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MASS mailing list import - 900 ezmlm lists to Mailman
by grant＠horizonsunlimited.com April 20, 2023

April 20, 2023

Hi, I hope someone can help. I have 900-ish, mostly small lists, basically all locations round the globe where people have volunteered to help particular people passing though. Those lists have 2 to 200 people. There are about 50 lists of up to 1000 people each we use for announcements. So two different setups, and a whole lot of manual work. I am moving from an old, now unreliable, host to a new one. Hopefully reliable, certainly cheaper, and better for privacy GDPR etc regs. Mailman is already installed, appears to be version 82?? on cPanel 108.0.15. Ezmlm, no surprise, is not. Installing and configuring it is not something trivial, also have to install gmail etc. Yuck. So, Mailman... going through to create one, I can see that 900 will be my life's work. I'm not a programmer, but reasonably technical, write html, css skills poor but adequate, command line isn't tooo scary, MySQL I don't go near. DOS batch files no problem! :) ANY IDEAS / suggestions appreciated! Thanks, Grant

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Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04?
by Mark London April 16, 2023

April 16, 2023

Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04? If not, will it be possible in the near future? Thanks. Mark

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Link to account
by Lars Bjørndal April 14, 2023

April 14, 2023

Hi, list! On one of my sites, I want to have all Mailman3 links to go under /mailman3. Even though, the Login link goes to a URL like: https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/accounts/login/ How can I ensure it goes to https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/mailman3/accounts/login/ Thanks, Lars

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REST API http://.../3.1/users/../preferred_address returns 404 for GET and POST
by Eric Vyncke April 13, 2023

April 13, 2023

Postorius 1.3.6 does not work anymore when displaying the details of a list that I own (https://lists.XXX.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/rapcs-pilotes.listsXXXorg/) . It worked before but there was several upgrades in between (Ubuntu, apt packages, MySQL, Python). It displays the usual header/footer of the page but with "Something went wrong" above a red box with "HTTP Error 404:". /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log last entries are below (note the 404 result codes in the REST API): Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94 HTTP/1.1" 200 418 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/addresses/eric(a)XXX.org HTTP/1.1" 200 379 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "POST /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log of course has an exception about this 404 result code. Using the MM3 shell, the preferred_address can be displayed and even modified. There are also good values in the MySQL database. Other API endpoints for users work fine (preferences, addresses, ...) Postorius system information is: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.10 (default, Mar 13 2023, 10:26:41) [GCC 9.4.0] Running Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS and Python 3.8 Thanks in advance for any hint to solve this issue (I have held messages that I would love to accept)

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Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'
by Mohsen Masoudfar April 13, 2023

April 13, 2023

I am observing the following error message in the logs for one specific list: = = = relay=email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210]:587, delay=0.27, delays=0.05/0.04/0.12/0.06, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210] said: 554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'. (in reply to end of DATA command)) = = = As I mentioned, this happens for one single list only and this list has not been able to send any email for a week now. After checking mailman-users, I came across the following setting, which seems kind of related to my issue: = = = To distribute messages with valid DKIM signatures, I set remove_dkim_headers: yes in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cf = = = Here are my questions: 1 - I have around 100 lists and this happens for this one list only, so, I am not sure, if the issue might be solved with this change. 2 - Because this happens for this one list only, I would rather change it for this one list only, is there any option available changing it for one list only and not for the whole server? Thanks M

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RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3?
by Markus Ludwig Grandpré April 12, 2023

April 12, 2023

Dear MM§-users, is there a good documentation and example how I can learn to enable django.contrib.auth.backends.RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3? I've already found a detailed documentation (see [1]), but I do not manage to implement this AuthN mechanism for Mailman3. Can you help me? Btw. how can I disable and remove the Fedora button from Maliman3's login page? Best, Markus [1] <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/howto/auth-remote-user/> -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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List notices in French, but subject in English
by Mark Dale April 12, 2023

April 12, 2023

Hi, I have a list set with it's preferred language set as French and the body of the standard notification emails (eg. Welcome message) is correctly sent in French, however the subject of the emails is in English. Can the list be configured so the subject is also in French, or is this an issue with gettext .mo files somewhere? This is on Debian package Mailman 3.3.3 Thanks, Mark

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An archive/read-only list on a full setup?
by Andreas Schamanek April 11, 2023

April 11, 2023

I have a working full installation of mailman3, postorius and hyperkitty (on Debian 11). Now I wanted to host the archive of a remote list, and I am wondering how to do this properly. After I found no documentation and no posting I simply created a list in mailman3 with only 1 dummy member. The list address is subscribed to the actual remote list. So, messages arrive and are archived. But that's not optimal because hyperkitty thinks it's a normal list where it should be read-only and do not allow subscriptions etc. What's the proper way to set up a hyperkitty-only list? -- -- Andreas :-)

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Change base mailman URL path
by chad.hays86＠gmail.com April 8, 2023

April 8, 2023

Hi, I recently completed the a Mailman3 install using these[1] instructions. I'm able to access the web interface, the Django admin app, etc off the root domain URL. For example: https://mydomain.org/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/admin, https://mydomain.org/archives What's the most straightforward way to put all of these URL paths behind a different context? For example: https://mydomain.org/lists/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/lists/admin, https://mydomain.org/lists/archives I'm running Apache2 as my web server and am using mod_proxy to proxy requests to uwsgi. [1] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html

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Debian Package Install - Ownership and Permissions
by Dave Hall April 7, 2023

April 7, 2023

Hello, I know that installing from Debian packages is not the preferred method - unfortunately that's what I'm stuck with at the moment. I have an installation that is sort of working, but there seems to be a lot of issues relating to ownership and permissions that I'll have to manage by hand, so I am asking for some guidance. I'm seeing an interplay between 'list' (the existing Mailman2 user), www-data (the Apache user) and root. Given that it seems like almost everything that's part of mailman3-web/django/hyperkitty is running in uwsgi, should I maybe change /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini to use 'list' as the uid/gid rather than www-data and then also change any user/group permission to 'list' as well? Thanks -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

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Problem with starting core - problem getting a lock on something
by Jens Günther April 6, 2023

April 6, 2023

Unfortunately our mailman-core-container doesn't start anymore correctly. We updated lately to v0.4.5 and it ran smoothly for the last 4 weeks. This morning the RAM crashed and I then had to restore some things since the RAID was affected. Anyway, the container doesn't get up anymore although we didn't change anything in the setup. Does anybody know what the error means and how we could fix that? "Could not acquire the lock" normally means that some permissions aren't right ... right? Actually I don't know where to start. What I already did: remove the container completely and rebuild it. Thank you in advance! Jens. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 125, in acquire_lock_1 lock.lock(timedelta(seconds=0.1)) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 386, in lock raise TimeOutError('Could not acquire the lock') flufl.lock._lockfile.TimeOutError: Could not acquire the lock During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 237, in details lockfile, hostname, pid, random_ignored = filename.split( ValueError: not enough values to unpack (expected 4, got 1) The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/master", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 580, in main lock = acquire_lock(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 151, in acquire_lock lock = acquire_lock_1(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 131, in acquire_lock_1 hostname, pid, tempfile = lock.details File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 241, in details raise NotLockedError('Details are unavailable') from error flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Details are unavailable

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Hyperkitty shows "<" as <
by Andreas Schamanek April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hi fellow Hyperkitties, I migrated from Mailman 2 to 3 and imported my 1st list via `manage.py hyperkitty_import` to Hyperkitty 1.3.4 (the Debian package), but that might not even be relevant to my problem: All "<" and ">" in old and new messages are shown as "<" and ">" in message views _however_ they are shown correctly in overview abstracts e.g. at //server/mm3/hyperkitty/list/testlist@server/latest Is this a bug in Hyperkitty? Or is our server doing something funky? -- -- Andreas :-)

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Mailman and Mailman-web databases
by Andrew Hodgson April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hi. Just come out of a bit of a server reorg where I followed the new instructions to get Mailman3 up and running with Mailman-web. Virtualenv Installation - Mailman Suite 3.3 documentation (list.org)<https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> In these instructions we are using 2 databases for the Mailman and Django components. I guess it doesn't harm anything to have just one database for both but wondered whether it was a good idea to split eventually? Thanks. Andrew.

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Database Schema - v3.2.1 to v3.3.3
by Dave Hall April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hello. Have 4 Debian servers running Mailman3 v3.2.1 and sharing the same external MySql databases for Mailman3 and Mailman3-web. I am in the process of migrating to v3.3.3. It would be easiest to perform this upgrade one server at a time, but this would mean that for a short time I would have v3.2.1 and v3.3.3 using the same databases. I am wondering if there are any MySql schema differences between the two versions. If there are, having the two different versions 'cohabitating' won't work.. Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

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Held messages page not rendering the message
by mike-mailman＠earth.li April 4, 2023

April 4, 2023

Hi When the list moderator goes to the held_messages page, they correctly get a list of the held messages and can accept/reject/discard them However, clicking on the individual message to read it doesn't work - it does nothing visible at all. From debug I can see it requests /mailman3/postorius/api/list/<list>/held_message/1/ which returns correctly (and the body includes the message as expected) - but it never renders it Any idea what could be wrong? Thanks -- Mike

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upgrading in FreeBSD 13.1-p7: problem with aiosmtpd and lmtp runner
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) April 4, 2023

April 4, 2023

As you could have read yesterday, I had problems upgrading to the last versions of mailman3 related apps. The lmtp runner stopped after upgrade and showed and error in aiosmtpd package. the O.S. version running may servers is FreeBSD 13.1-p7 That was in a mailman3 server with few lists and traffic. O did the upgrade today in the server that has many lists and hard traffic. When I restarted mailman it showed this trace: Generating MTA alias maps /usr/local/mailman3 # Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/runner", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'runner')()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 184, in main runner = make_runner(*runner_spec, once=once) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 70, in make_runner return runner_class(name, slice) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/runners/lmtp.py", line 295, in __init__ self.lmtp = LMTPController(LMTPHandler(), hostname=hostname, port=port) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 417, in __init__ self._localhost = get_localhost() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 66, in get_localhost with makesock(AF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM) as sock: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/socket.py", line 232, in __init__ _socket.socket.__init__(self, family, type, proto, fileno) OSError: [Errno 43] Protocol not supported As Mark pointed it can be circunverted modifying /PATH_TO_YOUR_PYTHON/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py and changing the 49th line as this: # Helper function to assist in mocking^M ## return has_ipv6^M return False After that, restarting mailman 3 works perfectly. It seems that FreeBSD is handling IPv6 in a way that other OSs dont. It surprise me, because FreeBSD was the first OS where IPv6 was deployed, but it is what it is. Thaks to everybody for your patience, specially Odhiambo and Mark. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Custom Archiver
by Stephen J. Turnbull April 3, 2023

