July 2023 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

Find a smtp server to send out emails
by Leon March 12, 2025

March 12, 2025

Hi, This problem is not caused by mailman, but I still want to give it a shot here. I'm hosting a mailing list on top of mailman3. Emails are supposed to be sent out by AWS ses. However, ses requires that sender address must be verified, which leads to a problem that emails sent by subscribers to mailing list cannot be sent to other subcirbers, since their addresses are not verified. And it is impossible to verified every subscriber. Are there smtp service providers allowing unverified email address to send out emails, or do I have other solutions? Thanks. -- Best wishes, Leon

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Moderation of held emails vs. spam
by David Krantz March 11, 2025

March 11, 2025

Hi, I now run Mailman 3.3.1, installed from pip. Is there now any way to prevent Mailman from forwarding the contents of the held message when notifying moderators of held messages? In my case these messages often are spam messages and if the entire contents are forwarded it triggers spam handling in the recipient address(es) which over time risks classifying all moderation emails as spam or even classifying the list domain or server as a spam source. Even my own outgoing filter classifies it as spam, which I will fix. I currently run rspamd for spam filtering, graylisting and DKIM and ARC verification/signing. Someone on this recommended it, thank you for that as it removes the need for other milters. I guess that this would be a simple change to make as a kludge but a proper implementation as a setting would be a lot better. I'd like it as a global setting but that might be too coarse. Cheers // David

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How To Install Mailman 3 on Debian 10 (Complete Guide)
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 25, 2025

Feb. 25, 2025

I have finished my how-to install Mailman 3 on Debian 10 completed to the point where you can use it to get a fully functional Mailman 3 environment up and running. This is a comprehensive guide that walks you through installing EVERYTHING (currently!) that Mailman 3 needs to run. It also makes updating Mailman 3/Postorius/Hyperkitty very easy. I have not added the update directions yet but will very soon. I also plan on adding a section on setting up DKIM and Xapian with Mailman 3. I hope this helps those who wish to get a Mailman 3 server up and running quickly and brings a sense of sanity to the confusion regarding the various documentation out there concerning the installation of Mailman 3/Postorius/Hyperkitty. I intend to add a How-to for Ubuntu 20 at some point. Without further ado: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 I am sure the above guide can use improvements. Feel free to contact me off-list to point out mistakes/improvements, etc. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Re: mail stuck in "out" queue
by Dmitry Makovey Dec. 18, 2024

Dec. 18, 2024

So our mailman got stuck again, but I did follow your advise. Here's what I've found: On 3/29/19 2:58 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/29/19 2:28 PM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: >> I've had encountered this situation now twice: mail is being stuck in >> "out" queue and nothing in the logs indicates the issue. Is there a way >> to ask mailman-core politely to attempt delivery (perhaps with increased >> debugging in the logs) *without* restarting the core (which does solve >> *this* problem but creates other problems, like availability of the >> mailman as a whole) > > > Is the "out" runner running? yes: # docker top mailman-core | grep -F out: 100 21681 13215 0 Mar28 ? 01:14:16 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/bin/runner --runner=out:0:1 -C /etc/mailman.cfg > ps -fwwA |grep runner=out > > If not, you should be able to start it as the Mailman user with a > command like > > /path/to/python3 /path/to/mailman/bin/runner -C /path/to/mailman.cfg > --runner=out:0:1 > > See 'ps -fwwA|grep runner' for examples > > If the out runner is running, is there a file named *.bak along with all > the *.pck files in queue/out/ there is one, yes: # ls -l /srv/mail/mailman/core/var/queue/out/*.bak -rw-rw---- 1 100 65533 21512 Apr 14 19:45 /srv/mail/mailman/core/var/queue/out/1555296331.8386078+2c905825b82708e5a682b872b0aff320c9dd0b2e.bak what does it indicate and what should my steps be to resolve this (other than restarting queues)? > And if it's not, is there anything in Mailman's logs to indicate why it > died? > > Also, 'mailman restart' should only take a matter of seconds, but if the > out runner is running but not processing its queue, I think sending it a > SIGINT should restart it. SIGINT killed the process allright, but it didn't auto-respawn. I ended up spawning it with: /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/bin/runner --runner=out:0:1 -C /etc/mailman.cfg but soon realized it doesn't go to background nicely so I've nohup'ed it in the end. but it did solve my problem. -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

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How to Increase outgoing mail volume for Mailman 3
by Brian Carpenter Dec. 9, 2024

Dec. 9, 2024

Hello everyone, We had a new client come on board that brought a list that had the largest out-going mail volume that I have ever dealt with. So I did what any sane server administrator would do that is running Mailman 3: I ran to Mark Sapiro for help! Here is what the Sage of all things Mailman counseled me to do: 1. Disabled VERP delivery. VERP can help improve mail delivery by delivering 1 message per SMTP transaction (I think I got that right). Using VERP is counter-productive as it can seriously delay outgoing mail delivery for a high-volume list. So you can use something like the following in the MTA section of your mailman.cfg: [mta] verp_confirmations: no verp_personalized_deliveries: no verp_delivery_interval: 0 2. I configured Mailman 3 to run 4 outgoing runners. The default is 1. This action was the game changer. It allows Mailman to handle 4 incoming messages at a time instead of 1. My client's incoming list volume was high enough where it was overwhelming the single outgoing runner. Here is what I added to the mailman.cfg file: [runner.out] instances: 4 Doing this step immediately solved the backlog in var/queue/out. 3. If you start up with a new server for a list that is high volume then keep an eye out for Proofpoint and Vade Security as they will block your new IP address quicker than Mark Sapiro can say "This is a bug. See <some Gitlab.com url>" Mark, thank you! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Aborted connection message in log in every 5 minutes
by zoltan＠circle-interactive.co.uk Dec. 3, 2024

Dec. 3, 2024

Hi Everyone, we have mailman 3.3.8 venv test installation which in general works fine however our mysql error log is filled up with messages below because they are so frequent. 2023-02-24 0:31:30 199567 [Warning] Aborted connection 199567 to db: 'mailman' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) 2023-02-24 0:36:30 201063 [Warning] Aborted connection 201063 to db: 'mailman' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) 2023-02-24 0:41:31 202559 [Warning] Aborted connection 202559 to db: 'mailman' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) 2023-02-24 0:46:31 204056 [Warning] Aborted connection 204056 to db: 'mailman' user: 'mailman' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) As suggested here https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I tried to correlate with error logs and /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log shows some hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index: (2002, "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)" /opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log Message: OperationalError(2013, "Lost connection to MySQL server at 'handshake: reading initial communication packet', sy stem error: 104") but they have not such frequency so unsure if they are related. Thanks for the suggestions

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Backup and restore a single list
by sherin＠raidm.com Nov. 6, 2024

Nov. 6, 2024

Hello, I am new to mailman3 . I am looking for the procedure to backup and restore a single mailing list from mailman3. If any one know the procedure or the documentation , please point me

