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Bounce processing
by Mark Ziranski Aug. 26, 2017

Aug. 26, 2017

Hello, I read that mailman3 supports 'bounce processing' but I do not know how to configure it. I want to delete members automatically from a mailing list if the delivery has failed after a certain time of attempts because his mailbox has been removed or his mail server has been shutdown etc. There is also the case that an users mailbox is full (mailbox limit exceeded). Is possible to deal with this case too? Thanks.

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HyperKitty misreporting statistics
by Cameron Smith Aug. 24, 2017

Aug. 24, 2017

Mailman 3, container images 0.1.1 HyperKitty 1.1.1 is showing incorrect numbers for the number of participants and the number of discussions. (All messages referred to below were submitted in August.) In one list, I have two threads. In one thread, I have three messages, each from a different email address, all submitted via email (as opposed to replying from within HyperKitty). The month page (clicking on “August”) of that list however, shows that thread as having one participant and no messages. Opening the list shows the same stats: “1 participants”, “0 comments”; all three messages are displayed. The other thread in the same list also shows one participant and no messages; it has two messages in it, one submitted via email, the other submitted via HyperKitty by a different subscriber. Opening the list shows both messages. The front page of that list shows zero participants and two discussions. A second list also has two threads with three email-submitted messages from different addresses. The monthly stats show one thread as having one participant and one message, the other as having one participant and zero messages. The front page shows one participant and one discussion. Cameron Smith

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Users, members, accounts and subscribers
by Cameron Smith Aug. 24, 2017

Aug. 24, 2017

Oh my! In an attempt to introduce a friend to MailMan3, I had her subscribe to a couple of lists that I set up and we exchanged a few messages via the email interface. Then I introduced her to the web interface and we were both confused when she could not log-in/sign-in and was told that her email address was not recognized. It was only later that I realized that while she was a subscriber, she hadn’t yet signed up for an account. What is the point of “accounts"? Why can someone become a subscriber, but not have an account? I find the user/member/subscriber explanation at http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/architecture.html to be very confusing. Cameron Smith

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Setting default Mailman admin (Django superuser) password in Docker-mailman
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 23, 2017

Aug. 23, 2017

I just upgraded to Docker-mailman 0.1.1 and prior to that for some reason I had to somewhat start over, deleting my database. At both on my first and second attempt I wondered what the Django admin password would be. According to https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/ and https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/blob/master/web/README.md, setting MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER and MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL in docker-compose.yaml will create a username for the admin user by default, but it doesn't mentioning setting a variable for the password. Creating a superuser using docker exec -it mailman-web python manage.py createsuperuser would normally request the password for the user indicated, but user "mailman" has already been registred. So to get to know the superuser password, I reset it using https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6358030/how-to-reset-django-admin-passw…. Why don't the installation guide on https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/ mention anything about how to set the password in the docker-compose.yaml file? -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk<mailto:her@adm.ku.dk>> Copenhagen, Danmark

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Possible bug in Mailman 3.1 (Docker-mailman 0.1)
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 21, 2017

Aug. 21, 2017

Mailman 3.1, docker-mailman 0.1 While I was trying to automate distribution of the files in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains I found what I think must be a bug. Adding a new mail list (or deleting one) _does_ update the Postfix files /opt/mailman/core/var/data/ ,but adding a new mail domain does not. This is OK. But deleting a mail domain that have lists associated to it * does not issue a warning other than "Are you sure you want to permanently delete this domain?" which is not different from deleting mail domains without lists associated to it. * the associated lists disappears both from the web interface Lists view and from the output of the "docker exec -it mailman-core mailman lists" command * the files in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/ is not updated even the lists is being deleted. 1. Deleting a mail domain with associated lists should issue a warning that it has lists associated to it. 2. The files in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/ should be updated according to the deleted lists / domains. 3. Actually I think it should be impossible to accidentally delete a mail domain with lists associated to it. Regards Henrik Rasmussen

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Re: Which documentation to follow for installation
by Ruben Ibanez Aug. 20, 2017

Aug. 20, 2017

Hi Abhilash, Thanks for your reply. The point is, I think I'm missing something. I'm just a sysadmin who wants to deploy Mailman 3.x to be used for an operational environment, like any other software. Is this software actually ready for that? Of course, I'm not asking for .rpm, .deb, etc... because I understand that's quite complex, but I tried it following all available guides, including the Contributor's Guide, and it seems impossible to get it running at the first time (or just to get it running) without getting crazy or fixing lots of unexpected errors during installation. Have you tried to deploy Mailman 3.x strictly following the documentation? By the way, many thanks for your hard work! Cheers, RI From: "Abhilash Raj" <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> To: ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int Cc: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:55:20 AM Subject: Re: [MM3-users] Which documentation to follow for installation On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 09:40:37 -0000 ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm trying to deploy Mailman 3.1, but it seems there isn't a clear place to > look for documentation. I found two different sites: > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ Both of the above are actually latest documentation, docs.mailman3.org should be the one to look for installations guidelines for the entire Mailman 3.x Suite, mailman.readthedocs.io is the documentation of Mailman 3 Core, which handles the mail. http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html This should be the best place to start, be sure to look at the Pre-Installation Guide if you are new to the Python ecosystem. > > Do you know which one should be followed? Both at the same time? I find it > quite unclear... and this installation will be for an operational environment. > > Also, there are some (official?...) docker images, but all images are for > mailman 3.0 but not mailman 3.1, and of course updates are not guaranteed. It is meant for Mailman 3.X series and is maintained by me. It currently includes the latest releases for all the Mailman's sub-projects, also Mailman 3.1. Hope that helps! -- thanks, Abhilash Raj This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email.

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Which documentation to follow for installation
by ribanez＠sciops.esa.int Aug. 19, 2017

Aug. 19, 2017

Hi everyone, I'm trying to deploy Mailman 3.1, but it seems there isn't a clear place to look for documentation. I found two different sites: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ Do you know which one should be followed? Both at the same time? I find it quite unclear... and this installation will be for an operational environment. Also, there are some (official?...) docker images, but all images are for mailman 3.0 but not mailman 3.1, and of course updates are not guaranteed. Thanks in advance! Regards, ribanez

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Issues with starting mailman 3 outside of a virtualenv
by Leon Aug. 16, 2017

Aug. 16, 2017

Hello, I wonder if this issue(https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/3) was fixed? I try to set up a mailing list on aws ec2(ubuntu). In the instruction( http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html) it doesn't require to install mailman in a virtual env. However, when I tried to run `mailman start`, it produces `/usr/bin/python3: can't open file '/usr/bin/master': [Errno 2] No such file or directory`. -- Best wishes, Leon

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Mailman3 on FreeBSD
by John Poltorak Aug. 14, 2017

Aug. 14, 2017

I'm trying to install Mailman3 on FreeBSD using http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html The install runs but 'mailman info' returns errors. Can anyone suggest where I should look to get this sorted out?

