help me. -- -- -- -- Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/list/testml@list1.example.com/thread/LQ6F7D7EVVUSIJJ7B5S675ZVSU5ZZCBU/reattach-suggest -- -- -- -- Internal Server Error: /archives/list/testml@list1.example.com/thread/LQ6F7D7EVVUSIJJ7B5S675ZVSU5ZZCBU/reattach-suggest AttributeError at /archives/list/testml@list1.example.com/thread/LQ6F7D7EVVUSIJJ7B5S675ZVSU5ZZCBU/reattach-suggest 'function' object has no attribute 'lower' Request Method: GET Request URL: http://mailman.example.com/archives/list/testml@list1.example.com/thread/LQ… Django Version: 3.0.14 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.10.6 Python Path: ['.', '', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python310.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.10', '/usr/lib/python3.10/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages'] Server time: 水, 19 10月 2022 01:07:28 +0000 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 134, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/thread.py", line 413, in reattach_suggest default_search_query = stripped_subject( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 155, in stripped_subject if subject.lower().startswith(mlist.subject_prefix.lower()): Exception Type: AttributeError at /archives/list/testml@list1.example.com/thread/LQ6F7D7EVVUSIJJ7B5S675ZVSU5ZZCBU/reattach-suggest Exception Value: 'function' object has no attribute 'lower' Request information: USER: admin GET: q = '' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: csrftoken = 'cBq9h8x7bG6BMboc89DB8ucQiToTRTpwijt0uJbVXq47ucV2cAGYh05TsaVARobK' sessionid = 'upuj3rv0wkxafklk633lx2jppwgrco1t' META: CSRF_COOKIE = 'cBq9h8x7bG6BMboc89DB8ucQiToTRTpwijt0uJbVXq47ucV2cAGYh05TsaVARobK' HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate' HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE = 'ja,en-US;q=0.7,en;q=0.3' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'close' HTTP_COOKIE = 'csrftoken=cBq9h8x7bG6BMboc89DB8ucQiToTRTpwijt0uJbVXq47ucV2cAGYh05TsaVARobK; sessionid=upuj3rv0wkxafklk633lx2jppwgrco1t' HTTP_HOST = 'mailman.example.com' HTTP_REFERER = 'http://mailman.example.com/archives/list/testml@list1.example.com/thread/LQ…' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:105.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/105.0' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = '192.168.30.94' HTTP_X_REQUESTED_WITH = 'XMLHttpRequest' PATH_INFO = '/archives/list/testml@list1.example.com/thread/LQ6F7D7EVVUSIJJ7B5S675ZVSU5ZZCBU/reattach-suggest' QUERY_STRING = 'q=' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_URI = '/archives/list/testml@list1.example.com/thread/LQ6F7D7EVVUSIJJ7B5S675ZVSU5ZZCBU/reattach-suggest?q=' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = 'ubuntu22' SERVER_PORT = '8000' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.0' uwsgi.core = 0 uwsgi.node = b'ubuntu22' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.20' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7f4ac0d23570> wsgi.multiprocess = True wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'http' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'admin1(a)example.org'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['127.0.0.1', 'mailman.example.com'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = PosixPath('/opt/mailman/web') CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js': 'compressor.js.JsCompressor'} COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'css': ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter', 'compressor.filters.cssmin.rCSSMinFilter'], 'js': ['compressor.filters.jsmin.rJSMinFilter']} COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7f4ac443e050> COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.OfflineManifestFileStorage' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailmanweb', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '5432', 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'OPTIONS': {}, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'NAME': None, 'MIRROR': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'admin1(a)example.org' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_CHARSET = 'utf-8' FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420 FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': 'fulltext_index'}} HYPERKITTY_ENABLE_GRAVATAR = True IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.WatchedFileHandler', 'filename': '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'DEBUG', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['console', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO'}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://mailman.example.com/mailman3/' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default'} ROOT_URLCONF = 'mailman_web.urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = None SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'admin1(a)example.org' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [{'id': 'yahoo', 'name': 'Yahoo', 'openid_url': 'http://me.yahoo.com'}]}, 'google': {'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}}, 'facebook': {'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': ['email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone'], 'VERSION': 'v2.4'}} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = False USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'mailman_web.wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y' -- -- -- -- Thank you.

