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Moderator e-mails only going out once a day
by jkoral＠luc.edu April 3, 2025

April 3, 2025

Hi, I have just got done migrating from MM2 to MM3 and the users are experiencing issues with their moderated messages. After the message is sent, the moderator does not know about the message until the next day. I checked the maillogs and all those messages are being sent at the same time around midnight. I also noticed the messages are being sent from user(a)example.com, which I switched in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg to a generic e-mail address. Is there a way to change those moderator e-mails to send right away? Does having user(a)example.com in the config affect that? Thank you in advance, Joe

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Debian 12: Following docs does not create /opt/mailman/web/xapian_index
by Philip Bondi April 2, 2025

April 2, 2025

Hello to all: Following along: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setting-up-full… But Method 1 does not create /opt/mailman/web/xapian_index for me on Debian 12 export XAPIAN_VERSION="1.4.27" curl https://raw.githubusercontent.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/master/xapian_… -o xapian_wheel_builder.sh bash xapian_wheel_builder.sh $XAPIAN_VERSION (venv) mailman@shackleton12:~$ find /opt/mailman -type d -name '*xapian*' /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian_haystack-3.1.0.dist-info /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian-1.4.27.dist-info (venv) mailman@shackleton12:~$ find /opt/mailman -type f -name '*xapian_index*' (venv) mailman@shackleton12:~$ When I try to search, I get this stack trace by email: Internal Server Error: /archives/search PermissionError at /archives/search [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman/web/xapian_index' Request Method: GET Request URL: http://systemdatabase.ca/archives/search?mlist=ebill%40systemdatabase.ca&q=… Django Version: 4.2.20 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.11.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python311.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.11', '/usr/lib/python3.11/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages'] Server time: Tue, 01 Apr 2025 16:54:49 +0000 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/search.py", line 54, in search results = EmptySearchQuerySet() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/haystack/query.py", line 25, in __init__ self._determine_backend() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/haystack/query.py", line 58, in _determine_backend self.query = connections[backend_alias].get_query() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 1100, in get_query return self.query(using=self.using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 510, in __init__ self.backend = connections[self._using].get_backend() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 1092, in get_backend self._backend = self.backend(self.using, **self.options) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 207, in __init__ os.makedirs(self.path) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "<frozen os>", line 225, in makedirs <source code not available> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Exception Type: PermissionError at /archives/search Exception Value: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman/web/xapian_index' Raised during: hyperkitty.views.search.search Request information: USER: pjbondi GET: mlist = 'ebill(a)systemdatabase.ca' q = 'cost' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: csrftoken = '********************' sessionid = '********************' META: CSRF_COOKIE = '8C2Wu0RN7MyvvyBP89caOkgFalH79NYD' HTTP_ACCEPT = 'text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/avif,image/webp,image/apng,*/*;q=0.8,application/signed-exchange;v=b3;q=0.7' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate, br, zstd' HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE = 'en-US,en;q=0.9' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'Keep-Alive' HTTP_COOKIE = '********************' HTTP_HOST = 'systemdatabase.ca' HTTP_REFERER = 'https://systemdatabase.ca/archives/list/ebill@systemdatabase.ca/latest' HTTP_SEC_CH_UA = '"Chromium";v="134", "Not:A-Brand";v="24", "Google Chrome";v="134"' HTTP_SEC_CH_UA_MOBILE = '?0' HTTP_SEC_CH_UA_PLATFORM = '"Windows"' HTTP_SEC_FETCH_DEST = 'document' HTTP_SEC_FETCH_MODE = 'navigate' HTTP_SEC_FETCH_SITE = 'same-origin' HTTP_SEC_FETCH_USER = '?1' HTTP_UPGRADE_INSECURE_REQUESTS = '1' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/134.0.0.0 Safari/537.36' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = '192.168.1.1' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST = 'systemdatabase.ca' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER = 'systemdatabase.ca' PATH_INFO = '/archives/search' QUERY_STRING = 'mlist=ebill%40systemdatabase.ca&q=cost' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_URI = '/archives/search?mlist=ebill%40systemdatabase.ca&q=cost' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = 'shackleton12' SERVER_PORT = '8000' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.1' uwsgi.core = 0 uwsgi.node = b'shackleton12' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.28' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = <built-in function uwsgi_sendfile> wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7fa484b846b0> wsgi.multiprocess = True wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'username', 'email'} ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'pjbondi(a)systemdatabase.com'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['localhost', '127.0.0.1', 'systemdatabase.ca', '192.168.1.8'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = PosixPath('/opt/mailman/web') CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js': 'compressor.js.JsCompressor'} COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'css': ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter', 'compressor.filters.cssmin.rCSSMinFilter'], 'js': ['compressor.filters.jsmin.rJSMinFilter']} COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7fa480f33f60> COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.OfflineManifestFileStorage' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE_ALIAS = 'compressor-offine' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_STORAGE_ALIAS = 'compressor' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_MASKED = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = ['https://systemdatabase.ca'] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailmanweb', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '5432', 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'CONN_HEALTH_CHECKS': False, 'OPTIONS': {}, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'MIGRATE': True, 'MIRROR': None, 'NAME': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FILES = 100 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER = 'django.views.debug.ExceptionReporter' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'pjbondi(a)systemdatabase.com' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420 FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'PATH': '/opt/mailman/web/xapian_index', 'ENGINE': 'xapian_backend.XapianEngine'}} HYPERKITTY_ENABLE_GRAVATAR = True IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ar-dz', 'Algerian Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('ckb', 'Central Kurdish (Sorani)'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('ig', 'Igbo'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('ky', 'Kyrgyz'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('ms', 'Malay'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('tg', 'Tajik'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tk', 'Turkmen'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'ar-dz', 'ckb', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.WatchedFileHandler', 'filename': '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'DEBUG', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['console', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO'}, 'q': {'level': 'WARNING', 'propagate': False, 'handlers': ['console', 'file']}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '/' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', 'workers': 2} ROOT_URLCONF = 'mailman_web.urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECRET_KEY_FALLBACKS = '********************' SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True SECURE_CROSS_ORIGIN_OPENER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'pjbondi(a)systemdatabase.com' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.JSONSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [{'id': 'yahoo', 'name': 'Yahoo', 'openid_url': 'http://me.yahoo.com'}]}, 'google': {'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}}, 'facebook': {'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': ['email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone'], 'VERSION': 'v2.4'}} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/static/' STORAGES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage'}, 'staticfiles': {'BACKEND': 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage'}} TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_DEPRECATED_PYTZ = False USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = False USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'mailman_web.wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' 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by Philip Bondi April 1, 2025

April 1, 2025

Hello to all: Giant thank you to the community, Mark, Stephen, everyone. I have a lot of follow-up tasks in previous posts. Blazing forward on critical path flaws, first. I require a Debian 12 VM that supports: - Subversion - Let's Encrypt and required challenges - IMAP server - mailman3 - DKIM server I found this post helpful. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I think I've noticed that posters avoid less than sign and express as html. I hacked it into this, which I tried to anonymize. My alias /static/ had to point to different location for my installation. I have ssl working for Subversion and my Let's Encrypt challenges. And 6 of those ProxyPass seem to work through ssl, except for /mailman3. That fails. Surfing to example.com/mailman3 gets. Service Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. <IfModule mod_ssl.c> <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName example.com Redirect permanent / https://example.com/ DocumentRoot /var/www/html/example.com/ </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost *:443> SSLEngine on ServerAdmin pjbondi(a)systemdatabase.com ServerName example.com ServerAlias www.example.com DocumentRoot /var/www/html/example.com/ ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/example.com_error.log CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/example.com_access.log combined Include /etc/letsencrypt/options-ssl-apache.conf SSLCertificateFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/example.com-0001/fullchain.pem SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/example.com-0001/privkey.pem Alias /static/ /opt/mailman/web/static/ <Directory "/opt/mailman/web/static/"> Require all granted </Directory> <IfModule mod_headers.c> RequestHeader unset X-Forwarded-Proto <If "%{HTTPS} =~ /on/"> RequestHeader set X-Forwarded-Proto "https" </If> </IfModule> <IfModule mod_proxy.c> ProxyPreserveHost On ProxyPass "/postorius" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius" ProxyPass "/hyperkitty" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty" ProxyPass "/accounts" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/accounts" ProxyPass "/admin" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/admin" ProxyPass "/user-profile" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/user-profile" ProxyPass "/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3" ProxyPass "/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives" # https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues/525 #ProxyPass / unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ #ProxyPassReverse / unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ #ProxyPassMatch "^/$" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3" </IfModule> </VirtualHost> </IfModule> I was noticing that there's no mailman3 sub-dir, here. I tried changing to http://127.0.0.1:8000/django-mailman3, but that didn't work. (venv) mailman@shackleton12:~$ ls -alF /opt/mailman/web/static/ total 40 drwxr-xr-x 10 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 24 16:03 ./ drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Mar 24 16:01 ../ drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 24 16:03 account/ drwxr-xr-x 5 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 24 16:03 admin/ drwxr-xr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 25 08:07 CACHE/ drwxr-xr-x 5 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 24 16:03 django_extensions/ drwxr-xr-x 5 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 24 16:03 django-mailman3/ drwxr-xr-x 6 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 24 16:03 hyperkitty/ drwxr-xr-x 6 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 24 16:03 postorius/ drwxr-xr-x 7 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 24 16:03 rest_framework/ Any ideas? What log file should I share? I've looked at apache and uwsgi logs, but I don't know what's relevant. I cannot seem to find an error in logs around mailman3 URL

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Install Mailman 3.x Core on Alma Linux 9 / CloudLinux
by pineyscripter＠gmail.com March 30, 2025

March 30, 2025

Has anyone actually done this ? Want to use Exim and MariaDB

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"Something went wrong" HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"}
by zachr＠mta.ca March 27, 2025

March 27, 2025

Thanks for any help in advance! server: Used this guide: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#nginx-configura… ubuntu 24.04 Django UWSGI Gunicorn Nginx SQLite DB Ive had a look at historical posts and I think this might be related to this issue: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… but Im not exactly sure. I only have one list on the server and I am encountering this issue. All other pages work fine. This is is the output of the mailman log: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2025-03-21 16:49:30 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/csdopstest.test.com/archivers => Traceback (most recent call last): File "falcon/app.py", line 440, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 425, in on_get archiver_set = IListArchiverSet(self._mlist) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 167, in adapter_hook return sitemanager.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/zope/interface/registry.py", line 363, in queryAdapter return self.adapters.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 647, in __init__ for archiver in config.archivers: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 284, in archivers archiver = call_name(class_path) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 70, in call_name return named_callable(*args, **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 60, in __init__ self._load_conf() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 87, in _load_conf self._conf["api_key"] = archiver_config.get("general", "api_key") ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/configparser.py", line 777, in get return self._interpolation.before_get(self, section, option, value, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/configparser.py", line 367, in before_get self._interpolate_some(parser, option, L, value, section, defaults, 1) File "/usr/lib/python3.12/configparser.py", line 414, in _interpolate_some raise InterpolationSyntaxError( configparser.InterpolationSyntaxError: '%' must be followed by '%' or '(', found: '%#$%sfdgs' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Should I try the fix in the post mentioned above or is this a different issue? Cheers

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No emails distributed after mail received for a new list following https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html on new mailman3 Debian 12 installation
by Philip Bondi March 27, 2025

March 27, 2025

Hello to all: I require a Debian 12 VM that supports: - Subversion - Let's Encrypt and required challenges - IMAP server - mailman3 - DKIM server I'm currently running same on a CentOS 7.x VM. So that needs to be retired/migrated sooner rather than later because CentOS is out-of-support. On the Debian 12 VM other services appear to be setup and working. mailman3 is the 2nd last service that I'm standing up. In this moment, I've been able to follow https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html and https://docs.list.org/en/latest/config-web.html I have mailman3 and mailmanweb services running successfully. I have not yet been able to integrate mailmanweb into Apache (probably because of the Subversion and Let's Encrypt requirements). But I'm able to access local Postorius instance and configure a superuser and a list with web browser running locally on Debian 12 VM. My list is named ebill. An email was received for the DL, but not distributed. Can you advise how to troubleshoot from here? Mar 25 15:23:04 shackleton12 postfix/smtpd[247708]: connect from smtprelay0015.hostedemail.com[216.40.44.15] Mar 25 15:23:04 shackleton12 postfix/smtpd[247708]: Anonymous TLS connection established from smtprelay0015.hostedemail.com[216.40.44.15]: TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256 Mar 25 15:23:04 shackleton12 postfix/smtpd[247708]: 3CD47189B: client=smtprelay0015.hostedemail.com[216.40.44.15] Mar 25 15:23:04 shackleton12 postfix/cleanup[247722]: 3CD47189B: message-id=<a7aee014-f200-4bd4-bbc4-bc9f37abb6df(a)systemdatabase.com> Mar 25 15:23:04 shackleton12 postfix/qmgr[241822]: 3CD47189B: from=<pjbondi(a)systemdatabase.com>, size=3238, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Mar 25 15:23:04 shackleton12 postfix/smtpd[247708]: disconnect from smtprelay0015.hostedemail.com[216.40.44.15] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 Mar 25 15:23:04 shackleton12 postfix/lmtp[247723]: 3CD47189B: to=<ebill(a)systemdatabase.ca>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.29, delays=0.06/0.03/0.02/0.19, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Mar 25 15:23:04 shackleton12 postfix/qmgr[241822]: 3CD47189B: removed root@shackleton12:~# postconf -n alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases append_dot_mydomain = no biff = no compatibility_level = 3.6 inet_protocols = ipv4 local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp mailbox_size_limit = 0 mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp masquerade_domains = systemdatabase.ca mydestination = $myhostname, systemdatabase.ca, localhost.systemdatabase.ca, localhost, systemdatabase.homelinux.com mydomain = systemdatabase.ca myhostname = systemdatabase.ca mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 myorigin = systemdatabase.ca owner_request_special = no proxy_interfaces = 192.168.1.8 readme_directory = no recipient_delimiter = + relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains relayhost = [smtp.bellnet.ca]:25 smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Debian/GNU) smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated reject_unauth_destination permit_inet_interfaces smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination permit_inet_interfaces smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/letsencrypt/live/systemdatabase.ca-0001/fullchain.pem smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/letsencrypt/live/systemdatabase.ca-0001/privkey.pem smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtpd_tls_security_level = may smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache smtputf8_enable = no transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550

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remove website example.com via django interface
by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock March 27, 2025

March 27, 2025

remove website 'example.com' via django interface or "how to rush jourself off your feet" **Disclaimer: don't try this at home** in believe to replace the display of 'example.com' in the postorius-webinterface i logged into django-interface, under 'website' (very bottom of the left menu) i added my new website and then deleted 'example.com'. Result: i can't access my webinterfaces any more, neither django nor postorius. Questions: 1. Does somebody know about the correct approach to change the displayed url in the postorius-webinterface? 2. does somebody perhaps know how to revert those removal via CLI or other ways? greetings aiz

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Unsubscribe from a list
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat March 26, 2025

March 26, 2025

Hello, When a list member sends an email to list-leave@... to unsubscribe from a list, neither the moderators nor the list owners receive it. Only the person who sent the email receives a confirmation email.

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Disable deletion of list in Postorious
by Julian Kippels March 26, 2025

March 26, 2025

Hi, I would like to configure Postorious in a way to disable the functionality to delete a list. Is there a way to do this? Thanks Julian

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Disabling the version disclosure.
by ninad＠iitb.ac.in March 25, 2025

March 25, 2025

Dear All, I recently installed Mailman3. I am new to MM3. As per my organization's policy, I need to turn off the version disclosure of Mailman Core, Postorius, and Hyperkitty. Specifically shown in the footer and in the system information page. Please let me know if there are any settings that I can set. I don't want to change any html code for the same. Please guide me in this regard.

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Problem with uwsgi --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini while following https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html on new mailman3 Debian 12 installation
by Philip Bondi March 25, 2025

March 25, 2025

Hello to all: Even though I have mailman3-web and mailman3-full packages installed, it feels like everything is working properly up to this point. What is supposed to be the correct outcome of https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setting-up-a-wsgi-s… ? When I execute the command, uwsgi --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini, it hangs without output. (venv) mailman@shackleton12:~$ uwsgi --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini [uWSGI] getting INI configuration from /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini ^C(venv) mailman@shackleton12:~$ Hmm. I'm wondering if I should remove mailman3-web package. And start from step https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-web-ui

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Problem with perms on /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg while following https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html on new mailman3 Debian 12 installation
by Philip Bondi March 25, 2025

March 25, 2025

Hello to all: Trying to install mailman3 for the first time on Debian 12 virtual machine. I tried to search for relevant and related posts, but could not find any. I'm following along the documentation and I get stuck after this step https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setup-mailman-user I'm finding that there's a problem while trying to edit /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg The instructions https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-mailman-… do not say what to do with existing file. root@shackleton12:~# ls -alF /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg -rw-r--r-- 1 root list 11119 Mar 20 11:45 /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg Should we move the /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg out of the way and create new file as user and group mailman:mailman ?

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Error when sending customized welcome message template
by Markus Grandpré March 25, 2025

March 25, 2025

Dear List, As soon as a template "[list:user:notice:welcome]" exists, and at least one email address is provided during mass subscribe, while sending an invitation is disabled and sending a welcome message is enabled, the following error occurs: HTTP Error 400: ('Connection aborted.', ConnectionResetError(104, 'Connection reset by peer')) The new member(s) are added to the mailing list, but the welcome message is not sent. In the log file </var/log/mailman3/mailman.log>, I find: --------------- >8 --------------- [13/Mar/2025:08:09:49 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/testliste.mailman.uni-konstanz.de HTTP/1.1" 200 422 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Mar 13 08:09:49 2025 (1072) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 705, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 388, in _make_request self._validate_conn(conn) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 1050, in _validate_conn conn.connect() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 414, in connect self.sock = ssl_wrap_socket( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/util/ssl_.py", line 449, in ssl_wrap_socket ssl_sock = _ssl_wrap_socket_impl( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/util/ssl_.py", line 493, in _ssl_wrap_socket_impl return ssl_context.wrap_socket(sock, server_hostname=server_hostname) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.11/ssl.py", line 517, in wrap_socket return self.sslsocket_class._create( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.11/ssl.py", line 1108, in _create self.do_handshake() File "/usr/lib/python3.11/ssl.py", line 1379, in do_handshake self._sslobj.do_handshake() ConnectionResetError: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 489, in send resp = conn.urlopen( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 789, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 552, in increment raise six.reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/six.py", line 718, in reraise raise value.with_traceback(tb) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 705, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 388, in _make_request self._validate_conn(conn) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 1050, in _validate_conn conn.connect() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 414, in connect self.sock = ssl_wrap_socket( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/util/ssl_.py", line 449, in ssl_wrap_socket ssl_sock = _ssl_wrap_socket_impl( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/util/ssl_.py", line 493, in _ssl_wrap_socket_impl return ssl_context.wrap_socket(sock, server_hostname=server_hostname) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.11/ssl.py", line 517, in wrap_socket return self.sslsocket_class._create( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.11/ssl.py", line 1108, in _create self.do_handshake() File "/usr/lib/python3.11/ssl.py", line 1379, in do_handshake self._sslobj.do_handshake() urllib3.exceptions.ProtocolError: ('Connection aborted.', ConnectionResetError(104, 'Connection reset by peer')) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() ^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 362, in _step_do_subscription self.member = self.mlist.subscribe( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 539, in subscribe notify(SubscriptionEvent( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/event/__init__.py", line 32, in notify subscriber(event) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/membership.py", line 183, in handle_SubscriptionEvent send_welcome_message(mlist, member, member.preferred_language) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/notifications.py", line 79, in send_welcome_message welcome_message = wrap(getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 192, in get contents = getUtility(ITemplateManager).get( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 114, in get contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 39, in get response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/api.py", line 73, in get return request("get", url, params=params, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/api.py", line 59, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 587, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 701, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 547, in send raise ConnectionError(err, request=request) requests.exceptions.ConnectionError: ('Connection aborted.', ConnectionResetError(104, 'Connection reset by peer')) [13/Mar/2025:08:09:49 +0100] "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 400 125 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [13/Mar/2025:08:09:49 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/testliste(a)mailman.uni-konstanz.de/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [13/Mar/2025:08:09:49 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/testliste(a)mailman.uni-konstanz.de/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" --------------- 8< --------------- If no template "[list:user:notice:welcome]" exists, the default welcome message is sent without an error. Could you please help me to solve this issue? Your help would be much appreciated. Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Grandpré Mailinglisten-Administration, Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342 -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Visibility of list members for list members
by Andreas Barth March 22, 2025

March 22, 2025

Hi, is it possible to make the list of members available to all list members? Or should I raise a feature request (and if, for which tool)? Regards, Andi

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Bounce of HCL Notes invitations - CloseBoundaryNotFoundDefect() - 501 Message has defects (in reply to end of DATA command)
by Ulf R. March 21, 2025

March 21, 2025

Hello, after switching from mailman2.1 to mailman3 mails with HCL Notes invitations are failing. The full error message is: 2025-03-20T15:19:13.111419+01:00 mailman1 postfix/lmtp[119104]: 139D6400AF: to=<mylist(a)lists.mydomain.com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.01 , delays=0/0/0/0.01, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 501 Message has defects (in reply to end of DATA command)) I have tried the deeper debug explainded here: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… The result is: mailman shell ... >>> import email >>> from mailman.email.message import Message >>> msg = email.message_from_binary_file(open('notestermin.eml', 'rb'), Message) >>> msg.defects [CloseBoundaryNotFoundDefect()] Is there a quick fix for this available? Is it a problem of the python code or the format of the HCL Notes Server? In the .eml file I see 25 header fields calles "X-Notes-Item". May be it is an overflow? Any ideas? Thank you and regards, Ulf

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How to change the showed URL/Domain of archives navbar?
by Ulf R. March 18, 2025

March 18, 2025

Hello, our first Domain was lists-test.mydomain.de. After this we added our real domain lists.mydomain.de and our migration from mailman2.1 has finished :-) When you go to lists-test.mydomain.de/archives/ in the the navbar only the name of our first test-domain is shown (lists-test.mydomain.de). How can we set the other domain there? I have tried to change the order of our two domains in the settings.py - without success. Our domains are: lists-test.mydomain.de has SITE_ID = 1 lists.mydomain.de has SITE_ID = 2 Thank you and regards, Ulf

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settings.ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED is deprecated in allauth-65.5.0
by Andreas Vetter March 18, 2025

March 18, 2025

After updating django-allauth to django-allauth-65.5.0 the system complains: System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: ?: settings.ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED is deprecated, use: settings.ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['email*', 'username*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] Old setting in mailman_web/settings/mailman.py is ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True What would be the correct setting for the new ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS ? -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

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CSS Hyperkitty ERROR
by Johan Alsina March 18, 2025

March 18, 2025

Hi, i installed mailman3 with virtualenv, all is working fine, the admin site works fine, the mailman(postorious) site works fine, but when im in hyperkitty the site shows without the css style.. in my web browser dev tool it shows like they loaded ok.. Here you can see what i see when loading hyperkitty https://freeimage.host/i/3n6kXKQ and mailman(postorius) https://freeimage.host/i/mailman.3n6kVix When i run my server with verbosity it shows like all is loading ok: https://freeimage.host/i/3n6SViG Any ideas? :/ My static files are loading from /static/CACHE/css/output.a0f71925131b.css and /static/hyperkitty/libs/fonts/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css It seems like the real error are in the /static/CACHE files, because hyperkitty is the only one who load files from this directory.. postorius uses /static/postorius and all the css files are working fine. I checked permissions for the directory, cleared cache, etc.. i dont know what to do. This is my config for staticfiles: STATIC_URL = 'static/' STATIC_ROOT = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'staticfiles') STATICFILES_DIRS = [ os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'static'), '/opt/mailman/projectes/mailman3web/static/CACHE', Thank you so much in advance.

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Postorius Suggestion: Give owner a view of all users of all owned lists
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 14, 2025

March 14, 2025

Andreas Vetter writes: > A list of all addresses subscribed to all lists owned by the logged > in person. This is starting to take a better form. It's still very specialized, so I'm starting to wonder if trying to add it to Postorius is a great idea. Of course if people are coming in over the network, you don't want to reproduce all the authentication and authorization logic implemented in Django and Postorius. That may as well be done in Django, and if you're doing Django it may as well be Postorius too. But if you're in a single sign-on environment so presence in the network implies strong authentication, you will get more flexibility from local scripts using mailmanclient, or if you're confident in security access to the REST API directly. Just putting that out for your consideration, since implementing what is taking shape here would take quite some time as the folks skilled with Postorius are not so active these days. > Owner is the primary target group for that. But since it should be > a tool for managing subscriptions in a simple way, it might also be > of interest for superusers. For me as a superuser it would make > life easier. [...] > Ah, I see the problem and agree: So, the presentation should have a > sorted and searchable list of addresses and a Button next to each > address, maybe labeled "Subscriptions". Looking at your description above, for superusers that is basically the Users tab, though. Users are identified by primary address, and you'd not see alternate addresses in the list. But presumably your internal users use their @your.org addresses as primary. Can you make clear what could be more streamlined for your use cases as superuser? I give one example below, maybe that's what you're mostly interested in. The caveats about access to User objects still apply for owners, so even if they look the same (which is a good UX idea if owner functionality is a subset of superuser functionality, also they might even be able to share the basic page templates), the implementation is going to be rather different. I suspect you superusers would be quite frustrated if using the "subscribe all these lists" functionality meant you couldn't get at the User object without going to a different page. I do see one weird thing: you can't manipulate subscription itself from the User page as seen by the superuser from that list, only toggle moderation and delivery mode. I guess that's reasonable for a lot of use cases, though. I've never wanted to do a subscribe or unsubscribe from there. I always have a long list of users to subscribe to specific lists, never a list of lists a specific user should belong to, > The presentation given when above "Subscriptions" Button is clicked > should contain the address as kind of Headline. Then a table of > all lists of the logged in owner and next to each mailing list an > indication, if the address is subscribed or not and a Button to > toggle subscription/unsubscription. May be a single Toggle Button > or (maybe better) two buttons, a suscribe and a unsubscribe button, > where one is greyed out. This would not work with the current User page as presented to a superuser, that's true. The current presentation is quite suited to its purpose, with sections for Addresses, Subscriptions, Ownership, and Delete User in that order. But especially for superusers, there are plenty of sites with thousands, even tens of thousands of lists, and even a paged or scrollable presentation would be awful UI, and the potential for a disastrous mistake using "do all" is high. > In addition my owners would like to have a "unsubscribe from all my > lists" button. And a "subscribe to all my lists" button. This might > be visually nicer, when having the two-button approach above. I wonder if your owners really want "subscribe all". "Unsubscribe all" does make sense for separations, of course, and they wouldn't necessarily be terminations. It would be useful in an internal transfer where "delete user" is not a solution. But in my experience specialized channels tend to proliferate but the same people are likely to be running them as run the department-wide lisst. > In our case we would want to (un-)subscribe the address in a "do > it, don't ask anyone" fashion, but maybe this is not a good idea in > general. What do you think? I think we would implement it similarly to the mass subscribe for multiple addresses case, where the list owner can decide how much bureaucracy to require of the subscriber. You'd want to be careful to make sure address verification is done at most once (for your use case, probably not at all). And there would be some things that could be done to arrange that most lists would have sensible defaults. > Yes, I agree, but policy here is to get rid of subdomains, and that > falls on our feet now. Well, once we figure out how to implement domain ownership, it wouldn't be hard to adapt that technology to "departments" that are administratively distinct but share mail and/or web domains. The main problem would be deciding whether and how to nest them. Superuser > domain owner > list owner > moderator is pretty obvious, but how "department owner" would fit in is less so.