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Postgresql
by John Poltorak Aug. 13, 2017

Aug. 13, 2017

What is involved in setting up Postgres to store Mailman msgs?

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Mailman home
by John Poltorak Aug. 13, 2017

Aug. 13, 2017

I'm still in my early stages of getting Mailman 3 up and running, and am still not sure how and where it should be installed, but what I've noticed is that the Mailman subdirectory tree gets install in the current directory when running 'mailman list'... Is that would should happen?

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hyperkitty won't list more than 5 posts and shows empty grey Activity Summary box
by Cyprian Laskowski Aug. 11, 2017

Aug. 11, 2017

Hi, On our new installation of Mailman 3, which seems to be otherwise working fine (thanks!), the "More..." link doesn't work, such that the list continues to only show 5 posts, even though it's clear that hyperkitty is aware of more (if I click on August, for example). Also, nothing is shown in the grey box under Activity Summary (the <svg class="chart-data"> element), although I'm not sure what's supposed to be shown there. The public archived list is here: http://seznami.cjvt.si/hyperkitty/list/test@seznami.cjvt.si/. I'd appreciate any pointers. Regards, Cyprian

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Mailman3 on FreeBSD
by John Poltorak Aug. 11, 2017

Aug. 11, 2017

Has anyone managed to install Mailman 3 on FreeBSD?

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Telling Mailman/Hyperkitty where sass is
by Erin Justice Aug. 11, 2017

Aug. 11, 2017

Hi all, Another issue that's cropped up when I am trying to run Mailman 3 on apache. I've downloaded and installed Mailman core, Django, Postorius & Hyperkitty. I'm using the mailman-suite django project from https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master>. When I run the site using Django's development server everything works. However when I run the site from apache it's not finding sass. Specifically I'm getting errors like: FilterError at /accounts/login/ /bin/sh: sass: command not found I triple checked that sass is installed which sass /Applications/MAMP/Library/bin/sass /Applications/MAMP/Library/bin/ is in $PATH when I checked that and I was thinking that it maybe wasn't getting to python properly. However pprint(sys.path) contains the same items whether I start the site from the dev server or apache. Any pointers would be appreciated. -Erin

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Mailman container images v0.1.1
by Abhilash Raj Aug. 10, 2017

Aug. 10, 2017

Hi All, Version 0.1.1[1] of the container images are now available for download. There are several new changes that make working with the container easier. Please have a look at the release notes[1] for upgrading to this version. Most notable changes are: * Now you MUST specify SECRET_KEY environment variable that Django uses. The default value was removed to make sure people set a different value for each installation * Hyperkitty has been updated to latest 1.1.1 release * Mailman-web image has been moved to alpine 3.6 base image form Debain The NEWS[2] contains an exhaustive list of all the changes that has gone into this release. Thanks to all the contributors who contributed patches and reported issues for this new release! [1]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/releases/tag/v0.1.1 [2]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/NEWS.html -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Typo in List Creation screen
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 10, 2017

Aug. 10, 2017

There is a typo in the list creation screen in Mailman 3. The owner's address field says "Inital list owner address", which should be "Initial" with an extra 'i'. Regards Henrik Rasmussen

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Setup Mailman 3 using Apache/Mod_WSGI
by Erin Justice Aug. 8, 2017

Aug. 8, 2017

Hi all, I'm trying to setup Mailman 3 to run using apache. I've downloaded and installed mailman core, django, Postorius & Hyperkitty I'm using the mailman-suite django project from https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master>. When I run the site using Django's development server everything works. However I've been unsuccessful in getting the site to run via apache w/ Mod_WSGI. Note: I have a number of virtual hosts setup for various PHP sites and am trying to add the mailman install as another virtual host. I'm using MAMP for managing my website setup on my local machine. The addition to the virtual hosts file is: <VirtualHost *:80> #Mailman3 stuff ServerName mailman.local Alias /static /Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/static <Directory "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/static"> Order deny,allow Allow from all </Directory> WSGIScriptAlias / /Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py <Directory "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project"> <Files wsgi.py> Order deny,allow Allow from all </Files> </Directory> </VirtualHost> I also have the following in my https.conf. WSGIPythonPath /Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/ The 500 and related Errors I'm getting in Apache are: [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Create interpreter 'mailman.local|'. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [info] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Adding '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/' to path. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [info] [client ::1] mod_wsgi (pid=80044, process='', application='mailman.local|'): Loading WSGI script '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py'. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Target WSGI script '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py' cannot be loaded as Python module. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] mod_wsgi (pid=80044): Exception occurred processing WSGI script '/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py'. [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] Traceback (most recent call last): [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py", line 38, in <module> [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] application = get_wsgi_application() [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/wsgi.py", line 13, in get_wsgi_application [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] django.setup(set_prefix=False) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 22, in setup [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] configure_logging(settings.LOGGING_CONFIG, settings.LOGGING) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 56, in __getattr__ [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] self._setup(name) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 41, in _setup [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 110, in __init__ [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] File "/Applications/MAMP/Library/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] __import__(name) [Thu Aug 03 14:18:55 2017] [error] [client ::1] ImportError: No module named settings Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, -Erin Justice

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Docker, Mailman 3, templates and list user accounts
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 8, 2017

Aug. 8, 2017

I used Docker to installed Mailman 3. The top header of the web interface says "Example.Com" while linking to the correct site URL (I believe coming from SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN). In a post[1], Mark Sapiro referred to the template system in Mailman 3 by pointing out that "a custom template can be put in var/templates/site/en/welcome.txt or var/templates/domains/example.com/en/welcome.txt<http://var/templates/domains/example.com/en/welcome.txt> or var/templates/lists/listname.example.com/en/welcome.txt<http://var/templates/lists/listname.example.com/en/welcome.txt> where var is Mailman's configured var_dir". I believe this refers to the mail templates. 1) Where do I change the similar template system, for the web interface, without breaking a laver upgrade? 2) How do I change the site name in the top of the web interface on Mailman 3 to my subside and ? [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… The Mailman command in Mailman Core doesn't seem to have a command for listing the accounts users have created by using Sign up in the web interface, so I believe that accounts may be created in the webinterface. Is there similar commands for the web interface like the mailman commands for the Mailman core? Regards, Henrik Rasmussen

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config incoming email in my domain cpanel
by Rafael Mora Aug. 4, 2017

Aug. 4, 2017

Hello, I created a test list called: testlist1(a)labbrands.com How do I do in order to redirect the incoming emails to that direction to my server with MM3 ?? Thanks -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

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Installing mailman 3
by Rafael Mora Aug. 2, 2017

