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Default templates
by Steve Brown Nov. 10, 2023

Nov. 10, 2023

I'm new to this list and newly a Mailman list administrator. I know I can customize message templates and have done so for my list's Welcome message. My problem is knowing what I'm replacing when I create a "new" template. How/where can I see he default content? Steve Brown

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user disabled other problems
by Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione territoriale di Brescia Nov. 6, 2023

Nov. 6, 2023

Good morning, I have to understand something more about disabled users. I renabled some users, but they continue to non teceive the newsletter. Is there a more detailed log that I can analize to discover dis problem? Thank you -- Roberto Burceni Servizio informatico sezionale Tel. 0302209417 (lunedì e giovedì mattina dalle 9:00 alle 13:00, martedì emercoledì pomeriggio dalle 14:00 alle 18:00 E-mail: servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it Sito web: https://www.uicibrescia.it

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Template - "You can use these variables in the templates" - The variable for "leave" is missing
by Wikinaut Nov. 4, 2023

Nov. 4, 2023

The current template input page shows this text: You can use these variables in the templates. $hyperkitty_url: Permalink to archived message in Hyperkitty $listname: Name of the Mailing List e.g. ant(a)example.com $list_id: The List-ID header e.g. ant.example.com $display_name: Display name of the mailing list e.g. Ant $short_listname: Local part of the listname e.g. ant $domain: The domain part of the listname e.g. example.com $info: The mailing list's longer descriptive text $request_email: The email address for -request address $owner_email: The email address for -owner address $site_email: The email address to reach the owners of the site $language: The two letter language code for list's preferred language e.g. fr, en, de I suggest to add the variable for leaving a mailing list here. But what is the variable name?

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Mailman 3 deployment: ok to use same database instance for core, web, and hyperkitty tables?
by s.dobrau＠ucl.ac.uk Nov. 4, 2023

Nov. 4, 2023

Hello, We are currently working on a migration plan for Mailman -> Mailman 3. We have around over 3000 mailing lists with a total of 50K members and 500 worth of archived data. Our plan is to have core+web (instance 1) and Hyperkitty (instance 2). With the archives on the FS local to the Hyperkitty. And all 3 tables (core, web, Hyperkitty) pointing to the same database on a remote SQL (mysql-enterprise) instance. Using class mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase (and whatever necessary on the Django/Hyperkitty instance). Is this feasible, if so what would be the recommended compute/storage requirements. If not what other alternatives have we got ? A remote or local PostgreSQL instance is also possible if recommended. Thank you very much in advance and all the best ! Regards, Serban

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Immediate notification to the administrator
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat Nov. 2, 2023

Nov. 2, 2023

Hello In Mailman, I have all the lists marked with the "Immediate notification to the administrator" option. Should list moderators receive immediate notification of new requests as well as daily reminders about the pending ones? List moderators (and list administrators) receive daily reminders of pending requests for approval, such as subscriptions to a moderated list or submissions that are held for some reason. Enabling this option results in immediate notifications being sent upon the arrival of new requests. When there's a message being held because it needs approval, it automatically sends an email to the list owners. However, it also states that it sends a daily reminder if the email remains unapproved, but it's not doing that. I'll show you how I have /etc/postfix/transport configured. I receive the first "owner" email, but not the daily one. list-owner(a)llistes.csuc.cat relay:[ip]:25 list(a)llistes.csuc.cat .. list-admin(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-bounces(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-confirm(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-join(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-leave(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-request(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-subscribe(a)llistes.csuc.cat ...

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Weird behavior with Outlook and any MM3 List
by Thomas Ward Nov. 1, 2023

Nov. 1, 2023

I'm seeing some *really* odd behavior with Mailman 3 and Microsoft Outlook clients (even Outlook Web Access). When messages come in with a subject prefix, of any way shape or form, Microsoft Outlook seems to *completely strip* the prefixes from any "reply" sent, which could be problematic. While the "In-Reply-To" header is still intact and such, Microsoft just seems to 'strip' prefixes from subject lines and that causes a problem in some cases. Has anyone observed this behavior before? If so, have you found any workarounds? Thomas

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Reduction of spam - FROM_LOCAL_HEX
by Kyriakos Terzopoulos Oct. 31, 2023

Oct. 31, 2023

Hi, After fixing all issues with mailman I want to reduce the chance for email being marked as spam, especially from Gmail. I have added SPF and DKIM records and I am now using dkimvalidator to debug the emails being sent. Here is what I'm getting from spam evaluation: *0.3 FROM_LOCAL_HEX From: localpart has long hexadecimal sequence* My guess is that the From address is very large, for example: mylist-confirm+3eafa5bd24e52738c900e2e3fd05e366b7ea7580(a)myproject.eu Is there any way to mitigate this problem? Thank you, *Kyriakos Terzopoulos* Web developer / e-learning expert *Tel:*+30 211 213 9858 *Mobile:* +30 694 526 4512 * E-mail: *kyriakos.terzopoulos(a)gmail.com * Skype:* kyriakos.terzopoulos Find me on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/cirrus3d> Follow me on Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/cirrus3d>

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psycopg2 error?
by Odhiambo Washington Oct. 30, 2023

Oct. 30, 2023

This is the first time I am seeing this with MM3 so maybe it's something new in the latest releases? Using the virtualenv method to install MM3 in a fresh Debian 12 VM, I have run into an error while starting the mailman3 service. I cannot figure out what this error means. <CUT> root@debian12:/home/wash# systemctl status mailman3.service × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Thu 2023-10-26 09:36:41 EAT; 8s ago Process: 1893842 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) CPU: 789ms Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: dbapi = dbapi_meth(**dbapi_args) Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py", line 690, in import_dbapi Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: import psycopg2 Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 51, in <module> Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. </CUT> No log entry in any of the log files in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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disabled users
by Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione territoriale di Brescia Oct. 27, 2023

Oct. 27, 2023

Hello, Wher I find the disabled user of a mailing list and wher I can reactivate them? I do not find this nor in web interface neither in command line utility. Thank you best regards -- Roberto Burceni Servizio informatico sezionale Tel. 0302209417 (lunedì e giovedì mattina dalle 9:00 alle 13:00, martedì emercoledì pomeriggio dalle 14:00 alle 18:00 E-mail: servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it Sito web: https://www.uicibrescia.it

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(Custom) Plugins: Proper file path(s) for adding a handler?
by Thomas Ward Oct. 25, 2023

Oct. 25, 2023

I want to add a custom handler that implements customized thread IDs in the system. I already have the DB logic worked out, but the documentation for plugins is NOT clear on how to define a handler in a plugin, nor does the example plugin in the documentation on Gitlab have any custom handlers. I'm looking to add a custom handler so that the private pipeline for threaded-subject-list can use thread-subject (the custom handler) instead of subject-prefix (builtin). I'm unclear how to add this properly in a plugin that would be read properly by Mailman, though. Any tips on the filestructure needed for the Python code/plugin package in order to properly be set up and work? Thomas

