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debian's 3.2.1 mailman package too unreliable in production - Mail held occasionally causes server errors, and unexplained queue/bad messages -
by Alex Schuilenburg Oct. 21, 2020

Oct. 21, 2020

We have an issue where a mailing list has had a message sent to it from a non-member, so the message has been held, but when the list owner or I attempt to list the held messages for the list we get a Server Error: "An error occurred while processing your request.". I see the mail being held in the mailman log with the non-subscriber reason, and followed the suggestions in https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… which worked to look at and discard that held message. The problem is, there are more and we have over 900 mailing lists FYI, we are running:Mailman Core VersionGNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato)Mailman Core API Version3.0Mailman Core Python Version3.7.3 (default, Jul 25 2020, 13:03:44) [GCC 8.3.0] So we are looking at setting up a virtualenv to run the latest mailman3 3.3.1 as the 3.2.1 package from debian is looking unstable - barely usable. For example, while poking around I found 641 messages in queue/bad , but when I inspect them they look fine. If, as mentioned elsewhere, I rename them to .pck, put them in queue/shunt, and "mailman unshunt" the mail finally gets delivered. Why work now? Some kind of transient bug? Is 3.3.1 the way to go? On that last error, I've now enabled debug and hope to catch why messages are being dropped into queue/bad instead of being delivered. Already I have found errors in the mailman log such as: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/1603233694.919073+d907eb9512ce11fda515c19d 723537fc4cb15da2.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1603233694.919073+d907eb9512ce11fda515c19d723537fc4cb15da2Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9787) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/archive/1603233694.9209244+a0c1f3aab51d3d202aa 37911ab453f094b50b450.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/1603233694.9260252+138142eeb15b16b5da16934 954d1d3aeb1331198.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist- packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 158, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp:PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/1603233694.9260252+138142eeb15b16b5da16934 954d1d3aeb1331198.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9790) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/in/1603233694.9129462+8be9ab12e5dfeab086a1ab8b 3917550aea313505.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1603233694.9260252+138142eeb15b16b5da16934954d1d3aeb1331198Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/1603233694.9269004+5f8572edfb07e0e28b9f0b7 928a1184b8c8048ba.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist- packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 158, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp:PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/1603233694.9269004+5f8572edfb07e0e28b9f0b7 928a1184b8c8048ba.pck'Oct 20 23:41:35 2020 (9793) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1603233694.9269004+5f8572edfb07e0e28b9f0b7928a1184b8c8048ba The mailman3 user, "list", owns and has full rights all the way down: # ls -ld /var/lib/mailman3/queue/*drwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 01:45 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/archivedrwxrwx--- 2 list list 77824 Oct 21 00:15 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/baddrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 19 10:44 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bouncesdrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 5 17:18 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/commanddrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 00:00 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/digestdrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 00:20 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/indrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Aug 11 18:44 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/nntpdrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 01:45 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/outdrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 01:45 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/pipelinedrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Aug 11 18:44 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/retrydrwxrwx--- 2 list list 69632 Oct 21 01:45 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shuntdrwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Oct 21 00:20 /var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin so I'm kinda running out of options why this particular problem is happening. Any pointers? Or just toss the mailman 3.2.1 debian package out and go for a virtualenv 3.3.1 mailman? Thanks -- Alex

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Messages in var/queue/shunt
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 20, 2020

Oct. 20, 2020

I have a large number of messages in the shunt directory due to some testing done. What is the proper method of dealing with them? Is there a way to release them again to the archiver or can I safely delete them? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Mailman 3 - docker container - sync_members
by holman＠uw.edu Oct. 20, 2020

Oct. 20, 2020

I would like to populate list members via the Mailman 3 sync_members script. However, I am using Mailman 3 in docker containers and it doesn't appear to have this command. How are others completing this synchronization? Searching this list I found a reasonable approach: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Is there a different/preferred solution?

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mailman import21
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 20, 2020

Oct. 20, 2020

Does the import21 script also import custom templates? Are these custom templates contained in the config.pck file? Are there any known issues with the importing of mm2 templates into a mm3 environment? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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I don't get my posts with Gmail
by blackout69 Oct. 18, 2020

Oct. 18, 2020

Hello everybody, I noticed that if I use a Gmail account to write to a Mailman3 list, the list receives my post and hyperkitty also archives the post, but I don't receive my own post. I have read that it is Gmail's will to automatically discard my post. Is there any way around this insane choice? Thank you in advance Max

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Wrong info in moderation mail when held due to match of a header rule
by Torge Riedel Oct. 18, 2020

Oct. 18, 2020

Hi, today I got the first time a moderation mail for a mail which was held due to a match of a header rule: The message is being held because: Header "Yes" matched a header rule At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the request. I think this is wrong, it should read 'Header "x-spam" matched a header rule'. Cause the header rule is configured for header "x-spam" and pattern "Yes". I haven't found a bug report for this yet on gitlab. If someone of the developers confirm this is wrong, I will file a bug on gitlab for it. Kind regards Torge

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Mailman Core 3.3.2rc2 Released
by Abhilash Raj Oct. 17, 2020

Oct. 17, 2020

Hi Everyone, I am pleased to announce that Mailman Core 3.3.2rc2 is now out. This release includes both bug fixes and some new features. Some notable changes include: - Support for inviting users to join mailing lists. - New `adddmembers`, `delmembers` and `syncmembers` command to manage membership from CLI. - Addition of new REST API endpoints that return the count of held messages and subscription requests of much faster page loads in Postorius. - Addition of support for filtering in some API endpoints like Members and Subscription requests. - Support for `address=` option in email join command to subscribe an address other then sending address. - Addition of `who` email command to lookup memberships. - Expose emergency field for MailingList resource in REST API. - Several bug fixes to support new major version of libraries like dnspython, flufl.* etc. Since this is a pre-release, you can install it using: $ pip install --pre --upgrade mailman If there are no new major bugs, 3.3.2 will be released in 2 weeks time. We are now in strings freeze, so if you would like to help with translations to your native language, now is the time. We use Weblate for translations [1] and see here[2] for more documentation about i18n process in Mailman. There are a couple of new templates and more user friendly email templates & subjects for Mailman generated emails that could use translations. [1]: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/mailman/ [2]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/translation.html -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Adding members to a mailman3 mailing list
by Onyeibo Oku Oct. 17, 2020

Oct. 17, 2020

Greetings I am testing mailman3 on Fedora Linux (32 and Rawhide). I installed it from the distribution's repositories and I am following the documentation at https://docs.mailman3.org/ I have created a mailing list on my instance but for I am unable to add members to it. Please, consider the following session: COMMAND: sudo -u mailman mailman3 lists OUTPUT: 1 matching mailing lists found: list(a)example.com COMMAND: sudo -u mailman mailman3 members --add members.txt list(a)example.com OUTPUT: usage: mailman members [OPTIONS] LISTSPEC Try 'mailman members -h' for help. Error: Invalid value for '--add' / '-a': Could not open file: members.txt: Permission denied When I try to use '-' instead of passing a file, I find no intuitive way to exit the standard input. What kind of permission is mailman expecting on the input file? I have tried changing ownership to the mailman user -- same output still. How does one use standard input to add members conclusively? Much regards Onyeibo

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Postorius password resets
by Andrew Hodgson Oct. 16, 2020

Oct. 16, 2020

Hi, I am having an issue with our system where password resets are giving the users an email with a http://localhost:8000 URL. I have made sure settings in settings_local.py (and even settings.py) are as follows: POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org' However emails are still coming through with the wrong URL. What have I missed? Thanks. Andrew.

