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Sibling lists in Mailman3
by Markus Grandpre April 10, 2024

April 10, 2024

Dear list, after I migrated a list from Mailman21 to Mailman3 I missed the Mailman21 setting "regular_include_lists" (or something similar) in Mailman3. How are sibling lists treated in Mailman3? Thank you in advance for your answers. Best Markus -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Requesting help with a turnkey mailman installation
by biobee7＠gmail.com April 7, 2024

April 7, 2024

Hello Everyone! If you can install mailman turnkey on my server - email me biobee7(a)gmail.com

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Warning on EL8: django-mailman 1.3.12 prefers Django 4.2 which requires Maria DB>10.4
by Jered Floyd April 4, 2024

April 4, 2024

A heads-up for anyone else on RHEL 8, because the error is mystifying. django-mailman 1.3.12 bumps the preferred django version from 4.1 to 4.2. Django 4.2 requires MariaDB 10.4 or later. RHEL 8 has full lifecycle support for MariaDB 10.3. For some reason I haven't yet been able to identify, this causes pyMySQL integrations to fail with the mysterious error: django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: mysqlclient 1.4.3 or newer is required; you have 1.4.6. (Yes, Database.version_info contains "(1, 4, 2, 'final', 0)" while Database.version contains "1.4.6" and I am totally stumped where that 1.4.2 is coming from as it appears... nowhere.) Bypassing that error check gives the more informative: django.db.utils.NotSupportedError: MariaDB 10.4 or later is required (found 10.3.39). Doing a pip install with django\<4.2 works. This is not ideal since 4.1 is past LTS, so I would recommend that Mailman systems be migrated to RHEL 9. --Jered

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Question: What happens if I delete a user from all lists and that user is sole owner of some list?
by David Partain April 3, 2024

April 3, 2024

Hi, One of the great things about our new installation compared with our old is the ability to manage users via https://our.wee.domain/postorius/users I might have been able to manage them using the command line on the old installation, but there is no 'mailman delmembers' on that box. Since I now have this Mighty Power, I want to use it to clean up. There are many users who should no longer be on the system, so I want to run something along the lines of: mailman delmembers --member some(a)email.address --fromall \ --no-goodbye-msg --no-admin-notify or, if I'm feeling brave, something like this. mailman delmembers --file somefile --fromall \ --no-goodbye-msg --no-admin-notify My question is: If one of these users is the sole owner of a list, what will happen? Will the user be deleted and that list now owner-less? Will mailman refuse to delete that user until I add a new owner? Thanks in advance for your feedback. Cheers, David

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Help with mailman2 to mailman3 archive migration
by francisco.lopezayuso＠sib.swiss April 2, 2024

April 2, 2024

Hello all, I'm having some issues with a migration I'm performing right now from our old mailman2 server to a mailman3 one. The mailing lists imports work fine, but the archives seems to work sometimes: This means that some lists archives appear but others are missing when browsing the archives in the web UI. This happens despite the command line telling me that the import went fine. Here are the steps I run for the archives: # Copy the archives into the my new server # Cleaning old archives, where $LIST is my mailing list name $ /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/contrib/check_hk_import /opt/mailman3/archives/private/"$LIST".mbox/"$LIST".mbox $ /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/contrib/cleanarch3 /opt/mailman3/archives/private/"$LIST".mbox/"$LIST ".mbox # Importing the archives $ mailman-web hyperkitty_import -l "$LIST(a)my.domain.com" /opt/mailman3/archives/private/"$LIST".mbox/"$LIST".mbox # Indexing the new archive $ mailman-web update_index_one_list "$LIST(a)my.domain.com" Here is also an example log of an archive I'm migrating that does not appear in the UI, for reference (list and domain were renamed for privacy): $ mailman-web hyperkitty_import -l my_list(a)domain.com --since=1900-01-01 /opt/mailman3/archives/private/my_list.mbox/my_list.mbox Importing from mbox file /opt/mailman3/archives/private/my_list.mbox/my_list.mbox to my_list(a)domain.com Computing thread structure Synchronizing properties with Mailman Adding admin as owner of MailingList: my_list.lists.domain.com 2070 emails left to refresh, checked 1000 2070 emails left to refresh, checked 2000 Warming up cache The full-text search index is not updated for this list. It will not be updated by the 'minutely' incremental update job. To update the index for this list, run the Django admin command with arguments 'update_index_one_list my_list(a)domain.com'. $ mailman-web update_index_one_list my_list(a)domain.com Indexing 22 emails Any help would be greatly appreciated, I'm very lost here... Cheers,

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Mailman stops processing....... where to start looking for root cause?
by bob B April 2, 2024

April 2, 2024

Today was the 2nd time mailman stopped sending out mail, it receives mail but sends nothing out. To resolve the issue I restarted the mailman services and then all the incoming/queued mail was sent out... last time this happened was 21 days ago.... Before that, it has been rock solid for years. We are running in a docker environment with no recent changes. On the host in /var/log/maillog, I see the mail coming in and going to mailman in docker. for docker, the mailman logs are in /opt/mailman/core/var/logs in /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/smtp.log ---------- I see the messages coming in /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/debug.log ------------ is empty /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/mailman.log -------------- I do not see anything that looks like it had an issue So where can I look to try to determine a cause? If it happens again, what and where can I cook to troubleshoot before restarting the service? Thanks

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Seeking help completing a useful installation
by Hugh Esco March 30, 2024

March 30, 2024

I have more fully documented where I am at with this attempt to build a working installation of mm3 at this link: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/73 My questions include: - the template for /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg, defines vardir, but no DATA_DIR. See test failure #1 (closed) <http:///mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/1>, above. Where does that want to be? Any issue with putting the mm3.db next to the mm3_web.db at /opt/mailman/mm/var/data? - there are two possible virtualenv's in my build: (a) /opt/mailman/venv/ and (b) /opt/mailman/.pyenv/. I say more about these below. Which do I want to use in this instance? I'm guessing the latter where the mailman3 libraries are published, but have doubts. The link above urges a dependency on python ^3.11, but bookworm provides only python 3.8, so I used pyenv to satisfy the requirement. It wanted to deploy to its own path, though perhaps there is some switch which would consolidate everything under /opt/mailman/venv/. I do not work with python enough to know. - attempts to run bin/mailman-web startapp mm3web fail to add any new processes to the process list. bin/mailman-web start fails with errors. What change of state to the server should I expect from running this command? How do I test for success? If startapp is the correct invocation, what argument does it want on a working installation? - having run the command in the previous point, I see nothing in the browser except for the apache starter page at the root path '/'. None of the paths defined in the apache2 configuration seem to offer any joy. I assume that uwsgi wants to proxy the requests to a running mailman-web service somehow, but that no such service is found. I see one hopeful line in the log at: /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log "GET /3.1/lists?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" - I assume that once I get apache2 wired to a running application through the uwsgi proxy, that I can proceed to create an admin user, use it to explore the web gui, and begin to consider how to migrate my legacy mm2.1 lists into the new installation. Any further help crossing the finish line would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Hugh

