November 2020 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

12/24 hour clock ?
by Per Jessen 28 Nov '20

28 Nov '20

Hi all at openSUSE we have recently migrated to mailman3, and we seem to be having a couple of teething issues: a) hyperkitty and postorius both seem to insist on using a 12 hour clock format, no matter what the user has set. Is there a way of changing it system-wide ? b) overriding the default set of footers - despite having set the template "list:member:regular:footer" to empty for a specific list, I am still getting the default footers attached. We are using version 1.3.3. thanks Per Jessen

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No styling for web apps?
by Morris Jones 27 Nov '20

27 Nov '20

I have most of a new mailman suite server built and working ... collectstatic gathered a good array of static files (uncompressed so far) nginx appears to be serving them successfully The Firefox developer tools show css and js files all being delivered But none of the postorius or hyperkitty pages exhibit any styling at all, only bare HTML elements. The Firefox inspector will show the available styles being requested and delivered (style.css, bootstrap, jquery, all the things). But if I use the inspector to look at the page, nothing has any CSS properties. I know I'm missing something simple. (Happy Thanksgiving!) Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

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where is manage.py for migration?
by Dan Langille 26 Nov '20

26 Nov '20

Hello, I am following https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html and I'm trying to "Migrate the list archives from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3 by running the following command": [mailman@mailman ~]$ python manage.py hyperkitty_import -l biking(a)lists.example.org /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/biking.mbox python: can't open file 'manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory Is the documentation correct? I cannot locate manage.py in the code: $ git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman.git Cloning into 'mailman'... ... $ cd mailman/ $ find . -name manage.py $ Am I doing this wrong? Thank you. -- Dan Langille dan(a)langille.org

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mailman 3.3.2 config file location
by Eric Broens 25 Nov '20

25 Nov '20

Hi, I am trying to install Mailman 3.3.2 in a python virtual environment, and don't understand why the following is happening.When executing "mailman info", it shows that "the config file is located in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg as is intended, hence "outside" the virtual environment. However, after having started mailman, and running "mailman info" again, the default (empty) config files seems to be created in the directory where mailman has been started:config file: /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/var/etc/mailman.cfg This happens even when mailman is started with the option "-C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg".Does this mean that the config file needs to be located in a subdirectory of python's virtual environment? (venv) [root@test-vps mailman-suite_project]# mailman infoGNU Mailman 3.3.2 (Tom Sawyer)Python 3.6.8 (default, Apr 16 2020, 01:36:27)[GCC 8.3.1 20191121 (Red Hat 8.3.1-5)]config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfgdb url: mysql+pymysql://*****:*****@localhost/mailman?charset=utf8&use_unicode=1devmode: DISABLEDREST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/REST credentials: restadmin:restpass (venv) [root@test-vps mailman-suite_project]# mailman startStarting Mailman's master runnerGenerating MTA alias maps (venv) [root@test-vps mailman-suite_project]# mailman infoGNU Mailman 3.3.2 (Tom Sawyer)Python 3.6.8 (default, Apr 16 2020, 01:36:27)[GCC 8.3.1 20191121 (Red Hat 8.3.1-5)]config file: /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/var/etc/mailman.cfgdb url: sqlite:////opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/var/data/mailman.dbdevmode: DISABLEDREST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/REST credentials: restadmin:restpass Thanks,Eric

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Welcome Message
by brian＠emwd.com 25 Nov '20

25 Nov '20

Is it possible for a list admin to modify the welcome message for a list via Postorius? Is the process: 1. Log into Postorious 2. Click on the Templates tab. 3. Select New Template. 4. Select "The notice sent to a member when they are subscribed to the mailing list" 5. Add your text and click the save button. Is the correct process? I am using the latest Docker release of Mailman 3.

