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Amazon SES, Message-ID, and mailman
by Sam Darwin May 5, 2023

May 5, 2023

Hi, We are running a mailman 2 mailing list, soon to upgrade to mailman 3. We recently switch the mail gateway from mailgun to Amazon SES. There's a new problem that the mailman 2 archives are not able to group threads together the way they were before. Moreover, end users have their own mail clients that display the list messages, and they are complaining about issues in their local mail clients. It seems to be related to the mail header fields Message-ID: , References: , and In-Reply-To: . Amazon SES rewrites the Message-ID. Therefore, it won't match the original Message-ID, and so the second reply email won't matched with the first email in a web archive display. Additionally, email replies are often sent both to the list and to individual participants, and so it's important that both of these copies have the identical message id. Has anyone else used Amazon SES as a mail gateway, and did you have success with it? Does this interpretation of the problem seem reasonable? Would it make sense to briefly discuss "Amazon SES" in an FAQ section of the mailman documentation? Thanks, Sam

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Change delivery_status of a member by using the rest api
by Michael Schaarschmidt May 4, 2023

May 4, 2023

Hello, I would like to set or change the delivery_status of a list member by using the rest api. The curl request looks like curl \ -X PATCH \ -H "Content-Type: application/json“ \ -H "Accept: application/json“ \ -u restadmin:secret_password \ -d "@./foo_patch.json“ \ "http://127.0.0.1:8001/3.1/members/ebcdd09bb8d84758a135c3449023701e“ With the json-file: { „delivery_status“: „by_user“ } I get an error message: {"title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Unexpected parameters: delivery_status“} Is there a way to change the attribute `delivery_status` of an existing member by using the rest api? Cheers, Michael Schaarschmidt ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Postorius install - missing python modules
by Marco F May 3, 2023

May 3, 2023

Hello, On AlmaLinux 8.7, after Configuring Mailman and Setting up my database (postgres), and hooking up my mailserver (Exim), the instructions proceed to Set up Postorius: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/setup.html I've tried `pip install postorius`, as well as the latest version, cloning and `pip install -e .`. I've tried with multiple python versions, all with the results: ModuleNotFoundError. Here's highlights of one example: ``` dnf update -y dnf upgrade -y dnf install -y python39 alternatives --config python3 » python3 -V Python 3.9.13 pip3 install postorius git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius.git cd postorius pip3 install -e . cd example_project ~/postorius/example_project (master)» » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'debug_toolbar' » pip3 install debug_toolbar ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement debug_toolbar (from versions: none) ERROR: No matching distribution found for debug_toolbar » pip3 install django-debug-toolbar ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel' » pip3 install requests_panel ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel' » pip3 install django-requests-panel ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel.panel' # I tried a bunch of different modules, none resolved the error, finally tried this & it did: » cd $( dirname $( locate requests_panel/panels.py ) ) && cp -pv panels.py panel.py » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_wrapper' » pip3 install requests_wrapper ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ImportError: cannot import name '_total_seconds' from 'requests_wrapper' (/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/requests_wrapper/__init__.py) ```

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looking for more detailed traceback for shunted message
by bob B May 3, 2023

May 3, 2023

Had a message get shunted in /opt/mailman/core/var/queue/shunt/. *** but that is the location in the docker environment, which we are running. The mailman log shows: Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 2e0e82a5-0924-1777-bed8-34862417fe7e@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 1198-1200: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) SHUNTING: 1682514596.7976818+6067e5ddeb70e4aad97977071b5ed00c41999057 Apr 26 13:10:14 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 367fa8b7-97ac-58b3-fb99-458dbb951f5d@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:10:14 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 367fa8b7-97ac-58b3-fb99-458dbb951f5d@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 1198-1200: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) SHUNTING: 1682514616.5346222+7292ba8b651bc1bd76a9098733a39090e092add2 Is there anyway to get more info, Is there a more detailed traceback somewhere?

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Python is updated
by Lars Bjørndal April 29, 2023

April 29, 2023

Hi, list! As the machine I'm running Mailman on now is upgraded from Fedora 36 to 37, the Python version is upgraded from 3.10 to 3.11. How do I update Mailman in the virutal environment? Thanks, Lars

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How to see the admin password reset in docker with mailman3
by bob B April 27, 2023

April 27, 2023

I am setting up a new environment of Mailman3 in docker. I understand I have to reset the password to set the password for admin. I go to forget the password, in the GUI and I put in the address I have listed in the docker-compose.yaml and I never get the email. I look at the mail log on the host and I do not see the smtp connections. I assume Django is not using the docker host but sending the mail directly?? Basically, where can I see the password email rest mail logs to make sure an email was sent out and where it is going?

