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Is there a correct way to remove the "Are you sure you want to logout" screen?
by Mark London 21 May '23

21 May '23

Hi - Is there a correct way to remove the "Are you sure you want to logout" screen, after I select to logout? It seems so impossible to accidentally logout. And even if I did, it's just very easy to log back in. I did hack logout.html, and used jquery to automatically click the button. But that feels like a real hack. Although it does work. :) - Mark

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Heads Up - Downtime
by Mark Sapiro 20 May '23

20 May '23

We are moving the server that supports this list and that which supports our wiki to a different cloud VPS. In conjunction with this, there will be some time beginning around 16:30 UTC and continuing for about an hour when lists.mailman3.org, www.list.org and wiki.list.org will be unavailable. During this down time, mail to <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> should be queued in the respective MTAs and delivered when service is restored. Nothing should be lost. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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spf/dkim/dmarc
by Christian 20 May '23

20 May '23

How does Mailman handle spf/dkim/dmarc? Specifically, does it re-signature originating sender emails not caring whether or not the originating email has proper spf/dkim/dmarc signatures? Or does it NOT re-signature originating sender email, i.e. just pass them through without alteration?

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Hyperkitty using wrong email address in archive view
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au 18 May '23

18 May '23

Hi Folks, I notice that for people with multiple email addresses, the email address that appears as the 'FROM' address in the hyperkitty archive is not the primary address, nor is it the address that the email actually came from, but the address that was created first. (Hyperkitty version 1.3.7) When I click on that from address in the archive view, I see all the email addresses for the user -- these do not match up with the ones in the django admin screen from .../admin/account/emailaddress/ When I see 'User profile for Fred Frog' it shows obsolete addresses (not subscribed, not in the Django profile for the user). How can I as administrator get rid of bogus addresses? Or do I have to ask each user to do this? and how can I ensure that the email address displayed in the archive is the primary address, not some address that no longer works? Peter C

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Making "Mass subscribe" and "Mass removal" their own buttons in list_nav.html What stupid thing have I done wrong?
by mrl＠psfc.mit.edu 18 May '23

18 May '23

I want "Mass subscribe" and "Mass removal" as their own buttons, since I use them so much. I modified nav_list.html. See below. While the new buttons go to the correct page, the buttons don't get highlighted. I believe ootstrap navbar should be assigning "nav-link.active" class to the button that is clicked. But it doesn't. All the other buttons below work correctly. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. - Mark <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/templates" class="nav-link ">Templates</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/mass_subscribe/" class="nav-link ">Mass subscribe</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/mass_removal/" class="nav-link ">Mass removal</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/header-matches/" class="nav-link ">Header filters</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/delete" class=" nav-link">Delete</a></li>

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Problem user
by Itay Malka 18 May '23

18 May '23

Hello everyone, I use mailman3 And I have one user who every time receives reports on a mailing list that he is not the administrator of, he is only registered to it How can I cancel it? could not find This is the email Message-ID: <CABPnsAo5vT8YKXiaHk0E2qs8CRs8nP13B9T9n5x4Yc8n7iLV3Q(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000069e01c05fbde1416" --00000000000069e01c05fbde1416 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 16rXldeT15QNCg== --00000000000069e01c05fbde1416 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGRpdiBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPteq15XXk9eUPC9kaXY+DQo= --00000000000069e01c05fbde1416-- End of Dental-medicine-faculty-council Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 ************************************************************* Regards

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Sendgrid experiences
by Andrew Hodgson 17 May '23

17 May '23

Hi. I am temporarily using Sendgrid now on my Mailman instance. Initial observations have been positive. A list with 100 users is racking up email delivers though, I am on the basic paid account which gives me 50k emails per month. I was hoping to use a cheaper provider and pay overage costs per email on the assumption that I'm seeing a spike in traffic today because people have started getting the messages again. Sendgrid is maintaining the Message-Id header which is good for archiving. It is re-writing the Return-Path header though which means that bounce handling in Mailman won't work, but I think all the services do this in some way so I am happy to live with that for the moment. Hope this helps. Andrew.

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hyperkitty_import Unicode Errors
by Dave Hall 16 May '23

16 May '23

Hello. When running hyperkitty_import to import Mailman 2.1 archives, I frequently get errors like django.db.utils.OperationalError: (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xE1\\x90\\xA7\\x0A\\x0AO...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") Is there a known cause for this? Is it fixed in some release more recent than 0+20180916? Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University kdhall(a)binghamton.edu

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Need help getting MM3 up and running on Ubuntu 20.04
by Marisa Giancarla 15 May '23

15 May '23

I asked for help before and someone helped me, but I couldn't pay the amount he requested right away and all my contact info for hoim seemed toi disappear so I am asking again. I can't afford to pay but I can provide monthly data center hosting in return. I need it running on Ubuntu 20.04. If you can help please email me at fstltna(a)yahoo.com. Thanks! Marisa

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Make archives private by default
by Johannes Rohr 11 May '23

11 May '23

Dear all, in mailman2 there was a setting that ensured that the archives of newly created lists are by default privat ( DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 Is there something similar in Mailman3? Johannes

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Problem with Gmail; bulk email
by Lars Bjørndal 10 May '23

10 May '23

Does someone have tips in how to solve the problem? Look at the log: mai 09 06:16:52 dalen.lamasti.net postfix/smtp[2174424]: 8163214C1740: to=<example(a)gmail.com>, relay=alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.250.157.27]:25, delay=50885, delays=50875/0.04/6.5/3.7, dsn=4.7.28, status=deferred (host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.250.157.27] said: 421-4.7.28 [185.181.61.11 15] Our system has detected an unusual rate of 421-4.7.28 unsolicited mail originating from your IP address. To protect our 421-4.7.28 users from spam, mail sent from your IP address has been temporarily 421-4.7.28 rate limited. Please visit 421-4.7.28 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError to 421 4.7.28 review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. 14-20020a63184e000000b00519f8ebcc5esi643336pgy.121 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command)) I have added the domain where the mailman list lives on to the google-site-verification TXT record in DNS. That seems to have no effect. Thanks Lars -- Lars Bjørndal <lars(a)lamasti.net> Ostadalsveien 64, 0753 Oslo. Mobil: 958 37 537

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Replace "visit your dashboard" with URL link, like in Mailman 2.
by Mark London 09 May '23

09 May '23

Has anybody attempted to change the format of the emails that are sent to the owner of a mailing list, to include a URL, instead of stating "visit your dashboard"? The former is the behavior of Mailman 2. Is there any reason why this can't be done? If nobody has tried to do so yet, I'll give it a try myself, as I'm familiar with django. Thanks. - Mark At your convenience, visit: https://.../mailman/admindb/... to approve or deny the request. The message is being held because: The message is not from a list member At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the request.

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Installed from Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10, web not quite working
by volkmar＠grote-family.com 08 May '23

08 May '23

Hi, today I installed MM3 with Nginx on Debian 11 following the document with a bit of "Mailman 3 installation experience" thrown in (many thanks to the authors!) with some minor changes, i.e. no encryption, and "re_path" instead of "url". I cannot get the web interface to run. "admin" is OK, but Postorius und Hyperkitty refuse to show up with > Page not found (404) > Request Method: GET > Request URL: http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3/lists/ > > Using the URLconf defined in urls, Django tried these URL patterns, in this order: > > ^$ > ^postorius/ > ^hyperkitty/ > ^user-profile/delete$ [name='mm_user_account_delete'] > ^user-profile/$ [name='mm_user_profile'] > ^accounts/ > ^admin/ > > The current path, mailman3/lists/, didn’t match any of these. > > You’re seeing this error because you have DEBUG = True in your Django settings file. Change that to False, and Django will display a standard 404 page. The error logs are all OK, the GET requests are logged without any error. My urls.py: > (venv) mailman@me:/opt/mailman/mm$ grep -v "^#" urls.py > from django.contrib import admin > from django.urls import include, reverse_lazy, re_path > from django.views.generic import RedirectView > > urlpatterns = [ > re_path(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view( > url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), > permanent=True)), > re_path(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > re_path(r'^hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > re_path(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), > re_path(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), > # Django admin > re_path(r'^admin/', admin.site.urls), > ] It must be something either really complex or, most likely, rather stupid. I switched from PC Assembler and C to Unix shell scripts some three decades ago, so I must admit that my Python skills are zero, my idea of the inner workings of all the packages is very vague. Any hints where I may look for installation errors? TIA Volkmar

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Response for Admins only
by Michael Schaarschmidt 08 May '23

08 May '23

Hello, I’m an administrator of a MM3 with a lot of lists, which are generated and maintained through the rest api. For testing reasons I am looking for a way to send a test mail with a ping to a list in MM3 from a mail address of an administrator to get a pong from the MM3 - or even better - get a response with the status of the list like number of recipients, number of mails waiting for moderation, etc. Does exist a solution for such a purpose? Regards, Michael -- Michael Schaarschmidt Martin-Luther-University Halle-Wittenberg IT-Center Kurt-Mothes-Str. 1 06120 Halle (Saale) Germany

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messages in queue/shunt
by Christian 07 May '23

07 May '23

Can/should old messages residing in queue/shunt be manually removed? I see they were delivered. Is there any reason to leave them there? Thank you!!

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templates
by Christian 06 May '23

06 May '23

I'm having issues with my lists. For each list I have created a template [ list:user:action:subscribe ]which has a prospective subscriber have to consent to list rules before they are subscribed. This template I created is listed in Postorius for each list. I have noticed that there are no other templates listed in Postorius. Furthermore, there is no 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates/. Help (please)!

