If I type mailman with no arguments, I get the whole (venv) *mailman@mail*:*~*$ mailman Usage: mailman [OPTIONS] COMMAND [ARGS]... *a* The GNU Mailman mailing list management system https://www.list.org

Options: --version Show the version and exit. --run-as-root Running mailman commands as root is not recommended and mailman will refuse to run as root unless this option is specified. -C, --config FILE Configuration file to use. If not given, the environment variable MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE is consulted and used if set. If neither are given, a default configuration file is loaded. -h, --help Show this message and exit. --- etc ---

But if I type mailman -h, as it says in that page, I get a massive stack dump starting with File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1161, in __call__ return self.main*(*args, **kwargs)* ~~~~~~~~~*^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^* File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1081, in main with self.make_context*(prog_name, args, **extra)* as ctx: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^* File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/click/core.py", line 949, in make_context self.parse_args*(ctx, args)* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*^^^^^^^^^^^*

and ending with

File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 181, in find_pluggable_components for name, plugin_config in config.plugin_configs: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 291, in plugin_configs plugin_sections = self._config.getByCategory('plugin', []) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getByCategory'

(venv) *mailman@mail*:*~*$ mailman --version GNU Mailman 3.3.11b1 (Tom Sawyer)

-- Paul Tomblin