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Importing MBOX from custom listserv to MM3?
by Thomas Ward June 25, 2023

June 25, 2023

We are looking at moving from a home grown listserv system at a client to potentially MailMan3 for the lists platform instead. We have historic thread data from the homegrown systems in mbox form. Is there a way to import that into MM3 for indexing in the archiver there so we dont need to keep the (literally massive) MBOX file? Sent from my Galaxy

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Importing mbox file into MM3
by Mark June 23, 2023

June 23, 2023

Hi All I'm trying to import a large mbox file from a MM2 list into a new list on MM3. The new MM3 list has 3 test emails in its archive. # cd /usr/share/mailman3-web/ # python3 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l LISTNAME@DOMAIN /home/mark/tmp/LISTNAME.mbox Importing from mbox file /home/mark/tmp/LISTNAME.mbox to LISTNAME@DOMAIN Computing thread structure Synchronizing properties with Mailman Warming up cache The full-text search index is not updated for this list. It will not be updated by the 'minutely' incremental update job. To update the index for this list, run the Django admin command with arguments 'update_index_one_list LISTNAME@DOMAIN'. That all seems pretty good. Then I attempt to rebuild the archive. # python3 manage.py update_index_one_list LISTNAME@DOMAIN Indexing 3 emails The import or rebuild has failed as it's just rebuilding the existing archive of the 3 test messages. What am I doing wrong? Thanks Mark

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Where in database are subject prefix sequences stored?
by Thomas Ward June 22, 2023

June 22, 2023

I am using numeric prefixes for a list, such that it's `[ListName-000012]`. Where would that sequence indicator be stored in the database? Postorious' database? Hyperkitty's database? I ask because I'm rebuilding a home-grown listserv solution using Mailman3 and the main requirement is the thread IDs being *properly sequential* with the current implementation, so I have to set the "next ID in sequence" to a start value. I don't see this clearly in the DB where the sequence value would be stored, so if anyone knows that'd be great to know so I can get this working. Thomas

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Help needed to create filters that were working in Mailman 2.
by mrl＠psfc.mit.edu June 22, 2023

June 22, 2023

How do I make a filter that if it matches, it accepts the message and doesn't check the remaining filters? I could do this using the anti-spam filters in mailman 2, as there was a Accept option. But there is no Accept option in Mailman 3 (that I can find). I tried using "Default antispam action", but that didn't stop the rest of the filters from being applied. Thanks for any suggestions. - Mark

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toward improving correctness when running on single core system ...
by Nelson Strother June 21, 2023

June 21, 2023

I recognize that most real computer systems now are equipped with multiple CPUs, usually with each CPU having multiple cores or hardware threads. But when one obtains a computer system from a service provider with a small expected load, it is likely that a virtual computer system will provide only a single core. Yes, one can obtain a multi-core virtual system, maybe for only twice the cost; but it would seem wasteful to make that choice solely to support starting and stopping the Mailman3 program when the system load at all other times is satisfied by a single core system. From my observations, mailman 3.3.8 is unreliable when running on a single core system. When `mailman start` is issued, there is a moderately high probability that one or more of the thirteen runner processes will not survive this startup phase. Depending upon the current usage of the mailman installation, one may or may not notice this fact. In either case, `mailman status` provides the same information, with no hint of missing or damaged capabilities when one or more of the runner processes are stillborn. [1] One potential improvement would be to increase the lifetime of the locks used by each of the runner processes during `mailman start`. [2] Based on a small sample of runs of `mailman start`, this change may provide correctness (i.e. I have yet to see a runner process go MIA). But it still seems unsatisfactory for availability / performance, as the elapsed wall clock time for the system to settle down and be functional and responsive is approximately 13 minutes. While this is an improvement from the 20 minute or greater delays observed before making this change, it still differs greatly from the nearly instantaneous startup time experienced on multicore / multiprocessor systems. The best "performance" I have yet obtained on this single core system is WITHOUT the change in [2] below, but by crossing abstraction boundaries and reducing the amount of time this single CPU spends futilely busy waiting for itself when it has not provided an opportunity for another process (maybe even the process currently holding the desired lock) to make any progress. [3] With this change, "only" 9 minutes elapsed wall clock time is wasted (with maybe only the middle 4 minutes at 100% CPU utilization) before the system settles down and is functional and responsive. However, ample room for improvement remains. [4] Please suggest better ideas or corrections. Nelson [1] For a few examples of these failures, see: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… [2] Here is a diff from the original mailman/database/factory.py (or .../mailman/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py if you wish to apply this to an installed system): > 25a26 > > from datetime import timedelta > 53c54,55 > < with Lock(os.path.join(config.LOCK_DIR, 'dbcreate.lck')): > --- > > with Lock(os.path.join(config.LOCK_DIR, 'dbcreate.lck'), > > timedelta(seconds=30)): which increases the delay from the default of 15 seconds to 30 seconds before another process will be empowered to break the lock being held by one of mailman's runner processes, which leads to the death of a process. [3] Here is a diff from the original .../mailman/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py : > 7a8 > > import subprocess > 338a340,344 > > if sys.platform.startswith('linux') and \ > > (len(subprocess.check_output(["lscpu", "-p"]).splitlines()) == 5): > > # there is only one processor [four lines of comments, and only one line for one CPU] > > # let another process run before joining the traffic jam for this lock > > os.system('sleep 20s') For possible similar benefits on other platforms, one should also include variations on this theme using something like e.g.: > > if sys.platform.startswith('win32') and \ > > subprocess.check_output('wmic path win32_Processor get NumberOfLogicalProcessors').strip().endswith(b'1'): I seriously doubt all (or even any?) other users of the flufl.lock package would benefit from this exact change ... but many may benefit from sleeping for e.g. a half-second when on a single core? In the case of Mailman3, sleeping for a fixed duration shorter than 20 seconds retains the original problem of broken locks and runner process death, while sleeping for a fixed duration longer than 20 seconds leads to an increase in both the wall clock delay time as well as the CPU time consumed during `mailman start`. I have not experimented with random or staggered delays, which may further reduce the number of simultaneously blocked waiters for this lock. [4] I have seen `mailman start`complete in less than 1 second wall clock time on a multicore / multiprocessor system. All of these observations made with mailman 3.3.8 as installed via pip.

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How to tell who moderated a post?
by bryan.kartzman＠yu.edu June 21, 2023

June 21, 2023

Is there any way to tell which moderator of a list approved a particular post to that list?

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Re: mailman3 auto-disabling of subscriptions
by Mark Sapiro June 19, 2023

June 19, 2023

On 6/17/23 17:02, Mike Wertheim wrote: > I set `remove_dkim_headers: yes` in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. > > I'm seeing a bunch of these errors in the logs: > 2023-06-17 18:57:11 1qAbMA-005Y7W-HP ** mike.wertheim(a)gmail.com > <mailto:mike.wertheim@gmail.com> R=dnslookup_single_domain > T=remote_smtp_single_domain H=alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com > <http://alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com> [172.253.62.26]: SMTP error > from remote mail server after end of data: 550-5.7.26 Unauthenticated > email from gmail.com <http://gmail.com> is not accepted due to > domain's\n550-5.7.26 DMARC policy. Please contact the administrator of > gmail.com <http://gmail.com> domain\n550-5.7.26 if this was a legitimate > mail. Please visit\n550-5.7.26 > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690 > <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690> to learn about the\n550 > 5.7.26 DMARC initiative. > w13-20020a05622a190d00b003fde5babbf5si1170418qtc.14 - gsmtp Your issue is mail From: the gmail.com domain to the list and sent to gmail users is being bounced because it fails DMARC. I.e. Gmail applies a DMARC policy of p=reject to mail From: gmail.com even though it's published DMARC policy is p=none. You need to apply DMARC mitigations to this mail. Unfortunately, this requires setting DMARC Mitigate unconditionally to Yes. Mailman 2.1 has a feature to apply DMARC mitigation to messages From: specific domains regardless of any domain specific DMARC Policy. Unfortunately this hasn't been implemented in Mailman 3 yet. I just filed https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1084 for that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Where does sender postorius@ come from?
by Jens Günther June 19, 2023

June 19, 2023

I just realized, that mails for registering an account and/or resetting ones password are obviously sent from postorius@SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN. Why are they not sent from MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL? The problem is: - an account is trying to register with a mailaddress from a HostEurope-server - HostEurope-Servers are doing Sender-Callouts (bad practise :-D) to verify that a mailaccount exists - mail is then bouncing, b/c those are not answered (shoud I?): status=bounced (host [80.237.138.5] said: 550-Sender verification is required but failed. - bounce then can't be processed, since mailaccount does not exist :-D status=bounced (mail for SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN loops back to myself) Am I missing something are shouldn't it be better to send those mails from MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL? (I don't want to mess with these sender callouts or change anything, HostEurope has been a little bit of a pain in the ... with mailinglists and not much help at all). Thanks in advance, Jens.