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Is there a way accept/discard held messages through mailman shell
by Shashikanth Komandoor Oct. 15, 2020

Oct. 15, 2020

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.7 version with default values in production environment from the past 4 months almost. As of now, we are having around 1327 lists created on this. I learnt how to approve/discard/reject the held messages through the web interface and also through the CURL command line. But I wanted to know is there any other way to approve/discard/reject the held messages through "mailman shell" or any other channel ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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mailman3-web MailingList matching query does not exist.
by Loïc Dachary Oct. 12, 2020

Oct. 12, 2020

Hi, The logs of mailman3-web are flooded with the following error. I suspect this is because I removed some mailing lists (using the hyperkitty web interface and the delete button) and the cache still references them. Is there a job supposed to fix this at some point ? Thanks in advance for any tip you can share :-) ii python3-django-hyperkitty 1.3.2-1.1 all Web user interface to access GNU Mailman3 archives ii python3-mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0-9 all Mailman3 plugin to archive emails with HyperKitty ii mailman3 3.2.1-1 all Mailing list management system ii mailman3-web 0+20180916-10 all Django project integrating Mailman3 Postorius and HyperKitty ii python3-django-mailman3 1.2.0-3 all Django library to help interaction with Mailman3 (Python 3 version) ii python3-mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0-9 all Mailman3 plugin to archive emails with HyperKitty ii python3-mailmanclient 3.2.2-1 all Python bindings for Mailman3 REST API (Python 3 version) Cheers 15:53:45 [Q] INFO Process-1:8 processing [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month] 15:53:45 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month] - MailingList matching query does not exist. : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 377, in worker res = f(*task['args'], **task['kwargs']) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 79, in _rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 380, in get self.model._meta.object_name hyperkitty.models.mailinglist.DoesNotExist: MailingList matching query does not exist. -- Loïc Dachary, Artisan Logiciel Libre

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Subscription Acceptance
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 11, 2020

Oct. 11, 2020

Hello MM3 Users, Is the MM2 function: "List of addresses (or regexps) whose subscriptions do not require approval." going to end up in Mailman 3 or is there no plans to include it? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Moving from forum to Mailman 3
by Jonathan M Oct. 10, 2020

Oct. 10, 2020

What ways are there to move a forum to an existing Mailman 3 list, so that each old forum message is displayed in the archive as if it had been an email? Thank you Jonathan Sent from my iPhone

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persistent style
by Peter Münster Oct. 7, 2020

Oct. 7, 2020

Hi, How could I save a new style please? I've followed the instructions in https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/docs/styles.html and after the "manager.register(...)" I typed "commit()". But later, after exiting the mailman shell, the style is not saved... Another question: Where could I find the list of all options, that can be used in a style please? I've found some of them in mailman/styles/default.py (BasicOperation, Bounces, Public, Private, Moderation, etc.), but I'll need some more. TIA for any help, -- Peter

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File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1148, in getresponse raise ResponseNotReady()
by r.woithe＠callassoftware.com Oct. 7, 2020

Oct. 7, 2020

Hello, every night at 00:00 i get an email by mailman3: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django_extensions/management/commands/runjobs.py", line 34, in runjobs job().execute() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/jobs/sync_mailman.py", line 37, in execute sync_with_mailman() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/mailman.py", line 147, in sync_with_mailman sender.set_mailman_id() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/sender.py", line 57, in set_mailman_id mm_user = client.get_user(self.address) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/client.py", line 192, in get_user 'users/{0}'.format(address)) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 99, in call response, content = Http().request(url, method, data_str, headers) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1616, in request (response, content) = self._request(conn, authority, uri, request_uri, method, body, headers, redirections, cachekey) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1358, in _request (response, content) = self._conn_request(conn, request_uri, method, body, headers) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1314, in _conn_request response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1148, in getresponse raise ResponseNotReady() ResponseNotReady ERROR OCCURED IN DAILY JOB: sync_mailman (APP: hyperkitty) START TRACEBACK: END TRACEBACK Mailman3 runs on Ubuntu 18.04 and is installed via the apt-get repository packages. Mailman3 is working and created lists are functional. Therefor i would like to know can i neglect this message ? Or is this message a hint for an Error i should investigate and looking for a solution ?

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How to prevent members to attach executables (exe, bat, ...) to the emails sent to list
by Mohsen Masoudfar Oct. 7, 2020

Oct. 7, 2020

Hi, I am trying to find a way for content filtering to remove executables from the emails sent to the list. I found some hints under: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/stable/build/lib/mailman/handlers/docs/fi… but still not clear how to do it for all type of excecutables. Best regards Mohsen

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Re: Removing an archive from hyperkitty
by Loïc Dachary Oct. 5, 2020

Oct. 5, 2020

Hi, It turns out to be a feature added in 1.3.1 [0]. I wonder if the MySQL instructions listed in this comment[1] are safe to use? I'm reluctant to upgrade because the machine is for production and using packages from Debian GNU/Linux buster is recommended. Cheers [0] https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/146 [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/146#note_423111350 On 04/10/2020 18:16, Loïc Dachary wrote: > Hi, > > I accidentally created an archive for a non existent mailing list with a command like: > > python3 manage.py hyperkitty_import --list-address test2(a)the.re --ignore-mtime --no-sync-mailman /tmp/f.mbox > > where test2(a)the.re does not exist. It succeeded and now the web interface shows this archive that has no associated mailing list. How can I remove it ? > > Thanks in advance for any tip you may have ;-) > -- Loïc Dachary, Artisan Logiciel Libre

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Hyperkitty fulltext search performances
by Loïc Dachary Oct. 4, 2020

Oct. 4, 2020

Hi, I'm in the process of importing a large number of mbox (~30,000) for a few hundred mailing lists. So far around 300,000 mails (~12GB) were imported from two mailing lists. The hyperkitty_import process took ~8 hours and created a 10GB MySQL database. The update_index_one_list for the two lists took a total of ~72 hours and created a ~2GB worth of index in /var/lib/mailman3/web/fulltext_index, which is consistent with the fact that there are lot of attachments (probably 10GB out of 12GB). When I search for one word via the full text search web interface, it takes around 30 seconds to complete (even when repeated twice) and I can see the process grow to use up to 6GB of resident memory. It is running on a recent physical machine with decent IO and a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2609 v2 @ 2.50GHz. Is this consistent with other people experience? Cheers -- Loïc Dachary, Artisan Logiciel Libre

