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Out there plugin idea for tech cost sponsorship
by Steven Clift EDem Jan. 8, 2023

Jan. 8, 2023

After spending 20 years running a non-profit that hosted email lists for local communities as my day job, that's now all volunteer as I run a startup. Figuring out how to raise money to cover server costs without selling out our members with targeted social media advertising, was a continuous challenge. Anyway, today I am still involved in efforts to route around digital ad behemoths, but I a trying to help small businesses and shop for good brands gain new customers. So here is the question - do you think a Mailman add-on/plugin/module/whatever you'd call it that allowed list admins to reward their new subscribers to email lists with custom themed "for good" discounts would be of interest to many??? Normally, we (GoodCarts) reward people post-checkout with discounts in reciprocity powered circles of online stores. Stores essentially grow together by sharing customers instead of bidding against each other. The way I could see working with email list providers is basically adding an affiliate marketing style commission where purchases with post-subscription rewards would go to the partner based on results. When we go from hundreds of brand members to thousands and add in a "buy local" or brands by theme/values/impact, in theory my non-profits local online community forums could mission align by offering discounts to locally owned businesses. Our view is that exclusive discounts as rewards post transaction (purchase, email list subscription, volunteer sign-up, event registration, online petition signature, etc.) is far better than plastering ads everywhere. Anyway, I'd be curious if you think idea might have legs with Mailman list hosts/admins??? Nothing urgent, just a Saturday morning think different idea. Steven Clift

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Footer broken after migration. Where can I fix it?
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 7, 2023

Jan. 7, 2023

Dear all, after importing the lists from mailman2, almost everything works great, but the footer templates appear broken. Mails sent out contain the line %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s So clearly the old templates are not getting explanded. However, when I look in the web interface unter "templates", there is nothing there. Where are these legacy footers stored? In the DB, the table "postorius_emailtemplate" is empty. Thanks! Johannes

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Docker or virtualenv?
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 7, 2023

Jan. 7, 2023

Dear all, I have noticed that Ubuntu's current LTS no longer contains packages for mailman2 and its mailman3 packages are incomplete. So, prior to upgrading the server, I will have to migrate from mailman2 / distro packages to mailman3 installed either in virtualenv or docker. I have got zero experience with virtualenv and some experience with Docker. Overall, the docker method looks easier. Is docker the default method by now? Thanks! Johannes

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virtual_alias_domains
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 6, 2023

Jan. 6, 2023

Dear all, I have to set up mailman3 in an environment where postfix uses virtual alias domains. This is described in https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… I don't understand, though, what I need to do to have mailman generate $PREFIX/var/data/postfix_vmap I have tried to follow the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… with the purpose of setting an alias domain. However, things go sideways quickly: >>> from mailman.interfaces.domain import IDomainManager >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> manager = getUtility(IDomainManager) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 165, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) zope.interface.interfaces.ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass mailman.interfaces.domain.IDomainManager>, '') >>> So, something is missing. But, being a complete python layman, I do not know what and how I fix it. Can someone give me a headsup? That would be greatly appreciated! Johannes

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hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 6, 2023

Jan. 6, 2023

Dear all, I just installed mailman and mailman3-web in virtualenv as described in https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html Next I moved on to set up hyperkitty as described in https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/install.html. I got confused by the instructions: "Install the code Install the HyperKitty package and its dependencies with the following commands: sudo python setup.py install" Obviously this is a python script in a package that has to be downloaded from somewhere. Why? Doesn't the command pip install mailman-web mailman-hyperkitty already do the job? Apparently, there is a second way of installing hyperkitty, using virtualenv, where you have to check out the code from gitlab and install from there. However, this still doesn't look right, as hyperkitty apparently can also be installed through pip install hyperkitty But then, hyperkitty seems to be already have been pulled in by mailman-web, looking at its dependencies. If that's the case, then neither the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/install.html nor those at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/development.html are correct. Can someone enlighten me on what the canonical way is of installing and setting it up in virtualenv? Thanks a lot in advance! Johannes

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Re: Configure MM3 with separate IMAP Mailserver
by Clemens Leider Jan. 2, 2023

Jan. 2, 2023

Hi Mark, much appreciated! This is for sending messages, right? How about the recieving part…I read different things around that i need multiple mailboxes created, postfix installed, relays, ASMTPDirect etc…can you guide me a bit here, please? I havent found that one instruction that would solve this for me until now. Would just like to avoid to have to administer my own mailserver locally, if i have a perfectly configured one with my provider. CL

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Extracting mailing list users
by Jan Eden Jan. 2, 2023

Jan. 2, 2023

Hi, I would like to export users of my mailing lists including their full name (if present). The export button in Postorius creates a CSV with addresses only, and the tool bin/list_members mentioned in the [Mailman 2 FAQ] does not seem to be available in Mailman 3. I have full access to the server/database, so scraping the web interface with [Mark's script] seems unneccessary. Is there an SQL statement (or an equivalent of bin/list_members) to extract the data? Thanks, Jan [Mailman 2 FAQ]: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20extract%20%28export%29%20a%20list%… [Mark's script]: https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers3.py

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Configure MM3 with separate IMAP Mailserver
by clemens.leider＠gmail.com Jan. 2, 2023

Jan. 2, 2023

Dear all, we have managed to setup MM3 following the docker Installation concept/Tutorial. So far so good. However now i am struggeling with connecting to MTA. We are using imap server of our hosting provider.how to integrate that properly? Google was not too much of help unfortunately…looking for some tutorial or howto/step by step if possible. Thanks in advance CL

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Web UI setup
by Lars Bjørndal Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

Thanks a lot for all your valuable help! I've followed the guide at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> I need to run mailman 2 and mailman 3 in parallel until I've migrated all lists, on several domains. I created the file /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman3.conf with the content <VirtualHost *:80> ErrorLog logs/mailman3-error_log CustomLog logs/mailman3-access_log common RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off [NC] RewriteRule ^/mailman3(/.*) https://%{HTTP_HOST}/mailman3$1 [L,R=permanent] </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost *:443> ErrorLog logs/mailman3-error_log CustomLog logs/mailman3-access_log common include conf.d/certref.inc SSLEngine on </VirtualHost> <location /mailman3> ProxyPass http://localhost:8000 </location> The idea is to prepare mailman3 for several virtual domains. When I connect to lamasti.net/mailman3, the title is example.com. How can I change that? Thanks Lars

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Apache
by Lars Bjørndal Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

I have already Apache installed and running for mailman2 and other resources. How do I serve mailman3 from Apache for the respective domains? Thanks in advance Lars

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Early release of mailman 3.3.8 possible?
by Torge Riedel Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

Dear list / devs, is it possible to release 3.3.8 early? As far as I can see it is a prereq for my planned upgrade of the server from Ubuntu LTS 20.04 to Ubunto LTS 22.04. I use MySQL in my setup (own installation in venv), so my installation is affected by #1044, which is closed in 3.3.8 Also Ubuntu LTS 22.04 comes with Python 3.10 (https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=jammy&keywords=python3) where the support is also stated earliest for 3.3.8 (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.…) Am I right with my findings? I planned to upgrade the server until end of this year, because there is less traffic in the last days of a year. But I think unless 3.3.8 is not released, I cannot update the server. Kind regards Torge

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MM2 -> MM3 Migration
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

I looked at my list archives and saw that the latest post was on Dec 8, 2022. Then, because I wanted to import any posts that happened from 8th to now(), I looked at two posts: 1. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This talks about 'hyperkitty_import *--since=01.01.2022* -l mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file' 2. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2018-July/083607.html Which talks about 'hyperkitty_import *--since='1990-01-01'* -l mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file' I am concerned about the implication of the date format here, especially because our species from America write their dates differently than the British, even though the British colonized us all :P Well, I haven't looked at the manpage (--help) before posting this, and I know I should, but even without that, does Mailman speak American or British English when it comes to the date format? :-) In my case, I have done this: ' hyperkitty_import --since='2022-12-08' -l mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file' After that I ran: /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin update_index_one_listmylist@mydomain And I am hoping that I will have the posts since Dec 8 to Dec 29 showing up in my archives. However, I am not sure. Hope someone can explain to the audience. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Twitter OAuth2
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

