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Found error in docker-container
by Alexander Klotz July 5, 2017

July 5, 2017

Hi, one of our developers wanted to point out an error he found in mailman 3.1, docker container maxking/mailman-core-0.1 The entries in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp are not set correctly, example: /^testlist(a)mailman\.example\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2# IP Address of mailman-core container]:8024 this actually should look like this: /^testlist(a)mailman\.example\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 Regards, Alex

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REST API notes
by tlhackque＠yahoo.com June 29, 2017

June 29, 2017

As a beginner with the REST API, I found it necessary to read code and experiment to figure out how to get things done. There are a number of implementation choices that are unusual. There is some documentation in src/mailman/rest/docs. It's oriented toward Python and intermixes the mailman client & REST API, apparently trying to show equivalence. Here are some notes that may help others to avoid repeating my research. They reflect Mailman 3.1. Some reflect issues that I've opened, but I think it's worth knowing how things work today. I attempted to tie together some of pieces that are in the documentation - and note some things that aren't. I may have some things wrong, but this reflects my current understanding. (And client code.) The REST API has a hybrid interface: Requests are made with application/x-www-form-urlencoded POST, PUT, PATCH and delete http requests. Requests are also accepted as parameter strings. The responses are JSON. (This is rather surprising - one would expect JSON requests - and I hope someday they'll be accepted, as the split complicates clients. I suspect this evolved to simplify the initial Web GUI client (Postorious), but it precludes using standard JSON-in/JSON-out client libraries.) Error responses are often misidentified as content-type: application/json, but actually contain a text/plain error message. This isn't universally true; for example the 401 response actually IS JSON. A client has to guess and handle decoding exceptions. The API presents resources hierarchically, rooted at '/'. The top level resources include /users, /lists. /addresses, /domains, /system The next level is a resource id. There is a an id which is stable for the lifetime of an object, and a current name (which can be changed). For example, a list has a name like mylist(a)example.com, and a list_id of mylist.example.com. But if you change the list name, it becomes mynewname(a)example.net, while the list_id remains mylist.example.com. Lists are associated with "domains", which are the "domain part" of the list's address. That is, the part after the @. This is sometimes referred to as the "mail host", but there need not be a real host. Just something on the left side of a DNS MX record. Also, don't confuse the use of "mail host" with that of "SMTP Server", which is how Mailman sends mail. The domain is where Mailman expects to receive it. A fully qualified list name is the list name + domain - e.g. its posting address. One domain can (and usually does) support more than one list. If you delete the domain, all its lists go away too. A domain has to be created before you can create a list with an address in that domain. Resources are created with a POST to their top-level resource. To create a domain, post to /domains with mail_host => the domain, and (optionally) description => a description for the GUI. The response isn't JSON as one would expect. In fact, it's an empty application/json response with a 201 status. To create a list, one POSTs to /lists. This post takes a restricted set of parameters; in the case of a list, just its fqdn_listname, (and an optional style - which isn't well defined). The response isn't JSON as one would expect. The Location header of the response contains a URL of the new list. To configure the list, you have to follow up with a PUT or PATCH to that URL + /config This is where you can set the description, posting policy, etc. It's unrealistic to do a PUT; even if you're cloning another list, there's no programatic way to determine which attributes are writable. PATCH what you know... Members are associated with e-mail addresses - which belong to Users. You create a user by posting to /users with email => the email address, and optionally display_name => the name string. (A user can also be implicitly created by subscribing an e-mail address, but that gets confusing.) The e-mail address is the primary email address for the user. More later. Again, you get a Location header in the response, which you can use to PATCH /preferences to set delivery_status, etc. .These preferences are part of a hierarchy - many have a system default, a list default, the user default, and a subscription to that list value. You can find the User associated with a list by a GET of /addresses/address(a)example.net. This GET returns two URLs: user => the user owning this address, and self_link => the address object. Note also that there are both an email and original_email attribute. The latter preserves case. The former is used internally by Mailman as a resource key, etc. (Though exactly what happens if John(a)example.net and john(a)example.net both subscribe is unclear.) Once a list is configured, you can add members. This requires the list_id - which you don't (officially) have. So you do a GET on the list resource, to get the list_id. Then you can subscribe a member with list_id => (the list id), subscriber => email address. Optionally you can pre_verify/confirm/approve the member and/or add a display_name.. POST to /members. Again, you get a Location header back. You can't specify everything you might like. as a creation attribute. So you may have to PATCH the member to, for example, set the moderation_status. You may also need to PATCH the member /preferences if you want to set list-level delivery status, etc. Consider adding at least an owner when creating a list. One challenge is that almost everything requires multiple REST operations to set up. But REST (by definition) is stateless. So the best you can do is order operations & hope. The mailman client examples refer to transactions (e.g in users.rst, there is 'transaction.commit(); - but REST can't hold state. It does appear that the server uses DB transactions to ensure that any given REST operation is ACID, but the composite operations (e.g. create a list and set it's config) can not be Atomic. This is an architectural flaw in the API. Symbolic names (which are required) for attributes are in the src/mailman/interfaces/(class).py. What you can get/set comes from src/mailman/rest/(class).py.

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Some doc updates from Fedora install experience
by tlhackque＠yahoo.com June 26, 2017

