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To have mailman3 start at boot, trying to configure the systemd mailman3.service unit, but having issues
by Keith Christian June 10, 2024

June 10, 2024

Hello, mailman list: Trying to add the mailman3.service unit so that mailman3 will start on system boots/reboots. Seeing different behavior with the mailman3.service unit commands vs. with the "/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman" command line. Everyone on this list is more experienced than I with reading systemd error messages and Python code, so your ideas are appreciated. I am using letters and numbers to navigate the six screenshots in this email, I hope this is helpful, without being too much info. Running the following OS and Python versions. Mailman was installed with "pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary" per the virtual environment instructions: (venv) [keithchristian@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/redhat-release AlmaLinux release 9.4 (Seafoam Ocelot) (venv) [keithchristian@localhost ~]$ python3 -V Python 3.9.18 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To begin: here is the current mailman3.service unit file, taken from the "Starting Mailman automatically" portion of: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html, with all /opt/mailman/ paths set to /opt/mailman3/ for my sandbox system. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A 1 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service A 2 [Unit] A 3 Description=GNU Mailing List Manager A 4 After=syslog.target network.target postgresql.service A 5 A 6 [Service] A 7 Type=forking A 8 PIDFile=/opt/mailman3/mm/var/master.pid A 9 User=mailman3 A 10 Group=mailman3 A 11 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start A 12 ExecReload=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman restart A 13 ExecStop=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman stop A 14 A 15 [Install] A 16 WantedBy=multi-user.target ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below in line B-6, systemd thinks mailman isn't running, but with the "/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman" commands, line B-2 says it is. I could be misinterpreting the systemd output, however. Python not happy about some directories. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- B 1 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman status B 2 GNU Mailman is running (master pid: 10004) B 3 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl status mailman3.service B 4 mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager B 5 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) B 6 Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2024-06-08 09:35:57 MDT; 7min ago B 7 Process: 10342 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) B 8 CPU: 762ms B 9 B 10 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist B 11 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: makedirs(directory) B 12 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs B 13 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: os.makedirs(path, mode) B 14 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs B 15 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: mkdir(name, mode) B 16 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' B 17 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE B 18 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. B 19 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below, we stop mailman with the command line and check status with systemd. C-1, C-2, show stopped. I'd think systemctl status should show stopped but it doesn't. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C 1 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman stop C 2 Shutting down Mailman's master runner C 3 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl status mailman3.service C 4 mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager C 5 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) C 6 Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2024-06-08 09:35:57 MDT; 8min ago C 7 Process: 10342 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) C 8 CPU: 762ms C 9 C 10 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist C 11 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: makedirs(directory) C 12 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs C 13 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: os.makedirs(path, mode) C 14 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs C 15 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: mkdir(name, mode) C 16 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' C 17 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE C 18 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. C 19 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below, we start mailman, the "/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman" command line works, D-1 through D-5. Line D-6, the systemd status command (erroneously) shows otherwise. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D 1 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start D 2 Starting Mailman's master runner D 3 Generating MTA alias maps D 4 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman status D 5 GNU Mailman is running (master pid: 10457) D 6 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl status mailman3.service D 7 mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager D 8 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) D 9 Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2024-06-08 09:35:57 MDT; 10min ago D 10 Process: 10342 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) D 11 CPU: 762ms D 12 D 13 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist D 14 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: makedirs(directory) D 15 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs D 16 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: os.makedirs(path, mode) D 17 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs D 18 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: mkdir(name, mode) D 19 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' D 20 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE D 21 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. D 22 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- E 1 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman status E 2 GNU Mailman is running (master pid: 10457) E 3 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman stop E 4 Shutting down Mailman's master runner E 5 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ /opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start E 6 Starting Mailman's master runner E 7 Generating MTA alias maps E 8 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl status mailman3.service E 9 mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager E 10 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) E 11 Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2024-06-08 09:35:57 MDT; 2h 21min ago E 12 Process: 10342 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) E 13 CPU: 762ms E 14 E 15 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist E 16 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: makedirs(directory) E 17 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs E 18 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: os.makedirs(path, mode) E 19 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs E 20 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: mkdir(name, mode) E 21 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' E 22 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE E 23 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. E 24 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. E 25 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl stop mailman3.service E 26 ==== AUTHENTICATING FOR org.freedesktop.systemd1.manage-units ==== E 27 Authentication is required to stop 'mailman3.service'. E 28 Multiple identities can be used for authentication: E 29 1. keith christian (keithchristian) E 30 2. mailman3 E 31 Choose identity to authenticate as (1-2): 2 E 32 Password: E 33 ==== AUTHENTICATION COMPLETE ==== E 34 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl status mailman3.service E 35 mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager E 36 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) E 37 Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2024-06-08 09:35:57 MDT; 2h 21min ago E 38 Process: 10342 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) E 39 CPU: 762ms E 40 E 41 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist E 42 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: makedirs(directory) E 43 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs E 44 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: os.makedirs(path, mode) E 45 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs E 46 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: mkdir(name, mode) E 47 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain mailman[10342]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' E 48 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE E 49 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. E 50 Jun 08 09:35:57 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. E 51 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ systemctl start mailman3.service E 52 ==== AUTHENTICATING FOR org.freedesktop.systemd1.manage-units ==== E 53 Authentication is required to start 'mailman3.service'. E 54 Multiple identities can be used for authentication: E 55 1. keith christian (keithchristian) E 56 2. mailman3 E 57 Choose identity to authenticate as (1-2): 2 E 58 Password: E 59 ==== AUTHENTICATION COMPLETE ==== E 60 Job for mailman3.service failed because the control process exited with error code. E 61 See "systemctl status mailman3.service" and "journalctl -xeu mailman3.service" for details. E 62 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ journalctl -xeu mailman3.service|tail -20 E 63 Defined-By: systemd E 64 Support: https://wiki.almalinux.org/Help-and-Support E 65 E 66 An ExecStart= process belonging to unit mailman3.service has exited. E 67 E 68 The process' exit code is 'exited' and its exit status is 1. E 69 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. E 70 Subject: Unit failed E 71 Defined-By: systemd E 72 Support: https://wiki.almalinux.org/Help-and-Support E 73 E 74 The unit mailman3.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code'. E 75 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. E 76 Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has failed E 77 Defined-By: systemd E 78 Support: https://wiki.almalinux.org/Help-and-Support E 79 E 80 A start job for unit mailman3.service has finished with a failure. E 81 E 82 The job identifier is 9400 and the job result is failed. E 83 E 84 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ journalctl -xeu mailman3.service|grep -a "Jun 08 11:5[0-9]:[0-9][0-9]" E 85 Jun 08 11:58:51 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... E 86 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: Traceback (most recent call last): E 87 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> E 88 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.9', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) E 89 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ E 90 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) E 91 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main E 92 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: E 93 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context E 94 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: self.parse_args(ctx, args) E 95 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args E 96 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) E 97 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args E 98 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) E 99 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result E 100 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: value = self.process_value(ctx, value) E 101 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value E 102 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) E 103 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config E 104 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: initialize(value) E 105 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 228, in initialize E 106 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: initialize_1(config_path) E 107 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 122, in initialize_1 E 108 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: mailman.config.config.load(config_path) E 109 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 141, in load E 110 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: self._post_process() E 111 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 163, in _post_process E 112 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: self.ensure_directories_exist() E 113 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 256, in ensure_directories_exist E 114 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: makedirs(directory) E 115 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 68, in makedirs E 116 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: os.makedirs(path, mode) E 117 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs E 118 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: mkdir(name, mode) E 119 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain mailman[11160]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' E 120 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE E 121 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. E 122 Jun 08 11:58:52 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. E 123 [mailman3@localhost ~]$ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For the PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' in Line E-119 above, every /var/tamplates directory except the last one has write permissions for mailman3, I doubt that the "/home/keithchristian/var/templates directory" had been tried. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- F 1 1716996947 drwxr-xr-x. 2 mailman3 mailman3 6 May 29 09:35 /opt/mailman3/var/templates F 2 1716999414 drwxr-xr-x. 2 mailman3 mailman3 6 May 29 10:16 /opt/mailman3/mailman_install_documentation_edits/var/templates F 3 1717774226 drwxr-xr-x. 2 mailman3 mailman3 6 Jun 7 09:30 /opt/mailman3/venv/var/templates F 4 1717779523 drwxr-xr-x. 2 keithchristian keithchristian 6 Jun 7 10:58 /home/keithchristian/var/templates ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- END OF MAILMAN INSTALL ISSUES SCREENSHOTS -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Email to list owner on list creation only sent when using mailman create --notify command
by Perry Kollmorgen June 10, 2024

