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Issues with Mail delivery after Mailman 3 installation
by Ibiam Chihurumnaya Feb. 1, 2026

Feb. 1, 2026

I finished installing mailman3, setup lmtp and smtp for mail delivery and I followed the instructions on the mailman 3 installation page. Mail delivery doesn't work and the logs show this; Jan 31 12:53:53 lists postfix/lmtp[4131588]: 3B8121A89BD: to=<systems(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:24, delay=11119, delays=11072/0.01/0.01/47, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 451 4.3.0 <systems(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> Temporary internal error (in reply to RCPT TO command)) 106029 Jan 31 12:53:53 lists postfix/lmtp[4131587]: 052BB1A8975: to=<mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>, orig_to=<mailman>, relay=localhost[127.0.0.1]:24, delay=1432, delays=1385/0.02/0.01/47, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (host localhost[127.0.0.1] said: 451 4.3.0 <mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> Temporary internal error (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Jan 31 12:53:53 lists dovecot: lmtp(4131586): Disconnect from 127.0.0.1: Logged out (state=READY) Jan 31 12:53:53 lists postfix/local[4131582]: F2DB61A8952: passing <mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> to transport=lmtp Jan 31 12:53:53 lists dovecot: lmtp(4131590): Disconnect from 127.0.0.1: Logged out (state=READY) Jan 31 12:53:53 lists dovecot: lmtp(4131589): Disconnect from 127.0.0.1: Logged out (state=READY) Jan 31 12:53:53 lists postfix/local[4131584]: D172A1A8A0E: passing <mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> to transport=lmtp Jan 31 12:53:53 lists dovecot: lmtp(4131586): Connect from 127.0.0.1 Jan 31 12:53:53 lists dovecot: lmtp(4131589): Connect from 127.0.0.1 Jan 31 12:53:54 lists postfix/lmtp[4128841]: connect to localhost[::1]:24: Connection refused Jan 31 12:53:54 lists postfix/lmtp[4128840]: connect to localhost[::1]:24: Connection refused Jan 31 12:53:54 lists postfix/lmtp[4128841]: 348981A8A2A: to=<mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>, orig_to=<mailman>, relay=none, delay=113, delays=0.04/52/61/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to localhost[::1]:24: Connection refused) Jan 31 12:53:54 lists postfix/lmtp[4128840]: 5382D1A8A27: to=<mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>, orig_to=<mailman>, relay=none, delay=173, delays=0.02/111/61/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to localhost[::1]:24: Connection refused) Jan 31 12:53:56 lists dovecot: lmtp(4128842): Disconnect from 127.0.0.1: Connection closed (state=READY) Jan 31 12:53:56 lists dovecot: lmtp(4127392): Disconnect from 127.0.0.1: Connection closed (state=READY) Jan 31 12:54:02 lists postfix/pickup[4131579]: 1D3E71A8A1C: uid=1005 from=<mailman> Jan 31 12:54:02 lists postfix/cleanup[4131852]: 1D3E71A8A1C: message-id=<20260131205402.1D3E71A8A1C(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> Jan 31 12:54:02 lists postfix/qmgr[4131580]: 1D3E71A8A1C: from=<mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>, size=919, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 31 12:54:53 lists dovecot: auth: Fatal: passdb passwd-file: Missing args Jan 31 12:54:53 lists dovecot: master: Error: service(auth): command startup failed, throttling for 60.000 secs Jan 31 12:54:53 lists dovecot: lmtp(mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org)<4131586><qMl1NuFrfmkCCz8AOj1W/w>: Error: auth-master: userdb lookup(mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org): Disconnected unexpectedly Jan 31 12:54:53 lists dovecot: lmtp(4131586): Error: lmtp-server: conn 127.0.0.1:56008 [2]: rcpt mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org: Failed to lookup user mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org: Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. Jan 31 12:54:53 lists postfix/lmtp[4131585]: F2DB61A8952: host localhost[127.0.0.1] said: 451 4.3.0 <mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> Temporary internal error (in reply to RCPT TO command) Jan 31 12:54:53 lists dovecot: lmtp(mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org)<4131589><kJd+NuFrfmkFCz8AOj1W/w>: Error: auth-master: userdb lookup(mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org): Disconnected unexpectedly Jan 31 12:54:53 lists dovecot: lmtp(4131589): Error: lmtp-server: conn 127.0.0.1:56014 [2]: rcpt mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org: Failed to lookup user mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org: Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. Jan 31 12:54:53 lists postfix/lmtp[4131588]: D172A1A8A0E: host localhost[127.0.0.1] said: 451 4.3.0 <mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> Temporary internal error (in reply to RCPT TO command) Jan 31 12:54:53 lists postfix/lmtp[4131585]: connect to localhost[::1]:24: Connection refused Jan 31 12:54:53 lists postfix/lmtp[4131588]: connect to localhost[::1]:24: Connection refused Jan 31 12:54:53 lists postfix/lmtp[4131585]: F2DB61A8952: to=<mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>, orig_to=<mailman>, relay=none, delay=1492, delays=1385/47/60/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to localhost[::1]:24: Connection refused) Jan 31 12:54:53 lists postfix/lmtp[4131588]: D172A1A8A0E: to=<mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>, orig_to=<mailman>, relay=none, delay=591, delays=484/47/60/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to localhost[::1]:24: Connection refused) Jan 31 12:54:53 lists postfix/local[4131582]: D92311A8A17: passing <mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> to transport=lmtp Jan 31 12:54:53 lists postfix/local[4131584]: D52231A8A1A: passing <mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> to transport=lmtp Jan 31 12:55:02 lists postfix/pickup[4131579]: 019161A8A2C: uid=1005 from=<mailman> Jan 31 12:55:02 lists postfix/cleanup[4131852]: 019161A8A2C: message-id=<20260131205502.019161A8A2C(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> Jan 31 12:55:02 lists postfix/qmgr[4131580]: 348981A8A2A: from=<mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>, size=919, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 31 12:55:02 lists postfix/qmgr[4131580]: 019161A8A2C: from=<mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>, size=919, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 31 12:55:02 lists postfix/qmgr[4131580]: 5382D1A8A27: from=<mailman(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>, size=919, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 31 12:55:18 lists postfix/smtpd[4132212]: fatal: open dictionary: expecting "type:name" form instead of "dovecot" I setup lmtp with dovecot, and I have this in dovecot.conf; passdb passwd-file { driver = passwd-file } I also have these set in postfix main.cf; lmtp_sender_dependent_authentication = yes lmtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes lmtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:path_to_passwd_file I'm wondering if I need to disable sasl because I set dovecot not to use ssl because lmtp is only running internally.