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"Unsubscribe all" button
by Philippe B Oct. 21, 2022

Oct. 21, 2022

Would it be possible to add a confirmation screen after you click on it? Like: WARNING! Clicking "Confirm" will empty the list of all its existing members, regardless of what was entered on the previous screen. That operation cannot be reversed. Are you absolutely sure that you want no one to be on your list anymore? The reason is that we've had a lot of list owners who populate the "Emails to Unsubscribe" box on the "Mass Removal" page with a subset of the list's subscribers and proceed to click "Unsubscribe all" with the expectation that "all" means all the users explicitly listed in the box. Which means that the site admins have to restore the entire list of subscribers every time... If adding a confirmation screen isn't straightforward, maybe the wording on the buttons could be modified: * Unsubscribe users -> Unsubscribe users listed above * Unsubscribe all -> Empty list of all its existing members (irreversible)!!! In the meantime, this was problematic enough for us that my colleague Dan had to resort to hiding the "Unsubscribe all" button from the web page(s), which isn't ideal.

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HyperKitty failure: {"error": "'Thread' instance needs to have a primary key value before this relationship can be used."} (400)
by Armin Schöffmann Oct. 21, 2022

Oct. 21, 2022

Hello list, using mailman3 as of current gitlab master with db-backend postgresql 14.5, I get the following error whenever a message is handed over to hyperkitty for archiving: Oct 19 11:43:00 2022 (2164807) HyperKitty failure on https://listserv.foo.bar/archives/api/mailman/archive: {"error": "'Thread' instance needs to have a primary key value before this relationship can be used."} (400) Oct 19 11:43:00 2022 (2164807) Could not archive the message with id <kcEE.5Fsdt1DFSK2fk5foEoTfkw.gCYcK5/j2AE@root> Oct 19 11:43:00 2022 (2164807) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list test-list.foo.bar, message <kcEE.5Fsdt1DFSK2fk5foEoTfkw.gCYcK5/j2AE@root>) Oct 19 11:43:00 2022 (2164807) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: {"error": "'Thread' instance needs to have a primary key value before this relationship can be used."} Oct 19 11:43:00 2022 (2164807) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 158, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 228, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: {"error": "'Thread' instance needs to have a primary key value before this relationship can be used."} I already re-created the db, but this doesn't solve the issue. Sounds like db-definitions for model "Thread" are incomplete, but I can't identify the underlying db-objects. Thanks for any input, Armin. -- Aegaeon technologies GmbH phone: +49.941.8107344 fax: +49.941.8107356 Legal disclaimer: http://aegaeon.de/disclaimer/email_all_int.txt

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How to enable VERP?
by Andy Smith Oct. 19, 2022

Oct. 19, 2022

Hi, I'm a little confused as to how to enable VERP. mailman3 Debian package, version 3.3.3-1, using Exim 4 MTA. In /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg I added: [mailman] … verp_delivery_interval: 1 verp_probes: yes and restarted mailman3.service. The list's "Alter Messages / Personalize" setting is "Individual" (but I tried "Full" as well and saw no difference in VERP behaviour). I can see the MTA is doing an individual delivery for each recipient, and the list's custom footer tells the recipient which address they are subscribed under, so I know that part is working. With VERP enabled I was expecting the Return-Path header in the delivered list mail to include a cookie to identify the individual subscriber, but instead it is "listname-bounces(a)example.com" like always. In mailman.cfg my MTA-related settings are: [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.exim4.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.exim4 And the Exim configuration itself has ther macros, router and transport files from the "Exim" section of here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html#configuring-mta edited only for correct paths. That's been working for months for delivering list email in and out, but I'm just now trying to enable VERP and it's not happening. Is there something I'm missing? Thanks, Andy

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cannot bind to lmtp host address through lmtp port(OSError: [Errno 99] error while attempting to bind on address: cannot assign requested address)
by Paul Ssekamatte Oct. 19, 2022