June 26, 2017

Trying to get mailman3 setup round three. Some notes from a first timer that I hope will be of use. These are in order of experience, and unfiltered. I'm a bit confused about why you have a release that pip should be able to install, but the advice I get is to pretend I'm developing from git. But off we go: Following http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html: I'm using Fedora 25. Packaged Python is 2.7.13-2, 3.6.3-6, 2-setuptools 25.1.1-1, 2-virtualenv 15.0.3-2 nodejs-less 2.7.1-1 sassc 3.4.1-1 a) fedora now uses dnf rather than yum (and has for some time). Specify dnf install rather than yum install b) sassc is packaged - just add it to the end of the dnf install string. I'm using sendmail. Directly outbound. Inbound, a custom LMTP client. It is possible to setup sendmail to use LMTP for local delivery - but if you do, it's the ONLY local delivery (or you're into some serious sendmail configuration hacking). Most installations use procmail and/or pipes. I could probably extract a pipe -> lmtp script from my project - but it's Perl, not Python. The current install process assumes a lot of Python knowledge/interaction, which is a barrier to adoption. Documentation should note that the virtualenv commands create directories of those names (I'm not a Python person, so everything is a surprise.) To save typing, I defined: alias p0='[ -n "$_OLD_VIRTUAL_PATH" ] && deactivate;cd ~mailman3' alias p2='[ -n "$_OLD_VIRTUAL_PATH" ] && deactivate;cd ~/mailman3 && source venv-2.7/bin/activate' alias p3='[ -n "$_OLD_VIRTUAL_PATH" ] && deactivate;cd ~/mailman3 && source venv-3.5/bin/activate' I suggest using mailman3 as the top level in your examples, since there's also a mailman directory in the path, and mailman is easily confused with mailman/mailman Also, if you have mailman2 - or your distro has provision for it - 'mailman' has other semantics. (Including, but not limited to things like SeLinux contexts...) I got tracebacks when I got to the "mailman info" command. After some experimentation/digging, resolved with dnf install python3-dateutil This was confusing because Python/pip seemed to think dateutil was installed - perhaps it fell back to the Python2 version? mailman info works! >> You can edit your mailman.cfg file But which one? there's one in src/mailman/config and one in var/etc/mailman.cfg. Should specify. But var looks like the one to modify, the other. The suggestion to look at the one in src for doc isn't very helpful, there are virtually no comments. So, look at the schema. To get started, I set the following: [mailman] site_owner: admin(a)example.net [devmode] enabled: yes [mta] smtp_host: smtp.example.net smtp_port: 587 #smtp_user: #smtp_pass: lmtp_host: 192.168.148.19 lmtp_port: 8024 ### Note: LMTP needs security, preferably SSL.. Thiis is probably a bunch of config items that get fed into the Python library (e.g. use ssl, cert files (current openssl includes key w/cert, but often multiple certs - rsa + ecdsa) verify client, ca bundle, ca path, client ca.) Despite the list, these are all pass-through parameters, so should not be much work. Once you have SSL, a simple shared secret (e.g. password) can be used. Or (my preference) client verification (certificate). Maybe a proxy, but who needs another process to manage? FWIW, my MTA runs on a separate VM from the MM instance, so assuming "localhost" is secure doesn't work. It also doesn't work on a multiuser machine. mailman start got some things running. Telnet & LHLO wakes up LMTP! I guess I should try to setup my first list. More as it develops.

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Mailman 3 Container Images v0.1
by Abhilash Raj June 26, 2017

June 26, 2017

Hi Everyone, I have been working on containerizing Mailman 3 so that it becomes easier to test and try Mailman 3. There are two images in total: * maxking/mailman-core : This consists of Mailman Core and includes the plugin to enable the Hyperkitty Archiver. * maxking/mailman-web : This consists of a full Django installation and run the Mailman's Web UI components. It has Mailman Client, Postorius & Hyperkitty. The images are built from the Dockerfiles hosted on Github[3] in case you want to look at it. You can find most of the documentation about these images at https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/. The version of the internal components included in each image is available here[7]. The images are versioned and the process is documented[4], please have a look before you use them. Also, the images are signed and I encourage you to verify them before using. The process of how-to verify is also documented. Docker Compose is a tool written in Python makes is very easy to deploy connected-images and take the pain out of writing long long commands for spinning of containers. There is a sample `docker-compose.yml` file in the Github repository mentioned above which is kind-of tested to be able to spin off these images in vanilla condition (without any customization/configuration). You can report issues, comments or concerns in the Github repo[6]. [1]: https://hub.docker.com/r/maxking/mailman-core/ [2]: https://hub.docker.com/r/maxking/mailman-web/ [3]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman [4]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/#release [5]: http://semver.org/ [6]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues [7]: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/wiki -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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API Question: map list -> UI URL?
by tlhackque＠yahoo.com June 24, 2017

June 24, 2017

Using the REST API, how do I get from a list / list configuration to the URL of the management GUI? I've looked through the data returned by the API and even the SQL schemas; I don't see the path. Am I missing something, or do I need to log an issue for this? I'm not particularly interested in the subscriber pages, but it ought to be possible to get there too... Thanks.

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Topics? First bug...
by tlhackque June 21, 2017

June 21, 2017

Hi, I'd like to deploy a new project on Mailman 3, which I prototyped on 2.1). Unfortunately, it's organized as one mailing list with ~ 120 topics. (The project follows another source, and it's much easier to spin up (or down) a new topic than to instantiate & manage a new list.) I see that the latest Mailman 3 release (Congrats!) doesn't support topics yet. Where is that on your todo list? First bug: Looking at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/. If I set "results per page" to a large number & switch months, results per page reverts to the default (10). It should stick with whatever I select... It also would be nice to have an account preference for this, so it doesn't have to be set on each visit.

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Re: Http/Https
by Abhilash Raj June 15, 2017

June 15, 2017

Excerpts from Simon HANNA's message of June 14, 2017 1:06 pm: > You are supposed to force https in the webserver, serving postorius and hyperkitty. Especially in postorius almost all pages contain sensitive information. > > On June 14, 2017 10:05:59 PM GMT+02:00, Bill <bill3(a)uniserve.com> wrote: >>Hi folks, >> >>We're setting up Mailman 3.1 and so far installation has been good and >>we're now in the testing phase. >> >>We've run into a snag with the account signup function on Postorius. >> >>When Postorius sends an email to the user to confirm their address, it >>displays a link using the https protocol. This doesn't work. But, if we >> >>manually change the protocol to http it will work, confirm the address >>and take us back to Postorius. >> >>Is this a known bug or have we committed a configuration error? I agree to Simon's suggestion that you should use HTTPS for all communications for Postorius. However, if you really want to, it is possible to change the behavior using a configuration parameter in django-allauth which is what controls the user signup and email verification. ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL (=”http”) If you set the above to "http" in your django's settings.py, it should then generate urls with http. [1]: https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configuration.html Message-ID: <draft-878tktptc9.fsf(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 01:07:18 -0700 X-Notmuch-Emacs-Draft: True -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Http/Https
by Bill June 14, 2017

June 14, 2017

Hi folks, We're setting up Mailman 3.1 and so far installation has been good and we're now in the testing phase. We've run into a snag with the account signup function on Postorius. When Postorius sends an email to the user to confirm their address, it displays a link using the https protocol. This doesn't work. But, if we manually change the protocol to http it will work, confirm the address and take us back to Postorius. Is this a known bug or have we committed a configuration error? All assistance appreciated. Bill -- Sent using Icedove on Debian GNU/Linux.

