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problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3
by John Covici 14 Mar '21

14 Mar '21

Hi. I am having a great deal of difficulty installing mailman3 using gentoo and sendmail. Also, I want to upgrade my old mailman2 data to mailman3. What I have done so far is to install the mailman3 packages from my repository and got this: django-mailman3 version 1.3.4, mailmanclient version 3.3.1, mailman version 3.3.2 (apparently the core), postorius version 1.3.3 and hyperkitty version 1.3.3. I also have mariadb and postgresql already installed. Now trying to read your documentation, it seems it wants me to reinstall some packages using pip in the home directory of the mailman user in a python virtual environment, that was the first thing. But I would like to avoid multiple package managers wherever possible -- gentoo is already a lot of maintainance without dealing with pip's maintainance. The binaries also seem to be different from my gentoo packages. So, how do I proceed with getting mailman3 up and working, configuring the database, configs, etc and I guess after doing that upgrading mailman2 and getting sendmail to interface properly with mailman3? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

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hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not archive the email with message-id '<snip>': A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters
by Gilles Filippini 13 Mar '21

13 Mar '21

Hi, I have this error message repeating endlessly into the mailman-web logs. The related list is an open one on which we receive spam sometimes. I understand these emails can me malformed and cause this error. How to deal with them? They can't stay forever at the hyperkitty door. Thanks in advance, _g.

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Attachments in digests mails
by Eric Broens 12 Mar '21

12 Mar '21

Hi, subscribers that prefer to receive digests, are receiving attachments as encoded characters in the message body. This makes digests almost unreadable, see an extract of an example below. Is there a way to make sure the attachments are send as attachments in the digest mails? Message: 2 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 23:09:29 +0100 From: *********** <*********(a)**********.**> Subject: [Planoccult] (2589) Daniel and 3 others - negative To: Planoccult <*********@******** <mailto:*********@ls.vvs.be> > Message-ID: <wcieubkwujbuvtoyrqhg@kqqa> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-bcRfVuQTUIVzQDmITHPG" --=-bcRfVuQTUIVzQDmITHPG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, please find attached negative reports of 4 recent observations, including (= 2589) Daniel. I could not afford to skip such important asteroid to me (-; = despite very low probability of positive result. Best regards, --=-bcRfVuQTUIVzQDmITHPG Content-Type: image/png; name=2021_03_09_Blazewicz_2589_Daniel.png Content-Id: <cfaaa58faf30919364d7dcee7cb4cc20221c8dc4> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=2021_03_09_Blazewicz_2589_Daniel.png iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAsAAAAGtCAYAAAAYrcL2AAAACXBIWXMAAA7EAAAOxAGVKw4bAAAg AElEQVR4nOzd6XcUR54v/C+SEEJIgDAgCbAQICFAIPbFdntvu9sX6HbbfoZn+tyZ7vu84N/o239G M/fcOefOnJnmtunpBbXtdhuvDRgwuwCxiR2BhHYJbaV6XuAqqopcIjMjMiMyv59zfIwqqzIjMyMi fxkZETntw9/+Jg0iIiIiooQoijoBRERERERhYgBMRERERIlSEnUCZDp/6T5ee+01X7/94osvsHZV Thanks, Eric

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Posterious membership listing for non-owner/moderators?
by Duane Raymond 11 Mar '21

11 Mar '21

Hi, I'm configuring my new mailman3 lists and one option I wish to use is a membership listing (which list members can opt-in/out of via their preferences). The only problem is, via the web interface (Posterious / Hyperkitty) I can't find that listing when logged in as an ordinary member. Am I missing something or is this not built in yet? I have my test list setting under List Identity -> Members List Visibility set to "Only mailinglist members", but all I can find in terms of members is the side-listing of posters to the list/thread. (as usual before asking the question I explored a lot and searched the archives/documentation). Cheers, Duane

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Setting for archiving multi email domains?
by Duane Raymond 11 Mar '21

11 Mar '21

Hi again, I have a Debian-postfix-postgres-nginx-Hyperkitty-Postorius setup with a primary domain (e.g. primarydomain.com) and several 'secondary' domains used for email lists (e.g. emaillistA.com and emaillistB.com). When sending emails to a list using the primarydomain.com address, the email is received, sent to subscribers and archived properly. But when it is sent to one of the secondary domains like tes(a)emaillistA.com - the email doesn't seem to be sent and isn't archived - despite it being set to be. What I've tried so far (after searching these archives and looking at the documentation) is to: 1) Adding emaillistA.com and emaillistB.com to the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting in the settings_local.py file (and then restart mailman) 2) Adding emaillistA.com and emaillistB.com to the mydestination setting in the postfix main.cf file (and the restarting postfix). ...I even tried adding to /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 emaillistA.com and 127.0.0.1 emaillistB.com but removed it as it didn't seem appropriate there. Does anyone have any hits of what else I need to configure to get it working for these 'secondary' email domains? Cheers, Duane

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Backups & disaster recovery of mailman3
by David Partain 08 Mar '21

08 Mar '21

Hi, So now I have a running mailman3 installation. Whew... Is there documentation of things like thorough backups and disaster recovery? I haven't yet found it. Backups: Obviously, I understand that I need to have datbase (mysql, in my case) dumps, and I'll have file system backups onto something that our IT folks will backup. Is there more I should think of? Disaster recovery: So, let's say my server (which is cloud-y) gets trashed and I need to get mailman back on a new server. Is this process described somewhere? My kind thanks to you all for listening :) Cheers, David

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Email Commands
by Brian Carpenter 07 Mar '21

07 Mar '21

Is there a list of email commands on a website somewhere that you can use with Mailman 3? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Importing issue from mailman2 to mailman3
by David Partain 07 Mar '21

07 Mar '21

Hi, I'm in the process of moving 1400-ish lists from a very old mailman2 installation to an installation on Ubuntu 18.04 with the version of mailman3 packaged for that distro. (Yes, that was a mistake, but I'm committed at this point.) I'm doing this import as per: sudo -u list mailman import21 somelist@one-of-the-domains<mailto:somelist@one-of-the-domains> /tmp/lists/somelist/config.pck where /tmp/lists includes all of the list configs from the old installation. Most of it's going fine, as best I can see. However, I get exceptions on some lists that look like this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1182, in _execute_context context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 470, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 163, in execute result = self._query(query) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 321, in _query conn.query(q) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 505, in query self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 724, in _read_query_result result.read() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1069, in read first_packet = self.connection._read_packet() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 676, in _read_packet packet.raise_for_error() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/protocol.py", line 223, in raise_for_error err.raise_mysql_exception(self._data) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/pymysql/err.py", line 107, in raise_mysql_exception raise errorclass(errno, errval) pymysql.err.DataError: (1406, "Data too long for column 'info' at row 1") My assumption is that what's in the "Info" field on the old mailman2 config is simply too long. Is that correct? In that case, I suppose the right thing is to (1) edit each one, reducing the size, which'll create a new config.pck, (2) pull it over to the new machine, and (3) run the import again. Seem reasonable? Cheers, David

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[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable
by dancab＠caltech.edu 05 Mar '21

05 Mar '21

I've imported a list from Mailman2 and had the owner send a message for testing purposes. His message are moderated per the list configuration. The message is delivered to Mailman3 and shows that it's being held. However if we attempt to view the message in Postorius web UI then an error is thrown. In the web interface the error is simply "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." But Mailman Core is running and we can do other functions just fine. Our superuser account receives a much more detailed message with the subject below. [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable: /postorius/lists/cpa-announcement.caltech.edu/held_messages Does "Service Unavailable" mean I'm missing something in the configuration? Thanks for your help. ---- Dan Caballero

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postfix malformed address with confirm replies
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats 04 Mar '21

04 Mar '21

I’m getting bounces back from postfix (553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address) for my confirm replies. I found a similar issue in this lists’ archives back in 2017 but that issue was supposedly fixed in version 3.2 I’m running the current docker containers. I’m pretty sure I have all of the mailman settings in postix: " # Support the default VERP delimiter. recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains " the entries in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp look like they should match /^matsmats-mm3-test1(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-bounces(\+.*)?(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm(\+.*)?(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-join(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-leave(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-owner(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-request(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-subscribe(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-unsubscribe(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 thanks, steve > On Feb 26, 2021, at 14:08:54 PST, Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON(a)ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal> wrote: > > This is the mail system at host ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > > The mail system > > <matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu>: > host 172.19.199.2[172.19.199.2] said: 553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address > (in reply to RCPT TO command) > Reporting-MTA: dns; ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal > X-Postfix-Queue-ID: E144B8BC3C5 > X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; stephen.s.w.matsmats(a)gmail.com > Arrival-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:08:54 -0800 (PST) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > Original-Recipient: rfc822;matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > Action: failed > Status: 5.1.3 > Remote-MTA: dns; 172.19.199.2 > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address > > From: Steve Mats Mats <willey(a)selby.com> > Subject: Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the matsmats-mm3-test1(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu mailing list. > Date: February 26, 2021 at 2:08:52 PM PST > To: matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > > > > >> On Feb 26, 2021, at 11:41:54 PST, matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu wrote: >> >> Email Address Registration Confirmation >> >> Hello, this is the GNU Mailman server at mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu. >> >> We have received a registration request for the email address >> >> willey(a)teamd.org >> >> Before you can start using GNU Mailman at this site, you must first confirm >> that this is your email address. You can do this by replying to this message. >> >> Or you should include the following line -- and only the following >> line -- in a message to matsmats-mm3-test1-request(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu: >> >> confirm d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856 >> >> Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from >> most mail readers. >> >> If you do not wish to register this email address, simply disregard this >> message. If you think you are being maliciously subscribed to the list, or >> have any other questions, you may contact >> >> matsmats-mm3-test1-owner(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > > >

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Set Postorius interface locale
by Duane Raymond 04 Mar '21

04 Mar '21

Hi everyone, Thanks to Brian I'm up and running with my migrated mailman3 lists and am now starting to get into customising the interface (styling and content). I've been trying to figure out how to set/change the Postorius locale - I specifically want to change some text strings on the info page without breaking the i18n mechanisms. I've worked with po and mo files before, so changing and compiling them isn't a problem. The problems I've encountered so far are: 1) Where do I set the local of the Postorius interface? 2) Individual lists have a language setting, but it doesn't seem to reflect what the Postorius locales are as the only english option is "English (USA)" and none of the other English speaking locales and on the file system there is no en-us PO files....so I suspect I'm looking in the wrong place. Am I looking at this all wrong? The documentation doesn't seem to have any info about this and yet the mechanisms seem to be there. Once I learn more I'm quite keen to start working on improving the documentation based on what I learn. Cheers, Duane

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Moderation emails
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au 04 Mar '21

04 Mar '21

Hi Folks, Whenever a non-member posts to a members-only list, the owners (because I haven't set any moderators) get a 3-part MIME message, from the xxx-owner email address. The first part is the template from .../mailman/templates/en/list:admin:action:post.txt The second part is a message/rfc822 copy of the held message. The third part is another message/rfc822 part that says, If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply. This is really confusing, as replying to the whole message will go to the '-owner' not the '-request' address, which will neither discard nor authorise the message, and will not contain the subject: heading from the encapsulated message. Is there any easy way, either to turn off generation of the third message, or make it so that acting on the message (hitting reply in your email client) will actually discard the message? Peter C

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postorius / adjusted settings menu
by Andreas Barth 03 Mar '21

03 Mar '21

Hi together, I want to adjust the settings menu to reduce to the options really needed. The easiest way would be to edit src/postorius/views/list* but I don't think that's a good idea. So what comes to my mind is to have some variable in the configuration that contains the menu items and - if set - the submenus. E.g. the following: { 'list_identity': ['!gateway_to_mail', '!gateway_to_news', '!linked_newsgroup', '!newsgroup_moderation', '!nntp_prefix_subject_too' ], 'automatic_responses', 'alter_messages', 'dmarc_mitigations', 'digest', 'message_acceptance', 'archiving', 'subscription_policy', 'bounce_processing' } would express: default menu and just remove the mentioned items. Of course, something like ['advertised', 'description', 'info', 'display_name', 'subject_prefix'] would work as well. Resorting should also be possible, so something like { 'list_identity': ['advertised', 'description', 'info', 'personalize'] } would give a very small list of items to select from. What do you think about the idea? Andi

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Shunt Error Mail?
by Pete Ashdown 03 Mar '21

03 Mar '21

I have a number of list managers with subscribers who are confused as to why their messages are silently disappearing. I've read the archives on how to decipher why a message was shunted, but this is not workable at scale. Is sending an error email back to the sender a consideration?