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Mailman3 not delivering list mail
by Gordon Dickens Oct. 2, 2020

Oct. 2, 2020

Hello, I have a fresh mailman3 installation that I recently upgraded from mailman2 on a debian system.Â In any event, I imported some test lists and tested my installation thoroughly and everything seemed to be working fine.Â Then, today, I imported a important live working mailing list from mailman2 and everything appeared to go well both with the import of the list addresses and the archives.Â However, when I sent out the first post on Mailman3 the post was not echoed to the list members.Â Then, I subsequently discovered that the queue had lots of mail undelivered in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad. It appears that my mailman3 installation has stopped delivering list mail and that all of the list mail is stuck in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad. How do I resolve this situation?Â Can I just remove the files with "rm *" in the /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad directory?Â Please let me know what I should do to get things working again. Thanks, Gordon

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Various patches for mm3 stable 3.3.1
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Sept. 30, 2020

Sept. 30, 2020

Folks, For my own purposes I have created some patches which apply to the current mailman pip package. The first of them is for my purposes necessary, and has been discussed here before: being able to specify the address used to listen for tcp connections independently of the address the server considers it to be accessible at. A possible change to this patch would be to check whether this address was undefined but the old hostname was defined, and use that if so. For me this is not needed, and in any case it is a trivial change to make. The second patch adds a bunch of additional logging calls to various network-related parts of the package. I wrote these into the package because I was seeking the cause of template expansion causing messages to be silently dropped. I eventually found the cause was that I had an incorrect setting of the template root URL, but I regard the lack of anything in the logs as just as much of a bug. One important part of those changes was that I added a try/catch around two parts of the 'decorate' code, which is where the silent dropping occurred. If you only take one part of this patch, I encourage you to take this part. For the third patch, I discovered that the task runner was at one point busy-waiting to the tune of 100% cpu, and the cause was the way that the runner checked to see if there was work left in the queue. I am not quite sure what was the exact problem, but I think it was that there was something to do, but it was not achievable at that time, and the result was continual retry. The third patch changes the logic slightly so that this no longer occurs - retry will happen, but somewhat more gracefully. I hope you find some use in these three. Finally, I am currently experiencing problems with templates and would appreciate any thoughts: 1. If I do not set up 'individual' or 'full' personalisation, all is well and the default footer templates are expanded as expected. However setting up personalisation causes template expansion to fail completely, and messages get sent with a blank expansion. 2. I would find the postorius UI much easier to cope with if the default template was 'populated' into the UI wherever it was non-blank, rather than the UI starting off as if no templates were defined at all. Regards, Ruth

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Unable to remove non-member
by Brian Carpenter Sept. 29, 2020

Sept. 29, 2020

Hi Everyone, I ran across a strange issue today. A client reported the inability to remove a non-member in the following format: z_email/domain.org.za(a)domain.org.za The reported error from Postorius was: "The user could not be removed" I used https://verifalia.com/validate-email to validate the email address and it is syntactically correct. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Discard all mail with the subject "The resutls of your email commands"
by w.schoener＠alp.dillingen.de Sept. 29, 2020

Sept. 29, 2020

Hello, I am using mailman 3.2.1 for several mailing lists. My colleagues want me to stop all mails with the subject "The results of your email commands". I found some contributions here, but nowhere a solution for this question. Does anybody has any suggestion? Maybe I could try to handle this outside of mailman, but then I would have to pass this task on to someone I dont know .... :-( Thanks for all hints. :-) Wolfgang

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New releases
by Abhilash Raj Sept. 25, 2020

Sept. 25, 2020

Hi Everyone, I am pleased to announce new stable releases for: - Postorius: 1.3.3 Changelog: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#id1 Download: https://pypi.org/project/postorius/1.3.3/ - Hyperkitty: 1.3.3 Changelog: https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html#id1 Download: https://pypi.org/project/HyperKitty/1.3.3rc1/ - Mailmanclient: 3.3.1 Changelog: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… Download: https://pypi.org/project/mailmanclient/3.3.1/ - Django-mailman3: 1.3.3 Changelog: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst Download: https://pypi.org/project/django-mailman3/1.3.3 Python 3.6+ and Django 2.0+ is supported for all of them. Django 3.0 support for Hyperkitty requires manually upgrading a dependency (django-haystack>=3.0b2, once a stable version of this has been released, it shouldn't require manually upgrading). There are tons of bug-fixes across the board and some new features. Biggest visible change is switch to Bootstrap 4, which has been long pending for us. Bootstrap 4 completely changes the CSS grid model using the new Flexbox. There might be some small changes or breakages when using on mobile. Please report such issues to us via Gitlab! Some other notable changes are in Postorius, which includes many more list settings exposed include content filtering settings, bounce processing (which was added in the previous release of Mailman Core) settings and some other ones. Settings page is also slightly different with all the sections on the vertical menu on left instead of horizontal tabs. You can now also specify a reason when rejecting held messages. There was also a gnarly bug, which caused the name of some members to be the string "None". For the longest time, I couldn't figure out the reason for it, but it ended up being a simple fix in mailmanclient's json serialization of display_name, which would result in Python's None value being passed as string "None" to Mailman's API for subscription. There is also better support for filtering visible lists based on the current vhost, which I see a few people are already waiting for from mailman-users list. A full changelog has been added to each project in the top. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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My Server is unable to connect to Mailman REST API few times
by Shashikanth Komandoor Sept. 24, 2020

Sept. 24, 2020

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.7 version with default values in production environment from the past 4 months almost. As of now, we are having around 1327 lists created on this. When I am trying to do some operations like creating the lists, deleting the lists or accessing the lists through the GUI, I am getting the below error. If I am trying to do the operations through API or through mailman shell, still I am not able to connect to the API. Something went wrong Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. But my mailman core was working fine in the background. At the same time I was able to do other operations on a few other lists. By the time I am getting the above error, the mailman.log recorded the below messages. *[2020-09-16 12:49:08 +0530] [2600] [CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT (pid:20234)* *[2020-09-16 12:49:08 +0530] [20234] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 20234)* *[2020-09-16 12:49:09 +0530] [21042] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 21042* My mailman.cfg configuration is as below. The timeout value is the default value. I did not set any customized value. *(venv3) [root@lsmgr mailman]# grep -v ^# /var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg* *[archiver.hyperkitty]* *class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver* *enable: yes* *configuration: /var/lib/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg* *[mta]* *incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP* *outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver* *lmtp_host: 0.0.0.0* *lmtp_port: 8024* *smtp_host: localhost* *smtp_port: 25* *[webservice]* *workers: 10* *[database]* *class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase* *url: postgres://<postgresdbuser>:<postgresdbpassword>@127.0.0.1/mailman <http://127.0.0.1/mailman>* Then as per the suggestion I got earlier I configured the [webservice] section in the above file as below. *[webservice]* *configuration: /var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/etc/gunicorn.cfg* * [root@lsmgr logs]# cat /var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/etc/gunicorn.cfg* *[gunicorn]* *workers = 10* *timeout = 90 * After the above configuration, I found many errors like below in mailman.log file: *sqlalchemy.exc.NoSuchColumnError: "Could not locate column in row for column 'pended.id <http://pended.id>'"* *sqlalchemy.exc.ResourceClosedError: This result object does not return rows. It has been closed automatically.* *sqlalchemy.exc.DatabaseError: (psycopg2.DatabaseError) error with status PGRES_TUPLES_OK and no message from the libpq* The above might be few of the errors. FYI, for the creation of each list, it is taking almost around 15 to 20 minutes. After multiple times of the above error messages, at some time, I am fortunately getting the list created or some other operation getting done. I found the same scenario when the workers are from default 2 to 10. I don't understand where exactly I need to focus to solve the issue. Please let me know if I have to share any other details for you to suggest to me. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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including a template failed
by Wolfgang Bock Sept. 24, 2020