April 3, 2023

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/1/23 16:33, Peter Knowles wrote: > > That all being said, on a slight segway... Aside from using the > > REST API, is it practical or possible to manipulate the database > > directly? That is, in doing so would it just work or are there > > extra moving parts when an API request is issued? > > It probably is possible, but I would definitely discourage it. The > REST API should provide everything you need without your having to > reimplement everything it does. I think it would probably be a really heavy lift, because Mailman internally uses an object-relational manager, SQAlchemy. We occasionally change the schema, and SQAalchemy will automatically upgrade the database schema. You would have to handle that by hand in your code. I would recommend you get the sources for mailmanclient (https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient, iirc). They're quite repetitive, you wouldn't want to literally port them, but once you're familiar with the scaffolding and a couple of the commands you should be able to write a lot of PHP really fast to cover the REST endpioints you most need in a library with an API to your taste. Steve

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Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list
by Andrew Hodgson April 2, 2023

April 2, 2023

Hi, I have noticed recently I have around 2000 bogus sign-ups that have created accounts in Django. Looking through the logs these have come from the Postorius sign-up pages. I checked and email confirmation is required before the accounts are created and the email addresses that have been used do seem like they could respond to these requests. I don't want to add captchas to the form right now but is there any way to clean out these users from the database perhaps periodically based on whether the accounts are subscribed to any list? Thanks. Andrew.

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Custom Archiver
by pknowles＠tpnsolutions.com April 2, 2023

April 2, 2023

I'm playing around with installing Mailman Core, and want to have messages on a "per-list" basis sent to a special "archiver" address which I intend to make archives available at via a custom built "read-only" IMAP client. How would I go about having messages sent to this external address, short of adding the address as a subscriber?

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lmtp runner not starting
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

This morning I upgraded the mailman3 installation of the less traffic server I have: a bunch of lists, with very slow traffic. (see pip lists at the end) I sent test mails to a pair of lists, but none were distributed or archived. postorius seemed working well. First I thought it was some I did wrong in the upgrade procedure, but then I realized the lmtp runner was not running. I followed old messages about similar problem (many of them in this same mailman-users list), but I cannot see what is wrong. There is no error logged in mailman.log. the mailman.cfg of the lmtp is the default (and was working at least a pair of weeks ago) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* from mailman.cfg [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* There is no one listening in port 8024. I tried changing the port (to 9024), with the same results. postfix seems working well. I's just there is nothing listening on port 8024 because lmtp runner is not running :) (from maillog): connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024: Connection refused (another simple test) root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # telnet localhost 8024 Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused I'm running out of ideas. Any clue to somewhere to dig in? *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* runners started Apr 01 17:24:40 2023 (4681) out runner started. Apr 01 17:24:40 2023 (4680) virgin runner started. Apr 01 17:24:41 2023 (4679) command runner started. Apr 01 17:24:42 2023 (4688) retry runner started. Apr 01 17:24:43 2023 (4686) in runner started. Apr 01 17:24:44 2023 (4683) digest runner started. Apr 01 17:24:44 2023 (4684) nntp runner started. Apr 01 17:24:45 2023 (4682) archive runner started. Apr 01 17:24:46 2023 (4685) bounces runner started. Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) task runner started. Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted expired cache entries Apr 01 17:24:48 2023 (4678) pipeline runner started. Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted expired cache entries *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* pip lists with versions installed root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep mailman django-mailman3 1.3.9 mailman 3.3.8 mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1 mailmanclient 3.3.5 root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep django django-allauth 0.51.0 django-appconf 1.0.5 django-compressor 4.0 django-extensions 3.2.0 django-gravatar2 1.4.4 django-haystack 3.2.1 django-mailman3 1.3.9 django-picklefield 3.1 django-q 1.3.9 djangorestframework 3.13.1 root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep postorius postorius 1.3.8 -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Email discard
by qro＠xs4all.nl April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

Hi I have a good working mailman3 list server with 3 mailing lists. 2 of them work OK, but 1 has a little odd behaiver If a non member send an email it will discard while the setting in /postorius/lists/list.name.nl/settings/message_acceptance shows Hold for moderation A snip from var/mailman3/mailman.log Apr 01 10:48:32 2023 (49342) DISCARD: <4359976d-d4bb-9b30-0901-c842aa1fecb3(a)xs4all.nl>; ['The message is not from a list member'] Changing and saving a other choice makes no difference. Where can I look more to find a solution? (in mysql?) Peter

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Dealing with spam from Web users
by Jeremy Stanley April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

We recently migrated a bunch of lists from 2.1 to 3.3.7 and have started to get spammers posting via HyperKitty (because I guess that's easier for them than SMTP). It looks like I should be able to set posts from HyperKitty to be automatically moderated by creating a header filter on "User-Agent" matching "HyperKitty" but is there a better/easier way? Also, for things which already went out to the list, obviously I can ban the spammer but what's the cleanest solution for removing their posts from list archives so that we don't further their goals by continuing to publish their handiwork? -- Jeremy Stanley

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Need some help getting this working...
by Marisa Giancarla March 31, 2023

March 31, 2023

I'm trying to get mailman set up again (don't ask what happened) and I am having trouble. Anyone interested in working with me to resolve the issues? I'm trying to run itonUbuntu22.04 if that makes a difference. I can provide shell access to the mail server... Thanks for the attention! Marisa -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

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Question about whitlisting a domain for specific mailing list
by Zaheer Abbas March 30, 2023

March 30, 2023

Hi All, I need to whitelist a domain for a specific mailing list on your platform. Only *(a)example.com email addresses should be allowed to post messages to this list. Could you please provide me with documentation or instructions on how to achieve this? I have already searched the knowledge base and user manuals without success. I believe it was previously available in mailman2 via Accept_these_nonmembers attribute. But I cannot find this attribute anywhere on postorius. I am using mailman 3.2.2 Any help would be really appreciated. Best regards, -- *ZA*

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500 error on Held Messages page
by Dan Caballero March 30, 2023

March 30, 2023

Hello, I searched the list but couldn't find anything specific to the error seeing with held messages for this specific list. See output below from the mailman.log. The problem doesn't seem to be related to the database listarchiver table. Please advise. -- Dan Caballero Caltech Systems Administrator MySQL [mailman3_prod]> select * from listarchiver where mailing_list_id='4899'; +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ | id | mailing_list_id | name | _is_enabled | +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ | 1872 | 4899 | mhonarc | 0 | | 1873 | 4899 | mail-archive | 0 | | 1874 | 4899 | prototype | 0 | | 1875 | 4899 | hyperkitty | 1 | +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ 4 rows in set (0.001 sec) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2022-09-20 14:44:17 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/jewishlife(a)caltech.edu/held?count=10&page=1 => Traceback (most recent call last): File "falcon/app.py", line 365, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 182, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in _make_collection entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in <listcomp> entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 173, in _resource_as_dict assert resource is not None, resource AssertionError: None

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Re: 404 on fresh install (Debian11)
by Stephen Turnbull March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Sorry about breaking the thread, institution system "upgrade" to O365 broke my world so I'm cutting and pasting into Outlook. comprepair_jimberg--- via Mailman-users writes: > Can you setup Mailman3 for me? I have done apt install > mailman3-full but I have no clue whaat I am doing. You should seriously consider either going for a managed host or hiring somebody. Unfortunately, you're asking a bit much for volunteer help. The problem is that Debian uses the FHS layout with the system Python,while we core devs recommend and use a self-contained "virtual environment" with an /opt-style layout. Debian also applies patches that may or may not be backports from more recent versions. We just don't know what's going to go wrong on a distro install. Mailman also has dependencies on several system components (webserver, mailserver, WSGI implementation, SQL database, text indexer) which each come in multiple flavors, but the range of combinations we're familiar with is limited and may not even include the Debian default list. Once you have a working Mailman installation we'll be happy to help you tune it, though. (And you don't need core devs for that anyway, other Mailman site admins who hang out here can often help as well as well as we can.) We are much more likely to have knowledge and experience to help with a virtual environment install as described in https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… Here's an alternative, "from the ground up" step by step description of a specific combination of components: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 I think it should work just fine for Debian 11 as well. The author of "Mailman3 On Debian10" was a hosting and mailing list service provider, and used this recipe for all his hosts. Regards, Steve

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Sending a message to a subscription applicant when a subscription request is made
by Allan Hansen March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Dear Mailman 3 wizards, Our subscription process requires that the applicant answers a few questions and sends them to the list moderator. Not having a template that gets sent on all subscribe requests, I'm using the 'list:admin:action:subscribe' template. This gets sent to the list moderator, who then sends it forward to the applicant. This is rather tedious. I would like the template to be sent directly to the applicant. There is a template, 'list:user:action:subscribe' that almost does this, but it gets sent only if the email address of the applicant is unverified. A good number of our applicants are already on our lists, so they would not get this template if we set the Subscription Policy to 'Confirm, then moderate'. Our Subscription Policy is currently: 'Moderate' for all lists. I figure that three modifications can be used to fix this: a. That we change the lines in the Python program in our installation that send 'list:admin:action:subscribe' to the list admins to instead send the template to the applying subscriber. b. That we change the lines in the Python program in our installation that send 'list:user:action:subscribe' to the subscriber with an unverified address to always do this, even when the incoming address has already been verified. c. That the current 'list:user:action:subscribe' be changed in published Mailman 3 source to 'list:user:action:confirm' and a new template ''list:user:action:subscribe' be set up to be sent when any subscribe request is made. This is more work, of course, so not likely a good thing to hack locally. It could be useful to other users. Any suggestions on how to best and most quickly do the above would be appreciated, starting with (a.) or (b.). Clearly, (a.) and (b.), if we do one of those, are hacks that will need to be applied upon Mailman updates. That's fine by me, as I'm in rush to get this done. I'd welcome pointers as to which file to change and how. Of these two options, which would be the least work? (c.) could be entered as a longer-term enhancement request. I can submit that request if you like. Yours, Allan Hansen P.S.: Thank you for the enhancement that lets moderators see the member lists. It has been a big help for us. GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:VWy26K4pUfU4jw@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass

