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Github auth deprecated API
by Quanah Gibson-Mount May 14, 2020

May 14, 2020

The version of mailman3 I'm running apparently uses a deprecated API for GitHub authentication. Does anyone know if this has been fixed? I couldn't find an issue for it on the postorius issue tracker. Sample email: ==================================================== Hello there! On May 14th, 2020 at 00:38 (UTC) your application used an access token (with the User-Agent python-requests/2.21.0) as part of a query parameter to access an endpoint through the GitHub API. https://api.github.com/user Please use the Authorization HTTP header instead as using the `access_token` query parameter is deprecated. Depending on your API usage, we'll be sending you this email reminder on a monthly basis. Visit https://developer.github.com/changes/2020-02-10-deprecating-auth-through-qu… for more information about suggested workarounds and removal dates. ==================================================== Thanks, Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

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Open List
by Samir Faci May 13, 2020

May 13, 2020

So, I found a setting to allow me to create an Open List. I assume this is still doable in MM3 though I can't find the equivalent option. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-March/065479.html 2nd question is how do I create a new List Style. I'd like Open- Archived and Open-NonArchived to be options when creating a new list. -- Thank you Samir Faci https://keybase.io/csgeek

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Mailman3 command line issue: NameError: name 'cli' is not defined when executing command=cli
by John W May 13, 2020

May 13, 2020

Hi, I am following the guide here: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/create.h… and am falling at the first hurdle. command = cli('mailman.commands.cli_lists.create') NameError: name 'cli' is not defined. I am running the command in the mailman shell. Doing a help("mailman.commands") works so Python can see that. I thought it might require pyCLI so I installed that but still no joy.

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Held messages not being deleted
by Andrew Hodgson May 12, 2020

May 12, 2020

Hi, I am finding that held messages although being deleted in the database are still being stored in the ~/var/messages directory structure. Is this by design? Thanks. Andrew.

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Understanding of members, accounts
by Peter Adebahr May 12, 2020

May 12, 2020

Hi *, meanwhile we have subscribed a few addresses by the method of mass subscription. As these have to be private lists, users will have to provide a password to get access to the archives. I haven't found a way to provide, as admin, passwords to users. So I assumed users should go to "login", "lost password" and thus set their own. Alas, their e-mail addresses are not found in any list. Is the solution to "sign up", using one's very e-mail address already in the system? I would like to understand why there is a difference between being (only) a subscribed member and a member having an account - or, what might be the advantage of being a member without an account? Thank you and best regards, Peter

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exim4 + mailman3 lmtp failure
by Thomas Drillich May 10, 2020

May 10, 2020

Hello, I tried to setup exim4 + mailman3 but it seems to stuck at lmtp delivery of mailman3. Could you give me a hint, to detect the reason of failure ? greetings Thomas ---- returned message --- This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu all hosts for 'listen.td3.eu' have been failing for a long time (and retry time not reached) Reporting-MTA: dns; detroit.drillich.net Action: failed Final-Recipient: rfc822;seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu Status: 5.0.0 ----------------------------------------------------------- >exim -bv -d+all seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu ... 19:45:02.715 32200 listen.td3.eu in "+mm_domains"? yes (matched "+mm_domains") 19:45:02.715 32200 checking require_files 19:45:02.715 32200 ┌considering: /var/lib/mailman3//lists/${local_part}.${domain} 19:45:02.715 32200 ├──expanding: /var/lib/mailman3//lists/${local_part}.${domain} 19:45:02.715 32200 └─────result: /var/lib/mailman3//lists/seebruecke.listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 file check: /var/lib/mailman3//lists/${local_part}.${domain} 19:45:02.715 32200 expanded file: /var/lib/mailman3//lists/seebruecke.listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 stat() yielded 0 19:45:02.715 32200 calling mailman3_router router 19:45:02.715 32200 mailman3_router router called for seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 domain = listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 set transport mailman3_transport 19:45:02.715 32200 queued for mailman3_transport transport: local_part = seebruecke 19:45:02.715 32200 domain = listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 errors_to=NULL 19:45:02.715 32200 domain_data=NULL localpart_data=NULL 19:45:02.715 32200 routed by mailman3_router router 19:45:02.715 32200 envelope to: seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu 19:45:02.715 32200 transport: mailman3_transport seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu router = mailman3_router, transport = mailman3_transport # /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/55_mm3_transport mailman3_transport: driver = smtp protocol = lmtp allow_localhost hosts = localhost port = MM3_LMTP_PORT rcpt_include_affixes = true -- mit freundlichem Gruss -- regards Thomas Drillich Heugasse 4 / D-55116 Mainz / Germany fon +49-6131-570-2621 mobil +49-162-469-5875

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Handling of Mail from non-subscribers
by Peter Adebahr May 9, 2020

May 9, 2020

Hi *, I have a fresh setup of MM3 on Ubuntu 20, installed by apt-get. It seems to be running fine so far, except for some (to me) strange behaviour: When posting to the list as a non-subscriber, I see the mail coming in on mailman's smtp.log, then it vanishes. No notice of this mail being hold is sent to the sender, no notice to the moderator, and logging into Postorius as owner of the list, it is not showing up in "Held messages" "Hold for moderation" has been set. Any idea how to debug this will be welcome - thank you :) Best regards, Peter

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PSA: Avoiding spam-scanning outgoing mailman3 mail
by Mark Dadgar May 8, 2020

May 8, 2020

So I integrated SpamAssassin into my mailman3 server the other day, using the ubuntu packages which implement the “standard” SpamAssassin install with a filter on port 25 and re-injection using /usr/sbin/sendmail. From postfix/master.cf: # ========================================================================== # service type private unpriv chroot wakeup maxproc command + args # (yes) (yes) (yes) (never) (100) # ========================================================================== smtp inet n - n - 10 smtpd -o content_filter=spamassassin spamassassin unix - n n - - pipe user=debian-spamd argv=/usr/bin/spamc -f -e /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -f ${sender} ${recipient} The problem there, of course, is that mailman3 traffic gets scanned twice: once on the way in from the original sender and once on the way out as mailman3 duplicates it to list recipients. This is because out-of-the-box mailman3 tends to be configured to re-inject list email via port 25, which is scanning for spam on incoming email. This is horribly inefficient, obviously, and gets worse the bigger your mailing list is. Given that it’s written in Perl, SpamAssassin isn’t the most efficient thing in the first place. Anyway, I got literally zero hits on solving this when I googled it, so here’s mine to save future mailman3+SpamAssassin users some grief. The easy fix was to edit the [mta] setting in mailman.cfg to deliver email via the submit port instead, which has no filtering applied to it: smtp_host: localhost # using the submit port bypasses spamassassin filtering on outgoing list email smtp_port: 587 smtp_user: mm3send <— I created this user for this purpose smtp_pass: <password-for-mm3send-user> This works great and can be applied to any email filtering. FYI. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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Link in the top-left corner of Hyperkitty
by Seth Seeger May 8, 2020

May 8, 2020

Hello, There is a link to the root of Hyperkitty in the top left corner of my Hyperkitty pages. It links to the correct domain, but the text isn’t right - it’s the first domain name I was using at the beginning of my install for testing. I’d like to update it, but can’t find what to change. Thanks, Seth

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Can it work on FreebSD
by Peter Fraser May 8, 2020

May 8, 2020

Hi All I would really be interested in getting this working of FreeBSD. I find the BSD’s to be very stable and easy to maintain. Please could anyone point me to any document or suggestions to get it working on FreeBSD? Much Appreciated. Regards SI Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986

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Post log?
by Mark Dadgar May 6, 2020

