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Proper permissions for mailman installation under home directory, with layout: local
by Eric Abrahamsen 03 Oct '18

03 Oct '18

I recently upgraded my server from Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04, and have hit some snags in the process. I've had my mailman3 installation under my home directory, running as my own user, without too many problems. var_dir was set to something in my home directory. Recently, while tracking down some weird behavior, I realized that with this sort of setup I'm supposed to use "layout: local", and that previously I'd had a sort of weird half-way installation where some things were kept in my /home/<me>/sites/mailman directory, and other bits (pids and whatnot) were scattered around the filesystem. Now that I'm using "layout: local", mailman really is trying to keep everything under that main directory, and now everything's breaking. The hyperkitty search indexer is saying it has no permissions to write into that directory, postfix won't deliver mail, saying the mailbox is unavailable, and in the web UI postorius shows no configured list domains (though hyperkitty still displays the archives correctly). So obviously I've got quite a big problem with permissions, but I don't know how to resolve it. My webserver is nginx, running as www-data. I'm starting mailman in a systemd script, with User and Group set to my user -- though maybe that should be set to root? I guess postfix runs as root, I'm not sure, but obviously it's not able to read the files in var/data/*, which appear all correct to me. What's the recommended solution here? I'd still like to keep this whole directory under my home directory, if possible... Thanks, Eric

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About the link destination of the logo image of the homepage
by Ooyama Yosiyuki 01 Oct '18

01 Oct '18

At next page: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ Despite the fact that "Mailman" is written in the logo on the upper left of the screen, However if I click the logo image on the upper left of the screen,then it is to move to https://www.gnu.org/software/ I think it is strange. In the Wikipedia English version, the following address is introduced as mailman's website. www.gnu.org/software/mailman/

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Hyperkitty splitting threads?
by Marvin Gülker 30 Sep '18

30 Sep '18

Hi, I'm experiencing a problem with regard to how Hyperkitty decides how to group messages into a thread. It appearently randomly splits a thread and creates a new one from the replies, even though the replies have the proper In-Reply-To: header set. As of now, the front page for our mailing list[1] illustrates the issue nicely: the "TSC Boost Build Issues" topic has been split over three threads for no appearent reason, and the "Providing an APT repository" one in two. Sometimes replies are collected into the proper thread, though (see the latter thread). Exact links follow as the front page can change later on: * The "Boost Build Issues" topic (these should all be in one thread page): * https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… * https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… * https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… * The "APT repository" topic (these should all be in one thread page as well): * https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… * https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… This is Mailman 3.2.0 with Hyperkitty 1.2.0. We will shortly upgrade Hyperkitty to the current version, but since I didn't find something related in the release notes for newer versions, I thought I'd ask here if the problem is known. Also, is there a way to rebuild the thread structure so that the existing errorneous splits can be corrected? Marvin [1]: https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F

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Docker-mailman: Performance issue
by Henrik Rasmussen 28 Sep '18

28 Sep '18

I am using Docker-mailman (currently Mailman version 3.2.0a1). I have a list with 38513 subscribers and when I operate on a very large number of them (for example click Unsubscribe all), the web interface times out. The same happens if I use the REST API, one member at the time, but run from a python script i've made). The Docker containers for both Mailman core (mostly) and mailman web (sometimes) are using 100% CPU (quart of the server's amount of CPUs). By doubleing the CPU shares that the two docker containers can use (using RHEL Cockpit) from 1024 to 2048 for each, Mailman-core had a max usage of 190% and Mailman-web about 101%. Still, mass unsubscribing the members by clicking Unsubscribe all made theinterface time out. Using the REST API succeeded unsubscribing all, but still made the Mailman web interface inaccessible. How can I make Docker-mailman perform better, to avoid these timeouts. -- Henrik Rasmussen University of Copenhagen

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Where is the site to translate HyperKitty?
by Ooyama Yosiyuki 27 Sep '18

27 Sep '18

Where can I translate HyperKitty(GNU Mailman v3)? please tell me.

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Dump/restore users (with passwords) via API
by Dmitry Makovey 26 Sep '18

26 Sep '18

We are trying to dump/restore users using API calls and it seems that API allows us to dump password hashes (a good thing), but then API does not allow to insert users back using saved password hashes - only cleartext passwords. Aside from create_user is there any other way to create users/change their password? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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List description as sender
by Henrik Rasmussen 26 Sep '18

26 Sep '18

When receiving a mail from Mailman 3, the From: User name is the description of the list, like From: Long desription of the list for all members of certain project <project(a)lists.example.com>. Starting to get old, I recall something about a discussion we once had on http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/, but I don't recall the reason for this and I can't find the discussion, so it might be something I dreamed. What was the reason for implementing this? And could it be a selectable choise in Mailman 3?

