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WebFrontend language not working
by c.buhtz＠posteo.jp 06 Jun '22

06 Jun '22

Hello, I am using mailman3 as list owner on python.org. The web-frontend shows me everything in "German" which is my native language (in OS, Browser, GeoIP). But I want it in English. in my "Global Mailman-Settings" the "Preferred Language ( "Bevorzugte Sprache" ) is set to "English (USA)". But it seems to me that this doesn't affect the WebFront end. How can set the WebFront end to English? Kind Christian

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Migrating from mailman-suite to mailman-web
by Andrew Hodgson 04 Jun '22

04 Jun '22

Hi. Any pointers in migrating from Mailman-suite to Mailman-web? I'm interested specifically in configuration changes required to Gunicorn in order to bring up the Django project using Mailman-web. Thanks. Andrew.

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Lost in default style creation
by kenneth.karlsson＠eco.cept.org 02 Jun '22

02 Jun '22

Hi all I have installed a brandnew server - ubuntu 21.10, mailman3 version 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) I want to set some default settings to all new lists, as we are creating them through API from another system, i do this (snipped straight from the shell) : >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyleManager >>> manager = getUtility(IStyleManager) >>> from zope.interface import implementer >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyle >>> @implementer(IStyle) ... class EcoStyle: ... name = 'ECOstyle' ... description = 'ECO mailing list style.' ... def apply(self, ml): ... ml.dmarc_mitigate_action = 'munge_from' ... ml.dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally = 'True' ... ml.send_welcome_message = 'True' ... ml.subject_prefix = '' ... ml.subscription_policy = 'moderate' ... ml.max_message_size = '0' ... >>> manager.register(EcoStyle()) >>> commit() No error all seem good, i then do this to confirm the style is there: >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyleManager >>> manager = getUtility(IStyleManager) >>> >>> for style in manager.styles: ... print(style.name) ... ECOstyle legacy-announce legacy-default private-default It shows me its there, then i proceed to quit() and go back in to the shell, and do this: >>> quit() ecoadmin@list01:/etc/mailman3$ sudo mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyleManager >>> manager = getUtility(IStyleManager) >>> >>> for style in manager.styles: ... print(style.name) ... legacy-announce legacy-default private-default >>> and now my newly created style is gone again ? What am i missing here ? Kind regards Kenneth Karlsson

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Re: use_https not being honored?
by Kiernan, Sean P. (MSFC-IS90)[EAST2] 01 Jun '22

01 Jun '22

Thanks for the quick reply Steve, much appreciated. I'll take a look on the gunicorn side.

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use_https not being honored?
by sean.p.kiernan＠nasa.gov 01 Jun '22

01 Jun '22

Using Mailman core 3.3.5, and Mailman API 3.1, I have use_https: yes set in my mailman.cfg so that I can use https for calls to the API, however even in mailman.log, it still says it is using http: [2022-06-01 09:35:54 -0500] [959009] [INFO] Starting gunicorn 20.1.0 [2022-06-01 09:35:54 -0500] [959009] [INFO] Listening at: http://hostname:8001 (959009) GET and POST requests work fine if I use http, but fail when trying to use https. I have a certificate being used by our Mailman installation, so is there some additional config not mentioned in the docs to enable use of the API over https? I've only recently started using Mailman so if there are additional logs or system information I need to help with this?

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Moderation request email from a non existing user
by David Lopez 01 Jun '22

01 Jun '22

Every day mailman (MM 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer)) sends me an email with a held unsubcription request from X user. This user is not subcribed to that list anymore but every day an email is sending to the list owner. On the web interface there's nothing pending for approval or similar. Is there anyway to avoid receiving this anoyning email every day? Thanks in advance. David

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hi, how to deal with arc with using mailman+exim4?
by 朱超 26 May '22

26 May '22

hi, how to deal with arc with using mailman+exim4? Thanks for your suggestion.

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Trouble in Debian11 after import mailman2 archive
by qro＠xs4all.nl 25 May '22

