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Postorius List members
by Alain D D Williams Nov. 14, 2024

Nov. 14, 2024

I have a test list with a few members. For each member it is showing me: Address, Delivery mode, Moderation action, bounce score. It is NOT showing Delivery status (Enabled, Disabled, Disabled by owner, ...). The only way of seeing this is by clicking on the email address (Subscription options). Is it possible to add delivery status to the summary where many users are shown ? I find this (on mailman 2) to be very useful, ie get a quick overview of what is happening to users. Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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No e-mail distribution after import of archive
by Markus Grandpré Nov. 13, 2024

Nov. 13, 2024

Dear Mr. Sapiro, on our test system we noticed the problem that after importing a mailing list archive from a Mailman system v2.1 into a Mailman system v3.3.8, e-mails are no longer distributed via this mailing list. E-mails that are written to the list find their way into the archive, but they are not sent to any member of the list. Before the archive was imported, writing an e-mail to the list and distributing this e-mail via the list was not a problem. Unfortunately, we cannot find any indication of this issue in the log of the mailman system v3.3.8. Please help us to further analyze and solve this problem, as we are planning to import 188 archives into our new productive mailman system v3.3.8 during the next months. With kind regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Changes in Django admin interface are not syncing to postorius gui /database
by ulf.rapphahn＠offis.de Nov. 12, 2024

Nov. 12, 2024

Hello, I have the lasted version of mailman3 in an fresh venv installation and I am testing it for our upcoming migration from v2.1. When I add a new list in the django admin interface this list will never appear in postorius (vice versa it works). The new list is also not in both databases: SELECT * FROM mailman.mailinglist; SELECT * FROM mailmanweb.hyperkitty_mailinglist; (Why two databases are needed with redundant data?) The same when changing for example the description of an existing list in the django admin interface it doesn't change the description of the list in postorius. Vice versa it works. Changes made in postorius are also seen in django. Could please someone help me or explain this behavior? I hope it is a problem with my configuration. Thank you and regards, Ulf

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Maximum recipients in an email.
by b.dirk＠gmx.de Nov. 12, 2024

Nov. 12, 2024

Hello, where can I configure the maximum recipients in an email in mailman3? In my postfix configuration is set a limit "smtpd_recipient_limit = 200" and in the mailman3 smtp.log i will get a error message like "failed with code 452, b'4.5.3 Error: too many recipients'". Mailman3 repeats the delivery for these addresses, but i would like to configure correctly. The delivery of mails is then faster. Thanks. Best regards, Dirk

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Add member to a list by email
by b.dirk＠gmx.de Nov. 12, 2024

Nov. 12, 2024

Hello, I'm trying to add members by email with the following content. Recipient: testlist-request(a)xxxxxxxx.de Email content: join address=max.mustermann(a)xxxxxxxx.de After I've sent this email, it still has to be confirmed in the Postorius web interface under member requests. How can I confirm membership by email, or deactivate this confirmation for moderators? Thanks. Best regards, Dirk

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Bulk delivery status change?
by Stephen Daniel Nov. 11, 2024

Nov. 11, 2024

Mistakes were made, and for while every single outbound email bounced. I've fixed the mistakes, but now in my largest and most active email list, every single user's delivery status is "Disabled by Bounces". Is there a way to bulk fix this? Or do I have to go into each user, one at a time, and fix them? Thanks! -- Steve

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Postorius not HTML-decoding < to "<" characters
by Ron / BCLUG Nov. 10, 2024

Nov. 10, 2024

Andy Smith wrote on 2024-10-30 20:59: > # Block access to the signup form from Tor exit nodes. > <Location /mailman/accounts/signup> > <RequireAll> > Require all granted > Include /etc/apache2/tor-exit-list.conf > </RequireAll> > </Location> If we look at the above message, there are less-than and greater-than symbols around the Apache keywords in the email as expected. If we look at the archived version of the message, we see a slightly mangled representation: # Block access to the signup form from Tor exit nodes. <Location /mailman/accounts/signup> <RequireAll> Require all granted Include /etc/apache2/tor-exit-list.conf </RequireAll> </Location> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Hopefully I've assigned the blame to Postorius accurately and no formatting nor archiving issues make the issue difficult to understand. Thanks.

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Create an eml command in a plugin
by antoine.depoisier＠ikmail.com Nov. 9, 2024

Nov. 9, 2024

I try to create an EML command to allow moderators to accept a subscription request made by an address. I created this command in CLI first, to test if it works, and it works well except to send the welcome message. After that, I tried to create the EML command in my plugin, and when I'm testing this command, nothing happens. Also, when using the command EML help, my command is not shown on the email sent. Maybe I missed something to add in the configurations files. Should I add some configuration files for this command ? Here are the working tree command_eml_addmember_mailman_plugin __init__.py commands __init__.py eml_accept.py cli_test_accept.py

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Postorius admin/user guide
by Florin Pasăre Nov. 8, 2024

Nov. 8, 2024

Hello, We're trying to update mailman to version 3 from version 2, and I can't seem to find some non-technical guide for Postorius, something like an owners manual for all the configurations available in Postorius. Is there such a thing? Thank you, Florin

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Members (and moderators) can't view the list of members.
by mrl＠psfc.mit.edu Nov. 7, 2024

Nov. 7, 2024

I installed Mailman 3 almost 2 years ago. I only now noticed that members of a mailing list can't view the list of members. Even moderators can't see the list. Only Owners. The error message is "You do not have permissions to visit this page." Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.12 (main, Jun 11 2023, 05:26:28) [GCC 11.4.0] Postorius Version 1.3.8 Any ideas? I did make a few "minor" changes to the code, but hopefully it didn't cause this problem. What file(s) contains the code that checks for permissions? Or maybe there is a config file? I also notice by default, for all users, in their "Global Mailman Preferences", the default setting for "Hide Address" is "Yes". How can I change that to be "No". And can I reset that setting for all my present users? Thanks. - Mark

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How to keep virtualenv install secure?
by Lichtinger, Bernhard Nov. 7, 2024

Nov. 7, 2024

Hi, I am looking for some advice: If we use the virtualenv install method, how does one keep track of security updates for all the installed dependencies? I can think of: - Upgrade regularly all installed packages inside the virtualenv. This might break mailman3 if there are incompatible updates. - Try to track all dependencies and check if there are security updates published. This might be impossible to achieve. - Security updates are so rare, we do not need to bother. ;) Thanks, Bernhard

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Abusive user creation - ideas for mitigating
by Andy Smith Nov. 7, 2024

Nov. 7, 2024

Hi, My mailman3.auth_users table contains 131 rows, of which 113 of them were created in the last week. All of these users have a 10 character long random string of lowercase letters as their chosen username. Their email addresses are all over the place. I only noticed this was happening because an unusual number of the subscription confirmation messages were bouncing back to me as postmaster, and I saw the unlikely user names. I matched up some of the date_joined timings with logs of HTTP POST to /mailman/accounts/signup and every single one so far was a unique IP address. So I am not going to get very far with firewalling. Does anyone have any suggestions what I can do to avoid this? Specifically what I would like to avoid is sending a confirmation email to these potentially innocent addresses. … Hmm, actually I've just noticed that all of them are Tor exit nodes. Looks like I could probably autogenerate an Apache ACL that lists all Tor exit nodes and bans them from posting to /mailman/accounts/signup. Thanks, Andy

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Backup and restore a single list
by sherin＠raidm.com Nov. 6, 2024

Nov. 6, 2024

Hello, I am new to mailman3 . I am looking for the procedure to backup and restore a single mailing list from mailman3. If any one know the procedure or the documentation , please point me

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Where to find disabled members?
by Bill Oliver Nov. 5, 2024

Nov. 5, 2024

Now that I have mailman running smoothly, I'm having to deal with a few other issues. When I changed vendors for my vps, my vendor gave me a static IP address that was apparently run by Satan himself. The ip address is -- or was -- on a number of blacklists. I have spent the past couple of weeks going through various appeals processes to get whitelisted, and I think I'm in good shape. In the meantime, a fair number of subscribers have been disabled. When I look at Postorius -> Settings -> Bounce processing, I see all of the policies I can play with, but I don't see how to a) See who is disabled, and b) un-disable them by hand or... do I just have to wait seven days for them to automatically get un-disabled? Thanks! billo

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member appears twice in list - how?
by Jose Bernal Nov. 5, 2024

Nov. 5, 2024

I've got a list member showing up twice in a list (same email address). Can't use the GUI to remove the member from this list (get a 503 error) Screenshots attached, underlying database query reveals no duplicates. Wondering how this is possible or where else I should be looking to resolve this duplicate before I simply remove their entry from the members table altogether. Thank you, --------------------- José Bernal Web/Application Engineer Cell 541-228-8481 jbernal.web.dev(a)gmail.com ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: Screen Shot 2024-11-05 at 10.53.55 AM.png Content-Type: image/png Name: Screen Shot 2024-11-05 at 10.59.12 AM.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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"held for moderation" - alias domain details sought
by Greg Newby Nov. 5, 2024

Nov. 5, 2024

Hi friends. I've viewed this old thread: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… and documentation here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… (and the Postfix docs it links to). Those documents don't seem to guide my situation, or maybe I just need a more specific example. The problem is that when messages are delivered to the alias domain, they are held for moderation. I.e., mail to the alias domain like testlist(a)domain.tld is held for moderation, but mail from the same subscribed, non-moderated user to testlist(a)lists.domain.tld is posted immediately without moderation. I wonder whether my main domain needs to be @domain.tld and my alias domain needs to be @lists.domain.tld - is that what I should try? Or, am I not setting up the alias domain correctly? Details: I'm writing to ask for advice so that mailman messages to address(a)domain.tld can also be sent to address(a)lists.domain.tld. There are various other non-Mailman addresses (local Unix accounts and aliases) handled by @domain.tld as well as @otherdomain.tld on the same server. I have a running 3.3.10 server (venv, using Postfix and PostgreSQL under Ubuntu 24.04LTS). The configured domain is of the form: lists.domain.tld and it's working ok. I put this in /etc/aliases and it seems to work, to forward messages from testlist(a)domain.tld to testlist(a)lists.domain.tld: testlist: testlist(a)lists.domain.tld I know it works because I see it in MM3's smtp.log and mailman.log, including a line like this in mailman.log: Oct 12 21:12:27 2024 (2560960) HOLD: testlist(a)lists.domain.tld post from gbnewby(a)petascale.org held, message-id=< CANLuyJZd8NNn5rOLe3XUhooG9F33U_7VOQXrS-7Z241koAV_Ww(a)mail.otherdomain.com>: Message has implicit destination And, indeed, the message is held for moderation. In the MM3 configuration panel for Domains ( https://lists.domain.tld/mailman3/domains/) I have put "domain.tld" in the "Alias domain" field. Thanks for any guidance. I appreciated seeing the recent threat about "redirecting -bounces replies" which also addresses alias domains. ~ Greg

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HSTS Missing from HTTPS Server
by jkoral＠luc.edu Nov. 5, 2024

Nov. 5, 2024

In my configuration, I am using Apache to reverse proxy the requests to a uwsgi. After our security office scanned the server, it was shown that HSTS is missing from the HTTPS server. The instructions say to add some lines to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/. The only file in there is 000-default.conf that holds the configuration, but the VirtualHost is port 80. I am using an F5 to to automatically redirect port 80 to port 443, but it is still showing this vulnerability. My question is, how can enable the Virtual Host for 443 on the server? Or can that configuration be located somewhere else? Or can I just create a new Virtual Host with the added configuration for mailman? Thanks, Joe Koral

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The dread "relay access denied" error
by Bill Oliver Nov. 5, 2024