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404 on fresh install (Debian11)
by thomas＠lydra.fr March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Hello, very new to mailman3, I used to manage mailman2 on a Debian 10 server. The server has been upgraded to Debian 11 and mailman2 disappear… I try fresh install of mailman3, prerequisite to data migration, but without success. If some can help, I would be really greatful. Here is my path: - `mailman3-full` install with apt. MySQL config since I have this DBMS - `python3-pymysql` install with apt after seeing errors in logs - Apache2 configuration (other virtual hosts are present) ```apache2 <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName newsletter.mydomain.tld Alias /static /var/lib/mailman3/web/static Alias /favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico DocumentRoot /var/lib/mailman3/web/static <Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static"> Require all granted </Directory> ProxyPassMatch ^/static ! ProxyPass / http://localhost:8001/ ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8001/ ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_error.log CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_access.log combined </VirtualHost> ``` And now I have a 404 answer when consulting my http page. When trying to access `/static` sub-path, I get `Cannot serve directory /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/admin/: No matching DirectoryIndex found`. I also tried `ProxyPass / unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost` but also fails with `No protocol handler was valid for the URL / (scheme 'uwsgi')` I am a bit lost with that. Thanks for your help

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NGINX reports 502 after fresh install
by Mailman March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Hi All, I'm working my way through the recommended installation in a Python virtual environment. I seem to have the components installed and working but when I try to access the web interface I receive an error 502 from the web server. I'm assuming I've misconfigured something in Nginx. What details are needed for a diagnosis? Thanks, Chris P

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Social signup?
by Duane Raymond March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Hi everyone, Is there a way to enable social signup (vs just login for existing users)? I've just implemented social login on my mailman lists, but realised it seems to be only login, and not signup...or at least I couldn't fine specific info to enable social signup. Is social signup something anyone has implemented (and if so how). If not, I suspect there might be a good reason (e.g. privacy, security, etc) but I'd love to hear it :-) Duane

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Mailman 3 database restore unexpected behavior
by Tibor Molnar March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Mailman3 built from source using virtual environment. Version: GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg Issue: I have restored the database number of times recently and experienced that every time after restoration (an hour after) all members getting an email that they are unsubscribed due to bounces, however non of the users are actually unsubscribed from any lists. It looks like there are duplicates in database and all the duplicates are getting unsubscribed? Bounces message: name(a)email.com unsubscribed from [listname] mailing list due to bounces Only restoring two files: mailman3 and mailman3web Did anyone come acroos this behavior ? It is not right that after restoring a database all 1000 user get an email that they are unsubscribed, but they are actually not. I may do something wrong during the restoring process. Please advise me.

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How to list all nonmembers from a list?
by Jens Günther March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Hey there, I wanted to list all nonmembers from a list, I just can't find an easy way to do it. For listing members of a list it is quite clear: mailman members $mylist Is there a similar way for nonmembers!? Actually I'm pretty sure, that one can do it with the shell and I found some documentation on that. But I'm kind of a noob in these things and already tried a little around, but can't get anything to work: dump_members(mlist.nonmembers.members) from https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… Help qould be highly appreciated, thanks in advance! Jens.

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Is it possible to give the supporter team list administrator rights to all lists
by Henrik Rasmussen March 27, 2023

March 27, 2023

Having everyone in our support team logging in using the same Mailman system administrator account is obviously far from good practice. Therefore, as the Mailman system administrator, all support is on my shoulders. Is there any way to create an administrator account for each supporter, so they can support the list administrators with their lists, without having access rights to the full system, as the Mailman list administrator have? If not, I would have to make a workaround, programmatically (API) granting every supporter owner access to every list. Your sincerely Henrik Rasmussen System administrator University of Copenhagen

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Installing Mailman for the first time
by comprepair_jimberg＠icloud.com March 25, 2023

March 25, 2023

I am running Debian 11 Server and wanting to install Mailman 3 Will this work for what I am trying to do? https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 If not is there a shorter list of steps to accomplish what I am trying to do? Jim

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Subscription requests = 0 ? Bug or feature?
by Odhiambo Washington March 24, 2023

March 24, 2023

Even though I have a "Pending confirmation" request, the total entries under the subscription requests reads zero. I thought it should read whatever the total of (pending confirmation + pending approval) is. https://imgur.com/a/jq9B44S -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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moving individual list to different domain
by Johannes Rohr March 22, 2023

March 22, 2023

Dear all, on mailman2 it was possible to move a list to a different domain within the same mailman instance. I have found no information on how the same can be accomplished on mailman3. Is this possible at all? Thanks! Johannes

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Subscription Requests
by Odhiambo Washington March 22, 2023

March 22, 2023

It would be nice to have a "Submission Date" field added to the table for both requests "pending confirmation" and "pending approval" the same way we have a hold_date for held messages. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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eccentric setup question
by Jeff Berry March 21, 2023

March 21, 2023

Good morning all, we've got a somewhat eccentric setup for our mailman installation, and we're having difficulty getting some of the settings to work properly, so I'm hoping some one has some insight. Our server machine is hidden behind our firewall, with the actual machine name not availble via external DNS) and all the mail is being routed through an Exchange server. So mail to list(a)domain.com hits our exchange server, which sends it on to lists(a)listserver.domain.com The problem we're having is that if the mailman domain of the list is listserver.domain.com then spamfilters start to flag the mail since it looks like spoofing/malformed headers and so on. If the mailman domain is just domain.com then postfix rejects it with an unknown local recipient error. I though I might be able to just tweak the incoming mail headers in postfix via header_checks but that's not working, either because I've got the wrong check or it's the wrong approach, or both. postfix relay_domains might do it, I think, but if it maps listserver.domain.com to domain.com that would break the listserver domain mailing lists (I think). Is there a canonical way to do this and/or have I missed some obvious configuration option in either mailman or postfix? Kind regards, Jeff Berry jeff.berry(a)mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk

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Need help setting up mailman3 on ubuntu 20.04...
by Marisa Giancarla March 20, 2023

March 20, 2023

I'm trying to get mailman3 up on ubuntu using the debian package. I did the "apt install mailman3-full" and it does seem to have installed as both the mailman3 & mailman3-web processes are running. I can use "mailman create" in the command-line and "mailman lists" displays the lists I created. What I am having issues with is I don't see any entries in/etc/aliases, and I don't know how to access the web interface (as either admin or user). Can someone point me to what I need to do to finish it? Thanks, Marisa

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New year releases!
by Abhilash Raj March 18, 2023

March 18, 2023

Hello Everyone, Happy new year! I am pleased to announce several new releases for GNU Mailman project. 1. Mailman Core 3.3.8 [1] 2. Postorius 1.3.8 [2] 3. Hyperkitty 1.3.7 [3] 4. Mailmanclient 3.3.5 [4] 5. Django-mailman3 1.3.9 [5] 6. Mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1 [6] All the releases are published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ A full list of change logs are available below: [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [2]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-8 [3]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-7 [4]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… [5]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst [6]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/-/blob/master/README.rst Finally, the minimum Python version required is 3.7, and all the components now support Python 3.7 to 3.11. Thanks to all the contributors for making this release possible! If you find any issues, you can report them at the respective bug tracker for the projects. The links to issue trackers are available here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ Installation documentation is available at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html and if you are upgrading an existing virtualenv install you can refer https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Pd CRON mailman gatenews
by Pierre Malard March 18, 2023

March 18, 2023

Hello, Our infrastructure: VM Debian 11 Mailman3 3.3.3-1 from BullsEye Main repository We have recently been receiving this kind of messages from CRON with the execution of "mailman gatenews" : —————————————————————————————————————————————————— Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 321, in lock os.link <http://os.link/>(self._claimfile, self._lockfile) FileExistsError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck|listesman.int.cines.teledetection.fr <http://listesman.int.cines.teledetection.fr/>|466566|5365511256557879875' -> '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.3', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 829, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 781, in main with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 700, in make_context self.parse_args(ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1212, in parse_args rest = Command.parse_args(self, ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1048, in parse_args value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1630, in handle_parse_result value = invoke_param_callback(self.callback, ctx, self, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 123, in invoke_param_callback return callback(ctx, param, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 94, in initialize_config initialize(value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 218, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 177, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 50, in create with Lock(os.path.join(config.LOCK_DIR, 'dbcreate.lck')): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 439, in __enter__ self.lock() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 353, in lock elif self._read() == self._claimfile: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 502, in _read with open(self._lockfile) as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck' —————————————————————————————————————————————————— CRON content: —————————————————————————————————————————————————— # /etc/cron.d/mailman3: crontab entries for the mailman3 package SHELL=/bin/sh PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin # At 8AM, send out notifices of pending requests to list moderators 0 8 * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman notify; fi # At 12AM, send mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshold delivery 0 12 * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman digests --periodic; fi # Every 15 minutes, gate messages from usenet to those lists which have the gateway configured */15 * * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman gatenews; fi —————————————————————————————————————————————————— I thought, given the last line, a problem of rights. It is not the case ! The directory and the files contained in /var/lib/mailman3/locks belong to the user "list". When I run "/usr/bin/mailman gatenews" by hand everything is correct. The questions I have are these: We have 8000 files "dbcreate.lck..." in the directory "/var/lib/mailman3/locks". What are they for? Can we delete them? We have 2 files "master.lck..." dated from the day after tomorrow ! What is this date? Aren't these files the problem? Thanks for your help -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France À propos de nos chers économistes : «Les habiles, dans notre siècle, se sont décernés a eux-mêmes la qualification d’homme d’état. [...] ces politiques, ingénieux a mettre aux fictions profitables un masque de nécessité.» Victor Hugo : “Les misérables”, La pléiade, Gallimard, P. 843 |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France «Le courage, c'est de chercher la vérité et de la dire, c'est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.» Jean Jaures - "Discours de jeunesse" - 1903 ("`-/")_.-'"``-._ . . `; -._ )-;-,_`) (v_,)' _ )`-.\ ``-' _.- _..-_/ / ((.' ((,.-' ((,/ πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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IndexError in archiving queue
by Jacob Sievert March 16, 2023

