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[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/test2.***/settings/message_acceptance MultipleObjectsReturned .. get() returned more than one EmailAddress -- it returned 2!
by Wikinaut Sept. 1, 2025

Sept. 1, 2025

[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/test2.av-huette.de/settings/message_acceptance Full error stack (redacted) see https://dpaste.com/CEFXPNP67.txt Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/test2.*****/settings/message_acceptance As far as I remember, I removed every member of that test2 list. I think, my bug report could be of interest to fix a (probably) lurking bug. Everything works here, but last week I had this error

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Mailing lists as the main collaboration centre at SME
by Rodrigo Camacho Aug. 31, 2025

Aug. 31, 2025

Hello all, I own and run a small company (lanao.org) I am looking for companies which have put mailing lists not only as a form of general announcement but especially as the main way to collaborate. I am thinking of moving my team to a model like that and would love to read about some best practices or strong opposition to the idea. I am hopeful that out there there are companies which have resisted the Microsoft Teams virus. If your company uses mailing lists to run, please reach out. We are currently using Gitlab issues to collaborate which has been quite successful. I would be very interested to trade tips. Best wishes, Rodrigo

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Stalwart plugin
by info＠joergschulz.de Aug. 30, 2025

Aug. 30, 2025

Hi all, I'm just reviewing Stalwart as a many-in-one mailing system. Did anybody yet succeed in plugging mailman into stalwart (the incoming bit seems to be difficult)?

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New subscribed (by invitation) user: no password received in invitation/welcome e-mail. Postorius sign up / password reset broken
by ^m'e Aug. 30, 2025

Aug. 30, 2025

Hi there, I migrated form MM2.1 to MM3.3.10 on Debian Trixie (mariadb backend) -- I know that's a bit unorthodox to ask here for help on a non venv-based installation, but hopefully I'll first gain a bit of insight of MM3 in order to formulate a more precise request to Debian maintainers. ## Issue #1. A newly invited (from Postorius mass subscription page) and confirmed user doesn't get any password in their invitation/welcome e-mail. I guess that's because MM3 allows a user to subscribe without having an account, right? Else, there's a problem. ## Issue #2 Anyway, if that new user asks for a password reset on Postorius they get "Server error An error occurred while processing your request." Log shows: ``` ERROR 2025-08-29 17:59:17,227 173488 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/password/reset/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 105, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 46, in _wrapper return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 144, in dispatch return handler( form.save(self.request) ~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/forms.py", line 633, in save adapter.send_password_reset_mail(user, email, context) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 577, in send_password_reset_mail return self.send_mail("account/email/password_reset_key", email, context) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 201, in send_mail msg.send() ~~~~~~~~^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/message.py", line 299, in send return self.get_connection(fail_silently).send_messages([self]) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/backends/smtp.py", line 134, in send_messages sent = self._send(message) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/backends/smtp.py", line 152, in _send self.connection.sendmail( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^ from_email, recipients, message.as_bytes(linesep="\r\n") ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ) ^ File "/usr/lib/python3.13/smtplib.py", line 861, in sendmail self.ehlo_or_helo_if_needed() ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.13/smtplib.py", line 611, in ehlo_or_helo_if_needed if not (200 <= self.ehlo()[0] <= 299): ~~~~~~~~~^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.13/smtplib.py", line 451, in ehlo self.putcmd(self.ehlo_msg, name or self.local_hostname) ~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.13/smtplib.py", line 378, in putcmd self.send(f'{s}{CRLF}') ~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.13/smtplib.py", line 365, in send raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first') smtplib.SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first ``` The same happens if the new users tries to sign up. Any idea? Cheers -- Marco

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After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists
by Wikinaut Aug. 29, 2025

Aug. 29, 2025

File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 160, in call raise HTTPError(params.get('url'), response.status_code, urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} ERROR 2025-08-16 19:26:03,720 6588 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/mylist.myserver.tld Can anyone help? Other things do work, including archives, users, domains etc.

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Subscription Request asking for Confirmation instead of Moderation
by Henry Hartley Aug. 29, 2025

Aug. 29, 2025

We have a list where the Subscription Policy (Settings -> Member Policy -> Subscription Policy) is set to "Moderate" and when I send a message to LISTNAME-join(a)example.com<mailto:LISTNAME-join@example.com> (not the real domain, obviously) everything works as expected and the user shows up in the Pending Approval list. We have a Drupal website that allows users to submit a form that, among other things, sends a subscription request to our Mailman3 'join' address. When that happens, however, instead of going to the Pending Approval list, the name is shows on the Pending Confirmation page. We don't send a Welcome message so as far as I can tell, they do not get an email asking them to confirm their email address. Two questions: 1. Are there particular headers that are causing the email to go to the Confirmation page instead of the Approval page? Or are there particular headers we can add that will help with this? 2. Is there any way for us to move an address from the Confirmation Pending page to confirmed on the backend (preferably through the web interface, but on the server itself, if necessary)? Here are the headers sent with the subscriber's email address changed to FirstLast(a)SCHOOL.edu<mailto:FirstLast@SCHOOL.edu> and our BCC mailbox domain changed to COMPANY.com. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Mailer: Drupal Return-Path: FirstLast(a)SCHOOL.edu<mailto:FirstLast@SCHOOL.edu> Sender: FirstLast(a)SCHOOL.edu<mailto:FirstLast@SCHOOL.edu> From: FirstLast(a)SCHOOL.edu<mailto:FirstLast@SCHOOL.edu> Bcc: mailman-noreply(a)COMPANY.com<mailto:mailman-noreply@COMPANY.com> -- Henry Hartley Westat RB 2151

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Today no question, but my toolbox: set "global" user preferences; list or delete held messages
by Wikinaut Aug. 27, 2025

Aug. 27, 2025

After some (sorry for bothering you) questions here, I was able to set up a mailman3 system which I regard as perfect for my use. Perhaps, you had similar problems with your installation, especially when coming from mailman2 and, like me, from majordomo...... I collected a lot of information which was presented in this mailling list archive here and also answers of my questions (thanks Mark and others) News: https://github.com/Wikinaut/mailman3-tools has all of these tools. README says: Scripts for maintenance or setting-up of modern mailman3 instances set preferences for all users list held messages delete held messages older n days My setting is strictly as described in the documentation: mailman3 + postorius/hyperkitty are installed via pip in an (venv) /opt/mailman/ My user scripts and a huge mailing list generator (not published here) are in a directory apart from that: user maillistgen home directory /home/maillistgen user maillistgen has some sudo rights set uo in /etc/sudoers a wrapper script is /home/maillistgen/run_mailman.sh which sets the correct path for Python, mailman3 and the (venv). I hope, you like my tiny part of contribution and attribution back to Mark.

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Today no question, but my toolbox: set "global" user preferences; list or delete held messages
by Wikinaut Aug. 27, 2025

Aug. 27, 2025

After some (sorry for bothering you) questions here, I was able to set up a mailman3 system which I regard as perfect for my use. Perhaps, you had similar problems with your installation, especially when coming from mailman2 and, like me, from majordomo...... I collected a lot of information which was presented in this mailling list archive here and also answers of my questions (thanks Mark and others) News: https://github.com/Wikinaut/mailman3-tools has all of these tools. README says: Scripts for maintenance or setting-up of modern mailman3 instances set preferences for all users list held messages delete held messages older n days My setting is strictly as described in the documentation: mailman3 + postorius/hyperkitty are installed via pip in an (venv) /opt/mailman/ My user scripts and a huge mailing list generator (not published here) are in a directory apart from that: user maillistgen home directory /home/maillistgen user maillistgen has some sudo rights set uo in /etc/sudoers a wrapper script is /home/maillistgen/run_mailman.sh which sets the correct path for Python, mailman3 and the (venv). I hope, you like my tiny part of contribution and attribution back to Mark.

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Internal Server Error: /mailman3/postorius/lists/.../held_messages - humanize: where to put?
by Flo Aug. 26, 2025

Aug. 26, 2025

Hi, I have setup in Debian Trixie mailman3-full and came that far, that I have created a mailing list. I can sent emails to the members. However when I send from an email which is non-member the message is held. If I want to accept this message as list admin, I get: `An error occurred while processing your request.` And I get an email: `Internal Server Error: /mailman3/postorius/.../held_messages TemplateSyntaxError at /postorius/lists/.../held_messages 'humanize' is not a registered tag library. Must be one of: account admin_list admin_modify admin_urls allauth bootstrap_tags cache compress d_gravatar date_helpers debugger_tags decorate gravatar highlight highlighting hk_generic hk_haystack i18n indent_text l10n log markdown membership_helpers more_like_this nav_helpers p_gravatar pagination postorius_helpers rest_framework socialaccount static syntax_color tz widont Request Method: GET Request URL: https://.../mailman3/postorius/lists/.../held_messages Django Version: 4.2.23 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.13.5 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python313.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.13', '/usr/lib/python3.13/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.13/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/setuptools/_vendor'] . . .` humanize is in the INSTALLED_APPS section in /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py. In this file I I configured Django. However it's not in the Python path as written in the error email above. So maybe I have to find a different settings file. Can anyone advise me where I can find the error I have in my configuration? Thanks in advance. Flo

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How can i suppress sending moderation mail to all owners?
by Markus Grandpré Aug. 25, 2025

Aug. 25, 2025

Dear list members, How can I configure the list settings the way that emails intended for moderators are delivered only to them, and not to the owners/administrators of the list? Best, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Grandpré (he/him) Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations- und Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur Sachgebiet Diensteadministration 78457 Konstanz Tel: +49 7531 88-4342D

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Python backtrace from `mailman -h`
by Peter Chubb Aug. 25, 2025

Aug. 25, 2025

Hi Folks, I'm running the Debian-packaged mailman3 (yes I know ...) and running: sudo -u list mailman -h gives a python backtrace (which I've appended the tail end of). Can someone who has the upstream installed version (using venv) please check that `mailman -h` works there before I waste too much time investigating in the wrong places? ... File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 44, in _load add_components('commands', ICLISubCommand, self._commands) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 218, in add_components for component_class in find_pluggable_components(subpackage, interface): ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 181, in find_pluggable_components for name, plugin_config in config.plugin_configs: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 291, in plugin_configs plugin_sections = self._config.getByCategory('plugin', []) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getByCategory' Peter C

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Why are moderation mails sent to list moderator (if there are any) _and_ then also to the list owner?
by Wikinaut Aug. 24, 2025

Aug. 24, 2025

Dear all, I am quity puzzled to receive a bunch of mails which are moderators works - I just set up one person as a list moderator - but I do receive the moderation request as well. How can this be stopped? I just tested the behaviour and I can't see any switch in the list settings (at the moment) to avoid sending moderations to the owner for such lists, where moderator(s) are defined. A Bug?

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[Bug] Someone not a member of list is treated as member - strange
by Wikinaut Aug. 24, 2025

Aug. 24, 2025

In my list test I have my address1 as member (only this one member). I definitely send a mail from my address2[sic] to ml test. The list settings are: 1. accept mails from members (address2 is not a member) 2. discard mails from non-members (address2 is not a member of ml test) When sending from address2, my mail is accepted. When I, for sake of completeness switch 1. to moderate mails from member[sic], my mail from address2 gets moderated. Please explain. It looks like a bug. I double-checked the field "accept from non-members" to be empty, yes, is empty, where I otherwise add all members by adding the internal ml whitelist in form of the entry @whitelist@mydomain.com .

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Missing Base64 encoding from control message reply
by lists-mailman3＠janaberger.de Aug. 22, 2025

Aug. 22, 2025

Dear all, I have a setup with GNU Mailman 3.3.8 where a user tried to subscribe. When replying to the "confirm" message, the user received a completely garbled response, like so: N�z˥��ʋ�zf��&��j��u�[zZ0:��v��,j�z֢��k�e�0 4Dҹ��r�^b��r�ߊ��*'��yם��{ax�L�X��0:��v��,j�z֢��k�d�m�-��zz�rn��l]y+��-E�( �^N��'��M��tۯ��Mz��^i��׮��}�o�\ӷ��6sN�zf��ݮ��r��z˥��b�{h��݉��f�r�ne== (The line above contains numerous unprintable characters, etc.) The user then forwarded the .eml file to me, which clearly shows the contents of the mail as plain text while being announced as base64 (Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64): START OF EML Return-Path: <LISTNAME-bounces(a)lists.DOMAIN.COM> Received: from DOMAIN.COM ([144.76.173.241]) by mx-ha.USERDOMAIN.NET (mx06 [IP]) with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 1M27WV-1qhRFk39Sr-00AQcR for <USER(a)USERDOMAIN.NET>; Thu, 21 Sep 2023 19:10:37 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by DOMAIN.COM (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4058B3BD5EEF for <USER(a)USERDOMAIN.NET>; Thu, 21 Sep 2023 19:10:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DOMAIN.COM ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (DOMAIN.COM [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id x0ngnlRnGraH for <USER(a)USERDOMAIN.NET>; Thu, 21 Sep 2023 19:10:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IP] (unknown [IP]) by DOMAIN.COM (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8603BD5EEE for <USER(a)USERDOMAIN.NET>; Thu, 21 Sep 2023 19:10:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: =?utf-8?q?The_results_of_your_email_commands?= From: LISTNAME-bounces(a)lists.DOMAIN.COM To: USER(a)USERDOMAIN.NET Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Message-ID: <169531623416.29.5762261018677554285@mailman-core> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 17:10:34 +0000 Precedence: bulk X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8 List-Id: <LISTNAME.lists.DOMAIN.COM> List-Help: <mailto:LISTNAME-request@lists.DOMAIN.COM?subject=help> List-Owner: <mailto:LISTNAME-owner@lists.DOMAIN.COM> List-Subscribe: <mailto:LISTNAME-join@lists.DOMAIN.COM> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:LISTNAME-leave@lists.DOMAIN.COM> Envelope-To: <USER(a)USERDOMAIN.NET> X-Spam-Flag: NO The results of your email command are provided below. - Original message details: From: USER <USER(a)USERDOMAIN.NET> Subject: Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the LISTNAME(a)lists.DOMAIN.COM mailing list. Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 19:10:26 +0200 Message-ID: <3c1eaaf8-1677-432f-b9dc-07f18902c06c(a)email.android.com> - Results: Confirmation token did not match - Done. END OF EML Is this possibly a bug in Mailman? Any ideas on what else could be causing this?

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particular list member seems unmanageable from CLI
by Stephan Aug. 22, 2025

Aug. 22, 2025

We have a list member that got disabled due to bounces, but that should be fixed after we implemented DMARC and SPF. So as I don't know how to access the disabled status from the CLI (we have no GUI), I tried to delete and re-subscribe them. But although they are listed as a member, they cannot be deleted: # sudo -u list mailman members list(a)domain.tld | grep "$x" M... <M....@web...> # sudo -u list mailman delmembers -m "$x" -l list(a)domain.tld Member not subscribed (skipping): M... <M....@web...> How can I fix this from the command line? Either by restoring their "disabled" status, or deleting and re-subscribing them?