May 6, 2020

Is there the equivalent of the post log from mailman 2.x available? I see every logging option but that one listed here: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/config/docs/config.htm… <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/config/docs/config.htm…> That was a handy way to track list traffic statistics and I was hoping to munge up the old mm_stats script to use the mailman3 logging format. I am running the ubuntu 3.2.2-based package. Thanks, as always! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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How to remove a nonmember from a list
by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie May 5, 2020

May 5, 2020

Hi, I've been banging my head against the proverbial wall for more than a day trying to remove nonmembers from a list (I am a Mailman3 and Python novice so that might account for something, but anyway ...) According to https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…, it should be possible to do: MailingList.remove_role('nonmember', 'email_address(a)example.com') However I can't get this to work. I think I have manage to track down all the required imports. This is what I see: TypeError: remove_role() missing 1 required positional argument: 'address' More digging in the docs seems to indicate that a third parameter is required - "self". At this point though I am way out of my depth, and would appreciate any guidance. Thanks very much Stephen Kenny

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HyperKitty Question
by Samir Faci May 5, 2020

May 5, 2020

Okay, I have mailman3 working to allow me to send/receive emails. postorius seems to be working fine. My only issue seems to be with hyperkitty saving the archive. postorius seems to be working fine. Hyperkitty on the other hand is failing. I have nginx running with multiple website being serviced from the same server. I updated the config where port 80 gets redirected to SSL. I tried setting mailman3-hyperkitty.conf to both: base_url: http://localhost/hyperkitty/ base_url: https://lists.domain.com/hyperkitty/ But neither seem to be working. Does hyperkitty require traffic to be going over port 80? -- Thank you Samir Faci https://keybase.io/csgeek

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Re: Installation Wooes
by Mark Sapiro May 4, 2020

May 4, 2020

On 5/3/20 8:13 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > > Postfix Failed Logs. > > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: disconnect from > unknown[198.199.98.177] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=0/1 rset=1 quit=1 commands=4/5 > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: connect from > unknown[198.199.98.177] > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: 745B31473C6: > client=unknown[198.199.98.177] > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/cleanup[1968158]: 745B31473C6: > message-id=<158856165549.136760.840427238489827082@lists> > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/qmgr[1964759]: 745B31473C6: > from=<booh-bounces(a)lists.domain.org So mailman and Postfix are on different machines. That may complicate things, but > <mailto:booh-bounces@lists.domain.org>>, size=5474, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: disconnect from > unknown[198.199.98.177] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/lmtp[1968159]: 745B31473C6: > to=<booh-owner(a)lists.domain.org <mailto:booh-owner@lists.domain.org>>, > relay=lists.domain.org <http://lists.domain.org>[198.199.98.177]:8024, > delay=0.03, delays=0/0/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) This was a successful delivery. > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/qmgr[1964759]: 745B31473C6: removed > May 4 03:07:38 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: connect from > unknown[198.199.98.177] > May 4 03:07:38 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from > unknown[198.199.98.177]: 554 5.7.1 <csgeek(a)domain.com > <mailto:csgeek@domain.com>>: Relay access denied; > from=<booh-bounces+csgeek=domain.com(a)lists.domain.org > <mailto:domain.com@lists.domain.org>> to=<csgeek(a)domain.com > <mailto:csgeek@domain.com>> proto=ESMTP helo=<[127.0.1.1]> You are sending from a remote machine 198.199.98.177 to a presumably remote domain domain.com so relay access is denied as it should be. You need to add 198.199.98.177 to mynetworks in Postfix. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: Installation Wooes
by Mark Sapiro May 4, 2020

May 4, 2020

On 5/3/20 8:43 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > Inline. > > On Sun, May 3, 2020, 20:32 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net > <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> wrote: > > You are sending from a remote machine 198.199.98.177 to a presumably > remote domain domain.com <http://domain.com> so relay access is > denied as it should be. > > You need to add 198.199.98.177 to mynetworks in Postfix. > > > I can but domain.com <http://domain.com> is basically my Gmail I just > regex-ed the logs. If that's the fix is have to add every recepients > domain to mynetworks. You absolutely don't want to do that. The log entry is confusing. Between your munging domains and my MUA adding mailto: links to every email address, it's a mess. Let's try again: May 4 03:07:38 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[198.199.98.177]: 554 5.7.1 <csgeek(a)domain.com>: Relay access denied; from=<booh-bounces+csgeek=domain.com(a)lists.domain.org> to=<csgeek(a)domain.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<[127.0.1.1]>. This says Postfix received a RCPT command from 98.199.98.177. It looks like it comes from Mailman, i.e., the envelope sender loogs like a Mailman VERPed address <booh-bounces+csgeek=domain.com(a)lists.domain.org> for a message to <csgeek(a)domain.com> and that is the envelope recipient and the sender identified itself in EHLO as [127.0.1.1]. So Postfix thinks it is asked to relay from 98.199.98.177 to domain.com. Note that 98.199.98.177 is a Comcast network IP. It has nothing to do with gmail. So is the connect comes from Mailman on the Postfix machine, why does Postfix think it comes from 98.199.98.177. That's the issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Error after upgrading mailman3
by Gelpi Andrea May 4, 2020

May 4, 2020

Hi, in my installation the command mailman notify does not exist. Checking the debian packages I noticed the I could upgrade mailman form 3.2.1 to 3.2.2; mailman-web form 20180916-8 to 20180916-10; python3-django-hyperkitty from 1.2.2 to 1.3.2 I did it with apt-get install After that when I try to go to a postorius page the error Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core in mailman log I found: May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: Cannot import runner module: mailman.runners.rest.RESTRunner May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: Traceback (most recent call last): May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 55, in make_runner May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: runner_class = find_name(class_path) May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 52, in find_name May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: module = import_module(module_path) May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "/usr/lib/python3.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _gcd_import May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 728, in exec_module May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/rest.py", line 27, in <module> May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: from mailman.rest.wsgiapp import make_server May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 25, in <module> May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: from falcon.routing import map_http_methods, set_default_responders May 4 15:13:08 posta mailman3[10259]: ImportError: cannot import name 'map_http_methods' from 'falcon.routing' (/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/falcon/routing/__init__.py) I think there is a dependency error somewhere. Is there a way to solve it? Thank You -- Gelpi ing. Andrea -------------------------------------------------------------- It took the computing power of three C-64s to fly to the Moon. It takes a 486 to run Windows 95. Something is wrong here. --------------------------------------------------------------

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Installation Wooes
by Samir Faci May 4, 2020

May 4, 2020

A few questions about an Ubuntu install. I managed to add my domain to hyperkitty, created a new list and now i'm getting this behavior: ``` May 02 07:47:24 2020 (55358) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 331, in _step_send_confirmation self._set_token(TokenOwner.subscriber) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 157, in _set_token self.token = pendings.add(pendable, timedelta(days=3650)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/pending.py", line 91, in add token = token_factory.new() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py", line 79, in new return self._next_unpredictable_id() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py", line 155, in _next_unpredictable_id x = random.random() + right_now % 1.0 + time.clock() % 1.0 AttributeError: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock' ``` I'm on python 3.8.2 Question #2. I'm setting up mailman 3 on sqlite for simplicity's sake. Do people find the performance of mysql / postgres worth the upgrade? 2B. Is there a migration path if I want to switch to mysql at a later date? -- Thank you Samir Faci https://keybase.io/csgeek

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/bin/sh: sassc: command not found
by Ralf Wiegand May 4, 2020

