July 2018 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

Find a smtp server to send out emails
by Leon March 12, 2025

March 12, 2025

Hi, This problem is not caused by mailman, but I still want to give it a shot here. I'm hosting a mailing list on top of mailman3. Emails are supposed to be sent out by AWS ses. However, ses requires that sender address must be verified, which leads to a problem that emails sent by subscribers to mailing list cannot be sent to other subcirbers, since their addresses are not verified. And it is impossible to verified every subscriber. Are there smtp service providers allowing unverified email address to send out emails, or do I have other solutions? Thanks. -- Best wishes, Leon

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Display the last post time for a list or all lists.
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 9, 2024

Aug. 9, 2024

Does Mailman 3 have something similar to https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/last_post.py displaying the last post time for a list or all lists?

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[MM3-users]Is it possible to grant all users the ability to Create List
by Carrie Knox July 13, 2021

July 13, 2021

Hello, Our company is evaluating mailman3 as an option for company internal list serving. One of the requirements is that anyone with access to the list server be allowed to create and manage lists. Is this possible? If so, how? Is there a "create list" role that can be added for all registered users? Thanks

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Mailman 3.2.0 Hyperkitty fulltext index error
by Marvin Gülker July 31, 2020

July 31, 2020

Hi, I've just upgraded to Mailman 3.2.0 (finally everything Python 3 now, thanks!) and it appears to work. However, there's a repeating error message in mailman-suite's logfile for Hyperkitty that looks like this: ERROR 2018-07-12 14:28:33,895 2742 hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index: ord() expected a character, but string of length 0 found Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 179, in run_with_lock fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 115, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 276, in update_backend last_max_pk=max_pk) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 97, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 178, in update self.setup() File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 126, in setup self.index = self.storage.open_index(schema=self.schema) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/filedb/filestore.py", line 176, in open_index return indexclass(self, schema=schema, indexname=indexname) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 421, in __init__ TOC.read(self.storage, self.indexname, schema=self._schema) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 632, in read check_size("int", _INT_SIZE) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 626, in check_size sz = stream.read_varint() File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/filedb/structfile.py", line 191, in read_varint return read_varint(self.read) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/util/varints.py", line 102, in read_varint b = ord(readfn(1)) TypeError: ord() expected a character, but string of length 0 found The error repeats every minute, so I suppose it comes from the minutely cronjob. This cronjob looks like this: * * * * * mailman bash -c 'cd /home/mailman && . /home/mailman/env3/bin/activate && django-admin runjobs minutely --pythonpath /home/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settings' What's wrong here? Marvin -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F

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Default values for new lists
by Sten Aus Jan. 11, 2020

Jan. 11, 2020

Hi I haven't found out where I could choose or edit default list values (when creating new list). For example I would like that all new lists would be with *private archive* (and change this when it is needed). This is great that I can choose not to advertise list in Index (which I can choose from list creation interface) but I would like to choose other options too. Right now only solution is to create list and then choose Archiving and then select "private archives". Another thing is that I would like to choose default subscription policy to "Moderate". If anyone has encountered this problem, let me know! All the best Sten

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MM3 shunting mails
by Anders Nilsson Jan. 3, 2020