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Logging subscribes/unsubscribes
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 22, 2024

Oct. 22, 2024

Does Mailman 3 log subscribes and unsubscribes for each list the way Mailman 2 did? Brian

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Questions regarding message acceptance
by Pawel Grzywaczewski Sept. 19, 2024

Sept. 19, 2024

Hello, I have few questions regarding usage of Mailman3: 1) We have list1 and list2 with members. Can we specify that all members of list1 can post messages to list2? We could potentially write a script that would synchronize members of another list to “Accept these non-members” of another list, but with thousands of lists it will be difficult to maintain lists in synchro. So perhaps there is a concept of adding another list to “Accept these non-members” and mailman real-time evaluate membership of another list upon message arrival? 2) In explanation of “Accept these non-members” it’s written: “While non-regexp addresses can be entered here, it is preferred to add the address as a nonmember and set the nonmember's Moderation to Default Processing”. I noticed that if someone posts to a list then he is added automatically to non-members. Which means that next time he will be able to post. My understanding is that it’s better to use the feature “Accept these non-members”. Am I correct? Thank you, Paweł

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Disabled by bounce
by Allan Hansen Sept. 11, 2024

Sept. 11, 2024

Hi all, Apparently Google just started to get very aggressive about DKIM settings. Some hundreds of my subscribers have had their subscriptions disabled because of Google's bounces. I tried to 'Enable' some of them, expecting that their bounce scores would be reset, but when I list the users, the bounce scores are still 5. Please advise. Will enabling them without the bounce score being reset just cause the server to disable them again. Yours, Allan

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Display the last post time for a list or all lists.
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 9, 2024

Aug. 9, 2024

Does Mailman 3 have something similar to https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/last_post.py displaying the last post time for a list or all lists?

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MM3 generates long lines?
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au July 28, 2024

July 28, 2024

I'm seeing emails being dropped when mm3 talks to the local smtp server, with log errors like: 2021-06-23 15:42:24 1lvvea-007r8u-VN H=localhost (<FQDN>) [::1] F=<announce-bounces@<FQDN>> rejected after DATA: maximum allowed line length is 998 octets, got 1036 The email itself did not have such long lines AFAICT. I can disable line length checking on the mailserver, but that sounds like a recipe for the next one along to drop the email. Peter C

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Digests not working correctly
by Joel Lord June 8, 2024

June 8, 2024

So I seem to have problems with both periodic AND size-triggered digests. Size first, this is simpler. Just got one sent out, clearly triggered by a new email getting added to the queued up messages, but the setting for the list is the default 30KB and the digest came out at 23.2 KB. Is it measuring the accumulated queue as size on disk including metadata and filesystem block sizes or something, rather than the size of what the emailed digest will be? Periodic is much more complicated, even to explain. I have the cron job running nightly at 11:00 PM and it certainly seems to be working, except for one really odd thing. The list also definitely has periodic digests enabled in the web UI. This is a very bursty list, so it will go mad with traffic for a few weeks and then will go mostly idle for a month or so. The first digest of a burst is definitely size-triggered, but pretty reliably it has the last few messages from the previous burst in there. So the one I got today had three messages from today and one message from May 4th. But that May 4th message should have gone out at 11:00 PM on May 4th with the daily digest and then gotten flushed from the pending digest queue, right? -- Joel Lord

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Change config to create a new list with all archives off
by Tibor Molnar April 21, 2024

April 21, 2024

Can archiving be changed anywhere in mailman3 configs, so then all new lists created do not archive by default?

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Mailman 3 hosting query
by Bill Robertson April 18, 2024

April 18, 2024

Hi I'm investigating the possibility of transferring a fairly small mailing list I own from Google Groups to MM3 via a hosting service. I'd appreciate any pointers regarding what I should be looking out for with companies that offer this service It also seems very hard to find out which hosting companies are worth considering (In particular, reliability and support are important) Any help much is much appreciated Thanks

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mailman3 digest sending questions and also adding docker to the mix
by bob B April 17, 2024

April 17, 2024

So I have been down the digest rabbit hole. So to confirm my assumptions/findings: Digest size threshold---- means when the total size of held messages hits this setting, a digest is sent Digest Volume Frequency. ---- specifies when the digest volume number gets incremented for digest messages, IT DOES NOT send out digests based on the setting, daily, weekly ... So what does the GUI setting "Send Digest Periodically yes no" do? how periodically does it send digests, if this is set to yes? If I want to send a digest out for a list every day, or every week, how do I set that, especially in the docker environment? Is this something that can be configured in the GUI and configured by each of my list admins? I found that ”'mailman digests --periodic' via cron” should be set in googling, but does that mean I have to do a cron job for any list that wants a scheduled digest sent? My use case is, that I have a list admin who set a size threshold, but regardless of that, they also want their list digest sent out daily, they thought it was the "Digest Volume Frequency" setting but that is not correct. However in their testing they are not getting daily digest, they are getting digests only when the threshold is reached, BUT they have "Send Digest Periodically" set to "yes" and "Enable Digests" is set to "yes"

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hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index
by Ben Harris April 13, 2024

April 13, 2024

hello there, i migrated to a new host last night and i've been getting this error from a cronjob mail every minute. anyone have any ideas what would cause this? ERROR 2019-04-17 14:26:33,056 27205 hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index: ord() expected a character, but string of length 0 found Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 186, in run_with_lock fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 87, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 276, in update_backend last_max_pk=max_pk) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 97, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 178, in update self.setup() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 126, in setup self.index = self.storage.open_index(schema=self.schema) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/filedb/filestore.py", line 176, in open_index return indexclass(self, schema=schema, indexname=indexname) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 421, in __init__ TOC.read(self.storage, self.indexname, schema=self._schema) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 632, in read check_size("int", _INT_SIZE) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 626, in check_size sz = stream.read_varint() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/filedb/structfile.py", line 191, in read_varint return read_varint(self.read) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/util/varints.py", line 102, in read_varint b = ord(readfn(1)) thanks, ben

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Splitting hosts: mta&core vs postorius
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Jan. 18, 2024

Jan. 18, 2024

I'm trying to set up mailman3 on two hosts, one of which runs core + exim, the other runs postorius (&possibly hyperkitty). I have I think got core set up correctly, and postorius is sort of usable, but anything in the web ui that talks to core ends up with a white screen. I think what is happening is a postorius URL ends up with the core (or perhaps no) hostname, and as there's nothing there to answer it fails. I've checked the settings and I don't think I have misconfigured postorius. Is it possible that the bad url is being passed from core to postorius in some way and reused without changing the host? In the config at present, both hosts are visible to the browser, and each host can communicate with the other. Any ideas on how to pin down the problem better? Ruth

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how to migrate mailing lists to a new domain using mailman 3
by C. Souza Jan. 18, 2024

