October 2018 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

Find a smtp server to send out emails
by Leon March 12, 2025

March 12, 2025

Hi, This problem is not caused by mailman, but I still want to give it a shot here. I'm hosting a mailing list on top of mailman3. Emails are supposed to be sent out by AWS ses. However, ses requires that sender address must be verified, which leads to a problem that emails sent by subscribers to mailing list cannot be sent to other subcirbers, since their addresses are not verified. And it is impossible to verified every subscriber. Are there smtp service providers allowing unverified email address to send out emails, or do I have other solutions? Thanks. -- Best wishes, Leon

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Display the last post time for a list or all lists.
by Henrik Rasmussen Aug. 9, 2024

Aug. 9, 2024

Does Mailman 3 have something similar to https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/last_post.py displaying the last post time for a list or all lists?

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Loops back to myself
by David Krantz Jan. 12, 2024

Jan. 12, 2024

Hi, I have a problem with my Mailman 3-setup. The symptom is that postfix rejects non-existing addresses for my list domains with <adr(a)example.com>: mail for example.com loops back to myself What I guess happens happens is that postfix for some reason accepts the mail as it is for a relay domain and finds that it is not deliverable locally as the address does not exist locally and then tries to relay it on to the appropriate MX server, which is itself and then fails and generates a bounce message. This is a bit annoying as I have set up postfix to only accept valid addresses. I have set the transport_maps, local_recipient_maps and relay_domains to the files generated by MM3. I run an older version of MM3 (3.0) but prefer to fix this without upgrading as upgrading is a relatively big undertaking. This is mostly a backscatter problem for spam I guess. Any ideas of very simple and easy to forget things that I've probably missed? Cheers // David

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Apache Conf
by Guiseppin Thomas July 26, 2022

July 26, 2022

Hi, Currently, I use a nginx configuration for mailman. It's work perfectly. I tried to do the same with Apache, but the statics files are not delivered (404). Basically, it's the same configuration: /server { listen 80; server_name mailing.ddd.fr; access_log /var/log/nginx/mailing.access.log; error_log /var/log/nginx/mailing.error.log; location /static/ { alias /opt/mailman/static/; expires 30d; } proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for; location / { proxy_pass http://localhost:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr; } } <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName mailing.ddd.fr ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/mailing.error.log CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/mailing.access.log combined <Location /static/> Alias "/opt/mailman/static/" </Location> <Location /> ProxyPass http://localhost:8000/ ProxyPassReverse http://localhost:8000/ ProxyPreserveHost On </Location> </VirtualHost>/ I missed something ? Thanks.

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[MM3-users]Is it possible to grant all users the ability to Create List
by Carrie Knox July 13, 2021

July 13, 2021

Hello, Our company is evaluating mailman3 as an option for company internal list serving. One of the requirements is that anyone with access to the list server be allowed to create and manage lists. Is this possible? If so, how? Is there a "create list" role that can be added for all registered users? Thanks

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Mailman 3.2.0 Hyperkitty fulltext index error
by Marvin Gülker July 31, 2020

July 31, 2020

Hi, I've just upgraded to Mailman 3.2.0 (finally everything Python 3 now, thanks!) and it appears to work. However, there's a repeating error message in mailman-suite's logfile for Hyperkitty that looks like this: ERROR 2018-07-12 14:28:33,895 2742 hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index: ord() expected a character, but string of length 0 found Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 179, in run_with_lock fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 115, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 276, in update_backend last_max_pk=max_pk) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 97, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 178, in update self.setup() File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 126, in setup self.index = self.storage.open_index(schema=self.schema) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/filedb/filestore.py", line 176, in open_index return indexclass(self, schema=schema, indexname=indexname) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 421, in __init__ TOC.read(self.storage, self.indexname, schema=self._schema) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 632, in read check_size("int", _INT_SIZE) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 626, in check_size sz = stream.read_varint() File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/filedb/structfile.py", line 191, in read_varint return read_varint(self.read) File "/home/mailman/env3/lib/python3.5/site-packages/whoosh/util/varints.py", line 102, in read_varint b = ord(readfn(1)) TypeError: ord() expected a character, but string of length 0 found The error repeats every minute, so I suppose it comes from the minutely cronjob. This cronjob looks like this: * * * * * mailman bash -c 'cd /home/mailman && . /home/mailman/env3/bin/activate && django-admin runjobs minutely --pythonpath /home/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settings' What's wrong here? Marvin -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F

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Default values for new lists
by Sten Aus Jan. 11, 2020