I'd like to integrate Twitter OAuth as part of the Social Accounts in my setup. I have gone through https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/providers.html#twitter, but cannot find the config options to add to my settings. Does someone have a config block setting for "SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS =" ? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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combine postorius and hyperkitty into one Apache vhost
by Wolfgang Rosenauer Dec. 29, 2022

Dec. 29, 2022

Hi, I'm in the process to set up a new mailman3 site. (Migrating from mailman2) There are RPMs for my distribution which integrate postorius and hyperkitty with uwsgi. The provided samples assume that both are running in different vhosts what I would like to avoid. Since I couldn't find any uwsgi examples for that I'm experimenting heavily but still having issues. I might just miss a simple thing (hopefully). My current apache config: Alias "/mailman/static" "/srv/www/webapps/mailman/postorius/static" ProxyPassMatch ^/mailman/static ! ProxyPass /mailman unix:/run/uwsgi/uwsgi-postorius.sock|uwsgi://localhost-postorius/ Alias "/archives/static" "/srv/www/webapps/mailman/hyperkitty/static" ProxyPassMatch ^/archives/static ! ProxyPass /archives unix:/run/uwsgi/uwsgi-hyperkitty.sock|uwsgi://localhost-hyperkitty/ This currently assumes that postorius just gets a mailman/ prefix and hyperkitty archives/ This setup immediately fails because of the urlpatterns filter in these components. For testing purposes I changed the patterns in urls.py slightly and I could make it work for me. BUT: This cannot be the solution, can it? Isn't there an easier way to allow these components to run under a different document root? Something slightly unrelated but causing issues in some edge cases also is that Django? does not detect the request url properly. For some functionality e.g. when I want to login to Django admin under /archives/admin (even after modifying urls.py) I get a redirect after the form which shows that my initial path was not recognized as /archives/admin but /archive//admin instead. So the last character is replaced with a / Any hints for me? Thanks, Wolfgang

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hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 29, 2022

Dec. 29, 2022

I worke up to 959 such entries in my mailmanweb.log: ERROR 2022-12-27 22:49:57,732 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:49:57,784 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:05,746 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:06,022 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:06,183 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:06,273 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:06,353 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. ERROR 2022-12-27 22:50:06,435 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. What might have been the cause of this? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/
by Mohsen Masoudfar Dec. 29, 2022

Dec. 29, 2022

Hi, I am getting the following errors starting some days ago. It is unclear to me what is causing this. I searched internet, there are some similar reports that mention bugs causing this. I am running mailman3 as Ubuntu 18 package and they do not provide any update for this. Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/ ProgrammingError at /accounts/fedora/login/ relation "socialaccount_openidstore" does not exist LINE 1: SELECT COUNT(*) AS "__count" FROM "socialaccount_openidstore... ^ Request Method: GET Request URL: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flistserv2… Django Version: 1.11.11 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 2.7.17 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python2.7', '/usr/lib/python2.7/plat-x86_64-linux-gnu', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages'] Server time: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 11:01:12 -0500 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'paintstore', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.SessionAuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _legacy_get_response 249. response = self._get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 187. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 185. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in view 68. return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in dispatch 88. return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in get 59. return self.post(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in post 72. auth_request = client.begin(form.cleaned_data['openid']) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openid/consumer/consumer.py" in begin 353. return self.beginWithoutDiscovery(service, anonymous) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openid/consumer/consumer.py" in beginWithoutDiscovery 376. auth_req = self.consumer.begin(service) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openid/consumer/consumer.py" in begin 598. assoc = self._getAssociation(service_endpoint) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openid/consumer/consumer.py" in _getAssociation 1158. assoc = self.store.getAssociation(endpoint.server_url) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/openid/utils.py" in getAssociation 96. if stored_assocs.count() == 0: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in count 364. return self.query.get_count(using=self.db) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/query.py" in get_count 504. number = obj.get_aggregation(using, ['__count'])['__count'] File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/query.py" in get_aggregation 485. result = compiler.execute_sql(SINGLE) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py" in execute_sql 899. raise original_exception Exception Type: ProgrammingError at /accounts/fedora/login/ Exception Value: relation "socialaccount_openidstore" does not exist LINE 1: SELECT COUNT(*) AS "__count" FROM "socialaccount_openidstore... ^ Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: process = u'login' next = u'/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/sec_g_zoom(a)listserv2.aaas.org/message/new' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: No cookie data META: CONTEXT_DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/html' CONTEXT_PREFIX = '' DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/html' GATEWAY_INTERFACE = 'CGI/1.1' HTTPS = 'on' HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate, br' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'keep-alive' HTTP_FROM = 'googlebot(at)googlebot.com' HTTP_HOST = 'listserv2.aaas.org' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Googlebot/2.1 (+https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fbot.html&data=05%7C01%7Cmmasoudf%40aaas.org%7Cc767333920c94048355708dae823947a%7C2eebd8ff9ed140f0a15638e5dfb3bc56%7C0%7C0%7C638077536774767693%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8%2F5tgjkoHnu%2BWaHwrNVRzcJUh%2BcQ9%2BFUkmB3psMzKMU%3D&reserved=0)' PATH = '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/snap/bin' PATH_INFO = u'/accounts/fedora/login/' QUERY_STRING = 'process=login&next=%2Fmailman3%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Fsec_g_zoom%40listserv2.aaas.org%2Fmessage%2Fnew' REMOTE_ADDR = '66.249.66.53' REMOTE_PORT = '37189' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_SCHEME = 'https' REQUEST_URI = '/mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/?process=login&next=%2Fmailman3%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Fsec_g_zoom%40listserv2.aaas.org%2Fmessage%2Fnew' SCRIPT_FILENAME = 'proxy:uwsgi://localhost//accounts/fedora/login/' SCRIPT_NAME = u'/mailman3' SERVER_ADDR = '172.24.9.130' SERVER_ADMIN = 'mmasoudf(a)aaas.org' SERVER_NAME = 'listserv2.aaas.org' SERVER_PORT = '443' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.1' SERVER_SIGNATURE = '<address>Apache/2.4.29 (Ubuntu) Server at listserv2.aaas.org Port 443</address>\n' SERVER_SOFTWARE = 'Apache/2.4.29 (Ubuntu)' SSL_TLS_SNI = 'listserv2.aaas.org' uwsgi.core = 0 uwsgi.node = 'listserv2' uwsgi.version = '2.0.15-debian' wsgi.errors = <open file 'wsgi_errors', mode 'w' at 0x7fdfa1c748a0> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7fdfa1ccc710> wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'https' wsgi.version = u'(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = u"(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'mmasoudf(a)aaas.org'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['*'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = u"('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = u'********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = u'auth.User' BASE_DIR = '/usr/share/mailman3-web' CACHES = {u'default': {u'BACKEND': u'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = u'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = u'********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = u'()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = u'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = u'********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = u'' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = u'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = u'' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = u'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_COMPRESSOR = u'compressor.css.CssCompressor' COMPRESS_CSS_FILTERS = [u'compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter'] COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = u'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7fdfa1de2f50> COMPRESS_JS_COMPRESSOR = u'compressor.js.JsCompressor' COMPRESS_JS_FILTERS = [u'compressor.filters.jsmin.JSMinFilter'] COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = False COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {u'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = u'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = u'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = u'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = u"(('text/less', 'lessc {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-scss', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = u'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {u'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/mailman3/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = u'/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = u'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = u'--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = u'--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = u'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = u'' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = u'' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = u'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = u'/' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = u'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = u'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'NAME': 'mailman3web', 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'PORT': '', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'USER': 'mailman3web', 'TEST': {'COLLATION': None, 'CHARSET': None, 'NAME': None, 'MIRROR': None}, 'PASSWORD': u'********************', 'OPTIONS': {}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATETIME_FORMAT = u'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = [u'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', u'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', u'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', u'%Y-%m-%d', u'%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', u'%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', u'%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', u'%m/%d/%Y', u'%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', u'%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', u'%m/%d/%y %H:%M', u'%m/%d/%y'] DATE_FORMAT = u'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = [u'%Y-%m-%d', u'%m/%d/%Y', u'%m/%d/%y', u'%b %d %Y', u'%b %d, %Y', u'%d %b %Y', u'%d %b, %Y', u'%B %d %Y', u'%B %d, %Y', u'%d %B %Y', u'%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = u'.' DEFAULT_CHARSET = u'utf-8' DEFAULT_CONTENT_TYPE = u'text/html' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = u'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = u'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius(a)listserv2.aaas.org' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = u'' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = u'' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAILNAME = 'listserv2.aaas.org' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = u'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = u'********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = u'' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = u'********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = u'[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_CHARSET = u'utf-8' FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = [u'django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', u'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = u'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': '/var/lib/mailman3/web/fulltext_index'}} HOSTNAME = 'localhost.local' IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = u"('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'paintstore', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora')" INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [(u'af', u'Afrikaans'), (u'ar', u'Arabic'), (u'ast', u'Asturian'), (u'az', u'Azerbaijani'), (u'bg', u'Bulgarian'), (u'be', u'Belarusian'), (u'bn', u'Bengali'), (u'br', u'Breton'), (u'bs', u'Bosnian'), (u'ca', u'Catalan'), (u'cs', u'Czech'), (u'cy', u'Welsh'), (u'da', u'Danish'), (u'de', u'German'), (u'dsb', u'Lower Sorbian'), (u'el', u'Greek'), (u'en', u'English'), (u'en-au', u'Australian English'), (u'en-gb', u'British English'), (u'eo', u'Esperanto'), (u'es', u'Spanish'), (u'es-ar', u'Argentinian Spanish'), (u'es-co', u'Colombian Spanish'), (u'es-mx', u'Mexican Spanish'), (u'es-ni', u'Nicaraguan Spanish'), (u'es-ve', u'Venezuelan Spanish'), (u'et', u'Estonian'), (u'eu', u'Basque'), (u'fa', u'Persian'), (u'fi', u'Finnish'), (u'fr', u'French'), (u'fy', u'Frisian'), (u'ga', u'Irish'), (u'gd', u'Scottish Gaelic'), (u'gl', u'Galician'), (u'he', u'Hebrew'), (u'hi', u'Hindi'), (u'hr', u'Croatian'), (u'hsb', u'Upper Sorbian'), (u'hu', u'Hungarian'), (u'ia', u'Interlingua'), (u'id', u'Indonesian'), (u'io', u'Ido'), (u'is', u'Icelandic'), (u'it', u'Italian'), (u'ja', u'Japanese'), (u'ka', u'Georgian'), (u'kk', u'Kazakh'), (u'km', u'Khmer'), (u'kn', u'Kannada'), (u'ko', u'Korean'), (u'lb', u'Luxembourgish'), (u'lt', u'Lithuanian'), (u'lv', u'Latvian'), (u'mk', u'Macedonian'), (u'ml', u'Malayalam'), (u'mn', u'Mongolian'), (u'mr', u'Marathi'), (u'my', u'Burmese'), (u'nb', u'Norwegian Bokm\xe5l'), (u'ne', u'Nepali'), (u'nl', u'Dutch'), (u'nn', u'Norwegian Nynorsk'), (u'os', u'Ossetic'), (u'pa', u'Punjabi'), (u'pl', u'Polish'), (u'pt', u'Portuguese'), (u'pt-br', u'Brazilian Portuguese'), (u'ro', u'Romanian'), (u'ru', u'Russian'), (u'sk', u'Slovak'), (u'sl', u'Slovenian'), (u'sq', u'Albanian'), (u'sr', u'Serbian'), (u'sr-latn', u'Serbian Latin'), (u'sv', u'Swedish'), (u'sw', u'Swahili'), (u'ta', u'Tamil'), (u'te', u'Telugu'), (u'th', u'Thai'), (u'tr', u'Turkish'), (u'tt', u'Tatar'), (u'udm', u'Udmurt'), (u'uk', u'Ukrainian'), (u'ur', u'Urdu'), (u'vi', u'Vietnamese'), (u'zh-hans', u'Simplified Chinese'), (u'zh-hant', u'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = [u'he', u'ar', u'fa', u'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = u'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = u'/' LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'loggers': {'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'propagate': True, 'level': 'INFO'}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'propagate': True, 'level': 'INFO'}, 'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'propagate': True, 'level': 'INFO'}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['file'], 'propagate': True, 'level': 'INFO'}}, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'handlers': {'console': {'formatter': 'simple', 'class': 'logging.StreamHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'formatter': 'verbose', 'class': 'logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler', 'filename': '/var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log'}, 'mail_admins': {'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'level': 'ERROR'}}, 'formatters': {'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}, 'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}}, 'version': 1, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = u'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = u"('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = u'********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = u'********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = u'********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = u'********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = u'' MEDIA_URL = u'' MESSAGE_STORAGE = u'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = None MIDDLEWARE_CLASSES = u"('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.SessionAuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = u'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = u'********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = u'********************' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'orm': 'default', 'save_limit': 100, 'timeout': 300} ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' SECRET_KEY = u'********************' SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = False SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)listserv2.aaas.org' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = u'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = u'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = u'/' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = u'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = u'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = u'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = u'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {} STATICFILES_DIRS = u'()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = u"('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = u'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/mailman3/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}, 'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates'}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = u'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = u',' TIME_FORMAT = u'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = [u'%H:%M:%S', u'%H:%M:%S.%f', u'%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_ETAGS = False USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = u'SAMEORIGIN' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = u'F Y' Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar