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Disabling the footer on a mailing list: Is this how?
by David Partain March 28, 2024

March 28, 2024

Hi, I regularly get requests from users to disable footers since they use email clients that simply show an attached text file. Yes, I know that's broken. I never got this working with my old broken installation. Since we're now running a shiny new version of mailman3, I thought I'd give it a go again. From what I've read, I thought the following would do the trick: # sudo -u mailman -s /usr/bin/bash $ source /local/mailman/venv/bin/activate $ cd ~/var/templates/ $ mkdir -p lists/test-list.our.domain/en/ $ cp /dev/null "lists/test-list.our.wee.domain/en/list:member:regular:footer" However, sending mail to test-list(a)our.wee.domain<mailto:test-list@our.wee.domain> still includes the footer. What am I missing? Do I need to restart something? Did I misunderstand what I've read? With kind regards, David

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See list of subscribers
by Tom Yates March 27, 2024

March 27, 2024

I'm sure I'm just doing something stupid, but I can't work out what. I have a list, as admin under "Settings" -> "List Identity" -> "Members List Visibility" I have it set to "Only Mailinglist Members". But a random subscriber, who's signed up and authenticated, when she visits the list page she sees her subscription, but no option to list the other subscribers. Is she looking in the wrong place? Do I need to open up more settings? Am I just being an idiot? Thanks for any light anyone can shed. -- Tom Yates - https://www.teaparty.net

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Hyperkitty on Debian 12
by Markus Grandpre March 27, 2024

March 27, 2024

Dear list members, when following the instructions to migrate list archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3 (see [1]), I face the following problem: # python3 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l mailman21-migration-test-04 /var/mailman21/testlist.mbox python3: can't open file '/var/mailman21/manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory and have no clue, where to find the right <manage.py> file. The command dpkg returns: # dpkg -l | grep hyperkitty ii python3-django-hyperkitty 1.3.7-1 all Web user interface to access GNU Mailman3 archives In </etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py> I find: INSTALLED_APPS = ( 'hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', ... Can you please help me? Thank you in advance? Best, Markus [1] <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html> -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Topics - Tags
by Mark March 27, 2024

March 27, 2024

Hi, I'm reading the docs on "Message tagging" (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/d…) as saying shell access is needed to: (a) enable topics, and (b) write the keywords. In Mailman 2 there is an Admin web UI for "Topics". Is there such a web UI that can be enabled in Mailman 3 so that the list owners can create topics (tags) in their lists? Thanks.

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Deleting messages from HyperKitty archive
by Mark March 25, 2024

March 25, 2024

Hi, I'm running Mailman 3.3.9 with HyperKitty version 1.3.8 (venv installed as per the docs). As superuser (listmaster) I can "Delete message/thread" and "Delete archive". These options aren't there for the list owners. The docs (link below) say that in the newer HyperKitty version 1.3.9, list owners can delete messages/threads Is there a patch I can implement on HyperKitty version 1.3.8 (so list owners can delete messages), or is it possible to update HyperKitty to version 1.3.9 without bringing everything crashing down? *** https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html 1.3.9 (2024-02-27) List owners can now delete messages and threads and reattach threads. (Fixes #261) *** Thanks, Mark

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Issue converting table charset to utf8mb4 on mysql
by Helio Loureiro March 24, 2024

March 24, 2024

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How to fix lists with characters errors?
by Helio Loureiro March 24, 2024

March 24, 2024

Hi, I just found several lists have the issue like this regarding charset: (venv) mailman@new-mailman3 ~ (v3.1.1)> mailman members listas-charset-issue(a)mailman.domain.com anders(a)domain.com beth(a)domain.com charlie(a)domain.com david(a)domain.com ellen(a)domain.com Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.9', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1078, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1688, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1434, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 783, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 33, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_members.py", line 222, in members display_members(ctx, mlist, role, regular, File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_members.py", line 109, in display_members print(f'{address.display_name} <{address.original_email}>', UnicodeEncodeError: 'latin-1' codec can't encode character '\u0142' in position 9: ordinal not in range(256) Since this service is running since time of python2, I guess the old lists handled accented characters was to save as latin-1. But how can I fix this now? Note: apparently the list remains working just fine. It is just the command line failing. And perhaps some other side effect. Best Regards, Helio Loureiro https://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro

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Badsignature on uwsgi-error.log
by Helio Loureiro March 22, 2024