Jan. 11, 2020

Hi I haven't found out where I could choose or edit default list values (when creating new list). For example I would like that all new lists would be with *private archive* (and change this when it is needed). This is great that I can choose not to advertise list in Index (which I can choose from list creation interface) but I would like to choose other options too. Right now only solution is to create list and then choose Archiving and then select "private archives". Another thing is that I would like to choose default subscription policy to "Moderate". If anyone has encountered this problem, let me know! All the best Sten

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MM3 shunting mails
by Anders Nilsson Jan. 3, 2020

Jan. 3, 2020

I'm running a Mailman 3.1.0 installation on a CentOS 7 machine. Using RPMs from https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/abompard/hyperkitty/el-7/x86_64/ I do have problems with some lists occasionally going into some kind of shunt mode, where alla mails sent to them gets shunted. In the Mailman log I get entries for each shunted email: Mar 17 11:54:11 2017 (6217) Uncaught runner exception: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() Mar 17 11:54:11 2017 (6217) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 53, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/handlers/rfc_2369.py", line 121, in process process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/handlers/rfc_2369.py", line 70, in process archiver_set = IListArchiverSet(mlist) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/zope/component/hookable.py", line 33, in __call__ return self.__implementation(*args, **kw) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 156, in adapter_hook return sitemanager.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/zope/interface/registry.py", line 348, in queryAdapter return self.adapters.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 607, in __init__ ListArchiver.name == archiver_name).one_or_none() File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2733, in one_or_none "Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()") sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() Mar 17 11:54:11 2017 (6217) SHUNTING: 1489748051.1949184+7a59df19c81493cb419306d620376efc0e381819 And so far my Google-fu hasn't been good enough to give me any useful answers to why this happens. If I dump one of the pickles using qfile I cannot see any complaints. Most of the times, if I remove and recreate a failing list and run unshunt the shunted emails get processed and sent. Anyone seen something similar? Regards, Anders Nilsson -- Anders Nilsson, Ph.D. <andersn(a)control.lth.se> Dep. of Automatic Control, Lund University Phone: +46 (0)46 222 87 94, Fax: +46 (0)46 13 81 18 Mob: +46 (0)703 22 57 67

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bounces with empty message-id
by Peter Münster Dec. 12, 2019

Dec. 12, 2019

Hi, It seems, that mailman bounces the bounces, so that the list-owner never sees them: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- postfix/smtpd[12002]: connect from out04.smtpout.orange.fr[193.252.22.213] postfix/smtpd[12002]: 879D6F12E8: client=out04.smtpout.orange.fr[193.252.22.213] postfix/cleanup[11841]: 879D6F12E8: message-id=<> postfix/qmgr[10092]: 879D6F12E8: from=<>, size=4048, nrcpt=1 (queue active) postfix/smtpd[12002]: disconnect from out04.smtpout.orange.fr[193.252.22.213] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 postfix/lmtp[11846]: 879D6F12E8: to=<test-bounces(a)my-domain.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.05, delays=0.04/0/0/0.01, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 550 No Message-ID header provided (in reply to end of DATA command)) postfix/qmgr[10092]: 879D6F12E8: removed --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- What could I do please, to get the bounces? I would like to use VERP to identify wrong addresses... TIA for any hints, -- Peter

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confirm mail rejected
by Marc Sluiter Sept. 29, 2019

Sept. 29, 2019

Hi, im trying to setup mailman and have an issue: first my environment: - I’m running postfix etc with "mailcow-dockerized": https://mailcow.github.io/mailcow-dockerized-docs/ - I’m running mailman with "docker-mailman": https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ I got almost everything working (with some configuration modifications, see other mail). The only thing which doesn’t work is conformation mails, they are rejected: In the logs I see that postfix is trying both "liste-confirm+extension@domain" and "liste-confirm@domain" for another lookup map of type mysql (so "recipient_delimiter" is working), but not for the mailman map of type regexp. Just a wild guess, I didn't find anything about it: can it be that “recipient_delimiter" doesn't work for “regexp" maps? For now I worked around this issue by manually modifying the confirm regex in "postfix_lmtp” to /^liste-confirm\+.*(a)domain\.tld$/ Does anyone have an idea why the regexp map isn’t working for me and at least 1 other user (see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/401)? Would my workaround be a long term solution which could be implemented in mailman? That would mean that mailman could work independent of the “recipient_delimiter” setting (or do I oversee something?) Thanks and greetings, Marc

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Mailman 3 Installation Assistance
by brian＠emwd.com July 26, 2019