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Approve an email
by Lars Bjørndal Dec. 28, 2022

Dec. 28, 2022

Hi, list! I'm on Fedora 36 with the packages mailman3-3.3.4-6.fc36.noarch and postorius-1.3.6-2.fc36.noarch installed. with the command sudo -u mailman mailman3 create <listname> I was able to create a list. I'm not able to find out how to setup and configure the postorius package. There's no mailman-web command. Hyperkitty will not installed du to a dependency conflict, but I dont need archiving for the list. Here comes my quesitons: - What's the easiest way to approve an email sent to the list? - How can I configure the list to accept messages also from non members? - How can I setup postorius to work on Fedora? I have django-admin, but I'm not sure where to go. Thanks in advance, Lars

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Apache+mod_wsgi issue
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 27, 2022

Dec. 27, 2022

Still on my MM3 learning path. I mostly have everything running without errors - even uwsgi is starting without errors after I followed the fix from the discussion at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I have standardized all the files in /opt/mailman/mm/ because this is FreeBSD and our configs for user-installed apps are usually supposed to go to /usr/local/etc/. My VHOST configuration is the exact replica of https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At… with the only change being the Python version from 3.6 to 3.9. My challenge now is to get Apache+mod_uwsgi to serve my pages, but I am hitting the error below which has gotten me stuck. Thanking you in advance for your advice on how to overcome this. [Thu Dec 22 14:21:22.758277 2022] [wsgi:info] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] mod_wsgi (pid=4288, process='mailman-web', application='mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke|/mailman3'): Loading Python script file '/opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py'. [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.039999 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] mod_wsgi (pid=4288): Failed to exec Python script file '/opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py'. [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040054 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] mod_wsgi (pid=4288): Exception occurred processing WSGI script '/opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py'. [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040841 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] Traceback (most recent call last): [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040914 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py", line 38, in <module> [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040921 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] application = get_wsgi_application() [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040929 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/wsgi.py", line 12, in get_wsgi_application [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040934 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] django.setup(set_prefix=False) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040941 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 19, in setup [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040945 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] configure_logging(settings.LOGGING_CONFIG, settings.LOGGING) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040952 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 92, in __getattr__ [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040957 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] self._setup(name) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040964 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 79, in _setup [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040968 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040975 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 190, in __init__ [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040979 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040986 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040990 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.040997 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1030, in _gcd_import [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.041004 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1007, in _find_and_load [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.041012 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 984, in _find_and_load_unlocked [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.041064 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote 197.232.81.246:15107] ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings' -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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No Archives
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 22, 2022

Dec. 22, 2022

I am working on a migration from MM2 to MM3. My MM2 lists are domiciled at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ To work on the web UI for MM3, I created a subdomain - mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke. I have mostly done everything, including importing the archives. However, when I access https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/, it's all empty. However, when I visit https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/lists/, I can see my list. In Postorius, the site name is lists.kictanet.or.ke (same with mail domain). I have SITE_ID = 3 in both settings*.py and have restarted both Apache and Gunicorn. Could this be due to the fact that I am accessing the site using a domain name different than what the actual site is? Or there is something minor I am missing? PS: I am wondering also why SITE_ID=3 when I only added one site, besides the default example.com. If need be, I am willing to blow away the whole virtualenv and start afresh. It's a good step towards mastering the installation of MM3 :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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message awaits moderator approval´
by Eggert Ehmke Dec. 21, 2022

Dec. 21, 2022

When I send a mail to a list that exceeds the max size, I get the above answer. However, the moderator of that list does not get a message, and there is no entry in the list of hold back messages. This should be a configuration problem, on another list on the same server this works fine. I cannot find any differences in the settings.