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Domain ownership issues
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au 02 Mar '21

02 Mar '21

Hi, I wanted to give another user the ability to create lists, so added that user as 'owner' of the domain. But he does not see the 'create list' button. I decided to try deleting him as owner, and the result is a python exception: KeyError: 'file' ERROR 2021-03-01 20:35:07,195 550 django.request Internal Server Error: /postori us/domains/sel4.systems/owners/b55d58c434c94f6dbd19ae338502dd2e/remove Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py", line 40 , in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 21, in _wrapped_view return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 75, i n wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/domain.py", line 182, in remove_owners remove_email = client.get_user(user_id).addresses[0].email File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/client.py", line 324, in get_user display_name=display_name)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 111, in call raise HTTPError(url, response.status_code, urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: 404 Not Found Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.0+ (default, Oct 19 2020, 09:51:18) [GCC 10.2.0] Peter C

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Hyperkitty "All Threads" results in error
by Mark Dadgar 02 Mar '21

02 Mar '21

So I have been wrestling with this problem for a while now. Most times, but not every time, when someone clicks on the All Threads link in hyperkitty, a 500 error is generated. I googled it, obviously, and at first I thought it was related to this issue, but that has not proven to be the case: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> I’ve attached a “backtrace” below. The archives were imported from a previous mm3 install a couple of months ago. The problem occurs even with a list state full of immediately recent posts. Anyone have thoughts on how I can fix this? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 — Internal Server Error: /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest VariableDoesNotExist at /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest Failed lookup for key [sender] in None Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mail.pdc-racing.net/archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net/latest <https://mail.pdc-racing.net/archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net/latest> Django Version: 2.2.14 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python Python Version: 3.8.2 Python Path: ['/opt/mailman/mm', '/opt/mailman/mm/', '/opt/mailman/mm/bin', '/usr/lib/python38.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.8', '/usr/lib/python3.8/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages'] Server time: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 10:27:10 -0700 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 829. current = current[bit] During handling of the above exception ('NoneType' object is not subscriptable), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 837. current = getattr(current, bit) During handling of the above exception ('NoneType' object has no attribute 'sender'), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 843. current = current[int(bit)] During handling of the above exception (invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'sender'), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in inner 134. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in archives 114. return _thread_list(request, mlist, threads, extra_context=extra_context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in _thread_list 143. return render(request, template_name, context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py" in render 36. content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader.py" in render_to_string 62. return template.render(context, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py" in render 61. return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 171. return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 150. return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 62. result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py" in render 209. nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 188. return template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 173. return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py" in render 513. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/templatetags/i18n.py" in render 132. context.update({var: val.resolve(context) for var, val in self.extra_context.items()}) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/templatetags/i18n.py" in <dictcomp> 132. context.update({var: val.resolve(context) for var, val in self.extra_context.items()}) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in resolve 692. arg_vals.append(arg.resolve(context)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in resolve 796. value = self._resolve_lookup(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 848. raise VariableDoesNotExist("Failed lookup for key " Exception Type: VariableDoesNotExist at /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest Exception Value: Failed lookup for key [sender] in None

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[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/top-threads
by blackout69 01 Mar '21

01 Mar '21

Hello everybody,I received this error message and from that moment the maiilan3 has stopped working.I restarted the following services mailman3 and mailman3-web and everything started working fine.Can you tell me what is the problem my django server has encountered? Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads DoesNotExist at /hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads Thread matching query does not exist. Request Method: GET Request URL: https://lists.catania.linux.it/hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/t… Django Version: 1.11.29 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.7.3 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python37.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.7', '/usr/lib/python3.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: Ven, 26 Feb 2021 20:10:53 +0100 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 187. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 185. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in inner 134. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in overview_top_threads 196. 'threads': mlist.top_threads, File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py" in top_threads 157. return self.cached_values["top_threads"]() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py" in __call__ 59. return self.get_or_set(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py" in get_or_set 365. return [Thread.objects.get(pk=pk) for pk in thread_ids] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py" in <listcomp> 365. return [Thread.objects.get(pk=pk) for pk in thread_ids] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py" in manager_method 85. return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in get 380. self.model._meta.object_name Exception Type: DoesNotExist at /hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads Exception Value: Thread matching query does not exist. Request information: USER: blackout69 GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: csrftoken = 'tqNIiLrMWyYNHYhkmnmQfjRdd0AtCeCAAW46VOL24wk2g7Opl5LSZWB2dZ2p79Sb' sessionid = 'brhb9jd3ko9blnluuc6bz3c1627u6h22' META: CONTENT_LENGTH = '' CONTENT_TYPE = '' CSRF_COOKIE = 'tqNIiLrMWyYNHYhkmnmQfjRdd0AtCeCAAW46VOL24wk2g7Opl5LSZWB2dZ2p79Sb' DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/usr/share/nginx/html' HTTPS = 'on' HTTP_ACCEPT = 'text/html, */*; q=0.01' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate, br' HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE = 'it-IT' HTTP_COOKIE = 'csrftoken=tqNIiLrMWyYNHYhkmnmQfjRdd0AtCeCAAW46VOL24wk2g7Opl5LSZWB2dZ2p79Sb; sessionid=brhb9jd3ko9blnluuc6bz3c1627u6h22' HTTP_HOST = 'lists.catania.linux.it' HTTP_REFERER = 'https://lists.catania.linux.it/hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/' HTTP_TE = 'trailers' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (Android 11; Mobile; rv:86.0) Gecko/86.0 Firefox/86.0' HTTP_X_REQUESTED_WITH = 'XMLHttpRequest' PATH_INFO = '/hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads' QUERY_STRING = '' REMOTE_ADDR = '2.38.155.170' REMOTE_PORT = '39208' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_SCHEME = 'https' REQUEST_URI = '/hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = 'lists.catania.linux.it' SERVER_PORT = '443' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/2.0' uwsgi.core = 1 uwsgi.node = b'glugct.catania.linux.it' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.18-debian' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7f0e65582f00> wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'https' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Thank you in advance -- blackout69

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How to disable subscribe by mail in mailman3?
by Thomas Koch 01 Mar '21

01 Mar '21

Hello, I've setup a mailman3 for an organization. Organization members are authenticated by an LDAP backend and can thus use the web UI to subscribe. To avoid unnecessary moderation, I'd like to disable subscription by mail but still allow subscription through the web interface. (I've already hacked some code to dissallow subscribe by mail through posteros.) Regards, Thomas

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Import Archives Assistance
by Brian Carpenter 28 Feb '21

28 Feb '21

I am working with a client in importing a large MM2 mbox file (around 1GB in size) into a Mailman 3 list using: /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin hyperkitty_import --no-sync-mailman -l list@listdomain list.mbox I planned on syncing after the import. Well, the client did not have enough memory on the server for the above job and it crashed in the middle of it. I informed the client who added more memory to the VPS. I went and deleted the partial archives via Hyperkitty and proceeded with the above import job again. The job finished but it seems only the messages that were imported were those AFTER the crash happened. How can I remove the archives completely so I can rerun this mbox file in its entirety? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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who request
by Vako Nicolian 27 Feb '21

27 Feb '21

Is there a way to stop the who request to get membership list? i.e.: if we send an email to {list}-request@... with *who {password} *on the subject line, it will send the membership list to the member, I want that option to be disabled for privacy reasons. Thanks, Vako

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Added two tasks for Google Summer of Code
by Stephen J. Turnbull 27 Feb '21

27 Feb '21

Based on recent threads, I've added two tasks to our 2021 GSoC ideas page: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202021#List_Configura… https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202021#User_Profile_T… Bcc'd to David and Johannes because I referred to threads starting with their posts. If you want me to paraphrase in the task description, let me know, but I preferred to do it this way to encourage applicants to join the community. (Note: we haven't been selected yet, so this isn't any more public than the archived mailing lists.) Suggestions of other GSoC tasks and refinements to existing ones welcome. However, please discuss them on the list (or to a core dev privately) unless you have GSoC experience. Google has specific requirements for Summer of Code projects, so there are a lot of important tasks that should not be on that page. If you have an enhancement that you'd definitely like to put on our agenda, and also suggest for GSoC, feel free to file an issue on the tracker and point me, Mark, or Abhilash to it. Steve

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Disable archives per list
by Bernd Wurst 27 Feb '21

27 Feb '21

Hello, we are about to migrate our Mailman 2 instance to Mailman 3. As we are hosting many (small) mailing lists for different customers, we get in trouble about future handling of mail archives. Mailman 2 just used mbox files per list and flat files for public archive, so archives do not matter apart from some storage. With hyperkitty, all messages for all lists are stored in on single database and I'm a little bit scared of a single database table with dozens of GB of data. Many of our users do not really need archiving, some customers also asked archiving to be disabled for legal reasons within their lists. Can I as the server admin disable archiving (or set other list options) in a way that the list admin can not change it via postorious? Can I have custom archiver settings per list or per domain (customer-specific hyperkitty)? regards, Bernd

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Documentation for transferiering a list between mm3 and mm3
by Johannes Winter 27 Feb '21

27 Feb '21

Hi, I didn't find any documentation on how to export list data from mm3 and import it into another mm3 instance. Have I missed something, or is it yet nonexistant? Best greetings, Johannes

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Two Questions: One General, the Other Specific
by David Wilson 26 Feb '21

26 Feb '21

Salutations; For context, I have been lurking on this site for a number of years now, in order to track the progress of this wonderful mailman3 project. Further context, I am chair of a 66 unit condominium and pay for two lists provided by EMWD.com and get a hands on feel from an mailman3 operations perspective. *Is there another site that might best communicate the future goals, plans, objectives, and time frames for mailman3 or is the status of the project at the state of being primarily reacting to problems, as evidenced in this problem solving forum, at least as it seems to me, with no offense meant or intended?* Something I find surprising is a problem described in an image grab below relating to an inability to amend a list entry to include a name to be associated with an email address, as if the data needs to be immutable. When a workaround was unsuccessfully explored to delete the entry and then resubmit an amended entry but with the same already deleted email address, that was still refused, presumably because of pointers to archived data don't permit, but this seems like a particularly onerous restriction, or perhaps even a bug, or at least a severe design constraint. *Is this item on an existing to do list?* *Comments please?* Thank you in advance for any responses to the questions in bold to facilitate faster reading, etc. Best regards. Dave Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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missing links in admin request mail Fwd: New subscription request to Mm3-test-mem from hstahl@uw.edu
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats 25 Feb '21

25 Feb '21

Mailman2 and other mailman3 installs I’ve seen included links in the moderation ‘requires approval’ or list subscription request approvals. But the messages from my mailman3 server does not have the links. What configuration am I missing? I’m running off the stable 0.3 docker images as updated this morning to the current releases (3.3.3, 1.3.4, 1.3.4) thanks, steve > From: list2-owner(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu > Subject: list2(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu post from xxx(a)jhmi.edu requires approval > Date: February 25, 2021 at 2:18:14 PM PST > To: list2-owner(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu > > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > following mailing list posting: > > List: list2(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu > From: xxx(a)jhmi.edu > Subject: this is a post that should be moderated > > The message is being held because: > > The message is not from a list member > > At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the > request. > Begin forwarded message: > > From: mm3-test-mem-owner(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu > Subject: New subscription request to Mm3-test-mem from xxx(a)uw.edu > Date: February 25, 2021 at 12:49:05 PM PST > To: mm3-test-mem-owner(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu > > Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request > approval: > > For: xxx(a)uw.edu > List: mm3-test-mem(a)mm3.xxx.s.uw.edu

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docker-mailman Release Schedule
by matthew＠alberti.us 25 Feb '21

25 Feb '21

Hi, Is there an estimated date that a new docker-mailman release will be issued? I think .3.10 is still the latest, which doesn't include the latest releases of core, web, etc. Thanks.