May 4, 2020

/bin/sh: sassc: command not found - Not sure on what I am missing? FilterError at /hyperkitty/ /bin/sh: sassc: command not found Request Method: GET Request URL: http://192.168.0.27:8000/hyperkitty/ Django Version: 2.2.12 Exception Type: FilterError Exception Value: /bin/sh: sassc: command not found Exception Location: /opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django_compressor-2.4-py3.6.egg/compressor/filters/base.py in input, line 206 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv-3.6/bin/python Python Version: 3.6.8

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Separating Lists by Domain
by brian＠emwd.com May 1, 2020

May 1, 2020

I have successfully setup a second domain with my Mailman3 setup. I also created a list using the second domain. So I have two domains with one list each. The issue I see at this point is all of the lists are shown via Postorius regardless of the list domain used. Is it possible to have only the lists to show that are part of the domain being used to access? For example: http://domaina.com/postorius/lists/ Only listnames(a)domaina.com show up. http://domainb.com/postorius/lists/ Only listnames(a)domainb.com show up. Right now both domaina AND domainb lists showup regardless of the domain being used to access Postorius. The same goes for Hyperkitty as well. Brian

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Running mailman3 on AWS and dealing with SES email verification
by Mohsen Masoudfar May 1, 2020

May 1, 2020

Hi, This seems to be a very basic question and/or issue, but I could not find a reliable for it: Assume a list member with the email address like (just as an example) joe.student(a)university.edu<mailto:joe.student@university.edu> sends an email to a list, Mailman gets the email, processes it and would try to send that email to all members with a sender field as: 'joe.student(a)university.edu<mailto:joe.student@university.edu>'. plus listname(a)listserver.TLD<mailto:listname@listserver.TLD> AWS allows verified email addresses to send an email from an EC2 to internet, so the listname(a)listserver.TLD<mailto:listname@listserver.TLD> is OK, because listserver.TLD is already verified, BUT Joe's email is not and cannot be, because there are thousands of list users and they can change daily. The result is that Mailman's try to send the email would fail with the following error message: Message rejected: Email address is not verified. The following identities failed the check in region US-EAST-1: joe.student(a)university.edu<mailto:joe.student@university.edu> I changed the list property and made it an anonymous one, and it started sending the emails to the whole list members, but only with listname(a)listserver.TLD<mailto:listname@listserver.TLD> as the sender. So the list recipients cannot know the initiator of the discussion. I found some solution: * Asking the members to add their email to the signature * manipulating the from field and add the name of the sender as a comment, not that easy, needs some Python code * manipulating the from files and replacing the @ with something else, not that easy, needs some Python code * . . . More important: None of these would allow a simple click on the reply bottom to send the email to the original sender. I am thinking of running mailman on-premise and use our email relay, which we have full control on. But really, there is no elegant solution for this? I already opened a ticket with AWS support and they just insisted on their policy of verification. Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

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Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
by Mohsen Masoudfar May 1, 2020

May 1, 2020

Hi, I created a list called list_b@newlistserv.<tld<mailto:list_b@newlistserv.%3ctld>> , and added a user to it and invited the user. The user got a welcome email, when the user replies with help, The email gets rejected with the message: list_b wasn't found at newlistserv.<tld> and I see this entry in the postfix log on the server: postfix/smtpd[6757]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-eopbgr750113.outbound.xxx: 550 5.1.1 <list_b(a)newlistserv.xxx>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<xxx> to=<list_b(a)newlistserv.xxx> proto=ESMTP helo=<NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com> I am new to mailman3, my understanding was, maybe wrong, that when I create a list, mailman3 adds that to the local list of users. I think , I am missing something . . . Or probably this is related to a postfix setting? Best regards Mohsen

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I have issue where it does not send emails on to people in the list I create.
by john_warland＠hotmail.com April 30, 2020

