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Help with fresh debian install
by Mark Dadgar Oct. 11, 2019

Oct. 11, 2019

Mailman3-Users, First-time poster, long-time Mailman user (since August of 2002!). I brought up a fresh install of Mailman3 via the current Debian package alongside my current 2.1 setup (installed and updated from source since 2002) on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Importing lists from 2.1 has been a real problem. I am trying to import a list with no archives to keep it simple while I prove out the process. If I run the mailman import21 comment as my user, I get the following errors: — mark@mail:/tmp$ mailman import21 announce(a)pdc-racing.net ./announce-config.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.1.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 94, in main initialize(config_path) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 189, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 152, in initialize_2 mailman.core.logging.initialize(propagate_logs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 157, in initialize _init_logger(propagate, sub_name, log, logger_config) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 110, in _init_logger handler = ReopenableFileHandler(sub_name, path_abs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 50, in __init__ self._stream = self._open() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 53, in _open return codecs.open(self.filename, 'a', 'utf-8') File "/usr/lib/python3.6/codecs.py", line 897, in open file = builtins.open(filename, mode, buffering) PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman3/mailman.log' Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/logging/__init__.py", line 1945, in shutdown h.flush() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 56, in flush if self._stream: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream' — If I run it as root, it runs for a long time but spews a HUGE stream of these errors to /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log: — Oct 03 17:08:48 2019 (19118) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1570147727.3029191+80f1cc4d18f54868ad6162e8e41e52567185e983 Oct 03 17:08:49 2019 (19118) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147728.618866+174175d39c301feab4ebb2aac0a51226334fa54c.pck' Oct 03 17:08:49 2019 (19118) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 156, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147728.618866+174175d39c301feab4ebb2aac0a51226334fa54c.pck' Oct 03 17:08:49 2019 (19118) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1570147728.618866+174175d39c301feab4ebb2aac0a51226334fa54c Oct 03 17:08:50 2019 (19118) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147729.8732843+1cd24522f62dbd73c759a0f9a749a2ed63c91668.pck' Oct 03 17:08:50 2019 (19118) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 156, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147729.8732843+1cd24522f62dbd73c759a0f9a749a2ed63c91668.pck' Oct 03 17:08:50 2019 (19118) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1570147729.8732843+1cd24522f62dbd73c759a0f9a749a2ed63c91668 Oct 03 17:08:51 2019 (19118) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147731.1456919+4354e647280c69f4dbfbd5a158b682fe3ed6cbcf.pck' Oct 03 17:08:51 2019 (19118) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 156, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147731.1456919+4354e647280c69f4dbfbd5a158b682fe3ed6cbcf.pck' Oct 03 17:08:51 2019 (19118) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1570147731.1456919+4354e647280c69f4dbfbd5a158b682fe3ed6cbcf Oct 03 17:08:53 2019 (19118) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147732.4526153+f423b0ba2693b41ffc3f829da2290639634c349d.pck' Oct 03 17:08:53 2019 (19118) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 156, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147732.4526153+f423b0ba2693b41ffc3f829da2290639634c349d.pck' Oct 03 17:08:53 2019 (19118) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1570147732.4526153+f423b0ba2693b41ffc3f829da2290639634c349d — It also dumps some mail footer templates into the template directory that are owned by root, which seems … incorrect? Any thoughts on what’s going wrong here? Many thanks in advance! Really looking forward to having modern archives! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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Show diplay_name in a list
by ruben＠bkonrad.de Oct. 10, 2019

Oct. 10, 2019

Hello, I'm trying to figure out how to show the display_name of a member in postorius in Members > Subscriber. I was trying to add {{ member.diplay_name }} in the template ${postorius}/templates/postorius/lists/members.html Here an abstract of where I inserted the code: [...] {% for member in members %} <tr> {% if role == 'subscriber' %} <td> <label class="checkbox-inline"> <input type="checkbox" class="member-checkbox" name="choices" id="id_choices_{{ forloop.counter0 }}" value="{{ member.email }}" /> {{ member.display_name }} <{{ member.email }}> </label> [...] I could not figure out why it wouldn't work. I'm running mailman3 Version 3.1.1-9 on an Ubuntu 18.04. Any idea what I was missing there? Thanks in advance for any help. - Ruben

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Personalization issue when no To header?
by Alan So Oct. 8, 2019

Oct. 8, 2019

We have ported a number of lists from mailman 2 to mailman 3 earlier. We cannot find any personalization setting in the mailman 3 web UI or using the mailman client. It is fine as it is not essential. However, recently we notice an issue. As the lists in the mailman 2 probably have personalization turned on, it looks like that the setting are also migrated by using "mailman import21". Recently, some users start sending mail simply with Bcc without any addresses in the To header. We notice the following error: Oct 08 11:26:03 2019 (1832) Uncaught runner exception: 'to' Oct 08 11:26:03 2019 (1832) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 86, in deliver refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 163, in deliver callback(mlist, message_copy, msgdata_copy) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/personalized.py", line 58, in personalize_to msg.replace_header('To', formataddr((name, recipient))) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/email/message.py", line 558, in replace_header raise KeyError(_name) KeyError: 'to' After tracing the source codes above, we suspect that the issue was caused by no To header due to personalization is turned on. Any quick suggestion of workarounds such as how to turn off personalization for all lists? We do not have much experiences with mailman shell. Thanks a lot.

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Mailman 3 Internationalization setup
by Abhilash Raj Oct. 7, 2019

Oct. 7, 2019

Hi All, Mailman 3 is now setup for continuous internationalization. We are using Hosted Weblate[1], which is the hosted service for the Weblate project[2]. It is actually quite nice and I've been learning how to properly document a Django project from it's documentation. Which brings me to it's documentation. Weblate has great documentation for translators[2]. The UI pretty simple and should be easy to navigate around. We have setup the workflow in a way that each commit in Gitlab generates a webhook and updates Weblate. Weblate is then able to pull all the changes in real time. To pull translations back into Gitlab, I have a custom script running every night that pulls translations (as commits) and generates pull requests against the upstream repos. Weblate has the ability to automatically push the translations back, but for security reasons, I didn't want to give a 3rd party service direct push access to our repos. I've been working on a Patch to Weblate[3], which would allow it to send translations as Merge Requests (as compared to direct-push). After it is merged and deployed at hosted.weblate.org, I hope I can retire my custom script. We have setup the following projects: - Mailman Core (https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/mailman/) - Postorius* (https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/translations/) - Hyperkitty (https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/hyperkitty/) - Django-mailman3 (https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/django-mailman3/) There should be empty .po files generated for most languages supported by Django and Mailman Core. If there are any questions or bugs related to source strings, please send out an email to mailman-developers(a)python.org. The current translation %age is pretty low, hopefully we'll be ale to get it close to Mailman 2 sometime soon :) [1]: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/ [2]: https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/user/translating.html [3]: https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/pull/3024 [*] Yeah, the URL for Postorius is a bit weird, because it was called "translations" before. At the time, I didn't know the difference between a project and a translation component in Weblate terminologies. And they don't give out permissions to change the URL, so we're maybe stuck with it. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Mailman 3 installation documentation
by Abhilash Raj Oct. 7, 2019