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mailman-web migrate fails with sqlite3.IntegrityError: UNIQUE constraint failed: account_emailaddress.email
by Stefan Bauer March 14, 2025

March 14, 2025

Dear Users, trying to update mailman3 to lastest version, we fail during mailman-web migrate with: Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: Applying account.0006_emailaddress_lower...Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 89, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 328, in execute return super().execute(query, params) sqlite3.IntegrityError: UNIQUE constraint failed: account_emailaddress.email We found a workaround to fake the migration with migrate --fake Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: Applying account.0006_emailaddress_lower... FAKED Applying account.0007_emailaddress_idx_email... FAKED Applying account.0008_emailaddress_unique_primary_email_fixup... FAKED Applying account.0009_emailaddress_unique_primary_email... FAKED Applying django_q.0015_alter_schedule_schedule_type... FAKED Applying django_q.0016_schedule_intended_date_kwarg... FAKED Applying django_q.0017_task_cluster_alter... FAKED Applying django_q.0018_task_success_index... FAKED Applying postorius.0019_alter_emailtemplate_data... FAKED And mailman 3 is still processing mails. I'm unsure if i should recover from snapshot or keep it going? Could this be some duplicate users with same mail-address? I have at least spotted one user and delete him. thank you. Stefan

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Find a smtp server to send out emails
by Leon March 12, 2025

March 12, 2025

Hi, This problem is not caused by mailman, but I still want to give it a shot here. I'm hosting a mailing list on top of mailman3. Emails are supposed to be sent out by AWS ses. However, ses requires that sender address must be verified, which leads to a problem that emails sent by subscribers to mailing list cannot be sent to other subcirbers, since their addresses are not verified. And it is impossible to verified every subscriber. Are there smtp service providers allowing unverified email address to send out emails, or do I have other solutions? Thanks. -- Best wishes, Leon

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Help! Duplicate DKIM key
by Jose Bernal March 11, 2025

March 11, 2025

Hi all, I'm having *sudden* issues with our SMTP server (Amazon SES) erroring out while trying to send from our most active Mailman3 mailing list (~1,000 subscribers; modest Mailman3 (v 3.3.3) installation (10+ lists, Ubuntu). Here is the message. We've got several thousand log entries like this now: *554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'* Mar 10 08:31:10 mail1 postfix/smtp[217753]: 738B53F15E: to=< brian(a)brianmichaelslaw.com>, relay=xxx.org[44.225.xxx.xx]:587, delay=37, delays=2/35/0.16/0.13, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host said: 554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'. (in reply to end of DATA command)) As we don't do any DKIM key signing on the related Postfix machine I've opened up a case with Amazon. However, if there is a troubleshooting I should adopt on this issue with regard to Postfix/Mailman I'd like to know what your recommendations are, or what steps I can follow to better help the vendor ensure that this issue isn't coming from either the Postfix machine or the Mailman machine. Much thanks, --------------------- José Bernal Web/Application Engineer

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Re: Postorius Suggestion: Give owner a view of all users of all owned lists
by Andreas Vetter March 11, 2025

March 11, 2025

[Forgot reply to list] ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Thank you Stephen for your questions. I have to admit that I thought about a quick and dirty solution, but you are right, it would not be optimal. Lets see: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Andreas Vetter writes: > > it would be real great if owners that own several lists, but are > > not superusers, can see all users of all *their* lists and manage > > them. A down-"selected" version of the superusers view. > > > > Would that be possible? > > Possible, yes. I don't know how to do it well enough to add to our > distribution. > > Note that owners can't actually manage users -- that really does need > to be a superuser. Owners can manage subscriptions to the lists they > own. Agreed, "manage subscriptions" is what owners would need. A list of all addresses subscribed to all lists owned by the logged in person. > So first we'd want to create a new "Subscriptions" item for the > top menu; the "Users" item isn't appropriate. I'm not sure who that > item should be visible to. Most likely only owners, because > individuals already have ways to see all their subscriptions, and it's > not obvious they would want the same presentation as your superowners. Owner is the primary target group for that. But since it should be a tool for managing subscriptions in a simple way, it might also be of interest for superusers. For me as a superuser it would make life easier. > Then you'd iterate over the logged-in owner's lists and collect all of > the subscriptions. I guess you'd want them to be organized by address > rather than by list. By User is out, I think -- owners can't normally > see Users, and I'm unhappy abou the privacy implications of being able > to correlate nole(a)alset.com with head(a)dodgy.gov in general, although I > realize it's not a problem in your setting. Ah, I see the problem and agree: So, the presentation should have a sorted and searchable list of addresses and a Button next to each address, maybe labeled "Subscriptions". > Without a more complete specification of what your users need, and the > presentation they'd want to see, I personally am unwilling to go > farther than those comments. Maybe one of the other devs feels > differently. The presentation given when above "Subscriptions" Button is clicked should contain the address as kind of Headline. Then a table of all lists of the logged in owner and next to each mailing list an indication, if the address is subscribed or not and a Button to toggle subscription/unsubscription. May be a single Toggle Button or (maybe better) two buttons, a suscribe and a unsubscribe button, where one is greyed out.b In our case Delivery Status and Delivery Mode are not interesting, but others might appreciate it. In addition my owners would like to have a "unsubscribe from all my lists" button. And a "subscribe to all my lists" button. This might be visually nicer, when having the two-button approach above. In our case we would want to (un-)subscribe the address in a "do it, don't ask anyone" fashion, but maybe this is not a good idea in general. What do you think? > Also, "domain owner" is way under-implemented currently. For the > hierarchical situation you outline, all the problems go away for > domain owners. Of course then you'd need to split out lists by > domain, but to me that's a small cost to preserve sanity in the > structure. Yes, I agree, but policy here is to get rid of subdomains, and that falls on our feet now. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

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How to process emails with Mailman3?
by Kyle Lahnakoski March 11, 2025

March 11, 2025

Good day! I am setting up an email list for my local community (just myself right now). Being a nerd, I am using Amazon SES to send and receive emails. I have mailman installed on ec2 (using "pip install mailman") and it is working well enough to send an email to the list with /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman inject -f <somefile>all(a)mymaillist.org SES is putting incoming mail into an S3 bucket, one file per email. Using a small python program, I use the above command to send them to the list. When I add a user (like myself) I get a welcome email from all-request(a)mymaillist.org. When I respond, the mail arrives in the S3 bucket, but I do not know how to give it to mailman3. The "inject" command will not work because there is no "all-request" mailing list. How do I feed these administrative mails to mailman3? Thank you. ----- I have tried netcat the email to the ?LMTP? port, but it fails: (venv) [ec2-user@ip-10-0-3-253 mailman]$ nc localhost 8024 < /tmp/pbTw1oqmV1rZtHXV707Jcov264hr 220 ip-10-0-3-253.ec2.internal GNU Mailman LMTP runner 2.0 500 Error: command "RECEIVED-SPF:" not recognized 500 Error: command "AUTHENTICATION-RESULTS:" not recognized 500 Error: command "" not recognized 500 Error: command "" not recognized 502 5.5.1 Too many unrecognized commands, goodbye. here is what the first few lines of an email file look like. (Some values have been changed) Received-SPF: pass (spfCheck: domain of lahnakoski.com designates 8.8.8.8 as permitted sender) client-ip=8.8.8.8;envelope-from=kyle(a)lahnakoski.com; helo=cichlid.ash.relay.mailchannels.net; Authentication-Results: amazonses.com; spf=pass (spfCheck: domain of lahnakoski.com designates 8.8.8.8 as permitted sender) client-ip=8.8.8.8;envelope-from=kyle(a)lahnakoski.com; helo=cichlid.ash.relay.mailchannels.net; dkim=failheader.i=(a)lahnakoski.com; dmarc=none header.from=lahnakoski.com; Return-Path:<kyle(a)lahnakoski.com> Received: from cichlid.ash.relay.mailchannels.net (cichlid.ash.relay.mailchannels.net [8.8.8.8]) by fips.wmjb.mail-manager-smtp.amazonaws.com with ESMTPS id p78l98r6nfp05h5lbb24phnsrovpcomu57smml81 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) for<all-request(a)mymaillist.org>; Sun, 09 Mar 2025 15:13:30 +0000 (UTC) ...

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Moderation of held emails vs. spam
by David Krantz March 11, 2025

March 11, 2025

Hi, I now run Mailman 3.3.1, installed from pip. Is there now any way to prevent Mailman from forwarding the contents of the held message when notifying moderators of held messages? In my case these messages often are spam messages and if the entire contents are forwarded it triggers spam handling in the recipient address(es) which over time risks classifying all moderation emails as spam or even classifying the list domain or server as a spam source. Even my own outgoing filter classifies it as spam, which I will fix. I currently run rspamd for spam filtering, graylisting and DKIM and ARC verification/signing. Someone on this recommended it, thank you for that as it removes the need for other milters. I guess that this would be a simple change to make as a kludge but a proper implementation as a setting would be a lot better. I'd like it as a global setting but that might be too coarse. Cheers // David

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Postorius Suggestion: Give owner a view of all users of all owned lists
by Andreas Vetter March 10, 2025

March 10, 2025

Hi, it would be real great if owners that own several lists, but are not superusers, can see all users of all *their* lists and manage them. A down-"selected" version of the superusers view. Use case is an organisation (here are the superusers) with sub-organisations (here are the owners, e.g finance, research, production) having lists for the very sub-org itself and its sub-sub-orgs (e.g. research-all, research-solar, research-wind, research-battery). Would that be possible? -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

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Bad Request 400 error with nginx/uwsgi install of venv
by zachr＠mta.ca March 10, 2025

March 10, 2025

Hello, and thanks in advance for any assistance. I followed the installation guide at: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html# I opted to use nginx and uwsgi. I can access mailman in the browser at https://SERVER_IP/mailman3 but when I try to use the hostname I get an nginx 400 bad request error. It seems like there is an issue with the nginx proxy. I used the example config and updated the required information: --------------------- server { listen 443 ssl default_server; listen [::]:443 ssl default_server; server_name HOSTNAME_OF_SERVER; location /static/ { alias /opt/mailman/web/static/; } location / { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } ssl_certificate /etc/pki/tls/certs/our_certificate.crt; ssl_certificate_key /etc/pki/tls/private/our_key.key; } --------------------- I thought maybe that because Im using uwsgi I should try the ngx_http_uwsgi_module and uwsgi_params in the nginx config, but that did not work, or I didnt use the correct syntax. Not sure what to try next!

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Migration of the e-mail templates
by Markus Grandpré March 6, 2025

March 6, 2025

Dear list, When migrating the lists and archives from Mailman 2.1 to Mailman 3, the e-mail templates were obviously not migrated. Is there a way to make up for this? Kind regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Bug Report - REST API
by Peter Knowles March 6, 2025

March 6, 2025

OS: Debian 12 Mailman Core: 3.3.10 Install Method: venv When I apply the "count" and/or "page" param on: /3.1/lists/name.sub.domain.tld/requests This resulted in a "404 Not Found" error from the REST API. If I remove the params, the API returns results. From what I read in the docs, pagination should be possible on this type of endpoint as it returns "entries", "start" and "total_size". Tests against: /3.1/domains /3.1/lists Works fine with the "count" and "page" param as expected.

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Hyperkitty Replies showing up as new posts
by Arte Chambers March 6, 2025

March 6, 2025

Hello, my Hyperkitty is creating a new post for each reply in a thread. I would expect that new posts to a list would show up in the archive and once you click on that thread you would see all replies. However in my Hyperkitty each reply to a thread shows up as its own post usually with the subject line saying RE: Original Message. How can I set up Hyperkitty to behave more like the lists.mailman3.org archives where replies to topics are filed under their respective threads? Thank you, Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey 502-408-6922

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Using clean_users.py
by Odhiambo Washington March 6, 2025

March 6, 2025

I have run clean_users.py with: DELETE_MAILMAN_USER = True DELETE_DJANGO_IF_MAILMAN = True However, when I go to https://mm3-site/mm/lists/listname.mm3-site/members/nonmember/ I still have hundreds of users listed despite the script having run and it showed hundreds of addresses removed. What might be the issue? I expect to NOT find anything listed as nonmembers. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Set member.moderation_action via REST API as part of message approval?
by Andy Matthews March 5, 2025

March 5, 2025

We're using Mailman 3.3.9. My team and I have written a simple UI for displaying and approving/rejecting held messages from non list members. When an email receives an "always accept" flag from the UI we call the API to pass in the requested information: ``` Form form = new Form(); form.param("action", "accept"); Entity<Form> data = Entity.entity(form, MediaType.APPLICATION_FORM_URLENCODED_TYPE); String safePath = UriBuilder.fromPath("lists/{listId}/held/{messageId}").build(listId, messageId).toString(); response = getTarget().path(safePath).request().post(data); ``` If that request is successful we update the `accept_these_nonmembers` property of the mailing list with the user's email. ``` Form form = new Form(); if (fieldValue.getClass().isArray()) { for (String val : (String[])fieldValue) { form.param(property, String.valueOf(val)); } } else { form.param(property, String.valueOf(fieldValue)); } Entity<Form> data = Entity.entity(form, MediaType.APPLICATION_FORM_URLENCODED_TYPE); response = getTarget().path("lists/" + listId + "/config").request().method("PATCH", data); ``` The result of these two API calls is that both the subscribers and nonmembers properties of the mailing list are updated to include the new email (let's call it abc(a)123.com) The user can immediately send another email which is not held for moderation. The issue comes when a different nonmember sends an email and is approved (let's call it xyz(a)789.com) For some reason this blows out the "always accept" status of user abc(a)123.com and requires their email to be approved again. After some research I believe this is because the `accept_these_nonmembers` property has been deprecated (which seems valid because that property remains an empty array). Additional reading seems to indicate that we can now set `moderation_action` on each individual user which supercedes the mailing list's `default_nonmember_action` property (in our case it is `Action.hold`). The docs indicate that I should be able to submit a patch request to update the moderation action for any user: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… But it requires the user ID. And when trying to get the user_id for a nonmember it appears that it is not returned by the API. The following call: `/3.0/addresses/abc(a)123.com` returns ``` { "email": "abc(a)123.com", "original_email": "abc(a)123.com", "registered_on": "2025-03-03T19:18:35.169703", "self_link": "https://0.0.0.0:8001/3.0/addresses/abc@123.com", "http_etag": "\"92c44d0b3b323450f3576e6352acb59b4cc5d6f0a\"" } ``` So I'm not sure how I would be able to update this particular record without a member or user id. So, all that said, I'm looking for information on how to do one of the following. 1. When submitting a user's email to the `accept_these_nonmembers`, is there a way to indicate that the `member.moderation_action` should be a specific value? 2. Retrieve a nonmember record and have it include a member or user id that I can use to explicitly update the `member.moderation_action` value? There may of course be additional approaches that I'm not considering, but that's about the gist of it. Thoughts?

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How to follow up to a question on a Mailing List
by Odhiambo Washington March 4, 2025

March 4, 2025

Hello listers, I always find some members' posts to MM3 lists breaking threads to an extent no one can easily figure out what portion of the discussion they were responding to. In a way, they end up creating a loosely-attached thread of their own. I have a suggestion for you that can help improve this. Please refer to http://www.lemis.com/questions.html#answer/ The guide was written decades ago by a very respectable member of the FOSS community for freebsd-questions ML, but it's a guide that is pretty standard for every ML. Thank you for your understanding and consideration of the advice. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Issues with a DMARC record leading to message being shunted
by Ralf Hildebrandt March 4, 2025

March 4, 2025

Hi! Recently a mail was not being distributed via our MM3 instance; I searched the logs and found: Dec 22 04:54:27 2023 (24) ACCEPT: <1d431542-b386-467b-8bf2-305f19ee7eb4(a)somenet.org> Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) Uncaught runner exception: list index out of range Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 272, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 53, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 125, in process authenticate(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/utilities/retry.py", line 44, in f_retry return f(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 93, in authenticate auth_result = authenticate_message( File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 395, in authenticate_message dmarc_result = check_dmarc(msg, spf_result, dkim_result, dnsfunc=dnsfunc, psddmarc=psddmarc) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 343, in check_dmarc result, result_comment, from_domain, policy = dmarc_per_from(from_domain, spf_result, dkim_result, dnsfunc, psddmarc) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 90, in dmarc_per_from record, orgdomain = receiver_record(from_domain) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 117, in receiver_record retval = lookup_receiver_record(hostSansDmarc, dnsfunc) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 92, in lookup_receiver_record tags = answer_to_dict(str(result)) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 42, in answer_to_dict retval = {t[0].strip().lower(): t[1].strip().lower() for t in rawTags} File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 42, in <dictcomp> retval = {t[0].strip().lower(): t[1].strip().lower() for t in rawTags} IndexError: list index out of range Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) SHUNTING: 1703220868.1418982+b27f5db154375fcd2c418d467172e4aad0d3d57a So the message has been shunted, due to this error. Something with DMARC and tags. So I checked the DMARC record for the sending domain somenet.org. It is "v=DMARC1;p=none;pct=100;rua=mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;ri=3600;fo=1;" which is syntactically incorrect. The extra ";mailto:postmaster@somenet.org" is wrong, I guess the tag "ruf=" is missing here! It should probably read "v=DMARC1;p=none;pct=100;rua=mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;ruf=mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;ri=3600;fo=1;" So, should mm3 somehow "catch" this error somehow? According to the DMARC specs, an syntactically incorrect DMARC record should be ignored / handled as if none were present. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebrandt(a)charite.de https://www.charite.de

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cannot import name 'parse_header' from 'django.http.multipartparser
by Stefan Bauer March 3, 2025

March 3, 2025

Dear Users, i recently tried to upgrade to latest MM3 and followed this[1] steps. However (venv) $ mailman-web migrate fails with: from rest_framework import mixins, views File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/rest_framework/views.py", line 15, in <module> from rest_framework.request import Request File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/rest_framework/request.py", line 17, in <module> from django.http.multipartparser import parse_header ImportError: cannot import name 'parse_header' from 'django.http.multipartparser' (/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/http/multipartparser.py) (venv) mailman@edmmal03$ vi /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/http/multipartparser.py Could this be a broken dependency? However I got no errors during (venv) $ pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web Log here[2] Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you. [1] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html [2] https://nopaste.boris.sh/#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Archive download - unexpected end of file
by Mark March 2, 2025

March 2, 2025

Hi, I have a MM3 list to whose archive I recently added an mbox file of older emails. Viewing/searching the archive (Hyperkitty) is working fine. Downloading archives "for the month" or "last 30 days" delivers the expected ".mbox.gz" file and those are fine. However, when I download the "Entire archive" and attempt to gunzip that ".mbox.gz" file I get the error: " ... unexpected end of file". Or using Gnome desktop's "Extract", I get the error "..truncated gzip input" Any tips on resolving this would be gratefully received. Best, Mark

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Hyperkitty django.request forbidden
by Arpad Horvath March 1, 2025

March 1, 2025

Hi, I moved from mailman to mailman3 in 2021. I hadn't have the time to fix the archiving. I can see the emails older then that in Hyperkitty, but none of the once still there is mailman3. What can be the problem? It's a Debian 12, I use the packages from the repo. In the mailman-web.log I can see this: [pid: 861|app: 0|req: 8277/8277] xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx () {40 vars in 636 bytes} [Wed Feb 26 06:47:31 2025] GET /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=korus%40lists.somewhere.xx = > generated 221 bytes in 33 msecs (HTTP/1.1 403) 7 headers in 211 bytes (1 switches on core 1) ERROR 2025-02-26 06:47:31,705 861 hyperkitty.views.mailman Access to the archiving API endpoint was forbidden from IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx, your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting may be misconfigured WARNING 2025-02-26 06:47:31,705 861 django.request Forbidden: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls WARNING 2025-02-26 06:47:31,705 861 django.request Forbidden: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls I have this line in /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('https://lists.somewhere.xx/hyperkitty', '::1') I have the Archiving settings: Archive policy is Private archives At Active archivers hyperkitty's checkbox is checked Archive rendering mode is Plain text I have these packages installed right now: ii mailman3 3.3.8-2~deb12u2 ii mailman3-full 3.3.8-2~deb12u2 ii mailman3-web 0+20200530-2.1 ii python3-django-mailman3 1.3.9-1 ii python3-mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1-1 ii python3-mailmanclient 3.3.5-1 Thanks, Árpád

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Postorius extremely slow on some of the mailinglists
by Eric Broens March 1, 2025

March 1, 2025

Hi, Postorius became extremely slow recently on some of our mailinglists, but not on all of them. Postorius even times out when opening some of them (https://<hostname>/postorius/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain>/) and shows the message "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." This only happens when I am logged in (as administrator), but not when I am not logged in. It seems to be independent on the number of subscribers on the particular mailing list. Below you'll find an extract from the logs for a case where it timed out, and for a case where the page showed up after a long time. Mainly "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>@<domain>/requests HTTP/1.1" takes a long time. There is nothing unusual going on regarding database queries, and mails are delivered normally. Any idea why this happens and how it can be solved? [05/Feb/2025:19:04:43 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain> HTTP/1.1" 200 378 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [05/Feb/2025:19:04:43 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain>/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 2283 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [05/Feb/2025:19:04:43 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain>/roster/moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [05/Feb/2025:19:04:43 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>@<domain>/config HTTP/1.1" 200 3107 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [05/Feb/2025:19:04:43 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain>/archivers HTTP/1.1" 200 81 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [05/Feb/2025:19:04:43 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain>/archivers HTTP/1.1" 200 81 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [2025-02-05 19:05:14 +0100] [1612] [CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT (pid:1653) [2025-02-05 19:05:14 +0100] [1653] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 1653) [2025-02-05 19:05:15 +0100] [64429] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 64429 [07/Feb/2025:13:42:14 +0100] "POST /3.1/lists/find HTTP/1.1" 200 18226 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [07/Feb/2025:13:42:20 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain> HTTP/1.1" 200 414 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [07/Feb/2025:13:42:20 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain>/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 2337 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [07/Feb/2025:13:42:20 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain>/roster/moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [07/Feb/2025:13:42:20 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>@<domain>/config HTTP/1.1" 200 3232 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [07/Feb/2025:13:42:20 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain>/archivers HTTP/1.1" 200 81 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [07/Feb/2025:13:42:20 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain>/archivers HTTP/1.1" 200 81 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [07/Feb/2025:13:42:46 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>@<domain>/requests HTTP/1.1" 200 520132 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [07/Feb/2025:13:42:46 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>.<domain>/member/<my.email>%40<mydomain> HTTP/1.1" 404 26 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [07/Feb/2025:13:43:15 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>@<domain>/requests HTTP/1.1" 200 520132 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [07/Feb/2025:13:43:15 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/<mailing_list>@<domain>/held?count=50&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" Thanks, Eric

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Postfix + MariaDB + Mailman 3 Core
by Peter Knowles Feb. 28, 2025

Feb. 28, 2025

== ENVIRONMENT == OS: Debian 12 Mailman Core: 3.11.2 Install Mode: venv == QUESTION == I'd like to do a more advanced setup with regards to my MTA setup. *** I have mastered the art of setting up Mailman 3 Core to use MariaDB vs PostgreSQL *** What I'm after is the ability to make use of MariaDB with: transport_maps local_recipient_maps relay_domains In particular, with regards to Mailman 3 Core generated content. So instead of referencing a postmap generated file which MM3 presently generates, but have MM3 add and/or remove those records to/from a MariaDB table. Appreciate any insights on this task.

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Saving settings of non-members does not work
by Torge Riedel Feb. 28, 2025

Feb. 28, 2025

Dears, I just experienced, that saving the settings of a list's non-member does not work with Postorius 1.3.13 I find this in mailman.log when saving the settings of a list's member, you see the PATCH there: [28/Feb/2025:12:55:24 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/alle.lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de HTTP/1.1" 200 428 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:55:24 +0100] "POST /3.1/members/find?list_id=alle.lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de&subscriber=1.vorsitz%40xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de HTTP/1.1" 200 633 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:55:24 +0100] "GET /3.1/members/051e31c733a647e8b88fd6340a2e9e91/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:55:24 +0100] "PATCH /3.1/members/051e31c733a647e8b88fd6340a2e9e91/preferences HTTP/1.1" 204 0 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:55:24 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/alle.lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de HTTP/1.1" 200 428 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:55:24 +0100] "POST /3.1/members/find?list_id=alle.lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de&subscriber=1.vorsitz%40xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de HTTP/1.1" 200 633 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:55:24 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/alle(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:55:24 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/alle(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:55:24 +0100] "GET /3.1/members/051e31c733a647e8b88fd6340a2e9e91/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 184 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" When saving the settings of a list's non-member I find this in mailman.log, but the PATCH is missing: [28/Feb/2025:12:56:52 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/alle.lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de HTTP/1.1" 200 428 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:56:52 +0100] "POST /3.1/members/find?list_id=alle.lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de&subscriber=admin%40xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de HTTP/1.1" 200 1292 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:56:52 +0100] "GET /3.1/members/dc13c0500496485abd7b95001f605aa9/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 212 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:56:52 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/alle.lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de HTTP/1.1" 200 428 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:56:53 +0100] "POST /3.1/members/find?list_id=alle.lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de&subscriber=admin%40xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de HTTP/1.1" 200 1292 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:56:53 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/alle(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:56:53 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/alle(a)lists.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.de/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Feb/2025:12:56:53 +0100] "GET /3.1/members/dc13c0500496485abd7b95001f605aa9/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 212 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Where can I search deeper to find the cause of the issue? Kind regards Torge

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Postorius custom web forms?
by Johannes Rohr Feb. 28, 2025

Feb. 28, 2025

Dear all, I am trying to understand how to replace a web template used by postorius by a custom version. I need to replace /accounts/signup by a version with a captcha (using django-simple-captcha) because my instance is being overrun by spambots. Can anyone point me to the correct instructions? I've tried to get instructions for chatgpt and co, but that's totally hopeless. Most of what they say is made up and doesn't work.. Cheers, thanks so much in advance, Johannes

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Error: ConnectionRefusedError at /accounts/login/
by Kim Sunggun Feb. 28, 2025

Feb. 28, 2025

Hello, When I sign in new id, it has an issue. Could you please guide me to fix it? error: ConnectionRefusedError at /accounts/login/ [Errno 111] Connection refused Request Method: POST Request URL: https://lists.klnpa.org/accounts/login/ Django Version: 4.2.19 Exception Type: ConnectionRefusedError Exception Value: [Errno 111] Connection refused Exception Location: /usr/lib64/python3.9/socket.py, line 844, in create_connection Raised during: allauth.account.views.LoginView Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.9.21 Python Path: ['.', '', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib64/python39.zip', '/usr/lib64/python3.9', '/usr/lib64/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages']

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Easy way to integrate captcha/reduce subscription spam?
by Johannes Rohr Feb. 25, 2025

Feb. 25, 2025

Dear all, my mailman3 instance is flooded with subscription spam, yet I haven't found any canonical method of integrating a captcha in to the subscription form. Is there really none at all? Perplexity.ai says I should install the python package django-simple-captcha but is unclear about the steps needed to actually make the captcha appear. Are there other ways? Is there any method that is robust and survives upgrades? Also, would there be a way of batch-deleting all those thousands of spam registrations that have accumulated (what they have in common is that their email is unconfirmed) Thanks in advance for any suggestion! Johannes

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Hi, Does the mailman community have any tips on accepting cookies?
by TomNewChao Feb. 25, 2025

Feb. 25, 2025

Hi, I want add the tips about accepting cookies in mailman-web that include the postorius(https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius) and kyperkitty (https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty) eg: Can the mailing list community support tips for accepting cookies? Thank you very much ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: image.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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How To Install Mailman 3 on Debian 10 (Complete Guide)
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 25, 2025

Feb. 25, 2025

I have finished my how-to install Mailman 3 on Debian 10 completed to the point where you can use it to get a fully functional Mailman 3 environment up and running. This is a comprehensive guide that walks you through installing EVERYTHING (currently!) that Mailman 3 needs to run. It also makes updating Mailman 3/Postorius/Hyperkitty very easy. I have not added the update directions yet but will very soon. I also plan on adding a section on setting up DKIM and Xapian with Mailman 3. I hope this helps those who wish to get a Mailman 3 server up and running quickly and brings a sense of sanity to the confusion regarding the various documentation out there concerning the installation of Mailman 3/Postorius/Hyperkitty. I intend to add a How-to for Ubuntu 20 at some point. Without further ado: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 I am sure the above guide can use improvements. Feel free to contact me off-list to point out mistakes/improvements, etc. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Speed up importing mailman2 lists
by t.maintz＠fz-juelich.de Feb. 24, 2025

Feb. 24, 2025

We are currently planning to migrate from mailman2 to mailman3 as a container, have around 1500 lists and would like to complete the migration ideally in a few hours. We would like to switch off mailman2 to have a defined state of the lists and import them to mailman3. The import of all lists via script takes about 3 days. Parallelizing the imports does not work due to lockings in the database. However, we cannot accept a downtime of 3 days. Does anyone have tips on how we can speed up the procedure or are there best practices for larger environments? Thanks and best regards, Thomas

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clean up spambot generated accounts
by Johannes Rohr Feb. 23, 2025

Feb. 23, 2025

Dear all, I'm trying to find a way to clean up hundreds of spambot generated accounts on my system. I was pointed to this script that should be capable of doing the task: https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/clean_users.py However, it seems outdated. First, the path to the interpreter is not what I find on my mailman3 installation. It says: #! /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python However, the python command is located in /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python instead, no "mm" After fixing this, the script still throws an error: (venv) mailman@ida:~$ clean_users.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/clean_users.py", line 55, in <module> django.setup() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 19, in setup configure_logging(settings.LOGGING_CONFIG, settings.LOGGING) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 102, in __getattr__ self._setup(name) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 89, in _setup self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 217, in __init__ mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1050, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1027, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1004, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings' Can somebody explain to me, why this module is not found and what I can do to fix it, if anything? Thanks a lot in advance! Johannes

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Enforcing SSO and subscription options
by dlb-ml＠anl.gov Feb. 21, 2025

Feb. 21, 2025

Contrary to the messages I found in the archive, rather trying to delete or remove the social login portion of the sign in page, I'm looking to see if there's any way to isolate the third-party login section and prevent local account sign in and sign up. This way, we can ensure that the people within our organization are using a stronger auth method that prioritizes MFA, rather than just username/password. To do this, our plan is to block signups using "ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter'" and to remove the portions of the login template such that the username/password/forgot password fields are removed, leaving just the button to our SSO instance. I'm anticipating that this should be sufficient to block username/password sign ins, and is resistant to page manipulation due to CSRF tokens, but I wanted to ask to see if there was a better way, like an official configuration (which I have not found yet). I did see that there is the SOCALACCOUNT_ONLY option, as provided by allauth (https://docs.allauth.org/en/latest/socialaccount/configuration.html) but that broke any attempt to display the sign in page, and I'm assuming is not supported with the current version of MM3. Is my plan to modify the templates viable? Additionally, because external users would not have access to their own dashboards within the web UI, and since we are planning on disabling anonymous subscriptions with "SHOW_ANONYMOUS_SUBSCRIBE_FORM=False", the only two viable ways to subscribe to a list for them would be: 1) Send a request directly to the list owner or a superadmin to subscribe/unsubscribe the address 2) Allow email commands to subcribe/unsubscribe users (i.e. $LISTNAME-join@$DOMAIN) Given the discussions on disabling the anonymous subscription form, are the email commands a less spam-susceptible solution or are they just as vulnerable as the form? Thanks

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Hyperkitty performance problem
by Tobias Diekershoff Feb. 20, 2025

Feb. 20, 2025

Hey all, last week we caught some AI bots causing high LOAD on our mailman3 servers archive, that we blocked with nginx rules. I'm not sure if it is related to this incident, but we noticed this when analyzing the log files at the time. In the mailman.log hyperkitty is listed 10k times and more to archive a single mail over the time of 2h, seemingly all with the same process ID > (1186) HyperKitty archived message [...] The mailman3-web.log has matching log entries that the mail was archived > hyperkitty.views.mailman Archived message every 0.5 seconds. In the web interface to the archive, the mail is only listed once though. My suspicion is, that these archiving processes are now overloading the system, preventing a timely catching up work of the queued messages. I could not find anything in the Mailman3 nor Hyperkitty documentation to better distribute the system resources to the Mailman runner or prevent Hyperkitty to restart archiving a mail over and over again. Any hint about where to look for the reason of this is highly appreciated. Best, Tobias -- Tobias Diekershoff >>> System Hacker Free Software Foundation Europe Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 10119 Berlin, Germany | t +49-30-27595290 Registered at Amtsgericht Hamburg, VR 17030 | fsfe.org/support OpenPGP-Key ID ... 0x25FE376FF17694A1 Fingerprint ...... 23EE F484 FDF8 291C BA09 A406 25FE 376F F176 94A1

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Mailman Core: REST API: Member Subscription Invitation
by Peter Knowles Feb. 20, 2025

Feb. 20, 2025

Product: Mailman Core Version: 3.3.10 When I post an "invite" to the REST API: http://localhost:8001/3.1/members Params: list_id = list.domain.tld subscriber = some(a)email.address display_name = Some Name invitation = true Should Mailman Core be attempting to send an "invitation" email to the "subscriber" address, or is this the job of the "client" calling the API? I understand the API does return "token", and "token_owner" on success, which I assume the "token" would be used for a subsequent "verification" process. I'm developing my own "frontend" for "subscribers", "moderators", "list admins", and "system admins" respectively. Sort of working through understanding what Core does and does not do itself.

