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Does anyone have a working DKIM/ARC configuration?
by Philip Colmer Sept. 16, 2021

Sept. 16, 2021

I've configured a Mailman 3 server with Postfix and added OpenDKIM to the latter to provide the DKIM headers, and configured Mailman to provide the ARC headers. However, in sending test messages to a mailbox hosted by Microsoft, I'm seeing a header like this: ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass (sender ip is 1.2.3.4) smtp.rcpttodomain=destination.org smtp.mailfrom=mmserver.org; dmarc=bestguesspass action=none header.from=mmserver.org; dkim=test (signature was verified) header.d=mmserver.org; dkim=fail (signature did not verify) header.d=sender.org; arc=fail (47) (I've changed the domains and IP address) Manually sending an email from the server to the same external email address does give me an email with a valid DKIM header: Authentication-Results: spf=pass (sender IP is 1.2.3.4) smtp.mailfrom=mmserver.org; destination.org; dkim=test (signature was verified) header.d=mmserver.org;destination.org; dmarc=bestguesspass action=none header.from=mmserver.org;compauth=pass reason=109 So I'm unclear as to where the problem may lie ... Hence the question: does anyone have Mailman 3 + Postfix working successfully with DKIM and ARC? Thanks. Philip

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Are the gitlab repositories kept in sync?
by Brett Delmage Sept. 13, 2021

Sept. 13, 2021

See https://gitlab.com/search?search=mailman&group_id=&project_id=&snippets=fal… I see that core is update frequently but other packages such as Mailman web have not been. mailman-suite is two weeks old. Mailman Web has not been updated for wo weeks. Does that mean I can download that Postorius and it will work with the latest mailman core updated in the past day? I expect that most changes don't break interfaces. Is that correct? Brett

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Installation - creating the mailman.cfg permissions
by Mark Dale Sept. 13, 2021

Sept. 13, 2021

https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… Following the instructions (at the above URL) to create the mailman.cfg, I'm getting a permissions problem when trying to do so as user "mailman" . Although the instructions say to create the file as user "mailman", should it be created by root (with/without virtualenv?) and then chown to "mailman"? ***** Make sure that you are running commands as mailman user from here forth. root@mx:/# su mailman Create the virtualenv for Mailman: mailman@mx:/$ cd /opt/mailman mailman@mx:~$ python3 -m venv venv Activate the created virtualenv: mailman@mx:~$ source /opt/mailman/venv/bin/activate The rest of this documentation assumes that virtualenv is activated. Installing Mailman Core (venv) mailman@mx:~$ pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary ...Successfully installed... After this, create a configuration file at /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg for Mailman Core: (venv) mailman@mx:~$ nano /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg [ Directory '/etc/mailman3' does not exist ] (venv) mailman@mx:~$ mkdir /etc/mailman3 mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/etc/mailman3’: Permission denied *****

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External Mail-Server?
by Florian Schulze Sept. 12, 2021

Sept. 12, 2021

Hi! Is it possible to use an external Mail-Server? Does mailman3 support that directly, or would I have to setup a local MTA which somehow fetches incoming mails from the external inbox and uses the external Mail-Server for delivery? Does anyone do that and have example configurations? Regards, Florian Schulze

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User authentication against IMAP or AD
by Adam Minski Sept. 10, 2021

Sept. 10, 2021

Hello, is there any supported way to authenticate users against IMAP or Microsoft Active Directory? As a workaround I thought about a OpenID-IMAP or OpenID-AD Bridge, are there any experiences? Thx.

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New messages not being archived
by Sarah H Sept. 7, 2021

Sept. 7, 2021

I have 2 active lists that are properly mailing out and working, plus an admin testing list that is as well. The list info pane correctly shows the mail volume and the imported archives from the previous 2.1 installation are present for both active lists. None of the 3 lists are generating new entries in the archive, all 3 are set up with default settings except 1 active and admin are set to private. I know that hyperkitty is showing some new content as admin was created in postorius and the list is present in hyperkitty and working in mailman. None of the logs show anything of note, mailmanweb.log has no new entries since it caused a serious issue when I changed the domain, uwsgi-error is the same and uwsgi.log has proper access logs. When trying to add a new thread via the hyperkitty interface I can see the email go through the maillog, I get the email with the entered content and everything else works, it just doesn't add a new thread to the archive. The installation is set up with the default settings from the virtualenv installation guide. Any assistance would be appreciated.

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Mailman container images 0.3.12 is now out
by Abhilash Raj Sept. 5, 2021

Sept. 5, 2021

Hey Everyone, I have just tagged release 0.3.12 on Github for container images for Mailman 3[1]. This release includes the fix for CVE-2021-40347 that was announced earlier today. For the folks using 0.3 or 0.3.11 release tags, it is highly recommended that you upgrade to this release. This release also bumps the version of Mailman Core to 3.3.4, Mailmanclient to 3.3.3 and Django-mailman3 to 1.3.7. Note that is since the main and v0.3.12 branches are different in many ways, the default documentation[2] and the docker-compose.yaml files in the main branch aren't accurate if you are using the stable release. Please refer to the README[3] at v0.3.12 tag in the Github repo for more accurate docker-compose.yaml and documentation. The project has grown large enough that we need to start versioning the documentation, if someone has experience with versioning docs using Github pages and mkdocs, then I very much need some help here! For those of you who are using the rolling release, it is recommended that you **don't** upgrade to this stable release. The fixes have been pulled into the rolling tags too, so just make sure that you upgrade to the latest published version of rolling release, which as of this writing should be based off on fda837f8d15540e190992c30f7971f50fca54dac commit[4]. This might not be the latest by the time you upgrade if I add a new commit, so look for versions published after 4:00 PM PST 9/5/2021. I am also working on cutting a new release, 0.4.0, which is backwards incompatible with the setup required to talk to web server and MTA (hence the minor version bump!). That should bring the rolling releases and stable releases closer to each other and add improvements around not needing static IPs in the docker network anymore, plus several bug fixes. If someone wants to test the upgrade to 0.4.0 from 0.3 release and is willing to try out the instructions at [5], it would give me some confidence in cutting out the release sooner. The only thing stopping the release of 0.4.0 images is that I haven't verified if the upgrade from 0.3 is documented enough or not. For all the registries listed in README[6], I am still trying to push to Quay (maybe I need to just skip pushing to Quay :-). So, just use the other two to pull the images, Github (ghcr.io) has more generous pull download policy for un-authenticated users though. [1]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/releases/tag/v0.3.12 [2]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ [3]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/tree/v0.3.12 [4]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/commit/fda837f8d15540e190992c30f7… [5]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/news/#upgrading-to-040-release [6]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman#container-registries -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Hosting
by mail＠peterowens.com.au Sept. 5, 2021

Sept. 5, 2021

Hi Does anyone know of a server provider offering Mailman3 hosting in Australia? Or a reliable provider OS thanks Peter

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New vulnerability in Hyperkitty master branch
by Abhilash Raj Sept. 5, 2021

Sept. 5, 2021

Hey Everyone, A new vulnerability was reported against Hyperkitty’s git master branch branch which can expose the archives of a private Mailing List through the new Feeds API that was added to Hyperkitty recently to someone who isn't a member or logged-in. Thanks to Ngo Wei Lin for reporting this vulnerability. This bug does not affect any stable released version of Hyperkitty and only affects installations from source (1.3.5b1 version). To differentiate from the vulnerable version, I have bumped the version in master branch to 1.3.5b2, so if you have 1.3.5b1 installed, you should upgrade! The fix for this bug has been committed to master branch[1][2] less than an hour ago as of this writing. If you are using git branches to install Hyperkitty, you can upgrade using the following command: $ pip install --upgrade git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty@master I have also triggered a build for Mailman container images[3] with this changes, so if you are using the rolling container images (which are the only affected ones), then you should upgrade to the latest one when the build[1] finishes (approximately in next 30mins). Do note that this version of rolling release of mailman-web image also includes the fix for the vulnerability announced against Postoruis earlier today. You can verify that you have the fixed version of Hyperkitty in the image by running: $ docker run -it --entrypoint bash maxking/mailman-web:rolling bash-5.0# pip list | grep HyperKitty HyperKitty 1.3.5b2 Ensure that you get 1.3.5b2 version. [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/362 [2]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/commit/ed086015acbf66ba377e2af7f6e7… [3]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/runs/3519658592 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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CVE-2021-40347: New security release for Postorius
by Abhilash Raj Sept. 5, 2021

Sept. 5, 2021

Everyone, A security vulnerability was reported against Postorius recently which allows any logged-in user to unsubscribe any other member on any other list on same Mailman installation using a specially crafted POST request due to a missing ownership check. This has been assigned CVE-2021-40347. This affects all past versions of Postorius including 1.0.0. Thanks to Kunal Mehta for the security report and a quick patch to fix the vulnerability. I am also attaching a minimal patch that fixes it along with this email, without tests and NEWS so that it applies to older versions of Postorius easily (I have tested the included patch with 1.3.3, 1.3.2 git tags). Upgrading to 1.3.5 release is highly recommended and it mostly includes the fix for this vulnerability (and a small compatibility fix for django-mailman3 1.3.6) so it shouldn’t introduce any other bugs. You can upgrade to this release by running: $ pip install postorius==1.3.5 A full change log is available here[1] as usual and can be downloaded from PyPI[2]. [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-5 [2]: https://pypi.org/project/postorius/1.3.5/ Since there aren't many changes, this release requires 3.5+ like 1.3.4. Although, note that the next release will drop support for 3.5 and will support 3.6 only. For those of you who use container images, I am working on 0.3.12 of container images right now, so look out for that announcement. For those of you using the rolling releases, you can already upgrade to the latest version of the rolling release as it has the fix. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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domain owner role
by Rainer Herbst Sept. 1, 2021

Sept. 1, 2021

Dear all, recently, I have added one account to a domain as domain owner. I did expect the new owner to see all lists in that domain in Postorius, but he sees no list at all. Is this the way it should be? How can I add administrators able to perform administrative tasks on all lists in Postorius? Viele Grüße, Rainer Herbst Leiter IT-Service Phone: +49 331 7499-257 e-mail: rainer.herbst(a)aip.de https://www.aip.de ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leibniz-Institut für Astrophysik Potsdam (AIP) An der Sternwarte 16, 14482 Potsdam Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Matthias Steinmetz, Wolfram Rosenbach Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts Stiftungsverzeichnis Brandenburg: 26 742-00/7026 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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How to increase maximum size of the message in mailman
by Shashikanth Komandoor Aug. 31, 2021

Aug. 31, 2021

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in-built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.7 version with default values. I am almost running 2200 lists with 128 GB RAM and 24 Cores on a single VM and on which all the mailman 3 components are running. I have been running this setup in production for the past 2 years and 6 months. I have recently encountered a scenario where a user sent mail with a PPT attachment to one of the lists on the said mailman server. The mail is received by postfix on the mailman server and is handed over to mailman at *0.0.0.0:8024 <http://0.0.0.0:8024>.* But the /var/log/maillog says the below error during the above hand shake. *status=bounced (host 0.0.0.0[0.0.0.0] said: 552 Error: Too much mail data* I have browsed google for understanding and fixing the issue. During which I encountered the information given by Mr. Mark Sapio at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…. But I could not fix the issue as it is mentioned the default size limit is 33554432. I request someone to suggest where I can customize the value 33554432 and put a higher value or can be configured without any limit. I have configured message_size_limit as 100MB at postfix level. I would like to configure, in fact, the same at mailman level too. But I don't understand where to edit. I tried editing the variable DATA_SIZE_DEFAULT value in /var/lib/mailman/mailman/.tox/py36-nocov/lib/python3.6/site-packages/aiosmtpd/smtp.py file but unfortunately no luck. So, could someone please help us in this regard ? Also, please also let me know if there is any limitation specific for the attachments so that I can customize that too respectively. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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how to become member of mailman-users list
by Shashikanth Komandoor Aug. 31, 2021

Aug. 31, 2021

Hi Team, One of my colleagues is trying to become a member of the mailman-users list but she is not able to become so even after sending multiple emails to the list. Could someone suggest this ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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Question about message bounce stats
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Aug. 30, 2021

Aug. 30, 2021

When I used Mailgun some time back, it had a feature of, for any specific outgoing mailing, being able to show you stats and other details of which mails were received ok, which bounced, and which were undeliverable, which I found helpful to check every so often. Their system also kept track of long-term trends, eg for addresses that frequently failed. Does Mailman3 keep such stats, and if so is there any way to get access to them, even if only API? I would think it useful to do so (and yes, for individual outgoing messages at least for a period). Regards, Ruth -- Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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auto-away notices as bounces
by Andreas Barth Aug. 30, 2021

