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Should I try to install mailman3 on Kubuntu 20.04?
by Bill Oliver 05 Oct '24

05 Oct '24

I have been a happy camper running mailman3 on a vps I rent from a vendor, running CentOS 7. CentOS 7 is past end of life, so I moving over to a new machine running Kubuntu 20.04 LTS. I have been searching the intertubes and have seen a bunch of people having headaches trying it. So... Is Ubuntu 20.04 cool with mailman3? Should I go ahead and give it a shot or use a different distro? Should I do the apt install, the virtualenv install, or try the docker install? thanks billo

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reset bounce-scores?
by IEM Network Operation Center (IOhannes m zmölnig) 04 Oct '24

04 Oct '24

i'm running a mailman-3.3.8 instance, and would like to reset the bounce-score for a (number of) user(s). i searched the internet and this list's archives, but haven't found anything useful so far. due to a misconfiguration of our universities reverse DNS lookup, the bounce score of some users has rocketed in the last days - some users have already been unsubscribed because of that. could anybody please share how i can reset the bounce score? gfmasdr IOhannes ___________________________________________ Die Inhaltsfilterung von Mailman hat die folgenden MIME-Teile aus dieser Nachricht entfernt. Content-Type: application/pgp-keys Name: OpenPGP_0xB65019C47F7A36F8.asc

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makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade
by Chupin Maxime 03 Oct '24

03 Oct '24

Hi, I upgraded my debian version, and since, it seems that I have a problem. I tried `mailman-web migrate` (and `mailman-web collectstatic` etc.) and I get the error message: ``` CommandError: Conflicting migrations detected; multiple leaf nodes in the migration graph: (0010_auto_20220618_2315, 0014_schedule_cluster in django_q; 0014_auto_20220618_2315, 0018_alter_emailtemplate_language in postorius). To fix them run 'python manage.py makemigrations --merge' ``` So I tried `mailman-web makemigrations --merge` that ended with ``` PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/migrations/0019_merge_20240930_1159.py' ``` There is no such a file in the migration directory. Any idea ? Thanks in advance, All the best Maxime Chupin

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Confusing order of checkboxes in Postorius
by Markus Grandpré 02 Oct '24

02 Oct '24

Dear list, dear Mailman3 developers, dear Mark Sapiro, in Postorius under "Mass operations / Mass subscribe" we find the order of the checkboxes confusing: 1. Pre confirm 2. Pre approved 3. Pre Verified 4. Invitation We think it would be easier for us and our mailing list administrators to understand the interaction of these settings if they were displayed in the following order: 1. Pre confirm 2. Pre Verified 3. Pre approved 4. Invitation as in our opinion "Pre confirm" and "Pre Verified" belong together more than "Pre confirm" and "Pre approved". Incidentally, a typing error has crept into the term "Pre Verified". It should read "Pre verified". Yours sincerely, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Mailman Core release
by Abhilash Raj 02 Oct '24

02 Oct '24

Hey Everyone! I am pleased to announce new release of Mailman Core 3.3.10. This includes both bug fixes and new features. A full list of changes can be found at the usual location[1]. This release includes a Breaking change and nntp runner no longer starts automatically in the default release. You can easily enable the runner by updating your `mailman.cfg`. See the release notes[1] for details on how. This release can be downloaded from PyPI[2] or using `pip install mailman==3.3.10`. For those interested in package signatures, both the source tarball and built wheel are available in Gitlab releases[3] along with their signatures. [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [2]: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/ [3]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/releases/v3.3.10 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Default values for lists in Mailman 3
by Markus Grandpré 30 Sep '24

30 Sep '24

Dear list, I would like to activate the invitation setting for all lists as default. In Mailman 2.1 I have done this in the file </etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py>: DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes How can I do this in Mailman 3? Can I also transfer other default values like: ... DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2 DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 ... from the very same configuration file to Mailman 3? Is there a documentation of the default values for lists in Mailman 3? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Clearing webserver cache - Nginx
by Odhiambo Washington 29 Sep '24

29 Sep '24

I am having an ugly-looking https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/ page because of cached content: ``` 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 694#694: *9562 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.6dab123e4897.css" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 172.70.111.39, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/css/output.6dab123e4897.css HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 694#694: *9564 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.158acc288604.css" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 162.158.159.31, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/css/output.158acc288604.css HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" 2024/08/05 17:00:31 [error] 705#705: *9566 open() "/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/js/output.3aaa7705d68a.js" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 162.158.63.166, server: mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke, request: "GET /static/CACHE/js/output.3aaa7705d68a.js HTTP/2.0", host: " mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke", referrer: " https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/" ``` That IP address appearing there is not my actual IP, but Cloudflare's, which is acting as proxy for the site. Having cleared MM3-web cache, is there anything else I can easily do (apart from disabling CF proxying) to help deal with the above issue? Or am I barking the wrong tree? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Migrating archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3
by Markus Grandpré 28 Sep '24

28 Sep '24

Dear List, I have a question about migrating archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3: Is it possible to migrate only the archive of a list, but not the list? Best regards, Markus -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Help Setting Up Mailman 3 on an Ubuntu Server
by smith.ja1ck＠gmail.com 26 Sep '24

26 Sep '24

Hello All Community Member, I am in the process of setting up Mailman 3 on an Ubuntu 22.04 server & have faced some challenges during the configuration phase. Also I have followed the installation guide & while Mailman Core and Postorius seem to be working I am struggling to configure the Mailman web interface correctly with NGINX. Also I have tried a few different configurations for the reverse proxy but I m running into 502 Bad Gateway errors. Does anyone have experience setting up Mailman 3 with NGINX who might be able to offer some guidance? ?I am interested in seeing a working configuration file for NGINX and any tips on troubleshooting Mailman 3 issues during this phase. As well, I found these resources when doing research on this; https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… https://redacted If anyone have any resources, tutorials or personal experiences please share with me, It would be greatly appreciated!!

