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Is there a correct way to remove the "Are you sure you want to logout" screen?
by Mark London 21 May '23

21 May '23

Hi - Is there a correct way to remove the "Are you sure you want to logout" screen, after I select to logout? It seems so impossible to accidentally logout. And even if I did, it's just very easy to log back in. I did hack logout.html, and used jquery to automatically click the button. But that feels like a real hack. Although it does work. :) - Mark

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Heads Up - Downtime
by Mark Sapiro 20 May '23

20 May '23

We are moving the server that supports this list and that which supports our wiki to a different cloud VPS. In conjunction with this, there will be some time beginning around 16:30 UTC and continuing for about an hour when lists.mailman3.org, www.list.org and wiki.list.org will be unavailable. During this down time, mail to <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> should be queued in the respective MTAs and delivered when service is restored. Nothing should be lost. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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spf/dkim/dmarc
by Christian 20 May '23

20 May '23

How does Mailman handle spf/dkim/dmarc? Specifically, does it re-signature originating sender emails not caring whether or not the originating email has proper spf/dkim/dmarc signatures? Or does it NOT re-signature originating sender email, i.e. just pass them through without alteration?

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Hyperkitty using wrong email address in archive view
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au 18 May '23

18 May '23

Hi Folks, I notice that for people with multiple email addresses, the email address that appears as the 'FROM' address in the hyperkitty archive is not the primary address, nor is it the address that the email actually came from, but the address that was created first. (Hyperkitty version 1.3.7) When I click on that from address in the archive view, I see all the email addresses for the user -- these do not match up with the ones in the django admin screen from .../admin/account/emailaddress/ When I see 'User profile for Fred Frog' it shows obsolete addresses (not subscribed, not in the Django profile for the user). How can I as administrator get rid of bogus addresses? Or do I have to ask each user to do this? and how can I ensure that the email address displayed in the archive is the primary address, not some address that no longer works? Peter C

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Making "Mass subscribe" and "Mass removal" their own buttons in list_nav.html What stupid thing have I done wrong?
by mrl＠psfc.mit.edu 18 May '23

18 May '23

I want "Mass subscribe" and "Mass removal" as their own buttons, since I use them so much. I modified nav_list.html. See below. While the new buttons go to the correct page, the buttons don't get highlighted. I believe ootstrap navbar should be assigning "nav-link.active" class to the button that is clicked. But it doesn't. All the other buttons below work correctly. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. - Mark <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/templates" class="nav-link ">Templates</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/mass_subscribe/" class="nav-link ">Mass subscribe</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/mass_removal/" class="nav-link ">Mass removal</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/header-matches/" class="nav-link ">Header filters</a></li> <li role="tab" class="nav-item"><a href="/mailman3/lists/mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu/delete" class=" nav-link">Delete</a></li>

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Problem user
by Itay Malka 18 May '23

18 May '23

Hello everyone, I use mailman3 And I have one user who every time receives reports on a mailing list that he is not the administrator of, he is only registered to it How can I cancel it? could not find This is the email Message-ID: <CABPnsAo5vT8YKXiaHk0E2qs8CRs8nP13B9T9n5x4Yc8n7iLV3Q(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000069e01c05fbde1416" --00000000000069e01c05fbde1416 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 16rXldeT15QNCg== --00000000000069e01c05fbde1416 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGRpdiBkaXI9ImF1dG8iPteq15XXk9eUPC9kaXY+DQo= --00000000000069e01c05fbde1416-- End of Dental-medicine-faculty-council Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 ************************************************************* Regards

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Sendgrid experiences
by Andrew Hodgson 17 May '23

17 May '23

Hi. I am temporarily using Sendgrid now on my Mailman instance. Initial observations have been positive. A list with 100 users is racking up email delivers though, I am on the basic paid account which gives me 50k emails per month. I was hoping to use a cheaper provider and pay overage costs per email on the assumption that I'm seeing a spike in traffic today because people have started getting the messages again. Sendgrid is maintaining the Message-Id header which is good for archiving. It is re-writing the Return-Path header though which means that bounce handling in Mailman won't work, but I think all the services do this in some way so I am happy to live with that for the moment. Hope this helps. Andrew.