June 10, 2024

Hi, This is only a minor issue, however as a nicety for new list owners I am hoping there is work around or something I have missed. I have the following file: templates/domains/<fqdn_listname/en/domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt When I use the mailman create command with the --notify option the new owners receives an email with the correct template info from the above file. However when I use mailmanclient python bindings or Postorius to create an list, there is no email sent. Is there an option to include a notify option when using mailmanclient or the API direct perhaps ? Or even maybe a way to trigger a notification manually at some point once the list is completely setup including both short and long descriptions ? Thank you. Regards, Perry

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Digests not working correctly
by Joel Lord June 8, 2024

June 8, 2024

So I seem to have problems with both periodic AND size-triggered digests. Size first, this is simpler. Just got one sent out, clearly triggered by a new email getting added to the queued up messages, but the setting for the list is the default 30KB and the digest came out at 23.2 KB. Is it measuring the accumulated queue as size on disk including metadata and filesystem block sizes or something, rather than the size of what the emailed digest will be? Periodic is much more complicated, even to explain. I have the cron job running nightly at 11:00 PM and it certainly seems to be working, except for one really odd thing. The list also definitely has periodic digests enabled in the web UI. This is a very bursty list, so it will go mad with traffic for a few weeks and then will go mostly idle for a month or so. The first digest of a burst is definitely size-triggered, but pretty reliably it has the last few messages from the previous burst in there. So the one I got today had three messages from today and one message from May 4th. But that May 4th message should have gone out at 11:00 PM on May 4th with the daily digest and then gotten flushed from the pending digest queue, right? -- Joel Lord

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Using the API to create nonmembers with a different moderation action than the list default
by Perry Kollmorgen June 8, 2024

June 8, 2024

Hi, My next challenge is to script the setup of a bunch of nonmembers who have a moderation action of accept (or maybe defer) whilst the list itself has a nonmember action of hold. This is due to a relatively heavy use of nested lists, and have a fair number of people who might possibly send to all lists, and are important enough they wouldn't want to be manually allowed each time even if it only once. When using the mailmanclient python bindings I have worked out I can add nonmembers with something like: mailing_list.add_role('nonmember', 'nonmember(a)yourdomain.com', display_name='Non Member') However I can't see anything in the mailmanclient docs which suggest it is possible to configure a member_moderation_action or moderation_action field for that member. I assume I'll need to fall back to using the REST API directly, and most likely something along these lines: 1/ Obtain the member ID for an email address of someone who already been added as a nonmember. 2/ Patch an endpoint which looks something like: /members/{member_id} I'm not able to use the mailman binary (e.g mailman shell) on the mailman-core host itself as I would like to query an existing database of people and reach out to a mailman endpoint from the database host rather than opening that host up to further network access. I figured it might be a good stage in which to ask for a little help and pointers before I continue, perhaps there is something I have missed for a better way to approach this. Thanks. Regards, Perry

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Trying to save a new style
by Perry Kollmorgen June 7, 2024

June 7, 2024

Dear Mailman-users list, I have embarked on project to stand up a Mailman3 instance for general staff email announcements and a small number of adhoc lists. I have a fair amount up and working using Docker and Postfix, with generally emails to/from lists working well, as well as the web interface. One of the reasons I've used Mailman3 is the API and mailman shell options which I'm slowly trying to wrap my head around, but having some progress. I have a question for the moment on something which has stumped me, and whilst I may have more questions as I continue on this implementation, I am hopeful someone can point out where I am going wrong on this. Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyleManager >>> manager = getUtility(IStyleManager) >>> >>> for style in manager.styles: ... print(style.name) ... legacy-announce legacy-default private-default >>> >>> >>> from zope.interface import implementer >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyle >>> @implementer(IStyle) ... class TestStyle: ... name = 'AB-Announce-Style' ... description = 'AB Announce mailing list style.' ... def apply(self, mailing_list): ... mailing_list.admin_immed_notify = true ... mailing_list.admin_notify_mchanges = true ... mailing_list.advertised = false ... mailing_list.allow_list_posts = false ... mailing_list.anonymous_list = false ... mailing_list.archive_policy = "private" ... mailing_list.archive_rendering_mode = "markdown" ... mailing_list.collapse_alternatives = false ... mailing_list.convert_html_to_plaintext = false ... mailing_list.default_member_action = "defer" ... mailing_list.default_nonmember_action = "hold" ... mailing_list.digest_send_periodic = false ... mailing_list.digests_enabled = false ... mailing_list.emergency = false ... mailing_list.include_rfc2369_headers = true ... mailing_list.max_message_size = 40000 ... mailing_list.max_num_recipients = 30 ... mailing_list.member_roster_visibility = "moderators" ... mailing_list.send_goodbye_message = true ... mailing_list.send_welcome_message = true ... mailing_list.subscription_policy = "moderate" ... mailing_list.unsubscription_policy = "moderate" ... >>> manager.register(TestStyle()) >>> >>> commit() >>> >>> for style in manager.styles: ... print(style.name) ... AB-Announce-Style legacy-announce legacy-default private-default So at this point the style has been registered, however it doesn't look to save this permanently. When I quit the shell and log back in, it only shows the original 3 styles. Nor can I see the style from the web interface. Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyleManager >>> manager = getUtility(IStyleManager) >>> >>> for style in manager.styles: ... print(style.name) ... legacy-announce legacy-default private-default >>> Is there a way to save this style permanently ? Thank you for any assistance you can provide. Regards, PerryK

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Mailman3 memory footprint
by Marc SCHAEFER June 6, 2024

June 6, 2024

Hello, It seems the mailman & mailman-web memory footprint are somewhat big. It looks a lot of instances are started. I have seen this: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1050 and added this to the end of /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py: Q_CLUSTER = { 'workers': 2, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', 'poll': 5, } However, it does not seem to really reduce the memory footprint. Any other suggestions? Thank you.