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Emergency moderation and clearing out a lot of held messages
by bob B Dec. 21, 2022

Dec. 21, 2022

We had an issue where a program went rogue and sent out 30k email alerts to one of our lists, so now I have a few questions. When the issue happened I turned on emergency moderation and we have resolved the issue so.. 1. How do I easily delete 30k of held messages? It looks like the GUI only allows me to do 200 at a time? is there a way to flush all held messages easily? 2. When I enabled Emergency moderation, I expected it to stop notifying the admin on every held message, but it appears that is not the case? Also, does it reply to the sender of every held message when Emergency moderation is on? it seems like the steps are: turn on "Emergency moderation" turn OFF "Notify users of held messages" turn OFF "Admin immed notify"

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SMTPNotSupportedError when requesting new password
by Eggert Ehmke Dec. 21, 2022

Dec. 21, 2022

I get this error when a user tries to use the "forgot password" function in hyperkitty. Obviously the exception is thrown when the send_mail function is called in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py In settings.py I have: EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_HOST_USER = 'valid email' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = 'valid password' What can I do to debug further?

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MM3 List Templates
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 21, 2022

Dec. 21, 2022

I am reading https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience regarding templates and I am confused about whether to treat the path /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/*site*/en/ literally or even if that information is still relevant. I created the exact path and put those templates in there, but they do not show up on Postorius. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Where do I find the bounced messages?
by Sörös Zoltán Dec. 20, 2022

Dec. 20, 2022

Greetings, I am running several lists under mailman3. I am getting notifications about users being put on nomail because of their bounces - but I can find no way to actually see the bounced messages. Do mailman3 store the received bounces? Where? Is there any setting to forward these bounces to the list owner? Thanks in advance -- Sörös Zoltán E-mail: beer(a)filmjus.hu http://www.filmjus.hu/~beer/

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Can "Pre Verified" set to yes by default?
by Alan So Dec. 20, 2022

Dec. 20, 2022

We are a university with many departments & colleges owning their own mailing lists and they manage their members lists by themselves. The current (ours is 1.3.6) Postorius have a default of "Pre Verified" as "No" when doing mass subscription by the list admin. It sounds sensible if most people subscribe to the lists by themselves normally. But in our case, our departmental staff normally maintain their list of members and do not want their members need to do anything before they can be reachable from lists. However, some of our departmental staff sometimes forget to check the box "Pre Verified" when they refresh (actually delete all and subscribe all) list of members during term's start. This often lead to issue especially if the list they maintained have thousands of members. Our normal way to help them is to remove the list and create the list again so that the departmental staff do not need to discard the pending members one by one. This is already the best scenario if they know that it is the root cause. Since subscribing thousands of members normally will not have the normal UI page coming back (due to timeout), they often do not know that it is the cause of issue. If they repeat the steps to subscribe the members again, they will just not be able to get the job done but also make the system busier and they never know that it's already in the pending list. Is this possible to add default setting of Pre Verified during mass-subscription (for example settings.py) such that we can help them a bit? Thanks.

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Broken web UI after upgrade
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 17, 2022

Dec. 17, 2022

After upgrading MM3 and running all the post-update tasks and even re-indexing all the posts, I have ended up with a somehow "broken" hyperkitty. The archives display on a browser six, to say the least. The site is public, so I can share the link: https://list.rc.org/archives/ What should I do in order to fix this? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Slow and out-of-sequence delivery
by Gregg Roberts Dec. 17, 2022

Dec. 17, 2022

Dear Mailman Supporters, I participate in a professional forum run on Mailman. It serves a small nonprofit mutual benefit organization with possibly fewer than 50 members. Messages that I post to the forum have been taking as long as 48 hours to come back to me. The issue is not new and AFAIK no one has been messing with the settings. But the issue seems to have been becoming more and more severe in recent weeks. Perhaps because of such delays, I also sometimes see responses to other posts before I see the original post. It takes extra time to understand the context when that happens. People's time gets wasted answering questions that have already been answered without their knowledge. It's just frustrating all around. The email address from which messages are sent is not in the list of email addresses maintained in the hosting account cPanel. There seems to be one by the name "relay" that is being used by Mailman. I actually don't know which version of Mailman is installed. I'm hoping it's the more recent of the two options so I optimistically joined this particular list. The hosting service tech support can't help because they can't see the forum email address or its logs. At least that's what they say. Tech-support also tells me that they routinely do load-balancing and the server should not be excessively busy. It should certainly not take 48 hours to send an email message to 50 recipients. It shouldn't even take more than an hour, because the system is set to send messages at least once per hour -- maybe even every 10 minutes -- and the whole queue should be able to be handled in one sending cycle ... right? A contract tech support guy has suggested that it might solve a problem if we started spending $100-$150 per month on a dedicated server. I think that is a wrongheaded suggestion. If the organization had thousands of members, it would make more sense. But throwing money at the problem if something is simply not set up right, or some critical file is corrupted, is not the right solution. Set the broken bone correctly first, THEN inject stimulants and send the player back out onto the field. :-) Thanks in advance for any help! Gregg Roberts http://legalsupport-sc.com Legal Support Services of Southern California 43430 E. Florida Ave #F-293 Hemet CA 92544 951-330-4450 The information contained in this e-mail message is privileged and confidential information, intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution of copy of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 951-330-4450 or reply by e-mail and delete or discard this message.

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Error while Approving a Post Through Email
by Alex A.J. Dec. 15, 2022

Dec. 15, 2022

Hello, I have installed mailman3 (with postgresql) on Ubuntu 22.04 in a virtual environment. I can approve/discard posts from the Web UI, but when trying to approve a post through email (Approved header as the first line in reply), the following error is showing up in mailman.log: Dec 13 17:01:41 2022 (2677611) Uncaught runner exception: hash could not be identified Dec 13 17:01:41 2022 (2677611) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 272, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/runners/command.py", line 214, in _dispose status = command.process( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/eml_confirm.py", line 67, in process return self.process_held( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/eml_confirm.py", line 104, in process_held approved = Approved().check(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/rules/approved.py", line 143, in check is_valid, new_hash = config.password_context.verify(password, mpw) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/utilities/passwords.py", line 61, in verify return self._context.verify_and_update(password, hashed) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/passlib/context.py", line 2422, in verify_and_update record = self._get_or_identify_record(hash, scheme, category) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/passlib/context.py", line 2031, in _get_or_identify_record return self._identify_record(hash, category) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/passlib/context.py", line 1132, in identify_record raise exc.UnknownHashError("hash could not be identified") passlib.exc.UnknownHashError: hash could not be identified Dec 13 17:01:41 2022 (2677611) SHUNTING: 1670931101.6040337+d5806b00b2b9d03f25db396639f66f3a26516178 Any ideas? Thanks Alex.