March 16, 2023

Hello, it seems I have forgotten where I can kick an email out of the archiving queue as it produces this error in a loop. Might one of you know where I can do that? Thanks in advance. Error for reference: ``` During handling of the above exception (expected atom at a start of dot-atom-text but found '[a9920f8aa52d4a9093e21255f8fb2673-JFBVALKQOJXWILKCJQZFA7CJIFGVGU2QKJ6FGU2QKJCW2YLJNR6EK6DPKNWXI4A=(a)microsoft.com]>'), another exception occurred: File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py", line 43, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 117, in _decorator return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py", line 54, in wrapped_view return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 163, in archive add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py", line 65, in add_to_list msg_id = get_message_id(message) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 60, in get_message_id msg_id = email.utils.unquote(re.sub(r'\s', '', message['Message-Id'])) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/message.py", line 391, in __getitem__ the values matching a header field name. File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/message.py", line 471, in get for k, v in self._headers: File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/policy.py", line 163, in header_fetch_parse return self.header_factory(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/headerregistry.py", line 601, in __call__ return self[name](name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/headerregistry.py", line 196, in __new__ cls.parse(value, kwds) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/headerregistry.py", line 529, in parse kwds['parse_tree'] = parse_tree = cls.value_parser(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2126, in parse_message_id token, value = get_msg_id(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2073, in get_msg_id token, value = get_obs_local_part(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1516, in get_obs_local_part if (obs_local_part[0].token_type == 'dot' or ``` regards Jacob

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problem configuring mailman3 on debian bullseye
by Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione territoriale di Brescia March 16, 2023

March 16, 2023

Hello all, I'm a blind server administrator living in Italy. I use mailman since 2010 and I was very happy for this list manager. When was released the version 3 I started to have many problems to configure it. In this days I installed a new server for my association and I have this problem that I don't know to solve. The server is a debian bullseye. I installed mailman3-full from the standard packege. I'm using nginx as web server. I configured mailman3 and mailman3-web wit https support. All is working fine, but if I attempt to subscribe someone it does not work. I send a subscription e-mail to the address list and I receive correctly the request to confirm subscription. When I reply to the request mailman log gives this error: requests.exceptions.SSLError: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /postorius/api/templates/list/listname.domain/list:user:notice:welcome (Caused by SSLError(SSLCertVerificationError("hostname 'localhost' doesn't match either of 'example.com', 'www.example.com'"))) The strange thing is that I configured a domain list.example.com and in the configuration files I put this domain. Mailman3-web works fine I can create lists and make settings. Have you an idea about this issue? Thanks -- Roberto Burceni Servizio informatico sezionale Tel. 0302209417 (lunedì e giovedì mattina dalle 9:00 alle 13:00, martedì emercoledì pomeriggio dalle 14:00 alle 18:00 E-mail: servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it Sito web: https://www.uicibrescia.it

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Change 'from' server for outgoing messages
by Benjamin Goldberg March 12, 2023

March 12, 2023

Hi. I'm running mailman3 on a VPS. The hostname of the VPS is not the hostname that I'm using for mailman3. The webapp is using an Apache Virtual host. I am routing outgoing emails through a third-party smtp relay. The VPS hostname is smart.bnmng.com and the mailing list hostname is 757pug.org Signup confirmation and welcome emails are working. They appear to be coming from the intended host, which is 757pug.org But emails from the mailing lists are being blocked by the smtp relay. I think it's because they are not coming from 757pug.org; They are coming from smart.bnmng.com All of the mailinglists' mail_host fields are correct, 757pug.org from mailman.cfg: incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: smtp.mailersend.net smtp_port: 587 smtp_secure_mode: starttls smtp_user: (my relay service username) smtp_pass: (my relay service password) from settings.py: DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'admin(a)757pug.org' SERVER_EMAIL = 'admin(a)757pug.org' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'smtp.mailersend.net' EMAIL_USE_TLS = True EMAIL_PORT = 587 EMAIL_HOST_USER = (my relay service username) EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = (my relay service password) So it seems like mailman core is not using the mail_host field. How can I fix that? Thank you

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MM2 -> MM3 Migration: listinfo page
by Odhiambo Washington March 10, 2023

March 10, 2023

I have migrated from MM2 to MM3. However, writing HTML is not one of my strengths. I need to edit my MM2 listinfo page to: a. Remove everything below the "Subscribing to LISTNAME" heading and below that add a link to the new http://WEBSERVER/accounts/signup/ which ideally should open on a new browser tab. b. Add a link to the new archives at https://WEBSERVER/archives/list/$list_id/ For those who have migrated from MM2 to MM3, does someone have an elegantly modified listinfo page they are willing to share? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Where to configure 'hostname' used in 'From:'-header?
by Dmitri Heerdegen March 10, 2023

March 10, 2023

Hello, I've recently installed MM3 with Exim4 on, say, subdomain.myhost.tld and configured MM3 to use lists.someotherdomain.tld as web host and mail host. Thus, the mailman.cfg contains: [mta] smtp_host: lists.someotherdomain.tld When I send a message to test(a)lists.someotherdomain.tld it gets delivered, however the 'From:'-header becomes "test(a)subdomain.myhost.tld".

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Mailing list resends same email multiple times
by 朱超 March 10, 2023

March 10, 2023

Hello, I need your help. There have question about Scenes: Add mailbox a and mailbox b to mailing lists c and mailing lists d, and send mail to mailing list c and mailing list d through mailbox b , among which a has received many mails sent by b, check the log and find: The file about path:/opt/mailman /var/queue/bounces has the content of retrying mail, but I turned off process bounces. Mailing list sends mail via exim, logs found in exim： 023-03-09 00:54:47 1pa4YR-001xk5-0y <= <> R=1pa4YM-001xje-1F U=exim P=local S=7672 T="Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender" from <> Thanks TomNewChao

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Attack on Mailman Server?
by Eggert Ehmke March 9, 2023

March 9, 2023

I had some attacks on my wordpress homepage today, I added some IPs to the blacklist of my firewall. At the same time, I got several reports like this: Internal Server Error: /accounts/signup/ TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/signup/ 429.html Request Method: OPTIONS Request URL: https://lists.eehmke.de/accounts/signup/ Django Version: 3.2.16 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/ python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/ python3.9/site-packages'] Server time: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 13:09:34 +0100 So it seems there were attempts to register new users but this caused this internal error. Where can I send the complete error message?

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Permissions issue after upgrade of virtualenv
by Odhiambo Washington March 9, 2023

March 9, 2023

Ola, So I installed a new virtualenv using Python3.11, kept all settings intact, copied /opt/mailman/mmvar from the old virtualenv to the new one. Trying to access Postorius, I am greeted with this error: Thu Mar 09 22:17:59.313459 2023] [core:error] [pid 15655] (13)Permission denied: [client 197.232.xx.xx:26574] AH00035: access to / denied (filesystem path '/opt/mailman/mm') because search permissions are missing on a component of the path, referer: https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/ I did not change Apache config and I made sure that /opt/mailman is all owned by mailman:mailman. What am I missing? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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mail for lists.ccalternatives.org loops back to myself, then Recipient address rejected
by Christian Stalberg March 8, 2023

March 8, 2023

Environment: Debian 10; Postfix 3.4.14; GNU Mailman 3.3.5; Mailman Core API Version 3.1; Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3 Digging a hole after having simply created a new mailing list. This has not happened before. Steps taken: -Created list via web interface -Added subscribers via web interface -Sent email to listname -Received error bounce: This is the mail system at host zarathustra.ccalternatives.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: mail for lists.ccalternatives.org loops back to myself -Added lists.ccalternatives.org to the mydestination line in /etc/postfix/main.cf and restarted Postfix -Now a new error message: <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: host lists.ccalternatives.org[192.46.218.224] said: 550 5.1.1 <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table (in reply to RCPT TO command)

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bounce_score_threshold control
by Tibor Molnar March 8, 2023

March 8, 2023

Hi guys, I have recently started receiving these mails from the system. First it was frighting me out that people's account got disabled, but actually nothing has happened, nobody got disabled. I however looking to figure out how can I control or change settings for this particular mechanism. Please advise me. emailname(a)example.it's subscription has been disabled on listname(a)domain.eu due to their bounce score exceeding the mailing list's bounce_score_threshold. Regards, Tibor

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MM3+Python3.11
by Odhiambo Washington March 7, 2023

March 7, 2023

Has MM3 been tested with Python3.11? I updated a Debian VM to Python3.11, installed MM3 and migrated the configs. However, I am unable to get past the following error: root@debian:/home/wash# less /opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log worker 2 buried after 1 seconds goodbye to uWSGI. *** Starting uWSGI 2.0.21 (64bit) on [Mon Mar 6 14:27:20 2023] *** compiled with version: 10.2.1 20210110 on 21 February 2023 07:16:19 os: Linux-6.1.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.12-1 (2023-02-15) nodename: debian machine: x86_64 clock source: unix detected number of CPU cores: 16 current working directory: / writing pidfile to /opt/mailman/mm/var/uwsgi.pid detected binary path: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi !!! no internal routing support, rebuild with pcre support !!! your processes number limit is 31427 your memory page size is 4096 bytes detected max file descriptor number: 1024 lock engine: pthread robust mutexes thunder lock: disabled (you can enable it with --thunder-lock) uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8000 fd 8 uwsgi socket 1 bound to UNIX address /opt/mailman/mm/var/uwsgi.sock fd 9 Python version: 3.11.2 (main, Feb 21 2023, 02:03:40) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] PEP 405 virtualenv detected: /opt/mailman/venv/ Set PythonHome to /opt/mailman/venv/ Python main interpreter initialized at 0x560130dd7df8 python threads support enabled your server socket listen backlog is limited to 100 connections your mercy for graceful operations on workers is 60 seconds mapped 250128 bytes (244 KB) for 4 cores *** Operational MODE: preforking+threaded *** Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/wsgi.py", line 10, in <module> from django.core.wsgi import get_wsgi_application File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 1, in <module> from django.utils.version import get_version File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/utils/version.py", line 1, in <module> import datetime File "/usr/lib/python3.11/datetime.py", line 12, in <module> import math as _math ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'math' unable to load app 0 (mountpoint='') (callable not found or import error) *** no app loaded. going in full dynamic mode *** *** uWSGI is running in multiple interpreter mode *** spawned uWSGI master process (pid: 117115) spawned uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 117118, cores: 2) spawned uWSGI worker 2 (pid: 117119, cores: 2) [uwsgi-daemons] spawning "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster" (uid: 1001 gid: 1001) 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Q Cluster vegan-arizona-massachusetts-texas starting. 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 117129 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 117130 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 ready for work at 117131 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 ready for work at 117132 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:5 ready for work at 117133 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:6 ready for work at 117134 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:7 ready for work at 117135 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:8 ready for work at 117136 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:9 ready for work at 117137 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:10 ready for work at 117138 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:11 ready for work at 117139 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:12 ready for work at 117140 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:13 ready for work at 117141 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:14 ready for work at 117142 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:15 ready for work at 117143 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:16 ready for work at 117144 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:17 monitoring at 117145 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster vegan-arizona-massachusetts-texas 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:18 pushing tasks at 117146 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Q Cluster vegan-arizona-massachusetts-texas running. --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Question about the smtp log (rotation)
by David P Vanecek March 7, 2023