March 22, 2024

Hi, I keep receiving a lot of errors like this: --- Logging error --- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 356, in pusher task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1]) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 25, in loads return signing.loads( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 35, in loads base64d = force_bytes(TimestampSigner(key, salt=salt).unsign(s, max_age=max_age)) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 70, in unsign result = super(TimestampSigner, self).unsign(value) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 55, in unsign raise BadSignature('Signature "%s" does not match' % sig) django.core.signing.BadSignature: Signature "F6V0Dr_SvBsx5-cY8vcvLXrX8tA" does not match During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 1100, in emit msg = self.format(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 943, in format return fmt.format(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 678, in format record.message = record.getMessage() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 368, in getMessage msg = msg % self.args TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting Call stack: File "/local/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 90, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 402, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 448, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/management/commands/qcluster.py", line 22, in handle q.start() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 78, in start self.sentinel.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 121, in start self._popen = self._Popen(self) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 224, in _Popen return _default_context.get_context().Process._Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 281, in _Popen return Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 19, in __init__ self._launch(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 71, in _launch code = process_obj._bootstrap(parent_sentinel=child_r) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 314, in _bootstrap self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 108, in run self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 168, in __init__ self.start() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 172, in start self.spawn_cluster() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 248, in spawn_cluster self.pusher = self.spawn_pusher() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 201, in spawn_pusher return self.spawn_process(pusher, self.task_queue, self.event_out, self.broker) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 197, in spawn_process p.start() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 121, in start self._popen = self._Popen(self) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 224, in _Popen return _default_context.get_context().Process._Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 281, in _Popen return Popen(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 19, in __init__ self._launch(process_obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 71, in _launch code = process_obj._bootstrap(parent_sentinel=child_r) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 314, in _bootstrap self.run() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 108, in run self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 358, in pusher logger.error(e, traceback.format_exc()) Message: BadSignature('Signature "F6V0Dr_SvBsx5-cY8vcvLXrX8tA" does not match') Arguments: ('Traceback (most recent call last):\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 356, in pusher\n task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1])\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 25, in loads\n return signing.loads(\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 35, in loads\n base64d = force_bytes(TimestampSigner(key, salt=salt).unsign(s, max_age=max_age))\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 70, in unsign\n result = super(TimestampSigner, self).unsign(value)\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 55, in unsign\n raise BadSignature(\'Signature "%s" does not match\' % sig)\ndjango.core.signing.BadSignature: Signature "F6V0Dr_SvBsx5-cY8vcvLXrX8tA" does not match\n',) The api_key on mailman-hypperkitty.cfg, SECRET_KEY and MAILMAN_ARCHIVE_KEY on setting.py are the same. Any clue what could be the issue? And this is on the latest mailman. > pip freeze aiosmtpd==1.4.4.post2 alembic==1.13.1 arrow==1.3.0 asgiref==3.7.2 atpublic==4.0 attrs==23.2.0 authheaders==0.16.2 authres==1.2.0 blessed==1.20.0 certifi==2024.2.2 cffi==1.16.0 charset-normalizer==3.3.2 click==8.1.7 cmarkgfm==2024.1.14 cryptography==42.0.3 defusedxml==0.7.1 Django==4.1.13 django-allauth==0.61.1 django-appconf==1.0.6 django-compressor==4.4 django-extensions==3.2.3 django-gravatar2==1.4.4 django-haystack==3.2.1 django-mailman3==1.3.11 django-picklefield==3.1 django-q==1.3.9 djangorestframework==3.14.0 dkimpy==1.1.5 dnspython==2.5.0 docutils==0.20.1 falcon==3.1.3 flufl.bounce==4.0 flufl.i18n==5.0.2 flufl.lock==8.0.2 greenlet==3.0.3 gunicorn==21.2.0 HyperKitty==1.3.8 idna==3.6 lazr.config==3.0 lazr.delegates==2.1.0 mailman==3.3.9 mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1 mailman-web==0.0.8 mailmanclient==3.3.5 Mako==1.3.2 MarkupSafe==2.1.5 mistune==2.0.5 mysql==0.0.3 mysqlclient==2.2.4 networkx==3.2.1 nh3==0.2.15 oauthlib==3.2.2 packaging==23.2 passlib==1.7.4 postorius==1.3.10 psutil==5.9.8 publicsuffix2==2.20191221 pycparser==2.21 Pygments==2.17.2 PyJWT==2.8.0 PyMySQL==1.1.0 python-dateutil==2.8.2 python3-openid==3.2.0 pytz==2024.1 rcssmin==1.1.1 readme-renderer==42.0 redis==3.5.3 requests==2.31.0 requests-oauthlib==1.3.1 rjsmin==1.2.1 robot-detection==0.4 six==1.16.0 SQLAlchemy==2.0.27 sqlparse==0.4.4 types-python-dateutil==2.8.19.20240106 typing_extensions==4.9.0 urllib3==2.2.0 uWSGI==2.0.24 wcwidth==0.2.13 Whoosh==2.7.4 xapian @ file:///local/mailman/xapian-1.4.23-cp310-cp310-linux_x86_64.whl zope.component==6.0 zope.configuration==5.0.1 zope.event==5.0 zope.hookable==6.0 zope.i18nmessageid==6.1.0 zope.interface==6.2 zope.schema==7.0.1 Best Regards, Helio Loureiro https://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro

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need help to migrate from Mailman2 to Mailman3 (french if possible)
by pascalleval＠yahoo.fr March 22, 2024

March 22, 2024

Hello everybody, I'm trying to migrate my mailing lists on Debian 11 server from Mailman2 to Mailman3, and I'm having difficulties ! Mailman3 is already functional, but I could not configurate Postfix for this. Is there anyone speaking french that could help me ? Thanks in advance.

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ValueError: The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples.
by David Partain March 21, 2024

March 21, 2024

Greetings, We're trying to move from an ancient and bad Ubuntu-package based installation of mailman3 to a venv-based do-it-the-right-way installation. # mailman --version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Things seem much better than past migration attempts. We are, though, seeing tons of errors in uwsgi-error.log that look like this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/wsgi.py", line 131, in __call__ response = self.get_response(request) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 140, in get_response response = self._middleware_chain(request) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 58, in inner response = response_for_exception(request, exc) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 144, in response_for_exception log_response( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/log.py", line 241, in log_response getattr(logger, level)( File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 1506, in error self._log(ERROR, msg, args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 1624, in _log self.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 1634, in handle self.callHandlers(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 1696, in callHandlers hdlr.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 968, in handle self.emit(record) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/log.py", line 128, in emit self.send_mail(subject, message, fail_silently=True, html_message=html_message) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/utils/log.py", line 131, in send_mail mail.mail_admins( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/mail/__init__.py", line 124, in mail_admins raise ValueError("The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples.") ValueError: The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples. Our ADMINS setting in /etc/mailman3/settings.py has ADMINS = ( ('Mailman Suite Admin', 'someone(a)our.domain', 'someoneelse(a)our.domain'), ) Can someone point me in a direction to correct this? Thanks in advance. David

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mailman3 3.2.2 python3.8 problem on focal
by Thomas Stein March 21, 2024

March 21, 2024

Hello list! I saw a few posts regarding the "Uncaught runner exception: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock'" problem but no solution to that. It seems this issue sneaked in at some point. I was getting aware of it when suddenly notifications to non-member posts did not work anymore. Everything else seems still to work. So, what is the prefered solution here? Is it possible to "repair" focal? There is python2.7, python3.6 and python3.8 installed currently. Or do I need to switch to a supported distribution like debian something? Wait for ubuntu 24.04? Any hints are really appreciated. cheers! t.