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Xapian error on RHEL9 - module 'xapian' has no attribute 'QueryParser'
by l.reilly＠ucl.ac.uk Aug. 21, 2025

Aug. 21, 2025

Hi, I'm trying to set up Mailman 3 on a RHEL9 (unfortunately Debian/Ubuntu aren't options) and have been making some progress, but I'm having trouble getting Xapian to work. I first tried to install it using Method 1 (https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#set-up-xapian) however, xapian_wheel_builder.sh seems to just exit right as it starts "preparing xapian wheel...". I ended up installing Xapian 1.4.29 from source and symlinking xapian in the venv as per Method 2. When trying to search the archives the error below is generated. Has anyone else encountered this before? Thanks. ################################################################################# Internal Server Error: /archives/search AttributeError at /archives/search module 'xapian' has no attribute 'QueryParser' Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mailinglists-dev.ucl.ac.uk/archives/search?mlist=skgtlmr-test%40mai… Django Version: 4.2.23 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3.12 Python Version: 3.12.9 Python Path: ['/opt/mailman/mm', '/', '/opt/mailman/venv/bin', '/etc/mailman3', '/usr/lib64/python312.zip', '/usr/lib64/python3.12', '/usr/lib64/python3.12/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.12/site-packages', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages', '/etc/mailman3'] Server time: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 11:05:02 +0100 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] Installed Middleware: ('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.12/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/search.py", line 54, in search results = EmptySearchQuerySet() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.12/site-packages/haystack/query.py", line 25, in __init__ self._determine_backend() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.12/site-packages/haystack/query.py", line 58, in _determine_backend self.query = connections[backend_alias].get_query() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.12/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 114, in __getitem__ self.thread_local.connections[key] = load_backend( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.12/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 60, in load_backend return import_class(full_backend_path) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.12/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 22, in import_class module_itself = importlib.import_module(module_path) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib64/python3.12/importlib/__init__.py", line 90, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1387, in _gcd_import <source code not available> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1360, in _find_and_load <source code not available> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1331, in _find_and_load_unlocked <source code not available> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 935, in _load_unlocked <source code not available> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 999, in exec_module <source code not available> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 488, in _call_with_frames_removed <source code not available> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.12/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 50, in <module> xapian.QueryParser.FLAG_PHRASE | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Exception Type: AttributeError at /archives/search Exception Value: module 'xapian' has no attribute 'QueryParser' Raised during: hyperkitty.views.search.search Request information: USER: skgtlmr GET: mlist = 'skgtlmr-test(a)mailinglists-dev.ucl.ac.uk' q = 'foo' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: EBSLIV = 'UQjksgWK7Zyd5TfaUK4KgP5PzD' _scid = 'A90JyW0nIFAyPsZyxkyUhTRixUN9PurngTShxQ' cookie-agreed-version = '1.0.0' cookie-agreed-categories = '%5B%22necessary_cookies%22%2C%22analytics_and_customisation_cookies%22%2C%22advertising_cookies%22%5D' cookie-agreed = '2' _fbp = 'fb.2.1752842717574.837640545407184978' nmstat = 'cd7efb87-0f9e-afb5-fbad-f9f4bc1769b8' _ga_QQBYV15T88 = 'GS2.3.s1753165359$o2$g1$t1753165373$j46$l0$h0' __utmc = '156947391' __utmz = '156947391.1753782039.4.2.utmcsr=google|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=(not%20provided)' _ga_NWBZGPY11C = 'GS2.1.s1753799417$o1$g1$t1753800249$j11$l0$h0' __utma = '156947391.1941193546.1752485543.1753782039.1753863655.5' _ga_WV6RVXXKPJ = 'GS2.1.s1755086211$o3$g0$t1755086216$j55$l0$h0' _ga_P316Z5TR5Q = 'GS2.1.s1755161312$o2$g1$t1755161324$j48$l0$h0' csrftoken = '********************' sessionid = '********************' _ga = 'GA1.1.1941193546.1752485543' _ga_35DML57W9V = 'GS2.1.s1755180982$o22$g1$t1755181740$j60$l0$h0' META: CSRF_COOKIE = 'jtklayWS008FhjoaikeHZmhSLZekOKkN' HTTP_ACCEPT = 'text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/avif,image/webp,image/apng,*/*;q=0.8,application/signed-exchange;v=b3;q=0.7' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate, br, zstd' HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE = 'en-GB,en-US;q=0.9,en;q=0.8' HTTP_CONNECTION = 'Keep-Alive' HTTP_COOKIE = '********************' HTTP_HOST = 'mailinglists-dev.ucl.ac.uk' HTTP_REFERER = 'https://mailinglists-dev.ucl.ac.uk/archives/list/skgtlmr-test@mailinglists-…' HTTP_SEC_CH_UA = '"Not)A;Brand";v="8", "Chromium";v="138", "Google Chrome";v="138"' HTTP_SEC_CH_UA_MOBILE = '?0' HTTP_SEC_CH_UA_PLATFORM = '"Windows"' HTTP_SEC_FETCH_DEST = 'document' HTTP_SEC_FETCH_MODE = 'navigate' HTTP_SEC_FETCH_SITE = 'same-origin' HTTP_SEC_FETCH_USER = '?1' HTTP_UPGRADE_INSECURE_REQUESTS = '1' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/138.0.0.0 Safari/537.36' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = '10.0.115.196' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST = 'mailinglists-dev.ucl.ac.uk' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO = 'https' HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER = 'mail-man03d.addev.ucl.ac.uk' PATH_INFO = '/archives/search' QUERY_STRING = 'mlist=skgtlmr-test%40mailinglists-dev.ucl.ac.uk&q=foo' RAW_URI = '/archives/search?mlist=skgtlmr-test%40mailinglists-dev.ucl.ac.uk&q=foo' REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1' REMOTE_PORT = '41572' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = '127.0.0.1' SERVER_PORT = '8000' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.1' SERVER_SOFTWARE = 'gunicorn/23.0.0' gunicorn.socket = <socket.socket fd=4, family=2, type=1, proto=0, laddr=('127.0.0.1', 8000), raddr=('127.0.0.1', 41572)> wsgi.errors = <gunicorn.http.wsgi.WSGIErrorsWrapper object at 0x7f9096342ec0> wsgi.file_wrapper = <class 'gunicorn.http.wsgi.FileWrapper'> wsgi.input = <gunicorn.http.body.Body object at 0x7f909652b020> wsgi.input_terminated = True wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = False wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'https' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Settings: Using settings module settings ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {} ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email' ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'http' ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True ACCOUNT_EMAIL_UNKNOWN_ACCOUNTS = False ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory' ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'username', 'email'} ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['username*', 'email*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'root@localhost'), ('Cloud Platforms Admin', 'l.reilly(a)ucl.ac.uk'))" ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['localhost', '127.0.0.1', '*'] APPEND_SLASH = True AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS = "('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend', 'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')" AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************' AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User' BASE_DIR = PosixPath('/opt/mailman/web') CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}} CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************' CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600 COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js': 'compressor.js.JsCompressor'} COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()' COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default' COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar' COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime' COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024 COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None COMPRESS_ENABLED = True COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'css': ['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter', 'compressor.filters.cssmin.rCSSMinFilter'], 'js': ['compressor.filters.jsmin.rJSMinFilter']} COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7f9097504fe0> COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30 COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.OfflineManifestFileStorage' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST_STORAGE_ALIAS = 'compressor-offine' COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000 COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE' COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser' COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'))" COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000 COMPRESS_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage' COMPRESS_STORAGE_ALIAS = 'compressor' COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'} COMPRESS_URL = '/static/' COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/' COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal' COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar' COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '' COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = '' CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600 CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False CSRF_COOKIE_MASKED = False CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken' CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/' CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure' CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN' CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = [] CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailmanweb', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '5432', 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True, 'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'CONN_HEALTH_CHECKS': False, 'OPTIONS': {}, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST': {'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'MIGRATE': True, 'MIRROR': None, 'NAME': None}}} DATABASE_ROUTERS = [] DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000 DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FILES = 100 DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P' DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M'] DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y' DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y', '%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B %Y', '%d %B, %Y'] DEBUG = False DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.' DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER = 'django.views.debug.ExceptionReporter' DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER = 'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter' DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'mailman(a)ucl.ac.uk' DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = '' DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = '' DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = [] EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = '*************' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************' EMAIL_HOST_USER = '' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************' EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] ' EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False EMAIL_USE_SSL = False EMAIL_USE_TLS = False FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS = ['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler', 'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler'] FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440 FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420 FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None FILTER_VHOST = False FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0 FIXTURE_DIRS = [] FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'PATH': '/opt/mailman/web/xapian_index', 'ENGINE': 'xapian_backend.XapianEngine'}} HYPERKITTY_ENABLE_GRAVATAR = False IGNORABLE_404_URLS = [] INSTALLED_APPS = ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount'] INTERNAL_IPS = [] LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ar-dz', 'Algerian Arabic'), ('ast', 'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be', 'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'), ('ca', 'Catalan'), ('ckb', 'Central Kurdish (Sorani)'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'), ('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en', 'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar', 'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx', 'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve', 'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa', 'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'), ('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he', 'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia', 'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('ig', 'Igbo'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is', 'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka', 'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'), ('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('ky', 'Kyrgyz'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt', 'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml', 'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('ms', 'Malay'), ('my', 'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl', 'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa', 'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br', 'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk', 'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'), ('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'), ('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('tg', 'Tajik'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tk', 'Turkmen'), ('tr', 'Turkish'), ('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur', 'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')] LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'ar-dz', 'ckb', 'fa', 'ur'] LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/' LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False LOCALE_PATHS = [] LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': {'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}}, 'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters': ['require_debug_false'], 'class': 'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.WatchedFileHandler', 'filename': '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailmanweb.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'}, 'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}}, 'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers': ['file'], 'level': 'DEBUG', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius': {'handlers': ['console', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO'}, 'q': {'level': 'WARNING', 'propagate': False, 'handlers': ['console', 'file']}}, 'formatters': {'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s %(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}} LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig' LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index' LOGIN_URL = 'account_login' LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')" MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************' MANAGERS = [] MEDIA_ROOT = '' MEDIA_URL = '/' MESSAGE_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage' MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'} MIDDLEWARE = "('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')" MIGRATION_MODULES = {} MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j' NUMBER_GROUPING = 0 PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************' PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT = '********************' POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' PREPEND_WWW = False Q_CLUSTER = {'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default'} ROOT_URLCONF = 'mailman_web.urls' SECRET_KEY = '********************' SECRET_KEY_FALLBACKS = '********************' SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True SECURE_CROSS_ORIGIN_OPENER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0 SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = [] SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = 'same-origin' SECURE_SSL_HOST = None SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False SERVER_EMAIL = 'mailman(a)ucl.ac.uk' SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default' SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600 SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid' SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/' SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax' SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db' SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False SESSION_FILE_PATH = None SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False SESSION_SERIALIZER = 'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.JSONSerializer' SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings' SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P' SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y' SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner' SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = [] SITE_ID = 1 SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [{'id': 'yahoo', 'name': 'Yahoo', 'openid_url': 'https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fme.yahoo.c…'}]}, 'google': {'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}}, 'facebook': {'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': ['email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone'], 'VERSION': 'v2.4'}} STATICFILES_DIRS = '()' STATICFILES_FINDERS = "('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')" STATICFILES_STORAGE = 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage' STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' STATIC_URL = '/static/' STORAGES = {'default': {'BACKEND': 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage'}, 'staticfiles': {'BACKEND': 'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage'}} TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND': 'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [], 'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors': ['django.template.context_processors.debug', 'django.template.context_processors.i18n', 'django.template.context_processors.media', 'django.template.context_processors.static', 'django.template.context_processors.tz', 'django.template.context_processors.csrf', 'django.template.context_processors.request', 'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth', 'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages', 'django_mailman3.context_processors.common', 'hyperkitty.context_processors.common', 'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}] TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = [] TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner' THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ',' TIME_FORMAT = 'P' TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M'] TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' USE_DEPRECATED_PYTZ = False USE_I18N = True USE_L10N = True USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False USE_TZ = True USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = False USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False WSGI_APPLICATION = 'mailman_web.wsgi.application' X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY' YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y'

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cron error - /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily
by Odhiambo Washington Aug. 21, 2025

Aug. 21, 2025

I wonder what this means and whether it's fatal. How do I fix it? ``` ERROR OCCURED IN JOB: sync_mailman (APP: hyperkitty) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django_extensions/management/commands/runjobs.py", line 51, in runjobs job().execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/jobs/sync_mailman.py", line 36, in execute sync_with_mailman() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/mailman.py", line 178, in sync_with_mailman mlist.update_from_mailman() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py", line 226, in update_from_mailman self._update_owner_mods_from_mailman(mm_list) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py", line 231, in _update_owner_mods_from_mailman user = get_django_user(owner) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django_mailman3/lib/user.py", line 30, in get_django_user email_addr = EmailAddress.objects.get(email=member.address.email) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 87, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 640, in get raise self.model.MultipleObjectsReturned( *allauth.account.models.EmailAddress.MultipleObjectsReturned: get() returned more than one EmailAddress -- it returned 2!* ``` I suspect it's something to do with my action yesterday while attempting to reply to a thread from HyperKitty. The superuser account uses my address - odhiambo at gmail dot com.I am also the listowner for most lists. I tried unsuccessfully to create an account on Postorious using the same email address. I kept getting sent links to verify the account, over and over. Finally, I was able to verify the account, but cannot login with it. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Spam from non list members
by Odhiambo Washington Aug. 20, 2025

Aug. 20, 2025

Hello Team, I have received spam in the last few days, posted to one of my lists. The spam is from non-subscribers. I am wondering how this spam makes it to the list in the first place, and how to stop them. Below are the headers from one such spam: ``` Delivered-To: odhiambo(a)gmail.com Received: by 2002:a05:6358:478c:b0:1f8:8ba6:62f4 with SMTP id i12csp6474433rwn; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 13:08:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHwGjDJGZU1VZV2Thd34wgXeV2X6aweYtnKYgygiua1m7FH5CCqq+Meam6X7EFnMO9s7JBE X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:7314:b0:af4:11e1:f877 with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-afddcb70ffamr6800866b.21.1755547737149; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 13:08:57 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; t=1755547737; cv=pass; d=google.com; s=arc-20240605; b=SxOZ4g+V75ZlHjnb68dGFk0C43UBXEiiHFbsec2Nd8CciQe2WoDWDKivUrl9AOXU8C JtJmmL+iQfTp/gAwWVbIys7CzEEKx3zoApV867a0tIoQO3GJpNz/wMJ2uJhNwNJ13rCZ 3VpCG0/8yMKme8Gl+wi2hFlpTusPD5//yEvj+2nUjbPyqlQTsgiGK40IsE2dPSv7nuG7 SLCJlXQCxPLlUVo7Qhi8TuK5jmbK2k0JP4L2QpGXISMX5oRUJJX7BoZT5bn8eXRPLGUq IYGEqw+PUP9E/qwBLRrJ+aESBQsfAwMtjQn9UC9jJHX3kXkjL3a5SuOrrbxlXnfnTijU w8NA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20240605; h=cc:from:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner :list-help:list-archive:archived-at:list-id:subject:reply-to :precedence:message-id-hash:message-id:to:date:mime-version :dkim-signature; bh=68hDV7fTzXN9aXRXs+9wXgUwlV63FoOfuranZTCGBok=; fh=LcmHOTIZU58Nx4GQGbrz/At1kQTaA+xCcs3xKrMC9Wg=; b=OIvR32zF5EzJs4iH6pixYvTBd9Iwk9uWSDONJeWI3PdG2RPnT36Tj5sApTR8UhVtir d2vO3HCSlHlFI4+uMXE/upRQ3KQVCWYPT6LQpnkoEVrRoMJjqHobtTceOtBlGxIX00G6 Vfa8s7ZwcBoX2XjbRcesjHVB9mtrukG05CULR2u88JsS90d1qGMjSeitGuyY5QLEKJ+H S1q1s7b6fMKfnb267vEvxIKYerfeDdDOHanGNhD04NB3SlSyecm6b48AknFCZi7GzJsR EvLXXa3C2jibniaKXmEF5AG0VRtxoP0PBpHjUmIK/kZnuEpHCBYFu2tFgzFI5FCwNnYv 6jbA==; dara=google.com ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; mx.google.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=(a)gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=lrYcmBua; arc=pass (i=1 dkim=pass dkdomain=gmail.com dmarc=pass fromdomain= gmail.com) spf=pass (google.com: domain of kictanet-bounces+odhiambo= gmail.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke designates 62.169.28.150 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="kictanet-bounces+odhiambo= gmail.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke"; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from= lists.kictanet.or.ke Return-Path: <kictanet-bounces+odhiambo=gmail.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Received: from eu.kictanet.or.ke (eu.kictanet.or.ke. [62.169.28.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a640c23a62f3a-afcdcfe5991si517853766b.444.2025.08.18.13.08.56 for <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 18 Aug 2025 13:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kictanet-bounces+odhiambo= gmail.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke designates 62.169.28.150 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.169.28.150; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=(a)gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=lrYcmBua; arc=pass (i=1 dkim=pass dkdomain=gmail.com dmarc=pass fromdomain= gmail.com) spf=pass (google.com: domain of kictanet-bounces+odhiambo= gmail.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke designates 62.169.28.150 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="kictanet-bounces+odhiambo= gmail.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke"; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from= lists.kictanet.or.ke Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by eu.kictanet.or.ke with esmtp (Exim 4.98.1) (envelope-from <kictanet-bounces+odhiambo= gmail.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>) id 1uo6A4-0000000CHwU-30KF for odhiambo(a)gmail.com; 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Column 'starting_email_id' cannot be null
by kroerig＠web.de Aug. 18, 2025

