January 2023 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

mail for lists.ccalternatives.org loops back to myself, then Recipient address rejected
by Christian Stalberg March 8, 2023

March 8, 2023

Environment: Debian 10; Postfix 3.4.14; GNU Mailman 3.3.5; Mailman Core API Version 3.1; Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3 Digging a hole after having simply created a new mailing list. This has not happened before. Steps taken: -Created list via web interface -Added subscribers via web interface -Sent email to listname -Received error bounce: This is the mail system at host zarathustra.ccalternatives.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: mail for lists.ccalternatives.org loops back to myself -Added lists.ccalternatives.org to the mydestination line in /etc/postfix/main.cf and restarted Postfix -Now a new error message: <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: host lists.ccalternatives.org[192.46.218.224] said: 550 5.1.1 <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table (in reply to RCPT TO command)

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Multi-domain oddities in Hyperkitty and Postorius
by Jeremy Stanley Feb. 16, 2023

Feb. 16, 2023

In the OpenDev Collaboratory we've got a bunch of separate Mailman 2.1 vhosts we've started migrating into a single Mailman 3.3.7 server, desiring to take full advantage of its improved multi-domain support. For the most part everything is working great (kudos to everyone who maintains the software and documentation, it's excellent). One of the things our users noticed fairly quickly was Hyperkitty on the second vhost was incorrectly showing the FQDN of the first vhost near the top of its pages. This is covered in the FAQ of course, and seems to imply that what we want is to switch the SITE_ID from 1 to 0 in our settings.py in order to take advantage of magic domain-guessing behavior. So far so good. Unfortunately, SITE_ID = 0 seems to explicitly require the addition of "mail hosts" (or "mail domains" from Django's perspective), and all the web routing returns error pages for any list sites besides the first one since, by default, our server did not have these predefined. What's odd is that, if I log into Postorius as admin and visit the "manage domains" page, suddenly the database gets populated with mail hosts for all of the FQDNs associated with our imported mailing lists. I would not have expected merely visiting that page as an admin to have a side effect of adding entries for the "missing" mail hosts, is that an intentional behavior or merely a bug? Once these entries are automatically added by visiting that page, they're all associated with the one "web host" ("site" in Django) we have for the server, and now the list filtering functionality in Postorius breaks and any of the vhosts all display the full set of mailing lists on the server rather than only those associated with a particular vhost (note that this seems to only be confusing Postorius, Hyperkitty has them correctly filtered still). Okay, so it looks like this is because the mail hosts are all tied to the one web host. We can create additional "sites" in the Django admin UI and then switch the association of the mail hosts to those distinct web hosts. But after doing so, the first vhost still seems to show an unfiltered list of all lists in Postorius (Hyperkitty continues to be fine), while Postorius on the other vhosts correctly shows their filtered sets of lists instead. I also noticed when mailman-web is starting up, its log claims the first site is being set as the "default domain," so have to wonder if that's related to this behavior. Should we create an extra web host to serve as the "default" so that all our typical vhosts get the expected list filtering behavior, or am I completely off-base and there's a much better approach I've missed? Sorry this is so long, I feel like I have at most a tenuous grasp of the details and variables involved, but hopefully it makes sense to someone. Thanks in advance for any recommendations or guidance. -- Jeremy Stanley

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Improve logging?
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

Some entries in the log files can be very scary, while in actual sense they are harmless. Such inconsequential, but scary entiess can mess up the well-being of a SysAdmin. I humbly request for the logs related to posts by non-members to a MM3 list to be improved a little bit :-) Here is the example in mailman.log: <cut> Jan 31 10:03:54 2023 (92481) DISCARD: < 2a1c588a6ccd47abbf57ee5fc61c9946(a)phellineconsultancy.co.ke>; ['The message is not from a list member'] [31/Jan/2023:10:04:48 +0300] "GET /3.1/users/1bad08f703fe4bc0a829f4bdce10fc8f HTTP/1.1" 200 253 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [31/Jan/2023:10:04:48 +0300] "GET /3.1/users/1bad08f703fe4bc0a829f4bdce10fc8f/addresses HTTP/1.1" 200 473 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Jan 31 10:18:09 2023 (92343) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 476, in _step_send_confirmation raise StopIteration StopIteration </cut> Is there a possibility to change the logging engine to just *fold* the last 7 lines into "The message is not from a list member. It was discarded", or something close? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search
by Johannes Rohr Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