Sept. 24, 2020

Hi, I created a new mailinglist and got during the test-process the following errormessage in my mailman.log after: ... Sep 19 22:55:08 2020 (1433) ACCEPT: <000001d68ec7$2553e6e0$6ffbb4a0$(a)domain-01.de> Errors: Sep 19 22:55:09 2020 (1436) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 HTTPSConnectionPool(host='webmail.domain-02.de', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/mylist.lists.domain-03.de/list:member :regular:footer (Caused by NewConnectionError('<urllib3.connec tion.VerifiedHTTPSConnection object at 0x7fc8380f1748>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno -2] Name or service not known')) ... domain02.de isn't involved in mailman3 either as a user domain nor as a list-domain. After deleting the template mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/mylist.lists.domain-03.de/list:member: regular:footer the mail to the list is processed without problems: Sep 19 22:56:22 2020 (1436) <000001d68ec7$2553e6e0$6ffbb4a0$(a)domain-01.de> smtp to mylist(a)list.domain-03.de for 1 recips, completed in 0.21389174461364746 seconds Sep 19 22:56:22 2020 (1436) <000001d68ec7$2553e6e0$6ffbb4a0$(a)wbock.de> post to mylist(a)list.domain-03.de from user(a)domain-01.de, 1331 bytes Please help to solve this problem? Thanks and regards Wolfgang

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Missing whitespace in postfix_vmap after mailman genaliases
by Wolfgang Bock Sept. 23, 2020

Sept. 23, 2020

Hi, after creating a new list I got the following errormessage: mailman aliases -> postmap: warning: /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_vmap, line 17: expected format: key whitespace value /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_vmap # AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED BY MAILMAN ON 2020-09-19 07:44:34 .... xxxxxxxxxxx(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-bounces(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-bounces(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-confirm(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-confirm(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-join(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-join(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-leave(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-leave(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-owner(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-owner(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-request(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-request(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-subscribe(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-subscribe(a)xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de xxxxxxxxxxx-unsubscribe@lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.dexxxxxxxxxxx-unsubscribe@xxx xxxxxxxxxx.de The last line in the left part contains 48 chars. I solved the problem by adding a whitespace in the last line and I made a new postmap for postfix_vmap. But it would be better to solve the problem by changing the genaliases process in the next update. Regards Wolfgang

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Re: cc'd e-mail addresses rewritten with @invalid.domain
by Williams, Peter B Sept. 23, 2020

Sept. 23, 2020

Hi Mark, Thanks for the help with this! Other list members will also see the e-mail as coming from user(a)invalid.domain<mailto:user@invalid.domain>. I will continue testing the other scenarios and will reply back as soon as possible. Thanks again for the help with this and have a nice day! Peter On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:00 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 9/21/20 10:49 AM, peterbw(a)gmail.com<mailto:peterbw@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > We've recently noticed an issue where users who are cc'd in a message where a mailing list is also within the cc list are getting rewritten a user(a)invalid.domain. > > This issue looks like it may be related to Outlook and how user names are displayed specifically. Here is an example: > > To: test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> > cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>; Williams, Peter; > > "Williams, Peter" maps to a user e-mail in the Outlook Global Address book. When the message is sent the list will send the message with the first name and last name separated, for example the message will appear: > > to: test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> > cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>, Williams(a)invalid.domain, Peter(a)invalid.domain Because apparently Outlook is sending the message with the literal > Cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>; Williams, Peter; instead of something like > Cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>, "Williams, Peter" <peters_real_address(a)example.com<mailto:peters_real_address@example.com>> Then some MTA in the chain is seeing the unqualified addresses Williams and Peter and appending its own local domain. > This only seems to happen with users who are cc'd who are also members of the list that is being cc'd. For example in the scenario above my e-mail that is cc'd is also a member of listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>. In this case, where do you see this? i.e., do other list members see it in the message they receive from the list? I don't know why that would be. I'm certain that Mailman is not involved in this and the Williams(a)invalid.domain and Peter(a)invalid.domain addresses are in the Cc: as received by Mailman. > This issue does not occur if the user e-mail address is listed before the mailing list in the cc field. So for example, if the cc in the scenario above contained Williams, Peter; listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>; it would route properly. Again, I think this is Outlook. What's in the Cc: of the mail that test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> receives directly? What happens if you send mail in this way with To: test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> cc: other_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:other_user@gmail.com>; Williams, Peter; Again, what's in the Cc: of the mail that test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> and other_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:other_user@gmail.com> receive? Also, please see <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20is%20not%20Listserv>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net<mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

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Mails are not archived at all -- how to check if Hyperkitty is running or not?
by Franklin Weng Sept. 23, 2020

Sept. 23, 2020

Hi, I set up the mailman3 services and lists, and we can send mail to the list successfully. However in the Archive section I couldn't see anything and all the lists were "inactive" and hence were hidden by default. I confirmed that api_key set in the /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py is the same. I also confirmed that the apache2 wsgi module has been loaded. In the mailman.cfg database is set to mysql and in the mailman-web.py database is set to sqlite3. Does it matter? I tried to search but couldn't find any further information or discussion about this. There is no systemd service for Hyperkitty. How can I check if Hyperkitty is running or not? Thanks, Franklin

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API timeout for one list
by Seth Seeger Sept. 23, 2020

