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mailman3 suddenly stopped working after routine package upgrade with "apt update" and "apt upgrade".
by gordon＠dickens.com July 5, 2022

July 5, 2022

My mailman3 installation is installed in Debian using the Mailman Suite's Virtualenv (venv) instructions (not the Debian mailman3 packages) and has been working great for several months until I recently executed a routine package upgrade with "apt update" and "apt upgrade" after which the mailman3 service quit working with the following error dialog in response to "systemctl start mailman3" # systemctl start mailman3 Job for mailman3.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status mailman3.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. root@slc:/opt/mailman/venv/bin# systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/mailman3/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2022-07-05 10:31:55 EDT; 4s ago Process: 3011826 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=2) CPU: 822ms Jul 05 10:31:54 slc.mailhub4u.com systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com mailman[3011826]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com mailman[3011826]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com mailman[3011826]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. Then, the command, "systemctl status mailman3" results in: # systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/mailman3/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2022-07-05 10:31:55 EDT; 19min ago Process: 3011826 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=2) CPU: 822ms Jul 05 10:31:54 slc.mailhub4u.com systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com mailman[3011826]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com mailman[3011826]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com mailman[3011826]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Jul 05 10:31:55 slc.mailhub4u.com systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. The only reason that I believe that the apt package upgrade caused the problem is because everything stopped working immediately after the package upgrade commands, "apt update" and "apt upgrade" were executed. Looking at the apt logs, the following packages were apparently upgraded: Start-Date: 2022-07-01 13:18:17 Commandline: apt upgrade Requested-By: gordon (1000) Install: linux-image-5.10.0-15-amd64:amd64 (5.10.120-1, automatic) Upgrade: tzdata:amd64 (2021a-1+deb11u3, 2021a-1+deb11u4), linux-image-amd64:amd64 (5.10.113-1, 5.10.120-1), libssl-dev:amd64 (1.1.1n-0+deb11u2, 1.1.1n-0+deb11u3), libssl-doc:amd64 (1.1.1n-0+deb11u2, 1.1.1n-0+deb11u3), libssl1.1:amd64 (1.1.1n-0+deb11u2, 1.1.1n-0+deb11u3), openssl:amd64 (1.1.1n-0+deb11u2, 1.1.1n-0+deb11u3), linux-libc-dev:amd64 (5.10.113-1, 5.10.120-1) End-Date: 2022-07-01 13:19:04 Start-Date: 2022-07-01 13:21:18 Commandline: apt autoremove Requested-By: gordon (1000) Remove: linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64:amd64 (5.10.106-1) End-Date: 2022-07-01 13:21:22 Otherwise, other than this package upgrade command, nothing changed on my system between the time that mailman3 was working properly and when it stopped working. Does anyone see any potential problems with any of the packages that were upgraded? The logfile, /var/log/syslog, has the following lines immediately after the "systemctl start mailman3" command was executed: Jul 5 11:07:41 slc mailman[3030034]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Jul 5 11:07:41 slc mailman[3030034]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Jul 5 11:07:41 slc mailman[3030034]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Jul 5 11:07:41 slc mariadbd[859]: 2022-07-05 11:07:41 1744540 [Warning] Aborted connection 1744540 to db: 'mailman3' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) Jul 5 11:07:41 slc systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT Jul 5 11:07:41 slc systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. As an FYI, I have attempted to start the service using --force, however, it made no difference. BTW, I don't know if this is significant or not but the following error message (or similar message) is displayed often in the logs: slc mariadbd[859]: 2022-07-05 11:07:41 1744540 [Warning] Aborted connection 1744540 to db: 'mailman3' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) In any event, does anyone see any other potential causes for why the mailman3 service will not run? Thanks very much! Gordon

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Monthly mailman-web job using a lot of memory
by Andy Smith July 4, 2022

July 4, 2022

Hi, Is it normal for the monthly job: @monthly www-data [ -f /usr/bin/django-admin ] && flock -n /var/run/mailman3-web/cron.monthly /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py runjobs monthly to use nearly 3½GiB of memory? PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 770203 www-data 20 0 4516756 3.4g 1.6g R 99.7 43.5 12:08.00 python3 /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py runjo+ I assume it's updating the full text indexes or something. There are around 250k messages in our archives. In the job list I see: appname - jobname - when - help -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hyperkitty - update_and_clean_index - monthly - Update the full-text index and clean old entries so I'm guessing it's that, but there is also: hyperkitty - update_index - hourly - Update the full-text index which hasn't been noitceably a problem so I wonder why the "and clean old entries" bit is so much more heavyweight, what exactly it dopes and if there's any way to make it lighter on resources? Thanks, Andy

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mailman3 + postfix + dovecot + postfixadmin
by Geoff Nordli July 3, 2022

July 3, 2022

Hi. Did anyone figure out the issue or have a working configuration with this: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… I am getting the same error, with the same configuration. Issue: Postfix LMTP does not pass messages onto MM3:LMTP. Instead the behavior summary is as follows: Jul 3 11:56:30 mail1 postfix/lmtp[824956]: 5168B20017A: to=<lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024@domain.com>, orig_to=<testing(a)domain.com>, relay=mail1.domain.com[private/dovecot-lmtp], delay=0.08, delays=0.03/0.01/0.02/0.01, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (host mail1.domain.com[private/dovecot-lmtp] said: 550 5.1.1 <"lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024"@domain.com> User doesn't exist: lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024@domain.com (in reply to RCPT TO command)) thanks, Geoff

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Emails about moderation are sent to list owners, want them sent to moderators instead
by Elias Rudberg July 2, 2022

July 2, 2022

Hello, This is about GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer). For each list there are both "owners" and "moderators". As I understand it, the idea is that owners have the power to change configuration for the list, while moderators have more limited power, they can only moderate but not change configuration. When an email is sent from a non-member to a list that requires moderation in such a case, an email with subject like "[listname] post from [sender] requires approval" is sent to the list owners. I would like those emails to be sent to moderators instead. The reason why I want it to work that way is that list owners sometimes want to delegate the work of moderating to the moderators. List owners then want to keep the power to change list configuration, but they do not want to be bothered by individual moderation emails. Is there a way to configure mailman3 to make it send moderation emails to moderators instead of owners? Or, have I misunderstood the purpose of "owners" and "moderators"? If so, I would be grateful if someone could explain. / Elias

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uwsgi memory usage
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au June 29, 2022

June 29, 2022

Hi Folks, I think there's a memory leak somewhere in the system. Over time, on a relatively small set of lists, I see the uwsgi process grow and grow until the system OOMs. I'm using the Debian packaged mailman3 suite, on the Unstable distribution. This is version 3.3.3. I've reported the bug to the Debian maintainers (who are overloaded...), but was wondering if others had seen this issue. Is it a Debian issue, a local config issue, or a general problem? Peter C

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Hyperkitty failure "Forbidden" - Please check IP-Address assigned to MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM in the settings file
by christopher.claus＠tgcamberg1848.de June 29, 2022

June 29, 2022

Hi together, i noticed an error during upgrade, which i did not noticed before, but i see no relation to the upgrade itself. Nevertheless the message is very clear, i am not able to solve this issue. My problem ist, that hyperkitty is not working. In mailman.log, you can see this message: Jun 29 13:38:25 2022 (28) ACCEPT: <006501d88bac$b21201f0$163605d0$@mydomain> Jun 29 13:38:28 2022 (32) HyperKitty failure on https://mydomain/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: <html><title>Forbidden</title><body> <h1>Access is forbidden</h1><p>Please check the IP addresses assigned to MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM in the settings file. </p></body></html> (403) I´m using setting_local.py in web-part with following code: # Try to get the address of Mailman Core automatically. MAILMAN_HOST_IP = gethostbyname('mailman-core') MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = (os.environ.get('MAILMAN_HOST_IP', gethostbyname(os.environ.get('MAILMAN_HOSTNAME', 'mailman-core'))),) Debugging inside my docker-container, this python-code works fine (hostname etc. are correct): bash-5.0# python3 test.py MAILMAN_HOST_IP 172.18.0.4 MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM ('172.18.0.4',) bash-5.0# I also tried to set MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM directly to the IP not using the list, but there was no change. I think, the problem is located at another place and the error-message took me to the wrong place. Does anybody has an idea where to look at? Best regards, chrclaus

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Run 'manage.py makemigrations' to make new migrations
by christopher.claus＠tgcamberg1848.de June 29, 2022

June 29, 2022

Hello together, at startup of my docker-container with mailman 0.4.3 i got some warnings to apply some data-model-migrations. I´m very unfamilar with python and django and be not sure how to handle it. Are these warnings from mailman and should i migrate the data-model (and how)? Or should i ignore these message for keeping mailman in a safe state? Best regards, chrclaus System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: django_mailman3.MailDomain: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. django_mailman3.Profile: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Attachment: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Email: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Favorite: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.LastView: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.MailingList: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Profile: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Tag: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Tagging: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Thread: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.ThreadCategory: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Vote: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. postorius.EmailTemplate: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the PostoriusConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: No migrations to apply. Your models in app(s): 'postorius' have changes that are not yet reflected in a migration, and so won't be applied. Run 'manage.py makemigrations' to make new migrations, and then re-run 'manage.py migrate' to apply them.

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docker setup
by epi＠epinux.com June 28, 2022

June 28, 2022

Hi, attempting to install mailman3 on a remote ubuntu server - my docker-compose file looks like: https://gist.github.com/epifanio/e668b0b7f3709de8063661d947223e2a /opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg ``` [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.1.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: 127.0.1.1 smtp_port: 25 configuration: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg ``` opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py ``` EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = '127.0.1.1' EMAIL_PORT = 25 USE_SSL = False DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = "mailman(a)lists.libkml.org" SERVER_EMAIL = "mailman(a)lists.libkml.org" DEBUG = True ALLOWED_HOSTS='libkml.org' ``` I know I am still missing the NGNIX/APACHE settings, but trying to access the service at: libkml.org:8000 I get a django error Invalid HTTP_HOST header: 'libkml.org:8000'. You may need to add 'libkml.org' to ALLOWED_HOSTS. but I have the 'libkml.org' to ALLOWED_HOSTS in both `opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py` and in the dockerfile: https://gist.github.com/epifanio/e668b0b7f3709de8063661d947223e2a#file-mail… https://gist.github.com/epifanio/e668b0b7f3709de8063661d947223e2a#file-mail… Can you help me please to understand what I am doing wrong? Thanks!

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What's the difference between (purpose of) reject and ignore
by denis.bitouze＠univ-littoral.fr June 27, 2022

June 27, 2022

Hi, at a page of the form .../postorius/lists/mylist/held_messages, it is possible to: - Accept - Reject - Ignore messages to be moderated. I didn't find any documentation about the difference between (the purpose of) “Reject” and “Ignore”. Since the list I'm currently moderating suffers from a lot of spammers, I wonder if there is a way to at the same time: - remove the spam from the moderation list (“Reject”? “Ignore”?), - add the emails from the removed spams to the list of banished emails (since copying-pasting each mail to be banished is a pain). Thanks in advance!