July 26, 2019

I am making a serious attempt at installing Mailman 3 using docker. I have a CentOS 7 server setup via Linode. I am using the following documentation to setup a Mailman 3 server: https://xiaoxing.us/2018/01/02/Deploy-Mailman-3-on-AWS-using-Docker/ I have Docker, Postfix, and Nginx installed and working fine. The installation of the Mailman 3 container went fine. However I am getting the following error when I go to test Posterius via shell: curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/ curl: (7) Failed connect to 172.19.199.3:8000; Connection refused I assume this has something to do with uwsgi which I have no experience with. Appreciate any assistance with getting Mailman 3 up and running. Thanks! Brian Carpenter

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delete examples.com site
by enrique.terrazas＠utsa.edu July 9, 2019

July 9, 2019

Hello, I've been working on setting up Mailman3 on a RHEL 7.5 vm using the guides and documentation found here: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/index.html https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html http://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/index.html http://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/README.html https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty nginx is serving the Django applications via uwsgi. I was able to get mailman, postorius + hyperkitty, running and test sending out email verifications. In an attempt to set the default domain to something other than example.com I deleted the site: example.com, I did have another site. Unfortunately, this seems to have broken the Django applications. At the moment I am preparing to delete the virtual environment and set things up again. Unless there is something that can be done in the current virtual environment to "reset" things back to start. I was also running into an issue where the verification emails were successfully sent out. The url to verify the email looks like this: http://my.domain.com:8000/accounts/confirm-email/xxxxxxxxxxxx/ Replacing my.domain.com with the domain I added. How can I get the outgoing verification emails to not reference port 8000? If I take that same link and remove the port, I get the desired page. Port 8000 is blocked at our sites permitter firewall, I don't necessarily want to open it. I'd rather the URL just obfuscate the port and send it to https... Thank you in advance for your attention and assistance. Best regards, Enrique J. Terrazas

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Hyperkitty Archives - Sidebar years/months
by Enrique Terrazas June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

Hello, I’m going through importing archives from mm2 to mm3. One of the lists I’ve imported has messages going back to 11/2013. I was able to successfully import the lists settings using: mailman import21 lists(a)domain.com<mailto:lists@domain.com> /path/to/list/config.pck This successfully imported lists owners, moderators, subscribers, & settings. I then imported the messages with the following command: python /path/to/manage.py hyperkitty_import -l list(a)domain.com<mailto:list@domain.com> /path/to/list.mbox —since 10/01/2013 I used that date because it is older than the first message sent to the list: 11/13/2013 And followed that up with the update index command: python /path/to/manage.py update_index_one_list list(a)domain.com<mailto:list@domain.com> This successfully imported all the messages from 11/13/2013 through 09/30/2018. Here is where I’m facing two issues: * Messages from October 2018 were not imported * The sidebar only shows the year 2018. Fdasfds If I modify the URL to go to https://my.domain.org/hyperkitty/list/list@domain.com/2013/11 the archived emails show up fine. October 2018 shows two test messages I’ve sent but not any of the messages from October 2018 that should have been imported. Is there something additional that needs to be done to show the previous years and months in the sidebar? Thanks, Enrique

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Flushing/syncing hyperkitty with mailman
by Eric Abrahamsen June 20, 2019

June 20, 2019

I've got mailman running on Ubuntu 14.04, with systemd service files to govern the mailman and hyperkitty qcluster processes. I notice in the systemctl status call for the qcluster command that there are a bunch of errors like: [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:2 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:3 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. [Q] INFO Process-1:4 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. Is there something more I should be doing to sync hyperkitty's database with mailman? I've got the crontab file in place, and that appears to be running without error. Anything else? Thanks, Eric

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GDPR - save subscriptions confirmation emails
by contact＠maadix.net May 1, 2019

May 1, 2019

Hi, I am new in the list. I have been looking for this topic in the archives in order to avoid duplicate, but I could not find any thread. According to the new GDPR rules, lists owners need to have a confirmation from subscribers, and this is easy to do with Mailman 3. What I can't figure out is how to save all the confirmation emails received from users. I only see the confirmations commands emails in the logs, Is there another place/way to store them? For GDPR compliance it is important to be able to demonstrate that you received the confirmation, in case you may need it in the future. Bests Maddish -- *MaadiX* Tu nube en tus manos https://maadix.net https://twitter.com/MaadiXnet

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Change domain, easy?
by Thor Atle Rustad Jan. 14, 2019