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Managing users in postorius
by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis 25 Sep '24

25 Sep '24

In our environment, people have multiple email addresses, any/all of which might be used as members or admin addresses. I try to steer people in the right direction, but inevitably, we end up with people registering the ‘wrong’ address or even both addresses. I don’t seem to have very much control with the site admin account. I’d like the ability to add a secondary address for a user instead of talking them through the process of doing it themselves. Is there a way that I’m not aware of? Additionally, when I look up users and choose ‘manage’, it only lists a person’s member roles. It doesn’t list any other roles (owner/admin, moderator, etc). Any way to fix that? I’m also curious what the process would be for merging two postorius accounts into one? My thought process was that I should remove one and then have the user add that email address to the other account. But, if you delete the account, it will unsubscribe the user. Thank you Tom Lieuallen Oregon State University

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Mailman3 migration and/or archiving problem
by hnpilot＠phnet.fi 25 Sep '24

25 Sep '24

I have installed a mailman3 server following this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… After a few hiccups I got mailman and postorius working and migrated one list according to this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html It seemed to work and also hyperkitty_import was run without errors (or at least none shown up). Running update_index command said that there were 0 threads copied but I kjnow that the archive isn't empty. But now when I tried to open the list info page from lists view it dies with 500 error. After diving into the different log files I found an error message that it cannot find /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg. Great. Only that the cfg file exists and seems to my (unexpert) eyes correct. After that problem I tried to create a new list. Creation seemed to go all right but also with it, trying to open the list info page it shows 500 error. When googling for a solution I landed on a message stating that there might be double entries for the same list in listarchiver table but when I checked ot turns out that the table is empty! I am a bit confused how to figure out the base cause of the problem and would very much appreciate any pointers. wbr hank

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Can we let member moderation settings be considered after the header filters let the message through?
by Marco van Tol 24 Sep '24

24 Sep '24

Hi there, We're trying to set up a list with a header filter to discard spam messages. The spam messages are tagged with a specific header before getting handed over to mailman3. Messages from non-members are correctly discarded by the header filter before hitting the moderation queue. But messages from members get moderated before getting discarded by the header filters. For this particular list we also moderate the members of the list. The default action for members is set to "hold for moderation". We would like to also discard spam messages from members before they become moderated. The X-Mailman-Rule-* headers on spam messages from members in the moderation queue look like this: ---- X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: member-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address ---- Is there any way we can discard spam messages from members before they become moderated? Thanks so much in advance! Marco van Tol RIPE NCC

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Feedback mailman 3.3.10b1
by Andreas Schneider 24 Sep '24

24 Sep '24

Hi, I've packaged 3.3.10b1 for openSUSE [1] and installed it on my server. It works fine for me, I don't see any issues. Best regards Andreas [1] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:gladiac:mailman/python-mailman -- Andreas Schneider asn(a)cryptomilk.org GPG-ID: 8DFF53E18F2ABC8D8F3C92237EE0FC4DCC014E3D

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Read mailing list config via CLI
by Andy Matthews 24 Sep '24

24 Sep '24

I'm working on a feature to allow configuration of mailing lists using the REST API. The docs show how to do this: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… But I'd like to be able to verify settings using the mailman command or Python shell; and surprisingly I can't find where in the docs it shows how you can read settings on a per-list basis. I'm fine with either option, but I've spent about an hour digging through source code and docs and I'm not finding it. Would someonebe so kind as to point out how I can inspect configuration on a list by list basis? TIA.

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New Mailman web package releases
by Abhilash Raj 21 Sep '24

21 Sep '24

Hello Everyone, I have just released Postorius 1.3.13 and Hyperkitty 1.3.12. These can be downloaded from PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/HyperKitty/1.3.12/ https://pypi.org/project/postorius/1.3.13 Note that due to some mistakes on my part, last 2 releases for Postorius & Hyperkitty were yanked since their builds uploaded to PyPI weren't correct due to some mis-configurations migrating from setuptools to pyproject.toml (with pdm) based package configuration. So, when updating from last installed versions, please look at the changelogs from older versions too for both these packages. Their changelogs are available in the usual places: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html Since PyPI doesn't accept signatures anymore, I have uploaded packages and their signatures to Gitlab releases in their respective repositories too. A note for people using my signature for verification: I had to extend my gpg key's validity, so you'll need to refresh my public keys to validate the signature this time. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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MM3 Bounces status
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook 21 Sep '24

21 Sep '24

Hi, I have some lists which are used primarily as a distribution method (rather than chat) and the person who uses these lists doesn't have access to the detailed MM logs and is not interested in that. It would be very helpful for message bounces (& any other anomalous events, if any) were to be available to that person for each message that is sent out, in a manner similar to mailgun et al. I know something of the bounce processing MM3 does, but it seems to be totally hidden from e.g. the postorius end of things (unless I'm missing something?). Is there a way for bounce events to be emailed to the list owner, or for something to be available in postorius to show this info? If not in the standard package, do other people have ad-hoc solutions to this issue? My ideal option would be for a configurable per-message email or postorius link that reports the number of emails to send (=number in mlist), the number on 'no-mail', the number sent successfully (=no bounce?), the emails of those who bounced (with bounce score), and emails of blocked sends (eg by multiple bounces). So for example: Bounce report for listname: Email Subject: Announcement Sent: today at time From Email: user(a)example.com received (today at time) To List: listname(a)example.com with 100 subscribers; 89 successful; 4 bounces; 3 blocks; 4 nomail; Bounces: - foo(a)bar.example.com (no mailbox) - bar23(a)foo.example.com (timeout) - alice(a)baz.example.org (mailbox full) - bob(a)example.net (bounce-reason) Blocked: - foo(a)bob.example.com (score 3) - bar23(a)alice.example.com (admin ban) - alice(a)alice.example.org (score 2) I suspect that my ideal option would require changes to the internal processing, because MM would need to keep more information about bounces than I think it currently does. It might also need to retain more information about LMTP delivery statuses? Thanks in hope? Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog:http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn:http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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CSV import for mass subscription
by Markus Grandpré 20 Sep '24

20 Sep '24

Dear list, we noticed that there is a function to convert the member list into a CSV format and save it.Therefore, we would like to know if the implementation of a CVS import for mass subscription is already planned? If not, how can we submit a corresponding feature request? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Questions regarding message acceptance
by Pawel Grzywaczewski 19 Sep '24

19 Sep '24

Hello, I have few questions regarding usage of Mailman3: 1) We have list1 and list2 with members. Can we specify that all members of list1 can post messages to list2? We could potentially write a script that would synchronize members of another list to “Accept these non-members” of another list, but with thousands of lists it will be difficult to maintain lists in synchro. So perhaps there is a concept of adding another list to “Accept these non-members” and mailman real-time evaluate membership of another list upon message arrival? 2) In explanation of “Accept these non-members” it’s written: “While non-regexp addresses can be entered here, it is preferred to add the address as a nonmember and set the nonmember's Moderation to Default Processing”. I noticed that if someone posts to a list then he is added automatically to non-members. Which means that next time he will be able to post. My understanding is that it’s better to use the feature “Accept these non-members”. Am I correct? Thank you, Paweł

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Configure new list via REST API - trying to add moderators
by Andy Matthews 19 Sep '24

19 Sep '24

I'm stepping into some existing code which creates a new list via the REST API. I know this works because I can shell into the mailman3 box and run `mailman lists` and it shows the newly created list. We're also submitting list config options via the `/lists/<list id>/config` endpoint, but there's a specific key that we have in our config map that doesn't appear in the REST API docs and I'm wondering about it. We have an array of strings called `moderator` that appears to send successfully. But looking at the docs for "Mailing list configuration" (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) I don't see anything named `moderator` The "Managing owners and moderators" docs (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…) indicate that we can perform add owners and moderators via a Python shell, but don't indicate that it's possible to do it via REST. Is this true?

