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Getting connection refused on postfix trying to connect to mailman-core:lmtp
by Dmitry Makovey Oct. 6, 2017

Oct. 6, 2017

I've got a setup where postfix runs inside one VM(container) and mailman runs inside another one (maxking containers). I've wired everything according to docs yet I'm getting: postfix/lmtp[266]: 66A72800A87: to=<somelist(a)lists.here.stanford.edu>, relay=none, delay=0.5, delays=0.48/0.01/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mailman-01.stanford.edu[1.2.3.4]:8024: Connection refused) is it something I'm missing on mailman side or postfix side (like this post suggests: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/365 )? Note: I've configured TLS on postfix side but none on mailman side. Is that the issue? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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WSGI configuration
by Loring Oct. 5, 2017

Oct. 5, 2017

So I am starting to install mailman3 and following the documentation and am up to the point of configuring the wsgi. The docs give me a config to use (see below) [uwsgi] # Port on which uwsgi will be listening. http-socket = 0.0.0.0:8000 # Move to the directory wher the django files are. chdir = /path-to-django-project-directory/ # Use the wsgi file provided with the django project. wsgi-file = wsgi.py # Setup default number of processes and threads per process. master = true process = 2 threads = 2 # Drop privielges and don't run as root. uid = 1000 gid = 1000 # Setup the django_q related worker processes. attach-daemon = ./manage.py qcluster # Setup the request log. req-logger = file:/path-to-logs/logs/uwsgi.log # Log cron seperately. logger = cron file:/path-to-logs/logs/uwsgi-cron.log log-route = cron uwsgi-cron # Log qcluster commands seperately. logger = qcluster file:/path-to-logs/logs/uwsgi-qcluster.log log-route = qcluster uwsgi-daemons # Last log and it logs the rest of the stuff. logger = file:/path-to-logs/logs/uwsgi-error.log Where does this config go? Does in go in the mailman3.cfg? Any help would be appreciated. -- Richmond Loring rloring(a)bnl.gov Advanced Systems Engineer

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Mailman core: basic internationalization howto?
by Thor Atle Rustad Oct. 5, 2017

Oct. 5, 2017

I would like to use Norwegian in the welcome/subscribe/unsubscribe/confirm etc messages from mailman3. For my current project I want all future mailing lists to have Norwegian as default. I find some sporadic info on the subject, but it's fair to say that I would like some simple instructions (e.g. what to copy from where to where, and which configs to change).

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Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode'
by Henrik Rasmussen Oct. 3, 2017

Oct. 3, 2017

When held mails are released in Mailman (maybe also mails which are not held) they are sometimes not sent nor archived, as mentioned in https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… One of my list admins reported that he released two mails on Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 UTC, and only the first was sent to the members. In the mailman.log I found the following from that particular release: Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar HTTP/1.1" 200 353 Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) held message approved, message-id: <CAF9K74uk331j91PfF6S1nQT2YvxywwhUFBWBBcdMGkNMMU4=TA(a)somemail.com> Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "POST /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/held/40 HTTP/1.1" 204 0 Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) held message approved, message-id: <804D10D40C57024A90412246998CB72D873B794B(a)P1KITMBX07WC04.mailserver> Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "POST /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/held/42 HTTP/1.1" 204 0 Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/held?count=0&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Sep 25 07:20:48 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/held?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (28) HyperKitty archived message <CAF9K74uk331j91PfF6S1nQT2YvxywwhUFBWBBcdMGkNMMU4=TA(a)somemail.com> to https://listserver.foo.bar/hyperkitty/list/listname@foo.bar/message/IAKWSH7… Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar HTTP/1.1" 200 353 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/config HTTP/1.1" 200 2473 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar HTTP/1.1" 200 353 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 613 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/roster/moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 617 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar HTTP/1.1" 200 353 Sep 25 07:20:53 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/requests HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Sep 25 07:20:56 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar HTTP/1.1" 200 353 Sep 25 07:20:56 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 613 Sep 25 07:20:56 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/roster/moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 617 Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/config HTTP/1.1" 200 2473 Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/archivers HTTP/1.1" 200 81 Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname.foo.bar/archivers HTTP/1.1" 200 81 Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (36) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/lists/listname(a)foo.bar/requests HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode' Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 53, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/subject_prefix.py", line 174, in process mlist, msgdata, subject, prefix, prefix_pattern, ws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/subject_prefix.py", line 72, in all_same_charset chunks.append(chunk.decode(charset)) AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode' Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) SHUNTING: 1506324057.584686+a13cc47dc1027a0cfb00c892396b3ba7efabb3dc In addition, the log contains other trace backs that might or might not associate to this problem: Sep 24 21:11:27 2017 (34) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\udcea' in position 3093: ordinal not in range(128) Sep 24 21:11:28 2017 (34) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 86, in deliver refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/bulk.py", line 101, in deliver mlist, msg, msgdata, recipients) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 70, in _deliver_to_recipients sender, sorted(recipients), msg.as_string()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/connection.py", line 84, in sendmail results = self._connection.sendmail(envsender, recipients, msgtext) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/smtplib.py", line 855, in sendmail msg = _fix_eols(msg).encode('ascii') UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\udcea' in position 3093: ordinal not in range(128) Sep 24 21:11:28 2017 (34) SHUNTING: 1506287488.0529234+cbf8a31cad265a40a18e8955be0c9ad8b48a1b66 ...¨ Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode' Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 53, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/subject_prefix.py", line 174, in process mlist, msgdata, subject, prefix, prefix_pattern, ws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/handlers/subject_prefix.py", line 72, in all_same_charset chunks.append(chunk.decode(charset)) AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode' Sep 25 07:20:57 2017 (35) SHUNTING: 1506324057.584686+a13cc47dc1027a0cfb00c892396b3ba7efabb3dc ... Sep 25 09:19:58 2017 (30) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 420, in _step_send_confirmation raise StopIteration StopIteration ... Sep 26 09:21:07 2017 (36) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 217, in _step_sanity_checks MemberRole.member) mailman.interfaces.member.AlreadySubscribedError: sender(a)foo.bar is already a MemberRole.member of mailing list listname(a)listserver.foo.bar ... Sep 26 13:32:29 2017 (30) Uncaught runner exception: Sep 26 13:32:29 2017 (30) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/command.py", line 196, in _dispose mlist, msg, msgdata, parts, results) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/eml_confirm.py", line 53, in process mlist).confirm(token) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 540, in confirm PendableUnsubscription.PEND_TYPE) AssertionError ... Sep 27 13:23:02 2017 (32) Uncaught runner exception: 'content-transfer-encoding' Sep 27 13:23:02 2017 (32) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 86, in deliver refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/bulk.py", line 101, in deliver mlist, msg, msgdata, recipients) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 70, in _deliver_to_recipients sender, sorted(recipients), msg.as_string()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 158, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 272, in _handle_multipart g.flatten(part, unixfrom=False, linesep=self._NL) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 358, in _handle_message g.flatten(msg.get_payload(0), unixfrom=False, linesep=self._NL) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 189, in _write msg.replace_header('content-transfer-encoding', munge_cte[0]) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 558, in replace_header raise KeyError(_name) KeyError: 'content-transfer-encoding' Sep 27 13:23:02 2017 (32) SHUNTING: 1506518582.300981+aa68949ca566c7170a81a0bd643cee803f29c312