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Disable Archive for a mailing list
by Hagen Bauer 24 Sep '18

24 Sep '18

Hi to all, is there a way to totally disable the archive of a mailing list? I would like to setup mailman as a "mailforwarder" without the ability to store the mails Regards Hagen

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Text encoding problem, preapproved header
by Thor Atle Rustad 20 Sep '18

20 Sep '18

Mailman 3.2. I send a message to the list with some national characters (æøå ÆØÅ), and everything shows up fine. Then I send the same message using pseudo-header approved: with the list password. This messes up the character encoding, so that instead I get (=C3=A6=C3=B8=C3=A5 =C3= =86=C3=98=C3=85) I experience the problem when I send or receive with Gmail web client, however, when using the Claws-mail (an ordinary mail client) to pick up from my gmail account, the contents is shown correctly. Any suggestions?

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Rejection based on total message size including attachments
by leith＠khimaira.com 20 Sep '18

20 Sep '18

As a web hosting provider I have searched and searched for a way to limit the total size of messages posted to all lists. We have moderators who just can't get it through their heads to limit the size of attachments. One list today distributed a 6 mb pdf to over 700 recipients. I have found information on creating a custom handler and some old and brief logic on limiting max_message_size from Mr. Sapiro. Would anyone who has developed a custom handler to reject messages based on total size, mind sharing the full file? If so, could you also state where the handler was positioned in the chain of handlers. Thank you for your time.

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Set domain inactive / archive import from other domain.
by Johannes Winter 19 Sep '18

19 Sep '18

Dear list, we've migrated a list from another domain and would like to keep the archives. Hyperkitty doesn't recognize the emails in the mbox archive during import due to the other domain name. As a workaround we thought of creating a placeholder list with the original and than import the mbox. But actually I don't like to have dysfunctional lists in the domain list. Is it possible to set domains invisible? Or is there a switch to import a list from another domain? Best regards, Johannes Winter

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Disable "confirmation emails"
by Hagen Bauer 19 Sep '18

19 Sep '18

Hi to all, even after a lot of google search I could not find a way to disable the Confirmation Mails like .... The results of your email command are provided below. - Original message details: ....... Is there a way to do this? I have users who would be irritated and I dont want them to recieve this Regards Hagen

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Counter-intuitive header filter processing
by Jonas Meurer 18 Sep '18

18 Sep '18

Hello, it seems like the way mailman3 processes header filters is a bit counter-intuitive. With a header filter (HeaderMatch) like the following: header => from pattern => .*(a)freesources.org chain => accept I expect mails from *(a)freesources.org to be accepted regardless of the default message acceptance settings. Apparently, that's not the case. If the default message acceptance setting for members is set to "reject", then mails from *(a)freesources.org get rejected even though the header filter says "accept". In other words, the default message acceptance action seems to overrule any header filters. Is this expected behaviour? Kind regards jonas

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New platform administrators
by Hellen Cubero 18 Sep '18

18 Sep '18

Hello! I would like to know how to add a new site administrator to the mailman 3.2 platform. Can you help me please?

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Using as a forum
by tokyoprogressive＠mailbox.org 18 Sep '18

18 Sep '18

Our group of 30 plus people have the perennial problem in MM II of not checking previous messages before replying. A second problem is starting a new topic rather than responding to a message in the same topic, which makes searching even harder. I previously suggested a forum or something like Stack or Flock. People had no interest in a Word Press forum yet moan about the inefficiency of a list, also it is something new and involves leaving email. Stack and Flock make it hard to require all to be a member of all topics in their free versions. Then it occurred to me, the threaded view in Mailman III looks good and could help us nudge people back on topic. Am I being too optimistic. It is a closed group only open to people we approve. I would like to migrate to MM III but lack the technical skills to fo this? Anyone who could do this for a fee? We probably do not need to bring in the old topics. (I guess there us no way like a forum to limit the topics but at least we could keep things on track). Thanks Paul Arenson Japan Association for Language Teaching Sent from my iPhone

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How to connect mailman into existing postfix server
by Hagen Bauer 16 Sep '18

16 Sep '18

Hi to all, I am trying to setup mailman3 with the Docker Image. Everythings works relative nicely but I am blocked by the Postfix integration part. I have a small postfix server that is delivering mails to known domains and an alias map. The standard use case assumes that the external postfix is only routing mails to the mailman lmtp. If I do this all my old users are recected. I am looking for an example(s) to integrate mailman into a Postfix configuration as an additional target for postfix. Any hints Regards Hagen

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Stability issues
by schultmc＠cinlug.org 14 Sep '18

14 Sep '18

We're currently piloting Mailman3 to replace a failing Ecartis installation. We've had to push back our go live date several times due to stability issues with our Mailman 3 installation. We currently have Mailman core 3.2.0 running on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.5 with 2 vCPUs, 8GB RAM and 25GB swap space. Occasionally, we see mailman become unresponsive both via the REST API and the web UI. We haven't seen anything glaring in the logs but would be happy to check further. I know Mailman 3 powers many large lists and would appreciate any performance, stability and tuning information that can be provided.