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rDNS issue? Helo name contains an IP address (HELO was [127.0.0.1]) and not is valid
by Kyriakos Terzopoulos Oct. 25, 2023

Oct. 25, 2023

Hi all, I'm on the latest mailman installation in a HestiaCP server. The past few days I have been investigating some spam issues and by using dkimvalidator.com I found the following: 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager* 3.2 HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR Relay HELO'd using suspicious hostname (IP addr 1)* Note the last line on the above debug information which raises the spam score of the email. Some research showed me that I needed a rDNS entry in my server. I'm on a Hetzner cloud VM so I used the Hetzner console to change the rDNS entry from: static.XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX.clients.your-server.de to my initial server hostname for example: *hestia.myserver.com <http://hestia.myserver.com>* However, after some propagation, I found today that even though I can send email to any normal address created in the server's control panel, mailing list emails do not get sent. I see the following in the logs: Mailman SMTP log: Oct 24 14:17:47 2023 (3759611) <169814622178.3759638.4589434779084932533@localhost> *response exception: (550, b'Helo name contains an IP address (HELO was [127.0.0.1]) and not is valid'*, 'testlist-bounces+myusername=myproject.eu(a)myproject.eu') Oct 24 14:17:47 2023 (3759611) <169814622178.3759638.4589434779084932533@localhost> smtp to testlist(a)myproject.eu for 1 recips, completed in 45.07745146751404 seconds Oct 24 14:17:47 2023 (3759611) <169814622178.3759638.4589434779084932533@localhost> post to testlist(a)myproject.eu from testlist-confirm+07d3315fa11a75588857fc93d1832ba74fb09fdd(a)myproject.eu, 1633 bytes, 1 failures Oct 24 14:17:47 2023 (3759611) <169814622178.3759638.4589434779084932533@localhost> delivery to myusername(a)myproject.eu failed with code 550, b*'Helo name contains an IP address (HELO was [127.0.0.1]) and not is valid'* Exim4 log: 2023-10-24 14:17:47 H=([127.0.0.1]) [XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX] rejected MAIL <testlist-bounces+myusername=myproject.eu(a)myproject.eu>: *Helo name contains an IP address (HELO was [127.0.0.1]) and not is valid* The weird thing is that when I do a mailman-web sendtestemail this email is sent successfully. Also please note that before the rDNS change I did not have an issue with mail sending. Last but not least, after some search I set in Exim4 the following: PRIMARY_HOST_NAME = *hestia.myserver.com <http://hestia.myserver.com>* Any help would be greatly appreciated. *Kyriakos Terzopoulos *Web developer / e-learning expert *Tel:*+30 211 213 9858 *Mobile:* +30 694 526 4512 * E-mail: *kyriakos.terzopoulos(a)gmail.com * Skype:* kyriakos.terzopoulos Find me on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/cirrus3d> Follow me on Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/cirrus3d>

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Without being logged in, at least one mailing list - flagged as no-show - is listed in https://mydomain/hyperkitty/
by Wikinaut Oct. 25, 2023

Oct. 25, 2023

The list is not yet used (i.e. "inactive"), but clearly flagged as " Show list on index page = no" I regard this as a bug.

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More Mailman releases!
by Abhilash Raj Oct. 24, 2023

Oct. 24, 2023

Hello Everyone, I am pleased to announce several new releases for GNU Mailman project. Thanks to all the contributors for making these releases possible! 1. Postorius 1.3.10 [1] 2. Hyperkitty 1.3.8 [2] 3. Django-mailman3 1.3.10 [3] 4. Mailman-web 0.0.7 [4] All the releases are published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ A full list of change logs are available below: [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-10 [2]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-8 [3]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst [4]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/blob/master/README.rst Do note that for Postorius, I released 1.3.9, but I forgot to update dependency metadata to require `django-mailman3>=1.3.10` (which is required for the new bootstrap 5 upgrade across packages) and so I also released Postorius 1.3.10 just after. Installation documentation is available at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html and if you are upgrading an existing virtualenv install you can refer https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html If you find any issues, you can report them at the respective bug tracker for the projects. The links to issue trackers are available at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/. Finally, similar to Mailman Core, note that PyPI doesn't accept signatures anymore so each packages' release page now has the tarball uploaded to them along with the signature: Django-mailman3: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/releases/v1.3.10 Hyperkitty: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/releases/v1.3.8 Postorius: https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/releases/v1.3.10 Mailman-web: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/releases/0.0.7 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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120 gmail users removed from lists !
by elemac＠free.fr Oct. 24, 2023

Oct. 24, 2023

Hello, on 15th October, 120 users with gmail address where suddenly removed from lists in mailman3, something changed in google ?

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Gmail bounces as a result to high send rate
by Mohsen Masoudfar Oct. 24, 2023

Oct. 24, 2023

I managed to receive the bounced emails to my mailbox and I can now see the stated reason for th eissue, the bulk of the emails are marked as "expired" due to the following response: "smtp; Message expired: unable to deliver in 840 minutes.< Our system has detected an unusual rate of unsolicited mail. To protect our users from spam, mail has been temporarily rate limited. Please visit https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError to review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines." The issue is exclusive to Gmail, no other email provider responded with a comparable message. I followed their recommendation, but I am not sure how to reduce the rate on Postfix side. Can I do it per list? or once per server? Thanks.

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Internal Server Error: /mailman/accounts/fedora/login/
by Kilian Kilger Oct. 24, 2023

Oct. 24, 2023

Hi mailing list, I own a mailman box. I regularily (many times a day) get mail with an internal server error. I am using Debian and the included mailman3-full package. I guess someone tries to hack my instance. But I don't understand why this leads to the internal server error. I am also wondering why the request URL is /mailman/accounts/fedora/login, as I am using Debian (understandable if the request happens via an outside trigger). I have no clue about the internal workings of mailman though. I use Debian 11 bullseye and thus version 3.3.3. I can trigger the internal server error by myself by visiting the request URL. Despite these emails the instance seems to work fine. Best regards, Kilian. Internal Server Error: /mailman/accounts/fedora/login/ TypeError at /accounts/fedora/login/ _openid_consumer() missing 2 required positional arguments: 'provider' and 'endpoint' Request Method: GET Request URL: <URL>/mailman/accounts/fedora/login/?process=login&next=/mailman/accounts/password/reset/ Django Version: 2.2.24 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.9/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3.9/dist-packages'] Server time: Fr, 17 Sep 2021 06:12:57 +0000 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in view 71. return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in dispatch 97. return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in get 56. return self.post(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in post 67. client = _openid_consumer(request) Exception Type: TypeError at /accounts/fedora/login/ Exception Value: _openid_consumer() missing 2 required positional arguments: 'provider' and 'endpoint' Request information: USER: AnonymousUser

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General question mailman3: message sender acceptance "always"
by Wikinaut Oct. 23, 2023

Oct. 23, 2023

I received one mail from a sender who's not a member for moderation (=ok). Mailman2 had the moderation option "allow this sender to sender further mails" (I call this: to add this sender to the additional "white list" of white-listed addresses.) I could not find such an option (in the moderation dialog) in Mailman3 (only "accept" or "reject" and "discard", but "accept and add to white-list = accept always"). Is it a bug or feature?