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The msgtext argument in 'self._connection.sendmail(envsender, recipients, msgtext)' is supposed to be a string containing only ascii characters.
by Henrik Rasmussen Oct. 3, 2017

Oct. 3, 2017

Hi Mark. This was originally from another thread https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…, but as it isn't related to the problem in the thread, I'll split it in another thread. On 09/29/2017 05:46 AM Mark Sapiro wrote: >> In addition, the log contains other trace backs that might or might not associate to this problem: >> >> Sep 24 21:11:27 2017 (34) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\udcea' in position 3093: ordinal not in range(128) >> Sep 24 21:11:28 2017 (34) Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration >> self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file >> keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose >> self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 86, in deliver >> refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/bulk.py", line 101, in deliver >> mlist, msg, msgdata, recipients) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 70, in _deliver_to_recipients >> sender, sorted(recipients), msg.as_string()) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/connection.py", line 84, in sendmail >> results = self._connection.sendmail(envsender, recipients, msgtext) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/smtplib.py", line 855, in sendmail >> msg = _fix_eols(msg).encode('ascii') >> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\udcea' in position 3093: ordinal not in range(128) >> Sep 24 21:11:28 2017 (34) SHUNTING: 1506287488.0529234+cbf8a31cad265a40a18e8955be0c9ad8b48a1b66 > > > This may be a bug. The msgtext argument in > 'self._connection.sendmail(envsender, recipients, msgtext)' is supposed > to be a string containing only ascii characters. I'm interested in > what's in Mailman's > var/queue/shunt/1506287488.0529234+cbf8a31cad265a40a18e8955be0c9ad8b48a1b66.pck. > You may be able to print the contents with Mailman's > > bin/mailman queue > var/queue/shunt/1506287488.0529234+cbf8a31cad265a40a18e8955be0c9ad8b48a1b66.pck > > There shouldn't be raw unicodes like \udcea in the text of the message, > but we should defend against that anyway. [root@lstapp01pl ~]# docker exec -it mailman-core mailman qfile var/queue/shunt/1506287488.0529234+cbf8a31cad265a40a18e8955be0c9ad8b48a1b66.pck [----- start pickle -----] <----- start object 1 -----> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 100, in main args.func(args) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_qfile.py", line 81, in process printer.pprint(obj) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/pprint.py", line 139, in pprint self._format(object, self._stream, 0, 0, {}, 0) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/pprint.py", line 176, in _format stream.write(rep) UnicodeEncodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't encode character '\udcea' in position 3025: surrogates not allowed -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk> University of Copenhagen, Danmark

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Something wrong with my Hyperkitty base_url?
by Andrew Hodder Oct. 2, 2017

Oct. 2, 2017

Finally have everything stood up and working, except for HyperKitty mailman plugin. I'm getting a path issue of sorts I can see in the archiver.log (have it set to debug log level in the mailman core): Oct 02 19:12:37 2017 (8144) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv3/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty-1.0.2-py3.4.egg/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File "/opt/mailman/venv3/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty-1.0.2-py3.4.egg/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 210, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: <h1>Not Found</h1><p>The requested URL /archives/api/mailman/archive was not found on this server.</p> My base_url in the mailman-hyperkitty.cfg: base_url: http://localhost:8002/archives I've tried changing localhost to the FQDN but that just gives different errors (where it can't even attempt to exchange the secret, so I know at least that part is working. Just this '/archives/api/mailman/archive' path I'm head scratching at. I've tried removing the /archives off the end, no change though. Any thoughts/help would be appreciated, thanks! Sincerely, Andrew Hodder Systems Administrator Support Operations, Afilias E-mail: drew(a)afilias.info Phone: +1 416.673.4164 Fax: +1 416.646.1541

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question about recommended postfix configuration
by Marc Sluiter Oct. 2, 2017

Oct. 2, 2017

Hi, im trying to setup mailman and have an issue: first my environment: - I’m running postfix etc with "mailcow-dockerized": https://mailcow.github.io/mailcow-dockerized-docs/ - I’m running mailman with "docker-mailman": https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ I got almost everything working besides confirm mails (see my other mail), but I had to use another postfix configuration than recommended, I’m wondering why the recommended way didn’t work. Sidenote: I’m not a postfix expert. This is recommended: transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains This didn’t work, all mails to mailman were rejected. Postfix did not even check the “local_recipient_maps”. After a lot of reading that made sense to me, because when I understand it correctly, “local_recipient_maps” is only checked for domains in “mydestinations”. And there I only have localhost. My first change then was to use “relay_recipient_maps” instead of “local_recipient_maps”, because the domains were also added to the relay configuration "relay_domains". That worked. But then I noticed warnings by postfix about having the same domain in “virtual_mailbox_domains” and “relay_domains”. Made sense again because I used the same domain in my “normal” mail setup (with “virtual_mailbox_domains”) and in mailman. So finally I ended up with adding the mailman files to “virtual_mailbox_domains” and “virtual_mailbox_maps” instead of “relay_domains” and “local_recipient_maps”. Do my findings and changes make sense to you? Or do I miss something important? Good thing is that at least “transport_maps” worked for whatever configuration I used :) Thanks and greetings, Marc

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default language ignored
by Marc Sluiter Oct. 2, 2017

Oct. 2, 2017

Hi, one last question for now: how do switch the language of the mails sent by mailman? I have this in my configuration, but without effect: [language.de] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.de] description: German [language.de] enabled: yes [mailman] default_language: de Is it also possible to change the language for a single list? Greetings, Marc