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Correcting name spellings in a list
by Morris Jones 24 Feb '21

24 Feb '21

I typo'd some full names in a mailing list. I want to correct them ... I can't see a way to do that in the Member Options, so I thought I'd try "remove" and re-add, either from the command line or the UI. But the name gets readded with the typo intact. :( Is there a way to fix it without writing SQL? Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

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Best guide for installing from pypi
by duane＠fairsay.com 24 Feb '21

24 Feb '21

Hi. I've got a partial mailman3 install done and, based on the documentation, am not sure how to complete it! (this is my first time) I've installed mailman3 (3.3.3) on a Debian 10 server using python3.7, mysql, postfix, apache, etc. and have run the install using pip3 install mailman. The "mailman info" command works, version shows "3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer)" the databases creates, tables, all exist, etc. So it seems the necessary services are running. I'm running froxlor on the server to configure the non-mailman services (apache, ssl, postfix, etc). I had also tried apt install mailman-full but it was an older version, so using the pypi route ensured I was on the latest version. Looking at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html, what I can't figure out is: 1) There is no /opt/mailman/ user - the user installed seems to be "list" 2) Is a virtual environment needed for a production environment? 3) if django is setup properly or the webservice is working 4) I've tried to connect to some web interface (posterious/hyperkitty/some mailman3 web frontend) via lynx to localhost:8001 on the local machine - but it has a 404 error Anyone got any tips as to next steps? (I'm also happy to pay someone to coach me through it!) Cheers, Duane

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Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/my@lists.domain.eu/pop-threads
by Marco Marinello 24 Feb '21

24 Feb '21

Dear all, I've setup my own instance of Hyperkitty working as archiver of a Mailman 3 server. It works fine but, sometimes, I get an email of a Django error: Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/my(a)lists.domain.eu/pop-threads KeyError at /hyperkitty/list/my(a)lists.domain.eu/pop-threads 'file' Request Method: GET Django Version: 2.2.12 Python Executable: /usr/bin/python3 Python Version: 3.7.3 Traceback: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in inner 129. if not is_mlist_authorized(request, mlist): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in is_mlist_authorized 146. if mlist.list_id in get_subscriptions(request.user): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/mailman.py" in get_subscriptions 130. _get_value, 60, version=2) # 1 minute File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/cache/backends/base.py" in get_or_set 167. default = default() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/mailman.py" in _get_value 122. for member in mm_user.subscriptions File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/user.py" in subscriptions 66. 'members/find', data={'subscriber': address}) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py" in call 112. error_msg, response, None) During handling of the above exception (HTTP Error 500: <html> <head> <title>Internal Server Error</title> </head> <body> <h1><p>Internal Server Error</p></h1> </body> </html> ), another exception occurred: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py" in __call__ 94. response = response or self.get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 36. response = response_for_exception(request, exc) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in response_for_exception 95. exc_info=sys.exc_info(), File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/utils/log.py" in log_response 228. exc_info=exc_info, File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in error 1412. self._log(ERROR, msg, args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in _log 1519. self.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in handle 1529. self.callHandlers(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in callHandlers 1591. hdlr.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in handle 905. self.emit(record) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/utils/log.py" in emit 119. reporter = ExceptionReporter(request, is_email=True, *exc_info) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/views/debug.py" in __init__ 254. self.template_info = getattr(self.exc_value, 'template_debug', None) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/tempfile.py" in __getattr__ 614. file = self.__dict__['file'] Exception Type: KeyError at /hyperkitty/list/my(a)lists.domain.eu/pop-threads Exception Value: 'file' Request information: USER: myuser GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data Where did I go wrong? Best, Marco

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Help with troubleshooting mailman3 DNS lookups
by Simon Handfield 24 Feb '21

24 Feb '21

Dear users, hoping someone can point me in the right direction. Since we set up mailman3 on Ubuntu last year we have migrated to new DNS servers. The Ubuntu host's systemd-resolved service is correctly using the new DNS servers for lookups and postfix is honouring the change as well. However when messages are sent to mailman3 lists we're still seeing hits on the old DNS servers. I have tried to find a config that references the old servers but have not been able to find one. Can anyone provide a tip on where to look next or if there is something that mailman3 requires to recognise the change? Thanks, Simon. _ [State Library of NSW]<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> Simon Handfield Desktop and Infrastructure Leader simon.handfield(a)sl.nsw.gov.au<mailto:simon.handfield@sl.nsw.gov.au> +61 2 9273 1535 Macquarie Street, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia www.sl.nsw.gov.au<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.

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Bounce Problems
by M4tze 23 Feb '21

23 Feb '21

Dear List, I experience some strange effects regarding the bounce handling. The lists are configured with a bounce_info_stale_after = 7d and bounce_score_threshold = 5. (full config dump here: https://pastebin.com/42uTkdTJ) It just happend, that a user has been disabled but should not when regarding the config. The bounce log for the user looks like this: (see here: https://pastebin.com/bWRPa88H) If I understand the settings correctly, bounce_info_stale_after = 7d means that any bounce received > 7d ago are not counted (which would be intuitive). It seems, that there must be a 7d gap between the last bounce received and a new bounce to get the score reset to 1. Is my interpretation right? Is this intentional? Can this be changed? Kind regards - M4tze

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list owner creation
by Christian Stalberg 22 Feb '21

22 Feb '21

If one inadvertently deleted a list owner account, how could one either create a new account and make them a list owner -or- make an existing account a list owner? Thanks!

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A new issue with installation
by Brian Carpenter 20 Feb '21

20 Feb '21

As usual, a new issue has arisen with installing Mailman 3. It seems Postorius and Hyperkitty want to install a module called cryptography. Which I am unable to install because of this: error: Can not find Rust compiler Question 1: Is cryptography a new addition to Hyperkitty/Postorius? Or was cryptography always included and something else is different about my installation process? "Building wheels for collected packages: hyperkitty, django-haystack, django-mailman3, mailmanclient, robot-detection, rcssmin, django-allauth, cryptography" Question 2: Will Hyperkitty/Postorius work without cryptography? I haven't proceed with this installation once I received the above error. Question 3: Are there any Mailman 3/Postorius/HK documentation that addresses with the installation of cryptography? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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more about spanish translations
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 20 Feb '21

20 Feb '21

I've just made a test creating a user in postorius to change an address that already has a suscription (from mailman 2.1). It's a test address with the digest enabled to be aware from any problem in the digest sending messages (e.g. I had to change all digest addresses to mime whe I did the migration from 2.1) The fact is that I cannot find from which template or Weblate term chains it could be from, and the address confirmation email is a language mix in spanish and english. I copy it down. I would like to translate it all, but as said, I cannot find where to do it. I wonder if it's comes from another package as allauth or something like this. Here is the mail: Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5Bescepticos=2Ees=5D_Por_favor_confirmar_direcci=C3=B3n_de_correo?= =?utf-8?q?_electr=C3=B3nico?= From: postorius(a)XXXXXXXXXXX.es To: XXXXXXXX(a)gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 10:26:26 -0000 Message-ID: <161373038620.5080.16387108004007982309(a)XXXXXXX.es> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1,URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 <dns:XXXXXXXXX.es> [172.67.131.28, 104.21.3.190] <dns:XXXXXXXXXX.es?type=MX> [0 XXXXXXXXXXXX.es.] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on XXXXXXXXXXX.es Hello from XXXXXXXXXXX.es! You're receiving this e-mail because user XXXXXXXXXX(a)gmail.com has given your e-mail address to register an account on XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.es. To confirm this is correct, go to https://XXXXXXXXXXX.es/mailman3/accounts/confirm-email/MTM:1lD2zR:3GpALYKI1… Muchas gracias por usar XXXXXXXXXX.es! XXXXXXXXXXX.es

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How to modify system preferences
by Jack Lenox 19 Feb '21

19 Feb '21

Hello everyone, I've been making headway with getting Mailman 3 to run how I like it. However I've hit something of a road-block with system preferences. By that, I'm referring to the default set of preferences set out in the documentation here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… The documentation states that these are only accessible in a read-only format via the REST API, but presumably there is a way of modifying these somewhere? I can't find a way of specifying this in my config and can't find a relevant example in the sample schema.cfg. At this stage, all I want to do is set the default for "receive_own_postings" to False. Can anyone point me in the right direction here? Many thanks! Jack

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archiving problem & updates
by Christian Stalberg 19 Feb '21

19 Feb '21

Archiving has stopped working. No changes were made to the server. How can I diagnose and troubleshoot this please? Are there instructions for how to update mailman3 somewhere? Is there a listing of bug fixes also? Thank you!

3 5

Membership list changes
by Vako Nicolian 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

Using MM 2.1.33 When I send an email to /{list}-request(a){domain.com} /with /who <password> /on the subject line, I get a list of the members of the list. Here are my questions: A) Is there a way to export the list to cvs or txt format? B) Can we format the list to have it come in name 1st and then email C) display number of members D) Sort the list Thank you, Vako

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spanish localization
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

I contributed in january to translate to spanish all the items left in Mailman Core, Django-mailman, HyperKitty and Postorius via Weblate. I thought they will be used in the next upgrade, but I cannot see any improvement and there are many words untranslated. Is there any way to upgrade the .po files in order to get the last translation? P.S.: I will follow translating the Weblate updates, by the way.

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Mailman, etc. upgrade woes and persistent bugs
by hansen＠rc.org 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

I just had my Mailman suite upgraded. When it got started, I starting receiving messages that hundreds of subscribers to the lists had been disables, including several of the list moderators. This version started supporting bounce processing, but how in the world was this upgrade allowed to act on bounces that were being collected PRIOR to enabling bounce processing?? I got many angry emails, messages and phone calls asking what was going on, as they were bona fide list members. I was very surprised myself. I then looked at several of the disabled accounts, but the subscription info page in Postorius had no information about whether an account was enabled or disabled. Why is this not displayed???. The members can't see if their account is enabled. Is this another example of the disconnect between Mailman and Postorius? Further, even after the upgrade, the moderators still cannot access the list memberships even though all the lists are set to allow that. I would have asked the moderators to do this if this access bug had been fixed, but they can't get there. As a result of these bugs, after consulting with Brian, who helped with the upgrade, I spent many hours re-enabling the several hundred accounts that had been disabled. I had to go through each email notification to find the address of a disabled account, then find the list, then the member, in Postorius, and finally enable the account (at which time Postorius DID show the enabled status). Please, can the next upgrade include these very basic fixes/enhancements, which I requested a long time ago: a. The ability of moderators to see the list membership (a bug). b. The ability of members to change their addresses for all lists they are subscribed to. and further, now: c. That when members go to look at their subscription info, they can actually see the settings. Thank you, Allan

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Mailman3 crashes on restart
by Gelpi Andrea 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

After restarting my mail server mailman3 does not start any more. Mailman3 in on a debian 10. I upgraded the django packets but no result. This the syslog output. Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: Traceback (most recent call last): Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: load_entry_point('mailman==3.2.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 764, in __call__ Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 717, in main Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: rv = self.invoke(ctx) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return super().invoke(ctx) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1137, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 956, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 555, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return callback(*args, **kwargs) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/decorators.py", line 17, in new_func Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 81, in start Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: status, lock = master_state() Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 104, in master_state Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: os.kill(pid, 0) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: PermissionError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted Feb 17 17:00:24 posta systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Feb 17 17:00:24 posta systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Any idea? What have I to check? Thanks -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