Jan. 3, 2020

I'm running a Mailman 3.1.0 installation on a CentOS 7 machine. Using RPMs from https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/abompard/hyperkitty/el-7/x86_64/ I do have problems with some lists occasionally going into some kind of shunt mode, where alla mails sent to them gets shunted. In the Mailman log I get entries for each shunted email: Mar 17 11:54:11 2017 (6217) Uncaught runner exception: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() Mar 17 11:54:11 2017 (6217) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 53, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/handlers/rfc_2369.py", line 121, in process process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/handlers/rfc_2369.py", line 70, in process archiver_set = IListArchiverSet(mlist) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/zope/component/hookable.py", line 33, in __call__ return self.__implementation(*args, **kw) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 156, in adapter_hook return sitemanager.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/zope/interface/registry.py", line 348, in queryAdapter return self.adapters.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 607, in __init__ ListArchiver.name == archiver_name).one_or_none() File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2733, in one_or_none "Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()") sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() Mar 17 11:54:11 2017 (6217) SHUNTING: 1489748051.1949184+7a59df19c81493cb419306d620376efc0e381819 And so far my Google-fu hasn't been good enough to give me any useful answers to why this happens. If I dump one of the pickles using qfile I cannot see any complaints. Most of the times, if I remove and recreate a failing list and run unshunt the shunted emails get processed and sent. Anyone seen something similar? Regards, Anders Nilsson -- Anders Nilsson, Ph.D. <andersn(a)control.lth.se> Dep. of Automatic Control, Lund University Phone: +46 (0)46 222 87 94, Fax: +46 (0)46 13 81 18 Mob: +46 (0)703 22 57 67

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bounces with empty message-id
by Peter Münster Dec. 12, 2019

Dec. 12, 2019

Hi, It seems, that mailman bounces the bounces, so that the list-owner never sees them: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- postfix/smtpd[12002]: connect from out04.smtpout.orange.fr[193.252.22.213] postfix/smtpd[12002]: 879D6F12E8: client=out04.smtpout.orange.fr[193.252.22.213] postfix/cleanup[11841]: 879D6F12E8: message-id=<> postfix/qmgr[10092]: 879D6F12E8: from=<>, size=4048, nrcpt=1 (queue active) postfix/smtpd[12002]: disconnect from out04.smtpout.orange.fr[193.252.22.213] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 postfix/lmtp[11846]: 879D6F12E8: to=<test-bounces(a)my-domain.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.05, delays=0.04/0/0/0.01, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 550 No Message-ID header provided (in reply to end of DATA command)) postfix/qmgr[10092]: 879D6F12E8: removed --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- What could I do please, to get the bounces? I would like to use VERP to identify wrong addresses... TIA for any hints, -- Peter

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confirm mail rejected
by Marc Sluiter Sept. 29, 2019

Sept. 29, 2019

Hi, im trying to setup mailman and have an issue: first my environment: - I’m running postfix etc with "mailcow-dockerized": https://mailcow.github.io/mailcow-dockerized-docs/ - I’m running mailman with "docker-mailman": https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ I got almost everything working (with some configuration modifications, see other mail). The only thing which doesn’t work is conformation mails, they are rejected: In the logs I see that postfix is trying both "liste-confirm+extension@domain" and "liste-confirm@domain" for another lookup map of type mysql (so "recipient_delimiter" is working), but not for the mailman map of type regexp. Just a wild guess, I didn't find anything about it: can it be that “recipient_delimiter" doesn't work for “regexp" maps? For now I worked around this issue by manually modifying the confirm regex in "postfix_lmtp” to /^liste-confirm\+.*(a)domain\.tld$/ Does anyone have an idea why the regexp map isn’t working for me and at least 1 other user (see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/401)? Would my workaround be a long term solution which could be implemented in mailman? That would mean that mailman could work independent of the “recipient_delimiter” setting (or do I oversee something?) Thanks and greetings, Marc

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Mailman 3 Installation Assistance
by brian＠emwd.com July 26, 2019

July 26, 2019

I am making a serious attempt at installing Mailman 3 using docker. I have a CentOS 7 server setup via Linode. I am using the following documentation to setup a Mailman 3 server: https://xiaoxing.us/2018/01/02/Deploy-Mailman-3-on-AWS-using-Docker/ I have Docker, Postfix, and Nginx installed and working fine. The installation of the Mailman 3 container went fine. However I am getting the following error when I go to test Posterius via shell: curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/ curl: (7) Failed connect to 172.19.199.3:8000; Connection refused I assume this has something to do with uwsgi which I have no experience with. Appreciate any assistance with getting Mailman 3 up and running. Thanks! Brian Carpenter