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pip install -U mysqlclient
by Odhiambo Washington Oct. 23, 2023

Oct. 23, 2023

Hello everyone, After successfully updating my MM3 venv install, I thought I could also keep everything else up to date. One app refuses - mysqlclient. All the rest did update. PS: I have a full backup of the venv so no worries there :) <CUT> (venv) [mailman@gw /opt/mailman/mm]$ pip install -U mysqlclient Requirement already satisfied: mysqlclient in ./venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages (2.1.1) Collecting mysqlclient Using cached mysqlclient-2.2.0.tar.gz (89 kB) Installing build dependencies ... done Getting requirements to build wheel ... error error: subprocess-exited-with-error × Getting requirements to build wheel did not run successfully. │ exit code: 1 ╰─> [25 lines of output] Trying pkg-config --exists mysqlclient Command 'pkg-config --exists mysqlclient' returned non-zero exit status 1. Trying pkg-config --exists mariadb Command 'pkg-config --exists mariadb' returned non-zero exit status 1. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pyproject_hooks/_in_process/_in_process.py", line 353, in <module> main() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pyproject_hooks/_in_process/_in_process.py", line 335, in main json_out['return_val'] = hook(**hook_input['kwargs']) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pyproject_hooks/_in_process/_in_process.py", line 118, in get_requires_for_build_wheel return hook(config_settings) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/tmp/pip-build-env-usp5tphe/overlay/lib/python3.11/site-packages/setuptools/build_meta.py", line 355, in get_requires_for_build_wheel return self._get_build_requires(config_settings, requirements=['wheel']) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/tmp/pip-build-env-usp5tphe/overlay/lib/python3.11/site-packages/setuptools/build_meta.py", line 325, in _get_build_requires self.run_setup() File "/tmp/pip-build-env-usp5tphe/overlay/lib/python3.11/site-packages/setuptools/build_meta.py", line 341, in run_setup exec(code, locals()) File "<string>", line 154, in <module> File "<string>", line 48, in get_config_posix File "<string>", line 27, in find_package_name Exception: Can not find valid pkg-config name. Specify MYSQLCLIENT_CFLAGS and MYSQLCLIENT_LDFLAGS env vars manually [end of output] note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip. error: subprocess-exited-with-error × Getting requirements to build wheel did not run successfully. │ exit code: 1 ╰─> See above for output. note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip. </CUT> -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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no access to Postorius web pages after upgrade
by David Newman Oct. 22, 2023

Oct. 22, 2023

Upgrading to MM3 3.39, Postorius 1.3.10, Hyperkitty, 1.3.8, Django-mailman3 1.3.11, and Mailman-web 0.0.8 in a venv all seemed to go OK. Mailman3 lists work as expected, and admins can log in via Django. However, any attempt to reach lists, domains, users, etc. now returns a 404 Not Found error. All the Postorius stuff worked as expected before the upgrade. In the nginx server logs, any Hyperkitty and Postorius URLs are now appended to /opt/www/roundcubemail, which is this web server's root directory but not the root for Mailman3 (I run Roundcubemail and MM3 on the same server; don't judge me :-). Here is the nginx error, with obfuscation of client and server info: 2023/10/22 10:43:24 [error] 2264140#2264140: *135 "/opt/www/roundcubemail/postorius/domains/index.php" is not found (2: No such file or directory), client: 1.2.3.4, server: lists.example.com, request: "GET /postorius/domains/ HTTP/2.0", host: "lists.example.com", referrer: "https://lists.example.com/mailman3/listinfo" And here are the relevant bits of the Nginx config. Again, this worked before the upgrade. server { listen 443 ssl http2; server_name lists.example.com; root /opt/www/roundcubemail; # begin mailman3 stuff location /static/ { alias /opt/mailman/web/static/; } location /mailman3/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /archives/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /accounts/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /admin/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /mailman/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /user-profile/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } # end mailman3 stuff } Also, I'm not sure if it's relevant but after upgrading, the migrate command throws a warning like this: (venv) mailman@mail10:~$ mailman-web migrate System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: account.EmailAddress: (models.W036) MariaDB does not support unique constraints with conditions. HINT: A constraint won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. account.EmailAddress: (models.W043) MariaDB does not support indexes on expressions. HINT: An index won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: No migrations to apply. Thanks in advance for clues on getting all Postorius/Django links working again. dn

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[migration] to a another server - one year database apparently lacks fields for newer mailman3/django suite
by Wikinaut Oct. 22, 2023

Oct. 22, 2023

As suggested by @Mark last week, I exported my databases mailman3, mailman2web of what was mailman 3.3.0 (or so) and imported these on my new working system. Apparently, a database migration step is needed to run the new mailman3 with some older databases: because when I want to login to view my mailing lists, I got "An error occurred while processing your request." in the web. Log files and error mail messages say inter alia: Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ OperationalError at /accounts/login/ (1054, "Unknown column 'socialaccount_socialapp.provider_id' in 'field list'" and Internal Server Error: /archives/ OperationalError at /archives/ (1054, "Unknown column 'hyperkitty_mailinglist.archive_rendering_mode' in 'field list'") Please can you assist: How can I add the missing tables, is there an update script (running "python migrate.py" was not fixing this).

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New messages are not archived - may be a path issue
by Wikinaut Oct. 21, 2023

Oct. 21, 2023

(I read thoroughly https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… "New messages not being archived", but could not find what's wrong on my machine.) This is what I found in /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log : HyperKitty failure on https://mail.opteryx.org/mailman3/archives/api/mailman/archive: This page either doesn't exist, or it moved somewhere else. I have double checked all settings in the /etc/mailman3/ configuration files and are not able to get message archived. There is not REST error message any more, but perhaps a problem with the paths. I have no idea any more where to fix this.