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Excluding archives from a mailman3web database backup
by Andy Smith June 24, 2022

June 24, 2022

Hi, In doing regular database dumps for backup purposes I note that by far the largest quantity of data is HyperKitty's archives. We already keep external archives using the prototype archiver (and some rotation of Maildirs), because we see value in having a simple archive outside of HyperKitty. So, I'd rather not be backing up this data twice. In event of disaster I'd like to be able to do a maildir2mbox on what prototype has written and re-import the resulting mbox file. Is that a realistic proposal? i.e. does a typical maildir2mbox conversion script generate something that "manage.py hyperkitty_import" would be happy with when run on prototype's maildir? If so, is it safe to just exclude every table starting with "hyperkitty_" from the database backup of mailman3web? Dumping only the schema for these, I mean, so that an import would restore empty tables. Thanks, Andy

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How can I clear "Subscription request already pending" status ?
by Axel Rau June 24, 2022

June 24, 2022

Hi all, I’m getting HTTP Error 409: Subscription request already pending I (as listmaster) would like to subscribe the new member manually, but this fails with above message. Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

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Docker images with Hyper kitty 1.1.0
by bob B June 23, 2022

June 23, 2022

Maxking, it looks like the docker images with tags "latest" and more importantly "0.4.2" which I believe is supposed to be the latest version, have mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 installed, which does not work with the installed Hyperkitty version, so archiving is broken? is this correct? Any eta on when this will be corrected? it looks like "rolling" has mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1 but the notes say to consider rolling as beta software. Thanks

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I'm new to mailman
by LIULIANG June 23, 2022

June 23, 2022

Hello everyone, My name is Liang Liu. Currently, I am a GSoC student and I am developing a list configuration tool for mailman. You can learn more about what I am doing by following the link below. https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202022#List_Configura… If you have good suggestions feel free to send me an email. As time goes on, I maybe asking some questions of what the user needs. And I will be consulting with developers on how to get work done. Hope we have a good summer. Yours sincerely, Liang Liu

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Mails sent by mailman-web runjobs hourly
by Eggert Ehmke June 17, 2022

June 17, 2022

I get lots of mails originating from the mailman-web runjobs hourly. They are sent to mailman@<mytld>. The content looks like 07:00:03 [Q] INFO Enqueued 12571 07:00:03 [Q] INFO Enqueued 12572 07:00:03 [Q] INFO Enqueued 12573 How can I disable these emails?

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Removing the option to delete a list on the Postorious interface
by Wong, Wesley June 14, 2022

June 14, 2022

Hi, I have a question on the Postorious web interface in Mailman 3. I have found that a list owner can delete a list through the Postorious interface if they have the role of owner to the list. I wanted to have it either disabled or removed but I am not sure where to look to make changes to it. I would rather remove it from the interface totally so it would be done from the command line. Any help would be greatly appreciated. wesley Wesley Wong Senior Systems Engineer Anderson Computing & Information Services | ACIS 310-206-2571 [ucla-logo---new_smaller] ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: image001.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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How to configure mailman3-web
by robert.winkler＠bioprocess.org June 14, 2022

June 14, 2022

Hi, I just installed mailman3-web on my Ubuntu 20.04 LTS web server. Port 8001 is open, the service is running: root@localhost:/etc/mailman3# systemctl status mailman3-web.service ● mailman3-web.service - Mailman3-web uWSGI service Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mailman3-web.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Tue 2022-06-14 17:05:06 UTC; 47s ago Docs: file:///usr/share/doc/mailman3-web/README.rst Main PID: 30135 (uwsgi) Status: "uWSGI is ready" Tasks: 10 (limit: 2306) Memory: 147.7M CGroup: /system.slice/mailman3-web.service ├─30135 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini ├─30152 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini ├─30153 /bin/sh -c python3 manage.py qcluster ├─30155 python3 manage.py qcluster ├─30158 python3 manage.py qcluster ├─30159 python3 manage.py qcluster ├─30160 python3 manage.py qcluster ├─30161 python3 manage.py qcluster └─30162 python3 manage.py qcluster Jun 14 17:05:05 localhost systemd[1]: Starting Mailman3-web uWSGI service... Jun 14 17:05:05 localhost uwsgi[30135]: [uWSGI] getting INI configuration from /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini Jun 14 17:05:06 localhost systemd[1]: Started Mailman3-web uWSGI service. in /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py I changed localhost for my domain:port: MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://meteomex.com:8001' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://meteomex.com:8001/mailman3/ and restarted the service. on the server side, it looks fine, the mailman3 DB in postgresql exists. However, I cannot access the web interface, trying, e.g. http://meteomex.com:8001/mailman3/ 'http://meteomex.com/mailman3 'http://meteomex.com:8001 anything I am missing? E.g. concerning the Apache config? Thanks, Robert

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Mailman3 Setup
by George R. Kasica June 11, 2022

June 11, 2022

Hello: I'm in the process of setting up Mailman3 on Ubuntu 20.04. I have the following Environment, and please ask if I left something needed out: Postfix Apache2 MySQL Mailman3 (all 3 bits mailman3, mailman3-web, python-mailman-hyperkitty) The install SEEMS to have worked, but I'm looking for a guide for setup now. I used to run 2.1 about 18 months ago, but the server failed, and I never reinstalled it. I figured now, with a newish Ubuntu 20.04LTS Server, I'd go the mailman3 route...I've seen MANY posts of issues getting MM3 working with 20.04. Should I go back to 2.1, or what is the best way to get mailman-3 configured? Thank you, George Kasica

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Turned on archiving and it is not working
by bob B June 9, 2022

June 9, 2022

I normally have archives not enabled on all my lists and I do not even have hyperkitty enabled for them. but I need to turn on archiving for one list and it is not working. I made sure hyper kitty is enabled for the list, and I have private archives enabled. I even restarted my environment (more on that in a moment) and still the list works but nothing gets archived. my mail log shows Jun 09 18:49:10 2022 (28) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1><p>The archiver key is now File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 154, in _archive_message <h1>Authorization Required</h1><p>The archiver key is now <h1>Authorization Required</h1><p>The archiver key is now I am running in docker: my HYPERKITTY_API_KEY is the same in my docker yaml file for mailman-core & mailman-web (I am using an external database) mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.5 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.8.10 (default, May 6 2021, 06:30:44) [GCC 9.3.0] Hyperkitty web interface is working and I can log in so it is up HyperKitty version 1.3.5. This used to work when I initially installed, so not sure why it is broken now. Any thoughts on what to do next?

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Validity of membership opt-in
by Julian Kippels June 8, 2022

June 8, 2022

Hi, If someone joins a mailinglist there is a process where they have to opt in by replying to a welcome mail. I would like to know for how long this opt-in is valid? Or does it never expire? Thanks, Julian Kippels

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Include receipant address as a variable
by chucka＠blackforest-co.com June 7, 2022

June 7, 2022

I send out a monthly newsletter via MM. To keep traffic smaller the email has a link to the PDF of the newsletter. I need to somehow include a variable (the To: email) as part of the link. ie href = thewebsite/nl.pdf?tomjones(a)email.com That way I can tell A) who is reading the NL and B) popup a notice: Your membership dues have been paid through 2023. Google hasn't been any help - although I'll keep searching. Thanks for any help

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Remove old bounces in bouncedir
by Stephan Krinetzki June 7, 2022

June 7, 2022

Hello all, our Mailman3 has over 7GB of bounces in its bouncedir. I noticed that some messages there are already over 3 years old. Now my question: Is there a way to remove the old bounces?

2 6

WebFrontend language not working
by c.buhtz＠posteo.jp June 6, 2022

June 6, 2022

Hello, I am using mailman3 as list owner on python.org. The web-frontend shows me everything in "German" which is my native language (in OS, Browser, GeoIP). But I want it in English. in my "Global Mailman-Settings" the "Preferred Language ( "Bevorzugte Sprache" ) is set to "English (USA)". But it seems to me that this doesn't affect the WebFront end. How can set the WebFront end to English? Kind Christian

3 5

Migrating from mailman-suite to mailman-web
by Andrew Hodgson June 4, 2022

June 4, 2022

Hi. Any pointers in migrating from Mailman-suite to Mailman-web? I'm interested specifically in configuration changes required to Gunicorn in order to bring up the Django project using Mailman-web. Thanks. Andrew.

2 1

Lost in default style creation
by kenneth.karlsson＠eco.cept.org June 2, 2022

June 2, 2022

Hi all I have installed a brandnew server - ubuntu 21.10, mailman3 version 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) I want to set some default settings to all new lists, as we are creating them through API from another system, i do this (snipped straight from the shell) : >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyleManager >>> manager = getUtility(IStyleManager) >>> from zope.interface import implementer >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyle >>> @implementer(IStyle) ... class EcoStyle: ... name = 'ECOstyle' ... description = 'ECO mailing list style.' ... def apply(self, ml): ... ml.dmarc_mitigate_action = 'munge_from' ... ml.dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally = 'True' ... ml.send_welcome_message = 'True' ... ml.subject_prefix = '' ... ml.subscription_policy = 'moderate' ... ml.max_message_size = '0' ... >>> manager.register(EcoStyle()) >>> commit() No error all seem good, i then do this to confirm the style is there: >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyleManager >>> manager = getUtility(IStyleManager) >>> >>> for style in manager.styles: ... print(style.name) ... ECOstyle legacy-announce legacy-default private-default It shows me its there, then i proceed to quit() and go back in to the shell, and do this: >>> quit() ecoadmin@list01:/etc/mailman3$ sudo mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyleManager >>> manager = getUtility(IStyleManager) >>> >>> for style in manager.styles: ... print(style.name) ... legacy-announce legacy-default private-default >>> and now my newly created style is gone again ? What am i missing here ? Kind regards Kenneth Karlsson

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Re: use_https not being honored?
by Kiernan, Sean P. (MSFC-IS90)[EAST2] June 1, 2022

June 1, 2022

Thanks for the quick reply Steve, much appreciated. I'll take a look on the gunicorn side.

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use_https not being honored?
by sean.p.kiernan＠nasa.gov June 1, 2022

June 1, 2022

Using Mailman core 3.3.5, and Mailman API 3.1, I have use_https: yes set in my mailman.cfg so that I can use https for calls to the API, however even in mailman.log, it still says it is using http: [2022-06-01 09:35:54 -0500] [959009] [INFO] Starting gunicorn 20.1.0 [2022-06-01 09:35:54 -0500] [959009] [INFO] Listening at: http://hostname:8001 (959009) GET and POST requests work fine if I use http, but fail when trying to use https. I have a certificate being used by our Mailman installation, so is there some additional config not mentioned in the docs to enable use of the API over https? I've only recently started using Mailman so if there are additional logs or system information I need to help with this?

2 1

Moderation request email from a non existing user
by David Lopez June 1, 2022

June 1, 2022

Every day mailman (MM 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer)) sends me an email with a held unsubcription request from X user. This user is not subcribed to that list anymore but every day an email is sending to the list owner. On the web interface there's nothing pending for approval or similar. Is there anyway to avoid receiving this anoyning email every day? Thanks in advance. David

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hi, how to deal with arc with using mailman+exim4?
by 朱超 May 26, 2022

May 26, 2022

hi, how to deal with arc with using mailman+exim4? Thanks for your suggestion.