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Confirmation email bounces because of listname+something@example.com
by thor.rustad＠gmail.com Oct. 2, 2017

Oct. 2, 2017

I'm sure this is a small configuration error, but I have followed the instructions for mailman3 and postfix. Basically mailman works fine, but confirmation emails, when answered by the subscriber or would-be subscriber, fails because 'listname' (after the '+something' is stripped off) is not a local user. Also see my post to the postfix group: http://postfix.1071664.n5.nabble.com/address-extension-fails-for-mailman-td…. Mind you, the postfix local_recipient_maps=regexp:/path/postfix_lmtp will correctly match any of the lists, but once the <+something> is added to the listname, it fails. Note that I have configured a subdomain, klubb.domain.com, for my mailing lists. First, my postfix.cf: recipient_delimiter = + smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no append_dot_mydomain = no readme_directory = no smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mailer.example.com/cert.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mailer.example.com/privkey.pem smtpd_use_tls=yes smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_helo_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, smtpd_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_loglevel = 2 smtpd_tls_loglevel = 2 smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, defer_unauth_destination mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 172.19.199.0/24 <public.ip>/32 myhostname = mailer.example.com mydomain = example.com alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = mailer.example.com mydestination = klubb.$mydomain, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $myhostname, $mydomain relayhost = mailbox_size_limit = 0 inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all compatibility_level = 2 transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no propagate_unmatched_extensions = canonical, virtual, alias, forward, include Here is the line in postfix mail.log where the valid listname+token is rejected: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-lf0-f43.google.com[209.85.215.43]: 550 5.1.1 <abcliste-confirm+79ecdc9fe57e086b8e1335299ef5255d156b72db(a)klubb.example.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<me(a)mydomain.com> to=<abcliste-confirm+79ecdc9fe57e086b8e1335299ef5255d156b72db(a)klubb.example.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-lf0-f43.google.com> Any help will be appreciated.

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Confirmation email bounces because of listname+something@example.com
by Thor Atle Rustad Oct. 2, 2017

Oct. 2, 2017

I'm sure this is a small configuration error, but I have followed the instructions for mailman3 and postfix. Basically mailman works fine, but confirmation emails, when answered by the subscriber or would-be subscriber, fails because 'listname' (after the '+something' is stripped off) is not a local user. Also see my post to the postfix group: http://postfix.1071664.n5.nabble.com/address-extension-fails-for-mailman-td… . Mind you, the postfix local_recipient_maps=regexp:/path/postfix_lmtp will correctly match any of the lists, but once the <+something> is added to the listname, it fails. Note that I have configured a subdomain, klubb.domain.com, for my mailing lists. First, my postfix.cf: recipient_delimiter = + smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no append_dot_mydomain = no readme_directory = no smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mailer.example.com/cert.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/letsencrypt/live/mailer.example.com/privkey.pem smtpd_use_tls=yes smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_helo_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, smtpd_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_security_level = may smtp_tls_loglevel = 2 smtpd_tls_loglevel = 2 smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, defer_unauth_destination mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 172.19.199.0/24 <public.ip>/32 myhostname = mailer.example.com mydomain = example.com alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = mailer.example.com mydestination = klubb.$mydomain, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $myhostname, $mydomain relayhost = mailbox_size_limit = 0 inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all compatibility_level = 2 transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no propagate_unmatched_extensions = canonical, virtual, alias, forward, include Here is the line in postfix mail.log where the valid listname+token is rejected: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-lf0-f43.google.com[209.85.215.43]: 550 5.1.1 < abcliste-confirm+79ecdc9fe57e086b8e1335299ef5255d156b72db(a)klubb.example.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=< me(a)mydomain.com> to=< abcliste-confirm+79ecdc9fe57e086b8e1335299ef5255d156b72db(a)klubb.example.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-lf0-f43.google.com> Any help will be appreciated. Thor

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"Private archives" aren't private
by Simon Liebold Sept. 29, 2017

Sept. 29, 2017

Hello, #129 says that private lists are visible in the archive overview only but "archives aren't displayed". However, I can browse a private list's archives and read the mail text while not logged in. Shouldn't the private archive be hidden from anonymous users? Simon

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"spoofing" mailing list address
by Dmitry Makovey Sept. 29, 2017

Sept. 29, 2017

Hi, We're trying to migrate from 2.1.x to 3.1. In the process we want to modify old setup in which mailing lists were part of our normal mail domain (so both user accounts and ML would be under @x.stanford.edu) in new scenario we want to move ML into @lists.x.stanford.edu, yet preserve addressing compatibility with old naming scheme. To that end we thought of making following setup: list(a)x.stanford.edu -postfix:alias-> list(a)lists.x.stanford.edu however in this setup users will receive mail from the "unknown" domain for them so any filtering they've done will break. Is there a configuration change we can make for those old ML to spoof old ML emails? so they would look as if they came from list(a)x.stanford.edu ? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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Mailman only send some release messages to the subscribers
by Henrik Rasmussen Sept. 28, 2017

Sept. 28, 2017

I have three list admins each maintaining one list, thus three lists: E, H and S. All reports that some mails they release from Held messages are sent, some isn't. In the logs (Mailman smtp.log and postfix log I can confirm that at least one of the lists (E) sent out another message to 559 recips at Sep 26 09:31:12 201 (UTC+2) so something is working. The admin of list E explains that she have released mails that came out, but some mails isn't sent when she reases them. Among others a mail she released Sep 26 09:38. I can also see in the Mailman Postfix log that Mailman received a mail from the Admin's e-mail address sender(a)foo.bar. Sep 26 09:38:49 postfix postfix/smtpd[5527]: D8E6D1109026: client=gateway[172.19.199.1] Sep 26 09:38:49 postfix postfix/cleanup[6076]: D8E6D1109026: message-id=<E7657360D6CFE64DBAC4E5D158511918873690FB(a)mailserver.foo.bar> Sep 26 09:38:49 postfix postfix/qmgr[139]: D8E6D1109026: from=<sender(a)foo.bar>, size=19589, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 26 09:38:49 postfix postfix/lmtp[6077]: D8E6D1109026: to=<s(a)listserver.foo.bar>, relay=172.19.199.2[172.19.199.2]:8024, delay=0.03, delays=0.01/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Sep 26 09:38:49 postfix postfix/qmgr[139]: D8E6D1109026: removed I cannot find the mail-id in the Mailman smtp.log, however in the smtp.log I found that the mail was received Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) Peer: ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) handling connection Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Data: b'LHLO mailgateway.foo.bar' Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<sender(a)foo.bar>' Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) sender: sender(a)foo.bar Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Data: b'RCPT TO:<s(a)listserver.foo.bar>' Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) recip: s(a)listserver.foo.bar Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Data: b'DATA' Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) Data: b'QUIT' Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) ('172.19.199.5', 49238) connection lost Sep 26 09:38:49 2017 (32) Connection lost during _handle_client() I don't see any release of the held mail not that it was sent out. Two hours later I see a a log message about a notification mail to the admin that another mail had been held, but not anything about the released mail neither in thge smtp.log nor the postfix log. I don't know why it only works sometimes. -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk<mailto:her@adm.ku.dk>> University of Copenhagen, Danmark