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(venv) mailman-web migrate (as explained) fails with "django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE"
by Wikinaut Oct. 21, 2023

Oct. 21, 2023

I followed all single steps until this: https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-migrat… (I will improve the documentation with the missing parts later today), Now I got this and got stucked and need your help: django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE full stack: (venv) mailman@mail:/run$ mailman-web migrate Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) ^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 37, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 420, in execute django.setup() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 24, in setup apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/apps/registry.py", line 124, in populate app_config.ready() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/allauth/account/apps.py", line 15, in ready raise ImproperlyConfigured( django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE

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[Bug] Archiver: when deleting an archive, the control flow is lost (return-to should go to https://example.com/archives/ but does not)
by Wikinaut Oct. 21, 2023

Oct. 21, 2023

How to reproduce: When deleting an archive, the confirmation page for the requested delete action is (correct) https://example.com/archives/list/test@example.com/delete/ When you now click the button DELETE, then the web control flow ist lost. BUG Instead of https://example.com/archives/ the https://example.com is shown, which appears to be a bug. REMARK: The archive-to-be-deleted was indeed deleted. This behaviour was observed with both installations on a fresh server: - debian12 install (package mailman3-full) ; and - venv install (recommended on your page)

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Message of migrated list showing "unsubscribe@%(host_name)s" in footer
by alex＠presland.net Oct. 21, 2023

Oct. 21, 2023

Apologies if I've not found a previous post for this; I did look before starting a new thread. We migrated a number of mailman lists last weekend and I spotted this evening that an email from the list contained a footer along the lines of the following (all bits in CAPITALS were successfully representing the list. ===== LISTNAME mailing-list -- LISTNAME@DOMAIN To unsubscribe, email LISTNAME-unsubscribe@%(host_name)s ===== 1) I don't know why %(host_name)s hasn't been automagically substituted 2) I can't find anywhere to change this footer in the Mailman3 Postorius interface

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After importing my old databases, the mail local_recipient map is suddenly not working any more
by Wikinaut Oct. 20, 2023

Oct. 20, 2023

After importing old databases everythimng looks fine now. But the mail local_recipient maps are not working (/etc/postfix/main.cf looks fine, as before, and postfix was restarted). Mails to test(a)example.org rejected with Error 550 Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table /* as in your installation guide */ transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains The files appears to be present: /var/lib/mailman3/data# dir 4 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 339 Oct 20 21:13 postfix_domains 8 -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Oct 20 21:13 postfix_domains.db 4 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 2714 Oct 20 21:13 postfix_lmtp 12 -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Oct 20 21:13 postfix_lmtp.db What else is needed to get the list-addresses working and not rejected? It worked before the import.

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Memory issues on a small server with 2 GB RAM - Question: Has anyone a similar server up and running with mailman3 ?
by Wikinaut Oct. 20, 2023

Oct. 20, 2023

I see that about every 15 minutes (or later), tasks are killed by the systems OOM-Killer (out-of-memory). Is there something wrong with the current Tom Sawyer version, or is this specific server's memory size too low? Remark: I already reduced the mariadb innodb-buffer pool to ~100 MB (because mariadb got killed now and then before this change). Now it is our lovely mailman3 which got killed as the program with the largest memory footprint... Any idea?

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Mailman Core 3.3.9 Release
by Abhilash Raj Oct. 20, 2023

Oct. 20, 2023

Hello Everyone, Mailman 3.3.9 is now published to PyPI! Thanks to everyone who helped make this release possible. Minimum supported Python version for this release is 3.9, we had to drop support for 3.7 & 3.8 due to incompatibilities with importlib-resources package. Maximum Python version supported right now is 3.11, we haven't yet added 3.12 to CI, so un-sure if there are any errors there. The full change log for the release can be found in the docs as usual: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… You can download the release via PyPI or via Gitlab Release: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/releases/v3.3.9 For those of you who need to verify signatures for packages, PyPI doesn't allow publishing signatures anymore so I pushed them to Gitlab Releases along with a copy of the same tarball uploaded to PyPI. I'll be working on the release for the web components tomorrow. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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[Older bug, but still unsolved] When deleting one or more threads in an archive, django send error mails (based upon "Thread matching query does not exist")
by Wikinaut Oct. 20, 2023

Oct. 20, 2023

I installed the venv version to scrutizine whether this old bug is still present (yes it is). How to reproduce: Delete one thread in via the archive - thread - view page. Remark: Thread is deleted as wanted. However, django complains via several (here: two) error mails: 1st mail: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/list/test(a)example.com/top-threads Internal Server Error: /archives/list/test(a)example.com/top-threads DoesNotExist at /archives/list/test(a)example.com/top-threads Thread matching query does not exist. ... 2nd mail: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/list/test(a)example.com/posted-to Internal Server Error: /archives/list/test(a)example.com/posted-to DoesNotExist at /archives/list/test(a)example.com/posted-to Thread matching query does not exist. ... I wish to fix this problem, how can I help, what can I do? Do you need the full error stack?

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Mailman3 Development Related List?
by Thomas Ward Oct. 20, 2023

Oct. 20, 2023

I have some technical questions around custom plugins for Mailman3, related to DB access, etc. within a specific custom plugin. Is there a dedicated list for that, or is this list proper for such questions? Namely, I'm searching for more information regarding existing interfaces, etc. that're exposed from different mailman.* python components and whether we can utilize those without having to implement extra psycopg2 instances/connectivity, etc. but don't want to bombard the users list with technical chatter unless it's intended to be used that way. Thomas

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mailman3 and bookworm
by Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione territoriale di Brescia Oct. 19, 2023

Oct. 19, 2023

Hello, Have you experience in installation of mailman3-full on bookworm? I tried to install it but it returns many errors of python. Thank you -- Roberto Burceni Servizio informatico sezionale Tel. 0302209417 (lunedì e giovedì mattina dalle 9:00 alle 13:00, martedì emercoledì pomeriggio dalle 14:00 alle 18:00 E-mail: servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it Sito web: https://www.uicibresci

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Moving mm3 -> mm3 to different host
by Axel Rau Oct. 19, 2023

Oct. 19, 2023

Hi all, There are lots of threads for mm2 -> mm3 moves, but only one thread mm3 -> mm3. Some time ago, I found a post from Mark, explaining the steps, but I can't find it again. I have created a working mm3 installation on the new host with both mailman and mail-web dbs imported. hyperkitty archive seems to in the db. What are the next steps to complete the transfer? - rsyncing messages, lists and templates to new host - Setting up DNS CNAMES to the new server - Adapting exim to accept mails to the aliased domain - Can I keep the old listname, with the old domain name? -What else has to be done ? Thanks, Axel -- --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ mobile: +49 160 7568212 computing @ chaos claudius

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Unusual behavior: Standard discussion lists with prefix are sometimes having prefix *dropped*
by Thomas Ward Oct. 19, 2023

Oct. 19, 2023

I noticed some unusual behavior in Mailman3 stable release on PyPI and such. Namely, there are instances where replies are being processed and the prefix tags are simply being **lost** and dropped by Mailman3, instead of being properly prepended where they're supposed to go. Is this a known bug or does it need its own bug in the gitlab tracker? Thomas

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Thread IDs on messages incrementing per reply?
by Thomas Ward Oct. 19, 2023

Oct. 19, 2023

Trying to use the thread prefix component to *tag* thread IDs in a system, but not increment per message. It looks like replies are being received and then thread prefixes are getting incremented. "[Test-%07d]" is the prefix I"m using on a given test list, but we want it to increment by thread ID and *not* per message. (6 messages for instance have been sent, two were replies to [Test-0000004] and though the system properly archived it in the same conversation, it still incremented the digit counter). Is there a way to achieve this in Mailman3 without me having to write some kind of custom code for this? Thomas