25 May '22

Hi I am struggling with Mainman3 to get it running on Debian11 On a clean VPS I have up and running Apache, mysql and postfix Also the installation mailman3 went fine for the mailman3-full package Then I setup mailman3-web via dpkg-reconfigure mailman3-web, modify in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY. In mailman.config add the [archiver.hyperkitty] things At this point I made a clone for the VPS. On clone 1 I import a mailman2 list: mailman create test(a)xxx.nl mailman import21 test@xxx /peter/mailman/lists/test/config.pck /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py hyperkitty_import -l test(a)xxx.nl /peter/mailman/archives/private/test.mbox/test.mbox /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py update_index So far so good. I can access the list and its config via the web page,see 1 subscriber (me :-) and can walk though the archive. But when I send an email to the list, its not resend or archived A snip from log files: /var/log/mail.log May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/smtpd[1614]: connect from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.170] May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/smtpd[1614]: 8ECFF80BF9: client=ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.170] May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/cleanup[1616]: 8ECFF80BF9: message-id=<d89bf2f7-1519-9e0a-eb41-9211ff6f6a24(a)xs4all.nl> May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/qmgr[1510]: 8ECFF80BF9: from=<peter(a)xxxl.nl>, size=23317, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/smtpd[1614]: disconnect from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.170] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/lmtp[1630]: 8ECFF80BF9: to=<test(a)xxx.net>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.23, delays=0.15/0.01/0/0.07, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) May 22 20:03:36 server postfix/qmgr[1510]: 8ECFF80BF9: removed /var/log/mailman3/smtp.log May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 46148) May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) handling connection May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) Data: b'LHLO server.xxx.net' May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<peter(a)xxx.nl>' May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) sender: peter(a)xxx.nl May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) Data: b'RCPT TO:<test(a)xxx.net>' May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) recip: test(a)xxx.net May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) Data: b'DATA' May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) Data: b'QUIT' May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) ('127.0.0.1', 46148) connection lost May 22 20:03:36 2022 (1359) Connection lost during _handle_client() Second attempt. There are no changes in Postfix or Mailman3! On clone 2 I did create a new list via the webpage/mailman3 This list is working fine. Does resend the message and add it tot the archive. The difference in the log between an imported list an new created is below the ----------- line /var/log/mail.log May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: connect from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.168] May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: 81A0FA0091: client=ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.168] May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/cleanup[1434]: 81A0FA0091: message-id=<7c7b1770-db6d-9fc8-5e84-d09315d31124(a)xs4all.nl> May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/qmgr[1355]: 81A0FA0091: from=<peter(a)xxx.nl>, size=6029, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: disconnect from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl[195.121.94.168] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/lmtp[1435]: 81A0FA0091: to=<test(a)xxx.net>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.18, delays=0.06/0.01/0/0.11, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) May 25 08:22:50 server postfix/qmgr[1355]: 81A0FA0091: removed ------------- May 25 08:22:52 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] May 25 08:22:52 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: ACE58A0091: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] May 25 08:22:52 server postfix/cleanup[1434]: ACE58A0091: message-id=<7c7b1770-db6d-9fc8-5e84-d09315d31124(a)xs4all.nl> May 25 08:22:52 server postfix/qmgr[1355]: ACE58A0091: from=<test-bounces(a)xxx.net>, size=7804, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 25 08:22:52 server postfix/smtpd[1430]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 May 25 08:22:53 server postfix/smtp[1437]: ACE58A0091: to=<peter(a)xxx.nl>, relay=mx.kpnmail.nl[195.121.65.158]:25, delay=0.33, delays=0/0.01/0.2/0.12, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as de93fca3-dc03-11ec-bee3-005056998415) May 25 08:22:53 server postfix/qmgr[1355]: ACE58A0091: removed /var/log/mailman3/smtp.log May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 54298) May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) handling connection May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) Data: b'LHLO server.xxx.net' May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<peter(a)xxx.nl>' May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) sender: peter(a)xxx.nl May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) Data: b'RCPT TO:<test(a)xxx.net>' May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) recip: test(a)xxx.net May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) Data: b'DATA' May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) Data: b'QUIT' May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) ('127.0.0.1', 54298) connection lost May 25 08:22:50 2022 (1361) Connection lost during _handle_client() ------------------- May 25 08:22:52 2022 (1363) <7c7b1770-db6d-9fc8-5e84-d09315d31124(a)xs4all.nl> smtp to test(a)xxx.net for 1 recips, completed in 0.0590972900390625 seconds May 25 08:22:52 2022 (1363) <7c7b1770-db6d-9fc8-5e84-d09315d31124(a)xs4all.nl> post to test(a)xxx.net from peter(a)xxx.nl, 6199 bytes Question: Where do I have to look/make changes so I can import the old archive and can send email to it? Greetings Peter

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How to authorise members visibility?
by Pierre Malard 25 May '22

25 May '22

Hello, My setup: - Debian 11 - Mailman3-full v 3.3.3-1 My Question: How to configure the visibility of a list of subscribers to a list? I created a list and set "subscriber visibility" to subscribers only. When I log in as such and try to view the list information, I can't see anywhere how to display that list. It's the same regardless of the setting used for this "subscriber visibility" field (only moderators, only subscribers or anyone). Is this normal? Is there something I misunderstood? Thank you in advance for your lights -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France « Il faut créer en même temps les élites et les débouchés, le syndica- lisme et les usines. Faire l'un sans l'autre, c'est travailler pour le malheur du peuple. » Romain Gary - "Les racines du ciel" |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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How to stop minutely mails about readme_renderer
by Axel Rau 22 May '22

22 May '22

Hi all, after fixing an exim issue (now getting cron messages), I’m spammed by these e-mails: - - - /usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/readme_renderer/markdown.py:44: UserWarning: Markdown renderers are not available. Install 'readme_renderer[md]' to enable Markdown rendering. warnings.warn(_EXTRA_WARNING) - - - I installed cmarkgfm 0.8.0 in my venv, but this did not help. Besides patching the source, what is the recommended solution for this? Thanks, Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

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Importing users and mas settings "Moderation Action"
by bob B 20 May '22

20 May '22

I imported email lists and users to version 3 from version 2. One of my lists all the users are set to 'Hold for moderation" for "Moderation Action". I assume this is because they were set to moderation on mailman 2? But if I mass subscribe users via the Gui in mailman 3 then their default "Moderation Action" is set to "none" so I assume it follows list default, is that a correct assumption? I believe there is no way to import mass users and set their "Moderation Action" at the same time is this correct? Wasn't that possible in mailman 2? is there a way to change all their user's "Moderation Action" for a list in bulk? So it looks like for any users I mass subscribe, "Moderation Action" will be set to "none" and if I want to change that I have to do it manually for each user?

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Manage Member(s) Mailman Settings / Display Names
by Jim Ward 18 May '22

18 May '22

Mailman2 allowed me to list my members and modify a number of their attributes (display_name, etc) Postorius is a beautiful interface BUT I am evidently not finding how to manage my members to the extent that I could in Mailman2 Am I missing something?

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best pratice - set default MM settings and make them update-save
by Stefan Bauer 17 May '22

17 May '22

Dear mailman-experts, we're running Mailman Core Version 3.3.5 Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.4 on Ubuntu 22 with a python venv. Until now, I modified several files manually to adjust mailmans behavior and have to check several boxes when new lists are created. Is this still the only way to go or are there ways i can make all this more update "save" and kind of default settings? a, I removed content of /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/templates/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt b, I set ... in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/styles/base.py mlist.default_member_action = Action.discard mlist.default_nonmember_action = Action.discard mlist.subscription_policy = SubscriptionPolicy.moderate mlist.send_welcome_message = False mlist.archive_policy = ArchivePolicy.never c, I always have to check the follwing manually in mailman web-interface on new lists: Settings-->List Idendity -> remove Subject Prefix Settings-->Message Acceptance -> accept immediately DMARC-Mitigation -> replace from ... unconditionally YES Thank you. Stefan

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Upgrade-path from Ubuntu18LTS to recent mailman release
by Stefan Bauer 15 May '22