Aug. 30, 2021

Hi, I had a user complaint that his subscription was disabled. Looking into details, his mail provider sent out lots of auto aways notices marked with Auto-Submitted: auto-replied (vacation) Should we not exclude these as being counted as bounce? (List settings are "Individual" for "Personalize" and yes for both "Include RFC2369 headers" and "Include the list post header". Regards, Andi

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(nagios-)Monitoring for mailman3?
by Andreas Barth Aug. 29, 2021

Aug. 29, 2021

Hi together, does anyone have a sensible nagios monitoring for mailman3? (I had the issue that after a data base restart mailman3 was somehow disturbed but the basic web interface was still available, just the detailed pages like .../lists/$listid/ showed the error) Andi

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Logging subscriptions and unsubscriptions
by Christian Schoepplein Aug. 28, 2021

Aug. 28, 2021

Hi, I am in the process to migrate from mailman 2 to mailman 3 and currently I am setting up the new environment and do some tests and play around with the new system. I'd like to have a seperate log for list subscriptions and unsubscriptions. For that reason I added the following section to the mailman-extra.cfg file: [logging.subscribe] path: subscribe.log That created a file called subscribe.log but not everything regarding subscription / unsubscriptions is added to the file. When subscribing and unsubscribing a user via mail only the following line is shown: Aug 27 10:58:31 2021 (28) tmod(a)mm3.example.com: held subscription request from chris(a)example.com Nothing regarding the finished subscription and absolutely nothing regarding the unsubscription performed later. Also in mailman.log I can find the following lines: Aug 27 10:58:05 2021 (28) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 356, in _step_send_confirmation raise StopIteration StopIteration Aug 27 10:58:31 2021 (28) deque: subscribe_from_restored Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 326, in _step_get_moderator_approval raise StopIteration StopIteration Aug 27 10:58:33 2021 (29) OWNER: <163005471133.28.13827351997075408419@mailman-core> Is this because a higher logging level or is this an error? I can find nothing really helpfull regarding subscriptions and unsubscriptions in any logfile. Is this wanted or can this changed by any configuration setting or are this information stored in the database? Cheers, Schoepp

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Unwanted E-mail to Maillists Submitted via Postorius Interface
by matthew＠alberti.us Aug. 28, 2021

Aug. 28, 2021

Hi Everyone, I’ve seen a recent uptick in SPAM messages making it into mailing lists. Looking at the raw, it seems that the e-mails are being submitted thru the Postorius/Hyperkitty “Start a New Thread” interface. Is there a way to turn that off? We would want people to only be able to post via e-mail. Part of the problem is that our anti-spam system RSPAMD trusts the mailman-web IP… so it doesn’t scan things originating from there.. ☹ Another uestion: Is there a way to implement captcha, or is there a recommended gate that can be put in the signup process? Apparently bots are finding a way thru the signup process, and then sending messages to the list via the Postorius web interface. There seems to be a Django plugin for it; but it appears the Mailman code would have to be adjusted to implement it. I’m open to any suggestions, including on places to check for misconfiguration. 😊 Thanks. - Matt Alberti

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docker mailman-core mailman3 image not responding on port 8024
by bob B Aug. 25, 2021

Aug. 25, 2021

Ok, I took a step back and started fresh... So the issue appears to be that mailman-core docker image is not replying on port 8024. I did a packet capture and it shows (172.23.01 is the gateway for the docker network on the host, 172.23.03 is the IP of mailman-core when I did the capture) *************************************** 1 2021-08-16 14:15:14.865053 172.23.0.1 172.23.0.3 TCP 74 34066 → 8024 [SYN] Seq=0 Win=29200 Len=0 MSS=1460 SACK_PERM=1 TSval=985607751 TSecr=0 WS=128 2 2021-08-16 14:15:14.865084 172.23.0.3 172.23.0.1 TCP 54 8024 → 34066 [RST, ACK] Seq=1 Ack=1 Win=0 Len=0 *************************************** The above show the docker host sending/relaying mail to mailman-core, but mailman-core does not acknowledge on port 8024. The images are up i.e *************************************** 58923db6fb9f maxking/mailman-core:0.3 "docker-entrypoint.s…" 26 minutes ago Up 25 minutes 127.0.0.1:8001->8001/tcp, 127.0.0.1:8024->8024/tcp mailman-core *************************************** Docker yamel has the port setup (8024) *************************************** services: mailman-core: image: maxking/mailman-core:0.3 container_name: mailman-core hostname: mailman-core . . ports: - "127.0.0.1:8001:8001" # API - "127.0.0.1:8024:8024" # LMTP - incoming emails networks: mailman: *************************************** I can nc to the ports for docker web & 8001 on core and they are listening But 8024 is not responding *************************************** #>docker-mailman-host]# nc -v 172.23.0.4 8000 Ncat: Version 7.50 ( https://nmap.org/ncat ) Ncat: Connected to 172.23.0.4:8000. ^C #>docker-mailman-host]# nc -v 172.23.0.4 8080 Ncat: Version 7.50 ( https://nmap.org/ncat ) Ncat: Connected to 172.23.0.4:8080. ^C #>docker-mailman-host]# nc -v 172.23.0.3 8001 Ncat: Version 7.50 ( https://nmap.org/ncat ) Ncat: Connected to 172.23.0.3:8001. ^C #>docker-mailman-host]# nc -v 172.23.0.3 8024 Ncat: Version 7.50 ( https://nmap.org/ncat ) Ncat: Connection refused *************************************** Docker logs show postfix is up on mailman-core *************************************** sudo docker logs mailman-core List of databases Name | Owner | Encoding | Collate | Ctype | Access privileges -----------+---------+----------+------------+------------+--------------------- mailmandb | mailman | UTF8 | en_US.utf8 | en_US.utf8 | postgres | mailman | UTF8 | en_US.utf8 | en_US.utf8 | template0 | mailman | UTF8 | en_US.utf8 | en_US.utf8 | =c/mailman + | | | | | mailman=CTc/mailman template1 | mailman | UTF8 | en_US.utf8 | en_US.utf8 | =c/mailman + | | | | | mailman=CTc/mailman (4 rows) Postgres is up - continuing Using Postfix configuration Found configuration file at /opt/mailman/mailman-extra.cfg HYPERKITTY_URL not set, using the default value of http://mailman-web:8000/hyperkitty *************************************** Any ideas is there anything else I can do to troubleshoot? Is the issue with the mailman-core image?

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Error on timeout vs retry values
by Robert Moody Aug. 25, 2021

Aug. 25, 2021

Hi everyone, I have recently setup a new mailman3 service using the venv method. Everything is functionally working however I keep getting an error sent to the mailman email every min which I can not seem to figure out why. /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/conf.py:142: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than timeout, failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion. See https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details. See https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details.""" I have edited the timeout and retry values in the /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/conf.py file and restarted both mailman and mailman-web however this still keeps repeating. Any ideas? Regards, Robert -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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Mailman backend maintenance task
by eugenio.jordan＠esa.int Aug. 24, 2021

Aug. 24, 2021

Dear all. My apologies if the answer to this question is obvious, but I am pretty newbie for 3 version, and to be very honest I haven't had enough time yet to have a deep look into the documentation. Our customer is currently using PostGRESQL as backend, and we would like to perform some maintenance tasks, namely running vacuum full, or at least trying to rebuild hyperkitty_email primary key related index. We have been asked on the real impact of putting in place such initiative. Though the latter is related to archiving, I haven't found a way to stop just Hyperkitty or Django related processes other than stopping Mailman's core, hence preventing mails addressed to distribution lists from being delivered, could you please confirm if I am correct? Regarding the former, as far as I have read, the "mappings" lists -> addresses are stored just in the database, so if we run some kind of procedure or task like vacuum which will lock exclusively tables, or want anyway to have the database stopped for a cold backup or whatever, Mailman willl not work, that is, again the mails addressed to the distribution lists will not be delivered. Will you please confirm this point, too? Really wish we had a testing environment to have been able to check this ourselves and not bothering others, but unfortunately we lack it, and we need to provide an answer as soon as possible. Thanks a lot for your time. Best regards.

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Installing mailman3 from Ubuntu 20.04 repository
by Andy Cravens Aug. 24, 2021

Aug. 24, 2021

I’m testing Mailman3 on Ubuntu 20.04 and installing the packages from the default Ubuntu repo. I’m not sure I’ll perform the install this way once we move to production. I don’t know what group is responsible for keeping the Mainlam3 package in the Ubuntu repository up to date but I’d like to find out how committed that groups is to keeping the package current. We patch often and it would be convenient if the Mailman3 package is kept updated and current. If there is going to be some significant lag time I may decide to install manually when we go to production. Any thoughts on this? — Andy

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How to change the language in mailman3
by maszap＠tin.it Aug. 19, 2021

Aug. 19, 2021

Hi everyone, from here: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/hyperkitty/it/ I see that there is a way to change the language of mailman3, postorius and hyperkitty But I don't find how. I read that you can download the .po files for the chosen language, but I didn't understand how to use these files. Could anyone show me how to do it? Thank you in advance. Max

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Error when disabling signup
by Rainer Herbst Aug. 17, 2021

Aug. 17, 2021

Dear all, over the last couple of weeks, I have installed and configured mailman3 using the docker containers. It took me some time, but now it works quite well. At last, I wanted to disable the sign-up because only LDAP users should be able to login. As described in django_mailman3/views/user_adapter.py, I added the following line to my settings_local.py: ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter' After that, an error is thrown: ModuleNotFoundError at /accounts/login/ No module named 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter' What could be the reason for that and how to solve it? Thanks in advance! Rainer Here is the traceback: Environment: Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mailman.aip.de:1443/accounts/login/?next=%2Faccounts%2Flogin%2F Django Version: 2.2.19 Python Version: 3.8.5 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in view 71. return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py" in _wrapper 45. return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/decorators/debug.py" in sensitive_post_parameters_wrapper 76. return view(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py" in dispatch 146. return super(LoginView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py" in dispatch 74. response = super(RedirectAuthenticatedUserMixin, self).dispatch( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in dispatch 97. return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py" in get 90. response = super(AjaxCapableProcessFormViewMixin, self).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/edit.py" in get 133. return self.render_to_response(self.get_context_data()) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py" in get_context_data 173. signup_url = passthrough_next_redirect_url( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/utils.py" in passthrough_next_redirect_url 444. next_url = get_next_redirect_url(request, redirect_field_name) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/utils.py" in get_next_redirect_url 45. if not get_adapter(request).is_safe_url(redirect_to): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py" in get_adapter 535. return import_attribute(app_settings.ADAPTER)(request) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/utils.py" in import_attribute 155. ret = getattr(importlib.import_module(pkg), attr) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py" in import_module 127. return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>" in _gcd_import 1014. <source code not available> File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>" in _find_and_load 991. <source code not available> File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>" in _find_and_load_unlocked 973. <source code not available> Exception Type: ModuleNotFoundError at /accounts/login/ Exception Value: No module named 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter' Viele Grüße, Rainer Herbst Leiter IT-Service Phone: +49 331 7499-257 e-mail: rainer.herbst(a)aip.de https://www.aip.de ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leibniz-Institut für Astrophysik Potsdam (AIP) An der Sternwarte 16, 14482 Potsdam Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Matthias Steinmetz, Wolfram Rosenbach Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts Stiftungsverzeichnis Brandenburg: 26 742-00/7026 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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can't get mail into mailman3 in docker
by bob B Aug. 13, 2021

Aug. 13, 2021

I am trying to get mail into mailman in docker, I can send a test messages out from the container. But can't get mail in. Any idea what I am missing? mydomain.mydomain.com is substituted for the actual domain in the below output My /etc/postfix/main.cf has ------------------------------------- mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, mydomain.mydomain.com transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains # Support the default VERP delimiter. recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no ------------------------------------- my /opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg has ------------------------------------- # mailman-extra.cfg [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver # mailman-core hostname or IP from the Postfix server lmtp_host: localhost lmtp_port: 8024 # Postfix server's hostname or IP from mailman-core smtp_host: outbound-mail.mydomain.mydomain.com smtp_port: 25 configuration: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg [mailman] # This address is the "site owner" address. Certain messages which must be # delivered to a human, but which can't be delivered to a list owner (e.g. a # bounce from a list owner), will be sent to this address. It should point to # a human. site_owner: admin(a)mydomain.mydomain.com ------------------------------------- The instructions say "The configuration file /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg is generated automatically." But I do not have that file is this the issue?? cat: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg: No such file or directory When I send mail to my domain to a list i created called 'test' I get ------- 2021-08-02T13:33:08.666502-04:00 bmimailmandr1 postfix/cleanup[113557]: A068930294D8: message-id=<7C8556BA-156D-4A31-A64E-428C62D31AA1(a)mac.com> 2021-08-02T13:33:08.680953-04:00 bmimailmandr1 postfix/qmgr[113209]: A068930294D8: from=<testuser @bmail.com>, size=8275, nrcpt=1 (queue active) 2021-08-02T13:33:08.713683-04:00 bmimailmandr1 postfix/lmtp[113559]: A068930294D8: lost connection with localhost[127.0.0.1] while receiving the initial server greeting 2021-08-02T13:33:08.725326-04:00 bmimailmandr1 postfix/lmtp[113559]: connect to localhost[::1]:8024: Connection refused 2021-08-02T13:33:08.735727-04:00 bmimailmandr1 postfix/lmtp[113559]: A068930294D8: to=<test-join(a)mydomain.mydomain.com>, relay=none, delay=0.07, delays=0.03/0.01/0.03/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to localhost[::1]:8024: Connection refused) -----