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Re: "Private archives" aren't private
by Simon Liebold June 6, 2017

June 6, 2017

Am 06.06.2017 um 22:25 schrieb Abhilash Raj: > Excerpts from Simon Liebold via Mailman-users's message of June 6, > 2017 1:20 pm: >> >> AttributeError: type object 'BaseCommand' has no attribute >> 'option_list' > > It was reported recently on the bug tracker, you can track the > progress here[1]. > > > [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/135#note_31529582 Thanks Abhilash for the pointer. Simon

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(Email|Thread) matching query does not exist ?
by Simon Liebold June 6, 2017

June 6, 2017

I am seeing these errors: mailman-suite_project$ python manage.py qcluster 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-11541 starting. 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 11546 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 11547 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster at 11545 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 pushing tasks at 11549 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-11541 running. 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 monitoring at 11548 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] 19:27:52 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] 19:27:52 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. 19:27:52 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. 19:27:52 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. Should I need to worry? I recently deleted some test emails from the archive. Don't know if this has anything to do with it. Simon

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"Delete this thread" -> 'HTTP-500 -> NoneType' object has no attribute 'all'
by Simon Liebold May 30, 2017

May 30, 2017

Is deleting threads from the archive (via Hyperkitty) currently supported? I am getting the error indicated above if I click on "Delete this thread". Is there another way to delete whole threads or individual posts? Simon

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Editing "automatic responses" tab i Postorius does not work
by David Krantz May 26, 2017

May 26, 2017

Hi, I am trying to change e.g. the value of "notify admin on membership changes" through postorius. This is not possible as I have no URLs for the various templates (all templates are using defaults stored on the server). Is this something that can be circumvented or fixed? I can of course change admin_notify_mchanges in the "mailman withlist" interface, but this is less than ideal. best regards // David

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ANNOUNCE: Mailman 3.1.0 final!
by Barry Warsaw May 26, 2017

May 26, 2017

Hello Mailpeople! On behalf of the entire team and all our wonderful contributors, I'm happy to announce the release of GNU Mailman 3.1 final. My deep thanks go to all the Mailman project sprinters at Pycon 2017 for getting us over the line! Two years after the original release of Mailman 3.0, this version contains a huge number of improvements across the entire stack. Many bugs have been fixed and new features added in the Core, Postorius (web u/i), and HyperKitty (archiver). Upgrading from Mailman 2.1 should be better too. We are seeing more production sites adopt Mailman 3, and we've been getting great feedback as these have rolled out. Important: mailman-bundler, our previous recommended way of deploying Mailman 3, has been deprecated. Abhilash Raj is putting the finishing touches on Docker images to deploy everything, and he'll have a further announcement in a week or two. Feedback is welcome: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman What is GNU Mailman? GNU Mailman is free software for managing electronic mail discussion and e-newsletter lists. Mailman is integrated with the web, making it easy for users to manage their accounts and for list owners to administer their lists. Mailman supports built-in archiving, automatic bounce processing, content filtering, digest delivery, and more. Mailman 3 is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License, version 3. The best places to start for all things related to this release: http://docs.mailman3.org/ http://www.list.org/ https://gitlab.com/mailman (Note: due to timezone skew, some of the tarballs may not be available on PyPI until tomorrow.) Happy Mailman Day, -Your friendly neighborhood cabal An overview of what's new in Mailman 3.1 ======================================== Feature parity with Mailman 2.1 ------------------------------- * You should be able to do just about everything that you could do in Mailman 2.1 *except* for topics and sibling/umbrella lists. Core ---- * Added support for Python 3.5 and 3.6 * MySQL is now an officially supported database * Many improvements with importing Mailman 2.1 lists * DMARC mitigations have been added, based on, but different than the same feature in Mailman 2.1 * The REST API requires HTTP/1.1 * A new REST API version (3.1) has been added which changes how UUIDs are interpreted, fixing the problem for some JavaScript libraries * Many new REST resources and methods have been added * Individual mailing lists can augment the system's header matching rules * `mailman create` now creates missing domains by default * `mailman digests` now has `--verbose` and `--dry-run` options * `mailman shell` now supports readline history * `mailman members` can filter members based on their subscription roles * A new template system has been added for all messages originating from inside Mailman. * The Message-ID-Hash header replaces X-Message-ID-Hash * New placeholders have been added for headers and footers * Unsubscriptions can now be confirmed and/or moderated Postorius/HyperKitty -------------------- * General U/I and U/X improvements * Many more features from the Core's have been plumbed through * We've adopted Django social auth logins and dropped Persona (since it's no longer supported upstream). You can now log in via Facebook, Google, GitHub, and GitLab. Backward incompatibilities -------------------------- * Core/REST: Held message resources now have an `original_subject` key that is not RFC 2047 decoded. `subject` is now RFC 2047 decoded. * Core/REST: If you've run pre-release versions from git head, and stored welcome and goodbye templates via REST, the template key names have changed backward incompatibility.

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Multiple header_checks in mailman.cfg. How?
by Simon Liebold May 20, 2017

May 20, 2017

Hello, What is the correct syntax if I wanted to perform multiple header checks? header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) header_checks: x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: ['X-Spam: (yes|maybe)', 'x-another-header: (some|any)thing'] Or something completely different? I don't think it is the first two because "mailman conf -s antispam" shows only a single header_checks. But the 3rd variant doesn't work either. Simon Hello, What is the correct syntax if I wanted to perform multiple header checks? header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) header_checks: x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: X-Spam: (yes|maybe) x-another-header: (some|any)thing or: header_checks: ['X-Spam: (yes|maybe)', 'x-another-header: (some|any)thing'] Or something completely different? I don't think it is the first two because "mailman conf -s antispam" shows only a single h= eader_checks. But the 3rd variant doesn't work either. Simon

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Character set for postorius
by David Krantz May 18, 2017

May 18, 2017

Hi, I'd like to have my descriptions of maillists with the correct characters for my languages... Where is the character set for this determined? If I input e.g. 'è' (è) or 'ö' (ö) it is substituted with a '?'. Of course the html entities are not allowed either, the ampersand '&' is escaped somewhere between output and input. Cheers // David