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Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)
by marcus＠mbautze.de June 6, 2024

June 6, 2024

Hello, i already send this question to the plesk-forum but it seems that nobody there can help me :-( After updating from Debian 10 to 11 to 12, I now have mailman3 running on my server I then converted all lists from Mailman2 to Mailman3 following the instructions from mailman. I can access it via the web interface, manage everything etc. When I register on the web interface, I also receive the corresponding mails from Mailman (forgotten password...) Mails are also arriving, at least mails that are not allowed go into the mails to be approved. The problem, however, is that it does not send out any mails, nor do they appear in the archive. When I look in the Mailman-Log I find: May 16 01:44:55 2024 (6833) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 May 16 01:48:15 2024 (61252) error opening connection to nntp_host: localhost [Errno 111] Connection refused May 16 01:48:15 2024 (61252) NNTP error for list vereinsmitglieder(a)ludothek.de: [Errno 111] Connection refused The configuration of Mailman.cfg looks like this: incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 smtp_user: smtp_pass: lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 In Mailman manuals I find hints that the transport routes have to be added to the Postfix-config. Doesn't Debian/Plesk do this automatically? Does anyone else have an idea what I need to change to get my mails out? I did the conversion from mailman2 to mailman3 with root because it didn't work with "sudo -u list "m, but the files stored in the file system all belong to list, so that shouldn't be the problem.

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Sending to mangled 'From' addresses.
by hansen June 5, 2024

June 5, 2024

All, Due to the DMARC mitigation action ‘Replace From: with list address’, it happens often on my lists that someone sends a message to a mangled address, hoping that the message goes to the person listed as the sender. This happens mostly because the mail clients collect previous addresses and use them when as type-ahead candidates for new messages, which may be unrelated to the lists. For example, say the mail client captures my address as “Allan Hansen via <listname>” <listaddress> then later, when the person wants to send a message to me, the type-ahead puts this string in the ’To:’ field: “Allan Hansen via <listname>” and, to make it worse, the actual email address, <listaddress>, is often hidden. The result is that the email gets sent to the list instead of to me, together with (often) personal and (sometimes) embarrassing information. Is there a way to reject messages sent to recipients where the name part of the recipient is of the above format, i.e., "Allan Hansen via <listname>" In other words, filtering is done on the name part of the recipient, not the address part. Should I get onto the other list to request this as an enhancement? Yours, Allan

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Sign and encrypt e-mail responses
by Markus Grandpré June 4, 2024

June 4, 2024

Dear List, is it possible to sign and encrypt all e-mail responses from the Mailman3 server with a digital certificate? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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import21 detailed usage instructions in 2024
by Keith Christian June 3, 2024

June 3, 2024

1 Soon, I will be executing the first test imports from Mailman2.1 to Mailman3.9. 2 Planning to copy over the entire production Mailman2.1 to a new directory structure on the Mailman 3.9 machine. 3 Expecting that all .mbox and .pkl files will be present and no special work has to be done to bring them over will a "full" mailman2.1 copy. 4 Can the import21 program find the mailman2.1 .mbox and .pkl files on its own and process them? 5 Other than the mailman2.1 instance being shut down, any other prep that needs to be done? 6 Any special command line parameters to be aware of for import21? 7 Is there a list of troubleshooting steps for commonly encountered migration issues? Thanks. ------------------ Keith

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import21 caused a few mails to be sent out
by Marc SCHAEFER June 2, 2024

June 2, 2024

Hello, After importing a (big > 3000 subscribers) list with import21, I noticed the following: 36 mails went out from LIST-NAME-bounces to subscribers, but they apparently all bounced. Could those be subscribers that Mailman2 saw bouncing and added the appropriate flag, and Mailman3 sent a probe after the import21? I checked for one of the e-mail address and: Mailman2: - that e-mail has the [X] R flag for "noncourriel" (no delivery) Mailman3: - that e-mail is Delivery mode Regular, Bounces to 0 NB: in MM2 and MM3, all users are in Hold for moderation, that's normal. In addition, there are a few mails in /var/lib/mailman/messages for example that same user: one file, showing a bounce from a remote server. So my questions: 1) is this behaviour to "probe" already disabled addresses normal, and not "port over" the "don't deliver"? 2) why are those messages held in messages/ ? 3) should I then, before running import21, clean the MM2 installation of all those users with [X] R flag? If yes, is there a simple command? Thank you for pointers or help. PS: there was no trafic on that imported mailing-list yet, it's a test.

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Mailman sending email from user@example.com
by dgoldsmith＠sans.org May 30, 2024

May 30, 2024

I have defined an additional SITE in django and the SITE_ID value in /etc/mailman3/settings.py is set to reference that site's ID value. Messages for a list being distributed that are generating certain bounce errors are resulting in email from Mailman 3.x being sent to the list owners from the address user(a)example.com. Is there something else to update in the settings files, Django or the database to make it use the list owner email address tied to the domain of the site? Thanks, David Goldsmith

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Have postgresql in the mailman.cfg file but sqlite shows in the mailman info command
by Keith Christian May 29, 2024

