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Create a mailman-web admin user
by Roland Giesler 30 Jul '24

30 Jul '24

I having a hard time understanding how to create an admin user for postorius (mailman-web). The docs say at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html Setting up Admin Account <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#setting-up-admin-account> To create a superuser account in Django, run the following interactive command as|mailman|user: (venv)$ mailman-web createsuperuser However, which user in the mailman user mentioned? I tried to do this as root, but login in as an admin doesn't give me any option to create new lists in postorius. What am I missing / doing wrong? regards Roland

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using SSH/TLS with external MTA
by Roland Giesler 30 Jul '24

30 Jul '24

I have managed thus far to get things working on my new install, but I need to use a secure logon to send mail from an external MTA. I have set up: /etc/mailman/mailman.cfg: smtp_host: box2.gtahardware.co.za smtp_port: 465 smtp_user: roland(a)giesler.za.net smtp_pass: <hidden> smtp_secure_mode: smtps smtp_verify_cert: no smtp_verify_hostname: no I'll get a cert installed later, for now just want to get it going. This error occurs when I try to create a new user in postorius. ERROR 2024-07-24 15:29:45,572 2150 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 47, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 70, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 43, in _wrapper return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/decorators/debug.py", line 89, in sensitive_post_parameters_wrapper return view(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 146, in dispatch return super(LoginView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 74, in dispatch response = super(RedirectAuthenticatedUserMixin, self).dispatch( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 98, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 102, in post response = self.form_valid(form) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/views.py", line 159, in form_valid return form.login(self.request, redirect_url=success_url) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/forms.py", line 196, in login ret = perform_login( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/utils.py", line 175, in perform_login send_email_confirmation(request, user, signup=signup, email=email) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/utils.py", line 346, in send_email_confirmation email_address.send_confirmation(request, signup=signup) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/models.py", line 62, in send_confirmation confirmation.send(request, signup=signup) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/models.py", line 169, in send get_adapter(request).send_confirmation_mail(request, self, signup) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 464, in send_confirmation_mail self.send_mail(email_template, emailconfirmation.email_address.email, ctx) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 136, in send_mail msg.send() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/message.py", line 284, in send return self.get_connection(fail_silently).send_messages([self]) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/backends/smtp.py", line 109, in send_messages sent = self._send(message) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/backends/smtp.py", line 125, in _send self.connection.sendmail(from_email, recipients, message.as_bytes(linesep='\r\n')) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/smtplib.py", line 901, in sendmail raise SMTPRecipientsRefused(senderrs) smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused: {'roland(a)giesler.za.net': (454, b'4.7.1 <roland(a)giesler.za.net>: Relay access denied')} However, the mailserver is in daily use and accept logon all the time. I believe I'm missing something that should be installed to make SMTPS (SSL) work, but what?

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xapian db corruption - xapian.DatabaseCorruptError: Couldn't read enough (EOF) ??
by Odhiambo Washington 29 Jul '24

29 Jul '24

Today, my hourly cron job has generated an error and continues to do so every hour: ``` Subject: Cron <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly ``` Not sure what caused this. Perhaps a reboot when the cronjob hadn't completed? And a possible manual remedy would be to wipe the indexed db and let the cron run again? [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 1 - 1000 (retry 5/5): Couldn't read enough (EOF) (pid 85950): Couldn't read enough (EOF) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 119, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 276, in update database = self._database(writable=True) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 1160, in _database database = xapian.WritableDatabase(self.path, xapian.DB_CREATE_OR_OPEN) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian/__init__.py", line 3743, in __init__ _xapian.WritableDatabase_swiginit(self, _xapian.new_WritableDatabase(*args)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ xapian.DatabaseCorruptError: Couldn't read enough (EOF) Failed to update the fulltext index: Couldn't read enough (EOF) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 179, in run_with_lock fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 117, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 342, in update_backend max_pk = do_update( ^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 119, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 276, in update database = self._database(writable=True) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 1160, in _database database = xapian.WritableDatabase(self.path, xapian.DB_CREATE_OR_OPEN) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian/__init__.py", line 3743, in __init__ _xapian.WritableDatabase_swiginit(self, _xapian.new_WritableDatabase(*args)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ xapian.DatabaseCorruptError: Couldn't read enough (EOF) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Internal Server Error, Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1
by Elias Rudberg 29 Jul '24