Jan. 18, 2024

In a few days my current domain will be disabled (it is out of my control) and I would like to know how to migrate the mailing lists to the new domain name. As a solution I added a new domain in mailman 3 and created a script that replicates the lists in this new domain. To forward the emails received by the old lists, the script removes the members and adds the email of the new list. Is there a fashionable way to do that? Also, one problem that I don't have a solution is the archive of the old lists. How to bring them to the new ones? Thanks for your help. My mailing list server is running on a CenOS-7x with postgreSQL and the following mailman packages: Package Version ------------------- ---------- 1 aiosmtpd 1.2.4 2 alembic 1.5.3 3 arrow 0.17.0 4 asgiref 3.3.1 5 atpublic 2.1.2 6 authheaders 0.13.0 7 authres 1.2.0 8 bleach 3.3.0 9 blessed 1.17.12 10 certifi 2020.12.5 11 cffi 1.14.4 12 chardet 4.0.0 13 click 7.1.2 14 cmarkgfm 0.5.2 15 cryptography 3.3.1 16 decorator 4.4.2 17 defusedxml 0.6.0 18 Django 3.0.12 19 django-allauth 0.44.0 20 django-appconf 1.0.4 21 django-compressor 2.4 22 django-extensions 3.1.0 23 django-gravatar2 1.4.4 24 django-haystack 3.0 25 django-mailman3 1.3.5 26 django-picklefield 3.0.1 27 django-q 1.3.4 28 djangorestframework 3.12.2 29 dkimpy 1.0.5 30 dnspython 2.1.0 31 docutils 0.16 32 falcon 2.0.0 33 flufl.bounce 3.0.1 34 flufl.i18n 2.0.2 35 flufl.lock 3.2 36 gunicorn 20.0.4 37 HyperKitty 1.3.3 38 idna 2.10 39 importlib-resources 5.1.0 40 lazr.config 2.2.3 41 lazr.delegates 2.0.4 42 mailman 3.3.2 43 mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 44 mailman-web 0.0.3 45 mailmanclient 3.3.2 46 Mako 1.1.4 47 MarkupSafe 1.1.1 48 networkx 2.5 49 nose 1.3.7 50 oauthlib 3.1.0 51 packaging 20.9 52 passlib 1.7.4 53 pip 21.0.1 54 postorius 1.3.3 55 psycopg2-binary 2.8.6 56 publicsuffix2 2.20191221 57 pycparser 2.20 58 Pygments 2.7.4 59 PyJWT 2.0.1 60 pyparsing 2.4.7 61 python-dateutil 2.8.1 62 python-editor 1.0.4 63 python3-openid 3.2.0 64 pytz 2021.1 65 rcssmin 1.0.6 66 readme-renderer 28.0 67 requests 2.25.1 68 requests-oauthlib 1.3.0 69 rjsmin 1.1.0 70 robot-detection 0.4 71 setuptools 39.2.0 72 six 1.15.0 73 SQLAlchemy 1.3.23 74 sqlparse 0.4.1 75 typing-extensions 3.7.4.3 76 urllib3 1.26.3 77 uWSGI 2.0.19.1 78 wcwidth 0.2.5 79 webencodings 0.5.1 80 wheel 0.36.2 81 Whoosh 2.7.4 82 zipp 3.4.0 83 zope.component 4.6.2 84 zope.configuration 4.4.0 85 zope.deferredimport 4.3.1 86 zope.deprecation 4.4.0 87 zope.event 4.5.0 88 zope.hookable 5.0.1 89 zope.i18nmessageid 5.0.1 90 zope.interface 5.2.0 91 zope.proxy 4.3.5 92 zope.schema 6.0.1 -- Carlos Souza

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Loops back to myself
by David Krantz Jan. 12, 2024

Jan. 12, 2024

Hi, I have a problem with my Mailman 3-setup. The symptom is that postfix rejects non-existing addresses for my list domains with <adr(a)example.com>: mail for example.com loops back to myself What I guess happens happens is that postfix for some reason accepts the mail as it is for a relay domain and finds that it is not deliverable locally as the address does not exist locally and then tries to relay it on to the appropriate MX server, which is itself and then fails and generates a bounce message. This is a bit annoying as I have set up postfix to only accept valid addresses. I have set the transport_maps, local_recipient_maps and relay_domains to the files generated by MM3. I run an older version of MM3 (3.0) but prefer to fix this without upgrading as upgrading is a relatively big undertaking. This is mostly a backscatter problem for spam I guess. Any ideas of very simple and easy to forget things that I've probably missed? Cheers // David

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Archive import fails: "IndexError: list index out of range"
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 6, 2024

Jan. 6, 2024

I am now importing the archives of my old mailman2 installation. Unfortunately, with some of the larger and older lists, import fails halfway through, with an exception, the last message of which is IndexError: list index out of range Below is an example. This means that the last few years are missing from the archive in several lists. Are there any suggestions what I could do to still get them importet? Thanks! Johannes File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2069, in get_msg_id token, value = get_dot_atom_text(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1334, in get_dot_atom_text raise errors.HeaderParseError("expected atom at a start of " email.errors.HeaderParseError: expected atom at a start of dot-atom-text but found '@localhost>' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 37, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 402, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 448, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 387, in handle importer.from_mbox(mbfile, report_name) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 212, in from_mbox progress_marker.tick(unquote(message.get("message-id", 'n/a'))) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/message.py", line 471, in get return self.policy.header_fetch_parse(k, v) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/policy.py", line 163, in header_fetch_parse return self.header_factory(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 607, in __call__ return self[name](name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 202, in __new__ cls.parse(value, kwds) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 535, in parse kwds['parse_tree'] = parse_tree = cls.value_parser(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2126, in parse_message_id token, value = get_msg_id(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2073, in get_msg_id token, value = get_obs_local_part(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1516, in get_obs_local_part if (obs_local_part[0].token_type == 'dot' or IndexError: list index out of range

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: SSL error while connecting to hyperkitty
by Abhilash Raj Nov. 29, 2023