Sept. 23, 2020

I apologize, because I think this was talked about before, but I could not find it in the archives. For one list, the REST API times out. Doesn’t seem to matter which page I try to go to. The uwsgi-error.log entry: --- Logging error --- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner return func(*args, **kwargs) psycopg2.ProgrammingError: no results to fetch The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 332, in pusher task_set = broker.dequeue() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/brokers/orm.py", line 67, in dequeue if tasks: File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 278, in __bool__ self._fetch_all() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1242, in _fetch_all self._result_cache = list(self._iterable_class(self)) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 55, in __iter__ results = compiler.execute_sql(chunked_fetch=self.chunked_fetch, chunk_size=self.chunk_size) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1175, in execute_sql return list(result) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1554, in cursor_iter for rows in iter((lambda: cursor.fetchmany(itersize)), sentinel): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1554, in <lambda> for rows in iter((lambda: cursor.fetchmany(itersize)), sentinel): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner return func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 89, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner return func(*args, **kwargs) django.db.utils.ProgrammingError: no results to fetch During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", line 1081, in emit msg = self.format(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", line 925, in format return fmt.format(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", line 664, in format record.message = record.getMessage() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", line 369, in getMessage msg = msg % self.args TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting Call stack: File "./manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 381, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 375, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 323, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 364, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/management/commands/qcluster.py", line 22, in handle q.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 67, in start self.sentinel.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 121, in start self._popen = self._Popen(self) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/context.py", line 224, in _Popen return _default_context.get_context().Process._Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/context.py", line 277, in _Popen return Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 19, in __init__ self._launch(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 75, in _launch code = process_obj._bootstrap(parent_sentinel=child_r) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 315, in _bootstrap self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 108, in run self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 157, in __init__ self.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 162, in start self.guard() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 268, in guard self.reincarnate(self.pusher) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 210, in reincarnate self.pusher = self.spawn_pusher() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 190, in spawn_pusher return self.spawn_process(pusher, self.task_queue, self.event_out, self.broker) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 186, in spawn_process p.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 121, in start self._popen = self._Popen(self) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/context.py", line 224, in _Popen return _default_context.get_context().Process._Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/context.py", line 277, in _Popen return Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 19, in __init__ self._launch(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 75, in _launch code = process_obj._bootstrap(parent_sentinel=child_r) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 315, in _bootstrap self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/multiprocessing/process.py", line 108, in run self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 334, in pusher logger.error(e, traceback.format_exc()) Message: ProgrammingError('no results to fetch') Arguments: ('Traceback (most recent call last):\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner\n return func(*args, **kwargs)\npsycopg2.ProgrammingError: no results to fetch\n \nThe above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:\n\nTraceback (most recent call last):\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 332, in pusher\n task_set = bro ker.dequeue()\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/brokers/orm.py", line 67, in dequeue\n if tasks:\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 278, in __bool__\n self._fetch_all()\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1242, in _fetch_all\n self._result_cache = list(self._iterable_class(self))\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packa ges/django/db/models/query.py", line 55, in __iter__\n results = compiler.execute_sql(chunked_fetch=self.chunked_fetch, chunk_size=self.chunk_size)\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sq l/compiler.py", line 1175, in execute_sql\n return list(result)\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1554, in cursor_iter\n for rows in iter((lambda: cursor.fetc hmany(itersize)), sentinel):\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1554, in <lambda>\n for rows in iter((lambda: cursor.fetchmany(itersize)), sentinel):\n File "/us r/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner\n return func(*args, **kwargs)\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 89, in __exit__\n raise dj_exc_value.w ith_traceback(traceback) from exc_value\n File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 96, in inner\n return func(*args, **kwargs)\ndjango.db.utils.ProgrammingError: no results to fetch\n' ,) The other lists work fine. Thank you, Seth

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The message is larger than the 40 KB maximum size
by Mohsen Masoudfar Sept. 22, 2020

Sept. 22, 2020

Hi, I am trying to find how I may change this. I have an attachment of 800 KB, and when I post it to the list, I do not get any response and nothing is hold. It looks like the message is just dropped. Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

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Problem with list creation
by Pawel Grzywaczewski Sept. 22, 2020

Sept. 22, 2020

Hi, We want to create thousand of lists. We use a simple curl command curl --user restadmin:restpass -X POST http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists -d fqdn_listname=nameOfTheList(a)example.com After creating ~2k of them we started getting errors in Mailman logs: ``` [2020-09-16 17:11:10 +0200] [4564] [DEBUG] POST /3.1/lists [2020-09-16 17:11:41 +0200] [1339] [CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT (pid:4564) [2020-09-16 17:11:41 +0200] [4564] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 4564) [2020-09-16 17:11:41 +0200] [5019] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 5019 ``` Since then creation fails in most cases. We increased timeout in mailman.cfg ``` [gunicorn] workers: 4 timeout: 900 ``` And we increased timeout in nginx ``` http { # MODIF UNICORN proxy_connect_timeout 300s; proxy_read_timeout 300s; # MODIF UNICORN ``` Where might be the problem? How to start investigating and fix it? Thanks, Paweł

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cc'd e-mail addresses rewritten with @invalid.domain
by peterbw＠gmail.com Sept. 22, 2020

Sept. 22, 2020

Hi, We've recently noticed an issue where users who are cc'd in a message where a mailing list is also within the cc list are getting rewritten a user(a)invalid.domain. This issue looks like it may be related to Outlook and how user names are displayed specifically. Here is an example: To: test_user(a)gmail.com cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org; Williams, Peter; "Williams, Peter" maps to a user e-mail in the Outlook Global Address book. When the message is sent the list will send the message with the first name and last name separated, for example the message will appear: to: test_user(a)gmail.com cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org, Williams(a)invalid.domain, Peter(a)invalid.domain This only seems to happen with users who are cc'd who are also members of the list that is being cc'd. For example in the scenario above my e-mail that is cc'd is also a member of listserv(a)lists.test.org. This issue does not occur if the user e-mail address is listed before the mailing list in the cc field. So for example, if the cc in the scenario above contained Williams, Peter; listserv(a)lists.test.org; it would route properly. Do you know what may be causing this? Please let me know if there is any additional information I may provide regarding this and I will try to respond as soon as possible. Thanks and have a nice day! Peter

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Template path
by Seth Seeger Sept. 21, 2020