15 May '22

Dear Users, we are very happy mailman3-users but suffer from very old packages in Ubuntu 18LTS. Unfortunately due to some python-restrictions¹, mailman3 is broken in Ubuntu20LTS and gone² in Ubuntu 22LTS, so we do not have any working upgrade-path :/ What do you recommend? Any help is greatly appreciated. thanks in advance. Stefan ¹ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman3/+bug/1877701 ² https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mailman3-full

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Can login at /admin, but cannot login at the account/login page.
by pabsta＠gmail.com 11 May '22

11 May '22

Hi All, thanks for your contibution to opensource softwares. I have done the installation walkthrough on the wiki page (thanks to Brian Carpenter) and I am almost there. I can run the three services and they provide the relevant web interfaces (admin, postorius, hyperkitty). In comparison to the walkthrough, I did two changes; First, I used different port numbers , as it would otherwise conflict with other services on the server. Second, I disabled the social accounts authentification mechanisms. I am still running on sqllite, as I am still testing things (one task at a time). Using my "superuser" credentials, I can log to the admin section in a fraction of a second. The server response time is less than one second. Once logged in, I can navigate through all the site as an authenticated user, including in the postorius pages related to list management. The services work normally. However, if logout and attempt to login from the postorius website, I get a « 502 bad gateway » error after roughly 30 seconds. The logs in Systemctl for gunicorn register a "DIGEST-MD5 common mech free" error message and the nginx error logs just show a connection drop: 2021/08/12 18:11:09 [error] 26026#26026: *31 upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream, client: [ip redacted], server: [domain redacted], request: "POST /accounts/login/ HTTP/2.0", upstream: "http://127.0.0.1:8006/accounts/login/", host: "[domain redacted]", referrer: "https://[domain redacted]/accounts/login/?next=/mailman3/lists/" Two additional clues may help understanding what is going on: 1- If I attempt to login with improper credentials, the services respond normally, and I get the expected red box with "invalid credentials" message on the postorius page. It is only when proper credentials are given that the connection fails. 2- If I attempt to register a new email adress, the services also fail to respond (although with no DIGEST-MD5 message registered). It thus seems to be a post "POST" problem, but what puzzles me is that it is not an issue for the admin page. Below the relevant sections of my settings.py page. The skipped ([...]) sections are as in the walkthrough files. In particular, the AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS, the EMAIL_BACKEND are as is and the "USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST" is still commented. ##Settings.py [...] # SECURITY WARNING: keep the secret key used in production secret! SECRET_KEY = '[redacted]' # SECURITY WARNING: don't run with debug turned on in production! DEBUG = False ADMINS = ( ('ME', 'my@email'), ) SITE_ID = 1 # Hosts/domain names that are valid for this site; required if DEBUG is False # See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#allowed-hosts ALLOWED_HOSTS = [ "localhost", # Archiving API from Mailman, keep it. "[domain]", # Add here all production URLs you may have. ] # Mailman API credentials MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8005' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '[redacted]' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '[redacted]' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '[redacted]' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('127.0.0.1', '::1') # Application definition INSTALLED_APPS = ( 'hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', # Uncomment the next line to enable the admin: 'django.contrib.admin', # Uncomment the next line to enable admin documentation: # 'django.contrib.admindocs', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', #'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.github', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.gitlab', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.google', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.facebook', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.twitter', #'allauth.socialaccount.providers.stackexchange', ) [...] # Database # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#databases DATABASES = { 'default': { # Use 'sqlite3', 'postgresql_psycopg2', 'mysql', 'sqlite3' or 'oracle'. 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.sqlite3', # DB name or path to database file if using sqlite3. 'NAME': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'mailmansuite.db'), # The following settings are not used with sqlite3: 'USER': 'XXX', 'PASSWORD': 'XXX', # HOST: empty for localhost through domain sockets or '127.0.0.1' for # localhost through TCP. 'HOST': '', # PORT: set to empty string for default. 'PORT': '', # OPTIONS: for mysql engine only, do not use with other engines. # 'OPTIONS': {'charset': 'utf8mb4'} # Enable utf8 4-byte encodings. } } [...] # Password validation # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.9/ref/settings/#auth-password-validators AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = [ { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.UserAttributeSimilarityValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.MinimumLengthValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.CommonPasswordValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.NumericPasswordValidator', }, ] # Internationalization # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/topics/i18n/ LANGUAGE_CODE = 'fr' TIME_ZONE = 'America/New_York' [...] # If you enable internal authentication, this is the address that the emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#default-from-email # DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = "mailing-lists(a)you-domain.org" DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'username@domain' # If you enable email reporting for error messages, this is where those emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#std:setting-SERVER_EMAIL # SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)your-domain.org' SERVER_EMAIL = 'username@domain' # Change this when you have a real email backend EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.console.EmailBackend' [...] # # Social auth # AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = ( 'django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend', ) # Django Allauth ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = "username_email" ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = "mandatory" # You probably want https in production, but this is a dev setup file ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = "https" ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True # # Asynchronous tasks # Q_CLUSTER = { 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'retry':360, 'orm': 'default', } [...] # Only display mailing-lists from the same virtual host as the webserver FILTER_VHOST = True POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8006' ## (End of settings.py) I'm happy to provide additional information if it can help. Best, Pier-André

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How can I remove anything added by Mailman 3 to the forwarded email
by gscaglia＠ksdata.it 09 May '22

09 May '22

I need to use Mailman 3 exclusively for forwarding emails to my customers divided by type. The emails must arrive exactly as they are, without any additions, and the lists are managed only by me: the customer ignores that he is subscribed to a list and receives the message as if it were one to one. How can I remove anything added by Mailman 3 to the forwarded message, therefore also the links for managing my membership (unsubscribe and modify)? Thanks a lot, Luca

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mailman3 not sending emails and archives not populating
by nyafum＠yahoo.com 07 May '22