Oct. 7, 2019

Hi All, I have been trying to work on revamping the documentation site we have at https://docs.mailman3.org. It is on https:// but I am not sure why the http->https redirect doesn't work in Readthedocs. I have set it to "serve always from https". Anyway, it might not look too different right now, but there are some small re-organizations. I have been learning some new ReST and Sphinx tricks and been trying to cross-reference and link various sections and settings. The docs site shows up Mailman's logo now (I didn't even know we could do that ;-). There is a place[1] for all supported Django settings that Postorius and Hyperkitty have. I am also planning to add some common Django settings that often people have to lookup and is not fun for people from non-python backgrounds. Hopefully, it will make lives easier for administrators. I have reverted my own stupid decision to use "sudo pip3 install" in the docs to instead use virtualenv. The installation docs are going to grow to be more comprehensive. I am also working on mailman-web project[3], which should simply installation process for all the web components using a single project and provide better guidance on Django's settings file management and howto run manage.py commands. I have added a `mailman-web` command, which, for those of you familiar with internal details of Django, is going to be our custom manage.py script. It sets up settings correctly and would hopefully reduce the pain of using `django-admin` and/or finding out the right path for `manage.py` script. It is still not ready for prime time, but it is usable. Early adopters can play with it if they like! I would really appreciate if people who have tried to manually install Mailman 3 in the past would share their experiences about what they think could be documented better. You can reply here or open an issue[2]. The user documentation are going to follow, hopefully soon :) [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#configure-postorius-hyp… [2]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/issues [3]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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confirm mail rejected
by Marc Sluiter Sept. 29, 2019

Sept. 29, 2019

Hi, im trying to setup mailman and have an issue: first my environment: - I’m running postfix etc with "mailcow-dockerized": https://mailcow.github.io/mailcow-dockerized-docs/ - I’m running mailman with "docker-mailman": https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ I got almost everything working (with some configuration modifications, see other mail). The only thing which doesn’t work is conformation mails, they are rejected: In the logs I see that postfix is trying both "liste-confirm+extension@domain" and "liste-confirm@domain" for another lookup map of type mysql (so "recipient_delimiter" is working), but not for the mailman map of type regexp. Just a wild guess, I didn't find anything about it: can it be that “recipient_delimiter" doesn't work for “regexp" maps? For now I worked around this issue by manually modifying the confirm regex in "postfix_lmtp” to /^liste-confirm\+.*(a)domain\.tld$/ Does anyone have an idea why the regexp map isn’t working for me and at least 1 other user (see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/401)? Would my workaround be a long term solution which could be implemented in mailman? That would mean that mailman could work independent of the “recipient_delimiter” setting (or do I oversee something?) Thanks and greetings, Marc

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Cannot show archives
by Qiuhong.Su �K秋�t Sept. 27, 2019

Sept. 27, 2019

Hi all, After I setup mailman3 and run mailman-suite, I can do: 1. Register user 2. Login 3. Create new Domain 4. Create new List 5. Subscribe to the list When I try to send email to the list by run command: echo ��test email�� | mail �Cs ��test email�� test(a)example.com<mailto:test@example.com> User test can receive this email, but I cannot find it on Archives, and other members cannot receive this email too. Can anyone help me? Thank you! Regards, Qiuhong ************************************************************************* This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. [Delta Electronics, INC. China] *************************************************************************

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Linking to a forum thread from a (news) website.
by Paul Arenson Sept. 25, 2019

Sept. 25, 2019

I have been struggling to get this right and I think I have finally done it. I have a website with many opinion and news articles. I have linked from the article to a pre-written thread, such as from here: EXAMPLE WEBSITE ARTICLE https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/remembering-the-tsushima-maru-disaster-75-… to EXAMPLE THREAD ON LIST Title: Remembering the Tsushima Maru Disaster 75 Years Later https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/hyperkitty/list/discuss@list.tokyoprogres… PROBLEM The problem is that this does not show the subsequent comment that was added. And SHOW REPLIES BY DATE does not do it either. SOLUTION I figured out that all replies are listed under Re:, so if the first comment does not have the Re:, then it gets cut off. So if I click https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/hyperkitty/list/discuss@list.tokyoprogres… you will see all the subsequent posts. Since I want to post a link BEFORE anyone starts replying, I have to make my first post in the thread titled Re: EXAMPLE OF NEW POSTING STYLE Make sure the thread has a Re: in it. (Actually I made a mistake and wrote Re; and it still worked.) https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/hyperkitty/list/discuss@list.tokyoprogres… Or: https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/hyperkitty/list/discuss@list.tokyoprogres… ----------------- QUESTION Am I correct that if I want to create a thread and link to it, but make sure the first note is included, I need to make the thread title: Re: Something? -----------------

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Manual setup - permissions
by Tobias Hachmer Sept. 25, 2019