March 7, 2023

I have been asked to take over the management of the mailman3 servers as the prior admin left little documentation. One of the first things I need to do is optimize the logging. Currently the mailman.log is being rotated and zipped by user list and kept 5 day. (this is fine but would like to increase it some) But the smtp log has not been rotated since August (also created by user list) I cannot seem to find what process does this and how I can modify it. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, [University of Nevada, Reno logo]<https://www.unr.edu/> David Vanecek Senior Server Administrator Office of Information Technology Work-phone: (775) 682-5065<tel:(775)%20682-5065> dvanecek(a)unr.edu<mailto:dvanecek@unr.edu> https://www.unr.edu/oit ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/jpeg Name: image001.jpg Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Cron Error: <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs monthly
by Odhiambo Washington March 5, 2023

March 5, 2023

Is this a race condition? <CUT> ERROR OCCURED IN JOB: update_and_clean_index (APP: hyperkitty) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_extensions/management/commands/runjobs.py", line 40, in runjobs job().execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/jobs/update_and_clean_index.py", line 37, in execute run_with_lock(update_index, remove=True) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 181, in run_with_lock log.exception("Failed to update the fulltext index: %s", e) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 470, in __exit__ self.unlock() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 420, in unlock raise NotLockedError('Already unlocked') flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Already unlocked <CUT> -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Archiver Hyperkitty Not Found
by pat＠suwalski.net March 4, 2023

March 4, 2023

Hello, I upgraded from Debian 10 to 11 today, and hyperkitty archiver stopped working. From the mailman.log: AssertionError: Archiver not found: hyperkitty I followed along on a related thread: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I don't see any resolution to that thread. The only thing that worked for me was removing the hyperkitty rows from the listarchiver table in the database. But of course, now I don't have working archiving. >>> from mailman.config import config >>> list(config.archivers) [<mailman.archiving.mhonarc.MHonArc object at 0x7fd64ea47310>, <mailman.archiving.mailarchive.MailArchive object at 0x7fd64ea47490>, <mailman.archiving.prototype.Prototype object at 0x7fd64ea47790>] Any ideas? How would I make the archiver available? This django stuff is infuriatingly difficult compared to other frameworks.

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URLs in moderation messages
by Tim Cutts March 3, 2023

March 3, 2023

Hi, I’ve clearly got something wrong in my configuration, but I can’t work out what. All my URLs seem to have the “mailman3” part duplicated, i.e. Https://example.com/mailman3/mailman3/lists Is where I have to go to get a list of my mailing lists, which just doesn’t seem right. In my settings.py file I have: POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://example.com/mailman3/' If I change the value of this to just https://example.com/ it doesn’t change this, Where have I gone wrong? Tim

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ERROR: Can't load plugin sqlalchemy.dialects.postgres
by o.mankewitz＠gmail.com March 3, 2023

March 3, 2023

Hi! I am trying to install Mailman3 using this tutorial/documentation: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 So far, so good. But running (venv) mailman@listserver: mailman info throws an error: sqlalchemy.exc.NoSuchModuleError: Can't load plugin: sqlalchemy.dialects:postgres First, I thought SQLAlchemy is missing, but: (venv) mailman@listserver: pip install sqlalchemy Requirement already satisfied: sqlalchemy in ./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages (2.0.4) Requirement already satisfied: typing-extensions>=4.2.0 in ./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages (from sqlalchemy) (4.5.0) Requirement already satisfied: greenlet!=0.4.17 in ./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages (from sqlalchemy) (2.0.2) How can I fix this? Thank you very much for your help. Regards

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ERROR sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) could not translate host name xxxx to address
by o.mankewitz＠gmail.com March 3, 2023

March 3, 2023

Hi! The error above occurs when starting mailman. The xxxx shows a part from the database section of mailman.cfg. I followed the tutorial https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10. But since django and postgres changed some things, I had to fix some files of mailman3 to get it working. This is the part of mailman.cfg: [database] class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase url: postgresql://mailman:<mypassword>@localhost/mailman Full error: sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) could not translate host name "assword>@localhost" to address: Name or service not known How can I fix this? Thank you very much for your help. Regards,

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Postfix problem with imported Mailman2 list
by mailman3＠outofoptions.net March 3, 2023

March 3, 2023

I installed and tested Mailman3. I imported a Mailman2 list. All looks good but I get this error. Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table; from=<hit(a)options.org> to=<atm(a)alist.net> The aliases seem to show up find in the GUI for the control panel software I use. Postfix virual file has a mapping of atm to atm(a)alist.net . It seems mailman at least sees the connection. From the smtp.log under mailman: `Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) recip: atm(a)alist.net Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) Data: b'DATA' Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) Data: b'QUIT' Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) connection lost Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) Connection lost during _handle_client() Mar 02 10:53:13 2023 (1242405) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin)`

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GSOC 2023 mentors
by Stephen J. Turnbull Feb. 27, 2023

Feb. 27, 2023

Hi everybody We still have no mentors for GSOC 2023. Last chance to sign up (with the Python Software Foundation org) is Feb 25. - You don't need to be a Mailman core dev or a Python guru. - Generic mail geeks welcome. - Code spelunking (ie, "grepping for error messages") is very desirable. - Some Python, obviously. - Experience using and preferably administering Mailman. - Opinions about existing bugs and new features a must, of course! ;-) Requires a couple hours a week, somewhat irregularly, from secondary mentors (you), more like 5-10 from primary mentor (me, and you if the bus factor comes into play). Anybody interested, let me know. If you have questions about it, please respond on-list so others can see. Steve

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Messages not picking up header or footer template
by benjamin＠tougshire.com Feb. 27, 2023

Feb. 27, 2023

Hi I can't figure out how to get headers or footers on my messages Example: I create a footer in Postorius. The name in the form is '[list:member:regular:footer] - The footer for a regular (non-digest) message.' The data is 'Test Footer' I can see the entry in the database with the uri: http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/testing.comms.sdcvirginia… I can do a wget on that uri and download a copy of the footer, and it looks right But when I send a message to the list and the message is forwarded, the footer isn't on the messages that members receive Looking at mailman.log, I cannot see any attempt to access the footer. I can see connections to the REST API (config, roster/owner, roster/moderator) that correspond to the time I sent the message So what am I doing wrong? Thank you Ben

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Error downloading CSV for 1,300 members
by Jose Bernal Feb. 23, 2023

Feb. 23, 2023

Any suggestions on troubleshooting downloading a modest-size CSV file for a list with 1,300 members? Clicking "CSV Export" on smaller lists works fine, but on this larger list I get this error in mailman-web.log: Thu Feb 23 10:03:32 2023 - uwsgi_response_write_body_do(): Broken pipe [core/writer.c line 429] during GET /mailman3/postorius/lists/ members.list.ocdla.org/csv_view/ (172.31.54.89) OSError: write error --------------------- José Bernal Web/Application Engineer Cell 541-228-8481 jbernal.web.dev(a)gmail.com

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MM3 templates
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 16, 2023

Feb. 16, 2023

I followed this: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/901 I created a similar template which I placed in /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ I also restarted Mailman. However, when I test, the mail I get is not what I expected. The template used is different than the one referenced above. <CUT> From: < kictanet-confirm+e486c811933b179525ed673751e9b817c4b4b2e4(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 4:01 PM Subject: Your confirmation is needed to join the kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke mailing list. To: OdhiamboW <myaddress(a)outlook.com> Email Address Registration Confirmation Hello, this is the GNU Mailman server at lists.kictanet.or.ke. We have received a registration request for the email address myaddress(a)outlook.com Before you can start using GNU Mailman at this site, you must first confirm that this is your email address. You can do this by replying to this message. Or you should include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke: confirm e486c811933b179525ed673751e9b817c4b4b2e4 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers. If you do not wish to register this email address, simply disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, you may contact kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke </CUT> The part that has the URL from the referenced template is here. 1. Where is this template that the system used and can I edit it? 2. Why is it not using the template I created? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Multi-domain oddities in Hyperkitty and Postorius
by Jeremy Stanley Feb. 16, 2023

Feb. 16, 2023

In the OpenDev Collaboratory we've got a bunch of separate Mailman 2.1 vhosts we've started migrating into a single Mailman 3.3.7 server, desiring to take full advantage of its improved multi-domain support. For the most part everything is working great (kudos to everyone who maintains the software and documentation, it's excellent). One of the things our users noticed fairly quickly was Hyperkitty on the second vhost was incorrectly showing the FQDN of the first vhost near the top of its pages. This is covered in the FAQ of course, and seems to imply that what we want is to switch the SITE_ID from 1 to 0 in our settings.py in order to take advantage of magic domain-guessing behavior. So far so good. Unfortunately, SITE_ID = 0 seems to explicitly require the addition of "mail hosts" (or "mail domains" from Django's perspective), and all the web routing returns error pages for any list sites besides the first one since, by default, our server did not have these predefined. What's odd is that, if I log into Postorius as admin and visit the "manage domains" page, suddenly the database gets populated with mail hosts for all of the FQDNs associated with our imported mailing lists. I would not have expected merely visiting that page as an admin to have a side effect of adding entries for the "missing" mail hosts, is that an intentional behavior or merely a bug? Once these entries are automatically added by visiting that page, they're all associated with the one "web host" ("site" in Django) we have for the server, and now the list filtering functionality in Postorius breaks and any of the vhosts all display the full set of mailing lists on the server rather than only those associated with a particular vhost (note that this seems to only be confusing Postorius, Hyperkitty has them correctly filtered still). Okay, so it looks like this is because the mail hosts are all tied to the one web host. We can create additional "sites" in the Django admin UI and then switch the association of the mail hosts to those distinct web hosts. But after doing so, the first vhost still seems to show an unfiltered list of all lists in Postorius (Hyperkitty continues to be fine), while Postorius on the other vhosts correctly shows their filtered sets of lists instead. I also noticed when mailman-web is starting up, its log claims the first site is being set as the "default domain," so have to wonder if that's related to this behavior. Should we create an extra web host to serve as the "default" so that all our typical vhosts get the expected list filtering behavior, or am I completely off-base and there's a much better approach I've missed? Sorry this is so long, I feel like I have at most a tenuous grasp of the details and variables involved, but hopefully it makes sense to someone. Thanks in advance for any recommendations or guidance. -- Jeremy Stanley