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If I manually add email addresses to a list and then delete them, how do i permanent delete them from Users?
by Mark London April 25, 2023

April 25, 2023

I added some email addresses manually to a mailing list and then removed them. But now I can't find how to totally remove them from mailman3. They show up in the Users list. When I go to the Django interface, I don't see them listed in any selection. I thought they would show up under Emails in Hyperkitty, but they are not there. Oddly, somehow I've managed to create multiple duplicates of the same address, under Emails. Figure that one out! Thanks. - Mark 21 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:54 a.m. [Mark] afasdfa mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 20 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:44 a.m. [Mark] Re: tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 19 london(a)mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:31 a.m. [Mark] tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 18 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:28 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 17 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:27 a.m. [Mark] tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 16 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:22 a.m. [Mark] Re: foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 15 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:21 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 14 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 2:05 a.m. [Mark] ;jklj mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 13 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:53 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 12 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:52 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 11 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:51 a.m. [Mark] Re: test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 10 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:42 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 9 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:38 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 8 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:40 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 7 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:33 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 6 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:32 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 5 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:21 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 4 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:20 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 3 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:11 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 2 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:14 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 1 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:22 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu

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Configuring sendmail without virtualtable? Is this possible?
by Mark London April 25, 2023

April 25, 2023

I'm presently running mailman 2 on an email server, which all use @psfc.mit.edu addresses. And which uses /etc/aliases. The directions for configuring sendmail for mailman 3, specify using virtusertable. I want my new email server to also host mailman 3 on ubuntu. Is it still possible to use sendmail, given the following directions for sendmail configuration? Seems talk using might break things. Or am I wrong? https://gist.github.com/Maeglin73/72eb5b1e4ee66a383c2aa454726be9a5 Thanks for any help. - Mark

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Problems getting MM3 to work
by Alain D D Williams April 25, 2023

April 25, 2023

I have been using mailman2 for some 15 years ... decided that it is time to upgrade to MM3. I have to admit that I am finding it very hard to do so. My target is a Rocky Linux machine (AKA CentOS/RedHat). I am doing a test install in a virtual Debian 10 machine - the idea is learn how it hangs together before reimplement on Rocky (where I tie things down with SELinux). For me the biggest problem is the poor documentation - for someone who is new at MM3 and is not a Python programmer. After a few false starts I am doing a virtualenv installation as described: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html (Changes: I am using mariadb not postgresql, apache not nginx) I am trying to set up the WSGI server. It thinks that my domain is example.com ... when I 'grep -r example.com /opt/mailman' I see 11338 lines - far too many to look through. Could someone please tell me what/where I configure to enter my test domain. Thanks in advance. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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MM3 does not receive gmail-Members!
by Paul Brenner April 24, 2023

April 24, 2023

Hallo I need help! My MM3 sends mails via a list. However, no mails arrive at all gmail recipients. These mails also do not end up in the spam or junk folders. What do I have to do? Regards Paul

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Gmail problems?
by Stephen Daniel April 24, 2023

April 24, 2023

Mailman Gurus -- I run a number of small lists for my neighborhood association. The largest of these is ~120 users. Typical volumes are about 2 messages/day. In the past week or so a number of users who use gmail as their email client have complained that list emails have been going to spam or "promotions" folders. I've always had 1 or 2 users who had trouble receiving mails, but this seems to be a significant percentage of all gmail users. I have DMARC mitigation set to unconditional, and the DMARC action set to "Replace From: with list address". My emails are sent using google workspace as my SMTP relay. I'm trying to teach my users to whitelist the list domain, but they are not, in general, a tech-savvy bunch, so it is slow going. Anyone else suddenly having trouble with gmail? Any suggestions? Thanks!! -- Steve

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how to unhold a hold message from a nonmmeber in hold list.
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) April 21, 2023

April 21, 2023

I'm having troubles with Django and cannot access to web admin. I need to unhold a message while figures out what is happening. Searching the mailman cli help commands didn't help me. Anyone who knows how to unhold a message, please? Thanks in advance -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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MASS mailing list import - 900 ezmlm lists to Mailman
by grant＠horizonsunlimited.com April 20, 2023