2 1

Trouble in Debian11 after import mailman2 archive
by qro＠xs4all.nl May 25, 2022

May 25, 2022

Hi I am struggling with Mainman3 to get it running on Debian11 On a clean VPS I have up and running Apache, mysql and postfix Also the installation mailman3 went fine for the mailman3-full package Then I setup mailman3-web via dpkg-reconfigure mailman3-web, modify in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY. In mailman.config add the [archiver.hyperkitty] things At this point I made a clone for the VPS. On clone 1 I import a mailman2 list: mailman create test(a)xxx.nl mailman import21 test@xxx /peter/mailman/lists/test/config.pck /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py hyperkitty_import -l test(a)xxx.nl /peter/mailman/archives/private/test.mbox/test.mbox /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py update_index So far so good. I can access the list and its config via the web page,see 1 subscriber (me :-) and can walk though the archive. But when I send an email to the list, its not resend or archived A snip from log files: /var/log/mail.log May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/smtpd[1614]: connect from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.170] May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/smtpd[1614]: 8ECFF80BF9: client=ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.170] May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/cleanup[1616]: 8ECFF80BF9: message-id=<d89bf2f7-1519-9e0a-eb41-9211ff6f6a24(a)xs4all.nl> May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/qmgr[1510]: 8ECFF80BF9: from=<peter(a)xxxl.nl>, size=23317, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/smtpd[1614]: disconnect from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.170] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/lmtp[1630]: 8ECFF80BF9: to=<test(a)xxx.net>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.23, delays=0.15/0.01/0/0.07, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/qmgr[1510]: 8ECFF80BF9: removed /var/log/mailman3/smtp.log May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 46148) May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) handling connection May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) Data: b'LHLO server.xxx.net' May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<peter(a)xxx.nl>' May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) sender: peter(a)xxx.nl May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) Data: b'RCPT TO:<test(a)xxx.net>' May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) recip: test(a)xxx.net May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) Data: b'DATA' May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) Data: b'QUIT' May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) connection lost May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) Connection lost during _handle_client() Second attempt. There are no changes in Postfix or Mailman3! On clone 2 I did create a new list via the webpage/mailman3 This list is working fine. Does resend the message and add it tot the archive. The difference in the log between an imported list an new created is below the ----------- line /var/log/mail.log May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: connect from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.168] May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: 81A0FA0091: client=ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.168] May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/cleanup[1434]: 81A0FA0091: message-id=<7c7b1770-db6d-9fc8-5e84-d09315d31124(a)xs4all.nl> May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/qmgr[1355]: 81A0FA0091: from=<peter(a)xxx.nl>, size=6029, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: disconnect from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.168] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/lmtp[1435]: 81A0FA0091: to=<test(a)xxx.net>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.18, delays=0.06/0.01/0/0.11, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/qmgr[1355]: 81A0FA0091: removed ------------- May 25 08:22:52 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] May 25 08:22:52 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: ACE58A0091: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] May 25 08:22:52 server postfix/cleanup[1434]: ACE58A0091: message-id=<7c7b1770-db6d-9fc8-5e84-d09315d31124(a)xs4all.nl> May 25 08:22:52 server postfix/qmgr[1355]: ACE58A0091: from=<test-bounces(a)xxx.net>, size=7804, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 25 08:22:52 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 May 25 08:22:53 server postfix/smtp[1437]: ACE58A0091: to=<peter(a)xxx.nl>, relay=mx.kpnmail.nl[195.121.65.158]:25, delay=0.33, delays=0/0.01/0.2/0.12, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as de93fca3-dc03-11ec-bee3-005056998415) May 25 08:22:53 server postfix/qmgr[1355]: ACE58A0091: removed /var/log/mailman3/smtp.log May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 54298) May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) handling connection May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) Data: b'LHLO server.xxx.net' May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<peter(a)xxx.nl>' May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) sender: peter(a)xxx.nl May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) Data: b'RCPT TO:<test(a)xxx.net>' May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) recip: test(a)xxx.net May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) Data: b'DATA' May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) Data: b'QUIT' May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) connection lost May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) Connection lost during _handle_client() ------------------- May 25 08:22:52 2022 (1363) <7c7b1770-db6d-9fc8-5e84-d09315d31124(a)xs4all.nl> smtp to test(a)xxx.net for 1 recips, completed in 0.0590972900390625 seconds May 25 08:22:52 2022 (1363) <7c7b1770-db6d-9fc8-5e84-d09315d31124(a)xs4all.nl> post to test(a)xxx.net from peter(a)xxx.nl, 6199 bytes Question: Where do I have to look/make changes so I can import the old archive and can send email to it? Greetings Peter

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How to authorise members visibility?
by Pierre Malard May 25, 2022

May 25, 2022

Hello, My setup: - Debian 11 - Mailman3-full v 3.3.3-1 My Question: How to configure the visibility of a list of subscribers to a list? I created a list and set "subscriber visibility" to subscribers only. When I log in as such and try to view the list information, I can't see anywhere how to display that list. It's the same regardless of the setting used for this "subscriber visibility" field (only moderators, only subscribers or anyone). Is this normal? Is there something I misunderstood? Thank you in advance for your lights -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France « Il faut créer en même temps les élites et les débouchés, le syndica- lisme et les usines. Faire l'un sans l'autre, c'est travailler pour le malheur du peuple. » Romain Gary - "Les racines du ciel" |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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How to stop minutely mails about readme_renderer
by Axel Rau May 22, 2022

May 22, 2022

Hi all, after fixing an exim issue (now getting cron messages), I’m spammed by these e-mails: - - - /usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/readme_renderer/markdown.py:44: UserWarning: Markdown renderers are not available. Install 'readme_renderer[md]' to enable Markdown rendering. warnings.warn(_EXTRA_WARNING) - - - I installed cmarkgfm 0.8.0 in my venv, but this did not help. Besides patching the source, what is the recommended solution for this? Thanks, Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

3 2

Importing users and mas settings "Moderation Action"
by bob B May 20, 2022

May 20, 2022

I imported email lists and users to version 3 from version 2. One of my lists all the users are set to 'Hold for moderation" for "Moderation Action". I assume this is because they were set to moderation on mailman 2? But if I mass subscribe users via the Gui in mailman 3 then their default "Moderation Action" is set to "none" so I assume it follows list default, is that a correct assumption? I believe there is no way to import mass users and set their "Moderation Action" at the same time is this correct? Wasn't that possible in mailman 2? is there a way to change all their user's "Moderation Action" for a list in bulk? So it looks like for any users I mass subscribe, "Moderation Action" will be set to "none" and if I want to change that I have to do it manually for each user?

2 2

Manage Member(s) Mailman Settings / Display Names
by Jim Ward May 18, 2022

May 18, 2022

Mailman2 allowed me to list my members and modify a number of their attributes (display_name, etc) Postorius is a beautiful interface BUT I am evidently not finding how to manage my members to the extent that I could in Mailman2 Am I missing something?

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best pratice - set default MM settings and make them update-save
by Stefan Bauer May 17, 2022

May 17, 2022

Dear mailman-experts, we're running Mailman Core Version 3.3.5 Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.4 on Ubuntu 22 with a python venv. Until now, I modified several files manually to adjust mailmans behavior and have to check several boxes when new lists are created. Is this still the only way to go or are there ways i can make all this more update "save" and kind of default settings? a, I removed content of /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/templates/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt b, I set ... in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/styles/base.py mlist.default_member_action = Action.discard mlist.default_nonmember_action = Action.discard mlist.subscription_policy = SubscriptionPolicy.moderate mlist.send_welcome_message = False mlist.archive_policy = ArchivePolicy.never c, I always have to check the follwing manually in mailman web-interface on new lists: Settings-->List Idendity -> remove Subject Prefix Settings-->Message Acceptance -> accept immediately DMARC-Mitigation -> replace from ... unconditionally YES Thank you. Stefan

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Upgrade-path from Ubuntu18LTS to recent mailman release
by Stefan Bauer May 15, 2022

May 15, 2022

Dear Users, we are very happy mailman3-users but suffer from very old packages in Ubuntu 18LTS. Unfortunately due to some python-restrictions¹, mailman3 is broken in Ubuntu20LTS and gone² in Ubuntu 22LTS, so we do not have any working upgrade-path :/ What do you recommend? Any help is greatly appreciated. thanks in advance. Stefan ¹ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman3/+bug/1877701 ² https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mailman3-full

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Can login at /admin, but cannot login at the account/login page.
by pabsta＠gmail.com May 11, 2022

May 11, 2022

Hi All, thanks for your contibution to opensource softwares. I have done the installation walkthrough on the wiki page (thanks to Brian Carpenter) and I am almost there. I can run the three services and they provide the relevant web interfaces (admin, postorius, hyperkitty). In comparison to the walkthrough, I did two changes; First, I used different port numbers , as it would otherwise conflict with other services on the server. Second, I disabled the social accounts authentification mechanisms. I am still running on sqllite, as I am still testing things (one task at a time). Using my "superuser" credentials, I can log to the admin section in a fraction of a second. The server response time is less than one second. Once logged in, I can navigate through all the site as an authenticated user, including in the postorius pages related to list management. The services work normally. However, if logout and attempt to login from the postorius website, I get a « 502 bad gateway » error after roughly 30 seconds. The logs in Systemctl for gunicorn register a "DIGEST-MD5 common mech free" error message and the nginx error logs just show a connection drop: 2021/08/12 18:11:09 [error] 26026#26026: *31 upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream, client: [ip redacted], server: [domain redacted], request: "POST /accounts/login/ HTTP/2.0", upstream: "http://127.0.0.1:8006/accounts/login/", host: "[domain redacted]", referrer: "https://[domain redacted]/accounts/login/?next=/mailman3/lists/" Two additional clues may help understanding what is going on: 1- If I attempt to login with improper credentials, the services respond normally, and I get the expected red box with "invalid credentials" message on the postorius page. It is only when proper credentials are given that the connection fails. 2- If I attempt to register a new email adress, the services also fail to respond (although with no DIGEST-MD5 message registered). It thus seems to be a post "POST" problem, but what puzzles me is that it is not an issue for the admin page. Below the relevant sections of my settings.py page. The skipped ([...]) sections are as in the walkthrough files. In particular, the AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS, the EMAIL_BACKEND are as is and the "USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST" is still commented. ##Settings.py [...] # SECURITY WARNING: keep the secret key used in production secret! SECRET_KEY = '[redacted]' # SECURITY WARNING: don't run with debug turned on in production! DEBUG = False ADMINS = ( ('ME', 'my@email'), ) SITE_ID = 1 # Hosts/domain names that are valid for this site; required if DEBUG is False # See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#allowed-hosts ALLOWED_HOSTS = [ "localhost", # Archiving API from Mailman, keep it. "[domain]", # Add here all production URLs you may have. ] # Mailman API credentials MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8005' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '[redacted]' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '[redacted]' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '[redacted]' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('127.0.0.1', '::1') # Application definition INSTALLED_APPS = ( 'hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', # Uncomment the next line to enable the admin: 'django.contrib.admin', # Uncomment the next line to enable admin documentation: # 'django.contrib.admindocs', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', #'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.github', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.gitlab', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.google', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.facebook', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.twitter', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.stackexchange', ) [...] # Database # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#databases DATABASES = { 'default': { # Use 'sqlite3', 'postgresql_psycopg2', 'mysql', 'sqlite3' or 'oracle'. 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.sqlite3', # DB name or path to database file if using sqlite3. 'NAME': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'mailmansuite.db'), # The following settings are not used with sqlite3: 'USER': 'XXX', 'PASSWORD': 'XXX', # HOST: empty for localhost through domain sockets or '127.0.0.1' for # localhost through TCP. 'HOST': '', # PORT: set to empty string for default. 'PORT': '', # OPTIONS: for mysql engine only, do not use with other engines. # 'OPTIONS': {'charset': 'utf8mb4'} # Enable utf8 4-byte encodings. } } [...] # Password validation # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.9/ref/settings/#auth-password-validators AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = [ { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.UserAttributeSimilarityValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.MinimumLengthValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.CommonPasswordValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.NumericPasswordValidator', }, ] # Internationalization # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/topics/i18n/ LANGUAGE_CODE = 'fr' TIME_ZONE = 'America/New_York' [...] # If you enable internal authentication, this is the address that the emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#default-from-email # DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = "mailing-lists(a)you-domain.org" DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'username@domain' # If you enable email reporting for error messages, this is where those emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#std:setting-SERVER_EMAIL # SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)your-domain.org' SERVER_EMAIL = 'username@domain' # Change this when you have a real email backend EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.console.EmailBackend' [...] # # Social auth # AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = ( 'django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend', ) # Django Allauth ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = "username_email" ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = "mandatory" # You probably want https in production, but this is a dev setup file ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = "https" ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True # # Asynchronous tasks # Q_CLUSTER = { 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'retry':360, 'orm': 'default', } [...] # Only display mailing-lists from the same virtual host as the webserver FILTER_VHOST = True POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8006' ## (End of settings.py) I'm happy to provide additional information if it can help. Best, Pier-André

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How can I remove anything added by Mailman 3 to the forwarded email
by gscaglia＠ksdata.it May 9, 2022