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Re: Mailman, etc. upgrade woes and persistent bugs
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

Steve, What I mean by per-user permissions is that some transitions, for example bounce-disabled to enabled, should be only possible by someone with appropriate permission to do so -- perhaps the list admin, perhaps someone else, but not just anyone. Another example _could_ be if a user disables themselves then only that user can re-enable them again (though I can see that might not be good). Of course, you can to some extent group users by role, so 'admin' role is always ok, 'list-owner' role is ok for any action on that list, etc. If you had a 'role' which was 'account-owner' then you can probably code the rule for re-enabling an account disabled by the account owner as "role = admin or role = list-owner or role = account-owner". Whether this needs to be extended to "role=admin or user = guy" (where 'guy' is a named account holder) I don't know... I suspect it would be better if that wasn't done unless it was shown to be necessary, as "here be dragons". Do you see where I'm at? In writing this up it occurs to me that being able to see/edit rules such as these, stored in per-list config, would probably be a good thing. Don't know how practical that is though. Regards, Ruth On 16/02/2021 15:29, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Hi, Ruth, > > Thanks for the comments. I'll have to think about most of it, but I > have one immediate question. > > Ruth Ivimey-Cook writes: > > > > On 13/02/2021 16:34, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > > I don't think separate booleans is a good idea, since they're > > > basically mutually exclusive states[.] > > > > While using one variable makes some sense as you say, it does > > complicate the allowed state transitions especially when per-user > > permissions as well as logic are applied to the situation. > > I don't understand how "per-user permissions" apply here. > > Regards, > Steve -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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Rebuilding a list index fails
by Mark Dadgar 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

Now that I’ve got my instance back up and running on the latest released code, I am trying to rebuild a list index. I am using Xapian via haystack, which worked beautifully before my recent list meltdown. Error messages below. rebuild_index fails with the same error. This is with django version 3.0.12. I am sure I missed reinstalling something or there’s a version mismatch. Thoughts? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 —— (venv) mailman@mail:/opt/mailman/mm/bin$ ./django-admin update_index_one_list xxxxxxs(a)pdc-racing.net Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(execute_from_command_line()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 401, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 395, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 328, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 369, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/update_index_one_list.py", line 41, in handle update_index(listname=options.get("listname")[0], File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 117, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 280, in update_backend backend = haystack_connections[using].get_backend() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 115, in __getitem__ self.thread_local.connections[key] = load_backend( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 61, in load_backend return import_class(full_backend_path) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 23, in import_class module_itself = importlib.import_module(module_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1014, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 991, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 975, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 671, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 783, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 10, in <module> from django.utils import six ImportError: cannot import name 'six' from 'django.utils' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/__init__.py)

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3rd Party Account is not working
by kwp.klein＠gmail.com 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

I installed Mailman 3 with Postfix. I try to login with the 3rd Party Account. It is not possible, because I get this error message: Server error An error occurred while processing your request.

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ham-confirm+3ee85b006eeb5897ca6f53b093cb063672f6a784@example.com
by Jörg Klein 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

I want add some subscribers. When the I get this error message: I have no address ham-request(a)example.com. Do I need for every mailing list more as the mailing list email address? Final-Recipient: rfc822; ham-request(a)example.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: dns; mx0.example.com. (80.237.138.5, the server for the domain example.com.) Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 Address invalid (ID:550:1:1 (mi015.mc1.hosteurope.de)) Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:13:18 -0800 (PST)

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List is down - RemovedInDjango30Warning
by Mark Dadgar 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

So I did the latest mailman upgrades within my venv (per the instructions got from Brian Carpenter when he installed it for me) to the latest version. I had a strange CPU pegging issue that turned out to be mailman struggling with a malformed message but in the process of debugging that I downgraded to the previous mailman release. The resulted in a broken web interface. Today, while debugging, I did a pip install --upgrade of all the components as listed in a previous thread. Now none of the mailman3 processes will start. Doing a bin/mailman-post-update results in the error message below, which are consistent with the issues I saw earlier when trying to access the web interface. Anyone got a solution to this? I suspect it’s something simple, but django is just not my area of expertise. Thanks! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 ——— (venv) mailman@mail:/opt/mailman/mm/bin$ ./mailman-post-update + '[' False == False ']' + mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/static + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin compress Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 66, in __getitem__ return self._engines[alias] KeyError: 'django' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 121, in get_package_libraries module = import_module(entry[1]) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1014, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 991, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 975, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 671, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 783, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/templatetags/admin_static.py", line 5, in <module> from django.utils.deprecation import RemovedInDjango30Warning ImportError: cannot import name 'RemovedInDjango30Warning' from 'django.utils.deprecation' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(execute_from_command_line()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 401, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 395, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 328, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 369, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 277, in handle self.handle_inner(**options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 300, in handle_inner offline_manifest, block_count, results = self.compress(engine, extensions, verbosity, follow_links, log) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 100, in compress if not self.get_loaders(): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 50, in get_loaders for e in engines.all(): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 90, in all return [self[alias] for alias in self] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 90, in <listcomp> return [self[alias] for alias in self] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 81, in __getitem__ engine = engine_cls(params) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 25, in __init__ options['libraries'] = self.get_templatetag_libraries(libraries) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 43, in get_templatetag_libraries libraries = get_installed_libraries() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 108, in get_installed_libraries for name in get_package_libraries(pkg): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 123, in get_package_libraries raise InvalidTemplateLibrary( django.template.library.InvalidTemplateLibrary: Invalid template library specified. ImportError raised when trying to load 'django.contrib.admin.templatetags.admin_static': cannot import name 'RemovedInDjango30Warning' from 'django.utils.deprecation' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py)

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Imported Digest Settings
by Brian Carpenter 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

I am still seeing digest formatting issues with the import of Mailman 2 lists into Mailman 3. I am running the latest stable version of Mailman 3 core which is 3.3.3. This is what my client reported: > For the last three REDACTED digests I have been getting unusual and > unreadable characters? See example below. > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *REDACTED >> *Subject: *REDACTED*Digest, Vol 2453, Issue 2* >> *Date: *February 13, 2021 at 12:30:24 AM PST >> *To: *REDACTED@REDACTED >> *Reply-To: *REDACTED@REDACTED >> >> �P*+]4�LaG@��[� S� XZ[ [�� \� �X�Z\��[ۜ� ‚] [� [�ܙ‚� � �X��ܚX�H ܈ >> [��X��ܚX�H �XH [XZ[ �[� H Y\��Y�H �] �X�X� ܂�� H� [ � ‚] [�\�\]Y\� >> [�ܙ‚�[�H �[� �XX� H \��ۈ X[�Y�[�� H \� ] �] [�[#<^_NSEDR_^#<ۙ\� >> [�ܙ‚�� [� �\ Z[�� X\�H Y ] [�\� �X�X� [�H �� ] \� [ܙH � X�Y�X [� �N� >> �۝ [� � و S� Y�\� �� ^I�� X�΂� K� �N� [� \� � [\ � >> �� ] >> \�B�KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKB�Y\��Y�N�B� >> ] N� �K L� �X��HL ��N�� L ��N� �� ] \� �� ] >> \�]\�X˘��O��X�X� � � S�H �N� [� \� � [\ • Έ �� [�Y[ �� [�Y[ >> ]ܙ[��K�Y O��Έ � S� H �[\ ] ^Y\�� [� \�] [ۘ[ �] �ܚˈ� [� >> [�ܙς�Y\��Y�KRQ � Q� >> � >> KM�� M� N Q �P��PL �P �] \�]\�X˘��O��۝ [� U \ N� ][ \ \� �[ \�] >> ]�N‚X��[� \�OP\ KSXZ[ M ь P�KL�L�KM ��KP�KM��̌#<^_NSEDR_^#<͌ >> L �Y\� H [�� YX�� H \� Y �[[^H [� � X� \� [�� Y] [�� Y�ܙH H Y� >> \� [� ] �Y[\� �\� Y [� �� \�H ��\ ] H ] [ � H �\� ۙH و \� � Y [� ˈ [ >> [�� ]�\�] [�� H �]�H YK �\� [� ]�Y X[ \ \�� [� �\�[ [�� X� [ۜˈ H >> �\�[ [�� X� [ۋ �H �\� �\� H [�� [\ ܝ [� [� �[ XX� H \� � H ۸�&] [�� >> H �]�H [ و \� � Y [� � H �[YH X] \�X[ ˈ ] �\� H ]X� [ܙH >> \�#<^_NSEDR_^#<ۘ[ ^�Y \ ��X� �܈ XX� � Y [� � H ��Y� \� �� ] H [� >> ܚ] [� � Y� H �]�H YH H \�� Y [� ]�[� ] � �� Y\� >> [�H ]�H � �H � � ۛ�� Y� ] \�JK ��\� �܈ �^[ۙ ] � [�� ] \��[� >> ��H ^H T ۙB� ۈ �X�L So the questions I have are: 1. Why does the formatting of digests change for some members when coming from MM2 to MM3? 2. What proble does the above example reveal? 3. What is the best approach to mitigate these issues? What I did: I had the client change the list member's digest setting from plain-text to mime. Was that the right instruction to do? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Bottom line of message footer
by Tom Stoddard 15 Feb '21

15 Feb '21

Here's another question that I have. A regular message just came into my email from one of the lists I'm a member of and it had a 3 line footer. The first two lines are fine, they just include the list's email address and an address to send unsubscribe requests to. The third line is this: %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s It looks to me like it should be a link to the group's list info page. Is this a bug or is there something I can do to fix it? It looks like it might be missing a forward slash after the first "s".

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Unknown templates being used
by Tom Stoddard 15 Feb '21

15 Feb '21

I'm a list owner who has recently (within the last week) had my lists migrated from mailman 2 to mailman 3. The UI that we are using is Affinity. I've reviewed all of the list templates and begun to customize some of them. My issue is that I'm receiving messages that don't match any of the templates. Here is an example of one that I just received this morning. (The x's are inserted by me. The actual message provided valid addresses.) The xxxxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxxxxx.org list has 1 moderation requests waiting. Held Subscriptions: User:xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. When I log in to review the request it appears to be a subscription request awaiting approval. I had previously modified the "Moderator Approval Subscription" template, which is what I would expect to have received in this circumstance. I administer several lists and have received some messages that do use the newly modified template so I assume I did it correctly. Any idea where the template for this message came from? Thanks!

3 5

Dealing with recipients' servers spam filtering
by Gilles Filippini 13 Feb '21

13 Feb '21

Hi, I run a mailman3 instance with mainly private lists for which I know and trust every single member. Some of them have Hotmail email addresses, and the messages they send though our lists are rejected as being spam by most of the recipients' mail servers, while these are legitimate emails. I'd welcome any pointer to best practices / howtos regarding mailman3 / exim4 configuration to mitigate this problem. Many thanks in advance, _g.