Hello everyone! below is a "permission denied" error I get when trying to perform a fulltext search. -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search Datum: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 10:30:14 -0000 Von: johannes(a)rohr.org An: johannes(a)rohr.org Internal Server Error: /archives/search PermissionError at /archives/search [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'fulltext_index' Request Method: GET Request URL: http://lists.*****.org/archives/search?mlist=pinnwand%40lists.*****&q=medit… Django Version: 4.1.5 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.10.6 Python Path: ['.', '', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python310.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.10', '/usr/lib/python3.10/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages'] Server time: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:30:14 +0100 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/search.py", line 88, in search emails = paginate( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 71, in paginate objects = paginator.page(page_num) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 75, in page number = self.validate_number(number) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 53, in validate_number if number > self.num_pages: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 57, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 102, in num_pages if self.count == 0 and not self.allow_empty_first_page: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 57, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 96, in count return c() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/query.py", line 527, in count return len(self) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/query.py", line 82, in __len__ self._result_count = self.query.get_count() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 658, in get_count self.run() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 593, in run results = self.backend.search(final_query, **search_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py", line 32, in wrapper return func(obj, query_string, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 412, in search self.setup() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 133, in setup os.makedirs(self.path) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/os.py", line 225, in makedirs mkdir(name, mode) Exception Type: PermissionError at /archives/search Exception Value: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'fulltext_index' Raised during: hyperkitty.views.search.search I don't understand what the cause for the "permission denied" could be. The directory "fulltext_index" is owned by mailman:mailman Does anyone have a hint? I did some googling for the error, but to no avail, unfortunately. Thanks! Johannes

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No option 'postmap_command' in section: 'postfix'
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

The documentation <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…> says that I need to create /path/to/postfix-mailman.cfg containing: [postfix] transport_file_type: regex Then append the path to the [mta] section of mailman.cfg, viz: [mta]incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTPoutgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliverlmtp_host: mail.example.comlmtp_port: 8024smtp_host: mail.example.comsmtp_port: 25configuration: /path/to/postfix-mailman.cfg That is exactly what I have done on my test platform, but I get the error below when creating a list. Perhaps I overlooked something? (venv) lists% mailman create mylist(a)lists.wash.lan Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/configparser.py", line 789, in get value = d[option] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/collections/__init__.py", line 941, in __getitem__ return self.__missing__(key) # support subclasses that define __missing__ File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/collections/__init__.py", line 933, in __missing__ raise KeyError(key) KeyError: 'postmap_command' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1657, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_lists.py", line 188, in create mlist = create_list(fqdn_listname, owners) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/lifecycle.py", line 102, in create_list call_name(config.mta.incoming).create(mlist) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 70, in call_name return named_callable(*args, **kws) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 87, in __init__ self.postmap_command = mta_config.get('postfix', 'postmap_command') File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/configparser.py", line 792, in get raise NoOptionError(option, section) configparser.NoOptionError: No option 'postmap_command' in section: 'postfix' -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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MM3 to MM3 migration
by David Newman Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

I’m looking to migrate several mailing lists from one server running MM3/Django/Hyperkitty to another. Same operating system and python environment and venvs for both. Although the canonical hostnames for the two servers will differ, I can use the same hostnames for lists once I’ve got everything set up. Is this really as simple as building the new server, creating the same lists on the new server, and rsync’ing the archives from the old server? If not, how to do the migration? I checked the archives and saw many threads on MM2 -> MM3, but did not see anything on MM3 migration. Thanks in advance. dn

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Must every Moderator/Admin be member of a list to be able to use Postorius?
by mm3-omf＠sh.werbittewas.de Jan. 31, 2023

Jan. 31, 2023

we're using debian/devuan with distribution-mailman3 and tried to add admin/mod for a list, but if logging in as this user, there's no item to manage the list at all. do we have to add this user as member of this list? (that wouldn't be nice, because the user doesn't want to get normal Mails from List, but only admin-Mails) regards omf

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Language switch
by Massimiliano Paragnani Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Hi, I can't set other languages in MM3 web. I did it https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… I tried to add language cose in settings_local.py and in mailman.cfg but nothing happens How can I do?

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New Installation of MM3 is not archiving
by Onyeibo Oku Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Greetings, I finally completed installation of Mailman 3 following the instructions here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… I got a lot of support from this mailing-list too and I am mighty grateful for that. My new MM3 instance does not seem to be archiving. List subscribers are currently sending and receiving mails on their subscribed lists. However, none of the correspondence is showing up at https://mailing-list-site.tld/archives/. That page shows a listing of the active mailing-lists with '0 participants' and '0 discussions'. Whereas, those lists contain mails. How do I troubleshoot this?

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About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification
by Onyeibo Oku Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Good Morning Everyone, I installed and managed mailman 2 for about two years. I am now ready to try Mailman 3. The documentation for version 2 was lucid and this forum was quite helpful in the past. Now I'd like to proceed with installating MM3 but I doubt my understanding of the docs. It seems to assume that users will know what to do. Okay, don't laugh! I just want to be sure what I am doing. Does the following sequence resemble the proper steps? 1. Download the source from a git repo (I understood that one) 2. Create a virtual environment (venv perhaps ... not stated explicitly) 3. activate the virtual environment 4. from the git project root, run: ./mailman start I know, its stupid. I had to ask. It would really build my confidence someone would confirm the above steps or counter then with something very explicit. What about process ownership? Do I need to have a unix mailman user? What else do I need to get mailman up and running before proceeding to configuration. Ahaa! I perused the config docs a bit. Where can I find the .cfg file? I hope these questions are not too annoying. Regards Onyeibo

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