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mailman-cli tools
by Dmitry Makovey Sept. 27, 2017

Sept. 27, 2017

I've come across mailman-cli docs: http://mailman-cli.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailmanclient/cli/docs/usin… yet I cannot figure out what's the official source for the installation. Rabbit hole of links lead me to https://github.com/rajeevs1992/mailmancli which suggests: sudo pip install mailman.client and that doesn't work. I also did: pip install mailmanclient in hopes that it comes with CLI tools, but it looks like it is only the library. Am I looking in wrong places or is it that mailman3 cli tools are "not there"? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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HyperKitty: Thread matching query does not exist
by C. R. Oldham Sept. 26, 2017

Sept. 26, 2017

Greetings, I have an active list for which I am trying to debug some deliverability issues. When a user tells me that folks aren't getting their postings, I check the archives first. In this case, I am getting a traceback saying "thread matching query does not exist" when I try to go to the HyperKitty page for the list. How can I debug this? I am using Mailman 3 via the Docker containers documented here: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ The container versions appear to be 0.1. --cro

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Upgrade path
by David Krantz Sept. 23, 2017

Sept. 23, 2017

Hi. I currently run MM3.0 based on the old bundle installation. It seems to work just fine although with a number of minor and major annoyances that probably have been fixed now. What is the rekommended way to upgrade to the newest version? (newest _usable_ version, of course)? Is it docker-only with a migration from the current solution to a docker based? If so, any ideas or pointers on how to go about this? Cheers // David

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mailman 3 adding extraneous /var/ to pid path?
by Andrew Hodder Sept. 21, 2017

Sept. 21, 2017

I'm not sure if this is a bug, or if I've configured something I'm unable to find doing this. But when I'm attempting to stop my mailman3 process, I keep getting an extra /var/ appending into the pid path, so it never finds the PID to terminate. Here are some examples, run at different times, some with different -C configs to launch, all worked successfully to start, this is only a problem on the stop.: (venv3) [root@mailman3(on1) venv3]# mailman stop Shutting down Mailman's master runner PID unreadable in: /opt/mailman/venv3/var/master.pid [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/venv3/var/master.pid' Is the master even running? (venv3) [root@mailman3(on1) var]# mailman stop Shutting down Mailman's master runner PID unreadable in: /opt/mailman/var/var/master.pid [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/var/var/master.pid' (venv3) [root@mailman3(on1) var]# mailman stop Shutting down Mailman's master runner PID unreadable in: /opt/mailman/var/etc/var/var/master.pid [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/var/etc/var/var/master.pid' I keep getting around this by creating symlinks to the pid file and then the stop works, but it's getting silly. It seems like mailman just assumes CWD + /var/ + master.pid must be the location. Once I realized this, I found I can do "mailman stop" so long as I'm only in /opt/mailman/ (since it'd then add /var/master.pid). But that seems a little nonsensical. Going to try my hand at using the environment variables MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE and MAILMAN_VAR_DIR, maybe that will sort this out. But if anyone can explain further, it'd be appreciated. Sincerely, Andrew Hodder Systems Administrator Support Operations, Afilias E-mail: drew(a)afilias.info Phone: +1 416.673.4164 Fax: +1 416.646.1541

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Change Base URI for Mailman 3.1
by Dmitry Makovey Sept. 21, 2017

Sept. 21, 2017

I'm tinkering with docker container of mailman 3.1 however I'm trying to utilize existing nginx server thus I need to map "/mailman" to mailman-web docker container vs default "/" mapping. Where do I configure base URI for mailman-web ? (quick search of archives and googling didn't yield any positive results thus far) -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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Mailman List Lost on URL transfer
by heartsandbones＠zoho.com Sept. 20, 2017

Sept. 20, 2017

Hello Mailman Forum! I hope you all can help me. I have been banging my head against this issue for weeks. Here’s the scoop: I did a web site redesign for a non-profit. They didn’t mention to me that they had a mailman list associated with the site. When we transferred the url to Squarespace their list quakers(a)sbfriends.org stopped functioning and the administration login link: http://mail.sbfriends.org/mailman/admin/quakers_sbfriends.org results in a “server not found” error. I don’t know how to set up the site so that their mailman list works again. Please tell me exactly what to do to make this work. Let me know if I can provide any additional information to help you help me. This is my first post to this forum, so I hope I’ve done so correctly. Thanks so much! Licity

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Log for outgoing e-mails
by Henrik Rasmussen Sept. 20, 2017

Sept. 20, 2017

Docker mailman 0.1.1 Where is outgoing e-mails logged? Where can I see who it was sent to? On my test list I subscribed a new member (say recipient(a)hotmail.com) using Mass operation subscription. From another e-mail, not subscribed to the list (say sender(a)example.ku.dk) I sent a mail to the list which was held as expected. The message was logged in /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/smtp.log. When I released the mail, the newcoming member recipient(a)hotmail.com received the mail as expected, but I don’t see any log messages that the mail was sent other than: Sep 20 11:50:52 2017 (34) <6DCC3E5DA06FE346B4DE4876C4F2713D019BB70E39(a)foo.bar> smtp to testlist(a)mailman3.ku.dk for 1 recips, completed in 0.052258968353271484 seconds Sep 20 11:50:52 2017 (34) <6DCC3E5DA06FE346B4DE4876C4F2713D019BB70E39(a)foo.bar> post to testlist(a)mailman3.ku.dk from sender(a)example.ku.dk, 13041 bytes -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk> University of Copenhagen, Danmark

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restrict sending to owner/moderator
by m.dohmen＠xconnect.de Sept. 20, 2017

Sept. 20, 2017

Hello, I'd like to restrict message acceptance on a per-list basis to the owner or moderator, so that simple subscribers cannot send messages to the list. But I don't want the owner/moderator having to moderate own messages, so the member setting "hold for moderation" in Postorius isn't applicable. Is there a way to do this?