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Phantom Email Address in Nonmember List
by Steve Brown Jan. 31, 2026

Jan. 31, 2026

Have an issue that is more of a puzzle than a problem. No real harm done. So don't spend much time on it if you don't recognize the issue. I am administrator for a small list, radg(a)lists.radg.us, hosted by Mailmanlists.net. They are trying hard to figure it out but so far unsuccessful. Looking at the headers of emails sent from steve(a)stevebrown.us to the list and boomeranged back to me, I see a line “X-MailFrom: bounce+66273f.99dcd9c-radg=lists.radg.us(a)stevebrown.xn--us-02t. I gather that it is designating the return path where a message would be sent if there was a delivery problem. From its position in the header, I suspect it is added as they pass through Mailgun, maybe related to DKIM. I am hoping you might know why that bounce address is recognized by Mailman 3 as a real address for my emails, but not for others, even from my wife’s computer traversing the same path from our home to the Mailman 3 server. The Mailman installation does get and process the post, but also puts the “bounce+,,,” address in its list of nonmembers. Mailmanlists.net hasn’t figured out the behavior. I can provide full header information if that would help. My understanding of how headers work is very limited. Steve Brown

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Domain defaults for new lists
by Peter Chubb Jan. 30, 2026

Jan. 30, 2026

Hi Folks, Is there a simple way to set up the defaults for any newly created lists? We've had a few cases recently where in the time between creating a mass-populated list and making it private it's been inundated with spam. I'd like to change the defaults so newly-created lists are private and have private archives, new members are moderated, etc., to give time for the list to be set up completely before announcing it to the world. Peter C

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Is there a bin/find_member in MM3
by iMark Jan. 28, 2026