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Memory usage
by Adi Kriegisch 13 Sep '18

13 Sep '18

Dear all, I've been using mailman2 for quite some time and I am considering upgrading to mailman3. In a test setup I noticed that mailman3 with just a basic setup (Debian with mailman3 package and sqlite as backend using exim4) uses over 700MB RAM (RSS): | USER VSZ RSS COMMAND | list 73072 54568 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/master | list 73100 54500 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=archive:0:1 | list 73100 54572 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=bounces:0:1 | list 73100 54560 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=command:0:1 | list 73100 54600 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=in:0:1 | list 146832 54700 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=lmtp:0:1 | list 73100 54808 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=nntp:0:1 | list 73100 54652 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=out:0:1 | list 73100 54504 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=pipeline:0:1 | list 150516 58228 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=rest:0:1 | list 73100 54508 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=retry:0:1 | list 73100 54500 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=virgin:0:1 | list 73100 54608 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=digest:0:1 This is with only one test list configured that just has one member. Compared to a mailman2 setup with many lists with up to 300 members that only uses around 70MB RAM: | USER VSZ RSS COMMAND | list 63724 1396 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -q start | list 62896 10660 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s | list 61156 1792 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s | list 58148 1808 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s | list 73116 23316 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s | list 55464 1672 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s | list 65840 11868 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s | list 62036 10840 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s | list 58716 5712 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s This is without hyperkitty or a management interface, just mailman3 core that uses 10 times as much ram as mailman2. Did I do something wrong here? Is there probably a bug in my python environment? Are there any config options that I should set to avoid this huge memory footprint? I found one thread[1] on this mailing list where a user asked a question similar to mine with comparable numbers. best regards, Adi Kriegisch [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…

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Subscription notification sent from the site admins work-mail.
by Henrik Rasmussen 13 Sep '18

13 Sep '18

One of my list administrators told me that all seven list administrators on a list received a "None <foo(a)example.com> has been successfully subscribed to [LIST NAME].", when someone subscribed to their list, however the sender of the mail (From:) was my own work mail address. I am not associated with the list other that I am site admin. The log /opt/mailman/web/logs/smtp.log seems to confirm that Mailman have sendt the mail on behalf of me. Sep 13 09:07:24 2018 (34) <153682964402.36.12950433926619808467@mailman-core> smtp to [LISTNAME](a)lists.example.com for 7 recips, completed in 0.12819194793701172 seconds Sep 13 09:07:24 2018 (34) <153682964402.36.12950433926619808467@mailman-core> post to [LISTNAME](a)lists.example.com from me(a)example.com, 525 bytes How can I, the site admin, be the sender og the mail? Note: Mailman 3 have been running with users half a year, but last week the particular list was imported from Mailman 2 using import21.

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MM3 management tools (for those who need them)
by Dmitry Makovey 13 Sep '18

13 Sep '18

Hi, I wanted to share our current development of MM3-related tools that we currently employ on a daily basis. forks, ideas, pointers and issue reports are welcome: https://gitlab.med.stanford.edu/irt-public/mailman-tools Note that it's a "work in progress" bunch of scripts that work, but YMMV. ...so no refunds ;) -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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LookupError: unknown encoding: _iso-2022-jp$esc
by Thor Atle Rustad 07 Sep '18

07 Sep '18

This happens when I open a page of Held Messages containing an offending message. I get Server Error (500) in Postorius. Here is the mailman.log: Sep 07 15:25:39 2018 (32) REST request handler error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 214, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/falcon/api.py", line 244, in __call__ responder(req, resp, **params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 160, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in _make_collection for resource in collection] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in <listcomp> for resource in collection] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 150, in _resource_as_dict resource = self._make_resource(request.id) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 77, in _make_resource resource['msg'] = msg.as_string() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/email/message.py", line 54, in as_string value = email.message.Message.as_string(self) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 158, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 243, in _handle_text msg.set_payload(payload, charset) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 315, in set_payload payload = payload.encode(charset.output_charset) LookupError: unknown encoding: _iso-2022-jp$esc

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confusing contents of database (data corruption?)
by Dmitry Makovey 07 Sep '18

07 Sep '18

I'm troubleshooting slowness and issues in our mailman (container-based) setup. (See also "ORM exceptions" thread) And I've come across really odd contents of DB: mailmandb=# select * from address, (select email, count(email) as instances from address group by email) as emails where emails.instances>1 and emails.email=address.email ; -[ RECORD 1 ]--+---------------------------------------------- id | 1001 email | some_person(a)some.org _original | Some_Person(a)some.org display_name | Some Person verified_on | registered_on | 2018-07-02 03:23:18.761679 user_id | 22543 preferences_id | 146541 email | some_person(a)some.org instances | 2 -[ RECORD 2 ]--+---------------------------------------------- id | 1002 email | some_person(a)some.org _original | display_name | verified_on | registered_on | 2018-07-02 03:23:19.036667 user_id | preferences_id | 146543 email | some_person(a)some.org instances | 2 mailmandb=# select * from member where address_id in (1002,1001); -[ RECORD 1 ]-----+------------------------------------- id | 73682 _member_id | f4cdxxxx-5c64-xxxx-9ac8-1f5xxxxa0f1c role | 4 list_id | mylist.lists.here.stanford.edu moderation_action | address_id | 1002 preferences_id | 146544 user_id | so: 1. address for the same email gets created twice 2. membership references "empty" address 3. membership does not reference proper user 4. preferences_id in all 3 records are different is there a documentation on the DB contents someplace? I feel like our mailman instance slowness is related to DB content but cleaning up that content seems to be risky at best. -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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message file gone, but exists in database?
by Thor Atle Rustad 06 Sep '18