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HyperKitty needs regis, really?
by Simon Liebold May 15, 2017

May 15, 2017

Hi I am seeing a whole bunch of error messages in mailmansuite.log whenever a new message is sent to be archived: ERROR 2017-05-14 15:41:41,261 13634 django.request Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive ... File "/opt/mailman/venv-2.7/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/redis/connection.py", line 442, in connect raise ConnectionError(self._error_message(e)) ConnectionError: Error 111 connecting to localhost:6379. Connection refused. I didn't see this mentioned anywhere. Does HyperKitty need a running regis server to work? What am I missing? Simon

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So, why are css & js files only served with "DEBUG = yes" ?
by Simon Liebold May 7, 2017

May 7, 2017

Hello List, I did see this discussed in #180 <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/180>, but I didn't quite understand if this is an issue or not. Why is it that I can run the development server just fine. [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/css/style.css HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/js/bootstrap.min.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/django-mailman3/js/main.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/libs/jquery/jquery-1.11.3.min.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/django-mailman3/css/main.css HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/js/script.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png HTTP/1.1" 304 0 And as soon as I comment out # SECURITY WARNING: don't run with debug turned on in production! # DEBUG = True in mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/settings.py and restart it 404s on me. [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css HTTP/1.1" 404 127 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/django-mailman3/css/main.css HTTP/1.1" 404 109 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/css/style.css HTTP/1.1" 404 104 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/django-mailman3/js/main.js HTTP/1.1" 404 107 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/js/bootstrap.min.js HTTP/1.1" 404 125 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/libs/jquery/jquery-1.11.3.min.js HTTP/1.1" 404 123 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/js/script.js HTTP/1.1" 404 103 [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png HTTP/1.1" 404 123 So the choice is insecure vs. ugly? Neither of those sounds very tempting. I guess, I am missing something, or no? Simon

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reason for breaching max_message_size is "N/A"
by David Krantz May 1, 2017

May 1, 2017

Hi. Today I learned to things: The default max_message_size is 40kB. Messages larger than that are blocked (expected) with the reason "N/A" (not expected). The reason would be helpful to me as admin. Also: Is there any way to set a server default for this as it is a bit of a hassle to change it from the command line for each new list. I can of course find where in the code to change but that seems the wrong way to me. Cheers // David

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Any good ideas on how to troubleshoot django allauth
by David Krantz April 27, 2017

April 27, 2017

Hi again. Allauth works for me... sometimes... For google logins it works most of the time. For facebook it almost never works. When it does not work, I get an error page with the error "An error occurred while attempting to login via your social network account." (or the equivalent in my locale). If I then reload the page, I get logged in! In some cases I get the error and the little green popup saying that I am logged in at the same time. Strange. So... If there is any documentation for how to set up or how to troubleshoot django allauth I am all ears (eyes, really). I have tested the "missing howto..." and updated version of that without enough success. Cheers // David The only thing I find is in the Apache log: (I have removed all cryptovalues and other things that should be uninteresting to others) [LOCAL_IP] - - [19/Apr/2017:00:00:39 +0000] "GET /accounts/facebook/login/?process=login&next=%2Farchives%2F HTTP/1.1" 302 706 "https://lists.example.com/accounts/login/?next=/archives/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/52.0.2743.116 Safari/537.36 Edge/15.15063" [LOCAL_IP] - - [19/Apr/2017:00:00:53 +0000] "GET /accounts/facebook/login/callback/?code=[LONG CRYPTO-LOOKING STRING] HTTP/1.1" 200 2129 "https://www.facebook.com/login/reauth.php?app_id=[MY_APP_ID_I_THINK]&signed…" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/52.0.2743.116 Safari/537.36 Edge/15.15063"

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Patch/kludge suggestion and a question on adding accepted addresses
by David Krantz April 25, 2017

April 25, 2017

Hi. I found out that I had a broken email in one of my held messages queues). That gave a HTTP 500 error although that should be fixed . After some digging I found out that where the error occured. I'd suggest adding a catch for AttributeError similar to the one for KeyError in _HeldMessageBase in rest/post_moderation.py. It solved my immediate problem at least. I run the version from git with the tag 263711b3b7988c7c474e3b8952dc7e0f02f04fa2 The message causing this was probably one where I had sent a minimal email via telnet to the SMTP port and forgot the MessageID-header or something similarily silly. But it prevented me from seeing the held messages-list in postorius. I have another question: In the old mailman you could add accepted senders without adding them to the list. Is that possible in Mailman 3/Postorius? cheers. // David

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502 Bad Gateway??? Trying to change stuff
by am April 23, 2017

April 23, 2017

I am trying to change my email address, but forgot password. The screen for reset gets 502 Bad Gateway ------------------------------ nginx/1.4.6 (Ubuntu) any way someone can fix this????

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Remove footer link
by David Terni April 23, 2017

April 23, 2017

Hi, I need to remove footer message like "to unsubscribe etc etc" from all lists. How i can do it or edit text? Thanks alot for any suggestion. David

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Fwd: Incoming command emails (i.e. listname-leave) routed to list itself
by Abhilash Raj April 22, 2017

April 22, 2017

Hi Mark, Excerpts from Mark Lindsay's message of April 20, 2017 5:37 pm: <snip> Here are some baffling lines from /var/log/exim4/mainlog from the incoming > potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org email: > > 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r DKIM: d=nervous-org.20150623. > gappssmtp.com s=20150623 c=relaxed/relaxed a=rsa-sha256 [verification > succeeded] > 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r <= redacted(a)nervous.org H= > mail-qk0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170] P=esmtp S=2466 id= > CABPy5zyQtJHXtCgrN37GHCUOjuo3J=DO_j0ZD03zm8gk+4shww(a)mail.gmail.com > 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r => potato(a)lists.mydomain.org < > potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org> R=mailman3_router T=mailman3_transport > H=localhost [127.0.0.1] C="250 Ok" > 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r Completed > > Why does it say `potato(a)lists.mydomain.org <potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.o > rg > >> `? >> > > I think this is actually an exim4 problem, so if the solution is to just > switch to postfix, then I will definitely do that. But I'm just asking in > case someone had a similar issue with exim4 and was able to work through > it. > > Yes, I had the exact same problem very recently and was able to fix it. The updated documentation[1] should fix your problem. The basic gist of the problem is that the exim configuration on the older documentation is missing a critical part. Exim4 by default strips off any prefixes/suffixes when delivering mail to the mailman, which causes mailman to post all the messages to mailing list instead of processing them as commands. `rcpt_include_affixes = true` Adding the above line to the transport fixes that problem. [1]: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mt a.html#exim4-configuration thanks, Abhilash

