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Non-ascii characters missing from Pipermail archive txt and gz downloads
by Mark Dale April 20, 2021

April 20, 2021

Mailman 2.1.34 Debian 10 Postfix Hi I'm hoping someone can shine a light on character encoding issue I've encountered. A plain-text email with non-ascii characters in the body gets posted to the list. As per Mark Sapiro's guide I've captured the incoming message to file. - https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg73469.html The message is received by Mailman with the non-ascii characters displaying correctly. The header of that message has: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In the list's mbox file and archive webpage, the message displays the non-ascii characters correctly. In the archive's downloaded .txt (and also .gz) file, the non-ascii characters are missing and displayed as "?". I've copied the message text in below, from both the correct one from the email and the erroneous .txt file. Hopefully they won't get scrambled up when I send this. Any advice on getting the non-ascii characters written into the archive .txt file would be gratefully received. Thanks, Mark === Message text as okay in mbox and as shown on the archive webpage === If one goes by the definition of veḷippaṭai as given in the Tamil Lexicon that the meaning of an ambiguous word should be disambiguated by a qualifying word, then aruvi āmpal does not conform to that definition since in the case of aruvi āmpal in Patiṟṟuppattu 63, aruvi is really made up of aru+vi, a compound. Moreover, the expression aṭai aṭuppu aṟiyā is already there to clarify that āmpal is a number and not a flower. Thus, aruvi simply provides information in addition to aṭai aṭuppu aṟiyā that āmpal is not a flower. The modern commentator Aruḷampalavaṉār also does not call it veḷippaṭai. === === Message text with missing characters in te archive's txt and gz downloads == If one goes by the definition of ve?ippa?ai as given in the Tamil Lexicon that the meaning of an ambiguous word should be disambiguated by a qualifying word, then aruvi ?mpal does not conform to that definition since in the case of aruvi ?mpal in Pati??uppattu 63, aruvi is really made up of aru+vi, a compound. Moreover, the expression a?ai a?uppu a?iy? is already there to clarify that ?mpal is a number and not a flower. Thus, aruvi simply provides information in addition to a?ai a?uppu a?iy? that ?mpal is not a flower. The modern commentator Aru?ampalava??r also does not call it ve?ippa?ai. ===

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Long lines in mail composed by HyperKitty
by Stephen J. Turnbull April 19, 2021

April 19, 2021

Hi, [I prefer discussion be directed to mailman-developers, so Reply-To is set. But if you're not subscribed to -developers, following up here is OK, and I'll eventually summarize to -developers. Just don't followup to both.] I just noticed that among the agents that send non-conformant long lines[1] is HyperKitty. Nowadays violating the 80 octet limit is common and MUAs mostly handle it, but the 1000 octet limit is enforced by many MTAs[2] I think that HyperKitty should format mail per RFC 3676 format=flowed https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4. However, I don't use "modern" (aka crappy HTML-oriented) clients, so I don't know whether they handle format=flowed properly. Discussion greatly desired. Steve Footnotes: [1] RFC 5321: MTAs MAY impose a limit >= 1000 octets including CRLF. RFC 5322: MUST be <= 1000 octets including CRLF, SHOULD be <= 80 octets including CRLF. [2] In practice, most (?) MTAs just break the line at 998 octets and insert CRLF rather than reject the message. I assume they would break happily in the middle of a multi-byte character, i.e., any non-ASCII in a UTF-8 text.

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GNU Mailman condemns reinstatement of RMS
by Abhilash Raj April 13, 2021

April 13, 2021

To the Mailman community, The GNU Mailman Steering Committee condemns the reinstatement of Richard M. Stallman (RMS) to the Board of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), and has taken the following actions: 1. On behalf of the GNU Mailman project, signed the letter on GitHub[1] calling for the removal of the entire FSF Board, as well as RMS himself. 2. Started exploring ways to move our financial assets, for decades managed by the FSF, to new management. The management fees are small, but this is an important symbolic protest. 3. Started exploring how to leave the GNU Project. On the one hand, if we leave but GNU wants to maintain a "GNU Mailman" project, we cannot stop them, confusing users. On the other hand, RMS is leader of the GNU Project, and has intervened in Mailman affairs on many occasions. We should forestall this in the future. We wish to explain our actions to the community. Although free exchange of software among users is a practice that goes back to days of the earliest general purpose computers, RMS was the first to propose a complete free software distribution, and is the acknowledged founder of the Free Software movement. Even leaders of the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) acknowledge this. We all owe him a debt for this. Nevertheless, the movement has matured and thrived, spawning the competitive open source movement, with whose philosophy Mailman is more closely aligned. While we acknowledge our debt to RMS, we don't need him any longer. And unfortunately, he has become both a symbol and a source of the toxicity in tech communities. The FSF Board did the right thing by accepting RMS's resignation. They did the wrong thing by reinstating him. RMS has a long history of abusive behavior and toxic political positions. A small part of it is described in the open letter on GitHub[1] and its references[2], and several members of the Steering Committee have observed it directly. All of us have heard stories directly from those who were abused or observed it directly. His political positions are public, for example his support of pedophiles. He claims that he in no way supports abusive relationships with children, yet refuses to acknowledge that children are generally in no position to provide consent, an evasive and highly toxic position. There is no question: RMS is toxic. We came for mailing list management, but we stayed for the community. We have a right to protect our community by dissociating it from toxic influences. We do not want our project associated with such a person, nor to provide economic resources to organizations that promote him to leadership positions. We are taking these actions to protect our community, both the narrow community of Mailman developers and users, and the broader open source community, from his toxic behavior and from the reputational damage that will come from helping to enable him. While we have no information suggesting that other members of the FSF Board are similarly toxic as individuals, as a group they enabled RMS for decades, and now have taken an explicit step in enabling him again. If they want to regain their position of respect and acceptance in our community, they must acknowledge their error, and we don't see -- given their reinstatement of RMS himself -- how they can do so convincingly while maintaining their positions on the Board. They must resign, and a new Board composed, to demonstrate their sincerity. What they do is up to them, of course, but if they do not take radical steps, we will continue to consider association with the FSF a threat to our community. For the Mailman community, Abhilash Raj (project leader) Mark Sapiro Stephen J. Turnbull Aurélien Bompard Terri Oda Barry Warsaw John Viega (founder) [1] Text and signatures: https://rms-open-letter.github.io [2] Appendix to the letter: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/appendix Related statements: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/statements