2 3

SpamAssassin and clamav?
by Marisa Giancarla March 16, 2024

March 16, 2024

Is there a way to have mm3 use SpamAssassin and/or clamav? Marisa

3 3

How to disable global templates for all lists
by christopher.claus＠tgcamberg1848.de March 14, 2024

March 14, 2024

Hallo togeher, I´m using the docker version from maxking and mailman core-version 3.3.9. I was wondering why there were messages in the list with "non-configured" footers. I found the files > mailman-core:/opt/mailman# find / -name "*list:member:*" /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/de/list:member:digest:masthead.txt /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/ca/list:member:generic:footer.txt /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/ca/list:member:digest:masthead.txt /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/nl/list:member:generic:footer.txt but I found no option to disable them. How can I disable these global list-configuration? Best regards, chrclaus

3 2

outgoing messages not sent in a busy loop
by Igor Serebryany March 13, 2024

March 13, 2024

incoming messages are showing up in hyperkitty but not going out as emails to list members. i've tried enabling the following debug logging: format: %(asctime)s (%(process)d) %(message)s datefmt: %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y propagate: no level: info path: mailman.log [logging.smtp] level: DEBUG [logging.smtp-failure] level: DEBUG [logging.runner] level: DEBUG [logging.debug] level: debug [logging.smtp-failure] level: debug with these options, if i run `tail -f *` in the `log` directory of mailman, i get the following in essentially a busy loop: ``` ==> smtp.log <== Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) Using agent: <mailman.mta.bulk.BulkDelivery object at 0x7fef1c9ad050> ==> debug.log <== Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (17) [NNTPRunner] starting oneloop Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (17) [NNTPRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] finishing filebase: 1710356926.1738262+0a50dc0e393ba4de10bcdadb5376d4330f670c77 Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] doing periodic Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] committing transaction Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] checking short circuit Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1710356926.2733445+d044aeb93be86fbf662b6e0feffc89d0f2e4eb66 Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefile Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7fef1cda27a0>: <CADJyiOV1RAth=3CkNoHJ1qTVzedzX8BG0k6iwe019jXau30pLw(a)mail.gmail.com> ==> smtp.log <== Mar 13 19:08:46 2024 (18) Using agent: <mailman.mta.bulk.BulkDelivery object at 0x7fef1cb0f390> ``` which doesn't give me a lot to go on. anyone know what could be causing this or any way to get additional debug information?

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Hyperkitty tracebacks: possible DB corruption?
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au March 13, 2024

March 13, 2024

Hi Folks, Just recently I've started seeing backtraces from Django when trying to view old threads in hyperkitty. They say that more than one LastView is being returned, and at a later date cannot delete a LastView. I'm using the Debian-packaged hyperkitty and postorius, but this code hasn't changed from upstream. The backtraces come when a logged in used revisits a thread. So I see: Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/devel(a)sel4.systems/thread/XP2GFYGXOXBC3QBKKZQLZ6STSHQHK6K2/ MultipleObjectsReturned at /hyperkitty/list/devel(a)sel4.systems/thread/XP2GFYGXOXBC3QBKKZQLZ6STSHQHK6K2/ get() returned more than one LastView -- it returned 2! Then later on I see: LastView.objects.delete(pk=del_id) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AttributeError: 'Manager' object has no attribute 'delete' Here are the backtraces: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 47, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 137, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/thread.py", line 162, in thread_index last_view_obj, created = LastView.objects.get_or_create( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 581, in get_or_create return self.get(**kwargs), False File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 439, in get raise self.model.MultipleObjectsReturned( and Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/devel(a)sel4.systems/2022/1/ AttributeError at /hyperkitty/list/devel(a)sel4.systems/2022/1/ 'Manager' object has no attribute 'delete' Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 47, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 137, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 127, in archives return _thread_list(request, mlist, threads, extra_context=extra_context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 173, in _thread_list LastView.objects.delete(pk=del_id)

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localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime
by Freerk Bosscha March 12, 2024

March 12, 2024

Since yesterday I get the following error-message when I go to the webinterface: ValueError at /admin/login/ localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mailman.pgtrynwalden.nl/mailman3/admin/login/?next=/mailman3/admin/ Django Version: 2.2.28 Exception Type: ValueError Exception Value: localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime Exception Location: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/timezone.py in localtime, line 207 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.9/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3.9/dist-packages'] Server time: vr, 1 Mrt 2024 11:52:50 +0100 Mailman info: mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: mysql+pymysql://mailman3:xxxxxxx If this issue was posted before, i'm sorry, i haven't found it: Any ideas how to solve this issue would be appreciated Environment: Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mailman.pgtrynwalden.nl/mailman3/admin/login/?next=/mailman3/admin/ Django Version: 2.2.28 Python Version: 3.9.2 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 35. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 145. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 143. response = response.render() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/response.py" in render 106. self.content = self.rendered_content File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/response.py" in rendered_content 83. content = template.render(context, self._request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/backends/django.py" in render 61. return self.template.render(context) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 169. with context.bind_template(self): File "/usr/lib/python3.9/contextlib.py" in __enter__ 117. return next(self.gen) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/template/context.py" in bind_template 246. updates.update(processor(self.request)) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/context_processors.py" in postorius 38. mailman_day=(timezone.localtime(timezone.now()).day == MAILMAN_DAY), File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/utils/timezone.py" in localtime 207. raise ValueError("localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime") Exception Type: ValueError at /admin/login/ Exception Value: localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime

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Messages hold for moderation - compared to mailman2 it appears that there are fewer options: missing option(?)
by Wikinaut March 8, 2024

March 8, 2024

Hello, I miss sadly the option of both: i) discarding the current message of a sender (not member of a closed list) ; and in the same action ii) adding this person to the whitelist, i.e. accept further mails from this sender. How can this be achieved?