Nov. 5, 2024

I've been trying to avoid asking this question since "relay access denied" problems are usually pretty silly configuration errors that I should pick up. But I've been staring at this for three days and I'm stumped. Once again here's the scenario. I set up mailman3 on Ubuntu 24.04 and it's running without a hitch, particularly now that I added the appropriate archival commands. I decided to create a backup on an older server of mine running Ubuntu 22.04. The setup is almost identical except for domain names. Unfortunately, in the second setup, I'm getting "relay access denied" to senders/recipients outside the host domain. Things go fine to list members on the local machine. Mailman is successfully sending admin mail to mailman(a)bill-oliver.com Mail not using mailman works fine. The domain where everything works is billoblog.com. The domain I'm setting up is bill-oliver.com Here's the error in syslog (mirrored in mail.log) on bill-oliver.com trying to talk to list members oliver(a)billoblog.com and billo(a)billoblog.com:: Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 162-144-108-19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19]: 454 4.7.1 <oliver(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied; from=<tradfp-bounces+oliver=billoblog.com(a)bill-oliver.com> to=<oliver(a)billoblog.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com> Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: disconnect from 162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19] ehlo=1 mail=2 rcpt=1/2 data=1 rset=1 quit=1 commands=7/8 Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: connect from 162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19] Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 162-144-108-19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19]: 454 4.7.1 <billo(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied; from=<tradfp-bounces+billo=billoblog.com(a)bill-oliver.com> to=<billo(a)billoblog.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<162-144-108-19.bluehost.com> Nov 1 21:24:52 mail postfix/smtpd[10193]: disconnect from 162-144-108- 19.bluehost.com[162.144.108.19] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=0/1 rset=1 quit=1 commands=4/5 Nov 1 21:25:48 mail dovecot: auth-worker(10954): Debug: conn unix:auth- worker (pid=10903,uid=116): Disconnected: Connection closed (fd=-1) Nov 1 21:25:48 mail dovecot: auth-worker(10954): Debug: mysql(localhost): Connection finished (queries=1, slow queries=0) Nov 1 21:27:28 mail dovecot: auth: Debug: mysql: Connection finished (queries=0, slow queries=0) FYI, 162-144-108-19.bluehost.com is my ip address and bluehost.com is the VPS vendor. I don't know why that pops up, since the domain is bill-oliver.com. I assume it's VPS-related magic. Here are similar errors in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/smtp.log: Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) Peer: ('162.144.108.19', 51476) Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) handling connection Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'LHLO mail.bill-oliver.com' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'MAIL FROM:<billo(a)billoblog.com> SIZE=1486 BODY=8BITMIME' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) sender: billo(a)billoblog.com Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'RCPT TO:<tradfp(a)lists.bill-oliver.com>' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) recip: tradfp(a)lists.bill-oliver.com Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'DATA' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) >> b'QUIT' Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) connection lost Nov 01 21:22:46 2024 (1573) ('162.144.108.19', 51476) Connection lost during _handle_client() Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> recipients refused: {'oliver(a)billoblog.com': (454, b'4.7.1 <oliver(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied')} Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> recipients refused: {'billo(a)billoblog.com': (454, b'4.7.1 <billo(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied')} Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> smtp to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com for 2 recips, completed in 0.27154111862182617 seconds Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> post to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com from billo(a)billoblog.com, 1448 bytes, 2 failures Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> delivery to oliver(a)billoblog.com failed with code 454, b'4.7.1 <oliver(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied' Nov 01 21:22:48 2024 (1574) <cbacd3866ebdfeeb706993996ba84e67f7db5ad9.camel(a)billoblog.com> delivery to billo(a)billoblog.com failed with code 454, b'4.7.1 <billo(a)billoblog.com>: Relay access denied' Nov 01 21:24:11 2024 (1574) <173051065026.1640.13931339026208387550(a)162-144-108-19.bluehost.com> smtp to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com for 1 recips, completed in 0.24669885635375977 seconds Nov 01 21:24:11 2024 (1574) <173051065026.1640.13931339026208387550(a)162-144-108-19.bluehost.com> post to tradfp(a)bill-oliver.com from tradfp-request(a)bill-oliver.com, 1222 bytes I have gone over my main.cf and master.cf a zillion times. Worse, I've compared them with the same files in the setup that works, and I can't find a significant error) though things are in a slightly different order. I don't know if I'm missing something big or am just a poor proofreader. Any ideas would be appreciated. Here's the obligatory main.cf and master.cf in /etc/postfix. I use dovecot and virtual domains and virtual mailboxex administered using postfixadmin. Here's the main.cf: # See /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, more complete version # Debian specific: Specifying a file name will cause the first # line of that file to be used as the name. The Debian default # is /etc/mailname. #myorigin = /etc/mailname smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no # appending .domain is the MUA's job. append_dot_mydomain = no # Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings #delay_warning_time = 4h readme_directory = no # See http://www.postfix.org/COMPATIBILITY_README.html -- default to 3.6 on # fresh installs. compatibility_level = 3.6 #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix receives incoming emails smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.bill- oliver.com/fullchain.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.bill- oliver.com/privkey.pem smtpd_tls_security_level=may smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix sends outgoing emails smtp_tls_CApath=/etc/ssl/certs smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains myhostname = mail.bill-oliver.com alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = /etc/mailname mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost relayhost = mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 mail.bill- oliver.com bill-oliver.com lists.bill-oliver.com virtual_mailbox_limit = 0 mailbox_size_limit = 0 message_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = ipv4 #Enforce TLSv1.3 or TLSv1.2 smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp smtputf8_enable = no virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.c f hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap #virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail virtual_minimum_uid = 2000 virtual_uid_maps = static:2000 virtual_gid_maps = static:2000 policyd-spf_time_limit = 3600 smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination, check_policy_service unix:private/policyd-spf smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination # Milter configuration milter_default_action = accept milter_protocol = 6 smtpd_milters = local:opendkim/opendkim.sock non_smtpd_milters = $smtpd_milters unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 ########################################### Here's the master.cf (comments deleted) : smtp inet n - y - - smtpd submission inet n - y - - smtpd -o syslog_name=postfix/submission -o smtpd_tls_security_level=encrypt -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=no -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_relay_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticate d,reject -o smtpd_sasl_type=dovecot -o smtpd_sasl_path=private/auth smtps inet n - y - - smtpd -o syslog_name=postfix/smtps -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticate d,reject -o smtpd_relay_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject -o smtpd_sasl_type=dovecot -o smtpd_sasl_path=private/auth pickup unix n - y 60 1 pickup cleanup unix n - y - 0 cleanup qmgr unix n - n 300 1 qmgr tlsmgr unix - - y 1000? 1 tlsmgr rewrite unix - - y - - trivial-rewrite bounce unix - - y - 0 bounce defer unix - - y - 0 bounce trace unix - - y - 0 bounce verify unix - - y - 1 verify flush unix n - y 1000? 0 flush proxymap unix - - n - - proxymap proxywrite unix - - n - 1 proxymap smtp unix - - y - - smtp relay unix - - y - - smtp -o syslog_name=postfix/$service_name showq unix n - y - - showq error unix - - y - - error retry unix - - y - - error discard unix - - y - - discard local unix - n n - - local virtual unix - n n - - virtual lmtp unix - - y - - lmtp anvil unix - - y - 1 anvil scache unix - - y - 1 scache postlog unix-dgram n - n - 1 postlogd uucp unix - n n - - pipe flags=Fqhu user=uucp argv=uux -r -n -z -a$sender - $nexthop!rmail ($recipient) policyd-spf unix - n n - 0 spawn user=policyd-spf argv=/usr/bin/policyd-spf Thanks, billo

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How to fix: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP)
by Jigme Datse Nov. 2, 2024

Nov. 2, 2024

This feels like something that I should have working. I know I've not been attending to things all that well, so the thing that has happened, that's got us from, "possibly doing nothing," to throwing this error is that I went to update my mail server, and in the update, Mailman3 stopped working entirely (it was a variety of things), but now it's launching, and will load the main web interface... but Going to any of the list pages, gives the above Error. Well, not exactly the above error, Django is in square brackets. OK, that will work better for me with the how to fix. How to fix, probably isn't quite what I'm looking for, it's how to diagnose. The error tells me that the IP address is 127.0.0.1 and that 127.0.0.1 is in the ALLOWED_HOSTS. I *mostly* see this coming from Google, but when I go and look at the webpage, I get: normal page at /mailman3/lists/ But my lists, all give me... Something went wrong HTTP error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} I've tried to figure out where to go from here, and right now I'm not making any progress, so I thought I'd ask here.

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Do i need a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file?
by Bill Oliver Oct. 30, 2024

Oct. 30, 2024

While trying to set up my new mailman installation in Ubuntu 22.04, which doesn't quite work yet, I decided to compare my config files with my Ubuntu 24.04 LTS installation, which does seem to work to the degree I've tested it. I noticed this little snippet in the settings.py file: # Set this to match the api_key setting in # /opt/mailman/mm/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg (quoted here, not there). MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'Secret_Hyperkitty_API_Key' Aha, I thought. I should have changed that. Then I noticed that I didn't even have a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file, and I can't find mention of it in the venv instructions. I *have* installed mailman- hyperkitty during the "pip install mailman-web mailman-hyperkitty" step. I did a "find" on /opt/mailman, and it doesn't seem the file is there at all. Do I need this file? I found a template here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/blob/master/mailman-hyperkitt… Do I need to copy and paste that in my installation? Thanks! billo

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Welcome message issue
by Mohsen Masoudfar Oct. 29, 2024

Oct. 29, 2024

Good afternoon I have an issue with welcome message. A list owner is requesting to update the welcome message for only one of their lists. They are requesting to change the default text and insert additional URLs pointing to sites related to their list. I know there is a URI field that you may include a web page. But this doesn't work and gets ignored. - is there a mailman cli option to update the default template for a single list? I couldn't find it in WUI. I reviewed all parameters and variables of the list and couldn't find one that might be related to it. We are running an old version of Mailman 3. Thanks Mohsen

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New installation, new issue: mailman3 migrate -- no module CommonMark
by Bill Oliver Oct. 27, 2024

Oct. 27, 2024

My Ubuntu 24.04 installation is working great, and I have a list running perfectly. I'm now trying to install mailman3 on an older server, this time runing ubuntu 22.04. I'm following the venv installation instructions again, but suddenly came up with a new error. I've made it to the "Run database migrations" section I run mailmanweb-migrate and get: (venv) mailman@mail:~$ mailman-web migrate Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 128, in get_package_libraries module = import_module(entry[1]) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1050, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1027, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 688, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 883, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 241, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/postorius/templatetags/markdown.py", line 21, in <module> from readme_renderer import markdown as md_render File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/readme_renderer/markdown.py", line 16, in <module> from CommonMark import commonmark ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'CommonMark' The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 87, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 442, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 436, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 412, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 458, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 106, in wrapper res = handle_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/commands/migrate.py", line 100, in handle self.check(databases=[database]) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 485, in check all_issues = checks.run_checks( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/checks/registry.py", line 88, in run_checks new_errors = check(app_configs=app_configs, databases=databases) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/core/checks/templates.py", line 60, in check_for_template_tags_with_the_same_name for module_name, module_path in get_template_tag_modules(): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 105, in get_template_tag_modules for name in get_package_libraries(pkg): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 130, in get_package_libraries raise InvalidTemplateLibrary( django.template.library.InvalidTemplateLibrary: Invalid template library specified. ImportError raised when trying to load 'postorius.templatetags.markdown': No mod ule named 'CommonMark' I know nothing about CommonMark. Since I've suffered the error cascade problem of trying to fix things and just making it worse, I stopped here. Can I ignore this error, or what can I do to fix it? Thanks! billo

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501 Message has defects
by jgn1980＠gmail.com Oct. 25, 2024

Oct. 25, 2024

Hi I'm using GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) on debian 12, and I have this issue on a scheduled e-mail, every day: 2024-10-25T04:00:04.874081+01:00 XXXXXXX postfix/lmtp[29258]: CEB32100F44: to=<XXX(a)XXX.XX>, relay=localhost[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0/0.01/0.01, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host localhost[127.0.0.1] said: 501 Message has defects (in reply to end of DATA command)) I have already changed some settings on the postfix and list configurations, without success. Outlook 365 and gmail receive the email without issues. Does anyone have any idea of how I can fix this? Thanks,

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Timeout error on anonymous subscribe
by vogt＠spamcop.net Oct. 25, 2024

Oct. 25, 2024

Hi, I am running a mailman 3.3.9 server (pip installation). It's working fine so far. However, I have problems setting a template. I set a '[list:user:action:subscribe]' template for a list with some simple text like "test1234". When someone wants to subscribe on the list page without creating an account, it takes five seconds until "HTTPSConnectionPool(host='lists.example.org', port=443): Read timed out. (read timeout=5)" appears on the page. The mail address has been added pending confirmation but no mail gets send. mailman.log shows just exceptions about the timeout itself: Sep 09 15:01:45 2024 (2070549) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 536, in _make_request response = conn.getresponse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ... requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='lists.dkrz.de', port=443): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) [09/Sep/2024:15:01:45 +0200] "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 400 132 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" The access log suggests that getting the template took 5s: ==> /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/access.log <== 127.0.0.1 - - [09/Sep/2024:13:01:45 +0000] "GET /mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.org/list:user:action:subscribe HTTP/1.1" 200 8 "-" "python-requests/2.32.3" Running curl on that url returns immediately $ curl -v 'http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.o…' I have captured the network traffic on localhost interface lo and I can see that the request is sent through the tcp connection and acknowledged. Then 5 seconds later the server (port 8000) sends a push data with the response and closes the connection with FIN. The data exchanged on the connection looks like this: GET /mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.org/list:user:action:subscribe HTTP/1.1 Host: lists.example.org User-Agent: python-requests/2.32.3 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate Accept: */* X-Forwarded-Proto: https X-Forwarded-For: 2001:638:1234:1224::111 X-Forwarded-Host: lists.example.org X-Forwarded-Server: lists.example.org Connection: Keep-Alive HTTP/1.1 200 OK Server: gunicorn Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2024 13:01:45 GMT Connection: close Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff Referrer-Policy: same-origin Cross-Origin-Opener-Policy: same-origin X-Frame-Options: DENY Vary: Accept-Language, Cookie Content-Language: en Content-Length: 8 test1234 The timestamp 13:01:45 is the time of the timeout. The request started five seconds before that. It looks to me as if the connection/keepalive handling is not working properly or the server isn't pushing the response immediately, but it gets buffered until the 5s timeout. Occassionally, I have capture a requests, where the client side would send a FIN to the server and only then the server would send the http response with the final packets. Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this? Thanks, Gerald

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User account issue after importing data from Mailman 2.x server
by dgoldsmith＠sans.org Oct. 24, 2024