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Proxy error.
by Mark London June 18, 2023

June 18, 2023

My server has several aliases. And Chrome's cookies sometimes get messed up because of it. Several users get a proxy error when trying to connect to the mailman website. One person just fixed it by clearling cookies, although this is not a great solution. Error log says "You may need to add 'psfcmail2.psfc.mit.edu' to ALLOWED_HOSTS". But it is already there in /etc/mailman/settings.py Or should it go elsewhere? Thanks. - Mark Chrome: Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request Reason: Error reading from remote server Apache/2.4.52 (Ubuntu) Server at lists.psfc.mit.edu Port 443Error log: ERROR 2023-06-18 19:11:11,568 2114 django.security.DisallowedHost Invalid HTTP_HOST header: 'psfcmail2.psfc.mit.edu'. You may need to add 'psfcmail2.psfc.mit.edu' to ALLOWED_HOSTS. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 56, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py", line 135, in __call__ response = self.process_request(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/middleware/common.py", line 48, in process_request host = request.get_host() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/http/request.py", line 152, in get_host raise DisallowedHost(msg) django.core.exceptions.DisallowedHost: Invalid HTTP_HOST header: 'psfcmail2.psfc.mit.edu'. You may need to add 'psfcmail2.psfc.mit.edu' to ALLOWED_HOSTS

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mailman3 auto-disabling of subscriptions
by Mike Wertheim June 17, 2023

June 17, 2023

I'm running an email list on mailman3. My users are getting inundated by messages saying that their subscriptions have been disabled due to their bounce score exceeding the mailing list's bounce_score_threshold. But there is nothing wrong with these users' email accounts. They are all perfectly fine. Apparently the issue is somehow related to spam. Whenever I (as admin) get these emails, I just unsubscribe the user and then re-subscribe them. But also, the user gets confused and emails me about it, which unnecessarily takes up their time and mine. The relevant list settings are currently... bounce score threshold: 5 bounce info stale after: 7d bounce disabled warning interval: 7d bounce disable warnings: 5 What's the best way to fix this? I'm considering reducing "bounce info stale after" to "2d" and/or increasing "bounce disabled warning interval" to "90d".

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Postorius -owner messages
by ssehi＠nebraska.edu June 16, 2023

June 16, 2023

I manage a number of lists for non-technical users that are considered owners of their own lists. Some of them have expressed that they would like to emulate some other mailing list services' "Quiet" owners for people that need to be able to access the list settings for administrative reconciliation as well as a fallback, but want to leave subscription requests or approval of messages to others that are more involved in the day-to-day management. They'd like to disable owner delivery for themselves, and I'd like to not make the change for them using the shell every time I get one of their requests. We have a Postorius front end set up and working, but it doesn't appear that disabling delivery using the List-based preferences in the Postorius interface stops those Owner communications. Is there a way to allow users to disable that natively in Postorius? Thanks, Sam

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Apache proxy error messages.
by Mark London June 15, 2023

June 15, 2023

I have two users who are getting a proxy error message when they try to connect her our mailman server: Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request Reason: Error reading from remote server Apache/2.4.52 (Ubuntu) Server at lists.psfc.mit.edu Has anybody else in an errorlike this before? One person manage to get around this by going in incognito mode on the browser. Does that make any sense?

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unrequested unsubscription
by Mike Wertheim June 15, 2023

June 15, 2023

I have a Mailman 3 email list, running on Mailman 3.3.3 on Debian 11. A few of the list members are reporting that they received Email Address Unsubscription Confirmation emails, but claim that they never requested to be unsubscribed. (All are Gmail users. but they might be coincidental, since most list members are Gmail users.) Has anyone seen this behavior before? Any ideas on what might be happening?

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SSO
by bryan.kartzman＠yu.edu June 15, 2023

June 15, 2023

Is it possible to set up SSO so that once users (owners,moderators) set up an account in Postorius on the mailman3 server we have created , they can authenticate against Azure to login instead of the password for the local account Postorius created?

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How to remove a message with an invalid Message-Id?
by McGuire, Tommy M. (MSFC-IS61)[EAST2] June 14, 2023

June 14, 2023

I have a fun problem: apparently a message sent to a mailing list has an invalid Message-Id (I think), which is causing the message parse to fail while attempting to archive the message. Unfortunately, the message seems to be trapped somewhere and resulting in error logging every few minutes. Is there any way to find and remove the message? Literally, the only thing I've been able to find out about it is that the Message-Id contains the text "[83c48dddbea7492e873224a5ae1c04be-JFBVALKQOJXWILKNK4YVA7CBPJ2XEZKEMV3E64DTPRCW2YLJNR6EK6DPKNWXI4A=(a)microsoft.com]>". The actual errors in the mailmanweb.log are: ERROR 2023-06-14 21:49:40,692 3165793 django.request Internal Server Error: /archives/api/mailman/archive Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2069, in get_msg_id token, value = get_dot_atom_text(value) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1334, in get_dot_atom_text raise errors.HeaderParseError("expected atom at a start of " email.errors.HeaderParseError: expected atom at a start of dot-atom-text but found '[83c48dddbea7492e873224a5ae1c04be-JFBVALKQOJXWILKNK4YVA7CBPJ2XEZKEMV3E64DTPRCW2YLJNR6EK6DPKNWXI4A=(a)microsoft.com]>' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/app/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/app/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/app/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/app/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py", line 40, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/app/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 118, in _decorator return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/app/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py", line 54, in wrapped_view return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/app/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 164, in archive add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/app/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py", line 65, in add_to_list msg_id = get_message_id(message) File "/app/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 60, in get_message_id msg_id = email.utils.unquote(re.sub(r'\s', '', message['Message-Id'])) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/email/message.py", line 391, in __getitem__ return self.get(name) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/email/message.py", line 471, in get return self.policy.header_fetch_parse(k, v) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/email/policy.py", line 163, in header_fetch_parse return self.header_factory(name, value) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 607, in __call__ return self[name](name, value) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 202, in __new__ cls.parse(value, kwds) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 535, in parse kwds['parse_tree'] = parse_tree = cls.value_parser(value) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2126, in parse_message_id token, value = get_msg_id(value) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2073, in get_msg_id token, value = get_obs_local_part(value) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1516, in get_obs_local_part if (obs_local_part[0].token_type == 'dot' or IndexError: list index out of range The errors in the mailman.log are even less useful; they're basically copies of the HTML error page. Jun 14 17:05:02 2023 (3165816) HyperKitty failure on https://lists.nasa.gov/archives/api/mailman/archive: ... <div class="alert alert-danger">An error occurred while processing your request.</div> ... Jun 14 17:05:02 2023 (3165816) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: ... Jun 14 17:05:02 2023 (3165816) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/app/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 151, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File "/app/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 207, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: ... <div class="alert alert-danger">An error occurred while processing your request.</div> ... Any help would be appreciated! Tommy M. McGuire Tommy.M.McGuire(a)nasa.gov

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Is there a simple way to remove the footer without having to add a customized template?
by Mark London June 14, 2023

June 14, 2023

I simply want to have no footer for a mailing list. Can I do that without having to create a customized template? Thanks.

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Re: Why is a mailing list not sending the moderator subscribe or post notifications?
by Mark London June 14, 2023

June 14, 2023

Argh, that is it! Thanks!!!! Admin immed notify YesNo Should the list moderators get immediate notice of new requests, as well as daily notices about collected ones? List moderators (and list administrators) are sent daily reminders of requests pending approval, like subscriptions to a moderated list, or postings that are being held for one reason or another. Setting this option causes notices to be sent immediately on the arrival of new requests as well. On 6/14/2023 4:36 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > *action to take when _a post is held for moderation_*

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Why is a mailing list not sending the moderator subscribe or post notifications?
by Mark London June 14, 2023

June 14, 2023

Hi - I migrated from mailman 2 to mailman 3. All but one list is working correctly. That list is not sending the moderator any emails. It appears to configured exactly like the other lists. I.e. subscription requests and moderated users posts don't generate any emails to the moderator (me). I tried changing moderator email addresses, and everything else I could think of, but nothing worked. What can I do to debug this problem? This list is much larger than any of my other lists. And has a huge archive. I doubt that is a factor, but I’ll mention it anyway. Also, how do I run the command to remind me of awaiting moderation requests, so that I can run it hourly? In case this can’t be fixed quickly. As an aside, I had some mailman 2 lists that had no moderators. I could swear that for them, that the owners would get moderated requests. Am I hallucinating? I can't check the old server any longer. Thanks. – Mark

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Setting moderation_action when approving a message from a non-member fails
by Tom Smyth June 13, 2023

June 13, 2023

Hello! When a message is held due to it being from a non-member, I notice that Mailman creates a non-member record for the sender automatically. This is great! But if I try to set their moderation action while approving the message in Postorius, I get: Failed to set moderation action: xxx(a)gmail.com is not a member address of xxx(a)xxx.org Is this expected? I would like to be able to set the moderation action for the non-member that has already been created. I am on Postorius v1.3.2. Thanks! -- Tom Smyth (he/him)

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Read-Mostly list?
by Stephen Daniel June 10, 2023

June 10, 2023

I wish to have a list that anyone can read. A few designated people can post without moderation, and all other users are moderated. Is this possible? I don't see a way in the list settings to create users who are not moderated when the default action is to moderate. Thanks! -- Steve

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Mailman sends Welcome emails, but does not send [List] postings emails
by justfixit＠marilynstrother.com June 10, 2023