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Rootkit issues
by Kyriakos Terzopoulos Oct. 18, 2023

Oct. 18, 2023

Hi, After installing mailman and using it for a few days, I got several complaints from my hosting company for abuse. After checking the server, it seems that there is a rootkit (Blitz) running with the mailman process. Has anyone come across this issue? Are there any specific steps to secure the mailman user? Thank you *Kyriakos Terzopoulos *Web developer / e-learning expert *Tel:*+30 211 213 9858 *Mobile:* +30 694 526 4512 * E-mail: *kyriakos.terzopoulos(a)gmail.com * Skype:* kyriakos.terzopoulos Find me on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/cirrus3d> Follow me on Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/cirrus3d>

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Simple ubi8/mailman3 container image
by Jered Floyd Oct. 17, 2023

Oct. 17, 2023

Abhilash maintains a very complete and well-documented container deployment for Mailman 3, but when I was setting up my environment a few months ago I wanted to build on top of RHEL 8 as well as use a database instance shared across multiple applications. So I ended up creating a bare-bones container image that suited my needs and was closer to just doing a simple local install, but keeping the isolation, reproducibility, and rollback benefits of running as a container. I've been meaning to polish it up and share in case it is useful to others, but finally recognizing that I likely won't get to that soon I've just put it on GitHub here: [ https://github.com/jeredfloyd/mailman-container | https://github.com/jeredfloyd/mailman-container ] Doing a "podman build" of this should result in a container image that is very much like the result of doing a venv install. This uses the Red Hat Universal Base Image (UBI), which can be freely redistributed, gets upstream security updates, and is eligible for support on a paid RHEL subscription. --Jered

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ATT00001.txt file in Outlook users
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat Oct. 17, 2023

Oct. 17, 2023

Hello, Users who have Outlook receive an attached txt file with the name ATT00001.txt when they receive an email from a mailman3 list. Is there a way to stop it from sending this file? Thank you so much

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Post installation issues (recipients refused) with Exim4 in a virtual host environment
by Kyriakos Terzopoulos Oct. 17, 2023

Oct. 17, 2023

Hi, I have set up (I believe successfully) and configured the following in a Virtualhost environment (with HestiaCP): - A record for lists.mydomain.com - Venv - Mailman core - Mailman web (run migrate, collectstatic, compress, compilemessages) Postorius - gunicorn, hyperkitty - Nginx - SMTP exim4 conf I can see Posrorius and I have logged in and created my first mailing list: [image: Screenshot 2023-10-11 at 10.57.31 AM.png] My issue is that even though I have subscribed to my list as you can see above, I am not receiving the confirmation email. I get a "recipients refused" error. The smtp log for mailman is as follows: Oct 11 10:41:20 2023 (1533666) <169701007904.1534165.14569329382406660776@localhost> recipients refused: {' kyriakos.terzopoulos(a)gmail.com': (550, b'Verification failed for <testlist-bounces+kyriakos.terzopoulos=gmail.com(a)myproject.eu>\nUnrouteable address\nSender verify failed')} Oct 11 10:41:20 2023 (1533666) <169701007904.1534165.14569329382406660776@localhost> smtp to testlist(a)myproject.eu for 1 recips, completed in 0.26796579360961914 seconds Oct 11 10:41:20 2023 (1533666) <169701007904.1534165.14569329382406660776@localhost> post to testlist(a)myproject.eu from testlist-confirm+c9b20c5290bec43147a7e96a6b8cd825daf913d7(a)myproject.eu, 1667 bytes, 1 failures Oct 11 10:41:20 2023 (1533666) <169701007904.1534165.14569329382406660776@localhost> delivery to kyriakos.terzopoulos(a)gmail.com failed with code 550, b'Verification failed for <testlist-bounces+kyriakos.terzopoulos=gmail.com(a)myproject.eu>\nUnrouteable address\nSender verify failed' I have used the configuration for exim that is here <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…> and I have also tested with the alternative approach that is documented in there. ------ Debug info follows: First, here is my installation directory: [image: image.png] The following are the services that are running successfully (albeit with some warnings): ------ *Mailman:* ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2023-10-05 12:32:08 EEST; 28min ago Process: 1563357 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 1563364 (python3) Tasks: 18 (limit: 9255) Memory: 929.7M CPU: 22.818s CGroup: /system.slice/mailman3.service ├─1563364 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/master -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg ├─1563370 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=archive:0:1 ├─1563371 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 ├─1563372 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=command:0:1 ├─1563373 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=in:0:1 ├─1563374 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=lmtp:0:1 ├─1563375 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=nntp:0:1 ├─1563376 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=out:0:1 ├─1563377 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=pipeline:0:1 ├─1563378 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 ├─1563379 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=retry:0:1 ├─1563380 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=task:0:1 ├─1563381 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=virgin:0:1 ├─1563382 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 ├─1563420 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 └─1563421 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 Oct 05 12:32:07 hestia. mydomain.eu systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... Oct 05 12:32:08 hestia. mydomain.eu mailman[1563357]: Starting Mailman's master runner Oct 05 12:32:08 hestia. mydomain.eu mailman[1563357]: Generating MTA alias maps Oct 05 12:32:08 hestia. mydomain.eu systemd[1]: *mailman3.service: Can't open PID file /opt/mailman/venv/master.pid (yet?) after start: Ope*> Oct 05 12:32:08 hestia. mydomain.eu systemd[1]: Started GNU Mailing List Manager. *Note the above warning for the master.pid file. However the file exists and is writeable* ------ *Mailman web service* ● mailmanweb.service - GNU Mailman Web UI Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailmanweb.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2023-10-05 12:51:46 EEST; 9min ago Main PID: 1578503 (gunicorn) Tasks: 2 (limit: 9255) Memory: 67.2M CPU: 753ms CGroup: /system.slice/mailmanweb.service ├─1578503 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/gunicorn -c /etc/mailman3/gunicorn.conf mailman_web.wsgi:application └─1578505 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/gunicorn -c /etc/mailman3/gunicorn.conf mailman_web.wsgi:application Oct 05 12:51:46 hestia.mydomain.eu systemd[1]: Started GNU Mailman Web UI. Oct 05 12:51:46 hestia. mydomain.eu gunicorn[1578503]: !!! Oct 05 12:51:46 hestia. mydomain.eu gunicorn[1578503]: !!! *WARNING: configuration file should have a valid Python extension*. Oct 05 12:51:46 hestia. mydomain.eu gunicorn[1578503]: !!! *Another warning above, however the service is starting normally.* ------ *Django Qcluster* ● qcluster.service - HyperKitty async tasks runner Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/qcluster.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2023-10-05 12:51:40 EEST; 10min ago Main PID: 1578463 (mailman-web) Tasks: 8 (limit: 9255) Memory: 101.2M CPU: 30.915s CGroup: /system.slice/qcluster.service ├─1578463 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster --pythonpath /etc/mailman3 --settings settings ├─1578465 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster --pythonpath /etc/mailman3 --settings settings ├─1578466 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster --pythonpath /etc/mailman3 --settings settings ├─1578467 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster --pythonpath /etc/mailman3 --settings settings ├─1578468 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster --pythonpath /etc/mailman3 --settings settings ├─1578469 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster --pythonpath /etc/mailman3 --settings settings ├─1578470 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster --pythonpath /etc/mailman3 --settings settings └─1578471 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web qcluster --pythonpath /etc/mailman3 --settings settings Oct 05 12:51:40 hestia. mydomain.eu systemd[1]: Started HyperKitty async tasks runner. Oct 05 12:51:40 hestia. mydomain.eu mailman-web[1578463]: 09:51:40 [Q] INFO Q Cluster washington-solar-muppet-alanine starting. Oct 05 12:51:40 hestia. mydomain.eu mailman-web[1578466]: 09:51:40 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 1578466 Oct 05 12:51:40 hestia. mydomain.eu mailman-web[1578467]: 09:51:40 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 1578467 Oct 05 12:51:40 hestia. mydomain.eu mailman-web[1578468]: 09:51:40 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 ready for work at 1578468 Oct 05 12:51:40 hestia. mydomain.eu mailman-web[1578469]: 09:51:40 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 ready for work at 1578469 Oct 05 12:51:41 hestia. mydomain.eu mailman-web[1578470]: 09:51:41 [Q] INFO Process-1:5 monitoring at 1578470 Oct 05 12:51:41 hestia. mydomain.eu mailman-web[1578465]: 09:51:41 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster washington-solar-muppet-alanine Oct 05 12:51:41 hestia. mydomain.eu mailman-web[1578465]: 09:51:41 [Q] INFO Q Cluster washington-solar-muppet-alanine running. Oct 05 12:51:41 hestia.mydomain.eu mailman-web[1578471]: 09:51:41 [Q] INFO Process-1:6 pushing tasks at 1578471 ------ Nginx (hestia CP virtual hosts) server { listen 1.2.3.4:80; server_name lists.mydomain <http://lists.mydomain.com>.eu; location /static/ { alias /opt/mailman/venv/web/static/; } location / { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } } ------ Happy to share my other mailman or EXIM4 configuration files if needed. Thanks in advance. Kyriakos ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: image.png Content-Type: image/png Name: =?UTF-8?B?U2NyZWVuc2hvdCAyMDIzLTEwLTExIGF0IDEwLjU3LjMx4oCvQU0ucG5n?= Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Setting up on ubuntu server 22.04
by Kyriakos Terzopoulos Oct. 15, 2023