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Using Header filters
by Mohsen Masoudfar Aug. 13, 2021

Aug. 13, 2021

Hi, I wonder if it is possible using the "Header filters" option to filter for a specific word to push the message to Moderation? Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

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Mailman3 Issue with Sending Mail to Yahoo/AOL
by chris＠zimmerman.to Aug. 11, 2021

Aug. 11, 2021

Hi everyone. I have a dedicated Ubuntu box that is running mailman3. I have a single email list on it. The subscriber base is about 350 users. There is a good chunk of these users that are aol.com or yahoo.com users. I've been getting complaints from the Yahoo people that mail is delayed at times, or messages that come out of order. Looking at the mailq on the box, I can see there are plenty of emails stuck in the queue. I have all sorts of messages like this ... -Queue ID- --Size-- ----Arrival Time---- -Sender/Recipient------- 3576C540CB4 9917 Tue May 11 11:27:13 pcho-bounces(a)pchochat.com (host mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.204.74] said: 452 Too many recipients tnmpmscs (in reply to RCPT TO command)) <removed list of email addresses> (host mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.204.74] said: 421 [IPTS04] Messages from 74.112.73.65 temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to end of DATA command)) <removed list of email addresses> 10932540D16 32765 Tue May 11 18:34:13 pcho-bounces(a)pchochat.com (host mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.228.111] said: 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 74.112.73.65 temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) <removed list of email addresses> (host mx-biz.mail.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.204.83] said: 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 74.112.73.65 temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) <removed list of email addresses> (host mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net[67.195.228.84] said: 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 74.112.73.65 temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) (host mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.228.111] said: 421 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 74.112.73.65 temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) <removed list of email addresses> So it seems that Yahoo/AOL keeps detecting my mailman3 server as either spam, sending too much email, or too many recipients. This email server is for our neighborhood community. Its moderated to join, and we know every single user on this list. We know it's not being reported as spam by our users. Anyone anyone shed some light on how to appropriately solve this issue?

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Avoiding non-members to be saved.
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) Aug. 9, 2021

Aug. 9, 2021

Hi all: Yesterday I had a problem with a private list. A spammer sent a mail forging one address that was a non-member (in fact was an "accept this no subscriber mails" from mailman 2.1 import) with very bad intentions and it was distributed. There were no list of "accept this non members" in the Postorius config (but I'm sure that that address was "accepted" in 2.1). To avoid this from any other non member address I deleted ALL non-members. I think it is solved now (deleting all and putting to hold just the non-members addresses that I would want to pass messages on) The fact is that any sender address of mails sent to the list is saved as a "non member", and it make me nervous as it will grow despite it is a legitimate message or not. Anybody knows if there is a per list config to avoid saving all that addresses as non members? o a overall config? I couldn't find anything about this in the config pages (or googling it) Thanks in advance. --

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nginx config example link broken for docker and mailman3
by bob B Aug. 9, 2021

Aug. 9, 2021

FYI, on this page https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ this link is broken for nginx config example in "See the nginx configuration as an example." https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#nginx-configuration

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I need professional help to get virtualenv Mailman3 installation running
by John Seifarth Aug. 9, 2021

Aug. 9, 2021

Hello, I have been running Linux mailman2 servers for about 10 years, and sendmail/postfix servers for over 20 years. I have a client who wants to upgrade to Mailman 3 from their current Mailman2 system. I wanted to avoid the disruption of an upgrade, so I implemented a series of test servers with different names (leaving the mailman2 server in production at its historical address) running Ubuntu 18 and Ubuntu 20, using the mailman3 packages (3.1and 3.2 respectively). I sort of got it running with mailman 3.2 on Ubuntu 20, but couldn’t get Hyperkitty archiving to work. Plus the fact that mail bounce handling isn’t implemented prior to mailman 3.3.2, I decided to install the latest mailman version available in a venv environment, using the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html I followed the instructions carefully using the same paths, and tracked down and fixed errors as each step progressed. I finally set up a WSGI server according to the instructions, searched for and found (fragmentary) instructions for setting up the Apache configuration, started the mailman3 and mailman web services, and now have no errors in the /opt/mailman/web/logs files, the /var/log/apache files, and in syslog. But when I try to connect via the Web, I get the message "Server error An error occurred while processing your request.” in my browser. No other clues. I’m completely stuck, and I need help to conclude this rapidly, the client really needs the new service up and running ASAP. I’m at the limit of my competence. I’ve been learning Python on and off (insufficient available time), and I installed Django and ran the tutorials. I still am woefully unskilled in the subtleties of a complex Python project like Mailman/Posterious/Hyperkitty, and I really need the help of an expert who can log into the server and see for themselves where the problem(s) are, and fix them. What I need is an experienced Python programmer, who has installed, run, and upgraded venv mailman3 installations. Of course, I will pay for this expertise, and charge it to the end client. In other words, I will pay you directly, and then I will worry about getting paid myself later. I am ready to pay €60/h for your skills, paid directly to your bank account, after receipt of your invoice. It shouldn’t be all that much work, since everything has been installed according to instructions, I’m just not a good enough Python programmer to get all the parts to work together correctly. It’s important to note that the end client is an organisation of European political parties, the virtual machine running the Ubuntu 20 server is hosted at OVH in France. Thus the professional with whom I would work should preferably also be based in the EU, and subject to EU law. Practically speaking, if anyone is interested, please send me a direct email with your email address and phone number, and then we can discuss how to do this practically in terms of SSH access, passwords, etc. Thanks for taking the time to read this, and I hope some Python Mailman pro can come to my aid. John

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Mailman3 stopped working after Upgrade to Ubuntu 21.04
by Thomas Möhle Aug. 8, 2021

Aug. 8, 2021

Hey, I have set up mailman3 with mailman3-web on my mailserver and after upgrading to Ubuntu 21.04 my setup stopped working. I can see repeating log entries of mailman trying to reach something within hyperkitty and getting an error. The same constant repeating cycle of log entries is visible in my log files. I have attached my config files as well as the logfiles for mailman3 and mailman-web. As you can see, I'm not really getting many errors, yet within 5 seconds there are almost 2000 lines of log entries where mailman tries to reach something within hyperkitty over and over and over again. One thing I did to create an error message is start up both services, then edit a test list, that I created, in the web interface. This is the error you can find in the logs then: ERROR 2021-08-07 12:50:26,932 2343625 postorius Un-handled exception: HTTP Error 404: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/generic.py", line 74, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 97, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 301, in get primary_email = set_preferred(request.user, mm_user) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/utils.py", line 77, in set_preferred mm_user.preferred_address = primary_email.email File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/user.py", line 57, in __setattr__ super(User, self).__setattr__(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 131, in __setattr__ return super(RESTObject, self).__setattr__(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/user.py", line 145, in preferred_address response, content = self._connection.call(url, {'email': email}) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 127, in call raise HTTPError(url, response.status_code, urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: WARNING 2021-08-07 12:50:26,938 2343625 django.request Not Found: /mailman3/postorius/lists/test.lists.example.com/ Can anyone here help me debug this? I'm working on this problem for days now and can't seem to find a solution. Thanks so much in advance, Thomas

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remove non members from a list
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) Aug. 6, 2021

Aug. 6, 2021

Hi all: I need to remove all non members from a list. I know I can do it via Postorius, but it has to be done one at a time. (you can delete ALL suscribers but not all non members...) Anyone has a python recipe to do this? I've been searching and googling but I cannot find the way of doing it safely. And via DDBB there are more than one table involved and I'd rather not mess it all... Thanks in advance

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Not able to start mailman server
by Kartheek Reddy Bondugula Aug. 5, 2021

Aug. 5, 2021

Hi, I am trying to start the mailman server on a mac according to the instructions given on the website as shown - $(py3) git clone git@gitlab.com:mailman/mailman.git $(py3) cd mailman $(py3) python setup.py develop $(py3) mailman start $(py3) cd .. But I run into the following problem - Starting Mailman's master runner Generating MTA alias maps /usr/local/Cellar/python(a)3.9/3.9.5/bin/python3.9: can't open file '/usr/local/opt/python(a)3.9/bin/master': [Errno 2] No such file or directory Can anyone help me out with this? Thanks, Kartheek

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UnpicklingError on mailman lists command
by Bryan Loniewski Aug. 4, 2021

Aug. 4, 2021

Hi all -- I'm getting the error below when trying to exec the "mailman lists" command. I've turned debugging on within my test mailman.cfg like so... [database] class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase <snip> debug: yes [logging.database] level: debug path: dbmailman.log and can see a lot of info including the row(s) with each lists data returned in dbmailman.log. Any guidance on further troubleshooting/debugging? Note that listing the members returns fine (at least for the handful of lists I just tested, i.e., /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman members bry_test(a)lists-test.rutgers.edu) $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman lists Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 829, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 782, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 68, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1259, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1066, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 610, in invoke return callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 21, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_lists.py", line 78, in lists for mlist in list_manager.mailing_lists: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/listmanager.py", line 100, in mailing_lists MailingList._list_id).all() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3246, in all return list(self) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/loading.py", line 101, in instances cursor.close() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/langhelpers.py", line 69, in __exit__ exc_value, with_traceback=exc_tb, File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/compat.py", line 178, in raise_ raise exception File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/loading.py", line 81, in instances rows = [proc(row) for row in fetch] File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/loading.py", line 81, in <listcomp> rows = [proc(row) for row in fetch] File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/loading.py", line 589, in _instance populators, File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/loading.py", line 726, in _populate_full dict_[key] = getter(row) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/sql/sqltypes.py", line 1708, in process return loads(value) _pickle.UnpicklingError: pickle data was truncated ________________________ Bryan Loniewski Rutgers University OIT:EAS:Messaging and Collaboration Services System Administrator

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web api
by Ethan Furman Aug. 4, 2021

Aug. 4, 2021

Greetings again! Is there a remote API I can use to manage a list? One of the lists I manage has 1800 or so users, the vast majority of which have never posted, and I need to remove them (preferably not one by one). The list is meant to be actively used, so going forward I want to be able to unsubscribe anyone who hasn't posted in the last year. Both of those would be much more nicely done with a python script on my computer if I had a means to communicate with the mm3 server remotely. Any and all help appreciated! -- ~Ethan~

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at the finish line of mailman3 docker, but can't sign in.
by bob B Aug. 2, 2021

Aug. 2, 2021

I am trying to setup mailman3 in docker and have some questions, I can see the finish line :) i hope. I start my images and I can access the web,http://Servername.domain.com/postorius/lists/ and no list are there of course, but How do i sign in? I click the forget link and I have to enter in a email address. I put in the email address I added to the docker-compose.yaml but that does not wrok. I have these setup in the .yaml file. MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER: The username for the admin user to be created by default. MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL: The email for the admin user to be created by default. I found this url http://Servername.domain.com/admin/login However I never set a password and here is no forget button, Basically once I have docker installed, and mailman3 up and no lists are available, How do I setup or/and sign in as admin? Also In docker how can I test sending mail? the command "mailman-web sendtestemail youremailid@domain" from the mailman-web container does not work. How can I make sure my containers can send and receive mail?

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migration
by Dave McGuire July 31, 2021

July 31, 2021

Hi folks. Some time ago, I set up mm3 and have been running a bunch of lists on it with great success. I was a long-time mm2 user, and while the differences are significant, I'm glad I made the switch. However, in what seems to have been a moment of insanity in retrospect, I installed mm3 from my OS' package repository. Yeah, I know, that was dumb. Now I'd like to migrate to a new server, and I'd like to install mm3 in the normal way. Is there a way that I can "dump" the configuration from an existing mailman3 server, and "import" it into a new instance? I'd really like to avoid re-doing all of the configuration, etc, as there are quite a few lists and everything is set up pretty much the way I want it. I would appreciate any advice from this learned group. Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Mailman lifecycle
by eugenio.jordan＠esa.int July 30, 2021

July 30, 2021

Dear all. Perhaps this is a sort of dummy questions for software supported by the Community, my apologies in advance. I have been asked on information related to the end of life of support for 3.1 version, and I was wondering whether you could please provide some insights on how the Mailman life cycle is conceived. For instance, are there periodically planned releases, say 1 per year? If so, will you please confirm how long we are to expect the previous versions to be maintained? Thanks so much in advance for the help. Best regards.