Nov. 29, 2023

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, at 10:20 AM, sandeep kumar wrote: > Hi Abhilash > > Thanks for the reply. > > Just two more answers please -:) > > Can I use the sample apache.conf in example_project in my webserver virtual host...?? See this thread for the apache configuration: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… You'd need to adjust the paths and SSL configuration. > > And what should be the configuration details to be given in uwsgi server...?? http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#setting-up-a-wsgi-server > > Regards > Sandeep > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:25 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: >> __ >> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, at 8:49 AM, sandeep kumar wrote: >>> Hi Abhilash >>> >>> Thanks for your reply. -:) >>> >>> We are using apache httpd as webserver to redirect. >>> >>> the proxy pass in webserver is >>> >>> ProxyPass / http://localhost:8000 >>> ReverseProxyPass / http://localhost:8000 >> >> >> Can you put `base_url: http://localhost:8000/hyperkitty` in your mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and see that it works? :) >> >> This should not try any funny SSL redirection. >> >>> I don't have idea of deploying this in production, so I just went on searching and I found wsgi (say uwsgi) is required to send the requests from webserver to mailman. Correct me if I am wrong. >>> >>> I have few queries listed below. Please reply to them. >>> >>> Should I use the wsgi.py present in the directory of mailman-suite ...?? >> >> Yes, that is the one which is supposed to be used. >> >>> >>> What should be the ProxyPass ..?? Where should the first hit go from webserver ---> uwsgi ---> ?? >> >> uwsgi is web server running Mailman's web componenet. It doesn't need to hit anything. You can restart it directly when you want to restart Mailman's web component, you don't need to do anything to your web server (httpd) for this. >> >> >> >>> >>> Can we run "python manage.py runserver" every time to start mailman suite..?? Can we make mailman-suite start/stop just by restarting the HTTPD..?? >> >> >> No, use a wsgi server, like uwsgi or gunicorn to run mailman-suote. `python manage.runserver` is a command used during development shouldn't be used at all in prod. >> >>> >>> What should be the entry in Hyperkitty.cfg file after all the above steps..?? I mean at the end >>> >>> Please reply to the above queries. Thanks for your help >>> Regards >>> Sandeep >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 8:45 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: >>>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, at 1:36 AM, sandeep kumar wrote: >>>> > Hi Team >>>> > >>>> > Iam seeing following errors while mailman is trying to archive in >>>> > mailman.log >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > This is my base URL in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg >>>> > >>>> > base_url: http://localhost/hyperkitty >>>> >>>> Are you sure this is the URL? this is http and Mailman shouldn't try to connect to this using HTTPS. >>>> >>>> Is your web server configured to redirect all HTTP traffic to HTTPS? If that is the case, then it is going to fail. >>>> >>>> Which wsgi server are you using? uwsgi? >>>> >>>> Can you also show your ProxyPass configuration? >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > *During handling of the above exception, another exception >>>> > occurred:Traceback (most recent call last): File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/adapters.py", >>>> > line 449, in send timeout=timeout File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.24.1-py3.6.egg/urllib3/connectionpool.py", >>>> > line 638, in urlopen _stacktrace=sys.exc_info()[2]) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.24.1-py3.6.egg/urllib3/util/retry.py", >>>> > line 398, in increment raise MaxRetryError(_pool, url, error or >>>> > ResponseError(cause))urllib3.exceptions.MaxRetryError: >>>> > HTTPSConnectionPool(host='domain.com <http://domain.com>', port=443): >>>> > Max >>>> > retries exceeded with url: >>>> > /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=SecretArchiverAPIKey (Caused by >>>> > SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate >>>> > verify >>>> > failed (_ssl.c:841)'),))During handling of the above exception, another >>>> > exception occurred:Traceback (most recent call last): File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", >>>> > line >>>> > 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", >>>> > line >>>> > 201, in _send_message files={"message": ("message.txt", >>>> > message_text)}) >>>> > File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/api.py", >>>> > line 116, in post return request('post', url, data=data, json=json, >>>> > **kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/api.py", >>>> > line 60, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, >>>> > **kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 533, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 668, in send history = [resp for resp in gen] if allow_redirects >>>> > else [] File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 668, in <listcomp> history = [resp for resp in gen] if >>>> > allow_redirects else [] File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 247, in resolve_redirects **adapter_kwargs File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 646, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/adapters.py", >>>> > line 514, in send raise SSLError(e, >>>> > request=request)requests.exceptions.SSLError: >>>> > HTTPSConnectionPool(host=domain.com <http://domain.com>', port=443): Max >>>> > retries exceeded with url: >>>> > /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=SecretArchiverAPIKey (Caused by >>>> > SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate >>>> > verify >>>> > failed (_ssl.c:841)'),))* >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Rgrds >>>> > Sandeep >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:20 AM sandeep kumar <sandeep7790(a)gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Team any help >>>> > > >>>> > > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > > >>>> > > > On 30-Aug-2019, at 11:18 PM, sandeep kumar <sandeep7790(a)gmail.com> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Hi Team >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Iam using httpd to work with ssl on mailman 3 using proxy pass. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > After this configuration Iam not able to connect to hyperkitty. It is >>>> > > throwing ssl certificate error in mailman.log file. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > What should be the configuration of hyperkitty while using https in >>>> > > mailman..? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Please help me with this Iam struck here from past 4 days >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Rgrds >>>> > > > Sandeep >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Regards >>>> > Sandeep Kumar >>>> > +91-9642669192 >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers(a)python.org >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-leave(a)python.org >>>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ >>>> > Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 >>>> > >>>> > Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> thanks, >>>> Abhilash Raj (maxking) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> Sandeep Kumar >>> +91-9642669192 >>> >> >> -- >> thanks, >> Abhilash Raj (maxking) >> >> > > > -- > Regards > Sandeep Kumar > +91-9642669192 > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Mailman3 stopped sending out mail
by Abhijith PA Nov. 22, 2023

Nov. 22, 2023

Hello. Recently my mailman3 instance stopped distributing mail. But mailman's own mail (notification, digest etc) and archiving are working OK. I couldn't figure what is going wrong From mail.log --- Dec 31 10:03:20 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: Anonymous TLS connection established from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163]: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits) Dec 31 10:03:20 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: Anonymous TLS connection established from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163]: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits) Dec 31 10:03:20 lists policyd-spf[10907]: prepend Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=5.79.72.163; helo=mail.xxxx.xx; envelope-from=abhijith(a)xxxx.xx; receiver=<UNKNOWN> Dec 31 10:03:20 lists policyd-spf[10907]: prepend Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=5.79.72.163; helo=mail.xxxx.xx; envelope-from=abhijith(a)xxxx.xx; receiver=<UNKNOWN> Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: 04C2412038F: client=mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: 04C2412038F: client=mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/cleanup[10912]: 04C2412038F: message-id=<f875c144-a23c-baa2-7de2-1b102d3e7494(a)xxxx.xx> Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/cleanup[10912]: 04C2412038F: message-id=<f875c144-a23c-baa2-7de2-1b102d3e7494(a)xxxx.xx> Dec 31 10:03:21 lists opendkim[450]: 04C2412038F: s=_teknikKey d=xxxx.xx SSL Dec 31 10:03:21 lists opendkim[450]: 04C2412038F: s=_teknikKey d=xxxx.xx SSL Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: disconnect from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: disconnect from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: from=<abhijith(a)xxxx.xx>, size=1699, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: from=<abhijith(a)xxxx.xx>, size=1699, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/lmtp[10915]: 04C2412038F: to=<test3(a)lists.yyyy.yy>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.87, delays=0.62/0.02/0.04/0.2, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/lmtp[10915]: 04C2412038F: to=<test3(a)lists.yyyy.yy>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.87, delays=0.62/0.02/0.04/0.2, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: removed Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: removed I am not sure why 'postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: removed' is happening. from /var/log/mailman3/smtp.log: Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) handling connection Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'LHLO lists.xxxx.xx' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<abhijith(a)xxxx.xx>' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) sender: abhijith(a)xxxx.xx Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'RCPT TO:<test3(a)xxxx.xx>' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) recip: test3(a)xxxx.xx Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'DATA' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'QUIT' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) connection lost Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) Connection lost during _handle_client() Here again I am doubtful about 'Connection lost during _handle_client()'. Please help. Abhijith PA