Aug. 2, 2017

Hello, I want to install mailman 3 in a centos 7 virtual machine. I'm following these steps and I cannot make it work: 1. `cd ~` 2. `git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman.git` 3. `cd mailman` 4. `virtualenv -p python3 venv` 5. `source venv/bin/activate` 6. `python setup.py develop` 7. I am pretty sure this setup command will place a configuration file into `~/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg`. Edit this file. https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/config/docs/config.html 8. `mailman info` can confirm which configuration file is in use 9. `mailman start` will start up Mailman 3 Core. This is what the parent background process command looks like in `ps -ef`: `/home/ubuntu/mailman/venv/bin/python /home/ubuntu/mailman/venv/bin/master -C /home/ubuntu/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg` I also tried the steps on the website https://wiki.list.org/DEV/SetupDevEnvironment but it doesn't work either What do you suggest? This is what I get from console: [root@localhost ~]# cd dev/ [root@localhost dev]# cd mailman/ [root@localhost mailman]# source venv3/bin/activate (venv3) [root@localhost mailman]# cd mailman/ (venv3) [root@localhost mailman]# ls conf.py COPYING data README.rst src unittest.cfg contrib coverage.ini MANIFEST.in setup.cfg template.py copybump.py cron port_me setup.py tox.ini (venv3) [root@localhost mailman]# cd .. (venv3) [root@localhost mailman]# mailman start Starting Mailman's master runner /root/dev/mailman/venv3/bin/python: can't open file '/sbin/master': [Errno 2] No such file or directory (venv3) [root@localhost mailman]# Thank you -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

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Ready to try installation: use "normal" install or docker.
by Tom Browder Aug. 1, 2017

Aug. 1, 2017

The mm3 installation instructions have been somewhat fluid over the development period, butI'm finally ready to dig in and give it a shot and need some last-minute advice. I'm leaning toward installing using the docker method but I would appreciate any recent thoughts about which method to choose. Thanks so much to the MM3 dev team! Best, -Tom

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LMTP runner keeps crashing
by Mark Lindsay Aug. 1, 2017

Aug. 1, 2017

Hl mailman-users! The LMTP runner on my Mailman 3 install (3.1.0b4) has started silently crashing. The parent process and all of the other runners stay up. Nothing interesting seems to be written to the logs. I've been finding out about it when exim4 (running on the same server) starts sending out "retry timeout exceeded" bounce emails to list participants: From: Mail Delivery System [mailto:Mailer-Daemon@lists.mysite.org] > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:39 PM > To: some_participant(a)mysite.org > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > listname(a)lists.mysite.org > retry timeout exceeded > Action: failed > Final-Recipient: rfc822;listname(a)lists.mysite.org > Status: 5.0.0 After hearing about the bounces from participants, I then SSH to the lists server and attempt to `telnet localhost 8024` but get no response. The LMTP runner is not listed in `ps -ef`. After restarting all of mailman (`mailman stop; mailman start`) I get the `220` response from LMTP on port 8024. I see the LMTP runner in `ps -ef`. Does anyone have any ideas on how I could start debugging this? Thank you, Mark

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Installation guide
by Loring July 31, 2017

July 31, 2017

So I am looking to install the latest mailman 3, however I can find no complete guide as to how to install it. I have found some pages for instance http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/install.html# This however gives me no instructions on how to install mailman3.x, can anyone point me in the righ direction please. -- Richmond Loring rloring(a)bnl.gov Advanced Systems Engineer

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MM3 statistics
by Tom Browder July 28, 2017

July 28, 2017

Are there any plugins or programs for mm3 statistics? Thanks. -Tom

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Mailman 3 Status Update Please?
by ddw David Wilson July 26, 2017

July 26, 2017

Mailman 3 Status Update Please I have been following the progress and difficulties with great interest as many struggle to implement the new version of the great Mailman 3 list-server software. Last year about this time I posed some questions regarding the current development status and recognize that many additional problems seem to get in the way of actually working on long term big picture issues. From my perspective of being an senior (ie overaged) person desirous of implementing fully-featured, capable, scalable, reliable, secure applications such as Mailman, I am convinced that I am thoroughly over my head. From my limited perspective, it would seem to me that a 'nice to have' system would incorporate the following. 1. An open container standard configurable system install, compatible with different web & mail servers, DB utilities, etc; 2. Python 3 version Django utilities for archiving and mail list name management; 3. A design/plan from an inside expert perspective stating costs, time and resources to implement the plan, incorporating crowdfunding to pay for project. 4. As a backup incentive to the crowdfunding plan might be the offer of an expert to set up a system for each significant amount donated, say US$1,000, such as might be accomplished by an SSL session on the target computer/server after the user has specified all necessary detail as required in a template. I am sure that the program author and other major contributors could greatly enhance this list. In summary, I guess what I am requesting is an overview forecast by half year period and out for the next two years? Please share the big picture? Thank you in advance and best regards. Dave Wilson

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MM3.1 templates
by Matt Richards July 20, 2017

July 20, 2017

I've managed, to setup MM3.1 using the docker images from http://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman. I would like to start customizing the templates MM3.1 uses for the footer and confirmation emails. Is there any mailman site admin or list admin documentation on how to customize email templates in MM3.1? I've found this template doc at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/tree/master/src/mailman/rest/docs, but I'm not clear how this works.. and it appears postorius doesn't have template support yet? I am new to python and django.. -- --Matt

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AH01102: error reading status line from remote server 172.19.199.3:8000
by Henrik Rasmussen July 20, 2017

July 20, 2017

I've just installed Mailman 3.1 on RHEL7 (Docker-Mailman3) and to get the right CSS layout I installed Apache on the Mailman server outside Docker, as advised by Abhilash Raj and Alexander Klotz. My Mailman server is on a secured network and the https connection from Internet will be handled by proxy servers, so I will be using http (port 80) between proxy-servers and Mailman server. But when I sign in (currently via an SSH tunnel to the Mailman server from my workstation) I get "Internal error: [client ::1:41912] AH01102: error reading status line from remote server 172.19.199.3:8000, referer: http://localhost/accounts/login/?next=%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2F" If I type a wrong password, I am just warned about that, so the problem appears when log in is accepted. I expect that it is because I connect to localhost:80 through SSH tunnel. What do I miss in my Apache configuration on the Mailman server to avoid this problem? <VirtualHost *:80> ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/error_log LogLevel warn CustomLog /var/log/httpd/access_log combined ServerAdmin root(a)example.foo ServerName list.foo.bar Alias /static /opt/mailman/web/static Alias /favicon.ico /opt/mailman/web/static/hyperkitty/img/favicon.ico ProxyPassMatch ^/static/.* ! ProxyPass / http://172.19.199.3:8000/ ProxyPassReverse / http://172.19.199.3:8000/ <Directory /> Allow from all Require all granted </Directory> <Directory /opt/mailman/web/static/hyperkitty/img/> Allow from all Require all granted </Directory> # ssl config here ... </VirtualHost> Thanks, Henrik Rasmussen

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List of "site admin" commands in Mailman 3.1 docker-mailman
by Henrik Rasmussen July 18, 2017