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Footer question...
by David Partain July 27, 2021

July 27, 2021

Hi, Background: I have a painful mailman3 installation based on ubuntu 18.04 packages, a mistake I regret but have to live with until I can finish a fresh install of the latest. Currently running on mailman 3.1.1-9 and python-django-mailman3 version 1.1.0-4 (if that matters). I migrated > 1200 lists from an old mailman2 installation. That brought along all of the footers (naturally), and now I'm trying to get rid of them but failing miserably. I've spent a fair bit of time reading archives of this list, but I'm still stuck. Here's what's configured... In /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- var_dir: /var/lib/mailman3 # Root directory for site-specific template override files. template_dir: $var_dir/templates -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In that directory, list-specific directories like: /var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/list.mydomain/ and, as an example, en/list_member_digest_footer.txt For the migrated lists, that might have: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ $display_name mailing list -- $listname To unsubscribe send an email to ${short_listname}-leave@${domain} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Based on what I've read elsewhere, my first attempt was to create an empty file doing 'cp /dev/null list_member_digest_footer.txt' to replace the one installed in migration. That had no effect. As a shot-in-the-dark, I did 'cp /dev/null list:member:regular:footer.txt' to see if that might have some effect. Nope. I suppose some decision is made earlier in the process to tack on the footer, so these files I'm manipulating have zero effect. Anyone have suggestions of what I can do? Thanks in advance. David

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requiring questionnaire from new users
by Ethan Furman July 27, 2021

July 27, 2021

Greetings! Is there a way to require new users to answer a questionnaire when they subscribe? I suspect that one of the lists I manage is getting a lot of subscribers who don't understand what that particular list is for, and having to answer a question or two would allow me to direct them to better resources. Any and all info appreciated! -- ~Ethan~

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non-members issue with held email
by Lars Schimmer July 20, 2021

July 20, 2021

Hi I want to check a issue with a few mailing lists of us. We do run mailman3 on debian with debian package 3.2.1-1 (not yet updated for backup reasons). We created a new mailinglist, added 3 owner and several members. Now we want some email addresses to post to that list but not receive mails from the list. So I added those to the "non-member" area of the mailinglist and checked every non-member to "acceppt at once". But on a test, a email address, which is owner AND non-member, cannot send to mailinglist, always get a "HOLD: ...... The message is not from a list member" The Email address in that HOLD log entry is the same as in the owner/non-member list. Any idea howto check the mailman3 logs for this case? Thank you. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

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Deleting default "example.com" domain breaks everything
by mcarter＠corneredrats.com July 18, 2021

July 18, 2021

Hello. I'm new with v3 of mailman. Installed via aptitude on deb10. After I logged in as admin, I created my actual domain, as "example.com" was there by default. I then deleted example.com, and everything broke. The only site I had was still using example.com. How do I either a) restore example.com in config or CLI (as web UI is completely broken now), or b) move my one and only "Site 1" to the domain I created? Thanks.

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Debian10 pkg install: set up Postorius superuser?
by mcarter＠corneredrats.com July 16, 2021

July 16, 2021

Hey, all. I've installed mailman3 to replace mailman2 from the Deb10 package mailman3-full. Command line appears to work, but I had to manually add the Uwsgi module to get the user web site to run. I can't find a reference to what the default admin user password is, and running "python settings.py createsuperuser" doesn't work with error: root@mail:/usr/share/mailman3-web# python manage.py createsuperuser Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 8, in <module> from django.core.management import execute_from_command_line ImportError: No module named django.core.management Any idea what else needs to get installed that the aptitude package missed? Any way to just manually set the admin's password without having to install anything else?

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Problems with hyperkitty
by Lucia Moreno July 15, 2021

July 15, 2021

Dear mailman support, We have an issue with hyperkitty. In the last month the space used by hyperkitty_email postgres table has increased from 54GB to 400GB and it is constantly increasing with no end. Is there any simple way of knowing what is taking so much space? Like for example display how much archiving space (or achived emails) is used by each mailing list? Looks like a mailing list has gone crazy but from the logs everything looks fine. Any help is very much appreciated. THanks a lot for your precious help!!

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[MM3-users]Is it possible to grant all users the ability to Create List
by Carrie Knox July 13, 2021

July 13, 2021

Hello, Our company is evaluating mailman3 as an option for company internal list serving. One of the requirements is that anyone with access to the list server be allowed to create and manage lists. Is this possible? If so, how? Is there a "create list" role that can be added for all registered users? Thanks

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accept mails from several Users, not list members beside members, howto
by Lars Schimmer July 13, 2021

July 13, 2021

Hi I do look out for a method to accept mails from list members and a number of 20-30 Email addresses (not list members) to a mailing list. All others should be denied to post to the list. I can add those as non-members, but AFAIK I cannot define a special rule for them in "message acceptance". Under "message acceptance" the line "non-members" is set to deny, but if I set it to "default procesessing" - will it allow ALL email addresses, or just the group of "non-member" users? Thank you. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

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cache files?
by Dave McGuire July 13, 2021

July 13, 2021

Hi folks. I'm seeing quite a few .css files, thousands of them totaling 600+MB, building up in /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/CACHE/css. Some of them date back to when I set up the mm3 instance a few years ago. Is this expected, or am I missing a cron job or something to clean them up? Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Trying basic install of mailman3 in docker, but how do you set allowed hosts?
by bob B July 12, 2021

July 12, 2021

I am starting small, My goal is just to get mailman3 running in docker and test the website access via curl from the host, then I will move on from there In the docker instructions it says SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN: The domain name from which Django will be served. To be added to ALLOWED_HOSTS in django settings. Default value is not set. This also replaces Django's default example.com SITE and becomes the default SITE (with SITE_ID=1). But where do I set the ALLOWED_HOSTS I added this to the yaml file - ALLOWED_HOSTS=127.0.0.1 under environments mailman-web: image: maxking/mailman-web:0.3 container_name: mailman-web hostname: mailman-web depends_on: - database links: - mailman-core:mailman-core - database:database volumes: - /opt/mailman/web:/opt/mailman-web-data environment: - UWSGI_STATIC_MAP=/static=/opt/mailman-web-data/static - ALLOWED_HOSTS=127.0.0.1 - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - SECRET_KEY=333blah-blah-secret - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=333someapikey ports: - "127.0.0.1:8000:8000" # HTTP - "127.0.0.1:8080:8080" # uwsgi networks: mailman: But when I try: [docker-mailman]# curl 127.0.0.1:8000 <h1>Bad Request (400)</h1>[root@bmimailmandr1 docker-mailman]# [root@bmimailmandr1 docker-mailman]# I see this in the logs [docker-mailman]# cat /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log WARNING 2021-07-08 17:40:46,979 1642 django.request Bad Request: / ERROR 2021-07-08 19:20:58,416 1641 django.security.DisallowedHost Invalid HTTP_HOST header: '127.0.0.1:8000'. You may need to add '127.0.0.1' to ALLOWED_HOSTS. WARNING 2021-07-08 19:20:59,032 1641 django.request Bad Request: / WARNING 2021-07-08 19:20:59,032 1641 django.request Bad Request: /

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Help! List traffic shunted to gmail/yahoo spam folders
by Matt Wilbur EFS July 12, 2021

July 12, 2021

Hello, I've been through DKIM hell and back. Now I'm to the point where when I "show original" mail with gmail it says SPF, DKIM and DMARC all pass, but it's still going to the spam folders. 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List rename
by Joel Lord July 7, 2021

July 7, 2021

I'm in an odd situation where I need to rename a bunch of lists. They were all created on mailman2 originally and migrated to mailman3 (very successfully, TYVM) but the names were all originally discuss-<foo>@domain and it's very confusing to be sure you're always sending to the correct <foo>. We want to completely rename the lists to <foo>-discuss@domain. These lists do not keep archives, so if I have to resort to extracting the subscriber lists and the configs and building new lists, I'm completely fine with that. Problem is, I'm really used to MM2 and config_list and could do this without thinking using those tools... that I don't have. Running MM3 3.2.2 trying to make this happen. Any assistance I could get will be greatly appreciated. THANKS! -- Joel Lord Web Administrator, Alpha Psi Omega Grand Cast etc... etc... etc...

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Mailman3 in docker help
by bader＠cchmc.org July 7, 2021

July 7, 2021

Trying to get mailman3 stood up in Docker and having some issues following the instructions. Currently my docker-web image is not running. Today it won't start, yesterday it was exiting with 0 status immediately. [root@mailman3dockerhost docker-mailman]# docker ps CONTAINER ID IMAGE COMMAND CREATED STATUS PORTS NAMES 0d7e6be7cf80 maxking/mailman-core:0.3 "docker-entrypoint.s…" 18 hours ago Up 3 seconds 127.0.0.1:8001->8001/tcp, 127.0.0.1:8024->8024/tcp mailman-core d1071c541bda postgres:9.6-alpine "docker-entrypoint.s…" 18 hours ago Up 7 seconds 5432/tcp dockermailman_database_1 [root@mailman3dockerhostdocker-mailman]# For my .yaml file I added in the " - ALLOWED_HOSTS=['*',]" in mailman-web thinking that was the issue. I am also not sure about networks, I have ports setup but no IP's i.e ---------------------------- ports: - "127.0.0.1:8000:8000" # HTTP - "127.0.0.1:8080:8080" # uwsgi networks: mailman: ---------------------------- but some examples I have come across have IPs, but no ports listed ---------------------------- networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.2 ---------------------------- I thought access to the container's are from the Docker's Host machines IP and the port I specify in the .yaml file. Also I am running the docker as root, just to test, but what is the best practice for running the mailman containers? ---------- here is my yaml file with some bits removed for security [root@host docker-mailman]# cat docker-compose.yaml version: '2' services: mailman-core: image: maxking/mailman-core:0.3 container_name: mailman-core hostname: mailman-core volumes: - /opt/mailman/core:/opt/mailman/ stop_grace_period: 30s links: - database:database depends_on: - database environment: - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_CLASS=mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=********* ports: - "127.0.0.1:8001:8001" # API - "127.0.0.1:8024:8024" # LMTP - incoming emails networks: mailman: mailman-web: image: maxking/mailman-web:0.3 container_name: mailman-web hostname: mailman-web depends_on: - database links: - mailman-core:mailman-core - database:database volumes: - /opt/mailman/web:/opt/mailman-web-data environment: - ALLOWED_HOSTS=['*',] - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=********* - DEBUG=TRUE - SECRET_KEY=********* - SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN=domain.hostname.org - MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER=lists - MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL=admin(a)domain.hostname.org ports: - "127.0.0.1:8000:8000" # HTTP - "127.0.0.1:8080:8080" # uwsgi networks: mailman: database: environment: - POSTGRES_DB=mailmandb - POSTGRES_USER=mailman - POSTGRES_PASSWORD=******* image: postgres:9.6-alpine volumes: - /opt/mailman/database:/var/lib/postgresql/data networks: mailman: networks: mailman:

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Re: Editing a Subscriber's Mailman 3 list Settings
by Mark Sapiro July 1, 2021

July 1, 2021

On 7/1/21 12:28 PM, Terry Earley wrote: > Postorius Version 1.1.2 Which was released in December, 2017. I don't offhand know which version fixed it, but I'm sure it's been fixed. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Editing a Subscriber's Mailman 3 list Settings
by Terry Earley July 1, 2021

July 1, 2021

Admin users can edit subscriber's Mailman list settings. Once that subscriber registers as a user, then only he/she can edit. Admin no longer has permission to change these settings. [image: editSubscriberByAdmin.gif] Terry Earley

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Re: Mailman - delete or backup old archived messages
by Lucia Moreno July 1, 2021

July 1, 2021

Hi Mark, We are facing the same issue. My postgres database is growing too fast and I would need to do some creaning of old archives dated from 2001 and keep only the last, lets say... 5 years. Could you please help us with the development of such a script? I have no experience in python. Thanks a lot in advance, Lucia

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How to secure LMTP transport?
by Adam Minski June 30, 2021

June 30, 2021

Hello, what is recommended to secure traffic to LMTP port 8024 by SSL/TLS? Thx Adam

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mailman web spamming uwsgi error log.
by Sarah H June 29, 2021

June 29, 2021

I'm having an issue with the mailman web logs (/opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log) spamming the below: 20:53:44 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month] - MailingList matching query does not exist. : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 436, in worker res = f(*task["args"], **task["kwargs"]) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 79, in _rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 417, in get self.model._meta.object_name hyperkitty.models.mailinglist.MailingList.DoesNotExist: MailingList matching query does not exist. the best match I can find in the archives is https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… I have used suggested command there (/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs recent_threads_cache) as well as manually running the hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly crons manually and all run successfully but I'm still getting the same entries spamming the logs to the point that when I discovered this the logs were 9.6GB in size. I do not have a list named "MailingList".