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Internal Server Error: /mailman/accounts/fedora/login/
by Kilian Kilger Oct. 24, 2023

Oct. 24, 2023

Hi mailing list, I own a mailman box. I regularily (many times a day) get mail with an internal server error. I am using Debian and the included mailman3-full package. I guess someone tries to hack my instance. But I don't understand why this leads to the internal server error. I am also wondering why the request URL is /mailman/accounts/fedora/login, as I am using Debian (understandable if the request happens via an outside trigger). I have no clue about the internal workings of mailman though. I use Debian 11 bullseye and thus version 3.3.3. I can trigger the internal server error by myself by visiting the request URL. Despite these emails the instance seems to work fine. Best regards, Kilian. Internal Server Error: /mailman/accounts/fedora/login/ TypeError at /accounts/fedora/login/ _openid_consumer() missing 2 required positional arguments: 'provider' and 'endpoint' Request Method: GET Request URL: <URL>/mailman/accounts/fedora/login/?process=login&next=/mailman/accounts/password/reset/ Django Version: 2.2.24 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.9/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3.9/dist-packages'] Server time: Fr, 17 Sep 2021 06:12:57 +0000 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in view 71. return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in dispatch 97. return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in get 56. return self.post(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in post 67. client = _openid_consumer(request) Exception Type: TypeError at /accounts/fedora/login/ Exception Value: _openid_consumer() missing 2 required positional arguments: 'provider' and 'endpoint' Request information: USER: AnonymousUser

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username
by bryan.kartzman＠yu.edu Oct. 6, 2023

Oct. 6, 2023

Where is the username that a user uses to login on the postorius web page stored? I checked the postgres table public.user and while the display name is there, the username is not. I can't find it anywhere in the database.

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Mailman 3 - Header Filter
by Thomas Lehker Sept. 25, 2023

Sept. 25, 2023

I am a Mailman neophyte and need help with filtering posts based on the subject field. We have a few list owners that want 'Out of Office' replies discarded. When using the below syntax in Postorius/Header filter the post is not discarded but ends up in 'Held Messages'. Is there any syntax I am missing or a setting in the lists that needs to be disabled/enabled to get these posts dropped? Any help is much appreciated. Header: ^subject: subject: subject Pattern: Automatic Reply 'Automatic Reply' "Automatic Reply" Action: Discard DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to the message and delete/destroy any copy of this message. Information in this message that does not relate to the official business of the firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it.

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Strange password problem
by Eggert Ehmke Sept. 25, 2023

Sept. 25, 2023

This happened several times recently with Postorius Version 1.3.8: -I try to log in as admin -rejected because of wrong password (password is stored in browser) -used forgotten password function -reset password to the stored value from browser -login works now. Works also when logged out/in again -however, the next day this behaviour repeats. Any hints?

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Hyperkitty
by Massimiliano Paragnani Sept. 21, 2023