06 Sep '18

I'm investigating some problems, and in the process I want to delete some messages. First, listing all messages: >>> messages = list(message_store.messages) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/messagestore.py", line 117, in messages yield self._get_message(row) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/messagestore.py", line 95, in _get_message with open(path, 'rb') as fp: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/var/messages/5X/7W/5X7WMWNORTGVNB6KVWTHHOI2VF2BEQ7K' Since this message should not exist in database, I try to delete it: >>> message_store.delete_message('5X7WMWNORTGVNB6KVWTHHOI2VF2BEQ7K') >>> commit() >>> messages = list(message_store.messages) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/messagestore.py", line 117, in messages yield self._get_message(row) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/messagestore.py", line 95, in _get_message with open(path, 'rb') as fp: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/var/messages/5X/7W/5X7WMWNORTGVNB6KVWTHHOI2VF2BEQ7K' However, it continues to exist in mailman's mind I also cannot delete messages that actually exist. For instance, I find a message in Postorius that I want to delete. I look at the headers and then run >>> message_store.delete_message('6XFISRRFY74NJEE4FTRNWOA2KGKDBZ3T') >>> commit() After that, the message continues to live, both in postorius and as a file: bash-4.3# ls 6XFISRRFY74NJEE4FTRNWOA2KGKDBZ3T What is wrong?

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ORM exceptions
by Dmitry Makovey 06 Sep '18

06 Sep '18

I'm tracing slowness of mailman in our infrastructure, and came across ORM exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2837, in one ret = self.one_or_none() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2816, in one_or_none "Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()") sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 214, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/falcon/api.py", line 244, in __call__ responder(req, resp, **params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/members.py", line 365, in on_post return self._find(request, response) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/members.py", line 389, in _find okay(response, etag(resource._make_collection(request))) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in _make_collection for resource in collection] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in <listcomp> for resource in collection] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/members.py", line 72, in _resource_as_dict user = member.user File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/member.py", line 128, in user else getUtility(IUserManager).get_user(self._address.email)) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/usermanager.py", line 88, in get_user return addresses.one().user File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2840, in one "Multiple rows were found for one()") sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one() is this a known thing and what's the best path for fixing it? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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log rotation
by Dmitry Makovey 06 Sep '18

06 Sep '18

I've been looking for a while and cannot find any information regarding log rotation for Mailman3. We're running containerized deployment which complicates the matter slightly, but having "some" approach for log rotation would be helpful. So before I dig into the code looking for SIGUSR1 or SIGHUP handlers can someone point me to a proper documentation for log management with MM3 ? -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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ARC
by David Krantz 30 Aug '18

30 Aug '18

Hi, I just found out that gmail uses ARC (sometimes, at least). Is there support for that in Mailman 3? Without having had the time (yet) to read about in depth it it seems as if ARC is intended to solve at least some of the problems that mail lists have with DKIM. Probably causes others... It might be that no support really is needed in mailman so that just milters in sendmail, postfix etc. might do the trick. regards // David

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Migration advice
by Quanah Gibson-Mount 29 Aug '18

29 Aug '18

Hi, I'm looking at migrating from an old server running mailman 2.1.15 (Debian wheezy) to a new Ubuntu 18.04 LTS system. I'd like to upgrade to mailman3 as a part of this migration. I was reading the migration docs (<http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html>), which seem to require both mailman2 and mailman3 be installed concurrently on the same system. Is that correct, or can I rsync the mailman2 list information onto the new server without mailman2 itself being present, and import from there? Thanks! Regards, Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

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Implicit destination
by David Krantz 28 Aug '18

28 Aug '18

Hi, I have a spam-problem like anyone else. Most of the spam my listserver receives has some kind of impilict destination so the implicit rule catches most of the spam that way. This is fine. What is not so fine, however, is that this results in a moderation message to the sender. I'd like to stop that so that the spammer has no confirmation that the mail was received. I can probably stop this in postfix before the mail reaches mailman3, but I'd prefer changing the behaviour of the rule. Is there any setting that could be used or should I just modify the rule? Cheers. // David

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Whitelist non subscriber
by Mark Ziranski 27 Aug '18

27 Aug '18

Hello, I want to whitelist an email address on all lists to bypass moderation. The email address is not a subscriber. On google I found accept_these_nonmembers but I do not know how to use it. Please show me some examples how to whitelist someone(a)example.org. Thanks in advance. M.Z.