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Phantom Email Address in Nonmember List
by Steve Brown 18 Sep '24

18 Sep '24

Have an issue that is more of a puzzle than a problem. No real harm done. So don't spend much time on it if you don't recognize the issue. I am administrator for a small list, radg(a)lists.radg.us, hosted by Mailmanlists.net. They are trying hard to figure it out but so far unsuccessful. Looking at the headers of emails sent from steve(a)stevebrown.us to the list and boomeranged back to me, I see a line “X-MailFrom: bounce+66273f.99dcd9c-radg=lists.radg.us(a)stevebrown.xn--us-02t. I gather that it is designating the return path where a message would be sent if there was a delivery problem. From its position in the header, I suspect it is added as they pass through Mailgun, maybe related to DKIM. I am hoping you might know why that bounce address is recognized by Mailman 3 as a real address for my emails, but not for others, even from my wife’s computer traversing the same path from our home to the Mailman 3 server. The Mailman installation does get and process the post, but also puts the “bounce+,,,” address in its list of nonmembers. Mailmanlists.net hasn’t figured out the behavior. I can provide full header information if that would help. My understanding of how headers work is very limited. Steve Brown

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mailman import21 passwords
by Sam Darwin 17 Sep '24

17 Sep '24

Hi, On https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq-migration.html it says "Mailman 3 has a completely new account management system, none of the passwords from Mailman 2 will work with Mailman 3. Each user needs to sign up in Postorius for a new account to manage their memberships on all lists on a single instance." "Each user needs to sign up in Postorius for a new account" I am (personally) satisfied with this answer. However others at the company are asking for a detailed explanation. Consider that - - Mailman2 has access to password information. - Import scripts such as "import21" are able to import list information. - It seems that scripts such as "import21" could also generate new user accounts and passwords based on the previous ones. Why can't passwords be imported from mailman2 to mailman3? How difficult would it be to do? (is there a link to where this is already explained? ) Thanks

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Required permissions for mass operations
by mailman3＠werner.by 15 Sep '24

15 Sep '24

Hi, I've Mailman 3.3.3 running with some mailing lists and it works great. Now I'm looking for a configuration option. I'd like to have some users with permission to - moderate lists AND - perform mass operations (add members, delete members) AND - change settings for single members (execute actions in menu point "Users", "Members") It should be impossible to change other list or mailman settings for this users. To give them the moderation permission is quite easy: I add the users to the moderators of the lists. But for the user management I've to add the users to the list owners and then is there no restriction anymore to change the full list configuration. What can I do? I link to a documentation for this would help as well, but I found nothing. Thanks a lot for an answer Torsten

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Problem getting Mailman3 to work with Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS
by sebensteg＠cod.edu 13 Sep '24

13 Sep '24

Hello everyone, We have been using Mailman3 for over a year and half. We upgraded from Ubuntu 22.04.5, where it was working fine, to Ubuntu 22.04.1. Since then, mailman3 won’t work. When we tried to start it immediately after the upgrade, we got this error: 024-09-12T23:08:04.322353+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... 2024-09-12T23:08:04.935569+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: type psycopg2.extensions.ReplicationConnection has the Py_TPFLAGS_HAVE_GC flag but has no traverse function 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942784+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942869+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: Traceback (most recent call last): 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942938+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: sys.exit(main()) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943123+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943188+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943242+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943284+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943325+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943449+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943508+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943553+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943594+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943753+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943799+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943867+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943911+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943952+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944043+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944085+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.process_value(ctx, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944127+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944182+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944293+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944335+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944376+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize(value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944419+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 229, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944460+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944518+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 187, in initialize_2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944561+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944603+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944708+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 57, in create 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944769+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: database.initialize() 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944856+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/base.py", line 117, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944899+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.engine = create_engine( 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944941+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944982+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "<string>", line 2, in create_engine 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945025+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/deprecations.py", line 281, in warned 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945070+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return fn(*args, **kwargs) # type: ignore[no-any-return] 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945112+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945165+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/create.py", line 599, in create_engine 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945208+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: dbapi = dbapi_meth(**dbapi_args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945291+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py", line 690, in import_dbapi 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945332+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: import psycopg2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945374+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 51, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945425+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945478+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception 2024-09-12T23:08:05.071429+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE 2024-09-12T23:08:05.071768+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. 2024-09-12T23:08:05.072429+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. So, ultimately, what we decided to do was reinstall it. But the compilation fails when it tries to make a venv (virtual environment) with this error: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.322353+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... 2024-09-12T23:08:04.935569+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: type psycopg2.extensions.ReplicationConnection has the Py_TPFLAGS_HAVE_GC flag but has no traverse function 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942784+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942869+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: Traceback (most recent call last): 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942938+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: sys.exit(main()) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943123+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943188+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943242+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943284+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943325+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943449+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943508+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943553+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943594+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943753+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943799+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943867+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943911+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943952+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944043+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944085+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.process_value(ctx, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944127+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944182+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944293+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944335+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944376+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize(value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944419+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 229, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944460+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944518+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 187, in initialize_2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944561+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() But yet, we have this installed: venv mailman@weather1:~$ pip install psycopg2-binary Requirement already satisfied: psycopg2-binary in ./venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages (2.8.6) Any advice on how to get this working again would be GREATLY appreciated! Gilbert Sebenste Meteorology Support Analyst College of DuPage

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Disabled by bounce
by Allan Hansen 11 Sep '24