07 May '22

Hi Mark Can you please help me resolve mailman3 issues? It was working well until recently and now no emails delivery to mailbox The first issue, not receiving email from my list, it gets removed in postfix /var/log/mailman3/smtp.log May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) handling connection May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) Data: b'LHLO rush.ai.net' May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<kim(a)kim.net>' May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) sender: kim(a)kim.net May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) Data: b'RCPT TO:<shiftchange@ kim.net >' May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) recip: shiftchange@ kim.net May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) Data: b'DATA' May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) Data: b'QUIT' May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) ('127.0.0.1', 50690) connection lost May 06 22:08:46 2022 (6713) Connection lost during _handle_client() /var/log/mail.log May 6 22:30:57 rush postfix/qmgr[1554]: C0401140119: from=< kim(a)kim.net >, size=459278, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 6 22:30:57 rush postfix/smtpd[3872]: disconnect from ex13-3.ai.net[205.134.169.66] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 bdat=1 quit=1 commands=7 May 6 22:30:58 rush postfix/lmtp[3897]: C0401140119: to=< shiftchange(a)kim.net >, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=1.3, delays=0.8/0.01/0.01/0.5, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) May 6 22:30:58 rush postfix/qmgr[1554]: C0401140119: removed I think the issue is with python3, below is my mailman.log /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log May 06 23:16:02 2022 (21149) in runner started. May 06 23:17:18 2022 (21149) Uncaught runner exception: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock' May 06 23:17:18 2022 (21149) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/incoming.py", line 79, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, start_chain) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/chains.py", line 79, in process link.function(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/chains/hold.py", line 147, in _process request_id = hold_message(mlist, msg, msgdata, SEMISPACE.join(reasons)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/moderator.py", line 88, in hold_message request_id = requestsdb.hold_request( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/requests.py", line 100, in hold_request token = getUtility(IPendings).add(pendable, timedelta(days=5000)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/pending.py", line 91, in add token = token_factory.new() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py", line 79, in new return self._next_unpredictable_id() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py", line 155, in _next_unpredictable_id x = random.random() + right_now % 1.0 + time.clock() % 1.0 AttributeError: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock' May 06 23:17:18 2022 (21149) SHUNTING: 1651893438.227104+1458f689c5f8220ef4db9f18bf3999e312675cd9 The other issue that I need help with is my archives to populate in Postorius(hyperkitty). Thanks in advance Kim

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Pb with archive display
by Pierre Malard 05 May '22

05 May '22

Hello, We have a fully installed mailman3 on our Debian 11 (mailman3-full 3.3.3-1). We imported our old mailman 2.1.29-1 lists with no real problems :-) On the other hand Mailman3 does not seem to take into account the display of the archives. The contributions are indeed in the directory "/var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool" but HyperKitty does not take them into account when displayed on the Web interface. Is this normal? -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France « La façon de donner vaut mieux que ce que l'on donne » Pierre Corneille (1606-1684) - Le menteur |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Spam in Hyperkitty archive
by Eggert Ehmke 04 May '22

04 May '22

I have my mail server set up with spamassassin/amavis that seems to work reasonable. One particular mailing list is open for non-members, so spam is to be expected. However, even spam to this mailing list that is filtered and moved to the quarantine folder, shows up in the archive! How can I set up the spam filter so that does not happen?

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add custom styles to postorius list creation menu
by Michael Hazan 03 May '22

03 May '22

Hello, When creating a list via postorius, i can see 3 style appear (announce, discussion, private). Is it possible to either create a new style and add it to that list or modify one of those style ? I’m using the virtual env setup and i have been trying to manipulate via the mailman-web shell but it doesn’t work when adding a new style. I need to delegate list creation to admins and I don’t want them to have to redo every list settings for every list they create when they are the same style. Also, coming from mailman2, you could directly set the members post moderation action when subscribing, now you can only do it via the user menu, is there a way to automate this in mm3 ? Thanks for the help. Michael

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Templates do not work
by Eggert Ehmke 03 May '22

03 May '22

I created some templates in Postorius to get personalized notifications when there are moderator requests. The notifications I get seem to be the standard texts. When I look into mailman/ mm/var/templates the directory is empty. Nevertheless, the templates I create in Postorius seem to be stored (where?), they just do not work.

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how to mass change users options ?
by Yvan ♞ 30 Apr '22

30 Apr '22

Hello, I transfered a mailing list from mailman to mailman 3, how can I change all users options in mass ? delivery status and receive own posting are blank by default (250 members is too long one by one..) Thanks. Yvan

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Question to add "alias" address in list by group
by Pierre Malard 28 Apr '22

28 Apr '22

Everithing is in the subject. We must add some (a lot) alias address for members and I don’t find any indications on doc to do that with « mailman » command. Is their a way? -- Pierre Malard « Il faut créer en même temps les élites et les débouchés, le syndica- lisme et les usines. Faire l'un sans l'autre, c'est travailler pour le malheur du peuple. » Romain Gary - "Les racines du ciel" |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Localization of auto-responses, question marks in welcome message
by Claus-Justus Heine 25 Apr '22

25 Apr '22

Hi, I know there are already some posts on this subject. From reading the following seems to be the state of the affair: * the list's language settings determines which localized template to use * the list-_servers_ default setting determines which language to use for the subject (so the subject's language is a "global" server configuration setting). Still, in my Ubuntu Impish Mailman 3.3.3 installation the welcome message is sent with charset us-ascii and contains question marks for any "special" -- i.e. non-ascii -- character. Can this be changed s.t. the welcome message is correctly displayed? Kind thanks Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

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Problems with shunted Mails
by Stephan Krinetzki 25 Apr '22

25 Apr '22

Hi all, we currently have a problem sending to an email list. The mailing list is an announcement list and is therefore moderated. The mail also arrives for moderation. However, when the mail is released, it is not delivered, but moved to the shunt queue. The error after an unshunt attempt in the log: Apr 19 12:31:43 2022 (17967) Uncaught runner exception: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'email' Apr 19 12:31:43 2022 (17967) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 176, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 269, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 50, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/member_recipients.py", line 84, in process for member in mlist.regular_members.members File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/member_recipients.py", line 85, in <genexpr> if member.delivery_status == DeliveryStatus.enabled) AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'email' Apr 19 12:31:43 2022 (17967) SHUNTING: 1650364303.8361175+08bb48ae877019e8a4c9dff8024c1270782fceb3 Any hints how we can solve the problem here?