April 30, 2020

Hello, I am quite new to Mailman3 and have been trying to get a working local test setup on a single VM (Centos07) I have issue where if I send an email to the list. it does not send emails on to the people subscribed to that list. Note the steps below were put together from memory after a few days of repeatably trying different things so there will be some inaccuracies I have mailman running on same local box as postfix, postorius and hyperkitty. I have root as the superuser in Postorius and have tried the following: In unix shell created new user 'developer' In unix shell created new user 'tester' In shell send an email from developer user to tester: echo 'Hello' | mailx -s 'Hello Subject line' tester(a)sandbox.mytest.com Confirmed user tester received email in cat /home/tester/Maildir/new/ folder: Return-Path: <developer(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com> X-Original-To: tester(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com Delivered-To: tester(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com Received: by cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) In Postorius web frontend: Signed up as root Received confirmation email in /root/Maildir/new/ folder so cut and pasted the Url in the email to activate account. Created new list called testlist(a)sandbox.mytest.com Logged out Signed up as tester Received confirmation email in /home/tester/Maildir/new/ folder so cut and pasted the Url to activate account. Subscribed tester to the testlist. Next in unix shell su as developer and send an email to testlist(a)sandbox.mytest.com The root user gets the following email Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your message to testlist(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com awaits moderator approval From: testlist-bounces(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com To: developer(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com Message-ID: <158824480291.3035.17408340520496115243(a)localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:06:42 +0000 Precedence: bulk X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.0 Your mail to 'testlist(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com' with the subject hello there 2 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The message is being held because: The message is not from a list member Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. Once I have gone back into Postorius as root and approved the message, root user gets a second email: Return-Path: <testlist-bounces(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com> X-Original-To: root(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com Delivered-To: root(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E056A84CE4 for <root(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com>; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8F1B684CE4; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:06:41 +0000 To: testlist(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20200430110641.8F1B684CE4(a)sandbox.mytest.com> From: developer(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com X-MailFrom: developer(a)cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: nonmember-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation Message-ID-Hash: FAPTJKJRZG2ELSOSBRBIDOBWXP3Y5QAY X-Message-ID-Hash: FAPTJKJRZG2ELSOSBRBIDOBWXP3Y5QAY X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:09:10 +0000 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.0 Precedence: list Subject: [Testlist] hello there 2 List-Id: A test list <testlist.sandbox.mytest.com> List-Help: <mailto:testlist-request@sandbox.mytest.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:testlist@sandbox.mytest.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:testlist-join@sandbox.mytest.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:testlist-leave@sandbox.mytest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A test email 2 _______________________________________________ Testlist mailing list -- testlist(a)sandbox.mytest.com To unsubscribe send an email to testlist-leave(a)sandbox.mytest.com At no point does the email appear in the tester(a)sandbox.mytest.com Maildir Configs as follows.. ================================================================================================== /etc/postfix/main.cf: ================================================================================================== queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix command_directory = /usr/sbin daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix data_directory = /var/lib/postfix mail_owner = postfix myhostname = cloud7.sandbox.mytest.com mydomain = sandbox.mytest.com myorigin = $mydomain inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, mail.$mydomain, www.$mydomain, ftp.$mydomain, sandbox.mytest.com unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 # Next line Obfuscated mynetworks = 192.***.***.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8 alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases recipient_delimiter = + home_mailbox = Maildir/ debug_peer_level = 2 debug_peer_list = sandbox.mytest.com debugger_command = PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin ddd $daemon_directory/$process_name $process_id & sleep 5 sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix setgid_group = postdrop html_directory = no manpage_directory = /usr/share/man sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.10.1/samples readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.10.1/README_FILES disable_dns_lookups = yes owner_request_special = no transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/postfix_lmtp # Setting to nothing fixes 'Recepient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table local_recipient_maps = relay_domains = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/postfix_domains ================================================================================================== /etc/mailman.cfg ================================================================================================== [devmode] enabled: yes recipient: root(a)sandbox.mytest.com [mailman] # local = Recommended as installing mailman from source. Folder structure in /var/tmp/mailman # fhs = /var/bin, /var/log, etc.. layout: fhs [logging.database] level: info [mta] # This config is for when mailman and the MTA (Postfix) are on the same host incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix [webservice] hostname: localhost port: 8001 use_https: no admin_user: restadmin admin_pass: restpass api_version: 3.1 ================================================================================================== /etc/mailman-suite-1.0.0/mailman-suite_project/settings.py ================================================================================================== In this file the main changes were: DEBUG=True SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)localhost.local' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' Commented out three lines of code: # if DEBUG == True: # EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.filebased.EmailBackend' # EMAIL_FILE_PATH = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'emails') Complete file: """ Django Settings for Mailman Suite (hyperkitty + postorius) For more information on this file, see https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/topics/settings/ For the full list of settings and their values, see https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/ """ # Build paths inside the project like this: os.path.join(BASE_DIR, ...) import os BASE_DIR = os.path.dirname(os.path.abspath(__file__)) # SECURITY WARNING: keep the secret key used in production secret! SECRET_KEY = 'change-this-on-your-production-server' # SECURITY WARNING: don't run with debug turned on in production! # Have to keep it True atm as the css styles screw up when set to False DEBUG = True ADMINS = ( ('Mailman Suite Admin', 'root@localhost'), ) SITE_ID = 1 # Hosts/domain names that are valid for this site; required if DEBUG is False # See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#allowed-hosts ALLOWED_HOSTS = [ "localhost", # Archiving API from Mailman, keep it. "MAILMAN_SERVER_ADDRESS", <--- I inject IP Address here # Add here all production URLs you may have. ] # Mailman API credentials MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = 'restpass' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'SecretArchiverAPIKey' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('127.0.0.1', '::1') # Application definition INSTALLED_APPS = ( 'hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', # Uncomment the next line to enable the admin: 'django.contrib.admin', # Uncomment the next line to enable admin documentation: # 'django.contrib.admindocs', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.github', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.gitlab', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.google', # 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.facebook', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.twitter', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.stackexchange', ) MIDDLEWARE = ( 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware', ) ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' TEMPLATES = [ { 'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': { 'context_processors': [ 'django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius', ], }, }, ] WSGI_APPLICATION = 'wsgi.application' # Database # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#databases DATABASES = { 'default': { # Use 'sqlite3', 'postgresql_psycopg2', 'mysql', 'sqlite3' or 'oracle'. 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.sqlite3', # DB name or path to database file if using sqlite3. 'NAME': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'mailmansuite.db'), # The following settings are not used with sqlite3: 'USER': 'mailmansuite', 'PASSWORD': 'mmpass', # HOST: empty for localhost through domain sockets or '127.0.0.1' for # localhost through TCP. 'HOST': '', # PORT: set to empty string for default. 'PORT': '', } # Example for PostgreSQL (recommanded for production): #'default': { # 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', # 'NAME': 'database_name', # 'USER': 'database_user', # 'PASSWORD': 'database_password', # 'HOST': 'localhost', #} } # If you're behind a proxy, use the X-Forwarded-Host header # See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#use-x-forwarded-host # USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True # And if your proxy does your SSL encoding for you, set SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#secure-proxy-ssl-header # SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = ('HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO', 'https') # SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = ('HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SCHEME', 'https') # Other security settings # SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = True # If you set SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT to True, make sure the SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT # contains at least this line: # SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [ # "archives/api/mailman/.*", # Request from Mailman. # ] # SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = True # SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True # SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = True # CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = True # CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True # X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' # Password validation # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.9/ref/settings/#auth-password-validators AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = [ { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.UserAttributeSimilarityValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.MinimumLengthValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.CommonPasswordValidator', }, { 'NAME': 'django.contrib.auth.password_validation.NumericPasswordValidator', }, ] # Internationalization # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/topics/i18n/ LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_TZ = True # Static files (CSS, JavaScript, Images) # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/howto/static-files/ # Absolute path to the directory static files should be collected to. # Don't put anything in this directory yourself; store your static files # in apps' "static/" subdirectories and in STATICFILES_DIRS. # Example: "/var/www/example.com/static/" STATIC_ROOT = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'static') # URL prefix for static files. # Example: "http://example.com/static/", "http://static.example.com/" STATIC_URL = '/static/' # Additional locations of static files STATICFILES_DIRS = ( # Put strings here, like "/home/html/static" or "C:/www/django/static". # Always use forward slashes, even on Windows. # Don't forget to use absolute paths, not relative paths. # BASE_DIR + '/static/', ) # List of finder classes that know how to find static files in # various locations. STATICFILES_FINDERS = ( 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', # 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.DefaultStorageFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder', ) # Django 1.6+ defaults to a JSON serializer, but it won't work with # django-openid, see # https://bugs.launchpad.net/django-openid-auth/+bug/1252826 SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' # If you enable internal authentication, this is the address that the emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#default-from-email # DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = "mailing-lists(a)you-domain.org" DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)localhost.local' # If you enable email reporting for error messages, this is where those emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#std:setting-SERVER_EMAIL # SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)your-domain.org' SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)localhost.local' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' # Compatibility with Bootstrap 3 from django.contrib.messages import constants as messages # flake8: noqa MESSAGE_TAGS = { messages.ERROR: 'danger' } # # Social auth # AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = ( 'django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend', ) # Django Allauth ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = "username_email" ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = "mandatory" # You probably want https in production, but this is a dev setup file ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = "http" ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = { 'openid': { 'SERVERS': [ dict(id='yahoo', name='Yahoo', openid_url='http://me.yahoo.com'), ], }, 'google': { 'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}, }, 'facebook': { 'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': [ 'email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone', ], 'VERSION': 'v2.4', }, } # # Gravatar # https://github.com/twaddington/django-gravatar # # Gravatar base url. # GRAVATAR_URL = 'http://cdn.libravatar.org/' # Gravatar base secure https url. # GRAVATAR_SECURE_URL = 'https://seccdn.libravatar.org/' # Gravatar size in pixels. # GRAVATAR_DEFAULT_SIZE = '80' # An image url or one of the following: 'mm', 'identicon', 'monsterid', # 'wavatar', 'retro'. # GRAVATAR_DEFAULT_IMAGE = 'mm' # One of the following: 'g', 'pg', 'r', 'x'. # GRAVATAR_DEFAULT_RATING = 'g' # True to use https by default, False for plain http. # GRAVATAR_DEFAULT_SECURE = True # # django-compressor # https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django_compressor # COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = ( ('text/less', 'lessc {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-scss', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ) # On a production setup, setting COMPRESS_OFFLINE to True will bring a # significant performance improvement, as CSS files will not need to be # recompiled on each requests. It means running an additional "compress" # management command after each code upgrade. # http://django-compressor.readthedocs.io/en/latest/usage/#offline-compression # COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True # Needed for debug mode # INTERNAL_IPS = ('127.0.0.1',) # # Full-text search engine # HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, "fulltext_index"), # You can also use the Xapian engine, it's faster and more accurate, # but requires another library. # http://django-haystack.readthedocs.io/en/v2.4.1/installing_search_engines.h… # Example configuration for Xapian: #'ENGINE': 'xapian_backend.XapianEngine' }, } # # Asynchronous tasks # Q_CLUSTER = { 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', } # A sample logging configuration. The only tangible logging # performed by this configuration is to send an email to # the site admins on every HTTP 500 error when DEBUG=False. # See http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/logging for # more details on how to customize your logging configuration. LOGGING = { 'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': { 'require_debug_false': { '()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse' } }, 'handlers': { 'mail_admins': { #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler' }, 'file':{ #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', #'class': 'logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler', 'class': 'logging.handlers.WatchedFileHandler', 'filename': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'logs', 'mailmansuite.log'), 'formatter': 'verbose', }, 'console': { 'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple', }, }, 'loggers': { 'django.request': { 'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True, }, 'django': { 'handlers': ['file'], #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True, }, 'hyperkitty': { 'handlers': ['file'], #'level': 'DEBUG', 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True, }, 'postorius': { 'handlers': ['console', 'file'], #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', }, }, 'formatters': { 'verbose': { 'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s' }, 'simple': { 'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s' }, }, 'root': { 'handlers': ['file'], #'level': 'ERROR', 'level': 'INFO', }, } # Using the cache infrastructure can significantly improve performance on a # production setup. This is an example with a local Memcached server. #CACHES = { # 'default': { # 'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.memcached.PyLibMCCache', # 'LOCATION': '127.0.0.1:11211', # } #} # When DEBUG is True, don't actually send emails to the SMTP server, just store # them in a directory. This way you won't accidentally spam your mailing-lists # while you're fiddling with the code. # Kept DEBUG=True as it breaks css styling when set to False so commented out this code as temp fix. #if DEBUG == True: # EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.filebased.EmailBackend' # EMAIL_FILE_PATH = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'emails') # # HyperKitty-specific # # Only display mailing-lists from the same virtual host as the webserver FILTER_VHOST = False POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' try: from settings_local import * except ImportError: pass