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Flushing/syncing hyperkitty with mailman
by Eric Abrahamsen June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

I've got mailman running on Ubuntu 14.04, with systemd service files to govern the mailman and hyperkitty qcluster processes. I notice in the systemctl status call for the qcluster command that there are a bunch of errors like: [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:2 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:3 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:4 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. Is there something more I should be doing to sync hyperkitty's database with mailman? I've got the crontab file in place, and that appears to be running without error. Anything else? Thanks, Eric

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GDPR - save subscriptions confirmation emails
by contact＠maadix.net May 1, 2019

May 1, 2019

Hi, I am new in the list. I have been looking for this topic in the archives in order to avoid duplicate, but I could not find any thread. According to the new GDPR rules, lists owners need to have a confirmation from subscribers, and this is easy to do with Mailman 3. What I can't figure out is how to save all the confirmation emails received from users. I only see the confirmations commands emails in the logs, Is there another place/way to store them? For GDPR compliance it is important to be able to demonstrate that you received the confirmation, in case you may need it in the future. Bests Maddish -- *MaadiX* Tu nube en tus manos https://maadix.net https://twitter.com/MaadiXnet

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Auth question
by David Krantz Jan. 8, 2019

Jan. 8, 2019

Hi, I have of course activated password login as it was not possible to get the provider based logins to work (might be but not worth the time for me right now). Is there any way for an user to request a new password when it is forgotten? I presume that the Persona login is removed now. I cannot hide it in my version or at least I do not know how. cheers // David

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How to get Mailman core to provide more debug info in a running environment
by Henrik Rasmussen Jan. 3, 2019

Jan. 3, 2019

Docker-mailman 0.1.1 I am using Mailman 3.1 in production and I am trying to debug a problem[1] so I tried to setting Mailman to provide more debug info in the smtp.log file[2]. I might have been doing it wrong, but in the mailman-extra.cfg I set [logging.smtp-failure] path: smtp.log and restarted Mailman, which stopped incoming mails until removing the added section. What is the correct way to get Mailman to provide more debug info in the smtp.log 1) https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… 2) http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/config/docs/config.html… Henrik Rasmussen

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Templates
by David Krantz Dec. 19, 2018

Dec. 19, 2018

Hi. How do I set a template for one specific list? I want one list to have a special footer template. I have tried updating the database (template table) without effect so apparently the database is not used for templates or some kind of fallback is used to set it to the generic footer. Of course I also tried to restart mailman after that operation to try to rule out any caching-related problem. I want to use a file://-path as that is the least painful way of doing it. I also would like a solution to place a file in a special location. My current templates are in a .../var/templates/site/en/ structure with names like list:member:generic:footer.txt Cheers // David

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Whitelist non subscriber
by Mark Ziranski Aug. 27, 2018

Aug. 27, 2018

Hello, I want to whitelist an email address on all lists to bypass moderation. The email address is not a subscriber. On google I found accept_these_nonmembers but I do not know how to use it. Please show me some examples how to whitelist someone(a)example.org. Thanks in advance. M.Z.

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Re: Mailman 3 Keeps Forgettings Imported Lists
by Ryan McClung July 31, 2018