May 29, 2024

(venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.18 (main, Jan 24 2024, 00:00:00) [GCC 11.4.1 20231218 (Red Hat 11.4.1-3)] config file: /opt/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////opt/mailman3/var/data/mailman.db <<<---------------------------------------- devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass Class and url were commented out in the mailman.cfg file, did not recognize postgresql but generated a trace (venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ grep postgresql /opt/mailman3/mailman.cfg # class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase # url: postgresql://mailman:MYPASSWORD@localhost/mailman Uncommented class and url: class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase <<<---------------------------------------- url: postgresql://mailman:MYPASSWORD@localhost/mailman <<<---------------------------------------- Now I get a stack trace from "mailman info" (venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ mailman info Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.9', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context self.parse_args(ctx, args) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result value = self.process_value(ctx, value) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config initialize(value) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 228, in initialize initialize_1(config_path) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 122, in initialize_1 mailman.config.config.load(config_path) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 145, in load self.push(filename, user_config.read()) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 150, in push self._config.push(config_name, config_string) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/lazr/config/_config.py", line 582, in push confs = self._getExtendedConfs(conf_name, conf_data) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/lazr/config/_config.py", line 615, in _getExtendedConfs _parser_read_file(parser, StringIO(conf_data), conf_filename) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/lazr/config/_config.py", line 49, in _parser_read_file parser.read_file(f, source) File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/configparser.py", line 718, in read_file self._read(f, source) File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/configparser.py", line 1085, in _read raise MissingSectionHeaderError(fpname, lineno, line) configparser.MissingSectionHeaderError: File contains no section headers. file: '/opt/mailman3/mailman.cfg', line: 14 <<<---------------------------------------- 'class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase\n' Here is the complete mailman.cfg file: 1 # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg 2 # [paths.here] 3 # var_dir: /opt/mailman/mm/var 4 # 5 # [mailman] 6 # layout: here 7 # # This address is the "site owner" address. Certain messages which must be 8 # # delivered to a human, but which can't be delivered to a list owner (e.g. a 9 # # bounce from a list owner), will be sent to this address. It should point to 10 # # a human. 11 # site_owner: user(a)example.com 12 # 13 # [database] 14 # class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase 15 # url: postgresql://mailman:MYPASSWORD@localhost/mailman 16 # 17 # [archiver.prototype] 18 # enable: yes 19 # 20 # # For the HyperKitty archiver. 21 # [archiver.hyperkitty] 22 # class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver 23 # enable: yes 24 # configuration: /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg 25 # 26 # [shell] 27 # history_file: $var_dir/history.py 28 # 29 # [mta] 30 # verp_confirmations: yes 31 # verp_personalized_deliveries: yes 32 # verp_delivery_interval: 1 33 # Ideas? Thanks.

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Django administration - User permissions
by advorkin＠cs.princeton.edu May 29, 2024

May 29, 2024

Hello, I'm trying to setup users with different permissions. For example: I created a group support with an ability to hyperkitty/mailing list/Can add/change/delete/view mailing list. Unfortunately, the user still does not have an ability to create mailing lists as the option does not exist. It does work when the user is set as "Superuser status". I've also tried giving every possible "available user permissions", but it didn't make a difference. Am I missing something? Thank you!

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Installing Mailman3 under a Python Virtual environment running on RHEL9
by Andy Macheta May 29, 2024

May 29, 2024

Hi, So tried, without much success, to get Postorius working on my Mailman3 server and every internet trick& tip I tried did not work so decided to take a new approach as recommended at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Used this reference: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-depe… which I know is more for Debian/Ubuntu systems but I was hoping that 90%+ would also work with Red Hat. Fell at the first hurdle with no packages available called "python3-dev" or "python3-venv" Is there anyone that has managed to install a running version of Mailman3 that has a working GUI whether it is on bare metal or Python virtual environment and if so, could they kindly let me know how they did it?? The closest I've come is a running command line version of Mailman3 which is fine for me of course but not for anyone else as they like access via web browser. Thanks in advance, Andy Macheta

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Circumstances in which a subscriber is added to Pending Confirmation list
by David Owen May 28, 2024

May 28, 2024

Hi I wondered if anybody would be able to assist me in my understanding of the Pending Confirmation list, please. In our Mailman mailing list, our Member Policy settings for both Subscription Policy and Un-subscription Policy are set to Open. Therefore we don't require subscribers to confirm their subscription after they submit a request to join our mailing list. Despite this, a number of subscribers seem to be arriving in the Pending Confirmation (Subscriptions pending user confirmation) list. Others correctly arrive in the Members list, as we would expect. All subscription requests are made by the subscriber sending an email to our "join" email address with the subject "subscribe". I've looked at the settings carefully and can't seem to see any that may cause the above behaviour at any time (although I may have missed something of course). Therefore, does anybody know the circumstances in which subscribers to an open mailing list may somehow arrive in the Pending Confirmation list? If I could understand the cause(s) I could then consider ways to manage it or prevent it from happening. Our Mailman installation is hosted centrally in a large organisation so we while we can alter our mailing list's settings in Postorious, we can't alter the source code or similar, so we don't have great room for manoeuvre. Our Postorius version is 1.3.6. Thanks and regards David

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FYI: "RuntimeError: command failure: /usr/sbin/postmap /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp, 1, Operation not permitted"
by Nils May 27, 2024

May 27, 2024

After mailman was running so well I was wondering if I really need the restart option in the service configuration. When I commented it out, I got this error a few weeks later: > # systemctl status mailman3 > × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager > Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; > vendor preset: enabled) > Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2024-05-14 00:34:37 > CEST; 1 week 6 days ago > Process: 1159 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) > CPU: 6.933s > > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: return > f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", > line 109, in start > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: > call_name(config.mta.incoming).regenerate() > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", > line 136, in regenerate > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: raise > RuntimeError(NL.join(errors)) > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD mailman[1159]: RuntimeError: command > failure: /usr/sbin/postmap /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp, 1, > Operation not permitted > May 14 00:34:36 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control > process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE > May 14 00:34:37 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with > result 'exit-code'. > May 14 00:34:37 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing > List Manager. > May 14 00:34:37 SERVER.TLD systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Consumed > 6.933s CPU time. I can only guess that the error might be some case of very bad timing, because there shouldn't be any problem with the mentioned call. > # su mailman > (venv) mailman@SERVER:/$ /usr/sbin/postmap > /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp Usually works fine. I re-enabled the lines in the server configuration: > Restart=on-failure > RestartSec=15

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Automatic migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm)
by schaefer＠alphanet.ch May 25, 2024

May 25, 2024

Hello, I already have some success in auto-migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm), using a new container (not upgrading the existing installation, which is obsolete e.g. 32 bit x86). I am doing this using custom scripts. The idea being to be able to import most of the existing configuration and archives, let the list administrators test the new system, and progressively advertise this to users. Then, the old container will be disabled. The basic stuff works (From: domain is OK, HTTP transport works, mail go out, etc) I however bumped into the following problem: How may I automatically (from the command line) replace the example.com which is displayed in the web interface and in the From: comment field of the e-mails (the address itself is OK) -- I only found documentation about changing through the GUI so far. Any pointer? Also, I have a question: if I import my 2.1 config for each ml, will DKIM work-arounds work (e.g. replace This User <user@domain> by This User user@domain <the-mailing-list>) ? Will Mailman 2.1 it required some config changes and also I had to modify mailman using a Debian diversion, AFAIR. Thank you for any input.