April 20, 2023

Hi, I hope someone can help. I have 900-ish, mostly small lists, basically all locations round the globe where people have volunteered to help particular people passing though. Those lists have 2 to 200 people. There are about 50 lists of up to 1000 people each we use for announcements. So two different setups, and a whole lot of manual work. I am moving from an old, now unreliable, host to a new one. Hopefully reliable, certainly cheaper, and better for privacy GDPR etc regs. Mailman is already installed, appears to be version 82?? on cPanel 108.0.15. Ezmlm, no surprise, is not. Installing and configuring it is not something trivial, also have to install gmail etc. Yuck. So, Mailman... going through to create one, I can see that 900 will be my life's work. I'm not a programmer, but reasonably technical, write html, css skills poor but adequate, command line isn't tooo scary, MySQL I don't go near. DOS batch files no problem! :) ANY IDEAS / suggestions appreciated! Thanks, Grant

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Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04?
by Mark London April 16, 2023

April 16, 2023

Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04? If not, will it be possible in the near future? Thanks. Mark

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Link to account
by Lars Bjørndal April 14, 2023

April 14, 2023

Hi, list! On one of my sites, I want to have all Mailman3 links to go under /mailman3. Even though, the Login link goes to a URL like: https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/accounts/login/ How can I ensure it goes to https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/mailman3/accounts/login/ Thanks, Lars

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REST API http://.../3.1/users/../preferred_address returns 404 for GET and POST
by Eric Vyncke April 13, 2023

April 13, 2023

Postorius 1.3.6 does not work anymore when displaying the details of a list that I own (https://lists.XXX.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/rapcs-pilotes.listsXXXorg/) . It worked before but there was several upgrades in between (Ubuntu, apt packages, MySQL, Python). It displays the usual header/footer of the page but with "Something went wrong" above a red box with "HTTP Error 404:". /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log last entries are below (note the 404 result codes in the REST API): Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94 HTTP/1.1" 200 418 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/addresses/eric(a)XXX.org HTTP/1.1" 200 379 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "POST /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log of course has an exception about this 404 result code. Using the MM3 shell, the preferred_address can be displayed and even modified. There are also good values in the MySQL database. Other API endpoints for users work fine (preferences, addresses, ...) Postorius system information is: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.10 (default, Mar 13 2023, 10:26:41) [GCC 9.4.0] Running Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS and Python 3.8 Thanks in advance for any hint to solve this issue (I have held messages that I would love to accept)

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Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'
by Mohsen Masoudfar April 13, 2023

April 13, 2023

I am observing the following error message in the logs for one specific list: = = = relay=email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210]:587, delay=0.27, delays=0.05/0.04/0.12/0.06, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210] said: 554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'. (in reply to end of DATA command)) = = = As I mentioned, this happens for one single list only and this list has not been able to send any email for a week now. After checking mailman-users, I came across the following setting, which seems kind of related to my issue: = = = To distribute messages with valid DKIM signatures, I set remove_dkim_headers: yes in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cf = = = Here are my questions: 1 - I have around 100 lists and this happens for this one list only, so, I am not sure, if the issue might be solved with this change. 2 - Because this happens for this one list only, I would rather change it for this one list only, is there any option available changing it for one list only and not for the whole server? Thanks M

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RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3?
by Markus Ludwig Grandpré April 12, 2023

April 12, 2023

Dear MM§-users, is there a good documentation and example how I can learn to enable django.contrib.auth.backends.RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3? I've already found a detailed documentation (see [1]), but I do not manage to implement this AuthN mechanism for Mailman3. Can you help me? Btw. how can I disable and remove the Fedora button from Maliman3's login page? Best, Markus [1] <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/howto/auth-remote-user/> -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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List notices in French, but subject in English
by Mark Dale April 12, 2023

April 12, 2023

Hi, I have a list set with it's preferred language set as French and the body of the standard notification emails (eg. Welcome message) is correctly sent in French, however the subject of the emails is in English. Can the list be configured so the subject is also in French, or is this an issue with gettext .mo files somewhere? This is on Debian package Mailman 3.3.3 Thanks, Mark

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An archive/read-only list on a full setup?
by Andreas Schamanek April 11, 2023

April 11, 2023

I have a working full installation of mailman3, postorius and hyperkitty (on Debian 11). Now I wanted to host the archive of a remote list, and I am wondering how to do this properly. After I found no documentation and no posting I simply created a list in mailman3 with only 1 dummy member. The list address is subscribed to the actual remote list. So, messages arrive and are archived. But that's not optimal because hyperkitty thinks it's a normal list where it should be read-only and do not allow subscriptions etc. What's the proper way to set up a hyperkitty-only list? -- -- Andreas :-)