July 31, 2018

I do see the output of the script and it shows the mailing lists being created. If you put "${VARIABLE}"@domain.com it outputs correctly. Also, to that end, the output of lists changes depending on which directory I am in which makes 0 sense. On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:27 PM Ryan McClung <rmcclung(a)afilias.info> wrote: > I do see the output of the script and it shows the mailing lists being > created. If you put "${VARIABLE}"@domain.com it outputs correctly. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:22 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 07/31/2018 07:04 AM, Ryan McClung wrote: >> > Scratch that. Ran with the corrected script and getting the following: >> > [root@mailman3(stg) archives]# mailman lists >> > No matching mailing lists found >> > >> > Any thoughts? >> >> This >> >> > for DIR in $DIRS; do mailman create "${DIR}"; mailman import21 "${DIR}"@ >> afilias.info "${DIR}"/config.pck; >> >> is still wrong. The list name for mailman create needs to be fully >> qualified as in >> >> > for DIR in $DIRS; do mailman create ${DIR}(a)afilias.info; mailman >> import21 ${DIR}(a)afilias.info ${DIR}/config.pck; >> >> (Do you look at the output from your script?) >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > > > -- > > Ryan McClung > Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada > A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> > W. www.afilias.info > T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186 > -- Ryan McClung Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> W. www.afilias.info T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186

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Mailman 3 Keeps Forgettings Imported Lists
by Ryan McClung July 31, 2018

July 31, 2018

GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.6.5 (default, Apr 10 2018, 17:08:37) [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-16)] config file: /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////opt/mailman/var/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ Shortly after I run an import on a bunch of lists they all disappear. [root@mailman3(stg) mailman]# mailman lists No matching mailing lists found I have 30+ lists. Any thoughts? -- Ryan McClung Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> W. www.afilias.info T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186

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mailman command to remove members
by Asaf Ohayon July 31, 2018

July 31, 2018

Is there command like mailman members --add, to mass-remove members from a list ? Thanks

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Autorespond postings: does not seem to work on 3.2?
by Asaf Ohayon July 29, 2018

July 29, 2018

Hello Maybe I'm not understanding the meaning of this setting correctly, When I set this, I don't see any extra emails going out when I'm posting to the list Thanks

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MM3 installation recommendation: Docker or individual components?
by Tom Browder July 28, 2018

July 28, 2018

I want to install MM3 on a virgin host running Debian 9. I want to minimize problems as bugs are fixed and necessary upgrades are published. I will use PostgreSQL, nginx, and Postfix, and am reasonably competent runnng my own remote server (full control, hard iron server, not virtual). The host will only serve mail to the public and nothing else (no websites, no other users). I did run a successful MM2 site (thanks to Mark’s copious and gracious help!) for a couple of years from 2011 to 2013, so I’m no stranger to some of the MM3 jargon. I have been running Apache 2.4+ with 10+ virtual https websites since 2010. I use Letsencrypt certificates for all of them. I have no experience with Docker, Django, or nginx. Should I choose the Docker method or individual compnent installation? I realize this is an open ended and very subjective request, but I would appreciate any advice. Best regards, -Tom

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Container Images for Mailman 3.2 release
by Abhilash Raj July 27, 2018

July 27, 2018

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018, at 1:16 PM, Kamran Soomro wrote: > Hi Abhilash, > > This is great. Thank you very much. Might I make a small suggestion? I > think it might be less confusing to use tags for your images that > conform to the mailman release. E.g. 3.2 should contain mailman 3.2, 3.3 > should contain mailman 3.3 etc. At the moment it’s hard to tell which > image contains which release. Sounds like a good idea! I will push 3.2 tags as soon as I can! > > Just my two cents. > > –Kamran > > > On 27 Jul 2018, at 21:08, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have updated and pushed releases for Container Images with 3.2 release of the suite. > > > > They are available at: > > > > docker.io/maxking/mailman-web:0.2 > > docker.io/maxking/mailman-core:0.2 > > > > A similar copy of both is also available at quay: > > > > quay.io/maxking/mailman-web:0.2 > > quay.io/maxking/mailman-core:0.2 > > > > The releases contain the following versions of components: > > > > mailman-core: > > - Mailman Core 3.2.0 > > - Mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 > > > > mailman-web: > > - Postorius 1.2.1 > > - Hyperkitty 1.2.0 > > - Django-mailman3 1.2.0 > > - MailmanClient 3.2.0 > > > > The upgrade process from 0.1 release should be relative painless, except for the full-text index, which needs to be rebuilt due to the migration from Python 2 to 3 of the full-text indexing library whoosh. You can run the following commands to do so, after the upgrade: > > > > $ docker exec -it mailman-web bash > > bash # python manage.py rebuild_index > > > > If you are not using the default docker-compose.yaml file provided in the repo, you need to add an extra environment variable for mailman-web container, POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL, which defaults to `http://mailman-web:8000`. It should be the URL where your mailman-web container is listening on with HTTP (port 8000 by default). > > > > The rolling releases are not being rolled out right everyday now, because of broken build scripts. I'd recommend everyone use the new stable releases that I mentioned above. Going forward, I'll try to release stable versions more often, so that there isn't any need for rolling version, but fixing the rolling releases is on my TODO. > > > > Documentation for these images is available at: > > > > https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman > > > > -- > > thanks, > > Abhilash Raj (maxking) > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers(a)python.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-leave(a)python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mm3/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ > > Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > > > > Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Container Images for Mailman 3.2 release
by Abhilash Raj July 27, 2018

