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UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character
by Marvin Gülker 16 Dec '19

16 Dec '19

Hi, I've accidentally sent from an unregisted address to one of my lists. Mailman correctly held the message back for moderation, but when I go to the page for held messages in postorios, I receive a 500 error. I've included an except from the log below. To me, it looks as if it errors on processing my last name (which has a non-ascii character in it). This is Postorius 1.1.2 on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS from the repos. I've searched on the tracker for the problem and found one ticket[1], but it has something with logging so I suppose this is a different problem. Ideas? And how do I discard the message without access to the held messages page? Python version is 3.6.8. Log excerpt: Dec 09 13:21:04 2019 (3090) REST request handler error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 214, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "falcon/api.py", line 215, in falcon.api.API.__call__ (falcon/api.c:2872) File "falcon/api.py", line 189, in falcon.api.API.__call__ (falcon/api.c:2419) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 167, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in _make_collection for resource in collection] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 159, in <listcomp> for resource in collection] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 157, in _resource_as_dict resource = self._make_resource(request.id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 78, in _make_resource resource['msg'] = msg.as_string() File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 158, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 243, in _handle_text msg.set_payload(payload, charset) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 315, in set_payload payload = payload.encode(charset.output_charset) UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\ufffd' in position 269: ordinal not in range(128) Dec 09 13:21:04 2019 (3090) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.0/lists/tsc-devel(a)lists.secretchronicles.org/held?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 500 59 -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu

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admin/login/ cannot be accessed
by jean-christophe manciot 14 Dec '19

14 Dec '19

Ubuntu 20.04 python3-django 2:2.2.6-1ubuntu1 python3-django-hyperkitty 1.3.1 (built from sources) mailman3-full 3.2.2-1 Nginx server configuration: ``` ... ######## # Static ######## location /favicon.ico { alias <mysite_dir>/static/hyperkitty/img/favicon.ico; } location /static/favicon.ico { alias <mysite_dir>/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico; } location /static/ { alias <mysite_dir>/static/; } ####################### # Upstream uwsgi server ####################### location / { include /etc/nginx/uwsgi_params; uwsgi_pass 127.0.0.1:<uwsgi_server_port>; } ... ``` where: - <mysite_dir> is a symlink to <django_dir>/static - <uwsgi_server_port> matches the one defined in ```/etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini```: ``` [uwsgi] # Port on which uwsgi will be listening. uwsgi-socket = 127.0.0.1:<uwsgi_server_port> ``` All 3 systemd services run fine: - mailman3 - mailman3-web - qcluster I'm trying to login to the django administration pages. I get the django administration login page at: https://mysite/admin/login/ Logging in with the admin credentials leads to: ``` This site can’t be reached The webpage at https://mysite/admin/login/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. ERR_HTTP2_PROTOCOL_ERROR ``` This is very strange because it is the URL which I used to get the login page in the first place. If I launch a test web server at another port with: ``` <django_dir># python3 manage.py runserver <mysite_ip_address>:8080 Performing system checks... System check identified no issues (0 silenced). December 11, 2019 - 17:50:48 Django version 2.2.6, using settings 'settings' Starting development server at http://<mysite_ip_address>:8080/ Quit the server with CONTROL-C. ``` and access it at ```http://<mysite_ip_address>:8080/admin/login/``` to login with the same credentials as before, I get through and all the django administration lines appear, although in a degraded layout: ``` Site administration Accounts Email addresses Add Change Authentication and Authorization Groups Add Change Users Add Change Django Mailman 3 Mail domains Add Change Profiles Add Change ... ``` Any idea what could be happening here?

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bounces with empty message-id
by Peter Münster 12 Dec '19

12 Dec '19

Hi, It seems, that mailman bounces the bounces, so that the list-owner never sees them: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- postfix/smtpd[12002]: connect from out04.smtpout.orange.fr[193.252.22.213] postfix/smtpd[12002]: 879D6F12E8: client=out04.smtpout.orange.fr[193.252.22.213] postfix/cleanup[11841]: 879D6F12E8: message-id=<> postfix/qmgr[10092]: 879D6F12E8: from=<>, size=4048, nrcpt=1 (queue active) postfix/smtpd[12002]: disconnect from out04.smtpout.orange.fr[193.252.22.213] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 postfix/lmtp[11846]: 879D6F12E8: to=<test-bounces(a)my-domain.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.05, delays=0.04/0/0/0.01, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 550 No Message-ID header provided (in reply to end of DATA command)) postfix/qmgr[10092]: 879D6F12E8: removed --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- What could I do please, to get the bounces? I would like to use VERP to identify wrong addresses... TIA for any hints, -- Peter

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Hyperkitty Error
by Brian Carpenter 11 Dec '19

11 Dec '19

I am seeing the following error being repeated every 2 seconds in the uwsgi-error.log: 01:22:05 [Q] INFO Process-1:19112 processing [compute_thread_positions] 01:22:05 [Q] ERROR Failed [compute_thread_positions] - 'DiGraph' object has no attribute 'node' : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 381, in worker res = f(*task['args'], **task['kwargs']) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 127, in _compute_thread_positions compute_thread_order_and_depth(thread) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/analysis.py", line 55, in compute_thread_order_and_depth walk_successors(thread.starting_email.id) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/analysis.py", line 37, in walk_successors obj = graph.node[msgid]["obj"] AttributeError: 'DiGraph' object has no attribute 'node' I am running the docker version of Mailman, version 1.3.0. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brian

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Default moderation for new members
by Seth Seeger 11 Dec '19

11 Dec '19

Hello everyone, I’m loving Mailman3 so far! Great work on it. I’d like to have new members who join my lists have their posting ability set to moderated. (After their first legitimate post, they would set to be unmoderated.) I haven’t been able to find this, though I’m suspecting the language has changed. Thanks, Seth

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Logging subscribes/unsubscribes
by Brian Carpenter 10 Dec '19

10 Dec '19

Does Mailman 3 log subscribes and unsubscribes for each list the way Mailman 2 did? Brian

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HyperKitty async tasks runner: systemd qcluster service fails eventually
by actionmystique＠gmail.com 09 Dec '19

09 Dec '19

Ubuntu 20.04 mailman3 3.2.2-1 python3-django-hyperkitty 1.3.0-1ubuntu1 According to [Hyperkitty Asynchronous tasks paragraph](https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html#asynchronous-tasks), we can start a qcluster systemd service file: ``` [Unit] Description=HyperKitty async tasks runner After=network.target remote-fs.target [Service] ExecStart=/usr/bin/django-admin qcluster --pythonpath <django_project_path> --settings settings User=<user> Group=<group> Restart=always [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target ``` Starting it works fine: ``` # systemctl restart qcluster # systemctl status qcluster ● qcluster.service - HyperKitty async tasks runner Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/qcluster.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Wed 2019-12-04 15:09:46 CET; 2ms ago Main PID: 1055959 ((go-admin)) Tasks: 0 (limit: 9284) Memory: 0B CGroup: /system.slice/qcluster.service └─1055959 (go-admin) Dec 04 15:09:46 samsung4-ubuntu systemd[1]: Started HyperKitty async tasks runner. ``` However, the service fails after a few seconds: ``` # systemctl status qcluster ● qcluster.service - HyperKitty async tasks runner Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/qcluster.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed 2019-12-04 15:09:48 CET; 1min 1s ago Process: 1055961 ExecStart=/usr/bin/django-admin qcluster --pythonpath <django_project_path> --settings settings (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) Main PID: 1055961 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) Dec 04 15:09:48 samsung4-ubuntu systemd[1]: qcluster.service: Service RestartSec=100ms expired, scheduling restart. Dec 04 15:09:48 samsung4-ubuntu systemd[1]: qcluster.service: Scheduled restart job, restart counter is at 5. Dec 04 15:09:48 samsung4-ubuntu systemd[1]: Stopped HyperKitty async tasks runner. Dec 04 15:09:48 samsung4-ubuntu systemd[1]: qcluster.service: Start request repeated too quickly. Dec 04 15:09:48 samsung4-ubuntu systemd[1]: qcluster.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Dec 04 15:09:48 samsung4-ubuntu systemd[1]: Failed to start HyperKitty async tasks runner. ``` The corresponding log file is empty and I cannot find any issue in the other logs. Any suggestion? Also, another doc paragraph [Running the task queue (required)](http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#running-the-t…) talks about another required command "python manage.py qcluster"; so which one is it?