Sept. 21, 2023

I set up the mailman3 services and lists, and we can send mail to the list successfully. However in the Archive section I couldn't see anything. My configuration: ubuntu, milman core 3.2.2, postresql, postorius 1.2.4, hyperkitty 1.3.2 This is my mailman conf result: [antispam] header_checks: [antispam] jump_chain: hold [archiver.mail_archive] class: mailman.archiving.mailarchive.MailArchive [archiver.mail_archive] clobber_date: maybe [archiver.mail_archive] clobber_skew: 1d [archiver.mail_archive] configuration: python:mailman.config.mail_archive [archiver.mail_archive] enable: no [archiver.mhonarc] class: mailman.archiving.mhonarc.MHonArc [archiver.mhonarc] clobber_date: maybe [archiver.mhonarc] clobber_skew: 1d [archiver.mhonarc] configuration: python:mailman.config.mhonarc [archiver.mhonarc] enable: no [archiver.prototype] class: mailman.archiving.prototype.Prototype [archiver.prototype] clobber_date: maybe [archiver.prototype] clobber_skew: 1d [archiver.prototype] configuration: changeme [archiver.prototype] enable: no [bounces] register_bounces_every: 15m [database] class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase [database] debug: no [database] url: postgres://mailman3:--------------@localhost/mailman3 [devmode] enabled: no [devmode] recipient: [devmode] testing: no [devmode] wait: 60s [digests] mime_digest_keep_headers: Date From To Cc Subject Message-ID Keywords In-Reply-To References Content-Type MIME-Version Content-Transfer-Encoding Precedence Reply-To Message List-Post [digests] plain_digest_keep_headers: Message Date From Subject To Cc Message-ID Keywords Content-Type [dmarc] cache_lifetime: 7d [dmarc] org_domain_data_url: https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat [dmarc] resolver_lifetime: 5s [dmarc] resolver_timeout: 3s [language.ar] charset: utf-8 [language.ar] description: Arabic [language.ar] enabled: yes [language.ast] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.ast] description: Asturian [language.ast] enabled: yes [language.ca] charset: utf-8 [language.ca] description: Catalan [language.ca] enabled: yes [language.cs] charset: iso-8859-2 [language.cs] description: Czech [language.cs] enabled: yes [language.da] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.da] description: Danish [language.da] enabled: yes [language.de] charset: utf-8 [language.de] description: German [language.de] enabled: yes [language.el] charset: iso-8859-7 [language.el] description: Greek [language.el] enabled: yes [language.es] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.es] description: Spanish [language.es] enabled: yes [language.et] charset: iso-8859-15 [language.et] description: Estonian [language.et] enabled: yes [language.eu] charset: iso-8859-15 [language.eu] description: Euskara [language.eu] enabled: yes [language.fi] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.fi] description: Finnish [language.fi] enabled: yes [language.fr] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.fr] description: French [language.fr] enabled: yes [language.gl] charset: utf-8 [language.gl] description: Galician [language.gl] enabled: yes [language.he] charset: utf-8 [language.he] description: Hebrew [language.he] enabled: yes [language.hr] charset: iso-8859-2 [language.hr] description: Croatian [language.hr] enabled: yes [language.hu] charset: iso-8859-2 [language.hu] description: Hungarian [language.hu] enabled: yes [language.ia] charset: iso-8859-15 [language.ia] description: Interlingua [language.ia] enabled: yes [language.it] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.it] description: Italian [language.it] enabled: yes [language.ja] charset: euc-jp [language.ja] description: Japanese [language.ja] enabled: yes [language.ko] charset: euc-kr [language.ko] description: Korean [language.ko] enabled: yes [language.lt] charset: iso-8859-13 [language.lt] description: Lithuanian [language.lt] enabled: yes [language.nl] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.nl] description: Dutch [language.nl] enabled: yes [language.no] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.no] description: Norwegian [language.no] enabled: yes [language.pl] charset: iso-8859-2 [language.pl] description: Polish [language.pl] enabled: yes [language.pt] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.pt] description: Protuguese [language.pt] enabled: yes [language.pt_BR] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.pt_BR] description: Protuguese (Brazil) [language.pt_BR] enabled: yes [language.ro] charset: iso-8859-2 [language.ro] description: Romanian [language.ro] enabled: yes [language.ru] charset: koi8-r [language.ru] description: Russian [language.ru] enabled: yes [language.sk] charset: utf-8 [language.sk] description: Slovak [language.sk] enabled: yes [language.sl] charset: iso-8859-2 [language.sl] description: Slovenian [language.sl] enabled: yes [language.sr] charset: utf-8 [language.sr] description: Serbian [language.sr] enabled: yes [language.sv] charset: iso-8859-1 [language.sv] description: Swedish [language.sv] enabled: yes [language.tr] charset: iso-8859-9 [language.tr] description: Turkish [language.tr] enabled: yes [language.uk] charset: utf-8 [language.uk] description: Ukrainian [language.uk] enabled: yes [language.vi] charset: utf-8 [language.vi] description: Vietnamese [language.vi] enabled: yes [language.zh_CN] charset: utf-8 [language.zh_CN] description: Chinese [language.zh_CN] enabled: yes [language.zh_TW] charset: utf-8 [language.zh_TW] description: Chinese (Taiwan) [language.zh_TW] enabled: yes [logging.archiver] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.archiver] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.archiver] level: info [logging.archiver] path: mailman.log [logging.archiver] propagate: no [logging.bounce] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.bounce] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.bounce] level: info [logging.bounce] path: bounce.log [logging.bounce] propagate: no [logging.config] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.config] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.config] level: info [logging.config] path: mailman.log [logging.config] propagate: no [logging.database] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.database] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.database] level: warn [logging.database] path: mailman.log [logging.database] propagate: no [logging.debug] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.debug] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.debug] level: info [logging.debug] path: debug.log [logging.debug] propagate: no [logging.error] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.error] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.error] level: info [logging.error] path: mailman.log [logging.error] propagate: no [logging.fromusenet] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.fromusenet] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.fromusenet] level: info [logging.fromusenet] path: mailman.log [logging.fromusenet] propagate: no [logging.http] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.http] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.http] level: info [logging.http] path: mailman.log [logging.http] propagate: no [logging.locks] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.locks] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.locks] level: info [logging.locks] path: mailman.log [logging.locks] propagate: no [logging.mischief] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.mischief] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.mischief] level: info [logging.mischief] path: mailman.log [logging.mischief] propagate: no [logging.plugins] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.plugins] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.plugins] level: info [logging.plugins] path: plugins.log [logging.plugins] propagate: no [logging.root] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.root] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.root] level: info [logging.root] path: mailman.log [logging.root] propagate: no [logging.runner] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.runner] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.runner] level: info [logging.runner] path: mailman.log [logging.runner] propagate: no [logging.smtp] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.smtp] every: $msgid smtp to $listname for $recip recips, completed in $time seconds [logging.smtp] failure: $msgid delivery to $recip failed with code $smtpcode, $smtpmsg [logging.smtp] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.smtp] level: info [logging.smtp] path: smtp.log [logging.smtp] propagate: no [logging.smtp] refused: $msgid post to $listname from $sender, $size bytes, $refused failures [logging.smtp] success: $msgid post to $listname from $sender, $size bytes [logging.subscribe] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.subscribe] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.subscribe] level: info [logging.subscribe] path: mailman.log [logging.subscribe] propagate: no [logging.vette] datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y [logging.vette] format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s [logging.vette] level: info [logging.vette] path: mailman.log [logging.vette] propagate: no [mailman] cache_life: 7d [mailman] default_language: en [mailman] email_commands_max_lines: 10 [mailman] filtered_messages_are_preservable: no [mailman] html_to_plain_text_command: /usr/bin/lynx -dump $filename [mailman] layout: debian [mailman] listname_chars: [-_.0-9a-z] [mailman] noreply_address: noreply [mailman] pending_request_life: 3d [mailman] post_hook: [mailman] pre_hook: [mailman] sender_headers: from from_ reply-to sender [mailman] site_owner: max.paragnani(a)gmail.com [mta] configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix [mta] delivery_retry_period: 5d [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP [mta] lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 [mta] lmtp_port: 8024 [mta] max_autoresponses_per_day: 10 [mta] max_delivery_threads: 0 [mta] max_recipients: 500 [mta] max_sessions_per_connection: 0 [mta] outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver [mta] remove_dkim_headers: no [mta] smtp_host: localhost [mta] smtp_pass: [mta] smtp_port: 25 [mta] smtp_user: [mta] verp_confirm_format: $address+$cookie [mta] verp_confirm_regexp: ^(.*<)?(?P<addr>[^+]+?)\+(?P<cookie>[^@]+)@.*$ [mta] verp_confirmations: no [mta] verp_delimiter: + [mta] verp_delivery_interval: 0 [mta] verp_format: ${bounces}+${local}=${domain} [mta] verp_personalized_deliveries: no [mta] verp_probe_format: $bounces+$token@$domain [mta] verp_probe_regexp: ^(?P<bounces>[^+]+?)\+(?P<token>[^@]+)@.*$ [mta] verp_probes: no [mta] verp_regexp: ^(?P<bounces>[^+]+?)\+(?P<local>[^=]+)=(?P<domain>[^@]+)@.*$ [nntp] host: [nntp] password: [nntp] port: [nntp] remove_headers: nntp-posting-host nntp-posting-date x-trace x-complaints-to xref date-received posted posting-version relay-version received [nntp] rewrite_duplicate_headers: To X-Original-To CC X-Original-CC Content-Transfer-Encoding X-Original-Content-Transfer-Encoding MIME-Version X-MIME-Version [nntp] user: [passwords] configuration: python:mailman.config.passlib [passwords] password_length: 8 [plugin.master] class: [plugin.master] component_package: [plugin.master] configuration: [plugin.master] enabled: no [shell] banner: Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell [shell] history_file: [shell] prompt: >>> [shell] use_ipython: no [styles] default: legacy-default [webservice] admin_pass: --------------------------------- [webservice] admin_user: restadmin [webservice] api_version: 3.1 [webservice] hostname: localhost [webservice] port: 8001 [webservice] show_tracebacks: yes [webservice] use_https: no

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Importing mbox files into archive defect with lines with From
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com Sept. 19, 2023

Sept. 19, 2023

A curious problem, but seems to be well defined. I am importing mbox format files with 25 years worth of archives in 250 files from a Listserv list into hyperkitty. All is going swimmingly, except I get lots of partial emails with sender of None put into the current month, with text that has clearly been truncated. As I look at each one, I see that the line in the imported text is immediately after a line starting with 'From'. Clearly, 'From:' is an RCS-82 header, but 'From ' is not, and yet there is much evidence here that this is messing up the import. Is this a known bug? If not, how do I report it?