July 27, 2018

Hi All, I have updated and pushed releases for Container Images with 3.2 release of the suite. They are available at: docker.io/maxking/mailman-web:0.2 docker.io/maxking/mailman-core:0.2 A similar copy of both is also available at quay: quay.io/maxking/mailman-web:0.2 quay.io/maxking/mailman-core:0.2 The releases contain the following versions of components: mailman-core: - Mailman Core 3.2.0 - Mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 mailman-web: - Postorius 1.2.1 - Hyperkitty 1.2.0 - Django-mailman3 1.2.0 - MailmanClient 3.2.0 The upgrade process from 0.1 release should be relative painless, except for the full-text index, which needs to be rebuilt due to the migration from Python 2 to 3 of the full-text indexing library whoosh. You can run the following commands to do so, after the upgrade: $ docker exec -it mailman-web bash bash # python manage.py rebuild_index If you are not using the default docker-compose.yaml file provided in the repo, you need to add an extra environment variable for mailman-web container, POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL, which defaults to `http://mailman-web:8000`. It should be the URL where your mailman-web container is listening on with HTTP (port 8000 by default). The rolling releases are not being rolled out right everyday now, because of broken build scripts. I'd recommend everyone use the new stable releases that I mentioned above. Going forward, I'll try to release stable versions more often, so that there isn't any need for rolling version, but fixing the rolling releases is on my TODO. Documentation for these images is available at: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Double footer
by Asaf Ohayon July 23, 2018

July 23, 2018

Hello Upon a clean installation of Mailman 3.2.0a1, Without any additional configuration, nor custom footers, When accepting message from the list on Gmail client for example, The footer shows twice, also in the message source I see two identical footer parts, accept for the message barrier: --===============4363779446011731395== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Info mailing list -- info(a)mailman.sysbind.biz To unsubscribe send an email to info-leave(a)mailman.sysbind.biz --===============4363779446011731395== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Info mailing list -- info(a)mailman.sysbind.biz To unsubscribe send an email to info-leave(a)mailman.sysbind.biz --===============4363779446011731395==--

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Migrating from SQLite to PostgreSQL
by Joe Steeve July 20, 2018

July 20, 2018

Hello All, I have an installation on SQLite. I want to migrate it to PostgreSQL. Is that feasible? Any gotchas I need to watch for? -- Joe Steeve HiPro IT Solutions Private Limited http://www.hipro.co.in/

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Creating a new list using REST from the host
by Henrik Rasmussen July 18, 2018