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Change base mailman URL path
by chad.hays86＠gmail.com April 8, 2023

April 8, 2023

Hi, I recently completed the a Mailman3 install using these[1] instructions. I'm able to access the web interface, the Django admin app, etc off the root domain URL. For example: https://mydomain.org/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/admin, https://mydomain.org/archives What's the most straightforward way to put all of these URL paths behind a different context? For example: https://mydomain.org/lists/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/lists/admin, https://mydomain.org/lists/archives I'm running Apache2 as my web server and am using mod_proxy to proxy requests to uwsgi. [1] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html

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Debian Package Install - Ownership and Permissions
by Dave Hall April 7, 2023

April 7, 2023

Hello, I know that installing from Debian packages is not the preferred method - unfortunately that's what I'm stuck with at the moment. I have an installation that is sort of working, but there seems to be a lot of issues relating to ownership and permissions that I'll have to manage by hand, so I am asking for some guidance. I'm seeing an interplay between 'list' (the existing Mailman2 user), www-data (the Apache user) and root. Given that it seems like almost everything that's part of mailman3-web/django/hyperkitty is running in uwsgi, should I maybe change /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini to use 'list' as the uid/gid rather than www-data and then also change any user/group permission to 'list' as well? Thanks -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

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Problem with starting core - problem getting a lock on something
by Jens Günther April 6, 2023

April 6, 2023

Unfortunately our mailman-core-container doesn't start anymore correctly. We updated lately to v0.4.5 and it ran smoothly for the last 4 weeks. This morning the RAM crashed and I then had to restore some things since the RAID was affected. Anyway, the container doesn't get up anymore although we didn't change anything in the setup. Does anybody know what the error means and how we could fix that? "Could not acquire the lock" normally means that some permissions aren't right ... right? Actually I don't know where to start. What I already did: remove the container completely and rebuild it. Thank you in advance! Jens. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 125, in acquire_lock_1 lock.lock(timedelta(seconds=0.1)) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 386, in lock raise TimeOutError('Could not acquire the lock') flufl.lock._lockfile.TimeOutError: Could not acquire the lock During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 237, in details lockfile, hostname, pid, random_ignored = filename.split( ValueError: not enough values to unpack (expected 4, got 1) The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/master", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 580, in main lock = acquire_lock(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 151, in acquire_lock lock = acquire_lock_1(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 131, in acquire_lock_1 hostname, pid, tempfile = lock.details File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 241, in details raise NotLockedError('Details are unavailable') from error flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Details are unavailable

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Hyperkitty shows "<" as <
by Andreas Schamanek April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hi fellow Hyperkitties, I migrated from Mailman 2 to 3 and imported my 1st list via `manage.py hyperkitty_import` to Hyperkitty 1.3.4 (the Debian package), but that might not even be relevant to my problem: All "<" and ">" in old and new messages are shown as "<" and ">" in message views _however_ they are shown correctly in overview abstracts e.g. at //server/mm3/hyperkitty/list/testlist@server/latest Is this a bug in Hyperkitty? Or is our server doing something funky? -- -- Andreas :-)

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Mailman and Mailman-web databases
by Andrew Hodgson April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hi. Just come out of a bit of a server reorg where I followed the new instructions to get Mailman3 up and running with Mailman-web. Virtualenv Installation - Mailman Suite 3.3 documentation (list.org)<https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> In these instructions we are using 2 databases for the Mailman and Django components. I guess it doesn't harm anything to have just one database for both but wondered whether it was a good idea to split eventually? Thanks. Andrew.

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Database Schema - v3.2.1 to v3.3.3
by Dave Hall April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hello. Have 4 Debian servers running Mailman3 v3.2.1 and sharing the same external MySql databases for Mailman3 and Mailman3-web. I am in the process of migrating to v3.3.3. It would be easiest to perform this upgrade one server at a time, but this would mean that for a short time I would have v3.2.1 and v3.3.3 using the same databases. I am wondering if there are any MySql schema differences between the two versions. If there are, having the two different versions 'cohabitating' won't work.. Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

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Held messages page not rendering the message
by mike-mailman＠earth.li April 4, 2023

April 4, 2023

Hi When the list moderator goes to the held_messages page, they correctly get a list of the held messages and can accept/reject/discard them However, clicking on the individual message to read it doesn't work - it does nothing visible at all. From debug I can see it requests /mailman3/postorius/api/list/<list>/held_message/1/ which returns correctly (and the body includes the message as expected) - but it never renders it Any idea what could be wrong? Thanks -- Mike