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Source Installation Assistance
by Brian Carpenter 06 Dec '19

06 Dec '19

I am trying to install Mailman 3 from source using: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/index.html My first question is where is the best place to get assistance or ask questions regarding the installation process? I am not sure if mailman-users is that place anymore. Thanks, Brian

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Cannot start lmtp runner due to error while attempting to bind on address ('127.0.0.1', 8024): address already in use
by actionmystique＠gmail.com 04 Dec '19

04 Dec '19

Ubuntu focal 20.04 mailman3 3.2.2-1 In ```/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg```: ``` # Where the LMTP server listens for connections. Use 127.0.0.1 instead of # localhost for Postfix integration, because Postfix only consults DNS # (e.g. not /etc/hosts). # Configuration is for a system where Mailman and the MTA are on the same host lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 ``` Stopping mailman3 and checking that no lmtp runner is active: ``` # systemctl stop mailman3 # ps -aux |grep mailman|grep -Pv "(postgres|grep)" www-data 855395 0.0 0.4 82856 37904 ? Ss 13:01 0:00 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini www-data 855411 0.0 0.3 156588 25724 ? Sl 13:01 0:00 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini www-data 858518 0.0 0.2 82856 22532 ? Ss 13:52 0:00 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini ``` Starting mailman3 and checking all active mailman3 runners: ``` # ps -aux |grep mailman|grep -Pv "(postgres|grep)" www-data 855395 0.0 0.4 82856 37904 ? Ss 13:01 0:00 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini www-data 855411 0.0 0.3 156588 25724 ? Sl 13:01 0:00 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini www-data 858612 0.0 0.2 82856 22532 ? Ss 13:54 0:00 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini list 858626 17.8 0.9 103248 74680 ? Ss 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/master --force -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg list 858628 27.2 0.7 87176 62244 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=archive:0:1 list 858629 28.6 0.8 89116 64044 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 list 858630 29.2 0.8 90184 64972 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=command:0:1 list 858631 27.0 0.7 87560 62420 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=in:0:1 list 858632 28.8 0.8 89620 64508 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=lmtp:0:1 list 858633 26.6 0.7 84464 60800 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=nntp:0:1 list 858634 26.2 0.7 81964 58580 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=out:0:1 list 858635 28.4 0.7 88692 63648 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=pipeline:0:1 list 858636 26.4 0.7 83308 59820 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 list 858637 26.8 0.7 84076 60828 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=retry:0:1 list 858638 29.2 0.8 90176 64964 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=virgin:0:1 list 858639 27.4 0.7 87564 62528 ? R 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 ``` We clearly see that lmtp runner is active; then it exits after a few seconds: ``` # ps -aux |grep mailman|grep -Pv "(postgres|grep)" www-data 855395 0.0 0.4 82856 37904 ? Ss 13:01 0:00 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini www-data 855411 0.0 0.3 156588 25724 ? Sl 13:01 0:00 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini www-data 858612 0.0 0.2 82856 22532 ? Ss 13:54 0:00 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini list 858626 2.7 0.9 103248 74680 ? Ss 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/master --force -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg list 858628 4.3 0.9 103260 74704 ? S 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=archive:0:1 list 858629 4.3 0.9 103256 74964 ? S 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 list 858630 4.3 0.9 103256 74920 ? S 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=command:0:1 list 858631 4.3 0.9 103256 74804 ? S 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=in:0:1 list 858633 4.4 0.9 103924 75444 ? S 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=nntp:0:1 list 858634 4.3 0.9 103256 74392 ? S 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=out:0:1 list 858635 4.3 0.9 103260 74876 ? S 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=pipeline:0:1 list 858636 4.4 0.9 182412 79472 ? Sl 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 list 858637 4.4 0.9 103256 74964 ? S 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=retry:0:1 list 858638 4.5 0.9 103256 74808 ? S 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=virgin:0:1 list 858639 4.4 0.9 103256 74776 ? S 13:54 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 ``` The systemd service status gives a clue: ``` # systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - Mailman3 server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Mon 2019-12-02 13:54:45 CET; 2min 51s ago Docs: man:mailman(1) https://mailman.readthedocs.io/ Process: 858617 ExecStart=/usr/bin/mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg start --force (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 858626 (python3) Tasks: 14 (limit: 9284) Memory: 688.5M CGroup: /system.slice/mailman3.service ├─858626 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/master --force -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg ├─858628 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=archive:0:1 ├─858629 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 ├─858630 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=command:0:1 ├─858631 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=in:0:1 ├─858633 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=nntp:0:1 ├─858634 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=out:0:1 ├─858635 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=pipeline:0:1 ├─858636 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 ├─858637 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=retry:0:1 ├─858638 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=virgin:0:1 └─858639 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 Dec 02 13:54:52 samsung4-ubuntu mailman3[858617]: self.lmtp.start() Dec 02 13:54:52 samsung4-ubuntu mailman3[858617]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 60, in start Dec 02 13:54:52 samsung4-ubuntu mailman3[858617]: raise self._thread_exception Dec 02 13:54:52 samsung4-ubuntu mailman3[858617]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 40, in _run Dec 02 13:54:52 samsung4-ubuntu mailman3[858617]: ssl=self.ssl_context)) Dec 02 13:54:52 samsung4-ubuntu mailman3[858617]: File "/usr/lib/python3.7/asyncio/base_events.py", line 579, in run_until_complete Dec 02 13:54:52 samsung4-ubuntu mailman3[858617]: return future.result() Dec 02 13:54:52 samsung4-ubuntu mailman3[858617]: File "/usr/lib/python3.7/asyncio/base_events.py", line 1374, in create_server Dec 02 13:54:52 samsung4-ubuntu mailman3[858617]: % (sa, err.strerror.lower())) from None Dec 02 13:54:52 samsung4-ubuntu mailman3[858617]: OSError: [Errno 98] error while attempting to bind on address ('127.0.0.1', 8024): address already in use ``` Of course the port is already in use: it is used by dovecot. ``` tcp6 0 0 ::1:8024 :::* LISTEN 0 1317360 129620/dovecot tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8024 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 1316324 129620/dovecot ``` I must be missing something.

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Changelog and/or Release Notes
by Brian Carpenter 28 Nov '19

28 Nov '19

Now that I am using Mailman 3.3, where can I find the release notes and/or changelog for core, postorius and hyperkitty under Mailman 3.3? Thanks! Brian

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 Ready?
by Stephen J. Turnbull 27 Nov '19

27 Nov '19

Allan Hansen writes: > What is the best, easiest, guaranteed-to-work way to get this > Mailman 3 up and running (OS, add-ons, options, etc.). When I tried > myself, I saw a lot of options that I really did not really care to > have because I did not know the consequences of each. I’m an > application programmer, not a systems programmer. It's email, there are no guarantees. I hate to say that, but that's the way it is. In particular, I'm concerned about the "iRedMail" integration, which may be a complete wildcard from my point of view. With respect to the relevant iRedMail components, I can say that Mailman 3 is perfectly happy with Postfix as MTA (it's the recommended configuration, although I use Exim4 for historical reasons), and I've been satisfied with a small-scale set of lists (about 10 active ones, with at most 20 subscribers total) using Apache+mod_swgi to host Postorius and HyperKitty. The problem would be if your friend (is that the Frank in the CC? hi, Frank!) really really wants to manage Mailman 3 through iRedAdmin -- that will get messy I suspect, and pragmatically speaking, we can't support it, we don't have the cycles. So he'd be on his own, especially since the iRedMail folks have their own bespoke mailing list manager. I would recommend avoiding iRedAdmin integration, and just using Postorius since the subscribers and non-site-admin moderators (if any) will need to use Postorius anyway. Ignoring the iRedAdmin issue, the absolute simplest is 1. Install any Linux distribution with a Docker package. 2. Install the distribution's Docker package. 3. Download and install Mailman Project's Mailman 3 container. 4. Upgrade the container manually (ie, download and reinstall) as appropriate. For reference, what I would recommend to my friends, who would give me hands-on access in emergencies: 1. Install the Debian distribution. (What I use.) 2. Pin the Mailman 3 packages to "experimental". The idea would be to get Mailman 3 upgrades as fast as possible, even at the risk of packaging issues. (My experience with default-to-experimental system for several years was that this happened at most once a year, and the three or four cases all got fixed within days.) 3. Install the Mailman 3 packages. 4. Adjust any dependencies that need non-"stable" versions. 5. Upgrade via apt or whatever occasionally. 6. When Mailman 3 is working well, downgrade the pins to a more stable level. Since you do have such a friend, there's probably a similar process that works for his distribution-of-choice. > The problem is that my MacOS users are getting tripped up by the > mangling, as it is hidden by the mail clients. I have instructed > them to remove previous recipients regularly from the list of such, > if they contain the ‘via list’ string. But they don’t read my > emails, and we see many embarrassing email ssent to the lists that > are meant for one-on-one communication. I guess we could provide a setting where reply-to goes *only* to author, instead of to author *and* list as we currently recommend. But that is going to make you (or list owners) the focus of user ire because their intended replies to list go only to author. What do you think? tl;dr The rest is me blowing off steam. :-) > The fact that the mangling will continue is a disappointment. It's a disappointment to the sane people at the IETF, too, including the rep from Yahoo!, who's a very smart lady (I may be biased, she gave me a kitten once. ;-) Yahoo! is violating the original concept (DMARC "p=reject" was supposed to be used *only* for "transactional" mail, i.e., direct private communication between a business and its clients), but I see her point: when you've had a hundred million or so address books hacked and sold to spammers, and the spammers are sending literally millions of "recommendation from a friend" spams per hour for days on end, you use the tools to hand. > I’m inclined to tell all my AOL and Yahoo users and others in the same > boat to find another email service. I know the feeling. I'm lucky in that respect: the Ministry of Education prohibits use of yahoo mailboxes at Japanese universities. (Which is a WTF of a different kind: yahoo.co.jp is a franchise, not controlled by yahoo.com, and doesn't use p=reject at least at the time MoE issued that policy.) Mail is just hard. It was designed for a "friendly network of users", not for today's rather hostile open Internet, and even if they had envisioned this in the 70s when the message format and SMTP mail transmission protocol were designed, the fundamental problem is that pretty much everyone has a genuine need, even if only occasional, to receive messages from untrusted and even unknown senders.