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Configuration Question
by Ryan McClung 24 Aug '18

24 Aug '18

Greetings, Is there a simple way to force the mailman3 install to run off of a specified config/specified db without having to enter it manually each time? I just want any administrator to be able to enter mailman without wrecking the config/db. -- Ryan McClung Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> W. www.afilias.info T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186

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changing adverstised status
by Alexander Klotz 24 Aug '18

24 Aug '18

Hi there, we are trying to set a once public list to private but have trouble doing so. In Postorius this doesn't seem to work - you can change "show list on index page" via the settings, but the value isn't saved. Is there a way to set advertised = False to a specific list via the shell? Thanks & Regards, Alex (Kulturserver editorial staff)

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Docker release cycle maxking/mailman-core
by Johannes Winter 24 Aug '18

24 Aug '18

Hi guys, I'd like to test out some bugfixes in the master branch, namely the merge request related to: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… But I use the maxking docker images of which the 'rolling' and 'latest' tags are apparently not really used. Might it be possible to push these a litte bit more frequently? Thank you and best regards, Johannes Winter

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Avoiding welcome message when subscribing using REST API
by Henrik Rasmussen 21 Aug '18

21 Aug '18

In Mailman 2 the site admin could add a member to a list using the -wn parameter of add_members to avoid sending a welcome message. On the host (outside the docker container) I've made an updater using the REST API to keep certain lists updated with imported addresses from one of our other systems, though respecting opt ins and opt outs. Similar to Mailman 2 I would like to avoid the welcome message to those automatic updated members, even the list is configred to send welcome message to those opting in by will, and I also like to avoid forcing the list owner/moderator to approve all new members automatically updated even the list is set for moderation of new members opting in by will. What is the payload for "no welcome message"? def add_new_members(listname_fqdn, members): [SNIP] for member in newmembers: payload['list_id'] = listname_fqdn.replace('@', '.') payload['subscriber'] = member payload['pre_verified'] = True payload['pre_confirmed'] = True payload['pre_approved'] = True response = mmapipost('members', payload) def mmapipost(apicommand,payload): response = requests.post('http://172.19.199.2:8001/%s/%s' % (restapiversion, apicommand), data=payload, auth=('restadmin', 'restpass'))

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Moving from old-school install to docker
by David Krantz 19 Aug '18

19 Aug '18

Hi, Is there any documented procedure moving from a working install of mailman3 and postorius to a docker-based version? The reason would be to get a setup that is somewhat easier to maintain and upgrade. That said much of the work is to keep a mta, web server, spamfilter, grey list solution, dkim signing etc. running and up to date. I suspect that there is no pre-made docker images for that? cheers // David

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receiving digest
by Abhijith PA 14 Aug '18

14 Aug '18

Hello. How a subscriber can receive the digest of a list ( assuming the list has enabled digests. Is there something to do for a subscriber in web interface to receive. Abhijith

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Re: issue with Hyperkitty
by Mark Sapiro 08 Aug '18

08 Aug '18

On 08/07/2018 07:14 AM, Ali Alnubani wrote: > > I'm seeing the following trace when I go to http://example.com/hyperkitty/list/dev@example.com/2018/5/: This was fixed by downgrading Django to 2.0.8. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/192> for more detail. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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proper update procedure for MM3 docker containers
by Fabian A. Santiago 07 Aug '18

07 Aug '18

Hello, Can someone remind me of the proper / best way to update my docker containers for MM3 / postorius based on maxking's images? Thanks. and this for both the stable and rolling releases. -- Fabian S. OpenPGP: 0x643082042DC83E6D94B86C405E3DAA18A1C22D8F (new key) *** 0x3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC (to be retired, still valid)

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issue with Hyperkitty
by Ali Alnubani 07 Aug '18