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Restore/export existing Mailman lists + hyperkitty archives on a new server
by Kimmo L Sept. 14, 2023

Sept. 14, 2023

Hello! My plan is to install fresh Mailman3 host, which means that i need to migrate/transfer my existing mailman mailing lists + hyperkitty archives to new host. Unfortunately i didnt find any good documentation about this. I tried myself to export and import mailmanweb/mailman databases (from old PostgreSQL to new PostgreSQL) and recreate indexes(mailman-web update_index). Now i can see and search hyperkitty archives, but if try to open one of the mailing list, i get error - HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} So im pretty sure, that I'm gonna have to transport some more stuff over, which I have no idea. Maybe existing users and user rights. If its not a big trouble, can someone kindly share, what exactly should i need to export/import and what would be the right steps/commands/moves. Br, Kimmo

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Strange issue with bounce processing
by Brian Carpenter Sept. 13, 2023

Sept. 13, 2023

Dear List, First of all Merry Christmas to those of you that are observing it. I have an issue on one of my Mailman 3 servers. The bounce runner is not running, even after restarting mailman core. All the other runners are working fine. Here is the problem, after restarting it, a number of messages show up in queue/bounces from a single list. However the bounce runner is still not running. So I remove these messages from queue/bounces folder and restart mailman core. The same messages show up from the same single list again in queue/bounces. In the var/logs/bounce.log file, addresses from this list are being logged as being removed after starting mailman core. They correlate with the messages showing up in queue/bounces. I assume these "cached" bounces are what is interfering with the running of the bounce runner. I don't see anything in the mailman or mailmansuite log that would explain this behavior. How can I fix this? Thank you for any assistance. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Postorius no connection to REST API
by rrosner5＠gmail.com Sept. 5, 2023

Sept. 5, 2023

Hello, I've seen some similar problems, but have not yet found anything that would work for me. I just installed Mailman3-full from debian stable repository (Mailman 3.2.1 to be precise). Mailman itself is working, also are all mailing lists imported from Mailman 2.1. But I just can not get the web interface of Postorius to work. I did manage to get it running through apache2 after I figured out what I had to remove from the old site config and replace it with the stuff in the automatically created config. Upon loading the site, I was able to log in and verify the mail address, but it kept showing that it wasn't able to connect to the REST API. I double and triple checked, that mailman-web.py and mailman-hyperkitty.cfg contain the same API key (api_key in hyperkitty and SECRET_KEY and MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in mailman web), but that didn't help. I also saw a recommendation, that it can cause problems, when the API key uses symbols like / so I switched it to _ in all three places, but that didn't help. The configuration for mailman, mailman-web and hyperkitty all are set to using https, switching them to http doesn't solve any of the problems. Meanwhile, the site only shows "Internal Server Error" even though I did not change anything. But probably not that relevant while it can't be used either way. What I can provide on logs: /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py mmclient Python 3.7.3 (default, Jan 22 2021, 20:04:44) [GCC 8.3.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. (InteractiveConsole) >>> client.system Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 95, in call response, content = Http().request(url, method, data_str, headers) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1513, in request (response, content) = self._request(conn, authority, uri, request_uri, method, body, headers, redirections, cachekey) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1263, in _request (response, content) = self._conn_request(conn, request_uri, method, body, headers) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1186, in _conn_request conn.connect() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1049, in connect raise socket_err File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1010, in connect sock.connect((self.host, self.port)) ConnectionRefusedError: [Errno 111] Connection refused During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/client.py", line 74, in system return self._connection.call('system/versions')[1] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 109, in call raise MailmanConnectionError('Could not connect to Mailman API') mailmanclient.restbase.connection.MailmanConnectionError: Could not connect to Mailman API From /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log of the last restart: Aug 08 15:28:56 2021 (5322) in runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:56 2021 (5322) in runner exiting. Aug 08 15:28:57 2021 (5322) in runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:57 2021 (5321) command runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:58 2021 (5321) command runner exiting. Aug 08 15:28:57 2021 (5320) bounces runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:58 2021 (5320) bounces runner exiting. Aug 08 15:28:57 2021 (5319) archive runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:57 2021 (5323) lmtp runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:58 2021 (5323) lmtp runner exiting. Aug 08 15:28:58 2021 (5319) archive runner exiting. Aug 08 15:28:57 2021 (5329) virgin runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:57 2021 (5330) digest runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:58 2021 (5330) digest runner exiting. Aug 08 15:28:58 2021 (5329) virgin runner exiting. Aug 08 15:28:58 2021 (5324) nntp runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:58 2021 (5318) Master watcher caught SIGTERM. Exiting. Aug 08 15:28:59 2021 (5318) Master watcher caught SIGTERM. Exiting. Aug 08 15:28:59 2021 (5323) lmtp runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:59 2021 (5324) nntp runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:59 2021 (5320) bounces runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:59 2021 (5329) virgin runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:59 2021 (5324) nntp runner exiting. Aug 08 15:28:59 2021 (5326) pipeline runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:59 2021 (5319) archive runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:59 2021 (5330) digest runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:59 2021 (5325) out runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:59 2021 (5328) retry runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:29:00 2021 (5327) rest runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:28:58 2021 (5327) rest runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:29:01 2021 (5327) rest runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Aug 08 15:29:01 2021 (5325) out runner exiting. Aug 08 15:29:03 2021 (5326) pipeline runner exiting. Aug 08 15:29:03 2021 (5327) rest runner exiting. Aug 08 15:29:11 2021 (5328) retry runner exiting. Aug 08 15:29:48 2021 (5318) Master stopped Aug 08 15:30:30 2021 (5545) Master started Aug 08 15:30:34 2021 (5546) archive runner started. Aug 08 15:30:34 2021 (5549) in runner started. Aug 08 15:30:34 2021 (5550) lmtp runner started. Aug 08 15:30:34 2021 (5554) rest runner started. Aug 08 15:30:35 2021 (5553) pipeline runner started. Aug 08 15:30:35 2021 (5552) out runner started. Aug 08 15:30:36 2021 (5551) nntp runner started. Aug 08 15:30:36 2021 (5547) bounces runner started. Aug 08 15:30:36 2021 (5556) virgin runner started. So everything seems to be starting smoothly. An excerpt from /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log: Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 364, in execute_from_\ command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 308, in execute settings.INSTALLED_APPS File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 56, in __getattr__ self._setup(name) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 41, in _setup self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 110, in __init__ mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 728, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py", line 486, in <module> from settings_local import * File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 724, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 859, in get_code File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 916, in get_data PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py' [uwsgi-daemons] throttling "python3 manage.py qcluster" for 25 seconds not sure where the Permission denied comes from/what permissions should be. /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py is a symlink owned by root to /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py owned by list:list with 640 permission. The apache2 error log contains nothing from the last restart of mailman3 and mailman3-web and trying to load the web page, the only interesting lines to the end of the log are [Sun Aug 08 14:40:33.642119 2021] [proxy:error] [pid 2248:tid 140583379425024] (111)Connection refused: AH02454: uwsgi: attempt to connect to Unix domain socket /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock (localhost) failed [Sun Aug 08 14:40:33.644627 2021] [:error] [pid 2248:tid 140583379425024] [client 134.61.97.39:11893] AH10101: failed to make connection to backend: httpd-UDS:0 [Sun Aug 08 14:54:22.555229 2021] [proxy:error] [pid 2248:tid 140583379425024] (111)Connection refused: AH02454: uwsgi: attempt to connect to Unix domain socket /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock (localhost) failed [Sun Aug 08 14:54:22.555293 2021] [:error] [pid 2248:tid 140583379425024] [client 134.61.97.39:11913] AH10101: failed to make connection to backend: httpd-UDS:0 [Sun Aug 08 14:58:24.376278 2021] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 2247:tid 140583610946688] AH00492: caught SIGWINCH, shutting down gracefully [Sun Aug 08 14:58:34.534966 2021] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 3696:tid 140070763447424] AH00489: Apache/2.4.48 (Debian) OpenSSL/1.1.1d mod_wsgi/4.6.5 Python/3.7 configured -- resuming normal operations [Sun Aug 08 14:58:34.535159 2021] [core:notice] [pid 3696:tid 140070763447424] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'