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Help on Gitlab
by Mark Sapiro March 8, 2024

March 8, 2024

Plese keep the thread on the list. On 3/8/24 6:36 AM, Daniel Azubuine wrote: > Sir, I get this error > /home/daniel/Documents/repos/mailman/mailman/.tox/qa/bin/python: can't > open file '/home/daniel/Documents/repos/mailman/mailman/setup.py': > [Errno 2] No such file or directory > ERROR: invocation failed (exit code 2)/ > _______________________________________________ summary > ________________________________________________ > ERROR: qa: InvocationError for command > /home/daniel/Documents/repos/mailman/mailman/.tox/qa/bin/python > /home/daniel/Documents/repos/mailman/mailman/setup.py --name (exited > with code 2) > when i run tox -e qa. What is your tox version (tox --version)? You shouldn't need this, but adding ``` skipdist = True ``` in the [tox] section of tox.ini may help. > I also get this when i run tox -e py310-diffcov > ------------- > src/mailman/interfaces/listmanager.py (75.0%): Missing lines 37 > ------------- > Total: 4 lines > Missing: 1 line > Coverage: 75% > ------------- > > ERROR: InvocationError for command > /home/daniel/Documents/repos/mailman/mailman/.tox/py310-diffcov/bin/diff-cover coverage.xml --fail-under=100 --compare-branch origin/master (exited with code 1) This is expected output in this case. Line 37 in your src/mailman/interfaces/listmanager.py is not covered by any tests. Modifying the test_cannot_create_a_list_twice test in src/mailman/model/tests/test_listmanager.py to use assertRaisesRegex rather than assertRaises may help. See <https://docs.python.org/3/library/unittest.html#unittest.TestCase.assertRai…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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mm3 installation question
by advorkin＠cs.princeton.edu March 7, 2024

March 7, 2024

Hello, everyone. I just completed the initial installation by following the instructions: https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-install I went with the apache/uswgi configuration. The site is up and running, but if I click Postorius, it gets redirected to https://mysite.com/postorius/lists and I get not found error message. The same goes for Lists and Archives. What did I do wrong? I've found some discussions online, but they seem to be related to a different installation, thus my confusion. Thank you!

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mass unsubscribe/subscribe
by ronn.ramirez＠pge.com March 6, 2024

March 6, 2024

Hi Mailman Admins, Whenever we mass subscribe or unsubscribe more than 500+ users, we would get a "500-internal-server-error" or a timeout. Is there something we can tweak or increase to way to increase this threshold?

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export/import list?
by Dave McGuire March 1, 2024

March 1, 2024

I'm migrating to a new Mailman3 instance, finally escaping a fairly old (3.1.1) and problematic distribution repo install on a Linux VM and moving to a venv install in a native SmartOS Zone. I've gotten everything running well and integrated with our (fairly complex) mail server. I'd like to begin migration of the lists on the old mm3 instance. Is there a way to export a list from one Mailman 3 instance and import it into another, on a different machine? Ideally some way to capture its settings, members, members' settings, etc? Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Migration from old server to new server failed
by Helio Loureiro March 1, 2024

March 1, 2024

Hi, So we tried to the migration following the steps: - stop mailman in the old machine (v3.1.1 from ubuntu packages) - dump DB mailman3 and mailman3web - backup /var/lib/mailman3 content On the new machine: - checkout from git the version 3.1.1 to match production and install the services - stop mailman3 and mailman3-web on the new machine - load DBs into new machine - copy content from /var/lib/mailman3 into /local/mailman/var (which means: archives/ cache/ data/ ext/ lists/ locks/ messages/ public_suffix_list.dat queue/ templates/ web/) - start mailman3 and mailman-3web - run mailman3-web migrate And I stopped here. Because it crashed. (venv) mailman@new-mailman3-server ~ (v3.1.1) [0|SIGINT]> mailman-web migrate System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: account.EmailAddress: (models.W036) MariaDB does not support unique constraints with conditions. HINT: A constraint won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. account.EmailAddress: (models.W043) MariaDB does not support indexes on expressions. HINT: An index won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: Applying account.0003_alter_emailaddress_create_unique_verified_email... OK Applying account.0004_alter_emailaddress_drop_unique_email... OK Applying account.0005_emailaddress_idx_upper_email... OK Applying admin.0003_logentry_add_action_flag_choices... OK Applying auth.0009_alter_user_last_name_max_length... OK Applying auth.0010_alter_group_name_max_length... OK Applying auth.0011_update_proxy_permissions... OK Applying auth.0012_alter_user_first_name_max_length... OK Applying django_mailman3.0003_sessions... OK Applying django_q.0010_auto_20200610_0856... OK Applying django_q.0011_auto_20200628_1055... OK Applying django_q.0012_auto_20200702_1608... OK Applying django_q.0013_task_attempt_count... OK Applying django_q.0014_schedule_cluster... OK Applying hyperkitty.0016_auto_20180309_0056... OK Applying hyperkitty.0017_file_attachments... OK Applying hyperkitty.0018_threadcategory_color... OK Applying hyperkitty.0019_auto_20190127_null_description... OK Applying hyperkitty.0020_auto_20190907_1927... OK Applying hyperkitty.0021_add_owners_mods...Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 87, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 75, in execute return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 179, in execute res = self._query(mogrified_query) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 330, in _query db.query(q) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 261, in query _mysql.connection.query(self, query) MySQLdb.OperationalError: (1050, "Table 'hyperkitty_mailinglist_moderators' already exists") The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 90, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 402, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 448, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 96, in wrapped res = handle_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/commands/migrate.py", line 349, in handle post_migrate_state = executor.migrate( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 135, in migrate state = self._migrate_all_forwards( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 167, in _migrate_all_forwards state = self.apply_migration( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 252, in apply_migration state = migration.apply(state, schema_editor) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/migration.py", line 130, in apply operation.database_forwards( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/operations/fields.py", line 108, in database_forwards schema_editor.add_field( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/schema.py", line 104, in add_field super().add_field(model, field) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 636, in add_field return self.create_model(field.remote_field.through) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 447, in create_model self.execute(sql, params or None) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 199, in execute cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 67, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 80, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute with self.db.wrap_database_errors: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 91, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 87, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 75, in execute return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 179, in execute res = self._query(mogrified_query) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 330, in _query db.query(q) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 261, in query _mysql.connection.query(self, query) django.db.utils.OperationalError: (1050, "Table 'hyperkitty_mailinglist_moderators' already exists") I tried to drop the table, but then it complained about another one. I dropped all the complained tables and as result hypperkitty never started. So I went back to see why the first error happened. Any clue what to do next? Best Regards, Helio Loureiro https://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro