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upgrading in FreeBSD 13.1-p7: problem with aiosmtpd and lmtp runner
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) April 4, 2023

April 4, 2023

As you could have read yesterday, I had problems upgrading to the last versions of mailman3 related apps. The lmtp runner stopped after upgrade and showed and error in aiosmtpd package. the O.S. version running may servers is FreeBSD 13.1-p7 That was in a mailman3 server with few lists and traffic. O did the upgrade today in the server that has many lists and hard traffic. When I restarted mailman it showed this trace: Generating MTA alias maps /usr/local/mailman3 # Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/runner", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'runner')()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 184, in main runner = make_runner(*runner_spec, once=once) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 70, in make_runner return runner_class(name, slice) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/runners/lmtp.py", line 295, in __init__ self.lmtp = LMTPController(LMTPHandler(), hostname=hostname, port=port) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 417, in __init__ self._localhost = get_localhost() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 66, in get_localhost with makesock(AF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM) as sock: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/socket.py", line 232, in __init__ _socket.socket.__init__(self, family, type, proto, fileno) OSError: [Errno 43] Protocol not supported As Mark pointed it can be circunverted modifying /PATH_TO_YOUR_PYTHON/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py and changing the 49th line as this: # Helper function to assist in mocking^M ## return has_ipv6^M return False After that, restarting mailman 3 works perfectly. It seems that FreeBSD is handling IPv6 in a way that other OSs dont. It surprise me, because FreeBSD was the first OS where IPv6 was deployed, but it is what it is. Thaks to everybody for your patience, specially Odhiambo and Mark. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Custom Archiver
by Stephen J. Turnbull April 3, 2023

April 3, 2023

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/1/23 16:33, Peter Knowles wrote: > > That all being said, on a slight segway... Aside from using the > > REST API, is it practical or possible to manipulate the database > > directly? That is, in doing so would it just work or are there > > extra moving parts when an API request is issued? > > It probably is possible, but I would definitely discourage it. The > REST API should provide everything you need without your having to > reimplement everything it does. I think it would probably be a really heavy lift, because Mailman internally uses an object-relational manager, SQAlchemy. We occasionally change the schema, and SQAalchemy will automatically upgrade the database schema. You would have to handle that by hand in your code. I would recommend you get the sources for mailmanclient (https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient, iirc). They're quite repetitive, you wouldn't want to literally port them, but once you're familiar with the scaffolding and a couple of the commands you should be able to write a lot of PHP really fast to cover the REST endpioints you most need in a library with an API to your taste. Steve

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Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list
by Andrew Hodgson April 2, 2023

April 2, 2023

Hi, I have noticed recently I have around 2000 bogus sign-ups that have created accounts in Django. Looking through the logs these have come from the Postorius sign-up pages. I checked and email confirmation is required before the accounts are created and the email addresses that have been used do seem like they could respond to these requests. I don't want to add captchas to the form right now but is there any way to clean out these users from the database perhaps periodically based on whether the accounts are subscribed to any list? Thanks. Andrew.

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Custom Archiver
by pknowles＠tpnsolutions.com April 2, 2023

April 2, 2023

I'm playing around with installing Mailman Core, and want to have messages on a "per-list" basis sent to a special "archiver" address which I intend to make archives available at via a custom built "read-only" IMAP client. How would I go about having messages sent to this external address, short of adding the address as a subscriber?

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lmtp runner not starting
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