May 9, 2022

I need to use Mailman 3 exclusively for forwarding emails to my customers divided by type. The emails must arrive exactly as they are, without any additions, and the lists are managed only by me: the customer ignores that he is subscribed to a list and receives the message as if it were one to one. How can I remove anything added by Mailman 3 to the forwarded message, therefore also the links for managing my membership (unsubscribe and modify)? Thanks a lot, Luca

2 1

mailman3 not sending emails and archives not populating
by nyafum＠yahoo.com May 7, 2022

May 7, 2022

Hi Mark Can you please help me resolve mailman3 issues? It was working well until recently and now no emails delivery to mailbox The first issue, not receiving email from my list, it gets removed in postfix /var/log/mailman3/smtp.log May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) handling connection May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) Data: b'LHLO rush.ai.net' May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<kim(a)kim.net>' May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) sender: kim(a)kim.net May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) Data: b'RCPT TO:<shiftchange@ kim.net >' May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) recip: shiftchange@ kim.net May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) Data: b'DATA' May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) Data: b'QUIT' May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) connection lost May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) Connection lost during _handle_client() /var/log/mail.log May 6 22:30:57 rush postfix/qmgr[1554]: C0401140119: from=< kim(a)kim.net >, size=459278, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 6 22:30:57 rush postfix/smtpd[3872]: disconnect from ex13-3.ai.net[205.134.169.66] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 bdat=1 quit=1 commands=7 May 6 22:30:58 rush postfix/lmtp[3897]: C0401140119: to=< shiftchange(a)kim.net >, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=1.3, delays=0.8/0.01/0.01/0.5, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) May 6 22:30:58 rush postfix/qmgr[1554]: C0401140119: removed I think the issue is with python3, below is my mailman.log /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log May 06 23:16:02 2022 (21149) in runner started. May 06 23:17:18 2022 (21149) Uncaught runner exception: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock' May 06 23:17:18 2022 (21149) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/incoming.py", line 79, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, start_chain) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/chains.py", line 79, in process link.function(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/chains/hold.py", line 147, in _process request_id = hold_message(mlist, msg, msgdata, SEMISPACE.join(reasons)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/moderator.py", line 88, in hold_message request_id = requestsdb.hold_request( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/requests.py", line 100, in hold_request token = getUtility(IPendings).add(pendable, timedelta(days=5000)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/pending.py", line 91, in add token = token_factory.new() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py", line 79, in new return self._next_unpredictable_id() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py", line 155, in _next_unpredictable_id x = random.random() + right_now % 1.0 + time.clock() % 1.0 AttributeError: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock' May 06 23:17:18 2022 (21149) SHUNTING: 1651893438.227104+1458f689c5f8220ef4db9f18bf3999e312675cd9 The other issue that I need help with is my archives to populate in Postorius(hyperkitty). Thanks in advance Kim

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Pb with archive display
by Pierre Malard May 5, 2022

May 5, 2022

Hello, We have a fully installed mailman3 on our Debian 11 (mailman3-full 3.3.3-1). We imported our old mailman 2.1.29-1 lists with no real problems :-) On the other hand Mailman3 does not seem to take into account the display of the archives. The contributions are indeed in the directory "/var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool" but HyperKitty does not take them into account when displayed on the Web interface. Is this normal? -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France « La façon de donner vaut mieux que ce que l'on donne » Pierre Corneille (1606-1684) - Le menteur |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Spam in Hyperkitty archive
by Eggert Ehmke May 4, 2022

May 4, 2022

I have my mail server set up with spamassassin/amavis that seems to work reasonable. One particular mailing list is open for non-members, so spam is to be expected. However, even spam to this mailing list that is filtered and moved to the quarantine folder, shows up in the archive! How can I set up the spam filter so that does not happen?

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add custom styles to postorius list creation menu
by Michael Hazan May 3, 2022

May 3, 2022

Hello, When creating a list via postorius, i can see 3 style appear (announce, discussion, private). Is it possible to either create a new style and add it to that list or modify one of those style ? I’m using the virtual env setup and i have been trying to manipulate via the mailman-web shell but it doesn’t work when adding a new style. I need to delegate list creation to admins and I don’t want them to have to redo every list settings for every list they create when they are the same style. Also, coming from mailman2, you could directly set the members post moderation action when subscribing, now you can only do it via the user menu, is there a way to automate this in mm3 ? Thanks for the help. Michael

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Templates do not work
by Eggert Ehmke May 3, 2022

May 3, 2022

I created some templates in Postorius to get personalized notifications when there are moderator requests. The notifications I get seem to be the standard texts. When I look into mailman/ mm/var/templates the directory is empty. Nevertheless, the templates I create in Postorius seem to be stored (where?), they just do not work.

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how to mass change users options ?
by Yvan ♞ April 30, 2022

April 30, 2022

Hello, I transfered a mailing list from mailman to mailman 3, how can I change all users options in mass ? delivery status and receive own posting are blank by default (250 members is too long one by one..) Thanks. Yvan

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Question to add "alias" address in list by group
by Pierre Malard April 28, 2022

April 28, 2022

Everithing is in the subject. We must add some (a lot) alias address for members and I don’t find any indications on doc to do that with « mailman » command. Is their a way? -- Pierre Malard « Il faut créer en même temps les élites et les débouchés, le syndica- lisme et les usines. Faire l'un sans l'autre, c'est travailler pour le malheur du peuple. » Romain Gary - "Les racines du ciel" |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Localization of auto-responses, question marks in welcome message
by Claus-Justus Heine April 25, 2022

April 25, 2022

Hi, I know there are already some posts on this subject. From reading the following seems to be the state of the affair: * the list's language settings determines which localized template to use * the list-_servers_ default setting determines which language to use for the subject (so the subject's language is a "global" server configuration setting). Still, in my Ubuntu Impish Mailman 3.3.3 installation the welcome message is sent with charset us-ascii and contains question marks for any "special" -- i.e. non-ascii -- character. Can this be changed s.t. the welcome message is correctly displayed? Kind thanks Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

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Problems with shunted Mails
by Stephan Krinetzki April 25, 2022

April 25, 2022

Hi all, we currently have a problem sending to an email list. The mailing list is an announcement list and is therefore moderated. The mail also arrives for moderation. However, when the mail is released, it is not delivered, but moved to the shunt queue. The error after an unshunt attempt in the log: Apr 19 12:31:43 2022 (17967) Uncaught runner exception: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'email' Apr 19 12:31:43 2022 (17967) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 176, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 269, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 50, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/member_recipients.py", line 84, in process for member in mlist.regular_members.members File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/member_recipients.py", line 85, in <genexpr> if member.delivery_status == DeliveryStatus.enabled) AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'email' Apr 19 12:31:43 2022 (17967) SHUNTING: 1650364303.8361175+08bb48ae877019e8a4c9dff8024c1270782fceb3 Any hints how we can solve the problem here?

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set a new default for max_message_size
by Paul Paulchen April 24, 2022

April 24, 2022

Hi MM Community, I guess Mark can answer this question in a split second. We want another default than 40kb for the max_message_size. I know you can change it with the mailman shell or with postorius. But we want to skip this part an set the default to 4000kb for instance. I read about the max_message_size in this thread from 2020 https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… According to the answer of Mark you can change the "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/base.py" - mlist.max_message_size. Now time went by, is there a possibility to use the mailman.cfg to set a new default? Cheers and thanks in advance!

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How to delete large numbers of held messages
by lists＠g1fef.co.uk April 22, 2022

April 22, 2022

We had a mail loop on one of our lists and ended up with over 51k messages in pending (held due to post not form a list member) Trying to delete them from the web UI will take forever, as the largest pagination you can view is 200 at a time. Tried to delete them from the Python interactive shell, but it looks like the API times out after a while. Is there another way to delete all these unwanted held posts? The problem comes after executing: <block> reqs = list(adminlist.held) </block> After a couple of minutes it comes back with: <block> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 699, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 445, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 440, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 276, in _read_status raise RemoteDisconnected("Remote end closed connection without" http.client.RemoteDisconnected: Remote end closed connection without response During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 439, in send resp = conn.urlopen( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 755, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 532, in increment raise six.reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/six.py", line 718, in reraise raise value.with_traceback(tb) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 699, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 445, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 440, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 276, in _read_status raise RemoteDisconnected("Remote end closed connection without" urllib3.exceptions.ProtocolError: ('Connection aborted.', RemoteDisconnected('Remote end closed connection without response')) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 107, in call response = request( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/api.py", line 61, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 542, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 655, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 498, in send raise ConnectionError(err, request=request) requests.exceptions.ConnectionError: ('Connection aborted.', RemoteDisconnected('Remote end closed connection without response')) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/mailinglist.py", line 123, in held response, content = self._connection.call( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 135, in call raise MailmanConnectionError( mailmanclient.restbase.connection.MailmanConnectionError: ('Could not connect to Mailman API: ', "ConnectionError(ProtocolError('Connection aborted.', RemoteDisconnected('Remote end closed connection without response')))") </block>

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Apple Mail encoding again
by David Newman April 22, 2022

April 22, 2022

Starting a new thread because I don't know how to reply to this one from November 2021: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… A subscriber's post to a list bounced with a 501 bad encoding error. The subscriber uses Apple Mail on MacOS and PGP-signed his message. The earlier post above suggests the problem could be a bug in either Apple Mail encoding or python's smtp module. To rule out the smtp module, I sent a PGP-signed message using a different MUA (Thunderbird, in my case). Mailman3 accepted this post without complaint, and I reported back to list users that this appears to be an Apple Mail encoding issue. Normally, that'd be the end of it. But this is a list for a bunch of Internet graybeards, including one of the authors of the SMTP protocols and the subscriber is a former IETF chair. He's grumbling that if this really were an Apple Mail issue, wouldn't it be far more widespread? I don't think it would be, because (a) Mailman2 is still far more pervasive than Mailman3 and (b) the combination of PGP signing and Apple Mail on MacOS and Mailman3 is still pretty unusual. Has anyone else hit this encoding issue, other than the post above? And did Mailman2 silently accept this because it was less strict about checking for bad encoding? Thanks. dn

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About mailing list configuration problem
by liutianhua68＠163.com April 20, 2022

April 20, 2022

Hello: I installed mailman3 through docker, and I created a mailing list for testing, which can subscribe, unsubscribe, receive emails, and send emails normally. Now there are two problems that have not been resolved. I would like to ask: 1. When a user subscribes, how to configure it like "lists.mailman3.org" to send a link to confirm the subscription instead of just replying to the confirmation email. 2. I used the mailling list I created to test the sending and receiving of emails, but I didn't see any historical messages in "Archives",Where is the configuration incorrect? And the url of my mailing list is "https://list.example.org/hyperkitty/list/" instead of "https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/", is this a problem? Also ask about the configuration, where to find the relevant documentation. thank you very much. liutianhua68(a)163.com

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Prometheus mailman_exporter
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook April 19, 2022

April 19, 2022

Folks, I have recently been playing with Prometheus metrics, and having now coded a mailman3 Prometheus exporter in python I thought I'd mention here that it exists. It's not fancy and there is more to do. It works using the rest api. Source available at https://github.com/rivimey/mailman3_exporter Metrics exposed: 'mailman_up' (does the API /system/versions return http 200) and 'mailman_queues' (queue lengths for each queue, plus 'status' for the http status code of that query) Suggestions for other metrics would be interesting if accompanied with info on how to extract it. I'm currently contemplating including the number of 'to be moderated' messages. It would be possible to include the number of lists or domains but not sure it's useful enough to be worth the cost of fetching it. It is passed the api auth data separately. It would be better to read it from mm config: is there existing code I can call? Regards, Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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How to create my first mailing list
by liutianhua68＠163.com April 19, 2022

April 19, 2022

Hello: I have installed mailman3 with docker, configured "MAILMAN_ADMIN" in docker-compose.yaml, but after logging into web with this user, there is nowhere to create mailing list. How should I create a super admin account now or where to create the first mailing list, is there any reference documentation, please help, thanks. liutianhua68(a)163.com