Sept. 25, 2019

Hello, I'm new to mailman3 and started to setup an instance from scratch per hand, but I'm struggeling running the peaces with the correct user/permissions. I can't find anything regarding running this and that with that user in the docs, so I have the following: virtualenv_dir: /opt/venvs/mailman3 Installed packages in venv: - "Django>=1.11" - "django-haystack" - "libsass" - "mailman==3.3.0" - "mailmanclient" - "mailman-hyperkitty==1.1.0" - "postorius==1.3.0" - "hyperkitty==1.3.0" - "whoosh" - "uwsgi" I have installed the core stuff in /opt/mailman3/core, all is owned by user+group "mailman3": root@host:/opt/mailman3# tree . ├── core │ ├── etc │ │ ├── hyperkitty.cfg │ │ ├── mailman.cfg │ │ └── uwsgi.ini │ ├── log │ │ ├── bounce.log │ │ ├── debug.log │ │ ├── mailman.log │ │ ├── plugins.log │ │ └── smtp.log │ └── var │ ├── archives │ │ └── hyperkitty │ │ └── spool │ │ ├── ... │ ├── cache │ ├── data │ │ ├── mailman.db │ │ ├── postfix_domains │ │ ├── postfix_domains.db │ │ ├── postfix_lmtp │ │ └── postfix_lmtp.db │ ├── lists │ │ └── admin.lists.... │ ├── locks │ ├── master.lck │ ├── master.lck|...|...|... │ ├── master.pid │ ├── message" │ │ ├── ... │ ├── queue │ │ ├── archive │ │ ├── bad │ │ ├── bounces │ │ ├── command │ │ ├── digest │ │ ├── in │ │ ├── nntp │ │ ├── out │ │ ├── pipeline │ │ ├── retry │ │ ├── shunt │ │ └── virgin │ └── templates The django project is installed in /opt/mailman3/web, all is owned by user+group "nginx": └── web └── project ├── db │ └── mailmansuite.db ├── emails ├── fulltext_index │ └── _MAIN_0.toc ├── logs │ ├── mailmansuite.log │ ├── uwsgi-error.log │ └── uwsgi.log ├── manage.py ├── __pycache__ │ ├── settings.cpython-35.pyc │ └── urls.cpython-35.pyc ├── run │ └── uwsgi.sock ├── settings.py ├── static ├── urls.py └── wsgi.py The mailman3 core ist running with user+group "mailman3". And the uwsgi service is running as root with drops privileges to user+group "nginx". Now, running the scheduled tasks (which run from user+group "nginx") for django I ran into permission problems, because the nginx user can't access/write to the needed files in /opt/mailman3/core/... If anyone of you is able to read ansible tasks, this is how I set this up via ansible: https://github.com/freifunk-mwu/ansible-ffmwu/blob/mail/roles/service-bundl… I would appreciate any hints how to run the different peaces of mailman3 with the correct user/groups/permissions. Thanks in advance, Tobias

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Re: Issues with migrating from Mailman2 to Mailman 3
by Mark Sapiro Sept. 24, 2019

Sept. 24, 2019

On 9/23/19 12:03 AM, Paul Arenson wrote: > Thank you Mark. > > I found my solution. Simplifies things. People do not have to even > think about subscribing….. <snip> > How does that sound? OK -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Issues with migrating from Mailman2 to Mailman 3
by Uwe Grasshoff Sept. 23, 2019

Sept. 23, 2019

Hello all, I'm currently trying to convert a Debian based mailman2 installation to a docker based mailman3 installation. I successfully running the mailman-web and mailman-core containers together with the database container but I'm struggling with the import of the old mailing lists. In the core container I'm running this two commands for every mailing list: mailman create mailman(a)example.com mailman import21 mailman(a)example.com /oldmailman/lists/mailman/config.pck Then I'm switching over to the mailman-web container and running this two commands: python3.6 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l mailman(a)example.com /oldmailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox python3.6 manage.py update_index_one_list mailman(a)example.com I'm getting no errors or something else which could indicate a problem. After that I'm looking into the web interface http://example.com/postorius/lists/ There I can only see the public mailing list and the private ones are not shown there (as expected). When I then try to login with the List Manager credentials of the lists (from mailman2) I can't login in. So I thought maybe I have to "register" myself again to than get access to the list management. So I tried that but when I filled out the form and click "Register" I'm presented with an error page which titles "Serverfehler" (Server error in german) and the message "An error occurred while processing your request." When I then go back a step and try to register again I got the error message that the username is already taken. When I then try to login I can't login I always get the "An error occurred while processing your request." page. Does anyone have an idea what point I'm missing? -- With best Regards Uwe Grasshoff

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Weird response to postings after subscriptions and accounts
by Paul Arenson Sept. 23, 2019

Sept. 23, 2019

I accidentally posted to a test account I had not actually used. Am reposting to my correct account. Sorry to the moderators. In my test of the two forms of signup, I am getting these unexpected results. Is it my settings or is something weird within the program itself? 1) https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… 2) Choose "You can also subscribe without creating an account. If you wish to do so, please use the form below" 3) Then I have to approve it. They get "Welcome to the "Discuss" mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org 4) But I have to approve it.I assume this is because they do not yet have a real account. And they should be listed as a NON MEMBER? 5) But even when they sign up here: https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/signup/?next=%2Fpostorius%2Flist… they get an email from my provider (NOT MY LIST????) as follows: "Hello from mailman3.emwd.com! You're receiving this e-mail because user iCloud has given yours as an e-mail address to connect their account. To confirm this is correct, go to https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/confirm-email/MTE3:1iA44k:E7w7xh… Thank you from mailman3.emwd.com! mailman3.emwd.com" 6) And this is where it gets weird. If they send from their email program and get the welcome (Welcome to the "Discuss" mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org You can unsubscribe or make adjustments to your options via email by sending a message to....... I then get a notice: "Your mail to 'discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org' with the subject test notice Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The message is being held because: The message is not from a list member" 7) While if they send FROM THE interface it goes through. 8) What I am confused about. Signing up for an account should make them a member, right? Subscribing should make them a non member, no? But here it seems that both make them a non member. And worse, someone with an account sending from the Interface has their message get through while the same person sending from an email program has me get a notice that a non member is trying to post. Before I can move my actual members over from another mailing list provider, I want to make sure what works and what doesn't. Thanks. PS I am running out of test accounts to use to test my own setup. Thanks. paul!!!Subscribe to this list still shows up at the bottom.

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"Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25"
by Manos Pitsidianakis Sept. 22, 2019

Sept. 22, 2019

Hello, I've been getting "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25" from runner "out" in mailman.log over some mails stuck in shunt queue, postfix logs show nothing when this happens, tcpdump on lo interface port 25 shows nothing. The log shows up when I start mailman, and then it seems not to show up again. This is my mailman.cfg's relevant parts: [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: localhost lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix I can do 'telnet localhost 25' just fine, including as mailman user. I can send and receive mail on my mail server. I tried making a test list and sent/received messages fine. smtp debug logs show "Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object at 0x7fdd9793c940>" and "IndividualDelivery to: <email(a)address.tld>" on repeat, where the email address is one of the addresses of the shunted mails. version 3.2.2

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User integration with Django application
by Victoriano Giralt Sept. 21, 2019

Sept. 21, 2019

Hi! Is there a way to integrate Mailman3 user database with an already existing Django application? And then, generate the list roster with a subset of those users. I've been scavenging the archives and failing to find an answer. Thanks! -- Victoriano Giralt CIO University of Malaga +34952131415 SPAIN ================================================================== Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure ? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ?