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Mailman 3 installation from latest Debian packages
by Matthew Blissett 12 Feb '21

12 Feb '21

Hi, I've installed mailman3-full 3.3.3-1 from Debian bullseye (Debian testing). The dropdown controls on the UI for Postorius (e.g. "Subscription requests", "Mass operations" and the username button to log out) and the similar controls on Hyperkitty (e.g. "Threads by month") do not work. You can see the latter at http://newlistszm.gbif.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/test@newlistszm.gbif.or… I found https://lists.gem5.org/archives/list/gem5-announce@gem5.org/ which is running the same version, but presumably not using these Debian packages as the Javascript is slightly different. Could this be a problem with the Debian packaging, or perhaps my configuration -- which is very close to the defaults (i.e. Mailman and Apache configuration generated by dpkg). Has anyone set up a working installation using these packages? Thanks, Matt Blissett PS, I wrote a similar message earlier in the week to a Debian list: https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-mailman-hackers/2021-February…

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Innstall and run Mailman 3 with Postfix in a Docker enviroment
by kwp.klein＠gmail.com 11 Feb '21

11 Feb '21

## Install Mailman 3 The idea is to install Mailman 3 in ad docker container. Also I want to install Postfix in a container. All the mail which will send and receive should handled in a docker container. The reason is, that on the server only applications in a docker environment working. There is no MTA installed. On the server are Discourse as forum, wikijs, portainer, watchtower, homepage, and the NGINX Proxy Manager installed. At next I need Mailman 3. I don't know how to install and run Postfix for Mailman in a docker environment. Here is my first try. I can visit the site lists.example.com, but I can not set the Admin password. I think the reason is, that the MTA not working. I have a gitlab repo. If you like please look here: https://gitlab.com/joklein/mailman ### Configure the docker-compose.yml file ```yml version: '2' services: postfix: image: mailu/postfix restart: unless-stopped container_name: postfix volumes: - /opt/mailman/postfix:/etc/postfix/main.cf.d - /opt/mailman/core:/opt/mailman ports: - "25:25" networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.6 services: mailman-core: image: maxking/mailman-core:0.3 restart: unless-stopped stop_grace_period: 30s container_name: mailman-core hostname: mailman-core volumes: - /opt/mailman/core:/opt/mailman links: - database:database depends_on: - database environment: - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_CLASS=mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase - SMTP_HOST=172.19.199.1 - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=ZawB3NGBUgbmQcMGhZ0kYIW0WRNw8P9osEudsGiFZWv networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.2 mailman-web: image: maxking/mailman-web:0.3 container_name: mailman-web restart: unless-stopped hostname: mailman-web ports: - "8000:8000" depends_on: - database links: - mailman-core:mailman-core - database:database volumes: - /opt/mailman/web:/opt/mailman-web-data environment: - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=ZawB3NGBUgbmQcMGhZ0kYIW0WRNw8P9osEudsGiFZWv - UWSGI_STATIC_MAP=/static=/opt/mailman-web-data/static - SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN=lists.example.com - MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER=admin - MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL=lists(a)example.com - SECRET_KEY=mailmangeheim networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.3 database: image: postgres:9.6-alpine restart: unless-stopped environment: POSTGRES_DB: mailmandb POSTGRES_USER: mailman POSTGRES_PASSWORD: mailmanpass volumes: - /opt/mailman/database:/var/lib/postgresql/data networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.4 networks: mailman: driver: bridge ipam: driver: default config: - subnet: 172.19.199.0/24 ``` #### Build the API Key für Hyperkitty and SECRET_KEY You can build a key with `pwgen -s 128` #### Make some directorys ```sh mkdir -p /opt/mailman/core mkdir -p /opt/mailman/web mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mailman-web-data/static ``` #### Make a file in /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py ```sh EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = '172.19.199.1' EMAIL_PORT = 25 USE_SSL = False DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = "<E-MAIL>" SERVER_EMAIL = "<E-MAIL>" ``` Change the `<E-MAIL>` with your server address. For example `mailman(a)lists.example.com` So that Postfix also sends your e-mails, you create the file `/opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg` with the following content: ```sh [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 172.19.199.2 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: 172.19.199.1 smtp_port: 25 configuration: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg ``` Now you are ready to start your container: ```sh sudo su - cd /root/mailman-docker docker-compose up -d ``` #### Check the mailman images ```sh docker ps -a CONTAINER ID IMAGE COMMAND CREATED STATUS PORTS NAMES f6990a2f808f maxking/mailman-web:0.3 "docker-entrypoint.s…" 55 seconds ago Up 52 seconds 8000/tcp, 8080/tcp mailman-web a7fa6334b2b8 maxking/mailman-core:0.3 "docker-entrypoint.s…" 58 seconds ago Up 54 seconds 8001/tcp, 8024/tcp mailman-core e8812dc42663 postgres:9.6-alpine "docker-entrypoint.s…" About a minute ago Up 57 seconds 5432/tcp docker-mailman_database_1 ``` #### Check the conection ```sh curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/ ```

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error when starting the mailman executable from the venv
by Christian Stalberg 10 Feb '21

10 Feb '21

I tried to access a 'held' message and got the 'Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.' error message. When I went to start the mailman executable from the venv I get this #~mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman start Starting Mailman's master runner Generating MTA alias maps Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.2', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 829, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 782, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 68, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1259, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1066, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 610, in invoke return callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 21, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 131, in start os.execl(*execl_args) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/os.py", line 539, in execl execv(file, args) TypeError: expected str, bytes or os.PathLike object, not NoneType Please advise. Thank you. ~Christian

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Problems with web interface after upgrade
by Victoriano Giralt 10 Feb '21

10 Feb '21

Hi, I just applied all the recipes that have been recently posted for upgrading (pip install --upgrade of all pieces, migrate, collectstatic) The compress part refuses to work "OFF_LINE", whatever that is. I tried with mailman running and stopped. I can access hte main Postorius page and the basic list information, but I cannot login nor access the archives. Operations end on two exceptions logged to the log file (and two mail messages to the owner = me). Very similar to what I get if I try to --force the "compress". I'm sure I'm missing somethning, but do not know what ... Thanks! Traceback: ERROR 2021-02-09 19:57:41,414 726 django.request Internal Server Error: /listas/accounts/login/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 263, in precompile mod = import_module(mod_name) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 994, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 971, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 953, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 145, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 143, in _get_response response = response.render() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/response.py", line 106, in render self.content = self.rendered_content File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/response.py", line 83, in rendered_content content = template.render(context, self._request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/templatetags/compress.py", line 131, in render return self.render_compressed(context, self.kind, self.mode, forced=forced) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/templatetags/compress.py", line 107, in render_compressed rendered_output = compressor.output(mode, forced=forced) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/css.py", line 49, in output ret.append(subnode.output(*args, **kwargs)) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/css.py", line 51, in output return super(CssCompressor, self).output(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 295, in output output = '\n'.join(self.filter_input(forced)) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 235, in filter_input for hunk in self.hunks(forced): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 205, in hunks precompiled, value = self.precompile(value, **options) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 268, in precompile return True, filter.input(**kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/filters/base.py", line 229, in input return super(CachedCompilerFilter, self).input(**kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/filters/base.py", line 196, in input raise FilterError(err) compressor.exceptions.FilterError: Error: It's not clear which file to import for '@import "../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap"'. Candidates: ../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/_bootstrap.scss ../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap.scss Please delete or rename all but one of these files. on line 4 of static/hyperkitty/sass/hyperkitty.scss >> @import "../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap"; ^ -- Victoriano Giralt Innovation Director Digital Transformation Vicerectorate University of Malaga +34952131415 SPAIN ================================================================== Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure ? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ?

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Reason for Shunting
by Brian Carpenter 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

Is there a way to determine why a message keeps ending up in the shunt queue? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Running Mailman3 v3.2.1 on Devuan 10.0, getting a pid permissions error on Mailman3-web
by rainbear＠gmail.com 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

# service mailman3-web stop [....] Stopping Mailman3-web uWSGI service: mailman3-webstart-stop-daemon: matching on world-writable pidfile /run/mailman3-web/mailman3-web.pid is insecure # ls -l /run/mailman3-web/mailman3-web.pid -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 6 Feb 9 13:00 /run/mailman3-web/mailman3-web.pid # mailman info GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.7.3 (default, Jul 25 2020, 13:03:44) [GCC 8.3.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////var/lib/mailman3/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://*obscured*:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: *obscured* Any help, as always, is greatly appreciated. It's been a while, my old server died on me a few years back, and I'm finally getting around to getting a new one set up. I'd been looking forward to MM3 for *ages*! I can't wait to play! :-D Thank you in advance! If I forgot any relevant info, I'm happy to provide. Best, --Glenn

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API access to Hyperkitty
by Brian Carpenter 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

Is it possible to download Hyperkitty's archives to a remote server via an API? Is there documentation that explains how to accomplish this task? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Hyperkitty_import.py Error
by Brian Carpenter 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

I am trying to import some old archives (going back to 2003) into a Mailman 3 list. The import job is terminating very early in the process with the following error: IndexError: string index out of range 1. Is there a way to fix a mbox file that is generating this type of error? 2. If a message is causing this error, is there a way to import the rest of the mbox file by importing messages after a certain date within the mbox file? I know the --since flag should be able to do that but I am unsure what the date/time format should be. 3. The --no-sync--mailman flag indicates the possibility of doing batch imports. What are batch imports and how do you do them? Thanks! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Implicit Destination Meaning
by Brian Carpenter 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

I just migrated a MM2 list to MM3. The client had no problem sending posts to his list with MM2. However when he posted to his MM3 list, it showed up in the moderation queue: ============ Your mail to 'dogs(a)lists.redacted.org' with the subject mailing list changes Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The message is being held because: Message has implicit destination Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. =========== Is there a List Setting somewhere that needs to be adjusted to allow this sender to post without moderation? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Moderator Approval Subscription template
by Brian Carpenter 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

Hey all, I am seeing a strange issue with the Moderator Approval Subscription template. 1. First problem is that this template by default does not include a URL to the list admin page of said mailing list. Mailman 2's notifications did. 2. Problem 1 can be solved by editing the template and adding the List Owner (admin) url to moderate the subscription. However in the case of long URLs, the URL is getting cut-off in Thunderbird. Not sure about other email clients. So something like: https://list.redeacted.org/admin/list/oligodendroglioma.list.redacted.org comes through to Thunderbird like: https://list.redacted.org/admin/list/oligodendroglioma.list.redact (<-- This is hyperlinked but leaves out the ed.org portion) ed.org (<--- This is not hyperlinked) -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Postorius upgrade issue
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook 09 Feb '21

09 Feb '21

Folks, I upgraded mailman-web and mailman-core to 3.3.3 in the manner suggested recently (pip install -U) and all seemed well, but have now noticed a strange bug. On the Postorius list admin page (where moderated subscriptions etc can be seen) although the top horizontal menu is present and the links exist, all the links are to that page (i.e. href="#') Is this a known issue, and how can I fix it? Pre upgrade all was well. Regards, Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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Sync list members
by Brian Carpenter 08 Feb '21

08 Feb '21

Hello, Outside of using the REST API, are there any other ways to sync a Mailman 3 roster with a file that contains list members? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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KeyError: 'get_requests_count' after an upgrade
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 08 Feb '21

08 Feb '21

I've just upgrade mailman 3 installation following Mr. Sapiro advice: did a pip install --upgrade django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman mailmanclient mailman-hyperkitty postorius I did a "python3 manage.py migrate" after, too. And all seemed to run well. All the lists showed in postorius via web, but when I try to accesss into one of them the browser shows an error. In the log you can see: *-*-*-*-*-*-* Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 119, in __getattr__ return self._get(name) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 86, in _get raise KeyError(key) KeyError: 'get_requests_count' ... (And after all the traceback lines) AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count' *-*-*-*-*-*-*-* The lists seem to be distributing messeages well.. but I cannot acces via web administration (django/postorius) Can anyone point me in the right direction to solve this, please?