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Permission Denied "/opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/..."
by Peter Knowles 06 May '23

06 May '23

I am writing my own archive reader script in PHP which parses the "maildir" content produced by the "prototype" archiver. When I try to access the contents from "opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/prototype/LISTNAME/new" folder I get a permission denied error. *** I'm using the "file_get_contents" PHP command to access the file. ***

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Re: Python is updated
by Mark London 06 May '23

06 May '23

Because of my own personal horror stories of waking up to finding high priority linux servers broken, due to nightly automated updates, I now prevent automatic updates on my servers. I only do manual security updates. In addition to implementing modern security techniques for our network. That is just my personal belief system. It's worked for the past 25 years. The only time we ever got hacked, was because of some stupid php scripts that our developers had put online, or because people's passwords had become leaked. And some of those situations were nightmares also. In two case of which, happened while I was away on vacation, and I had to fix everything remotely. But that was never due to updates. I probably shouldn't express my opinion. But I have a lot of empathy for the guy who discovered his mailman broken due to upgraded Python. Which triggered my nightmares. But it's great though to have a very responsive community here, to bring people back from the dead. - Mark

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Default Setting for 'Results per Page' and other Web Pull-downs
by Dave Hall 05 May '23

05 May '23

Hello. For the past several months I've been in the process of migrating from Mailman2 to Mailman3 (along with many other tasks). I've just started to use the web interface heavily as I am finally doing the full migration of all my 2.1 lists. Before I ask my question, I am currently running Debian 10 which supplies mailman-3.2.1 and mailman-web 0+20180916, which are definitely old at this point. Although I will soon move to Debian 11, I am still constrained to stick to Debian packages. So if this has been fixed or enhanced in a future version I'm sorry for asking an old question. My question: when I go to any page that has a list (of lists, of members, or archives), there are pulldowns like 'Results per page' that seem to reset to the minimum number when I refresh the page. There are others like 'Hide inactive' on the Archives page. What I'm looking for is a per-user way to customize these values so I don't have to keep on setting them to the value I prefer. If that is available in a later release then I have something to look forward to. If not, it sure would be nice to have. Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University kdhall(a)binghamton.edu

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Amazon SES, Message-ID, and mailman
by Sam Darwin 05 May '23

05 May '23

Hi, We are running a mailman 2 mailing list, soon to upgrade to mailman 3. We recently switch the mail gateway from mailgun to Amazon SES. There's a new problem that the mailman 2 archives are not able to group threads together the way they were before. Moreover, end users have their own mail clients that display the list messages, and they are complaining about issues in their local mail clients. It seems to be related to the mail header fields Message-ID: , References: , and In-Reply-To: . Amazon SES rewrites the Message-ID. Therefore, it won't match the original Message-ID, and so the second reply email won't matched with the first email in a web archive display. Additionally, email replies are often sent both to the list and to individual participants, and so it's important that both of these copies have the identical message id. Has anyone else used Amazon SES as a mail gateway, and did you have success with it? Does this interpretation of the problem seem reasonable? Would it make sense to briefly discuss "Amazon SES" in an FAQ section of the mailman documentation? Thanks, Sam

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Change delivery_status of a member by using the rest api
by Michael Schaarschmidt 04 May '23

04 May '23

Hello, I would like to set or change the delivery_status of a list member by using the rest api. The curl request looks like curl \ -X PATCH \ -H "Content-Type: application/json“ \ -H "Accept: application/json“ \ -u restadmin:secret_password \ -d "@./foo_patch.json“ \ "http://127.0.0.1:8001/3.1/members/ebcdd09bb8d84758a135c3449023701e“ With the json-file: { „delivery_status“: „by_user“ } I get an error message: {"title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Unexpected parameters: delivery_status“} Is there a way to change the attribute `delivery_status` of an existing member by using the rest api? Cheers, Michael Schaarschmidt ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Postorius install - missing python modules
by Marco F 03 May '23

03 May '23

Hello, On AlmaLinux 8.7, after Configuring Mailman and Setting up my database (postgres), and hooking up my mailserver (Exim), the instructions proceed to Set up Postorius: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/setup.html I've tried `pip install postorius`, as well as the latest version, cloning and `pip install -e .`. I've tried with multiple python versions, all with the results: ModuleNotFoundError. Here's highlights of one example: ``` dnf update -y dnf upgrade -y dnf install -y python39 alternatives --config python3 » python3 -V Python 3.9.13 pip3 install postorius git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius.git cd postorius pip3 install -e . cd example_project ~/postorius/example_project (master)» » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'debug_toolbar' » pip3 install debug_toolbar ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement debug_toolbar (from versions: none) ERROR: No matching distribution found for debug_toolbar » pip3 install django-debug-toolbar ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel' » pip3 install requests_panel ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel' » pip3 install django-requests-panel ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel.panel' # I tried a bunch of different modules, none resolved the error, finally tried this & it did: » cd $( dirname $( locate requests_panel/panels.py ) ) && cp -pv panels.py panel.py » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_wrapper' » pip3 install requests_wrapper ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ImportError: cannot import name '_total_seconds' from 'requests_wrapper' (/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/requests_wrapper/__init__.py) ```

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looking for more detailed traceback for shunted message
by bob B 03 May '23

03 May '23

Had a message get shunted in /opt/mailman/core/var/queue/shunt/. *** but that is the location in the docker environment, which we are running. The mailman log shows: Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 2e0e82a5-0924-1777-bed8-34862417fe7e@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 1198-1200: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) SHUNTING: 1682514596.7976818+6067e5ddeb70e4aad97977071b5ed00c41999057 Apr 26 13:10:14 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 367fa8b7-97ac-58b3-fb99-458dbb951f5d@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:10:14 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 367fa8b7-97ac-58b3-fb99-458dbb951f5d@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 1198-1200: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) SHUNTING: 1682514616.5346222+7292ba8b651bc1bd76a9098733a39090e092add2 Is there anyway to get more info, Is there a more detailed traceback somewhere?

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Python is updated
by Lars Bjørndal 29 Apr '23

29 Apr '23

Hi, list! As the machine I'm running Mailman on now is upgraded from Fedora 36 to 37, the Python version is upgraded from 3.10 to 3.11. How do I update Mailman in the virutal environment? Thanks, Lars

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How to see the admin password reset in docker with mailman3
by bob B 27 Apr '23

27 Apr '23

I am setting up a new environment of Mailman3 in docker. I understand I have to reset the password to set the password for admin. I go to forget the password, in the GUI and I put in the address I have listed in the docker-compose.yaml and I never get the email. I look at the mail log on the host and I do not see the smtp connections. I assume Django is not using the docker host but sending the mail directly?? Basically, where can I see the password email rest mail logs to make sure an email was sent out and where it is going?

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If I manually add email addresses to a list and then delete them, how do i permanent delete them from Users?
by Mark London 25 Apr '23

25 Apr '23

I added some email addresses manually to a mailing list and then removed them. But now I can't find how to totally remove them from mailman3. They show up in the Users list. When I go to the Django interface, I don't see them listed in any selection. I thought they would show up under Emails in Hyperkitty, but they are not there. Oddly, somehow I've managed to create multiple duplicates of the same address, under Emails. Figure that one out! Thanks. - Mark 21 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:54 a.m. [Mark] afasdfa mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 20 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:44 a.m. [Mark] Re: tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 19 london(a)mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:31 a.m. [Mark] tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 18 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:28 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 17 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:27 a.m. [Mark] tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 16 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:22 a.m. [Mark] Re: foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 15 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:21 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 14 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 2:05 a.m. [Mark] ;jklj mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 13 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:53 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 12 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:52 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 11 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:51 a.m. [Mark] Re: test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 10 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:42 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 9 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:38 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 8 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:40 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 7 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:33 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 6 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:32 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 5 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:21 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 4 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:20 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 3 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:11 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 2 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:14 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 1 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:22 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu

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Configuring sendmail without virtualtable? Is this possible?
by Mark London 25 Apr '23

25 Apr '23

I'm presently running mailman 2 on an email server, which all use @psfc.mit.edu addresses. And which uses /etc/aliases. The directions for configuring sendmail for mailman 3, specify using virtusertable. I want my new email server to also host mailman 3 on ubuntu. Is it still possible to use sendmail, given the following directions for sendmail configuration? Seems talk using might break things. Or am I wrong? https://gist.github.com/Maeglin73/72eb5b1e4ee66a383c2aa454726be9a5 Thanks for any help. - Mark

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Problems getting MM3 to work
by Alain D D Williams 25 Apr '23

25 Apr '23

I have been using mailman2 for some 15 years ... decided that it is time to upgrade to MM3. I have to admit that I am finding it very hard to do so. My target is a Rocky Linux machine (AKA CentOS/RedHat). I am doing a test install in a virtual Debian 10 machine - the idea is learn how it hangs together before reimplement on Rocky (where I tie things down with SELinux). For me the biggest problem is the poor documentation - for someone who is new at MM3 and is not a Python programmer. After a few false starts I am doing a virtualenv installation as described: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html (Changes: I am using mariadb not postgresql, apache not nginx) I am trying to set up the WSGI server. It thinks that my domain is example.com ... when I 'grep -r example.com /opt/mailman' I see 11338 lines - far too many to look through. Could someone please tell me what/where I configure to enter my test domain. Thanks in advance. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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MM3 does not receive gmail-Members!
by Paul Brenner 24 Apr '23

24 Apr '23

Hallo I need help! My MM3 sends mails via a list. However, no mails arrive at all gmail recipients. These mails also do not end up in the spam or junk folders. What do I have to do? Regards Paul

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Gmail problems?
by Stephen Daniel 24 Apr '23