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set a new default for max_message_size
by Paul Paulchen 24 Apr '22

24 Apr '22

Hi MM Community, I guess Mark can answer this question in a split second. We want another default than 40kb for the max_message_size. I know you can change it with the mailman shell or with postorius. But we want to skip this part an set the default to 4000kb for instance. I read about the max_message_size in this thread from 2020 https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… According to the answer of Mark you can change the "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/base.py" - mlist.max_message_size. Now time went by, is there a possibility to use the mailman.cfg to set a new default? Cheers and thanks in advance!

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How to delete large numbers of held messages
by lists＠g1fef.co.uk 22 Apr '22

22 Apr '22

We had a mail loop on one of our lists and ended up with over 51k messages in pending (held due to post not form a list member) Trying to delete them from the web UI will take forever, as the largest pagination you can view is 200 at a time. Tried to delete them from the Python interactive shell, but it looks like the API times out after a while. Is there another way to delete all these unwanted held posts? The problem comes after executing: <block> reqs = list(adminlist.held) </block> After a couple of minutes it comes back with: <block> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 699, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 445, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 440, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 276, in _read_status raise RemoteDisconnected("Remote end closed connection without" http.client.RemoteDisconnected: Remote end closed connection without response During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 439, in send resp = conn.urlopen( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 755, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 532, in increment raise six.reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/six.py", line 718, in reraise raise value.with_traceback(tb) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 699, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 445, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 440, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 276, in _read_status raise RemoteDisconnected("Remote end closed connection without" urllib3.exceptions.ProtocolError: ('Connection aborted.', RemoteDisconnected('Remote end closed connection without response')) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 107, in call response = request( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/api.py", line 61, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 542, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 655, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 498, in send raise ConnectionError(err, request=request) requests.exceptions.ConnectionError: ('Connection aborted.', RemoteDisconnected('Remote end closed connection without response')) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/mailinglist.py", line 123, in held response, content = self._connection.call( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 135, in call raise MailmanConnectionError( mailmanclient.restbase.connection.MailmanConnectionError: ('Could not connect to Mailman API: ', "ConnectionError(ProtocolError('Connection aborted.', RemoteDisconnected('Remote end closed connection without response')))") </block>

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Apple Mail encoding again
by David Newman 22 Apr '22

22 Apr '22

Starting a new thread because I don't know how to reply to this one from November 2021: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… A subscriber's post to a list bounced with a 501 bad encoding error. The subscriber uses Apple Mail on MacOS and PGP-signed his message. The earlier post above suggests the problem could be a bug in either Apple Mail encoding or python's smtp module. To rule out the smtp module, I sent a PGP-signed message using a different MUA (Thunderbird, in my case). Mailman3 accepted this post without complaint, and I reported back to list users that this appears to be an Apple Mail encoding issue. Normally, that'd be the end of it. But this is a list for a bunch of Internet graybeards, including one of the authors of the SMTP protocols and the subscriber is a former IETF chair. He's grumbling that if this really were an Apple Mail issue, wouldn't it be far more widespread? I don't think it would be, because (a) Mailman2 is still far more pervasive than Mailman3 and (b) the combination of PGP signing and Apple Mail on MacOS and Mailman3 is still pretty unusual. Has anyone else hit this encoding issue, other than the post above? And did Mailman2 silently accept this because it was less strict about checking for bad encoding? Thanks. dn

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About mailing list configuration problem
by liutianhua68＠163.com 20 Apr '22

20 Apr '22

Hello: I installed mailman3 through docker, and I created a mailing list for testing, which can subscribe, unsubscribe, receive emails, and send emails normally. Now there are two problems that have not been resolved. I would like to ask: 1. When a user subscribes, how to configure it like "lists.mailman3.org" to send a link to confirm the subscription instead of just replying to the confirmation email. 2. I used the mailling list I created to test the sending and receiving of emails, but I didn't see any historical messages in "Archives",Where is the configuration incorrect? And the url of my mailing list is "https://list.example.org/hyperkitty/list/" instead of "https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/", is this a problem? Also ask about the configuration, where to find the relevant documentation. thank you very much. liutianhua68(a)163.com

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Prometheus mailman_exporter
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook 19 Apr '22

19 Apr '22

Folks, I have recently been playing with Prometheus metrics, and having now coded a mailman3 Prometheus exporter in python I thought I'd mention here that it exists. It's not fancy and there is more to do. It works using the rest api. Source available at https://github.com/rivimey/mailman3_exporter Metrics exposed: 'mailman_up' (does the API /system/versions return http 200) and 'mailman_queues' (queue lengths for each queue, plus 'status' for the http status code of that query) Suggestions for other metrics would be interesting if accompanied with info on how to extract it. I'm currently contemplating including the number of 'to be moderated' messages. It would be possible to include the number of lists or domains but not sure it's useful enough to be worth the cost of fetching it. It is passed the api auth data separately. It would be better to read it from mm config: is there existing code I can call? Regards, Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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How to create my first mailing list
by liutianhua68＠163.com 19 Apr '22

19 Apr '22

Hello: I have installed mailman3 with docker, configured "MAILMAN_ADMIN" in docker-compose.yaml, but after logging into web with this user, there is nowhere to create mailing list. How should I create a super admin account now or where to create the first mailing list, is there any reference documentation, please help, thanks. liutianhua68(a)163.com

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MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY - 401 error
by Torsten R. 14 Apr '22