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Multiple domain problem
by Lars Bjørndal Feb. 14, 2023

Feb. 14, 2023

Hi, list! I have lists on two domains, example1.com and example2.com. The mail interface works perfectly. However, connecting a browser to example1.com, I get the title List index - example1.com, and the web interface seems to work fine. If I connect to example2.com, the title is example2.com, without the preceding List index. And the body says Page not found. I can't find anything in the logs that tells me the reason. SITE_ID is set to 0. Any idea? Thanks in advance, Lars

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Templates location on the file system
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 14, 2023

Feb. 14, 2023

I am reading this: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/901#note_578684415 However, I cannot make heads or tails on what is meant by <LC>. Please help :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Mailman-web showing "An error occurred while processing your request."
by C. Souza Feb. 9, 2023

Feb. 9, 2023

I'm trying to manage 2 held messages in a specific list and I'm getting this error below when I click on /held_messages. It never happened before. My versions are: (venv) [mailman@listas ~]$ pip list -o | grep -E 'posto|hyper|mailma|djang' Package Version Latest Type ------------------- --------- ---------- ----- django-allauth 0.44.0 0.52.0 sdist django-appconf 1.0.4 1.0.5 wheel django-compressor 2.4 4.3.1 wheel django-extensions 3.1.0 3.2.1 wheel django-haystack 3.0 3.2.1 sdist django-mailman3 1.3.5 1.3.9 sdist django-picklefield 3.0.1 3.1 wheel django-q 1.3.4 1.3.9 wheel djangorestframework 3.12.2 3.14.0 wheel mailman 3.3.2 3.3.8 sdist mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 1.2.1 sdist mailman-web 0.0.3 0.0.5 wheel mailmanclient 3.3.2 3.3.5 sdist postorius 1.3.3 1.3.8 sdist ==> mailmanweb.log <== ERROR 2023-02-08 16:01:30,149 1516 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/mylist.domain.com/held_messages Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 21, in _wrapped_view return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 60, in wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 531, in list_moderation return render(request, 'postorius/lists/held_messages.html', context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 19, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 62, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 309, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 209, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 986, in render output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 697, in resolve new_obj = func(obj, *arg_vals) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/templatetags/date_helpers.py", line 30, in datetime_parse return parse_datetime(value) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/utils/dateparse.py", line 107, in parse_datetime match = datetime_re.match(value) TypeError: expected string or bytes-like object

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Installed but mailman reports missing hyperkitty module
by jbernal.web.dev＠gmail.com Feb. 9, 2023

Feb. 9, 2023

I've opted for the Mailman3 package installation on Ubuntu 22 LTS on top of a manually installed Mailman3 core package from the Ubuntu 20 Debian repository. Everything is working great on my installation. However, if I try to enable hyperkitty in /etc/mailman.cfg postorius reports 500 status codes on all pages. /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log reports this error: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman3_hyperkitty' Any idea why postorius can't seem to find the installed hyperkitty module? Stack trace: 2023-02-08 12:48:14 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/test.listdev.ocdla.org/archivers => Traceback (most recent call last): File "falcon/app.py", line 361, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 405, in on_get archiver_set = IListArchiverSet(self._mlist) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 156, in adapter_hook return sitemanager.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/registry.py", line 354, in queryAdapter return self.adapters.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 614, in __init__ for archiver in config.archivers: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 280, in archivers archiver = call_name(class_path) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 69, in call_name named_callable = find_name(dotted_name) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 52, in find_name module = import_module(module_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1050, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1027, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1004, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman3_hyperkitty'

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settings sanity check
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 8, 2023

Feb. 8, 2023

Does mailman-web do sanity checks in settings.py? Suppose I have the following: Q_CLUSTER = { 'name': 'mailman3-web', 'workers': 8, 'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', } Q_CLUSTER = { 'retry': 320, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', } Which setting will it go with? And why doesn't it complain about a setting being made 2x? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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can not search Chinese characters correctly
by gnuplone＠qq.com Feb. 7, 2023

Feb. 7, 2023

when the searched character are in a long Chinese phrase. e.g., search "北京" in "北京是中华人民共和国的首都，有悠久的历史，是世界上人口最多的超级城市之一。" will get 0 result.

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Verification links to localhost
by Lars Bjørndal Feb. 6, 2023

Feb. 6, 2023

The verification link I get back when trying to add an account, referes to localhost, e.g. To confirm this is correct, go to https://localhost:8000/accounts/confirm-email/Mw:1... Where do I change that? Thanks in advance, Lars

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Monthly Password Reminders
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 3, 2023

Feb. 3, 2023

Does MM3 send these monthly subscription reminders the way MM2 used to do? I am looking for the setting, but can't find that in the list settings. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Confirm subscription via URL?
by Johannes Rohr Feb. 3, 2023

Feb. 3, 2023

Dear all, in Mailman2, the email that is sent out to the subscriber for them to confirm their subscription contained a clickable URL. In mailman 3, the default templace for this action doesn't have this option. Is the functionality still there but has to be added to the template? If so, what is the scheme? Thanks! Johannes

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changeaddress command and nonmembers
by Mike Wertheim Feb. 2, 2023

Feb. 2, 2023

I recently upgraded a Mailman 2 installation (which included a number of email lists) to Mailman 3.3.3. There is one human user who in the past has used two different email addresses. Let's call them oldaddress(a)hotmail.com and newaddress(a)gmail.com. This person used to participate on an email list using oldaddress(a)hotmail.com (both posting and receiving). He then unsubscribed oldaddress(a)hotmail.com from the list and then subscribed to the email list as newaddress(a)gmail.com. All of this happened while using Mailman 2. Now that we're on Mailman 3 and the email list was migrated from MM2 to MM3, we see that newaddress(a)gmail.com is a Member of the list, and we see that oldaddress(a)hotmail.com is a NonMember of the list. That all makes sense. But now, this person has decided that they actually want to go back to using the old address. So I ran the command "mailman changeaddress newaddress(a)gmail.com oldaddress(a)hotmail.com". But that gave me this output: Usage: mailman changeaddress [OPTIONS] OLD_ADDRESS NEW_ADDRESS Try 'mailman changeaddress -h' for help. Error: Address oldaddress(a)hotmail.com already exists; can't change. Can anyone explain how I can do what I'm trying to accomplish? (Also, why is this error displaying the usage message? That seems odd, since the number and type of arguments was correct.)

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Improve logging?
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

Some entries in the log files can be very scary, while in actual sense they are harmless. Such inconsequential, but scary entiess can mess up the well-being of a SysAdmin. I humbly request for the logs related to posts by non-members to a MM3 list to be improved a little bit :-) Here is the example in mailman.log: <cut> Jan 31 10:03:54 2023 (92481) DISCARD: < 2a1c588a6ccd47abbf57ee5fc61c9946(a)phellineconsultancy.co.ke>; ['The message is not from a list member'] [31/Jan/2023:10:04:48 +0300] "GET /3.1/users/1bad08f703fe4bc0a829f4bdce10fc8f HTTP/1.1" 200 253 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [31/Jan/2023:10:04:48 +0300] "GET /3.1/users/1bad08f703fe4bc0a829f4bdce10fc8f/addresses HTTP/1.1" 200 473 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Jan 31 10:18:09 2023 (92343) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 476, in _step_send_confirmation raise StopIteration StopIteration </cut> Is there a possibility to change the logging engine to just *fold* the last 7 lines into "The message is not from a list member. It was discarded", or something close? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search
by Johannes Rohr Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

Hello everyone! below is a "permission denied" error I get when trying to perform a fulltext search. -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search Datum: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 10:30:14 -0000 Von: johannes(a)rohr.org An: johannes(a)rohr.org Internal Server Error: /archives/search PermissionError at /archives/search [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'fulltext_index' Request Method: GET Request URL: http://lists.*****.org/archives/search?mlist=pinnwand%40lists.*****&q=medit… Django Version: 4.1.5 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.10.6 Python Path: ['.', '', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python310.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.10', '/usr/lib/python3.10/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages'] Server time: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:30:14 +0100 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/search.py", line 88, in search emails = paginate( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 71, in paginate objects = paginator.page(page_num) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 75, in page number = self.validate_number(number) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 53, in validate_number if number > self.num_pages: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 57, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 102, in num_pages if self.count == 0 and not self.allow_empty_first_page: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 57, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 96, in count return c() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/query.py", line 527, in count return len(self) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/query.py", line 82, in __len__ self._result_count = self.query.get_count() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 658, in get_count self.run() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 593, in run results = self.backend.search(final_query, **search_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 32, in wrapper return func(obj, query_string, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 412, in search self.setup() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 133, in setup os.makedirs(self.path) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/os.py", line 225, in makedirs mkdir(name, mode) Exception Type: PermissionError at /archives/search Exception Value: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'fulltext_index' Raised during: hyperkitty.views.search.search I don't understand what the cause for the "permission denied" could be. The directory "fulltext_index" is owned by mailman:mailman Does anyone have a hint? I did some googling for the error, but to no avail, unfortunately. Thanks! Johannes

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No option 'postmap_command' in section: 'postfix'
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

The documentation <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…> says that I need to create /path/to/postfix-mailman.cfg containing: [postfix] transport_file_type: regex Then append the path to the [mta] section of mailman.cfg, viz: [mta]incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTPoutgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliverlmtp_host: mail.example.comlmtp_port: 8024smtp_host: mail.example.comsmtp_port: 25configuration: /path/to/postfix-mailman.cfg That is exactly what I have done on my test platform, but I get the error below when creating a list. Perhaps I overlooked something? (venv) lists% mailman create mylist(a)lists.wash.lan Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/configparser.py", line 789, in get value = d[option] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/collections/__init__.py", line 941, in __getitem__ return self.__missing__(key) # support subclasses that define __missing__ File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/collections/__init__.py", line 933, in __missing__ raise KeyError(key) KeyError: 'postmap_command' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1657, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_lists.py", line 188, in create mlist = create_list(fqdn_listname, owners) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/lifecycle.py", line 102, in create_list call_name(config.mta.incoming).create(mlist) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 70, in call_name return named_callable(*args, **kws) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 87, in __init__ self.postmap_command = mta_config.get('postfix', 'postmap_command') File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/configparser.py", line 792, in get raise NoOptionError(option, section) configparser.NoOptionError: No option 'postmap_command' in section: 'postfix' -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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MM3 to MM3 migration
by David Newman Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

I’m looking to migrate several mailing lists from one server running MM3/Django/Hyperkitty to another. Same operating system and python environment and venvs for both. Although the canonical hostnames for the two servers will differ, I can use the same hostnames for lists once I’ve got everything set up. Is this really as simple as building the new server, creating the same lists on the new server, and rsync’ing the archives from the old server? If not, how to do the migration? I checked the archives and saw many threads on MM2 -> MM3, but did not see anything on MM3 migration. Thanks in advance. dn

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Must every Moderator/Admin be member of a list to be able to use Postorius?
by mm3-omf＠sh.werbittewas.de Jan. 31, 2023

Jan. 31, 2023

we're using debian/devuan with distribution-mailman3 and tried to add admin/mod for a list, but if logging in as this user, there's no item to manage the list at all. do we have to add this user as member of this list? (that wouldn't be nice, because the user doesn't want to get normal Mails from List, but only admin-Mails) regards omf

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Language switch
by Massimiliano Paragnani Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Hi, I can't set other languages in MM3 web. I did it https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… I tried to add language cose in settings_local.py and in mailman.cfg but nothing happens How can I do?