Oct. 24, 2024

We finally migrated from Mailman 2.x to a Mailman 3.x several months ago. We have had some issues with people who are active list members not being able to login with their user creds and when trying to use the 'Forgot Password' link to reset, being told their user account does not exist. They can submit email to the list and get copied on other list traffic. I just started looking at a user and a list in both the Postorius and Django admin web UIs and found: - in Postorius: - list exists, has 20K plus subscribed members and has 3 list owners - user exists and is subscribed to this list - in Django: - in HyperKitty section - in the Mailing lists page, the list exists, no idea about members BUT it has 147 owners (also the same 147 moderators) - in the Emails page, there are 149K plus entries - in the Profiles page, there are 147 entries - in the Accounts->Email addresses page, there are only 155 entries - in the AUTHENTICATION AND AUTHORIZATION->Users page, there are 147 entries Should Mailman 3.x have created user accounts for everyone when importing the data from the old server? To correct the issue on a case by case basis, can I as a server admin do something via the web UI or CLI or do we need to remove the email address from the list and ask the person to create a new account using that address and to resubscribe to the specific list or other? Thanks, David Goldsmith

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Logging subscribes/unsubscribes
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 22, 2024

Oct. 22, 2024

Does Mailman 3 log subscribes and unsubscribes for each list the way Mailman 2 did? Brian

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Add domain to Mailman, can't create list with that new domain
by Andy Matthews Oct. 22, 2024

Oct. 22, 2024

I'm testing locally to try and support additional domains. I can add new mailing lists with a domain: announce-123(a)mydomain.com I can't add a new mailing list with an alternate domain: announce-123(a)testing.com Following the documentation for domains I'm able to successfully add the new domain (locally) with the following steps: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… 1. Shell into the mailman server 2. Shell into the mailman Python environment: mailman shell 3. Add a new mailing list. from mailman.interfaces.domain import IDomainManager from zope.component import getUtility manager = getUtility(IDomainManager) manager.add('testing.com') show_domains() # with method from the above documentation URL <Domain testing.com> <Domain mydomain.com> But then when I run a cURL command (from the mailman server) to add a list with that new domain I get an error: $ curl -k -u restadmin:restpass -X POST -H "Content-Type: application/json" --data '{"fqdn_listname": "new-list(a)testing.com"}' https://0.0.0.0:8001/3.1/lists {"title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Domain does not exist: testing.com"} Am I doing something wrong, or missing a step? If not, how do I add support for additional domains such that I can provide mailing list support for that domain?

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OK, so I backed out completely and re-installed. Here's my *original* error. Should I modify virtual mailbox maps?
by Bill Oliver Oct. 19, 2024

Oct. 19, 2024

OK, I think I was clearly in the phase of dealing with errors caused by my attempts to deal with previous errors. So I backed out and did a clean install. Again, the installl seemed to go without a problem. Then: 1) I set up a mailinglist (tradfp(a)forensicpath.us) for "old school" forensic pathologists to discuss cases. 2) I added a couple of users: oliver(a)billoblog.com on the same box as the mailinglist, though on different virtual domains, and william.oliver(a)knoxcounty.org, a local government domain not associated with my box. Results: The welcome message did not get delivered to either address. When I send email from those addresses to tradfp(a)forensicpath.us, I get the following error from both: Your message couldn't be delivered The message you sent to tradfp(a)forensicpath.us couldn't be delivered due to: Recipient email address is possibly incorrect. Further information 5.1.1 <tradfp(a)forensicpath.us>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table If you sent this message to multiple addresses, you'll receive a notification like this for every one that didn't arrive. That is when I started going down the dovecot rabbit hole. Here's the (what I think is relevant) part of the mail.cf file: virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.c f virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail virtual_minimum_uid = 900 virtual_uid_maps = static:900 virtual_gid_maps = static:900 transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains In my previous attempt, I added hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp to both virtual_mailbox_maps and virtual_alias_maps, but I haven't done that yet here. I thought I'd ask and make sure I should. Should that be my next step? Thanks, billo

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Debug=False breaks Django/MM3-Login-page
by Stefan Bauer Oct. 18, 2024

Oct. 18, 2024

Hi folks, I'm trying to hide the custom 404 error messages from Django. ------------------------- Page not found (404) Request Method: GET Request URL: http://......./non-existent-2008020390 Using the URLconf defined in mailman_web.urls, Django tried these URL patterns, in this order: mailman3/ archives/ ^user-profile/delete$ [name='mm_user_account_delete'] ^user-profile/$ [name='mm_user_profile'] accounts/ admin/ postorius/ hyperkitty/ The current path, non-existent-2008020390, didn’t match any of these. You’re seeing this error because you have DEBUG = True in your Django settings file. Change that to False, and Django will display a standard 404 page. ----------------------------- Switching DEBUG=True (currently set in settings.py) to false does indeed hide additional debugging output, but following pages are not accessible anymore (Server Error). user-profile/ accounts/logout/ hyperkitty/ Switching back to DEBUG=True brings back accessibility. This is Mailman Core-Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API-Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python-Version 3.10.12 (main, Sep 11 2024, 15:47:36) [GCC 11.4.0] any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you. Stefan

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adding personalized email header/content in mailman 3
by Alex I Oct. 17, 2024

Oct. 17, 2024

adding personalized email header/content Hello, I'm upgrading from mailman 2.1 and need to have personalized email header and content. In 2.1 eventually (couldn't get custom handler work) I had to modify Decorate.py handler. Basically encrypting email and passing it as a parameter in google required One-click unsubscribe email header link (same in the message body). I tried creating a custom Handler (custom_header.py) in 3.3.19, adding outgoing_pipeline = custom_header in config [mta] section but it doesn't seem to be activating. Thanks

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Verification emails 'helo' rejected
by Greg Newby Oct. 16, 2024

Oct. 16, 2024

Hi friends. I'm now getting a 500 server error upon signing up a new username on the web-based front end. The username is created in the back end, but the verification email does not get sent. This is GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer), venv, Ubuntu 24.04LTS, PostgreSQL, Postfix Here are the corresponding logfile entries from mailmanweb.log: smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused: {'redacted(a)gmail.com': (504, b'5.5.2 <mail>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname')} and from mail.log: Oct 14 12:06:26 domain postfix/smtpd[722764]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from localhost[127.0.0.1]: 504 5.5.2 <mail>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; from=<root(a)lists.domain.tld> to=<root@localhost> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail> lists.domain.tld is the domain for Mailman3. I don't know why it's trying to send email from root@. I've seen places where 'localhost' appears in the Mailman settings (settings.py, mailman.cfg, mailman-web.py), and tried changing them to the host's FQDN and restarting mailman3 and mailman3-web, but the problem persists. Suggestions will be appreciated. ~ Greg

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mailmanweb/django?: too many postgresql DB connections
by api＠egartech.com Oct. 16, 2024

Oct. 16, 2024

Hello, I'm migrating from mailman 2.1 to the latest version (3.3.9) on Almalinux 9 (python 3.19, postgresql 13.16). Have followed the instructions here https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-install to perform a clean install on a new VM. Everything seems to be working (well, I just created one list and doing some basic tests). What I have noticed is hundreds of PGsql connections from mailmanweb. Once mailmanweb service is started there are new non-stop DB connections requests (from Django I guess), here is just 1 second from PGsql log: 2024-10-10 12:15:37.112 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3747 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.113 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3746) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.318 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3748 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.318 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3747) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.523 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3749 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.524 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3748) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.728 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3750 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.729 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3749) exited with exit code 0 2024-10-10 12:15:37.934 EDT [3217] DEBUG: forked new backend, pid=3751 socket=10 2024-10-10 12:15:37.935 EDT [3217] DEBUG: server process (PID 3750) exited with exit code 0 Few minutes later there are around 300 dead (TIME_WAIT) connections to port 5432 like these: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:33728 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40392 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:50860 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40254 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40218 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40110 127.0.0.1:5432 TIME_WAIT I'm totally unfamiliar with Django so not sure where even to look, but that doesn't looks right to me. Thanks

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Database permission problem?
by Bill Oliver Oct. 16, 2024

Oct. 16, 2024

I have mailman3 installed and mostly configured on a linux machine running ubuntu 24.04. I can use mailmanweb to add and delete mailinglists and users. However, mail is not getting delivered at all. I have both mysql and postgres installed -- I'm using postgres only for mailman, and mysql for dovecot and postfix. Mail, in general, works fine. I'm hosting four virtual domains on this box, and mail to and from all of them to many users gives me no errors. When I add a new user (and thus try to send a welcome message) mail.err log gives me: 2024-10-15T12:40:11.193687-04:00 mail postfix/virtual[960838]: error: open database /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp.db: Permission denied I've tried playing with file permissions. I put postfix,mail, and vmail in the mailman group, and tried giving ownership of postfix_domains, postfix_lmtp, and postfix_vmap to user postfix, but that changed nothing. Currently, it sits at: root:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data# ls -l total 36 -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 0 Oct 15 12:53 postfic_vmap.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 postfic_vmap.db.db -rw-rw---- 1 postfix mailman 353 Oct 13 07:54 postfix_domains -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 0 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_domains.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_domains.db.db -rw-rw---- 1 postfix mailman 1155 Oct 13 07:54 postfix_lmtp -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 0 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_lmtp.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 postfix mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_lmtp.db.db -rw-rw---- 1 postfix mailman 1118 Oct 13 07:54 postfix_vmap So, I'm assuming this is a database permissions error, but I don't know how to fix it. As an aside, my main.cf is below. Any help would be appreciated. billo %cat main.cf smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no # appending .domain is the MUA's job. append_dot_mydomain = no # Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings #delay_warning_time = 4h readme_directory = no # See http://www.postfix.org/COMPATIBILITY_README.html -- default to 3.6 on # fresh installs. compatibility_level = 3.6 #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix receives incoming emails smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.forensicpath.us/fullchai n.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mail.forensicpath.us/privkey.p em smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_security_level=may smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache #Enable TLS Encryption when Postfix sends outgoing emails smtp_tls_CApath=/etc/ssl/certs smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination myhostname = mail.forensicpath.us alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = /etc/mailname mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost relayhost = mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 mailbox_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = ipv4 #Enforce TLSv1.3 or TLSv1.2 smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 smtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3, !TLSv1, !TLSv1.1 mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp smtputf8_enable = no virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_mailbox_maps.cf #added 20241009 for mailman hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp ${dovecot} virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/mysql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.c f #added 20241009 for mailman hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail virtual_minimum_uid = 900 virtual_uid_maps = static:900 virtual_gid_maps = static:900 policyd-spf_time_limit = 3600 smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, defer_unauth_destination, check_policy_service unix:private/policyd-spf # Milter configuration milter_default_action = accept milter_protocol = 6 smtpd_milters = local:opendkim/opendkim.sock non_smtpd_milters = $smtpd_milters #Mailman transport stuff transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp ${dovecot} relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains

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max_day_to_hold - when in force?
by Wikinaut Oct. 15, 2024

Oct. 15, 2024

There are quite few discussions (back to 2020) dealing with the variable max_day_to_hold and the (non-) handling of the set value, I found for example Marc's comment https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… : I'm really not sure what you are looking to do, but I can tell you that while the max_days_to_hold list attribute exists and can be set, the actual discarding of held messages older than max_days_to_hold is not implemented. Thus the setting currently does nothing. My question: Are there any plans to bring this into action, so that held messages are really discarded after that number of days? (like it was in mailman2)?

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're' problem is sending messages to queue/shunt for an entire domain
by Greg Newby Oct. 15, 2024

Oct. 15, 2024

Hi friends. I have multiple domains under MM3 (venv, postfix+postgres, Ubuntu 24.04LTS). Currently at version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer). Following some user complaints, I've discovered that one of the domains isn't working at all. Messages arrive via postfix and are in the MM smtp.log, but then generate a Python error in mailman.log. Other domains are working as usual. The lists in this domain used to work (I can see messages in the archives, and have received copies). But I imported a bunch more MM2 lists since then, and perhaps there is a problem with one of their configurations. Pointers to how to fix this will be appreciated! Here is the error from ~mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log: ==> mailman.log <== Oct 13 23:27:34 2024 (365022) Uncaught runner exception: multiple repeat at position 11 Oct 13 23:27:34 2024 (365022) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 272, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/runners/incoming.py", line 80, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, start_chain) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/chains.py", line 57, in process if link.rule.check(mlist, msg, msgdata): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/rules/banned_address.py", line 40, in check if ban_manager.is_banned(sender): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/bans.py", line 103, in is_banned re.match(ban.email, email, re.IGNORECASE) is not None): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/__init__.py", line 167, in match return _compile(pattern, flags).match(string) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/__init__.py", line 307, in _compile p = _compiler.compile(pattern, flags) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_compiler.py", line 745, in compile p = _parser.parse(p, flags) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 979, in parse p = _parse_sub(source, state, flags & SRE_FLAG_VERBOSE, 0) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 460, in _parse_sub itemsappend(_parse(source, state, verbose, nested + 1, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 690, in _parse raise source.error("multiple repeat", re.error: multiple repeat at position 11 Followed by a message that it's going to queue/shunt: Oct 13 23:15:25 2024 (365022) SHUNTING: 1728886525.4656847+d1a03bf710a246d029a087eabd40bed11c1af4b5 ... where it stays. Delivery never happens. I've tried with listname(a)lists.domain.tld as well as listname-owner(a)lists.domain.tld. The lists in the domain seem to be set up properly -- they used to work fine! I am suspicious the problem happened when I imported some other lists, but those imports didn't cause any errors. I've done the usual sequence of restarting mailman services, rebooting the server, double-checking the configuration files, and reviewing the list settings. Thanks for your help! ~ Greg

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Search function returning results from another list
by Marco van Tol Oct. 15, 2024

Oct. 15, 2024

Hi there, We have several lists on our list server here, and noticed that if we do this: - go to the archive of public list x - type in "minutes" in the search bar If will: - show a screen: list-x search results for query "minutes" - have 3 results in there for another private list - show a message that you need to login to view the message if you click on one Our current mailman core version is: 3.3.9 Our current hyperkitty version is: 1.3.10 Our index engine is: xapian_backend.XapianEngine Does this make sense? Thanks! Marco van Tol RIPE NCC

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Recently redeployed mailman3 and then received huge amount of subscription disabled notification emails
by francesd919＠gmail.com Oct. 12, 2024

Oct. 12, 2024

Hi everyone, I recently redeployed our mailman3 server. As the owner for one of our mailing lists, I received a huge amount of subscription disabled notification emails. These emails mentioned that the subscription was disabled due to bounce score. Furthermore, we received a few emails from our subscribers saying that they have functioning email addresses and not sure why there were bounces and that their subsctiptions had been disabed. I have some questions: 1. Why do mailman mass send out subscription disabled notification emails to admins after it's been redeployed? 2. I have "Bounce disable warnings" set to 3 and "Bounce disabled warnings interval" set to 7d. How come there are still so many emails seem to be disabled but not unsubscribed? Hence we receiving so many subscription disabled notification emails. 3. What could have cuased functioning emails to bounce and therefore being disabled? Thank you in advance! Frances 3.