11 Sep '24

Hi all, Apparently Google just started to get very aggressive about DKIM settings. Some hundreds of my subscribers have had their subscriptions disabled because of Google's bounces. I tried to 'Enable' some of them, expecting that their bounce scores would be reset, but when I list the users, the bounce scores are still 5. Please advise. Will enabling them without the bounce score being reset just cause the server to disable them again. Yours, Allan

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Trying to understand the mailman.cfg from the virtualenv installation guide
by unite42＠disroot.org 11 Sep '24

11 Sep '24

Hello, I'm trying to install Mailman3 following the Virtualenv Installation guide. I would like to understand why the configurations in the displayed mailman.cfg are recommended. Especially the following two: [archiver.prototype] enable: yes "The prototype archiver stores messages individually in var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/." https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Do I need this, when using hyperkitty? Is this a fail-safe recommendation? [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 What is the background of these recommendations? Thank you for your help! Greetings unite42

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Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
by eyoelz＠gmail.com 11 Sep '24

11 Sep '24

Hi, I set up mailman3 following the instruction on the mailman3 website. Everything went well until I got to the “Hooking up your mail server” at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… . I followed the instructions, but when I try to send an email to one of the lists I created, I get the error below. I have postfix installed on the same server as mailman3. I was wondering if I missed something during the mail server set up process. Relevant parts of my config files are below. Error: Aug 19 15:06:10 xxx-rocky9 postfix/smtpd[153746]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from xxxx.xxxxxx-xx.iphmx.com[xx.x.xx.xxx]: 550 5.1.1 <devops(a)xxx.xxx.edu>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<xxx(a)xxxx.edu> to=<xxx(a)xx.xx.edu> proto=ESMTP helo=<xx.xx-xx.iphmx.com> mailman.cfg [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: localhost lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no mailman/config/postfix.cfg [postfix] postmap_command: /usr/sbin/postmap transport_file_type: hash main.cf smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination myhostname = xxx.xxx.edu alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases mydestination = $myhostname, mailman, localhost.localdomain, , localhost relayhost = [xx.xx.xx.xx] mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps =$alias_maps hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains Thanks, Eyoel Mengesha

3 2

Best practice when deleting a mailing-list (archiving an old list)
by Marc SCHAEFER 10 Sep '24

10 Sep '24

Hello, With Mailman2, my list deletion procedure was quite simple: - export the list configuration with config_list - export the list members - archive the archives somewhere - remove the aliases manually - delete the list I think that with Mailman3, the above can be done as follows: - export the list configuration with https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… - export the list members with https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… - archive the archives somewhere: this is my main question - remove the aliases manually: this is automatic - delete the list So, is there a simple way to export a list's archives in a way it can be reimported, now that everything seems to be in the database? Archiving the whole database is an issue here (its compressed dump size > 2 GB). Thank you for your ideas or pointers!

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Mass Subscribe caused Delivery Status to become "unset"
by chad.hays86＠gmail.com 09 Sep '24

09 Sep '24

One of the admins on our Mailman site said they recently performed a mass subscribe operation on list, however they noticed that for each user they subscribed, their "Delivery status" was unset, so they weren't receiving email updates whenever there was new activity on the list. They had to go in after the fact and manually set it to "Enabled" for each user that was subscribed via the mass subscription operation. Is this behavior expected? During the mass subscribed, pre-confirm, pre-approved, and pre-verified checkboxes were all checked.

3 3

It takes a very long time to display the list archives
by bryan.kartzman＠yu.edu 09 Sep '24

09 Sep '24

When I try to display the archives of any list in my mailman3 installation it takes forever for it to display. We are talking a good three or four minutes. It doesn't matter if there are 100 messages in the archives or just one. We are using postgres for the mailman3 and django databases. On the server, when I click to display a list's archives, I see the process "gunicorn: worker [gunicorn]" is using nearly 100% of available CPU.

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when on particular person sends a message to the list dozens of OTHER users have their bounce score incremented
by Ken Alker 09 Sep '24

09 Sep '24

We have been experiencing a strange anomaly. We are running a small-ish list. When a particular subscriber to the list sends an email to the list, a couple of dozen (or more) of the recipient's of the message end up with their bounce scores incrementing. This particular subscriber uses about three different email addresses when he sends his messages and every one of them causes this behavior. There is another subscriber who also causes this behavior when he sends an email to the list, but only one of the two email addresses he sends from causes this behavior. There is a third person who causes this behavior every time. There are dozens of other subscribes who don't generate this behavior when they send to the list. I can't figure out why this is occurring. I *assume* that Mailman re-writes the headers to add DKIM, etc., before sending them to the list recipients but it sure seems like something in the header from the original sender is ending up in the final header (or something is LACKING) which is not liked by the recipient's MTA's. It doesn't seem like a subscriber sending an email to the list should be able to cause this behavior - but I'm no expert. The recipients appear to be using many different mail platforms (ie. their addresses are not all, or even mostly, @google.com or some other domain; the recipients appear to be a pretty good cross section of platforms). This has been going on all year (maybe longer). Any help or troubleshooting suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

5 9

How to tell which lists on my server are being used?
by Bryan Kartzman 08 Sep '24

08 Sep '24

Is there an easy way to tell which lists on my Mailman 3 installation are being used (i.e. received posts in the last two or three months)?

4 4

Setting base_url for the domain to use it in the templates.
by Timour Bakeev 08 Sep '24

08 Sep '24

Hi all! I'm trying to use extended placeholders for the [templated texts](https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/res… in the message footer that are sent to the members: > Along with these, Mailman supports placeholder as URLs for web interface when `base_url` property is set at the Domain level. These include: > domain_url - URL to homepage for a domain. > mailinglist_url - URL to homepage for a mailinglist. > held_message_url - URL to page for handling all held messages. > pending_subscriptions_url - URL to page for handling pending subscription requests. > pending_unsubscriptions_url - URL to page for handling pending unsubscriptions. The REST API docs mention `base_url` as the property of the domain: [domain URLs](https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest… But my attempts to use REST API to set it fail: ``` curl --user 'restapi:restpass' \ -X PATCH \ -H "Content-Type: application/json" \ -H 'Accept: application/json' \ -d '{ "base_url": "https://example.net/mailman3" }' \ http://localhost:8001/3.1/domains/example.net | jq '.' { "title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Unexpected parameters: base_url" } ``` My MM3 instance is the latest(3.3.9), provided by the maxking mailman-core docker image. It looks like there is a lot of confusion about `base_url` in general, as hyperkitty seems also use the property with the same name, for example: https://lists.mailman3.org/hyperkitty/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/threa… So what is the correct way to get those extended placeholders to work in the templates? It's also not clear to me, what the the primary domain should be for the installation - server hostname, as in `lists.mailman3.org` or the domain, used in the mailing list(s) itself, like `mailman3.org` for mailman-users(a)mailman3.org... With best regards, Timour Bakeev