Sept. 21, 2020

Hello everyone, I’m running Mailman from Docker containers, without much customization. (Postorius 1.3.3, Core 3.3.1, API 3.1, Python 3.8.5). I’ve created a list:user:notice:welcome template, and when I try to confirm a subscription, I get an error. I followed previous emails on this list which told me to set POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py, but that doesn’t seem to make any difference. (I set it to a different value and the error message didn’t change. I also tried setting it in /opt/mailman/core/settings_local.py to no effect. After each change, I restarted mailman-web and mailman-core containers.) From within mailman-web and mailman-core containers, I can reach “mailman-web:8000”. In the webpage, I see: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. In /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/mailman.log, I get: [17/Sep/2020:16:23:29 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/xxx.example.com HTTP/1.1" 200 416 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" Sep 17 16:23:35 2020 (48) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 426, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 421, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 268, in _read_status line = str(self.fp.readline(_MAXLINE + 1), "iso-8859-1") File "/usr/lib/python3.8/socket.py", line 669, in readinto return self._sock.recv_into(b) socket.timeout: timed out During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 439, in send resp = conn.urlopen( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 724, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 403, in increment raise six.reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/packages/six.py", line 735, in reraise raise value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 670, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 428, in _make_request self._raise_timeout(err=e, url=url, timeout_value=read_timeout) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 335, in _raise_timeout raise ReadTimeoutError( urllib3.exceptions.ReadTimeoutError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 332, in _step_do_subscription self.member = self.mlist.subscribe( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 505, in subscribe notify(SubscriptionEvent( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/event/__init__.py", line 32, in notify subscriber(event) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/membership.py", line 176, in handle_SubscriptionEvent send_welcome_message(mlist, member, member.preferred_language) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/notifications.py", line 51, in send_welcome_message welcome_message = wrap(getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 188, in get contents = getUtility(ITemplateManager).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 110, in get contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 38, in get response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 76, in get return request('get', url, params=params, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 61, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 530, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 643, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 529, in send raise ReadTimeout(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) [2020-09-17 16:23:35 +0000] [48] [ERROR] Socket error processing request. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 426, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 421, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 268, in _read_status line = str(self.fp.readline(_MAXLINE + 1), "iso-8859-1") File "/usr/lib/python3.8/socket.py", line 669, in readinto return self._sock.recv_into(b) socket.timeout: timed out Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 439, in send resp = conn.urlopen( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 724, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 403, in increment raise six.reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/packages/six.py", line 735, in reraise raise value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 670, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 428, in _make_request self._raise_timeout(err=e, url=url, timeout_value=read_timeout) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 335, in _raise_timeout raise ReadTimeoutError( urllib3.exceptions.ReadTimeoutError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 135, in handle self.handle_request(listener, req, client, addr) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 191, in handle_request six.reraise(*sys.exc_info()) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/gunicorn/six.py", line 625, in reraise raise value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 176, in handle_request respiter = self.wsgi(environ, resp.start_response) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 193, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/falcon/api.py", line 269, in __call__ responder(req, resp, **params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rest/sub_moderation.py", line 88, in on_post self._registrar.confirm(self._token) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 559, in confirm list(workflow) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 332, in _step_do_subscription self.member = self.mlist.subscribe( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 505, in subscribe notify(SubscriptionEvent( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/event/__init__.py", line 32, in notify subscriber(event) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/membership.py", line 176, in handle_SubscriptionEvent send_welcome_message(mlist, member, member.preferred_language) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/notifications.py", line 51, in send_welcome_message welcome_message = wrap(getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 188, in get contents = getUtility(ITemplateManager).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 110, in get contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 38, in get response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 76, in get return request('get', url, params=params, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 61, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 530, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 643, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 529, in send raise ReadTimeout(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) What’s the next step to get templates working? Thank you, Seth

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Redundant and load balanced Mailman3
by Pawel Grzywaczewski Sept. 20, 2020

Sept. 20, 2020

Hi, Can someone share some hints about how to deploy redundant and load balanced Mailman3? What are your recommendations and best practices? For example what components to put on the same VM? Can we have 2VM with Mailman core/Postorious/Hyperkitty/django-mailman/mailmanclient connecting to one (the same) database? How to load balance mail routing (incoming)? Thanks! Paweł

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Bad Signature with Gmail
by Massimo Zappalà Sept. 19, 2020

Sept. 19, 2020

Hi everyone, if I write a my lists from other email address I get the correct message: opendkim[23516]: 8EEE440FFD: DKIM-Signature field added (s=mailselector, d=catania.linux.it). While if I write to a my lists from email address Gmail, on opendkim I get the following messages: opendkim[23516]: BA95241952: no signing table match for 'maszap69(a)gmail.com' opendkim[23516]: BA95241952: s=20161025 d=gmail.com SSL error:04091068:rsa routines:int_rsa_verify:bad signature opendkim[23516]: BA95241952: bad signature data The message is received regularly by all members of the list. I also receive an email at superuser: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive OperationalError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x98\\xB1\\xF0\\x9F...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") ... If I check with mail-tester I get 10/10 If I check with dmarcanalyzer I get "This seems to be a valid DKIM Record." I don't understand where the problem is. Could anyone tell me how to solve? Thank you in advance Max

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Can creating too many Django accounts crash Mailman3 server?
by Mohsen Masoudfar Sept. 19, 2020

Sept. 19, 2020

Hi, It seems anybody can go to the site: https://LISTSERVNAME/mailman3/postorius/lists/ and click on the [Sign up] on the top-right corner and create an account. This can easily be automated, even though the next step, confirming the email address, being ignored. I believe it can be used as a target for a DOS attack by creating so many accounts, that eventually causes an 'out of space' error. Is this a justified concern? Is there a way to manage this feature in a secure way? Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

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Office365 posts shunted (authres.core.SyntaxError)
by Bryan Loniewski Sept. 19, 2020

Sept. 19, 2020

Hi again -- Besides my compress issue described earlier today here: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… I've been dealing with another issue (and why I upgraded to the latest code) when posting messages to my test list from our schools Office365 infrastructure (OWA). The post gets shunted; mailman.log has the following error: Sep 11 11:29:44 2020 (31396) ACCEPT: <BL0PR14MB3681E636E905E9D34588C85088240(a)BL0PR14MB3681.namprd14.prod.outlook.com> Sep 11 11:29:45 2020 (31401) Uncaught runner exception: Syntax error: Expected "=" at: ; dmarc=none action=none header.from=o... Sep 11 11:29:45 2020 (31401) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 50, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 118, in process authenticate(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/utilities/retry.py", line 44, in f_retry return f(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 85, in authenticate prev = trusted_auth_res(msg) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 73, in trusted_auth_res authserv_id = AuthenticationResultsHeader.parse(header).authserv_id File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/__init__.py", line 206, in parse return authres.core.AuthenticationResultsHeader.parse(core_features(), string) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/core.py", line 442, in parse return self.parse_value(feature_context, string) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/core.py", line 454, in parse_value header._parse() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/core.py", line 517, in _parse result = self._parse_resinfo() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/core.py", line 550, in _parse_resinfo method, version, result = self._parse_methodspec() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/authres/core.py", line 573, in _parse_methodspec raise SyntaxError('Expected "="', self._parse_text) authres.core.SyntaxError: Syntax error: Expected "=" at: ; dmarc=none action=none header.from=o... Sep 11 11:29:45 2020 (31401) SHUNTING: 1599838185.4911082+9dde922f77a1d66e3511f2709ec4b436ab6a3ecc Debugging the issue further shows this header to be the problem: authentication-results: lists-test.rutgers.edu; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;lists-test.rutgers.edu; dmarc=none action=none header.from=oit.rutgers.edu; What is syntactically wrong with it and/or is it more than that? Note1: If I remove that header from a copy of the message and inject directly into Mailman it will deliver as expected. Note2: Posting messages from my personal Gmail account or cmdline mail program to the same test list will also deliver as expected. ________________________ Bryan Loniewski Rutgers University OIT:EAS:Messaging and Collaboration Services System Administrator

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Re-send subscription response and file permission error in queue
by accounts-mailman＠holbrook.no Sept. 15, 2020