June 10, 2023

Having recently installed this same version of mailman (GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer)) a few times successfully, I have a puzzle with a current new installation. Via the command line I can create lists and add members, and the new members receive their Welcome message from mailman. But when a member sends an email to post to a list (e.g. hc(a)cs.org as shown here), the mailserver delivers it to mailman: May 29 16:36:58 localhost postfix/lmtp[44386]: E762E427CB: to=<hc(a)cs.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.84, delays=0.8/0/0.01/0.03, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) but no copy is sent to the members / subscribers. After the posts are received by mailman (as recorded in /var/tmp/mailman/logs/smtp.log), nothing more is added in any of the log files in /var/tmp/mailman/logs/... An attempt to imitate a technique seen elsewhere for [logging.smtp] for leaving some breadcrumbs by adding into mailman.cfg: - - - [logging.subscribe] level: debug path: mailman.log - - - and restarting mailman led to no detectable change. Expecting no change, I even changed for one UNmoderated list: >>> dump_json('http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists/hc.cs.org' ... '/config/default_member_action', ... dict(default_member_action='accept'), 'PATCH', ... username='...', password='...') date: Mon, 29 May 2023 16:31:31 GMT server: gunicorn status: 204 the default_member_action from 'defer' to 'accept' to rule out some moderation process delay. How can I enable some kind of trace or gather more information to learn where this configuration is in error? Cheers, Nelson

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Migration failure (2.1.29 to 3.3.8 on Debian testing)
by {16/7} June 8, 2023

June 8, 2023

Hello, I have both the mailman and mailman3-full packages installed on my machine and I'm following the migration guide located here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html Running the command { mailman import21 mylist(a)mysite.com /var/lib/mailman/lists/mylist/config.pck } completes once I create the list but states that it cannot convert the msg_footer and digest_footer mailing list attributes. (I might also point out that the { mailman create mylist(a)mysite.com } command isn't actually documented on that webpage.) I can't seem to find the manage.py script in my $PATH and after searching, I find it as part of the mailman3-web package. When I run { sudo -H -u list python manage.py hyperkitty_import mylist(a)mysite.com /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox }, it fails with "ImportError: No module named django.core.management". If I run the script directly as { sudo -H -u list /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py ... }, I get "PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py'". By default, settings_local.py's group is www-data, and not knowing where to go next, I decided to try changing that file's group to list. When I re-ran the command (as user list), I got a Python traceback that gives "PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log'". Next, I changed the file's group back to list and decided to try running the manage.py script as the www-data user. This results in "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/conf.py:139: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured." and "System check identified some issues:" followed by a list of "Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'" warnings for a number of Django tables. At the end of this list is "CommandError: The list address must be given on the command-line". But it *was* given. My questions are: 1. How do I undo any damage (if any) my efforts may have caused? 2. What's the correct way to run manage.py?

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Subscribe to a list on a Mailman3 server without account registration
by c.buhtz＠posteo.jp June 6, 2023

June 6, 2023

Hello, I might miss something here but I'm confused about a difference between Mailman2 and 3. On MM2 I just subscribed a mailinglist via my EMail address. I didn't need to create an account on the MM2 server first. But it seems on MM3 it is otherwise. For example I use MM3 on python.org. It seems I have to register first before subscribing to a mailing list. https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/twisted-web.python.org/ Is this observation correct? Kind Christian

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mailman break DKIM signature by modifying body
by Peter Münster June 6, 2023

June 6, 2023

Hi, I'm using mailman 3.3.8. Some messages with attachments from Google users get rejected by spam filters because of invalid DKIM signatures. It seems, that mailman alters some lines in the body. Here an example: Original message: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Lines: 2031 --000000000000f846c505fc494b7a-- --000000000000f846c705fc494b7c Content-Type: application/pdf; [...] Content-Disposition: attachment; [...] --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Altered message: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Lines: 2032 --000000000000f846c505fc494b7a-- --000000000000f846c705fc494b7c Content-Type: application/pdf; [...] Content-Disposition: attachment; [...] --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- An empty line is added, and the spaces after the semicolons are removed. Perhaps related to https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1079. What could I do please, to prevent such modifications of the body? TIA for any help, -- Peter

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Why are "Subscription options" left unselected if I don't manually select them?
by mrl＠psfc.mit.edu June 1, 2023

June 1, 2023

When I subscribe to a mailing list, and I don't manually select some of the "Subscription options", they are left unselected when I go back to look at them. I would have thought that if I didn't make a selection, that they would be set to a default option. Or am I wrong? Thanks.

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dmarc mitigation debug
by Thomas Krichel June 1, 2023

June 1, 2023

Hi gang! I have a list with DMARC mitigation action "Replace From: with list address" DMARC Mitigate unconditionally "Yes". But list posts still have the poster's From:, breaking DMARC. How can I debug this? For a start, I looked in my sqlite database. Changes on the web interface list settings seem to be correctly applied to the database. But I don't see a "munge_from" in the fields of a list in the database. -- Written by Thomas Krichel http://openlib.org/home/krichel on his 21181st day.

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Importing mailman 2 shows member's "Moderation Action" = "Default processing". But new members show = "None". Why
by mrl＠psfc.mit.edu May 30, 2023

May 30, 2023

I imported my mailing lists from mailman 2. If I view the Members, it say "Moderation Action" = "Default processing". But when I now subscribe myself or other people to the list, and view the new Members, it say "Moderation Action" = "None" for them. Should that be happening? The mailing list 's "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" setting is set to "Default processing". Thanks. - Mark

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How do you remove the Hold on all non-member forwarded emails?
by Sean Westfall May 26, 2023

May 26, 2023

Hi Mailman3 users, I have recently started using mailman3 and it's a wonderful piece of software. But I am having trouble using one of its configurations. I configured my mailmain3 instance to accept all non-member emails, as I want all emails that are sent to the mailman client to go to all subscribers without having it held for moderation -- I did this by setting this setting: https://i.imgur.com/PGzaD0k.png Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined. (Details for generic_nonmember_action) -> "Accept" But this doesn't work for forwarded emails. Even if the email address that is being forwarded from is included in the "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted." I noticed that all emails that are forwarded to the mailing list are always held for moderation -- though this isn't the case for email that are sent to the mailing list directly. But I want it so that emails that are even forwarded to my mailman mailing list don't get held in moderation. How do I set mailman to do this? I was thinking if there is no way to configure this easily then I might have to do this from the code, which means I might have to ask on the developer mailing list -- or I have to go with an entirely different solution (using something other than mailman3). I hope someone here is willing to help, and in either case thanks for anyone that is willing enough to read this. Sincerely,

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How to edit default 'Reject (with notification)' message
by Zaheer Abbas May 26, 2023

May 26, 2023

Dear all, I want to modify the default text sent in response to when we select 'Reject (with Notification)' in 'Message Acceptance > Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list' settings. Currently, the default rejection text is as follows: "Your message to the $list was rejected for the following reasons: The message is not from a list member The original message as received by Mailman is attached." I have created a template with the option, "Notice sent to a poster when their message has been rejected by the list’s moderator." but it only works if message acceptance is set to 'Hold for Moderation' and then the moderator rejects the post manually. Is there any source file, which I can modify to replace the default rejection text mentioned above? Sincerely, Zee

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Virtual alias + shell
by alopez＠ac.upc.edu May 26, 2023

May 26, 2023

Hello, I want to have a mailman configured together with virtual alias. To do that I need to use alias_domain. I have tried to do it with mailman shell. The domain seams to be created but when I leave the shell and enter again, the domain is not longer there. On the other hand, If I create a domain in administrator interface, it is not listed in the shell. If I create in the web interface, which field correspond to the alias_domain : Domain Name, Display Name , Mail domain? The code I use in the shell is: mailman shell from mailman.interfaces.domain import IDomainManager from zope.component import getUtility manager = getUtility(IDomainManager) from operator import attrgetter def show_domains(*, with_owners=False): if len(manager) == 0: print('no domains') return for domain in sorted(manager, key=attrgetter('mail_host')): print(domain) owners = sorted(owner.addresses[0].email for owner in domain.owners) for owner in owners: print('- owner:', owner) manager.add('example.edu',alias_domain='x.example.edu') show_domains(with_owners=True) exit() Thanks in advance Albert

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Subscribing users stuck in pending hell
by Quanah Gibson-Mount May 25, 2023

May 25, 2023

Hi, We frequently end up with users who never receive their email to confirm their account, leaving them in a netherworld where they cannot become list members. If I try to subscribe them via the mass subscribe option, it says I can't because their subscription is pending. If I go to subscription requests, it says there are 0. If I go to "non-members" in the UI, I can find them, but I don't see an option to convert them to members. So what's the solution to getting these people subscribed and no longer stuck in limbo? Thanks! --Quanah

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not correct language in subject(s)
by Jens Günther May 24, 2023

May 24, 2023

When receiving all types of system mails from mailman3 (3.3.8) there are almost all the subjects in English, althought text is in German. Am I missing somehting? The option to have the list in german is toggled and so far all the mails are in german ... also templates on different levels work fine, either en or de, but obviously the subjects are not translated (?) or taken from an English template. Any hint is appreciated, regards, Jens.

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Please contact me Odhiambo Washington...
by Marisa Giancarla May 24, 2023

May 24, 2023

For some reason your mail got deleted, not sure why, and I don't have your email address saved :( Sorry to bother others... Marisa

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Template URI gets written incorrectly
by Mark Dale May 24, 2023

May 24, 2023

Hi, When I create a template, it writes the URI incorrectly into the template table in the mailman3 database and the list stops working. For example, it writes: http://localhost/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/markslist.lists.post… When I correct it like so, all is well: https://lists.postmark.io/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/markslist.l… Have I missed a config setting somewhere, or is this a bug with the older Debian Mailman 3.3.3 ? /Mark

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Multiple server replicas
by Dave Hall May 24, 2023

May 24, 2023

Hello. Our Mailman 2.1 setup included 4 replica servers, all with Mailman, Exim4, Apache, etc. The configuration for the 4 mailman server instances were synchronized by linking most of the directories in /var/lib/mailman to an NFS share that is mounted on all 4 servers. Cron jobs were staggered such that an hourly job would run every 4 hours on each server, yet still get run hourly. With Mailman 3 we would like to keep the same kind of setup. However, things have changed quite a bit. Having both mailman and mailman-web instances all share their respective MySql/MariaDB databases is the easy part. For /var/lib/mailman3 it is a little less clear. So far I have symlinked messages, archives, lists, data, and templates onto the NFS share. I'm wondering about cache, locks, queue, and web/fulltext_index. Is there any standard or documented way of doing this? Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University kdhall(a)binghamton.edu

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Apache shows No Lists
by ceo＠sartrack.nz May 24, 2023

May 24, 2023

Running Debian 11. I have 6 mailing lists, but Apache2 says there are no lists. I have not been able to set up Postorius because nowhere is any information on *where* the configuration file is supposed to be located. I have found an example in /usr/share/doc/python3-django-hyperkitty/examples/settings.py But I don't know if this example is the right one, and I have no idea where the final file should go...