This morning I upgraded the mailman3 installation of the less traffic server I have: a bunch of lists, with very slow traffic. (see pip lists at the end) I sent test mails to a pair of lists, but none were distributed or archived. postorius seemed working well. First I thought it was some I did wrong in the upgrade procedure, but then I realized the lmtp runner was not running. I followed old messages about similar problem (many of them in this same mailman-users list), but I cannot see what is wrong. There is no error logged in mailman.log. the mailman.cfg of the lmtp is the default (and was working at least a pair of weeks ago) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* from mailman.cfg [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* There is no one listening in port 8024. I tried changing the port (to 9024), with the same results. postfix seems working well. I's just there is nothing listening on port 8024 because lmtp runner is not running :) (from maillog): connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024: Connection refused (another simple test) root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # telnet localhost 8024 Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused I'm running out of ideas. Any clue to somewhere to dig in? *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* runners started Apr 01 17:24:40 2023 (4681) out runner started. Apr 01 17:24:40 2023 (4680) virgin runner started. Apr 01 17:24:41 2023 (4679) command runner started. Apr 01 17:24:42 2023 (4688) retry runner started. Apr 01 17:24:43 2023 (4686) in runner started. Apr 01 17:24:44 2023 (4683) digest runner started. Apr 01 17:24:44 2023 (4684) nntp runner started. Apr 01 17:24:45 2023 (4682) archive runner started. Apr 01 17:24:46 2023 (4685) bounces runner started. Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) task runner started. Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted expired cache entries Apr 01 17:24:48 2023 (4678) pipeline runner started. Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted expired cache entries *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* pip lists with versions installed root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep mailman django-mailman3 1.3.9 mailman 3.3.8 mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1 mailmanclient 3.3.5 root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep django django-allauth 0.51.0 django-appconf 1.0.5 django-compressor 4.0 django-extensions 3.2.0 django-gravatar2 1.4.4 django-haystack 3.2.1 django-mailman3 1.3.9 django-picklefield 3.1 django-q 1.3.9 djangorestframework 3.13.1 root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep postorius postorius 1.3.8 -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Email discard
by qro＠xs4all.nl April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

Hi I have a good working mailman3 list server with 3 mailing lists. 2 of them work OK, but 1 has a little odd behaiver If a non member send an email it will discard while the setting in /postorius/lists/list.name.nl/settings/message_acceptance shows Hold for moderation A snip from var/mailman3/mailman.log Apr 01 10:48:32 2023 (49342) DISCARD: <4359976d-d4bb-9b30-0901-c842aa1fecb3(a)xs4all.nl>; ['The message is not from a list member'] Changing and saving a other choice makes no difference. Where can I look more to find a solution? (in mysql?) Peter

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Dealing with spam from Web users
by Jeremy Stanley April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

We recently migrated a bunch of lists from 2.1 to 3.3.7 and have started to get spammers posting via HyperKitty (because I guess that's easier for them than SMTP). It looks like I should be able to set posts from HyperKitty to be automatically moderated by creating a header filter on "User-Agent" matching "HyperKitty" but is there a better/easier way? Also, for things which already went out to the list, obviously I can ban the spammer but what's the cleanest solution for removing their posts from list archives so that we don't further their goals by continuing to publish their handiwork? -- Jeremy Stanley

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Need some help getting this working...
by Marisa Giancarla March 31, 2023

March 31, 2023

I'm trying to get mailman set up again (don't ask what happened) and I am having trouble. Anyone interested in working with me to resolve the issues? I'm trying to run itonUbuntu22.04 if that makes a difference. I can provide shell access to the mail server... Thanks for the attention! Marisa -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

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Question about whitlisting a domain for specific mailing list
by Zaheer Abbas March 30, 2023

March 30, 2023

Hi All, I need to whitelist a domain for a specific mailing list on your platform. Only *(a)example.com email addresses should be allowed to post messages to this list. Could you please provide me with documentation or instructions on how to achieve this? I have already searched the knowledge base and user manuals without success. I believe it was previously available in mailman2 via Accept_these_nonmembers attribute. But I cannot find this attribute anywhere on postorius. I am using mailman 3.2.2 Any help would be really appreciated. Best regards, -- *ZA*

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500 error on Held Messages page
by Dan Caballero March 30, 2023

March 30, 2023

Hello, I searched the list but couldn't find anything specific to the error seeing with held messages for this specific list. See output below from the mailman.log. The problem doesn't seem to be related to the database listarchiver table. Please advise. -- Dan Caballero Caltech Systems Administrator MySQL [mailman3_prod]> select * from listarchiver where mailing_list_id='4899'; +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ | id | mailing_list_id | name | _is_enabled | +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ | 1872 | 4899 | mhonarc | 0 | | 1873 | 4899 | mail-archive | 0 | | 1874 | 4899 | prototype | 0 | | 1875 | 4899 | hyperkitty | 1 | +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ 4 rows in set (0.001 sec) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2022-09-20 14:44:17 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/jewishlife(a)caltech.edu/held?count=10&page=1 => Traceback (most recent call last): File "falcon/app.py", line 365, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 182, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in _make_collection entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in <listcomp> entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 173, in _resource_as_dict assert resource is not None, resource AssertionError: None