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Re: List rename
by Christina A Hilfer June 28, 2021

June 28, 2021

Hi Joel, I know it's been a while since you found your work around but can you give the exact steps prior to the update SQL commands you provided? I am getting a syntax error on the first one and I have not been able to figure out how to move forward. Thanks, Christina [cid:image001.png@01D76C01.D1DFEF40]<http://www.unr.edu/> Christina Hilfer Senior Application Specialist Office of Information Technology - IT Operations 1664 N Virginia Street Reno, NV 89557 work-phone: 775-784-1967<tel:775-784-1967> email: chilfer(a)unr.edu<mailto:chilfer@unr.edu> website: http://oit.unr.edu/

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Help with some 'withlist' configuration changes
by David Partain June 23, 2021

June 23, 2021

Hi, Firstly, a repeat that I have a relatively broken (and soon to be fixed, I hope) installation of mailman3 based on Ubuntu 18.04 distrib packages (3.1.1-9) that stumbles along by me dealing with a bunch of things by hand that I hope'll go away once I'm up to the current version. In this set-up, I get a fair number of items shunted. Since I have this wonky version where stuff isn't always exposed in the web interface, I have to fix these things by hand. An example is that something gets shunted because of too many recipients, where I do: sudo -u list mailman withlist somemailmanlist m.max_num_recipients = 0 commit() sudo -u list mailman unshunt I've managed to find a number of these, such as m.max_message_size, m.require_explicit_destination, and m.administrivia. My questions are undoubtedly foolish, but here goes: 1. Is there any way to print the entire 'm' structure? If so, I'd perhaps be able to figure out the answers to my other questions. 2. Is there a way for me to correct the following shunt-ing issues with 'withlist'? I've been unable to figure out how... a. 'moderation_reasons': [ 'Message has no subject'] / 'rule_hits': ['no-subject'] b. Some things get caught as 'rule_hits': ['nonmember-moderation']. However, if I look in the (web-based) config, it shows that non-members should be accepted but the messages are shunted nonetheless. I don't know what to look for in 'm' or how I might clear these messages. 3. I have no idea what these are telling me to do about digest messages. Suggestions? This is the entire info I get from 'mailman qfile': ------------------------------------------------------snip snip---------------------------------------------- [----- start pickle -----] <----- start object 1 -----> <----- start object 2 -----> { '_parsemsg': False, 'digest_number': 457, 'digest_path': '/var/lib/mailman3/lists/somelist/digest.31.457.mmdf', 'lang': 'en', 'listid': 'somelistid', 'version': 3, 'volume': 31, 'whichq': 'digest'} [----- end pickle -----] ------------------------------------------------------snip snip---------------------------------------------- 4. I have some that have 'rule_hits': [] (it's empty) but are shunted nonetheless. I can't see anything weird other than one of the messages has a utf-8 subject. Any ideas? 5. Some messages that were sent to -request addresses (e.g., subscribe messages, confirm, approve messages) are being shunted. What should I do with these? Thanks for your patience. Cheers, David

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Mailman3 service on mailman-3.3.4 is not getting started
by Shashikanth Komandoor June 23, 2021

June 23, 2021

Hi team, I am trying to install mailman 3.3.4, the currently available latest version at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html on RHEL 7.5. As part of the installation, I am not creating any user with the name *mailman* and instead going with the *root* user only. Along with that I am using the directory */var/lib/mailman* as the root directory. Also, I have rsyslog service running on my machine and using postgresql-11 as the database service. My mailman3 service looks like this: # cat /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service [Unit] Description=GNU Mailing List Manager After=rsyslog.target network.target postgresql-11.service [Service] Type=forking PIDFile=/var/lib/mailman/var/master.pid User=root Group=root ExecStart=/var/lib/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start ExecReload=/var/lib/mailman/venv/bin/mailman restart ExecStop=/var/lib/mailman/venv/bin/mailman stop [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target Now, the issue is while I am trying to start the service, it is showing the below error and the status looks like as following: # systemctl start mailman3 Job for mailman3.service failed because a configured resource limit was exceeded. See "systemctl status mailman3.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. # systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; disabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: failed (Result: resources) since Wed 2021-06-23 12:51:27 IST; 1min 7s ago Process: 16277 ExecStart=/var/lib/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: os.execl(*execl_args) Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/os.py", line 527, in execl Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: execv(file, args) Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: TypeError: expected str, bytes or os.PathLike object, not NoneType Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: Starting Mailman's master runner Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in mailman[16277]: Generating MTA alias maps Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in systemd[1]: PID file /var/lib/mailman/var/master.pid not readable (yet?) after start. Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in systemd[1]: Unit mailman3.service entered failed state. Jun 23 12:51:27 psumm3.nic.in systemd[1]: mailman3.service failed. I can't understand where the issue might be. Thank you in advance. -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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PermissionError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
by Sarah H June 22, 2021

June 22, 2021

The system we are running mailman 3 on crashed, it filled the drive, and when it was restarted and the issue cleared I found that mailman3 will not start, it returns the following: Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.4', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 829, in __call__ Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 782, in main Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: rv = self.invoke(ctx) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 68, in invoke Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return super().invoke(ctx) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1259, in invoke Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1066, in invoke Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", line 610, in invoke Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return callback(*args, **kwargs) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 21, in new_func Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 91, in start Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: status, lock = master_state() Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 104, in master_state Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: os.kill(pid, 0) Jun 21 14:12:29 mailman[513274]: PermissionError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted Jun 21 14:12:29 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited status=1 Jun 21 14:12:29 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. this is via starting as root with systemctl start mailman3, or as the user mailman using /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start originally there was a similar error PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman/mm/var/locks/master.lck' and another similar error (that I can't find presently) for the logfile, both were owned by root when I checked them so I changed the owner back to mailman. anyone have any insight? there isn't much in the way of description on the error so I'm not sure what it's lacking permissions on. (and tried chown -R for the /opt/mailman folder already since everything there should be owned by mailman anyway)

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integrate subscribe form in Website -> CSRF-token
by Jens Günther June 22, 2021

June 22, 2021

Hello, we wanted to integrate a subscribe-form in our website after Update from Mailman2 to Mailman3. Before it was quiet easy and supposedly still is, but we can't figure out what to do with the CSRF-token-problem. Is there anywhere a documentation on this? We can't find one. If not, I would like to post more on what we tried with the html-code and what is coming up afterwards. (forbidden 403 - CSRF-verification failed. Request aborted.) Thanks in advance! Jens.

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Bounce Score
by Jeff June 22, 2021

June 22, 2021

Is there an easy way to determine a list member’s bounce score and/or reset that to zero? Thanks much, Jeff

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How to identify the exact reason behind the shunting of the mails ?
by Shashikanth Komandoor June 20, 2021

June 20, 2021

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in-built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.7 version with default values. I am almost running 2000 lists with 128 GB RAM and 24 Cores on a single VM and on which all the mailman 3 components are running. I have been running this setup in production for the past 2 years and 6 months. From the beginning of the above setup until recent days, I observed a few mails moving to the shunt queue now and then. But from recent days it is observed that many mails are moving to the shunt queue. I browsed many websites but I could not get a proper resolution for identifying the exact reason behind the shunting of the mails. Because of which I had been asking the user to resend the mails instead of suggesting the user regarding the issue properly. I in fact used the command "mailman qfile <filename.pck>" even then I don't understand what might be wrong with the mail composition. Most of the time I see *unknown-8bit* in To or CC fields and I don't know if it is linked with the reason for shunting or not and I don't get any clue from it either. Is there any chance to find out the reason for shunting of the mails through any means ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings'
by Michela June 18, 2021

June 18, 2021

Hello! I've just set up Mailman 3 with Hyperkitty and Postorius in venv via pip by using the guide at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… on Oracle Linux 8.3 with Python 3.6.8. The process seemed to go smoothly and without errors. The log file, /opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log, contains the following stack trace, however. Note the bit toward the bottom: "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings'" Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 224, in fetch_command app_name = commands[subcommand] KeyError: 'qcluster' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 30, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 401, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 395, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 231, in fetch_command settings.INSTALLED_APPS File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 76, in __getattr__ self._setup(name) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 63, in _setup self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 142, in __init__ mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 994, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 971, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 953, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings' [uwsgi-daemons] throttling "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster" for 245 seconds [uwsgi-daemons] respawning "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster" (uid: 1002 gid: 1002) Mailman and mailman-web do start without errors when I run them via their systemd unit files and Postorius serves up pages (without styles and such, which I'll fix later). SELinux is disabled, at least while I work through this issue. I've gone over the configuration files, and everything appears to be in order as written in the installation instructions, but that's likely not the case. :) My configuration files outside of the Mailman virtual environment are in /etc/mailman/: (venv) [mailman@host ~]$ ls /etc/mailman3/ mailman.cfg __pycache__ settings.py uwsgi.ini When searching the web about this, I only found one result, on this very list, but it didn't have quite enough information for me to solve my issue. It might also not quite be the same problem: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Might you be able to point me in the right direction on solving this issue? Please tell me if there is any more information I can provide to that end. Best, Michela

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Mailman - delete or backup old archived messages
by olenkoigetublim＠gmail.com June 18, 2021

June 18, 2021

Hello Mailman team! I have been using Mailman-Suite (Hyperkitty + Postorius) quite a long time now and now i was wondering if there is any way to erase or export old archived messages and back them up elsewhere (for example messages, that are older then 1 year). Didnt find any suitable option under "python3 manage.py" command and also didnt find any up to date post which related to mailman3 and python3. Additional info: *Database: Postgresql13 *Mailman version: 3.3.4 *Python version: 3.6 Br, Dim

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Mailman archive issues (Hyperkitty)
by klillipuu＠gmail.com June 16, 2021

June 16, 2021

Hello All! I hope its a right place to write my concern about Mailman Hyperkitty. I have same quite odd issues lately and since I'm less experienced with Mailman, any help is welcome. So i have like hybrid version pip installation, where mailman v3 is using python3 and hyperkitty is using python2 (if im correct). I also mention, that hyperkitty is a pretty old version - 1.1.4. The main issue is that if i try to open some large-scale archived list, then i get "504 Gateway Time-out" error on webUI. Any ideas, where could i start improving the situation - should i try to upgrade some packages or do i need to give more resources to host ? Extra information: * I have also noticed some memory violation issues which has caused by uwsgi. * Segfaulting process - kernel: python[25870]: segfault at 24 ip 00007f9decb9a6ea sp 00007ffc413bb3d0 error 6 in libpython2.7.so.1.0[7f9decb10000+17e000] Output from mailman.log: HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: <html> <head><title>504 Gateway Time-out</title></head> <body> <center><h1>504 Gateway Time-out</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.16.1</center> </body> </html> (504) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: <html> <head><title>504 Gateway Time-out</title></head> <body> <center><h1>504 Gateway Time-out</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.16.1</center> </body> </html> (1808) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 210, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: <html> <head><title>504 Gateway Time-out</title></head> <body> <center><h1>504 Gateway Time-out</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.16.1</center> </body> </html>

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#mailman irc channel moving to libera.chat
by Abhilash Raj June 15, 2021

June 15, 2021

Hey Everyone, As some of you might already know that Freenode IRC server now has new owners and most of the volunteer staff have decided to move away from it to create a new IRC server libera.chat[1] due to the policies of the new owners. Along with many other open source projects, we have also decided to move away from freenode to use libera.chat instead. We have registered #mailman there and will be using that as primary IRC channel for Mailman things. Freenode has also decided to drop all registrations, so, #mailman channel there is no longer registered to any member of Mailman Core team as of some time earlier today (Tue June 15th). [1]: https://libera.chat/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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docker-mailman Bump to 3.3.4
by matthew＠alberti.us June 11, 2021

June 11, 2021

Hi Mailman Docker Maintainer(s) (maxking 😊 ), Just wanted to see if the docker-mailman will be bumped to 3.3.4. I believe docker-mailman release 0.3.11 is the latest release, and that gives us Mailman 3.3.3. Thank you. - Matt Alberti

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OS update 18.04 -> 20.04 with Python 3.6 -> 3.8
by Torge Riedel June 6, 2021

June 6, 2021

Hi, just want to report that updating my server's OS from Ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 including an upgrade from Python 3.6 to 3.8 worked 75% on the mailman3 installation. Stopping and disabling the service before prevented most of the problems, but I forget to disable the cron jobs. **sigh** So whenever you have to upgrade your OS including python, don't forget the cron jobs. After OS upgrade I renamed both "venv" directories and rebuild them from my notes. Worked. Starting up mailman-core was easy. Getting mailman-web back to work was a little tricky: 1. After rebuild I forgot to run the post-update script, overseen that in my notes. **sigh #2** 2. My uwsgi-emperor was totally confused and needed some guidance and manual remove of .sock file 3. Finally I got this in the logs: /opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/conf.py:139: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than timeout, failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion. Seehttps://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details. warn( I checked the reference file from here: |https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/raw/master/mailman-suite_project/settings.py?inline=false| and it misses the "retry" value. After adding it to Q_CLUSTER everything works fine. Kind regards Torge