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mailman changeaddress: Address already exists; can't change
by joelbrownstein＠computer.org Oct. 12, 2024

Oct. 12, 2024

Hi, We migrated ~100 lists from mailman2 to mailman3 (very nice!) including > 6000 distinct email addresses ("subscribers"). I would like to run the mailman changeaddress command to do a global change of email for a member that moved. But they have other subscriptions using their new email, so both the old and new address are migrated to mailman3 as distinct "members", which prevents the mailman changeaddress from making the change with error: $ mailman changeaddress "EMAIL_1" "EMAIL_2" Usage: mailman changeaddress [OPTIONS] OLD_ADDRESS NEW_ADDRESS Try 'mailman changeaddress -h' for help. Error: Address "EMAIL_2" already exists; can't change. Is there a workaround? Thanks, Joel

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MM3 error on moderation request
by Odhiambo Washington Oct. 11, 2024

Oct. 11, 2024

MM3 - 3.3.10, Postorius 1.3.13. After receiving the notification to attend to a moderation request: ``` At your convenience, visit https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mm/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/hel… to approve or deny the request(s). ``` Upon visiting the link I ended up with a server error. mailmanweb.log has the below to say: ``` [ERROR] [2024-10-10 12:29:15,905] [log] 809040 139858772735552 Internal Server Error: /mm/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/held_messages Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 1026, in find_library return parser.libraries[name] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^ KeyError: 'humanize' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 23, in _wrapper_view return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 63, in wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 889, in list_moderation return render(request, 'postorius/lists/held_messages.html', context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 24, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 61, in render_to_string template = get_template(template_name, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 15, in get_template return engine.get_template(template_name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 33, in get_template return Template(self.engine.get_template(template_name), self) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/engine.py", line 175, in get_template template, origin = self.find_template(template_name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/engine.py", line 157, in find_template template = loader.get_template(name, skip=skip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loaders/cached.py", line 57, in get_template template = super().get_template(template_name, skip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loaders/base.py", line 28, in get_template return Template( ^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 154, in __init__ self.nodelist = self.compile_nodelist() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 200, in compile_nodelist return parser.parse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 513, in parse raise self.error(token, e) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 511, in parse compiled_result = compile_func(self, token) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 293, in do_extends nodelist = parser.parse() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 513, in parse raise self.error(token, e) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 511, in parse compiled_result = compile_func(self, token) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 1088, in load lib = find_library(parser, name) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 1028, in find_library raise TemplateSyntaxError( django.template.exceptions.TemplateSyntaxError: 'humanize' is not a registered tag library. Must be one of: account admin_list admin_modify admin_urls allauth bootstrap_tags cache compress d_gravatar date_helpers debugger_tags decorate gravatar highlight highlighting hk_generic hk_haystack i18n indent_text l10n log markdown membership_helpers more_like_this nav_helpers p_gravatar pagination postorius_helpers rest_framework socialaccount static syntax_color tz widont [WARNING] [2024-10-10 12:29:16,384] [log] 809040 139858704070336 Not Found: /mc/compose ``` How to fix? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Two trivial questons:
by Bill Oliver Oct. 10, 2024

Oct. 10, 2024

First: Last night I got everything installed and, I think, working. Unfortunately, I forgot to write down the name and password of the superuser I created. I know what I put in as password, but I cant' remamber the name of the superuser. I know I could just create another superuser with "mailmanweb createsuperuser" but I was wondering if there was a "mailmanweb" command for *listing* superusers. If not, I'll just make another superuser... Second: I have the "example.com" error in the login screen. The instructions state that this is a problem with making SITE_ID=1. Okay, but I don't know what to change it to. I tried SITE_ID=2 on a lark and everything broke, and the instruction say not to do SITE_ID=0. Apparently it has to be an integer (I also tried putting in site name and got that error). So... where do I change it? Thanks! billo

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Congrats on the instructions for installation on ubuntu, what about migration?
by Bill Oliver Oct. 9, 2024

Oct. 9, 2024

So I went ahead and tried to install mailman3 on ubuntu 24.04 using the virtual environment approach. It worked like a charm. There were a very few glitches, all from me not reading the instructions closely (e.g. not replacing MY_SERVER with my server name, Doh). The whole thing, from start to finish was about two hours. I appreciate all y'alls efforts in this. The reason I'm doing this is that I'm having to migrate from a server that's going to be defunct soon. I've been running a mailman3 mailing list on that for a few years. Is there a tutorial/instructions on migrating data from an old system to a new one? It's actually not the end of the world if I don't get all the old emails transferred, but I'd like to get the email addresses of the participants moved over easily... I believe that I set it up in 2020, but did not do any version upgrades since then... Thanks! billo

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anomalous behavior
by donato＠molino.it Oct. 5, 2024

Oct. 5, 2024

Hi, I installed mailman-full on debian 12. Everything works perfectly except for the fact that for a single ML the messages are not delivered to the recipients. I have three MLs: 1) example(a)example.com 2) test(a)example.com 3) hello(a)example.com For the n. 2 and 3 are fine, but 1 doesn't deliver. The configurations are identical for all 3: smtp.log:Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 37912) Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) handling connection Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'LHLO list.example.com' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'MAIL FROM:<subscriber(a)domain.tld> SIZE=7873 BODY=7BIT' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) sender: subscriber(a)domain.tld Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'RCPT TO:<example(a)list.example.com>' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) recip: example(a)list.example.com Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'DATA' Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'QUIT' I also enabled all debugging in mailman.cfg. But everything is fine Thanks Donato

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Should I try to install mailman3 on Kubuntu 20.04?
by Bill Oliver Oct. 5, 2024

Oct. 5, 2024

I have been a happy camper running mailman3 on a vps I rent from a vendor, running CentOS 7. CentOS 7 is past end of life, so I moving over to a new machine running Kubuntu 20.04 LTS. I have been searching the intertubes and have seen a bunch of people having headaches trying it. So... Is Ubuntu 20.04 cool with mailman3? Should I go ahead and give it a shot or use a different distro? Should I do the apt install, the virtualenv install, or try the docker install? thanks billo

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reset bounce-scores?
by IEM Network Operation Center (IOhannes m zmölnig) Oct. 4, 2024

Oct. 4, 2024

i'm running a mailman-3.3.8 instance, and would like to reset the bounce-score for a (number of) user(s). i searched the internet and this list's archives, but haven't found anything useful so far. due to a misconfiguration of our universities reverse DNS lookup, the bounce score of some users has rocketed in the last days - some users have already been unsubscribed because of that. could anybody please share how i can reset the bounce score? gfmasdr IOhannes ___________________________________________ Die Inhaltsfilterung von Mailman hat die folgenden MIME-Teile aus dieser Nachricht entfernt. Content-Type: application/pgp-keys Name: OpenPGP_0xB65019C47F7A36F8.asc

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Confusing order of checkboxes in Postorius
by Markus Grandpré Oct. 2, 2024

Oct. 2, 2024

Dear list, dear Mailman3 developers, dear Mark Sapiro, in Postorius under "Mass operations / Mass subscribe" we find the order of the checkboxes confusing: 1. Pre confirm 2. Pre approved 3. Pre Verified 4. Invitation We think it would be easier for us and our mailing list administrators to understand the interaction of these settings if they were displayed in the following order: 1. Pre confirm 2. Pre Verified 3. Pre approved 4. Invitation as in our opinion "Pre confirm" and "Pre Verified" belong together more than "Pre confirm" and "Pre approved". Incidentally, a typing error has crept into the term "Pre Verified". It should read "Pre verified". Yours sincerely, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Mailman Core release
by Abhilash Raj Oct. 2, 2024

Oct. 2, 2024

Hey Everyone! I am pleased to announce new release of Mailman Core 3.3.10. This includes both bug fixes and new features. A full list of changes can be found at the usual location[1]. This release includes a Breaking change and nntp runner no longer starts automatically in the default release. You can easily enable the runner by updating your `mailman.cfg`. See the release notes[1] for details on how. This release can be downloaded from PyPI[2] or using `pip install mailman==3.3.10`. For those interested in package signatures, both the source tarball and built wheel are available in Gitlab releases[3] along with their signatures. [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [2]: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/ [3]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/releases/v3.3.10 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Default values for lists in Mailman 3
by Markus Grandpré Sept. 30, 2024

Sept. 30, 2024

Dear list, I would like to activate the invitation setting for all lists as default. In Mailman 2.1 I have done this in the file </etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py>: DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes How can I do this in Mailman 3? Can I also transfer other default values like: ... DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2 DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 ... from the very same configuration file to Mailman 3? Is there a documentation of the default values for lists in Mailman 3? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Clearing webserver cache - Nginx
by Odhiambo Washington Sept. 29, 2024

Sept. 29, 2024

I am having an ugly-looking https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/ page because of cached content: ``` 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 694#694: *9562 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.6dab123e4897.css" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 172.70.111.39, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/css/output.6dab123e4897.css HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 694#694: *9564 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.158acc288604.css" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 162.158.159.31, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/css/output.158acc288604.css HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 705#705: *9566 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/js/output.3aaa7705d68a.js" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 162.158.63.166, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/js/output.3aaa7705d68a.js HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" ``` That IP address appearing there is not my actual IP, but Cloudflare's, which is acting as proxy for the site. Having cleared MM3-web cache, is there anything else I can easily do (apart from disabling CF proxying) to help deal with the above issue? Or am I barking the wrong tree? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Migrating archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3
by Markus Grandpré Sept. 28, 2024

Sept. 28, 2024

Dear List, I have a question about migrating archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3: Is it possible to migrate only the archive of a list, but not the list? Best regards, Markus -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Help Setting Up Mailman 3 on an Ubuntu Server
by smith.ja1ck＠gmail.com Sept. 26, 2024

Sept. 26, 2024

Hello All Community Member, I am in the process of setting up Mailman 3 on an Ubuntu 22.04 server & have faced some challenges during the configuration phase. Also I have followed the installation guide & while Mailman Core and Postorius seem to be working I am struggling to configure the Mailman web interface correctly with NGINX. Also I have tried a few different configurations for the reverse proxy but I m running into 502 Bad Gateway errors. Does anyone have experience setting up Mailman 3 with NGINX who might be able to offer some guidance? ?I am interested in seeing a working configuration file for NGINX and any tips on troubleshooting Mailman 3 issues during this phase. As well, I found these resources when doing research on this; https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… https://redacted If anyone have any resources, tutorials or personal experiences please share with me, It would be greatly appreciated!!