July 18, 2017

I am new to all of Python, Django, Docker, Docker-compose and everything else used by docker-mailman. I have managed to get a webinterface of Mailman 3.1, I installed using Docker and Docker-Compose from github.com/maxking/docker-mailman, but my config is still bogues (probably just my Apache-config). I'm quite confused about Mailman 3 documentation regarding those commands the site admin would do in Mailman 2 like list_members, config_list -o etc.)., and I have been trying to figure out what documentation regards the development of Mailman 3, what regards the final version 3.1 and what I am supposed to do regarding Docker. 1) Should I enter the container using "docker exec -it mailman-web bash" and run "python" in order to get a python prompt, and from there run commands like those documented at mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/control.html ?. 2) Where do I define the what was previously known as the site admin user and site admin e-mail? On another note: Is it a setting in the mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list setup that make each of my postings to the list come back with the note "This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to be."? Thanks Henrik Rasmussen

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Re: Found error in docker-container
by Abhilash Raj July 17, 2017

July 17, 2017

Hi Alex, On Wed, Jul 5, 2017, at 03:21 AM, Alexander Klotz wrote: > Hi, > > one of our developers wanted to point out an error he found in mailman > 3.1, docker container maxking/mailman-core-0.1 > > The entries in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp are not set > correctly, example: > > /^testlist(a)mailman\.example\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2# IP > Address of mailman-core container]:8024 > > this actually should look like this: > > /^testlist(a)mailman\.example\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 Can you send a copy of your Mailman configuration that you added at `/opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg`? I think this is mostly because the configuration parser doesn't understand the in-line comments. So, if you are using the configuration exactly as it is mentioned in the documentation, it could be the cause of this problem. Solution to that would be to just remove all the in-line comments. [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 172.19.199.2 # IP Address of mailman-core container lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: 172.19.199.1 # IP Address of host where postfix is. smtp_port: 25 configuration: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg Like the two comments seen in the configuration above. I will update the documentation too so that others don't get caught in something like this. Thanks! -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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postfix, dovecot and MM3
by Matt Richards July 15, 2017

July 15, 2017

This is a bit of a lengthy post, but I wanted to make sure I had enough detail to document the problem I'm experiencing. The quick summary is, I'm having a problem with postfix, dovecot and mailman3.. routing Problem: Postfix mail routing is mostly working correctly with the execpetion of handling test-confirm+157fcaf78907a2bbf21b36aaf349386e09e801a8(a)example.com emails. As you can see below in my postfix config, I have defined recipient_delimiter.. I'm not sure what else is going wrong.. For example, if I email test-confirm(a)example.com, the mail will route over to MM correctly as postfix is able to find this exact email address in the postfix_lmtp transport file. However, if I reply to a mm confirmaion email, test-confirm+157fcaf78907a2bbf21b36aaf349386e09e801a8(a)example.com, postfix will fail to deliver the email correctly due postfix trying to lookup the test-confirm(a)example.com in dovcot's virtual mailbox tables. I hope this is enough information... My research seems to indicate I might need to change something with virtual_alias_maps, however from my testing, changing this setting to include MM3's geneated postfix_lmtp file, it'll cause more problems.. I've also considered using a sub-domain, for example lists.example.com instead of my primary domain for mm3, this may fix a lot of my issues. Setup overview: Integrated mailcow-dockerized (https://github.com/andryyy/mailcow-dockerized) & docker-mailman (https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman) - all I have done is merged the containers from the docker-mailman docker-compose.yml into mailcow's docker-compose.yml - updated the network settings for docker-mailman to use mailcow's internal network if needed, I can provide my docker-compose file. mx1.example.com = An internal eMail firewall and security server Below is the reject log from postfix: Jul 15 18:11:22 mx10 postfix/smtpd[418]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mx1.example.com[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxxx]: 550 5.1.1 < test-confirm+157fcaf78907a2bbf21b36aaf349386e09e801a8(a)example.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table; from=< xxxx(a)gmail.com> to=< test-confirm+157fcaf78907a2bbf21b36aaf349386e09e801a8(a)example.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mx1.example.com> Below is my postfix configs: ##Postfix main.cnf biff = no append_dot_mydomain = no smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/mail/cert.pem smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/mail/key.pem smtpd_use_tls=yes smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases relayhost = [mx1.example.com]:25 mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 10.0.0.0/8 172.16.0.0/12 192.168.0.0/16 [fd4d:6169:6c63:6f77::]/64 mailbox_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all bounce_queue_lifetime = 1d broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes disable_vrfy_command = yes maximal_backoff_time = 1800s maximal_queue_lifetime = 1d message_size_limit = 26214400 milter_default_action = accept milter_protocol = 6 minimal_backoff_time = 300s plaintext_reject_code = 550 postscreen_access_list = permit_mynetworks, cidr:/opt/postfix/conf/postscreen_access.cidr, tcp:127.0.0.1:10027 postscreen_bare_newline_enable = no postscreen_blacklist_action = drop postscreen_cache_cleanup_interval = 24h postscreen_cache_map = proxy:btree:$data_directory/postscreen_cache postscreen_dnsbl_action = enforce postscreen_dnsbl_sites = b.barracudacentral.org=127.0.0.2*7 dnsbl.inps.de=127.0.0.2*7 bl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.2*5 bl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.[10;11;12]*4 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.10*8 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.5*6 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.7*3 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.8*2 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.6*2 dnsbl.sorbs.net=127.0.0.9*2 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.[10;11]*8 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.[4..7]*6 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.3*4 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.2*3 hostkarma.junkemailfilter.com=127.0.0.2*3 hostkarma.junkemailfilter.com=127.0.0.4*1 hostkarma.junkemailfilter.com=127.0.1.2*1 wl.mailspike.net=127.0.0.[18;19;20]*-2 hostkarma.junkemailfilter.com=127.0.0.1*-2 postscreen_dnsbl_threshold = 8 postscreen_dnsbl_ttl = 5m postscreen_greet_action = enforce postscreen_greet_banner = $smtpd_banner postscreen_greet_ttl = 2d postscreen_greet_wait = 3s postscreen_non_smtp_command_enable = no postscreen_pipelining_enable = no proxy_read_maps = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_sender_acl.cf, proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_tls_enforce_out_policy.cf, proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_tls_enforce_in_policy.cf, $local_recipient_maps $mydestination $virtual_alias_maps $virtual_alias_domains $virtual_mailbox_maps $virtual_mailbox_domains $relay_recipient_maps $relay_domains $canonical_maps $sender_canonical_maps $recipient_canonical_maps $relocated_maps $transport_maps $mynetworks $smtpd_sender_login_maps queue_run_delay = 300s relay_domains = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_relay_domain_maps.cf relay_recipient_maps = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_relay_recipient_maps.cf sender_dependent_default_transport_maps = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_tls_enforce_out_policy.cf smtp_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt smtp_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/mail/cert.pem smtp_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/mail/key.pem smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_dns_support_level = dnssec smtp_tls_security_level = dane smtpd_data_restrictions = reject_unauth_pipelining, permit smtpd_delay_reject = yes smtpd_error_sleep_time = 10s smtpd_hard_error_limit = ${stress?1}${stress:5} smtpd_helo_required = yes smtpd_proxy_timeout = 600s smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, check_recipient_access proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_tls_enforce_in_policy.cf, reject_invalid_helo_hostname, reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname, reject_unauth_destination smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header = yes smtpd_sasl_path = inet:dovecot:10001 smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot smtpd_sender_login_maps = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_sender_acl.cf smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_authenticated_sender_login_mismatch, permit_mynetworks, reject_sender_login_mismatch, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unlisted_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain smtpd_soft_error_limit = 3 smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes smtpd_tls_dh1024_param_file = /etc/ssl/mail/dhparams.pem smtpd_tls_eecdh_grade = strong smtpd_tls_exclude_ciphers = ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA, RC4, aNULL smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 smtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 lmtp_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 lmtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3 smtpd_tls_mandatory_ciphers = high smtpd_tls_security_level = may tls_ssl_options = NO_COMPRESSION tls_high_cipherlist = EDH+CAMELLIA:EDH+aRSA:EECDH+aRSA+AESGCM:EECDH+aRSA+SHA256:EECDH:+CAMELLIA128:+AES128:+SSLv3:!aNULL:!eNULL:!LOW:!3DES:!MD5:!EXP:!PSK:!DSS:!RC4:!SEED:!IDEA:!ECDSA:kEDH:CAMELLIA128-SHA:AES128-SHA transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_spamalias_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_alias_domain_maps.cf, proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_alias_domain_catchall_maps.cf virtual_gid_maps = static:5000 virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail/ virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/ mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp proxy:mysql:/opt/postfix/conf/sql/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_minimum_uid = 104 virtual_transport = lmtp:inet:dovecot:24 virtual_uid_maps = static:5000 smtpd_milters = inet:rspamd:9900 non_smtpd_milters = inet:rspamd:9900 milter_mail_macros = i {mail_addr} {client_addr} {client_name} {auth_authen} mydestination = localhost.localdomain, localhost #content_filter=zeyple # Prefere IPv4, useful for v4-only envs smtp_address_preference = ipv4 smtp_header_checks = pcre:/opt/postfix/conf/mailcow_anonymize_headers.pcre unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no Note: I've replaced my real domain name with example.com, as I don't wish to have my server information publicly archived for spam and security reasons. I have also masked any external IP addreses. I'm also aware my email setup is a bit more complicated than the usual as I have an email firewall/security server in the mix. I've tried my best to accurately describe what I have configured. If you need any actual logs or configs, please contact me directly off this list for this information. -- --Matt