07 Aug '18

Hi, I'm migrating from mailman 2.1.15, I did the following: * Installed packages * Created database * ./manage.py migrate * mailman create dev(a)example.com<mailto:dev@example.com> * ./manage.py hyperkitty_import -l dev(a)example.com /usr/local/mailman2/archives/private/dev.mbox/dev.mbox (the archive includes 69 emails). * ./manage.py update_index_one_list dev(a)example.com I'm seeing the following trace when I go to http://example.com/hyperkitty/list/dev@example.com/2018/5/: ``` ERROR 2018-08-07 13:54:23,897 19997 django.request Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/dev(a)example.com/2018/5/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 126, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 124, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 134, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 94, in archives return _thread_list(request, mlist, threads, extra_context=extra_context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 123, in _thread_list return render(request, template_name, context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/shortcuts.py", line 36, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 62, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/library.py", line 234, in render return t.render(new_context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 173, in render return self._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 209, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 309, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/library.py", line 192, in render output = self.func(*resolved_args, **resolved_kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django_mailman3-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/django_mailman3/templatetags/pagination.py", line 36, in add_to_query_string return conditional_escape(qs.urlencode()) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/http/request.py", line 524, in urlencode for v in list_ File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/http/request.py", line 524, in <genexpr> for v in list_ AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'encode' ERROR 2018-08-07 13:54:23,897 19997 django.request Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/dev(a)example.com/2018/5/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 126, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 124, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 134, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 94, in archives return _thread_list(request, mlist, threads, extra_context=extra_context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 123, in _thread_list return render(request, template_name, context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/shortcuts.py", line 36, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 62, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/library.py", line 234, in render return t.render(new_context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 173, in render return self._render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 209, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 309, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/template/library.py", line 192, in render output = self.func(*resolved_args, **resolved_kwargs) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django_mailman3-1.2.0-py3.5.egg/django_mailman3/templatetags/pagination.py", line 36, in add_to_query_string return conditional_escape(qs.urlencode()) File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/http/request.py", line 524, in urlencode for v in list_ File "venv_path/lib/python3.5/site-packages/Django-2.1-py3.5.egg/django/http/request.py", line 524, in <genexpr> for v in list_ AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'encode' ERROR 2018-08-07 13:54:25,721 19997 django.server "GET /hyperkitty/list/dev(a)example.com/2018/5/ HTTP/1.1" 500 317983 ``` Environment: ``` alembic==1.0.0 arrow==0.12.1 click==6.7 Django==2.1 django-haystack==2.8.1 django-mailman3==1.2.0 django-q==0.9.4 djangorestframework==3.8.2 httplib2==0.11.3 HyperKitty==1.2.0 mailman==3.2.0 mailman-hyperkitty==1.1.1 mailmanclient==3.2.0 Mako==1.0.7 postorius==1.2.0 psycopg2-binary==2.7.5 python-dateutil==2.7.3 requests==2.19.1 requests-oauthlib==1.0.0 SQLAlchemy==1.2.10 urllib3==1.23 uWSGI==2.0.17.1 Whoosh==2.7.4 ``` Some of the archives are listed fine tho. The same trace reproduced with 2 different imported archives. I'm on Debian stretch and using python 3.5.3. Can you help please? Thanks, Ali

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migration subscribers from mm2 to mm3
by Mateusz Ostrzyżek 07 Aug '18

07 Aug '18

Hello, Is there any way to migrate subscribers from mailman2 to mailman3 other than writing them to mm3? I have a fiew lists on mailman2 an i want to migrate them to mailman 3, i found a way to migrate archive but cannot find any information about subscribers. Best regards -- Mateusz Ostrzyżek (null) (null)

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dedicated mailman3 list server on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS - questions after installation
by John Seifarth 06 Aug '18

06 Aug '18

My goal is to build a stable dedicated list server using mailman3. It should use all current email authentication techniques to clearly show that it is an authentic non-spam mail list server. In the future, I may want to use the REST interface, so that’s why mailman2 is not an option. My installation: Installed Ubuntu 18.04 LTS server, with postfix, mysql and postgres. I then installed mail-stack-delivery, postfix-policyd-spf-python, OpenDKIM, and OpenDMARC. I configured SPF, DKIM, and DMARC records on my DNS server, and then configured postfix and dovecot to DKIM sign outgoing mail from local users, and check SPF, DMARC, and DKIM on incoming mail. I then installed the package mailman3-full, which provides version 3.1.1-9, using postgres 10 as the database. I have looked in Ubuntu bionic-backports and bionic-updates and do not see a more recent version. I see that version 3.2 was released in July, are debian/ubuntu mailman 3.2 packages available somewhere? I set up the /etc/mailman3 files: I added this to the end of mailman.cfg [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg In mailman-hyperkitty.cfg I copied the api_key: value from mailman-web.py MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY, but removed the single quotes surrounding the value in the mailman-web.py file when writing the key in the mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file. I modified /etc/postfix/main.cf with this appended to the end: # Mailman-postfix integration owner_request_special = no # Support the default VERP delimiter. recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname, $alias_maps, hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = ${{$compatibility_level} < {2} ? {$mydestination} : {}} hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains I ran /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py createsuperuser I ran a2enmod proxy_uwsgi I made a symbolic link from /etc/mailman3/apache.conf to /etc/apache2/conf-available/mailman3.conf, then ran a2enconf mailman3 I have read the documentation in /usr/share/docs/mailman3* along with what I could find concerning mailman3 on the web. The installation allows me to sign into the web interface, create a host, create mailing lists, and mass subscribe members. When members send email to the list address, the server sends the messages normally to the other members of the list. However, when I look at the list archives, there are no posts. I deliberately mass-subscribed an invalid address, and I can see in /var/log/mail.log that the message bounces, but I get no notification, nor do I see any bounce info when I look at the member info. My questions: 1) logging A lot of my questions would probably be answered if I could figure out hot to activate logging correctly. Currently, I see: root@mailman:/var/log/mailman3# ll -R -rw-rw---- 1 list list 0 Jul 29 20:06 bounce.log -rw-rw---- 1 list list 0 Jul 29 20:06 debug.log -rw-r----- 1 list list 3298 Aug 4 00:00 mailman.log -rw-rw---- 1 list list 34606 Jul 30 17:44 smtp.log drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data www-data 4096 Aug 3 06:25 web/ ./web: -rw-rw-r-- 1 www-data www-data 1520 Aug 3 06:25 mailman-web.log The bounce log and debug log are empty. I’ve set propagate: yes in the [logging.debian] section From /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg # In this section, you can define defaults for all loggers, which will be # prefixed by 'mailman.'. Use subsections to override settings for specific # loggers. The names of the available loggers are: # # - archiver -- All archiver output # - bounce -- All bounce processing logs go here # - config -- Configuration issues <…snip…> Can anyone post an example of a ‘subsection’ to set archiver and bounce to debug? Do I have to create /var/log/mailman3/mailman.archiver.log and set ownership to list:list? 2) Where are posts stored? For me, this is the biggest mystery in mailman3. Local mail is delivered to ~/Maildir by dovecot. In the $var_dir hierarchy the directory messages contains just 2 messages dating to my initial tests. Anything I send to a list now, and which seems to be sent properly to the member addresses, I cannot find on the filesystem. Any clues as to what may be going on here? 3) Archival - Hyperkitty How does this work? All the parts seem to be in place, and I can see from ps /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner --runner=archive:0:1 -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg How can I figure out why this is not working? In the web interface, I see that each of my lists has zero posts. But posts mailed to the list address do appear in the list members’ mailboxes! 4) Bounces I’ve deliberately put an erroneous email address as a list member. In postfix’s /var/log/mail.log I see the bounces, but get no notification, and /var/log/mailman3/bounce.log remains empty. 5) DKIM and DMARC I’ve got OpenDKIM running on inet:12345@localhost and OpenDMARC running on net:54321@localhost. How can I get mailman to use these milters and sign messages? How should DMARC munging be configured when signing? 6) Is there an overview of how mailman3 works? Is there documentation which explains the path of an incoming post through the system, including initial reception, list processing, sending to members, processing bounces, and archiving posts? Thanks in advance for help and pointers to any available documentation! John Seifarth Words & Wires SPRL Computer Consulting & Language Services Brussels, Belgium