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REST API: potential bug
by Peter Knowles Feb. 16, 2025

Feb. 16, 2025

I'm starting to develop against the REST API and found what might be a bug in the validation process. Sending a POST request with an "empty" payload returns 201 (created): http://localhost:8001/3.1/domains Since "mail_host" should be required at minimum to create a domain, this seems like there may be a bug with the REST API. The workaround for the moment is to add validation at the application layer, but the API should really be returning a 4xx code and error respectively.

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install v3.3.11
by Jose Bernal Feb. 14, 2025

Feb. 14, 2025

I'd like to install Mailman v3.3.11. Are there instructions for installing from pip? If not, is there an alternate way to install this latest version? When executing: pip install mailman==3.3.11 I get: ERROR: No matching distribution found for mailman==3.3.11 Thank you,

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Re: Moderation action "None" is misleading
by Stephen J. Turnbull Feb. 13, 2025

Feb. 13, 2025

Adding mailman-users(a)mailman3.org. Technical suggestions should go to distro channels or to Mailman's issue tracker: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1176. Further discussion of technical details is best done there. Thomas Krichel writes: > Stephen J. Turnbull writes > > Debian has traditionally been quite slow to update Mailman, > > And now it has the addition issue that Debian testing python > standard it 3.13, so the nntplib is no longer supported. > Thus the current Mailman debian testing appears broken. That's Debian's problem, as we currently don't support Python 3.13, although of course we intend to. This is the only issue that came up in a quick search of Mailman's issue tracker for Python 3.13 (but I did not check the other subprojects such as Postorius). I conclude that not a lot of work has been done on supporting Python 3.13 (rather than the optimistic "there's nothing to be done"). From Mailman's point of view, users have two excellent options for the forseeable future: (1) don't gateway list <-> newsgroups (2) install Mailman into a Python 3.9--3.12 virtual environment. I'm sympathetic to the needs of the Debian developers, and at this point for 99% of software it's perfectly reasonable to aim to use 3.13 in the next Debian release. Unfortunately for Mailman users on Debian hosts that's not high on our list of priorities since we recommend a virtual environment installation in any case. At present there seem to be three ways forward for Debian packaging: 1. Remove NNTP support. (In honor of larsi, I'd rather not.) 2. Add nntplib.py from the Python 3.12 nntplib, as a stopgap until option 3 can be implemented. I can't speak for other developers but we might be willing to add it as a contrib module, especially if that might make life easier for distro packagers. It's suboptimal though since that absolutely has to be considered techical debt that will need to be paid someday. 3. Port Mailman to pynntp (that may need to be Debian packaged, too), which has seen a revival of activity and two feature releases since 2023. My inclination as a Mailman core developer is not to participate actively in development of NNTP support in Mailman for Python 3.13+ unless we see an outpouring of support from site admins. However, I would be happy to answer questions and work on Mailman-side issues that are blocking or inconvenient for the NNTP work. Mark and Abhilash would undoubtedly contribute as well, on a time-available basis. > I certainly would love to build an alternative Mailman Debian > package that would be more up-to-date, but I don't want > to do it on my own. Debian and Python are compatible free software; just take the existing package metadata, in a recent Mailman (presumably the most recent release) drop in the most recent nntplib, and change all the import statements. mailman/src/mailman/mta/nntplib.py seems like a plausible location. IWBNI you could keep all Mailmanisms out of nntplib (because of the GPL) so any bugfixes or improvements could be available to the Python community. I think you could probably be up and running VERY quickly with that approach. Of course it wouldn't just slot into the next iteration of Debian because they have stringent QA (or maybe that could go into unstable?). I'm pretty sure it would be useful right away to a whole lot of people who are willing to use a PPA. Regards, Steve

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Login confusion
by Markus Grandpré Feb. 13, 2025

Feb. 13, 2025

Dear list, We've encountered an issue with Postorius after migrating from Mailman 2.1. It appears that Postorius is treating email addresses with differing capitalization as distinct user accounts. For example, <markus.grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de> and <Markus.Grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de> are being recognized as separate identities. This is causing significant confusion. Users registered with one capitalization pattern are not seeing the list subscriptions and settings that were previously associated with their account (imported from Mailman v2.1) which used a different capitalization. Is there a known configuration option or method within Postorius (or Mailman 3 itself) to normalize or unify account identification, effectively treating email addresses as case-insensitive for account matching? We need a solution that ensures users see their correct list memberships regardless of the capitalization they use when logging in or that was used during the original Mailman 2.1 import. Thank you in advance Markus -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated
by Andreas Vetter Feb. 11, 2025

Feb. 11, 2025

Hello, I have a venv installation of: mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web I just did a pip install -U --upgrade-strategy eager When running mailman-web runjobs -l I get the following Warning: System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: ?: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated, use: settings.ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} I guess this is from allauth (version django-allauth-65.4.1). Changing ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD to ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS in /etc/mailman3/settings.py is not enough. One has to edit venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

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Pck files stuck in out queue
by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis Feb. 10, 2025

Feb. 10, 2025

Running Mailman 3.3.10 I have 11x pck files stuck in my out queue. There tends to always be a .bak file as well. If I run ‘ls -l’, the files are continually updated and rotated through, just as fast as I can look. The out runner is consuming copious CPU time. I was hoping this would help: [logging.runner] level: DEBUG But, if so, I don’t see the logs anywhere. I believe they’re all for one list. When I use ‘strings’ on one to get a hint of what’s inside, I see the list members at the bottom (recipients). One of them consistently has ‘!’ before their email address. Not sure if that’s a clue. Just no other reason to suspect that, though. Ideas on where/how to track down the status of these files and fix whatever’s broken? Thank you Tom Lieuallen Oregon State University

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How to limit numbers of outgoing emails per connection
by Alain D D Williams Feb. 10, 2025

Feb. 10, 2025

Exim tells me "no immediate delivery: more than 30 messages received in one connection" The emails then sit in the exim queue until a queue runner kicks in - which happens once every 30 minutes. The result is considerable delays which makes list email conversations bouncy. Question: how do I tell MM3 to send no more than 30 emails in one connection to exim (via SMTP to localhost port 25) ? If that is not possible, how do I find the number that MM3 batches outgoing emails so that I can configure exim to match (as I did with MM2) ? I see documentation pages like the following. They are useless to me, incomprehensible without a lot of learning. I program in several languages but only a little Python. What I am looking for is a setting in a config file. https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/runners/do… -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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Filter question
by Chris Feb. 9, 2025

Feb. 9, 2025

List has "filter content" set. Filter Mime-Type [] Filter Extensions exe bat cmd com pif scr vbs cpl Accept Mime Media Types multipart message/rfc822 text/plain text/html application/pdf application/nappdf application/x-pdf application/rtf application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet application/vnd.ms-excel application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document application/msword Allow Extensions .zip .7z Reduce Alternative No Convert to Plain-Text No Now I'm sending an Message from outlook (html) with Inline Images. Content Filter off: Works fine Conent Filter On,: All except the image ist fine. The image gets lost and only a placeholder is shown <img data-cid="image001.png(a)01D65210.566F56E0" height="51" id="Grafik_x0020_1" src="../../attachment/view/tmai1738975737149948386/aW1hZ2UwMDEucG5nQDAxRDY1MjEwLjU2NkY1NkUw;jsessionid=03FDBB0F16AFB10F7439822AB2C59450-n4.bap20a" style="width: 3.3437in;height: 0.5312in;" width="321"> Even if MimeTypes filter is [] signature (p7s) gets filtered. Any hint? TIA Chris

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User with abo to list can not set to another moderation flag
by Chris Feb. 8, 2025

Feb. 8, 2025

Hi again, I've one weird problem. I've some lists and a user which is a moderator on both lists. Steps to reproduce Postorius -> Users -> search for the user to change -> manage Both Lists are shown Moderarion Flag on a newer List was changed from standard to accept -> On the older list I've tried from Standard to Accept -> click on the button to accept changes result in reverting to "standard" (the setting which I want to change). Any hints on that? (can't find any difference between those lists except name und descriptions. )

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How to add new Domain?
by c.benner＠apd-it.eu Feb. 7, 2025

Feb. 7, 2025

Hello, i'm really new to mailman3 and I've been using mm2.1 couple of years. It's really hardto understand documentation. But I'll do one in german language next time. I've got it installed ob Debian12 and it's working now. It takes a little more time to understand all settings and also the difference between postorius and django and what is when used for. But what I do not understand 'til now is how to add a new domain. My running config has one domain (e.g.) testdomain1.org and everything is working fine. The Domain has a virtualhost which listens on *:443 (with LE cert) Postfix works like a charm. The interface of the machine is bound to one IP Address public but for example here written as: 192.168.200.15 Id like to add a new Domain. My first step would be to add another IP Address to the interface: (e.g.) 192.168.200.16 Then I'll change the virtual host settings in apache conf from first domain which is actually listeing to *:443 to 192.168.200.15:443 And add a second site with 192.168.200.16:443 So the "physical" part is done Is that right 'til now? After that I'll go to the admin page xxxx/mailman3/admin which brings django admin page up. On that page I'll add "websites" and add testdomain2.net Last step is adding "mail domain" site: testdomain2.net mail domain: testdomain2.net After that I can add lists to that domain and mails to any list @testdomain2,net should be routed right? Maybe I'm to old (56yrs) but I've read a lot of documentation and everything was clear and understandable. It was never a question of linux or windows OS but on who'S writing the doc. I can't find any doc about the web part? What about Users having no acces to the shell but the Web-Frontend? Some pictures and a "How to" and "what if" would be great! But it's alos possible that I'm not finding it and it's somewhere out there. Thanks in advance.

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Error while mass operation, no progress display while mass operation is running
by Markus Grandpré Feb. 7, 2025

Feb. 7, 2025

Dear List, At the University of Konstanz we have mailing list administrators who frequently add and remove up to 10000 (and sometimes more) list members. I have therefore tested the “Mass subscription” and “Mass removal” operations and found that both the “Remove ALL members” operation and the “Mass subscription” operation report an internal server error on the website, but continue to run in the background until all new members have been successfully added or deleted. Unfortunately, I have not found any error message in the log files. I also tested that mass operations “Remove listed users” and “Remove Selected” ran successfully and without any errors. Regardless of whether a mass operation process runs without errors or continues to run despite an error, I find it hard that Postorius does not display the progress of such a mass operation in order to monitor the process, as mass operations with more than 1000 members are very time-consuming. Perhaps this could be changed in a future version of Postorius? Best Markus -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Which folder should I share between pods with kubernetees persistentVolumeClaim ?
by antoine.depoisier＠ikmail.com Feb. 7, 2025

Feb. 7, 2025

I use mailman with kubernetees, and I have four pods. I currently use persistentVolumeClaim for two folders in the mailman configuration "cache" and "messages". I share these folders, as mailman needs to be consistent for these two folders, but I'm wondering if I should share other folders as well, like locks and such. There are all the folders in mailman archives cache data etc lists locks logs master.pid messages queue templates I ask this question because I often have a problem when creating a mailing list. I think I have a problem with the locks, but I'm not sure if the problem is due to the fact that the locks folder is not shared. If you want more details, here's the trace I sometimes get, when someone tries to create a mailing list: File "falcon/app.py", line 365, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 322, in on_post mlist = create_list(**validator(request)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/lifecycle.py", line 102, in create_list call_name(config.mta.incoming).create(mlist) File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 96, in create self.regenerate() File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 106, in regenerate with Lock(lock_file): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 467, in __exit__ self.unlock() File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 417, in unlock raise NotLockedError('Already unlocked') flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Already unlocked When I check the lock folder, I have these two files, and I'm wondering if I should delete these two files : -rw-rw---- 2 mailman nogroup 97 Feb 6 2025 master.lck -rw-rw---- 2 mailman nogroup 97 Feb 6 2025 master.lck|mailman-core-deployment-5f59557b66-bkkf4|16|4268829230172994873 Do you have any answer for me ?

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Configuring ARC with multiple domains in Mailman3
by Lance A. Brown Feb. 6, 2025

Feb. 6, 2025

I'm working on setting up MailMan 3 on an Ubuntu 24.04 LTS server. I've got everything running and working with docker-mailman. Now I'm looking at configuring ARC and am a bit lost. How is ARC configured in a mailman3 with multiple domains? Do I set it up to use the hostname of the server Mailman is running on? Thanks for any assistance, --[Lance]

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One-click unsubscribe?
by Jered Floyd Feb. 5, 2025

Feb. 5, 2025

I'm having a lot of problems with GMail delivery due to lack of "one-click unsubscribe" -- however that is quantified, which is not clear. In particular, there is an issue with the fact that Google ignores dots in email addresses. So I have many (MANY!) subscribers who try to use the List-Unsubscribe header target, but because they are subscribed as "idiotsubscriber(a)gmail.com" rather than "idiot.subscriber(a)gmail.com" (which they have since changed their sender to) they get a reject that they are not subscribed. These people are also far too unobservant to read the footer of every message that reads "You are subscribed as idiotsubscriber(a)gmail.com". Is there any way to provide personalized List-Unsubscribe header links, or have Mailman ignore dots in gmail.com addresses... or... anything? I'm finding reported spam percentages in the Google Postmaster Dashboard exceeding 0.1%, which causes massive delivery blocking to GMail-based subscribers. While I would gladly ban everyone who uses gmail, that sadly accounts for about half of the Internet today and would be incredibly unproductive. Thanks, --Jered

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Moderation action "None" is misleading
by Markus Grandpré Feb. 5, 2025

Feb. 5, 2025

Dear List, I find the use of the term 'None' (or 'Kein' in the German translation; see attachments) in the 'Moderation action' column of the member list misleading, as the term suggests that no moderation action is applied to the respective member. However, this is not necessarily the case. If you check a member’s "Administration options / Moderation" setting, a moderation action, such as "Moderation" or "List default", may be in effect. I suggest that the 'Moderation action' column should display the currently set value of the 'Administration options / Moderation' setting for each member. Since some of our mailing lists frequently add and remove thousands of members, manually adjusting this setting for each member would not be practical. Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342 ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: mm3_memberlist_de.png Content-Type: image/png Name: mm3_memberlist_en.png

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Mailman shutting down Hyperkitty: Request too large
by Arte Chambers Feb. 2, 2025

Feb. 2, 2025

Hello I need help troubleshooting a problem with MM. The service is stopping and throwing this error in the mailman log "Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: 413 Request Entity Too Large" I'm not sure what my next steps should be to troubleshoot this issue. System CTL has this message and i'm not sure if it's relevant to the issue. ``` >sudo systemctl status mailman3.service systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Can't open PID file /opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory ``` The MM Service will run for a while then shuts down. /mailman.log ``` Jan 30 05:22:20 2025 (1547) HyperKitty failure on https://list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/archives/api/mailman/archive: <html> <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head> <body> <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.24.0 (Ubuntu)</center> </body> </html> (413) Jan 30 05:22:20 2025 (1547) Could not archive the message with id < CAPesOD3EWaFzfVZAbUzFm3Vk3Xnqcf9KodVic6agaT27Kmhy0w(a)mail.gmail.com> Jan 30 05:22:20 2025 (1547) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list lcg-board-private.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message < CAPesOD3EWaFzfVZAbUzFm3Vk3Xnqcf9KodVic6agaT27Kmhy0w(a)mail.gmail.com>) Jan 30 05:22:20 2025 (1547) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: <html> <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head> <body> <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.24.0 (Ubuntu)</center> </body> </html> Jan 30 05:22:20 2025 (1547) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 158, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 228, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: <html> <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head> <body> <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.24.0 (Ubuntu)</center> </body> </html> Jan 30 05:22:21 2025 (1547) HyperKitty archived message <CAPesOD25frujqYsAXU3kk8MUOY=h3ZV4cgzUXSi9L0c3K2W0NQ(a)mail.gmail.com> to https://list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/archives/list/testing@list.loui… [30/Jan/2025:05:22:43 +0000] "GET /3.1/users/lcgcoop(a)gmail.com HTTP/1.1" 200 428 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:22:43 +0000] "GET /3.1/users/a6af988d603c49c9ac61a3a41562d132/addresses HTTP/1.1" 200 927 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:22:43 +0000] "POST /3.1/members/find HTTP/1.1" 200 3407 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:22:43 +0000] "POST /3.1/members/find HTTP/1.1" 200 4705 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:22:43 +0000] "GET /3.1/addresses/lcgcoop(a)gmail.com HTTP/1.1" 200 401 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:22:43 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com HTTP/1.1" 200 482 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:22:43 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 763 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:22:44 +0000] "GET /3.1/addresses/lcgcoop(a)gmail.com HTTP/1.1" 200 401 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:23:53 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com HTTP/1.1" 200 482 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:23:53 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com HTTP/1.1" 200 482 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:23:53 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:23:53 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [30/Jan/2025:05:24:15 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com HTTP/1.1" 200 482 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Jan 30 05:42:54 2025 (1550) ACCEPT: <008401db72ce$cb6d50d0$6247f270$@ iglou.com> Jan 30 05:42:55 2025 (1547) HyperKitty failure on https://list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/archives/api/mailman/archive: <html> <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head> <body> <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.24.0 (Ubuntu)</center> </body> </html> (413) Jan 30 05:42:55 2025 (1547) Could not archive the message with id < CAPesOD3EWaFzfVZAbUzFm3Vk3Xnqcf9KodVic6agaT27Kmhy0w(a)mail.gmail.com> Jan 30 05:42:55 2025 (1547) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list lcg-board-private.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message < CAPesOD3EWaFzfVZAbUzFm3Vk3Xnqcf9KodVic6agaT27Kmhy0w(a)mail.gmail.com>) Jan 30 05:42:55 2025 (1547) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: <html> <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head> <body> <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.24.0 (Ubuntu)</center> </body> </html> Jan 30 05:42:55 2025 (1547) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 158, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 228, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: <html> <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head> <body> <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx/1.24.0 (Ubuntu)</center> </body> </html> Jan 30 05:42:57 2025 (1547) HyperKitty archived message <008401db72ce$cb6d50d0$6247f270$(a)iglou.com> to https://list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/archives/list/lcg-board-private… [2025-01-30 05:46:02 +0000] [1554] [ERROR] Worker (pid:1586) was sent SIGKILL! Perhaps out of memory? [2025-01-30 05:46:02 +0000] [2227] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 2227 Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1553) pipeline runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1553) pipeline runner exiting. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1551) lmtp runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1551) lmtp runner exiting. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1558) digest runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1558) digest runner exiting. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1557) virgin runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1557) virgin runner exiting. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1556) task runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1556) task runner exiting. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1541) Master watcher caught SIGTERM. Exiting. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1555) retry runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1555) retry runner exiting. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1552) out runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1552) out runner exiting. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1549) command runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1549) command runner exiting. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1548) bounces runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1548) bounces runner exiting. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1547) archive runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1547) archive runner exiting. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1550) in runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 30 05:46:09 2025 (1550) in runner exiting. [2025-01-30 05:46:09 +0000] [1554] [INFO] Handling signal: term [2025-01-30 05:46:09 +0000] [2227] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 2227) [2025-01-30 05:46:09 +0000] [1585] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 1585) Jan 30 05:46:10 2025 (1541) Master watcher caught SIGTERM. Exiting. [2025-01-30 05:46:10 +0000] [1554] [ERROR] Worker (pid:1585) was sent SIGKILL! Perhaps out of memory? [2025-01-30 05:46:10 +0000] [1554] [ERROR] Worker (pid:2227) was sent SIGTERM! [2025-01-30 05:46:10 +0000] [1554] [INFO] Shutting down: Master Jan 30 05:46:11 2025 (1541) Master stopped ``` Thank you, Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey 502-408-6922

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The paradox of VERP probe messages
by Jeremy Stanley Feb. 2, 2025

Feb. 2, 2025

tl;dr: Is there a way to have VERP probe messages not include copies of the bounce message that triggered them? Longer form... Some months ago I turned on bounce processing for a fairly large list with a long history, because I could see from the MTA logs that there were easily hundreds of old subscribers whose addresses had become defunct and this seemed like a great way to clean that up and make the server more conscientious at not repeatedly trying to deliver messages to sites that were just going to reject them. This worked really well. Until legitimate subscribers also started to get removed, that is, due primarily to false positives from overzealous spam filters. I had previously read about MM3's VERP probe message feature, which seemed to solve the main reason I had kept bounce processing disabled in the MM2 days, and thought it was on by default but clearly it wasn't. So I found the necessary config option and switched that on. This worked really well. Until legitimate subscribers started to get removed again, that is, due primarily to false positives from overzealous spam filters. See, I realized that the VERP probes were helpfully including copies of the most recent bounce for that user, and those NDRs quite often helpfully included their own copies of the messages which had been bounced. So if a subscriber's MTA was rejecting a message because the content looked like spam, then there was a good chance it would also reject the VERP probe message because it included the same content which had caused the earlier rejection. The VERP probe feature was essentially defeating its own purpose as a neutral confirmation that the subscriber hadn't been rejecting messages due to their content. This behavior raises a more significant concern as well. The MTA on the Mailman server in this case (Exim if it matters) wants to perform batch deliveries when there are multiple subscribers who all share the same remote MTAs. If multiples of those reject a list post, then the NDR back to Mailman aggregates those multiple rejections into a single message. If that incident triggers a VERP probe, the bulk NDR enumerating the addresses of all the subscribers who were rejected gets forwarded along as part of the VERP probe, disclosing a potentially sensitive litany of random subscriber addresses to other subscribers within that batch. I don't know whether this is a misconfiguration, or an unintended consequence of the intersection of Mailman and MTA features. While I understand that the inclusion of a bounce sample within a VERP probe may be a way to take some workload off list admins in that users can possibly see a message/rejection to explain the reason for the probe, the downsides of that choice make the feature unfortunately unusable for some lists that could otherwise have benefited from it. Am I possibly missing an existing switch that could make VERP probe messages *not* include copies of the bounces that triggered them? This is in some ways similar to the problems I've noticed with message hold notifications to moderators including copies of the held messages, since these are (at least in the case of the lists I manage) often spam, so has a tendency to cause the mail providers for the list moderators to start considering the mailing list server a spam source. If there were a switch to make message hold notifications to moderators *not* include copies of the messages themselves, I'd start allowing moderator notifications again. Suggestions welcome! Also willing to try to submit patches to enable some of these solutions if they don't already exist. And thanks to anyone who read this far! -- Jeremy Stanley

2 4

Outgoing runner lockup? + "slice inspector" tool
by Stephen J. Turnbull Feb. 1, 2025

Feb. 1, 2025

Hi, I'm advising a user on a system which experiences occasional lockups in an outgoing runner. The runner contacts a remote smarthost, and occasionally locks up with the smtp connection still open according to "lsof -i :25". This state seems to be permanent: the backlog for that slice starts to grow without bound, for at least an hour. When this was happening once a month, they would just restart Mailman core, and the backlog would clear in minutes. But recently it's been happening daily which is distracting their staff, and worries me. Another thing that is strange about this site is that it should be possible to hit that runner with a SIGUSR1 and restart it. This works for me, but on that system the stuck runner exits, but does not restart. Since normally it only happens to one runner of several, I wanted to identify the runner and process. I attach the tool I developed, for anyone who might have configured multiple runners and is interested to see the distribution across runners. Has anybody seen an outgoing runner lock up with an open smtp session? Any ideas on why? My analysis so far: - Because a restart works every time, I'm pretty sure it doesn't have anything to do with message content. - I believe both the Mailman host and the outgoing smarthost are Linodes, in the same datacenter. The problematic Mailman system is Mailman 3.3.6, Python 3.10 on Ubuntu 16.xx LTS. I believe the smarthost is a more recent Ubuntu LTS, probably running Postfix 3.7 as the MTA. (Yes, they have sufficiently paranoid security and QA teams. ;-) - We're using smtplib, which as far as I can tell basically has a 60s timeout for each command. Thus you'd think it would time out. I guess it could be inflooping on timeout, retry, timeout, retry, but I don't know how to check that. Maybe ss(8) will serve? - My system where SIGUSR1 works as documented is Python 3.11.2 on a Digital Ocean droplet with Debian 12.9, Linux 6.1.0. - I haven't tried to reproduce the Python 3.10 + Mailman 3.3.6 configuration and test SIGUSR1 in that configuration yet. Seems unlikely, waiting for the proverbial "round tuit". - It has occurred to us to use the local Postfix as the relay MTA. I'm waiting on a report whether that alleviates the problem. Even if so, I want to fix the underlying defect if possible. Any ideas would be welcome, including general debugging advice. Here's the promised slice_inspector tool. (Patches and suggestions welcome, though I don't promise to implement any time soon.) The tool imports some files from Mailman core, click, and psutil (not psutils!) I believe the latter modules are required by Mailman, so you should be able to run it as is under the 'mailman' user (or perhaps 'list' on Debian) in the environment Mailman itself uses. It defaults to assuming that mailman.cfg is /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. You'll probably need to fix the shebang if you want to chmod +x. The '--help' should be pretty self-explanatory. Steve

2 1

messages with attachments, without text discarded silently
by Schulz Feb. 1, 2025

Feb. 1, 2025

Using the current mailman version, I can reproduce the following: - send a text-formatted email with attachment but without text body to a list. - the msg will be received by mailman - the msg shows up in shunt, the log shows: ile "/usr/lib/python3.12/email/message.py", line 343, in set_payload payload = payload.encode(charset.output_charset, 'surrogateescape') ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 10-17: ordinal not in range(128) an attempt to unpickle the file leads to the same error. I know it's uncommon to send emails without txt but with attachments - but it may happen; at least we would welcome an error message.