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Huge performance issue: Mailman doesn't (seem to) receive any mails.
by Henrik Rasmussen Sept. 20, 2019

Sept. 20, 2019

I am running maxking/mailman-*:0.2 (GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato)). It looks like Mailman is not receiving (enough) mails, but are keps in the Postfix queue and I can't figure out why. I get a lot of "mail for [172.19.199.2]:8024 is using up 7841 of 7841 active queue entries" in the postfix container log (more postfix log at the buttom. I have restarted all Mailman containers this morning, but this didn't help anything. Last entries in Mailman's smtp.log were when we restarted the containers: Sep 18 08:30:02 2019 (36) Peer: ('172.19.199.1', 35454) Sep 18 08:30:02 2019 (36) ('172.19.199.1', 35454) handling connection Sep 18 08:30:13 2019 (36) ('172.19.199.1', 35454) EOF received Sep 18 08:30:13 2019 (36) Connection lost during _handle_client() Sep 18 08:30:13 2019 (36) ('172.19.199.1', 35454) connection lost Sep 18 08:30:18 2019 (36) Peer: ('172.19.199.1', 37164) Sep 18 08:30:18 2019 (36) ('172.19.199.1', 37164) handling connection Sep 18 08:30:20 2019 (36) ('172.19.199.1', 37164) EOF received Sep 18 08:30:20 2019 (36) Connection lost during _handle_client() Sep 18 08:30:20 2019 (36) ('172.19.199.1', 37164) connection lost The runners last ran at Sep 18 08:42:21 2019 The mailman.log updates constantly, but with "Sep 18 09:45:16 2019 (39) 172.19.199.3 - - "GET /3.0/users/" something something only or other http gets. A lot of them is 404 errors, but also a lot of "GET /3.0/lists/LISTNAME HTTP 200 responces, which should not be related. In "uwsgi-error.log" I get some tracebacks, but since I don't think should be related to incoming mails, I'll leave the traceback for now. Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/smtpd[5426]: connect from gateway[172.19.199.1] Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/smtpd[5426]: 45DAA7E97BE94: client=gateway[172.19.199.1] Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/cleanup[5429]: 45DAA7E97BE94: message-id=<A29DAD01610ED744A9D6F14880665668011C8A2C@P 1KITMBX01WC01.unicph.domain> Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix opendkim[19]: 45DAA7E97BE94: DKIM-Signature field added (s=default, d=listsgw.ku.dk) Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/smtpd[5426]: disconnect from gateway[172.19.199.1] Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/qmgr[98]: 45DAA7E97BE94: from=<sender(a)example.com>, size=7988, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/qmgr[98]: warning: mail for [172.19.199.2]:8024 is using up 7844 of 7844 active queue entries Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/qmgr[98]: warning: you may need to reduce lmtp connect and helo timeouts Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/qmgr[98]: warning: so that Postfix quickly skips unavailable hosts Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/qmgr[98]: warning: you may need to increase the main.cf minimal_backoff_time and maximal_backoff_time Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/qmgr[98]: warning: so that Postfix wastes less time on undeliverable mail Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/qmgr[98]: warning: you may need to increase the master.cf lmtp process limit Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/qmgr[98]: warning: please avoid flushing the whole queue when you have Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/qmgr[98]: warning: lots of deferred mail, that is bad for performance Sep 18 10:07:47 postfix postfix/qmgr[98]: warning: to turn off these warnings specify: qmgr_clog_warn_time = 0 [SLIP] Sep 18 10:26:34 postfix postfix/qmgr[98]: B34C07E980CA3: from=<LISTNAME(a)lists.example.com>, size=1219, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 18 10:26:34 postfix postfix/smtp[6559]: connect to sst-dk.mx1-dk.mailanyone.net[130.226.237.91]:25: Connection refused Sep 18 10:26:34 postfix postfix/smtp[6559]: connect to sst-dk.mx1-dk.mailanyone.net[::ffff:130.226.237.91]:25: Connection refused Sep 18 10:26:34 postfix postfix/smtp[6559]: connect to sst-dk.mx2-dk.mailanyone.net[::ffff:130.226.237.91]:25: Connection refused Sep 18 10:26:34 postfix postfix/smtp[6559]: connect to sst-dk.mx2-dk.mailanyone.net[130.226.237.91]:25: Connection refused Sep 18 10:26:34 postfix postfix/smtp[6559]: connect to sst-dk.mx3-dk.mailanyone.net[130.226.237.91]:25: Connection refused Sep 18 10:26:34 postfix postfix/smtp[6559]: B34C07E980CA3: to=<RECIPIENT(a)foo.bar>, relay=none, delay=420673, delays=420673/0.05/0.2/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to sst-dk.mx3-dk.mailanyone.net[130.226.237.91]:25: Connection refused) / Henrik Rasmussen

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My list has been switched from public to private archives, but they are still visible
by Paul Arenson Sept. 20, 2019

Sept. 20, 2019

Can anyone help with this? I set my list to private archives today. Up until then, it was pubic. And yet, if you go to the list page, you will see that if you click archives (top left), you can see them. (Filled with a bunch of tests posts for now) https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… Am I misunderstanding what a private archive is? Is something wrong with my setup (which is hosted)? Thank you.

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Mailing List Description that can't be modified by list owners
by chilfer＠unr.edu Sept. 20, 2019

Sept. 20, 2019

Is there a way to create an additional mailing list field or lock down the current Description or Information fields so they are not modifiable by a list owner? The goal is to have a field that identifies the department or area a list belongs to so that it's easier to find if an owner leaves the organization and the owner needs to be updated on multiple lists.

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Re: hosted signup is producing unexpected results
by tokyoprogressive＠mailbox.org Sept. 17, 2019

Sept. 17, 2019

I mistakenly posted twice. Please see: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Sent from my iPhone

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Execution of msgfmt failed when performing post upgrade steps
by Torge Riedel Sept. 17, 2019

Sept. 17, 2019

Hi, I'm currently running a test setup of MM3 using Mark Sapiros approach with two venv. I also adopted his post-upgrade-script for the web part (django). Just some minutes ago I updated the packages of my test setup with pip3 where hyperkitty is now 1.3.0 When runnin the post-upgrade-script I get the following error message: Execution of msgfmt failed: /opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/locale/nb_NO/LC_MESSAGES/django.po:630: duplicate message definition... /opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/locale/nb_NO/LC_MESSAGES/django.po:273: ...this is the location of the first definition msgfmt: found 1 fatal error Not sure whether this is an error of MM3 or one of its dependency packages. Best regards Torge

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hosted signup is producing unexpected results
by tokyoprogressive＠mac.com Sept. 17, 2019