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Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive
by Gordon Dickens Dec. 13, 2022

Dec. 13, 2022

My mailman3 installation has now been up and running successfully for several weeks without any issues and then the following error message was emailed to me by my server. What's up with this error message and what do I need to do? Thanks, Gordon -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 01:25:41 -0000 From: [1]root(a)host2.mailhub4u.com To: [2]gordon(a)mailhub4u.com Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive OperationalError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\xA4\\xA3\\xF0\\x9F...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") Request Method: POST Request URL: [3]http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=0123456 789abcdef0123456789ABCDEF Django Version: 1.11.29 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.7.3 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python37.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.7', '/usr/lib/python3.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 01:25:40 +0000 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in execute 64. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py" in execute 101. return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 250. self.errorhandler(self, exc, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in defaulterrorhandler 50. raise errorvalue File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 247. res = self._query(query) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _query 411. rowcount = self._do_query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _do_query 374. db.query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in query 292. _mysql.connection.query(self, query) The above exception ((1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\xA4\\xA3\\xF0\\x9F...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1")) was the direct cause of the following exception: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 187. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 185. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py" in inner 40. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in _decorator 69. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py" in wrapped_view 58. return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py" in archive 115. add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py" in add_to_list 151. email.save() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in save 808. force_update=force_update, update_fields=update_fields) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in save_base 838. updated = self._save_table(raw, cls, force_insert, force_update, using, update_fields) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in _save_table 924. result = self._do_insert(cls._base_manager, using, fields, update_pk, raw) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py" in _do_insert 963. using=using, raw=raw) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py" in manager_method 85. return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in _insert 1079. return query.get_compiler(using=using).execute_sql(return_id) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py" in execute_sql 1112. cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in execute 64. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/utils.py" in __exit__ 94. six.reraise(dj_exc_type, dj_exc_value, traceback) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/six.py" in reraise 685. raise value.with_traceback(tb) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py" in execute 64. return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py" in execute 101. return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 250. self.errorhandler(self, exc, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in defaulterrorhandler 50. raise errorvalue File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute 247. res = self._query(query) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _query 411. rowcount = self._do_query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in _do_query 374. db.query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in query 292. _mysql.connection.query(self, query) Exception Type: OperationalError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Exception Value: (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\xA4\\xA3\\xF0\\x9F...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: key = '0123456789abcdef0123456789ABCDEF' POST: mlist = '[4]members(a)georgiajets.org' FILES: message = <InMemoryUploadedFile: message.txt ()> COOKIES: No cookie data META: CONTENT_LENGTH = '7720' CONTENT_TYPE = 'multipart/form-data; boundary=8da553dce5f76815f62f12a1b8c0efac' CONTEXT_DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/html' CONTEXT_PREFIX = '' DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/var/www/html' GATEWAY_INTERFACE = 'CGI/1.1' HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'keep-alive' HTTP_HOST = 'localhost' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'python-requests/2.21.0' PATH = '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin' PATH_INFO = '/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive' QUERY_STRING = 'key=0123456789abcdef0123456789ABCDEF' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REMOTE_PORT = '53006' REQUEST_METHOD = 'POST' REQUEST_SCHEME = 'http' REQUEST_URI = '/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=0123456789abcdef012345678 9ABCDEF' SCRIPT_FILENAME = 'proxy:uwsgi://localhost//hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive' SCRIPT_NAME = '/mailman3' SERVER_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' SERVER_ADMIN = 'webmaster@localhost' SERVER_NAME = 'localhost' SERVER_PORT = '80' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.1' SERVER_SIGNATURE = '<address>Apache/2.4.38 (Debian) Server at localhost Port 80</address>\n' SERVER_SOFTWARE = 'Apache/2.4.38 (Debian)' uwsgi.core = 0 uwsgi.node = b'slc.mailhub4u.com' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.18-debian' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7f6a278df600> wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', '[5]gordon(a)mailhub4u.com'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['*'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = '/usr/share/mailman3-web' CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_COMPRESSOR = 'compressor.css.CssCompressor' COMPRESS_CSS_FILTERS = ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter'] COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7f6a2d586620> COMPRESS_JS_COMPRESSOR = 'compressor.js.JsCompressor' COMPRESS_JS_FILTERS = ['compressor.filters.jsmin.JSMinFilter'] COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/less', 'lessc {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/mailman3/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/mailman3/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.mysql', 'NAME': 'mailman3web', 'USER': 'mailman3web', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '', 'OPTIONS': {'init_command': "SET sql_mode='STRICT_TRANS_TABLES'"}, 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'NAME': None, 'MIRROR': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_CONTENT_TYPE = 'text/html' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = '[6]postorius(a)host2.mailhub4u.com' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAILNAME = 'host2.mailhub4u.com' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_CHARSET = 'utf-8' FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': '/var/lib/mailman3/web/fulltext_index'}} HOSTNAME = 'localhost.local' IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = "('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount')" INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler', 'filename': '/var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'INFO', 'propagate': True}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIDDLEWARE_CLASSES = ['django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware'] MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = '[7]http://localhost/mailman3/' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', 'poll': 5} ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = False SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = '[8]root(a)host2.mailhub4u.com' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/var/lib/mailman3/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/mailman3/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_ETAGS = False USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'SAMEORIGIN' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y' References 1. mailto:root@host2.mailhub4u.com 2. mailto:gordon@mailhub4u.com 3. http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=0123456789abcd… 4. mailto:members@georgiajets.org 5. mailto:gordon@mailhub4u.com 6. mailto:postorius@host2.mailhub4u.com 7. http://localhost/mailman3/ 8. mailto:root@host2.mailhub4u.com

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import an mm3 hyperkitty archive
by Eggert Ehmke Dec. 9, 2022

Dec. 9, 2022

I was able to export the archive of my old mm3 installation in hyperkitty. However, I seem to be blind when looking for hyperkitty_import in the documentation. Where to start?

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What is this EMail trying to tell me
by Martin Lorenz Dec. 9, 2022

Dec. 9, 2022

Since I rebootet my VPS yesterday I get tons of these and can't find out what's wrong. Please help. -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable: /mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/ Datum: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 04:58:15 -0000 Von: django(a)poc.im An: root@localhost Service Unavailable: /mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/ Report at /mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/ Service Unavailable: /mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/ Request Method: GET Request URL: http://list.holoclan.de/mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/ Django Version: 3.0.14 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages'] Server time: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 04:58:15 +0000 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: No cookie data META: HTTP_ACCEPT = '*/*' HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET = 'utf-8;q=0.7,iso-8859-1;q=0.2,*;q=0.1' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'close' HTTP_HOST = 'list.holoclan.de' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; DotBot/1.2; +https://opensiteexplorer.org/dotbot; help(a)moz.com)' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = '216.244.66.197' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST = 'list.holoclan.de' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO = 'http' PATH_INFO = '/mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/' QUERY_STRING = '' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_URI = '/mailman3/lists/ku-venne-2020.list.poc.im/' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = 'arda.holoclan.de' SERVER_PORT = '8000' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.0' uwsgi.core = 1 uwsgi.node = b'arda.holoclan.de' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.20' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7f8d77ae15f0> wsgi.multiprocess = True wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'http' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'root@localhost'),)" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['localhost', '127.0.0.1', 'list.holoclan.de', 'list.poc.im', 'list.lorenz.im'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = PosixPath('/opt/mailman/web') CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js': 'compressor.js.JsCompressor'} COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'css': ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter', 'compressor.filters.cssmin.rCSSMinFilter'], 'js': ['compressor.filters.jsmin.rJSMinFilter']} COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7f8d816d30d0> COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.OfflineManifestFileStorage' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailmanweb', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '5432', 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'OPTIONS': {}, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'NAME': None, 'MIRROR': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'mailman(a)list.poc.im' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_CHARSET = 'utf-8' FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420 FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH': 'fulltext_index'}} HYPERKITTY_ENABLE_GRAVATAR = True IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.WatchedFileHandler', 'filename': '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'DEBUG', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['console', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO'}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default'} ROOT_URLCONF = 'mailman_web.urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = None SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'django(a)poc.im' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [{'id': 'yahoo', 'name': 'Yahoo', 'openid_url': 'http://me.yahoo.com'}]}, 'google': {'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}}, 'facebook': {'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': ['email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone'], 'VERSION': 'v2.4'}} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/static/' TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = False USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'mailman_web.wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y'

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About mailman-core service upgrade adaptation
by 朱超 Dec. 8, 2022

Dec. 8, 2022

When i upgrade mailman-core from 3.2.2 to 3.3.7, I find some change in table, for example: hyperkitty_email、hyperkitty_thread、member、openid_openidnonce、openid_openidstore， The community have some tools to help me to upgrade?