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Occasionally "The content of this message was lost."
by Frank Richter Jan. 30, 2025

Jan. 30, 2025

Hello, occasionally we face the problem "The content of this message was lost." when handling a message on hold. We use the mailman3 packages on Debian 12: 3.3.8-2~deb12u2 GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Nov 30 2024, 21:22:50) [GCC 12.2.0] with postgresql, exim and Apache httpd on the same machine. To get closer to this problem we made 2 changes: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/moderator.py def _lost_message(mlist, subject, sender, message_id): # Create a substitute for a message not found in the message store. text = _("""\ The content of this message was lost. It was probably cross-posted to multiple lists and previously handled on another list. """) + # Don’t send an empty message to all members in case this event occurs. + # raise an exception instead: + raise Exception("_lost_message",subject, sender, message_id) /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/task.py def _evict_pendings(self): … messages = getUtility(IMessageStore) for msg in messages.messages: # msg can be None if file is already removed. if msg is not None: mid = msg.get('message-id') if mid not in mids: messages.delete_message(mid) # 2024-12-11 fri: Debug inserted + tlog.debug('Task runner deleted message %s', mid) count += 1 tlog.info('Task runner deleted %d orphaned messages', count) So let’s see what happens: A message sent to one list is set on hold: exim mainlog: 2025-01-28 14:10:23 1tclMF-00H6cW-1s <= user(a)s2024.tu-chemnitz.de H=vittal.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (mail.tu-chemnitz.de) [2001:638:911:b01:134:109:133:32] P=esmtps X=TLS1.3:ECDHE_SECP256R1__RSA_PSS_RSAE_SHA256__AES_256_GCM:256 CV=no K S=9058 id=2f972b-6798d700-9f-5b841500@14907502 2025-01-28 14:10:23 1tclMF-00H6cW-1s => fsr-hsw(a)lists.tu-chemnitz.de R=lists_mailman T=mailman3_transport H=localhost [::1] C="250 Ok" 2025-01-28 14:10:23 1tclMF-00H6cW-1s Completed vette.log Jan 28 14:10:24 2025 (2602) HOLD: fsr-hsw(a)lists.tu-chemnitz.de post from user(a)s2024.tu-chemnitz.de held, message-id=<2f972b-6798d700-9f-5b841500@14907502>: The message is not from a list member A task runner deleted the message 5 seconds later: task.log Jan 28 14:10:29 2025 (2609) Task runner deleted message <2f972b-6798d700-9f-5b841500@14907502> Jan 28 14:10:29 2025 (2609) Task runner deleted 1 orphaned messages Later an owner/moderator want to do a moderation action: mailman.log: 2025-01-28 17:40:54 [FALCON] [ERROR] POST /3.1/lists/fsr-hsw(a)lists.tu-chemnitz.de/held/7544 => Traceback (most recent call last): File "falcon/app.py", line 365, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 155, in on_post handle_message(self._mlist, request_id, **arguments) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/moderator.py", line 144, in handle_message msg = _lost_message(mlist, subject, sender, message_id) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/moderator.py", line 104, in _lost_message raise Exception("_lost_message",subject, sender, message_id) Exception: ('_lost_message', 'Re: [Fsr-hsw] ...', 'user(a)s2024.tu-chemnitz.de', '<2f972b-6798d700-9f-5b841500@14907502>') Do you have any suggestions what we can do to find the reason, why the task runner deletes the message? Or any other hints … Thanks and kind regards Frank -- Frank Richter, Chemnitz University of Technology, Germany

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No recent activity discussions and activity overview shown. Only a spinning wheel.
by Freerk Bosscha Jan. 30, 2025

Jan. 30, 2025

I have tried to find an equal issue, but could not find it. If so, sorry for the doubling... I have recently setup a fresh mailman3 installation on my debian12 box. It works fine. The only thing which is not working is in the archive overview I see a spinning wheel. The participants and number of discussions is increasing and the archive files are getting the archived messages. mailman -info shows: GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Nov 30 2024, 21:22:50) [GCC 12.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: mysql+pymysql://.....:....@localhost/mailman3?charset=utf8mb4&use_unicode=1 devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:....... mailman-web qinfo shows: -- Default 1.3.9 on ORM default -- Clusters 0 Workers 0 Restarts 0 Queued 0 Successes 100 Failures 0 Schedules 0 Tasks/day 14.00 Avg time 0.1756 Webserver: apache2/2.4.64 It looks like a AJAX problem, but not sure about that. Any help would be appriciated. Freerk What is missing

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Adding Mass Subscribe custom template error
by Arte Chambers Jan. 29, 2025

Jan. 29, 2025

I am trying to test some different templates however after adding a new template I get an error when adding new list members. The member is added to the list however the welcome message isn't sent to the user. I'm getting the following error when using mass subscription on a testing list with a custom template loaded for [list:user:notice:welcome] ``` HTTP Error 400: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) ``` The template has the text "Testing Template" I'm not sure why it's timing out but when I remove the custom template it works as expected. The user is added to the list however doesn't get the custom welcome message. mailman.log: ``` [28/Jan/2025:20:22:47 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com HTTP/1.1" 200 482 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Jan 28 20:22:52 2025 (1977989) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 536, in _make_request response = conn.getresponse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 507, in getresponse httplib_response = super().getresponse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/http/client.py", line 1428, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.12/http/client.py", line 331, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/http/client.py", line 292, in _read_status line = str(self.fp.readline(_MAXLINE + 1), "iso-8859-1") ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/socket.py", line 707, in readinto return self._sock.recv_into(b) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ TimeoutError: timed out The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 667, in send resp = conn.urlopen( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 843, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 474, in increment raise reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/util/util.py", line 39, in reraise raise value File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 789, in urlopen response = self._make_request( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 538, in _make_request self._raise_timeout(err=e, url=url, timeout_value=read_timeout) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 369, in _raise_timeout raise ReadTimeoutError( urllib3.exceptions.ReadTimeoutError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() ^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 362, in _step_do_subscription self.member = self.mlist.subscribe( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 540, in subscribe notify(SubscriptionEvent( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/zope/event/__init__.py", line 33, in notify subscriber(event) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/membership.py", line 183, in handle_SubscriptionEvent send_welcome_message(mlist, member, member.preferred_language) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/notifications.py", line 77, in send_welcome_message welcome_message = wrap(getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 192, in get contents = getUtility(ITemplateManager).get( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 114, in get contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 39, in get response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 73, in get return request("get", url, params=params, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 59, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 589, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 703, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 713, in send raise ReadTimeout(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) Jan 28 20:22:52 2025 (1977989) HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 536, in _make_request response = conn.getresponse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 507, in getresponse httplib_response = super().getresponse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/http/client.py", line 1428, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.12/http/client.py", line 331, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/http/client.py", line 292, in _read_status line = str(self.fp.readline(_MAXLINE + 1), "iso-8859-1") ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/socket.py", line 707, in readinto return self._sock.recv_into(b) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ TimeoutError: timed out The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 667, in send resp = conn.urlopen( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 843, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 474, in increment raise reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/util/util.py", line 39, in reraise raise value File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 789, in urlopen response = self._make_request( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 538, in _make_request self._raise_timeout(err=e, url=url, timeout_value=read_timeout) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 369, in _raise_timeout raise ReadTimeoutError( urllib3.exceptions.ReadTimeoutError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/rest/members.py", line 385, in on_post token, token_owner, member = registrar.register( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 584, in register list(workflow) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() ^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 362, in _step_do_subscription self.member = self.mlist.subscribe( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 540, in subscribe notify(SubscriptionEvent( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/zope/event/__init__.py", line 33, in notify subscriber(event) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/membership.py", line 183, in handle_SubscriptionEvent send_welcome_message(mlist, member, member.preferred_language) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/notifications.py", line 77, in send_welcome_message welcome_message = wrap(getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 192, in get contents = getUtility(ITemplateManager).get( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 114, in get contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 39, in get response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 73, in get return request("get", url, params=params, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 59, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 589, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 703, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 713, in send raise ReadTimeout(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) [28/Jan/2025:20:22:52 +0000] "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 400 128 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Jan/2025:20:22:52 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Jan/2025:20:22:52 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Jan/2025:20:26:15 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com HTTP/1.1" 200 482 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Jan/2025:20:26:15 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com HTTP/1.1" 200 482 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Jan/2025:20:26:15 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Jan/2025:20:26:15 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Jan/2025:20:26:39 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com HTTP/1.1" 200 482 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Jan/2025:20:26:39 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com HTTP/1.1" 200 482 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Jan/2025:20:26:39 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [28/Jan/2025:20:26:39 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" ``` Thank you, Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey 502-408-6922

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mailman3-web postorious error "invalid request block size: 14056 (max 4096)...skip"
by Frederik Jan. 28, 2025

Jan. 28, 2025

Until about one month ago, I had mailman3 and mailman3-web successfully running on Debian 12. However, when I access any page such as https://example.com/mailman3/postorius/lists/ now, I just get a 500 server error. /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log logs this at every request: invalid request block size: 14056 (max 4096)...skip I read somewhere that adding buffer-size = 65536 to uwsgi.ini might help. It indeed makes a difference, but unfortunately I just get another error instead: [pid: 4067215|app: -1|req: -1/1] () {256 vars in 14055 bytes} [Tue Jan 28 18:06:30 2025] => generated 0 bytes in 0 msecs ( 500) 0 headers in 0 bytes (1 switches on core 0) There are no other errors in the logs. I proxy mailman in Apache like this: Alias /mailman3/favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico Alias /mailman3/static /var/lib/mailman3/web/static <Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static"> Require all granted </Directory> <IfModule mod_proxy_uwsgi.c> ProxyPass /mailman3/favicon.ico ! ProxyPass /mailman3/static ! ProxyPass /mailman3 unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost-mailman3/ </IfModule> and mailman3's uwsgi.ini looks like this: [uwsgi] uwsgi-socket = /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock enable-threads = true chdir = /usr/share/mailman3-web wsgi-file = wsgi.py master = true process = 2 threads = 2 uid = www-data gid = www-data env = HOME=/tmp plugins = python3 attach-daemon = python3 manage.py qcluster logto = /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log buffer-size = 65536 Any idea what could be wrong or how to debug this further? I'm using mailman3-full 3.3.8-2~deb12u2 and mailman3-web 0+20240312-1 packages.

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Filter response from Mailman3 held messages queue.
by Andy Matthews Jan. 28, 2025

Jan. 28, 2025

I'm working on an update to a portion of my team's application. It retrieves the held messages from Mailman and returns them to the client so that our admins can approve/reject them. At the moment it works as intended, but displays far too much information because Mailman is returning the entire email, with headers (see below). I've found some libraries which can parse the message property and extract the relevant bits, but I'd rather pass some sort of flag or filter to the initial Mailman 3 API call and get back less information. I've looked through the documentation but I'm not finding anything of the sort. Would this be useful? ``` { "request_id": "1", "original_size": 855, "sender": "dev(a)email.org", "subject": "Testing one two three", "hold_date": new Date(), "msg": "Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1])\n\t(using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits)\n\t key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256)\n\t(No client certificate requested)\n\t(Authenticated sender: dev(a)email.org)\n\tby mailman.default.svc.cluster.local (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A48A33E9849\n\tfor <abc-announce(a)email.org>; Thu, 23 Jan 2025 21:24:11 +0000 (UTC)\nMessage-ID: <3ecbaccf-f65a-4ce5-bdfa-e08b5659dc32(a)email.org>\nDate: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 15:24:11 -0600\nMIME-Version: 1.0\nUser-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird\nContent-Language: en-US\nTo: abc-announce(a)email.org\nFrom: Dev Tester <dev(a)email.org>\nSubject: Testing one two three\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\nX-MailFrom: dev(a)email.org\nX-Mailman-Rule-Hits: nonmember-moderation\nX-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation\nMessage-ID-Hash: XM4OS47LU7DRYIO74WB5K4W345NPZ37O\nX-Message-ID-Hash: XM4OS47LU7DRYIO74WB5K4W345NPZ37O\n\nThis is a single line message body.\n\n" } ```

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Mailman3 breaking DKIM signatures
by Jef Driesen Jan. 24, 2025

Jan. 24, 2025

Hi, I have configured a mailman3 mailinglist to not modify the headers and body (e.g. no footer, no subject prefix, etc) to avoid breaking DKIM signatures. This worked well, until I encountered an email where the DKIM signature was still broken. After some debugging, the problem is caused by an attachment, where the mime header is changed by mailman3. The original mail contains this: --------------nYYjj8vJ8CNKuoHJZKVOQh20 Content-Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet; name="filename.xlsx" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="filename.xlsx" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Mailman3 modified these into this: --------------nYYjj8vJ8CNKuoHJZKVOQh20 Content-Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet; name="filename.xlsx" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="filename.xlsx" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 The Content-Type header is modified (word-wrapped), and this breaks the DKIM signature. How can I prevent this from happening and configure mailman to not modify the email? Jef

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Python 3.13 compatibility
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au Jan. 24, 2025

Jan. 24, 2025

Hi Folks, I'm running the Debian-packaged mailman3 (version 3.8) which is a little behind the current 3.9 release ... Debian is now shipping Python 3.13 in 'sid'. https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.13.html#id4 says: Remove the ability to use Path objects as context managers. This functionality was deprecated and has had no effect since Python 3.9. (Contributed by Barney Gale in gh-83863.) As a result, I'm hitting tracebacks from many operations where pathlib.Path objects are used as context managers, like this one: path, fp = find(default_uri, mlist, code) ~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/i18n.py", line 157, in find for search_path in raw_search_order: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/i18n.py", line 117, in search templates_dir = str(resources.enter_context( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^ files('mailman').joinpath('templates'))) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.13/contextlib.py", line 528, in enter_context raise TypeError(f"'{cls.__module__}.{cls.__qualname__}' object does " f"not support the context manager protocol") from None TypeError: 'pathlib._local.PosixPath' object does not support the context manager protocol Given that the python3.13 change is only to move a noop to an exception, it may be that this is a bug for python 3.9 and up as well. Peter C

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m3 database sizing
by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock Jan. 23, 2025

Jan. 23, 2025

Ahoi, has anyone A) spent thoughts (and is willing to share them) about database sizing for an mailman3-production-system? like: space per user + other data + estimated growth = warning to give to my database-admin or B) has some empirical values and would like to share? greetings aiz P.S. this post is related to another about database contents

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m3 database contents
by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock Jan. 22, 2025

Jan. 22, 2025

Ahoi, except for [1] i was not able to find anything about what kind of data will be stored in the database(s) of a mailman3-system. could somebody kindly point me to some documentation i perhaps missed out? or share some insights? greetings aiz P.S. this post is related to another about database sizing [1] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/architecture.html#understanding-user-an…

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Hyperkitty not receaving messages / empty archive [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls
by Helge Baumgart Jan. 22, 2025

Jan. 22, 2025

Hello Everybody, i have set up a fresh mailman3 installation with maxkings Docker compose image (https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman) I've got it working except i get a very strange hyperkitty error: Each time i'm sending a post to the list, it gets distributed to the emailadresses of the list, and at the same time i'm geting a bunch of error Mails. And: There are no Mails visible in the Archive. The directory under core/var/archive/hyperkitty/spool/ listst the mails....though... Hyperkitty-Api-Key in the docker-compose.yml is set via .env Variabel, so it should be identical. That ist the error Mail i receive: Can annybody hint me where to search further, what is wrong? If searched insesivly but found nothing as of jet.... :-( Thank you in advance! Helge Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls TypeError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls unsupported operand types(s) or combination of types: 'str' and 'NoneType' Request Method: GET Request URL:http://mailman-web:8000/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=test%40lists.mydomain.net&msgid=2291673b-c760-4651-8025-ae170429d587%40web.de Django Version: 4.1.12 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.11.6 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python311.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.11', '/usr/lib/python3.11/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages'] Server time: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 13:12:13 +0000 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.github', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.gitlab', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.google'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 56, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 109, in _decorator not hmac.compare_digest( Exception Type: TypeError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls Exception Value: unsupported operand types(s) or combination of types: 'str' and 'NoneType' Raised during: hyperkitty.views.mailman.urls Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: mlist = 'test(a)lists.mydomain.net' msgid = '2291673b-c760-4651-8025-ae170429d587(a)web.de' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: No cookie data META: HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate' HTTP_AUTHORIZATION = 'Token 3ezHkyhUqlD0qB2LiLb4xORyuVFCwimlVZidlOk7XJqjy9QBaNM6O0w4aSR162bN2tIFMdWFKOpfQ1Zq5QYrrVE4IsNFGvkLfGwbf58uENJmUD2yvA0pGXTlvLc3KFD1' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'keep-alive' HTTP_HOST = 'mailman-web:8000' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'python-requests/2.31.0' PATH_INFO = '/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls' QUERY_STRING = 'mlist=test%40lists.mydomain.net&msgid=2291673b-c760-4651-8025-ae170429d587%40web.de' REMOTE_ADDR = '172.26.0.2' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_URI = '/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=test%40lists.mydomain.net&msgid=2291673b-c760-4651-8025-ae170429d587%40web.de' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = 'mailman-web' SERVER_PORT = '8000' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.1' uwsgi.core = 1 uwsgi.node = b'mailman-web' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.22' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = <built-in function uwsgi_sendfile> wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x790fb0ef82b0> wsgi.multiprocess = True wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'it(a)mydomain.net'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['localhost', 'mailman-web', '172.26.0.3', 'lists.mydomain.net', 'lists.mydomain.net'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = '/opt/mailman-web' CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'diskcache.DjangoCache', 'LOCATION': '/opt/mailman-web-data/diskcache', 'OPTIONS': {'size_limit': 1073741824}}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js': 'compressor.js.JsCompressor'} COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'css': ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter', 'compressor.filters.cssmin.rCSSMinFilter'], 'js': ['compressor.filters.jsmin.rJSMinFilter']} COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x790fb2323420> COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = False COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.OfflineManifestFileStorage' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/less', 'lessc {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/opt/mailman-web-data/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_MASKED = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'NAME': 'mailmandb', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'database', 'PORT': '', 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 600, 'CONN_HEALTH_CHECKS': False, 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql', 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'OPTIONS': {}, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'MIGRATE': True, 'MIRROR': None, 'NAME': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FILES = 100 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_APPS = ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER = 'django.views.debug.ExceptionReporter' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'lists(a)mydomain.net' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] DISKCACHE_PATH = '/opt/mailman-web-data/diskcache' DISKCACHE_SIZE = 1073741824 EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = '172.26.0.5' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420 FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': '/opt/mailman-web-data/fulltext_index'}} IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.github', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.gitlab', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.google'] INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ar-dz', 'Algerian Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('ig', 'Igbo'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('ky', 'Kyrgyz'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('ms', 'Malay'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('tg', 'Tajik'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tk', 'Turkmen'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'ar-dz', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler', 'filename': '/opt/mailman-web-data/logs/mailmanweb.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple', 'level': 'INFO', 'stream': <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'>}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('172.26.0.2',)" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MAILMAN_WEB_SOCIAL_AUTH = ['django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.github', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.gitlab', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.google'] MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '/' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://mailman-web:8000' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'timeout': 300, 'retry': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default'} ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECRET_KEY_FALLBACKS = '********************' SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True SECURE_CROSS_ORIGIN_OPENER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'lists(a)mydomain.net' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [{'id': 'yahoo', 'name': 'Yahoo', 'openid_url': 'http://me.yahoo.com'}]}, 'google': {'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}}, 'facebook': {'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': ['email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone'], 'VERSION': 'v2.4'}} STATICFILES_DIRS = [] STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman-web-data/static' STATIC_URL = '/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_DEPRECATED_PYTZ = False USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_SSL = False USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y' That is my docker-compose.yml: services: postfix: image: boky/postfix #mailu/postfix restart: unless-stopped container_name: postfix #_incomming volumes: - ./data/postfix/etc:/etc/postfix/ #main.cf.d - ./data/core:/opt/mailman ports: - "${MM3_INTERNAL_POSTFIX_SMTP_PORT}:25" - "${MM3_INTERNAL_POSTFIX_SUBM_PORT}:587" environment: - HOSTNAME=${MM3_HOSTNAME} - RELAYHOST=${MM3_RELAYHOST} #- RELAYHOST_USERNAME=${MM3_RELAYHOST_USERNAME} # = An (optional) username for the relay server #- RELAYHOST_PASSWORD=${MM3_RELAYHOST_PASSWORD} # = An (optional) login password for the relay server - POSTFIX_mynetworks=${MM3_POSTFIX_mynetworks} #=127.0.0.0/24,10.8.0.0/24,172.26.0.0/24,192.168.1.0/24 ) #- ALLOWED_SENDER_DOMAINS=${MM3_ALLOWED_SENDER_DOMAINS} # - ALLOW_EMPTY_SENDER_DOMAINS=${MM3_ALLOW_EMPTY_SENDER_DOMAINS} #="true" #'), MM3_ALLOWED_SENDER_DOMAINS can be unset #- MASQUERADED_DOMAINS=${MM3_MASQUERADED_DOMAINS} # = domains where you want to masquerade internal hosts networks: mailman: ipv4_address: ${MM3_IP_INTERNAL_POSTFIX} #172.26.0.5 #services: mailman-core: image: maxking/mailman-core:0.4 # Use a specific version tag (tag latest is not published) container_name: mailman-core hostname: mailman-core restart: unless-stopped volumes: - ./data/core:/opt/mailman/ stop_grace_period: 30s links: - database:database depends_on: database: condition: service_healthy environment: - DATABASE_URL=postgresql://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_CLASS=mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=${MM3_HYPERKITTY_API_KEY} #someapikey_longAndTrustworty - TIMEZONE=${MM3_TIMEZONE} #Europe/Berlin - MTA=postfix - SMTP_HOST=172.26.0.5 #postfix # outgoing smtp Sererv - SMTP_PORT=25 #${MM3_INTERNAL_POSTFIX_SMTP_PORT} # Outgoing SMTPS Server Port ports: - "8001:8001" # API removed 127.0.0.1 - "8024:8024" # LMTP - incoming emails #extra_hosts: # - ${MM3_HOSTNAME}:${MM3_IP_INTERNAL_POSTFIX} networks: mailman: ipv4_address: ${MM3_IP_INTERNAL_CORE} #172.26.0.2 mailman-web: image: maxking/mailman-web:0.4 # Use a specific version tag (tag latest is not published) container_name: mailman-web hostname: mailman-web restart: unless-stopped depends_on: database: condition: service_healthy links: - mailman-core:mailman-core - database:database volumes: - ./data/web:/opt/mailman-web-data environment: - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_URL=postgresql://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - HAYPERKITTY_API_KEY=${MM3_HYPERKITTY_API_KEY} #someapikey_longAndTrustworty - UWSGI_STATIC_MAP=/static=/opt/mailman-web-data/static - SECRET_KEY=${MM3_SECRET_KEY} #blah-blah-secret_undgehie - SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN=${MM3_SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN} #lists.mydomain.net - MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER=${MM3_MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER} #it - MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL=${MM3_MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL} #it(a)mydomain.net - DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS=${MM3_DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS} #lists.mydomain.net - SMTP_HOST=172.26.0.5 #postfix - SMTP_PORT=25 #${MM3_INTERNAL_POSTFIX_SMTP_PORT} - TIMEZONE=${MM3_TIMEZONE} #Europe/Berlin ports: - "8000:8000" # HTTP removed 127.0.0.1 - "8080:8080" # uwsgi # extra_hosts: # - ${MM3_HOSTNAME}:${MM3_IP_INTERNAL_POSTFIX} networks: mailman: ipv4_address: ${MM3_IP_INTERNAL_WEB} #172.26.0.3 database: environment: - POSTGRES_DB=mailmandb - POSTGRES_USER=mailman - POSTGRES_PASSWORD=mailmanpass - TIMEZONE=${MM3_TIMEZONE} #Europe/Berlin image: postgres:12-alpine volumes: - ./data/database:/var/lib/postgresql/data healthcheck: test: ["CMD-SHELL", "pg_isready --dbname mailmandb --username mailman"] interval: 10s timeout: 5s retries: 5 networks: mailman: ipv4_address: ${MM3_IP_INTERNAL_DB} #172.26.0.4 networks: mailman: driver: bridge ipam: driver: default config: - subnet: ${MM3_SUBNET} #172.26.0.0/24 Mailman-extra.cfg: [mailman] site_owner:mailman@mydomain.de max_recipients=1 SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 run_tasks_every: 1h VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 VERP_PROBES: Yes [devmode] enabled: no recipient:it@mydomain.de # # extra local settings for mailmen [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 172.26.0.2 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: 172.26.0.5 smtp_port: 25 #configuration: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg # # # [logging.smtp] level: warn [language.en] charset: utf-8 [language.de] charset: utf-8 and my settings_locale.py from mailman-web: EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = '172.26.0.5' EMAIL_PORT = 25 USE_SSL = False DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL ="lists(a)mydomain.net" SERVER_EMAIL ="lists(a)mydomain.net" #DEBUG = True #: Default list of admins who receive the emails from error logging. ADMINS = ( ('Mailman Suite Admin', 'it(a)mydomain.net'), )

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API web hook for subscribe and remove user
by Tibor Molnar Jan. 22, 2025

Jan. 22, 2025

Hi there, I'm looking to find out if there is any way of deleting a user over API and what config needs to be done. Also if I can subscribe user/ users over API to lists. I'm aware that I can remove users in cli mailman shell, so I want to do the same thing over the web. I'm also aware that mailman3 is already query API on localhost and that's how it's generating the output for system information but if I was going to configure it for remote where else other than mailman.cfg do I need to configure this? My current version is: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Related conf in mailman.cfg: [webservice] hostname: localhost port: 8001 use_https: no admin_user: restadmin admin_pass: Thank you for your help

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Mailing list welcome message won't update
by frances.du＠uq.edu.au Jan. 22, 2025

Jan. 22, 2025

Hi there, I have updated the welcome message for a mailing list by directly updating the file at: file:///var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/[redacted].lists.[redacted].org.au/en/list:user:notice:welcome I then restarted theses services: mailman3, mailman3-web and nginx. But when I test subsribe to the mailing list, the welcome message does not update. GNU Mailman 3.1.1 (Between The Wheels) Postorius Version 1.1.2 Thank you for your help in advance. Frances

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MHonArc archiver setup/config?
by Bryan Fields Jan. 21, 2025

Jan. 21, 2025

I've had a request to setup this for a mm3 list. It looks like it's supported from the config files, but I'm at a loss for exactly how to go about this. Has anyone setup this with mm3 and can provide an overview? Thanks, -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

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sync_members via email
by kbaumann＠chicagoiww.org Jan. 21, 2025

Jan. 21, 2025

I can use email to get a list of members: To: mylist-request(a)lists.theserver.org Subject: who (password) Any chance that a sync_members could be accomplished in a similar fashion? Looks like it's only available from the console, but I'm asking anyway to be sure. Thanks.

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Fix, kind of, of 'Internal Server Error'
by Alain D D Williams Jan. 20, 2025

Jan. 20, 2025

I was getting several thousand error messages a day complaining about this. I would also find that the web interface would time-out/die - going away to make a cup of tea was the only things to do -- ie just wait. I am getting far fewer of these today after I tweaked by robots.txt. The problem was search engines (and maybe AI monsters) crawling the site and over loading it. The machine has 1.5GB of RAM & plenty of fast (SSD) swap. It copes well enough except when the crawlers come in. So, 2 fixes: Crawl-delay: 10 Do not visit more frequently than every 10 seconds. Google ignores this as it expects you to waste time on their search console. Disallow: /mailman3/ Do not visit at all. However if you do this then archives will not be indexed. All that I can say is: works for me, I have 1% of the errors that I had previously. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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Postorius: Search field in lists overview
by Andreas Vetter Jan. 15, 2025

Jan. 15, 2025

Hi, is there a way to search lists in Postorius' Lists overview https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists/?all-lists Well, one can change "results on page" to 200 and then use the search function of the browser, but that is some more clicks. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

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Random lmtp Timeout and Long Message Processing times
by Taber, Douglas R Jan. 9, 2025

Jan. 9, 2025

Hello- We’re seeing a seemingly random issue with message acceptance on our mailman instance where some messages sent from postfix to the lmtp listener timeout. It’s not consistent to any specific list or time of day, and messages are accepted on the next attempt by postfix to deliver the message to the lmtp. Additionally, there seems to be a similarly random delay in accepting and processing messages before they are sent to the list moderators or list members. The mailman smtp log snippet shows it stop receiving data prior to the DATA portion of the message after a 15min timeout: Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 45574) Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) handling connection Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) << b'220 lists.renci.org GNU Mailman LMTP runner 2.0' Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) _handle_client readline: b'LHLO lists.renci.org\r\n' Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) >> b'LHLO lists.renci.org' Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) << b'250-lists.renci.org' Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) << b'250-SIZE 33554432' Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) << b'250-8BITMIME' Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) << b'250 HELP' Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) _handle_client readline: b'MAIL FROM:010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000@mail.verify.signin.aws<mailto:010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000@mail.verify.signin.aws> SIZE=20254\r\n' Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) >> b'MAIL FROM:010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000@mail.verify.signin.aws<mailto:010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000@mail.verify.signin.aws> SIZE=20254' Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) sender: 010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000(a)mail.verify.signin.aws<mailto:010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000@mail.verify.signin.aws> Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) << b'250 OK' Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) _handle_client readline: b'RCPT TO:adcircaws@lists.RENCI.org<mailto:adcircaws@lists.RENCI.org>\r\n' Jan 02 07:56:36 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) >> b'RCPT TO:adcircaws@lists.RENCI.org<mailto:adcircaws@lists.RENCI.org>' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) recip: adcircaws(a)lists.RENCI.org<mailto:adcircaws@lists.RENCI.org> Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) << b'250 Ok' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) EOF received Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) connection timeout Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) Connection lost during _handle_client() Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 45574) connection lost Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 33138) Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) handling connection Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) << b'220 lists.renci.org GNU Mailman LMTP runner 2.0' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) _handle_client readline: b'LHLO lists.renci.org\r\n' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) >> b'LHLO lists.renci.org' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) << b'250-lists.renci.org' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) << b'250-SIZE 33554432' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) << b'250-8BITMIME' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) << b'250 HELP' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) _handle_client readline: b'MAIL FROM:010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000@mail.verify.signin.aws<mailto:010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000@mail.verify.signin.aws> SIZE=20254\r\n' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) >> b'MAIL FROM:010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000@mail.verify.signin.aws<mailto:010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000@mail.verify.signin.aws> SIZE=20254' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) sender: 010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000(a)mail.verify.signin.aws<mailto:010001942716aa05-637d21f8-9794-473f-9e8b-06ca08025ef1-000000@mail.verify.signin.aws> Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) << b'250 OK' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) _handle_client readline: b'RCPT TO:adcircaws@lists.RENCI.org<mailto:adcircaws@lists.RENCI.org>\r\n' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) >> b'RCPT TO:adcircaws@lists.RENCI.org<mailto:adcircaws@lists.RENCI.org>' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) recip: adcircaws(a)lists.RENCI.org<mailto:adcircaws@lists.RENCI.org> Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) << b'250 Ok' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) _handle_client readline: b'DATA\r\n' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) >> b'DATA' Jan 02 08:12:26 2025 (3601529) ('127.0.0.1', 33138) << b'354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>' Anyone have any thoughts on next troubleshooting steps on this one? Thanks

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Feature request, hyperkitty, low volume lists
by Alain D D Williams Jan. 9, 2025

Jan. 9, 2025

I host several low volume mail lists. Typically these are announcement lists where low volume is deliberate -- too many emails and people might unsubscribe. These lists are archived but most months there are not any postings. Browsing the archives can mean much clicking to find content, this is done better with mailman2. My request is to make finding content easier. Possibilities: • On the summary (left hand side) put the number of posts after the month name • Only show months (left hand side) where there are any posts For an example see: https://fridayfolk.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announce@fridayfol… (There is one post in November) Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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Moderation via email?
by Arte Chambers Jan. 8, 2025

Jan. 8, 2025

Is it possible to approve or deny message and subscription requests from email? Thank you, Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey

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Mailman3 Docker persmission denied
by Commander456 Jan. 6, 2025