Jan. 14, 2019

Hello list, How can I change the domain (from spammedtodeath.example.org to newdomain.example.org. The change should apply to all relevant settings as well as existing lists. Sincerely, Thor Atle Rustad

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Auth question
by David Krantz Jan. 8, 2019

Jan. 8, 2019

Hi, I have of course activated password login as it was not possible to get the provider based logins to work (might be but not worth the time for me right now). Is there any way for an user to request a new password when it is forgotten? I presume that the Persona login is removed now. I cannot hide it in my version or at least I do not know how. cheers // David

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Avoiding the List name in TO or CC headers
by Asaf Ohayon Jan. 4, 2019

Jan. 4, 2019

Hello I've made a list personalized ( =2 in mailinglist table), So in TO: I see the actual member, But still I have the list address in CC header, Can this be removed ? 10x

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How to get Mailman core to provide more debug info in a running environment
by Henrik Rasmussen Jan. 3, 2019

Jan. 3, 2019

Docker-mailman 0.1.1 I am using Mailman 3.1 in production and I am trying to debug a problem[1] so I tried to setting Mailman to provide more debug info in the smtp.log file[2]. I might have been doing it wrong, but in the mailman-extra.cfg I set [logging.smtp-failure] path: smtp.log and restarted Mailman, which stopped incoming mails until removing the added section. What is the correct way to get Mailman to provide more debug info in the smtp.log 1) https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… 2) http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/config/docs/config.html… Henrik Rasmussen

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Templates
by David Krantz Dec. 19, 2018

Dec. 19, 2018

Hi. How do I set a template for one specific list? I want one list to have a special footer template. I have tried updating the database (template table) without effect so apparently the database is not used for templates or some kind of fallback is used to set it to the generic footer. Of course I also tried to restart mailman after that operation to try to rule out any caching-related problem. I want to use a file://-path as that is the least painful way of doing it. I also would like a solution to place a file in a special location. My current templates are in a .../var/templates/site/en/ structure with names like list:member:generic:footer.txt Cheers // David

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Hyperkitty - Non-ascii sender address
by Guiseppin Thomas Nov. 4, 2018

Nov. 4, 2018

Hi, I imported some mbox archives in Hyperkitty. I have lot issues like: /\Failed adding message <5b0900ab.1c69fb81.70ab.2f87(a)mx.google.com>: ('Non-ascii sender address', <email.message.EmailMessage object at 0x7f05f1606048>)// //Non-ascii sender address from "Stéphane blipblop <stlablipblop at gmail.com>" about [HATLAB][It] Re: A débarrasser ! / It's probably because "Stéphane". Some advise to fix it ? Name: HyperKitty Version: 1.2.1 Thanks, Thomas.

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Mailman 3 on RHEL 7 help
by A Almeda Nov. 3, 2018

Nov. 3, 2018

Hi. I am trying to install mailman 3 on RHEL7. Docker install is not a possibility. I am trying to install it using a bundler by following https://media.readthedocs.org/pdf/mailman-bundler/stable/mailman-bundler.pdf, but after logging in as mailman, I can't do virtualenv venv. It works if I login as root, but still fails during buildout. In short, I need help. Has anyone of you guys installed mailman 3 on RHEL 7 or CEntOS 7? If so would you share me detailed instructions? Thank you in advance.

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how to integrate subscription into static jekyll website
by Hagen Bauer Oct. 23, 2018

Oct. 23, 2018

Hi, I am running a static website with jekyll and I want to integrate a form that executes a subription rest api call to mailman. From my first investigation this seems to be a bad idea from a security perspective (rest api needs managaer access). Is there a secure way to do this? Any other ideas? Regards Hagen

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Problem with missing MySQLDatabase
by Peter Sørensen Oct. 23, 2018

Oct. 23, 2018

Hi, I have looked into installing this before without success but found The Debian package Mailman3-full I installed this succesfully along with the mailman-suite. I have configured varios setting but are stuck when trying to generate aliases For mailman with: mailman aliases Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/mailman, line 11, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.1.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py, line 94, in main initialize(config_path) File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py, line 189, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py, line 160, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/factory.py, line 52, in create database = call_name(database_class) File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py, line 67, in call_name named_callable = find_name(dotted_name) File /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py, line 50, in find_name __import__(package_path) ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase\t\t\t#MOD(inserted ) 02'; 'mailman.database.mysql' is not a package I can see from the message that I’m missing a module but I can’t figure out. how to get This installed. The mudule is referenced in the mailman.cfg as class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase Can anybody help ? Best regards Peter Sørensen University Of Southern Denmark