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Archive not updated
by mailman3＠escapade.ch 06 Sep '24

06 Sep '24

Hi All, Env: Debian bookworm debian pkg mailman 3.3.8-2~deb12u2 Status I moved from MM2 to MM3 Import of the archives worked, no issue problem: current emails sent to the list are not being archived. What have I done: - based on the list here I've checked different settings in the cfg files - looked for errors in the log What else can I do to solve this problem ? Many thanks in advance for your help. Manny

3 2

Can you use @list to include members in accept these non-members in v3?
by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis 05 Sep '24

05 Sep '24

In Mailman v2, one could use @listname in ‘accept_these_nonmembers’: A line consisting of the @ character followed by a list name specifies another Mailman list in this installation, all of whose member addresses will be accepted for this list. I don’t see this option listed in version 3. Is it no longer supported/allowed? Is there another option? We often send email to lists of lists and have loved that @listname option to help us deliver email to 20+ lists without needing to approve the emails each time or reconfigure all the lists when another sender needs to be added. Thank you Tom Lieuallen Oregon State University

3 4

security app causing django Internal Server Error: /archives/search emails
by sun zi 05 Sep '24

05 Sep '24

Greetings, I have set up a few lists and all seems to be working as expected, however I get a large number of emails due to internal server errors received when my security application is testing exploits to list URLs such as the following: https://<mylistdomain>/archives/search?sort=177120&cauft=&page=1&q=../../../../../../../../../../tmb/wditeteet424465304.txt. Is there any django logging filter changes that can be made to avoid receiving these emails? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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Assistance Needed for Ubuntu 22.04 Mailman3 Installation and Configuration
by smiithjohn90＠gmail.com 31 Aug '24

31 Aug '24

Hello Everyone, I'm trying to install Mailman3 on an Ubuntu 22.04 server right now, and I've run across a few obstacles that I'd like help with. I've followed the installation instructions, but I'm having trouble in a couple places, so I was hoping an experienced someone might help me out. This is what I have completed thus far: - I used the apt-get package manager to install Mailman3. - PostgreSQL was configured as the database backend. - Postfix was installed and set up to function as the Mail Transfer Agent (MTA). - Assemble Postorius, Hyperkitty, and the Mailman3 core. Problems I'm Having: Postorius and Hyperkitty Connectivity: I'm having problems making sure that the Mailman core is correctly connected to Postorius and Hyperkitty. I get a 502 Bad Gateway error when I try to access the web interfaces. Despite checking my specifications, I am unable to identify the problem. Problems with Email Delivery: I'm also having trouble with email delivery. Although Mailman appears to be receiving emails, it is not appearing to be sending any out. I think there might be a Postfix problem, but I'm not sure how to solve it. Generally Suggested Practices: Are there any particular security best practices I should be aware of when it comes to Mailman3 installations? I want to confirm that my configuration is both performance- and security-optimized. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… https://www.igmguru.com/salesforce/salesforce-developer-training https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I would be grateful for any advice or resources! It would be really beneficial if someone with a similar setup could share their settings or troubleshooting procedures. Thank you in advance.

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Dist. List forwarding and DMARC Reject circumvention. Will this pattern work?
by titan160＠hotmail.com 26 Aug '24

26 Aug '24

I would be grateful if someone could vet and verify (or guide otherwise) the following pattern please. With the major mail vendors move to DMARC - Full Reject, I have a small challenge. - We have a number of 365 Distribution List addresses. - These lists accept email from anyone and, currently, then forward those emails onto list members. - List members, however, are NOT necessarily email addresses within the list's mail domain. They might be outlook.com, Gmail, yahoo, Hotmail, username(a)local.ISP. Consequently, DMARC Reject policies are causing these emails to be marked spam as the 365 Dist. List forwarding is not doing any header manipulation. My thinking is: - I could set up a Mailman list (elists.mydomain.com) alongside the 365 Exchange mail domain (mydomain.com) - I leave inbound mail deliver to the 365 Dist. lists. - I reconfigure the (mylist(a)mydomain.com) Dist. Lists to fwd to a similarly-named Mailman address at the email sub-domain (mylist(a)elists.mydomain.com) - The Mailman list, by virtue of having to use the 365 MTA, should be able to accept all inbound from the list (mylist(a)mydomain.com). - Mailman would then need to re-write the mail headers such that the inbound email to-be-forwarded from the Mailman list, both appears to come from the (mylist(a)mydomain.com) address, and also has the 365 'mydomain.com' SPF and DKIM records. And given Mailman has to use the 365 MTA, it would actually be coming from that main mail domain. - Somewhere in there, the original sender's email address would need to be included, such that a Reply-to-All from a receiving List member would not only go back to the List, but also the original sender. My thinking is that with this pattern, I don't need to worry about inbound emails to the list address as that would simply continue to function as normal, and fwdd mails from the List to recipient list members would not be marked spam as the headers would all be good. Is my thinking good? Or am I out of my cotton-pickin' mind?

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Issue with mailman auto subscription
by Francisco Paco López 26 Aug '24

26 Aug '24

Hello, I migrated my mailman 2 instance to mailman 3 some months ago. Some users have been reporting lately that auto subscriptions don't work anymore. In the affected list both the Subscription and un subscription policies are open, which means that normally a user that sends a "subscribe" mail automatically subs to the list. This works fine for users that have been subscribed in the past but not for new users. The latter get a mail stating that a confirmation is needed ("Your confirmation is needed to join the XXXX(a)my.lists.com mailing list"). I see nothing out of the ordinary in the mailman.log file and co. Any ideas? Thanks a lot in advance [SIB logo] Francisco López Ayuso System Administrator SIB | Swiss Institute of Bioinformatics Quartier Sorge, bâtiment Amphipôle - CH 1015 Lausanne - Switzerland t +41 21 692 40 36 Francisco.Lopezayuso(a)sib.swiss - www.sib.swiss The information in this e-mail, and those ensuing, is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message and notify the sender immediately.