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Long-shot cry for help
by David Partain June 3, 2021

June 3, 2021

Hi, I'm having severe operational issues with my mailman3 site. My site is built on standard Ubuntu packages (18.04), and they're ancient. I'm having two big issues... 1. I have the old smiley problem that I've had from the very beginning and never solved. I have added 'charset': 'utf8mb4' to the relevant config file (/etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py), but that hasn't "taken", in the sense that the calls to mysql do not include the charset stuff. /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py links to /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py and there is no file /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.pyc. I moved it out of the way hoping it'd get re-built, but it has not been in the months since. The result of this that I get hundreds of mail messages to root (thousands, really), rapidly filling / with mail in /var/mail/root and logging in /var/log/mail.log. The mail has something like "Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive" and "DataError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive (1366, u"Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x98\\x8A\\x0D\\x0A...' for column 'content' at row 1")" I have tried to trace to figure out what file is _actually_ controlling the calls to mysql. There's a file called /var/lib/ucf/cache/:etc:mailman3:mailman-web.py as well, but I have no idea what that is or if it might be used. Is there something like 'mailman info' for mailman-web so I can see what files are being used? I'd love to fix this... 2. There's this one curious cron job... * * * * * www-data [ -f /usr/bin/django-admin ] && python2.7 /usr/bin/django-admin runjobs minutely --pythonpath /usr/share/mailman3-web --settings settings (yes, I know python2.7 is a problem... see the last paragraph below). These jobs start piling up. They run & run & run, and eventually the machine screeches to halt when it runs out of memory and goes belly up. This is a relatively recent development. After a while, I'll have 5 or 6 or more of these all running, looking something like this: www-data 6366 6364 99 15:00 ? 00:12:27 python2.7 /usr/bin/django-admin runjobs minutely --pythonpath /usr/share/mailman3-web --settings settings What this means in practice right now is that I'm forced to go in and kill these on a regular basis or the machine _will_ die and people _will_ shout at me. Does anyone have any idea why these might not be finishing? Can I comment this out completely & live happier? Any help whatsoever? ----------------------------------- Finally, I should add that I know my current installation is fundamentally flawed because I chose to go with distro packages. I simply cannot fix it. My strong recommendation to others who follow me is that they do NOT do this. Bite the bullet and install via pip... I'm now in the process of setting up a new server that is completely based on the latest via pip installation. I have to get away from what I have or lose my sanity. Cheers, David

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Send MySQL data to mailman list for distribution
by Zden Pos June 2, 2021

June 2, 2021

I'm trying to connect existing MySQL data to the Mailman distribution list. Actually, a message is sent from the web page. It remains on this page and is also stored in the MySQL table on the provider server. This is working fine. I have also existing Mailman distribution list generated from the cPanel on the provider server as well. This list is working fine when used for a direct mailing. I need to link the MySQL table to the Mailman distribution list. When the message is posted on the web page and stored in the MySQL table, it is also to be sent to members as per the Mailman distribution list. I don't know where to configure it. In the phpMyAdmn page of the MySQL or in the Malman menu ? Thank you for your help

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Getting connection timed out
by blackout69 June 1, 2021

June 1, 2021

Hello everybody, for a couple of days I have been seeing several lines calling these on /var/log/mail.log May 22 18:22:57 glugct postfix/qmgr[21205]: 0ACE641C1B: from=<lug-bounces(a)catania.linux.it>, size=3698, nrcpt=9 (queue active) May 22 18:23:06 glugct postfix/qmgr[27175]: 0ACE641C1B: from=<lug-bounces(a)catania.linux.it>, size=3698, nrcpt=9 (queue active) May 22 18:23:36 glugct postfix/smtp[27177]: 0ACE641C1B: to=<myaddress(a)simail.it>, relay=none, delay=55152, delays=55122/0.07/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail.simail.it[217.27.113.30]:25: Connection timed out) May 22 19:33:06 glugct postfix/qmgr[27175]: 0ACE641C1B: from=<lug-bounces(a)catania.linux.it>, size=3698, nrcpt=9 (queue active) May 22 19:33:36 glugct postfix/smtp[28757]: 0ACE641C1B: to=<myaddress(a)simail.it>, relay=none, delay=59352, delays=59322/0.04/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail.simail.it[217.27.113.30]:25: Connection timed out) May 22 18:33:06 glugct postfix/qmgr[27175]: 955D241C15: from=<direttivo-bounces(a)catania.linux.it>, size=11026, nrcpt=3 (queue active) May 22 18:33:36 glugct postfix/smtp[27474]: 955D241C15: to=<myaddress(a)simail.it>, relay=none, delay=124379, delays=124349/0.02/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail.simail.it[217.27.113.30]:25: Connection timed out) May 22 19:43:06 glugct postfix/qmgr[27175]: 955D241C15: from=<direttivo-bounces(a)catania.linux.it>, size=11026, nrcpt=3 (queue active) May 22 19:43:36 glugct postfix/smtp[28975]: 955D241C15: to=<myaddress(a)simail.it>, relay=none, delay=128579, delays=128549/0.04/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail.simail.it[217.27.113.30]:25: Connection timed out) But always on a single email address.What could it depend on?Probable that the mail.simail.it server is blacklisted? Thank you in advanc -- blackout69

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How to store additional information about lists?
by Andreas Barth May 30, 2021

May 30, 2021

Hi together, I need to add custom attributes to the mailing lists: "responsible department": Free text field who is responsible from an organisational pov (not a person but an entity) Enhance the boolean public to a tri-state: public, restricted audience and private (restricted audience means: some people could subscribe themself - how that works is a different topic but w/o the information this can't be achived) - of course this could also be implemented as a second boolean that e.g. splits "not public" into "restricted audience" and "private" (means: nothing goes wrong for code that doesn't know this difference). Any hints how to do that best? Is it possible to store custom attributes, or should that be stored elsewhere? Andi

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email command join - problem
by sky.x＠nazelenej.sk May 28, 2021

May 28, 2021

Hi All Im using Mailman core 3.3.4 on Ubuntu 20.04 with python 3.8 anf have this problem with email command join. When send command to ml-request@ join address=some.email(a)domain.com Response is: Confirmation email sent to 3dsome.email(a)domain.com It add characters 3d to email and realy sent confirmation to it. Also help command for join return me join [digest=<no|mime|plain>] [address=user(a)example.com] But digest doesnt work as after command join digest=no address=some.email(a)domain.com i get join bad argument: digest=no I will be thankfull for any help/advice. S.

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trying to clean up the "held messages" mess
by Bjoern Franke May 28, 2021

May 28, 2021

Hi, I migrated a Mailman3 installation on Debian10 yesterday evening from Debian packages to PIP (thanks to [1]). I think some bugs which existed before are now cleaned out, but mailman still threw exceptions when trying to get the "held messages". I went through the pendedkeyvalue table of the MySQL DB to get all request ids of the held messages and their lists and discarded the messages via curl and the REST API. Mailman also logged the discarding was successful. The amount of held messages is now reduced, but e.g. a list with 120 held messages before has till 59 held messages. And now I'm confused: where are they? Best Regards Bjoern [1]https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10

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non-member moderation: list default vs default processing
by dancab＠caltech.edu May 24, 2021

May 24, 2021

I've started testing and importing lists from Mailman2 to Mailman3. I've found that there's an inconsistency with the non-members moderation setting. As a result we have non-members unable to email a list via Mailman3 that had no problem on Mailman2. Each time this problem has come up I've had to change the moderation setting from "List Default" to "Default Processing". But I've also noticed that some non-members were imported and already have "Default Processing" configured. Can you help me understand what determines this setting in Mailman3? It seems this would be something addressed via the mailman import21 option I've been using to import the lists. Thanks. ---- Dan Caballero Systems Administrator Academic Computing Solutions IMSS - Caltech https://imss.caltech.edu

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Intermittent: pymysql.err.InternalError: Packet sequence number wrong - got 102 expected 77
by Torge Riedel May 24, 2021

May 24, 2021

|Hi list, sometimes I get the following error in mailman core's log: "pymysql.err.InternalError: Packet sequence number wrong - got 102 expected 77". I attached the full log after this mail. I check the provided link in the log (|||http://sqlalche.me/e/2j85|) and also searched for it on the internet and found the following possible reasons: 1. DB user does not have permissions at all -> I doubt that, because in general mailman is working ok 2. DB user is not allowed to connect from remote -> I doubt that too, because everything is on one host and DB user is allowed to connect from localhost 3. Multi-Threading -> pymysql is mentioned to be not thread-safe and each thread needs its own connection May this be caused by multi-threading? What do I have to do (is there anything I can do?) to solve this on my own?||||| Kind regards Torge || |Full log follows: [2021-05-23 07:31:45 +0200] [8244] [ERROR] Error handling request /3.1/lists?advertised=true&count=10&page=1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1284, in _execute_context cursor, statement, parameters, context File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 590, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 170, in execute result = self._query(query) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 328, in _query conn.query(q) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 517, in query self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 732, in _read_query_result result.read() File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1082, in read self._read_result_packet(first_packet) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1151, in _read_result_packet self._get_descriptions() File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1222, in _get_descriptions field = self.connection._read_packet(FieldDescriptorPacket) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 671, in _read_packet % (packet_number, self._next_seq_id)) pymysql.err.InternalError: Packet sequence number wrong - got 102 expected 77 The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 193, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "falcon/api.py", line 274, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "falcon/api.py", line 269, in falcon.api.API.__call__ File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 322, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 172, in _make_collection request, self._get_collection(request)) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 167, in _paginate return list_start, total_size, collection[list_start:list_end] File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/utilities/queries.py", line 42, in __getitem__ return self._query[index] File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3149, in __getitem__ return list(res) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3481, in __iter__ return self._execute_and_instances(context) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3506, in _execute_and_instances result = conn.execute(querycontext.statement, self._params) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1020, in execute return meth(self, multiparams, params) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/sql/elements.py", line 298, in _execute_on_connection return connection._execute_clauseelement(self, multiparams, params) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1139, in _execute_clauseelement distilled_params, File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1324, in _execute_context e, statement, parameters, cursor, context File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1518, in _handle_dbapi_exception sqlalchemy_exception, with_traceback=exc_info[2], from_=e File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/compat.py", line 178, in raise_ raise exception File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1284, in _execute_context cursor, statement, parameters, context File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 590, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 170, in execute result = self._query(query) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 328, in _query conn.query(q) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 517, in query self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 732, in _read_query_result result.read() File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1082, in read self._read_result_packet(first_packet) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1151, in _read_result_packet self._get_descriptions() File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1222, in _get_descriptions field = self.connection._read_packet(FieldDescriptorPacket) File "/opt/mailman/core/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 671, in _read_packet % (packet_number, self._next_seq_id)) sqlalchemy.exc.InternalError: (pymysql.err.InternalError) Packet sequence number wrong - got 102 expected 77 [SQL: SELECT mailinglist.list_id AS mailinglist_list_id, mailinglist.preferred_language AS mailinglist_preferred_language, mailingli$ FROM mailinglist WHERE mailinglist.advertised = true ORDER BY mailinglist.list_id LIMIT %(param_1)s] [parameters: {'param_1': 10}] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/2j85) |

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Unknown attribute: process_bounces
by xlefloch＠alwaysdata.com May 21, 2021

May 21, 2021

Hello, I've upgraded my Mailman installation from those versions: mailman==3.2.2 postorius==1.2.4 mailmanclient==3.2.2 To those ones: mailman==3.3.0 postorius==1.3.3 mailmanclient==3.3.2 I'm having issues in Postorius in the settings section: Unknown attribute: process_bounces. When i'm printing the settings list for the concerned list retrieved by the REST API, i'am missing all the parameters related to the management of bounces. In the "mailinglist" table of the Mailman database, i have the columns managing these parameters. Anyone have any ideas? Regards,

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New Mailman 3 installation issues
by sarah.hartt＠ionica.ca May 21, 2021

May 21, 2021

I have been trying to get a mailman 3 installation working for longer than I'd like to admit. Core appears to be installed and working as desired but Postorius (and hyperkitty, but I haven't even started troubleshooting it while trying to get the web interface working) is only loading the main page with no lists shown and all remaining links return a server error (specific text is: "Server error An error occurred while processing your request." with the error text highlighted). I think I followed all of the installation instructions, including the updated pythonpath line in the systemd module, but it's entirely possible that there is an error somewhere along the way. I have had to make two minor tweaks, the /static/ location was moved from /opt/mailman/web/static to /var/www/mailman/ (owner mailman:nginx) as nginx was giving permissions errors (even if it owned the files or with the mod set to 777) with the default location and wouldn't load the css, and installed postgres directly from their repo as the method in the guide doesn't create the user. Aside from that everything should be exactly as laid out in the installation guide. The logs are showing everything running and the DB logs show all the queries going through successfully, there are no errors in the web logs corresponding with the errors being served on the site aside an entry for a 500 in the access logs [18/May/2021:12:13:01] "GET /archives/ HTTP/1.1" 500 1102 "http://mailman3/mailman3/lists/" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/89.0.4389.91 Safari/537.36" "-" when I took a look in the DB tables many of them appear to be empty, I have a few lists in core that were imported from 2.1 but no new lists created. Mailman: 3.3.4 Postorius: 1.3.4 OS: Oracle Linux 8.3 Python: 3.6 postgres: 13.2

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timezone in hyperkitty
by erlonmz＠hotmail.com May 21, 2021

May 21, 2021

How do I change the hyperkitty timezone?