24 Apr '23

Mailman Gurus -- I run a number of small lists for my neighborhood association. The largest of these is ~120 users. Typical volumes are about 2 messages/day. In the past week or so a number of users who use gmail as their email client have complained that list emails have been going to spam or "promotions" folders. I've always had 1 or 2 users who had trouble receiving mails, but this seems to be a significant percentage of all gmail users. I have DMARC mitigation set to unconditional, and the DMARC action set to "Replace From: with list address". My emails are sent using google workspace as my SMTP relay. I'm trying to teach my users to whitelist the list domain, but they are not, in general, a tech-savvy bunch, so it is slow going. Anyone else suddenly having trouble with gmail? Any suggestions? Thanks!! -- Steve

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how to unhold a hold message from a nonmmeber in hold list.
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 21 Apr '23

21 Apr '23

I'm having troubles with Django and cannot access to web admin. I need to unhold a message while figures out what is happening. Searching the mailman cli help commands didn't help me. Anyone who knows how to unhold a message, please? Thanks in advance -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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MASS mailing list import - 900 ezmlm lists to Mailman
by grant＠horizonsunlimited.com 20 Apr '23

20 Apr '23

Hi, I hope someone can help. I have 900-ish, mostly small lists, basically all locations round the globe where people have volunteered to help particular people passing though. Those lists have 2 to 200 people. There are about 50 lists of up to 1000 people each we use for announcements. So two different setups, and a whole lot of manual work. I am moving from an old, now unreliable, host to a new one. Hopefully reliable, certainly cheaper, and better for privacy GDPR etc regs. Mailman is already installed, appears to be version 82?? on cPanel 108.0.15. Ezmlm, no surprise, is not. Installing and configuring it is not something trivial, also have to install gmail etc. Yuck. So, Mailman... going through to create one, I can see that 900 will be my life's work. I'm not a programmer, but reasonably technical, write html, css skills poor but adequate, command line isn't tooo scary, MySQL I don't go near. DOS batch files no problem! :) ANY IDEAS / suggestions appreciated! Thanks, Grant

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Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04?
by Mark London 16 Apr '23

16 Apr '23

Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04? If not, will it be possible in the near future? Thanks. Mark

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Link to account
by Lars Bjørndal 14 Apr '23

14 Apr '23

Hi, list! On one of my sites, I want to have all Mailman3 links to go under /mailman3. Even though, the Login link goes to a URL like: https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/accounts/login/ How can I ensure it goes to https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/mailman3/accounts/login/ Thanks, Lars

2 6

REST API http://.../3.1/users/../preferred_address returns 404 for GET and POST
by Eric Vyncke 13 Apr '23

13 Apr '23

Postorius 1.3.6 does not work anymore when displaying the details of a list that I own (https://lists.XXX.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/rapcs-pilotes.listsXXXorg/) . It worked before but there was several upgrades in between (Ubuntu, apt packages, MySQL, Python). It displays the usual header/footer of the page but with "Something went wrong" above a red box with "HTTP Error 404:". /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log last entries are below (note the 404 result codes in the REST API): Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94 HTTP/1.1" 200 418 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/addresses/eric(a)XXX.org HTTP/1.1" 200 379 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "POST /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log of course has an exception about this 404 result code. Using the MM3 shell, the preferred_address can be displayed and even modified. There are also good values in the MySQL database. Other API endpoints for users work fine (preferences, addresses, ...) Postorius system information is: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.10 (default, Mar 13 2023, 10:26:41) [GCC 9.4.0] Running Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS and Python 3.8 Thanks in advance for any hint to solve this issue (I have held messages that I would love to accept)

2 6

Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'
by Mohsen Masoudfar 13 Apr '23

13 Apr '23

I am observing the following error message in the logs for one specific list: = = = relay=email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210]:587, delay=0.27, delays=0.05/0.04/0.12/0.06, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210] said: 554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'. (in reply to end of DATA command)) = = = As I mentioned, this happens for one single list only and this list has not been able to send any email for a week now. After checking mailman-users, I came across the following setting, which seems kind of related to my issue: = = = To distribute messages with valid DKIM signatures, I set remove_dkim_headers: yes in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cf = = = Here are my questions: 1 - I have around 100 lists and this happens for this one list only, so, I am not sure, if the issue might be solved with this change. 2 - Because this happens for this one list only, I would rather change it for this one list only, is there any option available changing it for one list only and not for the whole server? Thanks M

2 3

RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3?
by Markus Ludwig Grandpré 12 Apr '23

12 Apr '23

Dear MM§-users, is there a good documentation and example how I can learn to enable django.contrib.auth.backends.RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3? I've already found a detailed documentation (see [1]), but I do not manage to implement this AuthN mechanism for Mailman3. Can you help me? Btw. how can I disable and remove the Fedora button from Maliman3's login page? Best, Markus [1] <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/howto/auth-remote-user/> -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

4 6

List notices in French, but subject in English
by Mark Dale 12 Apr '23

12 Apr '23

Hi, I have a list set with it's preferred language set as French and the body of the standard notification emails (eg. Welcome message) is correctly sent in French, however the subject of the emails is in English. Can the list be configured so the subject is also in French, or is this an issue with gettext .mo files somewhere? This is on Debian package Mailman 3.3.3 Thanks, Mark

2 2

An archive/read-only list on a full setup?
by Andreas Schamanek 11 Apr '23

11 Apr '23

I have a working full installation of mailman3, postorius and hyperkitty (on Debian 11). Now I wanted to host the archive of a remote list, and I am wondering how to do this properly. After I found no documentation and no posting I simply created a list in mailman3 with only 1 dummy member. The list address is subscribed to the actual remote list. So, messages arrive and are archived. But that's not optimal because hyperkitty thinks it's a normal list where it should be read-only and do not allow subscriptions etc. What's the proper way to set up a hyperkitty-only list? -- -- Andreas :-)

2 2

Change base mailman URL path
by chad.hays86＠gmail.com 08 Apr '23

08 Apr '23

Hi, I recently completed the a Mailman3 install using these[1] instructions. I'm able to access the web interface, the Django admin app, etc off the root domain URL. For example: https://mydomain.org/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/admin, https://mydomain.org/archives What's the most straightforward way to put all of these URL paths behind a different context? For example: https://mydomain.org/lists/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/lists/admin, https://mydomain.org/lists/archives I'm running Apache2 as my web server and am using mod_proxy to proxy requests to uwsgi. [1] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html

2 2

Debian Package Install - Ownership and Permissions
by Dave Hall 07 Apr '23

07 Apr '23

Hello, I know that installing from Debian packages is not the preferred method - unfortunately that's what I'm stuck with at the moment. I have an installation that is sort of working, but there seems to be a lot of issues relating to ownership and permissions that I'll have to manage by hand, so I am asking for some guidance. I'm seeing an interplay between 'list' (the existing Mailman2 user), www-data (the Apache user) and root. Given that it seems like almost everything that's part of mailman3-web/django/hyperkitty is running in uwsgi, should I maybe change /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini to use 'list' as the uid/gid rather than www-data and then also change any user/group permission to 'list' as well? Thanks -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

4 9

Problem with starting core - problem getting a lock on something
by Jens Günther 06 Apr '23

06 Apr '23

Unfortunately our mailman-core-container doesn't start anymore correctly. We updated lately to v0.4.5 and it ran smoothly for the last 4 weeks. This morning the RAM crashed and I then had to restore some things since the RAID was affected. Anyway, the container doesn't get up anymore although we didn't change anything in the setup. Does anybody know what the error means and how we could fix that? "Could not acquire the lock" normally means that some permissions aren't right ... right? Actually I don't know where to start. What I already did: remove the container completely and rebuild it. Thank you in advance! Jens. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 125, in acquire_lock_1 lock.lock(timedelta(seconds=0.1)) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 386, in lock raise TimeOutError('Could not acquire the lock') flufl.lock._lockfile.TimeOutError: Could not acquire the lock During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 237, in details lockfile, hostname, pid, random_ignored = filename.split( ValueError: not enough values to unpack (expected 4, got 1) The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/master", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 580, in main lock = acquire_lock(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 151, in acquire_lock lock = acquire_lock_1(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 131, in acquire_lock_1 hostname, pid, tempfile = lock.details File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 241, in details raise NotLockedError('Details are unavailable') from error flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Details are unavailable

1 1

Hyperkitty shows "<" as <
by Andreas Schamanek 05 Apr '23

05 Apr '23

Hi fellow Hyperkitties, I migrated from Mailman 2 to 3 and imported my 1st list via `manage.py hyperkitty_import` to Hyperkitty 1.3.4 (the Debian package), but that might not even be relevant to my problem: All "<" and ">" in old and new messages are shown as "<" and ">" in message views _however_ they are shown correctly in overview abstracts e.g. at //server/mm3/hyperkitty/list/testlist@server/latest Is this a bug in Hyperkitty? Or is our server doing something funky? -- -- Andreas :-)

2 4

Mailman and Mailman-web databases
by Andrew Hodgson 05 Apr '23

05 Apr '23

Hi. Just come out of a bit of a server reorg where I followed the new instructions to get Mailman3 up and running with Mailman-web. Virtualenv Installation - Mailman Suite 3.3 documentation (list.org)<https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> In these instructions we are using 2 databases for the Mailman and Django components. I guess it doesn't harm anything to have just one database for both but wondered whether it was a good idea to split eventually? Thanks. Andrew.