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Deleting archives
by Henrik Rasmussen Sept. 14, 2017

Sept. 14, 2017

Docker-mailman 0.1: I have deleted some lists that I used for testing, but Hyperkitty seems to preserve the archives in the Available lists. Clicking on a list archive gets me to the archive of that list (with no posts because I haven't posted anything to the list). The URL is https://[WEBSITE]/hyperkitty/list/[LISTNAME](a)[LISTDOMAIN]/<https://[WEBSITE]/hyperkitty/list/%5bLISTNAME%5d(a)%5bLISTDOMAIN%5d/> (with a (a)), but when I click Manage subscription, the URI changes to https://[WEBSITE]/postorius/lists/[LISTNAME].[LIST<https://[WEBSITE]/postorius/lists/%5bLISTNAME%5d.%5bLIST>DOMAIN/ (with a dot instead of (a) which seems normal behavior) and I get a "Not Found The requested URL /postorius/lists/[LISTNAME]DOT[LISTDOMAIN]/ was not found on this server. " error. Of course I can't manage the subscription for a list I have deleted, but shouldn't the archive for a list be deleted along deleting the list. Henrik Rasmussen

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Installing mm3 with docker
by Tom Browder Sept. 10, 2017

Sept. 10, 2017

I am trying to follow instructions but when I get to the actual docker pull command (with trust enabled): # docker pull maxking/mailman-core:release I get an error message: No trust data for release I have tried adding various tags but no changes. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. -Tom

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Mailman 3 bounce handling and DKIM mitigation
by David Krantz Sept. 5, 2017

Sept. 5, 2017

Hi, I have a question on bounce handling. I get the impression that bounces are just lost and neither handled nor forwarded to the list admin. Is this a known problem? I am running mailman from git, but about version 3.1 and use postfix. I find lots of things in the bounceevents table. Is there any way to find out more on these events? I probably can configure postfix to send listname-bounce@domain to an admin adress. Or for that matter hack mailman to send it to the correct admin. Also the DKIM mitigation does not seem to detect DKIM domains. If I force the mitigation for all mails it works but that of course has annoying consequences although mostly cosmetic. This has caused quite a number of bounces for my lists (as well as being temporarily banned by at least Microsoft). I'm thinking of upgrading to a later version. What is the latest version that might be a good idea to install today? I install from gitlab. cheers // David

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Social Auth, howto?
by Claus-Justus Heine Sept. 2, 2017

Sept. 2, 2017

Hi, sorry, this seems to be a Django stuff, but how do I enable this social auth stuff? I get the following Fedora: gives me a login screen (ok) Yahoo: gives me a login screen and lots of commercials (ok) OpenId: gives me a possibility to sign up or in (ok) Github: internal server error 500, Django log: DoesNotExist: SocialApp matching query does not exist. Same with GitLab and Google. Ok, seemingly I need to do something to make it work, has anyone a link to some snippet of documentation of example setup? Thanks Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

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Moderation requests, dash-board link in notification?
by Claus-Justus Heine Sept. 2, 2017

Sept. 2, 2017

Hi there, I suppose this is rather a simple configuration issue. However, with Mailman v2 the moderator or list-owner was supplied with a link to the admin-site in the moderation-reminder. I suppose that this can also be very easily configured with v3? Of course, I know where my amdin-site is, but I am planning to deploy mm3 in a setting with educated dummy users which probably would rather first ask and only try to find out by themselves if they cannot find someone to ask. Cheers Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

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Funny responds to subscriptions emails
by Claus-Justus Heine Sept. 2, 2017

Sept. 2, 2017

Playing around with mailman3 I get funny responds from the list-manager to subscription requests. I have set up a "playground" list (guess why) and trying to subscribe via email. Basically, things work. However, the end-user (me) gets confusing responses. I would not care for myself, but ... What I did: send an Email > To: playground <playground-subscribe(a)lists.claus-justus-heine.de> > From: Claus-Justus Heine <Claus-Justus.Heine(a)IANS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> > Subject: Test So far so good. I get the expected confirmation email with subject confirm 3093b4 etc etc etc But I also get a second rather confusing email: > The results of your email command are provided below. > > - Original message details: > From: Claus-Justus Heine <Claus-Justus.Heine(a)IANS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> > Subject: Test > Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 22:24:08 +0200 > Message-ID: <44151460-05a8-4c35-e0d4-646efe3cf234(a)IANS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> > > - Results: > Confirmation email sent to Claus-Justus Heine <Claus-Justus.Heine(a)IANS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> > No such command: Test > No such command: --=20 > No such command: Claus-Justus > No such command: f=C3=BCr > No such command: Numerische > No such command: Stuttgart > No such command: +49 > No such command: +49 > > - Done. BTW, I also got the same confusing email when subscribing to mailman-users(a)mailman3.org (is attached). Can this be switched off? I don't care for myself, but if you think that this software is ready for production, then end-users should not receive such kind of """"things"""" Regards Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

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Mailman3 Docker question and importing lists from MM2
by Andrew Hodgson Sept. 2, 2017

Sept. 2, 2017

Hi, Started experimenting with the Docker images at https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/. I had a question regarding the parameter: SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN. I want to use multiple domains, what is the best way to specify multiple domains in this environment variable? I tried it without the environment set, and also with some variables like: SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN=['lists.domain.com', 'lists.domain2.com'] and SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN="lists.domain1.com", "lists.domain2.com" However I still only get the example.com site. Furthermore, is there a recommended way to get data from MM2 (list configs and archives) into MM3? Thanks. Andrew.