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Resetting users' password for them?
by Duane Raymond April 10, 2021

April 10, 2021

Hi. I have quite a few users who when they reset their password, don't receive their password reset email. It works fine for many, so they are going out. But for those who they don't go out for, I was hoping to get their password reset key/token from the database tables and send it to them...only thing is I can't find it in there! )it may not be there). So what would you suggest for enabling people to reset their password when the system email isn't received: - Is there a way to get the reset token so I can send it manually - if so, where/how do I find it? - Would enabling social login be a work around for this problem? - Anything else you can suggest? Cheers, Duane

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SpamAssassin header confusion
by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie April 10, 2021

April 10, 2021

I'm struggling to understand an aspect of SpamAssassin headers, and would greatly appreciate any help. Here is my scenario: One of my mailbox addresses - say addr1(a)somewhere.com - is a member of a Mailman 3 mailing list. I send a spam email (e.g. one with the GTUBE string) to the list from a different address. My mail server (Postfix/Amavis/Spamassassin) correctly identifies the mail as spam, and, appropriately, adds several spam-related headers - X-Spam-Flag, X-Spam-Score etc. I can see, from the copy of the email that lands in /var/lib/amavis/virusmails on the mail server, that those headers are indeed present. The mail message is handed off to Mailman for processing. The list in question has nonmember_default_action set to "defer", so Mailman sends the message on to each member address. However, the message, as it appears in the inbox of addr1(a)somewhere.com, contains no X-Spam- headers. The only indication of the message's spammish nature is in the Subject line, which has been prepended with the familiar string "***SPAM*****". On the face of it, it looks like Mailman has removed the X-Spam-* headers. If that's so, I don't understand why. I would be very grateful if anyone could help me figure out what is going on here. Thanks in advance, Stephen

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Database deadlock when trying to delete a member.
by Simon Coggins April 9, 2021

April 9, 2021

Hi, I’ve got a strange error. I migrated from mailman 2.1 to 3 using the migration guide on the website and things have been working fine. But I’m in the process of testing the new syncmembers command to replace some inhouse mailman API code we wrote. I’ve tracked my problem down to what appears to be a deadlock in the postgresql database. When trying to delete certain users the SQL query hangs and never returns. After doing some tracing and tracking it down to the database, I enabled DB logging of all queries and saw that the following query was never returning: DELETE FROM member WHERE member.id = 166814 If I try to run it manually I get the same issue, in psql it never returns. mailman=# explain analyze DELETE FROM member WHERE member.id = 166814; [… 60 seconds passes…] ^CCancel request sent ERROR: canceling statement due to user request CONTEXT: while deleting tuple (2998,72) in relation "member" I’m just wondering if there are any commands or scripts I can run to verify the database and it’s constraints to see if there is some error in the database data? Or where you’d recommend I go from here? It only impacts the user on this specific list. If I add this user to another list and remove them, everything works fine. This is on a test system so I can do various testing. I’m trying to find the root cause so that I can verify my production system isn’t impacted by the same thing. Setup Details: OS: Oracle Linux 7 (Redhat) Installed using pip via virtualenv talking to a local pgsql database on the same box. Data was migrated from a mailman 2.1 install into mailman3 using migration instructions on the website. PIP Modules versions: django-mailman3 1.3.5 mailman 3.3.3 mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 mailmanclient 3.3.2 postorius 1.3.4 psycopg2-binary 2.8.5 RPM packages: postgresql12-12.6-1PGDG.rhel7.x86_64 postgresql12-server-12.6-1PGDG.rhel7.x86_64 postgresql12-libs-12.6-1PGDG.rhel7.x86_64 postgresql12-devel-12.6-1PGDG.rhel7.x86_64 -Simon

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Filter who can send on mailman3 list?
by marcus.granath＠gmail.com April 8, 2021

April 8, 2021

Hi! I have a mailman3 mailing list which I admin, and I would like setup the following rule. Me and 3 of my team mates (who are part of the mailman3 list) should be able to send on the list as well as an "no-reply" user, others on the mailman3 list should only be able to receive the e-mails (and of course be able to unsubscribe themself). Both the: "Default action to take when a non-member posts to thelist" and the "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" is set to "Default processing", and I tried to setup actions in the "Header Filters" - but no really success.. :-( So what I basically try do achieve is to have only the following addresses to be allowed to send announcements (e-mails) on the mailman3 list, and all others that are member of the mailman3 list will just receive the e-mails. The usual "announcements" are sent out as the "no-reply" address (that actually are not really part of the mailman3 list) ;-) no-reply(a)abc.com ("fake address" that actually are not really part of the mailing-list) peter(a)abc.com david(a)abc.com marcus(a)abc.com How to achieve this kind of filter with mailman3?

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Configuration variables in Docker
by Jens Günther April 8, 2021

April 8, 2021

Hey there, we installed the latest Docker version of Mailman3 and it seems to work for now. But I have 2 problems with configuration: ## DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS Here it says, that allowed hosts can be added: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/web/ How de we add multiple hosts? Did I miss something? When we set 1 URL, everything works (with 2(!) Domains, since SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN is the first one). Is there a way I miss to input multiple hosts, that the variable is an array? We tried: - DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS=example1.com,example2.com - DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS='example1.com, example2.com' - DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS=example1.com example2.com - DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS=example1.com,\nexample2.com And I think some more, but never works. The corresponding config file says: ALLOWED_HOSTS = [ "localhost", # Archiving API from Mailman, keep it. # "lists.your-domain.org", # Add here all production URLs you may have. "mailman-web", "172.19.199.3", os.environ.get('SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN'), os.environ.get('DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS'), ] -> how is it possible to add an array for multiple Domains? -> if not possible, shall we provide a fix that it is? ## FILTER_VHOST I want this variable to be true in my container. When I set it as a starting variable like the other configuration options, then the variable in the container seems to be set: <code> # export | grep FILTER_VHOST= declare -x FILTER_VHOST="True" </code> But surely it still is set to false in mm-web-container: <code> # cat settings.py | grep FILTER_VHOST FILTER_VHOST = False </code> -> is it ok to put the variable like that!? -> if not, how can it be done, that it is preserved on restarting the container? -> if I see it right, it could be then something like: <code> FILTER_VHOST = os.environ.get('FILTER_VHOST_DOCKER'), </code> -> with some more exceptions-handling, it might work? Thanks in advance, Jens.