3 2

Database Schema - v3.2.1 to v3.3.3
by Dave Hall 05 Apr '23

05 Apr '23

Hello. Have 4 Debian servers running Mailman3 v3.2.1 and sharing the same external MySql databases for Mailman3 and Mailman3-web. I am in the process of migrating to v3.3.3. It would be easiest to perform this upgrade one server at a time, but this would mean that for a short time I would have v3.2.1 and v3.3.3 using the same databases. I am wondering if there are any MySql schema differences between the two versions. If there are, having the two different versions 'cohabitating' won't work.. Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

3 2

Held messages page not rendering the message
by mike-mailman＠earth.li 04 Apr '23

04 Apr '23

Hi When the list moderator goes to the held_messages page, they correctly get a list of the held messages and can accept/reject/discard them However, clicking on the individual message to read it doesn't work - it does nothing visible at all. From debug I can see it requests /mailman3/postorius/api/list/<list>/held_message/1/ which returns correctly (and the body includes the message as expected) - but it never renders it Any idea what could be wrong? Thanks -- Mike

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upgrading in FreeBSD 13.1-p7: problem with aiosmtpd and lmtp runner
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 04 Apr '23

04 Apr '23

As you could have read yesterday, I had problems upgrading to the last versions of mailman3 related apps. The lmtp runner stopped after upgrade and showed and error in aiosmtpd package. the O.S. version running may servers is FreeBSD 13.1-p7 That was in a mailman3 server with few lists and traffic. O did the upgrade today in the server that has many lists and hard traffic. When I restarted mailman it showed this trace: Generating MTA alias maps /usr/local/mailman3 # Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/runner", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'runner')()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 184, in main runner = make_runner(*runner_spec, once=once) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 70, in make_runner return runner_class(name, slice) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/runners/lmtp.py", line 295, in __init__ self.lmtp = LMTPController(LMTPHandler(), hostname=hostname, port=port) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 417, in __init__ self._localhost = get_localhost() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 66, in get_localhost with makesock(AF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM) as sock: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/socket.py", line 232, in __init__ _socket.socket.__init__(self, family, type, proto, fileno) OSError: [Errno 43] Protocol not supported As Mark pointed it can be circunverted modifying /PATH_TO_YOUR_PYTHON/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py and changing the 49th line as this: # Helper function to assist in mocking^M ## return has_ipv6^M return False After that, restarting mailman 3 works perfectly. It seems that FreeBSD is handling IPv6 in a way that other OSs dont. It surprise me, because FreeBSD was the first OS where IPv6 was deployed, but it is what it is. Thaks to everybody for your patience, specially Odhiambo and Mark. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Custom Archiver
by Stephen J. Turnbull 03 Apr '23

03 Apr '23

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/1/23 16:33, Peter Knowles wrote: > > That all being said, on a slight segway... Aside from using the > > REST API, is it practical or possible to manipulate the database > > directly? That is, in doing so would it just work or are there > > extra moving parts when an API request is issued? > > It probably is possible, but I would definitely discourage it. The > REST API should provide everything you need without your having to > reimplement everything it does. I think it would probably be a really heavy lift, because Mailman internally uses an object-relational manager, SQAlchemy. We occasionally change the schema, and SQAalchemy will automatically upgrade the database schema. You would have to handle that by hand in your code. I would recommend you get the sources for mailmanclient (https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient, iirc). They're quite repetitive, you wouldn't want to literally port them, but once you're familiar with the scaffolding and a couple of the commands you should be able to write a lot of PHP really fast to cover the REST endpioints you most need in a library with an API to your taste. Steve

1 0

Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list
by Andrew Hodgson 02 Apr '23

02 Apr '23

Hi, I have noticed recently I have around 2000 bogus sign-ups that have created accounts in Django. Looking through the logs these have come from the Postorius sign-up pages. I checked and email confirmation is required before the accounts are created and the email addresses that have been used do seem like they could respond to these requests. I don't want to add captchas to the form right now but is there any way to clean out these users from the database perhaps periodically based on whether the accounts are subscribed to any list? Thanks. Andrew.

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Custom Archiver
by pknowles＠tpnsolutions.com 02 Apr '23

02 Apr '23

I'm playing around with installing Mailman Core, and want to have messages on a "per-list" basis sent to a special "archiver" address which I intend to make archives available at via a custom built "read-only" IMAP client. How would I go about having messages sent to this external address, short of adding the address as a subscriber?

3 3

lmtp runner not starting
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 01 Apr '23

01 Apr '23

This morning I upgraded the mailman3 installation of the less traffic server I have: a bunch of lists, with very slow traffic. (see pip lists at the end) I sent test mails to a pair of lists, but none were distributed or archived. postorius seemed working well. First I thought it was some I did wrong in the upgrade procedure, but then I realized the lmtp runner was not running. I followed old messages about similar problem (many of them in this same mailman-users list), but I cannot see what is wrong. There is no error logged in mailman.log. the mailman.cfg of the lmtp is the default (and was working at least a pair of weeks ago) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* from mailman.cfg [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* There is no one listening in port 8024. I tried changing the port (to 9024), with the same results. postfix seems working well. I's just there is nothing listening on port 8024 because lmtp runner is not running :) (from maillog): connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024: Connection refused (another simple test) root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # telnet localhost 8024 Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused I'm running out of ideas. Any clue to somewhere to dig in? *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* runners started Apr 01 17:24:40 2023 (4681) out runner started. Apr 01 17:24:40 2023 (4680) virgin runner started. Apr 01 17:24:41 2023 (4679) command runner started. Apr 01 17:24:42 2023 (4688) retry runner started. Apr 01 17:24:43 2023 (4686) in runner started. Apr 01 17:24:44 2023 (4683) digest runner started. Apr 01 17:24:44 2023 (4684) nntp runner started. Apr 01 17:24:45 2023 (4682) archive runner started. Apr 01 17:24:46 2023 (4685) bounces runner started. Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) task runner started. Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted expired cache entries Apr 01 17:24:48 2023 (4678) pipeline runner started. Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted expired cache entries *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* pip lists with versions installed root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep mailman django-mailman3 1.3.9 mailman 3.3.8 mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1 mailmanclient 3.3.5 root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep django django-allauth 0.51.0 django-appconf 1.0.5 django-compressor 4.0 django-extensions 3.2.0 django-gravatar2 1.4.4 django-haystack 3.2.1 django-mailman3 1.3.9 django-picklefield 3.1 django-q 1.3.9 djangorestframework 3.13.1 root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep postorius postorius 1.3.8 -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Email discard
by qro＠xs4all.nl 01 Apr '23

01 Apr '23

Hi I have a good working mailman3 list server with 3 mailing lists. 2 of them work OK, but 1 has a little odd behaiver If a non member send an email it will discard while the setting in /postorius/lists/list.name.nl/settings/message_acceptance shows Hold for moderation A snip from var/mailman3/mailman.log Apr 01 10:48:32 2023 (49342) DISCARD: <4359976d-d4bb-9b30-0901-c842aa1fecb3(a)xs4all.nl>; ['The message is not from a list member'] Changing and saving a other choice makes no difference. Where can I look more to find a solution? (in mysql?) Peter

2 1

Dealing with spam from Web users
by Jeremy Stanley 01 Apr '23

01 Apr '23

We recently migrated a bunch of lists from 2.1 to 3.3.7 and have started to get spammers posting via HyperKitty (because I guess that's easier for them than SMTP). It looks like I should be able to set posts from HyperKitty to be automatically moderated by creating a header filter on "User-Agent" matching "HyperKitty" but is there a better/easier way? Also, for things which already went out to the list, obviously I can ban the spammer but what's the cleanest solution for removing their posts from list archives so that we don't further their goals by continuing to publish their handiwork? -- Jeremy Stanley

2 1

Need some help getting this working...
by Marisa Giancarla 31 Mar '23

31 Mar '23

I'm trying to get mailman set up again (don't ask what happened) and I am having trouble. Anyone interested in working with me to resolve the issues? I'm trying to run itonUbuntu22.04 if that makes a difference. I can provide shell access to the mail server... Thanks for the attention! Marisa -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

2 1

Question about whitlisting a domain for specific mailing list
by Zaheer Abbas 30 Mar '23

30 Mar '23

Hi All, I need to whitelist a domain for a specific mailing list on your platform. Only *(a)example.com email addresses should be allowed to post messages to this list. Could you please provide me with documentation or instructions on how to achieve this? I have already searched the knowledge base and user manuals without success. I believe it was previously available in mailman2 via Accept_these_nonmembers attribute. But I cannot find this attribute anywhere on postorius. I am using mailman 3.2.2 Any help would be really appreciated. Best regards, -- *ZA*

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500 error on Held Messages page
by Dan Caballero 30 Mar '23

30 Mar '23

Hello, I searched the list but couldn't find anything specific to the error seeing with held messages for this specific list. See output below from the mailman.log. The problem doesn't seem to be related to the database listarchiver table. Please advise. -- Dan Caballero Caltech Systems Administrator MySQL [mailman3_prod]> select * from listarchiver where mailing_list_id='4899'; +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ | id | mailing_list_id | name | _is_enabled | +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ | 1872 | 4899 | mhonarc | 0 | | 1873 | 4899 | mail-archive | 0 | | 1874 | 4899 | prototype | 0 | | 1875 | 4899 | hyperkitty | 1 | +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ 4 rows in set (0.001 sec) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2022-09-20 14:44:17 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/jewishlife(a)caltech.edu/held?count=10&page=1 => Traceback (most recent call last): File "falcon/app.py", line 365, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 182, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in _make_collection entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in <listcomp> entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 173, in _resource_as_dict assert resource is not None, resource AssertionError: None

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Re: 404 on fresh install (Debian11)
by Stephen Turnbull 29 Mar '23