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Footer
by Eric Broens 07 Feb '21

07 Feb '21

Hi, I have created a footer via the webUI "Templates" option, but it is not included in the mails distributed by the mailinglist. From information given in other threads, I checked the DB, and the entry for this footer is created in the template table. The uri for the footer is http://localhost:8000/postorius/api/templates/list/..., but there is no process listening on port 8000. Do I need to install/configure something additionally to get a process listening on port 8000? Thanks in advance,Eric

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Clone or copy Mailman list
by w.schoener＠alp.dillingen.de 05 Feb '21

05 Feb '21

Hi there, i am using a mailman 3.2.1, core Api 3.0, Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3. I have to create a large number of Mailman lists, all with the simulare settings. Is there a way to clone a list with all settings an another list name? Thank you :-) Wolfgang

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Module Not Found Error after update
by Brian Carpenter 05 Feb '21

05 Feb '21

I went to upgrade Mailman 3/Hyperkitty/Postorius on a development server: |pip install --upgrade postorius hyperkitty mailman| The above was done as the user mailman in a venv. I then proceed to run the ./mailman-post-update script in the bin directory. The script through an exception with the following line saying: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'django_mailman3.lib.user' Please advise. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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is it possible to rebuild mailman-web database please?
by Giovanni Biscuolo 30 Jan '21

30 Jan '21

Hello, I'm pretty new to mailman3, especially it's internals. I upgraded a (running fine) mailman3 service from NixOS 20.03 https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Mailman to NixOS 20.09 https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/index.html#module-services-mailman After the upgrade I got this very same issue: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/328 --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- mailman mailman-web-setup-start[1832]: raise utils.IntegrityError( mailman mailman-web-setup-start[1832]: django.db.utils.IntegrityError: The row in table 'hyperkitty_attachment' with primary key '1' has an invalid foreign key: hyperkitty_attachment.email_id contains a value '7' that does not have a corresponding value in hyperkitty_email__old.id. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I was not able to fix the migration issue so I recreated the mailman-web sqlite database (/var/lib/mailman-web) using the "migrate" function. After that, and after recreating the database many times, I'm getting this error when trying to access the web interface: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Jan 26 11:34:30 OMISSIS env[18167]: django.db.utils.OperationalError: no such table: django_site --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Actually the django_site table is in the database so I can't understand why of this message. Please is there a way to recreate the mailman-web database from scratch or to fix this kind of problems? Thanks! Giovanni -- Giovanni Biscuolo

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So near, and yet so far (Configuring Mailman)
by j＠cklenox.earth 30 Jan '21

30 Jan '21

Hello all, I've spent more time than I care to admit trying to configure Mailman. And I almost have it all working now, but I just can't seem to get my Mailman/Postfix combo to receive emails. When I try to send emails to lists I'm rebuffed with undelivered notices with: <testlist(a)lists.fiftyshadesof.green>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=lists type=AAAA: Host not found and: <testlist(a)lists.fiftyshadesof.green>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=lists.fiftyshadesof.green type=MX: Host not found, try again This to me appears to be an issue with my DNS settings, but I can't work this out either. I have an A record for lists.fiftyshadesof.green pointing at my server, and an MX record pointing at that: lists.fiftyshadesof.green. 0 IN MX 0 lists.fiftyshadesof.green. lists.fiftyshadesof.green. 0 IN A 193.37.35.191 I have driven myself mad with this and would very much appreciate any advice anyone can offer. Many thanks! Jack

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API errors making member changes to one list but not others
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats 28 Jan '21

28 Jan '21

We had an issue with the UI getting API timeouts for a single list for specific functions but not other lists or other functions. This started happening after we accidentally filled the disk partition used by most of the system including the database. There was a single person testing at the time when the disk fullness happened and it was only the single list that got ‘damaged’. After disk cleanup and restarting the docker images the single list would give API errors ("HTTP Error 400: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5)” ) on the screen and logged errors (below) when list members were either subscribed or removed. The issue was repeatable in Postorius and did not ‘heal’. Oddly the issue was resolved by making seemingingly the same API calls from the command line via curl. Making the below call to add a member succeeded and fixed being able to add members in the UI. Similarly sending a DELETE cal from curl worked where unsubscribe requests from postorius (either mass removal or picking addresses from the list member and unsubscribing selected) failed. Again, the unsubscribe from the curl DELETE call ‘healed’ the list such that subsequent unsubscribes in Postorius worked. curl --user user:password -X POST -d 'list_id=laura-test.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu' -d 'subscriber=ssw(a)uw.edu' -d 'pre_verified=true' -d 'pre_confirmed=true' -d 'pre_approved=true' http://172.19.199.2:8001/3.1/members We’re running the current rolling docker images (up to date as of 25Jan2021) Obviously, people should run their servers better than letting disk partitions fill-up but it’s going to happen and mailman3 should do a better job of reporting errors and recovering when accidents happen. thanks, steve I’ve included mailman.log lines from going to the mass subscribe [26/Jan/2021:20:42:49 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu HTTP/1.1" 200 434 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:42:49 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:42:49 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:43:01 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu HTTP/1.1" 200 434 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" Jan 26 20:43:07 2021 (48) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 426, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 421, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 268, in _read_status line = str(self.fp.readline(_MAXLINE + 1), "iso-8859-1") File "/usr/lib/python3.8/socket.py", line 669, in readinto return self._sock.recv_into(b) socket.timeout: timed out During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 439, in send resp = conn.urlopen( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 724, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 403, in increment raise six.reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/packages/six.py", line 735, in reraise raise value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 670, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 428, in _make_request self._raise_timeout(err=e, url=url, timeout_value=read_timeout) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 335, in _raise_timeout raise ReadTimeoutError( urllib3.exceptions.ReadTimeoutError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 343, in _step_do_subscription self.member = self.mlist.subscribe( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 507, in subscribe notify(SubscriptionEvent( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/event/__init__.py", line 32, in notify subscriber(event) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/membership.py", line 176, in handle_SubscriptionEvent send_welcome_message(mlist, member, member.preferred_language) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/notifications.py", line 51, in send_welcome_message welcome_message = wrap(getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 188, in get contents = getUtility(ITemplateManager).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 110, in get contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 38, in get response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 76, in get return request('get', url, params=params, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 61, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 530, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 643, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 529, in send raise ReadTimeout(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) [26/Jan/2021:20:43:07 +0000] "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 400 130 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:43:07 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:43:07 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" Then the results of a successful subscribe: [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/list2.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu HTTP/1.1" 200 388 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 201 0 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/list2(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/list2(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2” >

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Perplexing unsubscribing notification problem
by Brian Carpenter 27 Jan '21

27 Jan '21

Hi MM3 Users, I have a perplexing issue with one of our Mailman 3 servers. It doesn't want to send out unsubscribe notifications when a List Owner removes a list member. The server sends out welcome messages and subscription notifications fine just not unsubscribe notifications when a List Owner removes a list member. It will send out an unsubscribe notification if the list member sends an email to listname-leave@listdomain both to the List Owner and List Member. Nothing is showing in the logs as far as I can tell. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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I like your style, but what is it?
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats 27 Jan '21

27 Jan '21

How do I get a dump of list settings for each style. Thanks, steve p.s. the search on https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html gives results but every link needs to have ‘projects/mailman/‘ removed from the url to work.

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Problem updating mailman
by Odhiambo Washington 26 Jan '21

26 Jan '21

I am getting this error after I did a git pull and build. (venv) [mailman3@gw ~/git]$ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman-post-update + '[' False == False ']' + mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/static + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 +* /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin compress* CommandError: An error occurred during rendering /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.3.4rc2-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/404.html: /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/dependency.rb:311:in `to_specs': Could not find 'sass-listen' (~> 4.0.0) among 4 total gem(s) (Gem::MissingSpecError) Checked in 'GEM_PATH=/opt/mailman/.gem/ruby/2.7:/usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/2.7', execute `gem env` for more information from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1446:in `block in activate_dependencies' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1435:in `each' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1435:in `activate_dependencies' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1417:in `activate' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems.rb:305:in `block in activate_bin_path' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems.rb:304:in `synchronize' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems.rb:304:in `activate_bin_path' from /usr/local/bin/sass:23:in `<main>' The other output from this process is so long so I pasted it here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/tsB2CCNrQG/ Thanks -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

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Language Support In Templates
by Brian Carpenter 26 Jan '21

26 Jan '21

Hello MM3 Users, I have a question regarding the use of templates in different languages. I created a template for the unsubscribe notification in Postorius in Greek. The template shows up fine in Greek via Postorius. However the email that is sent out has a bunch of question marks where the Greek should be: ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? email ???? ???, ????? ????? ? ??????????? GNU Mailman ???? ????? $. ?????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ?? ????????? email $user_email ?????? ?? GNU Mailman ?????? ?? ?????????? ??? ??????? ???, ?????? ????? ?? ????????????? ?? ?????? ???. ???????? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ?????????? ?? ???? ?? ??????. ? ?? ?????? ?? ????????????? ??? ???????? ?????? - ??? ???? ?? ???????? line - ?? ??? ?????? ???? ?? $ request_email: confirm $token ????????? ??? ? ???? ???????? "?????????" ?? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ?????????????. ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??????????? ??? ????? ?? ????????? ???????????? ????????????, ????? ???????? ??? ??????. ??? ????????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ??? ?? ?????, ? ????? ????? ?????????, ???????? ?? ?????????????? $owner_email What does it take to get templates to send out messages in a different language then the interface itself. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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How to approve moderated messages via email?
by Brian Carpenter 24 Jan '21

24 Jan '21

What is the protocol to approve moderated messages via email? I hope I asking the question correctly. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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False attachments in Outlook 2019?
by Brian Olesen 24 Jan '21

24 Jan '21

Dear Mailman 3 users, I seriously think of upgrading from Mailman 2.1.33 to this new RC2 or the final one, when it comes out. But there is an annoying issue that I'd like to ask you about. It's the false attachments that Outlook creates for the footer. Is this still an issue when using Mailman 3, or have you made some sort of work around? I mean here in 2021 it could be nice to use html as the default mail format to be able to create nice looking mails, and due to EU regulations an unsubscription is a requirement. Best regards Brian Olesen from Denmark P.S. If this issue has been solved I will happily translate the mail templates into Danish if wanted.

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Blocked by Hotmail
by Tom ＠ Gather 23 Jan '21

23 Jan '21

I am getting rejections from Hotmail Jan 18 14:42:22 mail postfix/smtp[6571]: 046713F914: to=< helen_maryd(a)hotmail.com>, relay=hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.58.161]:25, delay=0.14, delays=0.06/0.03/0.04/0.01, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.58.161] said: 550 5.7.1 Unfortunately, messages from [167.99.151.239] weren't sent. Please contact your Internet service provider since part of their network is on our block list (S3140). You can also refer your provider to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. [ BN8NAM11FT014.eop-nam11.prod.protection.outlook.com] (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) I have submitted a ticket to https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/supportrequestform/8ad563e3-288e-2a61-8… Not sure why they are blocking me. Not on any other blacklists per mxtoolbox... Anyone else experienced this? How to resolve? My mail server is on Digital Ocean if that makes any difference. Thanks for any help -- Tom for the Gather Team https://info.gather.coop

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django fake users
by r.woithe＠callassoftware.com 23 Jan '21

23 Jan '21

Hello, is there a opportunity to avoid django fake users? Because of it is not stopping, further and further fake users are subscribing. Would be nice to have a possibility to stop this.

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"Unsubscribe all" failed with large lists
by Alan So 21 Jan '21

21 Jan '21

We are currently testing latest mailman suite (w/Postorius 1.3.3) and notice that that the the API call /3.1/lists/listname.domain/roster/member failed when using "Unsubscribe all" on Postorius for a large list (~15000 members). Not sure whether the issue has been already reported or not.