Sept. 15, 2020

A user sent subscription request to the `..-join@` address of a list. Email domain wasn't set up properly, so response got rejected. Now, if the user tries to send another request, no reponse comes back. In the log I find a python stack trace saying subscription already pending. ``` Sep 08 10:32:44 2020 (19918) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/command.py", line 196, in _dispose mlist, msg, msgdata, parts, results) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/eml_membership.py", line 104, in process ISubscriptionManager(mlist).register(subscriber) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 520, in register list(workflow) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 227, in _step_sanity_checks raise SubscriptionPendingError(self.mlist, self.address.email) mailman.interfaces.subscriptions.SubscriptionPendingError ``` Furthermore I am getting a permission denied error in the attempt of shunting the message, which I don't quite understand because the folder has user `list` group `list` and `700` mode: ``` Sep 08 10:25:29 2020 (19918) SHUNTING: 1599553529.9889646+88be5afa0bf3111a83e68cc97ce2000723ad93fd Sep 08 10:29:49 2020 (19918) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/command/1599553789.306307+6fee74af69263553b5ffd0e73cc095ab651bd855.pck' Sep 08 10:29:49 2020 (19918) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 156, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/command/1599553789.306307+6fee74af69263553b5ffd0e73cc095ab651bd855.pck' ``` How can I remove the pending subscription, or re-send the response email? And what could be the cause of the permission error? Using mailman 3.1.1

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Held Message view, JSONDecodeError: Invalid control character
by mm3＠hovo.id.au Sept. 15, 2020

Sept. 15, 2020

I am running the Debian 10 mailman3 and mailman3-web packages with mariadb. I received an email to the list from an invoicing software and now I am unable to view or accept this email from the list. All other lists seem to be still working fine. I'm guessing there is a piece of data in my database that is corrupt or unable to be decoded, but I am at a loss on how to find and fix it. Any help would be greatly appreciated ``` Sep 11 12:29:23 2020 (11577) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/lists/redacted(a)redacted.com/held?count=0&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Sep 11 12:29:23 2020 (11577) REST request handler error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.7/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 216, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "falcon/api.py", line 215, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "falcon/api.py", line 189, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 160, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in _make_collection for resource in collection] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in <listcomp> for resource in collection] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 150, in _resource_as_dict resource = self._make_resource(request.id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 70, in _make_resource resource = super()._make_resource(request_id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 39, in _make_resource results = requests.get_request(request_id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/requests.py", line 120, in get_request result.data_hash, expunge=False) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/pending.py", line 142, in confirm value = json.loads(keyvalue.value) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/json/__init__.py", line 348, in loads return _default_decoder.decode(s) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/json/decoder.py", line 337, in decode obj, end = self.raw_decode(s, idx=_w(s, 0).end()) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/json/decoder.py", line 353, in raw_decode obj, end = self.scan_once(s, idx) json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Invalid control character at: line 1 column 21 (char 20) ```

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Mailman3 throws 500 error (unicode encode) when loading held messages in Postorius
by Simon Handfield Sept. 14, 2020

Sept. 14, 2020

Hi, I have been working through other threads that indicate the same symptom (500 error when loading held_messages for a list). These include potential truncation of values in pendedkeyvalue table (don't this is our problem) and error when trying to access a message in /var/lib/mailman3/messages (ran the suggested code to loop through the stored files but no error was thrown.) Environment: Ubuntu 18.04 mailman3/bionic,now 3.1.1-9 all [installed,automatic] mailman3-full/bionic,now 3.1.1-9 all [installed] mailman3-web/bionic,now 0+20170523-14 all [installed,automatic] python-django-mailman3/bionic,now 1.1.0-4 all [installed,automatic] python-mailmanclient/bionic,now 3.1.1-5 all [installed,automatic] python3-mailman-hyperkitty/bionic,now 1.1.0-4 all [installed,automatic] Error reported in log with debug enabled: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 214, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "falcon/api.py", line 215, in falcon.api.API.__call__ (falcon/api.c:2872) File "falcon/api.py", line 189, in falcon.api.API.__call__ (falcon/api.c:2419) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 167, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in _make_collection for resource in collection] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in <listcomp> for resource in collection] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 157, in _resource_as_dict resource = self._make_resource(request.id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 78, in _make_resource resource['msg'] = msg.as_string() File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 158, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 272, in _handle_multipart g.flatten(part, unixfrom=False, linesep=self._NL) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 243, in _handle_text msg.set_payload(payload, charset) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 315, in set_payload payload = payload.encode(charset.output_charset) UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 8-9: ordinal not in range(128) I'm sorry if this is a query that's answered already but I have not been able to find matching thread that seems to relate to my error. Thanks for any advice on where to look next. Cheers, Simon. _ [State Library of NSW]<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> Simon Handfield Desktop and Infrastructure Leader simon.handfield(a)sl.nsw.gov.au<mailto:simon.handfield@sl.nsw.gov.au> +61 2 9273 1535 Macquarie Street, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia www.sl.nsw.gov.au<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.

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How to set the original sender to the Reply-To?
by Marcel Pietschmann Sept. 12, 2020

Sept. 12, 2020

Hi everybody, I have a settings problem. Mailman adds the original sender to the Reply-To or Cc in the case where there's a reply to setting in force on the list. In my case, mailman sets the sender always to Cc. How can i change it? Greets Marcel My settings: Personalize = None Anonymous list = No Reply to list = No Munging DMARC = Munge the From: header with list adress

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Failed first login
by Massimo Zappalà Sept. 11, 2020

Sept. 11, 2020

Hi everyone, i installed mailman3-full on debian 10. During installation, it asks me to enter the admin user credentials. After configuration, I restart mailman3 and mailman3-web. When I try to log in for the first time by entering the admin credentials, a message warns me that the credentials are incorrect. I looked at the mailman logs, but I find nothing. It seems that it is a django authentication problem, because even in the django admin panel I can't log in. Looking at the mailman3web db, in the auth_user table, I see the admin user. How can I see why it does not accept the credentials? Thank you in advance

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Affinity and Empathy Are Now Available
by Brian Carpenter Sept. 11, 2020

Sept. 11, 2020

Dear Mailman 3 Users, We have launched Affinity and Empathy and they now are part of our shared and cloud Mailman 3 hosting services. Affinity replaces Postorius and Empathy replaces Hyperkitty. You can read more at https://mailmanhost.com Please email me off-list if you have any questions. Brian Carpenter Harmony Lists

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Messages disappearing into hole??
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Sept. 11, 2020

Sept. 11, 2020

Folks, I have been trying to set up a mailing list that is mostly for message distribution, so there is a single sender of messages and multiple receivers, but the receivers are moderated. I wouldn't mind receiver messages being explicitly rejected but that's not an issue for now. I looked around the interface and decided to set up the sender as a non-member, as that appeared to permit them to be "special" and outside of the normal access rules for the list. Before I did that I could send a message from this sender and that would be sent to me as list owner for moderation, so both incoming (from my mailserver) and outgoing (to it) can be completed. However, with a non-member who is auto-accepted the message is passed from my mailserver to mailman and then disappears. I cannot find anything in the logs to indicate what happened next. I have tried setting the default non-member policy to both 'hold' and 'default' with no change in that behaviour. The logs for the mailserver show the message being sent to mailman; mailman's "smtp.log" shows an LMTP message being received ok, and then nothing. Any ideas how to find out what is going on? I can share config if that helps but not sure what would be useful. As a side-issue, at one point I added a regex matching the sender address to the acceptable members list, but find that I cannot now delete it (using postorius): If I delete the field and Save, it returns on page refresh. Regards, Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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messages go to shunt queue
by Danil Smirnov Sept. 10, 2020