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Seeting "Maximum number of recipients"
by David Partain April 8, 2021

April 8, 2021

Hi, I have an (admittedly old) version of Postorius in my install[1] on an Ubuntu 18.04 machine. Most things work fine. However, my version doesn't seem to have a way to set the maximum number of recipients under Message Acceptance, and mail is getting shunted because there was a setting for lists on the old mailman2 lists that I migrated over. If I'm going to avoid shunting, I have to change the value :) Since it isn't in Postorius, how should I change it? I'm frankly terrified of screwing things up on my production system, so any help would be appreciated. Cheers, David [1] python-django-postorius - 1.1.2-3

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Maximum number of recipients Setting
by Brian Carpenter April 4, 2021

April 4, 2021

I have run several tests. It looks like on the 'Maximum number of recipients' setting, a 2 means 1. If I set it to 2, I can have the listname(a)listdomain.com only. If I have a CC, it comes to me for moderation. If I set it to a 3, I can send out to listname(a)listdomain.com plus a CC. If I set it to 3 and add 2 CC's plus the listname(a)listdomain.com address, it comes to me for moderation. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Mailman in Kubernetes
by danil＠smirnov.la April 3, 2021

April 3, 2021

For those who are interested in trying Mailman 3 in Kubernetes there is a Helm chart: https://github.com/danil-smirnov/mailman-helm-chart Your questions and contributions are very welcome! (Sending this from Hyperkitty UI, no clue how it will look like :D )

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No digest.mmdf
by Christine March 29, 2021

March 29, 2021

I have mailman3 running now, more or less. Mailman did not send messages to my list, giving a permiission error on the digest.mmdf file, which was not there. I created the file and made list.list the owner, now it sends messages. I don't know what should have created the file or what set the permissions to the directory, I just thought I'd let you know. dagdag Christine -- dagdag is just a two character rotation of byebye

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Rejection Reason for refusing a subscription request
by Brian Carpenter March 28, 2021

March 28, 2021

I was testing out the process of rejecting an incoming subscription request. Choosing the reject option for a moderated subscription request does send out a rejection notice but it gives no reason for the rejection. Please see: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Your request to the redacted(a)redacted.com mailing list Subscription request has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request: "[No reason given]" Any questions or comments should be directed to the list administrator at: redacted-owner(a)redacted.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is there a place somewhere in Postorius to provide a rejection reasons for moderated subscription requests? Does Mailman 3 core provide this via its REST api but it is just not revealed in Postorius yet? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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rest api runner not running
by Christine March 27, 2021

March 27, 2021

Hi, I have been using mailman for about ten years, now I want to move the lists to another server, I have installed mailman3 there, most of it seems to be running, but the "rest api runner" is not. Nothing is listening on port 8001. What have I missed? What do I do to start the restapi runner? I checked the logs, I don't see anything suspicious. this is what systemctl status says: root@lists:~# systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - Mailman3 server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: timeout) since Sat 2021-03-27 12:04:06 UTC; 6min ago Docs: man:mailman(1) https://mailman.readthedocs.io/ Process: 173111 ExecStart=/usr/bin/mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg start --force (code=killed, signal=TERM) Mar 27 12:02:36 lists systemd[1]: Starting Mailman3 server... Mar 27 12:04:06 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: start operation timed out. Terminating. Mar 27 12:04:06 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'timeout'. Mar 27 12:04:06 lists systemd[1]: Failed to start Mailman3 server. There is nothing in mailman.log, nor in smtp.log dagdag Christine -- dagdag is just a two character rotation of byebye

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Mixing Mailman 3 with AWS SES
by Ralph Weber March 27, 2021

March 27, 2021

I am moving the website www.t10.org from a private/corporate VM to AWS EC2s. For many years, t10.org has had very happy results with using Mailman 2 for its email reflector, and I have no real concerns about moving to Mailman 3. My bugbear is the fact that I need the following mixed bag of incoming email addresses to work in concert with each other to receive and handle emails. > t10(a)t10.org (Primary Mailman Reflector) > chair(a)t10.org (Mailman Reflector to direct messages to the T10 chair and his designates) * docs(a)t10.org (document posting mechanics - serviced by a small mountain of home-grown code code) * bbs(a)t10.org (other publicly accessible services - serviced by code that recalls the days when everything as done on a Bulletin Board System, BBS) My best guess is that the AWS Simple Email Service (SES) needs to sit in front of both Mailman and the home-grown code, to properly direct the incoming emails to the right places. The big worry is as follows... All available evidence read to date suggests that the default AWS installation of Mailman 3 assumes that Mailman 3 is the *only* receiver of emails in the configuration. If true, then putting SES in front of Mailman could be a Herculean challenge. Or... Hercules may have already cleaned the Augean Stables, and left behind a AWS Lambda function that can serve as a keystone puzzle piece for solving my dilemma. Thanks for taking the time to look at this. All the best, .Ralph FWIW Information about the current t10.org Mailman reflector can be found at https://www.t10.org/t10r.htm. T10 is primarily an open-to-the-public activity, so there are no company confidential secrets there. For those interested in the archives associated with the t10.org Mailman reflector, they are available at https://www.t10.org/pipermail/t10/ and "inquiring minds" may puzzle over the fact that the archives date back to December 1993. When Mailman 2 was installed, we converted all the Majordomo archives to Mailman 2 format.