Oct. 15, 2023

Hi guys, I have an Ubuntu 22.04 server running on a Hetzner machine, with HestiaCP (Exim4) on it. I cannot for the life of me start the service of mailman3 core. Following the installation tutorial I have tried with the venv approach and I am having the following issues: 1) It is not clear to me whether the mailman configuration should be outside venv (and outside the mailman shell). 2) For the above reason I have created a config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg and the mailman3 service outside venv. When starting the service I get the following: ImportError: cannot import name 'path' from 'importlib_resources' (/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/importlib_resources/__init__.py) I've set up the database, the mailman user and the virtual environment. I know I am missing something here (e.g. Python version? other dependencies?). In general would it be better or/and easier to set this up on a new machine in my Hetzner cloud e.g. on Debian which seems to have packages of mailman available? Thanks in advance for all your help. Kyriakos

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Memory usage cgroup and free -m
by golden_rock＠hotmail.com Oct. 12, 2023

Oct. 12, 2023

Hi, Currently the mailman3 cgroup slice uses up to 875MB: Control Group Tasks %CPU Memory Input/s Output/s system.slice/mailman3.service 16 0.1 875.3M - - Is 875MB a normal expected amount, or more than expected? To confirm that this is truly used and not "cached", I use the new Available column from the "free -m" output, which is the pre-computed available memory for a new process, added in recent years. The output of free -m under the Available column when mailman3 is running is : 161 MB When I stop the mailman service, the output of free -m Available column goes up to: 1071 MB Showing that the 875MB previously were not available for release for new processes. If I start mailman service again, the output of free -m Available column goes back to : 325MB and will be reducing gradually over time. I looked around on posts, documentation and others, but didn't find guides related to reducing RAM usage, is that a possibility or is this memory usage expected?

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Archive search failing on one list
by Mark Oct. 12, 2023

Oct. 12, 2023

Hi, I have several lists all happily running with private archives. They all use the one domain name. A new list was added recently and although mail delivery and archiving are fine, this new list's search function is failing. For example, on searching for the word "Derbyshire" (which is mentioned in one of the archived messages) the results page displays: "Sorry no email could be found for this query." The logs show: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [pid: 1156|app: 0|req: 55/55] 2001:8004:5310:2405:ce66:5ff:41fc:60db () {76 vars in 1537 bytes} [Sat Sep 23 23:57:43 2023] GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/search?mlist=LISTNAME-1%40DOMAIN.COM&q=Derbyshire => generated 13752 bytes in 3188 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 5 headers in 164 bytes (1 switches on core 0) 23:57:51 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month] 23:57:51 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 processing [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_recent] 23:57:51 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month] - MailingList matching query does not exist. : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 421, in worker res = f(*task["args"], **task["kwargs"]) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 79, in _rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 406, in get raise self.model.DoesNotExist( hyperkitty.models.mailinglist.MailingList.DoesNotExist: MailingList matching query does not exist. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On all the other lists, which all have successful search results, the logs shows examples like so (searching for "Farnborough") ... ************************************* [pid: 1156|app: 0|req: 486/486] 2001:8004:5310:2405:ce66:5ff:41fc:60db () {76 vars in 1531 bytes} [Sun Sep 24 00:38:24 2023] GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/search?mlist=LISTNAME-2%40DOMAIN.COM&q=Farnborough => generated 141638 bytes in 11039 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 6 headers in 333 bytes (1 switches on core 0) ************************************* ... which seems to be pretty much the same but with out the "MailingList.DoesNotExist" error. Any clues on where I should be looking to fix this would be gratefully received. Thanks, Mar

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impossible to administrate *.com emails
by testeur Oct. 10, 2023

Oct. 10, 2023

Hi, I don't understand why this problem ! In the web interface, i can't administrate email finishing with ".com" (ex : gmail.com, hotmail.com, etc) I obtain : "Forbidden You don't have permission to access this resource." did i miss something in the web configuration ? Regards, PG testeur

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Alias for a list name
by Lars Bjørndal Oct. 8, 2023