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Incoming command emails (i.e. listname-leave) routed to list itself
by Mark Lindsay April 21, 2017

April 21, 2017

Hi mailman-users, I'm new to Mailman 3 and Mailman in general, but I've got it up and running, and my external app is communicating quite well with the administrative REST API. Here's the only problem I haven't been able to figure out: Say I have a list called "potato." List members can post to the list by emailing potato(a)lists.mydomain.org. This works fine. However, incoming mail for command addresses (e.g. potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org) is routed to the list too. The command email gets sent out to all members, as if the user who wanted to unsubscribe had just written to potato(a)lists.mydomain.org. This is also the case with the potato-request(a)lists.mydomain.org address. I am using exim4 on Ubuntu. I followed the instructions here: http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/release-3.0/src/mailman/docs/MTA.html. The only change I had to make to the exim4 config files in the readthedocs instructions was in this line: MM3_LISTCHK=MM3_HOME/lists/${local_part}@${domain} I had to change it to: MM3_LISTCHK=MM3_HOME/lists/${local_part}.${domain} That is how the subdirectories are named in my lists directory. e.g. potato.lists.mydomain.org. If I use the exact MM3_LISTCHK value from readthedocs, I get 550 Unrouteable bounces. Here are some baffling lines from /var/log/exim4/mainlog from the incoming potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org email: 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r DKIM: d=nervous-org.20150623. gappssmtp.com s=20150623 c=relaxed/relaxed a=rsa-sha256 [verification succeeded] 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r <= redacted(a)nervous.org H= mail-qk0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170] P=esmtp S=2466 id= CABPy5zyQtJHXtCgrN37GHCUOjuo3J=DO_j0ZD03zm8gk+4shww(a)mail.gmail.com 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r => potato(a)lists.mydomain.org < potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org> R=mailman3_router T=mailman3_transport H=localhost [127.0.0.1] C="250 Ok" 2017-04-21 00:25:03 1d1MNj-0007OQ-5r Completed Why does it say `potato(a)lists.mydomain.org <potato-leave(a)lists.mydomain.org >`? I think this is actually an exim4 problem, so if the solution is to just switch to postfix, then I will definitely do that. But I'm just asking in case someone had a similar issue with exim4 and was able to work through it. Thanks a lot, Mark

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Memory footprint
by David Krantz April 19, 2017

April 19, 2017

Hi. Now running mailman 3 I am a bit surprised that the memory footprint is so large. I count to 13 processes with each a virtual space of 160-250MB and a reserved space of about 50MB each. Not much, but quite much to run on smaller cloud instances which generally have limited memory. This is (a lot) more than the corresponding postgres installation uses, Is this normal? regards // David

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Installing MM3 requires Django<1.11
by Henrik Rasmussen April 12, 2017

April 12, 2017

Two questions regarding Mailman 3 installation: 1) The Mail server setup at http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-a-mail-server isn't described yet. Instead it refers to https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.10/topics/email/#topic-email-backends, but it doesn't say which file I have to change. According to https://www.webforefront.com/django/setupdjangoemail.html the file is called settings.py, but the only settings.py I can find at this stage is the /opt/mailman/postorius/example_project/settings.py file. According to http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-and-run-postorius, "Postorius and HyperKitty both come with example_project directories with basic configuration so you can try them out. For this tutorial, however, we'll be using a project that combines both instead.". In what file should I change the mail settings then? 2) While installing Hyperkitty*) I got the error message "Django 1.11rc1 is installed but Django<1.11 is required by {'django-haystack'}". As I have slavishly followed the installation guide including http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-django-mailman3, I wonder why a non-supported Django version was installed. *) http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-and-run-hyperkitty Regards Henrik

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Dockerizing Wordpress with Nginx and PHP-FPM on Ubuntu 16.04
by ddw David Wilson April 12, 2017

April 12, 2017

Barry et al; Does the link below provide a model for a complete flexible integrated Docker based install package for Mailman3? Any other progress that might suggest an easier road to enlightenment? Best regards. Dave Wilson https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/dockerizing-wordpress-with-nginx-and-ph…

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Deploying mailman3 using containers
by Abhilash April 10, 2017

April 10, 2017

Hi All, I have been working for the past two weeks on trying to create a solution to easily deploy Mailman 3 in production. For those interested, you can find the instructions about how to use my work at http://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/. I have tried to document the process as much as possible. This is still a work in progress, but I have a working deployment[1] using these containers. I try to keep the deployment updated with the github repo, but there is no automated deploy happening there so sometimes it gets out of sync. While this is aimed to finally become a production ready method to deploy mailman 3, it is still not there. All I can say at this point is that it works. I have tried my best to document everything and I keep updating the documentation whenever I feel anything needs more clarity. I would love some feedback to improve the process or documentation. You can open issues on the github repo[2]. Currently, container images are built from the master branch of the gitlab repos and are thus not branded as stable. I am waiting for 3.1 release to add a stable tag to the images. [1]: https://mail.araj.me/ [2]: https://github.com/maxking/mailman -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Mailman 3 api php
by david.terni＠gmail.com March 27, 2017

March 27, 2017

Hi, I apologize if this is't the right place but I don't understand how connect mailman 3 with api and php/CURL. It's possibile to do it? I tried to use the same url used with mailman2 but doesn't work. Someone can help me? Thank's a lot

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How to set up mailman 3
by David Krantz March 26, 2017

March 26, 2017

Hi. I have tried and failed to set up mailman 3 using the mailman_bundle. I get the mailman3 server running correctly, but the problem is the extremely sensitive web user interface... Now when I found this mail list I understand that mailman bundle is depricated and that I must restart from scratch. Is this true? This annoys me quite a lot, can someone responsible within the project please mark the deprecated package as such? Almost none of the documentation is completely correct. It is useful but very incomplete. The mailman_bundle generated configuration examples for e.g. apache simply is wrong or incomplete. That said I got it running using http only, but when I switched to HTTPS the login simply ceased working. I use password+username as the other solution is quite complicated to get running. I could of course switch to e.g. google login, but that would require at least some documentation on how to do that. So, is there any documentation on how to use mailman 3? The error I get now is "Please enter a correct username and password. Note that both fields may be case-sensitive." I know that I enter the correct password as it worked before I added HTTPS. Sorry for the rant, but I am very annoyed by this. I just need a mail list server that works and thought it would be very neat to run mailman3 after running a hoste mailman2 for many years. Best regards // David