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Importing Mailman 2 Lists apart from Django
by Brian Carpenter April 30, 2020

April 30, 2020

Hello Mailman Users, Are there instructions on importing a Mailman 2 list into a Mailman 3 core installation only? Does the import21 script not need Django/Postorius/Hyperkitty? It seems Django is required to import archives I guess because of the use of Hyperkitty. How about importing archives without having a Django installation? Is that what the prototype archiver for? We are getting ready to start working on a custom forum application for Mailman 3 (called Empathy) and I am would like to import some mailman 2 archives into the development server to work with. Thanks. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

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MM3 on debian - redirect problem
by Gelpi Andrea April 30, 2020

April 30, 2020

Hi, on a debian10 I have mm3 installed via apt-get apt-get install mailman3-full dpkg-reconfigure mailman3 dpkg-reconfigure mailman3-web I have this minor issue https://webserver/mailman3 redirects to http://webserver/mailman/postorius/lists/ that doesn't exist. The same problem form django admin page to return to lists https://website/mailman3/admin/sites/site In the upper right corner I have a link to https://webserver/mailman3 that redirects to https://mailman/postorius/lists/ I searched for a redirect but without success. Thank You -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

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mailman3 vs postfix
by Ralf Wiegand April 29, 2020

April 29, 2020

Hello, I need some help to get the postfix part to work right. Because this is a test setup I don't really send any emails out. How can I create a admin login account without email verification? Thank you, best regards Ralf Wiegand

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Fwd: [GNC-dev] Passwords are Confidential
by flywire April 29, 2020

April 29, 2020

Looking forward to Mailman 3. How can I get an indication of when Mailman 3 code is likely to run on Fedora 29? On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:42 AM Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/25/20 2:08 AM, flywire wrote: > > MailMan version 2.1.29 > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 6:08 PM Adrien Monteleone wrote: > > > > You can turn off the reminder in your mailman settings. > > > > As this is part of the mailman code, perhaps a bug report to them > > would be in order concerning the storage issue. > > > > Regards, > > Adrien > > > > > On Apr 24, 2020 w17d115, at 11:29 PM, flywire > > > > > > My password is confidential so please don't email it to me in > > plain text. > > > Don't even store it, instead encrypt what I entered and store that > > so you > > > can verify an encrypted version of the password I enter in the > future. > > > This is a well known, long standing issue which will not be fixed in > Mailman 2.1. See <https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/265179> > > It is fixed in Mailman 3. > > -- > Mark Sapiro > Derek Atkins 2020-04-25 18:32:15 EDT Code runs Fedora 29. Mailman 3 isn't available on F29. When code gets upgraded, mailman will be upgraded. As for turning off the reminder; you can turn it off yourself. Thank you.

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having issues with EMAIL_HOST =
by Ralf Wiegand April 28, 2020

April 28, 2020

python manage.py runserver 0.0.0.0:8000 Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 381, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 325, in execute settings.INSTALLED_APPS File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/conf/__init__.py", line 79, in __getattr__ self._setup(name) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/conf/__init__.py", line 66, in _setup self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/conf/__init__.py", line 157, in __init__ mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 994, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 971, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 955, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 665, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 674, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 781, in get_code File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 741, in source_to_code File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/settings.py", line 286 EMAIL_HOST = ‘mail.somedomain.org’ ^ SyntaxError: invalid character in identifier Mark - I don't want to complain all the time, but it is a nightmare to install and setup mailman3. Any idea why I am getting the above message? Thank You, Ralf Wiegand

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hyperkitty web site
by Gelpi Andrea April 28, 2020

April 28, 2020

Hi, after importing old mm2 messages into mm3 archive I found that hyperkitty dos not show the lists index in home page if FILTER_VHOST = True https://website/mailman3/hyperkitty/ show an empty lists. If I add list/list@domain1 I can see the archive. I think the problem is the domain name example.com that I saw in the upper left corner. If in django administration I rename that site it works. But having more than one domain this is not a solution. what i need is to separate different domains https:/website1/mailman3/hyperkitty shows some lists https:/website2/mailman3/hyperkitty shows other lists Where am I wrong? What have I to change in hyperkitty to have the correct domain shown? Is there a documentation to configure that? Hyperkitty version is 1.2.2 Thank you. -- Gelpi ing. Andrea -------------------------------------------------------------- It took the computing power of three C-64s to fly to the Moon. It takes a 486 to run Windows 95. Something is wrong here. --------------------------------------------------------------

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How to access my mailman 3 REST API over https and from another machine?
by Shashikanth Komandoor April 28, 2020

April 28, 2020

Hi, I have setup Mailman 3.3 version and would like to use the REST API by another application. But that application is on another machine and so I need to allow accessibility from another machine also. Along with that as I am trying to access from another machine I need to access the REST API of mailman 3 over https only. Could any one guide me to enable mailman 3 REST API over https and access from another machine other than localhost only ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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MM2 to MM3 on debian 10
by Gelpi Andrea April 28, 2020

April 28, 2020

Hi, on a debian 10 with MM3 I'm trying to migrate form some old MM2 mailing lists. I know that not all can work. In my old lists I have email and regular expressions in reject_these_nonmembers and discard_these_nonmembers After importing the list all these email are in non member list. All these email have Delivery status enabled. Does this mean that all of them will receive any message sent to the list? The moderation rule is correct, but if I understood correct Delivery status should be disabled. For migration I followed this link https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html To migrate archives it states to run python manage.py hyperkitty ... I cant' find a manage.py on debian 10 A search shows the only /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py exists. Is there any documentation specific for debian? Thank You -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to know the URLs for CURL while getting or modifying the data of mailman 3
by Stephen J. Turnbull April 25, 2020