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MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY - 401 error
by Torsten R. April 14, 2022

April 14, 2022

Hi together, I just updated one of my servers to Debian 11 and that also introduced mailman3 to the system as I was running mailman 2.1 for years before on that server. It took me a while to configure everything but I am convinced that I now have everything done properly. I am able to access the web interface of mailman3 (postorius) and also the archive (hyperkitty). I configured exim to deal with messages send to the lists. But when I try to send a message (as a member of a list) to a list I always get a 401 in mailman.log and the message that I should check if I provided MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY and if it is correct. So far, I can say that the key is the same in mailman-web.py (with single quotes) and mailman-hyperkitty.cfg (without quotes). in mailman-web.py I have: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'somesecretkeywithlotsofcharacters' and in mailman-hyperkitty I have this: api_key: somesecretkeywithlotsofcharacters I have some messages in $var_dir/archives/hyperkitty/spool but mailman qfile <messagefile> doesn't show anything that would catch my eye. So, maybe I need another pair of eyes that could take a look at my configs or someone that is turning me in the right direction and might give some hints where to look and what to check. Thanks, Torsten

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Lessons learned and a couple little gotcha for newbies
by William Oliver April 13, 2022

April 13, 2022

I just finished, with great help from Mark Sapiro on the list, a new installation of mailman3. I used the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/insta… and https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html There were a couple of gotchas that I didn't see well documented. 1) I got the error django.template.library.InvalidTemplateLibrary: Invalid template library specified. ImportError raised when trying to load 'hyperkitty.templatetags.decorate': cannot import name 'escape_html' from 'mistune.scanner' (/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site- packages/mistune/scanner.py) when I ran 'mailman-web migrate' The fix was trivial: I just added the lines: from mistune.util import escape_html from mistune.util import escape_url to /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mistune/scanner.py It's not hard to search for those definitions, but if someone doesn't know a smattering of python, it might not be obvious. 2) Similarly, migrate (using postgres) also gave the error: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site- packages/django/db/backends/postgresql/utils.py", line 6, in utc_tzinfo_factory raise AssertionError("database connection isn't set to UTC") I was able to find a discusson of this one at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68024060/assertionerror-database-connec… which had me downgrade to an older version of psycopg2-binary: pip install psycopg2-binary==2.8.6 There might be a different fix, but this worked. 3) When I ran the test "uwsgi --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini" I got the error: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings' This was also trivially fixed by adding the path: export PYTHONPATH=$PYTHONPATH:/etc/mailman3 in /opt/mailman/.bashrc 4) Sometimes when I rebooted the machine, when I ran 'systemctl start mailman3' I'd get the error that mailman wouldn't start because the lock was stll there. I never could figure out where the lock was, so I worked around it by replacing ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start with ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start --force in /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service I'm sure there's something bad about doing that, but it works for me, so far. 5) I had a problem with mail to outside people not being delivered while mail to the local host was delivered. It turned out that this was because in my mailman.cfg I had "smtp_host:my.listserver.tld when it should have been localhost. The error was "relay access denied." To fix this, I had to add my.listserver.tld to "mynetworks" in /etc/postfix/main.cf, ie change: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/24 to mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/24 111.222.333.444 <--- my ip address However, Mark Sapiro (a God) told me this was because I had changed a line in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. I had changed smtp_host: localhost to smtp_host: mydomain.tld Here's the thing. The reason I did this was because the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html give this as their model: [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: mail.example.com lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: mail.example.com <---- not localhost smtp_port: 25 The instructions are good, but there are a few places where one size does not fit all, I guess. 6) A second error in delivery to outside addresses resulted in an "Access denied" error. A search on the internet revealed that this had to do with (for me) smtpd_recipient_restrictions in postfix. See, for instance: https://know.mailsbestfriend.com/postfix_error_relay_access_denied_noqueue_… Changing this fixed things. I'm not sure, but I think this shows up mostly with installations that include dovecot. 7) If you are using virtual domains in postfix, you need to use the "unusual postfix configuration" in https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… virtual_alias_maps = hash:/path-to-mailman/var/data/postfix_vmap 8) You need to manually set the local virtual host for mailman3. Somehow, I got the impression from the installation instructions that this was done automagically to the default x.mydomain.tld if your domain is mydomain.tld. It doesn't. 9) Follow the instructions verbatim, and follow them in the order provided. I installed postfix and nginx out of order, and it did OK, but once you get into the python virtual environment, it is easy to miss something if you don't do it in order. 10) Jot down lots of notes. This is one of the more complicated installations I've done, mostly because it involved configuring a zillion packages to talk to each other: Postfix, nginx, postorius, hyperkitty, django, and others (I'd never heard of "whoosh" or "sass" for instance). All of these can be unforgiving with configuration errors. The default installation instructions assumed a number of packages I'd never used. I'm an apache/dovecot/mysql kind of person, and I had to switch to nginx/postgres to use the instructions as the written defaults. I'm sure I could have used apache and mysql, but it would mean trying to figure out what didn't work without following the installations verbatim. I'd never even heard of postorius, hyperkitty, or django. So, it was easy to get confused a bit. Taking notes of changes I made was important in being able to back out of disastrous choices. Plus, once I'd installed it on one machine, I sat down and installed it on another machine, and it was very useful to have written down how I fixed an issue when it came up again -- and I didn't remember exactly what I had done. 11) Make multiple sequential backups of configuration files. I went down a couple of paths I shouldn't have gone down. For instance, with the vmap issue, I got it in my head that it was a postfix configuration issue, not a mailman issue. So I kept changing things in postfix. Once I was told that it was in *mailman* I had to set the virtual host, I needed to back out of about 8 tweaks I'd made to main.cf in /etc/postfix. If I hadn't been making main.cf.backup.01, main.cf.backup.02, etc. I would have had to spend another few hours trying to remember what inappropriate changes I had made. This is particularly true for me because I am not a great typist, and when I try to retype something to back out, there's a reasonable chance I'll mistype something and it still won't work. With these backups, I don't have both manually back out of things *and* proof my typing again and again. It's a lot easier to delete backups once things are working than to try to remember what you did late at night after a couple of bourbons. 12) Choose one set of installation instructions and follow it. Don't try to mix instructions from different tutorials unless you really know what you are doing. I didn't. For instance, there's a different set of mailman3 installation instructions at: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 It does things a little differently. It's useful to look at that when you are debugging why something's not working, but you can get into some trouble trying to do both installations at the same time -- which I found myself doing when something wasn't working. It didn't help. billo

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Issue with send mail to my domain in mailman3
by Paul Ssekamatte April 12, 2022

April 12, 2022

I get this error in mail.log when I try to send mail to my domain Recipient address rejected: SMTP AUTH is required for users under this sender domain (in reply to RCPT TO command)). My setup is such that the server hosting the mailman3 (lists@tld) lists is different from the mail server (mail@tld) Please advise.

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How to use the "recipient_delimiter" postfix parameter with Mailman3?
by Pierre Malard April 12, 2022

April 12, 2022

Hi, We are using the « recipient_delimiter » parameter with our Postfix server as « _ ». Visibly, Mailman have it’s own mail configuration because it doesn’t work know. Is it a way to conserv this Postfix functionality? Thanks -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système GeoSUD IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UMS CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France « La façon de donner vaut mieux que ce que l'on donne » Pierre Corneille (1606-1684) - Le menteur |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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french translation
by Yvan ♞ April 11, 2022

April 11, 2022

Hello is there any french translation for mailman 3 ? to make it more user friendly to users. Sincerely

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Re: Mailman3 reinstall fail, need some help
by Yvan ♞ April 11, 2022

April 11, 2022

Yes it's debian and I have root access but it's a more "user friendly" server release. I tryed this but it block https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/mailman3_ynh/blob/master/README.md https://yunohost.org/en/administrate/whatisyunohost Sincerely Yvan Le 12/03/2022 à 15:28, Eggert Ehmke a écrit : > Hello Yvan, > > I would suggest to install mailman3 following this guide: > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html > > but at first check, which operating system is on your yunohost? Is it Debian/ > Ubuntu? In this case the guide is fine, else there will be some adaptions. > > Tell me some details of your system, and if you have root access and can > install software packages. > > Regards > Eggert > > Am Samstag, 12. März 2022, 15:16:11 CET schrieb Yvan ♞: >> Hello, just made a try to install mailman 3 on yunohost unsuccessfully >> Sad... >> If some body can help me... >> Thanks >> https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/hujesebita >> >> Le 07/02/2022 à 15:57, Stephen J. Turnbull a écrit : >> >>> Yvan ♞ writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> > Just to know if I have a chance, do I have to unistall mailman before >>> > installing mailman 3 ? >>> >>> >>> >>> No. In fact, you can run both at the same time. Not for the same >>> list, obviously. And it requires a fair amount of planning and careful >>> attention to your web and MTA configurations. As far as I know there >>> are no naming conflicts in the default installations, Mailman 2 >>> installs into directory trees under directories named "mailman", while >>> Mailman 3 installs under "mailman3". >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list --mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email tomailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > >

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template head/footer questions.
by bob B April 11, 2022

April 11, 2022

I migrated from mailman 2 to mailman3 and had head/footer questions. In the mailman 3 GUI see the templates section, so where do those files get edited/stored? I added a footer to a list via the GUI, but I do not see it in: /var/templates/lists/[listNAME]/en I see some directories corresponding to list names in /var/templates/lists/ But I do not have a directory for all my lists and for the footer one I just added. Bottom line, I assume I should not edit or create any files in /var/templates/lists/ and just use the GUI? is this directory leftover from migrating from mailman 2 to 3? I have a list admin who has made some head and footer files and wants me to put them in /var/templates/lists/[listNAME]/en/.... but I think that may not be the best option.

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out queue backlog and delivery rate
by dancab＠caltech.edu April 11, 2022

April 11, 2022

We experienced an issue where our upstream mail protection gateway had an issue for a few hours. As a result out Mailman system was inundated with hundreds of messages within half an hour. Mail delivery is continuing at a snails pace and it is now 4 hours behind. I noticed that the system isn't overloaded either via CPU or Memory. It's just slowly "working on it". Are there rate limits that can be tuned for Mailman queues such as the "out" queue? Could this be IO related somehow? I'd expect there to be a CPU spike in that case. Please advise. Thanks in advance. ---- Dan Caballero Systems Administrator Academic Computing Solutions IMSS - Caltech https://imss.caltech.edu Is there anyway to

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Non devloper needs help with MailMan
by jenny＠bublitzcreative.com April 8, 2022

April 8, 2022

We have an old MailMan program for our 165 members. The developer has gone MIA. Is anyone interested in being our new admin and helping us update our MailMan software?

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Looking for equivalent functions from mailman2
by Julian Kippels April 6, 2022

April 6, 2022

Hi, I am currently in the process of converting all lists from our mailman2 instance to mailman3 lists. In the process I found that some of the mm2-commands that I have come to rely on are no longer available for mm3. For example, how could I get an equivalent output to what "list_owners -w" would have given me on mm2? The same goes for the old "list_members"-command. Thanks in advance Julian Kippels

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NNTP support
by Philip Colmer April 5, 2022

April 5, 2022

Hi I'm struggling to understand from the documentation what Mailman 3 supports with regards to NNTP. Does it only support sending emails to a configured news server or does it support NNTP access to itself by user client software? Thank you. Regards Philip

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Active archivers and archiving and thread question.
by bob B March 31, 2022

March 31, 2022

Digging into the mailman3 world, and want to check my logic... We normally don't use archives, so I have "archive policy" set to "Do not archive this list" for our lists. However, the "archives" button is still there on the list info page, and if users go into it, they don't see anything, But they can click "start a new thread" which sends a message to the list, but since archiving is turned off, that message does not show up there. Am I understanding that correctly? if I have "Active archivers" disabled, that hides that area from the users, correct? Any reason why these are separated? why have an active archiver, if archiving is turned off -OR- archives are turned on, but no active archiver?