29 Mar '23

Sorry about breaking the thread, institution system "upgrade" to O365 broke my world so I'm cutting and pasting into Outlook. comprepair_jimberg--- via Mailman-users writes: > Can you setup Mailman3 for me? I have done apt install > mailman3-full but I have no clue whaat I am doing. You should seriously consider either going for a managed host or hiring somebody. Unfortunately, you're asking a bit much for volunteer help. The problem is that Debian uses the FHS layout with the system Python,while we core devs recommend and use a self-contained "virtual environment" with an /opt-style layout. Debian also applies patches that may or may not be backports from more recent versions. We just don't know what's going to go wrong on a distro install. Mailman also has dependencies on several system components (webserver, mailserver, WSGI implementation, SQL database, text indexer) which each come in multiple flavors, but the range of combinations we're familiar with is limited and may not even include the Debian default list. Once you have a working Mailman installation we'll be happy to help you tune it, though. (And you don't need core devs for that anyway, other Mailman site admins who hang out here can often help as well as well as we can.) We are much more likely to have knowledge and experience to help with a virtual environment install as described in https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… Here's an alternative, "from the ground up" step by step description of a specific combination of components: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 I think it should work just fine for Debian 11 as well. The author of "Mailman3 On Debian10" was a hosting and mailing list service provider, and used this recipe for all his hosts. Regards, Steve

1 0

Sending a message to a subscription applicant when a subscription request is made
by Allan Hansen 29 Mar '23

29 Mar '23

Dear Mailman 3 wizards, Our subscription process requires that the applicant answers a few questions and sends them to the list moderator. Not having a template that gets sent on all subscribe requests, I'm using the 'list:admin:action:subscribe' template. This gets sent to the list moderator, who then sends it forward to the applicant. This is rather tedious. I would like the template to be sent directly to the applicant. There is a template, 'list:user:action:subscribe' that almost does this, but it gets sent only if the email address of the applicant is unverified. A good number of our applicants are already on our lists, so they would not get this template if we set the Subscription Policy to 'Confirm, then moderate'. Our Subscription Policy is currently: 'Moderate' for all lists. I figure that three modifications can be used to fix this: a. That we change the lines in the Python program in our installation that send 'list:admin:action:subscribe' to the list admins to instead send the template to the applying subscriber. b. That we change the lines in the Python program in our installation that send 'list:user:action:subscribe' to the subscriber with an unverified address to always do this, even when the incoming address has already been verified. c. That the current 'list:user:action:subscribe' be changed in published Mailman 3 source to 'list:user:action:confirm' and a new template ''list:user:action:subscribe' be set up to be sent when any subscribe request is made. This is more work, of course, so not likely a good thing to hack locally. It could be useful to other users. Any suggestions on how to best and most quickly do the above would be appreciated, starting with (a.) or (b.). Clearly, (a.) and (b.), if we do one of those, are hacks that will need to be applied upon Mailman updates. That's fine by me, as I'm in rush to get this done. I'd welcome pointers as to which file to change and how. Of these two options, which would be the least work? (c.) could be entered as a longer-term enhancement request. I can submit that request if you like. Yours, Allan Hansen P.S.: Thank you for the enhancement that lets moderators see the member lists. It has been a big help for us. GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:VWy26K4pUfU4jw@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass

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404 on fresh install (Debian11)
by thomas＠lydra.fr 29 Mar '23

29 Mar '23

Hello, very new to mailman3, I used to manage mailman2 on a Debian 10 server. The server has been upgraded to Debian 11 and mailman2 disappear… I try fresh install of mailman3, prerequisite to data migration, but without success. If some can help, I would be really greatful. Here is my path: - `mailman3-full` install with apt. MySQL config since I have this DBMS - `python3-pymysql` install with apt after seeing errors in logs - Apache2 configuration (other virtual hosts are present) ```apache2 <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName newsletter.mydomain.tld Alias /static /var/lib/mailman3/web/static Alias /favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico DocumentRoot /var/lib/mailman3/web/static <Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static"> Require all granted </Directory> ProxyPassMatch ^/static ! ProxyPass / http://localhost:8001/ ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8001/ ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_error.log CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_access.log combined </VirtualHost> ``` And now I have a 404 answer when consulting my http page. When trying to access `/static` sub-path, I get `Cannot serve directory /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/admin/: No matching DirectoryIndex found`. I also tried `ProxyPass / unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost` but also fails with `No protocol handler was valid for the URL / (scheme 'uwsgi')` I am a bit lost with that. Thanks for your help

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NGINX reports 502 after fresh install
by Mailman 28 Mar '23

28 Mar '23

Hi All, I'm working my way through the recommended installation in a Python virtual environment. I seem to have the components installed and working but when I try to access the web interface I receive an error 502 from the web server. I'm assuming I've misconfigured something in Nginx. What details are needed for a diagnosis? Thanks, Chris P

2 1

Social signup?
by Duane Raymond 28 Mar '23

28 Mar '23

Hi everyone, Is there a way to enable social signup (vs just login for existing users)? I've just implemented social login on my mailman lists, but realised it seems to be only login, and not signup...or at least I couldn't fine specific info to enable social signup. Is social signup something anyone has implemented (and if so how). If not, I suspect there might be a good reason (e.g. privacy, security, etc) but I'd love to hear it :-) Duane

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Mailman 3 database restore unexpected behavior
by Tibor Molnar 28 Mar '23

28 Mar '23

Mailman3 built from source using virtual environment. Version: GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg Issue: I have restored the database number of times recently and experienced that every time after restoration (an hour after) all members getting an email that they are unsubscribed due to bounces, however non of the users are actually unsubscribed from any lists. It looks like there are duplicates in database and all the duplicates are getting unsubscribed? Bounces message: name(a)email.com unsubscribed from [listname] mailing list due to bounces Only restoring two files: mailman3 and mailman3web Did anyone come acroos this behavior ? It is not right that after restoring a database all 1000 user get an email that they are unsubscribed, but they are actually not. I may do something wrong during the restoring process. Please advise me.

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How to list all nonmembers from a list?
by Jens Günther 28 Mar '23

28 Mar '23

Hey there, I wanted to list all nonmembers from a list, I just can't find an easy way to do it. For listing members of a list it is quite clear: mailman members $mylist Is there a similar way for nonmembers!? Actually I'm pretty sure, that one can do it with the shell and I found some documentation on that. But I'm kind of a noob in these things and already tried a little around, but can't get anything to work: dump_members(mlist.nonmembers.members) from https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… Help qould be highly appreciated, thanks in advance! Jens.

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Is it possible to give the supporter team list administrator rights to all lists
by Henrik Rasmussen 27 Mar '23

27 Mar '23

Having everyone in our support team logging in using the same Mailman system administrator account is obviously far from good practice. Therefore, as the Mailman system administrator, all support is on my shoulders. Is there any way to create an administrator account for each supporter, so they can support the list administrators with their lists, without having access rights to the full system, as the Mailman list administrator have? If not, I would have to make a workaround, programmatically (API) granting every supporter owner access to every list. Your sincerely Henrik Rasmussen System administrator University of Copenhagen

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Installing Mailman for the first time
by comprepair_jimberg＠icloud.com 25 Mar '23

25 Mar '23

I am running Debian 11 Server and wanting to install Mailman 3 Will this work for what I am trying to do? https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 If not is there a shorter list of steps to accomplish what I am trying to do? Jim

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Subscription requests = 0 ? Bug or feature?
by Odhiambo Washington 24 Mar '23

24 Mar '23

Even though I have a "Pending confirmation" request, the total entries under the subscription requests reads zero. I thought it should read whatever the total of (pending confirmation + pending approval) is. https://imgur.com/a/jq9B44S -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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moving individual list to different domain
by Johannes Rohr 22 Mar '23

22 Mar '23

Dear all, on mailman2 it was possible to move a list to a different domain within the same mailman instance. I have found no information on how the same can be accomplished on mailman3. Is this possible at all? Thanks! Johannes

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Subscription Requests
by Odhiambo Washington 22 Mar '23

22 Mar '23

It would be nice to have a "Submission Date" field added to the table for both requests "pending confirmation" and "pending approval" the same way we have a hold_date for held messages. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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eccentric setup question
by Jeff Berry 21 Mar '23

21 Mar '23

Good morning all, we've got a somewhat eccentric setup for our mailman installation, and we're having difficulty getting some of the settings to work properly, so I'm hoping some one has some insight. Our server machine is hidden behind our firewall, with the actual machine name not availble via external DNS) and all the mail is being routed through an Exchange server. So mail to list(a)domain.com hits our exchange server, which sends it on to lists(a)listserver.domain.com The problem we're having is that if the mailman domain of the list is listserver.domain.com then spamfilters start to flag the mail since it looks like spoofing/malformed headers and so on. If the mailman domain is just domain.com then postfix rejects it with an unknown local recipient error. I though I might be able to just tweak the incoming mail headers in postfix via header_checks but that's not working, either because I've got the wrong check or it's the wrong approach, or both. postfix relay_domains might do it, I think, but if it maps listserver.domain.com to domain.com that would break the listserver domain mailing lists (I think). Is there a canonical way to do this and/or have I missed some obvious configuration option in either mailman or postfix? Kind regards, Jeff Berry jeff.berry(a)mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk

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Need help setting up mailman3 on ubuntu 20.04...
by Marisa Giancarla 20 Mar '23

20 Mar '23

I'm trying to get mailman3 up on ubuntu using the debian package. I did the "apt install mailman3-full" and it does seem to have installed as both the mailman3 & mailman3-web processes are running. I can use "mailman create" in the command-line and "mailman lists" displays the lists I created. What I am having issues with is I don't see any entries in/etc/aliases, and I don't know how to access the web interface (as either admin or user). Can someone point me to what I need to do to finish it? Thanks, Marisa

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New year releases!
by Abhilash Raj 18 Mar '23