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mass remove pending confirmation
by Jens Günther May 23, 2023

May 23, 2023

Running Mailman 3.3.8 with docker. ----- Since we migrate some lists from mailman2 to 3, there are a lot of new users/subscribers and an admin made the mistake to not checkbox the 3. option that the users don't need to verify their address. Now we have a long list of pending confirmations in different lists. Is there an easy way in the shell to mass remove these pending mailaddresses so that we don't have to do that one by one? That would be awsome. Regards, Jens.

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Mailman3 / Exim4: Router fails
by ceo＠sartrack.nz May 22, 2023

May 22, 2023

After updating my Linux server, my old Mailman 2.1 was wiped out. I now spend 2 full days desperately trying to get Mailman3 to work with Exim4 (and Apache2) Nothing works so far. At this point I am stuck with a failing Exim4 "Router" I have set Mailman3 to use Exim in the config. In Exim4 I have set all required Mailman3 options. But it fails with this: MM3_LISTCHK=/var/lib/mailman3/lists/${local_part}@${domain} (Email to: templist(a)sartrack.nz - The list exists in Mailman3) Exim4 debug: 19:15:47 100472 --------> mailman3_router router <-------- 19:15:47 100472 local_part=info domain=sartrack.nz 19:15:47 100472 checking domains 19:15:47 100472 sartrack.nz in "sartrack.nz"? yes (matched "sartrack.nz") 19:15:47 100472 data from lookup saved for cache for +mm_domains: key 'sartrack.nz' value 'sartrack.nz' 19:15:47 100472 sartrack.nz in "+mm_domains"? yes (matched "+mm_domains") 19:15:47 100472 checking require_files 19:15:47 100472 ╭considering: /var/lib/mailman3/lists/${local_part}@${domain} 19:15:47 100472 ├──expanding: /var/lib/mailman3/lists/${local_part}@${domain} 19:15:47 100472 ╰─────result: /var/lib/mailman3/lists/info(a)sartrack.nz 19:15:47 100472 ╰──(tainted) 19:15:47 100472 file check: /var/lib/mailman3/lists/${local_part}@${domain} 19:15:47 100472 expanded file: /var/lib/mailman3/lists/info(a)sartrack.nz 19:15:47 100472 stat() yielded -1 19:15:47 100472 errno = 2 19:15:47 100472 mailman3_router router skipped: file check Can somebody please help. I have no idea what is wrong here.

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Is there a correct way to remove the "Are you sure you want to logout" screen?
by Mark London May 21, 2023

May 21, 2023

Hi - Is there a correct way to remove the "Are you sure you want to logout" screen, after I select to logout? It seems so impossible to accidentally logout. And even if I did, it's just very easy to log back in. I did hack logout.html, and used jquery to automatically click the button. But that feels like a real hack. Although it does work. :) - Mark

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Heads Up - Downtime
by Mark Sapiro May 20, 2023

May 20, 2023

We are moving the server that supports this list and that which supports our wiki to a different cloud VPS. In conjunction with this, there will be some time beginning around 16:30 UTC and continuing for about an hour when lists.mailman3.org, www.list.org and wiki.list.org will be unavailable. During this down time, mail to <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> should be queued in the respective MTAs and delivered when service is restored. Nothing should be lost. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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spf/dkim/dmarc
by Christian May 20, 2023

May 20, 2023

How does Mailman handle spf/dkim/dmarc? Specifically, does it re-signature originating sender emails not caring whether or not the originating email has proper spf/dkim/dmarc signatures? Or does it NOT re-signature originating sender email, i.e. just pass them through without alteration?

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Hyperkitty using wrong email address in archive view
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au May 18, 2023

May 18, 2023

Hi Folks, I notice that for people with multiple email addresses, the email address that appears as the 'FROM' address in the hyperkitty archive is not the primary address, nor is it the address that the email actually came from, but the address that was created first. (Hyperkitty version 1.3.7) When I click on that from address in the archive view, I see all the email addresses for the user -- these do not match up with the ones in the django admin screen from .../admin/account/emailaddress/ When I see 'User profile for Fred Frog' it shows obsolete addresses (not subscribed, not in the Django profile for the user). How can I as administrator get rid of bogus addresses? Or do I have to ask each user to do this? and how can I ensure that the email address displayed in the archive is the primary address, not some address that no longer works? Peter C

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Making "Mass subscribe" and "Mass removal" their own buttons in list_nav.html What stupid thing have I done wrong?
by mrl＠psfc.mit.edu May 18, 2023

May 18, 2023

I want "Mass subscribe" and "Mass removal" as their own buttons, since I use them so much. I modified nav_list.html. See below. While the new buttons go to the correct page, the buttons don't get highlighted. I believe ootstrap navbar should be assigning "nav-link.active" class to the button that is clicked. But it doesn't. All the other buttons below work correctly. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. - Mark <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/templates" class="nav-link ">Templates</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/mass_subscribe/" class="nav-link ">Mass subscribe</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/mass_removal/" class="nav-link ">Mass removal</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/header-matches/" class="nav-link ">Header filters</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/delete" class=" nav-link">Delete</a></li>

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Problem user
by Itay Malka May 18, 2023

May 18, 2023

Hello everyone, I use mailman3 And I have one user who every time receives reports on a mailing list that he is not the administrator of, he is only registered to it How can I cancel it? could not find This is the email Message-ID: <CABPnsAo5vT8YKXiaHk0E2qs8CRs8nP13B9T9n5x4Yc8n7iLV3Q(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000069e01c05fbde1416" --00000000000069e01c05fbde1416 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 16rXldeT15QNCg== --00000000000069e01c05fbde1416 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGRpdiBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPteq15XXk9eUPC9kaXY+DQo= --00000000000069e01c05fbde1416-- End of Dental-medicine-faculty-council Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 ************************************************************* Regards

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Sendgrid experiences
by Andrew Hodgson May 17, 2023

May 17, 2023

Hi. I am temporarily using Sendgrid now on my Mailman instance. Initial observations have been positive. A list with 100 users is racking up email delivers though, I am on the basic paid account which gives me 50k emails per month. I was hoping to use a cheaper provider and pay overage costs per email on the assumption that I'm seeing a spike in traffic today because people have started getting the messages again. Sendgrid is maintaining the Message-Id header which is good for archiving. It is re-writing the Return-Path header though which means that bounce handling in Mailman won't work, but I think all the services do this in some way so I am happy to live with that for the moment. Hope this helps. Andrew.

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hyperkitty_import Unicode Errors
by Dave Hall May 16, 2023

May 16, 2023

Hello. When running hyperkitty_import to import Mailman 2.1 archives, I frequently get errors like django.db.utils.OperationalError: (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xE1\\x90\\xA7\\x0A\\x0AO...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") Is there a known cause for this? Is it fixed in some release more recent than 0+20180916? Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University kdhall(a)binghamton.edu

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Need help getting MM3 up and running on Ubuntu 20.04
by Marisa Giancarla May 15, 2023

May 15, 2023

I asked for help before and someone helped me, but I couldn't pay the amount he requested right away and all my contact info for hoim seemed toi disappear so I am asking again. I can't afford to pay but I can provide monthly data center hosting in return. I need it running on Ubuntu 20.04. If you can help please email me at fstltna(a)yahoo.com. Thanks! Marisa

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Make archives private by default
by Johannes Rohr May 11, 2023

May 11, 2023

Dear all, in mailman2 there was a setting that ensured that the archives of newly created lists are by default privat ( DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 Is there something similar in Mailman3? Johannes

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Problem with Gmail; bulk email
by Lars Bjørndal May 10, 2023

May 10, 2023

Does someone have tips in how to solve the problem? Look at the log: mai 09 06:16:52 dalen.lamasti.net postfix/smtp[2174424]: 8163214C1740: to=<example(a)gmail.com>, relay=alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.250.157.27]:25, delay=50885, delays=50875/0.04/6.5/3.7, dsn=4.7.28, status=deferred (host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.250.157.27] said: 421-4.7.28 [185.181.61.11 15] Our system has detected an unusual rate of 421-4.7.28 unsolicited mail originating from your IP address. To protect our 421-4.7.28 users from spam, mail sent from your IP address has been temporarily 421-4.7.28 rate limited. Please visit 421-4.7.28 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError to 421 4.7.28 review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. 14-20020a63184e000000b00519f8ebcc5esi643336pgy.121 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command)) I have added the domain where the mailman list lives on to the google-site-verification TXT record in DNS. That seems to have no effect. Thanks Lars -- Lars Bjørndal <lars(a)lamasti.net> Ostadalsveien 64, 0753 Oslo. Mobil: 958 37 537

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Replace "visit your dashboard" with URL link, like in Mailman 2.
by Mark London May 9, 2023

May 9, 2023

Has anybody attempted to change the format of the emails that are sent to the owner of a mailing list, to include a URL, instead of stating "visit your dashboard"? The former is the behavior of Mailman 2. Is there any reason why this can't be done? If nobody has tried to do so yet, I'll give it a try myself, as I'm familiar with django. Thanks. - Mark At your convenience, visit: https://.../mailman/admindb/... to approve or deny the request. The message is being held because: The message is not from a list member At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the request.