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Re: Mm3 - new adventure
by SP2L March 15, 2017

March 15, 2017

Hello Mark. On 14/03/17 18:29, Mark Sapiro wrote: > mailman-bundler is out of date and deprecated. You might find > <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998> of interest. I appreciate prompt response, indeed. Will follow your suggestion verbatim - thank you. I read this too: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/#documentation And yes, I ran: bin/mailman-post-update python manage.py migrate and some more. Best regards -- Tom - SP2L ------------------------------------ It is nice to be important. But it is more important to be nice!

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Mm3 - new adventure
by SP2L March 14, 2017

March 14, 2017

Greetings. I have up&running Mailman-2.1.23 on my web site. Lately started adventurous journey with Mailman3 which is way, way different already from the beginning. Used Mailman bundler to install GNU Mailman, Postorius and HyperKitty testing instance in virtual environment, mainly relaying on belows recipe: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-bundler/ Present status. Above trio and MySQLServer are "talking" to each other but because there isproper database on MySQLServer I am facing strange and unexpected issues, Hi! Executing last two commands: (venv)$ ./bin/mailman start (venv)$ ./bin/mailman-web-django-admin runserver 0.0.0.0:8000 & I see Postorius and HyperKitty up & runningbut... Belowvery condensed messages from the console: /HyperKitty/ DEBUG = False [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /archives/ HTTP/1.1" 200 8002 WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/smoothness/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.css WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/smoothness/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.css WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/css/cbbaa5c82a81.css WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/smoothness/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.css HTTP/1.1" 404 146 WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/icomoon/icomoon.css WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/css/cbbaa5c82a81.css WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/icomoon/icomoon.css WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css HTTP/1.1" 404 134 WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/CACHE/css/cbbaa5c82a81.css HTTP/1.1" 404 107 [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js HTTP/1.1" 404 134 [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/icomoon/icomoon.css HTTP/1.1" 404 116 [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js HTTP/1.1" 404 105 WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/img/logo.png WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/img/logo.png [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/img/logo.png HTTP/1.1" 404 104 WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js WARNING Not Found: /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js HTTP/1.1" 404 134 WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js WARNING Not Found: /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /static/CACHE/js/e6cc5c334937.js HTTP/1.1" 404 105 DEBUG = True [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /archives/ HTTP/1.1" 200 8762 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/bootstrap/javascripts/bootstrap.min.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery.expander.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/d3.v2.min.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery.hotkeys.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/js/hyperkitty-common.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/js/hyperkitty-index.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/js/hyperkitty-overview.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/js/hyperkitty-thread.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/js/hyperkitty-userprofile.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/icomoon/icomoon.css HTTP/1.1" 200 699 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/smoothness/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.css HTTP/1.1" 200 18334 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js HTTP/1.1" 200 58173 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/CACHE/css/hyperkitty.fe05f9db56f4.css HTTP/1.1" 200 196499 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/libs/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css HTTP/1.1" 200 17780 [12/Mar/2017 19:01:49] "GET /static/hyperkitty/img/logo.png HTTP/1.1" 200 21168 /mailman3/ DEBUG = False Server Error (500) DEBUG = True HTTP Error 500: A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator. Exception Location: /var/lib/mailman3/mailman-bundler/eggs/mailmanclient-1.0.1-py2.7.egg/mailmanclient/_client.py in call, line 109 Then VERY, verylong list... By means of PhpMyAdmin I created manually mailman3 database and few tables (looking at 0001_initial.py) , but it is not working O.K. This handmade table is not doing it's job. How I can export skeleton of Mm3 database to MySQLServer, please? How to solve Server Error (500)? Where to look first? Best regards. -- Tom - SP2L ------------------------------------ It is nice to be important. But it is more important to be nice!

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Domain in welcome message
by Jean-Luc Wasmer Feb. 20, 2017

Feb. 20, 2017

Hi, The welcome message contains the wrong URL ("example.com") for the list: Welcome to the "Test" mailing list! (...) If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://example.com/jean-luc.wasmer@domain.com ---------^^^^^^^^^^^ Cheers, Jean-Luc

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Mailman 3 Status Update Please?
by ddw David Wilson Feb. 1, 2017

Feb. 1, 2017

Barry et al; I have been eagerly looking forward to a comprehensive install script for Mailman3 since the originally stated target date of Aug Sept and wondered if any new dates have been proposed? Furthermore, I wonder if either of the two following projects have been proposed for Google Summer of Code applications: 1) the afore mentioned comprehensive install script for Mailman3 on various targeted hardware; and/or; 2) updated for Python 3 and the latest P3 compatible Django utilities for archiving and email list collection, along with any new appropriate features? Many thanks in advance for all your efforts in this extremely worthwhile OSS project. Best regards. Dave Wilson

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HTTP-500, create_http_method_map(resource, None, None) ?
by Sim Dec. 18, 2016

Dec. 18, 2016

Previously posted on mailman-users(a)python.org. But this seems to be a better place for it. ---------- Hello List, I was following the [mailman-bundler](https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-bundler/) installation instructions. After starting Django for the first time (before changes to the Postfix configuration and without any pre-existing lists) I received an HTTP-500 from http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.4/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 57, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 65, in __call__ environ, start_response) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/falcon/api.py", line 180, in __call__ responder, params, resource = self._get_responder(req) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 135, in _get_responder method_map = create_http_method_map(resource, None, None) TypeError: create_http_method_map() takes 1 positional argument but 3 were given ERROR Internal Server Error: /mailman3/ To make it work I changed In file venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py: method_map = create_http_method_map(resource, None, None) into method_map = create_http_method_map(resource) Is this a bug or should I have created an initial list from the command line (similar to Mailman 2) before accessing this page? Simon

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Mailman 3.1 beta coming soon
by Barry Warsaw Dec. 13, 2016