Oct. 19, 2022

i have successfully set up mailman3 instance by following the guide at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/blob/master/source/install/vir… and from this mailing list. my setup uses an alias domain i.e the mail server is different from the lists server. I have successfully created an alias domain and mailing list through Postorius but I keep getting this error in syslog. OSError: [Errno 99] error while attempting to bind on address ('xxx.xx.xx.xx', 8024): cannot assign requested address. Even when I change the port number, I still get the same error Kindly assist. here is my mailman.cfg config [paths.here] var_dir: /opt/mailman/mm/var [mailman] layout: here site_owner: postmaster(a)mail.example.com [database] class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase url: postgres://mailman:#passwd@localhost/mailman [archiver.prototype] enable: yes # For the HyperKitty archiver. [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /opt/mailman/mm/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg [shell] history_file: $var_dir/history.py [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: mail.example.com lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: mail.example.com smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS= ['example.com'] /etc/mailman3/settings.py file is as follows from mailman_web.settings.base import * from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * ADMINS = ( ('Mailman Suite Admin', 'root@localhost'), ) DATABASES = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailmanweb', 'USER': 'mailman', # TODO: Replace this with the password. 'PASSWORD': 'passwd', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '5432', } } STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log' ALLOWED_HOSTS = [ 'localhost', 'lists.example.com', 'mail.example.com', # Archiving API from Mailman, keep it. ] SITE_ID = 1 SECRET_KEY = 'key MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'key DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postmaster(a)example.com' SERVER_EMAIL = 'postmaster(a)example.com' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, "fulltext_index"), }, } /etc/postfix/main.cf is as follows smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no append_dot_mydomain = no readme_directory = no compatibility_level = 2 smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases mydomain = example.com myhostname = lists.example.com mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost relayhost = mail.example.com myorigin = $mydomain mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 10.0.0.0, 192.0.0.1, [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 mynetworks_style = subnet mailbox_size_limit = 4096000000 #message_size_limit = 2048000000 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all #inet_protocols = all inet_protocols = ipv4 unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no virtual_mailbox_domains = example.com virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail virtual_uid_maps = static:20000 virtual_gid_maps = static:20000 transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains virtual_alias_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap postfix domains as follows: lists.example.com example.com postfix lmtp as follows: testlist(a)lists.example.com lmtp:[mail.example.com]:8024 testlist-bounces(a)lists.example.com lmtp:[mail.example.com]:8024 testlist-confirm(a)lists.example.com lmtp:[mail.example.com]:8024 postfix vmap as follows: testlist(a)example.com nmutest(a)lists.example.com testlist-bounces(a)example.com nmutest-bounces(a)lists.example.com testlist-confirm(a)example.com nmutest-confirm(a)lists.example.com

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Mailman 3 Hyperkitty indexes not being built
by tom＠gather.coop Oct. 19, 2022

Oct. 19, 2022

My config looks like this: HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, "fulltext_index"), ... I have whoosh 2.7.4 installed. But my fulltext_index directory contains only one file, _MAIN_0.toc, which hasn't been updated in two years. What could be going on here? Presumably Hyperkitty should be indexing new messages as they are archived. I could run update_index to fix the index now but then it would just go out of date again. Also asked on SO: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/74055901/mailman-3-hyperkitty-indexes-n… Thank you!

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URL-lines in templates get folded
by Frank Steinberg Oct. 18, 2022

Oct. 18, 2022

Hi, I’ve added links to some templates to give owners and moderators shortcuts to the postorius UI for moderation tasks, e.g., I’ve added https://lists.xxx.de/postorius/lists/$list_id/held_messages <https://lists.xxx.de/postorius/lists/$list_id/held_messages> Unfortunately those lines seem to exceed a certain limit and get folded, so that they appear as, e.g. https://lists.xxx.de/postorius/lists/$list_id/held_ <https://lists.xxx.de/postorius/lists/$list_id/held_> messages (or similar) and are not directly useful. Do you have any suggestion for this situation?

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Is there a way to see all the list's held messages
by bob B Oct. 16, 2022

Oct. 16, 2022

I run mailman but do not admin the lists. Is there a way for me to see all the held messages for all the lists?

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Updating installed pkgs in MM3 venv
by Odhiambo Washington Oct. 15, 2022

Oct. 15, 2022

What is the recommended way for updating installed the installed pkgs in MM3 venv - to ensure that nothing breaks? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Upgrading packages
by Eggert Ehmke Oct. 13, 2022

Oct. 13, 2022

Hello Mark & all, I have the venv installation on my Debian 11 system running. I followed your suggestion to upgrade all packages. When upgrading hyperkitty by this command: pip install --upgrade git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty@master I noticed that mistune-2.0.0rc1 was upgraded to mistune-2.0.4. All packages were upgraded fine. I applied the patch to venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/renderer.py to change the mistune import line. When I run now mailman-web migrate I get: *CommandError: Conflicting migrations detected; multiple leaf nodes in the migration graph: (0017_auto_20220628_1132, 0018_alter_emailtemplate_language in postorius).* *To fix them run 'python manage.py makemigrations --merge'* However, when I run the suggested command as: $ python ./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py makemigrations -- merge No conflicts detected to merge. Can I just ignore this behavior? At the moment, I don't dare to carry out these steps on my production system. Would be nice to shed some light on this. Eggert