July 18, 2018

I am using Docker-mailman (GNU Mailman 3.2.0a1), but from the host I am trying to create a list using the REST API in the (yet, no offense) lack of a template for new list configurations. I get a nice dictionary when getting data out of Mailman, but using this exact dictionary (for debug) as payload to Mailman (my mmapiwrite), and with reference to https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/lists.html#c…, I get a response "A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator.". I don't understand the dump_json and I find the docs above hard to follow. How should I create the list using REST? <code> restapiversion = '3.1' def getlistdefaultsx(): # Exact output from Mailman, see below. listdefaultsx = { 'acceptable_aliases': [], 'admin_immed_notify': True, 'admin_notify_mchanges': False, 'administrivia': True, [SNIP] 'subscription_policy': 'confirm_then_moderate', 'volume': 1} return(listdefaultsx) def get_all_list_names(): all_list_fqdn = [] response = mmapi('lists?count=10&page=1') output = response.json() for entry in output.get('entries'): all_list_fqdn.append(entry.get('fqdn_listname')) return(all_list_fqdn) def addlist(): list_setup = getlistdefaultsx() go_create_list('abc', list_setup) def go_create_list(list_name_fqdn, list_setup): #pprint(list_setup) print('Creating list %s ...' % list_name_fqdn) response = mmapiwrite('lists', list_setup) def mmapi(apicommand): response = requests.get('http://172.19.199.2:8001/%s/%s' % (restapiversion, apicommand), auth=('restadmin', 'restpass')) def mmapiwrite(apicommand,payload): response = requests.post('http://172.19.199.2:8001/%s/%s' % (restapiversion, apicommand), data=payload, auth=('restadmin', 'restpass')) getlistdefaultsx is an actual dictionary with real output from Mailman using my mmapi from an existing test list (though domain names are masked. Of course I can't create an existing list, but when changing the list name I get the same error message. {'acceptable_aliases': [], 'admin_immed_notify': True, 'admin_notify_mchanges': False, 'administrivia': True, 'advertised': True, 'allow_list_posts': True, 'anonymous_list': False, 'archive_policy': 'never', 'autorespond_owner': 'none', 'autorespond_postings': 'none', 'autorespond_requests': 'none', 'autoresponse_grace_period': '90d', 'autoresponse_owner_text': '', 'autoresponse_postings_text': '', 'autoresponse_request_text': '', 'bounces_address': 'hertest2-bounces(a)example.ku.dk', 'collapse_alternatives': True, 'convert_html_to_plaintext': False, 'created_at': '2018-03-19T14:19:49.018252', 'default_member_action': 'defer', 'default_nonmember_action': 'hold', 'description': 'Test-domæne for Mailman 3-testlister', 'digest_last_sent_at': None, 'digest_send_periodic': True, 'digest_size_threshold': 30.0, 'digest_volume_frequency': 'monthly', 'digests_enabled': True, 'display_name': 'Hertest2', 'dmarc_mitigate_action': 'no_mitigation', 'dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally': False, 'dmarc_moderation_notice': '', 'dmarc_wrapped_message_text': '', 'filter_content': False, 'first_strip_reply_to': False, 'fqdn_listname': 'hertest2(a)example.ku.dk', 'http_etag': '"987dfgf8g569fvfd6v7"', 'include_rfc2369_headers': True, 'info': '', 'join_address': 'hertest2-join(a)example.ku.dk', 'last_post_at': None, 'leave_address': 'hertest2-leave(a)example.ku.dk', 'list_name': 'hertest2', 'mail_host': 'example.ku.dk', 'max_message_size': 40, 'moderator_password': None, 'next_digest_number': 1, 'no_reply_address': 'noreply(a)example.ku.dk', 'owner_address': 'hertest2-owner(a)example.ku.dk', 'post_id': 1, 'posting_address': 'hertest2(a)example.ku.dk', 'posting_pipeline': 'default-posting-pipeline', 'reply_goes_to_list': 'no_munging', 'reply_to_address': '', 'request_address': 'hertest2-request(a)example.ku.dk', 'send_welcome_message': True, 'subject_prefix': '[Hertest2] ', 'subscription_policy': 'confirm_then_moderate', 'volume': 1} </code>