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Mailman config is not being applied
by roberto.blandino＠ibw.com.ni 26 Aug '24

26 Aug '24

Debian: 11.10 GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Server version: Apache/2.4.61 (Debian) PHP 7.4.33 (cli) (built: Apr 12 2024 00:02:16) ( NTS ) I have a list and when i add a no member on the web interface and on the Non-Member options i set "Administration options" to "Accept skip other rules" when i send email from that address it keeps being moderated and when i open again the options it keeps saying "Default by list" The options are not being write on changes

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systemd unit file modification: start / stop both services at once
by Ron / BCLUG 24 Aug '24

24 Aug '24

Hi, I've made a slight adjustment to my systemd unit files for Mailman3 such that I only ever need to start / restart / stop mailman3.service and mailman3-web.service will have the same action automatically applied to it. It's called `Upholds` and binds the 2 services together. I humbly suggest it become the default. In my case, I added a file here: /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service.d/override.conf with these lines: [Unit] Upholds = mailman3-web.service Before = mailman3-web.service Now, starting mailman3.service will *also* start mailman3-web.service. Restarting mailman3.service will *also* restart mailman3-web.service. Stopping mailman3.service will *also* stop mailman3-web.service. Those 3 lines could be placed in mailman3.service, or something like `UpheldBy=mailman3.service` could go in the mailman3-web.service. Hopefully this would make things slightly better for Mailman3 admins out there. rb

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502 bad gateway when unsubscribing users
by laura_thomas＠fas.harvard.edu 22 Aug '24

22 Aug '24

Hi everyone, I moderate several email lists for a university using Postorius 1.3.4.1. I've been trying to update our lists by removing members who have left the department. However, when I click on a name and then "Unsubscribe Selected," I always get a 502 Bad Gateway message, and I'm unable to remove any users from the list. This has happened on every attempt across multiple users on multiple mailing lists. Does anyone know what might be going on? I appreciate the help!

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Could You Please Guide Me As A Newbie?
by smiithjohn90＠gmail.com 21 Aug '24

21 Aug '24

Hello, everyone! This is my first post after just joining this discussion, so please forgive me and provide kind assistance if I have posted in the wrong subsection! I am new here but a real enthusiast and loving this community so far. I have a background in teaching coding and education, and I feel I could help with documentation, at least for starters. As a new member of this forum, I wish to share and gain some knowledge. I am looking forward to creating my own discussions to resolve my queries and gain more insights. I have participated in various discussions, which have definitely helped me a lot. Also, what factors should be considered when choosing the appropriate category for a post? Thank you in advance.

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trying to understand ARC
by Johannes Rohr 18 Aug '24

18 Aug '24

Dear all, I'm confused about how to enable ARC signing and how it is related to DKIM. As it stands, the contents of the section [ARC] in mailmain.cfg are [ARC] enabled: yes authserv_id: *******.org # Should this be the address of the mailserver (postfix) instead? privkey: /etc/mailman3/***.org.mailman.key # Shouldn't this point to the same private key used by rspamd for DKIM signing? selector: mailman # shouldn't this point to the same selector as rspam, or should it be separate? If so, should I also set up a separate TXT entry domain: ****.org # mailman serves multiple domains. Should all be there? Should the exact subdomain be there? Finally, how come that at present, mailman does NOT sign the messages? They come with the original DKIM signature, but there is no ARC signature. Unfortunately, the official documentation says very little about ARC, so I have to post my possibly stupid questions here. Johannes

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Legit login attempts yield, "An error occurred while processing your request."
by Greg Newby 14 Aug '24

14 Aug '24

Hi friends. Following up on my message over the weekend about getting web (Django) logins for users who were ported from MM2 to MM3, I now have some people trying to create a new username. Something broke following a system update and reboot. MM3 is installed using the venv method, and the services (mailman and mailman-web) seem to be running ok. Mailing list delivery is happening as usual. I've now come upon a few related situations where a 500 error results, "Server error. An error occurred while processing your request." My primary question is: *How can I find out what's causing this*? I've looked in all the MM and web logfiles, by "tail -f" while generating the error, and nothing is logged there. Apache logs shows something like this: x.x.y.y- - [13/Aug/2024:21:46:41 -0700] "POST /accounts/password/reset/ HTTP/1.1" 500 1448 "https://lists.pglaf.org/accounts/password/reset/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15_7) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/127.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Edg/127.0.0.0" I've come across this error while trying to do authentication-related activities that worked before the reboot: - "Forgot password" (happens whether or not the entered email existed in MM2 or already exists in MM3) - Sign up (ditto) - Email unsubscribes gave a verification email, but then didn't unsubscribe the address (might not be the same problem) Thanks for any breadcrumbs that might guide me to the solution. ~ Greg

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Several Postorius errors over the weekend
by Andrew Hodgson 14 Aug '24