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Installed from Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10, web not quite working
by volkmar＠grote-family.com May 8, 2023

May 8, 2023

Hi, today I installed MM3 with Nginx on Debian 11 following the document with a bit of "Mailman 3 installation experience" thrown in (many thanks to the authors!) with some minor changes, i.e. no encryption, and "re_path" instead of "url". I cannot get the web interface to run. "admin" is OK, but Postorius und Hyperkitty refuse to show up with > Page not found (404) > Request Method: GET > Request URL: http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3/lists/ > > Using the URLconf defined in urls, Django tried these URL patterns, in this order: > > ^$ > ^postorius/ > ^hyperkitty/ > ^user-profile/delete$ [name='mm_user_account_delete'] > ^user-profile/$ [name='mm_user_profile'] > ^accounts/ > ^admin/ > > The current path, mailman3/lists/, didn’t match any of these. > > You’re seeing this error because you have DEBUG = True in your Django settings file. Change that to False, and Django will display a standard 404 page. The error logs are all OK, the GET requests are logged without any error. My urls.py: > (venv) mailman@me:/opt/mailman/mm$ grep -v "^#" urls.py > from django.contrib import admin > from django.urls import include, reverse_lazy, re_path > from django.views.generic import RedirectView > > urlpatterns = [ > re_path(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view( > url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), > permanent=True)), > re_path(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > re_path(r'^hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > re_path(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), > re_path(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), > # Django admin > re_path(r'^admin/', admin.site.urls), > ] It must be something either really complex or, most likely, rather stupid. I switched from PC Assembler and C to Unix shell scripts some three decades ago, so I must admit that my Python skills are zero, my idea of the inner workings of all the packages is very vague. Any hints where I may look for installation errors? TIA Volkmar

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Response for Admins only
by Michael Schaarschmidt May 8, 2023

May 8, 2023

Hello, I’m an administrator of a MM3 with a lot of lists, which are generated and maintained through the rest api. For testing reasons I am looking for a way to send a test mail with a ping to a list in MM3 from a mail address of an administrator to get a pong from the MM3 - or even better - get a response with the status of the list like number of recipients, number of mails waiting for moderation, etc. Does exist a solution for such a purpose? Regards, Michael -- Michael Schaarschmidt Martin-Luther-University Halle-Wittenberg IT-Center Kurt-Mothes-Str. 1 06120 Halle (Saale) Germany

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messages in queue/shunt
by Christian May 7, 2023

May 7, 2023

Can/should old messages residing in queue/shunt be manually removed? I see they were delivered. Is there any reason to leave them there? Thank you!!

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templates
by Christian May 6, 2023

May 6, 2023

I'm having issues with my lists. For each list I have created a template [ list:user:action:subscribe ]which has a prospective subscriber have to consent to list rules before they are subscribed. This template I created is listed in Postorius for each list. I have noticed that there are no other templates listed in Postorius. Furthermore, there is no 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates/. Help (please)!

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Permission Denied "/opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/..."
by Peter Knowles May 6, 2023

May 6, 2023

I am writing my own archive reader script in PHP which parses the "maildir" content produced by the "prototype" archiver. When I try to access the contents from "opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/prototype/LISTNAME/new" folder I get a permission denied error. *** I'm using the "file_get_contents" PHP command to access the file. ***

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Re: Python is updated
by Mark London May 6, 2023

May 6, 2023

Because of my own personal horror stories of waking up to finding high priority linux servers broken, due to nightly automated updates, I now prevent automatic updates on my servers. I only do manual security updates. In addition to implementing modern security techniques for our network. That is just my personal belief system. It's worked for the past 25 years. The only time we ever got hacked, was because of some stupid php scripts that our developers had put online, or because people's passwords had become leaked. And some of those situations were nightmares also. In two case of which, happened while I was away on vacation, and I had to fix everything remotely. But that was never due to updates. I probably shouldn't express my opinion. But I have a lot of empathy for the guy who discovered his mailman broken due to upgraded Python. Which triggered my nightmares. But it's great though to have a very responsive community here, to bring people back from the dead. - Mark

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Default Setting for 'Results per Page' and other Web Pull-downs
by Dave Hall May 5, 2023

May 5, 2023

Hello. For the past several months I've been in the process of migrating from Mailman2 to Mailman3 (along with many other tasks). I've just started to use the web interface heavily as I am finally doing the full migration of all my 2.1 lists. Before I ask my question, I am currently running Debian 10 which supplies mailman-3.2.1 and mailman-web 0+20180916, which are definitely old at this point. Although I will soon move to Debian 11, I am still constrained to stick to Debian packages. So if this has been fixed or enhanced in a future version I'm sorry for asking an old question. My question: when I go to any page that has a list (of lists, of members, or archives), there are pulldowns like 'Results per page' that seem to reset to the minimum number when I refresh the page. There are others like 'Hide inactive' on the Archives page. What I'm looking for is a per-user way to customize these values so I don't have to keep on setting them to the value I prefer. If that is available in a later release then I have something to look forward to. If not, it sure would be nice to have. Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University kdhall(a)binghamton.edu

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Amazon SES, Message-ID, and mailman
by Sam Darwin May 5, 2023

May 5, 2023

Hi, We are running a mailman 2 mailing list, soon to upgrade to mailman 3. We recently switch the mail gateway from mailgun to Amazon SES. There's a new problem that the mailman 2 archives are not able to group threads together the way they were before. Moreover, end users have their own mail clients that display the list messages, and they are complaining about issues in their local mail clients. It seems to be related to the mail header fields Message-ID: , References: , and In-Reply-To: . Amazon SES rewrites the Message-ID. Therefore, it won't match the original Message-ID, and so the second reply email won't matched with the first email in a web archive display. Additionally, email replies are often sent both to the list and to individual participants, and so it's important that both of these copies have the identical message id. Has anyone else used Amazon SES as a mail gateway, and did you have success with it? Does this interpretation of the problem seem reasonable? Would it make sense to briefly discuss "Amazon SES" in an FAQ section of the mailman documentation? Thanks, Sam

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Change delivery_status of a member by using the rest api
by Michael Schaarschmidt May 4, 2023

May 4, 2023

Hello, I would like to set or change the delivery_status of a list member by using the rest api. The curl request looks like curl \ -X PATCH \ -H "Content-Type: application/json“ \ -H "Accept: application/json“ \ -u restadmin:secret_password \ -d "@./foo_patch.json“ \ "http://127.0.0.1:8001/3.1/members/ebcdd09bb8d84758a135c3449023701e“ With the json-file: { „delivery_status“: „by_user“ } I get an error message: {"title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Unexpected parameters: delivery_status“} Is there a way to change the attribute `delivery_status` of an existing member by using the rest api? Cheers, Michael Schaarschmidt ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Postorius install - missing python modules
by Marco F May 3, 2023

May 3, 2023

Hello, On AlmaLinux 8.7, after Configuring Mailman and Setting up my database (postgres), and hooking up my mailserver (Exim), the instructions proceed to Set up Postorius: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/setup.html I've tried `pip install postorius`, as well as the latest version, cloning and `pip install -e .`. I've tried with multiple python versions, all with the results: ModuleNotFoundError. Here's highlights of one example: ``` dnf update -y dnf upgrade -y dnf install -y python39 alternatives --config python3 » python3 -V Python 3.9.13 pip3 install postorius git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius.git cd postorius pip3 install -e . cd example_project ~/postorius/example_project (master)» » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'debug_toolbar' » pip3 install debug_toolbar ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement debug_toolbar (from versions: none) ERROR: No matching distribution found for debug_toolbar » pip3 install django-debug-toolbar ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel' » pip3 install requests_panel ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel' » pip3 install django-requests-panel ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel.panel' # I tried a bunch of different modules, none resolved the error, finally tried this & it did: » cd $( dirname $( locate requests_panel/panels.py ) ) && cp -pv panels.py panel.py » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_wrapper' » pip3 install requests_wrapper ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ImportError: cannot import name '_total_seconds' from 'requests_wrapper' (/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/requests_wrapper/__init__.py) ```

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looking for more detailed traceback for shunted message
by bob B May 3, 2023

May 3, 2023

Had a message get shunted in /opt/mailman/core/var/queue/shunt/. *** but that is the location in the docker environment, which we are running. The mailman log shows: Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 2e0e82a5-0924-1777-bed8-34862417fe7e@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 1198-1200: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) SHUNTING: 1682514596.7976818+6067e5ddeb70e4aad97977071b5ed00c41999057 Apr 26 13:10:14 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 367fa8b7-97ac-58b3-fb99-458dbb951f5d@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:10:14 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 367fa8b7-97ac-58b3-fb99-458dbb951f5d@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 1198-1200: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) SHUNTING: 1682514616.5346222+7292ba8b651bc1bd76a9098733a39090e092add2 Is there anyway to get more info, Is there a more detailed traceback somewhere?