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Re: [EXTERNAL] [Mailman-Users] Re: Help with 'The message has no valid senders'
by Mark Sapiro May 21, 2021

May 21, 2021

On 5/19/21 10:37 AM, McGuire, Tommy M. (MSFC-IS90)[EAST2] wrote: > > Here are (what I think are :-)) the anonymized relevant parts of the smtp.log. > > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) _handle_client readline: b'MAIL FROM:<aaaaaaaaaa.a.aaaaa-1(a)nasa.gov> SIZE=11726\r\n' > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) ('127.0.0.1', 52130) >> b'MAIL FROM:<aaaaaaaaaa.a.aaaaa-1(a)nasa.gov> SIZE=11726' > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) ('127.0.0.1', 52130) sender: aaaaaaaaaa.a.aaaaa-1(a)nasa.gov > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) ('127.0.0.1', 52130) << b'250 OK' > ... > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) DATA readline: b'From: "Aaaaa, Aaaaaaaaaa A. (location)[employer,\r\n' > May 19 08:52:29 2021 (126270) DATA readline: b' Inc.]" <aaaaaaaaaa.a.aaaaa-1(a)nasa.gov>\r\n' That all looks good. I don't understand what's wrong. Can you apply the attached patch to mailman/rules/no_senders.py and see what you get in Mailman's debug.log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Can't deliver mails in queue
by Nathanael Schneider May 20, 2021

May 20, 2021

Hello, I have stumbled upon some weird issues with my migration to mailman3.. I've followed the step by step instructions for installing mm3 manually in a venv with postfix and virtual aliases (if that is of any significance). Now the Problem is, that some lists don't deliver EMails at all. The list was one which I migrated with the mailman21 command. But the Mail I sent did not get through to no one and the mailman logs did not show anything. I then created a completely new List which did not exists in mm2.1, subscribed two addresses and sent myself an EMail. That one worked as intended. I then deleted the whole broken list and created it cleanly, added the same two people, sent an email and nothing. Did not show up in the Moderation Queue or anywhere. it also doesn't get shunted. It just never arrives. I then turned the log level to debug on the smtp module. And I only get the following statement, ever repeating, never ending: [...] May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object at 0x7fb49b143780> May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) IndividualDelivery to: nathanael(a)lumenliquid.net May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object at 0x7fb4974541d0> May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) IndividualDelivery to: nathanael(a)lumenliquid.net May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object at 0x7fb4978db438> May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) IndividualDelivery to: nathanael(a)lumenliquid.net May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object at 0x7fb497f05f28> May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) IndividualDelivery to: nathanael(a)lumenliquid.net May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object at 0x7fb4978adb38> May 19 18:54:40 2021 (8280) IndividualDelivery to: nathanael(a)lumenliquid.net [...] I have no clue what to do with this. I then turned the debug module loglevel to debug. Also nothing useful. Just an endless list of [...] May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f2faf384c80>: <B9531076-2480-4925-9A2B-57802B53D5ED(a)gmx.de> May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7203) [ArchiveRunner] starting oneloop May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7203) [ArchiveRunner] ending oneloop: 0 May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] finishing filebase: 1621441049.4089153+6dff56673dc64b890dd352941267782c264586dd May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] doing periodic May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] committing transaction May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] checking short circuit May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] ending oneloop: 1 May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloop May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1621441049.4628382+6a0437ea387a2508ad947c0a51712075cbdb6d2e May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefile May 19 18:17:29 2021 (7209) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f2faf384c80>: <B9531076-2480-4925-9A2B-57802B53D5ED(a)gmx.de> [...] Which also tells me nothing I can understand. I have no clue what's going wrong. (I've turned on debugging both on the original member list and the reduced member list. Both hang on the first delivery they do). If I restart mailman, the message gets correctly shunted as it is interrupted mid-delivery. My maillogs don't register any activity beside the listpost. Any ideas what I need to do to figure out what's not working here or where the culprit could be? Not sure if it is related to the mailinglist being in mailman2.1 before. -- Nathanael Schneider

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Bounce counter visibility for List Admins
by smorytko＠gmail.com May 19, 2021

May 19, 2021

As you may know, we use MM3 but the Affinity/Empathy flavor and we only have List Administrator using the Postorious/Affinity. Unlike many here, we have no access to any server-based files. Can someone tell me if Postorious gives list administrators visibility into the bounce counters? While List Admins get to set various bounce counters we have no visibility of those counters until, all of a sudden, an entire source of subscribers hits the bounce threshold and gets bounced off the list. It would be really nice to be able to see the bounce counters and possibly head off trouble before users/subscriber mail hosts. It can serve as an effective early warning system that something is wrong. Assuming Postorious cannot, is there another way List Admins can inspect bounce counters? Email command? Thanks - Steve

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Re: [EXTERNAL] [Mailman-Users] Re: Help with 'The message has no valid senders'
by Mark Sapiro May 19, 2021

May 19, 2021

Putting this back on the list. On 5/19/21 9:46 AM, McGuire, Tommy M. (MSFC-IS90)[EAST2] wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ... >> Have you set >> ``` >> [mailman] >> sender_headers: ... >> ``` >> in mailman.cfg?, and if so, to what? > > We have not changed it: > > [mailman] sender_headers: from from_ reply-to sender > > According to the smtp.log, there was an envelope sender ("MAIL FROM:.."), which matched the From header. In the example I'm looking at right now, the sender was not a member of the list, but the Accept these non-members box in the list settings has a regexp that matches the sender's domain. In another example from this morning, to a different list, the envelope sender and From header match, and is a member of the list. > > I don't see any obvious reason or configuration setting that would make either address invalid. First of all, the discard has nothing to do with whether the sender has any connection to the list. It only says the message had no sender at all. Assuming the message had a From: with a syntactically valid email address, this discard should not occur. Also, if the envelope (MAIL FROM:) was a syntactically valid email address, this discard should not occur. The address is validated by mailman/email/validate.py by first splitting it into `local_part`, `@`, `[domain_parts]` where domain_parts are the `between dots` parts of the domain and then validating the local_part and domain with regexps defined per > # What other characters should be allowed? > _valid_local = re.compile("[-0-9a-z!#$%&'*+./=?@_`{}~]", re.IGNORECASE) > # Strictly speaking, both ^ and | are allowed and others are allowed in quoted > # local parts, but this can open the door to certain web exploits so we don't > # allow them. > _valid_domain = re.compile('[-a-z0-9]', re.IGNORECASE) > # These are the only characters allowed in domain parts. Does the From: local part or the MAIL FROM: contain any characters not in the [-0-9a-z!#$%&'*+./=?@_`{}~] class? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/
by Mark Dadgar May 19, 2021

May 19, 2021

I have a user attempting to access the list archives and he’s generating this login error. I have verified that he does have a django account. I’ve never seen this one before and I didn’t find anything relevant in the lit archives. Any ideas what’s going on here? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 ----------------------------------------------- From: noreply(a)pdc-racing.net Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ Date: May 18, 2021 at 2:38:20 PM PDT To: mark(a)pdc-racing.net Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ MultipleObjectsReturned at /accounts/login/ get() returned more than one EmailAddress -- it returned 2! Request Method: POST Request URL: https://mail.pdc-racing.net/accounts/login/ Django Version: 3.0.12 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python Python Version: 3.8.5 Python Path: ['/opt/mailman/mm', '/opt/mailman/mm/', '/opt/mailman/mm/bin', '/usr/lib/python38.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.8', '/usr/lib/python3.8/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages'] Server time: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:38:20 -0700 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 43, in _wrapper return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/decorators/debug.py", line 76, in sensitive_post_parameters_wrapper return view(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 146, in dispatch return super(LoginView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 74, in dispatch response = super(RedirectAuthenticatedUserMixin, self).dispatch( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 97, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 102, in post response = self.form_valid(form) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 159, in form_valid return form.login(self.request, redirect_url=success_url) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/forms.py", line 195, in login ret = perform_login( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/utils.py", line 174, in perform_login if not _has_verified_for_login(user, email): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/utils.py", line 134, in _has_verified_for_login emailaddress = EmailAddress.objects.get_for_user(user, email) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/managers.py", line 54, in get_for_user ret = self.get(user=user, email__iexact=email) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 419, in get raise self.model.MultipleObjectsReturned( Exception Type: MultipleObjectsReturned at /accounts/login/ Exception Value: get() returned more than one EmailAddress -- it returned 2! Request information: USER: AnonymousUser

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OS upgrade - anything to take care of?
by Torge Riedel May 15, 2021

May 15, 2021

Dear MM3 users, today I upgraded one of two servers from Ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 and - besides some minor config updates - postfix & dovecot worked well afterwards. So I am very optimistic that the upgrade of the second server from 18.04 to 20.04 will also work fine. But the second server is running MM3 (installed in venv) and I saw that on upgrade Python 3.8 is installed. Is there anything I have to take care of? Anything to do / change in venv? Kind regards Torge

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Re: Core, Hyperkitty and Postorius releases
by Odhiambo Washington May 15, 2021

May 15, 2021

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 2:52 PM Jeff Steele <jeff(a)steele.com> wrote: > > > On May 14, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > /bin/sh: sass: Permission denied* > > > > Did you check the permissions on your sass binary? > My mailman installed in /opt/mailman/mm find /opt/mailman/ -type f -name sass yielded nothing! pip3 install sass generated so many errors then ended with: ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python -u -c 'import io, os, sys, setuptools, tokenize; sys.argv[0] = '"'"'/tmp/pip-install-cltizg93/sass_9783b9d070744303b5c04271674abc23/setup.py'"'"'; __file__='"'"'/tmp/pip-install-cltizg93/sass_9783b9d070744303b5c04271674abc23/setup.py'"'"';f = getattr(tokenize, '"'"'open'"'"', open)(__file__) if os.path.exists(__file__) else io.StringIO('"'"'from setuptools import setup; setup()'"'"');code = f.read().replace('"'"'\r\n'"'"', '"'"'\n'"'"');f.close();exec(compile(code, __file__, '"'"'exec'"'"'))' install --record /tmp/pip-record-1g2omozl/install-record.txt --single-version-externally-managed --compile --install-headers /opt/mailman/mm/venv/include/site/python3.7/sass Check the logs for full command output. I will have to blow away mailman and start afresh. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v "^$|^.*#" :-)

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Core, Hyperkitty and Postorius releases
by Abhilash Raj May 15, 2021

May 15, 2021

Hey Everyone, I am pleased to announce new stable releases for Mailman Core, Postorius, Hyperkitty. These include both new features and bug fixes. Complete change log for each components: Mailman Core 3.3.3: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… Postorius 1.3.4 https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html Hyperkitty 1.3.4 : https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html Minimum supported Python version is 3.6. You can install them using: $ pip install --upgrade postorius hyperkitty mailman We have also recently been working on making the installation instructions[1] to be more detailed and added a new FAQ[2] section for administrators where I hope to capture common questions from mailman-users list. Feedback or Merge Requests to improve these docs are welcome. You can either send an email or open an issue on Gitlab (easier to track) here[3]. [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html [2]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html [3]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/issues Thanks to everyone who helped out with with this release and contributed if any way! :) thanks, Abhilash Raj On behalf of Mailman Core Team

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Hyperkitty download mbox
by Andrew Hodgson May 14, 2021

May 14, 2021

Hi, Hyperkitty 1.3.4. I am trying to download a complete list mbox by going to all threads view and using the download option. I have tried a couple of tools (Gunzip and Winrar) and both are giving me an unexpected end of file when trying to decompress the gz file. Here is the list URL I am using: https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/hyperkitty/list/plextalk@lists.hodgsonfamil… Any suggestions? Thanks. Andrew.