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New install - The Message have no valid senders
by kenneth.karlsson＠eco.cept.org March 31, 2022

March 31, 2022

I have installed a brand spanking new Ubuntu 21.10, with postfix as SMTP server and mailman3-full apt package.. All checks out fine except when i deliver mails into MM. Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.7 (default, Sep 10 2021, 14:59:43) [GCC 11.2.0] I have a very simple mail command going into Postfix, and it receives it fine and relay it to MM (email address obscured below but of course a proper email address was used !): The command: EHLO contoso.com mail from: <xxx(a)xxx.com> rcpt to: <mhtest(a)list.cept.org> DATA This is a test message . Accepted by Postfix: Mar 29 11:17:17 lits01a postfix/smtpd[4088]: B86DD6A04B9: client=unknown[192.168.200.157] Mar 29 11:17:30 lits01a postfix/cleanup[4091]: B86DD6A04B9: message-id=<> Mar 29 11:17:30 lits01a postfix/qmgr[3952]: B86DD6A04B9: from=<xxx(a)xxx.com>, size=200, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Mar 29 11:17:30 lits01a postfix/lmtp[4109]: B86DD6A04B9: to=<mhtest(a)list.cept.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=24, delays=24/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Mar 29 11:17:30 lits01a postfix/qmgr[3952]: B86DD6A04B9: removed MM receives it: Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) handling connection Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) Data: b'LHLO list.cept.org' Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<xxx(a)xxx.com>' Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) sender: xxx(a)xxx.com Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) Data: b'RCPT TO:<mhtest(a)list.cept.org>' Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) recip: mhtest(a)list.cept.org Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) Data: b'DATA' Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) Data: b'QUIT' Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) connection lost Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) Connection lost during _handle_client() But MM3 discards it: Mar 29 10:08:03 2022 (1767) DISCARD: <164854848338.1768.3954079936807939297@lits01a>; ['The message has no valid senders'] I have no idea where its goes wrong, but fear its something in the source code. Kind regards Kenneth Karlsson

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Problem with redirection when entering alias without a / at the end
by Jens Günther March 31, 2022

March 31, 2022

Hey there, I'm using Apache2 as the webserver, configured https://mailman.xyz.de as Web host. When I want to get to Mailman Starting Page now I need to Enter the following URL: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/ to be directly redirected as expected to https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/postorius/lists/ -> works. Problem: When leave out the slash at the end and I ONLY enter the following URL: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3 -> then I'm wrongly redirected to a page, taht does not exist: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman/postorius/lists/ -> 404 Where can I change this misbehaviour? In Apache-conf everything seems as it'S in the docs, for the vHost I do not have any other custom settings. Thank you in advance. By the way: Is there an easy way to redirect directly from https://mailman.xyz.de to https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/postorius/lists/ -> what would be a possibility for that?

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Mails are stuck in Mailman Pipeline Queue
by Shashikanth Komandoor March 30, 2022

March 30, 2022

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in-built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.7 version with default values. I am almost running 2000 lists with 64 GB RAM and 8 Cores on a single VM and on which all the mailman 3 components are running. I have been running this setup in production for the past 2 years and 6 months. I have been seeing a special scenario suddenly: most of the mails that are sent to this server are going to the pipeline queue and not getting released from there. No configuration changes are done and I'm not sure why the mails are getting stuck there. I have recreated the list but no luck. Could not identify the root cause. Please help in this regard. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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changing default preferred language of list
by Paul Paulchen March 29, 2022

March 29, 2022

Hi MM community, need a little advise. We're running mailman in a Docker Container (maxking) Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.5 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.10 (default, May 6 2021, 06:30:44) [GCC 9.3.0] As far as I understood, it should be pretty easy. My wish: every new list we create has a default value for the preferred language: de (instead of us) Like described here: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… We put the values in: [mailman] default_language: de "/etc/mailman.cfg" and "/opt/mailman/mailman-extra.cfg" Nothing changes. When I create a new list via Postorius, is see the preferred language is US. Am I missing something? Is the default always US? And I have to change it manually? Cheers in advance! Paul

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Docker-Setup: example.com in test mails
by Bjoern Franke March 29, 2022

March 29, 2022

Hi, we are running a docker setup with mailman-web and mailman-core. To our confusion, test mails testing for bounces are sent from example.com From: Mailman <mailman(a)example.com> To: Mailman Bounces <mailman-bounces(a)example.com> instead of the list domain and are therefore often considered as spam. The list domain should be lists.ffnw.de. Did I miss some setting? Best Regards Bjoern

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users leaking across virtual hosts
by Stanisław Findeisen March 25, 2022

March 25, 2022

Hi We are hosting several virtual hosts (mail host : web host is a 1:1 mapping with identical names), works fine, but it looks user accounts are somehow global, i.e. registering a new user in a new virtual host doesn't work if the user name or e-mail address are already in use in another virtual host. This happens on the Hyperkitty sign-up page: /accounts/signup/ , with the errors being "A user is already registered with this e-mail address." and "A user with that username already exists.". I am assuming this is a well-known limitation, which would require a serious internal redesign to fix; correct? I was able to successfully login in the browser to a vhost using my user credentials from the original vhost (the one where the account was created) (the password was not auto-filled, of course, because of a different domain name). But how safe is this? How about subscribing to lists, posting etc.? Is this going to mess things up somehow? Thanks Stanisław

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duplicate SITE_IDs and broken /postorius/lists/ display; Mailman Client
by Stanisław Findeisen March 25, 2022

March 25, 2022

Hi I am having 4 different virtual domains (FILTER_VHOST = True). However on the domain list page in Postorius: https://.../postorius/domains/ I can see only 3 different SITE_IDs: 1,1,4,3. If I recall correctly, the "3" and "4" were created manually using the Postorius Web UI, whereas the two "1"s were created using the Mailman Client: client.create_domain(name) Is this a bug? Or did I mess something up? What significance do those SITE_IDs have? What I also noticed is that in the Postorius Web UI: https://.../postorius/lists/ both "1" domains display the lists contained in "3", whereas both "3" and "4" display correctly their lists. Except the "3", all domains are empty at the moment (no lists) (so "4" correctly displays no lists). Not sure if this is related?... Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] Thanks! Stanisław

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Django Internal Server Error on held_messages
by Hasan Berkay Çağır March 24, 2022

March 24, 2022

Hello, We've been running a Mailman3 instance with Debian 10's official package: Mailman Core Version: GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version: 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version: 3.7.3 (default, Jan 22 2021, 20:04:44) [GCC 8.3.0] For some reason, and only on some lists, when we try to see held messages on Postorius, we get an error message "An error occurred while processing your request." and the following error email: """ Internal Server Error: /postorius/lists/list.example.com/held_messages KeyError at /postorius/lists/list.example.com/held_messages 'file' Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mailman.example.com/postorius/lists/list.example.com/held_messages Django Version: 1.11.29 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.7.3 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python37.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.7', '/usr/lib/python3.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:39:10 +0000 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 187. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 185. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py" in _wrapped_view 23. return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py" in wrapper 58. return fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py" in list_moderation 520. paginator_class=MailmanPaginator) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py" in paginate 72. objects = paginator.page(page_num) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py" in page 48. result = self.function(count=self.per_page, page=number) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/mailinglist.py" in get_held_page 134. return Page(self._connection, url, HeldMessage, count, page) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/page.py" in __init__ 37. self._create_page() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/page.py" in _create_page 62. response, content = self._connection.call(self._build_url()) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py" in call 99. raise HTTPError(url, response.status, content, response, None) During handling of the above exception (HTTP Error 500: b'A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator.'), another exception occurred: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/middleware.py" in __call__ 39. return self.get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 43. response = response_for_exception(request, exc) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in response_for_exception 93. response = handle_uncaught_exception(request, get_resolver(get_urlconf()), sys.exc_info()) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in handle_uncaught_exception 135. extra={'status_code': 500, 'request': request}, File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in error 1412. self._log(ERROR, msg, args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in _log 1519. self.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in handle 1529. self.callHandlers(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in callHandlers 1591. hdlr.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in handle 905. self.emit(record) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/log.py" in emit 118. reporter = ExceptionReporter(request, is_email=True, *exc_info) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/debug.py" in __init__ 246. self.template_info = getattr(self.exc_value, 'template_debug', None) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/tempfile.py" in __getattr__ 614. file = self.__dict__['file'] Exception Type: KeyError at /postorius/lists/list.example.com/held_messages Exception Value: 'file' Request information: USER: root GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: rl_anonymous_id = '*' rl_user_id = '*' rl_group_id = '*' rl_trait = '*' rl_group_trait = '*' rl_page_init_referrer = '*' rl_page_init_referring_domain = '*' csrftoken = '*' sessionid = '*' META: CONTENT_LENGTH = '' CONTENT_TYPE = '' CSRF_COOKIE = '*' DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/etc/nginx/html' HTTPS = 'on' HTTP_ACCEPT = 'text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/avif,image/webp,*/*;q=0.8' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate, br' HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE = 'en-US,en;q=0.5' HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL = 'max-age=0' HTTP_COOKIE = '*' HTTP_DNT = '1' HTTP_HOST = 'mailman.example.com' HTTP_REFERER = 'https://mailman.example.com/postorius/lists/list.example.com/' HTTP_SEC_FETCH_DEST = 'document' HTTP_SEC_FETCH_MODE = 'navigate' HTTP_SEC_FETCH_SITE = 'same-origin' HTTP_TE = 'trailers' HTTP_UPGRADE_INSECURE_REQUESTS = '1' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:98.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/98.0' PATH_INFO = '/postorius/lists/list.example.com/held_messages' QUERY_STRING = '' REMOTE_ADDR = '::1' REMOTE_PORT = '58290' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_SCHEME = 'https' REQUEST_URI = '/postorius/lists/list.example.com/held_messages' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = 'mailman.example.com' SERVER_PORT = '443' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/2.0' uwsgi.core = 0 uwsgi.node = b'example.com' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.18-debian' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7f8f7a6bf870> wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'https' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'admin(a)example.com'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['*'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = '/usr/share/mailman3-web' CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_COMPRESSOR = 'compressor.css.CssCompressor' COMPRESS_CSS_FILTERS = ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter'] COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7f8f7b50d598> COMPRESS_JS_COMPRESSOR = 'compressor.js.JsCompressor' COMPRESS_JS_FILTERS = ['compressor.filters.jsmin.JSMinFilter'] COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/less', 'lessc {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/mailman3/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.mysql', 'NAME': 'mailman3web', 'USER': 'mailman3web', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '', 'OPTIONS': {'init_command': "SET sql_mode='STRICT_TRANS_TABLES'", 'charset': 'utf8mb4'}, 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'NAME': None, 'MIRROR': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_CONTENT_TYPE = 'text/html' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)example.com' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAILNAME = 'example.com' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_CHARSET = 'utf-8' FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': '/var/lib/mailman3/web/fulltext_index'}} HOSTNAME = 'localhost.local' IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = "('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount')" INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler', 'filename': '/var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIDDLEWARE_CLASSES = ['django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware'] MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://mailman.example.com/' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', 'poll': 5} ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = False SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)example.com' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/mailman3/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_ETAGS = False USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'SAMEORIGIN' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y' """ I've tried to debug this issue as much as I can but couldn't figure out anything. I wonder if anyone has encountered something like this or might have a clue about what's the problem here? Thanks in advance, Berkay

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by Andrew Hodgson March 18, 2022

March 18, 2022

Hi. Back on the topic of bogus web signups again. I am dealing with several hundreds of these per month and we're talking a very low traffic system here. I have a cronjob to remove the users from the database. Right now a concern for me is handling the bounces for the confirmation emails that don't get delivered. These are coming from postorius(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org<mailto:postorius@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> which I have redirected to a mailbox so as not to clutter up the mail queue. What I would ideally like is if we get a bounce from one of these confirmation mails we delete the user from the database but that is probably a future request. We don't get too many of these, around 20-30 a week. What are other people doing with these messages? Thanks. Andrew.