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Problems after update to mailman 3.3.7
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) Dec. 7, 2022

Dec. 7, 2022

I've getting the most strange behaviour after update to last releases. In one of my mailman3 servers, the messages doesnt reach for some lists (the five last ones) the update have not showed any error but in the var/data for the lmtp and vmap postfix files mailman does not create aliases for that last 5 lists. Any message addressed to them is returned with a "no such user" error. If I create a new list the system or restart mailman runners it shows this error: Generating MTA alias maps /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py:799: UserWarning: Previous unbuffered result was left incomplete warnings.warn("Previous unbuffered result was left incomplete") I did a CHECK TABLE on mailinglists table but all seems ok. I tried reinstalling PyMySQL, but has no effect. (well, I tried reinstalling all) It seems to me that something is preventing creation of that aliases, an then the that last five lists are unreachable. I have no clue of what to do now and I'm driving crazy. Some direction to look for will be much apreciated. Thanks in advance. P.S.: I can access via postorius/hyperkitty to the archives of the lists that are unreacheable. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Strange messages after upgrading Mailman3
by Allan Hansen Dec. 6, 2022

Dec. 6, 2022

Hi all, I have been getting a few of these messages after my Mailman 3 was upgraded: "The content of this message was lost. It was probably cross-posted to multiple lists and previously handled on another list." The messages appear to come from list members and are distributed to the relevant lists, but with nothing of the original contents. They have appeared on different lists with, apparently different senders (unless spoofed). Other messages are going through the system unchanged. Anyone has any ideas? Yours, Allan

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Issues encountered while upgrading to 3.3.7
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 5, 2022

Dec. 5, 2022

Hello everyone, I am starting a new thread on this so that the issues I encountered do not get mixed up with the other discussions. Over the weekend I upgraded an MM3 installation to the latest versions of the components. I started off by creating a new venv, installing and then migrating the configurations and the scripts. In the end, I ended up with MM3 Core ==3.3.7, postorius==1.3.7, HyperKitty==1.3.6, django==4.1.3. 1. SQLAlchemy - At the stage where one runs 'mailman info', I encountered the first error: : sqlalchemy.exc.NoSuchModuleError: Can't load plugin: sqlalchemy.dialects:postgres This is solved by a change in mailman.cfg so that the URI starts with postgresql:// instead of postgres://. SQLAlchemy used to accept both but has removed support for the postgres name. <https://github.com/sqlalchemy/sqlalchemy/issues/6083#issuecomment-801478013> 2. Django==4.x At the point of running the post-update processes, particularly the "migrate" bit, I got the following error: : ImportError: cannot import name 'url' from 'django.conf.urls' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/conf/urls/__init__.py) I understand this is a consequence of the django.conf.urls.url() having been deprecated starting version 3 and has been removed in version 4 of Django. https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/releases/4.0/#features-removed-in-4-0 The upgrade process seems to have brought in the newer version of Django because now I have 4.1.3 up from 3.x If anyone wants, I found an elaborate explanation at https://bobbyhadz.com/blog/python-importerror-cannot-import-name-url-from-d… . My Google-fu found suggestions that in urls.py, I should import re_path and use it, or alias it for url for the migrate to work. The solution I used was to alias url to re_path, but I am considering just doing away with url altogether. Not sure which is the better option between using re_path or path. So here is the patch I have used: (venv) mailman@lists:~/mm$ diff -u urls.py.bak urls.py --- urls.py.bak 2022-12-03 12:20:28.028090659 +0300 +++ urls.py 2022-12-03 12:36:20.298875624 +0300 @@ -17,7 +17,8 @@ # Postorius. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>. -from django.conf.urls import include, url +from django.conf.urls import include +from django.urls import re_path as url from django.contrib import admin from django.urls import reverse_lazy from django.views.generic import RedirectView 3. The last issue that I encountered is one I kind of solved, but completely don't understand the consequences of the solution I applied: /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin migrate <CUT> System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: django_mailman3.MailDomain: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. django_mailman3.Profile: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Attachment: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Email: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Favorite: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.LastView: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.MailingList: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Profile: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Tag: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Tagging: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Thread: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.ThreadCategory: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. hyperkitty.Vote: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the HyperKittyConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. postorius.EmailTemplate: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the PostoriusConfig.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount </CUT> Here again, Google-fu came to the rescue. I added the following line to settings_local.py and the warnings were suppressed. DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' I need to understand how this affects everything and how this is likely to impact the functionality of MM3. What is the proper solution for this? And should it be django.db.models.BigAutoField or django.db.models.AutoField? Which is which? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Handling of spam
by Eggert Ehmke Dec. 5, 2022

Dec. 5, 2022

I have a mailing list that is open to nonmembers. Sometimes we get spam on that list. I have a working spamassassin/amavis spam filter on the system. Now comes the strange part: sometimes a spam message is put into a multi-part message and forwarded to the list owner (me). This multi-part message contains the message marked as spam, but is not marked as spam itself. The origin of those message is the bounces address of the list. So my first question is: where can those messages be generated? I can provide the message header, but it would contain a lot of details of my server. Cheers, Eggert

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Is there an easy way to set Reply-To to a lists owner?
by Martin Lorenz Dec. 4, 2022

Dec. 4, 2022

Hi again, now, that Mailman3 is running smoothly I have a new question. We have a bunch of lists, which are only used for spreading news. Now the admin of theses lists (who happens to be my wife) asked me, if it was possible to change the settings such that all replys to one of these lists can only be sent to herself (i.e. the owner address) instead of being held for moderation. I thought of setting Reply-To to something like <list-owner> by "simply" entering a Variable into this field, instead of using the admins/owners literal email-address. Is this possible? Or is there another way of achieving the goal? TNX Greetings Martin

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Weird startup problem after upgrade
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 3, 2022

Dec. 3, 2022

I am facing an odd situation in which MM3 doesn't start successfully on reboot, but I can start it manually. This is a venv install. This started after I did an upgrade (pip install --upgrade mailman postorius hyperkitty mailman-hyperkitty) followed by the requisite collectstatic|compress|compilemessages|migrate post-update commands. Secondly, it appears that the upgrade did NOT change the versions for the upgraded components - postorius=1.3.6, hyperkitty=1.3.5, Mailman Core Version=3.3.5. I was expecting the version to all bump up to the latest. Thanks in advance for any insights into what could be causing this. wash@lists:~$ systemctl status mailman3 × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: timeout) since Fri 2022-12-02 18:58:13 EAT; 9s ago CPU: 25.241s Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 114, in signal_handler Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: for atexit_call in reversed(_threading_atexits): Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 114, in signal_handler Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: raise RunnerInterrupt Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: raise RunnerInterrupt Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: mailman.interfaces.runner.RunnerInterrupt: Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: mailman.interfaces.runner.RunnerInterrupt: Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'timeout'. Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Consumed 25.241s CPU time. root@lists:/home/wash# systemctl status mailman3 × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: *failed (Result: timeout) since Fri 2022-12-02 18:58:13 EAT; 53s ago* CPU: 25.241s Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 114, in signal_handler Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: for atexit_call in reversed(_threading_atexits): Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 114, in signal_handler Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: raise RunnerInterrupt Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: raise RunnerInterrupt Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1637]: mailman.interfaces.runner.RunnerInterrupt: Dec 02 18:58:12 lists mailman[1639]: mailman.interfaces.runner.RunnerInterrupt: *Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'timeout'.Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager.Dec 02 18:58:13 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Consumed 25.241s CPU time.* root@lists:/home/wash# cd /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/ root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs# ls -al total 104948 drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 2 18:56 . drwxr-xr-x 12 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 2 18:58 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 7720631 Dec 2 18:52 access.log -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1514 Nov 28 05:58 bounce.log -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 0 Aug 15 16:56 debug.log -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 497 Dec 2 18:56 error.log -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 99339919 Dec 2 18:58 mailman.log -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Dec 2 18:53 mailmansuite.log -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 0 Aug 15 16:56 plugins.log -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 374961 Dec 2 18:56 smtp.log root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs# less error.log root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs# cd ../locks/ root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/locks# ls -al total 8 drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 2 18:58 . drwxr-xr-x 12 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 2 18:58 .. root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/locks# systemctl start mailman3 root@lists:/opt/mailman/mm/var/locks# systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-12-02 19:00:15 EAT; 11s ago Process: 2395 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 2397 (python3) Tasks: 18 (limit: 4550) Memory: 791.9M CPU: 21.440s CGroup: /system.slice/mailman3.service ├─2397 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/master -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg ├─2398 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=archive:0:1 ├─2399 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 ├─2400 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=command:0:1 ├─2401 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=in:0:1 ├─2402 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=lmtp:0:1 ├─2403 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=nntp:0:1 ├─2404 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=out:0:1 ├─2405 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=pipeline:0:1 ├─2406 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 ├─2407 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=retry:0:1 ├─2408 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=task:0:1 ├─2409 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=virgin:0:1 ├─2410 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 ├─2423 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 └─2424 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 Dec 02 19:00:13 lists systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... Dec 02 19:00:14 lists mailman[2395]: Starting Mailman's master runner Dec 02 19:00:14 lists mailman[2395]: Generating MTA alias maps *Dec 02 19:00:14 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Can't open PID file /opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid (yet?) after start: Operation not permitted* Dec 02 19:00:15 lists systemd[1]: Started GNU Mailing List Manager. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Permission denied for fulltext_index
by Jan Eden Dec. 1, 2022