14 Apr '22

Hi together, I just updated one of my servers to Debian 11 and that also introduced mailman3 to the system as I was running mailman 2.1 for years before on that server. It took me a while to configure everything but I am convinced that I now have everything done properly. I am able to access the web interface of mailman3 (postorius) and also the archive (hyperkitty). I configured exim to deal with messages send to the lists. But when I try to send a message (as a member of a list) to a list I always get a 401 in mailman.log and the message that I should check if I provided MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY and if it is correct. So far, I can say that the key is the same in mailman-web.py (with single quotes) and mailman-hyperkitty.cfg (without quotes). in mailman-web.py I have: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'somesecretkeywithlotsofcharacters' and in mailman-hyperkitty I have this: api_key: somesecretkeywithlotsofcharacters I have some messages in $var_dir/archives/hyperkitty/spool but mailman qfile <messagefile> doesn't show anything that would catch my eye. So, maybe I need another pair of eyes that could take a look at my configs or someone that is turning me in the right direction and might give some hints where to look and what to check. Thanks, Torsten

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Lessons learned and a couple little gotcha for newbies
by William Oliver 13 Apr '22

13 Apr '22

I just finished, with great help from Mark Sapiro on the list, a new installation of mailman3. I used the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/insta… and https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html There were a couple of gotchas that I didn't see well documented. 1) I got the error django.template.library.InvalidTemplateLibrary: Invalid template library specified. ImportError raised when trying to load 'hyperkitty.templatetags.decorate': cannot import name 'escape_html' from 'mistune.scanner' (/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site- packages/mistune/scanner.py) when I ran 'mailman-web migrate' The fix was trivial: I just added the lines: from mistune.util import escape_html from mistune.util import escape_url to /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mistune/scanner.py It's not hard to search for those definitions, but if someone doesn't know a smattering of python, it might not be obvious. 2) Similarly, migrate (using postgres) also gave the error: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site- packages/django/db/backends/postgresql/utils.py", line 6, in utc_tzinfo_factory raise AssertionError("database connection isn't set to UTC") I was able to find a discusson of this one at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68024060/assertionerror-database-connec… which had me downgrade to an older version of psycopg2-binary: pip install psycopg2-binary==2.8.6 There might be a different fix, but this worked. 3) When I ran the test "uwsgi --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini" I got the error: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings' This was also trivially fixed by adding the path: export PYTHONPATH=$PYTHONPATH:/etc/mailman3 in /opt/mailman/.bashrc 4) Sometimes when I rebooted the machine, when I ran 'systemctl start mailman3' I'd get the error that mailman wouldn't start because the lock was stll there. I never could figure out where the lock was, so I worked around it by replacing ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start with ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start --force in /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service I'm sure there's something bad about doing that, but it works for me, so far. 5) I had a problem with mail to outside people not being delivered while mail to the local host was delivered. It turned out that this was because in my mailman.cfg I had "smtp_host:my.listserver.tld when it should have been localhost. The error was "relay access denied." To fix this, I had to add my.listserver.tld to "mynetworks" in /etc/postfix/main.cf, ie change: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/24 to mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/24 111.222.333.444 <--- my ip address However, Mark Sapiro (a God) told me this was because I had changed a line in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. I had changed smtp_host: localhost to smtp_host: mydomain.tld Here's the thing. The reason I did this was because the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html give this as their model: [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: mail.example.com lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: mail.example.com <---- not localhost smtp_port: 25 The instructions are good, but there are a few places where one size does not fit all, I guess. 6) A second error in delivery to outside addresses resulted in an "Access denied" error. A search on the internet revealed that this had to do with (for me) smtpd_recipient_restrictions in postfix. See, for instance: https://know.mailsbestfriend.com/postfix_error_relay_access_denied_noqueue_… Changing this fixed things. I'm not sure, but I think this shows up mostly with installations that include dovecot. 7) If you are using virtual domains in postfix, you need to use the "unusual postfix configuration" in https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… virtual_alias_maps = hash:/path-to-mailman/var/data/postfix_vmap 8) You need to manually set the local virtual host for mailman3. Somehow, I got the impression from the installation instructions that this was done automagically to the default x.mydomain.tld if your domain is mydomain.tld. It doesn't. 9) Follow the instructions verbatim, and follow them in the order provided. I installed postfix and nginx out of order, and it did OK, but once you get into the python virtual environment, it is easy to miss something if you don't do it in order. 10) Jot down lots of notes. This is one of the more complicated installations I've done, mostly because it involved configuring a zillion packages to talk to each other: Postfix, nginx, postorius, hyperkitty, django, and others (I'd never heard of "whoosh" or "sass" for instance). All of these can be unforgiving with configuration errors. The default installation instructions assumed a number of packages I'd never used. I'm an apache/dovecot/mysql kind of person, and I had to switch to nginx/postgres to use the instructions as the written defaults. I'm sure I could have used apache and mysql, but it would mean trying to figure out what didn't work without following the installations verbatim. I'd never even heard of postorius, hyperkitty, or django. So, it was easy to get confused a bit. Taking notes of changes I made was important in being able to back out of disastrous choices. Plus, once I'd installed it on one machine, I sat down and installed it on another machine, and it was very useful to have written down how I fixed an issue when it came up again -- and I didn't remember exactly what I had done. 11) Make multiple sequential backups of configuration files. I went down a couple of paths I shouldn't have gone down. For instance, with the vmap issue, I got it in my head that it was a postfix configuration issue, not a mailman issue. So I kept changing things in postfix. Once I was told that it was in *mailman* I had to set the virtual host, I needed to back out of about 8 tweaks I'd made to main.cf in /etc/postfix. If I hadn't been making main.cf.backup.01, main.cf.backup.02, etc. I would have had to spend another few hours trying to remember what inappropriate changes I had made. This is particularly true for me because I am not a great typist, and when I try to retype something to back out, there's a reasonable chance I'll mistype something and it still won't work. With these backups, I don't have both manually back out of things *and* proof my typing again and again. It's a lot easier to delete backups once things are working than to try to remember what you did late at night after a couple of bourbons. 12) Choose one set of installation instructions and follow it. Don't try to mix instructions from different tutorials unless you really know what you are doing. I didn't. For instance, there's a different set of mailman3 installation instructions at: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 It does things a little differently. It's useful to look at that when you are debugging why something's not working, but you can get into some trouble trying to do both installations at the same time -- which I found myself doing when something wasn't working. It didn't help. billo

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Issue with send mail to my domain in mailman3
by Paul Ssekamatte 12 Apr '22

12 Apr '22

I get this error in mail.log when I try to send mail to my domain Recipient address rejected: SMTP AUTH is required for users under this sender domain (in reply to RCPT TO command)). My setup is such that the server hosting the mailman3 (lists@tld) lists is different from the mail server (mail@tld) Please advise.