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Python is updated
by Lars Bjørndal April 29, 2023

April 29, 2023

Hi, list! As the machine I'm running Mailman on now is upgraded from Fedora 36 to 37, the Python version is upgraded from 3.10 to 3.11. How do I update Mailman in the virutal environment? Thanks, Lars

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How to see the admin password reset in docker with mailman3
by bob B April 27, 2023

April 27, 2023

I am setting up a new environment of Mailman3 in docker. I understand I have to reset the password to set the password for admin. I go to forget the password, in the GUI and I put in the address I have listed in the docker-compose.yaml and I never get the email. I look at the mail log on the host and I do not see the smtp connections. I assume Django is not using the docker host but sending the mail directly?? Basically, where can I see the password email rest mail logs to make sure an email was sent out and where it is going?

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If I manually add email addresses to a list and then delete them, how do i permanent delete them from Users?
by Mark London April 25, 2023

April 25, 2023

I added some email addresses manually to a mailing list and then removed them. But now I can't find how to totally remove them from mailman3. They show up in the Users list. When I go to the Django interface, I don't see them listed in any selection. I thought they would show up under Emails in Hyperkitty, but they are not there. Oddly, somehow I've managed to create multiple duplicates of the same address, under Emails. Figure that one out! Thanks. - Mark 21 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:54 a.m. [Mark] afasdfa mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 20 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:44 a.m. [Mark] Re: tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 19 london(a)mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:31 a.m. [Mark] tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 18 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:28 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 17 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:27 a.m. [Mark] tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 16 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:22 a.m. [Mark] Re: foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 15 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:21 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 14 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 2:05 a.m. [Mark] ;jklj mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 13 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:53 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 12 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:52 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 11 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:51 a.m. [Mark] Re: test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 10 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:42 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 9 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:38 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 8 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:40 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 7 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:33 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 6 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:32 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 5 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:21 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 4 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:20 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 3 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:11 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 2 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:14 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 1 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:22 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu

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Configuring sendmail without virtualtable? Is this possible?
by Mark London April 25, 2023

April 25, 2023

I'm presently running mailman 2 on an email server, which all use @psfc.mit.edu addresses. And which uses /etc/aliases. The directions for configuring sendmail for mailman 3, specify using virtusertable. I want my new email server to also host mailman 3 on ubuntu. Is it still possible to use sendmail, given the following directions for sendmail configuration? Seems talk using might break things. Or am I wrong? https://gist.github.com/Maeglin73/72eb5b1e4ee66a383c2aa454726be9a5 Thanks for any help. - Mark

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Problems getting MM3 to work
by Alain D D Williams April 25, 2023

April 25, 2023

I have been using mailman2 for some 15 years ... decided that it is time to upgrade to MM3. I have to admit that I am finding it very hard to do so. My target is a Rocky Linux machine (AKA CentOS/RedHat). I am doing a test install in a virtual Debian 10 machine - the idea is learn how it hangs together before reimplement on Rocky (where I tie things down with SELinux). For me the biggest problem is the poor documentation - for someone who is new at MM3 and is not a Python programmer. After a few false starts I am doing a virtualenv installation as described: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html (Changes: I am using mariadb not postgresql, apache not nginx) I am trying to set up the WSGI server. It thinks that my domain is example.com ... when I 'grep -r example.com /opt/mailman' I see 11338 lines - far too many to look through. Could someone please tell me what/where I configure to enter my test domain. Thanks in advance. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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MM3 does not receive gmail-Members!
by Paul Brenner April 24, 2023

April 24, 2023

Hallo I need help! My MM3 sends mails via a list. However, no mails arrive at all gmail recipients. These mails also do not end up in the spam or junk folders. What do I have to do? Regards Paul

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Gmail problems?
by Stephen Daniel April 24, 2023

April 24, 2023

Mailman Gurus -- I run a number of small lists for my neighborhood association. The largest of these is ~120 users. Typical volumes are about 2 messages/day. In the past week or so a number of users who use gmail as their email client have complained that list emails have been going to spam or "promotions" folders. I've always had 1 or 2 users who had trouble receiving mails, but this seems to be a significant percentage of all gmail users. I have DMARC mitigation set to unconditional, and the DMARC action set to "Replace From: with list address". My emails are sent using google workspace as my SMTP relay. I'm trying to teach my users to whitelist the list domain, but they are not, in general, a tech-savvy bunch, so it is slow going. Anyone else suddenly having trouble with gmail? Any suggestions? Thanks!! -- Steve

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how to unhold a hold message from a nonmmeber in hold list.
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) April 21, 2023

April 21, 2023

I'm having troubles with Django and cannot access to web admin. I need to unhold a message while figures out what is happening. Searching the mailman cli help commands didn't help me. Anyone who knows how to unhold a message, please? Thanks in advance -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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MASS mailing list import - 900 ezmlm lists to Mailman
by grant＠horizonsunlimited.com April 20, 2023

April 20, 2023

Hi, I hope someone can help. I have 900-ish, mostly small lists, basically all locations round the globe where people have volunteered to help particular people passing though. Those lists have 2 to 200 people. There are about 50 lists of up to 1000 people each we use for announcements. So two different setups, and a whole lot of manual work. I am moving from an old, now unreliable, host to a new one. Hopefully reliable, certainly cheaper, and better for privacy GDPR etc regs. Mailman is already installed, appears to be version 82?? on cPanel 108.0.15. Ezmlm, no surprise, is not. Installing and configuring it is not something trivial, also have to install gmail etc. Yuck. So, Mailman... going through to create one, I can see that 900 will be my life's work. I'm not a programmer, but reasonably technical, write html, css skills poor but adequate, command line isn't tooo scary, MySQL I don't go near. DOS batch files no problem! :) ANY IDEAS / suggestions appreciated! Thanks, Grant

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Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04?
by Mark London April 16, 2023

April 16, 2023

Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04? If not, will it be possible in the near future? Thanks. Mark

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Link to account
by Lars Bjørndal April 14, 2023

April 14, 2023

Hi, list! On one of my sites, I want to have all Mailman3 links to go under /mailman3. Even though, the Login link goes to a URL like: https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/accounts/login/ How can I ensure it goes to https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/mailman3/accounts/login/ Thanks, Lars

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REST API http://.../3.1/users/../preferred_address returns 404 for GET and POST
by Eric Vyncke April 13, 2023

April 13, 2023

Postorius 1.3.6 does not work anymore when displaying the details of a list that I own (https://lists.XXX.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/rapcs-pilotes.listsXXXorg/) . It worked before but there was several upgrades in between (Ubuntu, apt packages, MySQL, Python). It displays the usual header/footer of the page but with "Something went wrong" above a red box with "HTTP Error 404:". /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log last entries are below (note the 404 result codes in the REST API): Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94 HTTP/1.1" 200 418 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/addresses/eric(a)XXX.org HTTP/1.1" 200 379 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "POST /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log of course has an exception about this 404 result code. Using the MM3 shell, the preferred_address can be displayed and even modified. There are also good values in the MySQL database. Other API endpoints for users work fine (preferences, addresses, ...) Postorius system information is: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.10 (default, Mar 13 2023, 10:26:41) [GCC 9.4.0] Running Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS and Python 3.8 Thanks in advance for any hint to solve this issue (I have held messages that I would love to accept)

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Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'
by Mohsen Masoudfar April 13, 2023

April 13, 2023

I am observing the following error message in the logs for one specific list: = = = relay=email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210]:587, delay=0.27, delays=0.05/0.04/0.12/0.06, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210] said: 554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'. (in reply to end of DATA command)) = = = As I mentioned, this happens for one single list only and this list has not been able to send any email for a week now. After checking mailman-users, I came across the following setting, which seems kind of related to my issue: = = = To distribute messages with valid DKIM signatures, I set remove_dkim_headers: yes in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cf = = = Here are my questions: 1 - I have around 100 lists and this happens for this one list only, so, I am not sure, if the issue might be solved with this change. 2 - Because this happens for this one list only, I would rather change it for this one list only, is there any option available changing it for one list only and not for the whole server? Thanks M

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RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3?
by Markus Ludwig Grandpré April 12, 2023

April 12, 2023

Dear MM§-users, is there a good documentation and example how I can learn to enable django.contrib.auth.backends.RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3? I've already found a detailed documentation (see [1]), but I do not manage to implement this AuthN mechanism for Mailman3. Can you help me? Btw. how can I disable and remove the Fedora button from Maliman3's login page? Best, Markus [1] <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/howto/auth-remote-user/> -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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List notices in French, but subject in English
by Mark Dale April 12, 2023

April 12, 2023

Hi, I have a list set with it's preferred language set as French and the body of the standard notification emails (eg. Welcome message) is correctly sent in French, however the subject of the emails is in English. Can the list be configured so the subject is also in French, or is this an issue with gettext .mo files somewhere? This is on Debian package Mailman 3.3.3 Thanks, Mark

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An archive/read-only list on a full setup?
by Andreas Schamanek April 11, 2023

April 11, 2023

I have a working full installation of mailman3, postorius and hyperkitty (on Debian 11). Now I wanted to host the archive of a remote list, and I am wondering how to do this properly. After I found no documentation and no posting I simply created a list in mailman3 with only 1 dummy member. The list address is subscribed to the actual remote list. So, messages arrive and are archived. But that's not optimal because hyperkitty thinks it's a normal list where it should be read-only and do not allow subscriptions etc. What's the proper way to set up a hyperkitty-only list? -- -- Andreas :-)

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Change base mailman URL path
by chad.hays86＠gmail.com April 8, 2023