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Where should Postfix, Django, Hyperkitty, Postorius, Dart-Sass, etc. be installed if MM3 is in a python virtual environment?
by Keith Christian May 25, 2024

May 25, 2024

Greetings, Mailman3 List ! mailman3 was installed into the below virtual environment: (venv) [mailman3@localhost-live ~]$ pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary Should, or must, any of Django, Hyperkitty, Postorius, Dart-Sass, or any other supporting programs be installed into this virtual environment ? PostgreSQL and Postfix have been successfully installed outside of the mailman3 virtual environment and start properly, I assume this is correct. Thanks in advance. ---- Keith

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Congrats & MM3 Development Plans Request - Take 2
by David Wilson May 23, 2024

May 23, 2024

Liang Liu; Congratulations on securing your Summer of Code project with MM3. As someone who is quite interested in the Mailman3 development plans, I tried to follow the link you provided but with no success. It timed out. Is that still a valid or the best link? Can you also please point me to the best source or site to get a general understanding of short and long term *MM3 development plans*, including various upcoming GSOC projects, including yours. Thank you very much in advance. Best regards. Dave Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: qL0JVbh9Fk99UcFT.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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[GSoC] Self-introduction Liu
by Liang Liu May 21, 2024

May 21, 2024

Hello everyone, I’m Liang Liu, a GSoC student this year. I will be responsible for using the publish-subscribe model to improve communication efficiency between the core and clients. The detail of this function is shown in the link below. https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202024#Support_for_RE… I am excited to learn from all of you and share my experiences. Please feel free to reach out to me for any collaboration or discussion—I am keen to contribute and learn as much as I can. Hope we have a productive summer.

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List Configuration Attribute Descriptions
by steve.bachinsky＠tena-sda.org May 20, 2024

May 20, 2024

Where does one obtain a complete and concise description for all of the list configuration attributes? From the documentation, it is shown that the REST "config" interface will provide all of the attribute values associated with a particular list. But how does one find a concise description for all of these attributes? For example, I see that there is a list attribute for "default_nonmember_action" and there are two documentation pages for this attribute, but I can't find a concise description of the attribute and the permitted values. Thanks, Steve

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Cloned mailman3 from the gitlab site, having issues locating the mailman3 file to start it
by Keith Christian May 20, 2024

May 20, 2024

The path to the mailman3.py file is: /home/mailman3/mailman/src/mailman/bin/mailman.py I created a mailman3 user, then, set the ownership on all directories and files in /home/mailman3 and below to mailman3:mailman3. When trying to run the "mailman info" command to verify that that mailman3 can start, I get this error: File "/home/mailman3/mailman/src/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 22 in <module> from mailman.command.cli_help import help as help command Not sure what is going on here, help greatly appreciated.

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When QQ email sends emails to the Mailman service set up by oneself, members of the list who use QQ email cannot receive the emails, and it shows that the emails are rejected.
by rqchen＠cnic.cn May 11, 2024

May 11, 2024

When QQ email sends emails to the Mailman service set up by oneself, members of the list who use QQ email cannot receive the emails, and it shows that the emails are rejected.

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cnic-20240510
by 陈汝祈 May 10, 2024

May 10, 2024

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Change Dmark settings via command line
by bob B May 8, 2024

May 8, 2024

I need to set all the DMARC settings on are lists to "replace from with list address". Is there an easy want to do this via cli? I could do it by viewing the web interface but we have a lot of lists.

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Deleting A List
by Odhiambo Washington May 4, 2024

May 4, 2024

I have deleted a list (list(a)nog.ke) - list_id = list.nog.ke. I can see from Django Admin UI that the archives are still intact. I created a new list (list(a)lists.nog.ke) - list_id = list.lists.nog.ke Is there a way to move the archives from the old list to the new list? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Welcome message template errors
by Mark May 1, 2024

May 1, 2024

Hi All I'm getting errors when a custom "Welcome message" template is in place [list:user:notice:welcome]. Case: Subscribing a new user via the admin "Mass subscribe". Although the new user is successfully subscribed, a welcome message is not sent and the following error message displays on the webpage. === HTTP Error 400: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) === And the site-owner receives an email with ... ==== Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/ DoesNotExist at /mailman3/lists/ Site matching query does not exist. Request Method: GET Request URL: http://<REDACTED-PUBLIC-IPv4-ADDRESS>/mailman3/lists/ Django Version: 4.2.11 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 Python Version: 3.11.2 ... etc ... === Regarding the second line in the email - my thinking is that it should be looking in "/opt/mailman/mm/var/lists" and not "/mailman3/lists/". If that's right, where would I look to change that directive? If not, any other clues would be greatly appreciated. The error doesn't occur if the is no custom "Welcome message" template - ie. the user is sent the default welcome message. $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/

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Re: [MM3-users off list] Re: Welcome message template errors
by Mark April 29, 2024

April 29, 2024

>> So, I'm thinking (in broad brush strokes) that if I'm stuck with this >> "http glitch" I could write a script to: >> >> 1. extract the text of the custom message from the database, >> 2. write that message text to a file >> 3. update the templates.uri entries to replace the >> http://localhost... with file:///path/to/file >> 4. cron the script to run every few minutes. >> >> It screams of utter clunk I know... > but it would work. > > Note that this may not be as big an issue as it seems. It doesn't > affect all templates, for example list:member:digest:footer, > list:member:digest:header, list:member:digest:masthead, > list:member:regular:footer, list:member:regular:header and > list:member:generic:footer are only used by the `out` runner when > sending messages, so these aren't affected. Right. Affected are all the "list:user:notice:***" (eg. goodbye, hold, reject,...) > > I'm still trying to determine what the issue is. To this end can you > tell me what Python version your Mailman uses and what is the output > from `pip freeze` with your venv active? $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0] $ pip freeze aiosmtpd==1.4.4.post2 alembic==1.13.1 arrow==1.3.0 asgiref==3.7.2 atpublic==4.0 attrs==23.2.0 authheaders==0.16.2 authres==1.2.0 blessed==1.20.0 certifi==2023.11.17 cffi==1.16.0 charset-normalizer==3.3.2 click==8.1.7 cmarkgfm==2024.1.14 cryptography==42.0.1 defusedxml==0.7.1 Django==4.2.11 django-allauth==0.60.1 django-appconf==1.0.6 django-compressor==4.4 django-extensions==3.2.3 django-gravatar2==1.4.4 django-haystack==3.2.1 django-mailman3==1.3.12 django-picklefield==3.1 django-q==1.3.9 djangorestframework==3.14.0 dkimpy==1.1.5 dnspython==2.5.0 docutils==0.20.1 falcon==3.1.3 filelock==3.13.1 flufl.bounce==4.0 flufl.i18n==5.0.2 flufl.lock==8.0.2 greenlet==3.0.3 gunicorn==21.2.0 HyperKitty==1.3.9 idna==3.6 lazr.config==3.0 lazr.delegates==2.1.0 mailman==3.3.9 mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1 mailman-web==0.0.9 mailmanclient==3.3.5 Mako==1.3.0 MarkupSafe==2.1.4 mistune==3.0.2 networkx==3.2.1 nh3==0.2.15 oauthlib==3.2.2 packaging==23.2 passlib==1.7.4 postorius==1.3.10 psutil==5.9.8 psycopg2-binary==2.9.9 publicsuffix2==2.20191221 pycparser==2.21 Pygments==2.17.2 PyJWT==2.8.0 python-dateutil==2.8.2 python3-openid==3.2.0 pytz==2023.3.post1 rcssmin==1.1.1 readme-renderer==42.0 redis==3.5.3 requests==2.31.0 requests-oauthlib==1.3.1 rjsmin==1.2.1 robot-detection==0.4 six==1.16.0 SQLAlchemy==2.0.25 sqlparse==0.4.4 types-python-dateutil==2.8.19.20240106 typing_extensions==4.9.0 urllib3==2.1.0 wcwidth==0.2.13 Whoosh==2.7.4 xapian @ file:///opt/mailman/xapian-1.4.24-cp311-cp311-linux_aarch64.whl xapian-haystack==3.1.0 zope.component==6.0 zope.configuration==5.0 zope.event==5.0 zope.hookable==6.0 zope.i18nmessageid==6.1.0 zope.interface==6.1 zope.schema==7.0.1