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Re: 404 on fresh install (Debian11)
by Stephen Turnbull March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Sorry about breaking the thread, institution system "upgrade" to O365 broke my world so I'm cutting and pasting into Outlook. comprepair_jimberg--- via Mailman-users writes: > Can you setup Mailman3 for me? I have done apt install > mailman3-full but I have no clue whaat I am doing. You should seriously consider either going for a managed host or hiring somebody. Unfortunately, you're asking a bit much for volunteer help. The problem is that Debian uses the FHS layout with the system Python,while we core devs recommend and use a self-contained "virtual environment" with an /opt-style layout. Debian also applies patches that may or may not be backports from more recent versions. We just don't know what's going to go wrong on a distro install. Mailman also has dependencies on several system components (webserver, mailserver, WSGI implementation, SQL database, text indexer) which each come in multiple flavors, but the range of combinations we're familiar with is limited and may not even include the Debian default list. Once you have a working Mailman installation we'll be happy to help you tune it, though. (And you don't need core devs for that anyway, other Mailman site admins who hang out here can often help as well as well as we can.) We are much more likely to have knowledge and experience to help with a virtual environment install as described in https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… Here's an alternative, "from the ground up" step by step description of a specific combination of components: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 I think it should work just fine for Debian 11 as well. The author of "Mailman3 On Debian10" was a hosting and mailing list service provider, and used this recipe for all his hosts. Regards, Steve

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Sending a message to a subscription applicant when a subscription request is made
by Allan Hansen March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Dear Mailman 3 wizards, Our subscription process requires that the applicant answers a few questions and sends them to the list moderator. Not having a template that gets sent on all subscribe requests, I'm using the 'list:admin:action:subscribe' template. This gets sent to the list moderator, who then sends it forward to the applicant. This is rather tedious. I would like the template to be sent directly to the applicant. There is a template, 'list:user:action:subscribe' that almost does this, but it gets sent only if the email address of the applicant is unverified. A good number of our applicants are already on our lists, so they would not get this template if we set the Subscription Policy to 'Confirm, then moderate'. Our Subscription Policy is currently: 'Moderate' for all lists. I figure that three modifications can be used to fix this: a. That we change the lines in the Python program in our installation that send 'list:admin:action:subscribe' to the list admins to instead send the template to the applying subscriber. b. That we change the lines in the Python program in our installation that send 'list:user:action:subscribe' to the subscriber with an unverified address to always do this, even when the incoming address has already been verified. c. That the current 'list:user:action:subscribe' be changed in published Mailman 3 source to 'list:user:action:confirm' and a new template ''list:user:action:subscribe' be set up to be sent when any subscribe request is made. This is more work, of course, so not likely a good thing to hack locally. It could be useful to other users. Any suggestions on how to best and most quickly do the above would be appreciated, starting with (a.) or (b.). Clearly, (a.) and (b.), if we do one of those, are hacks that will need to be applied upon Mailman updates. That's fine by me, as I'm in rush to get this done. I'd welcome pointers as to which file to change and how. Of these two options, which would be the least work? (c.) could be entered as a longer-term enhancement request. I can submit that request if you like. Yours, Allan Hansen P.S.: Thank you for the enhancement that lets moderators see the member lists. It has been a big help for us. GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:VWy26K4pUfU4jw@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass

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404 on fresh install (Debian11)
by thomas＠lydra.fr March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Hello, very new to mailman3, I used to manage mailman2 on a Debian 10 server. The server has been upgraded to Debian 11 and mailman2 disappear… I try fresh install of mailman3, prerequisite to data migration, but without success. If some can help, I would be really greatful. Here is my path: - `mailman3-full` install with apt. MySQL config since I have this DBMS - `python3-pymysql` install with apt after seeing errors in logs - Apache2 configuration (other virtual hosts are present) ```apache2 <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName newsletter.mydomain.tld Alias /static /var/lib/mailman3/web/static Alias /favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico DocumentRoot /var/lib/mailman3/web/static <Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static"> Require all granted </Directory> ProxyPassMatch ^/static ! ProxyPass / http://localhost:8001/ ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8001/ ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_error.log CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_access.log combined </VirtualHost> ``` And now I have a 404 answer when consulting my http page. When trying to access `/static` sub-path, I get `Cannot serve directory /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/admin/: No matching DirectoryIndex found`. I also tried `ProxyPass / unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost` but also fails with `No protocol handler was valid for the URL / (scheme 'uwsgi')` I am a bit lost with that. Thanks for your help

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NGINX reports 502 after fresh install
by Mailman March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Hi All, I'm working my way through the recommended installation in a Python virtual environment. I seem to have the components installed and working but when I try to access the web interface I receive an error 502 from the web server. I'm assuming I've misconfigured something in Nginx. What details are needed for a diagnosis? Thanks, Chris P