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Unable to retrieve <800 members of Mailman list through Curl command
by Shashikanth Komandoor 20 Jan '21

20 Jan '21

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.7 version with default values. I am almost running 2000 lists with 128 GB RAM and 24 Cores on a single VM and on which all the mailman 3 components are running. It is observed for most of the lists having members more than 500 is displaying "Mailman REST API not available. Please restart Mailman Core" message on the postorius window and on running the CURL command over REST API of Mailman it is reaching the time limit 30 seconds and showing the below error. *curl: (52) Empty reply from serverNo JSON object could be decoded* The same behavior is observed on browsing the held messages for few lists either through the browser or through CURL and REST API. How to resolve this issue ? What other details I can provide to make you get an idea ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Easiest way to install a new mailman3 deployment?
by ieso＠johnwillson.com 18 Jan '21

18 Jan '21

So I've been trying for the last two weeks to get a new mailman3 server running on a virtualized server (any server), and I'm turning to this list after having failed many times and running out of holiday time. I started trying a non-docker installation on Ubuntu 18.04 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan…) , which got me the closest. Except I had a problem with inbound email only being triggered when it came from certain accounts. But that clearly wasn't good enough for production, so after many attempts to figure out where it was failing, I decided to turn to docker as a solution that should be cleaner. A few attempts at doing a docker installation on digitalocean.com failed, which I realized might be due to it not routing private IP addresses, so I moved to AWS after checking that their VPC policy would fit mailman's docker requirements. I found a great but slightly outdated guide on how to do this (https://xiaoxing.us/2018/01/01/deploy-mailman-3-on-aws-using-docker/). By this point I knew enough to correct a number of places where the environment had changed since the procedure was written, but postorius still failed at the curl test. The challenge for me has been the difficulty to know how to troubleshoot the different different systems and network infrastructure that are used to keep mailman3 humming. I've tried about 7 different installation walkthroughs (there are no recent ones on Youtube by the way, in case anyone wants to seize that opportunity!), and the good guides provide ways to check each stage to try to help you a bit on that front. Nonetheless, I feel stuck and thought I'd ask the simple question... for a completely basic, barebones new installation, what's the easiest way to get a mailman3 installation up-and running? (e.g. Which server provider? Which operating system and version? Docker or otherwise?) Any pointers highly appreciated. Google Groups is clearly on its way out, as it no longer allows for people to easily join groups by sending an email or clicking a link, so that should be a big opportunity for mailman3 to step up and help give those mailing list migrants a new home... which is what we're looking for. We're just not quite as smart as you guys. ;-)

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Mailman 3 Installation
by bruce.dubbs＠gmail.com 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

I am trying to set up Mailman 3 on a new server. So far I have run: pip3 install Django==3.1.5 pip3 install postorius pip3 install Hyperkitty pip3 install mailman pip3 install uwsgi All that went well. I've been struggling with the configuration though. I am using /etc/mailman.cfg and that seems to be explained in the documentation OK. From there I am confused. I do have sqlite installed, but the documentation discusses mysql/mariadb and postresql. What are the considerations as to why I would need one of these other DBs? I think I can follow the instructions to set up postfix. In the section 'Configure Web Frontend', it discusses setting up the administrator. As I want to put Mailman on /srv/mailman I can create that, but what should the owner/permissions be? Later the docs discuss editing Django's settings.py. Where do I find that file? I'll note here that my experience with python is quite limited and my knowledge of Django is nil. Later in the section 'Set up HyperKitty', it sends me to a page that discusses installing it. I did that with pip3. Then it says to 'Setup your django project'. What django project is that. I would appreciate advice or a pointer to where I can figure this out. Thanks. -- Bruce

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New release candidates for Postorius and Hyperkitty
by Abhilash Raj 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

Hey Everyone, Happy new year to everyone! I am pleased to announce new release candidates for Postorius and Hyperkitty along with new releases for Mailmanclient and Django-mailman3! These include both new features and bug fixes. Complete change log for each components: Postorius 1.3.4rc1: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html Hyperkitty 1.3.4rc1 : https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html Mailmanclient 3.3.2.: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… Django-mailman3 1.3.5: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst These releases require Mailman Core 3.3.2 and Python 3.6+. Since these are pre-releases, you can install them using: $ pip install --pre --upgrade postorius hyperkitty Or you can also specify the exact versions: $ pip install --upgrade 'postorius==1.3.4rc1' 'hyperkitty==1.3.4rc1' Unless there is a release-blocker bug, stable versions for Postorius and Hyperkitty will be released in 2 weeks time. If you can test these releases, we encourage you to report any bugs to us on Gitlab. If you'd like to help out with translations for some of the new strings in your native language, the documentation is available here[1] on how to do that. [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/translation.html -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking) On behalf of GNU Mailman Team

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subscribing to any list is not possible
by r.woithe＠callassoftware.com 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

Hello, after i solved the qcluster error with a new installation i have still an error with subscribing. It is not possible to subscribe to any list via email or web-interface. The mass subcribtion as admin via the web-interface is possible and the unsubscribing also. But i can not get any error messages in any log file, nothing. Also the django users are fine, django users can subscribe without a problem. But subscribing to any list is not possible via the web-interface, with the error message "A Server Error occured please conntact the Administrator",also subscribing via email is not possible(mail.log is fine the mail is delivered), but there is no additionally error message in any log file. System: ubuntu 20.04.01 Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.5 (default, Jul 28 2020, 12:59:40) [GCC 9.3.0]

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Re: New release candidates for Postorius and Hyperkitty
by Abhilash Raj 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

+cc: mailman-usersmailman3.org for more visibility. On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Ruth Ivimey-Cook wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a recommended method for upgrading an existing, running, server > from Python 3.6 to 3.8, especially in such a way as to enable downgrade > if something breaks? It depends on how did you install Mailman. If you installed using virtualenv, you can create another virtualenv and install new versions, that use the same configuration and switch between new and old versions, > > [When I upgraded a server distribution without enough preparation, it > broke mailman3 because I lost python3.6, and getting it working again > needed a lot of work to reinstall it without zapping needed state.] > > Regards > > Ruth > > > On 16/01/2021 20:38, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > > > Happy new year to everyone! > > > > I am pleased to announce new release candidates for Postorius and Hyperkitty along with new releases for Mailmanclient and Django-mailman3! > > > > These include both new features and bug fixes. Complete change log for each components: > > > > Postorius 1.3.4rc1: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html > > Hyperkitty 1.3.4rc1 : https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html > > Mailmanclient 3.3.2.: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… > > Django-mailman3 1.3.5: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst > > > > These releases require Mailman Core 3.3.2 and Python 3.6+. > > > > Since these are pre-releases, you can install them using: > > > > $ pip install --pre --upgrade postorius hyperkitty > > > > Or you can also specify the exact versions: > > > > $ pip install --upgrade 'postorius==1.3.4rc1' 'hyperkitty==1.3.4rc1' > > > > Unless there is a release-blocker bug, stable versions for Postorius and Hyperkitty will be released in 2 weeks time. If you can test these releases, we encourage you to report any bugs to us on Gitlab. > > > > If you'd like to help out with translations for some of the new strings in your native language, the documentation is available here[1] on how to do that. > > > > [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/translation.html > > > -- > Software Manager & Engineer > Tel: 01223 414180 > Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog > LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/ > > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Subscription request cannot be moderated: 404 Not Found
by Eric Broens 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

For one of our mailinglists we also have a problem with accepting a subscription request. When Clicking "Accept", we get a 404 Not found error. See the attached screenshot. Is there a way to solve this? Best Regards,Eric

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Mailman 'requests' API call timeout when there are a number of pending members
by Alan So 15 Jan '21

15 Jan '21

We are currently testing latest mailman suite and notice that the requests API call will timeout if there are a number of pending requests. Since the latest Postorious allow unchecking Pre confirm and Pre approved during mass subscribe, our support staff tried to add large number of email addresses to the list. We then found that we cannot click into the list from the web UI to administer it and an error message showing that "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." Further checked that the requests API call failed to complete when we click the list on the web interface. Looks like the UI should not try to load all the pending members just for the sake of showing the number of pending requests. Of course in normal situations, there should not be that many pending requests.

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Re: Mails for 1 specific mailinglist not being send and looping in out queue
by Eric Broens 14 Jan '21

14 Jan '21

In my mailclient it looks like the LF's have been removed. I'll attach the log extracts to make them better readable. Best Regards, Eric On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 02:17:18 PM GMT+1, Eric Broens <ebroens(a)yahoo.com> wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Eric Broens via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021, 02:14:42 PM GMT+1Subject: [MM3-users] Mails for 1 specific mailinglist not being send and looping in out queue For some reason, the mail for 1 specific mailinglist doesn't get distributed. It worked fine before, and no changes have been made.The mailman3 debug log shows that mailman keeps attempting to distribute the mail. The mailman3 error log show that there is a connection failure to port 25. A tcpdump however shows that there are *NO* further connection attempts on port 25 (postfix) to distribute this mail. Also after stopping and starting mailman3 again, no further connection attempts to the mailserver (postfix) are being made for this mail. Using qfile, the pck file of this mail looks fine. New emails on this specific mailinglist are not distributed either. For all other mailinglists on this server, and which are on the same domain, there are no problems. Does anyone know how to get this mailinglist functioning properly again, and what is causing this issue? Below are the relevant extracts from the log files for the particular case. mailman smtp.log: Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 51752)Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) handling connectionJan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'LHLO ****'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<****@****>'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) sender: *****@*****Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'RCPT TO:<*****@*****>'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) recip: ******@********Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'DATA'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'QUIT'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) connection lost... Message has been archived properly, mailmansuite.logINFO 2021-01-09 12:01:00,277 1164814 hyperkitty.views.mailman Archived message <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> to *** mailman error.logJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) Cannot connect to SMTP server 127.0.0.1 on port 25 mailman debug.log Jan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: validate-authenticityJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: mime-deleteJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: taggerJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: member-recipientsJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: avoid-duplicatesJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanseJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanse-dkimJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cook-headersJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: subject-prefixJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: rfc-2369Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-archiveJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-digestJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-usenetJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: after-deliveryJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: acknowledgeJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: dmarcJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: arc-signJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-outgoingJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] finishing filebase: 1610190058.1544778+e952a743e8df115e8fff9c60f98b189d4800e7e6Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] doing periodicJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] committing transactionJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] checking short circuitJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 1Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571674) [VirginRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571674) [VirginRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571669) [NNTPRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571669) [NNTPRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571675) [DigestRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571675) [DigestRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1610190059.1591551+dcfcb22d5156b0a4d4267eabf83c5bb68f945e41Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] processing filebase: 1610190059.1079752+2644b9a3eab17d52203a2c2648a1db5ff146eb6dJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571666) [CommandRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571666) [CommandRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] finishing filebase: 1610190059.1591551+dcfcb22d5156b0a4d4267eabf83c5bb68f945e41Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] doing periodicJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] committing transactionJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] checking short circuitJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] ending oneloop: 1Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1610190060.1351898+91420b755194277d1236a36b6e2195eff547c8b0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>......Jan 09 14:06:30 2021 (1601275) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f038df80ea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>... Thanks in advance,Eric _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

2 3

Header Filter madness
by Brian Carpenter 14 Jan '21

14 Jan '21

I have a client whose header filters seemed to have stop working. No matter what I try, it seems none of their header filters are being applied. Other lists on the same server that use header filters, are working fine. This particular header is the subject header. I can duplicate their problem but only with their list. If I create the exact same header on a test list using the exact same subject line, the header filter does its job (moderate). Just not with this one list. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

2 7

The future is here?
by ieso＠johnwillson.com 09 Jan '21

09 Jan '21

In my quest to figure out how even us idiots can successfully install a mailman3 server, I keep looking ways to reduce the process to the simplest possible set of instructions. So far, I haven't been doing very well with that, but I've been learning a ton. In particular, while I still haven't got a fully functioning mailman3 server yet, someone pointed me, off list, to Ansible, which I wasn't aware of before and which has completely blown me away by its power and simplicity. For those who aren't aware of it, it's an agentless, multi-platform automation technology. For our purposes, it replaces "how to install mailman3" guides with a single script that aims to actually do the entire thing for you. One of the particularly interesting points is that you can write complex scripts/data structures (or 'collections') that allow for a single collection to cover a broad range of use cases, such as [this person's](https://github.com/rivimey/) exim Ansible collection, which covers 3 very different use cases from a private domain email relay up to a full multi-domain email handler with IMAP integration. I haven't quite got the mailman3 one working yet, but I've just started playing with it. Here are some pointers in case anyone else is interested in trying, and I'd be very interested in whether or not I'm actually the last person to discover this technology, and if one of these solutions succeeds in delivering mailman3 "out of the box". 1. [Install Ainsible](https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/installation_guide/intro_…, make sure you're on at least version 2.9, if not 2.10. Some distributions are still on 2.7, which is not compatible with more recent collections. The "Galaxy" collection is apparently only tested on Debian 10. 2. Pick your mailman3 Ansible collection of choice and install it (https://galaxy.ansible.com/ucr/mailman3, or https://github.com/rivimey/ansible-mailman3) Command to install official collection - ansible-galaxy install ucr.mailman3 3. Write playbook.yml with key variables (mailman3 example below) _________________________ mailman3-playbook.yml _________________________ - hosts: mailman3 vars: mailman3_domain: example.com # It will install and create a certificate using certbot, its nignx plugin and http validation (Public IP required). If false, it will install a self sign cert mailman3_install_certbot: true # install and create certificate # secrets, please change them mailman3_secret_key: "change_secretkey" mailman3_rest_api_pass: "change_api_pass" mailman3_archiver_key: "change_archiver_key" mailman3_db_pass: "change_db_pass" mailman3_web_db_pass: "change_web_db_pass" mailman3_web_admin_pass: "change_web_admin_pass" roles: - ucr.mailman3