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Upgrading from 3.1 to 3.2
by Joe Steeve July 18, 2018

July 18, 2018

Hello All, I have a 3.1 installation. I want to upgrade to 3.2. Has anyone attempted this? Any gotchas I need to be aware of? -- Joe Steeve HiPro IT Solutions Private Limited http://www.hipro.co.in/

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Mail configuration
by Darren Smith July 14, 2018

July 14, 2018

I'm not sure if this is the correct forum for this question, but I'm pretty sure if there is expertise on how to do what I want to do, it can be found here. Overview of what I am looking to do: Due to the impending shutdown (in the next 6 months) of the data center where our mailman server lives, we are being forced to move the installation. We are going to be moving it to a different location. Here is our problem... Moving things is not really a problem in and of itself - I'm confident that I can get things set up correctly elsewhere. However, our email server sends somewhere around 100,000 emails per day, and if you cut over from one IP address to another IP address, my understanding is that most ISPs will start to ban you, because they are not used to that sort of volume coming from an unknown IP. I know it would be better if we could keep the IP address, but again, due to circumstances beyond my control, this is not going to be a possibility. We have been told that "warming up" the IP is the way to go - that is, cutting over just some of the traffic a little at a time. So what I am looking for is a way for all mail on our domain to be sent to our current mailman installation, and based on some configuration (certain mailing lists?) certain emails being sent out to the list subscribers will first be forwarded to the new server and be sent from the new IP address. Does that make sense? Does anyone know a way that mailman/postfix can be configured to accomplish this? Is there a different forum where I might be able to ask experts about this? Thanks, -Darren

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Triaging message non-receipt
by Eric Abrahamsen July 13, 2018

July 13, 2018

I've got a very small list (five members) for the management of a charitable organization, and we're having trouble with intermittent message delivery failure. I was running all the mailman related packages at git master from maybe two months ago, and updated everything to master again when I saw the announcement about version 3.2. Two of our subscribers intermittently don't receive emails sent to the list by the other. One is using Gmail, the other Yahoo, and they confirm that messages are not being shunted into spam folders. It happens only occasionally: apparently nearly half the messages don't go through. The rest of us get all the messages, including all sent by these two. All messages are correctly archived in hyperkitty. smtp.log always shows "for 5 recips", even for the messages that the two users aren't getting. These two users only ever miss messages sent by the other. I'm still inclined to blame Gmail and/or Yahoo, though I don't know why they would be swallowing only messages from the other, and not from other list members. Is there any way to get a better sense of where things are going wrong? Turn up the logging verbosity? Send test messages? Get more diagnostics? If anyone has any suggestions (or if this situation sounds familiar to anyone) I would love to hear about it. Thanks, Eric

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Mailman3 Issue
by Danny Weddle July 13, 2018