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Managing users in postorius
by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis Sept. 25, 2024

Sept. 25, 2024

In our environment, people have multiple email addresses, any/all of which might be used as members or admin addresses. I try to steer people in the right direction, but inevitably, we end up with people registering the ‘wrong’ address or even both addresses. I don’t seem to have very much control with the site admin account. I’d like the ability to add a secondary address for a user instead of talking them through the process of doing it themselves. Is there a way that I’m not aware of? Additionally, when I look up users and choose ‘manage’, it only lists a person’s member roles. It doesn’t list any other roles (owner/admin, moderator, etc). Any way to fix that? I’m also curious what the process would be for merging two postorius accounts into one? My thought process was that I should remove one and then have the user add that email address to the other account. But, if you delete the account, it will unsubscribe the user. Thank you Tom Lieuallen Oregon State University

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Mailman3 migration and/or archiving problem
by hnpilot＠phnet.fi Sept. 25, 2024

Sept. 25, 2024

I have installed a mailman3 server following this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… After a few hiccups I got mailman and postorius working and migrated one list according to this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html It seemed to work and also hyperkitty_import was run without errors (or at least none shown up). Running update_index command said that there were 0 threads copied but I kjnow that the archive isn't empty. But now when I tried to open the list info page from lists view it dies with 500 error. After diving into the different log files I found an error message that it cannot find /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg. Great. Only that the cfg file exists and seems to my (unexpert) eyes correct. After that problem I tried to create a new list. Creation seemed to go all right but also with it, trying to open the list info page it shows 500 error. When googling for a solution I landed on a message stating that there might be double entries for the same list in listarchiver table but when I checked ot turns out that the table is empty! I am a bit confused how to figure out the base cause of the problem and would very much appreciate any pointers. wbr hank

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Can we let member moderation settings be considered after the header filters let the message through?
by Marco van Tol Sept. 24, 2024

Sept. 24, 2024

Hi there, We're trying to set up a list with a header filter to discard spam messages. The spam messages are tagged with a specific header before getting handed over to mailman3. Messages from non-members are correctly discarded by the header filter before hitting the moderation queue. But messages from members get moderated before getting discarded by the header filters. For this particular list we also moderate the members of the list. The default action for members is set to "hold for moderation". We would like to also discard spam messages from members before they become moderated. The X-Mailman-Rule-* headers on spam messages from members in the moderation queue look like this: ---- X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: member-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address ---- Is there any way we can discard spam messages from members before they become moderated? Thanks so much in advance! Marco van Tol RIPE NCC

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Feedback mailman 3.3.10b1
by Andreas Schneider Sept. 24, 2024

Sept. 24, 2024

Hi, I've packaged 3.3.10b1 for openSUSE [1] and installed it on my server. It works fine for me, I don't see any issues. Best regards Andreas [1] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:gladiac:mailman/python-mailman -- Andreas Schneider asn(a)cryptomilk.org GPG-ID: 8DFF53E18F2ABC8D8F3C92237EE0FC4DCC014E3D

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Read mailing list config via CLI
by Andy Matthews Sept. 24, 2024

Sept. 24, 2024

I'm working on a feature to allow configuration of mailing lists using the REST API. The docs show how to do this: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… But I'd like to be able to verify settings using the mailman command or Python shell; and surprisingly I can't find where in the docs it shows how you can read settings on a per-list basis. I'm fine with either option, but I've spent about an hour digging through source code and docs and I'm not finding it. Would someonebe so kind as to point out how I can inspect configuration on a list by list basis? TIA.

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New Mailman web package releases
by Abhilash Raj Sept. 21, 2024

Sept. 21, 2024

Hello Everyone, I have just released Postorius 1.3.13 and Hyperkitty 1.3.12. These can be downloaded from PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/HyperKitty/1.3.12/ https://pypi.org/project/postorius/1.3.13 Note that due to some mistakes on my part, last 2 releases for Postorius & Hyperkitty were yanked since their builds uploaded to PyPI weren't correct due to some mis-configurations migrating from setuptools to pyproject.toml (with pdm) based package configuration. So, when updating from last installed versions, please look at the changelogs from older versions too for both these packages. Their changelogs are available in the usual places: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html Since PyPI doesn't accept signatures anymore, I have uploaded packages and their signatures to Gitlab releases in their respective repositories too. A note for people using my signature for verification: I had to extend my gpg key's validity, so you'll need to refresh my public keys to validate the signature this time. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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MM3 Bounces status
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Sept. 21, 2024

Sept. 21, 2024

Hi, I have some lists which are used primarily as a distribution method (rather than chat) and the person who uses these lists doesn't have access to the detailed MM logs and is not interested in that. It would be very helpful for message bounces (& any other anomalous events, if any) were to be available to that person for each message that is sent out, in a manner similar to mailgun et al. I know something of the bounce processing MM3 does, but it seems to be totally hidden from e.g. the postorius end of things (unless I'm missing something?). Is there a way for bounce events to be emailed to the list owner, or for something to be available in postorius to show this info? If not in the standard package, do other people have ad-hoc solutions to this issue? My ideal option would be for a configurable per-message email or postorius link that reports the number of emails to send (=number in mlist), the number on 'no-mail', the number sent successfully (=no bounce?), the emails of those who bounced (with bounce score), and emails of blocked sends (eg by multiple bounces). So for example: Bounce report for listname: Email Subject: Announcement Sent: today at time From Email: user(a)example.com received (today at time) To List: listname(a)example.com with 100 subscribers; 89 successful; 4 bounces; 3 blocks; 4 nomail; Bounces: - foo(a)bar.example.com (no mailbox) - bar23(a)foo.example.com (timeout) - alice(a)baz.example.org (mailbox full) - bob(a)example.net (bounce-reason) Blocked: - foo(a)bob.example.com (score 3) - bar23(a)alice.example.com (admin ban) - alice(a)alice.example.org (score 2) I suspect that my ideal option would require changes to the internal processing, because MM would need to keep more information about bounces than I think it currently does. It might also need to retain more information about LMTP delivery statuses? Thanks in hope? Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog:http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn:http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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CSV import for mass subscription
by Markus Grandpré Sept. 20, 2024

Sept. 20, 2024

Dear list, we noticed that there is a function to convert the member list into a CSV format and save it.Therefore, we would like to know if the implementation of a CVS import for mass subscription is already planned? If not, how can we submit a corresponding feature request? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Questions regarding message acceptance
by Pawel Grzywaczewski Sept. 19, 2024

Sept. 19, 2024

Hello, I have few questions regarding usage of Mailman3: 1) We have list1 and list2 with members. Can we specify that all members of list1 can post messages to list2? We could potentially write a script that would synchronize members of another list to “Accept these non-members” of another list, but with thousands of lists it will be difficult to maintain lists in synchro. So perhaps there is a concept of adding another list to “Accept these non-members” and mailman real-time evaluate membership of another list upon message arrival? 2) In explanation of “Accept these non-members” it’s written: “While non-regexp addresses can be entered here, it is preferred to add the address as a nonmember and set the nonmember's Moderation to Default Processing”. I noticed that if someone posts to a list then he is added automatically to non-members. Which means that next time he will be able to post. My understanding is that it’s better to use the feature “Accept these non-members”. Am I correct? Thank you, Paweł

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Configure new list via REST API - trying to add moderators
by Andy Matthews Sept. 19, 2024

Sept. 19, 2024

I'm stepping into some existing code which creates a new list via the REST API. I know this works because I can shell into the mailman3 box and run `mailman lists` and it shows the newly created list. We're also submitting list config options via the `/lists/<list id>/config` endpoint, but there's a specific key that we have in our config map that doesn't appear in the REST API docs and I'm wondering about it. We have an array of strings called `moderator` that appears to send successfully. But looking at the docs for "Mailing list configuration" (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) I don't see anything named `moderator` The "Managing owners and moderators" docs (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…) indicate that we can perform add owners and moderators via a Python shell, but don't indicate that it's possible to do it via REST. Is this true?

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Phantom Email Address in Nonmember List
by Steve Brown Sept. 18, 2024

Sept. 18, 2024

Have an issue that is more of a puzzle than a problem. No real harm done. So don't spend much time on it if you don't recognize the issue. I am administrator for a small list, radg(a)lists.radg.us, hosted by Mailmanlists.net. They are trying hard to figure it out but so far unsuccessful. Looking at the headers of emails sent from steve(a)stevebrown.us to the list and boomeranged back to me, I see a line “X-MailFrom: bounce+66273f.99dcd9c-radg=lists.radg.us(a)stevebrown.xn--us-02t. I gather that it is designating the return path where a message would be sent if there was a delivery problem. From its position in the header, I suspect it is added as they pass through Mailgun, maybe related to DKIM. I am hoping you might know why that bounce address is recognized by Mailman 3 as a real address for my emails, but not for others, even from my wife’s computer traversing the same path from our home to the Mailman 3 server. The Mailman installation does get and process the post, but also puts the “bounce+,,,” address in its list of nonmembers. Mailmanlists.net hasn’t figured out the behavior. I can provide full header information if that would help. My understanding of how headers work is very limited. Steve Brown

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mailman import21 passwords
by Sam Darwin Sept. 17, 2024

Sept. 17, 2024

Hi, On https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq-migration.html it says "Mailman 3 has a completely new account management system, none of the passwords from Mailman 2 will work with Mailman 3. Each user needs to sign up in Postorius for a new account to manage their memberships on all lists on a single instance." "Each user needs to sign up in Postorius for a new account" I am (personally) satisfied with this answer. However others at the company are asking for a detailed explanation. Consider that - - Mailman2 has access to password information. - Import scripts such as "import21" are able to import list information. - It seems that scripts such as "import21" could also generate new user accounts and passwords based on the previous ones. Why can't passwords be imported from mailman2 to mailman3? How difficult would it be to do? (is there a link to where this is already explained? ) Thanks

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Required permissions for mass operations
by mailman3＠werner.by Sept. 15, 2024

Sept. 15, 2024

Hi, I've Mailman 3.3.3 running with some mailing lists and it works great. Now I'm looking for a configuration option. I'd like to have some users with permission to - moderate lists AND - perform mass operations (add members, delete members) AND - change settings for single members (execute actions in menu point "Users", "Members") It should be impossible to change other list or mailman settings for this users. To give them the moderation permission is quite easy: I add the users to the moderators of the lists. But for the user management I've to add the users to the list owners and then is there no restriction anymore to change the full list configuration. What can I do? I link to a documentation for this would help as well, but I found nothing. Thanks a lot for an answer Torsten

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Problem getting Mailman3 to work with Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS
by sebensteg＠cod.edu Sept. 13, 2024

Sept. 13, 2024

Hello everyone, We have been using Mailman3 for over a year and half. We upgraded from Ubuntu 22.04.5, where it was working fine, to Ubuntu 22.04.1. Since then, mailman3 won’t work. When we tried to start it immediately after the upgrade, we got this error: 024-09-12T23:08:04.322353+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... 2024-09-12T23:08:04.935569+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: type psycopg2.extensions.ReplicationConnection has the Py_TPFLAGS_HAVE_GC flag but has no traverse function 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942784+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942869+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: Traceback (most recent call last): 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942938+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: sys.exit(main()) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943123+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943188+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943242+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943284+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943325+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943449+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943508+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943553+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943594+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943753+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943799+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943867+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943911+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943952+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944043+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944085+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.process_value(ctx, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944127+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944182+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944293+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944335+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944376+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize(value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944419+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 229, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944460+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944518+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 187, in initialize_2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944561+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944603+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944708+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 57, in create 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944769+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: database.initialize() 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944856+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/base.py", line 117, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944899+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.engine = create_engine( 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944941+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944982+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "<string>", line 2, in create_engine 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945025+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/deprecations.py", line 281, in warned 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945070+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return fn(*args, **kwargs) # type: ignore[no-any-return] 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945112+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945165+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/create.py", line 599, in create_engine 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945208+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: dbapi = dbapi_meth(**dbapi_args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945291+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py", line 690, in import_dbapi 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945332+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: import psycopg2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945374+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 51, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945425+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945478+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception 2024-09-12T23:08:05.071429+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE 2024-09-12T23:08:05.071768+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. 2024-09-12T23:08:05.072429+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. So, ultimately, what we decided to do was reinstall it. But the compilation fails when it tries to make a venv (virtual environment) with this error: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.322353+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... 2024-09-12T23:08:04.935569+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: type psycopg2.extensions.ReplicationConnection has the Py_TPFLAGS_HAVE_GC flag but has no traverse function 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942784+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942869+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: Traceback (most recent call last): 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942938+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: sys.exit(main()) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943123+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943188+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943242+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943284+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943325+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943449+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943508+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943553+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943594+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943753+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943799+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943867+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943911+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943952+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944043+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944085+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.process_value(ctx, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944127+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944182+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944293+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944335+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944376+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize(value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944419+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 229, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944460+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944518+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 187, in initialize_2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944561+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() But yet, we have this installed: venv mailman@weather1:~$ pip install psycopg2-binary Requirement already satisfied: psycopg2-binary in ./venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages (2.8.6) Any advice on how to get this working again would be GREATLY appreciated! Gilbert Sebenste Meteorology Support Analyst College of DuPage

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Disabled by bounce
by Allan Hansen Sept. 11, 2024

Sept. 11, 2024

Hi all, Apparently Google just started to get very aggressive about DKIM settings. Some hundreds of my subscribers have had their subscriptions disabled because of Google's bounces. I tried to 'Enable' some of them, expecting that their bounce scores would be reset, but when I list the users, the bounce scores are still 5. Please advise. Will enabling them without the bounce score being reset just cause the server to disable them again. Yours, Allan

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Trying to understand the mailman.cfg from the virtualenv installation guide
by unite42＠disroot.org Sept. 11, 2024

Sept. 11, 2024

Hello, I'm trying to install Mailman3 following the Virtualenv Installation guide. I would like to understand why the configurations in the displayed mailman.cfg are recommended. Especially the following two: [archiver.prototype] enable: yes "The prototype archiver stores messages individually in var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/." https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Do I need this, when using hyperkitty? Is this a fail-safe recommendation? [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 What is the background of these recommendations? Thank you for your help! Greetings unite42

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Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
by eyoelz＠gmail.com Sept. 11, 2024

Sept. 11, 2024

Hi, I set up mailman3 following the instruction on the mailman3 website. Everything went well until I got to the “Hooking up your mail server” at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… . I followed the instructions, but when I try to send an email to one of the lists I created, I get the error below. I have postfix installed on the same server as mailman3. I was wondering if I missed something during the mail server set up process. Relevant parts of my config files are below. Error: Aug 19 15:06:10 xxx-rocky9 postfix/smtpd[153746]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from xxxx.xxxxxx-xx.iphmx.com[xx.x.xx.xxx]: 550 5.1.1 <devops(a)xxx.xxx.edu>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<xxx(a)xxxx.edu> to=<xxx(a)xx.xx.edu> proto=ESMTP helo=<xx.xx-xx.iphmx.com> mailman.cfg [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: localhost lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no mailman/config/postfix.cfg [postfix] postmap_command: /usr/sbin/postmap transport_file_type: hash main.cf smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination myhostname = xxx.xxx.edu alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases mydestination = $myhostname, mailman, localhost.localdomain, , localhost relayhost = [xx.xx.xx.xx] mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps =$alias_maps hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains Thanks, Eyoel Mengesha

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Best practice when deleting a mailing-list (archiving an old list)
by Marc SCHAEFER Sept. 10, 2024

Sept. 10, 2024

Hello, With Mailman2, my list deletion procedure was quite simple: - export the list configuration with config_list - export the list members - archive the archives somewhere - remove the aliases manually - delete the list I think that with Mailman3, the above can be done as follows: - export the list configuration with https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… - export the list members with https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… - archive the archives somewhere: this is my main question - remove the aliases manually: this is automatic - delete the list So, is there a simple way to export a list's archives in a way it can be reimported, now that everything seems to be in the database? Archiving the whole database is an issue here (its compressed dump size > 2 GB). Thank you for your ideas or pointers!