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Setting up From: field as list address
by Steven Maddox 25 Nov '19

25 Nov '19

Hi folks, I'm trying to configure our mailman3 lists (via postorious) in a way that'll mean they'll behave in the way way that I've witnessed on another 3rd party list (one running mailman2). This is where (when receiving a message from the list) the From: is the list itself, and the person who actually sent it bizarrely appears as a CC:, for example... From: Steven Madox via Shropshire LUG <shropshire(a)mailman.lug.org.uk> Subject: [Shropshire LUG] Whatever To: shropshire(a)mailman.lug.org.uk CC: s.maddox(a)lantizia.me.uk At the moment our settings are the default/recommended... I *was* just going to set munging to 'Reply goes to list' which would just set a 'Reply-To' header... until I realised that... a) that won't help Thunderbird users as it just ignores Reply-To if it came from a list b) doesn't fix the issue with people having their own SPF/DKIM set on their mail domains So ultimately I'm starting to see why this 3rd party mailing list (another linux user group, a neighbouring one just south of us) does it this way... if anyone knows the mailman3 equivalent setting? p.s. I've read both the mailman2 and 3 notes related to why munging is not recommended, but I'd still like to know how this is done - to keep our options open more than anything. -- Steven Maddox Lantizia

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 Ready?
by Stephen J. Turnbull 25 Nov '19

25 Nov '19

Reply-To set to mailman-users(a)mailman3.org. Allan Hansen writes: > I need to upgrade from Mailman 2.1 - my hardware needs upgrading > (badly) and the address mangling is having my subscribers rip their > hair out. That's not going to go away. We have ARC support in Mailman 3, but (a) like most envelope manipulation, that should be done in boundary MTAs, not in Mailman, and (b) ARC implementation is not universal. *Very likely* some of your subscribers are going to lose mail if you depend on ARC, rather than munge from. > I need to get this done before they start on my already thinning > hair! I sympathize. I tell the little kids I meet that my hair grows out of the bottom of my face, not the top (it's very alliterative in Japanese[1], the kids frequently don't get it but the accompanying adults usually laugh). > I’m ready and eager to move on to MM3 on a Linux box. The obvious "turn-key" installation is to use the Docker containers, which Abhilash keeps fairly up-to-date. But see comment below about universal working solutions. Which distro do you have? Are you using the distro's packages of Mailman 3 (not yet a good idea, unfortunately), or installing from source? > I have looked into it a few times now and I keep running into the > same blocks. I don't see much moving either. I was hoping someone > (Mailman developing community) would come up with a better working > solution. It's email. There are no universal working solutions. > [Some third party wrote:] My concern is that the Mailman3 is not > ready. There are too many dead ends and undocumented stuff. Who is this guy and has he consulted us? I'd like to do an archive search if he's done so to see what the issues are. > For Mailman2 I have a working integration with iRedMail, that does > not seem to work with 3. What's iRedMail? How does it fit into the community your lists serve? > So, is MM3 ready for the big screen? Works for us, for values of us including python.org. > If so, is there some way/how/where/when that my friend can get help > helping me with the installation other than the published > installation docs, which did not work for us? mailman-users(a)mailman3.org is the Mailman 3 version of this list. If your friend is the type to get his hands dirty with code, and has the time for development activity, mailman-developers(a)python.org would also be useful. You might be better off getting bids from consultants. There's a page listing them on wiki.list.org. > I have looked for both free and commercial alternatives to MM, There are sites that support MM commercially. I think the prices are reasonable, of course YMMV on that. Again, there's a page for those services on wiki.list.org. Footnotes: [1] "hage dakara hige o" -- the vowels are pronounced as Spanish or Italian, the consonants as in English.

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Create new list styles via Postorius
by Torge Riedel 23 Nov '19

23 Nov '19

Dear all, I have found this documentation on list styles: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/docs/styles.html Is there any way to create and configure list styles via Postorius web interface? Thanks in advance Torge

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Advice
by jk＠ascii.com 20 Nov '19

20 Nov '19

We are seeking a consultant to help migrate us from Mailman 2.1.9 to 3 > Mailing list (Core + Postorius) + web-forum (Hyperkitty). Any recommendations is appreciated - Jerry

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Adding / manipulating users
by Seth Seeger 19 Nov '19

19 Nov '19

Hello, Thank you for your help with the moderation status. My next question - I have two lists from Yahoo to import. I’ve migrated them through groups.io and have a convenient export. I now have all the data in formats I can handle. (json file for members, mbox for archives.) What’s the best way to import hundreds of users, setting their mail delivery status and moderation status at the same time? (There doesn’t seem to be a command line option for adding members anymore where you can also set their delivery status.) I’ve looked at the documentation, but couldn’t figure out what to do. Thanks, Seth

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postorius ssl-certificates for virtual hosts
by Wolfgang Bock 18 Nov '19

18 Nov '19

Hello, On my server are several virtual hosts running with different lists per host. The appropriate webaddress is in general: https://lists.[domain]/mailman3/postorius/lists/[listname].lists.[domain]. My domains: [domain-1] starts with a b* [domain-2] starts with a s* [domain-3] starts with a t* If I use the webadress https://lists.[domain-1]/mailman3/postorius/lists/[listname].lists.[domain-… and I do a click on the https-symbol in the address line of my browser I get the secury-information " every thing is ok" and the certificate-information is about the wildcard-certificate I just created for the right domain. Different result is for the webadress https://lists.[domain-2]/mailman3/postorius/lists/[listname].lists.[domain-…. In this case I get an information like "you are using a wrong certificate" clicking on the https-symbol references tot he certificate of [domain-1] I set in my apache2 configuration a symbolic link to apache.conf in the /etc/mailman3/directory and made this active. What did I wrong?? If I set use_https to yes in mailman.cfg I get on the website for all lists: postorius: Something went wrong Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. In the logs I found … mailman.log Nov 14 23:04:25 2019 (28584) command runner started. Nov 14 23:20:41 2019 (28590) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.0/lists?advertised=true&count=0&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Nov 14 23:20:41 2019 (28590) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.0/lists?advertised=true&count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 606 Nov 14 23:20:41 2019 (28590) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/domains HTTP/1.1" 200 1438 Nov 14 23:20:41 2019 (28590) 127.0.0.1 - - code 400, message Bad HTTP/0.9 request type ('\x16\x03\x01\x02\x00\x01\x00\x01ü\x03\x03\x00³m\x98¶\x02¨\\Å^\x11£ì{\x94«§*\x 9cÅýÎk\x9f¡ã\x89s/õë') Nov 14 23:20:41 2019 (28590) 127.0.0.1 - - "........ü...³m.¶.¨\Å^.£ì{.«§*.ÅýÎk.¡ã.s/õë .Ô$M...b¥øDR.Ï...G¹PpÖ.'W°û-Óìü¶.>......À,À0..Ì©Ì¨ÌªÀ+À/..À$À(.kÀ#À'.gÀ" 400 mailman-web.log ERROR 2019-11-14 22:20:41,471 1405 postorius.middleware Mailman REST API not available Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 95, in call response, content = Http().request(url, method, data_str, headers) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1513, in request (response, content) = self._request(conn, authority, uri, request_uri, method, body, headers, redirections, cachekey) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1263, in _request (response, content) = self._conn_request(conn, request_uri, method, body, headers) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1186, in _conn_request conn.connect() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1012, in connect self.sock = self._context.wrap_socket(sock, server_hostname=self.host) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/ssl.py", line 412, in wrap_socket session=session File "/usr/lib/python3.7/ssl.py", line 853, in _create self.do_handshake() File "/usr/lib/python3.7/ssl.py", line 1117, in do_handshake self._sslobj.do_handshake() ssl.SSLError: [SSL: WRONG_VERSION_NUMBER] wrong version number (_ssl.c:1056) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 185, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 706, in list_index choosable_domains = _get_choosable_domains(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 560, in _get_choosable_domains return [(d.mail_host, d.mail_host) for d in domains] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 560, in <listcomp> return [(d.mail_host, d.mail_host) for d in domains] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 121, in __getattr__ return self._get(name) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 87, in _get return self.rest_data.get(key) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 76, in rest_data response, content = self._connection.call(self._url) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 109, in call raise MailmanConnectionError('Could not connect to Mailman API') mailmanclient.restbase.connection.MailmanConnectionError: Could not connect to Mailman API [pid: 1405|app: 0|req: 963/963] 2a02:8108:483f:b9c0:94f1:d2bb:9642:b6d0 () {62 vars in 1310 bytes} 22:20:41 2019] GET /mailman3/postorius/lists/ => generated 3901 bytes in 89 msecs (HTTP/1.1 503) 5 headers in 180 bytes (1 switches on core 0)

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[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error:
by Wolfgang Bock 18 Nov '19

18 Nov '19

Hello, I got an errormessage via mail to root@[domain-01]. The complete text is attached in a utf-8-text-file. In the lines ...6, 8, 12, 119, 138, 141, 149, 150, 151, 155, 161, 162, 165, 166, 169, 187, 247, 251, 321 ....you can find links to different domains anonymised as [domain-01], [domain-02], [domain-03], [domain-04]. I don't know how to solve this problem. Regards Wolfgang

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Mailing lists sometimes do not honor moderation_action of non-members
by Alan So 14 Nov '19

14 Nov '19

We notice that sometimes mailing lists do not honor moderation_action of non-members. Instead, it follows the default action of the lists. It looks like we can sometimes fix the issue by adding/removing the non-members or adding/removing them as owner in certain order but we are not sure about exactly what we have to do. So, it looks like that it is not caused by the list configuration. We have already verified from the web UI, mailman client and the DB table member that moderation_action of the corresponding non-members are set correctly. Any clues for us to provide further information to troubleshoot the issue and any recommended workaround to get around the issue? Thanks a lot.