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Mailman with Python 3.12
by Andrew Hodgson April 26, 2024

April 26, 2024

Hi. What's the latest on Mailman with Python 3.12? Looking at Ubuntu 24.04 upgrade plans and realised it comes with Python 3.12. Ubuntu are shipping Mailman packages from Debian so not sure if they have made any changes to make Python 3.12 work. I don't use those packages myself. Andrew.

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mailman3-web and the django middleware problem
by Thomas Stein April 26, 2024

April 26, 2024

Howdy! I'm trying to migrate an aged mailman3 installation from ubuntu 20.04 to ubuntu 22.04. Fresh install of mailman3-web gives me: Creating config file /etc/dbconfig-common/mailman3-web.conf with new version creating database mailman3web.db: success. verifying database mailman3web.db exists: success. Creating config file /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py with new version /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/conf.py:174: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than t imeout,failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion.See https://django-q2.readthedocs.io/en/maste r/configure.html#retry for details. warn( Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/django-admin", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('Django==4.2.11', 'console_scripts', 'django-admin')()) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 442, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 416, in execute django.setup() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/__init__.py", line 24, in setup apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/apps/registry.py", line 124, in populate app_config.ready() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/apps.py", line 15, in ready raise ImproperlyConfigured( django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE dpkg: error processing package mailman3-web (--configure): installed mailman3-web package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: mailman3-web needrestart is being skipped since dpkg has failed E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I've already seen this thread: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… ...but that does not get me anywhere. Could someone please push me in the right direction? cheers! t.

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Slow performance when listing members on Postorius
by Alan So April 24, 2024

April 24, 2024

We are about to upgrade to Mailman core 3.3.9 and Postorius 1.3.10. We notice that for setup with large number of members, the performance is much slower when listing members on web (Postorius). Further troubleshooting show that there are quite a number of API calls which do not appear in Mailman core 3.3.5 and Postorius 1.3.6 when we list members. [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/33a6266d0a04472c8d5d6c78869a964c/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/7a18b7cb90a34ac98881a3f01b5488d1/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/61c6c3e2aaf443babd3bd191519b0424/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" [17/Apr/2024:14:12:22 +0800] "GET /3.1/members/8dd681165b8c436fac6793cae1ed2c27/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 156 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Further tests showing that each database query using "_member_id" in table member can take as much as 0.3 to 0.5 seconds for some large installations. The default 25 members per page mean that it will take at least 7.5 to 12.5 seconds. Changing to 200 members per page will take even longer time. We wonder whether "_member_id" should be indexed just like most other id in the database mailman_core in order to solve the issue. Or are there any other workarounds? +----------------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ | Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra | +----------------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ | id | int(11) | NO | PRI | NULL | auto_increment | | _member_id | char(32) | YES | | NULL | | | role | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | list_id | varchar(255) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | moderation_action | int(11) | YES | | NULL | | | address_id | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | preferences_id | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | user_id | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | | bounce_score | int(11) | YES | | NULL | | | last_bounce_received | datetime | YES | | NULL | | | last_warning_sent | datetime | YES | | NULL | | | total_warnings_sent | int(11) | YES | | NULL | | +----------------------+--------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+

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Change config to create a new list with all archives off
by Tibor Molnar April 21, 2024

April 21, 2024

Can archiving be changed anywhere in mailman3 configs, so then all new lists created do not archive by default?

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Mailman 3 hosting query
by Bill Robertson April 18, 2024

April 18, 2024

Hi I'm investigating the possibility of transferring a fairly small mailing list I own from Google Groups to MM3 via a hosting service. I'd appreciate any pointers regarding what I should be looking out for with companies that offer this service It also seems very hard to find out which hosting companies are worth considering (In particular, reliability and support are important) Any help much is much appreciated Thanks

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Is there a way to find out when a user subscribed to a list
by Mohsen Masoudfar April 17, 2024

April 17, 2024

Hi, We need to find out when a specific user joined a list. Is there a way to get this information? Thanks!

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Mailman-web stop responding.
by Paul Rubin April 17, 2024

April 17, 2024

I was trying to administrate a list and discovered that mailman-web was unresponsive. I have tried stopping and restarting it. The error logs update for the startup, but not when anything connects to localhost:8000. The last entry in uwsgi.log was two hours ago and nothing has been added since. I tried both lynx http://localhost:8000 and telnet to http://localhost 8000 and GET request instantly closes the port and logs nothing. As far as I can tell both mailman and postgres are working fine. This is what logs on startup. ==> uwsgi-error.log <== *** Starting uWSGI 2.0.22 (64bit) on [Sun Apr 14 10:45:51 2024] *** compiled with version: 13.2.1 20230912 [revision b96e66fd4ef3e36983969fb8cdd1956f551a074b] on 05 October 2023 13:37:28 os: Linux-6.5.4-1-default #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed Sep 20 05:07:04 UTC 2023 (fdd7e9e) nodename: mail.rubinsoftware.com machine: x86_64 clock source: unix detected number of CPU cores: 4 current working directory: / detected binary path: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi !!! no internal routing support, rebuild with pcre support !!! your processes number limit is 15246 your memory page size is 4096 bytes detected max file descriptor number: 1024 lock engine: pthread robust mutexes thunder lock: disabled (you can enable it with --thunder-lock) uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8000 fd 8 Python version: 3.11.5 (main, Aug 31 2023, 07:57:41) [GCC] PEP 405 virtualenv detected: /opt/mailman/venv/ Set PythonHome to /opt/mailman/venv/ Python main interpreter initialized at 0x7f2c3d709d58 python threads support enabled your server socket listen backlog is limited to 100 connections your mercy for graceful operations on workers is 60 seconds mapped 250128 bytes (244 KB) for 4 cores *** Operational MODE: preforking+threaded *** added /etc/mailman3/ to pythonpath. WSGI app 0 (mountpoint='') ready in 0 seconds on interpreter 0x7f2c3d709d58 pid: 16064 (default app) *** uWSGI is running in multiple interpreter mode *** spawned uWSGI master process (pid: 16064) spawned uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 16065, cores: 2) spawned uWSGI worker 2 (pid: 16067, cores: 2) [uwsgi-daemons] spawning "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster" (uid: 72 gid: 67) 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster white-green-ten-mobile starting. 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 16072 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 16073 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 monitoring at 16074 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster white-green-ten-mobile 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 pushing tasks at 16075 14:45:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster white-green-ten-mobile running. What should I do to diagnose further?