Sept. 10, 2020

Hi guys, I've faced weird Core behaviour after the last upgrade of the docker images. All the messages sent to a list now go straight to shunt queue with the following error in the logs: --- Sep 06 22:41:32 2020 (27) Uncaught runner exception: 0 Sep 06 22:41:32 2020 (27) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/runners/incoming.py", line 79, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, start_chain) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/core/chains.py", line 57, in process if link.rule.check(mlist, msg, msgdata): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 314, in check if maybe_mitigate(mlist, address): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 286, in maybe_mitigate answer = is_reject_or_quarantine( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 217, in is_reject_or_quarantine for record in txt_rec.items[0].strings) KeyError: 0 Sep 06 22:41:32 2020 (27) SHUNTING: 1599432092.4326646+4cbb58a0dd5d9705946ca583835e63ec175536e3 I'm witnessing the same behaviour in two different installations for all the messages sent to list (with plain text body like "it's a test"). --- Any insight would be greatly appreciated! Danil Smirnov

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Please help: Mailaman3 -
by Jane Anara Sept. 6, 2020

Sept. 6, 2020

Hello everyone, I hope my questions don't sound ridiculous. In my team, I have been tasked with moving our mailman installations from version 1:2.1 to the current version, mailman3. I followed the documentations online and installed all the components, created a Django project and configured settings.py and url.py. However, when I run the development server, I receive the following on the body of Postorius main page: Page not found This page either doesn't exist, or it moved somewhere else. Clicking on the "Lists" menu link, I receive the following: HTTP Error 404: <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge"> <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1"> <title>example.com</title> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/django-mailman3/css/main.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/css/style.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/libs/fonts/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css" type="text/css" media="all" />    </head> <body> <nav class="navbar navbar-expand-md navbar-light bg-light navbar-default"> <div class="container"> <div class="navbar-header"> <button type="button" class="navbar-toggler collapsed" data-toggle="collapse" data-target="#header-nav" aria-expanded="false"> <span class="sr-only">Toggle navigation</span> <span class="fa fa-bars"></span> </button> <a class="navbar-brand" href="/mailman3/lists/"><span><img src="/static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png" alt="Mailman logo"/> Postorius</span></a> </div> <div class="collapse navbar-collapse" id="header-nav"> <ul class="nav navbar-nav mr-auto"> <li class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/" class="nav-link"> <span class="fa fa-envelope"></span> Lists </a></li> <li class="nav-item"><a href="/archives/" class="nav-link"> <span class="fa fa-comment"></span> Archives </a></li> </ul> <ul class="nav navbar-nav navbar-right"> <li class="nav-item"><a class="nav-link" href="/accounts/login/?next=/3.1/lists"> <span class="fa fa-sign-in"></span> Login </a></li> <li class="nav-item"><a class="nav-link" href="/accounts/signup/?next=/3.1/lists"> <span class="fa fa-user-plus"></span> Sign Up </a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> <div class="container" role="main"> <h1>Page not found</h1> <div class="alert alert-danger">This page either doesn't exist, or it moved somewhere else.</div> </div> <footer class="footer"> <div class="container"> <p class="text-center"> <a href="https://postorius.readthedocs.org">Postorius Documentation</a> • <a href="http://list.org">GNU Mailman</a> • Postorius Version 1.3.3 • Happy Mailman Day! </p> </div> </footer> <script src="/static/postorius/libs/jquery/jquery-1.11.3.min.js"></script> <script src="https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/popper.js/1.11.0/umd/popper.min.js" integrity="sha384-b/U6ypiBEHpOf/4+1nzFpr53nxSS+GLCkfwBdFNTxtclqqenISfwAzpKaMNFNmj4" crossorigin="anonymous"></script> <script src="/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/js/bootstrap.min.js"></script> <script src="/static/django-mailman3/js/main.js"></script> <script src="/static/postorius/js/script.js"></script> </body> </html> So far, the Postorious component is where there seem to be issues, all other link or component produce no errors thus far. Please advice on how I can troubleshoot this. I herein include the relevant sessions of my settings.py file and url.py which I have tweaked with various configurations to no avail. settings.py: # Application definition INSTALLED_APPS = [ # Apps added for mailman components 'hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'mailmanclient', # Other useful apps 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', # end other useful apps 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', ] url.py: urlpatterns = [ #Django admin path('admin/', admin.site.urls), path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), path('archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), path('', include('django_mailman3.urls')), path('accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), #path('postorius', include('postorius.urls')), #path('lists/', list_index), path('search/', include('haystack.urls')), #url(r'^$', list_index), ] Note that when I uncomment the lines relating to list_index or use configurations similar to that on mailman-suit, I get: NameError: name 'list_index' is not defined. Looking forward to any help anyone can render. Thank you! Regards, Jane.

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Struggling with log rotation in Docker context
by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie Sept. 5, 2020

Sept. 5, 2020

I'm running Mailman 3 via maxking's Docker implementation, and had an incident recently where something went badly wrong, and the file uwsgi-error.log filled up. As a consequence, so did the file system where that file resides,and things ground to a halt. The file is visible on the Docker host as /opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log. I am unsure about how to rotate this file correctly. I could use logrotate on the host, but I can't locate any documentation that describes how to signal the relevant processes inside the mailman-web container. (Maybe this should be done within the container?) I'd be grateful for any good advice on this. Stephen

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mailman procesing small amount of mail, then stop process them like 30 seconds, and then loop back
by mathias.bedu＠epitech.eu Sept. 4, 2020

Sept. 4, 2020

Hi, I am currently trying to optimize my mailman installation, which is working. The only issue is that i see that mailman seems to process a few number of messages (around 50 each times), then stopping, and then processing few next messages. I spend quite some times searching for eventual parameters that could slow down. I precise that the machine itself is largely more powerful than what mailman is using. So my question is : could you give me some leads for potentials parameters or stuff like this that i could modify to optimize the installation ? Best regards, Mathias

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Unsubscribe Notifications Clarification
by Brian Carpenter Sept. 3, 2020

Sept. 3, 2020

I am trying to understand how Mailman 3 handles unsubscribe notifications. From my testing I see the following behavior: 1. If list member sends email to listname-leave@listname, an unsubscribe notification is sent to both list owner and list member if list settings have them enabled. 2. If list list member is a registered user of Postorius and he uses Postorius to unsubscribe, then no notification is sent out to either list owner or list member, even if list settings has unsubscribe notifications enabled. Is this correct? Brian

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adding imprint / private policy link to postorius
by Thomas Stein Sept. 3, 2020

Sept. 3, 2020

Hello one and all. Is it possible to add an imprint link to the postorius start page? I guess it is, but it would be nice if someone could me point to the right direction / documentation. Something like they have: https://lists.openrailwaymap.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ cheers, t.

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