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How to use the "recipient_delimiter" postfix parameter with Mailman3?
by Pierre Malard 12 Apr '22

12 Apr '22

Hi, We are using the « recipient_delimiter » parameter with our Postfix server as « _ ». Visibly, Mailman have it’s own mail configuration because it doesn’t work know. Is it a way to conserv this Postfix functionality? Thanks -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système GeoSUD IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UMS CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France « La façon de donner vaut mieux que ce que l'on donne » Pierre Corneille (1606-1684) - Le menteur |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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french translation
by Yvan ♞ 11 Apr '22

11 Apr '22

Hello is there any french translation for mailman 3 ? to make it more user friendly to users. Sincerely

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Re: Mailman3 reinstall fail, need some help
by Yvan ♞ 11 Apr '22

11 Apr '22

Yes it's debian and I have root access but it's a more "user friendly" server release. I tryed this but it block https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/mailman3_ynh/blob/master/README.md https://yunohost.org/en/administrate/whatisyunohost Sincerely Yvan Le 12/03/2022 à 15:28, Eggert Ehmke a écrit : > Hello Yvan, > > I would suggest to install mailman3 following this guide: > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html > > but at first check, which operating system is on your yunohost? Is it Debian/ > Ubuntu? In this case the guide is fine, else there will be some adaptions. > > Tell me some details of your system, and if you have root access and can > install software packages. > > Regards > Eggert > > Am Samstag, 12. März 2022, 15:16:11 CET schrieb Yvan ♞: >> Hello, just made a try to install mailman 3 on yunohost unsuccessfully >> Sad... >> If some body can help me... >> Thanks >> https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/hujesebita >> >> Le 07/02/2022 à 15:57, Stephen J. Turnbull a écrit : >> >>> Yvan ♞ writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> > Just to know if I have a chance, do I have to unistall mailman before >>> > installing mailman 3 ? >>> >>> >>> >>> No. In fact, you can run both at the same time. Not for the same >>> list, obviously. And it requires a fair amount of planning and careful >>> attention to your web and MTA configurations. As far as I know there >>> are no naming conflicts in the default installations, Mailman 2 >>> installs into directory trees under directories named "mailman", while >>> Mailman 3 installs under "mailman3". >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list --mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email tomailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > >

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template head/footer questions.
by bob B 11 Apr '22

11 Apr '22

I migrated from mailman 2 to mailman3 and had head/footer questions. In the mailman 3 GUI see the templates section, so where do those files get edited/stored? I added a footer to a list via the GUI, but I do not see it in: /var/templates/lists/[listNAME]/en I see some directories corresponding to list names in /var/templates/lists/ But I do not have a directory for all my lists and for the footer one I just added. Bottom line, I assume I should not edit or create any files in /var/templates/lists/ and just use the GUI? is this directory leftover from migrating from mailman 2 to 3? I have a list admin who has made some head and footer files and wants me to put them in /var/templates/lists/[listNAME]/en/.... but I think that may not be the best option.

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out queue backlog and delivery rate
by dancab＠caltech.edu 11 Apr '22

11 Apr '22

We experienced an issue where our upstream mail protection gateway had an issue for a few hours. As a result out Mailman system was inundated with hundreds of messages within half an hour. Mail delivery is continuing at a snails pace and it is now 4 hours behind. I noticed that the system isn't overloaded either via CPU or Memory. It's just slowly "working on it". Are there rate limits that can be tuned for Mailman queues such as the "out" queue? Could this be IO related somehow? I'd expect there to be a CPU spike in that case. Please advise. Thanks in advance. ---- Dan Caballero Systems Administrator Academic Computing Solutions IMSS - Caltech https://imss.caltech.edu Is there anyway to

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Non devloper needs help with MailMan
by jenny＠bublitzcreative.com 08 Apr '22

08 Apr '22

We have an old MailMan program for our 165 members. The developer has gone MIA. Is anyone interested in being our new admin and helping us update our MailMan software?

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Looking for equivalent functions from mailman2
by Julian Kippels 06 Apr '22

06 Apr '22

Hi, I am currently in the process of converting all lists from our mailman2 instance to mailman3 lists. In the process I found that some of the mm2-commands that I have come to rely on are no longer available for mm3. For example, how could I get an equivalent output to what "list_owners -w" would have given me on mm2? The same goes for the old "list_members"-command. Thanks in advance Julian Kippels

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NNTP support
by Philip Colmer 05 Apr '22

05 Apr '22

Hi I'm struggling to understand from the documentation what Mailman 3 supports with regards to NNTP. Does it only support sending emails to a configured news server or does it support NNTP access to itself by user client software? Thank you. Regards Philip

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Active archivers and archiving and thread question.
by bob B 31 Mar '22

31 Mar '22

Digging into the mailman3 world, and want to check my logic... We normally don't use archives, so I have "archive policy" set to "Do not archive this list" for our lists. However, the "archives" button is still there on the list info page, and if users go into it, they don't see anything, But they can click "start a new thread" which sends a message to the list, but since archiving is turned off, that message does not show up there. Am I understanding that correctly? if I have "Active archivers" disabled, that hides that area from the users, correct? Any reason why these are separated? why have an active archiver, if archiving is turned off -OR- archives are turned on, but no active archiver?