Dec. 13, 2016

Hello Mailman 3 users and developers! It's been a long slog but I think we are finally ready to begin the release process for Mailman 3.1. I am pretty happy about the state of the Core, and Florian is going to do some more integration testing with HyperKitty and Postorius. We still have a few issues and a merge proposal or two to address, but I am planning to spin a beta of Core this weekend to facilitate testing. Here is the Core's 3.1 milestone page: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/milestones/2 If your favorite issue or merge request isn't on that list, please do get in touch. Otherwise it will be deferred to 3.2. I'm also not entirely promising I'll get to all of these; I really want to release 3.1 in 2016 so if we run out of time, it will get deferred. Here's the project-wide list of 3.1 issues: https://gitlab.com/groups/mailman/issues?scope=all&state=opened&utf8=%E2%9C… and merge requests: https://gitlab.com/groups/mailman/merge_requests?scope=all&state=opened&utf… Except that HyperKitty isn't on this list. Please do test whatever you can and let us know how it goes. Cheers, -Barry _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers(a)python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/mark%40msapiro.n… Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Find a smtp server to send out emails
by Mark Sapiro Dec. 8, 2016

Dec. 8, 2016

On 12/07/2016 06:56 PM, Leon wrote: > This is tricky. I have to turn on the anonymous list, but it makes > subscribers cannot directly reply to sender. Or you can install the patch at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/215.diff> This will enable you to set from_is_list to FromIsList.munge_from which will set the From: header to the list address without anonymizing the post. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Docker files for mailman
by Simon Hanna Nov. 19, 2016

Nov. 19, 2016

Hi, I started working on docker files for Mailman. I created three repositories: - https://github.com/simonsmiley/postorius-docker Holds the files needed to create a postorius container - https://github.com/simonsmiley/mailman-docker Holds the files needed to create a core container - https://github.com/simonsmiley/mailman-compose Holds docker-compose files that greatly simply the process of running the containers * The mailman repo currently lacks documentation * Currently no emails can be sent. I still have to figure out what the best way is... * Hyperkitty will be added next (together with a complete "bundler" install) I pushed two images to the docker hub. Their names are thelinuxguy/postorius and thelinuxguy/mailman I created two organizations mailman on docker hub and gnu-mailman on github https://github.com/gnu-mailman https://hub.docker.com/u/mailman/ I know we shouldn't use github, but there is no way around github/bitbucket for automated builds on docker hub. I post here to inform you about the docker images and I also to ask if I'm allowed to keep these two organizations and move my images/repos there. I'll happily give push/owner access to additional people if requested. The repositories could be mirrored to the gitlab mailman group, sadly the process doesn't work the other way round just yet. In case this request gets denied, I'll just remove the organizations and let the images be "unofficial". cheers, Simon

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Mailman 3 Social Auth Configuration
by emonical＠misfitlabs.org Oct. 13, 2016

Oct. 13, 2016

Hello. I am a new Mailman 3 user and have just gotten an environment configured using the Mailman bundler. The setup is almost complete, but, there's still Persona authorization. I was reading the your setup here from (https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience) and was wondering if someone might have some insight as to how to remove the Persona log in to keep it locked down entirely to localized user registration.

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Email commands
by Jean-Luc Wasmer Sept. 22, 2016

Sept. 22, 2016

Hi, I wasn't able to find documentation about the currently support email commands for Mailman 3. The following command doesn't work for me (mailman bundler 3.0.0): subscribe address=$<$ADDRESS$>$ Will this be supported later on? Cheers, Jean-Luc

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lists.mailman3.org web site.
by Mark Sapiro Aug. 30, 2016

Aug. 30, 2016

I have just upgraded the lists.mailman3.org Mailman 3 installation to the heads of the GitLab mailman* branches. A major change is the switch from Persona to Django Allauth. This requires some configuration which isn't yet complete. Hopefully it will all be working very soon. In the mean time if you want to log in to Hyperkitty/Postorius you should be able to log in with your email address. The first time you do this, Mailman probably won't even know your password so you'll have to request a reset. Once you have reset your password, you should be able to log in. I hope to have several social auth choices working very soon. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Mailman 3 Installation Packaging
by ddw David Wilson Aug. 30, 2016

Aug. 30, 2016

Salutations; I understand that work is in progress to provide a convenient installation tool to facilitate getting the suite of requisite programs installed and working harmoniously with a minimum of hassle? I assume that involves some combination of containers and/or virtual environments to insulate and isolate issues and facilitate portability. In addition, it would entail Mailman 3, Hyperkitty, Posterius and also Django, etc. The database selection of PostgreSQL or other. Other optionals to be configured would be the email utilities such as Postfix, etc Personally, my server of choice would run Centos. I gather Mark Sapiro was working on this as well? *Is there sufficient progress to warrant believing that such a capability might exist in the 2016 August - September time frame as was suggested some time back? Or are there any revised time-frames? Or an approximate estimated road-map?* Best regards. Dave Wilson

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Mailman3 in AWS
by Andrew Hodgson Aug. 23, 2016

Aug. 23, 2016

Hi Guys, Just looking at options for running Mailman3 in AWS. Here are some thoughts: - DB backend can be done in AWS RDS using Amazon Aurora DB with MySQL driver, or PostgreSQL. - What files (if any) get stored on the web servers and updated dynamically? Has load balancing been done for the websites before? - Any issues with runner processes being ran on more than one machine talking to the same DB backend? Just some initial thoughts to stem discussion. Andrew.