Oct. 8, 2023

I've migrated a list from mm 21 to mm 3 sucessfully. The mm 21 runs on domains managed by Postfix as virtual alias domains. That way it was possible to alias a shorter name for a list to the list name. To run mm 3 through Postfix, I use local_recipient_maps and transport_maps. What I want to achieve, is alias medlem(a)list.saf-org.no to saf-medlem(a)list.saf-org.no I tried to put medlem(a)list.saf-org.no: saf-medlem(a)list.saf-org.no and get the following error when running newaliases: postalias: warning: /etc/aliases, line 231: name must be local Is it possible to do this aliasing in a simple way? Thanks, Lars

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OIDC (was: username)
by Jörg Schulz Oct. 7, 2023

Oct. 7, 2023

The most recent version of Django-allauth has some nice changes, it's now straightforward to include oidc. Just include SOCIALACCOUNT_EMAIL_AUTHENTICATION=True ## This allows existing users to login MAILMAN_WEB_SOCIAL_AUTH = [ "allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid_connect"] in settings.py and use the Django admin to configure the socialauth.... While it is _possible_ to add things like ---- SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = { "openid_connect": { "APPS": [ { "provider_id": "mm3", "name": "TheNameThat shows up in the button", "client_id": "configuredID", "secret": "yourOIDCproviderGivesItToYou", "settings": { "server_url": "https://keycloak.wherever.com/realms/yourRealm/.well-known/openid-configura…", "token_auth_method": "client_secret_basic", }, } ] } } ---- I think it's preferable to do that within the Django Admin Gui. Does anybody dare to include this info in the documentation, or are we afraid the next django_allauth breaks things again (this time: Keycloak has been replaced by openid_connect)? -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [MM3-users] Re: username Datum: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 07:34:35 +0000 Von: info(a)joergschulz.de An: Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> Hi, probably you are looking for https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html and https://github.com/lokeish/django-all-auth-and-keycloak-integration but https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/commit/ab704687f438c06fd23e72bce… will be helpful once implemented. Am 12. September 2023 um 05:54 schrieb "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp <mailto:turnbull.stephen.fw@u.tsukuba.ac.jp?to=%22Stephen%20J.%20Turnbull%22%20%3Cturnbull.stephen.fw%40u.tsukuba.ac.jp%3E>>: bryan.kartzman(a)yu.edu writes: > Just to let you know, there is a maintained SAML2 plugin available > on github (https://github.com/grafana/django-saml2-auth) that I was > able to install and get to work with AZURE SSO. There are multiple ways to solve this problem. My employer wanted a host-wide solution so they chose Shibboleth. Some day I'll go out and collect the ones I can find and document them (in summary form: source site, recency of stable version, recency of maintenance, etc). Steve

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username
by bryan.kartzman＠yu.edu Oct. 6, 2023

Oct. 6, 2023

Where is the username that a user uses to login on the postorius web page stored? I checked the postgres table public.user and while the display name is there, the username is not. I can't find it anywhere in the database.

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Mailman issues after re-boot
by Paul Rubin Oct. 6, 2023

Oct. 6, 2023

*<< I sent this to the mailman3 issues on gitlab and Mark replied but asked me to move to this list, so I copied everything and inserted responses. I hope this makes sense and someone can help me.>>* After a lengthy power failure I had to reboot a machine that has been running for several years. the WEB-UI does not seem to be able to see mailman-core. I have looked for log entries that might explain what the issue is and I am stumped to even find logs that will update when I get an error on the browser. Mailman is definitely running, postgres is running and mailman web is running. if I go to the lists page I see lists, if I try to access a specific list I get Server error: An error occurred while processing your request. I looked in /var/logs/mailman /opt/mailman/web/mailmanweb All I can find is: django.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'list_unsubscription_requests' not found. 'list_unsubscription_requests' is not a valid view function or pattern name.16688 ERROR 2023-09-12 13:56:58,430 1760 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/goodstein.goodstein.org/ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/admin.py", line 8, in <module> from django.utils.translation import ungettextImportError: cannot import name 'ungettext' from 'django.utils.translation' (/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/translation/__init__.py) Also I have to run mailman from "mailman start" because the systemctl returns this: ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2023-09-12 10:06:31 EDT; 13s ago Process: 31159 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) CPU: 806msSep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs:Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: Traceback (most recent call last):Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", line 2126, in shutdownSep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: h.flush()Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 67, in flushSep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: if self._stream:Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream'Sep 12 10:06:31 mail systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURESep 12 10:06:31 mail systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.Sep 12 10:06:31 mail systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. Please tell me where to start looking or adjusting. Reply from Mark Sapiro,* Edited to include responses:* Mark Sapiro <https://gitlab.com/msapiro>@msapiro <https://gitlab.com/msapiro>· 1 day ago <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/issues/23#note_1557601916> Owner Add reaction More actions The mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list is probably a more appropriate place for issues like this. django.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'list_unsubscription_requests' not found. 'list_unsubscription_requests' is not a valid view function or pattern name. 16688 ERROR 2023-09-12 13:56:58,430 1760 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/ goodstein.goodstein.org/ /opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/postorius/urls.py should contain re_path( r'^unsubscription_requests$', list_views.list_unsubscription_requests, name='list_unsubscription_requests', ), Y *Yes this exists* and /opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py should define list_unsubscription_requests. *Yes there is a method by this name defined* File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/admin.py", line 8, in from django.utils.translation import ungettext ImportError: cannot import name 'ungettext' from 'django.utils.translation' (/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/translation/ *init*.py) See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.2/internals/deprecation/#deprecation-re… - ungettext() is removed from django>=4.0 Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream' I don't understand this one offhand, but what is the content of /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service, in particular the settings for User, Group and ExecStart? *The service looks right:* 1 [Unit] 2 Description=GNU Mailing List Manager 3 After=syslog.target network.target postgresql.service 4 5 [Service] 6 Type=forking 7 PIDFile=/opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid 8 User=mailman 9 Group=mailman 10 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start 11 ExecReload=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman restart 12 ExecStop=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman stop 13 14 [Install] 15 WantedBy=multi-user.target *It seems I may have two versions of the mailman script:* mail:/opt/mailman # which mailman /usr/bin/mailman mail:/opt/mailman # ls -al /usr/bin/mailman -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 382 May 10 2021 /usr/bin/mailman mail:/opt/mailman # ls -al /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 231 Sep 12 10:02 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman Somehow, your installation is corrupted. I don't know how *I need to know what to remove, how to correctly update, etc., That said the two scripts appear to be very similar:* mail:/opt/mailman # head /usr/bin/mailman #!/usr/bin/python3 # EASY-INSTALL-ENTRY-SCRIPT: 'mailman==3.3.4','console_scripts','mailman' __requires__ = 'mailman==3.3.4' import re import sys from pkg_resources import load_entry_point if __name__ == '__main__': sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw?|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) sys.exit( mail:/opt/mailman # head /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- import re import sys from mailman.bin.mailman import main if __name__ == '__main__': sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) sys.exit(main()) mail:/opt/mailman # *Given the two years since the last reboot I also tried following * https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-guide.html *to make sure I was running the latest* pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web

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Hyperkitty href url to css cache files is not correct
by Alexander Maier Oct. 5, 2023

Oct. 5, 2023

Hello guys i just created my first mailing list on uberspace. Everything works fine at the moment but I have a problem with the stylesheets of hyperkitty. I recognized that hyperkitty creates for each new access to its website a css CACHE file which is stored at '/static/CACHE/css/'. The url in the HTML file sets the href to /static/CACHE/css/ but the files are only accessible with '/hyperkitty/static/CACHE/css/'. I tried out some probably solutions but nothing works... Could you guys help me?