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Mysterious Bounces Being Logged
by Brian Carpenter March 27, 2021

March 27, 2021

I keep seeing bounces being recorded in logs/bounce.log that have no corresponding entry in Postfix's mail.log. For instance one address had registered about 2 dozen bounces in the past week in bounce.log and yet every single entry for this address in mail.log has a status=sent. What am I missing here? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Mailman 3 centos7 installation issues
by bader＠cchmc.org March 25, 2021

March 25, 2021

So I am working with our Linux admin to install mailman3 in centos7 following this instructions https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html# (and adjusting for centos versus Debian) The install went fine with the command “pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary”until the config file. /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg The /etc/mailman3 directory did not get created? Should it have? We created it and the config file But “mailman info” throws errors venv) [mailman@bmimailmandr2 var]$ mailman info Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 2336, in _wrap_pool_connect return fn() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/base.py", line 364, in connect return _ConnectionFairy._checkout(self) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/base.py", line 778, in _checkout fairy = _ConnectionRecord.checkout(pool) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/base.py", line 495, in checkout rec = pool._do_get() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/impl.py", line 140, in _do_get self._dec_overflow() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/langhelpers.py", line 70, in __exit__ with_traceback=exc_tb, File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/compat.py", line 182, in raise_ raise exception File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/impl.py", line 137, in _do_get return self._create_connection() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/base.py", line 309, in _create_connection return _ConnectionRecor I suspect it is not using the config file at /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg But we do not even see a mailman service in /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service. Also, we are using python 3.6, will that be a major issue? or should spend the time to install 3.7 from source?

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Changing subscription address
by Allan Hansen March 23, 2021

March 23, 2021

All, I need help with this. A subscriber is a member of 14 of the lists on my system (others have more subscriptions). This member needs to change the address and is dyslexic, so I’ve been asked to help. I added the new address to her account in Django and set it as the preferred address. However, when she was subscribed, the system set her old address as the list subscription address, instead of her ‘preferred’ address. Well, I’m not sure of this as I cannot access her Settings, but that’s how it worked with one of my own addresses. Will I now have to tell her to do this for each list she is subscribed to: Select ‘Mailman Settings’ in dialog pulldown. Select one of the lists listed. Click on ‘Manage Subscription.’ In ‘Select Emai’, select the ‘Primary Address’ pulldown option Click on ‘Change email used for subscription.’ Please note that the “Global Mailman preferences’ nor the ‘Address-based preferences’ have the option to select the preferred address. I realize that once a member has an account in Django AND has preferred address set AND has selected the ‘Primary Address’ for each list, then this will be easier. However, I have 10000+ subscriptions by some 1500 members, most of whom were moved over from MM2 and have no Django accounts. Someone on list some time ago advised me that it was possible to do this easily globally. I have spent a couple of hours on the system trying to find that way but the above per-list procedure is all I found. Please make this easy, as I get these requests all the time and some, like this one, are on many lists. Yours, Allan

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FILTER_VHOST not working
by Johannes Rohr March 23, 2021

March 23, 2021

In /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py I have added FILTER_VHOST = True so that only the list for the current domain are shown. But this has no effect. What's more, in hyperkitty I see at the top left the lable for the default domain, even though I am visiting from another domain. The web domains are exactly the same as the mail domans (lists.[domain].[tld]) In the Nginx config I have added location / { proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Proto $scheme; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Host $host; proxy_pass http://localhost:8000/; [....] } to make sure that mailman3 knows from which URL it is visited. Am I overlooking something? I am using the distribution packages on Ubuntu 20.04: mailman3 3.2.2-1 mailman3-web 0+20180916-10 I see, the mailman3-web package is quite dated. Is it recommended to install via virtualenv instead? Cheers, Johannes

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Mailman Core 3.3.4 is now out
by Abhilash Raj March 22, 2021

March 22, 2021

Hey Everyone, I am pleased to announce that Mailman Core 3.3.4 is now out. Because of incompatibility with the new version of a downstream library (SQLAlchemy), this release add is setting 1.3.x as the max supported version of SQLAlchemy. Even though it comes soon after 3.3.3, it has a lot of bug fixes and new features. Some notable ones are: * Email -join command now supports subscribing as digests with digest=<no|mime|plain> options being honored. * For anonymous lists, Mailman will filter all the headers except a few that can be configured using a new config option. * Mailman can do max_size checks on filtered message rather than original message (which might be larger before being filtered) * Previously deprecated --add, --del and --sync options from `mailman members` command are now removed. Their alternatives are `addmembers`, `delmembers` and `syncmembers` subcommands. * If configured, Mailman will add a report about content filtering. A complete change log is available here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… This release is available via PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/3.3.4/ You can install or upgrade using: ``` $ pip install --upgrade mailman ``` Thanks to all the contributors who helped with this release! -- On behalf of Mailman Core Team Abhilash Raj

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Disable user registration
by Torge Riedel March 21, 2021

March 21, 2021

Hi list, how can I disable user registration? There are only two users, me - the admin - and an additional owner/moderator. The list setup we use is completely managed by the owner/moderator (about 100 mail adresses per list). Thanks Torge

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Problem with languages
by Jens Günther March 20, 2021

March 20, 2021

Hey, I set up Mailman3 from the Debian-packages and got it working. But for some reason I do have a mixed setup in languages now. Some strings are in English, some are in German. The settings I changed are: in mailman.cfg [mailman] default_language: de in mailman-web.py LANGUAGE_CODE = 'de-DE' TIME_ZONE = 'Europe/Berlin' Nothing changed after restarting services. I then came across this post: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -> but actually I do not find any of the files, ... - no mailman.po / .mo - no generate_mo.sh - no languages folders in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/messages - when searching with locate (after updatedb) no LC_MESSAGES/mailman or anything stated in the post Actually it would be fantastic to be able to choose language for the web interface / lists like on this here, but this is additional :-) just to have it in one language, this time German would be cool. I also would translate, but it seems finished: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/mailman/ Thank you for help, regards, Jens.