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Help request, almost got it going, but ....
by Claus-Justus Heine Sept. 2, 2017

Sept. 2, 2017

First: thanks for all those development work, I am aware of the fact that this is free software and most of the development probably happened in someones spare-time. I have some problems: - I tried to install mailman v3. "Read the (non) docs" was of little help, but I got to some partly success following the commands in the scripts in the docker image at https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman Things seemed to work out, I generated a test-list "Playground" and now I am just in the progress to click through all the configuration options in the the postorius Web-GUI. So far so good Now I read the "Message Acceptance" tab AND here is the problem: Seemingly, at some point in the deep dungeons of the source code the "Acceptable aliases" Text-Box is not interpreted correctly. Specifically, at the start it contains the string [] When then changing something int the "Message Acceptance" tab, an error shows up in the web-page (but no-where in the logs) "An error occured: []" and the bogus [] is restored. I tried to dig into the source code, and well, the data source of the text-field is an array or list of acceptable email-adresses. But seemingly finally at some point in the source code an empty list is not converted to the empty string, but to the string []. I can get rid of the error message "An error occured: []" by inserting an email-at '@' at just some place in the input box, this yields (clicking "Save changes" again and againg ...): [u"[u'@']"] [u'[u\'[u"[u\\\'@\\\']"]\']'] [u'[u\'[u\\\'[u\\\\\\\'[u"[u\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'@\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\']"]\\\\\\\']\\\']\']'] and so on. Unfortunately, I did not find the location of this bug, although I was finally able to add some "foobar" string to the already bogus web-output. Any help would be appreciated. BTW: * where is the bug-tracker for mailman3? * The documentation is really, well, close to non existent. Personally, I think the name of the URL "read-the-docs" is almost cynical. Guess I give up on it, it just does not seem to be ready for production. This was (following the docker stuff at githb) with Pythong3: mailman==3.1.0 mailman-hyperkitty==1.1.0 Python2: mailmanclient==3.1.0 postorius==1.1.0 hyperkitty==1.1.1 django-mailman3==1.1.0 Here I realize a slight version difference between the hyperkitty stuff. But this is a bug in postorius. So what. Thanks for any help, cheers Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

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Acceptable aliases defaults to []
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 30, 2017

Aug. 30, 2017

* Docker-mail 0.1.1 * Mailman 3.1 * Postorius 1.1.1 * Hyperkitty 1.1.1 Minor issues: Settings -> Message Acceptance -> Acceptable aliases has a default of [] resulting in "An error occured: [u'[]']" when saving. This fiend should be empty by default or at least accept the default when saving. To me the description right under the Acceptable aliases field is not user friendly. It doesn't explain the purpose of the field, but is meant for the Mailman sysadmin, not the list admin who can't be expected to understand this. A much better description would be the ones used for MM2: * http://www.list.org/mailman-admin/node23.html * https://wiki.list.org/DOC/What%20does%20%22message%20has%20implicit%20desti… On a second note: Where I can change the field and message descriptions in MM3, like the /usr/lib/mailman/messages/[sprog]/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po in MM2? -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk<mailto:her@adm.ku.dk>> Copenhagen, Danmark

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Moving mm2 mail archives to mm3
by Tom Browder Aug. 29, 2017

Aug. 29, 2017

Is there any way to move my old mm2 archives to mm3? Thanks. -Tom

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Only first message displayed... sometimes
by Cameron Smith Aug. 28, 2017

Aug. 28, 2017

(With the hope that someone on the list can help me diagnose this problem, I’m posting a copy of the HyperKitty issue that I opened a few days ago: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/151.) Testing MailMan3, installed using the Docker containers 0.1.1 (with HyperKitty 1.1.1): I have two lists with several discussions in each. The participants/comments stats for all discussions show multiple participants and multiple comments. (Note that the numbers are wrong, as discussed in #149.) However, when I open a discussion, some of them only display the first message. Others display all messages, one displays only some, but not all, of the messages. In one case, the discussion showed the top two messages, but when a new message was added, it briefly showed and then it and the second message suddenly disappeared, leaving only the first message. In another case, the discussion only showed the top message, but then, for no apparent reason, the rest of the messages appeared. —— I decided to start all over, removing the Docker containers and images, as well as the existing database... all gone. With the newly created system and database, I created two new lists and three member-subscribers. I then created new threads and added several messages to the new threads. The messages came from all three of the members and were entered via email and HyperKitty. One thread was created from within HyperKitty. All of the newly created threads are displaying the same behaviour: all of the subscribers received, via email, all of the messages, but only the first message of each thread is displayed in HyperKitty. Suggestions for how to trace/diagnose the problem would be appreciated. Cameron Smith

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Re: Which documentation to follow for installation
by Ruben Ibanez Aug. 28, 2017

Aug. 28, 2017

Hi Abhilash, Finally we decided to install Mailman through the docker images provided by you (https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman) The deployment was very quick, and it works flawlessly, so we will keep this solution. On the side I will try to deploy Mailman 3 through its independent modules, just for fun :) Many thanks! Cheers, R. From: "Abhilash Raj" <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> To: "Ruben Ibanez" <ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int> Cc: "mailman-users" <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:25:34 PM Subject: Re: [MM3-users] Which documentation to follow for installation On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:50:39 +0200 (CEST) Ruben Ibanez <ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int> wrote: > Hi Abhilash, > > Thanks for your reply. > > The point is, I think I'm missing something. I'm just a sysadmin who wants to deploy Mailman 3.x to be used for an operational environment, like any other software. Is this software actually ready for that? There are production environments running Mailman 3.1 right now if that is your questions, see https://lists.mailman3.org. Although, I guess you already saw that when subscribing to this list ;) > Of course, I'm not asking for .rpm, .deb, etc... because I understand that's > quite complex, but I tried it following all available guides, including the > Contributor's Guide, and it seems impossible to get it running at the first > time (or just to get it running) without getting crazy or fixing lots of > unexpected errors during installation. It would be helpful if you send in those errors here. It will help us debug your problem and also improve the guide for the people using it in future. One small problem about the configuration, off the top of my head, can cause some problems in the "Mailman Suite Installation" Guide[1]. I have that on my todo to fix. But, apart from that everything else should work! [1]: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html You would have to do some additional configuration for the web frontend to work and for the mail servers to talk to Mailman and Frontend separately, both of which is also mentioned in the documentation under "Configuring Mailman Core" and "Configure Web Frontend". Contributor's guide is not focused on deploying but just setting it up locally to play with and modify the source itself. > Have you tried to deploy Mailman 3.x strictly following the documentation? I think people have used it in past to successfully deploy Mailman 3.x, but without looking at the errors you are facing I don't have any clue as to why it doesn't work for you! > > By the way, many thanks for your hard work! > > Cheers, > RI > > > From: "Abhilash Raj" <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> > To: ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int > Cc: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:55:20 AM > Subject: Re: [MM3-users] Which documentation to follow for installation > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 09:40:37 -0000 > ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm trying to deploy Mailman 3.1, but it seems there isn't a clear place to > > look for documentation. I found two different sites: > > > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ > > Both of the above are actually latest documentation, > > docs.mailman3.org should be the one to look for installations guidelines for > the entire Mailman 3.x Suite, > > mailman.readthedocs.io is the documentation of Mailman 3 Core, which handles > the mail. > > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html > > This should be the best place to start, be sure to look at the Pre-Installation > Guide if you are new to the Python ecosystem. > > > > > Do you know which one should be followed? Both at the same time? I find it > > quite unclear... and this installation will be for an operational environment. > > > > Also, there are some (official?...) docker images, but all images are for > > mailman 3.0 but not mailman 3.1, and of course updates are not guaranteed. > > It is meant for Mailman 3.X series and is maintained by me. It currently > includes the latest releases for all the Mailman's sub-projects, also Mailman > 3.1. > > > Hope that helps! > > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email.