Aug. 18, 2025

Hello, after upgrading from Debian 11 to Debian 12 achiving incoming mails always fails with Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 581, in get_or_create return self.get(**kwargs), False File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 435, in get raise self.model.DoesNotExist( During handling of the above exception (Thread matching query does not exist.), another exception occurred: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 73, in execute return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 209, in execute res = self._query(query) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 316, in _query self._do_get_result(db) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 147, in _do_get_result self._result = result = self._get_result() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 349, in _get_result return self._get_db().store_result() During handling of the above exception ((1048, "Column 'starting_email_id' cannot be null")), another exception occurred: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 47, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py", line 40, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 117, in _decorator return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py", line 54, in wrapped_view return view_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 163, in archive add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py", line 153, in add_to_list email.save() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 739, in save self.save_base(using=using, force_insert=force_insert, File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 763, in save_base pre_save.send( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/dispatch/dispatcher.py", line 180, in send return [ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/dispatch/dispatcher.py", line 181, in <listcomp> (receiver, receiver(signal=self, sender=sender, **named)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/signals.py", line 48, in Email_on_pre_save kwargs["instance"].on_pre_save() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/email.py", line 239, in on_pre_save thread, _thread_created = Thread.objects.get_or_create( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 588, in get_or_create return self.create(**params), True File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 453, in create obj.save(force_insert=True, using=self.db) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 739, in save self.save_base(using=using, force_insert=force_insert, File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 776, in save_base updated = self._save_table( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 881, in _save_table results = self._do_insert(cls._base_manager, using, fields, returning_fields, raw) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 919, in _do_insert return manager._insert( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1270, in _insert return query.get_compiler(using=using).execute_sql(returning_fields) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1416, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 66, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers(sql, params, many=False, executor=self._execute) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 75, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 78, in execute raise IntegrityError(*tuple(e.args)) Exception Type: IntegrityError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive Exception Value: (1048, "Column 'starting_email_id' cannot be null") Postorius Version 1.3.8 HyperKitty Version 1.3.7 Any ideas how to fix this? Klauas

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help with startup scripts
by Piet Barber Aug. 15, 2025

Aug. 15, 2025

Hello, I'm trying to get mailman3 working on Ubuntu. I'm following these instructions: https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setup-virtualenv I've gotten to the point where I can successfully su - to the mailman3 user, and manually start the mailman3 process with the startup command. However, when I follow the systemctl startup scripts as per the instructions at the URL above, it get stuck in the startup ... forever Starting from the command line works great! (venv) mailman@arcus:~$ /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start Starting Mailman's master runner Generating MTA alias maps (venv) mailman@arcus:~$ (venv) mailman@arcus:~$ /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman status GNU Mailman is running (master pid: 47815) But when I try to start it from systemctl, it just hangs forever... root@arcus:/etc/nginx# systemctl start mailman3 If I background it, and check it out from systemctl status, I get that It's stuck in the startup mode. root@arcus:/etc/nginx# systemctl status mailman3 ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: enabled) Active: activating (start) since Wed 2025-08-13 23:12:05 UTC; 29s ago Process: 49024 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Tasks: 17 (limit: 4605) Memory: 878.0M (peak: 878.5M) CPU: 11.030s I've tried this with and without the forking entry in the systemctl configuration. No matter what I do, it's stuck in the ... Active: activating (start) since Wed 2025-08-13 23:13:37 UTC; 27s ago What am I missing? root@arcus:/etc/nginx# cat /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service [Unit] Description=GNU Mailing List Manager After=syslog.target network.target postgresql.service [Service] Type=forking PIDFile=/opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid User=mailman Group=mailman Environment="MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE=/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg" ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start ExecReload=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman restart ExecStop=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman stop Restart=on-failure RestartSec=15 [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target root@arcus:/# -- Piet Barber http://www.pietbarber.com/ http://blog.pietbarber.com/

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db migration from mailman3.2.2 to mailman3.3.9 (sqlite3 to postgres16)
by Peter Thornton Aug. 13, 2025

Aug. 13, 2025

Hello, I know this question comes up here periodically, but I am having some trouble performing a data migration from an older version of mailman3 to a more recent one. We have a legacy environment with: mailman3.2.2 postorius 1.2.4 hyperkitty 1.2.2 there are two sqlite3 dbs for mailman core and mailman web. I've staged a new environment using the docker-mailman project with the following: mailman3.3.9 postorius 1.3.10 hyperkitty 1.3.8 there is a single postgres db here for both core and web. I've tried migration a few different ways, using pgloader, and also with some manual python scripts. Data is definitely not my forte, but I am struggling to get a working instance. I am running into several issues such as foreignkeyviolations, datatype mismatches, unique PK errors, etc.. Does anyone out there have a prescriptive process for this migration, or a suggestion for workflow/tooling that has worked in a similar upgrade process? Thanks! -Peter

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default processing
by Sam Darwin Aug. 13, 2025

Aug. 13, 2025

Notice the repeated use of the word "default" (which is a great word, by the way). This creates confusion: Default action to take when this member posts to the list. List default -- follow the list's default member action. Default Processing -- run additional checks and accept the message. Due to backwards compatibility it may be difficult to change. But if it could be modified, how about: Action to take when this member posts to the list. List default -- follow the list's default member action. Standard Processing -- run additional checks and accept the message. In other words, in the context of message acceptance, the word "default" should have a certain selected meaning. Then make extra effort to choose other words for other actions, as proposed here, "Standard Processing", or something similar.

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Website 404 error
by peter＠pi4cc.nl Aug. 11, 2025

Aug. 11, 2025

Hello I'm running Debian 12 with the latest version and installed mailman3 via apt install-mailman3-full. Everything works, I'm using MySQL as the database. There's something strange, and I can't find a source/solution. When I first access the website domain.nl/mailman3, it's redirected to domain.nl/mailman/postorius/lists/, resulting in a 404 error (3 after mailman is missing). When I accessed it a second time with the same link (domain.nl/mailman3), I was redirected to domain.nl/mailman3/postorius/lists and the welcome page appeared. This is strange... I tested it on a mobile device with Chrome and Firefox, and on a desktop with Chrome and Edge. All the results were the same. Is there a specific file to look add? Regards, Peter

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Migration of archives mailman2 to mailman3: python: can't open file '/opt/mailman/manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
by Wikinaut Aug. 10, 2025

Aug. 10, 2025

Your current *) documentation says Migrate the list archives from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3 by running the following command: $ python manage.py hyperkitty_import -l foo-list(a)example.com $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox (venv) /opt/mailman $ python manage.py python: can't open file '/opt/mailman/manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory What did I wrong or what is that part of your documentation missing? *) https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html

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I wanted to upgrade the mailman3 documentation, but cannot see the promised link "edit on github"
by Wikinaut Aug. 10, 2025

Aug. 10, 2025

https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/documentation.html#edit-on-gitlab Please can you fix that?

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Vote irregularities
by Ron Aug. 10, 2025

Aug. 10, 2025

I've been playing with the voting system on a couple of lists (this one included). There are some weird behaviours I've noticed: * votes are frequently not immediately reflected - a page reload is required * some votes display as: 0 0 You dislike it (cancel) Here we see I've voted on a message, but the counts are still zero up and zero down. I just down-voted one of my posts as a test, and nothing changed in the page to reflect the vote. Often it takes multiple clicks, sometimes a page reload. Browser console shows voting generates a 200 response to a POST method, but the JSON confuses me: like 0 dislike 0 html '\n\n <form method="post" class="likeform"\n action="/archives/list/talk(a)lists.domain.tld/message/IK6WH4IQPZXOG3CIFV4CJGOKVFARGXA5/vote">\n <input type="hidden" name="csrfmiddlewaretoken" value="***">\n \n\t\t\n\t\t\t<a class="youlike vote "\n\t\t\thref="#like" data-vote="1" aria-label="Like thread">\n\t\t\t\t\t<i class="fa fa-thumbs-o-up"></i> 0\n\t\t\t</a>\n\t\t\t<a class="youdislike vote"\n\t\t\thref="#dislike" data-vote="-1" aria-label="Dislike thread">\n\t\t\t\t<i class="fa fa-thumbs-o-down"></i> 0\n\t\t\t</a>\n\t\t\n \n\n </form>\n' The uwsgi.log file entry for that vote is: [pid: 4010303|app: 0|req: 552908/575956] 127.0.0.1 () {66 vars in 1374 bytes} [Sun Aug 10 02:28:21 2025] POST /archives/list/talk(a)lists.domain.tld/message/IK6WH4IQPZXOG3CIFV4CJGOKVFARGXA5/vote => generated 696 bytes in 376 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 9 headers in 394 bytes (1 switches on core 1) Following the Permalink beside the voting options loads the specific message with no votes showing. Ctrl+F5 shows no votes. Re-casting vote and reloading shows no votes. Clicking "Back to thread" shows my message and: > 0 0 You dislike it (cancel) I don't think I've ever seen reliable voting on any MM3 site, including this one (I don't think I've seen zero / zero You {like|dislike} it (cancel) here, but multiple vote attempts to see the results is not unusual). Searching the archive shows something from ~6-7 years ago where caching was modified, seems relevant but nothing since. Am I alone in this, or is the feature so unused that nobody else noticed this?

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Problem upgrading from 2.1 to 3, dockerized
by jesper.holck＠ibsgaarden.dk Aug. 9, 2025

Aug. 9, 2025

I recently followed the instructions here https://github.com/g4rf/dockerized-mailcow-mailman, and was able to create a new Mailman 3, Debian-based installation. I then followed the instructions here https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html in order to migrate from my old, Centos-based installation, to the new, Debian-based installation. It seemed to work well, but unfortunately a problem showed up. Whenever someone posted to one of the lists on the new installation, the messages were rejected by Postfix: postfix-mailcow-1 | Aug 5 20:55:48 ef2b760c2e61 postfix/cleanup[8681]: B7B856099EC: message-id=<A8946B8E-2A47-4701-9548-4544981FAC5E(a)gmail.com> postfix-mailcow-1 | Aug 5 20:55:49 ef2b760c2e61 postfix/cleanup[8681]: B7B856099EC: milter-reject: END-OF-MESSAGE from unknown[172.22.1.1]: 5.7.1 This message does not meet our delivery requirements; from=<mylist-bounces(a)myserver.dk> to=<mylistuser1(a)gmail.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<[172.19.199.4]> postfix-mailcow-1 | Aug 5 20:55:50 ef2b760c2e61 postfix/cleanup[8681]: 216D36099EC: message-id=<A8946B8E-2A47-4701-9548-4544981FAC5E(a)gmail.com> postfix-mailcow-1 | Aug 5 20:55:50 ef2b760c2e61 postfix/cleanup[8681]: 216D36099EC: milter-reject: END-OF-MESSAGE from unknown[172.22.1.1]: 5.7.1 This message does not meet our delivery requirements; from=<mylist-bounces(a)myserver.dk> to=<mylistuser2(a)mail.dk> proto=ESMTP helo=<[172.19.199.4]> So, for each of the existing lists, I had to delete the old list and create a new one - with the same name and the same users. After this, everything seems to work as expected. Thanks for all the work you all has put into this, Jesper

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mailman addmember/syncmember commands print undecoded UTF-8 [ADD] or [DEL] mail addresses in its messages like "[ADD] =?utf-8?q?John_=....."
by Wikinaut Aug. 8, 2025

Aug. 8, 2025

My post here is merely about the information output when running mailman addmembers/syncmembers where I discovered strange looking lines. I noticed that addmember and syncmember output looks like [ADD] =?utf-8?q?John_=28Foo=29_Doe_=5Bcomment1=5D_=5Bcomment2=5D?= <john.foo.doe(a)example.com> whereas the entries in the Web-GUI look fine. I triple-checked the textfile from which the names stem from, yes, the file is UTF8. Is this behaviour of addmember/syncmember command output commonly known - or is this a small cosmetic bug? PS. At some moment I had, probably from my test and legay data file, also these codings in about fifty entries of my users lists, but deleted that users with a small script, so that user list is now clean. My post here is merely about the information output when running mailman addmembers/syncmembers.

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clearing pending db
by Morris Jones Aug. 8, 2025

Aug. 8, 2025

I have an admittedly out-of-date installation of Mailman 3.3 (3.3.2 Tom Sawyer) but it's been working without issues for a long time, so I haven't had much incentive to bring it up to date. Sorry! A couple of my larger mailing lists (around 500 members) are currently very slow when making changes through the UI (maybe that's my raison-to-update). They also both have very large lists of members "pending confirmation." My suspicion is that the large pending list is slowing down other operations. But pendingdb.evict() doesn't seem to clear the list. For example, on one of my lists: >>> from mailman.interfaces.pending import IPendings >>> >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> >>> pendingdb = getUtility(IPendings) >>> pendingdb.count() 5040 >>> pendingdb.evict() >>> pendingdb.count() 5040 >>> I have several lists, but none of them are extremely active, so I don't have a problem with wiping the pending db for all of them. And I also might be totally wrong in my guess. Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA

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Support question, not a bug: Is it possible and how, programmatically to change all settings from domain1 to domain2?
by Wikinaut Aug. 8, 2025

Aug. 8, 2025

@Mark & Stephen, now, where here everything appears to run smoothly on a new server, I want to change the testmail.domain (domain1) settings to mail.domain (domain2) settings. It would be a great help, if this can be done by python script respectively a mailman3 shell script. Is there any on your desk, or can you help me? I already defined in mailman/admin (django admin) that new target domain. I guess, at the end, there might also be a very changes in mailman.cfg and settings.py necessary.