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Python error, debian package, again
by Lars Schimmer 06 Nov '19

06 Nov '19

Hi! I did filed #248 in https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues and tried to resolve this issue. Furst converted the database as noted in the ticket, no solution. Second search all unicode subject lines in DB for the specific mailinglist, and delete them all via hyperkitty web interface, no success, error still appears. As the error happens 10-12 time on strange times (6am 2:20 pm, 4:20pm), it does not look like a fixed cron job. Abhilash Raj (maxking) mentionend, it maybe a issue with mailman core trying to deliver the message to hyperkitty. But how can I remove those broken messages, or twitch hyperkitty to accept and discard them? Those 30-60 error messsages/day are really annoying and on the other side do not look fine for mailman3 to break at such a easy task. (could have discarded those messages, also). So, please, howto fix this? thank you. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

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When mass subscribing using format John Doe <john.doe@example.com>, "Members" show some with real name, others without.
by Henrik Rasmussen 30 Oct '19

30 Oct '19

GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato): A list administrator asked me why some people is subscribed with full name and some are not, when he is mass subscribing people using the format John Doe john.doe(a)example.com. He had experienced this a lot of times. I tested this several times on my test lists, and one member, who already had his name registrered in Account (Postorius top right), and thus also in Django, kept being subscribed without real name, while the others was subscribed with full name in Members -> Subscribers. It seems (I’m not certain about this) that the one’s without real name is the one’s already having an account and thus registred in Django (admin/auth/user/), while the ones subscribed with full name associated is the ones not having an account already. However, as soon as the member (the one with the account) went to Account and changed his real name, the name was immediately associated with the subscription in Members -> Subscribers. I expect this to be by design, but why isn’t the name associated with the subscription when mass subscribing in the first place, taken from the account? Henrik Rasmussen

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High Server Load problem
by Brian Carpenter 30 Oct '19

30 Oct '19

For about a week now, I am seeing very high server loads and it seems to have something to do with the following process hanging: uwsgi --ini /opt/mailman-web/uwsgi.ini I am using the docker version of Mailman. When this process hangs, the server load just goes sky high and both Postorius and Hyperkitty no longer responds. I don't have very many sites on this server and I am running about 30 lists. I really need some assistance here as this needs to be fixed. I am seeing nothing in the logs that is explaining why this process is hanging and why the server load goes through the roof. Running docker-compose restart mailman-web kills the hanged process and the server load goes down. Postorius and Hyperkitty starts responding again. This seems to happen once a day. Brian

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Rendering HTML for moderation
by Gila Halpern 30 Oct '19

30 Oct '19

Hi, new member here doing some research for my boss. Does Mailman 3 allow HTML rendering in the moderation queue, or only plain text? I'm asking because our list mod doesn't have time to check each image in a submission individually, so we currently don't allow images, but the boss wants to allow them.

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Mangled digests on Mailman3
by Mark Dadgar 29 Oct '19

29 Oct '19

So since I upgraded to Mailman3 recently, I’m getting reports of mangled digests even with with plaintext digests turned on. Running 3.2.1 from the ubuntu packages. This list was imported from mailman 2.1.x. Example below. Any thoughts on how to fix this? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 From: tr*****-request(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:trackjunkies-request@pdc-racing.net> Subject: tr***** Digest, Vol 267, Issue 464 Date: October 19, 2019 at 5:49:46 PM PDT To: tr*****(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net> Reply-To: tr*****(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net> Send tr***** mailing list submissions to tr*****(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tr*****-request(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:trackjunkies-request@pdc-racing.net> You can reach the person managing the list at tr*****-owner(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:trackjunkies-owner@pdc-racing.net> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tr***** digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: PGE phasing out EV-A (XXXXX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 00:49:38 +0000 From: XXXXX Subject: [PDC] Re: PGE phasing out EV-A To: tr***** - The Single Biggest Drag On US GDP <tr*****(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>> Message-ID: <0bca2bfb8e294ea5b910d7ae6d2a698c(a)Progent.com <mailto:0bca2bfb8e294ea5b910d7ae6d2a698c@Progent.com>> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_005_0bca2bfb8e294ea5b910d7ae6d2a698cProgentcom_"; type="multipart/alternative" --_005_0bca2bfb8e294ea5b910d7ae6d2a698cProgentcom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_0bca2bfb8e294ea5b910d7ae6d2a698cProgentcom_" --_000_0bca2bfb8e294ea5b910d7ae6d2a698cProgentcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGVyZSBhcmUgdGhlIFNNVUQgcmF0ZXMuIFNvY2lhbGlzbSB3b3JrcyENCg0KVGltZS1vZi1EYXkg KDUtOCBwLm0uKSBSYXRlIGRldGFpbHMNCiBOb24tc3VtbWVyDQpPY3RvYmVyIDEgLSBNYXkgMzEN Ck9mZi1wZWFrDQpNaWRuaWdodCDigJMgNSBwLm0uDQokMC4wOTY5IGtXaA0KQWxsIGRheSB3ZWVr ZW5kcyBhbmQgaG9saWRheXMNClBlYWsNCjUgcC5tLiDigJMgOCBwLm0uDQokMC4xMzM4IGtXaA0K T2ZmLXBlYWsNCjggcC5tLiAtIG1pZG5pZ2h0DQokMC4wOTY5IGtXaA0KIFN1bW1lcg0KSnVuZSAx IC0gU2VwdGVtYmVyIDMwDQpPZmYtcGVhaw0KTWlkbmlnaHQg4oCTIG5vb24NCiQwLjExNjYga1do Etc.

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Chinese characters in list name shows question mark (?)
by Franklin Weng 26 Oct '19

26 Oct '19

Hi list, I set up a mailman3 server and built a few lists to test. When I set the list name using Chinese characters, the web site shows correctly. However in the subscribing welcome mail the list name was shown in question marks. Screenshot is here: https://nextcloud.slat.org/index.php/s/CxPjpYMbQzQ6444 The LANGUAGE_CODE settings.py (in Debian /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py) is set to zh-tw , and USE_I18N and USE_L10N are all set to True. Is there any other setting I should look at? Thanks, Franklin

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Search problem in 3.2.1?
by Mark Dadgar 23 Oct '19

23 Oct '19

Anyone seen this before? This is the result of any search query I run. I installed ElasticSearch as the search engine yesterday and this is the result. It is still indexing (large archives). Mailman 3.2.1 from the debian packages in Ubuntu 19.10. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 Begin forwarded message: From: root(a)pdc-racing.net Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/search Date: October 22, 2019 at 7:44:49 AM PDT To: mark(a)pdc-racing.net Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/search UnboundLocalError at /hyperkitty/search local variable 'search_exception' referenced before assignment Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mail.pdc-racing.net/mailman3/hyperkitty/search?q=Ken Django Version: 1.11.22 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.7.5 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python37.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.7', '/usr/lib/python3.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:44:49 +0000 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/paginator.py" in count 79. return self.object_list.count() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/query.py" in count 522. return len(self) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/query.py" in __len__ 86. self._result_count = self.query.get_count() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py" in get_count 619. self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/backends/elasticsearch_backend.py" in run 951. results = self.backend.search(final_query, **search_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py" in wrapper 33. return func(obj, query_string, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/backends/elasticsearch_backend.py" in search 524. _source=True) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/elasticsearch/client/utils.py" in _wrapped 84. return func(*args, params=params, **kwargs) During handling of the above exception (search() got an unexpected keyword argument 'doc_type'), another exception occurred: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/search.py" in search 90. request.GET.get('count'), File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py" in paginate 72. objects = paginator.page(page_num) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/paginator.py" in page 57. number = self.validate_number(number) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/paginator.py" in validate_number 46. if number > self.num_pages: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/functional.py" in __get__ 35. res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/paginator.py" in num_pages 91. if self.count == 0 and not self.allow_empty_first_page: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/functional.py" in __get__ 35. res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/paginator.py" in count 84. return len(self.object_list) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/query.py" in __len__ 86. self._result_count = self.query.get_count() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py" in get_count 619. self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/backends/elasticsearch_backend.py" in run 951. results = self.backend.search(final_query, **search_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/backends/__init__.py" in wrapper 33. return func(obj, query_string, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/backends/elasticsearch_backend.py" in search 524. _source=True) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/elasticsearch/client/utils.py" in _wrapped 84. return func(*args, params=params, **kwargs) During handling of the above exception (search() got an unexpected keyword argument 'doc_type'), another exception occurred: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 187. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 185. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/search.py" in search 100. if not isinstance(e, search_exception): Exception Type: UnboundLocalError at /hyperkitty/search Exception Value: local variable 'search_exception' referenced before assignment Request information: USER: admin GET: q = 'Ken' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data