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Google Summer of Code 2024
by Stephen J. Turnbull Feb. 26, 2024

Feb. 26, 2024

Hi, everybody It's that time of year again! PSF is in GSoC 2024, I'm 99% certain PSF will accept Mailman as a suborg (don't ask about the 1%, it's embarrassing ;-). Student applications open on March 18. So ... If you have ideas for improving Mailman 3, whether misfeatures that need fixing or cool new features, please consult our ideas page https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202024 to get an idea of level of detail and style of description needed (and to see if maybe it's already there. You can send them to me if they're already formed in your mind, or send them here for input from users on requirements, or to mailman-developers(a)python.org for input on implementation feasibility and appropriateness for GSoC. If you know anybody who would be interested in participating as a contributor, please encourage them to look at us. Rules are somewhat relaxed from years ago. They still don't accept below college age, but they no longer restrict to students. They're also offering multiple period lengths from 8 to 22 weeks (stipends vary according to period and by price level in country of residence, see https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/student-stipends) They're not as generous as a few years ago, at least for the "rich" countries (US, UK, Japan). You don't need to be an experienced coder or project manager to be a secondary mentor, just willing to communicate with the code contributor. If you're interested in being a primary or secondary mentor, the burden is likely to be "as much as you want". We rarely get more than one good application, and we have enough "default" primary mentors to cover the likely maximum number of slots we could be allocated. It would be very helpful to us and to the PSF organization administrators if you express interest and get signed up by the end of next week, but as far as I know we can add or substitute mentors at any time. Potential mentors should 1. Have a Google account (needed for step 2, and required by GSoC) 2. Sign up with Python-GSoC at https://forms.gle/coJYxhor6FAZcZfU8 3. If you have been a GSoC mentor or org admin in the past, go to https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com and accept the contributor agreement and program rules for 2024. (Definitely if you did last year, probably for 2022 the system still remembers you, and unlikely it has more memory than that.) Steve

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Settings for prevention of spam obfuscation
by Richard Rosner Feb. 26, 2024

Feb. 26, 2024

Are there any settings that may help with making it easier seeing spam as spam? E.g. some mail programs, including Outlook, allow the user to set a from mail address that most mail clients will show instead of the true sender address, but the senders mail address is still present in the sender header field. While some people and companies carelessly abuse that functionality, hiding their true mail address, those bad practices also are abused my spammers and others. Does mailman have any settings that would remove any such obfuscations, e.g. in this case detect the manipulated from address and replace it with the sender address? While I do run my own spam filter, it's virtually getting harder every day to make sure you detect all spam while not having too many false positives. If it was possible to reverse at least the most obvious manipulations, that would probably already help. Also, it would make it much easier for the users to see at first glance who actually wrote an email. It's always less trustworthy if the senders address is shown as user3168(a)suspiciousdomain.gg instead of it being manipulated to say support(a)yourprovider.com.

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Unable to get Postfix to bounce messages to non-existent lists
by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie Feb. 21, 2024

Feb. 21, 2024

We have Mailman working well in our environment, but there's one thing I can't seem to make happen no matter what I try. The situation is as follows: Postfix runs on on a different server than Mailman. Its main.cf says local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps transport_maps = regexp:/var/mailman-data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/var/mailman-data/postfix_domains The file postfix_lmtp is initially generated by Mailman (running on a different machine). A background process creates a version of the file wherein the lmtp IP address is changed to the network IP of the Mailman server, and that version is sync'd over to the Postfix server. On the latter, a typical block for a list then reads as follows (where A.B.C.D is the IP address of the Mailman server): /^some-list(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-bounces(\+.*)?(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-confirm(\+.*)?(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-join(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-leave(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-owner(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-request(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-subscribe(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-unsubscribe(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 The only problem with this is that if someone sends a message to a non-existent mailing list, Postfix nevertheless accepts the mail, and it loiters in the queue for several days before eventually being bounced back to the sender. I want to get Postfix to reject mail to non-existent mailing lists immediately. I've come up short with each variation of main.cf settings I've tried, and would greatly appreciate any advice. Many thanks Stephen Kenny

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Hyperkitty is not archiving due to 405 error - GET instead of POST
by Matthias Feb. 15, 2024

Feb. 15, 2024

Hi there, I am running mailman3 on Debian 12 - latest package (GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer)). Message handling in general is working fine, but as soon as a message is released, archiving with Hyperkitty is not working, due to a 405 error: --- Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) HyperKitty failure on http://lists.domain.tld/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: (405) Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) Could not archive the message with id <170766472771.3479669.4791049109141956450(a)otherdomain.tld> Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list jahrgang.domain.tld, message <170766472771.3479669.4791049109141956450(a)otherdomain.tld>) Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 158, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 228, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError --- When tracing this back, even the frontend Nginx server receives a get in his logs, hence I assume that hyperkitty is really creating a GET instead of a POST request? --- 217.72.204.162 - - [11/Feb/2024:16:18:48 +0100] "GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive HTTP/1.1" 405 0 "-" "python-requests/2.28.1" --- Any idea how to trace this down any further? Any help is really appreciated! Thanks, Matthias

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Retrieve users from a list
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat Feb. 11, 2024

Feb. 11, 2024

A moderator has deleted all the users from a list, is there a way to recover them?