April 8, 2023

Hi, I recently completed the a Mailman3 install using these[1] instructions. I'm able to access the web interface, the Django admin app, etc off the root domain URL. For example: https://mydomain.org/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/admin, https://mydomain.org/archives What's the most straightforward way to put all of these URL paths behind a different context? For example: https://mydomain.org/lists/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/lists/admin, https://mydomain.org/lists/archives I'm running Apache2 as my web server and am using mod_proxy to proxy requests to uwsgi. [1] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html

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Debian Package Install - Ownership and Permissions
by Dave Hall April 7, 2023

April 7, 2023

Hello, I know that installing from Debian packages is not the preferred method - unfortunately that's what I'm stuck with at the moment. I have an installation that is sort of working, but there seems to be a lot of issues relating to ownership and permissions that I'll have to manage by hand, so I am asking for some guidance. I'm seeing an interplay between 'list' (the existing Mailman2 user), www-data (the Apache user) and root. Given that it seems like almost everything that's part of mailman3-web/django/hyperkitty is running in uwsgi, should I maybe change /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini to use 'list' as the uid/gid rather than www-data and then also change any user/group permission to 'list' as well? Thanks -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

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Problem with starting core - problem getting a lock on something
by Jens Günther April 6, 2023

April 6, 2023

Unfortunately our mailman-core-container doesn't start anymore correctly. We updated lately to v0.4.5 and it ran smoothly for the last 4 weeks. This morning the RAM crashed and I then had to restore some things since the RAID was affected. Anyway, the container doesn't get up anymore although we didn't change anything in the setup. Does anybody know what the error means and how we could fix that? "Could not acquire the lock" normally means that some permissions aren't right ... right? Actually I don't know where to start. What I already did: remove the container completely and rebuild it. Thank you in advance! Jens. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 125, in acquire_lock_1 lock.lock(timedelta(seconds=0.1)) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 386, in lock raise TimeOutError('Could not acquire the lock') flufl.lock._lockfile.TimeOutError: Could not acquire the lock During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 237, in details lockfile, hostname, pid, random_ignored = filename.split( ValueError: not enough values to unpack (expected 4, got 1) The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/master", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 580, in main lock = acquire_lock(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 151, in acquire_lock lock = acquire_lock_1(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 131, in acquire_lock_1 hostname, pid, tempfile = lock.details File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 241, in details raise NotLockedError('Details are unavailable') from error flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Details are unavailable

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Hyperkitty shows "<" as <
by Andreas Schamanek April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hi fellow Hyperkitties, I migrated from Mailman 2 to 3 and imported my 1st list via `manage.py hyperkitty_import` to Hyperkitty 1.3.4 (the Debian package), but that might not even be relevant to my problem: All "<" and ">" in old and new messages are shown as "<" and ">" in message views _however_ they are shown correctly in overview abstracts e.g. at //server/mm3/hyperkitty/list/testlist@server/latest Is this a bug in Hyperkitty? Or is our server doing something funky? -- -- Andreas :-)

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Mailman and Mailman-web databases
by Andrew Hodgson April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hi. Just come out of a bit of a server reorg where I followed the new instructions to get Mailman3 up and running with Mailman-web. Virtualenv Installation - Mailman Suite 3.3 documentation (list.org)<https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> In these instructions we are using 2 databases for the Mailman and Django components. I guess it doesn't harm anything to have just one database for both but wondered whether it was a good idea to split eventually? Thanks. Andrew.

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Database Schema - v3.2.1 to v3.3.3
by Dave Hall April 5, 2023

April 5, 2023

Hello. Have 4 Debian servers running Mailman3 v3.2.1 and sharing the same external MySql databases for Mailman3 and Mailman3-web. I am in the process of migrating to v3.3.3. It would be easiest to perform this upgrade one server at a time, but this would mean that for a short time I would have v3.2.1 and v3.3.3 using the same databases. I am wondering if there are any MySql schema differences between the two versions. If there are, having the two different versions 'cohabitating' won't work.. Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

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Held messages page not rendering the message
by mike-mailman＠earth.li April 4, 2023

April 4, 2023

Hi When the list moderator goes to the held_messages page, they correctly get a list of the held messages and can accept/reject/discard them However, clicking on the individual message to read it doesn't work - it does nothing visible at all. From debug I can see it requests /mailman3/postorius/api/list/<list>/held_message/1/ which returns correctly (and the body includes the message as expected) - but it never renders it Any idea what could be wrong? Thanks -- Mike

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upgrading in FreeBSD 13.1-p7: problem with aiosmtpd and lmtp runner
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) April 4, 2023

April 4, 2023

As you could have read yesterday, I had problems upgrading to the last versions of mailman3 related apps. The lmtp runner stopped after upgrade and showed and error in aiosmtpd package. the O.S. version running may servers is FreeBSD 13.1-p7 That was in a mailman3 server with few lists and traffic. O did the upgrade today in the server that has many lists and hard traffic. When I restarted mailman it showed this trace: Generating MTA alias maps /usr/local/mailman3 # Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/runner", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'runner')()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 184, in main runner = make_runner(*runner_spec, once=once) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 70, in make_runner return runner_class(name, slice) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/runners/lmtp.py", line 295, in __init__ self.lmtp = LMTPController(LMTPHandler(), hostname=hostname, port=port) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 417, in __init__ self._localhost = get_localhost() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 66, in get_localhost with makesock(AF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM) as sock: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/socket.py", line 232, in __init__ _socket.socket.__init__(self, family, type, proto, fileno) OSError: [Errno 43] Protocol not supported As Mark pointed it can be circunverted modifying /PATH_TO_YOUR_PYTHON/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py and changing the 49th line as this: # Helper function to assist in mocking^M ## return has_ipv6^M return False After that, restarting mailman 3 works perfectly. It seems that FreeBSD is handling IPv6 in a way that other OSs dont. It surprise me, because FreeBSD was the first OS where IPv6 was deployed, but it is what it is. Thaks to everybody for your patience, specially Odhiambo and Mark. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Custom Archiver
by Stephen J. Turnbull April 3, 2023

April 3, 2023

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/1/23 16:33, Peter Knowles wrote: > > That all being said, on a slight segway... Aside from using the > > REST API, is it practical or possible to manipulate the database > > directly? That is, in doing so would it just work or are there > > extra moving parts when an API request is issued? > > It probably is possible, but I would definitely discourage it. The > REST API should provide everything you need without your having to > reimplement everything it does. I think it would probably be a really heavy lift, because Mailman internally uses an object-relational manager, SQAlchemy. We occasionally change the schema, and SQAalchemy will automatically upgrade the database schema. You would have to handle that by hand in your code. I would recommend you get the sources for mailmanclient (https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient, iirc). They're quite repetitive, you wouldn't want to literally port them, but once you're familiar with the scaffolding and a couple of the commands you should be able to write a lot of PHP really fast to cover the REST endpioints you most need in a library with an API to your taste. Steve

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Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list
by Andrew Hodgson April 2, 2023

April 2, 2023

Hi, I have noticed recently I have around 2000 bogus sign-ups that have created accounts in Django. Looking through the logs these have come from the Postorius sign-up pages. I checked and email confirmation is required before the accounts are created and the email addresses that have been used do seem like they could respond to these requests. I don't want to add captchas to the form right now but is there any way to clean out these users from the database perhaps periodically based on whether the accounts are subscribed to any list? Thanks. Andrew.

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Custom Archiver
by pknowles＠tpnsolutions.com April 2, 2023

April 2, 2023

I'm playing around with installing Mailman Core, and want to have messages on a "per-list" basis sent to a special "archiver" address which I intend to make archives available at via a custom built "read-only" IMAP client. How would I go about having messages sent to this external address, short of adding the address as a subscriber?

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lmtp runner not starting
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

This morning I upgraded the mailman3 installation of the less traffic server I have: a bunch of lists, with very slow traffic. (see pip lists at the end) I sent test mails to a pair of lists, but none were distributed or archived. postorius seemed working well. First I thought it was some I did wrong in the upgrade procedure, but then I realized the lmtp runner was not running. I followed old messages about similar problem (many of them in this same mailman-users list), but I cannot see what is wrong. There is no error logged in mailman.log. the mailman.cfg of the lmtp is the default (and was working at least a pair of weeks ago) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* from mailman.cfg [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* There is no one listening in port 8024. I tried changing the port (to 9024), with the same results. postfix seems working well. I's just there is nothing listening on port 8024 because lmtp runner is not running :) (from maillog): connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024: Connection refused (another simple test) root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # telnet localhost 8024 Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused I'm running out of ideas. Any clue to somewhere to dig in? *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* runners started Apr 01 17:24:40 2023 (4681) out runner started. Apr 01 17:24:40 2023 (4680) virgin runner started. Apr 01 17:24:41 2023 (4679) command runner started. Apr 01 17:24:42 2023 (4688) retry runner started. Apr 01 17:24:43 2023 (4686) in runner started. Apr 01 17:24:44 2023 (4683) digest runner started. Apr 01 17:24:44 2023 (4684) nntp runner started. Apr 01 17:24:45 2023 (4682) archive runner started. Apr 01 17:24:46 2023 (4685) bounces runner started. Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) task runner started. Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 01 17:24:47 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted expired cache entries Apr 01 17:24:48 2023 (4678) pipeline runner started. Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 01 18:24:48 2023 (4687) Task runner evicted expired cache entries *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* pip lists with versions installed root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep mailman django-mailman3 1.3.9 mailman 3.3.8 mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1 mailmanclient 3.3.5 root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep django django-allauth 0.51.0 django-appconf 1.0.5 django-compressor 4.0 django-extensions 3.2.0 django-gravatar2 1.4.4 django-haystack 3.2.1 django-mailman3 1.3.9 django-picklefield 3.1 django-q 1.3.9 djangorestframework 3.13.1 root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # pip list | grep postorius postorius 1.3.8 -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Email discard
by qro＠xs4all.nl April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