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Sad news - Brian Carpenter
by smorytko＠gmail.com May 13, 2021

May 13, 2021

https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/21066847/Brian-Keith-Carpenter/wa… I mentioned some "unfortunate circumstances" in a recent post. An inquiry from Mark Sapiro prompted me to do a search and I sadly found this. Brian's company managed our list and on 4/22 we became aware that he was hospitalized with Covid. Rest in peace Brian. Steve Morytko

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Problems with New MM3 Installation
by Jeff May 12, 2021

May 12, 2021

After using Mailman 2 (and possibly 1 though I don’t remember) for almost 20 years, I have just upgraded to Mailman 3. I followed the instructions here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… Things generally work, but I have run into a couple of small problems: 1) The uwsgi-error.log is filling with errors that seem to culminate in "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named ‘settings’”. My settings.py is located in “/etc/mailman3” and seems to be found by other components of MM3. This error must be coming from the cron jobs. Does anyone have any ideas how to fix this problem? 2) While old messages were imported without issue, new emails are not being archives. I see them in: mailman3/mm/var/archives/prototype/[listname]@[domain]/new But they are not being delivered. I have added this to my mailman.cfg: [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /usr/local/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg And created the "/usr/local/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg” as such: base_url: http://localhost/archives/ api_key: [key that matches “MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY” in my settings.py] Some documentation says that the url should be "http://localhost/hyperkitty/“, but url generates a page not found error on my setup while the archives are available at the “archives” url. I would greatly appreciate any assistance with these two issues. Thanks much, Jeff

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List Digest - Subject line
by smorytko＠gmail.com May 12, 2021

May 12, 2021

Is there a way to optionally cause the Subject line to display with the text body and as a summary at the top of the digest? I ask because on our mailing list (and probably many others too) subscribers include important content in the subject line and do NOT repeat it in the body of the text. So when the digest formatting places the Subject lines at the top to create "Today's Topics" as it does for all digest subscribers, the subject line and text body are widely separated making comprehension of the message much more difficult and separating important content unless it's repeated. This also happens on our list which uses Affinity/Empathy rather than Hyperkitty. In general, while a Today's Topics summary is useful, I think it would be preferable to always include the subject line with the body (one add'l line per digest message). Again I'm wondering if this is a web front-end function, a MM3 core function, or perhaps both? I ask because if it's not a MM3 core function I'll need to ask our developer for an Empathy modification. Below is an example from an Empathy-base list that shows how difficult it is to fully comprehend messages when the subject line is separated from the text body. The same issue would seem to be present in a Hyperkitty based list: Today's Topics: 1. Wilson’s Warbler (Albert Laguna) 2. RB Nuthatch, Kent (John Johnson) 3. Happy Mothers Day Summer Tanager (Visit Today Only) (Aidan Kiley) 4. Wimisink Sora, Marsh Wren (Angela Dimmitt) 5. Stn 43 South Windsor (Paul Desjardins) 6. White-crowned Sparrows at Hammonasset (Paul Smith) 7. Re: White-crowned Sparrows at Hammonasset (Paul Smith) 730am Beaver Pond Park in New Haven. Wilson’s Warbler sporting its distinctive black cap. Very birdy with yellow warbler, blue headed vireo, ruby crowned kinglet warbling vireo joining the fun, among others. Sent from my iPhone Red-breasted Nuthatch at our feeder this morning. First time ever in our yard in 35 years! John Johnson Kent FOR TODAY ONLY: Our special friend is still here today! I would like to open it up allow more people to see him because I really hate how “clique like” the birding community is here. Anyone interested can come stop by but would need to email me letting me know they’re interested in coming first. I will check my email and then I will send my address with instructions and where they are allowed to go. Thanks! Jill (jmahar(a)udel.edu) Jill Mahar Easton 5/9 - Sora back, calling; marsh wren, near end of boardwalk - Sherman/Wimisink marsh, Rte.39 at 55. Angela Dimmitt New Milford Paul Desjardins paul.desjardins2(a)gmail.com Phone: (860) 623-3696 This morning at the end of the Vibert Road section White Crowned Sparrow and north of Vibert Road f o y 2 Indigo Buntings. Paul Desjardins Windsor Locks 2 White-crowned Sparrows at Middle Beach. At the circular road by the picnic tables. Sent from my iPhone Oops, sent too soon Paul Smith New Haven Sent from my iPhone

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Re: content filtering in version 3.1
by Simon Handfield May 12, 2021

May 12, 2021

Hi everyone, I'm sorry to resurrect this thread from so long ago but it appeared to provide exactly the answer I was looking for, trying to manage pass_types in 3.1.1 on Ubuntu 18.04. GNU Mailman 3.1.1 (Between The Wheels) Unfortunately when I run: ./bin/mailman shell -l [list address] I receive: usage: mailman [-h] [-v] [-C CONFIG] {help,aliases,conf,create,digests,import21,info,inject,lists,members,qfile,remove,reopen,restart,shell,start,status,stop,unshunt,version,withlist} ... mailman: error: unrecognized arguments: -l Can anyone advise how I can use the -l switch to manage this setting for a list? Thanks, Simon. _ [State Library of NSW]<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> Simon Handfield Desktop and Infrastructure Leader simon.handfield(a)sl.nsw.gov.au<mailto:simon.handfield@sl.nsw.gov.au> +61 2 9273 1535 Macquarie Street, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia www.sl.nsw.gov.au<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.

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[Docs] Document on how to deploy mailman suit into HA mode
by TommyLike Hu May 10, 2021

May 10, 2021

Hey mailman teams. We deployed mailman suite service for our community, and everything looks good to us now, but we are asking whether there are any documents on how to deploy the mailman suite service into HA mode, any document or conversation will be helpful, thanks! link: how we deploy mailman suite service in kubernetes: https://github.com/opensourceways/infra-common/tree/master/common-applicati… TommyLike openEuler infrastructure 2021/5/10

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400 Bad Request when administrator tries to selectively override member options
by ieso＠johnwillson.com May 8, 2021

May 8, 2021

This is probably Design Intent, but I'd just like to confirm. When an administrator submits partial 'member options', it comes back with the details of a 400 - Bad Request, indicating essentially that all of the member options must be set. Screenshot: https://ibb.co/pzM5Z4m It would be a bit smoother to check that all values are selected before sending the request, and inform the administrator that they cannot selectively override member settings for their list. But most importantly, I would like to confirm that nothing is corrupt/broken in our implementation. Thanks in advance for any guidance.

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[Mailman-Users] Web interface for users (not admins)?
by Stephen J. Turnbull May 8, 2021

May 8, 2021

Hi Skip! First, a bit of admin. Mailman 2 is still in active use, so we've split out a separate list for Mailman 3: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org. Subscribe at https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ You can use several common social media to authenticate yourself. You'll have to do the usual one-time key dance to verify your email address (sorry!) You will get good feedback from the users there (better than the OP list). ** Reply-To set, please use "reply to author" to follow up. ** Skip Montanaro writes: > So, I got to thinking... Are there any free web user (not admin) > interfaces which integrate with MM3? Yes. The HyperKitty archiver, which is part of the Mailman 3 suite[1], provides an interface for submitting posts as well as reading them, and has a few social media features (liking posts). > Something which when combined with MM3 could conceivably be an > alternative to Google Groups, (the now defunct) Yahoo! Groups, or > Groups.o? That's for your users to say. ;-) If you visit https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/ you can try it for yourself. To post, you'll need to sign up (you can do that with a Google account, and I think both GitHub and GitLab are accepted as well. > I poked around the archives a bit and browsed list.org for a few > minutes, but turned up nothing. Or rather, all I found related to > web interfaces was the admin interface. HyperKitty issues mostly have to do with importing archives. The webservice being effectively synchronous and centralized doesn't have a lot of problems as compared to email, and many feature suggestions go directly to the tracker for HyperKitty. I'm not surprised you don't find much about HyperKitty as Web UI in the list archives.

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mailman3 exim4 and debian 1 problem fconnection lost
by roberto Burceni May 6, 2021

May 6, 2021

[Mailman-Users] mailman3 and exim4 problem in debian bullseye Good evening, I'm configuring mailman3 with exim4 on a debian 11. I followed the official documentation on mailman for exim. It seems to be all rights, but I have a problem: when I send a message to a new lists in exim logs I see that exim uses correctly mailman router and transport. Unfortunately in smtp.log in mailman3 log folder I have the following error: May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) sender: servizioinformatico(a)uicbs.it May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) Data: b'RCPT TO: <listtest-unsubscribe(a)uicbs.it>' May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) recip: listtest-unsubscribe(a)uicbs.it May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) Data: b'DATA' May 04 16:51:02 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) Data: b'QUIT' May 04 16:51:02 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) connection lost May 04 16:51:02 2021 (2337) Connection lost during _handle_client() This causes that messages are not sent from mailman to users. Have you an idea of the problem? Can it be a memory problem that causes that mailman responses are too slow and exim closes the comunication before the end? I have no other errors in other log files Thank you in advance -- Roberto Burceni Linux System Admin & PHP developer Esperto accessibilità siti web E-mail: roberto(a)robertoburceni.it Phone: +393358208080 P.iva: 04025840986mbre per il mat

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Correct way to filter auto-replies to list?
by Gary Holman May 6, 2021

May 6, 2021

I have seen a few messages on this list regarding handling 'out of office' auto-replies. However I do not see a final resolution. What is the best practice to filter auto-replies to list: header filter or postfix milter-reject or something else? We are running dockerized Mailman 3 version 1.3.4. A list user auto-replied their vacation message to list and then the listserv created a chain-reaction of continuously replying to auto-replies by that user. There isn't really a good header option to filter from, as the subject seems to be randomized. For example: From <SENDER ADDRESS> Tue May 4 19:02:29 2021 From: Sender Name <SENDER ADDRESS> To: <LIST ADDRESS> Subject: [electronics-daq] Re: 25ad Date: Tue, 04 May 2021 20:59:57 +0200 Message-ID: <A2FB195E-5261-4F26-AF19-7AFE0B0632A5> In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3C0101017937874647-cf4b59ca-737e-4db0-9a01-85d9d43c8?= =?utf-8?q?d68-000000=40us-west-2=2Eamazonses=2Ecom=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7283775935526227777==" --===============7283775935526227777== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Gary

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Mailman 3 Web Application Startup Time or Availability - 502 Bad Gateway and Postorius
by summersan＠nclack.k12.or.us May 3, 2021

May 3, 2021

Hello, I've been setting up a new Mailman 3 installation earlier this year, and I think things have been going okay so far. I've noticed, however, that after a long amount of time passes (for example, a weekend), when I try to visit the local Mailman 3 web application (e.g., example.mailman.site/mailman3/lists/, where it says "Postorius" at the top left corner of the page and shows a list of mailing lists in the body of the page), I sometimes get a 502 Bad Gateway type of error (referenced from my notes). As far as I can tell, this looks like a normal web server (nginx?) error. If I try visiting the Mailman 3 server location again in a web browser shortly thereafter, I still might get a 502 Bad Gateway error. If I wait a while longer (maybe a minute or more?), the Mailman 3 web application appears to load as expected. I've tried looking at the gunicorn documentation (https://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/index.html) and searching online (including in this Mailman3 mailing list) to see if there's something that can be done to fix this issue. The closest thing I can find for now is advice for something that, while possibly being technologically unrelated, includes the idea of "warmup requests", which makes me think of simply setting up some sort of script to periodically load a page on the Mailman 3 web application in order to keep it more available for visitors (https://stackoverflow.com/a/57056170) Is there a setting or something in any of the Mailman 3 related programs that could help with keeping the Mailman 3 web application up and running more often without having to resort to making an ongoing, automated request to the Mailman 3 web application? Thank you. * Note: "Mailman 3" terminology is referenced from this page: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/

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Exception with processing subscription confirmation email
by Eric Broens April 29, 2021

April 29, 2021

Hi, A new user tried to subscribe to a mailinglist, received the confirmation mail, and replied to it. The subscriber is however not subscribed and remains listed in the "pending confirmation" list. The following exception appears in the error.log. Does anyone knows how to resolve this? In the past we didn't experience any issues and no changes but security updates have been installed. Apr 29 16:15:55 2021 (1581) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.p y", line 356, in _step_send_confirmation raise StopIteration StopIteration Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) Uncaught runner exception: Expecting ':' delimiter: line 1 column 256 (char 255) Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/command.py" , line 208, in _dispose mlist, msg, msgdata, parts, results) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/eml_confir m.py", line 54, in process mlist).confirm(token) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.p y", line 578, in confirm workflow.restore() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 146, in restore data = json.loads(state.data) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/__init__.py", line 354, in loads return _default_decoder.decode(s) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 339, in decode obj, end = self.raw_decode(s, idx=_w(s, 0).end()) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 355, in raw_decode obj, end = self.scan_once(s, idx) json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Expecting ':' delimiter: line 1 column 256 (char 255) Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) SHUNTING: 1619705788.5856323+57a1a759275c59b732cfa8e2985f76cfcc27dda5 Thanks in advance, Eric

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