Jan. 6, 2025

Hello everyone, I recently installed the mailman-core Docker image (Version 0.5) and tried to create a list using the mailman commands inside the container. I used the --notify argument but doesn't receive any mail (I'm the list owner), However, inside the mailman.log I get the following error: Jan 06 20:54:25 2025 (156) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman/var/queue/virgin/1736196864.6488764+2c5d24f89f86715d3deb3d0032735050cb9e29f8.pck' Jan 06 20:54:25 2025 (156) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 164, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman/var/queue/virgin/1736196864.6488764+2c5d24f89f86715d3deb3d0032735050cb9e29f8.pck' Jan 06 20:54:25 2025 (156) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1736196864.6488764+2c5d24f89f86715d3deb3d0032735050cb9e29f8 These are my file permissions: mailman-core:/opt/mailman/var/queue# ls -l total 48 drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 17:11 archive drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 20:54 bad drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 17:11 bounces drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 17:11 command drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 17:11 digest drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 17:11 in drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 17:11 nntp drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 17:11 out drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 17:11 pipeline drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 17:11 retry drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 17:11 shunt drwxrwx--- 2 mailman nogroup 4096 Jan 6 20:54 virgin mailman-core:/opt/mailman/var/queue/virgin# ls -l total 0 Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong? Thank you

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How to remove Held Unsubscriptions
by Mark Jan. 6, 2025

Jan. 6, 2025

Hi As a moderator I receive an email each day for "Held Unsubscriptions" for a subscriber that was unsubscribed by the Owner sometime ago (using "Mass operations"). +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The listname(a)domain.com list has 1 moderation requests waiting. Held Unsubscriptions: User: bart(a)example.com Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There is nothing showing under "Subscription requests > Pending approval". Could anyone tell me how I can stop these email notifications? I have access to the mailman shell and the databases. Thanks, Mark

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possible backscatter attack using Mailman3 servers
by David Newman Jan. 5, 2025

Jan. 5, 2025

Greetings. On a system running Mailman 3.3.9 and Postfix, I'm seeing about 20-30 entries per day in the Postfix queue where it appears a Gmail user signs up for a mailing list that requires confirmation, and Gmail responds that the user is too busy to handle requests. There are no publicly advertised email lists on this server, and I don't ever see anything in the Mailman logs indicating the user ever tried signing up. I've pasted the mail.log transaction below, with only slight obfuscation: - "mail10.example1.com" is this server's canonical hostname - lists are hosted on "lists.example2.com" and "mail.example3.com" - "someuser9413(a)gmail.com" is the user supposedly signing up Thanks in advance for clues on determining where these requests are coming from, and how I might block them. I have a strong interest in having my server not amplifying backscatter traffic like this. Alternatively, if this is a Postfix problem, please let me know that too. dn Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/postscreen[4052406]: CONNECT from [::1]:55274 to [::1]:25 Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/postscreen[4052406]: WHITELISTED [::1]:55274 Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/postscreen[4052406]: using backwards-compatible default setting respectful_logging=no for client [::1]:55274 Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/smtpd[4052407]: connect from localhost[::1] Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/smtpd[4052407]: discarding EHLO keywords: CHUNKING Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/smtpd[4052407]: 4YPsYG1X2xzHQfw: client=localhost[::1] Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/cleanup[4052628]: 4YPsYG1X2xzHQfw: message-id=<173592896219.2314.15515568084960961396(a)mail10.example1.com> Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/smtpd[4052407]: disconnect from localhost[::1] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/qmgr[3635053]: 4YPsYG1X2xzHQfw: from=<postmaster(a)example2.com>, size=901, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/10025/smtpd[4052639]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/10025/smtpd[4052639]: discarding EHLO keywords: CHUNKING Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/10025/smtpd[4052639]: 4YPsYG33SkzHSdN: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/cleanup[4052628]: 4YPsYG33SkzHSdN: message-id=<173592896219.2314.15515568084960961396(a)mail10.example1.com> Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/10025/smtpd[4052639]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/qmgr[3635053]: 4YPsYG33SkzHSdN: from=<postmaster(a)example2.com>, size=1939, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 amavis[4017234]: (4017234-09) Passed CLEAN {RelayedInternal}, MYNETS/MYUSERS LOCAL [::1]:55274 ESMTP/ESMTP <postmaster(a)example2.com> -> <someuser9413(a)gmail.com>, (), Queue-ID: 4YPsYG1X2xzHQfw, Message-ID: <173592896219.2314.15515568084960961396(a)mail10.example1.com>, mail_id: P9P7GnranpAW, b: Zp0DirpBL, Hits: -, size: 900, queued_as: 4YPsYG33SkzHSdN, Subject: "[mail.example3.com] Please Confirm Your Email Address", From: <postmaster(a)example2.com>, helo=mail10.example1.com, dkim_new=dkim:example1.com, 217 ms Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/amavis/smtp[4052633]: 4YPsYG1X2xzHQfw: to=<someuser9413(a)gmail.com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.24, delays=0.02/0/0.01/0.21, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 from MTA(smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 4YPsYG33SkzHSdN) Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/qmgr[3635053]: 4YPsYG1X2xzHQfw: removed Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/smtp[4052642]: Trusted TLS connection established to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[2607:f8b0:4023:c0d::1b]:25: TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256 Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/smtp[4052642]: 4YPsYG33SkzHSdN: host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[2607:f8b0:4023:c0d::1b] said: 450-4.2.1 The user you are trying to contact is receiving mail at a rate that 450-4.2.1 prevents additional messages from being delivered. Please resend your 450-4.2.1 message at a later time. If the user is able to receive mail at that 450-4.2.1 time, your message will be delivered. For more information, go to 450 4.2.1 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=ReceivingRate 98e67ed59e1d1-2f2ed632fdfsi39876934a91.55 - gsmtp (in reply to RCPT TO command) Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/smtp[4052642]: Trusted TLS connection established to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.251.2.27]:25: TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256 Jan 3 10:29:22 mail10 postfix/smtp[4052642]: 4YPsYG33SkzHSdN: to=<someuser9413(a)gmail.com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.251.2.27]:25, delay=0.46, delays=0.01/0/0.4/0.04, dsn=4.2.1, status=deferred (host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.251.2.27] said: 450-4.2.1 The user you are trying to contact is receiving mail at a rate that 450-4.2.1 prevents additional messages from being delivered. Please resend your 450-4.2.1 message at a later time. If the user is able to receive mail at that 450-4.2.1 time, your message will be delivered. For more information, go to 450 4.2.1 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=ReceivingRate d2e1a72fcca58-72aad8fd529si37008995b3a.196 - gsmtp (in reply to RCPT TO command))

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mailman transfer from 2to3
by Daniel Germer Dec. 28, 2024

Dec. 28, 2024

Hello all, I am new to mailman3, once upon a time I had mailman installed on my server, but had trouble with many things, especially virtual hosts not possible in mailman2... However on https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/pre-installation-guide.html#what-do-i-n… are no system requirements for the installation. I assume, that I cannot just install mailman3 on a regular webhoster, but there is no section: You need to have root access to a Linux system with at least 8/16/31/64GB RAM and at least 1/2/5/7 GB of free diskspace (ssl or hard-disk?) You need so and so much for 100/1000 Lists with 10/100/1000 Users each and 5/50/500 Mailings per day... where do I find that information? what is the smallest possible machine to run mailman3 on? Can I run it on a raspberry pi? regards, Daniel

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Clean-up of non-members
by Torge Riedel Dec. 26, 2024

Dec. 26, 2024

Dears, I am currently cleaning up a huge list of non-members. In contrast to the members list where I can select multiple entries and delete them at once, this is not possible in the list of non-members? Can this be enabled in a future release? Thank you and kind regards Torge

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MTA setup
by Arte Chambers Dec. 24, 2024

Dec. 24, 2024

I've got a new installation of Mailman 3 setup, however I am having some issues I'm not sure how to troubleshoot. Mailman is successfully sending invite emails however user messages sent to the list are not being sent to subscribers. Also in Hyperkitty none of my test messages to the list are showing up in the archive. I am using Postfix with an SMTP relay hosted at Brevo.com (formally sendinblue). Brevo's logs show the message getting rejected Log from brevo.com (SMPT Relay) Sent on 17-11-2024 21:49:16 From listmember(a)gmail.com To listmember(a)gmail.com Message ID<CAPesOD1y0fEaG=GFodz=Lgs1m_hqRErPnQcpXCNtKsBbJ= BJ7Q(a)mail.gmail.com> 17-11-2024 21:49:16 Sending has been rejected because the sender you used listmember(a)gmail.com is not valid. Validate your sender or authenticate your domain >>>Postfix main.cf # See /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, more complete version # Debian specific: Specifying a file name will cause the first # line of that file to be used as the name. The Debian default # is /etc/mailname. #myorigin = /etc/mailname smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no # appending .domain is the MUA's job. append_dot_mydomain = no # Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings #delay_warning_time = 4h readme_directory = no # See http://www.postfix.org/COMPATIBILITY_README.html -- default to 3.6 on # fresh installs. compatibility_level = 3.6 # TLS parameters smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key smtpd_tls_security_level=may smtp_tls_CApath=/etc/ssl/certs smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination myhostname = list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = $myhostname mydestination = $myhostname, list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, localhost.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, , localhost mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 mailbox_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all # Mailman3 configs # Support the default VERP delimiter. recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains #SMPT Relay Brevo relayhost = [smtp-relay.sendinblue.com]:587 smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd smtp_tls_security_level = encrypt smtp_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt *In closing*, can anyone point me in the right direction for further troubleshooting on this issue? Thank you, Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey

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Suggestion on Mailing Lists page
by Alain D D Williams Dec. 24, 2024

Dec. 24, 2024

This is the page that lists the mailing lists that I have. It would be really useful if there was an indication next to each list if that list required attention, eg an email awaiting moderation. Have a good Xmas everyone. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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MM2 to MM3 Archives Loading
by Joshua Bushe Dec. 22, 2024

Dec. 22, 2024

Hi everyone, I’ve successfully converted a list from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3, and most things are working smoothly. However, I’m encountering an issue with the archives in the GUI: Problem: The archives don’t load on the overview page. Odd Behavior: If I use the search function, the archives appear as expected, but they remain invisible on the main overview. Has anyone encountered this issue or have suggestions for troubleshooting? Thanks in advance for your help!

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Flooded non-members with "prvs=<number>=<mail>"
by Torge Riedel Dec. 22, 2024

Dec. 22, 2024

Dears, I checked the non-members list of all my mailman3 lists and found a lot entries like "prvs=<number>=<mail>", the <mail> is always an address from @freenet.de A quick research mentions something related to bouncing and that such mails should be blocked/filtered. But no further details. Can you give a hint where I need to change what to block such mails and avoid that such entries floods the non-members list? Thank you and kind regards Torge

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Poor rendering of disabled registration page
by Torge Riedel Dec. 22, 2024

Dec. 22, 2024

Dears, I have set ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter' in my settings.py, so clicking on the "Registration+" button shows a page that registration is disabled: 1. The page has a poor rendering, as far as I can see not css is referenced 2. A would prefer that I am able to hide the registration button Is either of this possible to be fixed in the future? Thank you and kind regards Torge

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Cache mailman3
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat Dec. 22, 2024

Dec. 22, 2024

Is there a way to delete the mailman3 cache? It's because it gives us this error and we think it's because of the cache. Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/login/ TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/login/ django_saml2_auth/error.html Request Method: GET Request URL: http://llistes.csuc.cat/mailman3/accounts/login/?next=/mailman3/postorius/l… Django Version: 2.2.12 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.8.10 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python38.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.8', '/usr/lib/python3.8/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: dv., 15 Març 2024 10:33:00 +0100 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Template loader postmortem Django tried loading these templates, in this order: Using engine django: This engine did not provide a list of tried templates. Traceback: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/django_saml2_auth/utils.py" in wrapper 179. result = function(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/django_saml2_auth/views.py" in signin 271. saml_client = get_saml_client(get_assertion_url(request), acs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/django_saml2_auth/saml.py" in get_saml_client 169. metadata = get_metadata(user_id) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/django_saml2_auth/saml.py" in get_metadata 131. raise SAMLAuthError("Invalid metadata URL.", extra={ During handling of the above exception (Invalid metadata URL.), another exception occurred: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/django_saml2_auth/utils.py" in wrapper 181. result = handle_exception(exc, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/django_saml2_auth/utils.py" in handle_exception 162. return render(request, File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/shortcuts.py" in render 36. content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/loader.py" in render_to_string 61. template = get_template(template_name, using=using) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/loader.py" in get_template 19. raise TemplateDoesNotExist(template_name, chain=chain) Exception Type: TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/login/ Exception Value: django_saml2_auth/error.html Request information: USER: AnonymousUser

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Error: Module "django.contrib.sessions.serializers" does not define a "PickleSerializer" attribute/class
by Torge Riedel Dec. 22, 2024

Dec. 22, 2024

Dears, I just upgraded my Server from Ubuntu 22.04 to 24.04 and I get the following error when accessing the web page. Django is 5.0.10 Postorius is 1.3.13 Any help is welcome. Thank you and kind regards Torge Internal Server Error:/mailman3/lists/ ImportError at/mailman3/lists/ Module "django.contrib.sessions.serializers" does not define a "PickleSerializer" attribute/class Request Method: GET Request URL:https://lists.lsv-pinneberg.de/mailman3/lists/ Django Version: 5.0.10 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.12.3 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python312.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.12', '/usr/lib/python3.12/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages'] Server time: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 11:05:00 +0100 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware', 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/utils/module_loading.py", line 30, in import_string return cached_import(module_path, class_name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/utils/module_loading.py", line 16, in cached_import return getattr(module, class_name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The above exception (module 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers' has no attribute 'PickleSerializer') was the direct cause of the following exception: File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py", line 133, in __call__ response = self.process_request(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/contrib/sessions/middleware.py", line 20, in process_request request.session = self.SessionStore(session_key) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/contrib/sessions/backends/db.py", line 16, in __init__ super().__init__(session_key) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/contrib/sessions/backends/base.py", line 47, in __init__ self.serializer = import_string(settings.SESSION_SERIALIZER) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/utils/module_loading.py", line 32, in import_string raise ImportError( ^^^^^^^^^^ Exception Type: ImportError at/mailman3/lists/ Exception Value: Module "django.contrib.sessions.serializers" does not define a "PickleSerializer" attribute/class Raised during: postorius.views.list.list_index

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Subscription requires confirmation when list is set as Open
by Mark Dec. 21, 2024

Dec. 21, 2024

Hi All, I have a list set with the following ... List Settings > Member Policy # Subscription Policy = "Open" When I subscribe with an email address that has been used (subscribed/unsubscribed) on any other list (on that server), the address is subscribed automatically. However, if I subscribe with an address that has never been used before, I receive an email that requires me to confirm the subscription. The subscription is also held in the administrator's "Subscription requests: Pending confirmation". This happens when subscribing by both email and the web UI. Ideally, as the Policy is set as "Open", the subscription of any new email address should be added automatically. Have I missed a configuration setting somewhere? Any advice really appreciated. Regards, Mark $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0] Venv installation on Debian

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Re: mail stuck in "out" queue
by Dmitry Makovey Dec. 18, 2024

Dec. 18, 2024

So our mailman got stuck again, but I did follow your advise. Here's what I've found: On 3/29/19 2:58 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/29/19 2:28 PM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: >> I've had encountered this situation now twice: mail is being stuck in >> "out" queue and nothing in the logs indicates the issue. Is there a way >> to ask mailman-core politely to attempt delivery (perhaps with increased >> debugging in the logs) *without* restarting the core (which does solve >> *this* problem but creates other problems, like availability of the >> mailman as a whole) > > > Is the "out" runner running? yes: # docker top mailman-core | grep -F out: 100 21681 13215 0 Mar28 ? 01:14:16 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/bin/runner --runner=out:0:1 -C /etc/mailman.cfg > ps -fwwA |grep runner=out > > If not, you should be able to start it as the Mailman user with a > command like > > /path/to/python3 /path/to/mailman/bin/runner -C /path/to/mailman.cfg > --runner=out:0:1 > > See 'ps -fwwA|grep runner' for examples > > If the out runner is running, is there a file named *.bak along with all > the *.pck files in queue/out/ there is one, yes: # ls -l /srv/mail/mailman/core/var/queue/out/*.bak -rw-rw---- 1 100 65533 21512 Apr 14 19:45 /srv/mail/mailman/core/var/queue/out/1555296331.8386078+2c905825b82708e5a682b872b0aff320c9dd0b2e.bak what does it indicate and what should my steps be to resolve this (other than restarting queues)? > And if it's not, is there anything in Mailman's logs to indicate why it > died? > > Also, 'mailman restart' should only take a matter of seconds, but if the > out runner is running but not processing its queue, I think sending it a > SIGINT should restart it. SIGINT killed the process allright, but it didn't auto-respawn. I ended up spawning it with: /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/bin/runner --runner=out:0:1 -C /etc/mailman.cfg but soon realized it doesn't go to background nicely so I've nohup'ed it in the end. but it did solve my problem. -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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Upgrading other python packages than the mailman ones in a venv results in dependency conflicts
by Ulf R. Dec. 17, 2024

Dec. 17, 2024

Hello, I know this should be the way to upgrade: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-guide.html I have 3.3.10 installed. I saw that some python packages are outdated an tried this which install all outdated packages in a row: pip list --outdated --format=json | jq '.[].name' | xargs -n1 pip install -U One outdated package was django and this part happened: ------------------------------- vDownloading Django-5.1.4-py3-none-any.whl (8.3 MB) Installing collected packages: Django Attempting uninstall: Django Found existing installation: Django 4.2.16 Uninstalling Django-4.2.16: Successfully uninstalled Django-4.2.16 ERROR: pip's dependency resolver does not currently take into account all the packages that are installed. This behaviour is the source of the following dependency conflicts. hyperkitty 1.3.12 requires django<5.1,>=4.2, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. mailman-web 0.0.9 requires django<4.3,>=4.0, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. postorius 1.3.13 requires django<5.1,>=4.2, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. django-mailman3 1.3.15 requires django<5.1,>=4.2, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. Successfully installed Django-5.1.4 ------------------------------- So I made a roll back. Is this really the only secure way to update the venv?: pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web May be yes and I have to ignore the rest? ;-) Thank you und regards

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MM2 to MM3 on different server. Process to move everything at once.
by jkoral＠luc.edu Dec. 12, 2024

Dec. 12, 2024

Is there a way to move everything from an MM2 server to a new MM3 server (on separate servers)? I have been migrating individual lists, which seems to work OK, but there are so many lists that it would have to be done over a longer period of time. I was hoping I can just migrate a database or something and have it all done in an hour or so. Thoughts?

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Blocking / throttling unwanted signup attempts
by David Newman Dec. 12, 2024

Dec. 12, 2024

Greetings. On a server running Postfix and Mailman 3.3.9, the Postfix queue shows 20-30 entries/day like this mildly obfuscated example: 4Y8M1n5v5VzHSpQ 2023 Thu Dec 12 10:48:45 postmaster(a)example.com (host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.250.101.26] said: 450-4.2.1 The user you are trying to contact is receiving mail at a rate that 450-4.2.1 prevents additional messages from being delivered. Please resend your 450-4.2.1 message at a later time. If the user is able to receive mail at that 450-4.2.1 time, your message will be delivered. For more information, go to 450 4.2.1 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=ReceivingRate 41be03b00d2f7-7fd409820c4si13081249a12.439 - gsmtp (in reply to RCPT TO command)) baduser2000(a)gmail.com From the Mailman logs it appears these are responses to signup attempts to a publicly advertised list hosted on this server. The signups come from many different Gmail addresses. I'm concerned about being part of a botnet. Other than taking the list private, is there some other means I can use to block/throttle these signup attempts? Thanks dn

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hyperkitty threads by month list UI?
by Bryan Fields Dec. 11, 2024

Dec. 11, 2024

Does anyone have a better way to display the threads by month in hyperkitty? I'm thinking like a selector that could show year and then you click on year and it gives months. As of now it expands the months out and there's over 300 lines to scroll down on for threads. Example: https://keekles.org/~bryan/longlisthyperkitty.png Thanks, -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

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Enable delivery
by Hirayama, Pat Dec. 10, 2024

Dec. 10, 2024

Greetings, I'm finding something a bit odd with our listserv. Some of the members of some of the lists are reporting that they aren't receiving messages sent to the list. When I review the member options for the person in question, I see that Delivery Status shows nothing selected (i.e. neither radio button is selected for Enabled or Disabled). If I select Enabled and Save, then delivery starts working for that user. There are other members of the list that have neither Enabled or Disabled selected, but they are working. Which also seems to mean that when I run: mailman members --nomail any listname@listserv Nothing is returned. If anyone has any ideas about why this might be the case, or how I might proactively identify other members who aren't receiving mail, that would be appreciated. Alternately, any thoughts on how I might force all members to Delivery Status Enabled, that would also be great. Thanks! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering - Infrastructure Fred Hutch Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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How to Increase outgoing mail volume for Mailman 3
by Brian Carpenter Dec. 9, 2024

Dec. 9, 2024

Hello everyone, We had a new client come on board that brought a list that had the largest out-going mail volume that I have ever dealt with. So I did what any sane server administrator would do that is running Mailman 3: I ran to Mark Sapiro for help! Here is what the Sage of all things Mailman counseled me to do: 1. Disabled VERP delivery. VERP can help improve mail delivery by delivering 1 message per SMTP transaction (I think I got that right). Using VERP is counter-productive as it can seriously delay outgoing mail delivery for a high-volume list. So you can use something like the following in the MTA section of your mailman.cfg: [mta] verp_confirmations: no verp_personalized_deliveries: no verp_delivery_interval: 0 2. I configured Mailman 3 to run 4 outgoing runners. The default is 1. This action was the game changer. It allows Mailman to handle 4 incoming messages at a time instead of 1. My client's incoming list volume was high enough where it was overwhelming the single outgoing runner. Here is what I added to the mailman.cfg file: [runner.out] instances: 4 Doing this step immediately solved the backlog in var/queue/out. 3. If you start up with a new server for a list that is high volume then keep an eye out for Proofpoint and Vade Security as they will block your new IP address quicker than Mark Sapiro can say "This is a bug. See <some Gitlab.com url>" Mark, thank you! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Hyperkitty search on Message-ID?
by Bryan Fields Dec. 6, 2024

Dec. 6, 2024

I've been working with a rather large import and am finding that I can't seem to get the search on a Message-ID: to return anything. I can do this via the DB, and then look at the message, but this is less than ideal, and requires DB access. > mailmanweb=> select message_id_hash from hyperkitty_email where message_id = '19991231211903.C2870(a)abq-mail-01.ihighway.net'; > message_id_hash > ---------------------------------- > IWKEJSPTJODEHARQ2VI6BEFQKNEJYM22 Any ideas how to get it indexing the ID so a layperson can search on it? -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

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Aborted connection message in log in every 5 minutes
by zoltan＠circle-interactive.co.uk Dec. 3, 2024

Dec. 3, 2024

Hi Everyone, we have mailman 3.3.8 venv test installation which in general works fine however our mysql error log is filled up with messages below because they are so frequent. 2023-02-24 0:31:30 199567 [Warning] Aborted connection 199567 to db: 'mailman' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) 2023-02-24 0:36:30 201063 [Warning] Aborted connection 201063 to db: 'mailman' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) 2023-02-24 0:41:31 202559 [Warning] Aborted connection 202559 to db: 'mailman' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) 2023-02-24 0:46:31 204056 [Warning] Aborted connection 204056 to db: 'mailman' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) As suggested here https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I tried to correlate with error logs and /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log shows some hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index: (2002, "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)" /opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log Message: OperationalError(2013, "Lost connection to MySQL server at 'handshake: reading initial communication packet', sy stem error: 104") but they have not such frequency so unsure if they are related. Thanks for the suggestions

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Recaptcha for subscription requests?
by Jered Floyd Dec. 3, 2024

Dec. 3, 2024

Hello Mailman3 users, I've seen a massive uptick in bogus subscription requests with real addresses, either being used to DDoS outside mailboxes or just for intrusion/scanning. (It looks like a lot of fake random strings for name and then valid addresses like scanning/scamming tools like Acunetix generate.) When these hit thousands of gmail addresses they get classified as spam and hurt our overall deliverability. Has anyone yet built a CAPTCHA integration for the Subscription/Sign Up path? Regards, --Jered

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Deleting moderation requests in database
by Joachim Schrod Dec. 3, 2024

Dec. 3, 2024

OK; so I have an old mailman instance where I can't confirm unsubscribe moderation requests. mailman3 core is still sending me daily notices about that moderation requests; I want to get rid of them. (By now, I unsubscribed this test subscriber, so these messages are garbage anyhow.) First: I assume that all information about moderation is in the database mailman3. If that's not the case, please tell me. Second: I tried to determine what DB records are involved in a moderation, so I can delete them. I found the following records: -- workflowstate: records about pending confirmations; with a token as primary key. -- pended: records that references that key, with an id. -- pendedkeyvalue: records with additional information about the request, referenced by the id of table record `pended'. In addition, there is a record in table `member' for that mailing list, with an UUID in `_member_id' that isn't stored in any other record in the database elsewhere. (This is a test mailing list that currently has *no* members; thus this record might be relevant.) Where is this `_member_id' UUID used? My question is: Which records do I have to delete to get rid of the daily pending unsubscribe moderation notices? Cheers, Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Joachim Schrod Email: joachim(a)schrod.org Roedermark, Germany ``How do we persuade new users that spreading fonts across the page like peanut butter across hot toast is not necessarily the route to typographic excellence?'' -- Peter Flynn

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Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/
by Alain D D Williams Dec. 3, 2024

Dec. 3, 2024

Twice today I have received many (50+) emails like the one below. Many at about 1pm, then it stopped now I am getting them again. An Internet search does not bring up anything useful. The domain at the start of 'Request URL' varies as does the name of the list (in this example 'announce(a)leavesden.org') The domain of the list is not necessarily the same as the domain at the start of the URL. I can receive several in a minute. Anyone any idea ? ----- Forwarded message from root(a)bf2024.phcomp.co.uk ----- Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2024 22:19:12 -0000 From: root(a)bf2024.phcomp.co.uk To: root@localhost Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/ Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/ TypeError at /accounts/fedora/login/ OpenIDProvider.get_server_settings() missing 1 required positional argument: 'endpoint' Request Method: GET Request URL: https://www.leavesden.org.uk/mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/?next=%2Fmailma… Django Version: 3.2.19 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.11.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python311.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.11', '/usr/lib/python3.11/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.11/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3.11/dist-packages'] Server time: Mon, 02 Dec 2024 22:19:07 +0000 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 47, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 70, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 98, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py", line 56, in get return self.post(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py", line 67, in post client = _openid_consumer( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/openid/views.py", line 27, in _openid_consumer server_settings = provider.get_server_settings(endpoint) Exception Type: TypeError at /accounts/fedora/login/ Exception Value: OpenIDProvider.get_server_settings() missing 1 required positional argument: 'endpoint' Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: next = '/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announce(a)leavesden.org.uk/2020/12/' process = 'login' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: No cookie data META: CONTEXT_DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/leavesden/html' CONTEXT_PREFIX = '' DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/leavesden/html' GATEWAY_INTERFACE = 'CGI/1.1' HTTPS = 'on' HTTP_ACCEPT = 'text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip' HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE = 'en-us,en-gb,en;q=0.7,*;q=0.3' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'Keep-Alive' HTTP_HOST = 'www.leavesden.org.uk' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'serpstatbot/2.1 (advanced backlink tracking bot; https://serpstatbot.com/; abuse(a)serpstatbot.com)' PATH = '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin' PATH_INFO = '/accounts/fedora/login/' QUERY_STRING = 'next=%2Fmailman3%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Fannounce%40leavesden.org.uk%2F2020%2F12%2F&process=login' REMOTE_ADDR = '144.76.69.39' REMOTE_PORT = '33902' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_SCHEME = 'https' REQUEST_URI = '/mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/?next=%2Fmailman3%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Fannounce%40leavesden.org.uk%2F2020%2F12%2F&process=login' SCRIPT_FILENAME = 'proxy:uwsgi://localhost//accounts/fedora/login/' SCRIPT_NAME = '/mailman3' SCRIPT_URI = 'https://www.leavesden.org.uk/mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/' SCRIPT_URL = '/mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/' SERVER_ADDR = '85.119.82.114' SERVER_ADMIN = 'addw(a)phcomp.co.uk' SERVER_NAME = 'www.leavesden.org.uk' SERVER_PORT = '443' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.1' SERVER_SIGNATURE = '********************' SERVER_SOFTWARE = 'Apache/2.4.62 (Debian)' SSL_TLS_SNI = 'www.leavesden.org.uk' uwsgi.core = 1 uwsgi.node = b'bf2024.phcomp.co.uk' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.21-debian' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = <built-in function uwsgi_sendfile> wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7f42defc8b50> wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'https' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'root@localhost'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['*'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = '/usr/share/mailman3-web' CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js': 'compressor.js.JsCompressor'} COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'css': ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter', 'compressor.filters.cssmin.rCSSMinFilter'], 'js': ['compressor.filters.jsmin.rJSMinFilter']} COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7f42e6122700> COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/mailman3/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.mysql', 'NAME': 'mailman3web', 'USER': 'mailman3web', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '', 'OPTIONS': {'init_command': "SET sql_mode='STRICT_TRANS_TABLES'", 'charset': 'utf8mb4'}, 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'MIGRATE': True, 'MIRROR': None, 'NAME': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FILES = 100 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER = 'django.views.debug.ExceptionReporter' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'mailman3(a)bf2024.phcomp.co.uk' DEFAULT_HASHING_ALGORITHM = 'sha256' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAILNAME = 'bf2024.phcomp.co.uk' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420 FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': '/var/lib/mailman3/web/fulltext_index'}} HOSTNAME = 'localhost' IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = "('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora')" INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ar-dz', 'Algerian Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('ig', 'Igbo'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('ky', 'Kyrgyz'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('tg', 'Tajik'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tk', 'Turkmen'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'ar-dz', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-gb' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler', 'filename': '/var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '/mailman3/' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost/mailman3/' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'timeout': 300, 'retry': 400, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', 'poll': 5} ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)bf2024.phcomp.co.uk' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/mailman3/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y' ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. 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Problem with importing lists
by Alain D D Williams Dec. 1, 2024