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bad ssl cert on docker guide site
by Fabian A. Santiago 06 Aug '18

06 Aug '18

hello, On the docker deployment guide site: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ linked to from here: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html the ssl cert is invalid, as it's issued against CN = www.github.com. just an fyi (although I"m sure others have seen this and there's likely a perfectly valid explanation I just haven't thought of). good day. -- Fabian S. OpenPGP: 0x643082042DC83E6D94B86C405E3DAA18A1C22D8F (new key) *** 0x3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC (to be retired, still valid)

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getting spammed when sending lots of mails (>1000)
by Asaf Ohayon 06 Aug '18

06 Aug '18

Hello Using Mailman 3.2 / Posfix 2.10.1 I have a list configured, when having only few members, all is OK, email gets to inbox (at GMail) But when sending to thousands of members, it gets to the Spam folder, Is it a matter of rate-limiting at postfix ? Thanks -- Asaf Ohayon SRE | SysBind M: +972 547920828 P: + 972 3 5096219 E: asaf(a)sysbind.co.il Rothschild 60, Bat Yam www.sysbind.co.il

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"To:" header field
by Asaf Ohayon 05 Aug '18

05 Aug '18

Hello I'm having trouble with getting into spam folder (at least at gmail), I'm suspecting to "To:" field (among other things). Comparing to Mailman 2.1, which we recently upgrading from, and didn't got spammed, the "To:" field was set to the actual reciever, While in Mailman 3.2, the "To:" field is set to the list's address. How can this be configured ? Thanks -- Asaf Ohayon SRE | SysBind M: +972 547920828 P: + 972 3 5096219 E: asaf(a)sysbind.co.il Rothschild 60, Bat Yam www.sysbind.co.il

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Archiving error
by Eric Abrahamsen 03 Aug '18