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New Installation of MM3 is not archiving
by Onyeibo Oku Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Greetings, I finally completed installation of Mailman 3 following the instructions here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… I got a lot of support from this mailing-list too and I am mighty grateful for that. My new MM3 instance does not seem to be archiving. List subscribers are currently sending and receiving mails on their subscribed lists. However, none of the correspondence is showing up at https://mailing-list-site.tld/archives/. That page shows a listing of the active mailing-lists with '0 participants' and '0 discussions'. Whereas, those lists contain mails. How do I troubleshoot this?

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About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification
by Onyeibo Oku Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Good Morning Everyone, I installed and managed mailman 2 for about two years. I am now ready to try Mailman 3. The documentation for version 2 was lucid and this forum was quite helpful in the past. Now I'd like to proceed with installating MM3 but I doubt my understanding of the docs. It seems to assume that users will know what to do. Okay, don't laugh! I just want to be sure what I am doing. Does the following sequence resemble the proper steps? 1. Download the source from a git repo (I understood that one) 2. Create a virtual environment (venv perhaps ... not stated explicitly) 3. activate the virtual environment 4. from the git project root, run: ./mailman start I know, its stupid. I had to ask. It would really build my confidence someone would confirm the above steps or counter then with something very explicit. What about process ownership? Do I need to have a unix mailman user? What else do I need to get mailman up and running before proceeding to configuration. Ahaa! I perused the config docs a bit. Where can I find the .cfg file? I hope these questions are not too annoying. Regards Onyeibo

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long time user of mailman 2, new to docker-mailman and docker
by pjbondi＠systemdatabase.com Jan. 29, 2023

Jan. 29, 2023

Hello to all: I'm getting this stack trace with the following redacted settings. # ALLOWED_HOSTS * # DEBUG True # HYPERKITTY_API_KEY llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll # MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL xxxxxxx(a)yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.com # MAILMAN_HOSTNAME mailman-web # MM_HOSTNAME yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.ca # MTA postfix # SECRET_KEY kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk # SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.ca # SMTP_HOST smtp-relay.sendinblue.com # SMTP_HOST_PASSWORD pppppppppppppppp # SMTP_HOST_USER xxxxxxx(a)yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.com # SMTP_PORT 587 # SMTP_USE_TLS True # [very long startup snipped] Applying postorius.0001_initial... OK Applying postorius.0002_auto_20160210_0721... OK Applying postorius.0003_drop_addressconfirmationprofile... OK Applying postorius.0004_create_email_template... OK Applying postorius.0005_auto_20180707_1107... OK Applying postorius.0006_auto_20180711_1359... OK Applying postorius.0007_auto_20180712_0536... OK Applying postorius.0008_auto_20190310_0717... OK Applying postorius.0009_auto_20190508_1604... OK Applying postorius.0010_auto_20190821_0621... OK Applying postorius.0011_auto_20191109_1219... OK Applying postorius.0012_auto_20200420_2136... OK Applying postorius.0013_auto_20201116_0058... OK Applying sessions.0001_initial... OK Applying sites.0002_alter_domain_unique... OK Setting systemdatabase.ca as the default domain ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 383, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) sqlite3.OperationalError: no such table: django_site The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 381, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 375, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 323, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 364, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/commands/shell.py", line 86, in handle exec(options['command']) File "<string>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 741, in update rows = query.get_compiler(self.db).execute_sql(CURSOR) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1471, in execute_sql cursor = super().execute_sql(result_type) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1142, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 67, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers(sql, params, many=False, executor=self._execute) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 76, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 89, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 383, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) django.db.utils.OperationalError: no such table: django_site

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Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search
by Dave Hall Jan. 29, 2023

Jan. 29, 2023

Hello, Please pardon a slightly off-topic comment, but I would like to highlight a part of Odhiambo's post. Heavily nested inline replies also reflect the issue I wish to comment on, so I'm not going to. Granted, I am a slow learner, and perhaps already so mixed up after reading > the myriad HOWTOs for > installing MM3 that are available online. I am tempted to say there are > many like me who are likely to > miss "where to obtain" other settings from. and > Is it possible to modify the documentation to somehow make it obvious (in a > language that a layman can easily understand, I have seen this with several open source projects lately. There's no big picture, just 'hundreds' of cross-linked little bits of disjointed information that almost seem like documentation for individual modules. I once joined a large commercial project for a major US computer company (sorry, I won't share details). They were quite proud of their extensive documentation. The docs for their equivalent of the kernel syscall interface, when printed (two-sided) and stacked, would easily approach 2 meters tall. Yet, every bit of it was incomprehensible unless and until you called the developer and had them explain it to you. The problem that we all have, us humans, is that when we are very familiar with something, like the code we've been working on, it is very hard to describe its purpose to somebody who knows nothing about it. ("It's obvious to me, so it should be obvious to you."). So, a challenge for us all: When writing and reviewing your documentation, imagine that you're explaining your whole project face-to-face to your grandmother, or to anybody who never learned to program. From experience I promise that it's easy once you get the hang of it. Thank you and sorry for the speech. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 2:54 AM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 9:34 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > On 1/27/23 05:53, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 11:48 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> Note that when following > > >> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html you > create > > >> /etc/mailman3/settings.py and it contains > > >> ``` > > >> from mailman_web.settings.base import * > > >> from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > > >> ``` > > >> to establish a base set of settings that can be augmented or > overridden > > >> in /etc/mailman3/settings.py. mailman_web.settings.mailman in turn > > contains > > >> ``` > > >> HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { > > >> 'default': { > > >> 'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', > > >> 'PATH': "fulltext_index", > > >> ``` > > >> which is a relative path for fulltext_index and may need to be set to > an > > >> absolute path. > > >> > > > > > > Mi Mark, > > > > > > I have read this page - > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html and > further > > - > > > > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-config > > > - without clicking any external links. > > > I still don't see the HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS in the settings.py included > > on > > > that page. > > > I am missing something obvious, no? > > > > > > Please reread what I wrote above. HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS is not in the > > suggested settings.py but it is in mailman_web.settings.mailman and is > > imported by the suggested settings.py. > > > I have reread what you wrote now and I'm beginning to get the hang of this > method. > My observation is that it can only be _obvious_ to someone very familiar > with Python config > to decipher that *additional* settings *that can be augmented or > overridden > in /etc/mailman3/settings.py* can be obtained from: > /PATH-TO/mailman_web/settings/{base|mailman}.py after they have noticed > these two lines in > the sample settings given in /etc/mailman3/settings.py: > > from mailman_web.settings.base import *from > mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > > [At first instance, it is not obvious that mailman_web.settings.base and > mailman_web.settings.mailman are > actually paths in Python - which magically translates to > mailman_web/settings/base.py and mailman_web/settings/mailman.py] > Granted, I am a slow learner, and perhaps already so mixed up after reading > the myriad HOWTOs for > installing MM3 that are available online. I am tempted to say there are > many like me who are likely to > miss "where to obtain" other settings from. > For example, my mind all along has been tuned to having a settings_local.py > for overriding the settings.py. > However, with this particular documentation, it would appear that > everything is intended to just go into /etc/mailman3/settings.py. > > Is it possible to modify the documentation to somehow make it obvious (in a > language that a layman can easily understand, > that those two "import *" _DO establish a base set of settings that can be > augmented or overridden in /etc/mailman3/settings.py_ > and that those settings are in what file(s) ? > > I am not saying @Johannes Rohr <johannes(a)rohr.org> is a layman like me, > but > I think that is what hit him. > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to kdhall(a)binghamton.edu >

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EMWD/Affinity/Empathy in 2023
by jaboyib556＠v3dev.com Jan. 29, 2023

Jan. 29, 2023

Hi all, We're exploring Mailman 3 and the custom interfaces provided by EMWD's Affinity and Empathy look very interesting: https://www.mailmanhost.com/affinity-mailman/ However, I saw reports of EMWD being a one-man show and the owner sadly passing away in 2021; but I've also seen threads here referring to the Affinity and Empathy projects in 2022. It wasn't clear to me if EMWD is still an active business and Affinity and Empathy are still active offerings. Does anyone here have any direct contact/relationship/experience with EMWD/Affinity/Empathy following the owner's passing? Or knowledge of any other offerings publicly available today that are similar to Affinity/Empathy? Thanks!

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Can't see held messages
by Massimiliano Paragnani Jan. 27, 2023

Jan. 27, 2023

Hi everybody, I've a new installation in my own vps. Everything works if I set "Deliver immediately" but if I turn on the "hold for moderation" I can't see the mails in web interface and I can't confirm the delivery or discard. What information do you need to help me?