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autoresponse not sent
by shadiakiki1986＠gmail.com Oct. 22, 2018

Oct. 22, 2018

Hello. Newbie to mailman here. I tried out mailman3 today. My setup is - mailman3 suite using the docker-compose file from asynchronous.io - exim4 on the local machine and configuring it as smarthost using mailgun smtp server The emails to the mailing list are received by the subscribers, but the autoresponse is not being received by the sender (who is not from the subscribers list). I'm not sure if the problem is from mailman-core, settings from mailman-web, or from exim. The setting for autoresponse to posters is set to yes, with some text to be sent in the autoresponse message. The autoresponse grace period is set to "0d60.0s" (I was unable to set to "0" or "negative" due to error saying something like "could not update parameter") The "Acknowledge posts" in the "global mailman settings" is set to "yes". The "Acknowledge posts" in the list-based preferences is also "yes". Here are the exim logs after I send the email from the non-subscriber to the mailing list ``` 2018-10-19 15:13:32 1gDWSy-0004n7-VR DKIM: d=gmail.com s=20161025 c=relaxed/relaxed a=rsa-sha256 b=2048 [verification succeeded] 2018-10-19 15:13:32 1gDWSy-0004n7-VR <= shadiakiki1986(a)gmail.com H=mail-vk1-f171.google.com [209.85.221.171] P=esmtp K S=2416 id=CACk+RNtq_hu+M_ufoCJQFCtOWOD_DX0omdVJbKfva0w=n4Qhuw(a)mail.gmail.com 2018-10-19 15:13:33 1gDWSy-0004n7-VR => quotations(a)mailman3.akikieng.com R=mailman3_router T=mailman3_transport H=172.19.199.2 [172.19.199.2] C="250 Ok" 2018-10-19 15:13:33 1gDWSy-0004n7-VR Completed 2018-10-19 15:13:35 1gDWT1-0004nC-1I DKIM: d=gmail.com s=20161025 c=relaxed/relaxed a=rsa-sha256 b=2048 [verification failed - signature did not verify (headers probably modified in transit)] 2018-10-19 15:13:35 1gDWT1-0004nC-1I <= quotations-bounces(a)mailman3.akikieng.com H=ip-172-19-199-2.us-west-2.compute.internal [172.19.199.2] P=esmtp S=3847 id=CACk+RNtq_hu+M_ufoCJQFCtOWOD_DX0omdVJbKfva0w=n4Qhuw(a)mail.gmail.com 2018-10-19 15:13:35 1gDWT1-0004nC-1I => shadi(a)akikieng.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost H=smtp.mailgun.org [35.161.201.187] X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256 CV=yes DN="C=US,ST=California,L=San Francisco,O=MAILGUN TECHNOLOGIES\, INC,OU=MAILGUN TECHNOLOGIES\, INC,CN=*.mailgun.org" A=plain C="250 Great success" 2018-10-19 15:13:35 1gDWT1-0004nC-1I Completed ``` 1. Is the signature verification failure due to mailman-core trying to send the autoresponse outgoing message? At first, I thought that the DKIM signature verification caused Exim to be dropping the autoresponse. So I set `DISABLE_DKIM_VERIFY=true` in exim, but still no autoresponse. Here are the exim logs after the sender sends the email ``` ^[[A2018-10-19 14:58:40 1gDWEa-0004Ww-QF <= shadiakiki1986(a)gmail.com H=mail-vs1-f53.google.com [209.85.217.53] P=esmtp K S=2410 id=CACk+RNvnfS+e+Uh-OSKjPB8oe+b1=efAJ6BSrc51jz_h9sVoFQ(a)mail.gmail.com 2018-10-19 14:58:40 1gDWEa-0004Ww-QF => quotations(a)mailman3.akikieng.com R=mailman3_router T=mailman3_transport H=172.19.199.2 [172.19.199.2] C="250 Ok" 2018-10-19 14:58:40 1gDWEa-0004Ww-QF Completed 2018-10-19 14:58:42 1gDWEc-0004Wz-R1 <= quotations-bounces(a)mailman3.akikieng.com H=ip-172-19-199-2.us-west-2.compute.internal [172.19.199.2] P=esmtp S=3841 id=CACk+RNvnfS+e+Uh-OSKjPB8oe+b1=efAJ6BSrc51jz_h9sVoFQ(a)mail.gmail.com 2018-10-19 14:58:42 1gDWEc-0004Wz-R1 => shadi(a)akikieng.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost H=smtp.mailgun.org [54.69.10.167] X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256 CV=yes DN="C=US,ST=California,L=San Francisco,O=MAILGUN TECHNOLOGIES\, INC,OU=MAILGUN TECHNOLOGIES\, INC,CN=*.mailgun.org" A=plain C="250 Great success" 2018-10-19 14:58:42 1gDWEc-0004Wz-R1 Completed ``` 2. is my understanding correct in reading these logs that there is nothing here about an autoresponse?