Jan. 28, 2026

Hi, In Mailman 3, is there an equivalent to the Mailman 2 script command of "bin/find_member <EMAILADDRESS>" ? Regards, Mark

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Internal Server Errors in mailmanweb.log
by Washington Odhiambo Jan. 25, 2026

Jan. 25, 2026

I keep seeing several errors like the below in my mailmanweb.log and not sure what the causa is. ``` [ERROR] [2025-12-17 18:24:22,053] [log] 1969696 140553251733568 Internal Server Error: /archives/list/ kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke/thread/C6QQOYBSQIWHJ7ALGSR23U44U2FHTFG2/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 137, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/thread.py", line 238, in thread_index return render(request, "hyperkitty/thread.html", context=context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 24, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 175, in render return self._render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 157, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 63, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 321, in render return nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 208, in render return template.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 177, in render return self._render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 238, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 208, in render return template.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 177, in render return self._render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1064, in render output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 742, in resolve new_obj = func(obj, *arg_vals) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/templatetags/decorate.py", line 42, in render return mark_safe(text_renderer(content)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/markdown.py", line 120, in __call__ return self.parse(s)[0] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/markdown.py", line 93, in parse self.block.parse(state) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 457, in parse end_pos2 = self.parse_method(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 216, in parse_method return func(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 368, in parse_block_quote text, end_pos = self.extract_block_quote(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 345, in extract_block_quote end_pos = self.parse_method(m4, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 216, in parse_method return func(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 387, in parse_list return parse_list(self, m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/list_parser.py", line 64, in parse_list groups = _parse_list_item(block, bullet, groups, token, state, rules) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/list_parser.py", line 174, in _parse_list_item block.parse(child, rules) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 457, in parse end_pos2 = self.parse_method(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 214, in parse_method assert lastgroup AssertionError ``` Since they are many, perhaps the causa is the same thing that can be fixed? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. 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Disabling Mass operations
by iMark Jan. 24, 2026

Jan. 24, 2026

Hi All, Can anyone give me a pointer on disabling "Mass operations" (subscribe/removal) in Postorius. Just removing the menu link from the list-owners administration pages would be a good start. On "list-by-list" would be brilliant, but even server-wide would do the job. Cheers, Mark

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Change Member's Address
by dap1＠bellsouth.net Jan. 15, 2026

Jan. 15, 2026

How do I manually change a member's address? I can't find any way to do that from the mailman-web pages. Do I need to do it within MySQL somewhere? TIA.

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Any known cases of "non-members" who aren't explicitly allowed to send to the list with a default rule of "discard" on a list getting through?
by Thomas Ward Jan. 10, 2026

Jan. 10, 2026

We just noticed an oddness in a client's system. Someone sent to a members-only list and it 'got past' moderation controls. The list is set to not allow non-members to send to the list, but somehow it got through the default rule of "discard (no notification)" for a non-member and got to the list. The only oddness I can tell is that there was an emoji (unicode) in the subject line but as I understand how Mailman works, this should NOT have impacted anything, as the sender filter bits happen earlier in message processing. Has *anyone* seen any cases like this before? If this is repeatable or a known issue, it deserves a CVE security bug because this is a **severe** problem.

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Unadvertised lists accessible even if not signed in
by Peter Chubb Jan. 5, 2026

Jan. 5, 2026

Hi folks, I'm running Mailman3 3.3.10, with postorius and hyperkitty. I want unadvertised lists to be visible only to the people who are subscribed to them and to site administrators. Right now, anyone who has the name of a list can construct a URL to the signup page, even for unadvertised lists. So, I can go to: https://site.name/postorius/lists/test.site.name/ and get to the test list, even if it is unadvertised. I see people scanning URLs like this in the NGINX logs, looking for lists. How can I prevent anyone not logged in, and not a member of an unadvertised list, from seeing it? Peter C

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Getting original message headers
by Peter Chubb Jan. 5, 2026

Jan. 5, 2026

We've been seeing some particularly pernicious spammers recently. They're using gmail accounts; I'd like to report them to Google. To do that I need to find the original message headers. By the time the message gets to the archive, or to the mailing list recipients, all the Received: headers seem to have been deleted, leaving only the ones from my list server outwards. Is there a way to access the original incoming emai, before DMARC mitigation etc., has changed the headers? Peter C

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