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Domain Issue with MM3
by Liebeskind Uri (luri) 23 Oct '19

23 Oct '19

Hi all, our University has various departments and research projects and teams. Each of them might want more than one mailing list. It would be straight forward to create mailing lists such as: <list-name>@lists.mydomain.ch Example: In this case "digital" is an entity / Project / Department marketing.digital(a)lists.zhaw.ch<mailto:marketing.digital@lists.zhaw.ch> newsletter.digital(a)lists.zhaw.ch<mailto:newsletter.digital@lists.zhaw.ch> research.digital(a)lists.zhaw.ch<mailto:research.digital@lists.zhaw.ch> Other Examples might be: help.health(a)lists.zhaw.ch newsletter.health(a)lists.zhaw.ch research.health(a)lists.zhaw.ch<mailto:research.health@lists.zhaw.ch> If entities have more than one mailing list, it is required to build a stronger "mailing list identity", it is required to let the "entity" be part of the domain name: marketing(a)digital.lists.zhaw.ch newsletter@digital@lists.zhaw.ch career(a)health.lists.zhaw.ch newsletter(a)health.lists.zhaw.ch career(a)ict.lists.zhaw.ch support(a)ict.lists.zhaw.ch The University of Zurich (uzh.ch) does this as well and it looks very reasonable and useful to me: https://lists.uzh.ch/sympa/ca/domains https://business.lists.uzh.ch/sympa https://dqbm.lists.uzh.ch/sympa https://chess.lists.uzh.ch/sympa I have setup this mailing list test(a)digital.lists.zhaw.ch<mailto:test@digital.lists.zhaw.ch> but subscribing failed. * Subscribing via the Mass Import Form failed with a Server Error message in the browser. * Subscribing via e-mail test-join(a)digital.lists.zhaw.ch<mailto:test-join@digital.lists.zhaw.ch> because no response came from MM3. The mail to join has been delivered properly to MM3 but MM3 has swallowed the mail w/o response or error message. There also has not been any pending subscription. 2019-10-23T19:51:33.678705+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/smtpd[98348]: connect from srv-mail-013.zhaw.ch[160.85.104.123] 2019-10-23T19:51:33.692258+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/smtpd[98348]: A8EFC3FA6A: client=srv-mail-013.zhaw.ch[160.85.104.123] 2019-10-23T19:51:33.693192+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/cleanup[98351]: A8EFC3FA6A: message-id=<eb90deb6-58af-a873-3382-c27ce6d05031(a)anydomain.org> 2019-10-23T19:51:33.704102+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/qmgr[90603]: A8EFC3FA6A: from=<name(a)anydomain.org>, size=5329, nrcpt=1 (queue active) 2019-10-23T19:51:33.704864+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/smtpd[98348]: disconnect from srv-mail-013.zhaw.ch[160.85.104.123] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 2019-10-23T19:51:33.763670+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/lmtp[98352]: A8EFC3FA6A: to=<test-join(a)digital.lists.zhaw.ch>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.08, delays=0.02/0.01/0/0.05, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) 2019-10-23T19:51:33.764485+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/qmgr[90603]: A8EFC3FA6A: removed 2019-10-23T19:52:29.278529+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/smtpd[98348]: table hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp(0,lock|fold_fix|utf8_request) has changed -- restarting 2019-10-23T19:52:29.286154+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/smtpd[98558]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] 2019-10-23T19:52:29.288612+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/cleanup[98351]: table hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains(0,lock|utf8_request) has changed -- restarting 2019-10-23T19:52:29.292655+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/smtpd[98558]: 476AD3FA6A: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] 2019-10-23T19:52:29.293671+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/cleanup[98559]: 476AD3FA6A: message-id=<157185314763.94537.10517326910475727036(a)svma-s-01321.zhaw.ch> 2019-10-23T19:52:29.296393+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/qmgr[90603]: table hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains(0,lock|utf8_request) has changed -- restarting 2019-10-23T19:52:29.298231+02:00 svma-s-01321 postfix/smtpd[98558]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 commands=4 I'd be grateful for a useful hint what is going wrong here? Kind regards, Uri Liebeskind -- ------------------------------------ Zurich University of Applied Sciences Information and Communication Technology Uri Liebeskind System Administrator Gertrudstrasse 15 Postfach 805 CH-8401 Winterthur Tel. +41 58 934 72 63 Fax. +41 58 935 72 63 http://www.zhaw.ch/en/ -------------------------------------

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Issues installing postorius and hyperkitty
by thushantha.lakmal＠arm.com 23 Oct '19

23 Oct '19

Hi All. Im trying to install the mailmain suite with the postorius and hyperkitty . Mailman installation completed successfully but for postorius and hyperkitty Im getting the following errors .. Please can someone help me .. For postorius (Using pip3 install postorius ) ERROR: django-mailman3 1.3.0 has requirement Django<2.2,>=1.11, but you'll have django 2.2.6 which is incompatible. For hyperkitty (Using pip3 install hyperkitty ) de41118f448bcb3b8df405c5228e1 Stored in directory: /root/.cache/pip/wheels/79/50/a5/9410f4b2e62e35c285de46ffa88c2562403cb576e1e7859d68 Building wheel for rcssmin (setup.py) ... error ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1: command: /usr/bin/python3 -u -c 'import sys, setuptools, tokenize; sys.argv[0] = '"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"'; __file__='"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"';f=getattr(tokenize, '"'"'open'"'"', open)(__file__);code=f.read().replace('"'"'\r\n'"'"', '"'"'\n'"'"');f.close();exec(compile(code, __file__, '"'"'exec'"'"'))' bdist_wheel -d /tmp/pip-wheel-491rzr5s --python-tag cp36 cwd: /tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/ Complete output (12 lines): running bdist_wheel running build running build_py creating build creating build/lib.linux-x86_64-3.6 copying ./rcssmin.py -> build/lib.linux-x86_64-3.6 running build_ext building '_rcssmin' extension creating build/temp.linux-x86_64-3.6 gcc -pthread -Wno-unused-result -Wsign-compare -DDYNAMIC_ANNOTATIONS_ENABLED=1 -DNDEBUG -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic -D_GNU_SOURCE -fPIC -fwrapv -fPIC -DEXT_MODULE=_rcssmin -UEXT_PACKAGE -I_setup/include -I/usr/include/python3.6m -c rcssmin.c -o build/temp.linux-x86_64-3.6/rcssmin.o unable to execute 'gcc': No such file or directory error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 ---------------------------------------- ERROR: Failed building wheel for rcssmin Running setup.py clean for rcssmin Successfully built robot-detection django-haystack Failed to build rcssmin Installing collected packages: rjsmin, django-appconf, rcssmin, django-compressor, robot-detection, django-haystack, djangorestframework, decorator, networkx, django-extensions, wcwidth, blessed, arrow, django-picklefield, django-q, hyperkitty Running setup.py install for rcssmin ... error ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1: command: /usr/bin/python3 -u -c 'import sys, setuptools, tokenize; sys.argv[0] = '"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"'; __file__='"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"';f=getattr(tokenize, '"'"'open'"'"', open)(__file__);code=f.read().replace('"'"'\r\n'"'"', '"'"'\n'"'"');f.close();exec(compile(code, __file__, '"'"'exec'"'"'))' install --record /tmp/pip-record-6g8g9aoj/install-record.txt --single-version-externally-managed --compile cwd: /tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/ Complete output (12 lines): running install running build running build_py creating build creating build/lib.linux-x86_64-3.6 copying ./rcssmin.py -> build/lib.linux-x86_64-3.6 running build_ext building '_rcssmin' extension creating build/temp.linux-x86_64-3.6 gcc -pthread -Wno-unused-result -Wsign-compare -DDYNAMIC_ANNOTATIONS_ENABLED=1 -DNDEBUG -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic -D_GNU_SOURCE -fPIC -fwrapv -fPIC -DEXT_MODULE=_rcssmin -UEXT_PACKAGE -I_setup/include -I/usr/include/python3.6m -c rcssmin.c -o build/temp.linux-x86_64-3.6/rcssmin.o unable to execute 'gcc': No such file or directory error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 ---------------------------------------- ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1: /usr/bin/python3 -u -c 'import sys, setuptools, tokenize; sys.argv[0] = '"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"'; __file__='"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"';f=getattr(tokenize, '"'"'open'"'"', open)(__file__);code=f.read().replace('"'"'\r\n'"'"', '"'"'\n'"'"');f.close();exec(compile(code, __file__, '"'"'exec'"'"'))' install --record /tmp/pip-record-6g8g9aoj/install-record.txt --single-version-externally-managed --compile Check the logs for full command output.