Dec. 1, 2022

Hi, when trying to reattach a message thread in the Hyperkitty web interface, the following error occurs: > Internal Server Error: /archives/list/testlist@lists.eden.one/thread/T6MCILAVQYV5QIOGHJB3JNJ26Z7E2Z35/reattach-suggest > > PermissionError at /archives/list/testlist@lists.eden.one/thread/T6MCILAVQYV5QIOGHJB3JNJ26Z7E2Z35/reattach-suggest > [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'fulltext_index' The error occurs while haystack attempts to create a directory – > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 412, in search > self.setup() > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 133, in setup > os.makedirs(self.path) > File "/usr/lib/python3.10/os.py", line 225, in makedirs > mkdir(name, mode) > > Exception Type: PermissionError at /archives/list/testlist@lists.eden.one/thread/T6MCILAVQYV5QIOGHJB3JNJ26Z7E2Z35/reattach-suggest > Exception Value: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'fulltext_index' > Raised during: hyperkitty.views.thread.reattach_suggest > Request information: > USER: mailman – but the existing directory /opt/mailman/fulltext_index (and its contents) are readable and writeable by mailman:mailman: > drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Nov 27 08:00 fulltext_index/ > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4473 Nov 27 08:00 _MAIN_65.toc > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15456 Nov 27 08:00 MAIN_bc0cs2aohovftat6.seg > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15454 Nov 27 06:00 MAIN_brbo8i8edmlz0za4.seg > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15462 Nov 27 07:00 MAIN_ewnemc7lsnodd3y7.seg > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 157324 Nov 27 04:00 MAIN_qag60g1rrumshtc2.seg > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15459 Nov 27 05:00 MAIN_w6e0ohurasusy61d.seg > -rwxrwxr-x 1 mailman mailman 0 Nov 24 16:00 MAIN_WRITELOCK* I fail to see where haystack tries (and fails) to create the directory. FWIW, deleting threads is not a problem. Thanks, Jan

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Mailman web interface / uwsgi
by Jan Eden Nov. 28, 2022

Nov. 28, 2022

Hi, I followed the installation instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…, which thankfully shielded me from configuring the Django applications for the web interface manually. All Django applications (postorius, hyperkitty, haystack etc) are loaded via mailman_web/settings/base.py, which is in turn referenced by the top-level settings file in /etc/mailman3. uwsgi is linked to mailman_web via /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini. So far, so good. I do not want to dive into the interaction between the various components and just want to switch from a http socket (http-socket = 0.0.0.0:8000) to a file socket (socket = /opt/mailman/mm/var/mailman.sock). After making this change in /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini, I applied it in the nginx proxy configuration proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; → proxy_pass http://unix:/opt/mailman/mm/var/mailman.sock; and received an error message (as expected): 2022/11/25 18:39:12 [error] 2978606#2978606: *3 upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream, client: 37.201.155.65, server: lists.eden.one, request: "GET /mailman3/lists/ HTTP/2.0", upstream: "http://unix:/opt/mailman/mm/var/mailman.sock:/mailman3/lists/", host: "lists.eden.one" There are obviously a couple of places where the http-socket on port 8000 is referenced (e.g. mailman_web/settings/mailman.py, /opt/mailman/mm/hyperkitty.cfg). Is there an overview of the required changes when using a different (file) socket? Related question: My own (much simpler) Django applications use the following (e.g. in mysite_nginx.conf): upstream django { server unix:///private/tmp/mysite.sock; } location / { uwsgi_pass django; } instead of the "http://unix:/..." notation I tried for Mailman above. Is there any difference between the upstream/uwsgi_pass combination and the proxy_pass variant? Thanks, Jan

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Default list styles
by Jan Eden Nov. 27, 2022

Nov. 27, 2022

Hi, the list creation web interface offers three list styles (announce, ordinary, ordinary w/ private archive). When selecting the announce style, I would expect a different default message acceptance setting for members (i.e. reject), because this is how an announce list should work. In practice, a list created with the announce style is configured just as an ordinary mailing list (as far as I can see in the web interface, and according to the handling of a test message sent by a regular member of an announce list). What am I missing here? - Jan

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Mailman3 not able to deliver emails sent through list, but moderation notifications
by Daniel Böhmer Nov. 27, 2022

Nov. 27, 2022

Hello Mailman users, I've been using Mailman2 for 10+ years and have recently upgraded to Debian Buster with Mailman3. I've tried to setup Mailman3 similarly but it fails to deliver emails sent through a list. I do receive all moderation notifications at the same time. During startup /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log receives: > Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 but I've made sure postfix is listening on *:25 for both IPv4 and IPv6. When sending a message to a list the same file receives: > Nov 25 11:38:14 2022 (70371) ACCEPT: <MESSAGEID@HOST> (message ID and host redacted) and nothing else happens: no more log messages, Postfix logs the email sent TO Mailman but doesn't log anything about emails sent BY Mailman. If Mailman fails to send emails via Postfix I'd expect it to log error messages but it doesn't seem to do so. I found this article stating the the SMTP error message might be misleading: https://blog.tfiu.de/mailman3-cannot-connect-to-smtp-server-localhost-on-po… How to further debug this? What could be wrong with my Mailman3 instance and how to fix it? Kind regards Daniel Böhmer

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MTA authentication and smtpd_sender_login_maps
by Jan Eden Nov. 25, 2022

Nov. 25, 2022

Hi, I installed Mailman3 successfully and would like to change the default smtp settings to an authenticated connection (smtp_user, smtp_pass). But my Postfix configuration restricts sending messages via the smtpd_sender_login_maps directive (which points to a hashed file I created years ago) and correctly refuses connections for messages with the test mailing list's From header. I obviously do not want to add an entry to the map file for each mailing list created by someone on the server. Is there a way to programmatically create a sender login map with Mailman? Thanks, Jan

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Hyperkitty no longer archiving
by Hirayama, Pat Nov. 23, 2022