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Template variables in list:user:notice:post
by Jörg Michael Schulz Oct. 5, 2023

Oct. 5, 2023

when I add $hyperkitty_url in the postorius template list:user:notice:post, this variable is not expanded, but rests in clear text, like: Das Archiv befindet sich hier: $hyperkitty_url Moreover, when I use $listname. (the dot after the variable name!), no confirmation arrives. Leaving a space between the variable name and the ‚.' helps.

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400 error on held messages
by Dan Caballero Oct. 5, 2023

Oct. 5, 2023

I've got a couple of lists throwing this error when attempting to view "Held Messages" HTTP Error 400: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'oAAAANSUhEUgAACfYAAAiVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAACfYAAAYKCAIAAAAQvT9CAAAACXBIWXMAAC4jAAAuIwF4pT92AAAg\r\n' Any ideas on what could be causing this? Database corruption of some kind? Dan Caballero Caltech

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Mailman 3 Privacy Policies, GDPR, etc and social logins
by Jered Floyd Oct. 5, 2023

Oct. 5, 2023

Greetings, I host a variety of lists for social, community, and software projects, and updated my infrastructure from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3 last year. As part of this, I enabled Django allauth modules to simplify login and management for subscribers. Recently, Facebook notified me that they would be disabling the "application" because it failed to provide a sufficient Privacy Policy. Previously I had linked the app to [ https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/privacy.html, | https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/privacy.html, ] but they have said: Platform Terms 4.b: Your privacy policy must comply with applicable law and regulations and must accurately and clearly explain what data you are Processing, how you are Processing it, the purposes for which you are Processing it, and how Users may request deletion of that data. During testing, we found that your privacy policy doesn’t explain how users can request data deletion. Update your privacy policy to include this information before you submit an appeal. This is a bit of a headache. Do we have a draft of a community Privacy Policy for a vanilla Mailman 3 install that meets Facebook's requirements? Is this going to be a constantly unraveling thread of future GDPR and Right to Be Forgotten troubles, since there doesn't seem to be an easy way to scrub a subscriber from Hyperkitty archives if they request so? How have others addressed this situation? Regards, --Jered

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All list messages shunted due to mailman core database lock
by Ryan Curtin Oct. 4, 2023

Oct. 4, 2023

Hi there, I have been trying to debug a git commit development list for a project I maintain: http://lists.mlpack.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/mlpack-git@lists.mlpack.or… The list is run on mailman3 as provided by Debian. Messages are successfully received---you can see all the test messages in the archives I just linked to if you want to click on it. However, no messages are actually relayed to subscribers. I spent a while digging into logs and found that every message sent to the list results in an error like this in /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log: ``` Oct 02 17:01:26 2023 (2957556) Uncaught runner exception: (raised as a result of Query-invoked autoflush; consider using a session.no_autoflush block if this flush is occurring prematurely) (sqlite3.OperationalError) database is locked [SQL: UPDATE mailinglist SET last_post_at=?, post_id=? WHERE mailinglist.id = ?] [parameters: ('2023-10-02 21:01:21.702224', 99565, 2)] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/13/e3q8) Oct 02 17:01:26 2023 (2957556) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1276, in _execute_context self.dialect.do_execute( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 609, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) sqlite3.OperationalError: database is locked The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 50, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/handlers/acknowledge.py", line 46, in process member = mlist.members.get_member(sender) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/roster.py", line 120, in get_member memberships = self._get_all_memberships(email) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/roster.py", line 116, in _get_all_memberships return members_a.union(members_u).all() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3373, in all return list(self) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3534, in __iter__ self.session._autoflush() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py", line 1633, in _autoflush util.raise_(e, with_traceback=sys.exc_info()[2]) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/util/compat.py", line 182, in raise_ raise exception File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py", line 1622, in _autoflush self.flush() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py", line 2540, in flush self._flush(objects) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py", line 2682, in _flush transaction.rollback(_capture_exception=True) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/util/langhelpers.py", line 68, in __exit__ compat.raise_( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/util/compat.py", line 182, in raise_ raise exception File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py", line 2642, in _flush flush_context.execute() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/unitofwork.py", line 422, in execute rec.execute(self) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/unitofwork.py", line 586, in execute persistence.save_obj( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/persistence.py", line 230, in save_obj _emit_update_statements( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/persistence.py", line 994, in _emit_update_statements c = cached_connections[connection].execute( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1011, in execute return meth(self, multiparams, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/sql/elements.py", line 298, in _execute_on_connection return connection._execute_clauseelement(self, multiparams, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1124, in _execute_clauseelement ret = self._execute_context( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1316, in _execute_context self._handle_dbapi_exception( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1510, in _handle_dbapi_exception util.raise_( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/util/compat.py", line 182, in raise_ raise exception File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1276, in _execute_context self.dialect.do_execute( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 609, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (raised as a result of Query-invoked autoflush; consider using a session.no_autoflush block if this flush is occurring prematurely) (sqlite3.OperationalError) database is locked [SQL: UPDATE mailinglist SET last_post_at=?, post_id=? WHERE mailinglist.id = ?] [parameters: ('2023-10-02 21:01:21.702224', 99565, 2)] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/13/e3q8) Oct 02 17:01:26 2023 (2957556) SHUNTING: 1696280486.719109+114cb2cc738a61874a5eed7e3f66a3ac111f5b90 ``` I have tried a handful of things: * Restart mailman3 and mailman3-web systemd services. * Ensure that there are no stale locks in /var/lib/mailman3/locks/ when mailman3 core is stopped. * Move the database in /var/lib/mailman3/data/mailman.db out of the way and replace it with a copy, in case some process is holding it open. * Unshunt all the messages with `sudo /usr/bin/mailman3 unshunt` (didn't realize this would drop all the shunted messages, but not a big deal). Most threads I have read appear to be related to the Django interface encountering a locked database, but this looks different---it seems mailman core is having the problem, not anything having to do with mailman3-web or Django. Does anyone have any thoughts on things I can do to fix this error? I am not a mailman3 expert (and to be perfectly honest I don't want to be one, I just want to post things to the list :)). One extra caveat: rebooting the machine I am using is not a realistic option. Thanks in advance for any help. Ryan -- Ryan Curtin | "Not like this... not like this." ryan(a)ratml.org | - Switch

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