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ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'xapian_backend'
by Ron / BCLUG April 17, 2024

April 17, 2024

I had a working mailman3, tore it down, switched to PostgreSQL (from MySQL), and now everything is working, except: mailman-web update_index and mailman-web update_index_one_list They fail with: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'xapian_backend' I rebuilt and re-installed xapian: (venv) mailman@mail:~$ echo $XAPIAN_VERSION 1.4.25 (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip list | grep -i xapian xapian 1.4.25 Any ideas? Thanks! rb

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mailman3 digest sending questions and also adding docker to the mix
by bob B April 17, 2024

April 17, 2024

So I have been down the digest rabbit hole. So to confirm my assumptions/findings: Digest size threshold---- means when the total size of held messages hits this setting, a digest is sent Digest Volume Frequency. ---- specifies when the digest volume number gets incremented for digest messages, IT DOES NOT send out digests based on the setting, daily, weekly ... So what does the GUI setting "Send Digest Periodically yes no" do? how periodically does it send digests, if this is set to yes? If I want to send a digest out for a list every day, or every week, how do I set that, especially in the docker environment? Is this something that can be configured in the GUI and configured by each of my list admins? I found that ”'mailman digests --periodic' via cron” should be set in googling, but does that mean I have to do a cron job for any list that wants a scheduled digest sent? My use case is, that I have a list admin who set a size threshold, but regardless of that, they also want their list digest sent out daily, they thought it was the "Digest Volume Frequency" setting but that is not correct. However in their testing they are not getting daily digest, they are getting digests only when the threshold is reached, BUT they have "Send Digest Periodically" set to "yes" and "Enable Digests" is set to "yes"

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hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index
by Ben Harris April 13, 2024

April 13, 2024

hello there, i migrated to a new host last night and i've been getting this error from a cronjob mail every minute. anyone have any ideas what would cause this? ERROR 2019-04-17 14:26:33,056 27205 hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index: ord() expected a character, but string of length 0 found Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 186, in run_with_lock fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 87, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 276, in update_backend last_max_pk=max_pk) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 97, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 178, in update self.setup() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 126, in setup self.index = self.storage.open_index(schema=self.schema) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/filedb/filestore.py", line 176, in open_index return indexclass(self, schema=schema, indexname=indexname) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 421, in __init__ TOC.read(self.storage, self.indexname, schema=self._schema) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 632, in read check_size("int", _INT_SIZE) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 626, in check_size sz = stream.read_varint() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/filedb/structfile.py", line 191, in read_varint return read_varint(self.read) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/util/varints.py", line 102, in read_varint b = ord(readfn(1)) thanks, ben

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Error -- postorius Un-handled exception
by Mark April 12, 2024

April 12, 2024

Hi All, I've just installed MM3 on a fresh Debian 12 using the Virtualenv method. (venv)...$ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0] Postorius Version 1.3.10 After creating a couple of lists, the lists are shown in the table on the "Mailing lists" webpage as they should, but clicking on any of the listnames returns an error page: Something went wrong HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} And the Mailman log is a mystery to me, and no error is reported in the Nginx log ... # tail -f /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log ERROR 2024-01-24 05:41:46,327 51799 postorius Un-handled exception: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 103, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/views/generic.py", line 76, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 142, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 359, in get and 'hyperkitty' in archivers # noqa: W504 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "<frozen _collections_abc>", line 780, in __contains__ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 146, in __getitem__ return self._get(key) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 88, in _get return self.rest_data[key] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 74, in rest_data response, content = self._connection.call(self._url) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 160, in call raise HTTPError(params.get('url'), response.status_code, urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} ERROR 2024-01-24 05:41:46,333 51799 django.request Internal Server Error: /postorius/lists/testing.example.com/ ERROR 2024-01-24 05:41:46,333 51799 django.request Internal Server Error: /postorius/lists/testing.example.com/ Could anyone steer me in the right direction for fixing this? Thanks, Mark

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Sibling lists in Mailman3
by Markus Grandpre April 10, 2024

April 10, 2024

Dear list, after I migrated a list from Mailman21 to Mailman3 I missed the Mailman21 setting "regular_include_lists" (or something similar) in Mailman3. How are sibling lists treated in Mailman3? Thank you in advance for your answers. Best Markus -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Requesting help with a turnkey mailman installation
by biobee7＠gmail.com April 7, 2024

April 7, 2024

Hello Everyone! If you can install mailman turnkey on my server - email me biobee7(a)gmail.com

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Warning on EL8: django-mailman 1.3.12 prefers Django 4.2 which requires Maria DB>10.4
by Jered Floyd April 4, 2024

April 4, 2024

A heads-up for anyone else on RHEL 8, because the error is mystifying. django-mailman 1.3.12 bumps the preferred django version from 4.1 to 4.2. Django 4.2 requires MariaDB 10.4 or later. RHEL 8 has full lifecycle support for MariaDB 10.3. For some reason I haven't yet been able to identify, this causes pyMySQL integrations to fail with the mysterious error: django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: mysqlclient 1.4.3 or newer is required; you have 1.4.6. (Yes, Database.version_info contains "(1, 4, 2, 'final', 0)" while Database.version contains "1.4.6" and I am totally stumped where that 1.4.2 is coming from as it appears... nowhere.) Bypassing that error check gives the more informative: django.db.utils.NotSupportedError: MariaDB 10.4 or later is required (found 10.3.39). Doing a pip install with django\<4.2 works. This is not ideal since 4.1 is past LTS, so I would recommend that Mailman systems be migrated to RHEL 9. --Jered

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Question: What happens if I delete a user from all lists and that user is sole owner of some list?
by David Partain April 3, 2024

April 3, 2024

Hi, One of the great things about our new installation compared with our old is the ability to manage users via https://our.wee.domain/postorius/users I might have been able to manage them using the command line on the old installation, but there is no 'mailman delmembers' on that box. Since I now have this Mighty Power, I want to use it to clean up. There are many users who should no longer be on the system, so I want to run something along the lines of: mailman delmembers --member some(a)email.address --fromall \ --no-goodbye-msg --no-admin-notify or, if I'm feeling brave, something like this. mailman delmembers --file somefile --fromall \ --no-goodbye-msg --no-admin-notify My question is: If one of these users is the sole owner of a list, what will happen? Will the user be deleted and that list now owner-less? Will mailman refuse to delete that user until I add a new owner? Thanks in advance for your feedback. Cheers, David