Dec. 1, 2024

This is a problem that I had before. Creating a new email list, adding members - all goes well the members can send email to the list and it is sent out. Create an email list and import configuration data from mailman 2.1.20 *sometimes* has problems - mail is received, archived but not sent out. This is only sometimes. One list that I had the problem with I eventually got it to send out email, but I cannot remember exactly what I did. The lists that get stuck go into an infinite look trying to deal with a file in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ -- the files being worked on in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/ where they appear temporarily. # mailman --run-as-root import21 arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk /home/tmp/lists/arm-netbook/config.pck Importing members [####################################] 100% Importing owners [####################################] 100%addw(a)phcomp.co.uk is already imported with role MemberRole.owner Importing moderators [####################################] 100% Importing defers [####################################] 100% Importing holds [####################################] 100% Importing rejects [####################################] 100% Importing discards [####################################] 100% The archive with a message from me at 6.18pm can be seen here (with one at 5.28 from when it was on the old machine) https://mm-test.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/arm-netbook@lists.phc… The file in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ has been decoded below with "mailman --run-as-root qfile" -- some 305 email addresses have been redacted for privacy: [----- start pickle -----] <----- start object 1 -----> Received: from freshmint.phcomp.co.uk ([2001:4d48:ad51:2f00::2:2] helo=mint.phcomp.co.uk) by bf2024.phcomp.co.uk with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from <addw(a)phcomp.co.uk>) id 1tHoWI-006ljH-04 for arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 18:18:10 +0000 Received: from addw by mint.phcomp.co.uk with local (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from <addw(a)phcomp.co.uk>) id 1tHoWC-00CAqy-27 for arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 18:18:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:18:04 +0000 From: Alain D D Williams <addw(a)phcomp.co.uk> To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Organization: Parliament Hill Computers Ltd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Message-ID: <Z0yoXLgAmLN2FkGg(a)phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID-Hash: XJ5VNDGSXYMG2XZRY2ATQUBWF555ERTT X-Message-ID-Hash: XJ5VNDGSXYMG2XZRY2ATQUBWF555ERTT X-MailFrom: addw(a)phcomp.co.uk X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> Subject: [Arm-netbook] Potential trouble on this mail list - did this work ? List-Id: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook.lists.phcomp.co.uk> Archived-At: <https://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/arm-netbook@lists.phcom…> List-Archive: <https://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/arm-netbook@lists.phcom…> List-Help: <mailto:arm-netbook-request@lists.phcomp.co.uk?subject=help> List-Owner: <mailto:arm-netbook-owner@lists.phcomp.co.uk> List-Post: <mailto:arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk> List-Subscribe: <mailto:arm-netbook-join@lists.phcomp.co.uk> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:arm-netbook-leave@lists.phcomp.co.uk> SSBoYXZlIG5vdyBtb3ZlZCBpdCBvdmVyLiBQb3RlbnRpYWwgaXNzdWVzOg0KDQrigKIgVGhlIG5l dyBJUCBhZGRyZXNzZXMgYXJlIDg1LjExOS44Mi4xMTQgMmEwYToxMTAwOjEwMTI6OjExNA0KICBZ b3UgbWlnaHQgc2VlIHRoZSBvbGQgb25lcyBmb3IgdGhlIG5leHQgwr0gaG91ci4NCg0K4oCiIFlv dSBtaWdodCBub3Qgc2VlIHRoaXMgZW1haWwgYXQgYWxsLg0KICBUaGlzIGlzIG9uZSBwcm9ibGVt IEkgaGF2ZSBoYWQgb24gY29udmVyc2lvbiAtLSBzb21ldGltZXMuDQoNClJlZ2FyZHMNCg0KLS0g DQpBbGFpbiBXaWxsaWFtcw0KTGludXgvR05VIENvbnN1bHRhbnQgLSBNYWlsIHN5c3RlbXMsIFdl YiBzaXRlcywgTmV0d29ya2luZywgUHJvZ3JhbW1lciwgSVQgTGVjdHVyZXIuDQorNDQgKDApIDc4 NyA2NjggMDI1NiAgaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucGhjb21wLmNvLnVrLw0KUGFybGlhbWVudCBIaWxsIENv bXB1dGVycy4gUmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uIEluZm9ybWF0aW9uOiBodHRwczovL3d3dy5waGNvbXAuY28u dWsvQ29udGFjdC5odG1sDQojaW5jbHVkZSA8c3RkX2Rpc2NsYWltZXIuaD4NCg== <----- start object 2 -----> { '_parsemsg': False, 'envsender': 'noreply(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk', 'lang': 'en', 'listid': 'arm-netbook.lists.phcomp.co.uk', 'original_sender': 'addw(a)phcomp.co.uk', 'original_size': 1529, 'original_subject': 'Potential trouble on this mail list - did this work ?', 'received_time': datetime.datetime(2024, 12, 1, 18, 18, 10, 551642), 'recipients': { --- 305 lines removed here 'SOME-USER(a)gmail.com'}, 'rule_hits': [], 'rule_misses': [ 'dmarc-mitigation', 'no-senders', 'approved', 'emergency', 'loop', 'banned-address', 'member-moderation', 'nonmember-moderation', 'administrivia', 'implicit-dest', 'max-recipients', 'max-size', 'news-moderation', 'no-subject', 'digests', 'suspicious-header'], 'stripped_subject': 'Potential trouble on this mail list - did this work ?', 'to_list': True, 'verp': False, 'version': 3, 'whichq': 'out'} [----- end pickle -----] -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. 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Suggeested change to the venv installation instructions
by Bill Oliver Nov. 30, 2024

Nov. 30, 2024

Well, I'm now on my third installation of mailman3. I ran into a problem I had forgotten about but once I figured it out, *then* I remembered running into it last time. Configuration: Ubuntu 24.04 ib a vos, It's this. I'm a mysql person, not a postgres person, but I installed postgres for this installation just so I could follow the instructions directly. Whenever I tried to start the mailman service, I got the error that mailman didn't have permission to do whatever needed to be done. The error was: psycopg2.errors.InsufficientPrivilege: permission denied for schema public After a little searching, I found out that mailman needs to be made the OWNER of the database, not just granted all privileges. After adding the commands: ALTER DATABASE mailman OWNER TO mailman; ALTER DATABASE mailmanweb OWNER TO mailman; I suggest adding those two lines to the instructions for "Setup Database" at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html billo

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Moderated unsub requests are not provided by mailman3 service
by Joachim Schrod Nov. 30, 2024

Nov. 30, 2024

Hello, I'm new to Mailman3; being in the process of moving some mailing lists from an ancient Mailman2 installation to a new host. (These lists are not big; they are used to organize a yearly holiday of roughly 50 persons.) As part of the migration; I'm testing out actions that were done on the previous Mailman2 instance. Currently, I stumble over confirmation of unsubscribe requests. Unsubscribe policy of the list is "Moderate". I subscribed an email address and used "Mass operations - Mass removal" in Postorius to unsubscribe it. (Actually, since it didn't work at first, I used that dialog twice.) Now I, as the mailing list owner, get a daily email vom Mailman3 that there are pending unsubscription requests that I shall approve. (Both unsubscription requests for the same email requests are listed in that email; doublettes are not handled properly.) The unsubscriptions requests are not shown in the web interface. I suppose they should appear in the UI section "Subscription requests", either as "Pending Approval" or "Pending Confirmation". (Frankly, I don't understand the difference between these two options at all.) Tracing the communication between Postorius and mailman3 service, I see that Postorius asks mailman3 about pending unsubscriptions with the following requests: 1) GET /3.1/lists/MBOX@DOMAIN This returns list information. 2) GET /3.1/lists/MBOX@DOMAIN/requests?token_owner=moderator This returns a JSON structure with properties "start" 0 and "total_size" 0. 3) GET /3.1/lists/MBOX@DOMAIN/requests/count?token_owner=moderator This returns a JSON structure with count 0. 4) GET /3.1/lists/MBOX@DOMAIN/held/count This also returns a JSON structure with count 0. When one wants to see the "Subscriptions pending user confirmation", there is also a GET to get the requests of token_owner=subscriber; returning the same result as the request for token_owner=moderator above. Looking at the mailman3 database, there are 2 records in table `workflowstate' that are in step `unsubscribe_from_restore' who describe the open unsubscribe requests. I could not identify any other database records that are obviously relevant to that issue. (Since this is a fresh test setup, the database is small enough that I can still look at any record in the database.) Why does Mailman3 have no info in its JSON responses about the unsubscription requests that I get informed about daily? Any hints where I could look further are dearly accepted. System information: mailman3 3.3.3; Postorius (mailman3-web) 1.3.4; both on Debian 11 (bullseye). I know that this is out of date; thus a definitive info "this is fixed by now" is quite OK for me. (Debian upgrade is planned as the next action after getting Mailman3 to work for that use case.) Hope that someone can guide me towards a solution, Joachim PS: The list configuration that I actually want is something completely different: mass unsubscription by the mailing list owner without moderation; but moderation for individual unsubscription requests. This is a mailing list where every year all subscribers are setup anew. Subscribers are email-illiterate users who may know WhatsApp at best, which brings its own problems. No person (un)subscribes herself or himself; all is done by the list owner. Unsubscription would mean cancelling the holiday participation -- the list owner must then ask if that's really wanted... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Joachim Schrod Email: joachim(a)schrod.org Roedermark, Germany ``How do we persuade new users that spreading fonts across the page like peanut butter across hot toast is not necessarily the route to typographic excellence?'' -- Peter Flynn

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Member name management by list owner
by mark＠suburbia.org.au Nov. 30, 2024

Nov. 30, 2024

Bottom line up front: site admins can do some of the things below via https://example.com/mailman3/postorius/users thanks to https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/403 - I am going to include my original post, in case it helps for visibility should others come up against this in future: -- Continuing in my initiation in the MM2.1 -> MM3 migration. I will say that while the software overall seems good, and the support in here has been excellent. I don't recall a more frustrating experience migrating a service in a long time. One of my list moderators runs a closed list for their non-profit organisation, whose demographic is on the more 'wise' side of life. As such, the organisation's committee pretty much handles all the list management for members, who receive a distribution list newsletter. They don't promote the ability to subscribe/unsubscribe/manage list settings to their membership as for some, replying to emails can seem complicated. It's been seen, (and based on the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… appears to be expected) that once an email address is first associated with mailman3, that whatever that member's name is sticks, including if the name wasn't initially used. And, that if you want to change it, you need to have the member login to/created an account at https://example.com/mailman3/user-profile/. E.g. if I as list owner/admin: 1) Add via mass subscription a new member whose email has never been seen by Mailman3 before `Wrong Name <specificemail(a)example.com>` 2) Search members and see it listed as `"Wrong Name" <email(a)example.com>` 3) Unsubscribe the member from the list 4) Add via mass subscription a same member with a new name `Correct Name <specificemail(a)example.com>` When I look at the members list it still shows `"Wrong Name" <email(a)example.com>` If I'm mistaken about any of the above or that does seem like a bug, feel free to let me know. Otherwise, is there any way, without expecting the members themselves to do it, for a site admin or list admin to change the name associated with an email address? I guess in order of preference, I'd like 1) list owner/admin to be able to modify list member name through web UI 2) site owner/admin to be able to modify list member name through web UI 3) list or site admin to be able to modify list member name through command line 4) direct editing of the mariaDB database. (And if this is the best option for now, if you can tell me the name of the db/table to look at it would be appreciated) -- Back to post BLUF solution - I guess my next ask, since the site admin can modify any user's name - would it be possible for me to grant a list owner/admin the ability to change names of any user without giving them full site admin access, and perhaps add the `Manage` button to the list's members list for them?

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Internal Server Error: /archives/
by Christian Nov. 29, 2024

Nov. 29, 2024

What is this error and how can I fix it please? Running Debian 4.19.316-1 -----Original Message----- From: noreply(a)lists.domedoman.ie <noreply(a)lists.domedoman.ie> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2024 5:08 AM To: csa(a)web-analysts.net Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/ Internal Server Error: /archives/ Report at /archives/ Internal Server Error: /archives/ Request Method: GET Request URL: https://lists.domedoman.ie/archives/?sort=active%22%27! Django Version: 3.2.15 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python Python Version: 3.7.3 Python Path: ['/opt/mailman/mm', '/opt/mailman/mm/', '/opt/mailman/mm/bin', '/usr/lib/python37.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.7', '/usr/lib/python3.7/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages'] Server time: Fri, 29 Nov 2024 05:07:58 -0800 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): None Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: sort = 'active"\'!' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: No cookie data META: HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip,deflate' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'close' HTTP_HOST = '127.0.0.1:8000' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_10_1) AppleWebKit/600.2.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/8.0.2 Safari/600.2.5 (Amazonbot/0.1; +https://developer.amazon.com/support/amazonbot)' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = '52.204.37.237' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST = 'lists.domedoman.ie' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO = 'https' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER = 'lists.domedoman.ie' PATH_INFO = '/archives/' QUERY_STRING = 'sort=active%22%27!' RAW_URI = '/archives/?sort=active%22%27!' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REMOTE_PORT = '38786' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = '127.0.0.1' SERVER_PORT = '8000' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.0' SERVER_SOFTWARE = 'gunicorn/20.0.4' gunicorn.socket = <socket.socket fd=4, family=AddressFamily.AF_INET, type=SocketKind.SOCK_STREAM, proto=0, laddr=('127.0.0.1', 8000), raddr=('127.0.0.1', 38786)> wsgi.errors = <gunicorn.http.wsgi.WSGIErrorsWrapper object at 0x7fe24109e6d8> wsgi.file_wrapper = <class 'gunicorn.http.wsgi.FileWrapper'> wsgi.input = <gunicorn.http.body.Body object at 0x7fe240d83080> wsgi.input_terminated = True wsgi.multiprocess = True wsgi.multithread = False wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'https' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Admin', 'csa(a)web-analysts.net'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['localhost', '127.0.0.1', 'lists.domedoman.ie', '192.46.218.224', 'zarathustra.domedoman.ie', '192.168.0.1'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = '/opt/mailman/mm' BROWSERID_AUDIENCES = ['http://localhost', 'http://localhost:8000', 'http://127.0.0.1:8000', 'http://lists.domedoman.ie', 'https://localhost', 'https://localhost:8000', 'https://127.0.0.1:8000', 'https://lists.domedoman.ie'] CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.memcached.PyLibMCCache', 'LOCATION': '127.0.0.1:11211'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js': 'compressor.js.JsCompressor'} COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'js': ['compressor.filters.jsmin.JSMinFilter'], 'css': ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter']} COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7fe24756d620> COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/x-scss', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/mm/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailman', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': '127.0.0.1', 'PORT': '', 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'OPTIONS': {}, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'MIGRATE': True, 'MIRROR': None, 'NAME': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER = 'django.views.debug.ExceptionReporter' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'noreply(a)lists.domedoman.ie' DEFAULT_HASHING_ALGORITHM = 'sha256' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_CONFIRMATION_FROM = 'postmaster(a)lists.domedoman.ie' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420 FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': '/opt/mailman/mm/fulltext_index'}} HYPERKITTY_DISABLE_SINGLETON_TASKS = True IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = "('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount')" INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ar-dz', 'Algerian Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('ig', 'Igbo'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('ky', 'Kyrgyz'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('tg', 'Tajik'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tk', 'Turkmen'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'ar-dz', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.WatchedFileHandler', 'filename': '/opt/mailman/mm/logs/mailmansuite.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'DEBUG', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['console', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO'}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1', '::ffff:127.0.0.1', '192.46.218.224')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '/' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.domedoman.ie' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default'} ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = "('HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO', 'https')" SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'noreply(a)lists.domedoman.ie' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 3 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'google': {'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}}, 'gitlab': {'SCOPE': ['read_user']}} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/mm/static' STATIC_URL = '/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'America/Los_Angeles' USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_SSL = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y'

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Suggested enhancement
by Alain D D Williams Nov. 29, 2024

Nov. 29, 2024

The command: mailman members Shows who are member of a mail list - useful. It would be good if there was an option to show the mail list attributes for each user, eg: Delivery Status, Delivery Mode, Receive own postings, ... User type (member, moderator, etc) Have this printed one line/user with attributes on the line. A --json format option would be great. mailman addmembers being able to take the json format as input would be great. I have been playing with the REST interface but that is prolly to hard/complex for simple use. Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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New domain cannot set set host
by Alain D D Williams Nov. 29, 2024

Nov. 29, 2024

I have created a new domain - via postorius I want to set the 'Web Host' to be the same as the new domain but I cannot see that domain in the drop down list. Even if I save it and then edit the domain I still cannot see it. I went into mailman3-web/settings.py and added it to ALLOWED_HOSTS - no joy. I can see the domain in table mailman3.domain and mailman3web.django_mailman3_maildomain But it is not in table mailman3web.django_site Please how do I do this ? Thanks -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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Connection lost during _handle_client()
by Alain D D Williams Nov. 28, 2024

Nov. 28, 2024

I thought that I was there ... it worked on my test machine but not on a live machine :-( Sending an email to the list just disappears after it is given to mailman. Debian with exim4 Exim looks OK, /var/log/exim4/mainlog says: 2024-11-28 00:59:45 1tGSsi-005OW3-1o <= addw(a)phcomp.co.uk H=freshmint.phcomp.co.uk (mint.phcomp.co.uk) [2001:4d48:ad51:2f00::2:2] P=esmtps X=TLS1.3:ECDHE_SECP256R1__RSA_PSS_RSAE_SHA256__AES_256_GCM:256 CV=no S=1187 id=Z0fAe9xODd2y33N8(a)phcomp.co.uk 2024-11-28 00:59:45 1tGSsi-005OW3-1o => chat(a)bray.phcomp.co.uk R=mailman3_router T=mailman3_transport H=localhost [127.0.0.1] C="250 Ok" 2024-11-28 00:59:45 1tGSsi-005OW3-1o Completed /var/log/mailman3/smtp.log Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 42128) Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) handling connection Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) >> b'LHLO bf2024.phcomp.co.uk' Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) >> b'MAIL FROM:<addw(a)phcomp.co.uk> SIZE=2241' Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) sender: addw(a)phcomp.co.uk Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) >> b'RCPT TO:<chat(a)bray.phcomp.co.uk>' Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) recip: chat(a)bray.phcomp.co.uk Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) >> b'DATA' Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) >> b'QUIT' Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) connection lost Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) Connection lost during _handle_client() I am concerned about the connection lost message above. Mailman sees it, the message ID matches that at the end of the first line in the exim log (above): /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268377) ACCEPT: <Z0fAe9xODd2y33N8(a)phcomp.co.uk> Is there any more logging that I can look-at/switch-on to see what is happening ? Thanks -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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Help with Configuring Mailman3 for Multiple Mailing Lists on a Single Server
by peterrflores＠hotmail.com Nov. 28, 2024

Nov. 28, 2024

Hello Everyone, I’m currently working on setting up Mailman3 on a server to manage several different mailing lists for a project. I’ve successfully installed Mailman3 and Postorius, and I can create and manage individual mailing lists through the Postorius web interface. However, I’ve encountered a couple of challenges that I need assistance with: Multiple List Management: I’m trying to configure Mailman3 to handle multiple lists for different projects. While individual lists seem to work fine, I’m unsure about best practices for managing multiple lists on a single server. Specifically, how can I ensure each list has its own distinct set of configurations (e.g., moderation settings, privacy settings, and membership options), but still manage them efficiently from the same instance of Postorius? Integrating with External Services: We plan on integrating Mailman with a few external services for better automation, including a CRM system and a custom registration platform. Does Mailman3 provide APIs or any documentation that can help with integrating mailing list functionality into other applications? If anyone has experience with these types of integrations, any advice or resources would be greatly appreciated. I checked this: https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ https://www.igmguru.com/machine-learning-ai/generative-ai-training https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/test2.mailman3.org/ Security and User Privacy: Since we’ll be dealing with sensitive data from subscribers, what security measures should we consider to ensure the privacy and safety of the mailing list subscribers? Any suggestions regarding encryption, access control, or secure email practices within the Mailman ecosystem would be helpful. I’d greatly appreciate any insights or advice the community can offer. Thanks in advance for your time!

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Notifying owners of membership changes but not moderators
by Perry Kollmorgen Nov. 27, 2024

Nov. 27, 2024

Hi, It looks like this list setting under Automatic Responses is the primary control for if email notifications regarding membership changes are sent or not: Notify admin of membership changes: Yes/No Should administrator get notices of subscribes and unsubscribes? Which is this setting name: "admin_notify_mchanges" I have a fair number of moderators however who don't want these notifications and only a single owner who appreciates the notifications on membership changes. Is there any way to have these only for Owners ? Cheers, Perry

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Migrating users from MM2 to MM3 on a new server?
by jkoral＠luc.edu Nov. 25, 2024

Nov. 25, 2024

Is there a way to copy users from the old MM2 server to a new MM3 server? Also, will it copy their password as well?

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Unexpexted error: if you are sure you want to run as root, specify --run-as-root"
by w.schoener＠alp.dillingen.de Nov. 25, 2024

Nov. 25, 2024

I want to execute some commands in mailman shell. I log in terminal as super user. But when I use the command mailman shell -l my.list.id i get the responce: "error: if you are sure you want to run as root, specify --run-as-root" I tried: mailman shell -l --run-as-root my.list.id but this does not help. Thank you for all hints. Wolfgang

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Moving existing lists to a new domain
by Jeremy Stanley Nov. 21, 2024

Nov. 21, 2024

I've moved lists and archives between domains in Mailman 2.1 and Pipermail, but not yet with Mailman 3 and Hyperkitty. I have a working multi-domain deployment, and one of the organizations using it is working on changing their domain name. Forwarding incoming messages at the MTA and setting up redirects on the Web server are simple enough, but internally within MM3/Django reside the bits I'm less certain about. Since all the lists for the given domain will be moving to the same unused new domain on the existing server, and can move at the same time, I suppose this could be done through (offline if necessary) backend database update queries. Is there anything outside the DB which would need updating or regenerating for this too? Is this how others have tackled similar tasks in the past, or is it recommended to export/import lists one at a time out of one domain and into another? Any tips are greatly appreciated! -- Jeremy Stanley

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Hyperkitty configuration
by Alain D D Williams Nov. 21, 2024

Nov. 21, 2024

Well, I have finally got it to archive something. One simple thing that tripped me up was the ARCHIVER_KEY • mailman-hyperkitty.cfg says: # The shared api_key, must be identical except for quoting to the value of # MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in HyperKitty's settings. api_key: SecretArchiverAPIKey Which is confusing as it is referring to "# Mailman API credentials" in the file mailman-web.py • mailman-web.py says: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'SecretArchiverAPIKey' It would be good if the lines in mailman-web.py were: # The value below is the same as api_key in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg except that the value here has quotes round it MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'SecretArchiverAPIKey' And the lines in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg were: # The shared api_key, must be identical except for quoting to the value of # MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in HyperKitty's settings (mailman-web.py) # The value here does not have quotes api_key: SecretArchiverAPIKey And if you want to be really nice check if the api_key value is enclosed in quotes and generate a message if so. Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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Must issue a STARTTLS command first when forwarding from old server to new server
by jkoral＠luc.edu Nov. 20, 2024

Nov. 20, 2024

I have a fully functioning Mailman3 server now and have setup and alias on the old server to forward mail to the new server. We have TLS enabled on the new server, but not the old server, so the new server is rejecting the mail coming through. Our IT security will not allow me to disable TLS on the new server. Is there a way to make an exception in mailman3 to allow a specific host to send mail through without using TLS?

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Problems configuring hyperkitty
by Alain D D Williams Nov. 20, 2024

Nov. 20, 2024

I am having another go at installing mailman3 - I seem to have mailman3 & postorius working - although basic testing, much more needed to confirm that I understand it. I want to get hyperkitty working before I start full testing. I am running Debian 12 - Bookworm and have installed the Debian packages. The database is Mysql. This is not a virtualenv setup. There is no documentation in the hyperkitty package so I am following: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/install.html I read the following: "The database can be created with the following command: django-admin migrate --pythonpath example_project --settings settings " I assume that that will create some database tables. Hopefully this will have been done by installing package python3-mailman-hyperkitty. • What database & tables will that be ? It would be really useful to be told so that I can check. • The config file is: /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg This does not contain any comment about databases. Where does hyperkitty get its database parameters from ? • I have several different maildomains each with several lists. Some lists in different domains have the same name. Do I need a different example_project/settings.py for each domain, if so what changes ? One of the next things that I will need to do is to import archives from mailman2. How does the command below change for the different domains ? django-admin hyperkitty_import --pythonpath example_project --settings settings -l ADDRESS mbox_file [mbox_file ...] Is there some better documentation that I have failed to find ? Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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MM2.1 -> MM3.3 migration. To hold or not hold
by mark＠suburbia.org.au Nov. 19, 2024

Nov. 19, 2024

Hi, I've spent the past week slowly migrating from MM2.1 to MM3.3. One of the lists migrated was set to hold all user posts for moderation, as the list isn't a discussion list but a newsletter sent out on occasion to user/members. I am seeing unexpected behaviour post-migration. The list settings have automatically (and appropriately) been set to hold mails when I go to Settings -> Message Acceptance -> "Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list" -- it says `Hold for moderation` The migrated members when viewed all have a Moderation Action of `Hold for moderation`, which is also expected. When I add new members through Mass operations -> Mass subscribe, the new members have a Moderation Action of `None`. I've looked through the archives of this list, and from what I can tell: According to https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > None does not mean no moderation. None means use the list default > as opposed to one of the specific actions defined The thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… seems to also repeat the above, that `none` means the configured setting for the list. However, I've just done a test of a newly added user (a test email account for me), seen that the Moderation Action is `None`, but when I posted to the list from the address, it was not held for moderation, and went through. Am I missing something with the expected functionality? If it helps; Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.11.2 (main, Sep 14 2024, 03:00:30) [GCC 12.2.0] Postorius Version 1.3.8 Cheers, Mark

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Template for Password Reset Email
by Mark Nov. 18, 2024

Nov. 18, 2024

Hi, I have a list and user account set with French as the preferred language. Most message emails (such as the Welcome email) all arrive in French, but not the Password Reset email (shown below) - it arrives in English. I'm guessing that there may not be an .mo file for it. I don't see a template for the Password Reset email in the list's administration settings. Is it possible to create a template for it? Something like "list:user:action:reset"? My thinking is, if creating a template is possible, to (a) write it in French for this list; and (b) rewrite it differently as it's confusing some users. Regards, Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [lists.domain.com] Password Reset Email ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello from lists.domain.com! You are receiving this email because you or someone else has requested a password for your user account. However, we do not have any record of a user with email imark(a)myemail.com in our database. This mail can be safely ignored if you did not request a password reset. If it was you, you can sign up for an account using the link below. https://lists.domain.com/accounts/signup/ Thank you for using lists.domain.com! lists.domain.com

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Removing a moderator via the REST API
by Andy Matthews Nov. 15, 2024

Nov. 15, 2024

You can currently add moderators to a mailing list via the REST API by posting to the `members` endpoint with `role` set to `moderator`. However it doesn't appear that you can remove a person as moderator via the API, per a comment made by Mark on 8/12/24 in this thread: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… We've already got scripts we use to manage moderators on lists, but we're trying to convert everything over to use the API. Does anyone have an idea of when this functionality will make it into the API? Thank you.