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Mass Subscribe caused Delivery Status to become "unset"
by chad.hays86＠gmail.com Sept. 9, 2024

Sept. 9, 2024

One of the admins on our Mailman site said they recently performed a mass subscribe operation on list, however they noticed that for each user they subscribed, their "Delivery status" was unset, so they weren't receiving email updates whenever there was new activity on the list. They had to go in after the fact and manually set it to "Enabled" for each user that was subscribed via the mass subscription operation. Is this behavior expected? During the mass subscribed, pre-confirm, pre-approved, and pre-verified checkboxes were all checked.

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It takes a very long time to display the list archives
by bryan.kartzman＠yu.edu Sept. 9, 2024

Sept. 9, 2024

When I try to display the archives of any list in my mailman3 installation it takes forever for it to display. We are talking a good three or four minutes. It doesn't matter if there are 100 messages in the archives or just one. We are using postgres for the mailman3 and django databases. On the server, when I click to display a list's archives, I see the process "gunicorn: worker [gunicorn]" is using nearly 100% of available CPU.

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when on particular person sends a message to the list dozens of OTHER users have their bounce score incremented
by Ken Alker Sept. 9, 2024

Sept. 9, 2024

We have been experiencing a strange anomaly. We are running a small-ish list. When a particular subscriber to the list sends an email to the list, a couple of dozen (or more) of the recipient's of the message end up with their bounce scores incrementing. This particular subscriber uses about three different email addresses when he sends his messages and every one of them causes this behavior. There is another subscriber who also causes this behavior when he sends an email to the list, but only one of the two email addresses he sends from causes this behavior. There is a third person who causes this behavior every time. There are dozens of other subscribes who don't generate this behavior when they send to the list. I can't figure out why this is occurring. I *assume* that Mailman re-writes the headers to add DKIM, etc., before sending them to the list recipients but it sure seems like something in the header from the original sender is ending up in the final header (or something is LACKING) which is not liked by the recipient's MTA's. It doesn't seem like a subscriber sending an email to the list should be able to cause this behavior - but I'm no expert. The recipients appear to be using many different mail platforms (ie. their addresses are not all, or even mostly, @google.com or some other domain; the recipients appear to be a pretty good cross section of platforms). This has been going on all year (maybe longer). Any help or troubleshooting suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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How to tell which lists on my server are being used?
by Bryan Kartzman Sept. 8, 2024

Sept. 8, 2024

Is there an easy way to tell which lists on my Mailman 3 installation are being used (i.e. received posts in the last two or three months)?

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Setting base_url for the domain to use it in the templates.
by Timour Bakeev Sept. 8, 2024

Sept. 8, 2024

Hi all! I'm trying to use extended placeholders for the [templated texts](https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/res… in the message footer that are sent to the members: > Along with these, Mailman supports placeholder as URLs for web interface when `base_url` property is set at the Domain level. These include: > domain_url - URL to homepage for a domain. > mailinglist_url - URL to homepage for a mailinglist. > held_message_url - URL to page for handling all held messages. > pending_subscriptions_url - URL to page for handling pending subscription requests. > pending_unsubscriptions_url - URL to page for handling pending unsubscriptions. The REST API docs mention `base_url` as the property of the domain: [domain URLs](https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest… But my attempts to use REST API to set it fail: ``` curl --user 'restapi:restpass' \ -X PATCH \ -H "Content-Type: application/json" \ -H 'Accept: application/json' \ -d '{ "base_url": "https://example.net/mailman3" }' \ http://localhost:8001/3.1/domains/example.net | jq '.' { "title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Unexpected parameters: base_url" } ``` My MM3 instance is the latest(3.3.9), provided by the maxking mailman-core docker image. It looks like there is a lot of confusion about `base_url` in general, as hyperkitty seems also use the property with the same name, for example: https://lists.mailman3.org/hyperkitty/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/threa… So what is the correct way to get those extended placeholders to work in the templates? It's also not clear to me, what the the primary domain should be for the installation - server hostname, as in `lists.mailman3.org` or the domain, used in the mailing list(s) itself, like `mailman3.org` for mailman-users(a)mailman3.org... With best regards, Timour Bakeev

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Archive not updated
by mailman3＠escapade.ch Sept. 6, 2024

Sept. 6, 2024

Hi All, Env: Debian bookworm debian pkg mailman 3.3.8-2~deb12u2 Status I moved from MM2 to MM3 Import of the archives worked, no issue problem: current emails sent to the list are not being archived. What have I done: - based on the list here I've checked different settings in the cfg files - looked for errors in the log What else can I do to solve this problem ? Many thanks in advance for your help. Manny

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Can you use @list to include members in accept these non-members in v3?
by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis Sept. 5, 2024

Sept. 5, 2024

In Mailman v2, one could use @listname in ‘accept_these_nonmembers’: A line consisting of the @ character followed by a list name specifies another Mailman list in this installation, all of whose member addresses will be accepted for this list. I don’t see this option listed in version 3. Is it no longer supported/allowed? Is there another option? We often send email to lists of lists and have loved that @listname option to help us deliver email to 20+ lists without needing to approve the emails each time or reconfigure all the lists when another sender needs to be added. Thank you Tom Lieuallen Oregon State University

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security app causing django Internal Server Error: /archives/search emails
by sun zi Sept. 5, 2024

Sept. 5, 2024

Greetings, I have set up a few lists and all seems to be working as expected, however I get a large number of emails due to internal server errors received when my security application is testing exploits to list URLs such as the following: https://<mylistdomain>/archives/search?sort=177120&cauft=&page=1&q=../../../../../../../../../../tmb/wditeteet424465304.txt. Is there any django logging filter changes that can be made to avoid receiving these emails? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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Assistance Needed for Ubuntu 22.04 Mailman3 Installation and Configuration
by smiithjohn90＠gmail.com Aug. 31, 2024

Aug. 31, 2024

Hello Everyone, I'm trying to install Mailman3 on an Ubuntu 22.04 server right now, and I've run across a few obstacles that I'd like help with. I've followed the installation instructions, but I'm having trouble in a couple places, so I was hoping an experienced someone might help me out. This is what I have completed thus far: - I used the apt-get package manager to install Mailman3. - PostgreSQL was configured as the database backend. - Postfix was installed and set up to function as the Mail Transfer Agent (MTA). - Assemble Postorius, Hyperkitty, and the Mailman3 core. Problems I'm Having: Postorius and Hyperkitty Connectivity: I'm having problems making sure that the Mailman core is correctly connected to Postorius and Hyperkitty. I get a 502 Bad Gateway error when I try to access the web interfaces. Despite checking my specifications, I am unable to identify the problem. Problems with Email Delivery: I'm also having trouble with email delivery. Although Mailman appears to be receiving emails, it is not appearing to be sending any out. I think there might be a Postfix problem, but I'm not sure how to solve it. Generally Suggested Practices: Are there any particular security best practices I should be aware of when it comes to Mailman3 installations? I want to confirm that my configuration is both performance- and security-optimized. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… https://www.igmguru.com/salesforce/salesforce-developer-training https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I would be grateful for any advice or resources! It would be really beneficial if someone with a similar setup could share their settings or troubleshooting procedures. Thank you in advance.

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Dist. List forwarding and DMARC Reject circumvention. Will this pattern work?
by titan160＠hotmail.com Aug. 26, 2024

Aug. 26, 2024

I would be grateful if someone could vet and verify (or guide otherwise) the following pattern please. With the major mail vendors move to DMARC - Full Reject, I have a small challenge. - We have a number of 365 Distribution List addresses. - These lists accept email from anyone and, currently, then forward those emails onto list members. - List members, however, are NOT necessarily email addresses within the list's mail domain. They might be outlook.com, Gmail, yahoo, Hotmail, username(a)local.ISP. Consequently, DMARC Reject policies are causing these emails to be marked spam as the 365 Dist. List forwarding is not doing any header manipulation. My thinking is: - I could set up a Mailman list (elists.mydomain.com) alongside the 365 Exchange mail domain (mydomain.com) - I leave inbound mail deliver to the 365 Dist. lists. - I reconfigure the (mylist(a)mydomain.com) Dist. Lists to fwd to a similarly-named Mailman address at the email sub-domain (mylist(a)elists.mydomain.com) - The Mailman list, by virtue of having to use the 365 MTA, should be able to accept all inbound from the list (mylist(a)mydomain.com) - Mailman would then need to re-write the mail headers such that the inbound email to-be-forwarded from the Mailman list, both appears to come from the (mylist(a)mydomain.com) address, and also has the 365 'mydomain.com' SPF and DKIM records. And given Mailman has to use the 365 MTA, it would actually be coming from that main mail domain. - Somewhere in there, the original sender's email address would need to be included, such that a Reply-to-All from a receiving List member would not only go back to the List, but also the original sender. My thinking is that with this pattern, I don't need to worry about inbound emails to the list address as that would simply continue to function as normal, and fwdd mails from the List to recipient list members would not be marked spam as the headers would all be good. Is my thinking good? Or am I out of my cotton-pickin' mind?

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Issue with mailman auto subscription
by Francisco Paco López Aug. 26, 2024

Aug. 26, 2024

Hello, I migrated my mailman 2 instance to mailman 3 some months ago. Some users have been reporting lately that auto subscriptions don't work anymore. In the affected list both the Subscription and un subscription policies are open, which means that normally a user that sends a "subscribe" mail automatically subs to the list. This works fine for users that have been subscribed in the past but not for new users. The latter get a mail stating that a confirmation is needed ("Your confirmation is needed to join the XXXX(a)my.lists.com mailing list"). I see nothing out of the ordinary in the mailman.log file and co. Any ideas? Thanks a lot in advance [SIB logo] Francisco López Ayuso System Administrator SIB | Swiss Institute of Bioinformatics Quartier Sorge, bâtiment Amphipôle - CH 1015 Lausanne - Switzerland t +41 21 692 40 36 Francisco.Lopezayuso(a)sib.swiss - www.sib.swiss The information in this e-mail, and those ensuing, is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message and notify the sender immediately.

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Mailman config is not being applied
by roberto.blandino＠ibw.com.ni Aug. 26, 2024

Aug. 26, 2024

Debian: 11.10 GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Server version: Apache/2.4.61 (Debian) PHP 7.4.33 (cli) (built: Apr 12 2024 00:02:16) ( NTS ) I have a list and when i add a no member on the web interface and on the Non-Member options i set "Administration options" to "Accept skip other rules" when i send email from that address it keeps being moderated and when i open again the options it keeps saying "Default by list" The options are not being write on changes

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systemd unit file modification: start / stop both services at once
by Ron / BCLUG Aug. 24, 2024

Aug. 24, 2024

Hi, I've made a slight adjustment to my systemd unit files for Mailman3 such that I only ever need to start / restart / stop mailman3.service and mailman3-web.service will have the same action automatically applied to it. It's called `Upholds` and binds the 2 services together. I humbly suggest it become the default. In my case, I added a file here: /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service.d/override.conf with these lines: [Unit] Upholds = mailman3-web.service Before = mailman3-web.service Now, starting mailman3.service will *also* start mailman3-web.service. Restarting mailman3.service will *also* restart mailman3-web.service. Stopping mailman3.service will *also* stop mailman3-web.service. Those 3 lines could be placed in mailman3.service, or something like `UpheldBy=mailman3.service` could go in the mailman3-web.service. Hopefully this would make things slightly better for Mailman3 admins out there. rb

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502 bad gateway when unsubscribing users
by laura_thomas＠fas.harvard.edu Aug. 22, 2024

Aug. 22, 2024

Hi everyone, I moderate several email lists for a university using Postorius 1.3.4.1. I've been trying to update our lists by removing members who have left the department. However, when I click on a name and then "Unsubscribe Selected," I always get a 502 Bad Gateway message, and I'm unable to remove any users from the list. This has happened on every attempt across multiple users on multiple mailing lists. Does anyone know what might be going on? I appreciate the help!