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Main daemon process sticks around after forking
by Jérôme Charaoui Aug. 8, 2025

Aug. 8, 2025

Hello, I'm running a (rather large) mailman3 instance on Debian 13 (trixie) using the distribution packages. To manage the mailman3 daemon, the package installs this systemd service unit: https://sources.debian.org/src/mailman3/3.3.10-2/debian/mailman3.service/ It has been working fine until recently: after a reboot, we noticed the mailman3 unit consistently failing to start due to a timeout error. I figured out that the timeout was related to the service unit type (Type=forking) and the fact that the main/parent process was forking subprocesses (and running normally), writing a PID file, but it wasn't exiting, so systemd identifies this as an error and aborts the service. Since switching to Type=simple, it has been working fine. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen such behavior and how I could troubleshoot it. Thanks! -- Jérôme

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How to create a list with → advertised=false ← by command line "mailman create [OPTIONS] LISTNAME" ?
by Wikinaut Aug. 7, 2025

Aug. 7, 2025

I use the following REST-API sequence (excerpt:) to create a list but want to use the much quicker command line. However, only a few [OPTIONS] can be set via command line. Why? My wish is to have all options available in the command line of mailman? Excerpt from my generateMailinglists.py: # see https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… updates = { "description": f"{ML} {listname} ({NOW})", "info": f"{ML} {listname} (autogenerated {NOW})", "display_name": listname, "subject_prefix": f"[{listname.upper()}] ", "advertised": False, # the list will not be shown on mailman3 startpage "allow_list_posts": True, "default_nonmember_action": "discard", "default_member_action": "accept", "subscription_policy": "open", # accepted values are: open, confirm, moderate, confirm_then_moderate "unsubscription_policy": "open", # accepted values are: open, confirm, moderate, confirm_then_moderate "send_welcome_message": False, "send_goodbye_message": False, "archive_policy": "private", # accepted values are: public, private, never "preferred_language": "de", "member_roster_visibility": "members" # accepted values are: public, members, moderators } update_config(fqdn_listname, updates)

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How to run this script (attached) in the mailman shell (or withlist)?
by Wikinaut Aug. 6, 2025

Aug. 6, 2025

https://dpaste.com/39ZMH3M7S (Text below) The code works perfectly when pasted into the live shell of mailman. But not when I start "(venv) mailman withlist -r set_member_pref". ... module = import_module(module_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.9/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1030, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1007, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 984, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'set_members_prefs' What is wrong? Please can anyone help? Please can you add information in the documentation how exactly to run a script like that? # def set_members_prefs(): from zope.component import getUtility from mailman.interfaces.listmanager import IListManager from mailman.interfaces.member import DeliveryMode, DeliveryStatus hide_address = False delivery_status = DeliveryStatus.enabled lm = getUtility(IListManager) for mlist in lm.mailing_lists: print(f"... members in {mlist.fqdn_listname}") for member in mlist.members.members: prefs = member.preferences prefs.acknowledge_posts = True prefs.hide_address = hide_address prefs.preferred_language = 'de' prefs.receive_list_copy = True prefs.receive_own_postings = True prefs.delivery_mode = DeliveryMode.regular prefs.delivery_status = delivery_status print(f"Updated {member.address.email} in list {mlist.fqdn_listname}")

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Held messages not delivered after approval
by Stephan Krinetzki Aug. 6, 2025

Aug. 6, 2025

Hi all, I'm running into an issue with Mailman 3. Mails sent to a list are being held due to moderation settings — which is expected — but after approving them, they are not delivered to list members. The message does not end up in the shunt queue, and nothing is delivered. Here's what I see in the Mailman log: Jul 30 16:12:23 2025 (213300) HOLD: mm(a)lists.example.com post from sender(a)sub.example.com held, message-id=<20250730141221.5VVrn%sender(a)sub.example.com>: The message is not from a list member Jul 30 16:12:39 2025 (213338) held message approved, message-id: <20250730141221.5VVrn%sender(a)sub.example.com> In the mail log, I only see the message arriving — there's no sign of it being sent out. Any ideas on what could be going wrong or where else I should look? Mailman Core-Version GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API-Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python-Version 3.11.11 (main, Jun 20 2025, 00:00:00) [GCC 11.5.0 20240719 (Red Hat 11.5.0-5)] OS: Rocky 9 with Postfix MTA, installed as venv Thanks in advance Stephan

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Whitelist in mailman3: How to allow only ~400 e-mail senders in a file whitelist to send to a list?
by Wikinaut Aug. 5, 2025

Aug. 5, 2025

In mailman2, it was quite handy to place "@whitelist" into the field sender/accept_these_nonmembers, when such a file has been set up. How can I (per list or programmatically) define the ~400 e-mail senders to be allowed to send to my about 30 lists? And, yes, I already searched for a solution of this problem, but could not find any.

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How to create (or change) certain member preferences (in a list, or for all lists) by command line "mailman create [OPTIONS] LISTNAME" ? (Suggestion: modification of this command)
by Wikinaut Aug. 5, 2025

Aug. 5, 2025

Some member preferences - such as hide_address - cannot be set with the [OPTIONS] in the command line. I suggest to modify the code so that all member preferences can be set via the command line. What do you think? This is how I currently patch (some) member preferences (hide_address is a variable here) in a python script, but this takes a lot of time, depending on the number of users.... YMMV. patch_url = f"{member['self_link']}/preferences" patch_data = { "acknowledge_posts": True, "hide_address": hide_address, "preferred_language": "de", "receive_list_copy": True, "receive_own_postings": True, "delivery_mode": "regular", # accepted values are: regular, plaintext_digests, mime_digests, summary_digests "delivery_status": delivery_status # accepted values are: enabled, by_user, by_bounces, by_moderator, unknown } r = requests.patch(patch_url, json=patch_data, auth=AUTH, headers=HEADERS)

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Disable Sign-up per domain
by Mark Aug. 5, 2025

Aug. 5, 2025

Hi, GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) VENV installation Disabling the Account "Sign-up" globally can be done by adding the following to "/etc/mailman3/settings.py". ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter' I have several domains on the server. Is it possible to disable the Sign-up for only one of the domains ? Regards, Mark

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Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated
by Andreas Vetter Aug. 1, 2025

Aug. 1, 2025

Hello, I have a venv installation of: mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web I just did a pip install -U --upgrade-strategy eager When running mailman-web runjobs -l I get the following Warning: System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: ?: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated, use: settings.ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} I guess this is from allauth (version django-allauth-65.4.1). Changing ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD to ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS in /etc/mailman3/settings.py is not enough. One has to edit venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

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Advice on how to set announcement only lists?
by Sparks, Paul July 31, 2025

July 31, 2025

Here's the basics of what I'm trying to set up: The Web UI is not available. CLI tools are being used for configuration and ongoing maintenance functions. The server instance is ephemeral, but has persistent storage for postfix / mailman configuration. There are a series of notification lists list-0000(a)example.com, list-0001(a)example.com, etc. Users can subscribe / unsubscribe via email. A list-all(a)example.com list can be used to send posts to all lists (this is rare). A siteadmin(a)example.com email address is the only sender allowed to post to any list. A list-admin(a)example.com list is defined. This list should be copied on all posts that are sent to any of the notification lists. The admin list membership is maintained via CLI tools by list admins Below are a couple of ideas I've played around with, but haven't gotten a good solution. Suggestions would be welcome. I've had a little experience with the CLI tools, but I'm not having luck with trying to add non-members. Idea 1 Have list-all(a)example.com be an umbrella list with all notifications lists as members. list-admin(a)example.com is added to all lists as a member siteadmin(a)example.com is added to all notification lists as a member with moderation_action = Action.defer to allow sending posts. ues-all(a)example.com is added to all notification lists as a member with moderation_action = Action.defer to allow "nested" sending to members of the list-all list. There seem to be issues with having the senders as members of the list. Having them as non-members might be a solution, but I haven't yet figured out how to add non-members via CLI. Idea 2 Use cron with CLI tools to extract all notification list members and update (mailman syncmembers) the list-all membership. Use script to add all list-admin users to each notification list. Update all notification lists when the list-admin membership changes. This is somewhat problematic since individuals could be direct members of notification lists and removal from list-admin would remove the direct membership. siteadmin(a)example.com is added to all lists as a member with moderation_action = Action.defer to allow sending posts. ________________________________ The contents of this e-mail, including attachments, are intended for use by the named addressee only and may contain information that is confidential or private according to applicable law. If you received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender by a reply to sender only message, permanently delete the original message and any attachments from your electronic device and keep this message confidential. Unauthorized use, copying, review and/or distribution to unauthorized persons is strictly prohibited and subjects the user to penalty of law. Thank you for your cooperation.

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server/accounts/confirm-email/ lacks skinning (css)
by Wikinaut July 30, 2025

July 30, 2025

The newly installed mailman3 systems works, however the page accounts/confirm-email/ lacks the css. Can someone confirm my observation? Is there a fix?

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Upgrading other python packages than the mailman ones in a venv results in dependency conflicts
by Ulf R. July 29, 2025

July 29, 2025

Hello, I know this should be the way to upgrade: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-guide.html I have 3.3.10 installed. I saw that some python packages are outdated an tried this which install all outdated packages in a row: pip list --outdated --format=json | jq '.[].name' | xargs -n1 pip install -U One outdated package was django and this part happened: ------------------------------- vDownloading Django-5.1.4-py3-none-any.whl (8.3 MB) Installing collected packages: Django Attempting uninstall: Django Found existing installation: Django 4.2.16 Uninstalling Django-4.2.16: Successfully uninstalled Django-4.2.16 ERROR: pip's dependency resolver does not currently take into account all the packages that are installed. This behaviour is the source of the following dependency conflicts. hyperkitty 1.3.12 requires django<5.1,>=4.2, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. mailman-web 0.0.9 requires django<4.3,>=4.0, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. postorius 1.3.13 requires django<5.1,>=4.2, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. django-mailman3 1.3.15 requires django<5.1,>=4.2, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. Successfully installed Django-5.1.4 ------------------------------- So I made a roll back. Is this really the only secure way to update the venv?: pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web May be yes and I have to ignore the rest? ;-) Thank you und regards

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Missing Archived emails - Hyperkitty - CERT Issue
by willie.castillo＠caemilusa.com July 29, 2025

July 29, 2025

Looks like "hyperkitty" stopped archiving right after the CERT for the mailman3 website expired, How can I make the missing archives visible on the website? I see there "*pck" files in the/opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory. The list archive does not show that last posting [of 25 July 2025. ~$ ll -t /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 98215 Jul 25 12:01 1753459289.7901242+f3fd7ee77272862f8c1023394bf88d0d4bbe9053.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 98109 Jul 25 12:01 1753459289.7726512+ee1264c36a194eb0ec1a52089f053e6963f24369.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 88479 Jul 25 12:01 1753459289.7564857+2e27f35a57f757f058dc95e34c56722a76307900.pck The CERT on the website is now up-to-date

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PGP - S/MIME signed messages
by Peter Adebahr July 29, 2025

July 29, 2025

Hi * we are receiving a few PGP-signed posts as a S/MIME attachment. Some final recipients check these, and as mailman3 does not munge them - the original mail is signed, not mailman3's final posts - those get rejected. Does anyone have a idea how to handle this elegantly? Thank you Peter

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Hyperkitty error - not archiving
by Odhiambo Washington July 26, 2025

July 26, 2025

I am seeing the error below and wondering what's the cause: Jul 25 13:35:05 2025 (944) Could not archive the message with id < CO1PR06MB798076961F096CAA4DB9A2FCBB59A(a)CO1PR06MB7980.namprd06.prod.outlook.com > Jul 25 13:35:05 2025 (944) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list testlist.my.domain, message < CO1PR06MB798076961F096CAA4DB9A2FCBB59A(a)CO1PR06MB7980.namprd06.prod.outlook.com >) Jul 25 13:35:05 2025 (944) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge"> <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1"> <title>Server Error</title> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/django-mailman3/css/main.css"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/postorius/css/style.css"> </head> <body> <div class="container"> <h1>Server error</h1> <div class="alert alert-danger">An error occurred while processing your request.</div> </div> </body> </html> Jul 25 13:35:05 2025 (944) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 158, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 228, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Relay Access Denied
by jkoral＠luc.edu July 23, 2025

July 23, 2025

I have recently migrated my lists from an old mailman2 server to a new mailman3 server. The new server is named listservnew and the old server is called lists. Everything is working on the new server using the new name, but after changing the DNS of lists to point to the new server, I am getting Relay Access Denied. We are running this through an F5 and the RCPT from unknown is the F5 IP address. When I add that IP to the main.cf under mynetworks, I get a different error. Error before changing main.cf: 2025-07-20T22:14:30.381945-05:00 lstprdls01 postfix/smtpd[3713490]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[10.18.3.105]: 454 4.7.1 <joetest(a)lists.luc.edu>: Relay access denied; from=<jkoral(a)luc.edu> to=<joetest(a)lists.luc.edu> proto=ESMTP helo=<DM1PR04CU001.outbound.protection.outlook.com> Error after adding F5 IP to mynetworks: 2025-07-22T11:27:13.885111-05:00 lstprdls01 postfix/smtp[174935]: AB1C11C0229: to=<joetest(a)lists.luc.edu>, relay=lists.luc.edu[147.126.1.184]:25, delay=0.16, delays=0.11/0.01/0.04/0, dsn=5.4.6, status=bounced (mail for lists.luc.edu loops back to myself) Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Enforcing SSO and subscription options
by dlb-ml＠anl.gov July 21, 2025

July 21, 2025

Contrary to the messages I found in the archive, rather trying to delete or remove the social login portion of the sign in page, I'm looking to see if there's any way to isolate the third-party login section and prevent local account sign in and sign up. This way, we can ensure that the people within our organization are using a stronger auth method that prioritizes MFA, rather than just username/password. To do this, our plan is to block signups using "ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter'" and to remove the portions of the login template such that the username/password/forgot password fields are removed, leaving just the button to our SSO instance. I'm anticipating that this should be sufficient to block username/password sign ins, and is resistant to page manipulation due to CSRF tokens, but I wanted to ask to see if there was a better way, like an official configuration (which I have not found yet). I did see that there is the SOCALACCOUNT_ONLY option, as provided by allauth (https://docs.allauth.org/en/latest/socialaccount/configuration.html) but that broke any attempt to display the sign in page, and I'm assuming is not supported with the current version of MM3. Is my plan to modify the templates viable? Additionally, because external users would not have access to their own dashboards within the web UI, and since we are planning on disabling anonymous subscriptions with "SHOW_ANONYMOUS_SUBSCRIBE_FORM=False", the only two viable ways to subscribe to a list for them would be: 1) Send a request directly to the list owner or a superadmin to subscribe/unsubscribe the address 2) Allow email commands to subcribe/unsubscribe users (i.e. $LISTNAME-join@$DOMAIN) Given the discussions on disabling the anonymous subscription form, are the email commands a less spam-susceptible solution or are they just as vulnerable as the form? Thanks

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Block members from sending cc's and bcc's
by Cathryn McGuire July 19, 2025

July 19, 2025

Hi everyone, Using Mailman 3 with Affinity web interface and we want to stop our members from sending to cc: or bcc: We've found the Header Filter and cc and bcc appear in it. Tried to configure it to "hold for moderation," but it hasn't worked. Partly because we don't understand what to put in the Pattern input box. I put in cc: because it requires something. Can anyone advise? Cheers, Cathryn

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Mailman appears to send an email to a closed list, from a member who was removed from that list
by Andy Matthews July 18, 2025