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Does hyperkitty show JPEGs in line and what about attachments?
by Jason Glazer July 13, 2017

July 13, 2017

I run several MailMan 2.1 mailing lists and some subscribers are frustrated by the way pipermail deals with JPEGs that are embedded in the messages and also with how attachments are handled. Does hyperkitty in Mailman 3.1 do better on these issues. Assuming this message gets archived, I am going to try embedding a small picture right here: Hopefully that shows up in the archive. I won't add an attachment because the list may not allow it but I'm curious how those are handled. Thanks Jason -- Jason Glazer, P.E., BEMP, GARD Analytics, 90.1 ECB chair, 209 chair Admin for onebuilding.org building performance mailing lists

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Docker Mailman3 installation frustration
by ccsmith＠cetsi.com July 13, 2017

July 13, 2017

I've been working on installing Mailman3 for several weeks now, with limited success. I have tried various installation methods following instructions on numerous different web pages. My experience has been that the instructions are often conflicting and never complete. My best success has been with the Docker version, so that's what I'm going to concentrate on here. I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 (under Citrix XenServer), with Apache httpd and postfix. Following the instructions on https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/, I did the following: * created the directories "/opt/mailman/core" and "/opt/mailman/web", * created "/opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg" and inserted the suggested [mta] directives, * inserted the "transport_maps", "local-recipient_maps", and "relay_domains" entries in the /etc/postfix/main.cf file, * created the necessary apache config files, * cloned "https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman", * ran "docker-compose up -d" At this point, I am able to connect with Postorius. All of the text and icons show up properly; all is well. It tells me (correctly) that "There are currently no mailing lists." When I click on the "Login" link at the top right, the "Sign In" page displays correctly. (Aside: Why do so many apps/sites have difficulty with choosing between "login" and "sign in" and, in fact, use both terms? It can really be off-putting to non-tech users... and me.) If I input an incorrect login, I receive (correctly) the message "The username and/or password you specified are not correct." However, if I input the correct sign-in, I receive: "Server Error (500)". Running "sudo docker exec -it mailman-web cat ../mailman-web-data/logs/mailmanweb.log" shows me: ERROR 2017-07-12 20:34:25,073 25 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 39, in inner response = get_response(request) ... more stuff ... File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/smtplib.py", line 747, in sendmail raise SMTPRecipientsRefused(senderrs) SMTPRecipientsRefused: {u'pacetechadmin(a)cetsi.com': (451, '4.3.0 <pacetechadmin(a)cetsi.com>: Temporary lookup failure')} On the Docker host (ubuntuServer2), /var/log/mail.log shows: Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: connect from unknown[172.19.199.3] Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains is unavailable. open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: table lookup problem Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains lookup failure Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains is unavailable. open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: table lookup problem Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains lookup failure Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[172.19.199.3]: 451 4.3.0 <pacetechadmin(a)cetsi.com>: Temporary lookup failure; from=<postorius(a)localhost.local> to=<pacetechadmin(a)cetsi.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mailman-web> Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: connect from unknown[172.19.199.3] Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains is unavailable. open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: table lookup problem Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: relay_domains lookup failure Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp is unavailable. open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp lookup error for "root@localhost" Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[19843]: warning: transport_maps lookup failure Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[172.19.199.3]: 451 4.3.0 <root@localhost>: Temporary lookup failure; from=<root(a)localhost.local> to=<root@localhost> proto=ESMTP helo=<mailman-web> Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: disconnect from unknown[172.19.199.3] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=0/1 rset=1 quit=1 commands=4/5 Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: lost connection after RSET from unknown[172.19.199.3] Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: disconnect from unknown[172.19.199.3] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=0/1 rset=1 commands=3/4 And /var/log/mail.err is filling up with: Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:53 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19931]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains: No such file or directory Jul 12 13:48:54 ubuntuServer2 postfix/smtpd[19932]: error: open /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp: No such file or directory Any thoughts on what the problem is? Have I missed a step?