18 Mar '23

Hello Everyone, Happy new year! I am pleased to announce several new releases for GNU Mailman project. 1. Mailman Core 3.3.8 [1] 2. Postorius 1.3.8 [2] 3. Hyperkitty 1.3.7 [3] 4. Mailmanclient 3.3.5 [4] 5. Django-mailman3 1.3.9 [5] 6. Mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1 [6] All the releases are published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ A full list of change logs are available below: [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [2]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-8 [3]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-7 [4]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… [5]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst [6]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/-/blob/master/README.rst Finally, the minimum Python version required is 3.7, and all the components now support Python 3.7 to 3.11. Thanks to all the contributors for making this release possible! If you find any issues, you can report them at the respective bug tracker for the projects. The links to issue trackers are available here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ Installation documentation is available at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html and if you are upgrading an existing virtualenv install you can refer https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Pd CRON mailman gatenews
by Pierre Malard 18 Mar '23

18 Mar '23

Hello, Our infrastructure: VM Debian 11 Mailman3 3.3.3-1 from BullsEye Main repository We have recently been receiving this kind of messages from CRON with the execution of "mailman gatenews" : —————————————————————————————————————————————————— Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 321, in lock os.link <http://os.link/>(self._claimfile, self._lockfile) FileExistsError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck|listesman.int.cines.teledetection.fr <http://listesman.int.cines.teledetection.fr/>|466566|5365511256557879875' -> '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.3', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 829, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 781, in main with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 700, in make_context self.parse_args(ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1212, in parse_args rest = Command.parse_args(self, ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1048, in parse_args value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1630, in handle_parse_result value = invoke_param_callback(self.callback, ctx, self, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 123, in invoke_param_callback return callback(ctx, param, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 94, in initialize_config initialize(value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 218, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 177, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 50, in create with Lock(os.path.join(config.LOCK_DIR, 'dbcreate.lck')): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 439, in __enter__ self.lock() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 353, in lock elif self._read() == self._claimfile: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 502, in _read with open(self._lockfile) as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck' —————————————————————————————————————————————————— CRON content: —————————————————————————————————————————————————— # /etc/cron.d/mailman3: crontab entries for the mailman3 package SHELL=/bin/sh PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin # At 8AM, send out notifices of pending requests to list moderators 0 8 * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman notify; fi # At 12AM, send mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshold delivery 0 12 * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman digests --periodic; fi # Every 15 minutes, gate messages from usenet to those lists which have the gateway configured */15 * * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman gatenews; fi —————————————————————————————————————————————————— I thought, given the last line, a problem of rights. It is not the case ! The directory and the files contained in /var/lib/mailman3/locks belong to the user "list". When I run "/usr/bin/mailman gatenews" by hand everything is correct. The questions I have are these: We have 8000 files "dbcreate.lck..." in the directory "/var/lib/mailman3/locks". What are they for? Can we delete them? We have 2 files "master.lck..." dated from the day after tomorrow ! What is this date? Aren't these files the problem? Thanks for your help -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France À propos de nos chers économistes : «Les habiles, dans notre siècle, se sont décernés a eux-mêmes la qualification d’homme d’état. [...] ces politiques, ingénieux a mettre aux fictions profitables un masque de nécessité.» Victor Hugo : “Les misérables”, La pléiade, Gallimard, P. 843 |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France «Le courage, c'est de chercher la vérité et de la dire, c'est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.» Jean Jaures - "Discours de jeunesse" - 1903 ("`-/")_.-'"``-._ . . `; -._ )-;-,_`) (v_,)' _ )`-.\ ``-' _.- _..-_/ / ((.' ((,.-' ((,/ πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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IndexError in archiving queue
by Jacob Sievert 16 Mar '23

16 Mar '23

Hello, it seems I have forgotten where I can kick an email out of the archiving queue as it produces this error in a loop. Might one of you know where I can do that? Thanks in advance. Error for reference: ``` During handling of the above exception (expected atom at a start of dot-atom-text but found '[a9920f8aa52d4a9093e21255f8fb2673-JFBVALKQOJXWILKCJQZFA7CJIFGVGU2QKJ6FGU2QKJCW2YLJNR6EK6DPKNWXI4A=(a)microsoft.com]>'), another exception occurred: File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py", line 43, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 117, in _decorator return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py", line 54, in wrapped_view return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 163, in archive add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py", line 65, in add_to_list msg_id = get_message_id(message) File "/usr/local/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 60, in get_message_id msg_id = email.utils.unquote(re.sub(r'\s', '', message['Message-Id'])) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/message.py", line 391, in __getitem__ the values matching a header field name. File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/message.py", line 471, in get for k, v in self._headers: File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/policy.py", line 163, in header_fetch_parse return self.header_factory(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/headerregistry.py", line 601, in __call__ return self[name](name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/headerregistry.py", line 196, in __new__ cls.parse(value, kwds) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/headerregistry.py", line 529, in parse kwds['parse_tree'] = parse_tree = cls.value_parser(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2126, in parse_message_id token, value = get_msg_id(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2073, in get_msg_id token, value = get_obs_local_part(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1516, in get_obs_local_part if (obs_local_part[0].token_type == 'dot' or ``` regards Jacob

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problem configuring mailman3 on debian bullseye
by Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione territoriale di Brescia 16 Mar '23

16 Mar '23

Hello all, I'm a blind server administrator living in Italy. I use mailman since 2010 and I was very happy for this list manager. When was released the version 3 I started to have many problems to configure it. In this days I installed a new server for my association and I have this problem that I don't know to solve. The server is a debian bullseye. I installed mailman3-full from the standard packege. I'm using nginx as web server. I configured mailman3 and mailman3-web wit https support. All is working fine, but if I attempt to subscribe someone it does not work. I send a subscription e-mail to the address list and I receive correctly the request to confirm subscription. When I reply to the request mailman log gives this error: requests.exceptions.SSLError: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /postorius/api/templates/list/listname.domain/list:user:notice:welcome (Caused by SSLError(SSLCertVerificationError("hostname 'localhost' doesn't match either of 'example.com', 'www.example.com'"))) The strange thing is that I configured a domain list.example.com and in the configuration files I put this domain. Mailman3-web works fine I can create lists and make settings. Have you an idea about this issue? Thanks -- Roberto Burceni Servizio informatico sezionale Tel. 0302209417 (lunedì e giovedì mattina dalle 9:00 alle 13:00, martedì emercoledì pomeriggio dalle 14:00 alle 18:00 E-mail: servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it Sito web: https://www.uicibrescia.it

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Change 'from' server for outgoing messages
by Benjamin Goldberg 12 Mar '23

12 Mar '23

Hi. I'm running mailman3 on a VPS. The hostname of the VPS is not the hostname that I'm using for mailman3. The webapp is using an Apache Virtual host. I am routing outgoing emails through a third-party smtp relay. The VPS hostname is smart.bnmng.com and the mailing list hostname is 757pug.org Signup confirmation and welcome emails are working. They appear to be coming from the intended host, which is 757pug.org But emails from the mailing lists are being blocked by the smtp relay. I think it's because they are not coming from 757pug.org; They are coming from smart.bnmng.com All of the mailinglists' mail_host fields are correct, 757pug.org from mailman.cfg: incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: smtp.mailersend.net smtp_port: 587 smtp_secure_mode: starttls smtp_user: (my relay service username) smtp_pass: (my relay service password) from settings.py: DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'admin(a)757pug.org' SERVER_EMAIL = 'admin(a)757pug.org' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'smtp.mailersend.net' EMAIL_USE_TLS = True EMAIL_PORT = 587 EMAIL_HOST_USER = (my relay service username) EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = (my relay service password) So it seems like mailman core is not using the mail_host field. How can I fix that? Thank you

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MM2 -> MM3 Migration: listinfo page
by Odhiambo Washington 10 Mar '23

10 Mar '23

I have migrated from MM2 to MM3. However, writing HTML is not one of my strengths. I need to edit my MM2 listinfo page to: a. Remove everything below the "Subscribing to LISTNAME" heading and below that add a link to the new http://WEBSERVER/accounts/signup/ which ideally should open on a new browser tab. b. Add a link to the new archives at https://WEBSERVER/archives/list/$list_id/ For those who have migrated from MM2 to MM3, does someone have an elegantly modified listinfo page they are willing to share? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Where to configure 'hostname' used in 'From:'-header?
by Dmitri Heerdegen 10 Mar '23

10 Mar '23

Hello, I've recently installed MM3 with Exim4 on, say, subdomain.myhost.tld and configured MM3 to use lists.someotherdomain.tld as web host and mail host. Thus, the mailman.cfg contains: [mta] smtp_host: lists.someotherdomain.tld When I send a message to test(a)lists.someotherdomain.tld it gets delivered, however the 'From:'-header becomes "test(a)subdomain.myhost.tld".

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Mailing list resends same email multiple times
by 朱超 10 Mar '23

10 Mar '23

Hello, I need your help. There have question about Scenes: Add mailbox a and mailbox b to mailing lists c and mailing lists d, and send mail to mailing list c and mailing list d through mailbox b , among which a has received many mails sent by b, check the log and find: The file about path:/opt/mailman /var/queue/bounces has the content of retrying mail, but I turned off process bounces. Mailing list sends mail via exim, logs found in exim： 023-03-09 00:54:47 1pa4YR-001xk5-0y <= <> R=1pa4YM-001xje-1F U=exim P=local S=7672 T="Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender" from <> Thanks TomNewChao

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Attack on Mailman Server?
by Eggert Ehmke 09 Mar '23

09 Mar '23

I had some attacks on my wordpress homepage today, I added some IPs to the blacklist of my firewall. At the same time, I got several reports like this: Internal Server Error: /accounts/signup/ TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/signup/ 429.html Request Method: OPTIONS Request URL: https://lists.eehmke.de/accounts/signup/ Django Version: 3.2.16 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/ python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/ python3.9/site-packages'] Server time: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 13:09:34 +0100 So it seems there were attempts to register new users but this caused this internal error. Where can I send the complete error message?