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Debian 11 mailman3 installation question
by William Oliver Oct. 13, 2022

Oct. 13, 2022

I have had an installation of mailman3 running for a year or so with no problems. This was a manual installation. I ended up having to change machines, so I decided to install using the debian 11 package. It seems to have gone well except.... when I restart mailman3 service, I get the following fail and error message: oot@emergenis:/etc/nginx/sites-enabled# systemctl restart mailman3 Job for mailman3.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status mailman3.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. root@emergenis:/etc/nginx/sites-enabled# systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - Mailman3 server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2022-10-11 15:09:45 EDT; 8s ago Docs: man:mailman(1) https://mailman.readthedocs.io/ Process: 1056 ExecStart=/usr/bin/mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg start --force (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) CPU: 9.193s Oct 11 15:09:43 emergenis.com mailman3[1056]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 109, in start Oct 11 15:09:43 emergenis.com mailman3[1056]: call_name(config.mta.incoming).regenerate() Oct 11 15:09:43 emergenis.com mailman3[1056]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 133, in regenerate Oct 11 15:09:43 emergenis.com mailman3[1056]: raise RuntimeError(NL.join(errors)) Oct 11 15:09:43 emergenis.com mailman3[1056]: RuntimeError: command failure: /usr/sbin/postmap /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp, 1, Operation not permitted Oct 11 15:09:43 emergenis.com mailman3[1056]: command failure: /usr/sbin/postmap /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains, 1, Operation not permitted Oct 11 15:09:45 emergenis.com systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Oct 11 15:09:45 emergenis.com systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Oct 11 15:09:45 emergenis.com systemd[1]: Failed to start Mailman3 server. Oct 11 15:09:45 emergenis.com systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Consumed 9.193s CPU time. Heres the ls for /var/lib/mailman3/data: root@emergenis:/var/lib/mailman3/data# ls -l total 8 -rw-rw---- 1 list list 315 Oct 11 15:09 postfix_domains -rw-rw---- 1 list list 318 Oct 11 15:09 postfix_lmtp The web interface comes up and seems to "work" but of course complains that mailman3 isn't actually running. I assume there's some posfix config I haven't done right, but I am clueless as to what it is. Thanks in advance for any pointers. billo

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Default setting for Delivery status
by Mark Dale Oct. 12, 2022

Oct. 12, 2022

Hi, Where and how do I set the default setting of "Delivery status" to be "Enabled". I'm not seeing any clues in mailman3-web/settings.py At the moment, a new subscriber is neither "Enabled" or "Disabled". Thanks, Mark

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Performance issues with Mailman 3
by Wong, Wesley Oct. 8, 2022

Oct. 8, 2022

Hi, I am having some performance problems with Mailman 3 (version 3.3.5) when it sends out a lot of messages to people. We recently migrated from our old Mailman 2.1.x system to Mailman 3.x about 3 months ago. We host about 350 lists with membership counts varying between 10 to 1500 members on some of the lists. I noticed that outbound messages from Mailman to our outbound SMTP are getting delayed up to an hour when Mailman is processing a lot of messages going to lists. I was wondering if there are good performance tuning tips to be considered for Mailman 3 (i.e. OS, database and/os Mailman Core). I am running the setup on a VM. Here is my configuration for VM and OS: VM config: ESX 6.7 (CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) Gold 6242) 4 CPU 8 GB SLES 15 SP3 Python 3.9.10 MariaDB 10.5.17 Mailman 3.3.5 Thanks. wesley Wesley Wong Senior Systems Engineer Anderson Computing & Information Services | ACIS 310-206-2571 [ucla-logo---new_smaller] ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: image001.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Mailman2 CLI commands for Mailman3
by Dave Hall Oct. 5, 2022