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Confirm on mass subscription
by David Krantz July 7, 2017

July 7, 2017

Hi, Is there a way of requiring all mass subscribed users to confirm their email adress? I have an use case where we have a current mail list but when moving it to mailman I for different reasons would like to confirm all subscribers. Some very shallow testing suggests that if I just add them using mass subscribe, they will not have to confirm at all. I have yet to upgrade to 3.1 but I will do so in due time. cheers // David

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Changing display name with "mailman withlist"
by Mark Ziranski July 5, 2017

July 5, 2017

Hello, I am looking for a way to change the display name of a mailing list on command line. As written in "mailman withlist --details" I have created a script named "change.py". When executing the script as written in the manual, I get the following error: (venv-3.5) [root@localhost mailman]# mailman withlist -r change example(a)example.org 'new display name' usage: mailman [-h] [-v] [-C CONFIG] {help,aliases,conf,create,digests,import21,info,inject,lists,members,qfile,remove,reopen,restart,shell,start,status,stop,unshunt,version,withlist} ... mailman: error: unrecognized arguments: new display name According to the manual it should be possible to pass arguments in withlist: mailman withlist [options] listname [args ...] while " mailman withlist -h" says: usage: mailman withlist [-h] [-i] [-r RUN] [--details] [LISTNAME] Mailman version: GNU Mailman 3.2.0a1 (La Villa Strangiato) Btw. I know that there is an interactive shell to execute the script but I need a solution that can be run in a shell script. Thank you.

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Problem with docker and css
by Alexander Klotz July 5, 2017

July 5, 2017

Hi everyone, we are experiencing some issues trying to run mailman3 on our server. First, when starting docker-compose up -d the mailman-web container is not started. The log shows: mailman-web | useradd: user 'mailman' already exists If we start the container with docker-compose up (without -d), all containers start accurately. Are there other files integrated / processed when starting docker-compose up with -d? Secondly, no css and javascript-elements, as well as images are embedded in the web surface. In the mailman-web log we can see they aren't found (Error 404), but trying with docker-compose exec -T mailman-web ls /opt/mailman-.../static/.../... they actually can be found. Can anybody tell me why these problems appear and how to solve them? Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks & Regards, Alex Klotz (culturebase editorial staff)

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Found error in docker-container
by Alexander Klotz July 5, 2017

July 5, 2017

Hi, one of our developers wanted to point out an error he found in mailman 3.1, docker container maxking/mailman-core-0.1 The entries in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp are not set correctly, example: /^testlist(a)mailman\.example\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2# IP Address of mailman-core container]:8024 this actually should look like this: /^testlist(a)mailman\.example\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 Regards, Alex

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REST API notes
by tlhackque＠yahoo.com June 29, 2017

June 29, 2017

As a beginner with the REST API, I found it necessary to read code and experiment to figure out how to get things done. There are a number of implementation choices that are unusual. There is some documentation in src/mailman/rest/docs. It's oriented toward Python and intermixes the mailman client & REST API, apparently trying to show equivalence. Here are some notes that may help others to avoid repeating my research. They reflect Mailman 3.1. Some reflect issues that I've opened, but I think it's worth knowing how things work today. I attempted to tie together some of pieces that are in the documentation - and note some things that aren't. I may have some things wrong, but this reflects my current understanding. (And client code.) The REST API has a hybrid interface: Requests are made with application/x-www-form-urlencoded POST, PUT, PATCH and delete http requests. Requests are also accepted as parameter strings. The responses are JSON. (This is rather surprising - one would expect JSON requests - and I hope someday they'll be accepted, as the split complicates clients. I suspect this evolved to simplify the initial Web GUI client (Postorious), but it precludes using standard JSON-in/JSON-out client libraries.) Error responses are often misidentified as content-type: application/json, but actually contain a text/plain error message. This isn't universally true; for example the 401 response actually IS JSON. A client has to guess and handle decoding exceptions. The API presents resources hierarchically, rooted at '/'. The top level resources include /users, /lists. /addresses, /domains, /system The next level is a resource id. There is a an id which is stable for the lifetime of an object, and a current name (which can be changed). For example, a list has a name like mylist(a)example.com, and a list_id of mylist.example.com. But if you change the list name, it becomes mynewname(a)example.net, while the list_id remains mylist.example.com. Lists are associated with "domains", which are the "domain part" of the list's address. That is, the part after the @. This is sometimes referred to as the "mail host", but there need not be a real host. Just something on the left side of a DNS MX record. Also, don't confuse the use of "mail host" with that of "SMTP Server", which is how Mailman sends mail. The domain is where Mailman expects to receive it. A fully qualified list name is the list name + domain - e.g. its posting address. One domain can (and usually does) support more than one list. If you delete the domain, all its lists go away too. A domain has to be created before you can create a list with an address in that domain. Resources are created with a POST to their top-level resource. To create a domain, post to /domains with mail_host => the domain, and (optionally) description => a description for the GUI. The response isn't JSON as one would expect. In fact, it's an empty application/json response with a 201 status. To create a list, one POSTs to /lists. This post takes a restricted set of parameters; in the case of a list, just its fqdn_listname, (and an optional style - which isn't well defined). The response isn't JSON as one would expect. The Location header of the response contains a URL of the new list. To configure the list, you have to follow up with a PUT or PATCH to that URL + /config This is where you can set the description, posting policy, etc. It's unrealistic to do a PUT; even if you're cloning another list, there's no programatic way to determine which attributes are writable. PATCH what you know... Members are associated with e-mail addresses - which belong to Users. You create a user by posting to /users with email => the email address, and optionally display_name => the name string. (A user can also be implicitly created by subscribing an e-mail address, but that gets confusing.) The e-mail address is the primary email address for the user. More later. Again, you get a Location header in the response, which you can use to PATCH /preferences to set delivery_status, etc. .These preferences are part of a hierarchy - many have a system default, a list default, the user default, and a subscription to that list value. You can find the User associated with a list by a GET of /addresses/address(a)example.net. This GET returns two URLs: user => the user owning this address, and self_link => the address object. Note also that there are both an email and original_email attribute. The latter preserves case. The former is used internally by Mailman as a resource key, etc. (Though exactly what happens if John(a)example.net and john(a)example.net both subscribe is unclear.) Once a list is configured, you can add members. This requires the list_id - which you don't (officially) have. So you do a GET on the list resource, to get the list_id. Then you can subscribe a member with list_id => (the list id), subscriber => email address. Optionally you can pre_verify/confirm/approve the member and/or add a display_name.. POST to /members. Again, you get a Location header back. You can't specify everything you might like. as a creation attribute. So you may have to PATCH the member to, for example, set the moderation_status. You may also need to PATCH the member /preferences if you want to set list-level delivery status, etc. Consider adding at least an owner when creating a list. One challenge is that almost everything requires multiple REST operations to set up. But REST (by definition) is stateless. So the best you can do is order operations & hope. The mailman client examples refer to transactions (e.g in users.rst, there is 'transaction.commit(); - but REST can't hold state. It does appear that the server uses DB transactions to ensure that any given REST operation is ACID, but the composite operations (e.g. create a list and set it's config) can not be Atomic. This is an architectural flaw in the API. Symbolic names (which are required) for attributes are in the src/mailman/interfaces/(class).py. What you can get/set comes from src/mailman/rest/(class).py.