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MM3 vs. Sympa
by Tom Browder Oct. 21, 2018

Oct. 21, 2018

I still haven’t gotten around to getting a new MM3 service up and running, and now I’m looking at Sympa. I’ve seen a few comparisons of the two systems on the net, but the ones I’ve seen are for announcement lists only. I did see one university that did a study of list managers to replace Listproc and chose Sympa. I must admit my short-lived MM2 experience (used for my social sites for my high school and college classmates) seven years ago wasn’t the best was for two reasons: (1) no duplication of list names even for different domains and (2) it’s written in Python (instead of Perl). But, thanks to much help from Mark, I did get it runnng. I think it would be running today but it failed after about a year when Gmail (whose sntp server I was using) stopped allowing that, and I just didn’t know enough to get around the situation and had too much else to do. I waited expectantly for MM3 to come out and was ready to try again, but the separation of a formerly-integrated system into several systems was a bit daunting. Now I’m considering using Sympa: it’s coded in Perl, it’s monolithic, and it can support identical list names for different domains, so I am leaning in that direction. Before I go, I would appreciate anyone giving me a good reason to stay with MM (besides excellent support and a welcoming community—one which is a member of an unfortunately small group of such communities). Thanks so much. Best regards, -Tom

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Difficulties setting up MM3 with Postfix MTA in Docker Environment: Invalid EHLO domain name & Authentification as lists.local
by Niklas Frühauf Oct. 21, 2018

Oct. 21, 2018

Hi everyone, I managed to setup mailman using the maxking/mailman-* docker containers, connected to a postfix/dovecot mailserver and a mysql database. The mail domain is @mail.local, mailman is reachable at lists.local. I can see the mailman UI fine, its connection to the database is working as well, the only things that’s not working is the initial login: When I try to login with the correct credentials of the superuser I added, I get An error occurred while processing your request. To me it seems like mailman is trying to authenticate as “lists.local” or “mail.local” or “localhost” to postfix (which of course isn’t working), then issues a EHLO/HELO to postfix which is not a FQDN. So I guess the latter issue could be resolved by providing a FQDN by mailman. These are the logfiles from the period: mail | Oct 21 11:15:07 mail postfix/postscreen[1862]: CONNECT from [172.18.18.8]:49288 to [172.18.18.254]:25 ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 fd=12 ACCEPT from IP=172.18.19.8:49252 (IP=0.0.0.0:389) ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=0 BIND dn="cn=admin,dc=..." method=128 ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=0 BIND dn="cn=admin,dc=..." mech=SIMPLE ssf=0 ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=1 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=1 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=1 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=2 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=2 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=2 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=3 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@lists.local)(mailalias=*@lists.local))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=3 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=3 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=4 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=mail.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=4 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=4 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=5 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=mail.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=5 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=5 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=6 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@mail.local)(mailalias=*@mail.local))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=6 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=6 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=7 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=7 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=7 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=8 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=8 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=8 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=9 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@lists.local)(mailalias=*@lists.local))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=9 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fc1 conn=1000 op=9 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= mail | Oct 21 11:15:13 mail postfix/postscreen[1862]: PASS OLD [172.18.18.8]:49288 mail | Oct 21 11:15:13 mail postfix/smtpd[1873]: connect from srv-docker_mailman-web_1.srv-docker_frontend[172.18.18.8] mail | Oct 21 11:15:17 mail postfix/postscreen[1862]: warning: dnsblog reply timeout 10s for list.dnswl.org mail | Oct 21 11:15:27 mail postfix/dnsblog[1866]: warning: dnsblog_query: lookup error for DNS query 8.18.18.172.list.dnswl.org: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=8.18.18.172.list.dnswl.org type=A: Host not found, try again ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=10 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=10 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=10 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=11 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=11 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=11 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=12 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@lists.local)(mailalias=*@lists.local))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=12 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=12 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=13 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=localhost)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=13 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=13 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=14 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=localhost)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=14 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=14 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=15 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@localhost)(mailalias=*@localhost))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=15 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=15 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=16 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(mail=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=16 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=16 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=17 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(?mailGroupMember=lists.local)" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=17 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=17 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=18 SRCH base="ou=users,dc=..." scope=2 deref=0 filter="(|(mail=*@lists.local)(mailalias=*@lists.local))" ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=18 SRCH attr=mail ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mail) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf <= mdb_substring_candidates: (mailalias) not indexed ldap_1 | 5bcc5fdf conn=1000 op=18 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text= mail | Oct 21 11:15:43 mail policyd-spf[1886]: prepend Received-SPF: Temperror (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=172.18.18.8; helo=c98c668820fd; envelope-from=postorius(a)lists.local; receiver=<UNKNOWN> mail | Oct 21 11:15:43 mail postfix/smtpd[1873]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from srv-docker_mailman-web_1.srv-docker_frontend[172.18.18.8]: 504 5.5.2 <c98c668820fd>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; from=<postorius(a)lists.local> to=<niklas.fruehauf(a)mail.local> proto=ESMTP helo=<c98c668820fd> mail | Oct 21 11:15:43 mail postfix/postscreen[1862]: CONNECT from [172.18.18.8]:49304 to [172.18.18.254]:25 mail | Oct 21 11:15:43 mail postfix/postscreen[1862]: PASS OLD [172.18.18.8]:49304 mail | Oct 21 11:15:43 mail postfix/smtpd[1903]: connect from srv-docker_mailman-web_1.srv-docker_frontend[172.18.18.8] proxy_1 | 172.18.18.1 - - [21/Oct/2018:11:16:13 +0000] "POST /accounts/login/ HTTP/1.1" 500 1102 "https://lists.local/accounts/login/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_14_0) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/69.0.3497.100 Safari/537.36" "-"