Sept. 17, 2019

In my test of the two forms of signup, I am getting these unexpected results. Is it my settings or is something weird within the program itself? 1) https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… 2) Choose "You can also subscribe without creating an account. If you wish to do so, please use the form below" 3) Then I have to approve it. They get "Welcome to the "Discuss" mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org 4) But I have to approve it.I assume this is because they do not yet have a real account. And they should be listed as a NON MEMBER? 5) But even when they sign up here: https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/signup/?next=%2Fpostorius%2Flist… they get an email from my provider (NOT MY LIST????) as follows: "Hello from mailman3.emwd.com! You're receiving this e-mail because user iCloud has given yours as an e-mail address to connect their account. To confirm this is correct, go to https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/confirm-email/MTE3:1iA44k:E7w7xh… Thank you from mailman3.emwd.com! mailman3.emwd.com" 6) And this is where it gets weird. If they send from their email program and get the welcome (Welcome to the "Discuss" mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org You can unsubscribe or make adjustments to your options via email by sending a message to....... I then get a notice: "Your mail to 'discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org' with the subject test notice Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The message is being held because: The message is not from a list member" 7) While if they send FROM THE interface it goes through. 8) What I am confused about. Signing up for an account should make them a member, right? Subscribing should make them a non member, no? But here it seems that both make them a non member. And worse, someone with an account sending from the Interface has their message get through while the same person sending from an email program has me get a notice that a non member is trying to post. Before I can move my actual members over from another mailing list provider, I want to make sure what works and what doesn't. Thanks. paul!!!

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HyperKitty and duplicate emails across maillists
by Derek Lambert Sept. 17, 2019

Sept. 17, 2019

How does HyperKitty handle duplicate messages/message-ids across maillists? We have quite a few lists that are members of other lists. I'm in the process of importing our old Mailman 2.1 archives and seeing a lot of duplicate message errors, and wondering if this is why. Would new messages coming into Mailman be handled the same way? Thanks, Derek

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Template's encoding setup
by Ugnius Sept. 15, 2019

Sept. 15, 2019

I use Lithuanian language (it has special characters like ąčįū...) for regular message template feature. I noticed that some posts come correct, but some have question marks (?) in places of these characters. Looks like there is sittings trick. But footers adds mailman, so it should be always correct, or it depends on senders environment setup? Kind regards Ugnius

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Weird recipient
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 12, 2019

Sept. 12, 2019

Both before and after upgrading tonight, my lists send out bizarre recipients that I cannot understand. It usually happens at the end of the distribution to other valid recipients. Sep 5 10:05:54 www postfix/smtp[3344]: A5DF9FA14E: to=<0101016d00e302ec-4db56da5-fd69-4b5e-9327-292c55e13ea8-000000(a)us-west-2.amazonses.com>, relay=email-smtp.us-west-2.amazonaws.com[52.36.120.66]:587, delay=2.4, delays=0/0/2.2/0.22, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.us-west-2.amazonaws.com[52.36.120.66] said: 501 Invalid MAIL FROM address provided (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) Help! This behaviour is able to be replicated - it happens on every post. Andrew

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Alter Messages: Reply to confusion
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 12, 2019

Sept. 12, 2019

This is one thing I am confused about. The explanations in the settings about No Munging, etc. are not completely clear. MY GOAL What I want to make sure, since this is a discussion list, is that most messages go to the mailing list, not to individuals. I plan to put something in one of the templates to remind people that a reply goes to the discussion list. If they do not want to send it to everyone, they should send to the original poster. 1) I understand there are plusses and minuses but I am not sure I understand the explanation given. If it IS preferable to use NO MUNGING, how do I make sure that this is easy to accomplish? 2) I can put something in the footer of every message to remind people, but first I need confirmation of what I should choose in this section. Thanks in advance.

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Mailman 3 installation, no mails in hyperkitty, unable to add footer.
by ugniusviln＠gmail.com Sept. 12, 2019

Sept. 12, 2019

I have read documentation, but still have stupid questions, could You please help, because I can't make it working. I do not understand something important. I have no experience with python at all. I have mailman 3, python 3.5 in my debian OS system, and additional packages like uwsgi and ect. using https://buildmedia.readthedocs.org/media/pdf/gnu-mailman/latest/gnu-mailman… about till chapter 6. I understand mailman suite has hyperkitty already. But I am not sure about: 1. Does mailman-suite have hyper-kitty inside? Because if I run $python manage.py runserver - it runs. In installed it under dedicated OS user home and fonfigured to run. I can create lists, event add lists to hyperkitty page using: $django-admin runjob new_lists_from_mailman list server sends messages to list members as well. But nothing happens more. No emails come to hyperkitty, arciver log 0 size. $ python manage.py runjobs -l shows the lists of the jobs, so seems nothing to add. Except uwsgi.ini, I have only 2 configuration files in mailman-suite project directory: settings.py and mailman.cfg So I do not understand what did I configured badly. 2. If I (using Postorius web interface) add footer template to my list under regular message, something strange happens. Mailman stops to send messages for list members. No any entries in the logs. Just Mailman log writes: "unable to connect localhost port 25" and no more explanation. If I delete list's footer template (web interface), mailman starts working again. What is bad here? How to add custom footer? In mailman 2 if was working so good and was easy to setup.

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Suspend a list temporarily
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 12, 2019

Sept. 12, 2019

Is there any way to do this, while keeping other lists running?

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Re: HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER
by Ugnius S Sept. 11, 2019

Sept. 11, 2019

Could You please confirm that this parameter should be placed in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file? I have checked mailman/postorius/hyperkitty owner user can write files there and web user group has privileges to write and to read, but *no any files appear there*. Mailman works, it is possible to download attachments from hyperkitty. Mailman restarted, uwsgi restarted, runjobs restarted. No files in /full/path/to/folder/ File looks like: [general] base_url: https://flistserv.example.com/hyperkitty/ api_key: BlaBlabla HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = /full/path/to/folder/ BR Ugnius 2019-09-11, tr, 21:21 Ugnius S <ugniusviln(a)gmail.com> rašė: > Thank You so much. > > 1) https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html > Close to the end before the "UPDATE" topic, chapter "Customization". > > 2) > https://buildmedia.readthedocs.org/media/pdf/hyperkitty/stable/hyperkitty.p… > Page 10, chapter 2.8 "Customization" > > BR > Ugnius > > 2019-09-11, tr, 20:16 Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> rašė: > >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Ugnius S wrote: >> > Hi. >> > >> > Can anybody send example how to set it? It is mentioned in >> documentation, >> > but very vaguely. >> >> If you can point out where did you find it in docs, I can update it. >> Information is kind of duplicated in a few places. >> >> > HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = /full/unix/path >> >> This is the right value. >> >> It is a path on the filesystem, where the user running Hyperkitty is >> allowed to write. >> >> > >> > HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = http://localhost:8000/something >> > >> > HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = ./var/data/something/ >> > >> > Has anybody experience of using this, maybe have recommendations of >> using >> > it? Better under project user or better under web content owner where >> the >> > static content is. I would like to store attachments separately to avoid >> > growing database. >> > Hyperkitty documentation: >> > By default, HyperKitty stores the email attachments in the database. >> If >> > you would rather have them stored on the filesystem, you can set the >> > HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER configuration value to a directory. >> > Make sure that the user running the Django process (for example, apache >> or >> > www-data) has the permissions to write in this directory. >> > >> > ------------- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > >> >> -- >> thanks, >> Abhilash Raj (maxking) >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> >