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Could You Please Guide Me As A Newbie?
by smiithjohn90＠gmail.com Aug. 21, 2024

Aug. 21, 2024

Hello, everyone! This is my first post after just joining this discussion, so please forgive me and provide kind assistance if I have posted in the wrong subsection! I am new here but a real enthusiast and loving this community so far. I have a background in teaching coding and education, and I feel I could help with documentation, at least for starters. As a new member of this forum, I wish to share and gain some knowledge. I am looking forward to creating my own discussions to resolve my queries and gain more insights. I have participated in various discussions, which have definitely helped me a lot. Also, what factors should be considered when choosing the appropriate category for a post? Thank you in advance.

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trying to understand ARC
by Johannes Rohr Aug. 18, 2024

Aug. 18, 2024

Dear all, I'm confused about how to enable ARC signing and how it is related to DKIM. As it stands, the contents of the section [ARC] in mailmain.cfg are [ARC] enabled: yes authserv_id: *******.org # Should this be the address of the mailserver (postfix) instead? privkey: /etc/mailman3/***.org.mailman.key # Shouldn't this point to the same private key used by rspamd for DKIM signing? selector: mailman # shouldn't this point to the same selector as rspam, or should it be separate? If so, should I also set up a separate TXT entry domain: ****.org # mailman serves multiple domains. Should all be there? Should the exact subdomain be there? Finally, how come that at present, mailman does NOT sign the messages? They come with the original DKIM signature, but there is no ARC signature. Unfortunately, the official documentation says very little about ARC, so I have to post my possibly stupid questions here. Johannes

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Legit login attempts yield, "An error occurred while processing your request."
by Greg Newby Aug. 14, 2024

Aug. 14, 2024

Hi friends. Following up on my message over the weekend about getting web (Django) logins for users who were ported from MM2 to MM3, I now have some people trying to create a new username. Something broke following a system update and reboot. MM3 is installed using the venv method, and the services (mailman and mailman-web) seem to be running ok. Mailing list delivery is happening as usual. I've now come upon a few related situations where a 500 error results, "Server error. An error occurred while processing your request." My primary question is: *How can I find out what's causing this*? I've looked in all the MM and web logfiles, by "tail -f" while generating the error, and nothing is logged there. Apache logs shows something like this: x.x.y.y- - [13/Aug/2024:21:46:41 -0700] "POST /accounts/password/reset/ HTTP/1.1" 500 1448 "https://lists.pglaf.org/accounts/password/reset/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15_7) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/127.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Edg/127.0.0.0" I've come across this error while trying to do authentication-related activities that worked before the reboot: - "Forgot password" (happens whether or not the entered email existed in MM2 or already exists in MM3) - Sign up (ditto) - Email unsubscribes gave a verification email, but then didn't unsubscribe the address (might not be the same problem) Thanks for any breadcrumbs that might guide me to the solution. ~ Greg

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Several Postorius errors over the weekend
by Andrew Hodgson Aug. 14, 2024

Aug. 14, 2024

Hi. I've had several Postorius error messages which have resulted in an email. Is this someone up to mischief or have I missed a configuration somewhere? We had several of these over a short period and nothing since then which makes me think someone was running a script on the endpoint, but would be interested in confirmation from those that know better. Thanks. Andrew. Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/login/ 429.html Request Method: HEAD Request URL: http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/accounts/login/?next=%2F%61%63%63%6F%75%6E%7… Django Version: 4.2.13 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 Python Version: 3.12.3 Python Path: ['/opt/mailman', '/', '/opt/mailman/venv/bin', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python312.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.12', '/usr/lib/python3.12/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages', '/usr/local/lib/python3.12/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/etc/mailman3'] Server time: Fri, 09 Aug 2024 15:32:41 +0000 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Template loader postmortem Django tried loading these templates, in this order: Using engine django: This engine did not provide a list of tried templates. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 104, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 46, in _wrapper return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/allauth/decorators.py", line 10, in wrap resp = ratelimit.consume_or_429(request, action=action, **rl_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/allauth/core/ratelimit.py", line 140, in consume_or_429 return handler429(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/allauth/core/ratelimit.py", line 125, in _handler429 return render(request, "429." + app_settings.TEMPLATE_EXTENSION, status=429) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 24, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 61, in render_to_string template = get_template(template_name, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 19, in get_template raise TemplateDoesNotExist(template_name, chain=chain) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Exception Type: TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/login/ Exception Value: 429.html Raised during: allauth.account.views.LoginView Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: next = '/accounts/login//**/AND/**/(SELECT/**/DIFFERENCE(NULL,NULL))/**/IS/**/NULL--/**/CiLH' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: csrftoken = '********************' META: CSRF_COOKIE = 'ArmbEBfvw1lQgbvFKczV9km53k5UFC6G' HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'close' HTTP_COOKIE = '********************' HTTP_HOST = 'lists.hodgsonfamily.org' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.15 FirePHP/0.5' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = '141.98.255.143' PATH_INFO = '/accounts/login/' QUERY_STRING = 'next=%2F%61%63%63%6F%75%6E%74%73%2F%6C%6F%67%69%6E%2F%2F%2A%2A%2F%41%4E%44%2F%2A%2A%2F%28%53%45%4C%45%43%54%2F%2A%2A%2F%44%49%46%46%45%52%45%4E%43%45%28%4E%55%4C%4C%2C%4E%55%4C%4C%29%29%2F%2A%2A%2F%49%53%2F%2A%2A%2F%4E%55%4C%4C%2D%2D%2F%2A%2A%2F%43%69%4C%48' RAW_URI = '/accounts/login/?next=%2F%61%63%63%6F%75%6E%74%73%2F%6C%6F%67%69%6E%2F%2F%2A%2A%2F%41%4E%44%2F%2A%2A%2F%28%53%45%4C%45%43%54%2F%2A%2A%2F%44%49%46%46%45%52%45%4E%43%45%28%4E%55%4C%4C%2C%4E%55%4C%4C%29%29%2F%2A%2A%2F%49%53%2F%2A%2A%2F%4E%55%4C%4C%2D%2D%2F%2A%2A%2F%43%69%4C%48' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REMOTE_PORT = '35918' REQUEST_METHOD = 'HEAD' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = '127.0.0.1' SERVER_PORT = '8000' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.0' SERVER_SOFTWARE = 'gunicorn/22.0.0' gunicorn.socket = <socket.socket fd=4, family=2, type=1, proto=0, laddr=('127.0.0.1', 8000), raddr=('127.0.0.1', 35918)> wsgi.errors = <gunicorn.http.wsgi.WSGIErrorsWrapper object at 0x7dddf0dddf60> wsgi.file_wrapper = <class 'gunicorn.http.wsgi.FileWrapper'> wsgi.input = <gunicorn.http.body.Body object at 0x7dddf0dde540> wsgi.input_terminated = True wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = False wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'andrew(a)hodgson.io'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['localhost', 'lists.hodgsonfamily.org'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = PosixPath('/opt/mailman/web') CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js': 'compressor.js.JsCompressor'} COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'css': ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter', 'compressor.filters.cssmin.rCSSMinFilter'], 'js': ['compressor.filters.jsmin.rJSMinFilter']} COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7dddf3f61440> COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.OfflineManifestFileStorage' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE_ALIAS = 'compressor-offine' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_STORAGE_ALIAS = 'compressor' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_MASKED = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = ['https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org'] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailman', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'CONN_HEALTH_CHECKS': False, 'OPTIONS': {}, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'PORT': '', 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'MIGRATE': True, 'MIRROR': None, 'NAME': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FILES = 100 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER = 'django.views.debug.ExceptionReporter' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420 FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': '/opt/mailman/web/fulltext_index'}} HYPERKITTY_ENABLE_GRAVATAR = True IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ar-dz', 'Algerian Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('ckb', 'Central Kurdish (Sorani)'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('ig', 'Igbo'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('ky', 'Kyrgyz'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('ms', 'Malay'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('tg', 'Tajik'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tk', 'Turkmen'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'ar-dz', 'ckb', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.TimedRotatingFileHandler', 'filename': '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log', 'formatter': 'verbose', 'when': 'midnight', 'backupCount': 5}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'DEBUG', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['console', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO'}, 'q': {'level': 'WARNING', 'propagate': False, 'handlers': ['console', 'file']}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '/' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', 'workers': 2} ROOT_URLCONF = 'mailman_web.urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECRET_KEY_FALLBACKS = '********************' SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True SECURE_CROSS_ORIGIN_OPENER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.JSONSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [{'id': 'yahoo', 'name': 'Yahoo', 'openid_url': 'http://me.yahoo.com'}]}, 'google': {'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}}, 'facebook': {'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': ['email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone'], 'VERSION': 'v2.4'}} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/static/' STORAGES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage'}, 'staticfiles': {'BACKEND': 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage'}} TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_DEPRECATED_PYTZ = False USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = False USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'mailman_web.wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y'

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Setting archive_policy "private" using REST changes web UI setting Archive policy, but does not hide archive until UI Save
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 14, 2024

Aug. 14, 2024

I am working on disabling a list removing all members using REST and then setting archive_policy to "private" also using REST. This changes the UI Archive policy setting to Private archives as I would expect, but I just discovered that the (now previous) member, still logged in, and alså public (not logged in), still have access to the archive. It is not browser cache. At the moment I click Save in the UI settings/archiving, both logged in user and not logged in user (other browser) changed to "This mailing list is private. You must be subscribed to view the archives." on page reload. It seems that i need to click Save on every list having been changed, before the archive is hidden. Is that a bug? I am currently using Postorius Version 1.3.5 and HyperKitty version 1.3.4. /Henrik

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RDS CA changes
by Hirayama, Pat Aug. 12, 2024

Aug. 12, 2024

Hello, So, my Mailman3 installation (inherited – guy who set it up has left) is using PostgreSQL that is an AWS RDS instance. I have received an alert from AWS that the CA certificate used to create the database is expiring, and they want me to update the certificate before it expires: "Update Your Amazon RDS and Amazon Aurora SSL/TLS Certificates by August 22, 2024 " https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/rotate-your-ssl-tls-certificates-now-amazo… Our DBA team is requesting that we update applications by installing the new CA within the application's certificate store. As near as I can tell from reading the Mailman 3 docs, and looking at my mailman.cfg and settings_local.py ... I don't know that Mailman 3 is using certificate verification for the PostgreSQL connection. At least, I can't see anything in those configuration files that suggest this. Does anyone know if this is the case – or which configuration file I should look at to verify? Will my Mailman 3 be ok if the DBAs go ahead and update the certificates on their end? Thank you! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering - Infrastructure Fred Hutch Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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Removing all moderatortors (and owners) from a list in one go
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 12, 2024

Aug. 12, 2024

As there doesn't seem to be a "Disable list" REST call (not an "export list" REST call, I am trying to remove all members, moderators and owners, changing list description etc. I managed to remove all members from a list in one go using https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…, but the same command, using /roster/moderator does not apply for moderators (now owners I guess). To me it seems that each moderator has to be removed one by one, either: * using REST https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… * or using the client https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… * or using Python https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Isn't there an easier way? And why not like https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… ? /Henrik

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User cannot reset password
by Greg Newby Aug. 11, 2024

Aug. 11, 2024

I imported MM2.1 lists to Mailman3 (using import21 - details are in my previous messages to mailman-users), and have had a couple of reports of people for whom the password reset function via "Forgot password" on the list login screen doesn't work as expected. This is a venv installation using PostgreSQL as the database: $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.12.3 (main, Jul 31 2024, 17:43:48) [GCC 13.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:redacated@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:redacted The user selects "Forgot password" and enters their email - which I've confirmed is subscribed and receiving messages. They get this email: You are receiving this email because you, or someone else, tried to access an account with email redactaed(a)gmail.com. However, we do not have any record of such an account in our database. This mail can be safely ignored if you did not initiate this action. If it was you, you can sign up for an account using the link below. I looked in the PostgreSQL address table and confirmed the entry is there, and also of course looked at the Members list in the web-based front end. Everything looks ok. I suspect that lots of people will have the same problem, but have not yet tried to login & reset their password. The earlier reports indicated that people's saved passwords did not work, but I haven't replicated that. Any advice on what's going on and how to address it? I've migrated over 200 lists with thousands of users, so would rather not need to deal with every user via the web-based front end. But at this point I don't even know what to try to fix things. With the previous reports I unsubscribed the user and had them resubscribe - that worked as expected but required back-and-forth discussion and, more importantly, user inconvenience. Thanks, Greg Newby

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Python program to create lists and import settings from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3
by Greg Newby Aug. 10, 2024