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hyperkitty_import Unicode Errors
by Dave Hall 16 May '23

16 May '23

Hello. When running hyperkitty_import to import Mailman 2.1 archives, I frequently get errors like django.db.utils.OperationalError: (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xE1\\x90\\xA7\\x0A\\x0AO...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") Is there a known cause for this? Is it fixed in some release more recent than 0+20180916? Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University kdhall(a)binghamton.edu

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Need help getting MM3 up and running on Ubuntu 20.04
by Marisa Giancarla 15 May '23

15 May '23

I asked for help before and someone helped me, but I couldn't pay the amount he requested right away and all my contact info for hoim seemed toi disappear so I am asking again. I can't afford to pay but I can provide monthly data center hosting in return. I need it running on Ubuntu 20.04. If you can help please email me at fstltna(a)yahoo.com. Thanks! Marisa

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Make archives private by default
by Johannes Rohr 11 May '23

11 May '23

Dear all, in mailman2 there was a setting that ensured that the archives of newly created lists are by default privat ( DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 Is there something similar in Mailman3? Johannes

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Problem with Gmail; bulk email
by Lars Bjørndal 10 May '23

10 May '23

Does someone have tips in how to solve the problem? Look at the log: mai 09 06:16:52 dalen.lamasti.net postfix/smtp[2174424]: 8163214C1740: to=<example(a)gmail.com>, relay=alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.250.157.27]:25, delay=50885, delays=50875/0.04/6.5/3.7, dsn=4.7.28, status=deferred (host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.250.157.27] said: 421-4.7.28 [185.181.61.11 15] Our system has detected an unusual rate of 421-4.7.28 unsolicited mail originating from your IP address. To protect our 421-4.7.28 users from spam, mail sent from your IP address has been temporarily 421-4.7.28 rate limited. Please visit 421-4.7.28 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError to 421 4.7.28 review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. 14-20020a63184e000000b00519f8ebcc5esi643336pgy.121 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command)) I have added the domain where the mailman list lives on to the google-site-verification TXT record in DNS. That seems to have no effect. Thanks Lars -- Lars Bjørndal <lars(a)lamasti.net> Ostadalsveien 64, 0753 Oslo. Mobil: 958 37 537

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Replace "visit your dashboard" with URL link, like in Mailman 2.
by Mark London 09 May '23

09 May '23

Has anybody attempted to change the format of the emails that are sent to the owner of a mailing list, to include a URL, instead of stating "visit your dashboard"? The former is the behavior of Mailman 2. Is there any reason why this can't be done? If nobody has tried to do so yet, I'll give it a try myself, as I'm familiar with django. Thanks. - Mark At your convenience, visit: https://.../mailman/admindb/... to approve or deny the request. The message is being held because: The message is not from a list member At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the request.

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Installed from Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10, web not quite working
by volkmar＠grote-family.com 08 May '23

08 May '23

Hi, today I installed MM3 with Nginx on Debian 11 following the document with a bit of "Mailman 3 installation experience" thrown in (many thanks to the authors!) with some minor changes, i.e. no encryption, and "re_path" instead of "url". I cannot get the web interface to run. "admin" is OK, but Postorius und Hyperkitty refuse to show up with > Page not found (404) > Request Method: GET > Request URL: http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3/lists/ > > Using the URLconf defined in urls, Django tried these URL patterns, in this order: > > ^$ > ^postorius/ > ^hyperkitty/ > ^user-profile/delete$ [name='mm_user_account_delete'] > ^user-profile/$ [name='mm_user_profile'] > ^accounts/ > ^admin/ > > The current path, mailman3/lists/, didn’t match any of these. > > You’re seeing this error because you have DEBUG = True in your Django settings file. Change that to False, and Django will display a standard 404 page. The error logs are all OK, the GET requests are logged without any error. My urls.py: > (venv) mailman@me:/opt/mailman/mm$ grep -v "^#" urls.py > from django.contrib import admin > from django.urls import include, reverse_lazy, re_path > from django.views.generic import RedirectView > > urlpatterns = [ > re_path(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view( > url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), > permanent=True)), > re_path(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > re_path(r'^hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > re_path(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), > re_path(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), > # Django admin > re_path(r'^admin/', admin.site.urls), > ] It must be something either really complex or, most likely, rather stupid. I switched from PC Assembler and C to Unix shell scripts some three decades ago, so I must admit that my Python skills are zero, my idea of the inner workings of all the packages is very vague. Any hints where I may look for installation errors? TIA Volkmar