Hi I have a good working mailman3 list server with 3 mailing lists. 2 of them work OK, but 1 has a little odd behaiver If a non member send an email it will discard while the setting in /postorius/lists/list.name.nl/settings/message_acceptance shows Hold for moderation A snip from var/mailman3/mailman.log Apr 01 10:48:32 2023 (49342) DISCARD: <4359976d-d4bb-9b30-0901-c842aa1fecb3(a)xs4all.nl>; ['The message is not from a list member'] Changing and saving a other choice makes no difference. Where can I look more to find a solution? (in mysql?) Peter

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Dealing with spam from Web users
by Jeremy Stanley April 1, 2023

April 1, 2023

We recently migrated a bunch of lists from 2.1 to 3.3.7 and have started to get spammers posting via HyperKitty (because I guess that's easier for them than SMTP). It looks like I should be able to set posts from HyperKitty to be automatically moderated by creating a header filter on "User-Agent" matching "HyperKitty" but is there a better/easier way? Also, for things which already went out to the list, obviously I can ban the spammer but what's the cleanest solution for removing their posts from list archives so that we don't further their goals by continuing to publish their handiwork? -- Jeremy Stanley

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Need some help getting this working...
by Marisa Giancarla March 31, 2023

March 31, 2023

I'm trying to get mailman set up again (don't ask what happened) and I am having trouble. Anyone interested in working with me to resolve the issues? I'm trying to run itonUbuntu22.04 if that makes a difference. I can provide shell access to the mail server... Thanks for the attention! Marisa -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

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Question about whitlisting a domain for specific mailing list
by Zaheer Abbas March 30, 2023

March 30, 2023

Hi All, I need to whitelist a domain for a specific mailing list on your platform. Only *(a)example.com email addresses should be allowed to post messages to this list. Could you please provide me with documentation or instructions on how to achieve this? I have already searched the knowledge base and user manuals without success. I believe it was previously available in mailman2 via Accept_these_nonmembers attribute. But I cannot find this attribute anywhere on postorius. I am using mailman 3.2.2 Any help would be really appreciated. Best regards, -- *ZA*

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500 error on Held Messages page
by Dan Caballero March 30, 2023

March 30, 2023

Hello, I searched the list but couldn't find anything specific to the error seeing with held messages for this specific list. See output below from the mailman.log. The problem doesn't seem to be related to the database listarchiver table. Please advise. -- Dan Caballero Caltech Systems Administrator MySQL [mailman3_prod]> select * from listarchiver where mailing_list_id='4899'; +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ | id | mailing_list_id | name | _is_enabled | +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ | 1872 | 4899 | mhonarc | 0 | | 1873 | 4899 | mail-archive | 0 | | 1874 | 4899 | prototype | 0 | | 1875 | 4899 | hyperkitty | 1 | +------+-----------------+--------------+-------------+ 4 rows in set (0.001 sec) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2022-09-20 14:44:17 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/jewishlife(a)caltech.edu/held?count=10&page=1 => Traceback (most recent call last): File "falcon/app.py", line 365, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 182, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in _make_collection entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in <listcomp> entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 173, in _resource_as_dict assert resource is not None, resource AssertionError: None

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Re: 404 on fresh install (Debian11)
by Stephen Turnbull March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Sorry about breaking the thread, institution system "upgrade" to O365 broke my world so I'm cutting and pasting into Outlook. comprepair_jimberg--- via Mailman-users writes: > Can you setup Mailman3 for me? I have done apt install > mailman3-full but I have no clue whaat I am doing. You should seriously consider either going for a managed host or hiring somebody. Unfortunately, you're asking a bit much for volunteer help. The problem is that Debian uses the FHS layout with the system Python,while we core devs recommend and use a self-contained "virtual environment" with an /opt-style layout. Debian also applies patches that may or may not be backports from more recent versions. We just don't know what's going to go wrong on a distro install. Mailman also has dependencies on several system components (webserver, mailserver, WSGI implementation, SQL database, text indexer) which each come in multiple flavors, but the range of combinations we're familiar with is limited and may not even include the Debian default list. Once you have a working Mailman installation we'll be happy to help you tune it, though. (And you don't need core devs for that anyway, other Mailman site admins who hang out here can often help as well as well as we can.) We are much more likely to have knowledge and experience to help with a virtual environment install as described in https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… Here's an alternative, "from the ground up" step by step description of a specific combination of components: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 I think it should work just fine for Debian 11 as well. The author of "Mailman3 On Debian10" was a hosting and mailing list service provider, and used this recipe for all his hosts. Regards, Steve

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Sending a message to a subscription applicant when a subscription request is made
by Allan Hansen March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Dear Mailman 3 wizards, Our subscription process requires that the applicant answers a few questions and sends them to the list moderator. Not having a template that gets sent on all subscribe requests, I'm using the 'list:admin:action:subscribe' template. This gets sent to the list moderator, who then sends it forward to the applicant. This is rather tedious. I would like the template to be sent directly to the applicant. There is a template, 'list:user:action:subscribe' that almost does this, but it gets sent only if the email address of the applicant is unverified. A good number of our applicants are already on our lists, so they would not get this template if we set the Subscription Policy to 'Confirm, then moderate'. Our Subscription Policy is currently: 'Moderate' for all lists. I figure that three modifications can be used to fix this: a. That we change the lines in the Python program in our installation that send 'list:admin:action:subscribe' to the list admins to instead send the template to the applying subscriber. b. That we change the lines in the Python program in our installation that send 'list:user:action:subscribe' to the subscriber with an unverified address to always do this, even when the incoming address has already been verified. c. That the current 'list:user:action:subscribe' be changed in published Mailman 3 source to 'list:user:action:confirm' and a new template ''list:user:action:subscribe' be set up to be sent when any subscribe request is made. This is more work, of course, so not likely a good thing to hack locally. It could be useful to other users. Any suggestions on how to best and most quickly do the above would be appreciated, starting with (a.) or (b.). Clearly, (a.) and (b.), if we do one of those, are hacks that will need to be applied upon Mailman updates. That's fine by me, as I'm in rush to get this done. I'd welcome pointers as to which file to change and how. Of these two options, which would be the least work? (c.) could be entered as a longer-term enhancement request. I can submit that request if you like. Yours, Allan Hansen P.S.: Thank you for the enhancement that lets moderators see the member lists. It has been a big help for us. GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:VWy26K4pUfU4jw@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass

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404 on fresh install (Debian11)
by thomas＠lydra.fr March 29, 2023

March 29, 2023

Hello, very new to mailman3, I used to manage mailman2 on a Debian 10 server. The server has been upgraded to Debian 11 and mailman2 disappear… I try fresh install of mailman3, prerequisite to data migration, but without success. If some can help, I would be really greatful. Here is my path: - `mailman3-full` install with apt. MySQL config since I have this DBMS - `python3-pymysql` install with apt after seeing errors in logs - Apache2 configuration (other virtual hosts are present) ```apache2 <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName newsletter.mydomain.tld Alias /static /var/lib/mailman3/web/static Alias /favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico DocumentRoot /var/lib/mailman3/web/static <Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static"> Require all granted </Directory> ProxyPassMatch ^/static ! ProxyPass / http://localhost:8001/ ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8001/ ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_error.log CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_access.log combined </VirtualHost> ``` And now I have a 404 answer when consulting my http page. When trying to access `/static` sub-path, I get `Cannot serve directory /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/admin/: No matching DirectoryIndex found`. I also tried `ProxyPass / unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost` but also fails with `No protocol handler was valid for the URL / (scheme 'uwsgi')` I am a bit lost with that. Thanks for your help

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NGINX reports 502 after fresh install
by Mailman March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Hi All, I'm working my way through the recommended installation in a Python virtual environment. I seem to have the components installed and working but when I try to access the web interface I receive an error 502 from the web server. I'm assuming I've misconfigured something in Nginx. What details are needed for a diagnosis? Thanks, Chris P

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Social signup?
by Duane Raymond March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Hi everyone, Is there a way to enable social signup (vs just login for existing users)? I've just implemented social login on my mailman lists, but realised it seems to be only login, and not signup...or at least I couldn't fine specific info to enable social signup. Is social signup something anyone has implemented (and if so how). If not, I suspect there might be a good reason (e.g. privacy, security, etc) but I'd love to hear it :-) Duane

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Mailman 3 database restore unexpected behavior
by Tibor Molnar March 28, 2023

March 28, 2023

Mailman3 built from source using virtual environment. Version: GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg Issue: I have restored the database number of times recently and experienced that every time after restoration (an hour after) all members getting an email that they are unsubscribed due to bounces, however non of the users are actually unsubscribed from any lists. It looks like there are duplicates in database and all the duplicates are getting unsubscribed? Bounces message: name(a)email.com unsubscribed from [listname] mailing list due to bounces Only restoring two files: mailman3 and mailman3web Did anyone come acroos this behavior ? It is not right that after restoring a database all 1000 user get an email that they are unsubscribed, but they are actually not. I may do something wrong during the restoring process. Please advise me.

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