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Some doc updates from Fedora install experience
by tlhackque＠yahoo.com June 26, 2017

June 26, 2017

Trying to get mailman3 setup round three. Some notes from a first timer that I hope will be of use. These are in order of experience, and unfiltered. I'm a bit confused about why you have a release that pip should be able to install, but the advice I get is to pretend I'm developing from git. But off we go: Following http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html: I'm using Fedora 25. Packaged Python is 2.7.13-2, 3.6.3-6, 2-setuptools 25.1.1-1, 2-virtualenv 15.0.3-2 nodejs-less 2.7.1-1 sassc 3.4.1-1 a) fedora now uses dnf rather than yum (and has for some time). Specify dnf install rather than yum install b) sassc is packaged - just add it to the end of the dnf install string. I'm using sendmail. Directly outbound. Inbound, a custom LMTP client. It is possible to setup sendmail to use LMTP for local delivery - but if you do, it's the ONLY local delivery (or you're into some serious sendmail configuration hacking). Most installations use procmail and/or pipes. I could probably extract a pipe -> lmtp script from my project - but it's Perl, not Python. The current install process assumes a lot of Python knowledge/interaction, which is a barrier to adoption. Documentation should note that the virtualenv commands create directories of those names (I'm not a Python person, so everything is a surprise.) To save typing, I defined: alias p0='[ -n "$_OLD_VIRTUAL_PATH" ] && deactivate;cd ~mailman3' alias p2='[ -n "$_OLD_VIRTUAL_PATH" ] && deactivate;cd ~/mailman3 && source venv-2.7/bin/activate' alias p3='[ -n "$_OLD_VIRTUAL_PATH" ] && deactivate;cd ~/mailman3 && source venv-3.5/bin/activate' I suggest using mailman3 as the top level in your examples, since there's also a mailman directory in the path, and mailman is easily confused with mailman/mailman Also, if you have mailman2 - or your distro has provision for it - 'mailman' has other semantics. (Including, but not limited to things like SeLinux contexts...) I got tracebacks when I got to the "mailman info" command. After some experimentation/digging, resolved with dnf install python3-dateutil This was confusing because Python/pip seemed to think dateutil was installed - perhaps it fell back to the Python2 version? mailman info works! >> You can edit your mailman.cfg file But which one? there's one in src/mailman/config and one in var/etc/mailman.cfg. Should specify. But var looks like the one to modify, the other. The suggestion to look at the one in src for doc isn't very helpful, there are virtually no comments. So, look at the schema. To get started, I set the following: [mailman] site_owner: admin(a)example.net [devmode] enabled: yes [mta] smtp_host: smtp.example.net smtp_port: 587 #smtp_user: #smtp_pass: lmtp_host: 192.168.148.19 lmtp_port: 8024 ### Note: LMTP needs security, preferably SSL.. Thiis is probably a bunch of config items that get fed into the Python library (e.g. use ssl, cert files (current openssl includes key w/cert, but often multiple certs - rsa + ecdsa) verify client, ca bundle, ca path, client ca.) Despite the list, these are all pass-through parameters, so should not be much work. Once you have SSL, a simple shared secret (e.g. password) can be used. Or (my preference) client verification (certificate). Maybe a proxy, but who needs another process to manage? FWIW, my MTA runs on a separate VM from the MM instance, so assuming "localhost" is secure doesn't work. It also doesn't work on a multiuser machine. mailman start got some things running. Telnet & LHLO wakes up LMTP! I guess I should try to setup my first list. More as it develops.

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Mailman 3 Container Images v0.1
by Abhilash Raj June 26, 2017

June 26, 2017

Hi Everyone, I have been working on containerizing Mailman 3 so that it becomes easier to test and try Mailman 3. There are two images in total: * maxking/mailman-core : This consists of Mailman Core and includes the plugin to enable the Hyperkitty Archiver. * maxking/mailman-web : This consists of a full Django installation and run the Mailman's Web UI components. It has Mailman Client, Postorius & Hyperkitty. The images are built from the Dockerfiles hosted on Github[3] in case you want to look at it. You can find most of the documentation about these images at https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/. The version of the internal components included in each image is available here[7]. The images are versioned and the process is documented[4], please have a look before you use them. Also, the images are signed and I encourage you to verify them before using. The process of how-to verify is also documented. Docker Compose is a tool written in Python makes is very easy to deploy connected-images and take the pain out of writing long long commands for spinning of containers. There is a sample `docker-compose.yml` file in the Github repository mentioned above which is kind-of tested to be able to spin off these images in vanilla condition (without any customization/configuration). You can report issues, comments or concerns in the Github repo[6]. [1]: https://hub.docker.com/r/maxking/mailman-core/ [2]: https://hub.docker.com/r/maxking/mailman-web/ [3]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman [4]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/#release [5]: http://semver.org/ [6]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues [7]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/wiki -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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API Question: map list -> UI URL?
by tlhackque＠yahoo.com June 24, 2017

June 24, 2017

Using the REST API, how do I get from a list / list configuration to the URL of the management GUI? I've looked through the data returned by the API and even the SQL schemas; I don't see the path. Am I missing something, or do I need to log an issue for this? I'm not particularly interested in the subscriber pages, but it ought to be possible to get there too... Thanks.

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Topics? First bug...
by tlhackque June 21, 2017

June 21, 2017

Hi, I'd like to deploy a new project on Mailman 3, which I prototyped on 2.1). Unfortunately, it's organized as one mailing list with ~ 120 topics. (The project follows another source, and it's much easier to spin up (or down) a new topic than to instantiate & manage a new list.) I see that the latest Mailman 3 release (Congrats!) doesn't support topics yet. Where is that on your todo list? First bug: Looking at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/. If I set "results per page" to a large number & switch months, results per page reverts to the default (10). It should stick with whatever I select... It also would be nice to have an account preference for this, so it doesn't have to be set on each visit.

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Re: Http/Https
by Abhilash Raj June 15, 2017

June 15, 2017

Excerpts from Simon HANNA's message of June 14, 2017 1:06 pm: > You are supposed to force https in the webserver, serving postorius and hyperkitty. Especially in postorius almost all pages contain sensitive information. > > On June 14, 2017 10:05:59 PM GMT+02:00, Bill <bill3(a)uniserve.com> wrote: >>Hi folks, >> >>We're setting up Mailman 3.1 and so far installation has been good and >>we're now in the testing phase. >> >>We've run into a snag with the account signup function on Postorius. >> >>When Postorius sends an email to the user to confirm their address, it >>displays a link using the https protocol. This doesn't work. But, if we >> >>manually change the protocol to http it will work, confirm the address >>and take us back to Postorius. >> >>Is this a known bug or have we committed a configuration error? I agree to Simon's suggestion that you should use HTTPS for all communications for Postorius. However, if you really want to, it is possible to change the behavior using a configuration parameter in django-allauth which is what controls the user signup and email verification. ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL (=”http”) If you set the above to "http" in your django's settings.py, it should then generate urls with http. [1]: https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configuration.html Message-ID: <draft-878tktptc9.fsf(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 01:07:18 -0700 X-Notmuch-Emacs-Draft: True -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Http/Https
by Bill June 14, 2017

June 14, 2017

Hi folks, We're setting up Mailman 3.1 and so far installation has been good and we're now in the testing phase. We've run into a snag with the account signup function on Postorius. When Postorius sends an email to the user to confirm their address, it displays a link using the https protocol. This doesn't work. But, if we manually change the protocol to http it will work, confirm the address and take us back to Postorius. Is this a known bug or have we committed a configuration error? All assistance appreciated. Bill -- Sent using Icedove on Debian GNU/Linux.