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MM attaches mime-attachments to mail as text file since update to 3.3.8
by Stefan Bauer Jan. 25, 2023

Jan. 25, 2023

Dear Users & Developers, we're running MM3 on Ubuntu 22 and used the venv-installation method. Last week we updated via¹ to Mailman Core-Version GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API-Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python-Version 3.10.6 (main, Nov 14 2022, 16:10:14) [GCC 11.3.0] and now mailman attaches mime-attachments to email as text-files. That breaks many mails in our environment. For example: Now we have attachments like smime.p7s + ATT000001.txt as well as what looks like MM footers "mailing list --- test@domain ... To unsubscripbe send an email to ..." How can we get the "old" processing back? Thank you alot. Stefan

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Localisation of web interface gone after OS upgrade
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 20, 2023

Jan. 20, 2023

Dear all, I just upgraded our server from Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04. Mailman is installed in virtualenv, so it shouldn't be affected by the upgrade. Am I right about that? However, the strange thing is that most, albeit not all of the localisation is gone, the web interface is now mostly in English. Still, I reinstalled venv, mailman and hyperkitty, but no change. I also re-ran the four commands * mailman-web migrate * mailman-web collectstatic * mailman-web compress * mailman-web compilemessages just to be sure, but that didn't change things either. Is there something in Ubuntu 22.04 that kills the localisation? Thanks! Johannes

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Updated script for checking and fixing mbox files.
by Mark Sapiro Jan. 20, 2023

Jan. 20, 2023

Mailman 2.1 has a cleanarch script for checking mbox files for unescaped `From `lines in message bodies and optionally fixing them. For some time, there has been a stand-alone python3 version of this script at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/cleanarch3 (mirrored at https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/cleanarch3) I have just updated this script to check and optionally fix bad Date: headers. I have also added it at https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/contrib/clea… for the next release. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Using it with the "smtp2go" email relay service that has special deliverability rules
by golden_rock＠hotmail.com Jan. 19, 2023

Jan. 19, 2023

Hi, Smtp2Go relay service enforces a few rules for deliverability: The From: address domain has to be verified in smtp2go The sender envelope address also has to be verified in smtp2go So emails sent by mailman don't get relayed because mailman sets From: to be the original sender of the message, and it means anyone that wants to send to the list would have to approve themselves with smtp2go first, which is not workable. To make it work, I would have to have something like: Sender: bounce-address(a)lists.mailman3.org - untouched From: original.sender@gmail.com@lists.mailman3.org - change #1 having the From address to be From the list Reply-To: original.sender(a)gmail.com - change #2 - if someone replies Then smtp2go will send the email. I looked in the settings and I didn't find a readily available option to do that. I'm new to customizing mailman3 , but have been using it in production for a little more than 1 year. I've seen other software do the solution proposed above, namely DIvi contact forms set the "From" to be something @website.com and the Reply-To: as the form submitter. I am told that the standards is moving away from forging the DATA From: that doesn't have a predictable domain, and instead put the variable email address in Reply-To, for things like contact forms or automated sending. Can someone guide me on where I could start looking?

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Permission Error with /var
by Tibor Molnar Jan. 19, 2023

Jan. 19, 2023

Hi guys, During the build of mailman3 I run in to few permission errors but there is one I have got stuck with, and you may be able to help me with this. I'm following this guide https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10. var_dir: /opt/mailman/mm/var configs: /opt/mailman/mm OS: Debian 10 I'm using virtual env When try start mailman core PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' total 48 drwxrwxrwx 12 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:28 . drwxr-xr-x 7 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 17:19 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 archives drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 cache drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 data drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:28 etc drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 lists drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 15:54 locks drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 14:19 logs drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 messages drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 11:10 queue drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 17 16:07 templates all owned by mailman. what are hey suppose to be owned by if not mailman? Regards, Tibor

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hello， Discussion on how to subscribe to the mailing list
by 朱超 Jan. 18, 2023

Jan. 18, 2023

Hi, When I subscribe the email list in Subscription Policy is confirm, Some problems happen in here： 1.Some mail mua reject send the confirm the message, because the length of recipient is too long. for exmaple: requirements-confirm+9605556e0b35a5da280c1de0d34a3e6f770f8ea5@domain, and the mail mua reject to modify about this. 2.It is inconvenient for users to use. Many people will mistakenly think that after clicking the subscribe button, it will be successful, and they will not process the email. Regarding the discussion on the subscription method of the mailing list, should we consider optimizing the subscription method of the mailing list, for example: 1. use the method of sending a verification code to subscribe by email，When you receive the verification code sent by the mailing list and fill it in again, you can subscribe successfully。 2. use the email to send a connection to confirm the subscription，People click the link to be redirected to a confirmation page to subscribe to the email。

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mailman-web causing constant 100% cpu load of mysqld
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 16, 2023

Jan. 16, 2023

Dear all, with mailmanweb running, the CPU load of mysqld constantly hovers around 100% In /var/log/mysql/errors.log I see repeatedly: 2023-01-13 17:22:42 27198 [Warning] Aborted connection 27198 to db: 'mailman_core' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) 2023-01-13 17:27:43 29621 [Warning] Aborted connection 29621 to db: 'mailman_core' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) This also seems to affect other services such as dovecot which rely on mysql and at times can't connect to it. Does anyone have a suggestion what to do about this? Cheers, Johannes

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Error Logging - what changed with the New Year releases?
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 15, 2023

Jan. 15, 2023

Apart from all the defaults in settings.py (derived from gitlab), I also have this line: LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailmanweb.log' Before the New Year releases of MM3, I used to get errors written to this file. Not anymore after I updated to the New Year releases. Another thing that I have realized is that prior to the New Year releases, I would get an error logged to that file and also mailed to me. I don't think that I have changed anything in settings,py related to logging. I have been trying to get signup with Twitter working. This used to generate an error that was both logged and emailed, but that isn't happening anymore. I have enabled other social auth providers (in settings.py) which I haven't configured in the admin panel. I expect that tying to use these on Postorius would generate an error that is logged and mailed to admin, but that too is not happening. Just checking out what might have changed - or if I am going nuts :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Moderation request reminders
by Allan Hansen Jan. 14, 2023

Jan. 14, 2023

Hi all, I and my moderators are getting daily moderation request reminders. Is there a way to set them to be weekly instead? I looked around in the UI for it but did not see it. It started with my latest server upgrade. As list owner I get 50+ of these messages every morning and my modertors each get only one, but don't like it. I still don't see a link for my moderators to see the membership lists even though the lists are set to allow it. Is that among the planned bug fixes? Yours, Allan

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Cross-List and Domain based sender whitelisting ( accept_these_nonmembers )
by Patrick Brückner Jan. 13, 2023

Jan. 13, 2023

Hi everyone, one of our servers that was running a mailman2 instance just crashed this afternoon, so we decided to take the leap and migrate to 3, and I have to say it worked pretty well, the lists seem to be back. What I can't seem to find is the option to whitelist senders based on a domain AND on membership on a different list. The lists are operated for a smallish university and all the professors need to be allowed to send to the students list, without being member of that list. That was possible with mailman2 by just whitelisting the university domain. Also, in the past we allowed all members of the all-students list to post to any of the dorm-lists (this is mainly used for party announcements so it is not a must have), but I wanted to ask anyways, if there was a chance to allow this feature again. According to the docs, the accept_these_nonmembers option exists (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) but none of my lists have that set after the migration - the field is not even there when accessing the REST API. Do I need to enable something? Has that feature been added just recently, and we are missing out (since we are using the apt packages from ubuntu)? Thanks in advance, Patrick

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About the sender of the mailing list receiving an auto-reply email
by 朱超 Jan. 13, 2023

Jan. 13, 2023

Hi, When I use the mailing list to send emails, I receive an automatic reply email, Is there a better way to block similar automatic reply emails? From: Tom

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Error from - /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 12, 2023

Jan. 12, 2023

I have received the following error message from the hourly cron run: <quote> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin: line 7: 7475 Killed django-admin $@ </quote> I have looked at my log files, but could not find any clue. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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mailman.log file owned by 'list' user
by Mike Wertheim Jan. 12, 2023

Jan. 12, 2023

I'm on Debian 11, trying to troubleshoot an installation of Mailman 3.3.3 that was done by someone else. Mailman is running as a non-privileged (non-root) user called 'xyz'. On the day that Mailman was installed, that non-privileged 'xyz' user was able to execute mailman commands successfully to create, view and modify lists. A couple of days later, when the 'xyz' user tried running those same mailman commands, they failed with this error: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman3/mailman.log' Doing "ls -l" on the file /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log showed this: -rw-r----- 1 list list 0 Jan 6 00:00 /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log When I did a 'ps' command, I saw that all of the mailman processes are running as user 'xyz'. No processes were running as the user 'list'. It seems that some process is rotating the mailman.log file at midnight, and the newly-created mailman.log is being owned by user 'list'. Can anyone explain why this is happening, and how to fix it?

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Re: Docker or virtualenv?
by J.Schulz Jan. 10, 2023

Jan. 10, 2023

For Docker: just use the README on https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman ; this should be enough for a basic setup. Eventually, you'll need to add some things to core/mailman-extra.cfg : ___ [mailman] site_owner: help(a)elternserver.de SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 # [devmode] # enabled: yes # recipient: you(a)somewhere.com # # extra local settings for mailmen [mta] # NullMTA is just implementing the interface and thus satisfying Mailman # without doing anything fancy # outgoing: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA smtp_user: your_auth@your_MTA smtp_pass: supersecretpassword smtp_verify_hostname: yesorno smtp_secure_mode: starttls # or whatever # [logging.debug] [logging.smtp] level: warn ___ also, web/settings_local.py needs tweaking in some cases; the DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS come from my docker-compose.yml ---- import os # see https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues/548 django_allowed_hosts = os.environ.get('DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS') if django_allowed_hosts: ALLOWED_HOSTS = django_allowed_hosts.split(':') MAILMAN_WEB_SOCIAL_AUTH = [] SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = { } DEBUG = False # see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/957 DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD='django.db.models.AutoField' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'xapian_backend.XapianEngine', 'PATH': "/opt/mailman-web-data/fulltext_index", }, } ----- Am 10.01.23 um 09:11 schrieb Odhiambo Washington: > Hi Jörg, > > Kindly share the link to the HOWTO, which you use to setup everything. > I just need to test. Perhaps I can use docker on Windows, no? > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 8:58 PM Jörg Schulz <info(a)joergschulz.de> wrote: > > I have a successful installation using docker, just updated to the > most > recent version - it runs along quite some other docker containers, so > there is a benefit when I want to switch machines. > > Am 07.01.23 um 12:02 schrieb Odhiambo Washington: > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:54 PM Johannes Rohr <johannes(a)rohr.org> > wrote: > > > >> I wanted to say "I have now chosen virtualenv". Sorry for the > confusion. > >> > > I have never tried docker, but soon I will. Just for the kicks. > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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