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only show mail domains from web host on web-host-url
by jens.guenther＠posteo.de March 19, 2021

March 19, 2021

Is it possible, to only show publicly (if advertised) these lists on a certain url, that are corresponding to the web host the url I accessed mailman through? I tried to configure different Web hosts with different Mail domains ... but through all the domains all mailing lists are advertised and I don't get why I then should configure different web hosts :-) Another solution for me would be, that I have only 1 Web host, don't advertise any Mailing-lists (or only certain ones) and configure different administrators for certain mail domains. But also that I don't see how it should be done :-( Sorry for the maybe nooby/newby question, but I just started trying Mailman3 and hoped for a better support for multidomain (which I till right now like in contrast to mailman2, whih has been a hazzle to register new Domains on the same server, but worked :-)). Thanks inadvance.

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Good MM hosts for customized code?
by Steven Clift March 19, 2021

March 19, 2021

E-Democracy.org is plotting a test move from GroupServer.org (end of life coming) to MM3. We have certain technologies we've embedded into GroupServer, like volume based posting limits on our political forums (no more than X posts in y hours per member ... typically 2 or 3 posts in 24 hours), inserting standard "who made this post" in the email footer with links to the user profile for context assuming email is forwarded as well as the web archive url to that post. We know that we do not want to be in charge of email deliverability and we don't yet have an Mailman aficionado in our volunteer team. So ideally, we'd find the right Mailman host where we can use our own selected domain (@opengroups.org perhaps) and whether we hire coders to help out with custom tech OR have volunteer coders (interested in local online communities? AKA hate that Facebook and NextDoor host most of these, let me know :-) ), we'd like to have the right set up to allow us to experiment. Advice? Thoughts? Thanks, Steve Steven Clift <http://stevenclift.com> - Founder and Volunteer, E-Democracy.org clift(a)e-democracy.org - +1 612 234 7072 @Democracy <http://twitter.com/democracy> - Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/stevenlclift> - LinkedIn <http://linkedin.com/in/netclift>

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CC header
by Brian Carpenter March 19, 2021

March 19, 2021

Can the 'cc' header be used for setting up a header filter via Postorius? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Delayed password requests & migrating users from mm2
by Duane Raymond March 17, 2021

March 17, 2021

Hi again, With my new mm3 instance, password reset email to members are being received many hours late or not at all. They seem to be sent fine and when I trigger one to one of my addresses, it works instantly. But many users report getting it many hours later or not at all (despite looking in spam and bulk folders). Anyone else experience this password reset mail delay/vanishing and/or have any suggestions for diagnosing it and resolving it? The main reason this is problematic is that in migrating lists from mm2, I've set a 'fake' password for them in the mm3 db and instructed members to reset their password to set a new one so they can access the list and update their subscription and/or subscribe to other lists (which they can also do without an account of course - but then lose the ability to use the web interface and access archives). So if, as an alternative, there is another way to get list members to access their account then I'm open to it. Cheers, Duane

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Specifying hold reason: non-member, header filter number/regex
by Duane Raymond March 16, 2021

March 16, 2021

Hi, Unlike in mm2, I'm finding in mm3 that is not obvious when non-member is trying to post to the list when their subject line also has a header-filter match. All it lists is that the posting has matched a header rule (which isn't quite accurate as it is a non-member) and even when it matches a header rule it doesn't say which one (which is a noted issues in the file mailman/chains/headers.py). Anyone else noticed the same and have a solution? The relevant list setting is:: Message Acceptance > Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list: Hold for moderation Should I be editing mailman/chains/headers.py or perhaps another python file in that firstory to make the hold reason more explicit? It is actually two problems I wish to solve: 1. Show when the message is held because it is a posting by a non-member (or a moderated member, etc) 2. Show what specific header filter has caused the message to be held so I know why and/or can debug the regex to be more/less specific. Cheers, Duane

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Contributing to Mailman documentation
by Abhilash Raj March 16, 2021

March 16, 2021

Hey Everyone, I have been trying to document how to propose changes to the Mailman documentation, which is hosted on ReadTheDocs. Right now, I think i have the complete flow in Gitlab documented in this page[1] and how to reach Gitlab from any page in documentation. I am sure there could be some parts that aren’t completely obvious to others. If you think I have missed a few steps or if there are issues in the doc, please feel free to reply on this thread or just open issues directly in Gitlab project[2] for documentation at docs.mailman3.org. [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/documentation.html [2]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/-/issues Hope this is helpful! -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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problem with postorius initial setup
by John Covici March 16, 2021

March 16, 2021

Hi. I am trying to setup postorius, but I have run into a problem. I am using the example project, except I am using postgresql instead of sqlite3. I ran python manage.py migrate which was successful. On running the development server I get: Exception in thread django-main-thread: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/module_loading.py", line 20, in import_string return getattr(module, class_name) AttributeError: module 'postorius.middleware' has no attribute 'APICountingMiddleware' The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/servers/basehttp.py", line 45, in get_internal_wsgi_application return import_string(app_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/module_loading.py", line 17, in import_string module = import_module(module_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1014, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 991, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 975, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 671, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 783, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/home/covici/mailman_django/example_project/wsgi.py", line 17, in <module> application = get_wsgi_application() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/wsgi.py", line 13, in get_wsgi_application return WSGIHandler() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/wsgi.py", line 127, in __init__ self.load_middleware() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 40, in load_middleware middleware = import_string(middleware_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/module_loading.py", line 22, in import_string raise ImportError('Module "%s" does not define a "%s" attribute/class' % ( ImportError: Module "postorius.middleware" does not define a "APICountingMiddleware" attribute/class The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/threading.py", line 932, in _bootstrap_inner self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/threading.py", line 870, in run self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/autoreload.py", line 53, in wrapper fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/commands/runserver.py", line 138, in inner_run handler = self.get_handler(*args, **options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/contrib/staticfiles/management/commands/runserver.py", line 27, in get_handler handler = super().get_handler(*args, **options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/commands/runserver.py", line 65, in get_handler return get_internal_wsgi_application() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/servers/basehttp.py", line 47, in get_internal_wsgi_application raise ImproperlyConfigured( django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: WSGI application 'wsgi.application' could not be loaded; Error importing module. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