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add / remove / set moderation bit of non-members via mailman shell
by Zaheer Abbas Feb. 9, 2024

Feb. 9, 2024

I have a situation where I need to add / remove 10-20 non-members to a particular list every week and set the moderation bit to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules). I do the above via postorius because I couldn't find a way to do this via mailman shell. Can anyone help me please to achieve the above? I know how to remove all non-members via /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com for nonmember in m.nonmembers.members: ... nonmember.unsubscribe() ... commit() I am just having difficulties adding the non-members and setting the moderation bit to 'Accept' Currently I am using Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) and Postorius Version 1.2.4 so cant use 'postorius => settings -> message acceptance -> id_accept_these_nonmembers' -- Regards, Zaheer

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Problems with mailman core translation and other details
by celi＠dieese.org.br Feb. 9, 2024

Feb. 9, 2024

Hi. We did a fresh install of the Debian Mailman 3 full package. I'd like all components to be translated into pt_BR. I downloaded the latest updated translations from weblate, which says that 100% of the project (all components) are translated. I checked and recompiled mailman.po with msgfmt without errors. I followed all instructions I saw, included the ones from the topic How to change the language in mailman3 in this list. Everything almost OK, except from the fact that none of mailman's core email messages are being translated, even though mailman.po shows the right messages. Also, strange things happen to these .po files. The web interface is almost perfect, but some messages (just some) are not correct - although the corresponding django.po appears to be OK. It´s the case below: the pair msgid/msgstr seems to be OK, but this particular sentence is not being translated. #: templates/postorius/lists/summary.html:88 #, python-format msgid "" "\n" " To subscribe you can send an email with 'subscribe' in the " "subject to\n" " <a href=\"mailto:%(address)s?subject=Subscribe\">" "%(address)s</a>\n" " or use the form below:\n" " " msgstr "" "\n" " Para se inscrever você pode enviar um e-mail com o assunto " "'subscribe' para\n" " <a href=\"mailto:%(address)s?subject=Subscribe\">" "%(address)s</a>\n" " ou use o formulário abaixo:\n" What am I doing wrong? Or what can I do to make things suitable? Additional info: GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] Postorius v. 1.3.4 HyperKitty v. 1.3.4 Thanx for any help

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Hiding an ML from a site
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 8, 2024

Feb. 8, 2024

I host two MLs on the same server/same MM3 instance. Under the Django Admin interface, I created two sites. I expected that each ML will belong to its own site and should not be visible on another site. On https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mm/lists/, you can see the two lists. How do I stop the "Users" list from showing up on this site ( https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mm/lists/) since it belongs to its own site - https://exim4u.org/mm/lists/ ? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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search this list searches more then just this list
by Marco van Tol Feb. 6, 2024

Feb. 6, 2024

Hi there, We run the following versions: mailman-core: 3.3.9 mailman-core-api: 3.1 mailman-core-python: 3.11.6 hyperkitty: 1.3.8 We have several lists on our server, I will write down a list of example list names that are good enough for the purpose of my question. xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:xx@domain.tld> yy-xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:yy-xx@domain.tld> zz-xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:zz-xx@domain.tld> When I now visit the archives for xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:xx@domain.tld> and enter a search phrase in “search this list”, the results include the other 2 lists. It looks like “search this list” searches for keyword in any listname that matches the one from "this list". Is there a way to really only search “this list” when I go to the archives for xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:xx@domain.tld>? I have tried to change the url for the results to have a ‘^’ in front of the listname, but that gives an error :-) Thanks in advance! Marco van Tol

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Disable all mail capabilities
by Hope Less Feb. 2, 2024

Feb. 2, 2024

I have a decades old list that was abandoned on my server. I upgraded it to mailman3 but it never came back to life. It is causing me some grief. I want to keep the archives up but totally disable any mail capabilities. I have turned off mail for the domain but I still get 'crap' that tries to relay. I've manually tried to remove stuff from the transport tables in Postfix but I still get mail. I'm not sure where the problem lies. If I can't stop this I'll have to remove the list entirely which includes the archives. I really wish to leave the archives up. Any idea on how I can remove the mail capabilities and leave the rest? Thank You.

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after upgrade: OperationalError: no such column: hyperkitty_mailinglist.archive_rendering_mode
by Hans Mayer Jan. 31, 2024

Jan. 31, 2024

Dear All, recently I did a system os upgrade debian 11.8 -> 12.4 / bullseye -> bookworm This did also upgrade Mailman3 version 3.3.3 -> 3.3.8 as a used the packages which came with Debian OS. Initially after the upgrade I had some troubles with the MM3 services to start, but I fixed this. Now almost everything is running. Only the Archives are not working. The browser shows a server error, when I look at the mailman-web.log I see ERROR 2024-01-31 15:14:14,403 2699563 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 423, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) sqlite3.OperationalError: no such column: hyperkitty_mailinglist.archive_rendering_mode When I check the schema I find such a column in table "mailinglist" I assume there is only one solution, to uninstall and delete everything and start from scratch. Or is there a way the check all tables with a script and do an table update for missing columns ? Or a partial installation of hyperkitty, as I don't care about the archives. I am using sqlite3 as DB backend. Kind regards Hans --

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transport map (postfix_lmtp) does not update - new lists not working
by Nils Jan. 29, 2024

Jan. 29, 2024

End of last year, I've re-installed mailman3 using the virtualenv installation method on ubuntu 20.04. Since then, the transport map (/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp) has not been updated even though, new mailing lists were created. The old mailing lists, that existed before the re-installation work perfectly fine but those created after are not accessible. Because the entries for those new lists are missing in the transport map, postfix replies with a "mail for ... loops back to myself" error. I'm quite sure, that I did all the steps in the documentation (except that I use a slightly different apache2 vhost configuration). I double checked on the cronjobs. crontab -u mailman -e @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman notify * * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs minutely 0,15,30,45 * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs quarter_hourly @hourly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs hourly @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily @weekly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs weekly @monthly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs monthly @yearly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs yearly Any idea, what I could have missed??? Kind regards, Nils

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Fresh installation mailman3-suite via "pipx" - any experiences yet?
by Wikinaut Jan. 27, 2024

Jan. 27, 2024

I recently found the "pipx" wrapper very useful and wanted to ask you if this could be facilitate the fresh installation of the mailman3-suite. Has anyone in the list already experiences installing mailman and mailmanweg through "pipx"? Here are my general tipps for using pipx # https://pipx.pypa.io/stable/installation/#on-linux sudo apt install pipx python3-venv To install a package systemwide for all users, I recommend the tip from https://github.com/pypa/pipx/issues/754#issuecomment-951162846 . sudo PIPX_HOME=/opt/pipx PIPX_BIN_DIR=/usr/local/bin pipx install <package>

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Single Click Unsubscribe
by J D Jan. 26, 2024

Jan. 26, 2024

I know this has been discussed in the past: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… However, Google has recently announced that they will be enforcing one-click unsubscribe for bulk senders: https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/03/gmail-to-enforce-harsher-rules-in-2024-to… Thoughts?