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Mails for 1 specific mailinglist not being send and looping in out queue
by Eric Broens 09 Jan '21

09 Jan '21

For some reason, the mail for 1 specific mailinglist doesn't get distributed. It worked fine before, and no changes have been made.The mailman3 debug log shows that mailman keeps attempting to distribute the mail.The mailman3 error log show that there is a connection failure to port 25.A tcpdump however shows that there are *NO* further connection attempts on port 25 (postfix) to distribute this mail.Also after stopping and starting mailman3 again, no further connection attempts to the mailserver (postfix) are being made for this mail.Using qfile, the pck file of this mail looks fine. New emails on this specific mailinglist are not distributed either.For all other mailinglists on this server, and which are on the same domain, there are no problems. Does anyone know how to get this mailinglist functioning properly again, and what is causing this issue?Below are the relevant extracts from the log files for the particular case. mailman smtp.log: Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 51752)Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) handling connectionJan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'LHLO ****'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<****@****>'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) sender: *****@*****Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'RCPT TO:<*****@*****>'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) recip: ******@********Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'DATA'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) Data: b'QUIT'Jan 09 12:00:57 2021 (1571668) ('127.0.0.1', 51752) connection lost... Message has been archived properly, mailmansuite.logINFO 2021-01-09 12:01:00,277 1164814 hyperkitty.views.mailman Archived message <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> to *** mailman error.logJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) Cannot connect to SMTP server 127.0.0.1 on port 25 mailman debug.log Jan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: validate-authenticityJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: mime-deleteJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: taggerJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: member-recipientsJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: avoid-duplicatesJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanseJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanse-dkimJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cook-headersJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: subject-prefixJan 09 12:00:58 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: rfc-2369Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-archiveJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-digestJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-usenetJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: after-deliveryJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: acknowledgeJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: dmarcJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: arc-signJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-outgoingJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] finishing filebase: 1610190058.1544778+e952a743e8df115e8fff9c60f98b189d4800e7e6Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] doing periodicJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] committing transactionJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] checking short circuitJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 1Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571671) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571674) [VirginRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571674) [VirginRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571669) [NNTPRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571669) [NNTPRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571675) [DigestRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:00:59 2021 (1571675) [DigestRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1610190059.1591551+dcfcb22d5156b0a4d4267eabf83c5bb68f945e41Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] processing filebase: 1610190059.1079752+2644b9a3eab17d52203a2c2648a1db5ff146eb6dJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571664) [ArchiveRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571666) [CommandRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571666) [CommandRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] finishing filebase: 1610190059.1591551+dcfcb22d5156b0a4d4267eabf83c5bb68f945e41Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] doing periodicJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] committing transactionJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] checking short circuitJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] ending oneloop: 1Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1610190060.1351898+91420b755194277d1236a36b6e2195eff547c8b0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefileJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloopJan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571667) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 0Jan 09 12:01:00 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:41 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>...Jan 09 12:16:42 2021 (1571670) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f612989dea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>......Jan 09 14:06:30 2021 (1601275) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f038df80ea0>: <91B190F7-EEA3-4FA7-9808-2C35774E665A(a)gmail.com>... Thanks in advance,Eric

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export and import database?
by Andreas Barth 04 Jan '21

04 Jan '21

Hi, is there an recommended way to export and import all of the configuration in the database (so that I could change the database on import, i.e. not on database level)? Regards, Andi

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required cron entries?
by Andreas Barth 02 Jan '21

02 Jan '21

Hi together, as I found some mails in queue/shunt, I thought who should be running them. On my (standard debian) reference system, there are no cron entries for mailman3 but only for mailman3-web. Looking in the source code, there is a ./cron/crontab.in.in however references to scripts in port_me/ directory. Should I (still) install (parts of) the crontab? Or are these functions handled elsewhere? Also, who picks up mails in queue/shunt? Or are they lost somehow? (Or did I miss the documentation somewhere?) Regards, Andi

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Syncing Real Name between user account and membership
by Andreas Barth 31 Dec '20

31 Dec '20

Hi together, a user was mass-subscribed (with a wrong name) and now registered and changed his name via the web interface but the list entry is not changed. On looking further at that, I got to the following json outputs: curl -urest:pass http://localhost:8001/3.0/addresses/user@example.com/user { "created_on": "2020-11-26T15:43:24.928285", "is_server_owner": false, "self_link": "http://localhost:8001/3.0/users/123456", "user_id": 123456 "display_name": "Fixed Name", } curl -urest:pass http://localhost:8001/3.0/addresses/user@example.com { "email": "user(a)example.com", "original_email": "user(a)example.com" "registered_on": "2020-11-26T15:43:24.896405", "self_link": "http://localhost:8001/3.0/addresses/user@example.com", "display_name": "Broken Name", "verified_on": "2020-11-26T15:43:24.965784", "user": "http://localhost:8001/3.0/users/123456" } Should the fix of the name propagate? Or what would be the appropriate action here? Regards, Andi

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Upgrade to 3.3.2 fails
by Joel Lord 28 Dec '20

28 Dec '20

I've just upgraded python to 3.7, so now I can upgrade mailman from 3.3.1 to 3.3.2. Take it down, "pip install --upgrade mailman", and try a "mailman info". It fails hard, and what I think are the important parts of the stack trace are: sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (pymysql.err.OperationalError) (1118, 'Row size too large. The maximum row size for the used table type, not counting BLOBs, is 8126. This includes storage overhead, check the manual. You have to change some columns to TEXT or BLOBs') [SQL: ALTER TABLE mailinglist ADD COLUMN archive_rendering_mode INTEGER] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/13/e3q8) Looks to me like the mailinglist table has been using awfully close to the default mysql max row length, and this added column pushes me over? Is there some other fix other than a terrifyingly gigantic process of dumping all my databases, changing my page size, and restoring them all? This DB server isn't serving just mailman... Thanks -- Joel Lord

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WEB UI fail to reply and create new thread
by Milan P. Stanić 23 Dec '20

23 Dec '20

Hi, Alpine Linux is testing mailman3 as system for project mailing lists. We created docker-compose which can be seen here https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/infra/compose/mailman We installed it and run in testing system here https://lists-test.alpinelinux.org/hyperkitty/ Sending mail by mail clients works and mails are sent to subscribers properly. Most other 'things' works but we have problem with reply to posts and creating new threads using web ui. When replying to post with web ui it says that the everything is ok and post is sent but post doesn't arrive to mailing list. Same happens with creating new thread. Our debug says "KeyError: 'display_fixed'" but we are not sure what should be changed/fixed/set for this problem. Attached is excerpt from debug log. TIA, mps

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Docker Core Configuration "MUST" Documentation
by James Bowery 23 Dec '20

23 Dec '20

The docker core configuration README says: "These are the variables that you MUST change before deploying:" Does this mean: "The following variables MUST be set in /opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg (on the host) to match the values in docker-compose.yaml before deploying:" ?

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Re: Equivalent Apache2 Directives for Those From the Docker Nginx Documentation?
by James Bowery 22 Dec '20

22 Dec '20

Thanks. That configuration worked for me -- at least to the point that I got this in my apache error log, which means the proxy pass was working: [Sun Dec 20 22:45:02.548267 2020] [proxy:error] [pid 18049] (111)Connection refused: AH00957: uwsgi: attempt to connect to 172.19.199.3:8080 (172.19.199.3) failed [Sun Dec 20 22:45:02.548294 2020] [:error] [pid 18049] [client ....:59424] AH10101: failed to make connection to backend: 172.19.199.3:8080 On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:03 PM <matthew(a)alberti.us> wrote: > James, > This is what I put in my apache2 conf for the mailman virtual host: > > #Mailman3 Web Configuration > Alias /favicon.ico /opt/mailman/web/static/hyperkitty/img/favicon.ico > > Alias /static /opt/mailman/web/static > <Directory /opt/mailman/web/static> > Require all granted > </Directory> > > ProxyPassMatch ^/static ! > ProxyPassMatch ^/favicon.ico ! > ProxyPass / uwsgi://172.19.199.3:8080/ > > I don't believe I did anything to uwsgi's conf. One thing I did > notice is that the '/' on the end of the 'ProxyPass' command (last line) is > relevant. I think it didn't work right without it. > > I am interested to hear from others if that configuration is > complete. It works as far as I know. > > - Matt Alberti > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Bowery <jabowery(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:27 PM > To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > Subject: [MM3-users] Equivalent Apache2 Directives for Those From the > Docker > Nginx Documentation? > > The Docker documentation at: > > https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/#dependencies > > I've installed and enabled proxy_uwsgi for Apache and made a rough cut at a > configuration for the lists.* subdomain in question but it's failing. > > What follows are the document's Nginx directives for which I would greatly > appreciate the Apache2 equivalents. I'm attempting to move a mailing list > off of Yahoo groups onto my hosted server using an Apache2's virtual host > on > the 'lists' subdomain: > > Setting up your web server: > > # Nginx configuration. > > location / { > # First attempt to serve request as file, then > > proxy_pass http://172.19.199.3:8000; > include uwsgi_params; > uwsgi_read_timeout 300; > proxy_set_header Host $host; > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; > } > > uwsgi: > > # Nginx configuration. > > location / { > # First attempt to serve request as file, then > > uwsgi_pass 172.19.199.3:8080; > include uwsgi_params; > uwsgi_read_timeout 300; > } > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe > send > an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > >

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Message Sent to A Re-Created List Results In Error
by matthew＠alberti.us 17 Dec '20

17 Dec '20

I created a list in the Postorius interface, used it, and then deleted it. A week or so later, I re-created the list, and things were fine thru the creation and subscription process. But when I sent a message to the list, a "550 user unknown" error was sent back. I tried to determine if this is a known issue by searching the issues in Gitlab; but didn't find anything. But wanted to ask if this was a known issue or not? Thanks. - Matt Alberti

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moderator cannot login to the list
by Gregory Edigarov 17 Dec '20

17 Dec '20

Hello, I am using this mailman: GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.7.3 (default, Jul 25 2020, 13:03:44) I've imported some lists from mailman-2.1 using 'mailman import21' command. the import went fine, I am able to login into postorius as admin, and see all imported mail list data. but login as a moderator member of a list. I tried to reset moderator password via rest api. That doesn't help. how is that supposed to be done? thank you. -- With best regards, Gregory Edigarov

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Mailman automatic accept notification
by tambet.paide＠mkm.ee 16 Dec '20

16 Dec '20

How can I configure mailman so that all the users in mailing list won't get automatic accept notification (uncaught bounce notification)? I'n mailman configure I cant find nothing about disabling bounce message. I'm using Mailman 3 and cat figure it out

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Handling of (un)subscribe mails for already (un)subscribed users
by Andreas Barth 15 Dec '20

15 Dec '20

Hi, I noticed that a mail to -subscribe for an already subscribed user doesn't get any response (about line 225 in mailman/src/mailman/app/subscriptions.py). Same but different for unsubscribe for users not on the list. I'd need these kind of mails however in hope that users complain less. Would that be generally interessting, and if so, any special requirements for submitting patches, or should I just do that locally? Regards, Andi

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