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Broken paths
by Jean-Luc Wasmer Aug. 22, 2016

Aug. 22, 2016

Hi, Is there a way to change where mailman looks for files? I've run into many issues with the default config: - mailman is specifically calling Python 3.4, ignoring the fact that I have Python 3.5 - shell scripts expect bash to be at /bin/bash (mine is at /usr/local/bin/bash) - mailman expects postmap to be at /usr/sbin/postmap (mine is at /usr/local/sbin/postmap) Please CC me in your reply as I wasn't able to join this mailing list (I login by email, get the login.persona.org pop-up, click sign in, the pop-up closes... but I'm still not logged in). Cheers, Jean-Luc

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Issue with Held Messages
by Jean-Luc Wasmer Aug. 20, 2016

Aug. 20, 2016

Hi, No matter what action I set for member posts (Hold for moderator, Reject) they are always delivered. When I tried from a non-member email address, the message got held but when I try to see it I get a Server Error (500) page. The log files shows: ERROR 2016-08-18 01:04:30,231 base 21026 34722993152 Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/test.mydomain.com/held_messages Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.14-py2.7.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 132, in get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.14-py2.7.egg/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/postorius-1.0.3-py2.7.egg/postorius/views/generic.py", line 67, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.14-py2.7.egg/django/views/generic/base.py", line 89, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.14-py2.7.egg/django/utils/decorators.py", line 34, in _wrapper return bound_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/postorius-1.0.3-py2.7.egg/postorius/auth/decorators.py", line 81, in wrapper return fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.14-py2.7.egg/django/utils/decorators.py", line 30, in bound_func return func.__get__(self, type(self))(*args2, **kwargs2) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/postorius-1.0.3-py2.7.egg/postorius/views/list.py", line 387, in get held_messages = utils.paginate(request, self.mailing_list.held, 20) File "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/mailmanclient-1.0.1-py2.7.egg/mailmanclient/_client.py", line 443, in held moderation_reasons=entry['moderation_reasons'], KeyError: u'moderation_reasons' Cheers, Jean-Luc

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Does this get archive headers?
by Mark Sapiro Aug. 2, 2016

Aug. 2, 2016

Sorry for the noise. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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[MM3-users]Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman3 administration
by Mark Sapiro July 31, 2016

July 31, 2016

On 06/17/2016 12:16 PM, Bill wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for some information on Mailman3 administration. I've found > that it's not yet packaged by any of the common Linux distros - Debian, > Ubuntu, Mint, RedHat, Centos, Fedora, Suse, Arch etc so I have some > concerns about the amount of upkeep that running Mailman3 will entail. > > I know that Mailman2 is available as a package on the above distros, but > we would really like to take advantage of the kludge-free, virtual > domains feature on Mailman3. > > I've been asked by a local non-profit provider to assist them in moving > their 200+ mailing lists from an outdated Sympa list server to > Debian8/Postfix/Mailman. One of their chief concerns is the amount of > extra administration, over and above normal list administration, that > Mailman3 will require in the form of manual updates and maintenance. > > We are in the evaluation and design stage right now, but could use any > pertinent advice about supportive distros, available packages, the > amount of extra administration involved or perhaps, in a worst case > scenario, alternate list managers supporting a virtual domains feature > similar to Mailman3. > > Thanks for your help, > > Bill McGrath > President, Vancouver Linux Users Group > https://vanlug.bc.ca I've copied this post and set Reply-To: to the Mailman 3 users list <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>. Please join at <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users@mailman3.org/> before replying there. That said, we are working on packaging for a more turn-key installation, but we aren't there yet. I've installed a couple of instances including the one at lists.mailman3.org, and it does require extra work. Some of the work in my case is because I want to run all the Mailman pieces from the heads of their branches rather than what's in PyPI, but even without that, installation is significantly more work than installing a distro's package. I will be writing up my experiences, but that's not done yet either. I will say that once you have Mailman 3 installed and running, updating (which I do frequently, but which doesn't need to be done unless you want specific updates/fixes) is pretty easy. As far as alternatives are concerned There is an up to date Mailman 2.1 branch with better virtual domain support at <https://code.launchpad.net/~msapiro/mailman/vhost>, but I think in the long run, you'd be better off with Mailman 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Countdown to the 3.1 release
by Barry Warsaw July 13, 2016

July 13, 2016

Previously I mentioned the three big outstanding branches that I'd like to land for Mailman 3.1 Core, the templates branch, the MySQL support branch, and the unsubscription workflow branch. I've now also gone through all the bugs previously targeted to milestone 3.1, and there are only three left: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/milestones/2 I think these are important enough to fix for 3.1 and I welcome merge requests while the other three branches are ongoing. Please take a look at any other bugs not assigned to milestone 3.1 and let me know if you think any are serious enough to block the 3.1 release. I'll say in advance that I'm going to be brutal in assessing them, because 3.1 really needs to be released soon! Note too that there may be blockers for Postorius, Hyperkitty, and mailman.client, but I haven't looked at those subprojects yet. How close are they to being release ready? Cheers, -Barry

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Templates branch for Mailman 3.1
by Barry Warsaw July 11, 2016

July 11, 2016

Hello developers! There are three big features still in progress for Mailman 3.1, the templates branch, MySQL support, and unsubscription workflow. There is already a merge request for MySQL support and I'm hoping to merge that soon. Abhilash is also working on the unsubscription workflow feature but there's no MR for that yet. The templates feature is very nearly done, so I think now is a good time to ask for testing, feedback, and review. This is a generalization of the welcome_message_uri feature in MM3.0 where you could specify e.g. the welcome message as a URL to download and cache when necessary. This is important because Core doesn't know whether there is even a web ui (e.g. Postorius) involved, or where things like clickable links to unsubscribe would be. Sites also want to customize footers to include information like codes of conduct, etc. Now (or when this branch lands), you will be able to specify a URL to retrieve any template that Mailman uses internally, whether they are confirmation messages, bounce probes, welcome and goodbye messages, etc. These can be templates for administrators, users, and members. Because I'm hoping to get some reviews, I'll point you at the documentation for more details: https://gitlab.com/warsaw/mailman/blob/templates/src/mailman/rest/docs/temp… The branch did end up being much bigger and tentacled than I expected, but it's all hanging together pretty well now, and all the tests pass. There's still a small number of to-dos, but some of them will get punted, and the others won't have a major effect on the overall use and visibility of the feature. https://gitlab.com/warsaw/mailman/blob/templates/TODO.rst Note also that if you interact with the REST API v3.0, nothing changes externally, but the old IMailingList attributes are mapped onto the new templates mechanism. API v3.1 is where you see all the actual new feature end-points exposed. Of course, any MM2 list converted to MM3.1 will use the new templates stuff too. Feedback very much welcome, either here or on the MR: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/170 I'd like to land this some time in the next week or so. Then I'll work on the other two big branches and start to release some betas. Cheers, -Barry

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[MM3-users]Installation documentation.
by Mark Sapiro July 5, 2016

July 5, 2016

I have now done production installations of Mailman 3 on this server (lists.mailman3.org) and mail.python.org. I've attempted to document this experience at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998>. Suggestions for improvement and/or direct edits on the wiki are welcome. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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