14 Aug '24

Hi. I've had several Postorius error messages which have resulted in an email. Is this someone up to mischief or have I missed a configuration somewhere? We had several of these over a short period and nothing since then which makes me think someone was running a script on the endpoint, but would be interested in confirmation from those that know better. Thanks. Andrew. Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/login/ 429.html Request Method: HEAD Request URL: http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/accounts/login/?next=%2F%61%63%63%6F%75%6E%7… Django Version: 4.2.13 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 Python Version: 3.12.3 Python Path: ['/opt/mailman', '/', '/opt/mailman/venv/bin', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python312.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.12', '/usr/lib/python3.12/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages', '/usr/local/lib/python3.12/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/etc/mailman3'] Server time: Fri, 09 Aug 2024 15:32:41 +0000 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Template loader postmortem Django tried loading these templates, in this order: Using engine django: This engine did not provide a list of tried templates. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 104, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 46, in _wrapper return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/allauth/decorators.py", line 10, in wrap resp = ratelimit.consume_or_429(request, action=action, **rl_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/allauth/core/ratelimit.py", line 140, in consume_or_429 return handler429(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/allauth/core/ratelimit.py", line 125, in _handler429 return render(request, "429." + app_settings.TEMPLATE_EXTENSION, status=429) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 24, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 61, in render_to_string template = get_template(template_name, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 19, in get_template raise TemplateDoesNotExist(template_name, chain=chain) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Exception Type: TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/login/ Exception Value: 429.html Raised during: allauth.account.views.LoginView Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: next = '/accounts/login//**/AND/**/(SELECT/**/DIFFERENCE(NULL,NULL))/**/IS/**/NULL--/**/CiLH' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: csrftoken = '********************' META: CSRF_COOKIE = 'ArmbEBfvw1lQgbvFKczV9km53k5UFC6G' HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'close' HTTP_COOKIE = '********************' HTTP_HOST = 'lists.hodgsonfamily.org' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.15 FirePHP/0.5' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = '141.98.255.143' PATH_INFO = '/accounts/login/' QUERY_STRING = 'next=%2F%61%63%63%6F%75%6E%74%73%2F%6C%6F%67%69%6E%2F%2F%2A%2A%2F%41%4E%44%2F%2A%2A%2F%28%53%45%4C%45%43%54%2F%2A%2A%2F%44%49%46%46%45%52%45%4E%43%45%28%4E%55%4C%4C%2C%4E%55%4C%4C%29%29%2F%2A%2A%2F%49%53%2F%2A%2A%2F%4E%55%4C%4C%2D%2D%2F%2A%2A%2F%43%69%4C%48' RAW_URI = '/accounts/login/?next=%2F%61%63%63%6F%75%6E%74%73%2F%6C%6F%67%69%6E%2F%2F%2A%2A%2F%41%4E%44%2F%2A%2A%2F%28%53%45%4C%45%43%54%2F%2A%2A%2F%44%49%46%46%45%52%45%4E%43%45%28%4E%55%4C%4C%2C%4E%55%4C%4C%29%29%2F%2A%2A%2F%49%53%2F%2A%2A%2F%4E%55%4C%4C%2D%2D%2F%2A%2A%2F%43%69%4C%48' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REMOTE_PORT = '35918' REQUEST_METHOD = 'HEAD' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = '127.0.0.1' SERVER_PORT = '8000' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.0' SERVER_SOFTWARE = 'gunicorn/22.0.0' gunicorn.socket = <socket.socket fd=4, family=2, type=1, proto=0, laddr=('127.0.0.1', 8000), raddr=('127.0.0.1', 35918)> wsgi.errors = <gunicorn.http.wsgi.WSGIErrorsWrapper object at 0x7dddf0dddf60> wsgi.file_wrapper = <class 'gunicorn.http.wsgi.FileWrapper'> wsgi.input = <gunicorn.http.body.Body object at 0x7dddf0dde540> wsgi.input_terminated = True wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = False wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'andrew(a)hodgson.io'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['localhost', 'lists.hodgsonfamily.org'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = PosixPath('/opt/mailman/web') CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js': 'compressor.js.JsCompressor'} COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'css': ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter', 'compressor.filters.cssmin.rCSSMinFilter'], 'js': ['compressor.filters.jsmin.rJSMinFilter']} COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7dddf3f61440> COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.OfflineManifestFileStorage' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE_ALIAS = 'compressor-offine' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_STORAGE_ALIAS = 'compressor' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_MASKED = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = ['https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org'] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailman', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'CONN_HEALTH_CHECKS': False, 'OPTIONS': {}, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'PORT': '', 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'MIGRATE': True, 'MIRROR': None, 'NAME': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FILES = 100 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER = 'django.views.debug.ExceptionReporter' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420 FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': '/opt/mailman/web/fulltext_index'}} HYPERKITTY_ENABLE_GRAVATAR = True IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ar-dz', 'Algerian Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('ckb', 'Central Kurdish (Sorani)'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('ig', 'Igbo'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('ky', 'Kyrgyz'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('ms', 'Malay'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('tg', 'Tajik'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tk', 'Turkmen'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'ar-dz', 'ckb', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.TimedRotatingFileHandler', 'filename': '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log', 'formatter': 'verbose', 'when': 'midnight', 'backupCount': 5}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'DEBUG', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['console', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO'}, 'q': {'level': 'WARNING', 'propagate': False, 'handlers': ['console', 'file']}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '/' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', 'workers': 2} ROOT_URLCONF = 'mailman_web.urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECRET_KEY_FALLBACKS = '********************' SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True SECURE_CROSS_ORIGIN_OPENER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.JSONSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [{'id': 'yahoo', 'name': 'Yahoo', 'openid_url': 'http://me.yahoo.com'}]}, 'google': {'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}}, 'facebook': {'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': ['email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone'], 'VERSION': 'v2.4'}} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/static/' STORAGES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage'}, 'staticfiles': {'BACKEND': 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage'}} TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_DEPRECATED_PYTZ = False USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = False USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'mailman_web.wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y'

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Setting archive_policy "private" using REST changes web UI setting Archive policy, but does not hide archive until UI Save
by Henrik Rasmussen 14 Aug '24

14 Aug '24

I am working on disabling a list removing all members using REST and then setting archive_policy to "private" also using REST. This changes the UI Archive policy setting to Private archives as I would expect, but I just discovered that the (now previous) member, still logged in, and alså public (not logged in), still have access to the archive. It is not browser cache. At the moment I click Save in the UI settings/archiving, both logged in user and not logged in user (other browser) changed to "This mailing list is private. You must be subscribed to view the archives." on page reload. It seems that i need to click Save on every list having been changed, before the archive is hidden. Is that a bug? I am currently using Postorius Version 1.3.5 and HyperKitty version 1.3.4. /Henrik

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RDS CA changes
by Hirayama, Pat 12 Aug '24

12 Aug '24

Hello, So, my Mailman3 installation (inherited – guy who set it up has left) is using PostgreSQL that is an AWS RDS instance. I have received an alert from AWS that the CA certificate used to create the database is expiring, and they want me to update the certificate before it expires: "Update Your Amazon RDS and Amazon Aurora SSL/TLS Certificates by August 22, 2024 " https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/rotate-your-ssl-tls-certificates-now-amazo… Our DBA team is requesting that we update applications by installing the new CA within the application's certificate store. As near as I can tell from reading the Mailman 3 docs, and looking at my mailman.cfg and settings_local.py ... I don't know that Mailman 3 is using certificate verification for the PostgreSQL connection. At least, I can't see anything in those configuration files that suggest this. Does anyone know if this is the case – or which configuration file I should look at to verify? Will my Mailman 3 be ok if the DBAs go ahead and update the certificates on their end? Thank you! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering - Infrastructure Fred Hutch Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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Removing all moderatortors (and owners) from a list in one go
by Henrik Rasmussen 12 Aug '24

12 Aug '24

As there doesn't seem to be a "Disable list" REST call (not an "export list" REST call, I am trying to remove all members, moderators and owners, changing list description etc. I managed to remove all members from a list in one go using https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…, but the same command, using /roster/moderator does not apply for moderators (now owners I guess). To me it seems that each moderator has to be removed one by one, either: * using REST https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… * or using the client https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… * or using Python https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Isn't there an easier way? And why not like https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… ? /Henrik