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Response for Admins only
by Michael Schaarschmidt 08 May '23

08 May '23

Hello, I’m an administrator of a MM3 with a lot of lists, which are generated and maintained through the rest api. For testing reasons I am looking for a way to send a test mail with a ping to a list in MM3 from a mail address of an administrator to get a pong from the MM3 - or even better - get a response with the status of the list like number of recipients, number of mails waiting for moderation, etc. Does exist a solution for such a purpose? Regards, Michael -- Michael Schaarschmidt Martin-Luther-University Halle-Wittenberg IT-Center Kurt-Mothes-Str. 1 06120 Halle (Saale) Germany

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messages in queue/shunt
by Christian 07 May '23

07 May '23

Can/should old messages residing in queue/shunt be manually removed? I see they were delivered. Is there any reason to leave them there? Thank you!!

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templates
by Christian 06 May '23

06 May '23

I'm having issues with my lists. For each list I have created a template [ list:user:action:subscribe ]which has a prospective subscriber have to consent to list rules before they are subscribed. This template I created is listed in Postorius for each list. I have noticed that there are no other templates listed in Postorius. Furthermore, there is no 'lists' subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates/. Help (please)!

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Permission Denied "/opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/..."
by Peter Knowles 06 May '23

06 May '23

I am writing my own archive reader script in PHP which parses the "maildir" content produced by the "prototype" archiver. When I try to access the contents from "opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/prototype/LISTNAME/new" folder I get a permission denied error. *** I'm using the "file_get_contents" PHP command to access the file. ***

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Re: Python is updated
by Mark London 06 May '23

06 May '23

Because of my own personal horror stories of waking up to finding high priority linux servers broken, due to nightly automated updates, I now prevent automatic updates on my servers. I only do manual security updates. In addition to implementing modern security techniques for our network. That is just my personal belief system. It's worked for the past 25 years. The only time we ever got hacked, was because of some stupid php scripts that our developers had put online, or because people's passwords had become leaked. And some of those situations were nightmares also. In two case of which, happened while I was away on vacation, and I had to fix everything remotely. But that was never due to updates. I probably shouldn't express my opinion. But I have a lot of empathy for the guy who discovered his mailman broken due to upgraded Python. Which triggered my nightmares. But it's great though to have a very responsive community here, to bring people back from the dead. - Mark

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Default Setting for 'Results per Page' and other Web Pull-downs
by Dave Hall 05 May '23

05 May '23

Hello. For the past several months I've been in the process of migrating from Mailman2 to Mailman3 (along with many other tasks). I've just started to use the web interface heavily as I am finally doing the full migration of all my 2.1 lists. Before I ask my question, I am currently running Debian 10 which supplies mailman-3.2.1 and mailman-web 0+20180916, which are definitely old at this point. Although I will soon move to Debian 11, I am still constrained to stick to Debian packages. So if this has been fixed or enhanced in a future version I'm sorry for asking an old question. My question: when I go to any page that has a list (of lists, of members, or archives), there are pulldowns like 'Results per page' that seem to reset to the minimum number when I refresh the page. There are others like 'Hide inactive' on the Archives page. What I'm looking for is a per-user way to customize these values so I don't have to keep on setting them to the value I prefer. If that is available in a later release then I have something to look forward to. If not, it sure would be nice to have. Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University kdhall(a)binghamton.edu