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Replies
by Matthew R March 18, 2022

March 18, 2022

Hi everyone, we're going to be using a Mailman3 list for the purpose of providing email support. So: * Anyone can post to the list * Agents will reply to the poster to receive support, and the reply must go back to the original poster (the client) and the mailing list for other agents to see * The poster's replies will be sent to the mailing list (so other agents can see) as well as to the agent who initially replied to the initial posting Is there any way to accomplish this? Right now, if the agent replies to the client's email correctly but the client doesn't hit "Reply All" the email is only sent to the agent that initially took the "case" and the other agents aren't aware that there was a response. Thank you, Matt Matthew R, AD, FSEN, FSO, FSCR Chief Director of Engineering & Chairman of the Board of Directors Library of Code sp-us matthew(a)staff.libraryofcode.org ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature Name: smime.p7s Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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How to promote non-members to members?
by Quanah Gibson-Mount March 17, 2022

March 17, 2022

Hello, We have a constant issue with confirmation emails for subscribers getting lost and then the subscriber contacting us because their posts to the list never show up. Is there a way I can, as an administrator, do the confirmation on their behalf or in some other way promote them to being a member from non-member? Regards, Quanah

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pending subscriptions lost?
by IEM Network Operation Center (IOhannes m zmölnig) March 15, 2022

March 15, 2022

hi, after mark has helped me at the end of january to find users that were not attached to any mailing list (indicating people who pressed the wrong button when trying tosign up), we sent out a 2nd mass mail to our target audience to ask them to subscribe again. we are now getting feedback from people, who say that they are unable to sign up, with mailman3 telling them: > Subscription request already pending this is somewhat bad as: - at least some of the users (who reported the problem) tried to subscribe 2 months ago (2022-01-04) - if they did not confirm their email back then, i'm pretty sure that this email has been lost by now - my /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg has "pending_request_life: 3d" - i (as administrator) do not see any "pending subscriptions" (the list is setup with a simple "Confirm" subscription policy - i (as administrator) do not find any mention of the user's email address anywhere either in postorious webinterface of the list, nor in the django - in the sql-dump (it's been a while since i worked with postgres on a higher level) i do see the user's email in the workflowstate, address and pendedkeyvalue tables. the installation is (still) mailman_3.2.1-1 on a Debian/buster system (using the Debian/buster packages for mailman3) i wonder: - why are the pending subscriptions not expired? (i guess they should have expired after 3 days) - why can't people re-subscribe while there's a subscription pending (e.g. if the confirmation mail got lost)? - how can i list all pending subscriptions (for a given mailinglist)? - how can i resolve the situtation (e.g. send out another reminder; manually expire the pendings; manually confirm the pendings,...) gfmdsd IOhannes

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hyperkitty url not found
by Eggert Ehmke March 15, 2022

March 15, 2022

I installed mailman3 in a virtualenv following this guide: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html[1] The mailinglists work very good. However, I did not manage to set up hyperkitty archiving. Archiving is enabled in mailman.cfg. I can call the Archive site from my configuration page, but it is empty. In my /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log file I find error messages like: HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/mailman/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: The requested URL was not found on this server. Indeed I cannot access that url using curl. Do I have to set up a separate apache vhost? The documentation is not clear about this, or I missed it. My external visible url is https://lists.[2]<tld>_/mailman3/mailman3/lists/_ -------- [1] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html [2] https://lists.ftv-spandau.de/mailman3/mailman3/lists/

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Delete user
by Rainer Herbst March 14, 2022

March 14, 2022

Hi *! Recently, I have updated my docker images to 0.4.2 and it worked great. In the Postorius GUI, I see a new topic "Users" and found it quite comfortable. But one problem remais open - how can I delete a user alltogether, i.e. including his subscription and account data from the database? The reason for this question are the GDPR regulations - we do subscribe new staff members to some lists automatically, and should unsubscribe them and delete the entries after they left our organization. Viele Grüße Rainer Herbst Leiter IT-Service Phone: +49 331 7499-257 e-mail: rainer.herbst(a)aip.de https://www.aip.de ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leibniz-Institut für Astrophysik Potsdam (AIP) An der Sternwarte 16, 14482 Potsdam Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Matthias Steinmetz, Wolfram Rosenbach Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts Stiftungsverzeichnis Brandenburg: 26 742-00/7026 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Name: smime.p7s

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DKIM signatures with message footers or subject prefixes
by Stanisław Findeisen March 14, 2022

March 14, 2022

Dear Experts What is the best way to go about reconciling GNU Mailman3-made message modifications (like message footers or subject prefixes) with sender-made DKIM signatures? I am aware of the "DMARC mitigations" tab in the list settings, not bad, but it looks that "replace From: with list address" doesn't help (of course), whereas wrapping the message in an outer message often looks ugly. Is there a better way?... BTW I would like to point out that broken DKIM signature can be a problem even with an easy DMARC policy; for example ProtonMail will display this flashy red warning: https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/email-has-failed-its-domains-… in its webmail. (I guess nothing can be done about it except "DMARC Mitigate unconditionally"). This is GNU Mailman 3.1. Thanks!

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list footer questions
by Mohsen Masoudfar March 14, 2022

March 14, 2022

Hi, This seems to me like basic simple questions, I have tried FAQ and other resources, with not much success. I have two questions: 1. When I send an email to a list, in gmail and yahoo I see the following text with the links at the end of the email body: _______________________________________________ Testlist_dmark1 mailing list - listname(a)domain.tlb<mailto:testlist_dmark1@newlistserv.aaas.org> To unsubscribe send an email to listname-leave(a)domain.tlb In<mailto:listname-leave@domain.tlb%0b%0bIn> outlook this is added as an attachment in the form of a TEXT file, when you open it, you see the same text. Question: Is there a way to change this, that it looks in outlook the same way as it appears in gmail/yahoo? I know MS does it own stuff sometime and we have no impact on that, but I was thinking maybe we might change the footer in a way that outlooks sees that as part of email body. 2. How may I change the format and the text in footer? I was expecting it under list > setting, in postorius, but I could not find it. Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

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Mailman3 reinstall fail, need some help
by Yvan ♞ March 12, 2022

March 12, 2022

hello, trying to install mailman 3 on yunohost with 2 domains, have some trouble... server error, no more access Tried to remove, reinstall, and then error https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/xiqoyajegi Yvan

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Why is this Postorius API public?
by Stanisław Findeisen March 10, 2022

March 10, 2022

Hello I've just noticed that Postorius API is publicly accessible from the outside to an unauthenticated user, for example: https://HOST/postorius/api/templates/list/LISTNAME.VHOST/list:member:regula… Is this what is expected? Or a misconfiguration? How to fix this? This is GNU Mailman 3.1. Thanks!

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New MM3 plugin: mailman_sieve
by Дилян Палаузов March 10, 2022

March 10, 2022

Hello, I have published a new Mailman 3 plugin at https://mail.aegee.org/cgit/mailman_sieve/tree/ . It generates for each mailing list a Sieve script. When the Sieve script is evaluated during the SMTP dialog, it would reject some emails, which otherwise would be bounced by Mailman. Less bounces means less backscatters and better IP reputation. For the record, I do the evaluation of the Sieve scripts during the SMTP dialog with https://mail.aegee.org/cgit/aegee-milter . Since the latter is not documented yet, you cannot use it. The mailman_sieve plugin is not useful, unless you have software to evaluate the Sieve Scripts during the SMTP dialog. This is a very first version, which does what it is supposed to do. Some optimizations are possible, like not including the subscriber addresses in the Sieve scripts for announce-only mailing lists. I am not good at writing setuptools configuration. Neither do I understand the mailman system very good right now, creating possibly shorter scripts. But the plugin is there to keep by IP reputation good! See https://mail.aegee.org/cgit/mailman_sieve/tree/README.md . My reading of the mm3 source code is that there is no event triggered, when the mailing list configuration changes, like adding a new moderator, or switching the announce-only status. In the lack of such event triggers, the Sieve scripts are not updated. When the code improves, the plugin could be published in PyPi or in mailman/contrib . Greetings Дилян

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GNU Mailman in Google Summer of Code 2022!
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 10, 2022

March 10, 2022

Hi all, We are participating in Google Summer of Code 2022 (GSoC) under the Python Software Foundation (PSF). We did apply as a separate organization, but didn't get in. Many thanks to the PSF's GSoC organization for picking us up at the last minute! You can find our ideas page at https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202022, and item on the PSF ideas page under https://python-gsoc.org/ideas.html (which isn't so interesting about Mailman, but you can check out who else is under the PSF banner there). Discussion and development of project ideas will take place on mailman-developers(a)python.org. If you have a developed idea not already listed that you're willing to discuss and advocate, and you're willing to grab the template (last item on our ideas page on list.org) and fill it out, please post it to mailman-developers(a)python.org. (This a deliberate hoop-jumping exercise to filter in "serious" ideas.) You can put more weight on it by expressing interest in mentoring the project, and even more by actually volunteering! ;-) If you have a half-baked idea, and/or you want to get input from other Mailman users, of course you should feel free to discuss it on mailman-users(a)mailman3.org. We *might* pick it up from there, even if it's just a drive-by post with little support from the list members. But no promises about that, most of our attention will go to mailman-developers. If you feel some idea should get more love, polish it a little and post that to mailman-developers (don't cross-post, please). Again, we'd love to have more mentors, including backup mentors. We currently only have two mentors. Although we're both core developers, and I'm on an academic schedule and can devote plenty of time to the student during the summer, not so for Abhilash. Volunteering at this stage is not a promise to do more than look at student proposals. You would only be asked to look at the proposals, and volunteer as mentor for that project if you have interest and some level of knowledge to contribute to it. Even if you're a site admin with little Python programming experience, vetting interns' brainstorms about list admin-visible features and holding their hands until the "pros from Dover" arrive is quite helpful in making the student feel at home in our community. Many students are shy about blogging and communicating about their projects to the community -- just talking to them about their project and suggesting that they blog what they told you is helpful. Coding skills and knowledge of some part of the Mailman 3 code base are most welcome, of course, but you can make your mentor role what you want it to be. Regards, Steve

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address for email for owner
by bob B March 9, 2022

March 9, 2022

I just migrated my lists to mailman3 in docker today... YEAHHH!!!!!!!! but now my admins have to setup accounts and I noticed when they get the email to confirm it comes from admnin(a)[XYZ.COM]. Where is this email set? how can I change it? it is set to an internal domain (not public) of ours, so it is getting flagged as spam in external email accounts I looked in my docker. yaml and the MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL=mailman3(a)[123.com}. which is where I would expect the request/confirmation email to come from.