Aug. 10, 2024

Hi friends. A couple of weeks ago I asked for help with calling Mailman functions from within a Python program. This was to avoid using the web interface or shell commands to create a new list from a legacy Mailman 2.x list, and instead do it from within a Python program. Here is the program I ended up using, and I thought it would be worthwhile to get into the Mailman users list archives for future folks. Note that this is for the (recommended) venv installation of Mailman. Some things might be different for other installations. I'll paste the program and also attach it: #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 # Note: The line above should be the Python3 interpreter for your # installed version of Mailman3. It's the same as the first line in # your 'mailman' command, which might be named manage.py or something # else in your environment. # The venv version of Mailman used to develop this program is: # GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) # Python 3.12.3 (main, Apr 10 2024, 05:33:47) [GCC 13.2.0] # About: # The multiple steps of creating a Mailman 3 list based on a legacy # Mailman 2.1 list. # gbn July 28 2024. This little program is granted to the public domain. ######################################################################## # Adjust these variables for your list, domain, MM2 and MM3 locations: lists_to_import = [ # listname, domainname ('testlist','example.org'), ('testlist2','example.org') # Add more lists as needed ] ######################################################################## # Load prerequisite functionality: from mailman.config import config # Needed for transaction.commit from mailman.core.initialize import initialize # For initialize() from mailman.app.lifecycle import create_list # For create_list import pickle # Pickle file handling from contextlib import ExitStack # Pickle file handling from mailman.commands.cli_import import _Mailman, _Bouncer # "" from mailman.utilities.modules import hacked_sys_modules # "" import subprocess # Subprocess for import21 ######################################################################## # Step 0: Initialize the environment: # Without arguments, initialize() looks in the standard locations for your .cfg def do_init(): initialize() # Alternative: Load an explicit configuration file, such as: # initialize('/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg') ######################################################################## # Step 1: Create the list # Note: This fails silently if the list already exists or something goes wrong def do_create(new_list): try: # The list might exist or otherwise not be creatable l = create_list(new_list) except: # I did not find useful return values from create_list to diagnose print('create_list('+new_list+') failed. Trying to proceed anyway') # This saves your new list: transaction = config.db transaction.commit() ######################################################################## # Step 2: Rewrite the pickle file from the legacy list. def do_pickle(old_pickle_file, new_pickle_file): # These definitions are so the old pickle file can be parsed: with ExitStack() as resources: resources.enter_context(hacked_sys_modules('Mailman', _Mailman)) resources.enter_context( hacked_sys_modules('Mailman.Bouncer', _Bouncer)) # Input the old pickle file from MM 2.1 with open(old_pickle_file, 'rb') as fp: data = pickle.load(fp) # ban_list was a problematic value from my MM2.1 lists: # print(data['ban_list']) data['ban_list'] = [] # Any other settings you want to change? Add them here. These # variables may be seen with MM2's 'config_list' command data['require_explicit_destination']=1 # yes data['member_moderation_action']=1 # reject data['generic_nonmember_action']=2 # reject data['max_num_recipients']=2 # block cc/bcc to list fp.seek(0) # probably not needed fp.close() # ditto # Output: Rewrite the file in the current MM3 format with open(new_pickle_file,'wb') as ofp: pickle.dump(data, ofp) ofp.close() ######################################################################## # Step 3: Import the legacy settings to the newly created list def do_import(new_list, new_pickle_file): # I did not see how to call import21 directly from Python, so am using # a subprocess which basically uses the CLI syntax. # # CLI syntax: mailman import21 [OPTIONS] LISTSPEC PICKLE_FILE def import_list(listname, pickle_file): command = [ 'mailman', 'import21', listname, pickle_file ] subprocess.run(command, check=True) # print(f"List {listname} imported successfully.") # Import the list via a subprocess: import_list(new_list, new_pickle_file) # This saves your changes: transaction = config.db transaction.commit() ######################################################################## # Main process: do_init() # Loop for all lists we want to create & import: for new_listname, new_domainname in lists_to_import: new_list = new_listname+'@'+new_domainname # Adjust for wherever your old MM2 lists are: old_pickle_file = '/var/lib/mailman/lists/'+new_listname+'/config.pck' print('Starting list '+new_list) # The new pickle_file doesn't need to be saved after this program exits new_pickle_file = '/opt/mailman/'+new_listname+'-new.pck' do_create(new_list) do_pickle(old_pickle_file, new_pickle_file) do_import(new_list, new_pickle_file) print('Done with list '+new_list) # Don't forget to import and then index your list for full-text # searching. We're not doing that here because it takes awhile # (depending on the size of the archive). Use a command from the bash # shell such as: # mailman-web hyperkitty_import --since=1971-01-01 -l listname@domainnamed /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox # followed by: # mailman-web update_index_one_list listname@domainname ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Display the last post time for a list or all lists.
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 9, 2024

Aug. 9, 2024

Does Mailman 3 have something similar to https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/last_post.py displaying the last post time for a list or all lists?

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Mailman/Django-allauth integration with Yahoo
by Дилян Палаузов Aug. 9, 2024

Aug. 9, 2024

Hello, Has anybody managed to use the Django-Allauth Yahoo provider to authenticate towards Mailman3? I have integrated mailman3/django-allauth/gmail — it works. I want in the same way to integrate mailman3 with yahoo mail. As advised at https://docs.allauth.org/en/latest/socialaccount/providers/yahoo.html , in yahoo I register an application with redirect URL https://l.bapha.be/mm3/accounts/yahoo/login/callback/ , then I add credentials under mm3/admin/socialaccount/socialapp/: client ID and Private Key. I append in settings.py:INSTALLED_APPS = [… 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.yahoo' ]. After I do all of this, I eventually visit /mm3/accounts/login/?next=/mm3/postorius/lists/at.l.bapha.be/, click on Yahoo: “Sign In Via Yahoo . You are about to sign in using a third-party account from Yahoo.” → [Continue]. Now at https://login.yahoo.com I enter user name and password. Then I get a site, partially in English, partially localized. It is in my domain at address /mm3/accounts/confirm-email/ , and states: Messages: Confirmation of email address sent to ...(a)yahoo.com Menu: Entrance \r\n New registration Confirm your email address: We have sent an email to you for verification. Follow the link provided to finalize the signup process. If you do not see the verification email in your main inbox, check your spam folder. Please contact us if you do not receive the verification email within a few minutes. I have indeed received an email, which states: New signin from … Hi, Your Yahoo account … was just used to sign in on …. If you did this, you’re all set. If not, please use this link to stop sharing, and create a new password. Have a great day! Thanks,Yahoo So, the /account/confirm-email states I have received an email for verification, but the email sent says no verification is needed, I am all set up. Any idea what can I improve? In addition https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/-/blob/master/mailman-suite_projec… suggests adding in settings.py: SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [dict(id='yahoo', name='Yahoo', openid_url='http://me.yahoo.com')]}} which I have not done. That is, I do not use the “openid” provider, but the “yahoo” provider. Do I have to use the OpenID provider when using Yahoo? Greetings Дилян

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migrate MM3 list from an old server to a new one
by noc＠iem.at Aug. 8, 2024

Aug. 8, 2024

hi all, i have an old mailman3 instance (3.2.1), and would like to migrate it's lists and archives to a new instance (3.3.8) on a different host. for various reasons, i don't think i am able to upgrade the old instance in-place. unfortunately, i haven't found any documentation on how to proceed. there *is* documentation about migrating MM2 to MM3; and my understanding is that `mailman-web migrate` can be used to upgrade a given MM3 instance to a new version. but how can i export an entire MM3 list (including 20 years of archives) to some serialization format, and import it again in another instance? thanks for your help. gamsr4e IOhannes PS: (again) I'm resending this message, as the one i sent yesterday seems to have vanished (i *did* check the archvies). i have no clue why this happens, as i can post via the webinterface just fine (only when using my trusted MUA they just vanish).

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Header settings and Gmail
by erik＠dante.de Aug. 7, 2024

Aug. 7, 2024

Hi, We operate a mailing list on which many members use their Gmail address. In the default settings, this results in a warning and delayed delivery (and maybe marking as spam): status=deferred (host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.128.27] said: 421-4.7.28 Gmail has detected an unusual rate of unsolicited mail. To protect 421-4.7.28 our users from spam, mail has been temporarily rate limited. For 421-4.7.28 more information, go to 421-4.7.28 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError to 421 4.7.28 review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. As a preventive measure, it helps to use DMARC mitigation action with “Replace From: with list address” and “ DMARC Mitigate unconditionally ”. But now some users are unhappy with the From header " Username via Test-liste <test(a)test-liste.org>". They would rather have their email address in it. Is there a solution with which Google delivers the mailing list messages without complaining, but the sender email address is also in the “From:”? Thanks Erik

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Only Recent archive tab works after mailman upgrade
by zoltan＠circle-interactive.co.uk Aug. 6, 2024

Aug. 6, 2024

Hi, since I upgraded mailman to 3.3.9 (python 3.11.2) I have an odd issue on lists' archive page. Apparently only the Recent tab works. If I switch to Active or Popular I see the change in the url but page content does not refresh. I can not see any errors in browser console and in logs so I am quite clueless how to debug further :( Thanks for the ideas.

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Where to put static files referred to from list Info page?
by Greg Newby Aug. 6, 2024

Aug. 6, 2024

Hi friends. Some of my version 2.1 lists had some static files that were referenced from the list's HTML pages. I'd like to do the same for the lists now that they're ported to MM3. My question: Is there a place I can put these files within the Mailman directory hierarchy so they can be linked from the list Info page? I.e., under "Settings / List info / Long description" I'd like to include a <a href=...> to a file that's somewhere in a persistent location in the same directory tree as the Mailman web. I tried putting it under mm/var/lists/listname/ (where 'listname' exists, and is where templates go. This yielded a '404.' I confirmed I can add an href to the Long description, but don't know where in the Mailman3 directory hierarchy I can put the files. Thanks! Greg Newby

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External MTA incoming mail: configuration
by Roland Giesler Aug. 6, 2024

Aug. 6, 2024

I have mailman set up to send mail via an external MTA, which is supported by mailman and described in the documentation here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…. Specifically it says: |lmtp_host|and|lmtp_port|are parameters which are used by Mailman, but also will be passed to the MTA to identify the Mailman host. The “same host” case is special; some MTAs (including Postfix) do not recognize “localhost”, and need the numerical IP address. If they are on different hosts,|lmtp_host|should be set to the domain name or IP address of the Mailman host.|lmtp_port|is fairly arbitrary (there is no standard port for LMTP). Use any port convenient for your site. “8024” is as good as any, unless another service is using it. However, there is a practical problem with LMTP (to receive incoming email) which is as follows: The setup in mailman.cfg: lmtp_host: lists.fast.za.net lmtp_port: 8024 Now, lists.fast.za.net is the mailman server. The docs say that mailman passes these on to the MTA. However, the MTA (postfix) on box2.gtahardware.co.za has the following setting in it main.cf: virtual_transport=lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025 If I reply to a signup confirmation email for example, the mail is received and processed by box2.gtahardware.co.za, and it is not passed on to the mailman server. So what is meant by "but also will be passed to the MTA to identify the Mailman host" in the docs? If I change the config of the MTA (postfix) to be "virtual_transport=lmtp:[lists.fast.za.net]:8024", I assume the incoming mail will be forwarded, but how does postfix know that only the mailman emails should be forwarded and not all the other mail that the server at box2.gtahardware.co.za receives? This is quite fuzzt to me at this stage. Could someone help me with some clarity please?

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Create a mailman-web admin user
by Roland Giesler July 30, 2024

July 30, 2024

I having a hard time understanding how to create an admin user for postorius (mailman-web). The docs say at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html Setting up Admin Account <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#setting-up-admin-account> To create a superuser account in Django, run the following interactive command as|mailman|user: (venv)$ mailman-web createsuperuser However, which user in the mailman user mentioned? I tried to do this as root, but login in as an admin doesn't give me any option to create new lists in postorius. What am I missing / doing wrong? regards Roland

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using SSH/TLS with external MTA
by Roland Giesler July 30, 2024

July 30, 2024

I have managed thus far to get things working on my new install, but I need to use a secure logon to send mail from an external MTA. I have set up: /etc/mailman/mailman.cfg: smtp_host: box2.gtahardware.co.za smtp_port: 465 smtp_user: roland(a)giesler.za.net smtp_pass: <hidden> smtp_secure_mode: smtps smtp_verify_cert: no smtp_verify_hostname: no I'll get a cert installed later, for now just want to get it going. This error occurs when I try to create a new user in postorius. ERROR 2024-07-24 15:29:45,572 2150 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 47, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 70, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 43, in _wrapper return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/debug.py", line 89, in sensitive_post_parameters_wrapper return view(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 146, in dispatch return super(LoginView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 74, in dispatch response = super(RedirectAuthenticatedUserMixin, self).dispatch( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 98, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 102, in post response = self.form_valid(form) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 159, in form_valid return form.login(self.request, redirect_url=success_url) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/forms.py", line 196, in login ret = perform_login( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/utils.py", line 175, in perform_login send_email_confirmation(request, user, signup=signup, email=email) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/utils.py", line 346, in send_email_confirmation email_address.send_confirmation(request, signup=signup) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/models.py", line 62, in send_confirmation confirmation.send(request, signup=signup) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/models.py", line 169, in send get_adapter(request).send_confirmation_mail(request, self, signup) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 464, in send_confirmation_mail self.send_mail(email_template, emailconfirmation.email_address.email, ctx) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 136, in send_mail msg.send() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/message.py", line 284, in send return self.get_connection(fail_silently).send_messages([self]) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/backends/smtp.py", line 109, in send_messages sent = self._send(message) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/backends/smtp.py", line 125, in _send self.connection.sendmail(from_email, recipients, message.as_bytes(linesep='\r\n')) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/smtplib.py", line 901, in sendmail raise SMTPRecipientsRefused(senderrs) smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused: {'roland(a)giesler.za.net': (454, b'4.7.1 <roland(a)giesler.za.net>: Relay access denied')} However, the mailserver is in daily use and accept logon all the time. I believe I'm missing something that should be installed to make SMTPS (SSL) work, but what?

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