July 18, 2025

My project is doing testing of our mailing lists and came across what appears to be a bug. I believe it's not but she insists that it is. So before I do a bunch of research I wanted to post my steps to reproduce and ask for input. I'm including the full (redacted) mailing list config at the bottom of this post for reference. * I have a closed mailing list, acme-closed(a)foo.com * That mailing list has multiple subscribers, including user-1. I confirmed this by shelling into our server and running `mailman members acme-closed(a)foo.com --role=any` on the OS command line. This showed all of the subscribers, including user-1. * I sent an mail FROM user-1 TO acme-closed, and it was received. And by that I mean I received an email TO acme-closed, FROM user-1. I also received the same email emails sent to the other subscribers since I use a catch all address for local testing. * In our system I closed user-1's account (which removes that user from the mailing list). I confirmed this by running the `mailman members` command and noting that user-1 was no longer a subscriber. * I sent another mail FROM user-1 TO acme-closed, and received two emails. One showed what appears to be a successful send to the mailing list. It showed acme-closed as the TO address, and user-1 as the sender. But I also received a second email TO user-1 FROM acme-closed whose body reads "Your message to the Acme-closed mailing-list was rejected for the following reasons: The message is not from a list member. The original message as received by Mailman is attached." So my PM is insistent that the first email is proof that there's a bug. "No e-mail sent from an e-mail address for a closed account should be sent to the mailing list." I on the other hand am arguing that the second email is proof that the email _wasn't_ actually sent to the list, and was instead a sort of bounceback to the user, However it's tough to argue with her logic because I agree the first email seems to have been incorrectly sent. Can you help me understand why the first email was sent, and if there's a way to prove with certainty that Mailman is behaving correctly? ``` accept_these_nonmembers: [] acceptablealias: [] admin_immed_notify: True admin_notify_mchanges: True administrators: [5 <Members>] administrivia: True advertised: False allow_list_posts: True anonymous_list: False archive_policy: ArchivePolicy.private archive_rendering_mode: ArchiveRenderingMode.text autorespond_owner: ResponseAction.none autorespond_postings: ResponseAction.none autorespond_requests: ResponseAction.none autoresponse_grace_period: 90 days, 0:00:00 autoresponse_owner_text: autoresponse_postings_text: autoresponse_request_text: bounce_info_stale_after: 7 days, 0:00:00 bounce_matching_headers: bounce_notify_owner_on_bounce_increment: False bounce_notify_owner_on_disable: True bounce_notify_owner_on_removal: True bounce_score_threshold: 5 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings: 3 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval: 7 days, 0:00:00 bounces_address: acme-closed-bounces(a)foo.com collapse_alternatives: True convert_html_to_plaintext: False created_at: 2025-07-18 17:22:54.921936 data_path: /var/mailman/lists/acme-closed.(a)foo.com default_member_action: Action.accept default_nonmember_action: Action.reject description: closed digest_is_default: False digest_last_sent_at: None digest_members: [] digest_send_periodic: True digest_size_threshold: 30.0 digest_volume_frequency: DigestFrequency.monthly digests_enabled: True discard_these_nonmembers: [] display_name: Acme-closed dmarc_addresses: [] dmarc_mitigate_action: DMARCMitigateAction.munge_from dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally: False dmarc_moderation_notice: dmarc_wrapped_message_text: domain: <Domain @foo.com> emergency: False encode_ascii_prefixes: False filter_action: FilterAction.discard filter_content: False filter_extensions: [] filter_types: [] first_strip_reply_to: None forward_auto_discards: True forward_unrecognized_bounces_to: UnrecognizedBounceDisposition.discard fqdn_listname: acme-closed(a)foo.com gateway_to_mail: False gateway_to_news: False hold_these_nonmembers: [] id: 2 include_rfc2369_headers: True info: join_address: acme-closed-join(a)foo.com last_digest_recipients: [] last_post_at: 2025-07-18 17:26:28.155475 leave_address: acme-closed-leave(a)foo.com linked_newsgroup: list_id: acme-closed.(a)foo.com list_name: acme-closed mail_host: @foo.com max_days_to_hold: 0 max_message_size: 20000 max_num_recipients: 0 member_moderation_notice: member_roster_visibility: RosterVisibility.moderators members: [6 members] metadata: MetaData() moderator_password: None moderators: [5 Members] newsgroup_moderation: NewsgroupModeration.none next_digest_number: 1 next_request_id: 1 nntp_prefix_subject_too: True no_reply_address: noreply(a)foo.com nonmember_rejection_notice: nonmembers: [2 Members] obscure_addresses: True owner_address: acme-closed-owner(a)foo.com owner_chain: default-owner-chain owner_pipeline: default-owner-pipeline owners: [] pass_extensions: [] pass_types: [] personalize: Personalization.none post_id: 2 posting_address: acme-closed(a)foo.com posting_chain: default-posting-chain posting_pipeline: default-posting-pipeline preferred_language: <Language [en] English (USA)> process_bounces: False regular_members: [6 Members] reject_these_nonmembers: [] reply_goes_to_list: ReplyToMunging.no_munging reply_to_address: None request_address: acme-closed-request(a)foo.com require_explicit_destination: True respond_to_post_requests: False scrub_nondigest: False send_goodbye_message: False send_welcome_message: False subject_prefix: [Acme-closed] subscribe_address: acme-closed-subscribe(a)foo.com subscribers: 13 Members] subscription_policy: SubscriptionPolicy.moderate topics: [] topics_bodylines_limit: 5 topics_enabled: False unsubscribe_address: acme-closed-unsubscribe(a)foo.com unsubscription_policy: SubscriptionPolicy.confirm usenet_watermark: None volume: 1 ```

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Customize subjects
by johannes.wolf＠kaaw.de July 17, 2025

July 17, 2025

Hi there, we have just started with internal tests around Mailman3 before we want to use it productively. Our instance runs on a virtualised Debian server. We have now started to work with the templates and created a new template ‘list:user:action:subscribe.txt’ under /var/lib/mailman3/templates/site/de. Unfortunately, we can't find out how to customise the subject of the email. Can anyone help us here? Regards Johannes

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RFC-2369 List-Unsubscribe header missing
by Sparks, Paul July 16, 2025

July 16, 2025

I forgot to include the mailing list in a reply to Stephen and I wantied to follow up here in case what I learned is helpful to others. One of the things Stephen suggested was that postfix was filtering the headers. That was true in my case. The configuration code I inherited had the following lines in /etc/postfix/header_checks /^List-Unsubscribe:/ IGNORE /^List-Subscribe:/ IGNORE > How are you capturing mail at postfix? For capturing the email at postifx I used the following steps I found on another website to defer SMTP sending so I could look at emails while they were "in process" by postfix. postconf -e defer_transports=smtp; postfix reload # send the email to the server mailq # Use ID from mailq to examine the email using postcat postcat -vq C23D82B60024 # Re-enable SMTP sending postconf -e defer_transports=; postfix reload; postfix flush As for the question about debugging in rfc-2369.py, I did have additional log.debug calls in the "process" method, but was not seeing anything from them. Perhaps they were not getting called as Stephen suggested. Stephen also mentioned in a private email to me about RFC 8058 "One-Click Leave" which is intended to make it easier for folks to unsubscribe from lists. We don't have an implementation in Mailman 3 yet, but it looks like a reasonable protocol (ie, not that easy to abuse, though not impossible). It can probably be implemented in Postfix (but it might not be straightforward). https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8058 ________________________________ The contents of this e-mail, including attachments, are intended for use by the named addressee only and may contain information that is confidential or private according to applicable law. If you received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender by a reply to sender only message, permanently delete the original message and any attachments from your electronic device and keep this message confidential. Unauthorized use, copying, review and/or distribution to unauthorized persons is strictly prohibited and subjects the user to penalty of law. Thank you for your cooperation.

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The RequestOptions.auto_parse_form_urlencoded option is deprecated.
by Odhiambo Washington July 16, 2025

July 16, 2025

Hello Admins, The subject appears as part of the output of `systemctl status mailman3`. Anyone fixed it? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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New Lists Appear in HyperKitty Archives, But No Mail Data is Shown
by Asif Muzammil July 14, 2025

July 14, 2025

Hello, I have been troubleshooting an issue with our Mailman 3 archives. I have made a key observation that has helped narrow down the problem. While a newly created list appears in the HyperKitty archives, no email data is shown inside that list. *Problem:* When I create a new mailing list in Mailman Core and then visit the HyperKitty archives, the list is correctly displayed. However, when I send an email to that list, no mail data (messages) are shown inside it. The message count for the list remains at zero in the archives UI. *Expected Behavior:* I expect that when a new list is created, it should appear in the archives, and any emails sent to it should also be correctly displayed within that list. *System Environment:* - *Mailman Version:* Mailman 3.x - *Archiver:* HyperKitty - *Web Interface:* Postorius - *Database:* PostgreSQL - *Setup:* Mailman Core (/opt/mailman/venv) and the web components (venv_hk) are running in separate virtual environments on the same server. *Troubleshooting Steps Taken:* 1. *List Synchronization:* Creating a new list in Mailman Core immediately makes it visible in the HyperKitty archives, which confirms that the mailmanweb service is correctly communicating with the hyperkitty_mailinglist table. 2. *Email Injection Test:* I used the mailman shell to inject a test email directly into a list. The inject_message function executed without errors. 3. *Configuration Check:* I have verified that the base_url in the Mailman archiver configuration (mailman-hyperkitty.cfg) and the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in the HyperKitty settings file (settings.py) are correctly set and match. Could this be due to an API key or permissions issue preventing the data from being written, even though the tables exist? Any advice on what to check next would be extremely helpful. Thanks

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Re: RFC-2369 List-Unsubscribe header missing
by Stephen J. Turnbull July 14, 2025

July 14, 2025

Hi Paul Glad you got that sorted! I wonder why those filters were in there? Not really the kind of thing I'd expect Postfix to be doing out of the box! Looks like you didn't send to the list (at least, I got my copy via personal mail, not the list). Replying for the benefit of Mailman-Users (nothing new to you here). Sparks, Paul writes: > Postfix was filtering the headers. I was not familiar with this > postfix functionality. > > For others who might see this, the filter lines were in /etc/postfix/header_checks > /^List-Unsubscribe:/ IGNORE > /^List-Subscribe:/ IGNORE > > How are you capturing mail at postfix? > > For capturing the email at postifx I used the following to defer SMTP sending. > postconf -e defer_transports=smtp; postfix reload That swooshing sound is that concept returning to hover over my head. > # send the email to the server > mailq > # Use ID from mailq to examine the email using postcat > postcat -vq C23D82B60024 > # Re-enable SMTP sending > postconf -e defer_transports=; postfix reload; postfix flush That's potentially useful in a lot of situations! Steve -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

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RFC-2369 List-Unsubscribe header missing
by paul.sparks＠us.idemia.com July 12, 2025

July 12, 2025

Thanks to Mark Sapiro and others who have answered questions on this list. It has made my job easier. I'm hoping someone can help with another issue I'm seeing. I'm setting up a new mailman 3 server and doing some test posts to a list. This server is intended only as an announcement list with limited members allowed to post. The resulting emails coming from the list do not include the List-Unsubscribe header although other "List-XXX" headers are included. I'm trying to figure out why the header is missing. It seems clear from the code that the header should be included. Here is partial text of the email source as received from the list. I've tried viewing in Outlook.com, Thunderbird, and even captured the email text at postfix prior to sending to look for the missing header. My domain has been replaced with "example.com" throughout. This is from the postfix capture ________ ... To: "test1(a)example.com" <test1(a)example.com> Thread-Topic: Post 8 test Thread-Index: AQHb8oBBzPBOYgrDxUOIiAxhvUzthA== Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 16:24:38 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US msip_labels: authentication-results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=example.com; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID-Hash: FWHZCRE4EA6IFP4BZTPIF23DKAKVRMDT X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 3.3.10 From: "Somewhere1, SW" <test1(a)example.com> X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: no-reply(a)example.com Subject: [Test1] Post 8 test List-Id: "Somewhere1, SW" <test1.example.com> List-Help: <mailto:test1-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Owner: <mailto:test1-owner@example.com> List-Post: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20250711163343.017C31DBB79(a)example.com> Body text ... __________ Details on my test setup: # Mailman version. __version__ = '3.3.10' OS: Amazon Linux 2023 (RHEL 9 compatible) MTA: postfix-3.7.2 I am using the following code with mailman shell to configure the list. include_rfc2369_headers is left at the default value of True (verified via mailman shell) ____________ # Description value must be passed as a parameter def configure_list(ml, description): #ml.accept_these_nonmembers = allowed_to_post ml.admin_immed_notify = False ml.advertised = False ml.allow_list_posts = False ml.anonymous_list = True ml.archive_policy = ArchivePolicy.never ml.bounce_info_stale_after = datetime.timedelta(days=90) ml.bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = False ml.bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = False ml.bounce_score_threshold = 3 ml.bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0 ml.default_member_action = Action.discard ml.default_nonmember_action = Action.discard ml.description = description ml.digests_enabled = False ml.filter_content = True ml.first_strip_reply_to = True ml.forward_auto_discards = False ml.max_days_to_hold = 1 ml.max_message_size = 0 ml.nntp_prefix_subject_too = False ml.pass_extensions = [] ml.pass_types = ['text/plain','multipart/alternative'] ml.reply_goes_to_list = ReplyToMunging.explicit_header ml.reply_to_address = "no-reply(a)example.com" ml.require_explicit_destination = False ml.respond_to_post_requests = False # Allow select members to post to list for mbr in ml.members.members: if str(mbr.address) in allowed_to_post: mbr.moderation_action = Action.defer print('end',mbr.address,mbr.moderation_action) _______________ /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg file: # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg # These settings override the defaults in the following 2 config files # /opt/mailman/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/schema.cfg # /opt/mailman/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/mailman.cfg [paths.custom] var_dir: /data/lib/mailman pid_file: /data/lib/mailman/pid/master.pid lock_file: /data/lib/mailman/pid/master.lock [mailman] layout: custom # This address is the "site owner" address. Certain messages which must be # delivered to a human, but which can't be delivered to a list owner (e.g. a # bounce from a list owner), will be sent to this address. It should point to # a human. site_owner: ml-owner(a)example.com [database] class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase url: postgresql:///mailman # No archiving enabled [archiver.prototype] enable: no [archiver.hyperkitty] enable: no [shell] history_file: $var_dir/history.py [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 [passwords] # When Mailman generates them, this is the default length of passwords. password_length: 15 [logging.debug] path: debug.log level: debug ______________ With debug enabled I see the rfc-2369 pipeline being run when processing the post to the list. Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] processing filebase: 1752256291.9136803+bfd305a28151ce750dde5114b413b351fa4d1284 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] processing onefile Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444090) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444090) [OutgoingRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444097) [DigestRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444097) [DigestRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] finishing filebase: 1752256291.9136803+bfd305a28151ce750dde5114b413b351fa4d1284 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] doing periodic Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] committing transaction Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] checking short circuit Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 1 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444087) [CommandRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444087) [CommandRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] processing filebase: 1752256292.373131+a372784a3ff7a76a662ed1c62c224a53a8008b8b Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] processing onefile Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444096) [VirginRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444096) [VirginRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: validate-authenticity Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: mime-delete Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: tagger Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: member-recipients Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: avoid-duplicates Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanse Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanse-dkim Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cook-headers Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: subject-prefix Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: rfc-2369 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) RFC 2369 process Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) RFC 2369 process continue 1 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) RFC 2369 process headers extend Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) RFC 2369 process header for loop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-archive Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-digest Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-usenet Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: after-delivery Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: acknowledge Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: dmarc Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-outgoing Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] finishing filebase: 1752256292.373131+a372784a3ff7a76a662ed1c62c224a53a8008b8b Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] doing periodic Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] committing transaction Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] checking short circuit Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 1 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444085) [ArchiveRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444085) [ArchiveRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444090) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444090) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1752256292.8885148+5e5c4a68eacfead13561df616fe7ca19e1d1d182 Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444090) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefile Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444097) [DigestRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444097) [DigestRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444090) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f21ed7b1310>: <175225629286.444091.14942604217243398224(a)ip-10-0-0-168.us-gov-west-1.compute.internal> Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloop _____________ I tried inserting some log.debug calls into lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/handlers/rfc_2369.py to see where headers were being removed and added. I modified: log = logging.getLogger('mailman.debug') and inserted log.debug throughout the process function and one in the top level. ___________ ... @public @implementer(IHandler) class RFC2369: """Add the RFC 2369 List-* headers.""" name = 'rfc-2369' description = _('Add the RFC 2369 List-* headers.') log.debug('RFC 2369 processing') def process(self, mlist, msg, msgdata): """See `IHandler`.""" process(mlist, msg, msgdata) __________ When running with debug enabled, I see this top level message many times at the top of the debug.log file during mailman startup, but not after that. I don't see any of my other debug messages. _____________ Jul 11 16:03:36 2025 (409226) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:40 2025 (409244) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:41 2025 (409250) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:49 2025 (409271) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409271) [DigestRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409271) [DigestRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409261) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409261) [BounceRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409261) [BounceRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409264) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409267) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409262) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409262) [CommandRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409262) [CommandRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409266) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409266) [PipelineRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409266) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 0 ... __________ Any suggestions on where else I can look? Any thoughts on why my debug calls are not showing in the logs?

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Displaying addresses in emails from a Mailman 3 installation
by Steve Brown July 5, 2025

July 5, 2025

In a list I administer, the From line in an incoming email shows [Poster's Name] via [List Name] <address for posting a reply> . I use Outlook as my client, but at least some other clients behave similarly. However, I have at least one subscriber who uses Mozilla's Thunderbird as his client, and periodically the format changes to something else, most recently to just [List Name <address for posting a reply> . I suspect this occurs from some combination of the way Thunderbird parses the header and the way it populates some kind of address book that makes autofill work, but I'm not sure. Is this a known problem? Is there an easy fix that will be stable? In the past, putting an association in his address book and removing others worked, but it didn't hold and he is frustrated.