29 Jul '24

Hello! I am using mailman3 (version 3.3.8) and it mostly works fine, but sometimes (usually several times every day) the error below appears. Any suggestions for what could be done about this? Should it be considered a bug in Django, so not a mailman3 problem, or does it indicate something wrong with mailman3 itself? Best regards, Elias Here is what the error message looks like: ------------------------------------------- [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/postorius/lists/ Internal Server Error: /mailman3/postorius/lists/ ValueError at /postorius/lists/ Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1. [...] Django Version: 3.2.19 [...] Python Version: 3.11.2 [...] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 47, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 1145, in list_index return render( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 19, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 170, in render return self._render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 162, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 162, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 62, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 315, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 315, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/library.py", line 234, in render return t.render(new_context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 172, in render return self._render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 162, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 938, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py", line 905, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 203, in render raise ValueError( Exception Type: ValueError at /postorius/lists/ Exception Value: Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1. Request information: USER: AnonymousUser [...] -------------------------------------------

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MM3 generates long lines?
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au 28 Jul '24

28 Jul '24

I'm seeing emails being dropped when mm3 talks to the local smtp server, with log errors like: 2021-06-23 15:42:24 1lvvea-007r8u-VN H=localhost (<FQDN>) [::1] F=<announce-bounces@<FQDN>> rejected after DATA: maximum allowed line length is 998 octets, got 1036 The email itself did not have such long lines AFAICT. I can disable line length checking on the mailserver, but that sounds like a recipe for the next one along to drop the email. Peter C

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Removing Moderators
by steve.bachinsky＠tena-sda.org 27 Jul '24

27 Jul '24

Hi. I'm able to remove a list moderator through the REST interface: >>> dump_json('BASE_URL/3.1/lists/LIST_NAME/roster/moderator') ... find the correct member_id from the output >>> dump_json('BASE_URL/3.1/members/MEMBER_ID', method='DELETE') If I know the moderator's email address, is there a way to do this in a python function? Thanks, Steve

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Issues with a DMARC record leading to message being shunted
by Ralf Hildebrandt 27 Jul '24

27 Jul '24

Hi! Recently a mail was not being distributed via our MM3 instance; I searched the logs and found: Dec 22 04:54:27 2023 (24) ACCEPT: <1d431542-b386-467b-8bf2-305f19ee7eb4(a)somenet.org> Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) Uncaught runner exception: list index out of range Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 272, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 53, in process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 125, in process authenticate(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/utilities/retry.py", line 44, in f_retry return f(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py", line 93, in authenticate auth_result = authenticate_message( File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 395, in authenticate_message dmarc_result = check_dmarc(msg, spf_result, dkim_result, dnsfunc=dnsfunc, psddmarc=psddmarc) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 343, in check_dmarc result, result_comment, from_domain, policy = dmarc_per_from(from_domain, spf_result, dkim_result, dnsfunc, psddmarc) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 90, in dmarc_per_from record, orgdomain = receiver_record(from_domain) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 117, in receiver_record retval = lookup_receiver_record(hostSansDmarc, dnsfunc) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 92, in lookup_receiver_record tags = answer_to_dict(str(result)) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 42, in answer_to_dict retval = {t[0].strip().lower(): t[1].strip().lower() for t in rawTags} File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 42, in <dictcomp> retval = {t[0].strip().lower(): t[1].strip().lower() for t in rawTags} IndexError: list index out of range Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) SHUNTING: 1703220868.1418982+b27f5db154375fcd2c418d467172e4aad0d3d57a So the message has been shunted, due to this error. Something with DMARC and tags. So I checked the DMARC record for the sending domain somenet.org. It is "v=DMARC1;p=none;pct=100;rua=mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;ri=3600;fo=1;" which is syntactically incorrect. The extra ";mailto:postmaster@somenet.org" is wrong, I guess the tag "ruf=" is missing here! It should probably read "v=DMARC1;p=none;pct=100;rua=mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;ruf=mailto:postmaster@somenet.org;ri=3600;fo=1;" So, should mm3 somehow "catch" this error somehow? According to the DMARC specs, an syntactically incorrect DMARC record should be ignored / handled as if none were present. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebrandt(a)charite.de https://www.charite.de

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hyperkitty threads by month question
by Bryan Fields 27 Jul '24