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Re: "Private archives" aren't private
by Simon Liebold June 6, 2017

June 6, 2017

Am 06.06.2017 um 22:25 schrieb Abhilash Raj: > Excerpts from Simon Liebold via Mailman-users's message of June 6, > 2017 1:20 pm: >> >> AttributeError: type object 'BaseCommand' has no attribute >> 'option_list' > > It was reported recently on the bug tracker, you can track the > progress here[1]. > > > [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/135#note_31529582 Thanks Abhilash for the pointer. Simon

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(Email|Thread) matching query does not exist ?
by Simon Liebold June 6, 2017

June 6, 2017

I am seeing these errors: mailman-suite_project$ python manage.py qcluster 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-11541 starting. 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 11546 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 11547 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster at 11545 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 pushing tasks at 11549 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-11541 running. 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 monitoring at 11548 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] 19:27:52 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. 19:27:52 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. 19:27:52 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. Should I need to worry? I recently deleted some test emails from the archive. Don't know if this has anything to do with it. Simon

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"Delete this thread" -> 'HTTP-500 -> NoneType' object has no attribute 'all'
by Simon Liebold May 30, 2017

May 30, 2017

Is deleting threads from the archive (via Hyperkitty) currently supported? I am getting the error indicated above if I click on "Delete this thread". Is there another way to delete whole threads or individual posts? Simon

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Editing "automatic responses" tab i Postorius does not work
by David Krantz May 26, 2017

May 26, 2017

Hi, I am trying to change e.g. the value of "notify admin on membership changes" through postorius. This is not possible as I have no URLs for the various templates (all templates are using defaults stored on the server). Is this something that can be circumvented or fixed? I can of course change admin_notify_mchanges in the "mailman withlist" interface, but this is less than ideal. best regards // David

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ANNOUNCE: Mailman 3.1.0 final!
by Barry Warsaw May 26, 2017

May 26, 2017

Hello Mailpeople! On behalf of the entire team and all our wonderful contributors, I'm happy to announce the release of GNU Mailman 3.1 final. My deep thanks go to all the Mailman project sprinters at Pycon 2017 for getting us over the line! Two years after the original release of Mailman 3.0, this version contains a huge number of improvements across the entire stack. Many bugs have been fixed and new features added in the Core, Postorius (web u/i), and HyperKitty (archiver). Upgrading from Mailman 2.1 should be better too. We are seeing more production sites adopt Mailman 3, and we've been getting great feedback as these have rolled out. Important: mailman-bundler, our previous recommended way of deploying Mailman 3, has been deprecated. Abhilash Raj is putting the finishing touches on Docker images to deploy everything, and he'll have a further announcement in a week or two. Feedback is welcome: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman What is GNU Mailman? GNU Mailman is free software for managing electronic mail discussion and e-newsletter lists. Mailman is integrated with the web, making it easy for users to manage their accounts and for list owners to administer their lists. Mailman supports built-in archiving, automatic bounce processing, content filtering, digest delivery, and more. Mailman 3 is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License, version 3. The best places to start for all things related to this release: http://docs.mailman3.org/ http://www.list.org/ https://gitlab.com/mailman (Note: due to timezone skew, some of the tarballs may not be available on PyPI until tomorrow.) Happy Mailman Day, -Your friendly neighborhood cabal An overview of what's new in Mailman 3.1 ======================================== Feature parity with Mailman 2.1 ------------------------------- * You should be able to do just about everything that you could do in Mailman 2.1 *except* for topics and sibling/umbrella lists. Core ---- * Added support for Python 3.5 and 3.6 * MySQL is now an officially supported database * Many improvements with importing Mailman 2.1 lists * DMARC mitigations have been added, based on, but different than the same feature in Mailman 2.1 * The REST API requires HTTP/1.1 * A new REST API version (3.1) has been added which changes how UUIDs are interpreted, fixing the problem for some JavaScript libraries * Many new REST resources and methods have been added * Individual mailing lists can augment the system's header matching rules * `mailman create` now creates missing domains by default * `mailman digests` now has `--verbose` and `--dry-run` options * `mailman shell` now supports readline history * `mailman members` can filter members based on their subscription roles * A new template system has been added for all messages originating from inside Mailman. * The Message-ID-Hash header replaces X-Message-ID-Hash * New placeholders have been added for headers and footers * Unsubscriptions can now be confirmed and/or moderated Postorius/HyperKitty -------------------- * General U/I and U/X improvements * Many more features from the Core's have been plumbed through * We've adopted Django social auth logins and dropped Persona (since it's no longer supported upstream). You can now log in via Facebook, Google, GitHub, and GitLab. Backward incompatibilities -------------------------- * Core/REST: Held message resources now have an `original_subject` key that is not RFC 2047 decoded. `subject` is now RFC 2047 decoded. * Core/REST: If you've run pre-release versions from git head, and stored welcome and goodbye templates via REST, the template key names have changed backward incompatibility.

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Multiple header_checks in mailman.cfg. How?
by Simon Liebold May 20, 2017

May 20, 2017

Hello, What is the correct syntax if I wanted to perform multiple header checks? header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) header_checks: x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: ['X-Spam: (yes|maybe)', 'x-another-header: (some|any)thing'] Or something completely different? I don't think it is the first two because "mailman conf -s antispam" shows only a single header_checks. But the 3rd variant doesn't work either. Simon Hello, What is the correct syntax if I wanted to perform multiple header checks? header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) header_checks: x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: ['X-Spam: (yes|maybe)', 'x-another-header: (some|any)thing'] Or something completely different? I don't think it is the first two because "mailman conf -s antispam" shows only a single h= eader_checks. But the 3rd variant doesn't work either. Simon

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Character set for postorius
by David Krantz May 18, 2017

May 18, 2017

Hi, I'd like to have my descriptions of maillists with the correct characters for my languages... Where is the character set for this determined? If I input e.g. 'è' (è) or 'ö' (ö) it is substituted with a '?'. Of course the html entities are not allowed either, the ampersand '&' is escaped somewhere between output and input. Cheers // David

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