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User cannot reset password
by Greg Newby 11 Aug '24

11 Aug '24

I imported MM2.1 lists to Mailman3 (using import21 - details are in my previous messages to mailman-users), and have had a couple of reports of people for whom the password reset function via "Forgot password" on the list login screen doesn't work as expected. This is a venv installation using PostgreSQL as the database: $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.12.3 (main, Jul 31 2024, 17:43:48) [GCC 13.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:redacated@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:redacted The user selects "Forgot password" and enters their email - which I've confirmed is subscribed and receiving messages. They get this email: You are receiving this email because you, or someone else, tried to access an account with email redactaed(a)gmail.com. However, we do not have any record of such an account in our database. This mail can be safely ignored if you did not initiate this action. If it was you, you can sign up for an account using the link below. I looked in the PostgreSQL address table and confirmed the entry is there, and also of course looked at the Members list in the web-based front end. Everything looks ok. I suspect that lots of people will have the same problem, but have not yet tried to login & reset their password. The earlier reports indicated that people's saved passwords did not work, but I haven't replicated that. Any advice on what's going on and how to address it? I've migrated over 200 lists with thousands of users, so would rather not need to deal with every user via the web-based front end. But at this point I don't even know what to try to fix things. With the previous reports I unsubscribed the user and had them resubscribe - that worked as expected but required back-and-forth discussion and, more importantly, user inconvenience. Thanks, Greg Newby

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Python program to create lists and import settings from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3
by Greg Newby 10 Aug '24

10 Aug '24

Hi friends. A couple of weeks ago I asked for help with calling Mailman functions from within a Python program. This was to avoid using the web interface or shell commands to create a new list from a legacy Mailman 2.x list, and instead do it from within a Python program. Here is the program I ended up using, and I thought it would be worthwhile to get into the Mailman users list archives for future folks. Note that this is for the (recommended) venv installation of Mailman. Some things might be different for other installations. I'll paste the program and also attach it: #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 # Note: The line above should be the Python3 interpreter for your # installed version of Mailman3. It's the same as the first line in # your 'mailman' command, which might be named manage.py or something # else in your environment. # The venv version of Mailman used to develop this program is: # GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) # Python 3.12.3 (main, Apr 10 2024, 05:33:47) [GCC 13.2.0] # About: # The multiple steps of creating a Mailman 3 list based on a legacy # Mailman 2.1 list. # gbn July 28 2024. This little program is granted to the public domain. ######################################################################## # Adjust these variables for your list, domain, MM2 and MM3 locations: lists_to_import = [ # listname, domainname ('testlist','example.org'), ('testlist2','example.org') # Add more lists as needed ] ######################################################################## # Load prerequisite functionality: from mailman.config import config # Needed for transaction.commit from mailman.core.initialize import initialize # For initialize() from mailman.app.lifecycle import create_list # For create_list import pickle # Pickle file handling from contextlib import ExitStack # Pickle file handling from mailman.commands.cli_import import _Mailman, _Bouncer # "" from mailman.utilities.modules import hacked_sys_modules # "" import subprocess # Subprocess for import21 ######################################################################## # Step 0: Initialize the environment: # Without arguments, initialize() looks in the standard locations for your .cfg def do_init(): initialize() # Alternative: Load an explicit configuration file, such as: # initialize('/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg') ######################################################################## # Step 1: Create the list # Note: This fails silently if the list already exists or something goes wrong def do_create(new_list): try: # The list might exist or otherwise not be creatable l = create_list(new_list) except: # I did not find useful return values from create_list to diagnose print('create_list('+new_list+') failed. Trying to proceed anyway') # This saves your new list: transaction = config.db transaction.commit() ######################################################################## # Step 2: Rewrite the pickle file from the legacy list. def do_pickle(old_pickle_file, new_pickle_file): # These definitions are so the old pickle file can be parsed: with ExitStack() as resources: resources.enter_context(hacked_sys_modules('Mailman', _Mailman)) resources.enter_context( hacked_sys_modules('Mailman.Bouncer', _Bouncer)) # Input the old pickle file from MM 2.1 with open(old_pickle_file, 'rb') as fp: data = pickle.load(fp) # ban_list was a problematic value from my MM2.1 lists: # print(data['ban_list']) data['ban_list'] = [] # Any other settings you want to change? Add them here. These # variables may be seen with MM2's 'config_list' command data['require_explicit_destination']=1 # yes data['member_moderation_action']=1 # reject data['generic_nonmember_action']=2 # reject data['max_num_recipients']=2 # block cc/bcc to list fp.seek(0) # probably not needed fp.close() # ditto # Output: Rewrite the file in the current MM3 format with open(new_pickle_file,'wb') as ofp: pickle.dump(data, ofp) ofp.close() ######################################################################## # Step 3: Import the legacy settings to the newly created list def do_import(new_list, new_pickle_file): # I did not see how to call import21 directly from Python, so am using # a subprocess which basically uses the CLI syntax. # # CLI syntax: mailman import21 [OPTIONS] LISTSPEC PICKLE_FILE def import_list(listname, pickle_file): command = [ 'mailman', 'import21', listname, pickle_file ] subprocess.run(command, check=True) # print(f"List {listname} imported successfully.") # Import the list via a subprocess: import_list(new_list, new_pickle_file) # This saves your changes: transaction = config.db transaction.commit() ######################################################################## # Main process: do_init() # Loop for all lists we want to create & import: for new_listname, new_domainname in lists_to_import: new_list = new_listname+'@'+new_domainname # Adjust for wherever your old MM2 lists are: old_pickle_file = '/var/lib/mailman/lists/'+new_listname+'/config.pck' print('Starting list '+new_list) # The new pickle_file doesn't need to be saved after this program exits new_pickle_file = '/opt/mailman/'+new_listname+'-new.pck' do_create(new_list) do_pickle(old_pickle_file, new_pickle_file) do_import(new_list, new_pickle_file) print('Done with list '+new_list) # Don't forget to import and then index your list for full-text # searching. We're not doing that here because it takes awhile # (depending on the size of the archive). Use a command from the bash # shell such as: # mailman-web hyperkitty_import --since=1971-01-01 -l listname@domainnamed /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox # followed by: # mailman-web update_index_one_list listname@domainname ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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