July 13, 2018

For some weird reason, the file /mailman/var/data/postfix_domains has a whitespace added to every mail domain. I checked the postfix main.cf file for any white spaces, but did not see any. I get errors every time that I try to add a list. The console shows whitespace " example.org" in the list. The web page shows: Environment: Request Method: GET Request URL: http://172.16.11.235/postorius/lists/list11.mail.example2.com/ Django Version: 2.0.5 Python Version: 3.6.5 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'paintstore', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.github', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.gitlab', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.google', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.twitter', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.stackexchange') Installed Middleware: ['django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware'] Traceback: File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 35. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 128. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 126. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in view 69. return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/home/weddled/mailman/postorius/src/postorius/views/generic.py" in dispatch 57. return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in dispatch 89. return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/home/weddled/mailman/postorius/src/postorius/views/list.py" in get 219. 'hyperkitty' in self.mailing_list.archivers and File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/_collections_abc.py" in __contains__ 666. self[key] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient-3.2.0b1-py3.6.egg/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py" in __getitem__ 151. return self._get(key) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient-3.2.0b1-py3.6.egg/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py" in _get 90. return self.rest_data[key] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient-3.2.0b1-py3.6.egg/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py" in rest_data 76. response, content = self._connection.call(self._url) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient-3.2.0b1-py3.6.egg/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py" in call 103. raise HTTPError(url, response.status, content, response, None) During handling of the above exception (HTTP Error 500: b'A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator.'), another exception occurred: File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 35. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py" in __call__ 95. response = self.get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 37. response = response_for_exception(request, exc) File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in response_for_exception 87. response = handle_uncaught_exception(request, get_resolver(get_urlconf()), sys.exc_info()) File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in handle_uncaught_exception 122. return debug.technical_500_response(request, *exc_info) File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/views/debug.py" in technical_500_response 89. reporter = ExceptionReporter(request, exc_type, exc_value, tb) File "/usr/local/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/views/debug.py" in __init__ 254. self.template_info = getattr(self.exc_value, 'template_debug', None) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/tempfile.py" in __getattr__ 477. file = self.__dict__['file'] Exception Type: KeyError at /postorius/lists/list11.mail.example2.com/ Exception Value: 'file'

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Announcing Mailman Suite 3.2 release
by Abhilash Raj July 11, 2018

July 11, 2018

I am very pleased to announce the release of Mailman Suite 3.2. This includes Mailman Core 3.2.0, MailmanClient 3.2.0, Postorius 1.2.0, Django-Mailman3 1.2.0, Hyperkitty 1.2.0. This release includes tons of new features and bug fixes. We had support from tons of new contributors and I, on behalf of the whole Mailman Core team, would like to thank each one of you. Mailman Core includes support for plugins, more attributes exposed in REST API and improved support for migrating Mailman 2.x lists. You can now migrate settings and memberships from Mailman 2.x lists to Mailman 3.1. Full change log is available here: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html#la-vill… Postorius, The New Mailman Web UI, now has more settings exposed. The most noteworthy of the features include Python 3.5+ support. Also, you can now set templates for headers, footers and automatic responses inside of Postorius. Full change log is available here: https://postorius.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html#id1 Hyperkitty, the next-generation mailing-list archiver, has also jumped on the Python 3.5+ wagon and supports all the latest and stable versions of Django. Importing archives from Mailman 2.x is now even more improved. Full change log is available here: https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html#id1 All the components can be downloaded from https://pypi.org. Mailman is free software for managing email mailing lists and e-newsletters. Mailman is used for all the python.org and SourceForge.net mailing lists, as well as at hundreds of other sites. The Full documentation for the Suite is available at: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ For more information, please see our web site at one of: http://www.list.org https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman http://mailman.sourceforge.net/ https://mirror.list.org/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Pre-approved howto
by thor.rustad＠gmail.com July 9, 2018

July 9, 2018

I have tried to understand the concept of pre-approved messages, but I'm spending way too much trying to figure it out. Help! The scenario is as follows: Mailman installation with hundreds of lists. Each list's owner is only supposed to add/remove members, so approving/rejecting messages is not in the "job description". Then we have a small group of superusers who will be the ones sending documents etc to all 800 lists. The superusers should be able to do so without being stopped by size limits etc. How can I achieve this? ---- Thor Atle Rustad ----

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Mailman 3 localization
by Danil Smirnov July 5, 2018

July 5, 2018

Hi! I saw in the docs: Localization > > We have it! We just don’t have proper documentation here yet. > Could you please be more specific - can I switch Mailman 3 installation to Spanish? Regards, Danil Smirnov

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Query on how to change moderator message to non-members
by robert.kydd＠gmail.com July 4, 2018

July 4, 2018

Hi My users are upset that when their mail is waiting moderation release they receive this message: 'Your mail to 'Members' with the subject AW: [Members] Hamburg 2019 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list' Is their a way to change the text "post by a non-member to a members-only list" as they are registered members of the Joomla site

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