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HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER
by Ugnius S Sept. 11, 2019

Sept. 11, 2019

Hi. Can anybody send example how to set it? It is mentioned in documentation, but very vaguely. HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = /full/unix/path HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = http://localhost:8000/something HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER = ./var/data/something/ Has anybody experience of using this, maybe have recommendations of using it? Better under project user or better under web content owner where the static content is. I would like to store attachments separately to avoid growing database. Hyperkitty documentation: By default, HyperKitty stores the email attachments in the database. If you would rather have them stored on the filesystem, you can set the HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER configuration value to a directory. Make sure that the user running the Django process (for example, apache or www-data) has the permissions to write in this directory. -------------

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Custom templates error and archive link
by Ugnius S Sept. 11, 2019

Sept. 11, 2019

My server uses https connection. According this error seems that certificate of course has not localhost written in it: requests.exceptions.SSLError: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /mailman3/api/ templates/list/example.com/list:user:notice:welcome (Caused by SSLError(CertificateError("hostname 'localhost' doesn't match either of 'listserv.example.com', 'example.com', 'www.example.com ",),)) ------ Second question, is archiver template example: $hyperkitty_url: Permalink to archived message in Hyperkitty If to set as in the example, then it add " : " to the end of the line, and link does not work. I would recommend to update it. My question is: My server's address is listserv.example.com, but mailman to email message variable $hyperkitty replaces like https://example.com/.... What does then happen? https://example.com does not point to my web interface address. I have resolved it with the Apache2 redirection tools, but is it possible to set it correct in mailman's configuration? Kind regards Ugnius

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mailman-users archive search
by Mark Dale Sept. 10, 2019

Sept. 10, 2019

Is this list's search function kaput, or is it an issue with MM3, or is it me? *** https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/search?mlist=mailman-users%40mailman3.o… *** Mailman-users search results for query "Postorius" mailman-users(a)mailman3.org 0 messages Sorry no email could be found for this query. /Mark

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django 2.2.5 which is incompatible
by Mark Dale Sept. 10, 2019

Sept. 10, 2019

Hi, On Debian, in the process of setting up Mailman 3.3.0 I'm getting: $ pip3 install postorius ... django-mailman3 1.3.0 has requirement Django<2.2,>=1.11, but you'll have django 2.2.5 which is incompatible. ... Successfully installed Django-2.2.5 ... Which may or may not be causing a later error when creating superuser: ImportError: No module named django.core.management Am I missing the obvious somewhere? Thanks, Mark

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Google auth issue redirect_uri_mismatch
by Ugnius S Sept. 9, 2019

Sept. 9, 2019

Hi. New question about configuration, maybe somebody has experience and know what I should change it. I have tried to implement Google authorisation. I have created Google credentials keys and successfully added using Django admin page. I use UWSGI proxy for apache setup like "ProxyPass / http://127.0.0.1:8002", UWSGI runs on 0.0.0.0:8002. (So Appache from external address redirects to internal) What happens when I try Google auth... If I set Authorised redirect URIs: http://lists.example.com/accounts/google/login/callback/ , Google gives me error 400 Error: redirect_uri_mismatch and requests for: http://127.0.0.1:8002/accounts/google/login/callback/ If I set that requested address to Google, then Google authorises me, but and after authorisation redirects to http://127.0.0.1:8002/accounts/google....../.... (very long line) Of course this internal address does not open, but... If I just manually replace part of address just: http://127.0.0.1:8002 replace to https://lists.example.com/.../...(long line) this makes me get in as authorised user to the page. How to make django to send external request to Google? Because Google should not point back to internal address... This seems simple, but I do not find what I should change in the configuration: Apache or Django or uwsgi.ini I hope anybody of You have experience and made it to run. Kind regards Ugnius

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Downloads corrupt
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 8, 2019

Sept. 8, 2019

Latest upgrade version has not improved matters. When I download, the file is generated but it is ten bytes long and obviously therefore corrupt. Why am I the only one seeing this error? What can I do to diagnose it? Andrew

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Dmarc settings and
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 8, 2019

Sept. 8, 2019

In a long thread I asked this but have not gotten a clear enough explanation. Presumably, to insure fewer problems with users of Yahoo etc,, there seem to be two settings: 1) Alter messages 2) Dmarc mitigations I don’t understand how my choice in one affect the other, if they do even, Two experts have tried to help, but I think I need a little hand holding. I understand there is no consumer ready manual and all I have found us this: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/docs/dmarc-mi… My settings; REPLY GOES TO LIST (alter messages)--current settings REPLACE FROM: with list (DMARC mitigations) -> current settings DMARCH Mitigation YES OR NO (DMARC mitigations)--> currently NO I was told that Dmarc mitigations YES might prevent people from not getting mail How about Replace from with list? How about reply goes to list? In other words, what is the relationship between these two different menu items and the effect of the settings in one on the settings of the other? Can anyone help a confused would be happy user? Thanks? If so, what about the Alter Messages settings:

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sqlite3 Database "read only" error on mailman_sync job
by ugniusviln＠gmail.com Sept. 6, 2019

Sept. 6, 2019

Hi. All the project installation is under the same user / path and it works. Archiving working as well, (just one remark: no matter what to set in postorius, hyperkitty shows list as public) I have found work around - it is possible to change list as private in "admin" page. I started to get issues with runjobs after I have created couple of new lists with "no archive" option. If as owner user from project home I run: django-admin mailman_sync Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/user/.local/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/home/user/.local/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 383, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) sqlite3.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database "django-admin runjob sync_mailman " - makes read only errors as well. "django-admin runjob new_lists_from_mailman" django.db.utils.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database END TRACEBACK I did not find information how to fix this. It was worked without errors before. I noticed, that if I stop mailman, "django-admin mailman_sync" starts to work. If I start "mailman start", then "django-admin mailman_sync" failing again. I did not check other jobs, but I think what is related to database, will get errors. Seems mailman locking the database. It is not a file permissions issue. Mailman db location is: /project_directory/var/data/mailman.db if to rename /project_directory/var/data/mailman.db to something, mailman creates database file size 0, django-admin runjobs start working, but of course postorius stops working. I did it for testing. I have returned this database file back, postorius started to work again, but django-admin runjobs does not work, error: "database read only". Please help me how to fix this issue.