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footer message
by Abhijith PA Oct. 19, 2018

Oct. 19, 2018

Hello. Is there any way to enable footer for some lists at the same time disable for lists. I maintain an mailman3 instance and some of the lists in it need the footer message well some not. Regards, Abhijith.

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dkim failing
by Abhijith PA Oct. 16, 2018

Oct. 16, 2018

Hello. I am seeing dkim fail in mail that people send to lists /dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed"/ but it is not happening when the list solely sending mail to subscribers (like digest, or subscribe/unsubscribe messages etc). I recently added a new domain to the mailman3. After this I started noticing this issue. Any help ?

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dkim failing
by Abhijith PA Oct. 16, 2018

Oct. 16, 2018

Hello. I am seeing dkim fail in mail that people send to lists /dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed"/ but it is not happening when the list solely sending mail to subscribers (like digest, or subscribe/unsubscribe messages etc). I recently added a new domain to the mailman3. After this I started noticing this issue. Any help ? Thanks Abhijith PA

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Change digest frequency and default threshold
by Henrik Rasmussen Oct. 12, 2018

Oct. 12, 2018

When creating a new list in Mailman 3, the Digest Size Threshold is set to 30KB, which is not much in my opnion. 1) How do I set another default for Digest Size Threshold for new lists. 2) How do I change the default for existing lists When Digest Size Threshold is not reached, mails seems to be sent according to digest_volume_frequency': which is set to 'monthly'. The web interface doesn't seem to have a setting for this. How do I change this setting, both on a single list and the default for new lists? Henrik Rasmussen

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Can't remove footer(s)
by Henrik Rasmussen Oct. 11, 2018

Oct. 11, 2018

I have a problem removing the footer(s) from a list imported from MM2.1. I have been testing by entering my message in Hyperkitty (the list forum). I an aware about the double footer issue[1], and I am aware that footers are cached, but I have removed the footer files according to [2], run Mailman shell according to [3], restarted the Mailman (Mailman core, Mailan web, Postgres database and postfix). Did I miss something in order to remove the footers? [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/407 [2] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… [3] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… I'm running Docker-Mailman (Mailman version 3.2.0a1). -- Henrik Rasmussen

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Archiving error
by Enrique Terrazas Oct. 5, 2018