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New install - The Message have no valid senders
by kenneth.karlsson＠eco.cept.org 31 Mar '22

31 Mar '22

I have installed a brand spanking new Ubuntu 21.10, with postfix as SMTP server and mailman3-full apt package.. All checks out fine except when i deliver mails into MM. Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.7 (default, Sep 10 2021, 14:59:43) [GCC 11.2.0] I have a very simple mail command going into Postfix, and it receives it fine and relay it to MM (email address obscured below but of course a proper email address was used !): The command: EHLO contoso.com mail from: <xxx(a)xxx.com> rcpt to: <mhtest(a)list.cept.org> DATA This is a test message . Accepted by Postfix: Mar 29 11:17:17 lits01a postfix/smtpd[4088]: B86DD6A04B9: client=unknown[192.168.200.157] Mar 29 11:17:30 lits01a postfix/cleanup[4091]: B86DD6A04B9: message-id=<> Mar 29 11:17:30 lits01a postfix/qmgr[3952]: B86DD6A04B9: from=<xxx(a)xxx.com>, size=200, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Mar 29 11:17:30 lits01a postfix/lmtp[4109]: B86DD6A04B9: to=<mhtest(a)list.cept.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=24, delays=24/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Mar 29 11:17:30 lits01a postfix/qmgr[3952]: B86DD6A04B9: removed MM receives it: Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) handling connection Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) Data: b'LHLO list.cept.org' Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<xxx(a)xxx.com>' Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) sender: xxx(a)xxx.com Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) Data: b'RCPT TO:<mhtest(a)list.cept.org>' Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) recip: mhtest(a)list.cept.org Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) Data: b'DATA' Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) Data: b'QUIT' Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) ('127.0.0.1', 37146) connection lost Mar 29 11:17:30 2022 (3940) Connection lost during _handle_client() But MM3 discards it: Mar 29 10:08:03 2022 (1767) DISCARD: <164854848338.1768.3954079936807939297@lits01a>; ['The message has no valid senders'] I have no idea where its goes wrong, but fear its something in the source code. Kind regards Kenneth Karlsson

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Problem with redirection when entering alias without a / at the end
by Jens Günther 31 Mar '22

31 Mar '22

Hey there, I'm using Apache2 as the webserver, configured https://mailman.xyz.de as Web host. When I want to get to Mailman Starting Page now I need to Enter the following URL: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/ to be directly redirected as expected to https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/postorius/lists/ -> works. Problem: When leave out the slash at the end and I ONLY enter the following URL: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3 -> then I'm wrongly redirected to a page, taht does not exist: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman/postorius/lists/ -> 404 Where can I change this misbehaviour? In Apache-conf everything seems as it'S in the docs, for the vHost I do not have any other custom settings. Thank you in advance. By the way: Is there an easy way to redirect directly from https://mailman.xyz.de to https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/postorius/lists/ -> what would be a possibility for that?

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Mails are stuck in Mailman Pipeline Queue
by Shashikanth Komandoor 30 Mar '22

30 Mar '22

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in-built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.7 version with default values. I am almost running 2000 lists with 64 GB RAM and 8 Cores on a single VM and on which all the mailman 3 components are running. I have been running this setup in production for the past 2 years and 6 months. I have been seeing a special scenario suddenly: most of the mails that are sent to this server are going to the pipeline queue and not getting released from there. No configuration changes are done and I'm not sure why the mails are getting stuck there. I have recreated the list but no luck. Could not identify the root cause. Please help in this regard. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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changing default preferred language of list
by Paul Paulchen 29 Mar '22

29 Mar '22

Hi MM community, need a little advise. We're running mailman in a Docker Container (maxking) Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.5 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.10 (default, May 6 2021, 06:30:44) [GCC 9.3.0] As far as I understood, it should be pretty easy. My wish: every new list we create has a default value for the preferred language: de (instead of us) Like described here: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… We put the values in: [mailman] default_language: de "/etc/mailman.cfg" and "/opt/mailman/mailman-extra.cfg" Nothing changes. When I create a new list via Postorius, is see the preferred language is US. Am I missing something? Is the default always US? And I have to change it manually? Cheers in advance! Paul

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Docker-Setup: example.com in test mails
by Bjoern Franke 29 Mar '22

29 Mar '22

Hi, we are running a docker setup with mailman-web and mailman-core. To our confusion, test mails testing for bounces are sent from example.com From: Mailman <mailman(a)example.com> To: Mailman Bounces <mailman-bounces(a)example.com> instead of the list domain and are therefore often considered as spam. The list domain should be lists.ffnw.de. Did I miss some setting? Best Regards Bjoern

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users leaking across virtual hosts
by Stanisław Findeisen 25 Mar '22

25 Mar '22

Hi We are hosting several virtual hosts (mail host : web host is a 1:1 mapping with identical names), works fine, but it looks user accounts are somehow global, i.e. registering a new user in a new virtual host doesn't work if the user name or e-mail address are already in use in another virtual host. This happens on the Hyperkitty sign-up page: /accounts/signup/ , with the errors being "A user is already registered with this e-mail address." and "A user with that username already exists.". I am assuming this is a well-known limitation, which would require a serious internal redesign to fix; correct? I was able to successfully login in the browser to a vhost using my user credentials from the original vhost (the one where the account was created) (the password was not auto-filled, of course, because of a different domain name). But how safe is this? How about subscribing to lists, posting etc.? Is this going to mess things up somehow? Thanks Stanisław

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duplicate SITE_IDs and broken /postorius/lists/ display; Mailman Client
by Stanisław Findeisen 25 Mar '22

25 Mar '22

Hi I am having 4 different virtual domains (FILTER_VHOST = True). However on the domain list page in Postorius: https://.../postorius/domains/ I can see only 3 different SITE_IDs: 1,1,4,3. If I recall correctly, the "3" and "4" were created manually using the Postorius Web UI, whereas the two "1"s were created using the Mailman Client: client.create_domain(name) Is this a bug? Or did I mess something up? What significance do those SITE_IDs have? What I also noticed is that in the Postorius Web UI: https://.../postorius/lists/ both "1" domains display the lists contained in "3", whereas both "3" and "4" display correctly their lists. Except the "3", all domains are empty at the moment (no lists) (so "4" correctly displays no lists). Not sure if this is related?... Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] Thanks! Stanisław

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