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GNU Mailman has been accepted in Summer of Code!
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 16, 2021

March 16, 2021

Just to let everyone know. [Cc'd to Mailman 3 Users, but please direct followups to the Mailman Developers list only!] GSoC "who we are" page is here: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/4903353420611584/ Ideas page is here: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202021 Student applications open on March 30, and continue until April 13 18:00 UTC. Comments, ideas, etc welcome on Mailman Developers (preferred) or directly to me or Abhilash. Please do NOT edit the ideas page on the wiki without discussing with me, Abhilash, or Mark, as Google has strict rules about what ideas are relevant to their program. If you have been active in GSoC and do understand the rules, the discussion will be "pro forma", but at least we do want to know what we might be asked about as potential mentors. We can add more mentors, definitely, you're welcome. If you can reliably spend about 5 hours per week on it for the summer, we'll sign you up as a regular mentor. If you'd like to interact regularly with students, but can't promise 5 hours a week, we can negotiate a semi-formal status (but you won't get the privileges of a full mentor, like the T-shirt). Otherwise, we'll try to keep discussions on the list, everybody welcome. Regards, Steve

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Re: statistics monitoring for Mailman3
by Mark Sapiro March 15, 2021

March 15, 2021

On 3/12/21 11:22 AM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > I was checking on log rotating on smtp.log. On my server it does not rotate. I could use log-rotator to rotate that, but could not find any information how to inform the mailman process of the rotation, e.g. which signal to send him? The `mailman reopen` command is the recommended way, or you can send the `master` a SIGUSR1. The master's PID is in the file var/master.pid or /var/run/mailman/master.pid if you've configured `layout: fhs`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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statistics monitoring for Mailman3
by Mohsen Masoudfar March 15, 2021

March 15, 2021

Hi, I am wondering if there is a monitoring application available for Mailman3 to display statistics about the number of emails send for each maillist. Thanks Mohsen

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Five Year Old Issue
by Brian Carpenter March 15, 2021

March 15, 2021

Any chance to get this implemented in time for the next Mailman 3 core release? https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/19 It's been 5 years. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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hooking up mailman and sendmail
by John Covici March 14, 2021

March 14, 2021

Hi. So, I have sendmail as my mta and I want mailman to use it. So far, I have a local delivery agent able to send on port 8024. So, what do I have to tell mailman to use sendmail and listen on port 8024 and to send on port 25? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

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problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3
by John Covici March 14, 2021

March 14, 2021

Hi. I am having a great deal of difficulty installing mailman3 using gentoo and sendmail. Also, I want to upgrade my old mailman2 data to mailman3. What I have done so far is to install the mailman3 packages from my repository and got this: django-mailman3 version 1.3.4, mailmanclient version 3.3.1, mailman version 3.3.2 (apparently the core), postorius version 1.3.3 and hyperkitty version 1.3.3. I also have mariadb and postgresql already installed. Now trying to read your documentation, it seems it wants me to reinstall some packages using pip in the home directory of the mailman user in a python virtual environment, that was the first thing. But I would like to avoid multiple package managers wherever possible -- gentoo is already a lot of maintainance without dealing with pip's maintainance. The binaries also seem to be different from my gentoo packages. So, how do I proceed with getting mailman3 up and working, configuring the database, configs, etc and I guess after doing that upgrading mailman2 and getting sendmail to interface properly with mailman3? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

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hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not archive the email with message-id '<snip>': A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters
by Gilles Filippini March 13, 2021

March 13, 2021

Hi, I have this error message repeating endlessly into the mailman-web logs. The related list is an open one on which we receive spam sometimes. I understand these emails can me malformed and cause this error. How to deal with them? They can't stay forever at the hyperkitty door. Thanks in advance, _g.

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Attachments in digests mails
by Eric Broens March 12, 2021

March 12, 2021

Hi, subscribers that prefer to receive digests, are receiving attachments as encoded characters in the message body. This makes digests almost unreadable, see an extract of an example below. Is there a way to make sure the attachments are send as attachments in the digest mails? Message: 2 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 23:09:29 +0100 From: *********** <*********(a)**********.**> Subject: [Planoccult] (2589) Daniel and 3 others - negative To: Planoccult <*********@******** <mailto:*********@ls.vvs.be> > Message-ID: <wcieubkwujbuvtoyrqhg@kqqa> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-bcRfVuQTUIVzQDmITHPG" --=-bcRfVuQTUIVzQDmITHPG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, please find attached negative reports of 4 recent observations, including (= 2589) Daniel. I could not afford to skip such important asteroid to me (-; = despite very low probability of positive result. Best regards, --=-bcRfVuQTUIVzQDmITHPG Content-Type: image/png; name=2021_03_09_Blazewicz_2589_Daniel.png Content-Id: <cfaaa58faf30919364d7dcee7cb4cc20221c8dc4> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=2021_03_09_Blazewicz_2589_Daniel.png iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAsAAAAGtCAYAAAAYrcL2AAAACXBIWXMAAA7EAAAOxAGVKw4bAAAg AElEQVR4nOzd6XcUR54v/C+SEEJIgDAgCbAQICFAIPbFdntvu9sX6HbbfoZn+tyZ7vu84N/o239G M/fcOefOnJnmtunpBbXtdhuvDRgwuwCxiR2BhHYJbaV6XuAqqopcIjMjMiMyv59zfIwqqzIjMyMi fxkZETntw9/+Jg0iIiIiooQoijoBRERERERhYgBMRERERIlSEnUCZDp/6T5ee+01X7/94osvsHZV Thanks, Eric

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Posterious membership listing for non-owner/moderators?
by Duane Raymond March 11, 2021

March 11, 2021

Hi, I'm configuring my new mailman3 lists and one option I wish to use is a membership listing (which list members can opt-in/out of via their preferences). The only problem is, via the web interface (Posterious / Hyperkitty) I can't find that listing when logged in as an ordinary member. Am I missing something or is this not built in yet? I have my test list setting under List Identity -> Members List Visibility set to "Only mailinglist members", but all I can find in terms of members is the side-listing of posters to the list/thread. (as usual before asking the question I explored a lot and searched the archives/documentation). Cheers, Duane