Nov. 23, 2022

Greetings, A couple of months ago, I needed to move the Mailman3 server I inherited from one AWS account to another AWS account. This necessitated a change in the IP address of instance hosting the docker containers that comprise my mailman3 server. I thought I had updated the IP address wherever it needed to be, but I suppose I've missed something, because hyperkitty has not been archiving any messages. (Most of my lists don't archive, so it took a while before someone noticed). When I look at /opt/mailman/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool, I see messages dating back over the past couple of months waiting to be archived. So, they don't appear to be lost (and things are being mailed out normally). The thing is, the IP addresses of the docker containers haven't changed with respect to docker networking. docker networking ------------------------ docker host 172.31.0.1 mailman-core 172.31.0.3 mailman-nginx 172.31.0.5 mailman-postfix 172.31.0.4 mailman-django-uwsgi 172.31.0.2 settings_local.py: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('172.18.8.14', '172.31.0.1', '172.31.0.2', '172.31.0.3', '172.31.0.4', '172.31.0.5', '127.0.0.1', '::1') During troubleshooting, I added 172.18.8.14 (new IP of the webserver), but that didn't seem to help. It seems like I added one of the docker addresses that was missing .... but again, that doesn't seem to have fixed the issue. mailmansuite.log is full of: ERROR 2022-11-22 00:25:40,365 7 hyperkitty.views.mailman Access to the archiving API endpoint was forbidden from IP 172.31.0.1, your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting may be misconfigured ERROR 2022-11-22 00:25:40,399 7 hyperkitty.views.mailman Access to the archiving API endpoint was forbidden from IP 172.31.0.1, your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting may be misconfigured Any suggestions as to where I might look for a solution, or what setting I need to change? Thanks! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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Upgrading a Ubuntu Mailman 3 Installation
by Allan Hansen Nov. 21, 2022

Nov. 21, 2022

Dear Mailman 3 wizards, Several years ago I tried upgrading to Mailman 3 (I did install Mailman 2), but quickly ran into a thicket too complex for me to get out of. Two others - way more experienced than me at system-level manipulations - tried as well but did not succeed. Brian Carpenter of EMWD installed the system seemingly effortlessly, and seemingly overnight. We had a good relationship, and I was a beta site for his new product, SAAS. Brian also did the system MM3 upgrades as they appeared and would check that all was well a couple of times a year. Unfortunately, and I respect that, the current management at EMWD "don't provide working hands service for foreign Mailman 3 installations." I do not dare touch it, based on my earlier attempts with the installation. With Brian's passing I'm thus faced with a system that has no capable system support (I manage the lists, not the core). I have 50+ lists with 10000+ subscription total, and a lot of people depend on this tool. (It's a non-profit organization). So, I'm interesting in hiring someone for part-time, occasional work (a few times a year). Update MM3 as new versions are made available. Diagnose and fix the system if anything goes awry. I will pay you, as I did Brian, out of my own pocket, for your time. Yours, Allan Hansen

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Migrating to mailman-web and Ubuntu 22.04
by Andrew Hodgson Nov. 16, 2022

Nov. 16, 2022

Hi. For various reasons I want to migrate to a larger host running Ubuntu 22.04. I have set up the various packages ok and as part of the migration I want to use mailman-web instead of mailman-suite which is an older setup. I have instructions for Mailman-web for setting up Uwsgi but I would prefer to keep Gunicorn working as per the instructions here: DOC/Mailman 3 installation experience - Mailman Wiki (list.org)<https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience> Has anyone done this before? Thanks. Andrew.

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New Mailman Core Release
by Mark Sapiro Nov. 15, 2022

Nov. 15, 2022

We are pleased to announce the release of Mailman core 3.3.7. It is published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ The change log is at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… - please note the `BREAKING CHANGE` documented there and due to our now using SQLAlchemy >-1.4. Finally, the minimum Python version required is 3.7 although, 3.9 is recommended if you are doing a new install for longest support. 3.10 is supported for Django apps, but Mailman Core is missing that due to one of the core dependencies (aiosmtpd) not supporting 3.10 yet. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Do not display any lists on index the page (/postorius/lists/) by default (when you create the list it defaults to Hide) - Debian package install
by daniel.botting＠codethink.co.uk Nov. 11, 2022

Nov. 11, 2022

Hi all, I am currently in the process of moving from mailman 2.1 to mailman 3, the basic functions are completed (mailing list and archiving). On our current mailman 2.1 install it advises there are no publicly advertised lists, when I visit mailman3-list.domain/postorius/lists/ I see all the lists that have been created, I require them not to be displayed. I know when you create a list you can on the 'Advertise this list' line select 'Hide this list in list index', but I would like it to default to this in case somebody forgets to select it. I am not a Python expert, though from the description at the top of the below file and the contents further down it looks like you are defining in base.py and then in default.py you are using what was defined, a class of 'Private' which should cause the lists not to be advertised, but they are? File: /usr/ib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/base.py class Private: """Settings for private mailing lists.""" def apply(self, mailing_list): mlist = mailing_list mlist.advertised = False <-------------- mlist.archive_policy = ArchivePolicy.private mlist.subscription_policy = SubscriptionPolicy.confirm_then_moderate File: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/default.py class PrivateDefaultStyle( Identity, BasicOperation, Bounces, Private, Discussion, Moderation): """Style for mailing-lists with private archives.""" name = 'private-default' description = _('Discussion mailing list style with private archives.') def apply(self, mailing_list): """See `IStyle`.""" Identity.apply(self, mailing_list) BasicOperation.apply(self, mailing_list) Bounces.apply(self, mailing_list) Private.apply(self, mailing_list) Discussion.apply(self, mailing_list) Moderation.apply(self, mailing_list) I added the below to /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg: [styles] # The default style to apply if nothing else was requested. The value is the # name of an existing style. If no such style exists, no style will be # applied. default: private-default I took 'private-default' from /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/default.py, this means now when a new list is created the List style is 'Discussion mail list style with private archives so it is not displayed when you are logged out at /hyperkitty. Many thanks Daniel

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Re: MM3.3 ignores
by Axel Rau Nov. 8, 2022

Nov. 8, 2022

Am 08.11.2022 um 09:14 schrieb Axel Rau <Axel.Rau(a)chaos1.de>: > Am 08.11.2022 um 08:11 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>: > > > What is /var/templates now? I.e., is it a symlink to /usr/local/mailman3/var/templates? what does `ls -l /var/templates` (no slash at the end) show? > It does not exist. No directory, no link. Maybe I remember it wrong. Axel PS: Can I send posts with attachments to this list? My last posting didn’t make it. --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

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MM3.3 ignores
by Axel Rau Nov. 8, 2022

Nov. 8, 2022

Hi all, mm 3.3.5 started to complain: - - - File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 142, in load self.push(filename, user_config.read()) File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 148, in push self._post_process() File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 160, in _post_process self.ensure_directories_exist() File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 253, in ensure_directories_exist makedirs(directory) File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 69, in makedirs os.makedirs(path, mode) File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs mkdir(name, mode) PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates‘ - - - part from mailman.cfg: - - - [paths.dev] var_dir: $cfg_file/../.. [paths.here] var_dir: $cwd/var [paths.fhs] bin_dir: /usr/local/bin var_dir: /var/lib/mailman queue_dir: /var/spool/mailman log_dir: /var/log/mailman lock_dir: /var/spool/lock/mailman etc_dir: /usr/local/etc ext_dir: /usr/local/etc/mailman.d pid_file: /var/run/mailman/master.pid [paths.home] var_dir: /usr/local/mailman3 - - - var subdirectory: - - - (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33]# ls -l /usr/local/mailman3/var/ total 62 drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 3 18 Jan. 2022 archives drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 2 18 Jan. 2022 cache drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 2 18 Jan. 2022 data drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 4 2 Feb. 2022 etc drwxr-xr-x 6 mailman mailman 6 19 Jan. 2022 lists drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 2 5 Nov. 17:48 locks drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 7 18 Jan. 2022 logs drwxr-xr-x 155 mailman mailman 155 24 Okt. 09:09 messages drwxr-xr-x 3 root mailman 3 14 Juni 17:57 old_templates drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman 14 18 Jan. 2022 queue drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 3 18 Jan. 2022 templates # ls -ld /usr/local/mailman3 drwxr-xr-x 11 mailman mailman 24 24 März 2022 /usr/local/mailman3 - - - I’m confused with the layout (and I dont like var stuff not in var). I have no layout set. Why does it not see /usr/local/mailman3/var/templates ? Any help apprecaiated Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

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