April 25, 2020

Shashi, This whole thread is off-topic for the developers list. This list is for development of Mailman, not for teaching people to use it. Read the whole recommended documentation before you ask busy developers to tutor you in very basic things. There's a mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list for users to help each other. All of the Mailman developers who might be willing to answer your questions are there as well, but there are also many experienced users, some of whom have experimented with the REST API who will also help. Please reply there for further help. (Reply-To is set.) That said, there are plenty of URLs in the API documentation. Here's a hint: search for "dump_json". That function takes an URL. You may want https: instead of http: in your URLs, and you may need to change the port from 9001, depending on the configuration of your REST server. Try it with simple GET requests for information first, such as for domains or lists. You can also do these requests with an ordinary web browser, though I don't know what it will do with the JSON-formatted reply. If you don't have domains and lists configured, I suppose the informational requests will come back as empty JSON objects. It should be safe to make them. You can either use Postorius to bootstrap a few example domains, lists, and users, or (the hard way) figure out how to POST appropriate requests. I don't recommend trying to update the backend DBMS by hand; the schema is quite complicated. I don't know how to use curl to update Mailman's databases. That requires a POST request which I have never done with curl. The POST request needs to be valid JSON. The more I think about this, the less I think your idea of using curl is worthwhile, because formatting JSON requests by hand is going to be a real annoyance and a great way to mess up your database with spurious information. You're really going to want programmatic support for this. But that's already all available in Python in the Mailman system. It's up to you, but I feel a responsibility to warn you that using curl is not going to be simpler than learning enough Python to do these things. Regards,

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Bounce processing
by Andrew Hodgson April 23, 2020

April 23, 2020

Hi, Just upgraded to Mailman 3.3.1 at the beginning of the week and its very refreshing to have bounce processing working after all this time, stops the continued delivery to dud email addresses causing problems with junk email scoring. Anyway after a few days of using this I have noted the following feedback: When users are set to disabled after their bounce score reaches a certain threshold, I seem to recall on Mailman 2 they were sent an email with a link to reactivate their subscription. On Mailman 3 they are told to contact the list admin, I have had messages from a few subscribers regarding this asking how they can re-enable delivery. I am also getting bounces that look like they are coming from Qmail (Yahoo addresses) which are being forwarded to the list owner as unrecognised bounces. Should the type of bounces that Mailman 2 was handling be handled in Mailman 3 or is the way that the addresses are extracted different? I have disabled the relevant users but do have the bounces to hand. Thanks. Andrew.

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Changing web access
by Ralf Wiegand April 22, 2020

April 22, 2020

Hello Members, I am testing mailman3 in a test environment. python manage.py runserver Performing system checks... System check identified no issues (0 silenced). April 22, 2020 - 14:13:57 Django version 2.2.12, using settings 'settings' Starting development server at http://127.0.0.1:8000/ Quit the server with CONTROL-C. tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6497/python tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6404/python How can I change this to have access from any host on my local network. The server running mailman3+hyperkitty+postorius is a rhel7 server without a GUI interface. I also need to give access to our developer on the same subnet. Thank You, Best regards, Ralf Wiegand

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Can't open PID file after start.
by Torge Riedel April 22, 2020

April 22, 2020

Hi, today there were some package upgrades on my server for python3. Just to be safe I did a "systemctl restart mailman" afterwards. Calling "systemctl status mailman" gave me the following output: mailman.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/opt/mailman/core/mailman.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Wed 2020-04-22 07:01:30 CEST; 6s ago Process: 24178 ExecStop=/opt/mailman/core/bin/mailman.sh stop (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 24180 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/core/bin/mailman.sh start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 24182 (python3) Tasks: 13 (limit: 2335) CGroup: /system.slice/mailman.service ├─24182 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/master -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg ├─24185 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=archive:0:1 ├─24186 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 ├─24187 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=command:0:1 ├─24188 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=in:0:1 ├─24189 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=lmtp:0:1 ├─24190 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=nntp:0:1 ├─24191 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=out:0:1 ├─24192 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=pipeline:0:1 ├─24193 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 ├─24194 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=retry:0:1 ├─24195 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=virgin:0:1 └─24196 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/core/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/core/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 Apr 22 07:01:28 basis2 systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... Apr 22 07:01:29 basis2 mailman.sh[24180]: Starting Mailman's master runner Apr 22 07:01:29 basis2 systemd[1]: mailman.service: Can't open PID file /opt/mailman/var/master.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory Apr 22 07:01:30 basis2 systemd[1]: Started GNU Mailing List Manager. Should I treat the PID message as an info or is it an error and something is now broken? The file is there (content is 24182) and timestamp is from the time where I restarted mailman. Best Torge

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Different Mail Domain Cause Key Error
by Brian Carpenter April 22, 2020

April 22, 2020

I have a client that requires his list address to be list(a)domain.com. But since he is using domain.com for an external website, he has to access his list via Postorius using list.domain.com. So here is what I did: Django Admin Add Site: list.domain.com Add Mail Domain: domain.com (Site selected is list.domain.com) Postorius Add Domain: Mailhost is domain.com. Web Host is list.domain.com (list.domain.com) I have list.domain.com listed in the allowed hosts in settings_local.py. I even added domain.com there as well. When I try to access Postorius using list.domain.com I get a "An error occurred while processing your request." message and the logs shows the dreaded: ``` 'Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/ KeyError at /mailman3/lists/ 'file' ``` Did I miss a step here? Thanks, Brian

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MM3 gateway errors and frequent reboot needs
by hansen＠rc.org April 22, 2020

April 22, 2020

We have had to reboot the list server almost every week and wonder if there is something leaking and eating up resources. I does not appear to be memory, though. The server is slow to respond (could be because it's overseas) and then after some time we get intermittent gateway errors and finally we cannot access the lists online because of the gateway errors. It appears to me that the issue is with Postorius, but I could be wrong. Do files get closed after opening? Are we alone having such issues? Please advise. PS: My old MM2 installation could (and did) run without any help. Not so with MM3.

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Mailman Core 3.3.1 release
by Abhilash Raj April 19, 2020

April 19, 2020

Hey Everyone, I am pleased to announce Mailman Core 3.3.1 is now out. This release includes support for bounce processing, which had been lacking in Mailman 3 until now. So, after upgrading to this release, you will notice bounce related notifications from Mailman 3 being sent out to list owners if the list has bounce processing enabled (which, most list do by default). Postorius changes for new bounce processing options are coming out soon, I would like the current head to bake in a little longer since it went through bootstrap 4 upgrade recently. Expect it to be out in about a month. If your users would really care about bounce processing being enabled and not being able to tune threshold and notification parameters in the web interface, you might want to wait for Postorius's next release before upgrading. It also exposes all the remaining attributes of MailingList via REST API, so Postorius can expose them in the Web Interface. This should finally make all attributes of a MailingList manageable via Web Interface, without having to access command line interface. There has also been a whole lot of bug fixes. A full list of changes can be found at: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html#id1 The release is available via PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/3.3.1/ To install this release via pip, you can run: $ pip install --upgrade mailman -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Extract posts into mbox file
by Andrew Bernard April 18, 2020

April 18, 2020

Where are the posts stored in the database? What tables? How would on go about exporting them into mbox format for the complete set?

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Recommended way to backup a mailman3 instance
by Gilles Filippini April 18, 2020

April 18, 2020

Hi, I'd like to schedule periodic backup for our mailman3 instance. Are there recommended ways for doing this without down times? Thanks in advance, _g.