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Bounce processing
by Mark Ziranski Aug. 26, 2017

Aug. 26, 2017

Hello, I read that mailman3 supports 'bounce processing' but I do not know how to configure it. I want to delete members automatically from a mailing list if the delivery has failed after a certain time of attempts because his mailbox has been removed or his mail server has been shutdown etc. There is also the case that an users mailbox is full (mailbox limit exceeded). Is possible to deal with this case too? Thanks.

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HyperKitty misreporting statistics
by Cameron Smith Aug. 24, 2017

Aug. 24, 2017

Mailman 3, container images 0.1.1 HyperKitty 1.1.1 is showing incorrect numbers for the number of participants and the number of discussions. (All messages referred to below were submitted in August.) In one list, I have two threads. In one thread, I have three messages, each from a different email address, all submitted via email (as opposed to replying from within HyperKitty). The month page (clicking on “August”) of that list however, shows that thread as having one participant and no messages. Opening the list shows the same stats: “1 participants”, “0 comments”; all three messages are displayed. The other thread in the same list also shows one participant and no messages; it has two messages in it, one submitted via email, the other submitted via HyperKitty by a different subscriber. Opening the list shows both messages. The front page of that list shows zero participants and two discussions. A second list also has two threads with three email-submitted messages from different addresses. The monthly stats show one thread as having one participant and one message, the other as having one participant and zero messages. The front page shows one participant and one discussion. Cameron Smith

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Users, members, accounts and subscribers
by Cameron Smith Aug. 24, 2017

Aug. 24, 2017

Oh my! In an attempt to introduce a friend to MailMan3, I had her subscribe to a couple of lists that I set up and we exchanged a few messages via the email interface. Then I introduced her to the web interface and we were both confused when she could not log-in/sign-in and was told that her email address was not recognized. It was only later that I realized that while she was a subscriber, she hadn’t yet signed up for an account. What is the point of “accounts"? Why can someone become a subscriber, but not have an account? I find the user/member/subscriber explanation at http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/architecture.html to be very confusing. Cameron Smith

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Setting default Mailman admin (Django superuser) password in Docker-mailman
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 23, 2017

Aug. 23, 2017

I just upgraded to Docker-mailman 0.1.1 and prior to that for some reason I had to somewhat start over, deleting my database. At both on my first and second attempt I wondered what the Django admin password would be. According to https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/ and https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/blob/master/web/README.md, setting MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER and MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL in docker-compose.yaml will create a username for the admin user by default, but it doesn't mentioning setting a variable for the password. Creating a superuser using docker exec -it mailman-web python manage.py createsuperuser would normally request the password for the user indicated, but user "mailman" has already been registred. So to get to know the superuser password, I reset it using https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6358030/how-to-reset-django-admin-passw…. Why don't the installation guide on https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/ mention anything about how to set the password in the docker-compose.yaml file? -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk<mailto:her@adm.ku.dk>> Copenhagen, Danmark

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Possible bug in Mailman 3.1 (Docker-mailman 0.1)
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 21, 2017

Aug. 21, 2017

Mailman 3.1, docker-mailman 0.1 While I was trying to automate distribution of the files in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains I found what I think must be a bug. Adding a new mail list (or deleting one) _does_ update the Postfix files /opt/mailman/core/var/data/ ,but adding a new mail domain does not. This is OK. But deleting a mail domain that have lists associated to it * does not issue a warning other than "Are you sure you want to permanently delete this domain?" which is not different from deleting mail domains without lists associated to it. * the associated lists disappears both from the web interface Lists view and from the output of the "docker exec -it mailman-core mailman lists" command * the files in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/ is not updated even the lists is being deleted. 1. Deleting a mail domain with associated lists should issue a warning that it has lists associated to it. 2. The files in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/ should be updated according to the deleted lists / domains. 3. Actually I think it should be impossible to accidentally delete a mail domain with lists associated to it. Regards Henrik Rasmussen

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Re: Which documentation to follow for installation
by Ruben Ibanez Aug. 20, 2017

Aug. 20, 2017

Hi Abhilash, Thanks for your reply. The point is, I think I'm missing something. I'm just a sysadmin who wants to deploy Mailman 3.x to be used for an operational environment, like any other software. Is this software actually ready for that? Of course, I'm not asking for .rpm, .deb, etc... because I understand that's quite complex, but I tried it following all available guides, including the Contributor's Guide, and it seems impossible to get it running at the first time (or just to get it running) without getting crazy or fixing lots of unexpected errors during installation. Have you tried to deploy Mailman 3.x strictly following the documentation? By the way, many thanks for your hard work! Cheers, RI From: "Abhilash Raj" <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> To: ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int Cc: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:55:20 AM Subject: Re: [MM3-users] Which documentation to follow for installation On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 09:40:37 -0000 ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm trying to deploy Mailman 3.1, but it seems there isn't a clear place to > look for documentation. I found two different sites: > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ Both of the above are actually latest documentation, docs.mailman3.org should be the one to look for installations guidelines for the entire Mailman 3.x Suite, mailman.readthedocs.io is the documentation of Mailman 3 Core, which handles the mail. http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html This should be the best place to start, be sure to look at the Pre-Installation Guide if you are new to the Python ecosystem. > > Do you know which one should be followed? Both at the same time? I find it > quite unclear... and this installation will be for an operational environment. > > Also, there are some (official?...) docker images, but all images are for > mailman 3.0 but not mailman 3.1, and of course updates are not guaranteed. It is meant for Mailman 3.X series and is maintained by me. It currently includes the latest releases for all the Mailman's sub-projects, also Mailman 3.1. Hope that helps! -- thanks, Abhilash Raj This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email.