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Permissions issue after upgrade of virtualenv
by Odhiambo Washington 09 Mar '23

09 Mar '23

Ola, So I installed a new virtualenv using Python3.11, kept all settings intact, copied /opt/mailman/mmvar from the old virtualenv to the new one. Trying to access Postorius, I am greeted with this error: Thu Mar 09 22:17:59.313459 2023] [core:error] [pid 15655] (13)Permission denied: [client 197.232.xx.xx:26574] AH00035: access to / denied (filesystem path '/opt/mailman/mm') because search permissions are missing on a component of the path, referer: https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/ I did not change Apache config and I made sure that /opt/mailman is all owned by mailman:mailman. What am I missing? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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mail for lists.ccalternatives.org loops back to myself, then Recipient address rejected
by Christian Stalberg 08 Mar '23

08 Mar '23

Environment: Debian 10; Postfix 3.4.14; GNU Mailman 3.3.5; Mailman Core API Version 3.1; Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3 Digging a hole after having simply created a new mailing list. This has not happened before. Steps taken: -Created list via web interface -Added subscribers via web interface -Sent email to listname -Received error bounce: This is the mail system at host zarathustra.ccalternatives.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: mail for lists.ccalternatives.org loops back to myself -Added lists.ccalternatives.org to the mydestination line in /etc/postfix/main.cf and restarted Postfix -Now a new error message: <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: host lists.ccalternatives.org[192.46.218.224] said: 550 5.1.1 <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table (in reply to RCPT TO command)

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bounce_score_threshold control
by Tibor Molnar 08 Mar '23

08 Mar '23

Hi guys, I have recently started receiving these mails from the system. First it was frighting me out that people's account got disabled, but actually nothing has happened, nobody got disabled. I however looking to figure out how can I control or change settings for this particular mechanism. Please advise me. emailname(a)example.it's subscription has been disabled on listname(a)domain.eu due to their bounce score exceeding the mailing list's bounce_score_threshold. Regards, Tibor

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MM3+Python3.11
by Odhiambo Washington 07 Mar '23

07 Mar '23

Has MM3 been tested with Python3.11? I updated a Debian VM to Python3.11, installed MM3 and migrated the configs. However, I am unable to get past the following error: root@debian:/home/wash# less /opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log worker 2 buried after 1 seconds goodbye to uWSGI. *** Starting uWSGI 2.0.21 (64bit) on [Mon Mar 6 14:27:20 2023] *** compiled with version: 10.2.1 20210110 on 21 February 2023 07:16:19 os: Linux-6.1.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.12-1 (2023-02-15) nodename: debian machine: x86_64 clock source: unix detected number of CPU cores: 16 current working directory: / writing pidfile to /opt/mailman/mm/var/uwsgi.pid detected binary path: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi !!! no internal routing support, rebuild with pcre support !!! your processes number limit is 31427 your memory page size is 4096 bytes detected max file descriptor number: 1024 lock engine: pthread robust mutexes thunder lock: disabled (you can enable it with --thunder-lock) uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8000 fd 8 uwsgi socket 1 bound to UNIX address /opt/mailman/mm/var/uwsgi.sock fd 9 Python version: 3.11.2 (main, Feb 21 2023, 02:03:40) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] PEP 405 virtualenv detected: /opt/mailman/venv/ Set PythonHome to /opt/mailman/venv/ Python main interpreter initialized at 0x560130dd7df8 python threads support enabled your server socket listen backlog is limited to 100 connections your mercy for graceful operations on workers is 60 seconds mapped 250128 bytes (244 KB) for 4 cores *** Operational MODE: preforking+threaded *** Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/wsgi.py", line 10, in <module> from django.core.wsgi import get_wsgi_application File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 1, in <module> from django.utils.version import get_version File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/utils/version.py", line 1, in <module> import datetime File "/usr/lib/python3.11/datetime.py", line 12, in <module> import math as _math ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'math' unable to load app 0 (mountpoint='') (callable not found or import error) *** no app loaded. going in full dynamic mode *** *** uWSGI is running in multiple interpreter mode *** spawned uWSGI master process (pid: 117115) spawned uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 117118, cores: 2) spawned uWSGI worker 2 (pid: 117119, cores: 2) [uwsgi-daemons] spawning "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster" (uid: 1001 gid: 1001) 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Q Cluster vegan-arizona-massachusetts-texas starting. 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 117129 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 117130 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 ready for work at 117131 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 ready for work at 117132 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:5 ready for work at 117133 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:6 ready for work at 117134 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:7 ready for work at 117135 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:8 ready for work at 117136 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:9 ready for work at 117137 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:10 ready for work at 117138 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:11 ready for work at 117139 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:12 ready for work at 117140 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:13 ready for work at 117141 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:14 ready for work at 117142 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:15 ready for work at 117143 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:16 ready for work at 117144 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:17 monitoring at 117145 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster vegan-arizona-massachusetts-texas 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Process-1:18 pushing tasks at 117146 11:27:20 [Q] INFO Q Cluster vegan-arizona-massachusetts-texas running. --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Question about the smtp log (rotation)
by David P Vanecek 07 Mar '23

07 Mar '23

I have been asked to take over the management of the mailman3 servers as the prior admin left little documentation. One of the first things I need to do is optimize the logging. Currently the mailman.log is being rotated and zipped by user list and kept 5 day. (this is fine but would like to increase it some) But the smtp log has not been rotated since August (also created by user list) I cannot seem to find what process does this and how I can modify it. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, [University of Nevada, Reno logo]<https://www.unr.edu/> David Vanecek Senior Server Administrator Office of Information Technology Work-phone: (775) 682-5065<tel:(775)%20682-5065> dvanecek(a)unr.edu<mailto:dvanecek@unr.edu> https://www.unr.edu/oit ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/jpeg Name: image001.jpg Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Cron Error: <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs monthly
by Odhiambo Washington 05 Mar '23

05 Mar '23

Is this a race condition? <CUT> ERROR OCCURED IN JOB: update_and_clean_index (APP: hyperkitty) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_extensions/management/commands/runjobs.py", line 40, in runjobs job().execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/jobs/update_and_clean_index.py", line 37, in execute run_with_lock(update_index, remove=True) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 181, in run_with_lock log.exception("Failed to update the fulltext index: %s", e) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 470, in __exit__ self.unlock() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 420, in unlock raise NotLockedError('Already unlocked') flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Already unlocked <CUT> -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Archiver Hyperkitty Not Found
by pat＠suwalski.net 04 Mar '23

04 Mar '23

Hello, I upgraded from Debian 10 to 11 today, and hyperkitty archiver stopped working. From the mailman.log: AssertionError: Archiver not found: hyperkitty I followed along on a related thread: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I don't see any resolution to that thread. The only thing that worked for me was removing the hyperkitty rows from the listarchiver table in the database. But of course, now I don't have working archiving. >>> from mailman.config import config >>> list(config.archivers) [<mailman.archiving.mhonarc.MHonArc object at 0x7fd64ea47310>, <mailman.archiving.mailarchive.MailArchive object at 0x7fd64ea47490>, <mailman.archiving.prototype.Prototype object at 0x7fd64ea47790>] Any ideas? How would I make the archiver available? This django stuff is infuriatingly difficult compared to other frameworks.

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URLs in moderation messages
by Tim Cutts 03 Mar '23

03 Mar '23

Hi, I’ve clearly got something wrong in my configuration, but I can’t work out what. All my URLs seem to have the “mailman3” part duplicated, i.e. Https://example.com/mailman3/mailman3/lists Is where I have to go to get a list of my mailing lists, which just doesn’t seem right. In my settings.py file I have: POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://example.com/mailman3/' If I change the value of this to just https://example.com/ it doesn’t change this, Where have I gone wrong? Tim

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ERROR: Can't load plugin sqlalchemy.dialects.postgres
by o.mankewitz＠gmail.com 03 Mar '23

03 Mar '23

Hi! I am trying to install Mailman3 using this tutorial/documentation: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 So far, so good. But running (venv) mailman@listserver: mailman info throws an error: sqlalchemy.exc.NoSuchModuleError: Can't load plugin: sqlalchemy.dialects:postgres First, I thought SQLAlchemy is missing, but: (venv) mailman@listserver: pip install sqlalchemy Requirement already satisfied: sqlalchemy in ./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages (2.0.4) Requirement already satisfied: typing-extensions>=4.2.0 in ./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages (from sqlalchemy) (4.5.0) Requirement already satisfied: greenlet!=0.4.17 in ./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages (from sqlalchemy) (2.0.2) How can I fix this? Thank you very much for your help. Regards

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ERROR sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) could not translate host name xxxx to address
by o.mankewitz＠gmail.com 03 Mar '23

03 Mar '23

Hi! The error above occurs when starting mailman. The xxxx shows a part from the database section of mailman.cfg. I followed the tutorial https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10. But since django and postgres changed some things, I had to fix some files of mailman3 to get it working. This is the part of mailman.cfg: [database] class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase url: postgresql://mailman:<mypassword>@localhost/mailman Full error: sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) could not translate host name "assword>@localhost" to address: Name or service not known How can I fix this? Thank you very much for your help. Regards,

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Postfix problem with imported Mailman2 list
by mailman3＠outofoptions.net 03 Mar '23

03 Mar '23

I installed and tested Mailman3. I imported a Mailman2 list. All looks good but I get this error. Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table; from=<hit(a)options.org> to=<atm(a)alist.net> The aliases seem to show up find in the GUI for the control panel software I use. Postfix virual file has a mapping of atm to atm(a)alist.net . It seems mailman at least sees the connection. From the smtp.log under mailman: `Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) recip: atm(a)alist.net Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) Data: b'DATA' Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) Data: b'QUIT' Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) ('127.0.0.1', 56410) connection lost Mar 02 10:14:13 2023 (1242405) Connection lost during _handle_client() Mar 02 10:53:13 2023 (1242405) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin)`