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bouncing mail commands
by Liebeskind Uri (luri) 23 Oct '19

23 Oct '19

Hi all, when a subscribtion confirmation is sent to MM it replies a bounce mail about unknown commands in the mail. This is very confusing for the users / subscribers and I'd like to disable this function. Actually our users do not need to send commands in the subject and in the body. So responding to words that are unknown commands is not helpful. Currently I have Postfix header and body checks in place that discard this messages from MM to avoid bothering our users. But how can MM3 be configured not to respond to unknown commands or not to parse the mail for commands at all? Thank you for your help and kind regards, Uri Liebeskind -- ------------------------------------ Zurich University of Applied Sciences Information and Communication Technology Uri Liebeskind System Administrator Gertrudstrasse 15 Postfach 805 CH-8401 Winterthur Tel. +41 58 934 72 63 Fax. +41 58 935 72 63 http://www.zhaw.ch/en/ -------------------------------------

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why owner mails rerouted to list
by Tamas HOLCZER 23 Oct '19

23 Oct '19

Hi All, we have moved to Mailman3 from Mailman2 recently, and have a quite strange problem: Every message sent to owners is forwarded to the lists instead of the owner's mail address. So for example if a non-member sends a message to MYLIST(a)MYDOMAIN.COM, then a notification appears on MYLIST (and all members receive it, the message also appears in the archive) instead of sending it to the private address of the owner set on the web interface. I found no obvious error either in mailman.log, smtp.log or the MTA's logs. This problem can cause a storm of mails as per default the owner is not allowed to send a message to a member-only list so each notifications generates a new notification. This storm is mitigated temporarily by accepting everything from the owner in a non-member setting, but it is only a workaround. I want mails sent to MYLIST-owner(a)MYDOMAIN.COM to be forwarded to the real owner instead of the list. The same is true for MYLIST-admin(a)MYDOMAIN.COM, and probably for the other administrative addresses. We are using GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) from the Debian Buster repo. As MTA we use exim4 (running on the same machine as Mailman), and have Amavisd on a separate machine for spam filtering. How can I test what happens to mails sent to the owner inside Mailman? Any help or tips on debugging this issue would be highly appreciated. Best regards, Tamas Here is an anonymized header for such a message: From MYLIST-bounces(a)MYDOMAIN.COM Mon Oct 21 21:13:59 2019 Return-path: <MYLIST-bounces(a)MYDOMAIN.COM> Envelope-to: MYADDRESS(a)MYDOMAIN.COM Delivery-date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:13:59 +0200 Received: from [SPAMFILTER] (helo=localhost) by MAILSERVER.MYDOMAIN.COM with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <MYLIST-bounces(a)MYDOMAIN.COM>) id 1iMd7u-0007pv-VR; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:13:59 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-dc Received: from MAILSERVER.MYDOMAIN.COM ([MAILSERVER-LOCAL-IP]) by localhost (spamfilter.MYDOMAIN.COM [SPAMFILTER]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id Pe6CPG7d_0VR; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:13:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from MAILSERVER2.MYDOMAIN.COM ([MAILSERVER-PUBLIC-IP] helo=MAILSERVER.MYDOMAIN.COM) by MAILSERVER.MYDOMAIN.COM with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <MYLIST-bounces(a)MYDOMAIN.COM>) id 1iMd7t-0007pn-Mu; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:13:57 +0200 Received: from MAILSERVER2.MYDOMAIN.COM ([MAILSERVER-PUBLIC-IP] helo=MAILSERVER.MYDOMAIN.COM) by MAILSERVER.MYDOMAIN.COM with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <MYLIST-bounces(a)MYDOMAIN.COM>) id 1iMd7r-0007pR-JZ for MYLIST-owner(a)MYDOMAIN.COM; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:13:55 +0200 From: MYLIST-owner(a)MYDOMAIN.COM To: MYLIST-owner(a)MYDOMAIN.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1338746665924884909==" Message-ID: <157168523467.30989.13607822853875106726(a)MAILSERVER.MYDOMAIN.COM> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:13:54 +0200 Precedence: bulk X-Mailman-Version: 3.2.1 Message-ID-Hash: UWYSMZDJO3ZXNBKY6GE6AS6FBLCZL6BG X-Message-ID-Hash: UWYSMZDJO3ZXNBKY6GE6AS6FBLCZL6BG X-MailFrom: MYLIST-bounces(a)MYDOMAIN.COM X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: nonmember-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation Subject: [MYLIST] MYLIST(a)MYDOMAIN.COM post from ... requires approval List-Id: Name of the List <MYLIST.MYDOMAIN.COM> Archived-At: <https://MYDOMAIN.COM/hyperkitty/list/MYLIST@MYDOMAIN.COM/message/UWYSMZDJO3…> List-Archive: <https://MYDOMAIN.COM/hyperkitty/list/MYLIST@MYDOMAIN.COM/> List-Help: <mailto:MYLIST-request@MYDOMAIN.COM?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:MYLIST@MYDOMAIN.COM> List-Subscribe: <mailto:MYLIST-join@MYDOMAIN.COM> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:MYLIST-leave@MYDOMAIN.COM> --===============1338746665924884909== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: MYLIST(a)MYDOMAIN.COM From: ... Subject: ... The message is being held because: The message is not from a list member At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the request. ...

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To what extent can mailman 3 handle images and html?
by Paul Arenson 23 Oct '19

23 Oct '19

Hi The other day I attempted to send a message from my mail client (Apple computer, Mail program, html--well, what they call Rich Text). While a user was able to send a message previously that contained an image, I was unsuccessful. As well, links were weird. LINKS ===== Because My wordpress often has a Japanese URL and they can become very long, I tried both the URL as is and embedded (made a clickable html link). URL === So while I typed https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/journalist-ito-shiori-sues-alleged-rapis.... It came out double as https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/journalist-ito-shiori-sues-alleged-rapis... <https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/journalist-ito-shiori-sues-alleged-rapis... (The full link was truncated with ... at the end, and the link appeared twice with the second instance preceded by "">") The embedded one did not come out embedded buy showed the text like this: Alternate link: 多摩川河川敷に男性の遺体、増水した川に流されたか <https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/%e5%a4%9a%e6%91%a9%e5%b7%9d%e6%b2%b3%e5%... QUESTION 1: Is there a preferred way to write links, or will there always be problems with the mail clients? (Even the web archive shows this problem though): https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/hyperkitty/list/discuss@list.tokyoprogres… See the top item Homeless man drowns in river during Typhoon and what I mean. IMAGE No image appears though one was added inline. And, as I said, a user was previously able to add one. I do not know how she did it. I also posted it to my web site instead of the newsletter for unrelated reasons. But there was an image (Originally got a warning the message was held because the attachment or something). So are there guidelines one whether/how to attach an image so that it makes it? Thanks

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Re: To what extent can mailman 3 handle images and html?
by tokyoprogressive＠mailbox.org 23 Oct '19

23 Oct '19

Thank you, Mark. Yes. All solved and your explanation on how THIS list handles attachments also understood. Appreciate as always. Sent from my iPhone

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LMTP on unix socket
by Hristo Venev 21 Oct '19

21 Oct '19

How do I configure mailman to use a unix socket for lmtp connections? Setting [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA lmtp_host: /path/to/socket does not work. Mailman still tries to create a TCP socket.

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Receiving 8bit-clean mail
by Alyssa Ross 20 Oct '19

20 Oct '19

A subscriber to a mailing list I administer has been sending 8bit UTF-8 encoded mail, with no further quoted-printable / base64 / etc. encoding. This is handled fine by my MTA and MUA, but Mailman seems to have trouble with it. When mail is sent out from Mailman, the « character is replaced by ??. Is this a bug, or is there just a configuration option or something I need to set? I couldn't find anything in the documentation.