03 Aug '18

Since about two days ago, all attempts to archive messages via Hyperkitty have raised the error below. So far as I know, I haven't updated any packages, or changed any config. I don't know why this has started happening. Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive IntegrityError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive NOT NULL constraint failed: hyperkitty_attachment.size Request Method: POST Request URL: http://lists.my-domain.org/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=NotMyRealKey Django Version: 2.0.5 Python Executable: /home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/bin/python Python Version: 3.5.2 Traceback: File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in _execute 85. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py" in execute 303. return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) The above exception (NOT NULL constraint failed: hyperkitty_attachment.size) was the direct cause of the following exception: File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 35. response = get_response(request) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 128. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 126. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in _decorator 72. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py" in wrapped_view 54. return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in archive 119. add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py" in add_to_list 162. encoding=encoding) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py" in manager_method 82. return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in create 417. obj.save(force_insert=True, using=self.db) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in save 729. force_update=force_update, update_fields=update_fields) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in save_base 759. updated = self._save_table(raw, cls, force_insert, force_update, using, update_fields) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in _save_table 842. result = self._do_insert(cls._base_manager, using, fields, update_pk, raw) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in _do_insert 880. using=using, raw=raw) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py" in manager_method 82. return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in _insert 1125. return query.get_compiler(using=using).execute_sql(return_id) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py" in execute_sql 1283. cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in execute 68. return self._execute_with_wrappers(sql, params, many=False, executor=self._execute) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in _execute_with_wrappers 77. return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in _execute 85. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/utils.py" in __exit__ 89. raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in _execute 85. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/home/eric/.local/share/virtualenvs/mailman-FH66s6f7/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py" in execute 303. return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) Exception Type: IntegrityError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Exception Value: NOT NULL constraint failed: hyperkitty_attachment.size Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: key = 'NotMyRealKey' POST: mlist = 'my-list(a)lists.my-domain.org' FILES: message = <InMemoryUploadedFile: message.txt ()> COOKIES: No cookie data META: CONTENT_LENGTH = '579002' CONTENT_TYPE = 'multipart/form-data; boundary=4c9a29456f514b2a9ef4f9a5d042abc6' HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'close' HTTP_HOST = 'lists.my-domain.org' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'python-requests/2.18.4' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = 'xxx.xxx.xx.xxx' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST = 'lists.my-domain.org' HTTP_X_REAL_IP = 'xxx.xxx.xx.xxx' PATH_INFO = '/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive' QUERY_STRING = 'key=NotMyRealKey' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REQUEST_METHOD = 'POST' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = '127.0.0.1' SERVER_PORT = '231742768' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.0' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name='<stderr>' mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <_io.BytesIO object at 0x7f940d0055c8> wsgi.multiprocess = True wsgi.multithread = False wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)'

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Removing banned emails
by Kaleb White 02 Aug '18

02 Aug '18

I am trying to remove a banned email with a special character via the rest api and it's not working. It's also not working via the UI. Any ideas? http://localhost:8001/3.0/lists/example.com/bans/provisor#41@bankofamerica.… <Response [404]>

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Re: Mailman 3 Keeps Forgettings Imported Lists
by Ryan McClung 31 Jul '18

31 Jul '18

I do see the output of the script and it shows the mailing lists being created. If you put "${VARIABLE}"@domain.com it outputs correctly. Also, to that end, the output of lists changes depending on which directory I am in which makes 0 sense. On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:27 PM Ryan McClung <rmcclung(a)afilias.info> wrote: > I do see the output of the script and it shows the mailing lists being > created. If you put "${VARIABLE}"@domain.com it outputs correctly. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:22 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 07/31/2018 07:04 AM, Ryan McClung wrote: >> > Scratch that. Ran with the corrected script and getting the following: >> > [root@mailman3(stg) archives]# mailman lists >> > No matching mailing lists found >> > >> > Any thoughts? >> >> This >> >> > for DIR in $DIRS; do mailman create "${DIR}"; mailman import21 "${DIR}"@ >> afilias.info "${DIR}"/config.pck; >> >> is still wrong. The list name for mailman create needs to be fully >> qualified as in >> >> > for DIR in $DIRS; do mailman create ${DIR}(a)afilias.info; mailman >> import21 ${DIR}(a)afilias.info ${DIR}/config.pck; >> >> (Do you look at the output from your script?) >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > > > -- > > Ryan McClung > Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada > A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> > W. www.afilias.info > T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186 > -- Ryan McClung Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> W. www.afilias.info T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186

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Mailman 3 Keeps Forgettings Imported Lists
by Ryan McClung 31 Jul '18

31 Jul '18

GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.6.5 (default, Apr 10 2018, 17:08:37) [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-16)] config file: /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////opt/mailman/var/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ Shortly after I run an import on a bunch of lists they all disappear. [root@mailman3(stg) mailman]# mailman lists No matching mailing lists found I have 30+ lists. Any thoughts? -- Ryan McClung Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> W. www.afilias.info T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186

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mailman command to remove members
by Asaf Ohayon 31 Jul '18

31 Jul '18

Is there command like mailman members --add, to mass-remove members from a list ? Thanks

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Autorespond postings: does not seem to work on 3.2?
by Asaf Ohayon 29 Jul '18

29 Jul '18

Hello Maybe I'm not understanding the meaning of this setting correctly, When I set this, I don't see any extra emails going out when I'm posting to the list Thanks

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MM3 installation recommendation: Docker or individual components?
by Tom Browder 28 Jul '18

28 Jul '18

I want to install MM3 on a virgin host running Debian 9. I want to minimize problems as bugs are fixed and necessary upgrades are published. I will use PostgreSQL, nginx, and Postfix, and am reasonably competent runnng my own remote server (full control, hard iron server, not virtual). The host will only serve mail to the public and nothing else (no websites, no other users). I did run a successful MM2 site (thanks to Mark’s copious and gracious help!) for a couple of years from 2011 to 2013, so I’m no stranger to some of the MM3 jargon. I have been running Apache 2.4+ with 10+ virtual https websites since 2010. I use Letsencrypt certificates for all of them. I have no experience with Docker, Django, or nginx. Should I choose the Docker method or individual compnent installation? I realize this is an open ended and very subjective request, but I would appreciate any advice. Best regards, -Tom

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