27 Jul '24

I have installed a testing server for an organization I'm working with to explore migration from MM2 to MM3. Our main list has archives from 1992, and when importing the mbox into hyperkitty/mm3 I notice the archives by month only go back to July 2007, but the messages are there when I search for specific ones from the old archive in the 1992-2007 range. Is there a better way to get this to show up, or perhaps a better format we can display old archives in that's not 400+ line drop down? Thank you, -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

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config.pck from mailman2 has characters that won't import with import21
by Greg Newby 26 Jul '24

26 Jul '24

Hi. I've set up MM3 in a venv successfully and am importing my legacy lists. I no longer have a running instance of mailman2, so don't know how I can change the offending list settings (i.e., in config.pck). The problem seems to be a digest footer from the previous incarnation of the list (list name is edited below, to protect the innocent): (venv) mailman@mail:~$ mailman import21 abc(a)lists.abcabcabc.org /var/lib/mailman/lists/abc/config.pck Unable to convert mailing list attribute: msg_footer with value "_______________________________________________ ${display_name} mailing list -- ${listname} To unsubscribe send an email to ${short_listname}-leave@${domain} %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s" Unable to convert mailing list attribute: digest_footer with value "_______________________________________________ ${display_name} mailing list -- ${listname} To unsubscribe send an email to ${short_listname}-leave@${domain} %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s" Importing members [------------------------------------] 0% Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) ^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1078, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1688, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1434, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 783, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 33, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_import.py", line 89, in import21 import_config_pck(mlist, config_dict) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/utilities/importer.py", line 578, in import_config_pck import_roster(mlist, config_dict, members, MemberRole.member) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/utilities/importer.py", line 625, in import_roster _import_roster(mlist, config_dict, iterator, role, action=action) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/utilities/importer.py", line 645, in _import_roster if IBanManager(mlist).is_banned(email): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/model/bans.py", line 103, in is_banned re.match(ban.email, email, re.IGNORECASE) is not None): ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/__init__.py", line 167, in match return _compile(pattern, flags).match(string) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/__init__.py", line 307, in _compile p = _compiler.compile(pattern, flags) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_compiler.py", line 745, in compile p = _parser.parse(p, flags) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 979, in parse p = _parse_sub(source, state, flags & SRE_FLAG_VERBOSE, 0) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 460, in _parse_sub itemsappend(_parse(source, state, verbose, nested + 1, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/re/_parser.py", line 690, in _parse raise source.error("multiple repeat", re.error: multiple repeat at position 11 It seems that I might need to install mailman2 somewhere to try to change the config.pck. Are there any other options? I have dozens of lists with the same problem. Thanks. Greg Newby

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Run a mailman program outside of mailman shell
by Greg Newby 25 Jul '24

25 Jul '24

Hi again folks. I have hundreds of lists to convert from MM2.1 to MM3, and intend to write a Python program do this this rather than running commands in mailman shell (and rather than running 'command()' functions in mailman shell, if possible). However, when I write a simple Python program to run the types of commands found in the Mailman docs, such as these <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…>, I get errors. This is a venv installation, following these instructions <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>. The Mailman3 installation is working fine and I have a handful of lists in production that I set up manually. Here's a very simple program, import-try1.py, just to create a list: #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 from mailman.app.lifecycle import create_list l = create_list('testlist2(a)lists.aaabbb.org') Here's the output I get (yes, the domain exists and already has lists - I'm putting aaabbb instead of the actual domain name): ./import-try1.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/./import-try1.py", line 4, in <module> l = create_list('testlist2(a)lists.aaabbb.org') ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/lifecycle.py", line 74, in create_list getUtility(IEmailValidator).validate(fqdn_listname) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 180, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) zope.interface.interfaces.ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass mailman.interfaces.address.IEmailValidator>, '') I get different errors with other sets of commands. The same commands work fine from `mailman shell`, i.e., (venv) mailman@mail:~$ mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman3 shell on aaabbb.org >>> from mailman.app.lifecycle import create_list >>> l = create_list('testlist2(a)lists.aaabbb.org') >>> Output from mailman info, with the passwords omitted: GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.12.3 (main, Apr 10 2024, 05:33:47) [GCC 13.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:secretaaabbb@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:reallysecretaaabbb I suspect I just need to either change the interpreter (1st line of my program), or find the correct 'import' lines (I've tried numerous variations; the above is the simplest example). Help will be appreciated! Greg

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