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Caching problem with templates
by Mark June 29, 2025

June 29, 2025

Caching problem with templates. GNU Mailman 3.3.10 Python 3.11.2 Postorius Version 1.3.13 Venv installation per docs Hi All, A footer template is created and initially it works as expected. Editing the footer template sees the new content written to the database, In addition to viewing the edited content in the database, the new template can also be viewed in Lynx on localhost at: http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/<IDENTIFIER>/list:member:regular:footer The problem is that the original template is being cached somewhere and the old footer persists in new emails. In trying to get the edited footer to show in the emails I've restarted mailman3/mailmanweb, rebooted the server - but no joy. Any advice on how to flush the cache or hammer this gremlin greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark

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redirecting -bounces replies
by Hirayama, Pat June 26, 2025

June 26, 2025

Greetings, Is it possible to redirect the -bounces alias of a specific list so that it also goes to a person, in addition to the normal bounces processing for that list? In Mailman2, I know that I could do that by modifying the aliases table. I've been poking around in Mailman3, but haven't managed to figure out which container I need to be looking at. And rather than keep spinning, I figured that I'd ask the hive mind, since I'm sure one of you can quickly point me to the correct location. Thanks! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering - Infrastructure Fred Hutch Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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Change the default value for the General Archive Policy
by Markus Grandpré June 26, 2025

June 26, 2025

Dear list, currently, when I create a new mailing list with MM3 the value for "Archive policy" is always set to "Public archives". I'd like to change the default value for "Archive policy" to "Do not archive this list". How can I do this? In Debian 12 I find in </usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/forms/list_forms.py>: mlist_properties = ['archivers'] archive_policy_choices = ( ('public', _('Public archives')), ('private', _('Private archives')), ('never', _('Do not archive this list')), ) archive_rendering_mode_choices = ( ('text', _('Plain text')), ('markdown', _('Markdown text')), ) archive_policy = forms.ChoiceField( choices=archive_policy_choices, widget=forms.RadioSelect, label=_('Archive policy'), help_text=_('Policy for archiving messages for this list'), ) but have no idea how to change the settings here. Your help is very appreciated. Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations- und Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur Sachgebiet Diensteadministration Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Creating users via RestAPI / User-Management - a bunch of questions
by Christian Schneider June 23, 2025

June 23, 2025

Dear Mark and companions, somehow I can not cope with the user management... (I am running a venv-installation, latest stable versions) I read this manual: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… and played with the RestAPI calls... I know about the fine grained differences between user and member, admin/owner, superuser... and about the two user databases in PostgreSQL and Django-Framework. What I stumble upon is the RestAPI calls to create a "working" user (with the ability to login via WebUI). When I follow the manual (from the url above) I create a user (including password) that appears in the PostgreSQL database. (And this user is visible on the User-URL (https://example.com/mailman3/users)) Even when I (via WebUI) set the user as "approved" this user is not able to log in... I assume this restriction is in accordance to the fact that there is not equivalent Django user. (There was a mail in the archive of the MM3 user group...stating that one has to use the Django RestAPI to create the appropriate user) When I create the user using the WebUI (https://example.com/accounts/signup/?next=/mailman3/lists/) the new user is created in the right (complete) way...appearing in the PostgreSQL database and as a user in Django. How is this sync between the two databases realized? (The Django user also has the correct status (no staff status / no superuser status / just active status) how is this realized?) As I am not very familiar with python programming (I know Perl/Java/C++ and have an (maybe outdated) concept of OOP), is there a quick way to implement this kind of sync by copying the register logic from mailman's python action script for registering? Other questions: Will there be a create_admin_user-script that is callable via CLI (like createsuperuser or create_list)? (This script ought create a user in PostgreSQL and as Django user) How will a social account provider (like oidc) linkage (in Django) fit in this concept? Will oidc-accounts be copied to the Django's user database (or PostgreSQL db) or is it an on-the-fly check against the oidc-provider? (I assume second option) What are the status-flags (staff status/superuser status/active status) of the linked oidc-accounts? (Can I specify the status flags?) A conceptual thought: When "user1" (with email user1(a)example.com) is known to django via oidc linkage and I create "user1" (also with email user1(a)example.com) via RestAPI calls (following the url https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) do I have a "complete" user then? I mean a user who is able to login and who can be assigned to a list as admin (e.g.) (In this case I would not have to care about the Django user database... ;-)) Thank you for some clarifying hints... :-) Chris

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two signatures on sent mail?
by STR June 20, 2025

June 20, 2025

Hi, I am a very non-savvy mailman list user. I am trying to set up a list via cPanel but when I send emails there are two signatures. One is my usual signature and the other, below, is appended by Mailman and includes an http link to a non-existent page on my website. How do I strip the auto signature, just leaving my own? I use Mailman via cPanel on two separate hosting accounts. One works fine and this new one attaches the list address. I can't see what I did differently with the first! any help gratefully received Kate

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footer template priority
by Sam Darwin June 20, 2025

June 20, 2025

It seems templates can be configured in the filesystem or via postorius. When I place a footer template in the filesystem it worked fine. Then without adjusting any configuration, without removing that, I tried to use the postorius control panel to add a footer template, which ends up in the database, both the core and web databases. But emails stop getting sent out. Emails were posted into Hyperkitty, but not mailed out via postfix. Whatever system logs I have access to, I have checked. There are no apparent errors anyplace. Perhaps I didn't look in the right places. The problematic email arrives, is posted to Hyperkitty, but isn't emailed out to subscribers. As if the template broke something. I remove the template from the postorius UI. Those queued emails are instantly sent! The template said "test content". No variables. I checked on the server for "queued emails" and did not find those either, in postfix or mailman. Mysterious. The phenomenon is repeatable on this server. Add a footer template, emails stop.

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Django-allauth compatibility (ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD and ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED)
by Jan Eden June 17, 2025

June 17, 2025

Hi, after installing Mailman 3 in a new virtual environment, I ran into the compatibility issues with django-allauth discussed by Andreas Vetter and Mark Sapira on this list in February[1] and in March[2] – WARNINGS: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated, use: settings.ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} settings.ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED is deprecated, use: settings.ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['email*', 'username*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] – and solved them with the additions to /etc/mailman3/settings.py suggested by Mark: del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} del ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['email*', 'username*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] In the second list thread, Mark linked to the current (patched) version of mailman-web's mailman.py[3], which addresses the deprecation of ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD, but not of ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED. Is there any reason why the patch fixes only one of the two issues? - Jan [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… [2] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… [3] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/blob/c8b9aef1704b75b1cb6d0c925855a…

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Trouble Installing Mailman3
by Henry Hartley June 13, 2025

June 13, 2025

I'm having problems installing mailman3 following the instructions on https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html Everything goes well until I get to the Installing Mailman Core<https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-mail…> step, which has me do the following in my venv environment: (venv)$ pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary Ubuntu 24.04.02 LTS Python 3.12.3 pip version 24.0 First, I was getting problems because my company firewall was blocking outbound traffic. I got that taken care of. Next, I was seeing certificate errors, saying there was a self-signed certificate: WARNING: Retrying (Retry(total=0, connect=None, read=None, redirect=None, status=None)) after connection broken by 'SSLError(SSLCertVerificationError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: self-signed certificate in certificate chain (_ssl.c:1000)'))': /simple/wheel/ Could not fetch URL https://pypi.org/simple/wheel/: There was a problem confirming the ssl certificate: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='pypi.org', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /simple/wheel/ (Caused by SSLError(SSLCertVerificationError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: self-signed certificate in certificate chain (_ssl.c:1000)'))) - skipping When I added --trusted-host pypi.org that error went away but I'm still unable to install anything: (venv) mailman@wz-prd-tpmd-1:~$ pip -v --trusted-host pypi.org install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary Using pip 24.0 from /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/pip (python 3.12) ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement wheel (from versions: none) ERROR: No matching distribution found for wheel The same error shows up if I try to install just mailman or psycopg2-binary, except the word "wheel" is replace with whichever package I've requested. I've rerun the apt install of python3-dev and python3-venv to make sure those are present and up to date. Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated. -- Henry Hartley Westat

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mail loops back to myself
by Florian Sukup June 13, 2025

June 13, 2025

Hi, I've spent hours on finding the error but no success. I hope you can help: I am running Debian with older version of mailman3 (3.3.3) and postfix (3.5). Postfix on its own is working fine. I set up mailman, created a site/domain (lists.yyy.com) My hostname is host.xxx.com . My IP has a RDNS entry: reverse.rrr.com . When I send an email to my mailing list mylist(a)lists.yyy.com I receive an error email. The logfile says the following: ... Jun 9 00:23:38 arvak postfix/smtpd[]: connect from host.xxx.com[m.y.i.p] Jun 9 00:23:38 arvak postfix/relay/smtp[]: warning: host reverse.rrr.com[178.251.71.190]:25 greeted me with my own hostname host.xxx.com Jun 9 00:23:38 arvak postfix/relay/smtp[]: warning: host reverse.rrr.com[m.y.i.p]:25 replied to HELO/EHLO with my own hostname host.xxx.com Jun 9 00:23:38 arvak postfix/relay/smtp[]: 094895FADB: to=<mylist(a)lists.yyy.com>, relay=reverse.rrr.com[m.y.i.p]:25, delay=0.06, delays=0.03/0.01/0.02/0, dsn=5.4.6, status=bounced (mail for lists.yyy.com loops back to myself) Jun 9 00:23:38 arvak postfix/smtpd[114119]: disconnect from host.xxx.com[m.y.i.p] ehlo=1 quit=1 commands=2 ... The MX record of lists.yyy.com points to reverse.rrr.com. Not sure if this is the best idea? Can anyone give me a hint where to search for this error? Thanks a lot in advance! Florian.

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Full-text searching: why Haystack instead of PostgreSQL?
by admin＠bclug.ca June 10, 2025

June 10, 2025

I've been asked to give a presentation on a recent migration from MMv2 to MMv3 and one of the items in my notes is the question about why Haystack is used for full-text searching instead of PostgreSQL? Can someone shed some light on that decision? Thanks

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"to" Headers for Non-Anonymous lists
by Dan Caballero June 10, 2025

June 10, 2025

Hello, At the request of a list owner, we changed the settings on a list to "Anonymous = No" so that list members could see who a message was coming from. It seems a side effect of the setting is that users are now using "reply-to" and some messages are going out to the list addressed in the manner below. "Last Name, First Name via list-name <list-name(a)caltech.edu>" The list owner feels this is confusing and some members may inadvertently email the list when they intend to email the individual. I understand this is likely a client side caching issue since most email clients create an index of contacts based on previously received emails. Aside from reverting back to "Anonymous = Yes", is there any setting we can change at the list level to force the "to" field to persist as the list email address? Thanks in advance for your help. ---- Dan Caballero Systems Administrator Academic Computing Solutions IMSS - Caltech https://imss.caltech.edu

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"this held message has been lost"
by Ethan Furman June 10, 2025

June 10, 2025

I have now seen this message on two different occasions. Any ideas on what is happening? Happy to provide additional information if I am told what is needed (and how to get it -- I'm a web moderator for the list without access to the machine it runs on). :) -- ~Ethan~

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FW: You have been invited to join the ssan@lists.ccalternatives.org mailing list.
by Christian June 9, 2025

June 9, 2025

Thank you. When I as an admin invite someone to join a list through the web interface, this is the email the invitee receives. Note that it doesn't even have the Description from List Settings > List Identity. What's going on here? -----Original Message----- From: ssan-confirm+40d4507f7198e14bfd6ad89565461f782e099d60(a)lists.ccalternatives.o rg <ssan-confirm+40d4507f7198e14bfd6ad89565461f782e099d60(a)lists.ccalternatives. org> Sent: Friday, June 6, 2025 4:48 AM To: jack(a)safecomputing.org Subject: You have been invited to join the ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org mailing list. Your address "jack(a)safecomputing.org" has been invited to join the ssan mailing list at lists.ccalternatives.org by the ssan mailing list owner. You may accept the invitation by simply replying to this message. Or you should include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to ssan-request(a)lists.ccalternatives.org: confirm 40d4507f7198e14bfd6ad89565461f782e099d60 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers. If you want to decline this invitation, please simply disregard this message. If you have any questions, please send them to ssan-owner(a)lists.ccalternatives.org.

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Join a Mailman 3 list?
by Cathryn McGuire June 9, 2025

June 9, 2025

Hi, We’re currently hosted by EMWD who upgraded the Mailman 2 cPanel/Python and have been unable to resolve the issues we’re experiencing. We would like to join a Mailman 3 list to see how it all looks and works. Do you have any recommendation? Best, Cathryn McGuire

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Threads by month dropdown
by Sam Darwin June 7, 2025

June 7, 2025

Hi, After running hyperkitty_import to import thousands of emails from mailman2 (the years 2013-2025) I then ran another import for years 2004-2013 from another mbox file. It was an entirely earlier timeframe, which may be relevant. After the first import, the "Threads by month" dropdown showed 2013-2025. After the second import, the "Threads by month" dropdown showed 2013-2025. That is, 2004-2013 are missing. I have tried various things, including the mailman3-web cron maintenance tasks, waiting a day, and rebooting the server to clear memory. All messages were imported, and can be seen in "All threads". The messages are there. The only problem is the "Threads by month" dropdown. Beyond the dropdown, everything seems fine. Could it be a bug? Should I open an issue? Or, what should I try next? Is there a "refresh all threads by month" specific task? Deleting all archives and importing the older messages first... that worked correctly. It is a large destructive actions though, should that count as the official solution? Detour: While debugging it seemed to be an interesting question whether the mailman3-web periodic cron tasks had been running, and if those tasks affected the hyperkitty import. Referring to "Cron Jobs for Mailman Web" https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#cron-jobs-for-m… Those instructions are not dumping stdout/stderr to a log file, nor rotating the log files. What is your opinion if I sent a pull request that adds "Method 2 - Advanced", and include logging for the crons. Or maybe I am missing something. Is the output of the cron tasks getting logged in your environment?

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What is the best practice creating lists triggered by a another / second system?
by Christian Schneider June 6, 2025

June 6, 2025

Dear MM-Users, after reading a lot in the projects documentation of mailman3 I am not sure how to set up a "connection" between another system/server (running a self-service portal for our users) and the mailman3 server (venv-installation) for creating lists (giving a list owner's email address and a customized list style, given by name). On our old mailman-2.1 instance I used an ssh-tunnel and triggered the newlist-command with appropriate parameters. This seems a little bit outdated to me - nowadays... ;-) So I read about the rest api of mailman3 and thought, I might give it a go... On the other hand the rest api should not be exposed externally (localhost-only) as said here: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Running an nginx reverse proxy (and a firewall for the complete subnet) I am able to give dedicated access to the api but nevertheless I have no good feeling going this way... So my question is: What would be the best way to trigger creation of lists using a second system? Thank you for any suggestions! Chris

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Recently active discussions - Hyperkitty
by Sam Darwin June 5, 2025

June 5, 2025

Hi, Sometimes not sure if it's preferable to open a gitlab issue, or chat on the mailing list. I have run a large archive import into mailman3/hyperkitty. After that's done, waited a day, for scheduled cron jobs to complete. In "All Threads", all the email archives are present. The import worked. In "RECENTLY ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS" on the main page, it says: RECENTLY ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS No discussions this month (yet). Nothing there. That means if I direct users to visit the site, the page, it appears empty. That's too bad. :-) It should display recent emails. What would affect this feature during an archive import? Is it a problem with the import script itself, or with a scheduled cron job, or something else? Would you expect "Recently active discussions" be empty when very recent archives do exist? Thanks, Sam

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CPU usage when idle
by roughnecks May 29, 2025

May 29, 2025

Hello, if you look at this graph you'll notice how my VPS "reacted" after mailman3 install. It's a Debian stable host, and I installed packages via apt. I mean, isn't this a bit too much for a software that is idle, because no lists are currently in use? RED is my VPS, the other colors are other machines. Thanks -- roughnecks ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/jpeg Name: raw (1).jpg

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Unable to update templates
by Mark May 29, 2025

May 29, 2025

Hi, I'm unable to update the custom welcome template (list:user:notice:welcome) after it's initial creation. When the custom welcome template is created (in Postorius), and a user then subscribed by the list-owner (using mass subscribe), the welcome message is received as expected. However when I update the template, the databases are updated correctly but the Welcome message is still sent with the old template content. mailman.templates mailmanweb.postorius_emailtemplate Additionally, if I delete the template and create a new one the old content still gets sent. I cannot find where this content is written or is being cached. Any clues on tracking this bugbear down gratefully received. Regards, Mark $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://******:******@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ -- Installed with venv. ===================== Query to DB - mailman ===================== SELECT URI FROM TEMPLATE WHERE NAME = 'list:user:notice:welcome' AND context = 'testlist.example.com'; ====================== Result (all directories and file owned by 'mailman' with '765' permissions) ====================== file:///templates/list/testlist.example.com/list:user:notice:welcome ====================== Content of above Welcome file ====================== This is the second test Welcome message. ====================== Text of the welcome message actually received. (It's the content of the first custom template.) ====================== This is the first test message to Welcome new members.