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Setting for archiving multi email domains?
by Duane Raymond March 11, 2021

March 11, 2021

Hi again, I have a Debian-postfix-postgres-nginx-Hyperkitty-Postorius setup with a primary domain (e.g. primarydomain.com) and several 'secondary' domains used for email lists (e.g. emaillistA.com and emaillistB.com) When sending emails to a list using the primarydomain.com address, the email is received, sent to subscribers and archived properly. But when it is sent to one of the secondary domains like tes(a)emaillistA.com - the email doesn't seem to be sent and isn't archived - despite it being set to be. What I've tried so far (after searching these archives and looking at the documentation) is to: 1) Adding emaillistA.com and emaillistB.com to the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting in the settings_local.py file (and then restart mailman) 2) Adding emaillistA.com and emaillistB.com to the mydestination setting in the postfix main.cf file (and the restarting postfix). ...I even tried adding to /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 emaillistA.com and 127.0.0.1 emaillistB.com but removed it as it didn't seem appropriate there. Does anyone have any hits of what else I need to configure to get it working for these 'secondary' email domains? Cheers, Duane

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Backups & disaster recovery of mailman3
by David Partain March 8, 2021

March 8, 2021

Hi, So now I have a running mailman3 installation. Whew... Is there documentation of things like thorough backups and disaster recovery? I haven't yet found it. Backups: Obviously, I understand that I need to have datbase (mysql, in my case) dumps, and I'll have file system backups onto something that our IT folks will backup. Is there more I should think of? Disaster recovery: So, let's say my server (which is cloud-y) gets trashed and I need to get mailman back on a new server. Is this process described somewhere? My kind thanks to you all for listening :) Cheers, David

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Email Commands
by Brian Carpenter March 7, 2021

March 7, 2021

Is there a list of email commands on a website somewhere that you can use with Mailman 3? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Importing issue from mailman2 to mailman3
by David Partain March 7, 2021

March 7, 2021

Hi, I'm in the process of moving 1400-ish lists from a very old mailman2 installation to an installation on Ubuntu 18.04 with the version of mailman3 packaged for that distro. (Yes, that was a mistake, but I'm committed at this point.) I'm doing this import as per: sudo -u list mailman import21 somelist@one-of-the-domains<mailto:somelist@one-of-the-domains> /tmp/lists/somelist/config.pck where /tmp/lists includes all of the list configs from the old installation. Most of it's going fine, as best I can see. However, I get exceptions on some lists that look like this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1182, in _execute_context context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 470, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 163, in execute result = self._query(query) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 321, in _query conn.query(q) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 505, in query self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 724, in _read_query_result result.read() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1069, in read first_packet = self.connection._read_packet() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 676, in _read_packet packet.raise_for_error() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/protocol.py", line 223, in raise_for_error err.raise_mysql_exception(self._data) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/err.py", line 107, in raise_mysql_exception raise errorclass(errno, errval) pymysql.err.DataError: (1406, "Data too long for column 'info' at row 1") My assumption is that what's in the "Info" field on the old mailman2 config is simply too long. Is that correct? In that case, I suppose the right thing is to (1) edit each one, reducing the size, which'll create a new config.pck, (2) pull it over to the new machine, and (3) run the import again. Seem reasonable? Cheers, David

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[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable
by dancab＠caltech.edu March 5, 2021

March 5, 2021

I've imported a list from Mailman2 and had the owner send a message for testing purposes. His message are moderated per the list configuration. The message is delivered to Mailman3 and shows that it's being held. However if we attempt to view the message in Postorius web UI then an error is thrown. In the web interface the error is simply "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." But Mailman Core is running and we can do other functions just fine. Our superuser account receives a much more detailed message with the subject below. [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable: /postorius/lists/cpa-announcement.caltech.edu/held_messages Does "Service Unavailable" mean I'm missing something in the configuration? Thanks for your help. ---- Dan Caballero

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postfix malformed address with confirm replies
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats March 4, 2021

March 4, 2021

I’m getting bounces back from postfix (553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address) for my confirm replies. I found a similar issue in this lists’ archives back in 2017 but that issue was supposedly fixed in version 3.2 I’m running the current docker containers. I’m pretty sure I have all of the mailman settings in postix: " # Support the default VERP delimiter. recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains " the entries in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp look like they should match /^matsmats-mm3-test1(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-bounces(\+.*)?(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm(\+.*)?(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-join(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-leave(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-owner(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-request(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-subscribe(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-unsubscribe(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 thanks, steve > On Feb 26, 2021, at 14:08:54 PST, Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON(a)ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal> wrote: > > This is the mail system at host ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > > The mail system > > <matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu>: > host 172.19.199.2[172.19.199.2] said: 553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address > (in reply to RCPT TO command) > Reporting-MTA: dns; ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal > X-Postfix-Queue-ID: E144B8BC3C5 > X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; stephen.s.w.matsmats(a)gmail.com > Arrival-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:08:54 -0800 (PST) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > Original-Recipient: rfc822;matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > Action: failed > Status: 5.1.3 > Remote-MTA: dns; 172.19.199.2 > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address > > From: Steve Mats Mats <willey(a)selby.com> > Subject: Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the matsmats-mm3-test1(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu mailing list. > Date: February 26, 2021 at 2:08:52 PM PST > To: matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > > > > >> On Feb 26, 2021, at 11:41:54 PST, matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu wrote: >> >> Email Address Registration Confirmation >> >> Hello, this is the GNU Mailman server at mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu. >> >> We have received a registration request for the email address >> >> willey(a)teamd.org >> >> Before you can start using GNU Mailman at this site, you must first confirm >> that this is your email address. You can do this by replying to this message. >> >> Or you should include the following line -- and only the following >> line -- in a message to matsmats-mm3-test1-request(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu: >> >> confirm d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856 >> >> Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from >> most mail readers. >> >> If you do not wish to register this email address, simply disregard this >> message. If you think you are being maliciously subscribed to the list, or >> have any other questions, you may contact >> >> matsmats-mm3-test1-owner(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > > >

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Set Postorius interface locale
by Duane Raymond March 4, 2021

March 4, 2021

Hi everyone, Thanks to Brian I'm up and running with my migrated mailman3 lists and am now starting to get into customising the interface (styling and content). I've been trying to figure out how to set/change the Postorius locale - I specifically want to change some text strings on the info page without breaking the i18n mechanisms. I've worked with po and mo files before, so changing and compiling them isn't a problem. The problems I've encountered so far are: 1) Where do I set the local of the Postorius interface? 2) Individual lists have a language setting, but it doesn't seem to reflect what the Postorius locales are as the only english option is "English (USA)" and none of the other English speaking locales and on the file system there is no en-us PO files....so I suspect I'm looking in the wrong place. Am I looking at this all wrong? The documentation doesn't seem to have any info about this and yet the mechanisms seem to be there. Once I learn more I'm quite keen to start working on improving the documentation based on what I learn. Cheers, Duane

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Moderation emails
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au March 4, 2021

March 4, 2021

Hi Folks, Whenever a non-member posts to a members-only list, the owners (because I haven't set any moderators) get a 3-part MIME message, from the xxx-owner email address. The first part is the template from .../mailman/templates/en/list:admin:action:post.txt The second part is a message/rfc822 copy of the held message. The third part is another message/rfc822 part that says, If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply. This is really confusing, as replying to the whole message will go to the '-owner' not the '-request' address, which will neither discard nor authorise the message, and will not contain the subject: heading from the encapsulated message. Is there any easy way, either to turn off generation of the third message, or make it so that acting on the message (hitting reply in your email client) will actually discard the message? Peter C

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postorius / adjusted settings menu
by Andreas Barth March 3, 2021

March 3, 2021

Hi together, I want to adjust the settings menu to reduce to the options really needed. The easiest way would be to edit src/postorius/views/list* but I don't think that's a good idea. So what comes to my mind is to have some variable in the configuration that contains the menu items and - if set - the submenus. E.g. the following: { 'list_identity': ['!gateway_to_mail', '!gateway_to_news', '!linked_newsgroup', '!newsgroup_moderation', '!nntp_prefix_subject_too' ], 'automatic_responses', 'alter_messages', 'dmarc_mitigations', 'digest', 'message_acceptance', 'archiving', 'subscription_policy', 'bounce_processing' } would express: default menu and just remove the mentioned items. Of course, something like ['advertised', 'description', 'info', 'display_name', 'subject_prefix'] would work as well. Resorting should also be possible, so something like { 'list_identity': ['advertised', 'description', 'info', 'personalize'] } would give a very small list of items to select from. What do you think about the idea? Andi

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Shunt Error Mail?
by Pete Ashdown March 3, 2021

March 3, 2021

I have a number of list managers with subscribers who are confused as to why their messages are silently disappearing. I've read the archives on how to decipher why a message was shunted, but this is not workable at scale. Is sending an error email back to the sender a consideration?

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Domain ownership issues
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au March 2, 2021

March 2, 2021

Hi, I wanted to give another user the ability to create lists, so added that user as 'owner' of the domain. But he does not see the 'create list' button. I decided to try deleting him as owner, and the result is a python exception: KeyError: 'file' ERROR 2021-03-01 20:35:07,195 550 django.request Internal Server Error: /postori us/domains/sel4.systems/owners/b55d58c434c94f6dbd19ae338502dd2e/remove Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py", line 40 , in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 21, in _wrapped_view return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 75, i n wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/domain.py", line 182, in remove_owners remove_email = client.get_user(user_id).addresses[0].email File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/client.py", line 324, in get_user display_name=display_name)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 111, in call raise HTTPError(url, response.status_code, urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: 404 Not Found Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.0+ (default, Oct 19 2020, 09:51:18) [GCC 10.2.0] Peter C

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Hyperkitty "All Threads" results in error
by Mark Dadgar March 2, 2021

March 2, 2021

So I have been wrestling with this problem for a while now. Most times, but not every time, when someone clicks on the All Threads link in hyperkitty, a 500 error is generated. I googled it, obviously, and at first I thought it was related to this issue, but that has not proven to be the case: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> I’ve attached a “backtrace” below. The archives were imported from a previous mm3 install a couple of months ago. The problem occurs even with a list state full of immediately recent posts. Anyone have thoughts on how I can fix this? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 — Internal Server Error: /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest VariableDoesNotExist at /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest Failed lookup for key [sender] in None Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mail.pdc-racing.net/archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net/latest <https://mail.pdc-racing.net/archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net/latest> Django Version: 2.2.14 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python Python Version: 3.8.2 Python Path: ['/opt/mailman/mm', '/opt/mailman/mm/', '/opt/mailman/mm/bin', '/usr/lib/python38.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.8', '/usr/lib/python3.8/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages'] Server time: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 10:27:10 -0700 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 829. current = current[bit] During handling of the above exception ('NoneType' object is not subscriptable), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 837. current = getattr(current, bit) During handling of the above exception ('NoneType' object has no attribute 'sender'), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 843. current = current[int(bit)] During handling of the above exception (invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'sender'), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in inner 134. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in archives 114. return _thread_list(request, mlist, threads, extra_context=extra_context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in _thread_list 143. return render(request, template_name, context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py" in render 36. content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader.py" in render_to_string 62. return template.render(context, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py" in render 61. return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 171. return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 150. return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 62. result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py" in render 209. nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 188. return template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 173. return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py" in render 513. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/templatetags/i18n.py" in render 132. context.update({var: val.resolve(context) for var, val in self.extra_context.items()}) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/templatetags/i18n.py" in <dictcomp> 132. context.update({var: val.resolve(context) for var, val in self.extra_context.items()}) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in resolve 692. arg_vals.append(arg.resolve(context)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in resolve 796. value = self._resolve_lookup(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 848. raise VariableDoesNotExist("Failed lookup for key " Exception Type: VariableDoesNotExist at /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest Exception Value: Failed lookup for key [sender] in None

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