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Is a directory: '…/mailman/templates'
by Stefan Tatschner April 14, 2020

April 14, 2020

hey folks, I am struggling with my mailman server for quite some time now. I am on 3.3 and the out runner cannot sent emails any more. According to this issue [1] I found out--by logging the exception as well--, that mailman has this problem: Mar 31 09:34:51 2020 (71057) ACCEPT: <c1e4aa1be5b61c289c69a66a6d55565333d5a35b.camel(a)rumpelsepp.org> Mar 31 09:34:52 2020 (71079) Cannot connect to SMTP server 127.0.0.1 on port 25: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/templates' What the hell is going on here? ☹︎ any ideas what's wrong? The runner doesn't try to connect to postfix, since it fails with a strange template error. Stefan [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/514

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Mailman Core 3.3.1rc1 release
by Abhilash Raj April 10, 2020

April 10, 2020

Hey Everyone, I have just released Mailman Core 3.3.1rc1. The final release is scheduled for next week, 17th April. This release includes support for bounce processing, which had been lacking in Mailman 3 until now. So, after upgrading to this release, you will notice bounce related notifications from Mailman 3 being sent out to list owners if the list has bounce processing enabled (which, most list do by default). Postorius changes for new bounce processing options are coming out soon, I would like the current head to bake in a little longer since it went through bootstrap 4 upgrade recently. Expect it to be out in about a month. If your users would really care about bounce processing being enabled and not being able to tune threshold and notification parameters in the web interface, you might want to wait for Postorius's next release before upgrading. It also exposes all the remaining attributes of MailingList via REST API, so Postorius can expose them in the Web Interface. This should finally make all attributes of a MailingList manageable via Web Interface, without having to access command line interface. There has also been a whole lot of bug fixes. A full list of changes can be found at: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html#rc1 The release is available via PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/3.3.1rc1/ To install this release via pip, you can run: $ pip install --upgrade --pre mailman Note the `--pre` flag because this is a pre-release. If you can, I encourage you to try this out with your environment and report any major breakage to us. We have been running this code on the server hosting this list, so it has already seen some testing, but it is always nice to have some more. If there aren't any major breaking changes reported, the final release will be identical to this one. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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SMTPAuthenticationError at /accounts/login/
by mmasoudf＠aaas.org April 9, 2020

April 9, 2020

I have setup the stack according to: Mailman Suite Documentation. Release 3.3 PDF file. I configured EMAIL_HOST_USER and EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD in Django settings.py. I could not find the place that I might configure it for Postfix and , sort of logically, I get the following error: SMTPAuthenticationError at /accounts/login/ I can see that it tries the user name and password I configured in settings.py (EMAIL_HOST_USER , EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD). When I try to access the site through the web. I can login as admin, but not as any other user. I am running the site on AWS and to be able to use AWS mail-servers I have to define following parameter for AWS: smtp_sasl_password_maps which points to a hash for AWS 'ACCESS KEY ID' and 'SECRET ACCESS KEY' Any idea is highly appreciated.

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Loads of postgres requests: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" ...
by Gilles Filippini April 9, 2020

April 9, 2020

Hello, I run a small mailman3 server (6 lists, less than 100 users), and I can't access anymore to the administration web page for one of these lists: > Something went wrong > Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. The other lists seems OK. Looking at the postregsql logs I see a full load of these requests (4 to 5 per second!): LOG: statement: SELECT "django_q_ormq"."id", "django_q_ormq"."key", "django_q_ormq"."payload", "django_q_ormq"."lock" FROM "django_q_ormq" WHERE ("django_q_ormq"."key" = 'default' AND "django_q_ormq"."lock" < '2020-04-09T07:57:37.828200+00:00'::timestamptz) LIMIT 1 Any clue appreciated. Many thanks in advance, _g.

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Re: Uncaught runner exception
by Wolfgang Bock April 9, 2020

April 9, 2020

Hello Mark, thanks for your hint. Postfix is runnig as mta on my machine. I tested port 25 with swaks ->mail to user on server: localhost port 25 -> everything fine Mailman is configured with localhost for incoming and outgoing mails. After stopping mailman3, deleting all files in the queue directories, restart mailman3 I sent a test-mail /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log Apr 07 12:08:23 2020 (28198) Master started Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28206) out runner started. Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28202) command runner started. Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28203) in runner started. Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28200) archive runner started. Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28201) bounces runner started. Apr 07 12:08:24 2020 (28210) retry runner started. Apr 07 12:08:25 2020 (28208) rest runner started. Apr 07 12:08:25 2020 (28212) digest runner started. Apr 07 12:08:25 2020 (28205) nntp runner started. Apr 07 12:08:26 2020 (28211) virgin runner started. Apr 07 12:08:26 2020 (28207) pipeline runner started. Apr 07 12:08:26 2020 (28204) lmtp runner started. Apr 07 12:09:19 2020 (28203) ACCEPT: <000f01d60cc4$96c9a8d0$c45cfa70$@[domain]> Apr 07 12:09:21 2020 (28206) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 I have no idea what to do for solving my problems. Regards from Hamburg Wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Gesendet: Montag, 6. April 2020 23:50 An: Wolfgang Bock <mailinglisten(a)wbock.de> Betreff: Re: [MM3-users] Re: Uncaught runner exception On 4/6/20 2:44 PM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: > Thank you Steven for your reply! > > I Set smtp_server to port 25 and got a "Cannot connect ro SMTP Server > on port 25", the former error message didn't show again. > > As I see port 25 is reseved for postfix. So I have to fiddle out how > mailman3 could also use this port for sending mails out. .... You need an MTA for Mailman to deliver its mail to. Normally this will be Postfix, sendmail, Exim, etc running on localhost and listening on port 25. Do you have such an MTA running on localhost? Note, Mailman does not directly send mail to end recipients. It only delivers mail to an outgoing MTA. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Outgoing STMP services? IP reputations?
by Seth Seeger April 7, 2020

April 7, 2020

Hello everyone, Forgive me if this is the wrong list. I’m curious to hear what users are doing for MM3 hosting and what you are using for outgoing services. I am hosting a Mailman3 installation for a community that I am part of, and we have 6 lists which generated 136,000 outgoing emails last month. I’m currently hosting this on a 2-core 4GB RAM EC2 (t3a.medium) instance at Amazon. I went with Amazon because their outgoing email relay (SES) is free for the first 62,000 emails/month. (I didn’t do my homework - I thought that would be plenty!) I’d much rather be hosting on Linode, since their setup is waaaaay simpler and easier to understand. I went with an SMTP service so that I wouldn’t have to deal with managing an IP address reputation…. (Any other SMTP relay service besides the Amazon SES/hosting would cost >$80/month.) Do you use an SMTP relay service? Do you just send directly from your VM’s IP address? Do you have trouble with getting black listed? What have you done about your IP address reputation? Is DKIM and SPF enough to get past an IP address without an established reputation? Thank you! Seth

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Uncaught runner exception
by Wolfgang Bock April 7, 2020