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Help with mailman2 to mailman3 archive migration
by francisco.lopezayuso＠sib.swiss April 2, 2024

April 2, 2024

Hello all, I'm having some issues with a migration I'm performing right now from our old mailman2 server to a mailman3 one. The mailing lists imports work fine, but the archives seems to work sometimes: This means that some lists archives appear but others are missing when browsing the archives in the web UI. This happens despite the command line telling me that the import went fine. Here are the steps I run for the archives: # Copy the archives into the my new server # Cleaning old archives, where $LIST is my mailing list name $ /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/contrib/check_hk_import /opt/mailman3/archives/private/"$LIST".mbox/"$LIST".mbox $ /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/contrib/cleanarch3 /opt/mailman3/archives/private/"$LIST".mbox/"$LIST ".mbox # Importing the archives $ mailman-web hyperkitty_import -l "$LIST(a)my.domain.com" /opt/mailman3/archives/private/"$LIST".mbox/"$LIST".mbox # Indexing the new archive $ mailman-web update_index_one_list "$LIST(a)my.domain.com" Here is also an example log of an archive I'm migrating that does not appear in the UI, for reference (list and domain were renamed for privacy): $ mailman-web hyperkitty_import -l my_list(a)domain.com --since=1900-01-01 /opt/mailman3/archives/private/my_list.mbox/my_list.mbox Importing from mbox file /opt/mailman3/archives/private/my_list.mbox/my_list.mbox to my_list(a)domain.com Computing thread structure Synchronizing properties with Mailman Adding admin as owner of MailingList: my_list.lists.domain.com 2070 emails left to refresh, checked 1000 2070 emails left to refresh, checked 2000 Warming up cache The full-text search index is not updated for this list. It will not be updated by the 'minutely' incremental update job. To update the index for this list, run the Django admin command with arguments 'update_index_one_list my_list(a)domain.com'. $ mailman-web update_index_one_list my_list(a)domain.com Indexing 22 emails Any help would be greatly appreciated, I'm very lost here... Cheers,

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Mailman stops processing....... where to start looking for root cause?
by bob B April 2, 2024

April 2, 2024

Today was the 2nd time mailman stopped sending out mail, it receives mail but sends nothing out. To resolve the issue I restarted the mailman services and then all the incoming/queued mail was sent out... last time this happened was 21 days ago.... Before that, it has been rock solid for years. We are running in a docker environment with no recent changes. On the host in /var/log/maillog, I see the mail coming in and going to mailman in docker. for docker, the mailman logs are in /opt/mailman/core/var/logs in /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/smtp.log ---------- I see the messages coming in /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/debug.log ------------ is empty /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/mailman.log -------------- I do not see anything that looks like it had an issue So where can I look to try to determine a cause? If it happens again, what and where can I cook to troubleshoot before restarting the service? Thanks

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Seeking help completing a useful installation
by Hugh Esco March 30, 2024

March 30, 2024

I have more fully documented where I am at with this attempt to build a working installation of mm3 at this link: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/73 My questions include: - the template for /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg, defines vardir, but no DATA_DIR. See test failure #1 (closed) <http:///mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/1>, above. Where does that want to be? Any issue with putting the mm3.db next to the mm3_web.db at /opt/mailman/mm/var/data? - there are two possible virtualenv's in my build: (a) /opt/mailman/venv/ and (b) /opt/mailman/.pyenv/. I say more about these below. Which do I want to use in this instance? I'm guessing the latter where the mailman3 libraries are published, but have doubts. The link above urges a dependency on python ^3.11, but bookworm provides only python 3.8, so I used pyenv to satisfy the requirement. It wanted to deploy to its own path, though perhaps there is some switch which would consolidate everything under /opt/mailman/venv/. I do not work with python enough to know. - attempts to run bin/mailman-web startapp mm3web fail to add any new processes to the process list. bin/mailman-web start fails with errors. What change of state to the server should I expect from running this command? How do I test for success? If startapp is the correct invocation, what argument does it want on a working installation? - having run the command in the previous point, I see nothing in the browser except for the apache starter page at the root path '/'. None of the paths defined in the apache2 configuration seem to offer any joy. I assume that uwsgi wants to proxy the requests to a running mailman-web service somehow, but that no such service is found. I see one hopeful line in the log at: /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log "GET /3.1/lists?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" - I assume that once I get apache2 wired to a running application through the uwsgi proxy, that I can proceed to create an admin user, use it to explore the web gui, and begin to consider how to migrate my legacy mm2.1 lists into the new installation. Any further help crossing the finish line would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Hugh

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Disabling the footer on a mailing list: Is this how?
by David Partain March 28, 2024

March 28, 2024

Hi, I regularly get requests from users to disable footers since they use email clients that simply show an attached text file. Yes, I know that's broken. I never got this working with my old broken installation. Since we're now running a shiny new version of mailman3, I thought I'd give it a go again. From what I've read, I thought the following would do the trick: # sudo -u mailman -s /usr/bin/bash $ source /local/mailman/venv/bin/activate $ cd ~/var/templates/ $ mkdir -p lists/test-list.our.domain/en/ $ cp /dev/null "lists/test-list.our.wee.domain/en/list:member:regular:footer" However, sending mail to test-list(a)our.wee.domain<mailto:test-list@our.wee.domain> still includes the footer. What am I missing? Do I need to restart something? Did I misunderstand what I've read? With kind regards, David

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See list of subscribers
by Tom Yates March 27, 2024

March 27, 2024

I'm sure I'm just doing something stupid, but I can't work out what. I have a list, as admin under "Settings" -> "List Identity" -> "Members List Visibility" I have it set to "Only Mailinglist Members". But a random subscriber, who's signed up and authenticated, when she visits the list page she sees her subscription, but no option to list the other subscribers. Is she looking in the wrong place? Do I need to open up more settings? Am I just being an idiot? Thanks for any light anyone can shed. -- Tom Yates - https://www.teaparty.net

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Hyperkitty on Debian 12
by Markus Grandpre March 27, 2024

March 27, 2024

Dear list members, when following the instructions to migrate list archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3 (see [1]), I face the following problem: # python3 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l mailman21-migration-test-04 /var/mailman21/testlist.mbox python3: can't open file '/var/mailman21/manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory and have no clue, where to find the right <manage.py> file. The command dpkg returns: # dpkg -l | grep hyperkitty ii python3-django-hyperkitty 1.3.7-1 all Web user interface to access GNU Mailman3 archives In </etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py> I find: INSTALLED_APPS = ( 'hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', ... Can you please help me? Thank you in advance? Best, Markus [1] <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html> -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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