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Mass subscribe bug - if you delete and re-add users it does not use updated info
by roger＠reasonal.com Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Hi all -- think this is a bug. I had added some users as a mass subscribe. Some were Name Surname <name(a)foo.bar> format, some were just email addresses. I wanted to update the member list with complete name & email addresses. I unsubscribed the partials, and re-added them as full versions. However the updated member list keeps showing the partial address only. This bug also works the other way. I added "Bob Smith <bob(a)bob.com>", checked it was there in list. Unsubscribed the address, and then re-added as "bob(a)bob.com" -- now in the members list it appears as the full "Bob Smith <bob(a)bob.com>.

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Posting replies vs starting a thread via email
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

In my tests where replies go to the list, when a person uses the email client? So far a reply to the original message and a reply to a reply to a reply all go in the same thread. Is this standard? Do I have to warn users not to have endless Re re re re? And the other question is what happens if a user sends a message via email with a new subject? Does the list accept it as a new thread? This should be one of my last big questions. Thank you. Paul

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Mailman Suite release announcement
by Abhilash Raj Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Hi All, I am pleased to announce new releases for Mailman Suite, including - Mailman Core 3.3.0 (Tom Swayer) - Mailmanclient 3.3.0 - django-mailman3 1.3.0 - Postorius 1.3.0 - Hyperkitty 1.3.0 This is a feature release and also includes a bunch of bugfixes. I am really really thankful to a lot of contributors who have helped out with this release. It is really nice to see Mailman 3 gaining more users and contributors. Python 3.5 is the minimum supported version, but all the releases have been tested to work with Python 3.5-3.7. This is the last release to support Python 3.5 since it has been in security only maintenance mode for a while now. Some of the highlights of this release includes: Mailman Core 3.3.0 - Support for ARC signing. Thanks to Gene Shuman and Stephen Turnbull. - Many many improvements to "mailman import21" command. Thanks to Mark Sapiro. - Addition of French templates. Thanks to Stéphane Parunakian. - A better and more scalable REST API server using Gunicorn. - Support for SMTPS/STARTTLS. Thanks to J08ny. A full copy of change log is available at: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html Postorius 1.3.0 - Many more settings for MailingList configuration exposed, including preferred language, digest related settings. - Support for FILTER_VHOST to filter MailingLists based on the serving domain. Thanks to Nate Coraor. - Ability to write MailingList info in Markdown to render info in HTML instead of Plaintext. A full copy of change log is available at: https://postorius.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html Hyperkitty 1.3.0 - Unread messages, when logged in, are more easily recognizable with blue envelope icon. - Improved thread view with colored background for quoted parts of messages. - Improved readability on small screens by removing the indentation in thread view. A full copy of the change log is available at: https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html All the packages are available to download from PyPi (https://pypi.org) https://pypi.org/project/postorius/ https://pypi.org/project/hyperkitty/ https://pypi.org/project/django-mailman3/ https://pypi.org/project/mailman/ https://pypi.org/project/mailmanclient/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Re: Amazon SES
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

No, out of the sandbox, and fully verified. Andrew On 5/9/19 12:18 pm, S. Selby Mats Mats wrote: > Are you still in the “Amazon SES sandbox”?

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Amazon SES
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Is it possible to use Amazon SES with Mailman? Despite my best efforts, I have conclusively verified my sending domain, but Amazon SES rejects mails with the 'sender email not verified' message. If you verify a domain, you do not have to verift individual senders. The help from amazon SES mentions it looks at several headers, but I am not sure what is what. Has anybody had success with this? Andrew'

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My email address appears in quoted test in my list. Hoot change that.
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Hi. I thought I had the settings right, but I do not see one to get rid of this. My name appears as "On Tue, Sep 3, 2019, at 9:26 PM, paul(a)domainname.org wrote. How can I hide that?

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How to delete an archive
by Andrew Bernard Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

I deleted a list but I want to delete the archive as well. How do you do that? Also, I had a list called Test. I deleted it. I made a new list called Testing, with a different email address, bu the archive points to the test list. This seems to be messed up. Why? I am sorry to say I have had continuous trouble with many aspects of Hyperkitty from the beginning several months ago. I know that is not helpful, but I am starting to wonder about all this. Andrew

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Editing templates from settings
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Hello again. Gradually coming along thanks to the help of other members. One thing I want to do is edit my headers or footers to have key info about my site. But it seems even if I skip spaces, when a message is received the spaces disappear. Likewise, is there any way to add basic formatting like BOLD? For example, if I make a footer like this... Skipping a space here __/__/__/__/__/_/__/__/__/__/ Our List _/__/__/__/__/_/__/__/__/__/ Skipping a space here ...the centering disappears, as do the skipped spaces, meaning the message after a header or before a footer looks cluttered, Is there a fix? Thank you.

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Editing templates from settings
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Hello again. Gradually coming along thanks to the help of other members. One thing I want to do is edit my headers or footers to have key info about my site. But it seems even if I skip spaces, when a message is received the spaces disappear. Likewise, is there any way to add basic formatting like BOLD? For example, if I make a footer like this... Skipping a space here __/__/__/__/__/_/__/__/__/__/ Our List _/__/__/__/__/_/__/__/__/__/ Skipping a space here ...the centering disappears, as do the skipped spaces, meaning the message after a header or before a footer looks cluttered, Is there a fix? Thank you.