Oct. 5, 2022

Hello. Sorry if this is an old topic. I'm in the process of migrating from 2.1 to 3.2. In my use case one of the advantages of Mailman 2.1 vs services like Google Groups has been the ability to manage lists from the command line. Things like using sync_members to update the list for a committee when the membership of the committee is updated one a year, or like using find_members and remove_members to remove a user from all mailing lists when they leave the organization. Even the ability to script mailing list creation. So far I haven't found these commands in Mailman3. I hope there is a plan to add these soon. Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University kdhall(a)binghamton.edu

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Django site - how to create programmatically - new install
by daniel.botting＠codethink.co.uk Oct. 3, 2022

Oct. 3, 2022

Hi all, I've mainly setup mailman3 to replace our mailman 2.1 install using Ansible, a point I could do with some assistance on is setting the fqdn used programmatically. I've been doing alot of reading before creating this thread. To create a domain I currently navigate to: https://serverfqdn.com/postorius/domains/ and click 'Add Domain'. I believe this is setting the name of the Django site, please accept my apologies if I'm wrong and the SITE_ID=1 is then used, I am only planning to use one domain only. I'm using Postgres and when I check the contents of the Django_mailman3_maildomain table as below afterwards: mailman3web=# TABLE django_mailman3_maildomain; id | mail_domain | site_id ----+--------------------------------------+--------- 1 | mailman3-test2.guest.codethink.co.uk | 1 Many thanks Daniel

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Upgrade Mailmam Core from
by sascha.rissel＠gmail.com Oct. 3, 2022

Oct. 3, 2022

Hello, I have newly set up Mailman 3 on Ubuntu 20.04. Sending and receiving mails between list members does work, but I am currently experiencing two issues: 1) a lists non-members who send mails to the list don't get notified about the message being held for moderation. Moderation itself doesn't seem to work. The moderation list is always empty. 2) Archiving is activated within list settings, but there isn't any archive created. I found this thread, where the first of these issues is also described: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Here there is an incompatibility between Mailmain 3 and Python depicted, which also seems to affect me. I am running Mailman 3.2.2 on Python 3 .8.10. So I need to either upgrade Mailman Core or downgrade Python. I already did > apt-get upgrade > apt-get update Unfortunately this didn't upgrade Mailman Core's version. Which steps do I have to undertake to upgrade Mailman Core? Regards, Sascha.

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All addresses in a bounced list posting seem to be considered as bouncing
by Andy Smith Oct. 1, 2022

Oct. 1, 2022

Hi, I noticed this happened (bounce.log): Jul 09 12:46:51 2022 (71506) Member xxxxx(a)xxxxx.force9.co.uk already scored a bounce on list users.mailman.bitfolk.com today. Jul 09 12:46:51 2022 (71506) Bounce message for a non subscriber: Email users-leave(a)mailman.bitfolk.com is not a subcriber of users.mailman.bitfolk.com Jul 09 12:46:51 2022 (71506) Member andy(a)bitfolk.com on list users.mailman.bitfolk.com, bounce score = 1. Jul 09 12:46:51 2022 (71506) Bounce message for a non subscriber: Email users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com is not a subcriber of users.mailman.bitfolk.com What happened here is that a reply to one of my posts was rejected by subscriber xxxxx(a)xxxxx.force9.co.uk at smtp time (Exim mainlog): 2022-07-09 12:46:13 1oA9qc-007qOx-0T ** xxxxx(a)xxxxx.force9.co.uk R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=mx.avasin.plus.net [212.159.8.200] X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_X25519__RSA_PSS_RSAE_SHA256__AES_256_GCM:256 CV=yes DN="businessCategory=Private Organization,jurisdictionOfIncorporationCountryName=GB,serialNumber=03279013,C=GB,L=Sheffield,O=Plusnet plc,CN=mx.avasin.plus.net": SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: 552 Spam Message Rejected The message contained my email address (andy(a)bitfolk.com) in quoted text, since it was a reply to a message of mine, and also contained addresses from the list's footer, which accounts for the log messages about users-leave(a)mailman.bitfolk.com and users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com. I'm concerned that Mailman seems to have scored my address as bouncing even though it isn't, merely because it appears inside a message that was rejected. Is that expected? Is there any way to avoid it? I see that Mailman has a bunch of heuristics to parse bounce messages. In this case though, there shouldn't have been a bounce message received to users-bounces@, as this was an SMTP-time rejection. Mailman seems to have parsed addresses out of the actual mail it was sending, rather than only scoring the subscriber address it was trying to send a list posting to. Cheers, Andy

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