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GSOC 2023 mentors
by Stephen J. Turnbull 27 Feb '23

27 Feb '23

Hi everybody We still have no mentors for GSOC 2023. Last chance to sign up (with the Python Software Foundation org) is Feb 25. - You don't need to be a Mailman core dev or a Python guru. - Generic mail geeks welcome. - Code spelunking (ie, "grepping for error messages") is very desirable. - Some Python, obviously. - Experience using and preferably administering Mailman. - Opinions about existing bugs and new features a must, of course! ;-) Requires a couple hours a week, somewhat irregularly, from secondary mentors (you), more like 5-10 from primary mentor (me, and you if the bus factor comes into play). Anybody interested, let me know. If you have questions about it, please respond on-list so others can see. Steve

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Messages not picking up header or footer template
by benjamin＠tougshire.com 27 Feb '23

27 Feb '23

Hi I can't figure out how to get headers or footers on my messages Example: I create a footer in Postorius. The name in the form is '[list:member:regular:footer] - The footer for a regular (non-digest) message.' The data is 'Test Footer' I can see the entry in the database with the uri: http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/testing.comms.sdcvirginia… I can do a wget on that uri and download a copy of the footer, and it looks right But when I send a message to the list and the message is forwarded, the footer isn't on the messages that members receive Looking at mailman.log, I cannot see any attempt to access the footer. I can see connections to the REST API (config, roster/owner, roster/moderator) that correspond to the time I sent the message So what am I doing wrong? Thank you Ben

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Error downloading CSV for 1,300 members
by Jose Bernal 23 Feb '23

23 Feb '23

Any suggestions on troubleshooting downloading a modest-size CSV file for a list with 1,300 members? Clicking "CSV Export" on smaller lists works fine, but on this larger list I get this error in mailman-web.log: Thu Feb 23 10:03:32 2023 - uwsgi_response_write_body_do(): Broken pipe [core/writer.c line 429] during GET /mailman3/postorius/lists/ members.list.ocdla.org/csv_view/ (172.31.54.89) OSError: write error --------------------- José Bernal Web/Application Engineer Cell 541-228-8481 jbernal.web.dev(a)gmail.com

3 2

MM3 templates
by Odhiambo Washington 16 Feb '23

16 Feb '23

I followed this: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/901 I created a similar template which I placed in /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ I also restarted Mailman. However, when I test, the mail I get is not what I expected. The template used is different than the one referenced above. <CUT> From: < kictanet-confirm+e486c811933b179525ed673751e9b817c4b4b2e4(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 4:01 PM Subject: Your confirmation is needed to join the kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke mailing list. To: OdhiamboW <myaddress(a)outlook.com> Email Address Registration Confirmation Hello, this is the GNU Mailman server at lists.kictanet.or.ke. We have received a registration request for the email address myaddress(a)outlook.com Before you can start using GNU Mailman at this site, you must first confirm that this is your email address. You can do this by replying to this message. Or you should include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke: confirm e486c811933b179525ed673751e9b817c4b4b2e4 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers. If you do not wish to register this email address, simply disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, you may contact kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke </CUT> The part that has the URL from the referenced template is here. 1. Where is this template that the system used and can I edit it? 2. Why is it not using the template I created? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Multi-domain oddities in Hyperkitty and Postorius
by Jeremy Stanley 16 Feb '23

16 Feb '23

In the OpenDev Collaboratory we've got a bunch of separate Mailman 2.1 vhosts we've started migrating into a single Mailman 3.3.7 server, desiring to take full advantage of its improved multi-domain support. For the most part everything is working great (kudos to everyone who maintains the software and documentation, it's excellent). One of the things our users noticed fairly quickly was Hyperkitty on the second vhost was incorrectly showing the FQDN of the first vhost near the top of its pages. This is covered in the FAQ of course, and seems to imply that what we want is to switch the SITE_ID from 1 to 0 in our settings.py in order to take advantage of magic domain-guessing behavior. So far so good. Unfortunately, SITE_ID = 0 seems to explicitly require the addition of "mail hosts" (or "mail domains" from Django's perspective), and all the web routing returns error pages for any list sites besides the first one since, by default, our server did not have these predefined. What's odd is that, if I log into Postorius as admin and visit the "manage domains" page, suddenly the database gets populated with mail hosts for all of the FQDNs associated with our imported mailing lists. I would not have expected merely visiting that page as an admin to have a side effect of adding entries for the "missing" mail hosts, is that an intentional behavior or merely a bug? Once these entries are automatically added by visiting that page, they're all associated with the one "web host" ("site" in Django) we have for the server, and now the list filtering functionality in Postorius breaks and any of the vhosts all display the full set of mailing lists on the server rather than only those associated with a particular vhost (note that this seems to only be confusing Postorius, Hyperkitty has them correctly filtered still). Okay, so it looks like this is because the mail hosts are all tied to the one web host. We can create additional "sites" in the Django admin UI and then switch the association of the mail hosts to those distinct web hosts. But after doing so, the first vhost still seems to show an unfiltered list of all lists in Postorius (Hyperkitty continues to be fine), while Postorius on the other vhosts correctly shows their filtered sets of lists instead. I also noticed when mailman-web is starting up, its log claims the first site is being set as the "default domain," so have to wonder if that's related to this behavior. Should we create an extra web host to serve as the "default" so that all our typical vhosts get the expected list filtering behavior, or am I completely off-base and there's a much better approach I've missed? Sorry this is so long, I feel like I have at most a tenuous grasp of the details and variables involved, but hopefully it makes sense to someone. Thanks in advance for any recommendations or guidance. -- Jeremy Stanley

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Multiple domain problem
by Lars Bjørndal 14 Feb '23

14 Feb '23

Hi, list! I have lists on two domains, example1.com and example2.com. The mail interface works perfectly. However, connecting a browser to example1.com, I get the title List index - example1.com, and the web interface seems to work fine. If I connect to example2.com, the title is example2.com, without the preceding List index. And the body says Page not found. I can't find anything in the logs that tells me the reason. SITE_ID is set to 0. Any idea? Thanks in advance, Lars

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Templates location on the file system
by Odhiambo Washington 14 Feb '23

14 Feb '23

I am reading this: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/901#note_578684415 However, I cannot make heads or tails on what is meant by <LC>. Please help :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Mailman-web showing "An error occurred while processing your request."
by C. Souza 09 Feb '23

09 Feb '23

I'm trying to manage 2 held messages in a specific list and I'm getting this error below when I click on /held_messages. It never happened before. My versions are: (venv) [mailman@listas ~]$ pip list -o | grep -E 'posto|hyper|mailma|djang' Package Version Latest Type ------------------- --------- ---------- ----- django-allauth 0.44.0 0.52.0 sdist django-appconf 1.0.4 1.0.5 wheel django-compressor 2.4 4.3.1 wheel django-extensions 3.1.0 3.2.1 wheel django-haystack 3.0 3.2.1 sdist django-mailman3 1.3.5 1.3.9 sdist django-picklefield 3.0.1 3.1 wheel django-q 1.3.4 1.3.9 wheel djangorestframework 3.12.2 3.14.0 wheel mailman 3.3.2 3.3.8 sdist mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 1.2.1 sdist mailman-web 0.0.3 0.0.5 wheel mailmanclient 3.3.2 3.3.5 sdist postorius 1.3.3 1.3.8 sdist ==> mailmanweb.log <== ERROR 2023-02-08 16:01:30,149 1516 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/mylist.domain.com/held_messages Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 21, in _wrapped_view return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 60, in wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 531, in list_moderation return render(request, 'postorius/lists/held_messages.html', context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 19, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 62, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 309, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 209, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 986, in render output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 697, in resolve new_obj = func(obj, *arg_vals) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/templatetags/date_helpers.py", line 30, in datetime_parse return parse_datetime(value) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/utils/dateparse.py", line 107, in parse_datetime match = datetime_re.match(value) TypeError: expected string or bytes-like object

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Installed but mailman reports missing hyperkitty module
by jbernal.web.dev＠gmail.com 09 Feb '23

09 Feb '23

I've opted for the Mailman3 package installation on Ubuntu 22 LTS on top of a manually installed Mailman3 core package from the Ubuntu 20 Debian repository. Everything is working great on my installation. However, if I try to enable hyperkitty in /etc/mailman.cfg postorius reports 500 status codes on all pages. /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log reports this error: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman3_hyperkitty' Any idea why postorius can't seem to find the installed hyperkitty module? Stack trace: 2023-02-08 12:48:14 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/test.listdev.ocdla.org/archivers => Traceback (most recent call last): File "falcon/app.py", line 361, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 405, in on_get archiver_set = IListArchiverSet(self._mlist) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 156, in adapter_hook return sitemanager.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/registry.py", line 354, in queryAdapter return self.adapters.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 614, in __init__ for archiver in config.archivers: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 280, in archivers archiver = call_name(class_path) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 69, in call_name named_callable = find_name(dotted_name) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 52, in find_name module = import_module(module_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1050, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1027, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1004, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman3_hyperkitty'

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settings sanity check
by Odhiambo Washington 08 Feb '23

08 Feb '23

Does mailman-web do sanity checks in settings.py? Suppose I have the following: Q_CLUSTER = { 'name': 'mailman3-web', 'workers': 8, 'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', } Q_CLUSTER = { 'retry': 320, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', } Which setting will it go with? And why doesn't it complain about a setting being made 2x? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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