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Re: MM broken after proxy migration (Nginx -> Caddy)
by Andreas Kemper May 28, 2025

May 28, 2025

Hi Stephen, thanks for the comprehensive explanations and sorry for initially not answering to the list (I expected this to be the default behaviour). Afterall it turned out that my mailman.db was somehow broken, even though I couldn't find any fishy / strange things in Postorius. Since anyhow just a few lists are hosted on the server and subscriptions for most of them being managed fron another program, I decided to remove MM3 completely and start with a fresh configuration. BR Andreas Am 28.05.2025 um 18:16 schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull: > Hi Andreas > > Andreas Kemper writes: > > > thanks for the quick response. > > Please reply to list (personal mail doesn't get read any faster) or to > all (I don't mind getting the duplicate). The odds are quite good > that somebody else will be able to reply before I do (I live in Japan, > normally I wouldn't be up now ;-). > > > Agree there, even though I haven't found any "settings.py" file in > > my Debian 12 installation yet. > > Normally the override settings.py is in /etc/mailman3/settings.py. If > you have no overrides, I don't know where Debian would put it. There > are actually several in the distribution where the highest levels are > normally in site-packages/mailman_web/settings/*.py (*not* named > "settings.py", I think they are "base.py" and "mailman.py"). Come to > think of it, I'm not sure whether Debian would put mailman and > mailman_web in site-packages or somewhere else. :-( (I'm a Debian > user since 1997, but my mission-critical applications are installed > from source.) > > > Hmm, executing > > > > sudo -u list mailman stop followed by > > sudo -u list mailman start > > > > first deletes and afterwards recreates the lock files, > > That is the expected behavior if Mailman is running normally. Are you > sure there's actually a recurring problem? Or did Mailman just crash > once, and the problem was the stale master lockfile? > > > where both of them are dated in the future, > > Also expected. I forget exactly what expiration of the lock file > triggers, but there's some regularly scheduled cleanup that happens > then. > > > plus mailman.log has a duplicate line in the end, > > It's a duplicate because the default is for there to be two processes > serving the REST API. This is configurable. See more comments at the > end. > > > even though I couldn't seen any mailman-related process (ps auxw | > > grep mailman) after stopping it. > > If the process is named by the full path to the executable, then you > will see "mailman", but if I recall correctly on Debian the Mailman > processes run under the users "list" for Mailman core, and "www-data" > for the web UIs. The various components run under different names: > master, nntp, lmtp, command, rest, etc. I forget what process names > you would see for the Django processes. > > > In doubt I will simply redirect the specific paths, mainly > > /accounts/fedora, > > That makes sense as the earlier you reject a connection the less > resources are used by your server, and the less information can leak > to an attacker. > > > small addition to my previous post. "ps auxw" shows in total three > > process for MM's rest component, i. e. > > > python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 > > > To serve ports 8000 and 8001, I would have expected two processes, > > but to see three of them surprises me somewhat. > > It's not uncommon for moderators to go AWOL, or for somebody to spam > the server with either posts or subscription activity, and end up with > hundreds or thousands of entries in the pending requests table. > Serving those queries can take a long timemany seconds or even time > out. Mailman core deals with it in the least complex, most robust way > imaginable: it runs more REST API server processes. (3 total by > default. One is the "master" that handles requests from the Django > apps and communication with Mailman core and starts new workers when > old ones exit or crash. Two are "workers" that actually handle a > certain number of requests then exit.) By default Mailman is > configured to use up to four when really busy, but normally there are > only two. > > Django runs only one -- it deals with concurrent requests in a > different way. > > Steve >

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Hyperkitty archive: date format in thread overview of list does not honor DATETIME_FORMAT of settings.py
by Christian Schneider May 28, 2025

May 28, 2025

Dear mailman community, with the help of you I was able to set up a new mailman3 environment (a big THANK YOU!!! :-)): OS: Ubuntu 24.04-LTS mailman: GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Python: 3.12.3 (main, Feb 4 2025, 14:48:35) [GCC 13.3.0] Method: Python Virtual Environment Installation My configuration files are placed in the following directory: /etc/mailman3 - gunicorn.py - mailman.cfg - settings.py The environment is up and running: A list for testing is set up and mails are transfered (and archived) using the test-list - successfully... :-) Looking at the thread overview of the list (in Hyperkitty archives) I realized that the shown date format is unusual (for Germany), like: Do Mai 22, 3:57 nachm. (meaning: Thu May 22, 3:57 p.m.) I would prefer a format like: 22-05-2025 15:57:24 So I tried to reconfigure this setting in settings.py according to this URL: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#configure-postorius-hyp… In settings.py I set DATETIME_FORMAT to 'd-m-Y H:i:s' but the format did not change. (After changing settings.py I initiated a restart of mailman3 and mailmanweb) I also set USE_L10N to False as suggested in Django-Docs: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.1/ref/settings/#std:setting-DATETIME_FO… My /etc/mailman3/settings.py is parsed - as far as I can say because changing USE_I18N to false (in /etc/mailman3/settings.py) switches date to English as this is my locales-setting on Ubuntu... Nevertheless the format stays the same (in this case: Thu May 22, 3:57 p.m.) How can I adjust the date format (in the discussion boxes) at the thread overview page (url: https://my-domain.de/archives/list/test-list@lists.my-domain.de/)? Any hint is appreciated! Thank you very much and kind regards Christian

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Place holders
by Mark May 28, 2025

May 28, 2025

Hi, The place holders listed as available on the "Add new template" page are: $hyperkitty_url $listname $list_id: $display_name $short_listname: $domain $info $request_email $owner_email $site_email $language The only one that seems to sort of work on my template is $list_id - which displays as "testlist". (I was expecting to see "testlist(a)example.com"). The others just get displayed as a variable. Eg. $owner_email Have I missed a setting somewhere? Regards, Mark GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0]

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list's RSS feed has wrong URLs (base path instead of subdomain)
by Simone May 28, 2025

May 28, 2025

Hello, very new to mailman :) I have set this up and it's working well so far, but today I noticed that links in list's RSS feed point to https://mydomain.tld, while mailman is running on https://lists.mydomain.tld. I wouldn't know how to fix this.. any hints? Thanks

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MM broken after proxy migration (Nginx -> Caddy)
by Andreas Kemper May 27, 2025

May 27, 2025

Hi, I've been running MM 3 for quite some time, with a couple of lists including members managed via the REST-API from an external program. After some issues with LetsEncrypt certificates, I migrated the HTTPs proxy from previous Nginx now to Caddy with the following Caddyfile: https://listen.dlc-aachen.de { header Strict-Transport-Security max-age=31536000; # Disable access to archive and registration redir /hyperkitty* https://listen.dlc-aachen.de redir /accounts/signup* https://listen.dlc-aachen.de reverse_proxy localhost:8000 { header_up X-Forwarded-Proto {scheme} header_up X-Forwarded-Host {host} } handle_path /static/* { file_server { root /var/lib/mailman3/web/static } } } Following this change, list continued operation as usual, but after a few days it seemed to be attacked via it's GUI, according to the attached Django error message. Since then mailman doesn't send out anymore mails and I have a persistent master.lck file. Furthermore, during mailman start smtp.log always shows a "Connection lost during _handle_client()". I guess the connection loss is related to the master.lck file, hence how can I get rid of it / "reset" mailman? In addion, should I include further directives in my Caddyfile in order to protect mailman from coming attacks? Thx a lot Andreas

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Django: An error occurred while processing your request.
by Florian Sukup May 27, 2025

May 27, 2025

Hi, I running Debian bookworm and have installed mailman3-full (+ postfix). I am new to mailman3 (using mailman2 now) and about exploring how to migrate. I had 3 sites or domains: example.com and two real ones. When I received emails from postorius, then it came from example.com which is nonsense as I worked with the real lists. So I deleted example.com. When I call https://.../mailman3/admin or any of the lists, the result is: Server error An error occurred while processing your request. How can I get out of it? This is only a test environment, so no heart attack. Thank you for any help. Florian.

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Masking email addresses in the archives
by Odhiambo Washington May 26, 2025

May 26, 2025

I must have missed this if it was ever discussed, but is it possible to mask the list members' email addresses in the archives? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Moderation -- implicit destination behavior
by Steve Bachinsky May 24, 2025

May 24, 2025

Hi. We have noticed some posts being held for moderation (even though user has permission to post to list) and Mailman reports: moderation_reasons: ['Message has implicit destination’] The lists are configured for “require_explicit_destination”. However, the email address of the list is clearly in the CC: header of the email (no alias or subdomain). Is there some other reason why Mailman would hold an email for moderation with the reason of “implicit destination”? This moderation is not consistent for same list and poster. The emails come from a large domain with multiple load-balancing email servers. I suspect that it may be something with one or more of the servers being misconfigured, but unable to see anything obvious from the headers and confused why Mailman states the reason to be implicit destination when that does not seem to be the cause. Thanks, Steve

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Execute assorted Mailman functions via Mailman shell terminal
by Andy Matthews May 15, 2025

May 15, 2025

When my company migrated from MM2 to MM3, they discovered there were things that didn't work as expected (don't get me started). So they developed a set of Python functions which allowed then to fill in the missing functionality. However, they've discovered that some of those functions either never worked properly, or no longer work. For example, ``` def list_nonmembers(mlist): for accepted in mlist.accept_these_nonmembers: print("Accepted: ",accepted) for held in mlist.hold_these_nonmembers: print("Held: ",held) ``` They're run by shelling into the machine which hosts mailman and executed like so (where scripts is `scripts.py`) ``` sudo -iu mailman mailman shell -l MAILING_LIST_ID --run scripts.list_nonmembers ``` I'm recommending that we install Postorius, as I suspect many of the functions they've written are already present in that UI, but it's not as simple as that. Instead they're wanting a handful of these functions (including the one listed above) replaced sooner than we could get Postorius up and running. I've gotten this far: ``` from mailman.interfaces.listmanager import IListManager from zope.component import getUtility mylist_id = 'bravo-open1(a)tena-sda.org' list_manager = getUtility(IListManager) mylist = list_manager.get(mylist_id) ``` The mylist variable is of type `mailman.model.mailinglist.MailingList`, and includes an Attributes for nonmembers: ``` mylist.nonmembers <mailman.model.roster.NonmemberRoster object at 0x7ffffa3e65b0> ``` But this nonmembers property doesn't output any users/addresses when printed, and throws a TypeError when I try to iterate over it: ``` Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> TypeError: 'NonmemberRoster' object is not iterable ``` So, given a mailing list instance, retrieved via `list_manager.get(mylist_id)`, how would I go about printing all nonmembers and their current roles in a list (held, accepted, etc.)? Alternately, is there a different question I should be asking in order to retrieve that information?

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Mass subscription and Delivery mode/status
by Andreas Vetter May 14, 2025

May 14, 2025

Hello all, we run a venv installation of "mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web". When I mass subscribe (pre-verified) a new mail address into a list, the Delivery mode appears as Regular in /mailman3/lists/somelist.example.com/members/member/ That is what I expect. When I click on the new mail address from there, i.e. mailman3/lists/somelist.example.com/members/options/eimer@mail.org?role=mem… the Delivery status is ----- instead of Enabled and the Delivery mode is ----- instead of Regular. In fact, all yes/no radio buttons are unset. This is unexpected. What does ----- mean in that case? Is it unset and some default (from the list?) is used? After thinking another round about it: Is the view mailman3/lists/somelist.example.com/members/options/eimer@mail.org?role=mem… only filled with values, when somebody (member, list owner or admin) actively set values and unfilled otherwise? -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

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Bots outbreak - Subscriptions pending user confirmation (58)
by Odhiambo Washington May 14, 2025

May 14, 2025

Daily, I am getting not less than 50 "Subscriptions pending user confirmation". There must be a way to stop them. I am using https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… already. <Location /accounts/signup> <Limit POST PUT DELETE> Order allow,deny Allow from all Include /opt/mailman/tor-exit-list.conf </Limit> </Location> wash@eu:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled$ cat /opt/mailman/tor-exit-list.conf | wc -l 2081 Does this mean the restrictions aren't caching them? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Can mailman3 use google or cloudflare captcha ?
by Kim Sunggun May 13, 2025

May 13, 2025

Hello, I can setup client side for any of captcha in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_mailman3/templates/account/login.html. However, I don't understand where I should I put captcha code(Server-side validation) for mailman3. is there any tip to setup captcha ?

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alembic.util.exc.CommandError: Can't locate revision identified by xx
by Lars Bjørndal May 13, 2025

May 13, 2025

I upgraded my Fedora distro from v.40-41. I did pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary When running the mailman command, I get alembic.util.exc.CommandError: Can't locate revision identified by '8cc1f79f4459' How do I solve this? Thanks, Lars

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Which file does 'account_login' in login.html point to?
by Kim Sunggun May 8, 2025

May 8, 2025

In /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_mailman3/templates/account/ <form class="login form-horizontal" method="POST" action="{% url 'account_login' %}"> #<-----------Here {% bootstrap_form_horizontal form 2 4 %} {% if redirect_field_value %} <input type="hidden" name="{{ redirect_field_name }}" value="{{ redirect_field_value }}" /> {% endif %} <div class="form-group"> <div class="offset-md-2 col-md-4"> <button class="btn btn-primary" type="submit">{% trans "Sign In" %}</button>   <a href="{% url 'account_reset_password' %}">{% trans "Forgot Password?" %}</a> </div> </div> </form>

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Exception when rendering certain emails ([Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error...)
by Matt Blissett May 5, 2025

May 5, 2025

Hi, I get exceptions logged when certain pages in the email archives (imported from Mailman 2) are opened. For example, this thread: https://lists.tdwg.org/archives/list/tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJ… Could this be a bug in parsing the message? It's deployed using the maxking Docker packages, v0.5.3b1. Thanks, Matt Log follows: Internal Server Error: /archives/list/tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJPACPZZN7UDNKJIPIFNTM7CA63/replies AssertionError at /archives/list/tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJPACPZZN7UDNKJIPIFNTM7CA63/replies No exception message supplied Request Method: GET Request URL: https://lists.tdwg.org/archives/list/tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJ… Django Version: 4.2.20 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.12.10 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python312.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.12', '/usr/lib/python3.12/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages'] Server time: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 15:04:09 +0000 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.github', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.gitlab', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.google'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 137, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/thread.py", line 269, in replies replies_html = replies_tpl.render(context, request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 175, in render return self._render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 238, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 208, in render return template.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 177, in render return self._render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1064, in render output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 742, in resolve new_obj = func(obj, *arg_vals) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/hyperkitty/templatetags/decorate.py", line 42, in render return mark_safe(text_renderer(content)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/markdown.py", line 120, in __call__ return self.parse(s)[0] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/markdown.py", line 93, in parse self.block.parse(state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 457, in parse end_pos2 = self.parse_method(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 216, in parse_method return func(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 368, in parse_block_quote text, end_pos = self.extract_block_quote(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 345, in extract_block_quote end_pos = self.parse_method(m4, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 216, in parse_method return func(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 387, in parse_list return parse_list(self, m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/list_parser.py", line 64, in parse_list groups = _parse_list_item(block, bullet, groups, token, state, rules) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/list_parser.py", line 174, in _parse_list_item block.parse(child, rules) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 457, in parse end_pos2 = self.parse_method(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 214, in parse_method assert lastgroup ^^^^^^^^^ Exception Type: AssertionError at /archives/list/tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJPACPZZN7UDNKJIPIFNTM7CA63/replies Raised during: hyperkitty.views.thread.replies Request information: USER: mailman-admin GET: sort = 'thread' last_view = '' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: csrftoken = '********************' sessionid = '********************'