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Mailman automatic accept notification
by tambet.paide＠mkm.ee 25 Nov '20

25 Nov '20

How can I configure mailman so that all the users in mailing list won't get automatic accept notification (uncaught bounce notification)? I'm using Mailman 3 and cat figure it out

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Mailman Core 3.3.2 is now out
by Abhilash Raj 25 Nov '20

25 Nov '20

Hi Everyone, I am pleased to announce that with a week long delay from the planned date, GNU Mailman Core 3.3.2 is now finally out. This release includes both bug fixes and some new features. Some notable changes include: - Support for inviting users to join mailing lists. - New adddmembers, delmembers and syncmembers command to manage membership from CLI. - Addition of new REST API endpoints that return the count of held messages and subscription requests of much faster page loads in Postorius. - Addition of support for filtering in some API endpoints like Members and Subscription requests. - Support for address= option in email join command to subscribe an address other then sending address. - Addition of who email command to lookup memberships. - Expose emergency field for MailingList resource in REST API. - Several bug fixes to support new major version of libraries like dnspython, flufl.* etc. You can install it using: $ pip install --upgrade mailman The tarball for the release is available at PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/ Finally, many thanks to all the contributors who have helped make this release a success! -- Abhilash Raj (maxking) on behalf of Mailman Core team

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Moderation not working?
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au 24 Nov '20

24 Nov '20

Hi Folks, Running a shiny new instance of mailman3, as per the Debian package (version 3.2.2) but the moderation doesn't seem to work. WE got hit by a heap of spammers overnight, even though the 'hold for moderation' bit is set for non-members (and now for members too). Emails seem just to get straight through. Any advice on how to debug this? Would upgrading to a later version using pip help? Peter C

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How to strip DKIM headers on a domain level or a list level
by Stephen J. Turnbull 24 Nov '20

24 Nov '20

Rob Jenson writes: > I need to strip DKIM headers on the inbound messages to my list or > to my domain. Why do you need to strip DKIM headers? The standard specifies that an invalid DKIM signature must be treated the same as if there were no signature at all. So an invalid DKIM signature may be treated as spammier than a message with a valid signature, but that should not be treated differently from an unsigned message (as would appear after removing those header fields). I know this feature is in demand from list admins, but I've never seen convincing evidence that it's actually effective for any of the usual suspects (Yahoo!, AOL, Gmail), only for small domains with pigheaded admins who are proud of their non-conforming configurations, and announce that they are discarding messages which have invalid DKIM signatures. > What I do not understand from the documentation for Mailman 3 Core > is whether it is possible for my hosting service to set > remove_dkim_headers just for our domain. It currently is not possible. It probably could be made possible on a per-domain or per-list basis, but it's not clear to me why it would be useful to do so. If there really are non-conforming receivers out there, it's probably a good idea to strip host-wide. > If that is not possible, then the question becomes "is there a way, > in the list configuration, to strip the DKIM headers? It is possible, but that requires changing the list's processing pipeline to add that capability. I believe this is not difficult (I haven't done similar changes with Mailman 3 yet) but it does require the assistance of the host, and possibly imposes a future maintenance burden on the host. > We are munging the text of the message in Mailman, so the DKIM > headers from the original poster are invalid. As I explained above, both DKIM and DMARC are specified so that "no signature" == "invalid signature" for the purposes of spam processing. Are you sure that Yahoo! (or any other provider used by your subscribers) is treating invalid signatures differently from absence of signatures? The person responsible for Yahoo! MTA configuration is a well-known mail security expert who participated actively in the specification of all these protocols (and she also gave me a kitten, so I may be biased). > As far as I can see, our service provider is using ARC in our > Mailman configuration, but not signing the outbound messages with > DKIM. That surprises me. ARC isn't really a substitute for the MTA's own DKIM signature, at least not yet. > Therefore the DKIM signature from the poster's mail service > provider is sent out with their DKIM header, which seems to be > problematic. It shouldn't be. > If I understand ARC correctly, it is validating the DKIM signature > from the poster, creating a new signature and metadata indicating > that what it received was properly signed. That is correct. As far as I know, Yahoo! does participate in the ARC protocol and used to have conforming implementations of DKIM and DMARC. That doesn't mean you get a free ride: they may still have your IP on a blacklist from former owners of the IP, for example. Or your posts may "look like" spam for some other reason, or your lists may need more time to build up a clean reputation. But I need evidence more convincing than "list posts are recognized as spam" to believe that removing DKIM headers will help. (For example, my employer's filters regularly recognize messages from department heads as spam, even with DKIM signatures intact. ;-)

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Re: mailman 3.3.2 config file location
by Eric Broens 24 Nov '20

24 Nov '20

Apparently I lost the "layout:" config setting which defaults to [paths.here]. Best Regards,Eric

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