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Ubuntu package?
by Mark Dadgar 18 Oct '19

18 Oct '19

Are the Ubuntu package maintainers on this list? Can you ping me directly if you are? Thanks. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:mark@pdc-racing.net> | 408-348-2878

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Re: [Mailman-i18n] Mailman 3 Internationalization setup
by Abhilash Raj 17 Oct '19

17 Oct '19

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, at 6:55 AM, Rémi Oudin wrote: > Hi! > > It seems that the projects are not public anymore. > Should we ask you to give us access for the translations? It should be, I haven't changed anything in past few days. What makes you think they aren't public? Are you not able to visit their page? Just as side note, the URL for Postorius is now changed to https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/postorius/ Everything else is same. > > Cheers, > -- > Guinness > > Attachments: > * signature.asc -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Converting discussion list to read-only list (settings)
by Paul Arenson 17 Oct '19

17 Oct '19

I have found that my users in the discussion list are creating their own topics rather than using the existing ones, so decided to make it a read-only list and use WordPress moderated comments. Since I do not have the original settings for READ ONLY (this is a hosted version), I want to make sure that these are correct. Can someone comment. Thanks MOST IMPORTANT—> What setting makes it a discussion list as opposed to read only? ALTER MESSAGES ----------------------- Filter content Now YES Collapse Alternatives Now yes Convert html to plain text Now NO Anonymous NOW YES Include RFC2369 headers Now Yes Include the list post header Now Yes Reply Goes to List Now No munging Pipeline Default DMARC MITIFGATIONS ----------------------- Replace From with list address DMARC mitigate unconditionally Now NO MESSAGE ACCEPTANCE ----------------------- Require Explicit Destination Yes Administrivia YES Default action to take when a member posts to the list Hold for moderation Default action to take when a member posts to the list Hold for moderation OTHER? ------------- Thanks Paul Arenson

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max_delivery_threads
by Sven Buesing 16 Oct '19

16 Oct '19

Hi, we are currently running mailman version 3.3.0. We want to enable max_delivery_threads - we want to send personalized mails (To: ), and we hope that threading would speed things up - but it seems this option has no functionality despite being documented in the schema.cfg. Threading is compiled into python: >>> import sysconfig >>> print(sysconfig.get_config_vars('WITH_THREAD')) [1] Am I doing anything wrong or is the documentation simply wrong? This ist the mta-section of the mailman.cfg. [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver max_delivery_threads: 20 max_recipients: 500 lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: 127.0.0.1 smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix Regards, Sven

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Tune Mail Delivery
by Brian Carpenter 14 Oct '19

14 Oct '19

Some ISPs require outgoing delivery to not exceed a certain threshold. With Mailman 2, we used the following: SMTP_MAX_RCPTS SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION Does Mailman 3 have an equivalent to the above 2 settings? Thank, Brian

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Help with fresh debian install
by Mark Dadgar 11 Oct '19

11 Oct '19

Mailman3-Users, First-time poster, long-time Mailman user (since August of 2002!). I brought up a fresh install of Mailman3 via the current Debian package alongside my current 2.1 setup (installed and updated from source since 2002) on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Importing lists from 2.1 has been a real problem. I am trying to import a list with no archives to keep it simple while I prove out the process. If I run the mailman import21 comment as my user, I get the following errors: — mark@mail:/tmp$ mailman import21 announce(a)pdc-racing.net ./announce-config.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.1.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 94, in main initialize(config_path) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 189, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 152, in initialize_2 mailman.core.logging.initialize(propagate_logs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 157, in initialize _init_logger(propagate, sub_name, log, logger_config) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 110, in _init_logger handler = ReopenableFileHandler(sub_name, path_abs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 50, in __init__ self._stream = self._open() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 53, in _open return codecs.open(self.filename, 'a', 'utf-8') File "/usr/lib/python3.6/codecs.py", line 897, in open file = builtins.open(filename, mode, buffering) PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman3/mailman.log' Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/logging/__init__.py", line 1945, in shutdown h.flush() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 56, in flush if self._stream: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream' — If I run it as root, it runs for a long time but spews a HUGE stream of these errors to /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log: — Oct 03 17:08:48 2019 (19118) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1570147727.3029191+80f1cc4d18f54868ad6162e8e41e52567185e983 Oct 03 17:08:49 2019 (19118) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147728.618866+174175d39c301feab4ebb2aac0a51226334fa54c.pck' Oct 03 17:08:49 2019 (19118) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 156, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147728.618866+174175d39c301feab4ebb2aac0a51226334fa54c.pck' Oct 03 17:08:49 2019 (19118) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1570147728.618866+174175d39c301feab4ebb2aac0a51226334fa54c Oct 03 17:08:50 2019 (19118) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147729.8732843+1cd24522f62dbd73c759a0f9a749a2ed63c91668.pck' Oct 03 17:08:50 2019 (19118) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 156, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147729.8732843+1cd24522f62dbd73c759a0f9a749a2ed63c91668.pck' Oct 03 17:08:50 2019 (19118) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1570147729.8732843+1cd24522f62dbd73c759a0f9a749a2ed63c91668 Oct 03 17:08:51 2019 (19118) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147731.1456919+4354e647280c69f4dbfbd5a158b682fe3ed6cbcf.pck' Oct 03 17:08:51 2019 (19118) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 156, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147731.1456919+4354e647280c69f4dbfbd5a158b682fe3ed6cbcf.pck' Oct 03 17:08:51 2019 (19118) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1570147731.1456919+4354e647280c69f4dbfbd5a158b682fe3ed6cbcf Oct 03 17:08:53 2019 (19118) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147732.4526153+f423b0ba2693b41ffc3f829da2290639634c349d.pck' Oct 03 17:08:53 2019 (19118) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 156, in _one_iteration msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147732.4526153+f423b0ba2693b41ffc3f829da2290639634c349d.pck' Oct 03 17:08:53 2019 (19118) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1570147732.4526153+f423b0ba2693b41ffc3f829da2290639634c349d — It also dumps some mail footer templates into the template directory that are owned by root, which seems … incorrect? Any thoughts on what’s going wrong here? Many thanks in advance! Really looking forward to having modern archives! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

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Show diplay_name in a list
by ruben＠bkonrad.de 10 Oct '19

10 Oct '19

Hello, I'm trying to figure out how to show the display_name of a member in postorius in Members > Subscriber. I was trying to add {{ member.diplay_name }} in the template ${postorius}/templates/postorius/lists/members.html Here an abstract of where I inserted the code: [...] {% for member in members %} <tr> {% if role == 'subscriber' %} <td> <label class="checkbox-inline"> <input type="checkbox" class="member-checkbox" name="choices" id="id_choices_{{ forloop.counter0 }}" value="{{ member.email }}" /> {{ member.display_name }} <{{ member.email }}> </label> [...] I could not figure out why it wouldn't work. I'm running mailman3 Version 3.1.1-9 on an Ubuntu 18.04. Any idea what I was missing there? Thanks in advance for any help. - Ruben

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Personalization issue when no To header?
by Alan So 08 Oct '19

08 Oct '19

We have ported a number of lists from mailman 2 to mailman 3 earlier. We cannot find any personalization setting in the mailman 3 web UI or using the mailman client. It is fine as it is not essential. However, recently we notice an issue. As the lists in the mailman 2 probably have personalization turned on, it looks like that the setting are also migrated by using "mailman import21". Recently, some users start sending mail simply with Bcc without any addresses in the To header. We notice the following error: Oct 08 11:26:03 2019 (1832) Uncaught runner exception: 'to' Oct 08 11:26:03 2019 (1832) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 93, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 86, in deliver refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 163, in deliver callback(mlist, message_copy, msgdata_copy) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/mta/personalized.py", line 58, in personalize_to msg.replace_header('To', formataddr((name, recipient))) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/email/message.py", line 558, in replace_header raise KeyError(_name) KeyError: 'to' After tracing the source codes above, we suspect that the issue was caused by no To header due to personalization is turned on. Any quick suggestion of workarounds such as how to turn off personalization for all lists? We do not have much experiences with mailman shell. Thanks a lot.

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Mailman 3 Internationalization setup
by Abhilash Raj 07 Oct '19

07 Oct '19

Hi All, Mailman 3 is now setup for continuous internationalization. We are using Hosted Weblate[1], which is the hosted service for the Weblate project[2]. It is actually quite nice and I've been learning how to properly document a Django project from it's documentation. Which brings me to it's documentation. Weblate has great documentation for translators[2]. The UI pretty simple and should be easy to navigate around. We have setup the workflow in a way that each commit in Gitlab generates a webhook and updates Weblate. Weblate is then able to pull all the changes in real time. To pull translations back into Gitlab, I have a custom script running every night that pulls translations (as commits) and generates pull requests against the upstream repos. Weblate has the ability to automatically push the translations back, but for security reasons, I didn't want to give a 3rd party service direct push access to our repos. I've been working on a Patch to Weblate[3], which would allow it to send translations as Merge Requests (as compared to direct-push). After it is merged and deployed at hosted.weblate.org, I hope I can retire my custom script. We have setup the following projects: - Mailman Core (https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/mailman/) - Postorius* (https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/translations/) - Hyperkitty (https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/hyperkitty/) - Django-mailman3 (https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/django-mailman3/) There should be empty .po files generated for most languages supported by Django and Mailman Core. If there are any questions or bugs related to source strings, please send out an email to mailman-developers(a)python.org. The current translation %age is pretty low, hopefully we'll be ale to get it close to Mailman 2 sometime soon :) [1]: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/ [2]: https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/user/translating.html [3]: https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/pull/3024 [*] Yeah, the URL for Postorius is a bit weird, because it was called "translations" before. At the time, I didn't know the difference between a project and a translation component in Weblate terminologies. And they don't give out permissions to change the URL, so we're maybe stuck with it. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Mailman 3 installation documentation
by Abhilash Raj 07 Oct '19