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Problem with debian uipgrade
by Lars Schimmer March 8, 2022

March 8, 2022

Hi! Today I tried a mailman3 upgrade of the debian packages and I got this error: django.db.migrations.exceptions.NodeNotFoundError: Migration hyperkitty.0007_allauth_20160808_1604 dependencies reference nonexistent parent node ('socialaccount', '0003_extra_data_default_dict') Anyone has a idea howto fix those? thank you. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

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User suspended after too much spam
by Eggert Ehmke March 6, 2022

March 6, 2022

I have set up spamassassin as spamfilter, and it works reasonable so far. Some spam passes the filter and I try to use it for training. However, one of my users has a very restrictive spam filter and rejects all spam. This causes mailman to suspend that user. I have to enable the user each time. How can I change that behaviour? I do not want my users to be suspended. Cheers

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Mailman3 not working following distribution upgrade from Debian 10 to 11.
by gordon＠dickens.com March 6, 2022

March 6, 2022

I performed a distribution upgrade from Debian 10 Buster (which runs mailman 3.2.1) to Debian 11 Bullseye (which runs mailman 3.3.1) with the command "apt-get full-upgrade -y" and everything apparently worked properly except at the end of the upgrade when the following error dialog was generated by the mailman3-web and mailman3-full post-installation scripts: Setting up mailman3-web (0+20200530-2) ... Determining localhost credentials from /etc/mysql/debian.cnf: succeeded. dbconfig-common: writing config to /etc/dbconfig-common/mailman3-web.conf dbconfig-common: flushing administrative password sed: -e expression #2, char 77: unterminated `s' command dpkg: error processing package mailman3-web (--configure): installed mailman3-web package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mailman3-full: mailman3-full depends on mailman3-web; however: Package mailman3-web is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing package mailman3-full (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: mailman3-web mailman3-full E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Now, every time that I execute "apt-get upgrade" then I continue to get the above error dialog. Also, the command "dpkg-reconfigure mailman3-web" generates this output: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mailman3-web is broken or not fully installed So, I am now stuck since apt-get is saying that mailman3-web is not configured yet, however, neither apt-get nor dpkg-reconfigure will successfully configure mailman3-web. Does anybody have any idea how to fix this? I would very much appreciate some suggestions. Thanks, Gordon

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Remove login from list subscription page
by bob B March 1, 2022

March 1, 2022

Is there any way to easily remove the login button for the List subscription page? 99% of our list do not use archiving, and log-in just confuses users so We would like for them just to be able to sign up to be on the list.

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Mass un/subscribe optimization?
by Bryan Loniewski Feb. 28, 2022

Feb. 28, 2022

Hi -- We've noticed slowness in mass un/subscribing users; looking through the issue(s) log we see both #419 [1] and #627 [2] open and related. From the cmd line we get better performance, but with the subscriber size on many of our Faculty/Staff/Students ad-hoc lists (think 1k-15K subscribed addresses) and with our number of lists (2600) and unique owners utilizing these actions it would be helpful to optimize the mass actions. We wanted to get some thoughts and guidance on what needs to be optimized/redesigned/fixed? Or is there already something in the works, but needs more time? We may be able to provide resources to encourage and/or assist with any development and/or testing... We run a split core/web setup with Apache,mod_wsgi and MySQL backend (AWS hosted). [1] - https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/419 [2] - https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/627

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Migration of archives from Sympa to MM3
by Tom Fillmore Feb. 28, 2022

Feb. 28, 2022

Hi, all - At the moment I have a site that uses Sympa. It has more than 150 lists. Moving existing lists to MM3 looks doable the archives are a different story. Has anyone ever migrated archives from Sympa to MM3? Sorry if this is answered somewhere else... Thanks T Fillmore southern California The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens... - Baha'u'llah

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Migrating archives from mailman2 to mailman3 with attachments
by bob B Feb. 28, 2022

Feb. 28, 2022

So I see the process for migrating an archive from mailman2 to mailman3 https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html.................. i.e python manage.py hyperkitty_import -l foo-list(a)example.com $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox but does the migration handle attachments?? attachments are in ..../archives/private/foo-list/attachments. I assume this is if you are upgrading in place? I am migrating to a new server and my plan is to follow these steps but copy the config.pck. and .mbox files to the new server and import them, but then it looks like I need to copy the attachment directory? if so how do I import the attachments to mailman3?

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sending messages in response to posts from non-members
by David Bremner Feb. 27, 2022

Feb. 27, 2022

I'd like to turn off the "bounce messages" sent by mailman to non-members. My reasoning is that most such posts are spammers, and often use forged return-paths / From's, so I end of sending steady stream of backscatter to amazon.com etc... Is this configurable (without postorius) somehow? d

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"autorespond to list owner" setting when importing from mailman2 to mailman3
by bob B Feb. 25, 2022

Feb. 25, 2022

In mailman2 a list was moderated, the admin would also get an email to approve the message, our lists mainly have admins and no moderators. The admins did the moderation. In mailman3 it looks this is now a setting "autorespond to list owner" was this a setting in mailman 2? Anyway, in importing email list from mailman 2 to 3, it appears that this setting is set to "No automatic response", is that right? So does this means if I import all my lists from mailman 2, then the admins will not get moderation notifications until I make that setting change on each list?

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Python 3.9 support
by dancab＠caltech.edu Feb. 25, 2022

Feb. 25, 2022

I just upgraded our Mailman3 system to use Python 3.9. About 6 hours after the deployment there was a PyMySQL error and delivery of messages stopped until I restarted the services. I'm pasting the full stack trace error from mailman.log below. It mentions PyMySQL. We have PyMySQL-1.0.2 installed. Thanks for your help. ---- Dan Caballero Systems Administrator Academic Computing Solutions IMSS - Caltech https://imss.caltech.edu Feb 23 23:27:10 2022 (300) Uncaught runner exception: (pymysql.err.OperationalError) (1053, 'Server shutdown in progress') [SQL: SELECT anon_1.member_id AS anon_1_member_id, anon_1.member__member_id AS anon_1_member__member_id, anon_1.member_role AS anon_1_member_role, anon_1.member_list_id AS anon_1_member_list_id, anon_1.member_moderation_action AS anon_1_member_moderation_action, anon_1.member_address_id AS anon_1_member_address_id, anon_1.member_preferences_id AS anon_1_member_preferences_id, anon_1.member_user_id AS anon_1_member_user_id, anon_1.member_bounce_score AS anon_1_member_bounce_score, anon_1.member_last_bounce_received AS anon_1_member_last_bounce_received, anon_1.member_last_warning_sent AS anon_1_member_last_warning_sent, anon_1.member_total_warnings_sent AS anon_1_member_total_warnings_sent FROM (SELECT `member`.id AS member_id, `member`._member_id AS member__member_id, `member`.`role` AS member_role, `member`.list_id AS member_list_id, `member`.moderation_action AS member_moderation_action, `member`.address_id AS member_address_id, `member`.preferences_id AS member_preferences_id, `member`.user_id AS member_user_id, `member`.bounce_score AS member_bounce_score, `member`.last_bounce_received AS member_last_bounce_received, `member`.last_warning_sent AS member_last_warning_sent, `member`.total_warnings_sent AS member_total_warnings_sent FROM `member`, address WHERE `member`.list_id = %(list_id_1)s AND `member`.`role` = %(role_1)s AND address.email = %(email_1)s AND `member`.address_id = address.id UNION SELECT `member`.id AS member_id, `member`._member_id AS member__member_id, `member`.`role` AS member_role, `member`.list_id AS member_list_id, `member`.moderation_action AS member_moderation_action, `member`.address_id AS member_address_id, `member`.preferences_id AS member_preferences_id, `member`.user_id AS member_user_id, `member`.bounce_score AS member_bounce_score, `member`.last_bounce_received AS member_last_bounce_received, `member`.last_warning_sent AS member_last_warning_sent, `member`.total_warnings_sent AS member_total_warnings_sent FROM `member`, address, user WHERE `member`.list_id = %(list_id_2)s AND `member`.`role` = %(role_2)s AND address.email = %(email_2)s AND `member`.user_id = user.id AND user._preferred_address_id = address.id) AS anon_1] [parameters: {'list_id_1': 'avery-disc.caltech.edu', 'role_1': 1, 'email_1': 'nandrade(a)caltech.edu', 'list_id_2': 'avery-disc.caltech.edu', 'role_2': 1, 'email_2': 'nandrade(a)caltech.edu'}] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/13/e3q8) Feb 23 23:27:10 2022 (300) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1276, in _execute_context self.dialect.do_execute( File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 608, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 148, in execute result = self._query(query) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 310, in _query conn.query(q) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 548, in query self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 775, in _read_query_result result.read() File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1156, in read first_packet = self.connection._read_packet() File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 725, in _read_packet packet.raise_for_error() File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/protocol.py", line 221, in raise_for_error err.raise_mysql_exception(self._data) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/err.py", line 143, in raise_mysql_exception raise errorclass(errno, errval) pymysql.err.OperationalError: (1053, 'Server shutdown in progress') The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 176, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 269, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 111, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 86, in deliver refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 164, in deliver member = mlist.members.get_member(recipient) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/model/roster.py", line 120, in get_member memberships = self._get_all_memberships(email) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/model/roster.py", line 116, in _get_all_memberships return members_a.union(members_u).all() File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3373, in all return list(self) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3535, in __iter__ return self._execute_and_instances(context) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3560, in _execute_and_instances result = conn.execute(querycontext.statement, self._params) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1011, in execute return meth(self, multiparams, params) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/sql/elements.py", line 298, in _execute_on_connection return connection._execute_clauseelement(self, multiparams, params) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1124, in _execute_clauseelement ret = self._execute_context( File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1316, in _execute_context self._handle_dbapi_exception( File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1510, in _handle_dbapi_exception util.raise_( File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/compat.py", line 182, in raise_ raise exception File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1276, in _execute_context self.dialect.do_execute( File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 608, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 148, in execute result = self._query(query) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 310, in _query conn.query(q) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 548, in query self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 775, in _read_query_result result.read() File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1156, in read first_packet = self.connection._read_packet() File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 725, in _read_packet packet.raise_for_error() File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/protocol.py", line 221, in raise_for_error err.raise_mysql_exception(self._data) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/err.py", line 143, in raise_mysql_exception raise errorclass(errno, errval) sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (pymysql.err.OperationalError) (1053, 'Server shutdown in progress') [SQL: SELECT anon_1.member_id AS anon_1_member_id, anon_1.member__member_id AS anon_1_member__member_id, anon_1.member_role AS anon_1_member_role, anon_1.member_list_id AS anon_1_member_list_id, anon_1.member_moderation_action AS anon_1_member_moderation_action, anon_1.member_address_id AS anon_1_member_address_id, anon_1.member_preferences_id AS anon_1_member_preferences_id, anon_1.member_user_id AS anon_1_member_user_id, anon_1.member_bounce_score AS anon_1_member_bounce_score, anon_1.member_last_bounce_received AS anon_1_member_last_bounce_received, anon_1.member_last_warning_sent AS anon_1_member_last_warning_sent, anon_1.member_total_warnings_sent AS anon_1_member_total_warnings_sent FROM (SELECT `member`.id AS member_id, `member`._member_id AS member__member_id, `member`.`role` AS member_role, `member`.list_id AS member_list_id, `member`.moderation_action AS member_moderation_action, `member`.address_id AS member_address_id, `member`.preferences_id AS member_preferences_id, `member`.user_id AS member_user_id, `member`.bounce_score AS member_bounce_score, `member`.last_bounce_received AS member_last_bounce_received, `member`.last_warning_sent AS member_last_warning_sent, `member`.total_warnings_sent AS member_total_warnings_sent FROM `member`, address WHERE `member`.list_id = %(list_id_1)s AND `member`.`role` = %(role_1)s AND address.email = %(email_1)s AND `member`.address_id = address.id UNION SELECT `member`.id AS member_id, `member`._member_id AS member__member_id, `member`.`role` AS member_role, `member`.list_id AS member_list_id, `member`.moderation_action AS member_moderation_action, `member`.address_id AS member_address_id, `member`.preferences_id AS member_preferences_id, `member`.user_id AS member_user_id, `member`.bounce_score AS member_bounce_score, `member`.last_bounce_received AS member_last_bounce_received, `member`.last_warning_sent AS member_last_warning_sent, `member`.total_warnings_sent AS member_total_warnings_sent FROM `member`, address, user WHERE `member`.list_id = %(list_id_2)s AND `member`.`role` = %(role_2)s AND address.email = %(email_2)s AND `member`.user_id = user.id AND user._preferred_address_id = address.id) AS anon_1] [parameters: {'list_id_1': 'avery-disc.caltech.edu', 'role_1': 1, 'email_1': 'nandrade(a)caltech.edu', 'list_id_2': 'avery-disc.caltech.edu', 'role_2': 1, 'email_2': 'nandrade(a)caltech.edu'}] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/13/e3q8)

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