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Save original message/headers in HyperKitty?
by Derek Lambert Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Is it possible to configure HyperKitty to store the original messages, or the headers? Has this ever been discussed? Thanks, Derek Lambert

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Basic settings for a discussion list
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 5, 2019

Sept. 5, 2019

Over the last 20 hours I have been trying to figure out setup for list members to sign up. One person has kindly helped out, though I am still unsure of the difference between the several signups. That thread is here and I welcome more advice. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… But it occurs to me that my problem is that I have not actually configured my list. So this thread is for help on that. I have found a guide for general users here: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/userguide.html But I have only found a highly technical guide for administrators here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… It is written for coders and I am looking for a guide similar to the one for users. It seems not to exist yet. WHAT I WANT Discussion only list. Ideally anyone who signs up via the various ways should be able to get the archives and post via email and the interface if they want. The list should be closed to others. In the absence of any guide, all I can do is cross check with you guys and hope I am on the right track. I am non technical, although I managed a Mailman 2 list without difficulty. 1) FIRST ANOMALY Under https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ I see myself twice: List Name Subscription Address Delivery Mode Role discuss.list.tokyoprogressive.org paul(a)tokyoprogressive.org None member discuss.list.tokyoprogressive.org paul(a)tokyoprogressive.org regular owner Is this correct? I added My name in one field somewhere and this is the result. I even got a welcome message. I think it is because I subscribed to my own list.If this was not necessary, what should I do? Global based preferences are listed. Address and email based ones are not showing either enabled or disabled. 2) MANAGE LISTS For myself I have done the following in my MAILING LIST SETTINGS Subscribe to this list My email and name (Maybe that is why i am listed twice) Now I see 3) Users For now only me- I am listed as member and owner. There will be no other moderators or owners I have no idea what a non member is (if they register aren't they a member?) 4) Templates This is showing nothing at this point. Before it was. I am not sure what i did to stop it from showing. Perhaps because I made it a private list? 5) Settings a) List identity I have it set for NOT SHOWING on the Index page because I will link to it from my news magazine website as a way to comment on articles. Is this ok? Other data will be filled in later. I think I am confusing this with private list. I also will have no other list. b) AUTO RESPOND LIST OWNER-- I added a short note thanking people. Respond and Continue Processing c) AUTO RESPOND POSTER--Your message has been been received. If you are a member, it should be posted soon. Respond and Continue Processing d) AUTO RESPOND REQUESTS--No auto response OTHER THINGS DEFAULT e) URL WELCOME MESSAGE--NOT SURE. I want people to subscribe themselves but I also have 500 people from another list from DADA I will import. I want them automatically be able to post. Is it possible? If so, I hope to add them manually. DO I compose a text on my website and welcome them by adding the URL, or enter it in my list? f) NOTIFY OF MEMBERSHIP CHANGES--Yes g) ALTER MESSAGES ---I have left most things as they are. However, as this is a discussion list, I want replies ONLY to go to the list. I chose that. h) DMARC --I have left as is i) DIGEST--I have left as is 6) MASS OPERATIONS--I have left as is 7) BAN--left as is 8) MESSAGE ACCEPTANCE--I have left as is 9) HEADER FILTERS--left as is 10) ARCHIVES--Private Archives (Maybe this is why templates do not show???) 11) SUBSCRIPTION POLICY--MODERATE-- I intend to send them an email to confirm their reasons for subscribing to avoid spammers. LAST THING. My Gravity does not work. I edited it online as per instructions but it does not appear. That is all I can think of. Thanks in advance. paul

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Trying to configure a list (hosted)
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 4, 2019

Sept. 4, 2019

Is there a how to on how to configure a list? For example, using a hosted option, I see this menu: Subscription requests Held messages Users Templates Settings Mass operations Banned addresses Header filters And cling on settings, for example. I have already removed my list from the list of lists on the server since I want my website users to only see my list. They can either do that here https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… or here https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/signup/ I actually do not WANT people to join without being able to use the web interface because it is intended to be a discussion list. So the option to subscribe without creating an account. is confusing to me, which is why I prefer the latter. BUT...using a test of signing up myself (using 3 other email addresses I have), some using the subscription option and some using the bottom one (no account), all the email addresses end up in my members list and non end up in my non members list. (So I am wondering what a non member is. I had thought it was someone who signed up without registering (just name, no password), but if so i wonder why all 3 of my addresses end up in the members place. Lastly, I want to configure it as a discussion list. However, I do not see that option, which was clear in MAILMAN 2. (And I understand that if someone registers without making an account, I cannot set them myself to have an account enabling them to see the archives and post from the web? If it IS possible, that would be great, because the purpose of the archives in my case is to enable better discussions than if one has only to refer to their past emails.) That is about it for now, but I am stuck on this right now and a user manual for non techie people, if it exists, would be nice. I see one for list members but not administrators. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place? Thanks paul

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Settings: No templates are visible in settings
by paul＠arenson.org Sept. 3, 2019

Sept. 3, 2019

I am struggling to find out why I do not see TEMPLATES in the Settings. When I first logged they were there. Many of them. Then, toying with the settings, they disappeared. I cannot find them now. Originally i thought I would not list the mailing list but changed my mind. Likewise, archives are now listed as public. I am still thinking about that. In any case, I want to see if there are templates to allow me to change headers or footers in messages, such as give the address of the list. Thank you for your advice. P.S> Sorry i asked too many questions the other day. Trying to keep this brief.

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still up to date?
by mailman3＠malevil.cc Aug. 27, 2019

Aug. 27, 2019

I have subscribed to the following rss feeds to keep track of updates: https://libraries.io/pypi/mailman/versions.atom https://libraries.io/pypi/mailman-hyperkitty/versions.atom https://libraries.io/pypi/HyperKitty/versions.atom https://libraries.io/pypi/postorius/versions.atom https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/commits/master?feed_token=yitiVdhX… but none of them was updated for half a year, is that actually the status? No current releases or updates for mailman3?

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Status of hosting options after a year for non techies
by paul＠arenson.org Aug. 26, 2019

Aug. 26, 2019

Hi all This is Paul Arenson in Japan. I temporarily dropped off the list year ago when it was clear there was no Cpanel Solution forthcoming. I thought I would check in again. I used to be on CPanel and I was advised it might be a wait. 1) I am now on Plesk. I heard Plesk might allow Docker and installation may be possible. Am I misinformed or a possibility? --->Assuming no, I guess jump to question 4. 2) Assuming yes, I see a list of people who can possibly help install. https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20consulting%20services Only a few people on it. Has anyone used any or can recommend someone. 3) There is also a Python list, but before I submit a request, is this something that works on general. For example, when a new version or bug release comes up, will I need to call on the person or persons again? Is it still better to wait? 4) Hosting services: Only a few listed at https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services are or Mailman 3. Has anyone used this: https://mailman3.com The site seems incomplete. Or this: https://maadix.net/en/servers Looks good. Might be a bit expensive for my use. Or this: https://www.mailmanhost.com/mailman-3-hosting/ Also looks good. A long time ago we corresponded. They seem reasonable. My list is about 700 people. These seem to be the same people: https://www.emwd.com/mailman-3-shared-list-hosting/ Any others I should know about? Thanks in advance. paul arenson japan

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