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Social signup?
by Duane Raymond March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Hi everyone, Is there a way to enable social signup (vs just login for existing users)? I've just implemented social login on my mailman lists, but realised it seems to be only login, and not signup...or at least I couldn't fine specific info to enable social signup. Is social signup something anyone has implemented (and if so how). If not, I suspect there might be a good reason (e.g. privacy, security, etc) but I'd love to hear it :-) Duane

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Mailman 3 database restore unexpected behavior
by Tibor Molnar March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Mailman3 built from source using virtual environment. Version: GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg Issue: I have restored the database number of times recently and experienced that every time after restoration (an hour after) all members getting an email that they are unsubscribed due to bounces, however non of the users are actually unsubscribed from any lists. It looks like there are duplicates in database and all the duplicates are getting unsubscribed? Bounces message: name(a)email.com unsubscribed from [listname] mailing list due to bounces Only restoring two files: mailman3 and mailman3web Did anyone come acroos this behavior ? It is not right that after restoring a database all 1000 user get an email that they are unsubscribed, but they are actually not. I may do something wrong during the restoring process. Please advise me.

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How to list all nonmembers from a list?
by Jens Günther March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Hey there, I wanted to list all nonmembers from a list, I just can't find an easy way to do it. For listing members of a list it is quite clear: mailman members $mylist Is there a similar way for nonmembers!? Actually I'm pretty sure, that one can do it with the shell and I found some documentation on that. But I'm kind of a noob in these things and already tried a little around, but can't get anything to work: dump_members(mlist.nonmembers.members) from https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… Help qould be highly appreciated, thanks in advance! Jens.

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Is it possible to give the supporter team list administrator rights to all lists
by Henrik Rasmussen March 27, 2023

March 27, 2023

Having everyone in our support team logging in using the same Mailman system administrator account is obviously far from good practice. Therefore, as the Mailman system administrator, all support is on my shoulders. Is there any way to create an administrator account for each supporter, so they can support the list administrators with their lists, without having access rights to the full system, as the Mailman list administrator have? If not, I would have to make a workaround, programmatically (API) granting every supporter owner access to every list. Your sincerely Henrik Rasmussen System administrator University of Copenhagen

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Installing Mailman for the first time
by comprepair_jimberg＠icloud.com March 25, 2023

March 25, 2023

I am running Debian 11 Server and wanting to install Mailman 3 Will this work for what I am trying to do? https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 If not is there a shorter list of steps to accomplish what I am trying to do? Jim

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Subscription requests = 0 ? Bug or feature?
by Odhiambo Washington March 24, 2023

March 24, 2023

Even though I have a "Pending confirmation" request, the total entries under the subscription requests reads zero. I thought it should read whatever the total of (pending confirmation + pending approval) is. https://imgur.com/a/jq9B44S -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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moving individual list to different domain
by Johannes Rohr March 22, 2023

March 22, 2023

Dear all, on mailman2 it was possible to move a list to a different domain within the same mailman instance. I have found no information on how the same can be accomplished on mailman3. Is this possible at all? Thanks! Johannes

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Subscription Requests
by Odhiambo Washington March 22, 2023

March 22, 2023

It would be nice to have a "Submission Date" field added to the table for both requests "pending confirmation" and "pending approval" the same way we have a hold_date for held messages. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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eccentric setup question
by Jeff Berry March 21, 2023

March 21, 2023

Good morning all, we've got a somewhat eccentric setup for our mailman installation, and we're having difficulty getting some of the settings to work properly, so I'm hoping some one has some insight. Our server machine is hidden behind our firewall, with the actual machine name not availble via external DNS) and all the mail is being routed through an Exchange server. So mail to list(a)domain.com hits our exchange server, which sends it on to lists(a)listserver.domain.com The problem we're having is that if the mailman domain of the list is listserver.domain.com then spamfilters start to flag the mail since it looks like spoofing/malformed headers and so on. If the mailman domain is just domain.com then postfix rejects it with an unknown local recipient error. I though I might be able to just tweak the incoming mail headers in postfix via header_checks but that's not working, either because I've got the wrong check or it's the wrong approach, or both. postfix relay_domains might do it, I think, but if it maps listserver.domain.com to domain.com that would break the listserver domain mailing lists (I think). Is there a canonical way to do this and/or have I missed some obvious configuration option in either mailman or postfix? Kind regards, Jeff Berry jeff.berry(a)mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk

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