Oct. 5, 2018

Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me configure hyperkitty correctly. I've got mailman3 installed and working. I created a test list and can send/receive, moderate message. However, archiving does not seem to be working. Below is a copy of my (sanitized) hyperkitty.cfg file and settings.py file(edited) along with the errors being logged to mailman.log hyperkitty.cfg ----- # Mailman-Hyperkitty Archiver plugin [general] base_url: http://localhost:8002/ api_key: ----- settings.py # Mailman API credentials MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('my.host.name', 'myIPaddress', '127.0.0.1', '::1') ------ This is the error being sent to maillog.log ------ Oct 05 01:54:59 2018 (15127) Exception in "hyperkitty" archiver Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 171, in _new_ conn (self._dns_host, self.port), self.timeout, **extra_kw) File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/util/connection.py", line 79, in c reate_connection raise err File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/util/connection.py", line 69, in c reate_connection sock.connect(sa) ConnectionRefusedError: [Errno 111] Connection refused During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 600, in urlopen chunked=chunked) File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 354, in _make_request conn.request(method, url, **httplib_request_kw) File "/opt/rh/rh-python36/root/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1239, in request self._send_request(method, url, body, headers, encode_chunked) File "/opt/rh/rh-python36/root/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1285, in _send_request self.endheaders(body, encode_chunked=encode_chunked) File "/opt/rh/rh-python36/root/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1234, in endheaders self._send_output(message_body, encode_chunked=encode_chunked) File "/opt/rh/rh-python36/root/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1026, in _send_output self.send(msg) File "/opt/rh/rh-python36/root/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 964, in send self.connect() File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 196, in connect conn = self._new_conn() File "/opt/mailman/mailman/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 180, in _new_conn self, "Failed to establish a new connection: %s" % e) urllib3.exceptions.NewConnectionError: <urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7f0ba1c22048>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 111] Connection refused During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: ------ Thanks in advance, Enrique J. Terrazas

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Hyperkitty 1.1.1 to HyperKitty 1.2.1
by Thomas G Oct. 5, 2018

Oct. 5, 2018

Hi, I would like to migrate my current Mailman3.1/Hyperkitty data to a fresh install in Mailman3.2. I didn't found how migrate the archives. From : HyperKitty - Version: 1.1.1 - Python2.7 To : HyperKitty - Version: 1.2.1 - Python3.5 I exported a mbox from hyperkitty (web interface) and tried to re-import it, without result. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" xxxx @xxxxxx :/opt/mailman# python3.5 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l listedetests(a)hatlab.fr /home/admin/listedetests(a)hatlab.fr.mbox.gz Importing from mbox file /home/admin/listedetests(a)hatlab.fr.mbox.gz to listedetests(a)hatlab.fr Computing thread structure Synchronizing properties with Mailman Warming up cache The full-text search index is not updated for this list. It will not be updated by the 'minutely' incremental update job. To update the index for this list, run the 'manage.py update_index_one_list listedetests(a)hatlab.fr' command. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" The database stay empty (and web interface): """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" mailmandbnameprod=# select * from hyperkitty_email; id | message_id | message_id_hash | subject | content | date | timezone | in_reply_to | archived_date | thread_depth | thread_order | mailinglist_id | parent_id | sender_id | thread_id | sender_name ----+------------+-----------------+---------+---------+------+----------+-------------+---------------+--------------+--------------+----------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+------------- (0 rows) """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Any idea to do this importation ? Thanks !

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Proper permissions for mailman installation under home directory, with layout: local
by Eric Abrahamsen Oct. 3, 2018

Oct. 3, 2018

I recently upgraded my server from Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04, and have hit some snags in the process. I've had my mailman3 installation under my home directory, running as my own user, without too many problems. var_dir was set to something in my home directory. Recently, while tracking down some weird behavior, I realized that with this sort of setup I'm supposed to use "layout: local", and that previously I'd had a sort of weird half-way installation where some things were kept in my /home/<me>/sites/mailman directory, and other bits (pids and whatnot) were scattered around the filesystem. Now that I'm using "layout: local", mailman really is trying to keep everything under that main directory, and now everything's breaking. The hyperkitty search indexer is saying it has no permissions to write into that directory, postfix won't deliver mail, saying the mailbox is unavailable, and in the web UI postorius shows no configured list domains (though hyperkitty still displays the archives correctly). So obviously I've got quite a big problem with permissions, but I don't know how to resolve it. My webserver is nginx, running as www-data. I'm starting mailman in a systemd script, with User and Group set to my user -- though maybe that should be set to root? I guess postfix runs as root, I'm not sure, but obviously it's not able to read the files in var/data/*, which appear all correct to me. What's the recommended solution here? I'd still like to keep this whole directory under my home directory, if possible... Thanks, Eric

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About the link destination of the logo image of the homepage
by Ooyama Yosiyuki Oct. 1, 2018

Oct. 1, 2018

At next page: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ Despite the fact that "Mailman" is written in the logo on the upper left of the screen, However if I click the logo image on the upper left of the screen,then it is to move to https://www.gnu.org/software/ I think it is strange. In the Wikipedia English version, the following address is introduced as mailman's website. www.gnu.org/software/mailman/

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