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Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.
by jkoral＠luc.edu Nov. 14, 2024

Nov. 14, 2024

We have figured out how to migrate from one server to another, but after removing the list from the old server, the e-mails are still trying to go there. Is there something that needs to be done in mailman so that the e-mail list will hit the new server instead? Does it just take time? Thank you, Joe Koral

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Show list history
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat Nov. 14, 2024

Nov. 14, 2024

Hi, is there a way to know the history of a specific list, such as the changes that have been made over time? We want to see the history of members who have been added or removed. I can only see the mailman logs from the last 5-6 days Thank you

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Installation Questions [Installation}
by Arte Chambers Nov. 14, 2024

Nov. 14, 2024

Hello everyone, I'm running Ubuntu 24.10 and following the Virtualenv instructions <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setup-mailman-u…>. When creating the mailman user per the instructions I find that the mailman user doesn't have sufficient permissions to do things later in the installation such as creating files in /etc. What steps should I take to ensure that the mailman user has the correct permissions to install the Mailman app. Thank you, Arte Chambers

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Problems getting started with postorius
by Alain D D Williams Nov. 14, 2024

Nov. 14, 2024

I am having another go with mailman3, being a long time MM2 user, but am getting increasingly frustrated. I am using on Debian 12 (Bookworm) and have installed the various Debian packages - mailman3-full does that. I have successfully started the mailman3 and mailman3-web services. I went to: http://localhost/mailman3/postorius/domains/new/ 'Add a new domain' I enter a 'Mail Host' -- a domain that does exist on this machine I choose a Web host from the drop down list -- same as Mail Host I click on 'Create Domain' and the page refreshes with the same information but under the Mail Host I see in red: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} I eventually tracked it down. The problem was that I had signed in with an account "addw@localhost". That, for some reason, failed validation above. I hacked the database and changed to "addw(a)localhost.localdomain" and creating the new domain worked. I could send email to addw@localhost - so at the MTA level it is correct. So please can the initial account creation do the same validation as does adding a new domain. I have looked but cannot find any documentation on postorius than https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/ which is not helpful for a user or system admin. Can you point me to something better. Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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Postorius List members
by Alain D D Williams Nov. 14, 2024

Nov. 14, 2024

I have a test list with a few members. For each member it is showing me: Address, Delivery mode, Moderation action, bounce score. It is NOT showing Delivery status (Enabled, Disabled, Disabled by owner, ...). The only way of seeing this is by clicking on the email address (Subscription options). Is it possible to add delivery status to the summary where many users are shown ? I find this (on mailman 2) to be very useful, ie get a quick overview of what is happening to users. Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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No e-mail distribution after import of archive
by Markus Grandpré Nov. 13, 2024

Nov. 13, 2024

Dear Mr. Sapiro, on our test system we noticed the problem that after importing a mailing list archive from a Mailman system v2.1 into a Mailman system v3.3.8, e-mails are no longer distributed via this mailing list. E-mails that are written to the list find their way into the archive, but they are not sent to any member of the list. Before the archive was imported, writing an e-mail to the list and distributing this e-mail via the list was not a problem. Unfortunately, we cannot find any indication of this issue in the log of the mailman system v3.3.8. Please help us to further analyze and solve this problem, as we are planning to import 188 archives into our new productive mailman system v3.3.8 during the next months. With kind regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Changes in Django admin interface are not syncing to postorius gui /database
by ulf.rapphahn＠offis.de Nov. 12, 2024

Nov. 12, 2024

Hello, I have the lasted version of mailman3 in an fresh venv installation and I am testing it for our upcoming migration from v2.1. When I add a new list in the django admin interface this list will never appear in postorius (vice versa it works). The new list is also not in both databases: SELECT * FROM mailman.mailinglist; SELECT * FROM mailmanweb.hyperkitty_mailinglist; (Why two databases are needed with redundant data?) The same when changing for example the description of an existing list in the django admin interface it doesn't change the description of the list in postorius. Vice versa it works. Changes made in postorius are also seen in django. Could please someone help me or explain this behavior? I hope it is a problem with my configuration. Thank you and regards, Ulf

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Maximum recipients in an email.
by b.dirk＠gmx.de Nov. 12, 2024

Nov. 12, 2024

Hello, where can I configure the maximum recipients in an email in mailman3? In my postfix configuration is set a limit "smtpd_recipient_limit = 200" and in the mailman3 smtp.log i will get a error message like "failed with code 452, b'4.5.3 Error: too many recipients'". Mailman3 repeats the delivery for these addresses, but i would like to configure correctly. The delivery of mails is then faster. Thanks. Best regards, Dirk

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Add member to a list by email
by b.dirk＠gmx.de Nov. 12, 2024

Nov. 12, 2024

Hello, I'm trying to add members by email with the following content. Recipient: testlist-request(a)xxxxxxxx.de Email content: join address=max.mustermann(a)xxxxxxxx.de After I've sent this email, it still has to be confirmed in the Postorius web interface under member requests. How can I confirm membership by email, or deactivate this confirmation for moderators? Thanks. Best regards, Dirk

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Bulk delivery status change?
by Stephen Daniel Nov. 11, 2024

Nov. 11, 2024

Mistakes were made, and for while every single outbound email bounced. I've fixed the mistakes, but now in my largest and most active email list, every single user's delivery status is "Disabled by Bounces". Is there a way to bulk fix this? Or do I have to go into each user, one at a time, and fix them? Thanks! -- Steve

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Postorius not HTML-decoding < to "<" characters
by Ron / BCLUG Nov. 10, 2024

Nov. 10, 2024

Andy Smith wrote on 2024-10-30 20:59: > # Block access to the signup form from Tor exit nodes. > <Location /mailman/accounts/signup> > <RequireAll> > Require all granted > Include /etc/apache2/tor-exit-list.conf > </RequireAll> > </Location> If we look at the above message, there are less-than and greater-than symbols around the Apache keywords in the email as expected. If we look at the archived version of the message, we see a slightly mangled representation: # Block access to the signup form from Tor exit nodes. <Location /mailman/accounts/signup> <RequireAll> Require all granted Include /etc/apache2/tor-exit-list.conf </RequireAll> </Location> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Hopefully I've assigned the blame to Postorius accurately and no formatting nor archiving issues make the issue difficult to understand. Thanks.

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Create an eml command in a plugin
by antoine.depoisier＠ikmail.com Nov. 9, 2024

Nov. 9, 2024

I try to create an EML command to allow moderators to accept a subscription request made by an address. I created this command in CLI first, to test if it works, and it works well except to send the welcome message. After that, I tried to create the EML command in my plugin, and when I'm testing this command, nothing happens. Also, when using the command EML help, my command is not shown on the email sent. Maybe I missed something to add in the configurations files. Should I add some configuration files for this command ? Here are the working tree command_eml_addmember_mailman_plugin __init__.py commands __init__.py eml_accept.py cli_test_accept.py

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Postorius admin/user guide
by Florin Pasăre Nov. 8, 2024

Nov. 8, 2024

Hello, We're trying to update mailman to version 3 from version 2, and I can't seem to find some non-technical guide for Postorius, something like an owners manual for all the configurations available in Postorius. Is there such a thing? Thank you, Florin

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Members (and moderators) can't view the list of members.
by mrl＠psfc.mit.edu Nov. 7, 2024

Nov. 7, 2024

I installed Mailman 3 almost 2 years ago. I only now noticed that members of a mailing list can't view the list of members. Even moderators can't see the list. Only Owners. The error message is "You do not have permissions to visit this page." Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.12 (main, Jun 11 2023, 05:26:28) [GCC 11.4.0] Postorius Version 1.3.8 Any ideas? I did make a few "minor" changes to the code, but hopefully it didn't cause this problem. What file(s) contains the code that checks for permissions? Or maybe there is a config file? I also notice by default, for all users, in their "Global Mailman Preferences", the default setting for "Hide Address" is "Yes". How can I change that to be "No". And can I reset that setting for all my present users? Thanks. - Mark

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How to keep virtualenv install secure?
by Lichtinger, Bernhard Nov. 7, 2024

Nov. 7, 2024

Hi, I am looking for some advice: If we use the virtualenv install method, how does one keep track of security updates for all the installed dependencies? I can think of: - Upgrade regularly all installed packages inside the virtualenv. This might break mailman3 if there are incompatible updates. - Try to track all dependencies and check if there are security updates published. This might be impossible to achieve. - Security updates are so rare, we do not need to bother. ;) Thanks, Bernhard

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Abusive user creation - ideas for mitigating
by Andy Smith Nov. 7, 2024

Nov. 7, 2024

Hi, My mailman3.auth_users table contains 131 rows, of which 113 of them were created in the last week. All of these users have a 10 character long random string of lowercase letters as their chosen username. Their email addresses are all over the place. I only noticed this was happening because an unusual number of the subscription confirmation messages were bouncing back to me as postmaster, and I saw the unlikely user names. I matched up some of the date_joined timings with logs of HTTP POST to /mailman/accounts/signup and every single one so far was a unique IP address. So I am not going to get very far with firewalling. Does anyone have any suggestions what I can do to avoid this? Specifically what I would like to avoid is sending a confirmation email to these potentially innocent addresses. … Hmm, actually I've just noticed that all of them are Tor exit nodes. Looks like I could probably autogenerate an Apache ACL that lists all Tor exit nodes and bans them from posting to /mailman/accounts/signup. Thanks, Andy

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Backup and restore a single list
by sherin＠raidm.com Nov. 6, 2024

Nov. 6, 2024

Hello, I am new to mailman3 . I am looking for the procedure to backup and restore a single mailing list from mailman3. If any one know the procedure or the documentation , please point me

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Where to find disabled members?
by Bill Oliver Nov. 5, 2024

Nov. 5, 2024

Now that I have mailman running smoothly, I'm having to deal with a few other issues. When I changed vendors for my vps, my vendor gave me a static IP address that was apparently run by Satan himself. The ip address is -- or was -- on a number of blacklists. I have spent the past couple of weeks going through various appeals processes to get whitelisted, and I think I'm in good shape. In the meantime, a fair number of subscribers have been disabled. When I look at Postorius -> Settings -> Bounce processing, I see all of the policies I can play with, but I don't see how to a) See who is disabled, and b) un-disable them by hand or... do I just have to wait seven days for them to automatically get un-disabled? Thanks! billo

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member appears twice in list - how?
by Jose Bernal Nov. 5, 2024

Nov. 5, 2024

I've got a list member showing up twice in a list (same email address). Can't use the GUI to remove the member from this list (get a 503 error) Screenshots attached, underlying database query reveals no duplicates. Wondering how this is possible or where else I should be looking to resolve this duplicate before I simply remove their entry from the members table altogether. Thank you, --------------------- José Bernal Web/Application Engineer Cell 541-228-8481 jbernal.web.dev(a)gmail.com ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: Screen Shot 2024-11-05 at 10.53.55 AM.png Content-Type: image/png Name: Screen Shot 2024-11-05 at 10.59.12 AM.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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"held for moderation" - alias domain details sought
by Greg Newby Nov. 5, 2024

Nov. 5, 2024

Hi friends. I've viewed this old thread: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… and documentation here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… (and the Postfix docs it links to). Those documents don't seem to guide my situation, or maybe I just need a more specific example. The problem is that when messages are delivered to the alias domain, they are held for moderation. I.e., mail to the alias domain like testlist(a)domain.tld is held for moderation, but mail from the same subscribed, non-moderated user to testlist(a)lists.domain.tld is posted immediately without moderation. I wonder whether my main domain needs to be @domain.tld and my alias domain needs to be @lists.domain.tld - is that what I should try? Or, am I not setting up the alias domain correctly? Details: I'm writing to ask for advice so that mailman messages to address(a)domain.tld can also be sent to address(a)lists.domain.tld. There are various other non-Mailman addresses (local Unix accounts and aliases) handled by @domain.tld as well as @otherdomain.tld on the same server. I have a running 3.3.10 server (venv, using Postfix and PostgreSQL under Ubuntu 24.04LTS). The configured domain is of the form: lists.domain.tld and it's working ok. I put this in /etc/aliases and it seems to work, to forward messages from testlist(a)domain.tld to testlist(a)lists.domain.tld: testlist: testlist(a)lists.domain.tld I know it works because I see it in MM3's smtp.log and mailman.log, including a line like this in mailman.log: Oct 12 21:12:27 2024 (2560960) HOLD: testlist(a)lists.domain.tld post from gbnewby(a)petascale.org held, message-id=< CANLuyJZd8NNn5rOLe3XUhooG9F33U_7VOQXrS-7Z241koAV_Ww(a)mail.otherdomain.com>: Message has implicit destination And, indeed, the message is held for moderation. In the MM3 configuration panel for Domains ( https://lists.domain.tld/mailman3/domains/) I have put "domain.tld" in the "Alias domain" field. Thanks for any guidance. I appreciated seeing the recent threat about "redirecting -bounces replies" which also addresses alias domains. ~ Greg

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HSTS Missing from HTTPS Server
by jkoral＠luc.edu Nov. 5, 2024

Nov. 5, 2024

In my configuration, I am using Apache to reverse proxy the requests to a uwsgi. After our security office scanned the server, it was shown that HSTS is missing from the HTTPS server. The instructions say to add some lines to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/. The only file in there is 000-default.conf that holds the configuration, but the VirtualHost is port 80. I am using an F5 to to automatically redirect port 80 to port 443, but it is still showing this vulnerability. My question is, how can enable the Virtual Host for 443 on the server? Or can that configuration be located somewhere else? Or can I just create a new Virtual Host with the added configuration for mailman? Thanks, Joe Koral

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The dread "relay access denied" error
by Bill Oliver Nov. 5, 2024

Nov. 5, 2024

I've been trying to avoid asking this question since "relay access denied" problems are usually pretty silly configuration errors that I should pick up. But I've been staring at this for three days and I'm stumped. Once again here's the scenario. I set up mailman3 on Ubuntu 24.04 and it's running without a hitch, particularly now that I added the appropriate archival commands. I decided to create a backup on an older server of mine running Ubuntu 22.04. The setup is almost identical except for domain names. Unfortunately, in the second setup, I'm getting "relay access denied" to senders/recipients outside the host domain. Things go fine to list members on the local machine. Mailman is successfully sending admin mail to mailman(a)bill-oliver.com Mail not using mailman works fine. The domain where everything works is billoblog.com. The domain I'm setting up is bill-oliver.com Here's the error in syslog (mirrored in mail.log) on bill-oliver.com trying to talk to list members oliver(a)billoblog.com and billo(a)billoblog.com:: Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 162-144-108-19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19]: 454 4.7.1 <oliver(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied; from=<tradfp-bounces+oliver=billoblog.com(a)bill-oliver.com> to=<oliver(a)billoblog.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com> Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: disconnect from 162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19] ehlo=1 mail=2 rcpt=1/2 data=1 rset=1 quit=1 commands=7/8 Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: connect from 162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19] Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 162-144-108-19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19]: 454 4.7.1 <billo(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied; from=<tradfp-bounces+billo=billoblog.com(a)bill-oliver.com> to=<billo(a)billoblog.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<162-144-108-19.bluehost.com> Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: disconnect from 162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=0/1 rset=1 quit=1 commands=4/5 Nov 1 21:25:48 mail dovecot: auth-worker(10954): Debug: conn unix:auth- worker (pid=10903,uid=116): Disconnected: Connection closed (fd=-1) Nov 1 21:25:48 mail dovecot: auth-worker(10954): Debug: mysql(localhost): Connection finished (queries=1, slow queries=0) Nov 1 21:27:28 mail dovecot: auth: Debug: mysql: Connection finished (queries=0, slow queries=0) FYI, 162-144-108-19.bluehost.com is my ip address and bluehost.com is the VPS vendor. I don't know why that pops up, since the domain is bill-oliver.com. I assume it's VPS-related magic. Here are similar errors in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/smtp.log: Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) Peer: ('162.144.108.19', 51476) Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) handling connection Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'LHLO mail.bill-oliver.com' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'MAIL FROM:<billo(a)billoblog.com> SIZE=1486 BODY=8BITMIME' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) sender: billo(a)billoblog.com Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'RCPT TO:<tradfp(a)lists.bill-oliver.com>' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) recip: tradfp(a)lists.bill-oliver.com Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'DATA' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'QUIT' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) connection lost Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) Connection lost during _handle_client() Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> recipients refused: {'oliver(a)billoblog.com': (454, b'4.7.1 <oliver(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied')} Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> recipients refused: {'billo(a)billoblog.com': (454, b'4.7.1 <billo(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied')} Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> smtp to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com for 2 recips, completed in 0.27154111862182617 seconds Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> post to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com from billo(a)billoblog.com, 1448 bytes, 2 failures Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> delivery to oliver(a)billoblog.com failed with code 454, b'4.7.1 <oliver(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied' Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> delivery to billo(a)billoblog.com failed with code 454, b'4.7.1 <billo(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied' Nov 01 21:24:11 2024 (1574) <173051065026.1640.13931339026208387550(a)162-144-108-19.bluehost.com> smtp to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com for 1 recips, completed in 0.24669885635375977 seconds Nov 01 21:24:11 2024 (1574) <173051065026.1640.13931339026208387550(a)162-144-108-19.bluehost.com> post to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com from tradfp-request(a)bill-oliver.com, 1222 bytes I have gone over my main.cf and master.cf a zillion times. Worse, I've compared them with the same files in the setup that works, and I can't find a significant error) though things are in a slightly different order. I don't know if I'm missing something big or am just a poor proofreader. Any ideas would be appreciated. Here's the obligatory main.cf and master.cf in /etc/postfix. I use dovecot and virtual domains and virtual mailboxex administered using postfixadmin. Here's the main.cf: # See /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, more complete version # Debian specific: Specifying a file name will cause the first # line of that file to be used as the name. The Debian default # is /etc/mailname. #myorigin = /etc/mailname smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no # appending .domain is the MUA's job. append_dot_mydomain = no # Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings #delay_warning_time = 4h readme_directory = no # See http://www.postfix.org/COMPATIBILITY_README.html -- default to 3.6 on # fresh installs. compatibility_level = 3.6 #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix receives incoming emails smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.bill- oliver.com/fullchain.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.bill- oliver.com/privkey.pem smtpd_tls_security_level=may smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix sends outgoing emails smtp_tls_CApath=/etc/ssl/certs smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains myhostname = mail.bill-oliver.com alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = /etc/mailname mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost relayhost = mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 mail.bill- oliver.com bill-oliver.com lists.bill-oliver.com virtual_mailbox_limit = 0 mailbox_size_limit = 0 message_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = ipv4 #Enforce TLSv1.3 or TLSv1.2 smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp smtputf8_enable = no virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.c f hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap #virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail virtual_minimum_uid = 2000 virtual_uid_maps = static:2000 virtual_gid_maps = static:2000 policyd-spf_time_limit = 3600 smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination, check_policy_service unix:private/policyd-spf smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination # Milter configuration milter_default_action = accept milter_protocol = 6 smtpd_milters = local:opendkim/opendkim.sock non_smtpd_milters = $smtpd_milters unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 ########################################### Here's the master.cf (comments deleted) : smtp inet n - y - - smtpd submission inet n - y - - smtpd -o syslog_name=postfix/submission -o smtpd_tls_security_level=encrypt -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=no -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_relay_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticate d,reject -o smtpd_sasl_type=dovecot -o smtpd_sasl_path=private/auth smtps inet n - y - - smtpd -o syslog_name=postfix/smtps -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticate d,reject -o smtpd_relay_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject -o smtpd_sasl_type=dovecot -o smtpd_sasl_path=private/auth pickup unix n - y 60 1 pickup cleanup unix n - y - 0 cleanup qmgr unix n - n 300 1 qmgr tlsmgr unix - - y 1000? 1 tlsmgr rewrite unix - - y - - trivial-rewrite bounce unix - - y - 0 bounce defer unix - - y - 0 bounce trace unix - - y - 0 bounce verify unix - - y - 1 verify flush unix n - y 1000? 0 flush proxymap unix - - n - - proxymap proxywrite unix - - n - 1 proxymap smtp unix - - y - - smtp relay unix - - y - - smtp -o syslog_name=postfix/$service_name showq unix n - y - - showq error unix - - y - - error retry unix - - y - - error discard unix - - y - - discard local unix - n n - - local virtual unix - n n - - virtual lmtp unix - - y - - lmtp anvil unix - - y - 1 anvil scache unix - - y - 1 scache postlog unix-dgram n - n - 1 postlogd uucp unix - n n - - pipe flags=Fqhu user=uucp argv=uux -r -n -z -a$sender - $nexthop!rmail ($recipient) policyd-spf unix - n n - 0 spawn user=policyd-spf argv=/usr/bin/policyd-spf Thanks, billo

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How to fix: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP)
by Jigme Datse Nov. 2, 2024

Nov. 2, 2024

This feels like something that I should have working. I know I've not been attending to things all that well, so the thing that has happened, that's got us from, "possibly doing nothing," to throwing this error is that I went to update my mail server, and in the update, Mailman3 stopped working entirely (it was a variety of things), but now it's launching, and will load the main web interface... but Going to any of the list pages, gives the above Error. Well, not exactly the above error, Django is in square brackets. OK, that will work better for me with the how to fix. How to fix, probably isn't quite what I'm looking for, it's how to diagnose. The error tells me that the IP address is 127.0.0.1 and that 127.0.0.1 is in the ALLOWED_HOSTS. I *mostly* see this coming from Google, but when I go and look at the webpage, I get: normal page at /mailman3/lists/ But my lists, all give me... Something went wrong HTTP error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} I've tried to figure out where to go from here, and right now I'm not making any progress, so I thought I'd ask here.

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redirecting -bounces replies
by Hirayama, Pat Nov. 2, 2024

Nov. 2, 2024

Greetings, Is it possible to redirect the -bounces alias of a specific list so that it also goes to a person, in addition to the normal bounces processing for that list? In Mailman2, I know that I could do that by modifying the aliases table. I've been poking around in Mailman3, but haven't managed to figure out which container I need to be looking at. And rather than keep spinning, I figured that I'd ask the hive mind, since I'm sure one of you can quickly point me to the correct location. Thanks! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering - Infrastructure Fred Hutch Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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Do i need a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file?
by Bill Oliver Oct. 30, 2024

Oct. 30, 2024

While trying to set up my new mailman installation in Ubuntu 22.04, which doesn't quite work yet, I decided to compare my config files with my Ubuntu 24.04 LTS installation, which does seem to work to the degree I've tested it. I noticed this little snippet in the settings.py file: # Set this to match the api_key setting in # /opt/mailman/mm/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg (quoted here, not there). MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'Secret_Hyperkitty_API_Key' Aha, I thought. I should have changed that. Then I noticed that I didn't even have a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file, and I can't find mention of it in the venv instructions. I *have* installed mailman- hyperkitty during the "pip install mailman-web mailman-hyperkitty" step. I did a "find" on /opt/mailman, and it doesn't seem the file is there at all. Do I need this file? I found a template here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/blob/master/mailman-hyperkitt… Do I need to copy and paste that in my installation? Thanks! billo

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Welcome message issue
by Mohsen Masoudfar Oct. 29, 2024

Oct. 29, 2024

Good afternoon I have an issue with welcome message. A list owner is requesting to update the welcome message for only one of their lists. They are requesting to change the default text and insert additional URLs pointing to sites related to their list. I know there is a URI field that you may include a web page. But this doesn't work and gets ignored. - is there a mailman cli option to update the default template for a single list? I couldn't find it in WUI. I reviewed all parameters and variables of the list and couldn't find one that might be related to it. We are running an old version of Mailman 3. Thanks Mohsen

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New installation, new issue: mailman3 migrate -- no module CommonMark
by Bill Oliver Oct. 27, 2024

Oct. 27, 2024

My Ubuntu 24.04 installation is working great, and I have a list running perfectly. I'm now trying to install mailman3 on an older server, this time runing ubuntu 22.04. I'm following the venv installation instructions again, but suddenly came up with a new error. I've made it to the "Run database migrations" section I run mailmanweb-migrate and get: (venv) mailman@mail:~$ mailman-web migrate Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 128, in get_package_libraries module = import_module(entry[1]) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1050, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1027, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 688, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 883, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 241, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/postorius/templatetags/markdown.py", line 21, in <module> from readme_renderer import markdown as md_render File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/readme_renderer/markdown.py", line 16, in <module> from CommonMark import commonmark ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'CommonMark' The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 87, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 442, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 436, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 412, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 458, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 106, in wrapper res = handle_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/commands/migrate.py", line 100, in handle self.check(databases=[database]) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 485, in check all_issues = checks.run_checks( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/checks/registry.py", line 88, in run_checks new_errors = check(app_configs=app_configs, databases=databases) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/checks/templates.py", line 60, in check_for_template_tags_with_the_same_name for module_name, module_path in get_template_tag_modules(): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 105, in get_template_tag_modules for name in get_package_libraries(pkg): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 130, in get_package_libraries raise InvalidTemplateLibrary( django.template.library.InvalidTemplateLibrary: Invalid template library specified. ImportError raised when trying to load 'postorius.templatetags.markdown': No mod ule named 'CommonMark' I know nothing about CommonMark. Since I've suffered the error cascade problem of trying to fix things and just making it worse, I stopped here. Can I ignore this error, or what can I do to fix it? Thanks! billo

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501 Message has defects
by jgn1980＠gmail.com Oct. 25, 2024

Oct. 25, 2024

Hi I'm using GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) on debian 12, and I have this issue on a scheduled e-mail, every day: 2024-10-25T04:00:04.874081+01:00 XXXXXXX postfix/lmtp[29258]: CEB32100F44: to=<XXX(a)XXX.XX>, relay=localhost[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0/0.01/0.01, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host localhost[127.0.0.1] said: 501 Message has defects (in reply to end of DATA command)) I have already changed some settings on the postfix and list configurations, without success. Outlook 365 and gmail receive the email without issues. Does anyone have any idea of how I can fix this? Thanks,

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Timeout error on anonymous subscribe
by vogt＠spamcop.net Oct. 25, 2024

Oct. 25, 2024

Hi, I am running a mailman 3.3.9 server (pip installation). It's working fine so far. However, I have problems setting a template. I set a '[list:user:action:subscribe]' template for a list with some simple text like "test1234". When someone wants to subscribe on the list page without creating an account, it takes five seconds until "HTTPSConnectionPool(host='lists.example.org', port=443): Read timed out. (read timeout=5)" appears on the page. The mail address has been added pending confirmation but no mail gets send. mailman.log shows just exceptions about the timeout itself: Sep 09 15:01:45 2024 (2070549) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 536, in _make_request response = conn.getresponse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ... requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='lists.dkrz.de', port=443): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) [09/Sep/2024:15:01:45 +0200] "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 400 132 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" The access log suggests that getting the template took 5s: ==> /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/access.log <== 127.0.0.1 - - [09/Sep/2024:13:01:45 +0000] "GET /mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.org/list:user:action:subscribe HTTP/1.1" 200 8 "-" "python-requests/2.32.3" Running curl on that url returns immediately $ curl -v 'http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.o…' I have captured the network traffic on localhost interface lo and I can see that the request is sent through the tcp connection and acknowledged. Then 5 seconds later the server (port 8000) sends a push data with the response and closes the connection with FIN. The data exchanged on the connection looks like this: GET /mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.org/list:user:action:subscribe HTTP/1.1 Host: lists.example.org User-Agent: python-requests/2.32.3 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate Accept: */* X-Forwarded-Proto: https X-Forwarded-For: 2001:638:1234:1224::111 X-Forwarded-Host: lists.example.org X-Forwarded-Server: lists.example.org Connection: Keep-Alive HTTP/1.1 200 OK Server: gunicorn Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2024 13:01:45 GMT Connection: close Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff Referrer-Policy: same-origin Cross-Origin-Opener-Policy: same-origin X-Frame-Options: DENY Vary: Accept-Language, Cookie Content-Language: en Content-Length: 8 test1234 The timestamp 13:01:45 is the time of the timeout. The request started five seconds before that. It looks to me as if the connection/keepalive handling is not working properly or the server isn't pushing the response immediately, but it gets buffered until the 5s timeout. Occassionally, I have capture a requests, where the client side would send a FIN to the server and only then the server would send the http response with the final packets. Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this? Thanks, Gerald

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User account issue after importing data from Mailman 2.x server
by dgoldsmith＠sans.org Oct. 24, 2024

Oct. 24, 2024

We finally migrated from Mailman 2.x to a Mailman 3.x several months ago. We have had some issues with people who are active list members not being able to login with their user creds and when trying to use the 'Forgot Password' link to reset, being told their user account does not exist. They can submit email to the list and get copied on other list traffic. I just started looking at a user and a list in both the Postorius and Django admin web UIs and found: - in Postorius: - list exists, has 20K plus subscribed members and has 3 list owners - user exists and is subscribed to this list - in Django: - in HyperKitty section - in the Mailing lists page, the list exists, no idea about members BUT it has 147 owners (also the same 147 moderators) - in the Emails page, there are 149K plus entries - in the Profiles page, there are 147 entries - in the Accounts->Email addresses page, there are only 155 entries - in the AUTHENTICATION AND AUTHORIZATION->Users page, there are 147 entries Should Mailman 3.x have created user accounts for everyone when importing the data from the old server? To correct the issue on a case by case basis, can I as a server admin do something via the web UI or CLI or do we need to remove the email address from the list and ask the person to create a new account using that address and to resubscribe to the specific list or other? Thanks, David Goldsmith

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Logging subscribes/unsubscribes
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 22, 2024

Oct. 22, 2024

Does Mailman 3 log subscribes and unsubscribes for each list the way Mailman 2 did? Brian

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Add domain to Mailman, can't create list with that new domain
by Andy Matthews Oct. 22, 2024

Oct. 22, 2024

I'm testing locally to try and support additional domains. I can add new mailing lists with a domain: announce-123(a)mydomain.com I can't add a new mailing list with an alternate domain: announce-123(a)testing.com Following the documentation for domains I'm able to successfully add the new domain (locally) with the following steps: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… 1. Shell into the mailman server 2. Shell into the mailman Python environment: mailman shell 3. Add a new mailing list. from mailman.interfaces.domain import IDomainManager from zope.component import getUtility manager = getUtility(IDomainManager) manager.add('testing.com') show_domains() # with method from the above documentation URL <Domain testing.com> <Domain mydomain.com> But then when I run a cURL command (from the mailman server) to add a list with that new domain I get an error: $ curl -k -u restadmin:restpass -X POST -H "Content-Type: application/json" --data '{"fqdn_listname": "new-list(a)testing.com"}' https://0.0.0.0:8001/3.1/lists {"title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Domain does not exist: testing.com"} Am I doing something wrong, or missing a step? If not, how do I add support for additional domains such that I can provide mailing list support for that domain?