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Which documentation to follow for installation
by ribanez＠sciops.esa.int Aug. 19, 2017

Aug. 19, 2017

Hi everyone, I'm trying to deploy Mailman 3.1, but it seems there isn't a clear place to look for documentation. I found two different sites: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ Do you know which one should be followed? Both at the same time? I find it quite unclear... and this installation will be for an operational environment. Also, there are some (official?...) docker images, but all images are for mailman 3.0 but not mailman 3.1, and of course updates are not guaranteed. Thanks in advance! Regards, ribanez

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Issues with starting mailman 3 outside of a virtualenv
by Leon Aug. 16, 2017

Aug. 16, 2017

Hello, I wonder if this issue(https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/3) was fixed? I try to set up a mailing list on aws ec2(ubuntu). In the instruction( http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html) it doesn't require to install mailman in a virtual env. However, when I tried to run `mailman start`, it produces `/usr/bin/python3: can't open file '/usr/bin/master': [Errno 2] No such file or directory`. -- Best wishes, Leon

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Mailman3 on FreeBSD
by John Poltorak Aug. 14, 2017

Aug. 14, 2017

I'm trying to install Mailman3 on FreeBSD using http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html The install runs but 'mailman info' returns errors. Can anyone suggest where I should look to get this sorted out?

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Postgresql
by John Poltorak Aug. 13, 2017

Aug. 13, 2017

What is involved in setting up Postgres to store Mailman msgs?

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Mailman home
by John Poltorak Aug. 13, 2017

Aug. 13, 2017

I'm still in my early stages of getting Mailman 3 up and running, and am still not sure how and where it should be installed, but what I've noticed is that the Mailman subdirectory tree gets install in the current directory when running 'mailman list'... Is that would should happen?

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hyperkitty won't list more than 5 posts and shows empty grey Activity Summary box
by Cyprian Laskowski Aug. 11, 2017

Aug. 11, 2017

Hi, On our new installation of Mailman 3, which seems to be otherwise working fine (thanks!), the "More..." link doesn't work, such that the list continues to only show 5 posts, even though it's clear that hyperkitty is aware of more (if I click on August, for example). Also, nothing is shown in the grey box under Activity Summary (the <svg class="chart-data"> element), although I'm not sure what's supposed to be shown there. The public archived list is here: http://seznami.cjvt.si/hyperkitty/list/test@seznami.cjvt.si/. I'd appreciate any pointers. Regards, Cyprian

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Mailman3 on FreeBSD
by John Poltorak Aug. 11, 2017

Aug. 11, 2017

Has anyone managed to install Mailman 3 on FreeBSD?

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Telling Mailman/Hyperkitty where sass is
by Erin Justice Aug. 11, 2017

Aug. 11, 2017

Hi all, Another issue that's cropped up when I am trying to run Mailman 3 on apache. I've downloaded and installed Mailman core, Django, Postorius & Hyperkitty. I'm using the mailman-suite django project from https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master>. When I run the site using Django's development server everything works. However when I run the site from apache it's not finding sass. Specifically I'm getting errors like: FilterError at /accounts/login/ /bin/sh: sass: command not found I triple checked that sass is installed which sass /Applications/MAMP/Library/bin/sass /Applications/MAMP/Library/bin/ is in $PATH when I checked that and I was thinking that it maybe wasn't getting to python properly. However pprint(sys.path) contains the same items whether I start the site from the dev server or apache. Any pointers would be appreciated. -Erin

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Mailman container images v0.1.1
by Abhilash Raj Aug. 10, 2017

Aug. 10, 2017

Hi All, Version 0.1.1[1] of the container images are now available for download. There are several new changes that make working with the container easier. Please have a look at the release notes[1] for upgrading to this version. Most notable changes are: * Now you MUST specify SECRET_KEY environment variable that Django uses. The default value was removed to make sure people set a different value for each installation * Hyperkitty has been updated to latest 1.1.1 release * Mailman-web image has been moved to alpine 3.6 base image form Debain The NEWS[2] contains an exhaustive list of all the changes that has gone into this release. Thanks to all the contributors who contributed patches and reported issues for this new release! [1]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/releases/tag/v0.1.1 [2]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/NEWS.html -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Typo in List Creation screen
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 10, 2017

Aug. 10, 2017

There is a typo in the list creation screen in Mailman 3. The owner's address field says "Inital list owner address", which should be "Initial" with an extra 'i'. Regards Henrik Rasmussen

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Setup Mailman 3 using Apache/Mod_WSGI
by Erin Justice Aug. 8, 2017

Aug. 8, 2017

Hi all, I'm trying to setup Mailman 3 to run using apache. I've downloaded and installed mailman core, django, Postorius & Hyperkitty I'm using the mailman-suite django project from https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master>. When I run the site using Django's development server everything works. However I've been unsuccessful in getting the site to run via apache w/ Mod_WSGI. Note: I have a number of virtual hosts setup for various PHP sites and am trying to add the mailman install as another virtual host. I'm using MAMP for managing my website setup on my local machine. The addition to the virtual hosts file is: <VirtualHost *:80> #Mailman3 stuff ServerName mailman.local Alias /static /Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/static <Directory "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/static"> Order deny,allow Allow from all </Directory> WSGIScriptAlias / /Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py <Directory "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project"> <Files wsgi.py> Order deny,allow Allow from all </Files> </Directory> </VirtualHost> I also have the following in my https.conf. WSGIPythonPath /Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/ The 500 and related Errors I'm getting in Apache are: [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Create interpreter 'mailman.local|'. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Adding '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/' to path. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [info] [client ::1] mod_wsgi (pid=80044, process='', application='mailman.local|'): Loading WSGI script '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py'. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Target WSGI script '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py' cannot be loaded as Python module. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Exception occurred processing WSGI script '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py'. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] Traceback (most recent call last): [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py", line 38, in <module> [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] application = get_wsgi_application() [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/wsgi.py", line 13, in get_wsgi_application [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] django.setup(set_prefix=False) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 22, in setup [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] configure_logging(settings.LOGGING_CONFIG, settings.LOGGING) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 56, in __getattr__ [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] self._setup(name) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 41, in _setup [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 110, in __init__ [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] __import__(name) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] ImportError: No module named settings Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, -Erin Justice

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