April 7, 2020

Hello, I need your help. I got a "Uncaught runner exception: invalid literal for int() with base 10:" Referring to a discussion in Sept. 2019 with Manos Pitsidianakis "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25" I did following: stop both postfix and mailman 3 services. Deleted all files in the /var/lib/mailman3/queue directories. Restarted both services. With following configurations: (extracts): /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver smtp_host: Tried with 127.0.0.1/localhost/server ip or FQDN=servername smtp_port: (got a "cannot connect to SMTP Server on port 25") so I let this item empty ... smtp_user: smtp_pass: lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix /var/log/postfix/mail.info Apr 6 00:02:22 ... postfix/postfix-script[31407]: starting the Postfix mail system Apr 6 00:02:22 ... postfix/master[31409]: daemon started -- version 3.4.8, configuration /etc/postfix Apr 6 00:03:09 ... postfix/smtpd[31462]: connect from mout-p-103.mailbox.org[80.241.56.161] Apr 6 00:03:09 ... policyd-spf[31468]: prepend Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=80.241.56.161; helo=mout-p-103.mailbox.org; envelope-from=[mail address]; receiver=<UNKNOWN> Apr 6 00:03:09 ... postfix/smtpd[31462]: D29FE138023E: client=mout-p-103.mailbox.org[80.241.56.161] Apr 6 00:03:09 ... postfix/cleanup[31471]: D29FE138023E: message-id=<6a504834-123a-60f6-3a0e-494623b74523(a)mailbox.org> Apr 6 00:03:25 ... postfix/qmgr[31411]: D29FE138023E: from=<[mail address]>, size=2811, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Apr 6 00:03:25 ... postfix/smtpd[31462]: disconnect from mout-p-103.mailbox.org[80.241.56.161] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 Apr 6 00:03:25 ... postfix/lmtp[31481]: D29FE138023E: to=<[list address]>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=16, delays=16/0.01/0/0.1, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Apr 6 00:03:25 ... postfix/qmgr[31411]: D29FE138023E: removed /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log Apr 06 00:02:12 2020 (31148) Master started Apr 06 00:02:13 2020 (31158) rest runner started. Apr 06 00:02:13 2020 (31150) archive runner started. Apr 06 00:02:13 2020 (31159) retry runner started. Apr 06 00:02:14 2020 (31161) virgin runner started. Apr 06 00:02:14 2020 (31154) lmtp runner started. Apr 06 00:02:14 2020 (31155) nntp runner started. Apr 06 00:02:14 2020 (31153) in runner started. Apr 06 00:02:14 2020 (31151) bounces runner started. Apr 06 00:02:15 2020 (31157) pipeline runner started. Apr 06 00:02:15 2020 (31152) command runner started. Apr 06 00:02:15 2020 (31162) digest runner started. Apr 06 00:02:16 2020 (31156) out runner started. Apr 06 00:03:26 2020 (31153) ACCEPT: <6a504834-123a-60f6-3a0e-494623b74523(a)mailbox.org> Apr 06 00:03:26 2020 (31156) Uncaught runner exception: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '' Apr 06 00:03:26 2020 (31156) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 77, in deliver agent = BulkDelivery(int(config.mta.max_recipients)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/mta/bulk.py", line 50, in __init__ super().__init__() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 45, in __init__ config.mta.smtp_host, int(config.mta.smtp_port), Any hints how to solve the problem?? Regards Wolfgang

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Protocol version
by David Krantz April 5, 2020

April 5, 2020

Hi. I have the following displayed when I look at the "System Information" in Postorius: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.0 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.6 (default, Dec 19 2019, 23:49:42) [GCC 5.4.0 20160609] What surprises me is the protocol version. I have tried to set the protocol version to 3.1 in mailman core (which should be the latest according to the documentation) and restarting both core and web but that gives no effect. Normally I have not had any protocol version defined. Everything seems to work just fine but something is strange, either the documentation, my setup or mailman/postorius. // David

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Postorius confirmation mails shown in uwsgi-error.log but not sent
by Ralph Seichter April 4, 2020

April 4, 2020

I have struggled for hours but cannot seem to figure it out. After registering new user accounts in Postorius, the "confirm your address" emails don't get sent via SMTP (my MTA does not even log connection attempts), but their content is displayed in uwsgi-error.log. I think I disabled developer mode in Core and Postorius: $ mailman conf | grep devmode [devmode] enabled: no [devmode] recipient: [devmode] testing: no [devmode] wait: 60s $ grep ^DEBUG settings.py DEBUG = False Users can subscribe via list-join(a)domain.tld, including confirmations. Account registration using the WebUI works as well, it's just the emails that don't get sent. What am I missing, I wonder? -Ralph

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Finding a mailman3 installation description that works
by ralf.wiegand＠tena-sda.org April 1, 2020

April 1, 2020

WE are currently using mailman2. I have the task to setup and install a maiman3 server. Postfix is installed and working. Can anybody point me to a link where the actual installation is described using RHEL 7 or RHEL 8. This will be a hardened DISA compliant server, so I am trying to avoid installing compilers and tools that are not part of the standard RHEL 7 repos. Thank You, Best regards, Ralf Wiegand

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Mailman3 moving to new server, not able to establish SMTP connection
by Andrew Hodgson March 28, 2020

March 28, 2020

Hi, Whilst we are all stuck in doors I have started a project to move Mailman3 from a Docker installation to a new server using a Python venv. Old server was Debian Jessie and the new one is Buster. Using Exim with stock config. Everything seems to be going ok but mail isn't delivering (cannot connect to SMTP server). I have /opt/mailman which I did chown -R list:list mailman.cfg has following MTA settings: [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.exim4.LMTP configuration: python:mailman.config.exim4 I wrote a Systemd unit which starts Mailman from the venv and started up Mailman once I got Postgres sorted so it would create the necessary files in the var directory structure. One thing I noticed and had to fix is that it doesn't creat the directories for existing lists, and the Exim config examples out there check for the existance of those directories to identify whether the address exists. I created those anyway and set ownership perms as before. Once I fixed that I sent a test message to the owner address and that routed correctly and the headers indicated the message was sent back to localhost by Mailman. However I can't get it to route a list message, here is a log showing the start of the Mailman master processes and me sending a test message from Outlook (so incoming mail is routing ok): Mar 28 16:03:20 2020 (21877) Master started Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21889) lmtp runner started. Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21896) virgin runner started. Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21887) command runner started. Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21890) nntp runner started. Mar 28 16:03:32 2020 (21886) bounces runner started. Mar 28 16:03:33 2020 (21892) pipeline runner started. Mar 28 16:03:33 2020 (21888) in runner started. Mar 28 16:03:33 2020 (21895) retry runner started. Mar 28 16:03:34 2020 (21894) rest runner started. [2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21894] [INFO] Starting gunicorn 20.0.4 [2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21894] [INFO] Listening at: http://127.0.0.1:8001 (21894) [2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21894] [INFO] Using worker: sync [2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21963] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 21963 Mar 28 16:03:34 2020 (21885) archive runner started. [2020-03-28 16:03:34 +0000] [21965] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 21965 Mar 28 16:03:34 2020 (21897) digest runner started. Mar 28 16:03:36 2020 (21891) out runner started. Mar 28 16:04:25 2020 (21888) ACCEPT: <AM0PR08MB39085771D0E2D9114FDE8E83AFCD0(a)AM0PR08MB3908.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com> Mar 28 16:04:26 2020 (21885) HyperKitty archived message <AM0PR08MB39085771D0E2D9114FDE8E83AFCD0(a)AM0PR08MB3908.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com> to https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/hyperkitty/list/blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgs… [28/Mar/2020:16:04:26 +0000] "GET /3.0/lists/blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org HTTP/1.1" 200 445 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.0" Mar 28 16:04:27 2020 (21891) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 [28/Mar/2020:16:04:27 +0000] "GET /3.0/lists/blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org/config HTTP/1.1" 200 2595 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.0" [28/Mar/2020:16:04:27 +0000] "GET /3.0/users/andrew(a)hodgson.io HTTP/1.1" 200 439 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.0" Now in the out queue I have this: root@elrond:/opt/mailman# ls -la /opt/mailman/var/queue/out total 32 drwxrwx--- 2 list list 4096 Mar 28 16:34 . drwxr-xr-x 14 list list 4096 Mar 28 13:25 .. -rw-rw---- 1 list list 11152 Mar 28 16:34 1585413255.2412584+390ab148e589108ed9e849445e5e90410f69def3.bak -rw-rw---- 1 list list 11152 Mar 28 16:34 1585413255.4891446+75bde47331619263b05f582c28ceb85a13bb5265.pck.tmp There is no connection attempt in the Exim log from Mailman and I can connect to localhost:25. This is a dualstack machine and I was wondering whether we had any IPV6 issues (I had an issue with Gunicorn and Nginx routing traffic due to this earlier that I had to sort), but as owner addresses are working I don't know what is different on that. Any suggestions? Thanks. Andrew.

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