07 Oct '19

Hi All, I have been trying to work on revamping the documentation site we have at https://docs.mailman3.org. It is on https:// but I am not sure why the http->https redirect doesn't work in Readthedocs. I have set it to "serve always from https". Anyway, it might not look too different right now, but there are some small re-organizations. I have been learning some new ReST and Sphinx tricks and been trying to cross-reference and link various sections and settings. The docs site shows up Mailman's logo now (I didn't even know we could do that ;-). There is a place[1] for all supported Django settings that Postorius and Hyperkitty have. I am also planning to add some common Django settings that often people have to lookup and is not fun for people from non-python backgrounds. Hopefully, it will make lives easier for administrators. I have reverted my own stupid decision to use "sudo pip3 install" in the docs to instead use virtualenv. The installation docs are going to grow to be more comprehensive. I am also working on mailman-web project[3], which should simply installation process for all the web components using a single project and provide better guidance on Django's settings file management and howto run manage.py commands. I have added a `mailman-web` command, which, for those of you familiar with internal details of Django, is going to be our custom manage.py script. It sets up settings correctly and would hopefully reduce the pain of using `django-admin` and/or finding out the right path for `manage.py` script. It is still not ready for prime time, but it is usable. Early adopters can play with it if they like! I would really appreciate if people who have tried to manually install Mailman 3 in the past would share their experiences about what they think could be documented better. You can reply here or open an issue[2]. The user documentation are going to follow, hopefully soon :) [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#configure-postorius-hyp… [2]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/issues [3]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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confirm mail rejected
by Marc Sluiter 29 Sep '19

29 Sep '19

Hi, im trying to setup mailman and have an issue: first my environment: - I’m running postfix etc with "mailcow-dockerized": https://mailcow.github.io/mailcow-dockerized-docs/ - I’m running mailman with "docker-mailman": https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ I got almost everything working (with some configuration modifications, see other mail). The only thing which doesn’t work is conformation mails, they are rejected: In the logs I see that postfix is trying both "liste-confirm+extension@domain" and "liste-confirm@domain" for another lookup map of type mysql (so "recipient_delimiter" is working), but not for the mailman map of type regexp. Just a wild guess, I didn't find anything about it: can it be that “recipient_delimiter" doesn't work for “regexp" maps? For now I worked around this issue by manually modifying the confirm regex in "postfix_lmtp” to /^liste-confirm\+.*(a)domain\.tld$/ Does anyone have an idea why the regexp map isn’t working for me and at least 1 other user (see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/401)? Would my workaround be a long term solution which could be implemented in mailman? That would mean that mailman could work independent of the “recipient_delimiter” setting (or do I oversee something?) Thanks and greetings, Marc

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Cannot show archives
by Qiuhong.Su �K秋�t 27 Sep '19

27 Sep '19

Hi all, After I setup mailman3 and run mailman-suite, I can do: 1. Register user 2. Login 3. Create new Domain 4. Create new List 5. Subscribe to the list When I try to send email to the list by run command: echo ��test email�� | mail �Cs ��test email�� test(a)example.com<mailto:test@example.com> User test can receive this email, but I cannot find it on Archives, and other members cannot receive this email too. Can anyone help me? Thank you! Regards, Qiuhong ************************************************************************* This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. [Delta Electronics, INC. China] *************************************************************************

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Linking to a forum thread from a (news) website.
by Paul Arenson 25 Sep '19

25 Sep '19

I have been struggling to get this right and I think I have finally done it. I have a website with many opinion and news articles. I have linked from the article to a pre-written thread, such as from here: EXAMPLE WEBSITE ARTICLE https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/remembering-the-tsushima-maru-disaster-75-… to EXAMPLE THREAD ON LIST Title: Remembering the Tsushima Maru Disaster 75 Years Later https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/hyperkitty/list/discuss@list.tokyoprogres… PROBLEM The problem is that this does not show the subsequent comment that was added. And SHOW REPLIES BY DATE does not do it either. SOLUTION I figured out that all replies are listed under Re:, so if the first comment does not have the Re:, then it gets cut off. So if I click https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/hyperkitty/list/discuss@list.tokyoprogres… you will see all the subsequent posts. Since I want to post a link BEFORE anyone starts replying, I have to make my first post in the thread titled Re: EXAMPLE OF NEW POSTING STYLE Make sure the thread has a Re: in it. (Actually I made a mistake and wrote Re; and it still worked.) https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/hyperkitty/list/discuss@list.tokyoprogres… Or: https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/hyperkitty/list/discuss@list.tokyoprogres… ----------------- QUESTION Am I correct that if I want to create a thread and link to it, but make sure the first note is included, I need to make the thread title: Re: Something? -----------------

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Manual setup - permissions
by Tobias Hachmer 25 Sep '19

25 Sep '19

Hello, I'm new to mailman3 and started to setup an instance from scratch per hand, but I'm struggeling running the peaces with the correct user/permissions. I can't find anything regarding running this and that with that user in the docs, so I have the following: virtualenv_dir: /opt/venvs/mailman3 Installed packages in venv: - "Django>=1.11" - "django-haystack" - "libsass" - "mailman==3.3.0" - "mailmanclient" - "mailman-hyperkitty==1.1.0" - "postorius==1.3.0" - "hyperkitty==1.3.0" - "whoosh" - "uwsgi" I have installed the core stuff in /opt/mailman3/core, all is owned by user+group "mailman3": root@host:/opt/mailman3# tree . ├── core │ ├── etc │ │ ├── hyperkitty.cfg │ │ ├── mailman.cfg │ │ └── uwsgi.ini │ ├── log │ │ ├── bounce.log │ │ ├── debug.log │ │ ├── mailman.log │ │ ├── plugins.log │ │ └── smtp.log │ └── var │ ├── archives │ │ └── hyperkitty │ │ └── spool │ │ ├── ... │ ├── cache │ ├── data │ │ ├── mailman.db │ │ ├── postfix_domains │ │ ├── postfix_domains.db │ │ ├── postfix_lmtp │ │ └── postfix_lmtp.db │ ├── lists │ │ └── admin.lists.... │ ├── locks │ ├── master.lck │ ├── master.lck|...|...|... │ ├── master.pid │ ├── message" │ │ ├── ... │ ├── queue │ │ ├── archive │ │ ├── bad │ │ ├── bounces │ │ ├── command │ │ ├── digest │ │ ├── in │ │ ├── nntp │ │ ├── out │ │ ├── pipeline │ │ ├── retry │ │ ├── shunt │ │ └── virgin │ └── templates The django project is installed in /opt/mailman3/web, all is owned by user+group "nginx": └── web └── project ├── db │ └── mailmansuite.db ├── emails ├── fulltext_index │ └── _MAIN_0.toc ├── logs │ ├── mailmansuite.log │ ├── uwsgi-error.log │ └── uwsgi.log ├── manage.py ├── __pycache__ │ ├── settings.cpython-35.pyc │ └── urls.cpython-35.pyc ├── run │ └── uwsgi.sock ├── settings.py ├── static ├── urls.py └── wsgi.py The mailman3 core ist running with user+group "mailman3". And the uwsgi service is running as root with drops privileges to user+group "nginx". Now, running the scheduled tasks (which run from user+group "nginx") for django I ran into permission problems, because the nginx user can't access/write to the needed files in /opt/mailman3/core/... If anyone of you is able to read ansible tasks, this is how I set this up via ansible: https://github.com/freifunk-mwu/ansible-ffmwu/blob/mail/roles/service-bundl… I would appreciate any hints how to run the different peaces of mailman3 with the correct user/groups/permissions. Thanks in advance, Tobias

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Re: Issues with migrating from Mailman2 to Mailman 3
by Mark Sapiro 24 Sep '19

24 Sep '19

On 9/23/19 12:03 AM, Paul Arenson wrote: > Thank you Mark. > > I found my solution. Simplifies things. People do not have to even > think about subscribing….. <snip> > How does that sound? OK -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Issues with migrating from Mailman2 to Mailman 3
by Uwe Grasshoff 23 Sep '19

23 Sep '19

Hello all, I'm currently trying to convert a Debian based mailman2 installation to a docker based mailman3 installation. I successfully running the mailman-web and mailman-core containers together with the database container but I'm struggling with the import of the old mailing lists. In the core container I'm running this two commands for every mailing list: mailman create mailman(a)example.com mailman import21 mailman(a)example.com /oldmailman/lists/mailman/config.pck Then I'm switching over to the mailman-web container and running this two commands: python3.6 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l mailman(a)example.com /oldmailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox python3.6 manage.py update_index_one_list mailman(a)example.com I'm getting no errors or something else which could indicate a problem. After that I'm looking into the web interface http://example.com/postorius/lists/ There I can only see the public mailing list and the private ones are not shown there (as expected). When I then try to login with the List Manager credentials of the lists (from mailman2) I can't login in. So I thought maybe I have to "register" myself again to than get access to the list management. So I tried that but when I filled out the form and click "Register" I'm presented with an error page which titles "Serverfehler" (Server error in german) and the message "An error occurred while processing your request." When I then go back a step and try to register again I got the error message that the username is already taken. When I then try to login I can't login I always get the "An error occurred while processing your request." page. Does anyone have an idea what point I'm missing? -- With best Regards Uwe Grasshoff

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