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Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.
by joseverde＠gmail.com Sept. 4, 2023

Sept. 4, 2023

Okay, so I got the webservice of Mailman3 up and running, but when I go to mailman3/postorius/lists/, I get the following error: Something went wrong Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. When I logged in to the admin user, it threw a server 500 error, but I could refresh and see myself logged in. If I try to go to lists or mailman settings, however, I get the error above.

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Mailman3 core didn't start after reboot, because mysql wasn't running yet.
by Mark London July 29, 2023

July 29, 2023

Hi - We had a power outage, and after my Ubuntu server rebooted , mailman 3 tried to start before mysql was running. I guess because it wasn't a clean reboot, the mysql server took much longer than normal to start, while checking databases. So mailman3 couldn't start. Normal reboots never had this problem. Should it have kept trying? In any event, mailman3 core didn't start, but mailman3-web did start. But it wasn't very happy, of course. And any time someone tried to access the mailing list website, it would send me an error message. I had hundreds of such emails in the morning., that started with the one below. Is there a way to configure my system to make sure this doesn't happen again? Thanks. - Mark Service Unavailable: /mailman3/ Report at /mailman3/ Service Unavailable: /mailman3/ Request Method: GET Request URL:https://lists.psfc.mit.edu/mailman3/ Django Version: 4.1.8 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.10.6 Python Path: ['.', '', '/riusMiddleware')

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Something wrong in Django admin interfaces
by Franklin Weng July 21, 2023

July 21, 2023

Hi, Since both Mark and Danil kindly told me that my wish to disable web anonymous account registering requires new version of mailman and django-mailman, I found that newest Debian bookwarm (12) has * mailman 3.3.8-1 (including mailman3-full and mailman3-web 20200530-2.1) * python3-django-mailman3 : 1.3.9-1 * python3-mailman-hyperkitty : 1.2.1 So I re-installed mailman3 (and took notes so that I could write a blog). After installing that, I found that it has problems in django admin page. When I clicked any features like users, Mail domains, Failed tasks... anyone, no matter New or Change, the web page was covered by the first page. All the configuration fields/labels are covered by the first page. Please see the screenshot: https://nextcloud.slat.org/index.php/s/e5KKEEbqDK6DpiN https://nextcloud.slat.org/index.php/s/nLgMRQ9ACyxCwoc It was not able to do the administration tasks. I looked at django-mailman issues https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues but didn't find anything useful. Does anyone have similar issues? What can I do to solve this? Thanks, Franklin

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Any possible way to reduce robot spam accounts?
by Franklin Weng July 21, 2023

July 21, 2023

Hi, I just installed a mailman3 instance, even haven't announced to anyone yet, there are a lot of spam robot accounts registering into my system. (See https://nextcloud.slat.org/index.php/s/WWHo7F3igYxn8LY for screenshot) I really have no idea how the robots find my system since I haven't told anyone the ip or URL of my mailman instance. And, they're registering on the system, not the mailing list since I have only one list for testing now and it wasn't assaulted by spam yet. No matter what, what I want to ask is that, is there a way to either * just let users join from email (lists-join(a)lists.url) instead of registering on the mailman instance? or * use a scheme like CAPTCHA to reduce the successful opportunity of robot registering? Any help is appreciated! Franklin

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List mails blocked from GMX - web.de > Spamfolder
by itservice＠knut-krueger.de July 19, 2023

July 19, 2023

How can I configure Mailman3 so that Mails from the list will not be blocked by gmx.net I tried to send with the same user (mailman.cf) at my mail server, which will not be blocked by gmx. unfortunately, I get no bounce back message. They do just not appear in the mail folder of gmx. At web.de they go to the SPAM folder.

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Import old mails into list
by franklin＠slat.org July 19, 2023

July 19, 2023

Hi, I just built a new mailman3 instance. I installed directly on Debian using mailman3-full and follow /usr/share/doc/mailman3/README.Debian to set up database/web. Then I'd like to import some old mail (in a mbox file) into this list. I searched for any documentation but all I got is Import list data (from 2.1): https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/release-3.0/src/mailman/comma… How do I import an archive into a new mailing list: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20import%20an%20archive%20into%20a%2… The first is import list data, not list contents (mails). The second is very old, written in 2007, and now I even can't find bin/arch commands. Also, this post in this mailing list: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Which nobody replied yet. And when I tried `django-admin hyperkitty_import` it even told me "Unknown command: 'hyperkitty_import'". Could anyone please tell me how to import old mails from mbox file into a new mailing list? Thanks, Franklin

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Configure administrative users via command line?
by kjohnson＠eclypse.org July 18, 2023

July 18, 2023

I recently migrated a mailing list from Mailman 2.x to Mailman 3.x. Sending messages to and receiving messages from the list seems to work well. The web interface archives seem to be working well. Xapian is configured as the search engine. With only 60K some messages, archive search seems very fast. How can I configure administrative users via command line? I need to process a moderation request. I have root access on the server. A pointer to the appropriate documentation would be more than welcome. Thank you to anyone who can provide help. Ken

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where do I find the text of a bounce email ?
by Per Jessen July 1, 2023

July 1, 2023

All, I am trying to figure why a particular outbound message was bounced, so I'm looking for the text of the NDR that was sent - where do I find that ? Fyi, the outbound message was accepted by the first relay, and then presumably later bounced by the actual recipient server (Office365). Any and all hints much appreciated. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

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Viewing/editing bounce score/status in Postorius
by Tom Smyth July 1, 2023

July 1, 2023

Is this possible? As of 1.3.2 I can't find it. Perhaps it's in a newer version? I'm working on upgrading. Thanks! -- Tom Smyth (he/him)

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