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OK, so I backed out completely and re-installed. Here's my *original* error. Should I modify virtual mailbox maps?
by Bill Oliver Oct. 19, 2024

Oct. 19, 2024

OK, I think I was clearly in the phase of dealing with errors caused by my attempts to deal with previous errors. So I backed out and did a clean install. Again, the installl seemed to go without a problem. Then: 1) I set up a mailinglist (tradfp(a)forensicpath.us) for "old school" forensic pathologists to discuss cases. 2) I added a couple of users: oliver(a)billoblog.com on the same box as the mailinglist, though on different virtual domains, and william.oliver(a)knoxcounty.org, a local government domain not associated with my box. Results: The welcome message did not get delivered to either address. When I send email from those addresses to tradfp(a)forensicpath.us, I get the following error from both: Your message couldn't be delivered The message you sent to tradfp(a)forensicpath.us couldn't be delivered due to: Recipient email address is possibly incorrect. Further information 5.1.1 <tradfp(a)forensicpath.us>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table If you sent this message to multiple addresses, you'll receive a notification like this for every one that didn't arrive. That is when I started going down the dovecot rabbit hole. Here's the (what I think is relevant) part of the mail.cf file: virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.c f virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail virtual_minimum_uid = 900 virtual_uid_maps = static:900 virtual_gid_maps = static:900 transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains In my previous attempt, I added hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp to both virtual_mailbox_maps and virtual_alias_maps, but I haven't done that yet here. I thought I'd ask and make sure I should. Should that be my next step? Thanks, billo

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Debug=False breaks Django/MM3-Login-page
by Stefan Bauer Oct. 18, 2024

Oct. 18, 2024

Hi folks, I'm trying to hide the custom 404 error messages from Django. ------------------------- Page not found (404) Request Method: GET Request URL: http://......./non-existent-2008020390 Using the URLconf defined in mailman_web.urls, Django tried these URL patterns, in this order: mailman3/ archives/ ^user-profile/delete$ [name='mm_user_account_delete'] ^user-profile/$ [name='mm_user_profile'] accounts/ admin/ postorius/ hyperkitty/ The current path, non-existent-2008020390, didn’t match any of these. You’re seeing this error because you have DEBUG = True in your Django settings file. Change that to False, and Django will display a standard 404 page. ----------------------------- Switching DEBUG=True (currently set in settings.py) to false does indeed hide additional debugging output, but following pages are not accessible anymore (Server Error). user-profile/ accounts/logout/ hyperkitty/ Switching back to DEBUG=True brings back accessibility. This is Mailman Core-Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API-Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python-Version 3.10.12 (main, Sep 11 2024, 15:47:36) [GCC 11.4.0] any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you. Stefan

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adding personalized email header/content in mailman 3
by Alex I Oct. 17, 2024

Oct. 17, 2024

adding personalized email header/content Hello, I'm upgrading from mailman 2.1 and need to have personalized email header and content. In 2.1 eventually (couldn't get custom handler work) I had to modify Decorate.py handler. Basically encrypting email and passing it as a parameter in google required One-click unsubscribe email header link (same in the message body). I tried creating a custom Handler (custom_header.py) in 3.3.19, adding outgoing_pipeline = custom_header in config [mta] section but it doesn't seem to be activating. Thanks

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Verification emails 'helo' rejected
by Greg Newby Oct. 16, 2024

Oct. 16, 2024

Hi friends. I'm now getting a 500 server error upon signing up a new username on the web-based front end. The username is created in the back end, but the verification email does not get sent. This is GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer), venv, Ubuntu 24.04LTS, PostgreSQL, Postfix Here are the corresponding logfile entries from mailmanweb.log: smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused: {'redacted(a)gmail.com': (504, b'5.5.2 <mail>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname')} and from mail.log: Oct 14 12:06:26 domain postfix/smtpd[722764]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from localhost[127.0.0.1]: 504 5.5.2 <mail>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; from=<root(a)lists.domain.tld> to=<root@localhost> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail> lists.domain.tld is the domain for Mailman3. I don't know why it's trying to send email from root@. I've seen places where 'localhost' appears in the Mailman settings (settings.py, mailman.cfg, mailman-web.py), and tried changing them to the host's FQDN and restarting mailman3 and mailman3-web, but the problem persists. Suggestions will be appreciated. ~ Greg

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mailmanweb/django?: too many postgresql DB connections
by api＠egartech.com Oct. 16, 2024

Oct. 16, 2024

Hello, I'm migrating from mailman 2.1 to the latest version (3.3.9) on Almalinux 9 (python 3.19, postgresql 13.16). Have followed the instructions here https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-install to perform a clean install on a new VM. Everything seems to be working (well, I just created one list and doing some basic tests). What I have noticed is hundreds of PGsql connections from mailmanweb. Once mailmanweb service is started there are new non-stop DB connections requests (from Django I guess), here is just 1 second from PGsql log: 2024-10-10 12:15:37.112 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3747 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.113 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3746) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.318 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3748 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.318 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3747) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.523 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3749 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.524 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3748) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.728 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3750 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.729 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3749) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.934 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3751 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.935 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3750) exited with exit code 0 Few minutes later there are around 300 dead (TIME_WAIT) connections to port 5432 like these: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:33728 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40392 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:50860 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40254 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40218 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40110 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT I'm totally unfamiliar with Django so not sure where even to look, but that doesn't looks right to me. Thanks

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Database permission problem?
by Bill Oliver Oct. 16, 2024

Oct. 16, 2024

I have mailman3 installed and mostly configured on a linux machine running ubuntu 24.04. I can use mailmanweb to add and delete mailinglists and users. However, mail is not getting delivered at all. I have both mysql and postgres installed -- I'm using postgres only for mailman, and mysql for dovecot and postfix. Mail, in general, works fine. I'm hosting four virtual domains on this box, and mail to and from all of them to many users gives me no errors. When I add a new user (and thus try to send a welcome message) mail.err log gives me: 2024-10-15T12:40:11.193687-04:00 mail postfix/virtual[960838]: error: open database /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp.db: Permission denied I've tried playing with file permissions. I put postfix,mail, and vmail in the mailman group, and tried giving ownership of postfix_domains, postfix_lmtp, and postfix_vmap to user postfix, but that changed nothing. Currently, it sits at: root:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data# ls -l total 36 -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 0 Oct 15 12:53 postfic_vmap.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 postfic_vmap.db.db -rw-rw---- 1 postfix mailman 353 Oct 13 07:54 postfix_domains -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 0 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_domains.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_domains.db.db -rw-rw---- 1 postfix mailman 1155 Oct 13 07:54 postfix_lmtp -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 0 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_lmtp.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_lmtp.db.db -rw-rw---- 1 postfix mailman 1118 Oct 13 07:54 postfix_vmap So, I'm assuming this is a database permissions error, but I don't know how to fix it. As an aside, my main.cf is below. Any help would be appreciated. billo %cat main.cf smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no # appending .domain is the MUA's job. append_dot_mydomain = no # Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings #delay_warning_time = 4h readme_directory = no # See http://www.postfix.org/COMPATIBILITY_README.html -- default to 3.6 on # fresh installs. compatibility_level = 3.6 #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix receives incoming emails smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.forensicpath.us/fullchai n.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.forensicpath.us/privkey.p em smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_security_level=may smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix sends outgoing emails smtp_tls_CApath=/etc/ssl/certs smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination myhostname = mail.forensicpath.us alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = /etc/mailname mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost relayhost = mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 mailbox_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = ipv4 #Enforce TLSv1.3 or TLSv1.2 smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp smtputf8_enable = no virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_mailbox_maps.cf #added 20241009 for mailman hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp ${dovecot} virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.c f #added 20241009 for mailman hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail virtual_minimum_uid = 900 virtual_uid_maps = static:900 virtual_gid_maps = static:900 policyd-spf_time_limit = 3600 smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, defer_unauth_destination, check_policy_service unix:private/policyd-spf # Milter configuration milter_default_action = accept milter_protocol = 6 smtpd_milters = local:opendkim/opendkim.sock non_smtpd_milters = $smtpd_milters #Mailman transport stuff transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp ${dovecot} relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains

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max_day_to_hold - when in force?
by Wikinaut Oct. 15, 2024

Oct. 15, 2024

There are quite few discussions (back to 2020) dealing with the variable max_day_to_hold and the (non-) handling of the set value, I found for example Marc's comment https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… : I'm really not sure what you are looking to do, but I can tell you that while the max_days_to_hold list attribute exists and can be set, the actual discarding of held messages older than max_days_to_hold is not implemented. Thus the setting currently does nothing. My question: Are there any plans to bring this into action, so that held messages are really discarded after that number of days? (like it was in mailman2)?

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're' problem is sending messages to queue/shunt for an entire domain
by Greg Newby Oct. 15, 2024

Oct. 15, 2024

Hi friends. I have multiple domains under MM3 (venv, postfix+postgres, Ubuntu 24.04LTS). Currently at version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer). Following some user complaints, I've discovered that one of the domains isn't working at all. Messages arrive via postfix and are in the MM smtp.log, but then generate a Python error in mailman.log. Other domains are working as usual. The lists in this domain used to work (I can see messages in the archives, and have received copies). But I imported a bunch more MM2 lists since then, and perhaps there is a problem with one of their configurations. Pointers to how to fix this will be appreciated! Here is the error from ~mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log: ==> mailman.log <== Oct 13 23:27:34 2024 (365022) Uncaught runner exception: multiple repeat at position 11 Oct 13 23:27:34 2024 (365022) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 272, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/runners/incoming.py", line 80, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, start_chain) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/chains.py", line 57, in process if link.rule.check(mlist, msg, msgdata): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/rules/banned_address.py", line 40, in check if ban_manager.is_banned(sender): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/bans.py", line 103, in is_banned re.match(ban.email, email, re.IGNORECASE) is not None): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/__init__.py", line 167, in match return _compile(pattern, flags).match(string) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/__init__.py", line 307, in _compile p = _compiler.compile(pattern, flags) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_compiler.py", line 745, in compile p = _parser.parse(p, flags) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 979, in parse p = _parse_sub(source, state, flags & SRE_FLAG_VERBOSE, 0) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 460, in _parse_sub itemsappend(_parse(source, state, verbose, nested + 1, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 690, in _parse raise source.error("multiple repeat", re.error: multiple repeat at position 11 Followed by a message that it's going to queue/shunt: Oct 13 23:15:25 2024 (365022) SHUNTING: 1728886525.4656847+d1a03bf710a246d029a087eabd40bed11c1af4b5 ... where it stays. Delivery never happens. I've tried with listname(a)lists.domain.tld as well as listname-owner(a)lists.domain.tld. The lists in the domain seem to be set up properly -- they used to work fine! I am suspicious the problem happened when I imported some other lists, but those imports didn't cause any errors. I've done the usual sequence of restarting mailman services, rebooting the server, double-checking the configuration files, and reviewing the list settings. Thanks for your help! ~ Greg

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Search function returning results from another list
by Marco van Tol Oct. 15, 2024

Oct. 15, 2024

Hi there, We have several lists on our list server here, and noticed that if we do this: - go to the archive of public list x - type in "minutes" in the search bar If will: - show a screen: list-x search results for query "minutes" - have 3 results in there for another private list - show a message that you need to login to view the message if you click on one Our current mailman core version is: 3.3.9 Our current hyperkitty version is: 1.3.10 Our index engine is: xapian_backend.XapianEngine Does this make sense? Thanks! Marco van Tol RIPE NCC

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Recently redeployed mailman3 and then received huge amount of subscription disabled notification emails
by francesd919＠gmail.com Oct. 12, 2024

Oct. 12, 2024

Hi everyone, I recently redeployed our mailman3 server. As the owner for one of our mailing lists, I received a huge amount of subscription disabled notification emails. These emails mentioned that the subscription was disabled due to bounce score. Furthermore, we received a few emails from our subscribers saying that they have functioning email addresses and not sure why there were bounces and that their subsctiptions had been disabed. I have some questions: 1. Why do mailman mass send out subscription disabled notification emails to admins after it's been redeployed? 2. I have "Bounce disable warnings" set to 3 and "Bounce disabled warnings interval" set to 7d. How come there are still so many emails seem to be disabled but not unsubscribed? Hence we receiving so many subscription disabled notification emails. 3. What could have cuased functioning emails to bounce and therefore being disabled? Thank you in advance! Frances 3.

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mailman changeaddress: Address already exists; can't change
by joelbrownstein＠computer.org Oct. 12, 2024

Oct. 12, 2024

Hi, We migrated ~100 lists from mailman2 to mailman3 (very nice!) including > 6000 distinct email addresses ("subscribers"). I would like to run the mailman changeaddress command to do a global change of email for a member that moved. But they have other subscriptions using their new email, so both the old and new address are migrated to mailman3 as distinct "members", which prevents the mailman changeaddress from making the change with error: $ mailman changeaddress "EMAIL_1" "EMAIL_2" Usage: mailman changeaddress [OPTIONS] OLD_ADDRESS NEW_ADDRESS Try 'mailman changeaddress -h' for help. Error: Address "EMAIL_2" already exists; can't change. Is there a workaround? Thanks, Joel

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MM3 error on moderation request
by Odhiambo Washington Oct. 11, 2024

Oct. 11, 2024

MM3 - 3.3.10, Postorius 1.3.13. After receiving the notification to attend to a moderation request: ``` At your convenience, visit https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mm/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/hel… to approve or deny the request(s). ``` Upon visiting the link I ended up with a server error. mailmanweb.log has the below to say: ``` [ERROR] [2024-10-10 12:29:15,905] [log] 809040 139858772735552 Internal Server Error: /mm/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/held_messages Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 1026, in find_library return parser.libraries[name] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^ KeyError: 'humanize' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 23, in _wrapper_view return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 63, in wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 889, in list_moderation return render(request, 'postorius/lists/held_messages.html', context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 24, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 61, in render_to_string template = get_template(template_name, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 15, in get_template return engine.get_template(template_name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 33, in get_template return Template(self.engine.get_template(template_name), self) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/engine.py", line 175, in get_template template, origin = self.find_template(template_name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/engine.py", line 157, in find_template template = loader.get_template(name, skip=skip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loaders/cached.py", line 57, in get_template template = super().get_template(template_name, skip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loaders/base.py", line 28, in get_template return Template( ^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 154, in __init__ self.nodelist = self.compile_nodelist() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 200, in compile_nodelist return parser.parse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 513, in parse raise self.error(token, e) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 511, in parse compiled_result = compile_func(self, token) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 293, in do_extends nodelist = parser.parse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 513, in parse raise self.error(token, e) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 511, in parse compiled_result = compile_func(self, token) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 1088, in load lib = find_library(parser, name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 1028, in find_library raise TemplateSyntaxError( django.template.exceptions.TemplateSyntaxError: 'humanize' is not a registered tag library. Must be one of: account admin_list admin_modify admin_urls allauth bootstrap_tags cache compress d_gravatar date_helpers debugger_tags decorate gravatar highlight highlighting hk_generic hk_haystack i18n indent_text l10n log markdown membership_helpers more_like_this nav_helpers p_gravatar pagination postorius_helpers rest_framework socialaccount static syntax_color tz widont [WARNING] [2024-10-10 12:29:16,384] [log] 809040 139858704070336 Not Found: /mc/compose ``` How to fix? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Two trivial questons:
by Bill Oliver Oct. 10, 2024

Oct. 10, 2024

First: Last night I got everything installed and, I think, working. Unfortunately, I forgot to write down the name and password of the superuser I created. I know what I put in as password, but I cant' remamber the name of the superuser. I know I could just create another superuser with "mailmanweb createsuperuser" but I was wondering if there was a "mailmanweb" command for *listing* superusers. If not, I'll just make another superuser... Second: I have the "example.com" error in the login screen. The instructions state that this is a problem with making SITE_ID=1. Okay, but I don't know what to change it to. I tried SITE_ID=2 on a lark and everything broke, and the instruction say not to do SITE_ID=0. Apparently it has to be an integer (I also tried putting in site name and got that error). So... where do I change it? Thanks! billo

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Congrats on the instructions for installation on ubuntu, what about migration?
by Bill Oliver Oct. 9, 2024

Oct. 9, 2024

So I went ahead and tried to install mailman3 on ubuntu 24.04 using the virtual environment approach. It worked like a charm. There were a very few glitches, all from me not reading the instructions closely (e.g. not replacing MY_SERVER with my server name, Doh). The whole thing, from start to finish was about two hours. I appreciate all y'alls efforts in this. The reason I'm doing this is that I'm having to migrate from a server that's going to be defunct soon. I've been running a mailman3 mailing list on that for a few years. Is there a tutorial/instructions on migrating data from an old system to a new one? It's actually not the end of the world if I don't get all the old emails transferred, but I'd like to get the email addresses of the participants moved over easily... I believe that I set it up in 2020, but did not do any version upgrades since then... Thanks! billo

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Upgrade docker-mailman to v0.5.2
by Christopher Oct. 8, 2024

Oct. 8, 2024

Hi Abhilash, I checkout the v0.5.2 for testing my upgrade from 0.4.6 and noticed, that the docker-image-version is still set to 0.4 in docker-compose.yaml. Is there any reason for it or should it be set to 0.5? I´m still using my good old mariadb. I did not find any upgrade-informations about breaking-changes. Do you have any experience with migrating from 0.4.6 to 0.5.2 on mariadb? Best regards Chrclaus

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anomalous behavior
by donato＠molino.it Oct. 5, 2024

Oct. 5, 2024

Hi, I installed mailman-full on debian 12. Everything works perfectly except for the fact that for a single ML the messages are not delivered to the recipients. I have three MLs: 1) example(a)example.com 2) test(a)example.com 3) hello(a)example.com For the n. 2 and 3 are fine, but 1 doesn't deliver. The configurations are identical for all 3: smtp.log:Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 37912) Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) handling connection Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'LHLO list.example.com' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'MAIL FROM:<subscriber(a)domain.tld> SIZE=7873 BODY=7BIT' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) sender: subscriber(a)domain.tld Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'RCPT TO:<example(a)list.example.com>' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) recip: example(a)list.example.com Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'DATA' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'QUIT' I also enabled all debugging in mailman.cfg. But everything is fine Thanks Donato

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Should I try to install mailman3 on Kubuntu 20.04?
by Bill Oliver Oct. 5, 2024

Oct. 5, 2024

I have been a happy camper running mailman3 on a vps I rent from a vendor, running CentOS 7. CentOS 7 is past end of life, so I moving over to a new machine running Kubuntu 20.04 LTS. I have been searching the intertubes and have seen a bunch of people having headaches trying it. So... Is Ubuntu 20.04 cool with mailman3? Should I go ahead and give it a shot or use a different distro? Should I do the apt install, the virtualenv install, or try the docker install? thanks billo

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reset bounce-scores?
by IEM Network Operation Center (IOhannes m zmölnig) Oct. 4, 2024

Oct. 4, 2024

i'm running a mailman-3.3.8 instance, and would like to reset the bounce-score for a (number of) user(s). i searched the internet and this list's archives, but haven't found anything useful so far. due to a misconfiguration of our universities reverse DNS lookup, the bounce score of some users has rocketed in the last days - some users have already been unsubscribed because of that. could anybody please share how i can reset the bounce score? gfmasdr IOhannes ___________________________________________ Die Inhaltsfilterung von Mailman hat die folgenden MIME-Teile aus dieser Nachricht entfernt. Content-Type: application/pgp-keys Name: OpenPGP_0xB65019C47F7A36F8.asc

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makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade
by Chupin Maxime Oct. 3, 2024

Oct. 3, 2024

Hi, I upgraded my debian version, and since, it seems that I have a problem. I tried `mailman-web migrate` (and `mailman-web collectstatic` etc.) and I get the error message: ``` CommandError: Conflicting migrations detected; multiple leaf nodes in the migration graph: (0010_auto_20220618_2315, 0014_schedule_cluster in django_q; 0014_auto_20220618_2315, 0018_alter_emailtemplate_language in postorius). To fix them run 'python manage.py makemigrations --merge' ``` So I tried `mailman-web makemigrations --merge` that ended with ``` PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/migrations/0019_merge_20240930_1159.py' ``` There is no such a file in the migration directory. Any idea ? Thanks in advance, All the best Maxime Chupin

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Confusing order of checkboxes in Postorius
by Markus Grandpré Oct. 2, 2024

Oct. 2, 2024

Dear list, dear Mailman3 developers, dear Mark Sapiro, in Postorius under "Mass operations / Mass subscribe" we find the order of the checkboxes confusing: 1. Pre confirm 2. Pre approved 3. Pre Verified 4. Invitation We think it would be easier for us and our mailing list administrators to understand the interaction of these settings if they were displayed in the following order: 1. Pre confirm 2. Pre Verified 3. Pre approved 4. Invitation as in our opinion "Pre confirm" and "Pre Verified" belong together more than "Pre confirm" and "Pre approved". Incidentally, a typing error has crept into the term "Pre Verified". It should read "Pre verified". Yours sincerely, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Mailman Core release
by Abhilash Raj Oct. 2, 2024

Oct. 2, 2024

Hey Everyone! I am pleased to announce new release of Mailman Core 3.3.10. This includes both bug fixes and new features. A full list of changes can be found at the usual location[1]. This release includes a Breaking change and nntp runner no longer starts automatically in the default release. You can easily enable the runner by updating your `mailman.cfg`. See the release notes[1] for details on how. This release can be downloaded from PyPI[2] or using `pip install mailman==3.3.10`. For those interested in package signatures, both the source tarball and built wheel are available in Gitlab releases[3] along with their signatures. [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [2]: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/ [3]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/releases/v3.3.10 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Default values for lists in Mailman 3
by Markus Grandpré Sept. 30, 2024

Sept. 30, 2024

Dear list, I would like to activate the invitation setting for all lists as default. In Mailman 2.1 I have done this in the file </etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py>: DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes How can I do this in Mailman 3? Can I also transfer other default values like: ... DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2 DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 ... from the very same configuration file to Mailman 3? Is there a documentation of the default values for lists in Mailman 3? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Clearing webserver cache - Nginx
by Odhiambo Washington Sept. 29, 2024

Sept. 29, 2024

I am having an ugly-looking https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/ page because of cached content: ``` 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 694#694: *9562 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.6dab123e4897.css" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 172.70.111.39, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/css/output.6dab123e4897.css HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 694#694: *9564 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.158acc288604.css" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 162.158.159.31, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/css/output.158acc288604.css HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 705#705: *9566 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/js/output.3aaa7705d68a.js" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 162.158.63.166, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/js/output.3aaa7705d68a.js HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" ``` That IP address appearing there is not my actual IP, but Cloudflare's, which is acting as proxy for the site. Having cleared MM3-web cache, is there anything else I can easily do (apart from disabling CF proxying) to help deal with the above issue? Or am I barking the wrong tree? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Migrating archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3
by Markus Grandpré Sept. 28, 2024

Sept. 28, 2024

Dear List, I have a question about migrating archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3: Is it possible to migrate only the archive of a list, but not the list? Best regards, Markus -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Help Setting Up Mailman 3 on an Ubuntu Server
by smith.ja1ck＠gmail.com Sept. 26, 2024

Sept. 26, 2024

Hello All Community Member, I am in the process of setting up Mailman 3 on an Ubuntu 22.04 server & have faced some challenges during the configuration phase. Also I have followed the installation guide & while Mailman Core and Postorius seem to be working I am struggling to configure the Mailman web interface correctly with NGINX. Also I have tried a few different configurations for the reverse proxy but I m running into 502 Bad Gateway errors. Does anyone have experience setting up Mailman 3 with NGINX who might be able to offer some guidance? ?I am interested in seeing a working configuration file for NGINX and any tips on troubleshooting Mailman 3 issues during this phase. As well, I found these resources when doing research on this; https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… https://redacted If anyone have any resources, tutorials or personal experiences please share with me, It would be greatly appreciated!!

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Managing users in postorius
by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis Sept. 25, 2024

Sept. 25, 2024

In our environment, people have multiple email addresses, any/all of which might be used as members or admin addresses. I try to steer people in the right direction, but inevitably, we end up with people registering the ‘wrong’ address or even both addresses. I don’t seem to have very much control with the site admin account. I’d like the ability to add a secondary address for a user instead of talking them through the process of doing it themselves. Is there a way that I’m not aware of? Additionally, when I look up users and choose ‘manage’, it only lists a person’s member roles. It doesn’t list any other roles (owner/admin, moderator, etc). Any way to fix that? I’m also curious what the process would be for merging two postorius accounts into one? My thought process was that I should remove one and then have the user add that email address to the other account. But, if you delete the account, it will unsubscribe the user. Thank you Tom Lieuallen Oregon State University

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Mailman3 migration and/or archiving problem
by hnpilot＠phnet.fi Sept. 25, 2024

Sept. 25, 2024

I have installed a mailman3 server following this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… After a few hiccups I got mailman and postorius working and migrated one list according to this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html It seemed to work and also hyperkitty_import was run without errors (or at least none shown up). Running update_index command said that there were 0 threads copied but I kjnow that the archive isn't empty. But now when I tried to open the list info page from lists view it dies with 500 error. After diving into the different log files I found an error message that it cannot find /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg. Great. Only that the cfg file exists and seems to my (unexpert) eyes correct. After that problem I tried to create a new list. Creation seemed to go all right but also with it, trying to open the list info page it shows 500 error. When googling for a solution I landed on a message stating that there might be double entries for the same list in listarchiver table but when I checked ot turns out that the table is empty! I am a bit confused how to figure out the base cause of the problem and would very much appreciate any pointers. wbr hank

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Can we let member moderation settings be considered after the header filters let the message through?
by Marco van Tol Sept. 24, 2024

Sept. 24, 2024

Hi there, We're trying to set up a list with a header filter to discard spam messages. The spam messages are tagged with a specific header before getting handed over to mailman3. Messages from non-members are correctly discarded by the header filter before hitting the moderation queue. But messages from members get moderated before getting discarded by the header filters. For this particular list we also moderate the members of the list. The default action for members is set to "hold for moderation". We would like to also discard spam messages from members before they become moderated. The X-Mailman-Rule-* headers on spam messages from members in the moderation queue look like this: ---- X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: member-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address ---- Is there any way we can discard spam messages from members before they become moderated? Thanks so much in advance! Marco van Tol RIPE NCC

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Feedback mailman 3.3.10b1
by Andreas Schneider Sept. 24, 2024

Sept. 24, 2024

Hi, I've packaged 3.3.10b1 for openSUSE [1] and installed it on my server. It works fine for me, I don't see any issues. Best regards Andreas [1] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:gladiac:mailman/python-mailman -- Andreas Schneider asn(a)cryptomilk.org GPG-ID: 8DFF53E18F2ABC8D8F3C92237EE0FC4DCC014E3D

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Read mailing list config via CLI
by Andy Matthews Sept. 24, 2024

Sept. 24, 2024

I'm working on a feature to allow configuration of mailing lists using the REST API. The docs show how to do this: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… But I'd like to be able to verify settings using the mailman command or Python shell; and surprisingly I can't find where in the docs it shows how you can read settings on a per-list basis. I'm fine with either option, but I've spent about an hour digging through source code and docs and I'm not finding it. Would someonebe so kind as to point out how I can inspect configuration on a list by list basis? TIA.

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New Mailman web package releases
by Abhilash Raj Sept. 21, 2024

Sept. 21, 2024

Hello Everyone, I have just released Postorius 1.3.13 and Hyperkitty 1.3.12. These can be downloaded from PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/HyperKitty/1.3.12/ https://pypi.org/project/postorius/1.3.13 Note that due to some mistakes on my part, last 2 releases for Postorius & Hyperkitty were yanked since their builds uploaded to PyPI weren't correct due to some mis-configurations migrating from setuptools to pyproject.toml (with pdm) based package configuration. So, when updating from last installed versions, please look at the changelogs from older versions too for both these packages. Their changelogs are available in the usual places: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html Since PyPI doesn't accept signatures anymore, I have uploaded packages and their signatures to Gitlab releases in their respective repositories too. A note for people using my signature for verification: I had to extend my gpg key's validity, so you'll need to refresh my public keys to validate the signature this time. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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MM3 Bounces status
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Sept. 21, 2024

Sept. 21, 2024

Hi, I have some lists which are used primarily as a distribution method (rather than chat) and the person who uses these lists doesn't have access to the detailed MM logs and is not interested in that. It would be very helpful for message bounces (& any other anomalous events, if any) were to be available to that person for each message that is sent out, in a manner similar to mailgun et al. I know something of the bounce processing MM3 does, but it seems to be totally hidden from e.g. the postorius end of things (unless I'm missing something?). Is there a way for bounce events to be emailed to the list owner, or for something to be available in postorius to show this info? If not in the standard package, do other people have ad-hoc solutions to this issue? My ideal option would be for a configurable per-message email or postorius link that reports the number of emails to send (=number in mlist), the number on 'no-mail', the number sent successfully (=no bounce?), the emails of those who bounced (with bounce score), and emails of blocked sends (eg by multiple bounces). So for example: Bounce report for listname: Email Subject: Announcement Sent: today at time From Email: user(a)example.com received (today at time) To List: listname(a)example.com with 100 subscribers; 89 successful; 4 bounces; 3 blocks; 4 nomail; Bounces: - foo(a)bar.example.com (no mailbox) - bar23(a)foo.example.com (timeout) - alice(a)baz.example.org (mailbox full) - bob(a)example.net (bounce-reason) Blocked: - foo(a)bob.example.com (score 3) - bar23(a)alice.example.com (admin ban) - alice(a)alice.example.org (score 2) I suspect that my ideal option would require changes to the internal processing, because MM would need to keep more information about bounces than I think it currently does. It might also need to retain more information about LMTP delivery statuses? Thanks in hope? Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog:http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn:http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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CSV import for mass subscription
by Markus Grandpré Sept. 20, 2024

Sept. 20, 2024

Dear list, we noticed that there is a function to convert the member list into a CSV format and save it.Therefore, we would like to know if the implementation of a CVS import for mass subscription is already planned? If not, how can we submit a corresponding feature request? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Questions regarding message acceptance
by Pawel Grzywaczewski Sept. 19, 2024

Sept. 19, 2024

Hello, I have few questions regarding usage of Mailman3: 1) We have list1 and list2 with members. Can we specify that all members of list1 can post messages to list2? We could potentially write a script that would synchronize members of another list to “Accept these non-members” of another list, but with thousands of lists it will be difficult to maintain lists in synchro. So perhaps there is a concept of adding another list to “Accept these non-members” and mailman real-time evaluate membership of another list upon message arrival? 2) In explanation of “Accept these non-members” it’s written: “While non-regexp addresses can be entered here, it is preferred to add the address as a nonmember and set the nonmember's Moderation to Default Processing”. I noticed that if someone posts to a list then he is added automatically to non-members. Which means that next time he will be able to post. My understanding is that it’s better to use the feature “Accept these non-members”. Am I correct? Thank you, Paweł

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