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mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 24, 2024

Jan. 24, 2024

Running an install on Debian12 VM. Getting a new error message that I haven't seen previously: (venv) mailman@debian12:~$ mailman-web compress Compressing... Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html: Invalid block tag on line 7: 'element', expected 'endblock'. Did you forget to register or load this tag? Invalid template account/verified_email_required.html: Invalid block tag on line 7: 'element', expected 'endblock'. Did you forget to register or load this tag? Error parsing template socialaccount/signup.html: socialaccount/base.html done Compressed 2 block(s) from 78 template(s) for 1 context(s). -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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share directories between postfix and mailman 3
by Thomas Schachtner Jan. 24, 2024

Jan. 24, 2024

Hi there, I think I have (finally) set up a working instance of mailman 3 on a host separate from the companion postfix mail server actually sending out the mails. One server (postfix) is directly in the internet and the other one is in an internal network not directly reachable from the internet (but connected using a reverse proxy). The services on the hosts are available to one another (i. e. the postfix server is reachable using 127.0.0.1:25 from mailman and mailman is reachable using 127.0.0.1:8024 from postfix using a permanent ssh tunnel betwenn the two hosts). I think that this solution could work quite reliably... (at least I hope so.) But that's not the full deal. Postfix needs access to some hashed configuration files containing the transport maps and the domains of the mailman installation, and mailman needs the contents of the postfix configuration file. As a quick and dirty solution, I've established a process which periodically copies the /var/lib/mailman3 directory from the mailman box to the postfix box using rsync. But I would like to have a more professional solution, like a directly shared directory between both. I did not yet find any suggestions on how to achieve this. Are there any best practices recommendations? I already tried sharing the directories using sshfs, but that did not work. I connected the remote directory postfix.example.com:/var/lib/mailman3 to my local directory /var/lib/mailman3 using sshfs root@postfix.example.com:/var/lib/mailman3 /var/lib/mailman3 This seemed to work pretty fine, as all files and directories seemed to be available, but when starting mailman 3, the following error message was shown: FileExistsError: A race condition might have happened. /var/lib/mailman3 actually exists and is not a directory. Any idea why this message is shown? So, is it a bad idea to use sshfs? Do I have to install an NFS server? But I am not sure if sharing directories using NFS across the Internet is a good idea... Any suggestions? Best regards Tom

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Re: Process on migrating mailman
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 24, 2024

Jan. 24, 2024

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 4:22 AM Mark Labeste <marqueejen13(a)gmail.com> wrote: > About 500 list. Not sure how to check size of the archives. > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 4:44 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mark Labeste <marqueejen13(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Any suggestion on how to migrate mailing list and archirve with >>> diffirent server and domain. For the mailing list from >>> sample.domain1.example.com to sample.domain2.example.com >>> >>> Old Mailing list >>> Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.5 (Tom Sawyer) >>> Mailman Core API Version 3.1 >>> Mailman Core Python Version 3.6.8 (default, Sep 26 2019, 11:57:09) >>> [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-39)] >>> Domain Domain1.example.com >>> >>> New Mailing list >>> Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) >>> Mailman Core API Version 3.1 >>> Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.18 (main, Sep 22 2023, 17:58:34) >>> [GCC 8.5.0 20210514 (Red Hat 8.5.0-20)] >>> Domain domain2.example.com >> >> >> >> How many lists? How big are the archives? >> >> Looking at >> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…, >> it seems like it's not a trivial exercise. >> >> However, I am wondering about the consequences of: >> 1. dumping the DBs and doing 's/DOMAIN1/DOMAIN2/g' in the dumps, then >> re-importing >> 2. editing settings.py and webserver config to reflect the DOMAIN2 >> 3. reconfiguring your MTA to handle list mails using the DOMAIN2 >> >> I am imagining a virtualenv type of installation. >> > The archives are in the database so nothing to worry about, Now that I think about this again, after dumping and importing the database as shown above, you need to rerun the 'mailman-web migrate` once again to import any DB schema changes between the versions. Actually, just run all the options from https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… . -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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log rotation for bounce.log
by Quanah Gibson-Mount Jan. 22, 2024

Jan. 22, 2024

I noticed that our smtp.log and bounce.log files haven't been rotated in years. I see the reason for smtp.log not being rotated is due to <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/931>. Does this same issue affect bounce.log or is it safe to rotate similar to mailman.log?

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Extract a list of the lists and the administrators who manage it
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat Jan. 22, 2024

Jan. 22, 2024

Hello, Is there a way to extract all the lists and show the administrators who manage those lists? Thanks!

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emails to list missing from archive after upgrade
by Quanah Gibson-Mount Jan. 19, 2024

Jan. 19, 2024

So next issue post upgrade: I sent three emails to one of the lists today. All of them went to the list, as I got copies of each one, and the headers clearly show them coming from the list. However, when I go look at the archives for the list, they don't show up at all. And it's been over 8 hours since I sent them. --Quanah

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Delivery to mail@domain.tld failed with code 444, [Errno 111] Connection refused
by christopher.claus＠tgcamberg1848.de Jan. 19, 2024

Jan. 19, 2024

Hi together, I´m using Mailman3.3.9 and postfix in docker containers seperatly. Everything worked fine since this afternoon. The error occurs, after postfix transports an incoming mail to mailman. After processing the mail, sending to all recepients failed >> Delivery to mail(a)domain.tld failed with code 444, [Errno 111] Connection refused I checked the configuration of postfix and added a wide IP-range to mynetworks: postfix-main.cf mynetworks = mailman-core tgc_mailman_core t 127.0.0.0/8 [::1]/128 [fe80::]/64 172.18.0.0/16 172.21.0.0/16 [2001:8d8:1800:283]/64 172.0.0.0/24 relay_domains = $mydestination #smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_unknown_sender_domain,reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_unknown_sender_domain smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject_unauth_destination smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/filtered_domains permit_mynetworks reject_unauth_destination smtpd_data_restrictions = reject_unauth_pipelining Does anyone have a clue for me as to why delivery to Postfix is failing? My last change a couple of days ago was adding an public ipv6-address to the host. But docker still works without IPv6. I thought about client-identification issues between maiolman-core and postfix but did noch find anything to fix ... Best regards, Christopher

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