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configuring postfix local recipient table
by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock May 5, 2025

May 5, 2025

**System Key Data** OS: Debian 12 mailman: GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Python: Python 3.11.2 (main, Nov 30 2024, 21:22:50) [GCC 12.2.0] Method: Python Virtual Environment Installation Ahoi, i am trying to configure a mailman3 instance to replace a mailman2 installation (both on different hosts). The mm3 instance is actually not reachable (Incoming) but can send (Outgoing), as is the desired state to be (we intend to swap IPs during change of systems). A. Verify Incoming To verify that emails send to the MTA (postfix) get properly handled and handed over to the mm3-instance i tried to substitute incoming email by a) swaks utility [1] (fail) b) telnet utility [2] (fail) c) command ''mailman inject'' [3] (success) With c) i copied a former generate testmail-file to the mm3-host and injected it directly to my testlist (leaving out the MTA). With a) and b) i tried to hand over a testmail via CLI to the MTA (postfix) what resulted in the error: "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table" B. /etc/postfix/main.cfg A search in mailman-users(a)mailman3.org archives [4] pointed me to the configuration of postfix as MTA [5], especially settings with the 'local_recipients_maps' parameter that should be set like [5]: local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps hash:/path-to-mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp what i did / already had done. C. aliasing, restarting services and test without , I then restarted postfix, rebuilt the postfix aliases (command ''newaliases'') and rebuilt the mailman aliases (command ''mailman aliases''), even tried with space-separation instead of coma-separation [6], testet again with same result. D. empty /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp and then i just found out that my postfix_lmpt file was empty (that i believe to be the the place from where the hastables take their input). Questions: 1. could somebody suggest a way, an entry should occur in postfix_lmtp? 2. What would be the appropriate order to manually generate aliases? first: postfix-command ''newaliases'' and second: mailman-command ''mailman aliases'' or reverse? 3. finding traces [7] of a file called postfix.cfg i can't find it (anymore) in the official installation instructions. Is that file (still?) necessary regarding: 3.1 parameter for default lookup table type 3.2 pointing to command ''postmap'' 4. to what user should the command ''postmap'' be available [8]? Any pointer to manuals or examples i may have missed or ideas on any of those 4 questions would be greatly appreciated. lg alexander Sources: [1] swaks utility https://jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/ [2] telnet utility https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telnet [3] command ''mailman inject'' https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d… [4] search mailman-users(a)mailman3.org archives 'user unknown in local recipient table' https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/search?q=user+unknown+in+local+recipien… [5] docs mm3: 'Hooking up your mail server' https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… [6] docs postfix: local_recipient_maps https://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#local_recipient_maps [7] traces of postfix.cfg + https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… + https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [8] docs mm3: transport maps (regarding command ''postmap'') https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…

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acceptable_aliases not updating venv/data/postfix_lmtp
by Stefan Bauer May 5, 2025

May 5, 2025

Dear Users, I'm trying to use acceptable_aliases for a specific list; Setting is also active; # curl -s -q --user restadmin:..... http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists/postmaster@domain/config | jq { "acceptable_aliases": [ "abuse@domain" ], However venv/data/postfix_lmtp does not contain abuse@domain, so postfix rejects the mail. What am i doing wrong? Mailman 3.3.9 Thanks in advance Stefan

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Log Owner/Moderator actions ban address matching.
by Hitashi mancho May 1, 2025

May 1, 2025

Dear All, In Mailman 3, is there any way we can log the Owner/Moderator actions like moderator "x" approved the posting on list(a)example.com? Also, I have configured some local ban lists and some global ban lists as per my organization's policy. In my setup, I observed that when someone from the ban list posts to the list, that posting goes into a blackhole without leaving any trace. I may have made some configuration mistakes, but can we log the ban list matching or generate a notification if some postings match the ban list? Regards, Hitachi.

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Auto discard after max_days_to_hold not working.
by Hitashi mancho May 1, 2025

May 1, 2025

Dear all, I have migrated around 300 mailing lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3. In most of the mailing lists we have configured "max_days_to_hold" to 2. It was working fine in Mailman 2. However, it is not working in Mailman 3. Mailman version: GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.9 Rocky Linux 9.5 Crontab: @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic 00 08 * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman notify * * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs minutely 0,15,30,45 * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs quarter_hourly @hourly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs hourly @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily @weekly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs weekly @monthly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs monthly @yearly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs yearly Please guide me in this regard. Regards, Hitachi.

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Mailman not starting after restoring from snapshot
by zachr＠mta.ca April 28, 2025

April 28, 2025

I made a snapshot of my mailman3 VM before running a script to modify a bunch of lists. I stupidly did not turn the VM off before I made the snapshot, so Im almost certain this is a corrupted DB problem from doing a snapshot restore. The issue is now that the mailman service will not start automatically. Im able to get to the web interface but I see the error "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." I can su to the mailman user and run 'mailman start -f' which seems to get things going again and shows the lists as they were before the snapshot, which is good, but I would like to get the issue fixed so that services start normally. Any help is appreciated. Here is some terminal output: ===================== ''' root@mlist3:~# systemctl status mailman3 × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2025-04-28 13:24:43 UTC; 1min 39s ago Process: 1873 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=2) CPU: 776ms Apr 28 13:24:42 mlist3 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. root@mlist3:~# systemctl start mailman3 Job for mailman3.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status mailman3.service" and "journalctl -xeu mailman3.service" for details. root@mlist3:~# journalctl -xeu mailman3.service ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has begun execution. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 662. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT ░░ Subject: Unit process exited ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ An ExecStart= process belonging to unit mailman3.service has exited. ░░ ░░ The process' exit code is 'exited' and its exit status is 2. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. ░░ Subject: Unit failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ The unit mailman3.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code'. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. ░░ Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has finished with a failure. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 662 and the job result is failed. Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... ░░ Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has begun execution ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has begun execution. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 1074. Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 mailman[1986]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 mailman[1986]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 mailman[1986]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Apr 28 13:30:22 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT ░░ Subject: Unit process exited ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ An ExecStart= process belonging to unit mailman3.service has exited. ░░ ░░ The process' exit code is 'exited' and its exit status is 2. Apr 28 13:30:22 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. ░░ Subject: Unit failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ The unit mailman3.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code'. Apr 28 13:30:22 mlist3 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. ░░ Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has finished with a failure. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 1074 and the job result is failed. ''' ====================================== Thank you in advance for any assistance.

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Info mails to list owners have "user@example.com" as from address (bounce score incremented)
by Ulf R. April 25, 2025

April 25, 2025

Hello, mails to list owners with subjects like <Mailaddress>'s bounce score incremented on <MyListName> comes from "user(a)example.com". Where is the right place to change this? We never defined this mail address anywhere. Thank you very much!

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Getting an error for every post made to any list
by sun zi April 23, 2025

April 23, 2025

As mentioned in the subject, I am getting the following error after every post. Any assistance would be much appreciated: --- ERROR 2025-04-22 11:21:21,356 11617 django.request Internal Server Error: /archives/api/mailman/archive Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 916, in get_or_create return self.get(**kwargs), False ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 637, in get raise self.model.DoesNotExist( hyperkitty.models.sender.Sender.DoesNotExist: Sender matching query does not exist. During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 89, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ psycopg2.errors.StringDataRightTruncation: value too long for type character varying(255) The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py", line 43, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 117, in _decorator return func(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py", line 56, in wrapper_view return view_func(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 163, in archive add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py", line 95, in add_to_list sender = Sender.objects.get_or_create(address=sender_address)[0] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 87, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 923, in get_or_create return self.create(**params), True ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 658, in create obj.save(force_insert=True, using=self.db) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 814, in save self.save_base( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 877, in save_base updated = self._save_table( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 1020, in _save_table results = self._do_insert( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 1061, in _do_insert return manager._insert( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 87, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1805, in _insert return query.get_compiler(using=using).execute_sql(returning_fields) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1822, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 67, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 80, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute with self.db.wrap_database_errors: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 91, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 89, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ django.db.utils.DataError: value too long for type character varying(255)

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Login confusion
by Markus Grandpré April 22, 2025

April 22, 2025

Dear list, We've encountered an issue with Postorius after migrating from Mailman 2.1. It appears that Postorius is treating email addresses with differing capitalization as distinct user accounts. For example, <markus.grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de> and <Markus.Grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de> are being recognized as separate identities. This is causing significant confusion. Users registered with one capitalization pattern are not seeing the list subscriptions and settings that were previously associated with their account (imported from Mailman v2.1) which used a different capitalization. Is there a known configuration option or method within Postorius (or Mailman 3 itself) to normalize or unify account identification, effectively treating email addresses as case-insensitive for account matching? We need a solution that ensures users see their correct list memberships regardless of the capitalization they use when logging in or that was used during the original Mailman 2.1 import. Thank you in advance Markus -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Moderator e-mails only going out once a day
by jkoral＠luc.edu April 22, 2025

April 22, 2025

Hi, I have just got done migrating from MM2 to MM3 and the users are experiencing issues with their moderated messages. After the message is sent, the moderator does not know about the message until the next day. I checked the maillogs and all those messages are being sent at the same time around midnight. I also noticed the messages are being sent from user(a)example.com, which I switched in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg to a generic e-mail address. Is there a way to change those moderator e-mails to send right away? Does having user(a)example.com in the config affect that? Thank you in advance, Joe

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Upgrade docker-mailman to v0.5.2
by Christopher April 21, 2025

April 21, 2025

Hi Abhilash, I checkout the v0.5.2 for testing my upgrade from 0.4.6 and noticed, that the docker-image-version is still set to 0.4 in docker-compose.yaml. Is there any reason for it or should it be set to 0.5? I´m still using my good old mariadb. I did not find any upgrade-informations about breaking-changes. Do you have any experience with migrating from 0.4.6 to 0.5.2 on mariadb? Best regards Chrclaus

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posting bounced with 501 Message has defects
by Hitashi mancho April 21, 2025

April 21, 2025

Dear All, One of our users posted an email using a Bluemail Desktop client on one of the mailing lists. This email bounced with the reason "501 Message has defects". However, it gets accepted if the same user posts the same email on the same mailing list using Webmail (RoundCube) or Thunderbird. There is nothing in mailman.log and bounce.log, even in debug mode. Following is the SMTP log for the same email posting and the email header. Any guidance in debugging this will be highly appreciated. Regards, Hitachi. *SMTP.LOG:* Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 44502) Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) handling connection Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'220 lists.example.com GNU Mailman LMTP runner 2.0' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) _handle_client readline: b'LHLO lists\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) >> b'LHLO lists' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b' 250-lists.example.com' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'250-SIZE 33554432' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'250-8BITMIME' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'250 HELP' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) _handle_client readline: b'MAIL FROM:< user1(a)example.com> SIZE=3086\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) >> b'MAIL FROM:< user1(a)example.com> SIZE=3086' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) sender: user1(a)example.com Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'250 OK' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) _handle_client readline: b'RCPT TO:< prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) >> b'RCPT TO:< prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) recip: prodlist-mm3(a)example.com Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'250 Ok' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) _handle_client readline: b'DATA\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) >> b'DATA' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: from relay.example.com (relay.example.com [10.198.5.2])\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tby lists (Postfix) with QMQP id 9AFF48D\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tfor < prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>; Mon, 21 Apr 2025 18:00:47 +0530 (IST)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Delivered-To: CLUSTERHOST relay.example.com prodlist-mm3(a)example.com\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: (qmail 7951 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2025 18:00:47 +0530\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.example.com) ([10.198.12.2])\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' (envelope-sender < user1(a)example.com>)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' by relay.example.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' for < prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>; 21 Apr 2025 18:00:47 +0530\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: (qmail 2533 invoked by uid 510); 21 Apr 2025 18:00:47 +0530\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from 10.198.12.3 by smtp2 (envelope-from < user1(a)example.com>, uid 501) with qmail-scanner-2.11\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' spamassassin: 3.4.1. mhr: 1.0. {clamdscan: 0.100.0/26337} \r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' Clear:RC:1(10.198.12.3):SA:0(-6.0/7.0):. Processed in 3.727185 secs; 21 Apr 2025 18:00:47 +0530\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp2.example.com\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Spam-Level: \r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_20,HTML_MESSAGE,\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tIITB_ORIG,IITB_TARGET_ADDRESS,INTRA_IITB_MAIL,PROPER_IITB_MSGID\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tautolearn=disabled version=3.4.1\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times.\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Envelope-From: user1(a)example.com\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: |\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: |\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.example.com) (10.198.12.3)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' by smtp2.example.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2025 18:00:43 +0530\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: from smtp-auth.example.com (smtpauth1.example.com [10.198.8.1])\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tby smtp3.example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70D4341971\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tfor < prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>; Mon, 21 Apr 2025 18:00:43 +0530 (IST)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: from localhost ( pruthvi.example.com [10.100.100.95])\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\t(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\t(No client certificate requested)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\t(Authenticated sender: user1(a)example.com)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tby smtp-auth.example.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AB0CB30C340\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tfor < prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>; Mon, 21 Apr 2025 18:00:43 +0530 (IST)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Type: multipart/alternative;\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' boundary="----sinikael-?=_1-17452386440190.1454723563624738"\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'From: user1 < user1(a)example.com>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Subject: test mail 14\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'To: prodlist-mm3(a)example.com \r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Message-Id: < 934811260a4bf.44bbdcec3e1d9(a)example.com>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 12:30:38 +0000\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'MIME-Version: 1.0\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'------sinikael-?=_1-17452386440190.1454723563624738\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Type: text/plain\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'test mail 14 Get BlueMail for Desktop\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'------sinikael-?=_1-17452386440190.1454723563624738\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'<html><head></head><body><div>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' <div dir="auto" id="compose-body-wrapper">test mail 14</div><div \r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'dir="auto" id="compose-body-wrapper"><br></div><div dir="auto" \r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'id="compose-body-wrapper"><br>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' <div dir="auto"><br></div>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' <div dir="auto" id="tmjah_g_1299">\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' Get BlueMail for Desktop\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' </div>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' <div dir="auto"><br></div>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' </div>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' </div></body></html>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'------sinikael-?=_1-17452386440190.1454723563624738--\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'.\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'501 Message has defects' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) _handle_client readline: b'QUIT\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) >> b'QUIT' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'221 Bye' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) connection lost Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) Connection lost during _handle_client() *EMAIL HEADER:* Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----sinikael-?=_1-17452386441150.6962994414278503" From: user1 <user1(a)example.com> Subject: test mail 14 To: prodlist-mm3(a)example.com Message-Id: <934811260a4bf.44bbdcec3e1d9(a)example.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 12:30:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 ------sinikael-?=_1-17452386441150.6962994414278503 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit test mail 14 Get BlueMail for Desktop ------sinikael-?=_1-17452386441150.6962994414278503 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html><head></head><body><div> <div dir="auto" id="compose-body-wrapper">test mail 14</div><div dir="auto" id="compose-body-wrapper"><br></div><div dir="auto" id="compose-body-wrapper"><br> <div dir="auto"><br></div> <div dir="auto" id="tmjah_g_1299"> Get BlueMail for Desktop </div> <div dir="auto"><br></div> </div> </div></body></html> ------sinikael-?=_1-17452386441150.6962994414278503--

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