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Amazon SES, Message-ID, and mailman
by Sam Darwin 05 May '23

05 May '23

Hi, We are running a mailman 2 mailing list, soon to upgrade to mailman 3. We recently switch the mail gateway from mailgun to Amazon SES. There's a new problem that the mailman 2 archives are not able to group threads together the way they were before. Moreover, end users have their own mail clients that display the list messages, and they are complaining about issues in their local mail clients. It seems to be related to the mail header fields Message-ID: , References: , and In-Reply-To: . Amazon SES rewrites the Message-ID. Therefore, it won't match the original Message-ID, and so the second reply email won't matched with the first email in a web archive display. Additionally, email replies are often sent both to the list and to individual participants, and so it's important that both of these copies have the identical message id. Has anyone else used Amazon SES as a mail gateway, and did you have success with it? Does this interpretation of the problem seem reasonable? Would it make sense to briefly discuss "Amazon SES" in an FAQ section of the mailman documentation? Thanks, Sam

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Change delivery_status of a member by using the rest api
by Michael Schaarschmidt 04 May '23

04 May '23

Hello, I would like to set or change the delivery_status of a list member by using the rest api. The curl request looks like curl \ -X PATCH \ -H "Content-Type: application/json“ \ -H "Accept: application/json“ \ -u restadmin:secret_password \ -d "@./foo_patch.json“ \ "http://127.0.0.1:8001/3.1/members/ebcdd09bb8d84758a135c3449023701e“ With the json-file: { „delivery_status“: „by_user“ } I get an error message: {"title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Unexpected parameters: delivery_status“} Is there a way to change the attribute `delivery_status` of an existing member by using the rest api? Cheers, Michael Schaarschmidt ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Postorius install - missing python modules
by Marco F 03 May '23

03 May '23

Hello, On AlmaLinux 8.7, after Configuring Mailman and Setting up my database (postgres), and hooking up my mailserver (Exim), the instructions proceed to Set up Postorius: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/setup.html I've tried `pip install postorius`, as well as the latest version, cloning and `pip install -e .`. I've tried with multiple python versions, all with the results: ModuleNotFoundError. Here's highlights of one example: ``` dnf update -y dnf upgrade -y dnf install -y python39 alternatives --config python3 » python3 -V Python 3.9.13 pip3 install postorius git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius.git cd postorius pip3 install -e . cd example_project ~/postorius/example_project (master)» » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'debug_toolbar' » pip3 install debug_toolbar ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement debug_toolbar (from versions: none) ERROR: No matching distribution found for debug_toolbar » pip3 install django-debug-toolbar ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel' » pip3 install requests_panel ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel' » pip3 install django-requests-panel ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_panel.panel' # I tried a bunch of different modules, none resolved the error, finally tried this & it did: » cd $( dirname $( locate requests_panel/panels.py ) ) && cp -pv panels.py panel.py » python3 manage.py migrate ... ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests_wrapper' » pip3 install requests_wrapper ... » python3 manage.py migrate ... ImportError: cannot import name '_total_seconds' from 'requests_wrapper' (/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/requests_wrapper/__init__.py) ```

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looking for more detailed traceback for shunted message
by bob B 03 May '23

03 May '23

Had a message get shunted in /opt/mailman/core/var/queue/shunt/. *** but that is the location in the docker environment, which we are running. The mailman log shows: Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 2e0e82a5-0924-1777-bed8-34862417fe7e@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 1198-1200: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 13:09:56 2023 (35) SHUNTING: 1682514596.7976818+6067e5ddeb70e4aad97977071b5ed00c41999057 Apr 26 13:10:14 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 367fa8b7-97ac-58b3-fb99-458dbb951f5d@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:10:14 2023 (31) ACCEPT: 367fa8b7-97ac-58b3-fb99-458dbb951f5d@[Redacted] Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 1198-1200: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 13:10:16 2023 (35) SHUNTING: 1682514616.5346222+7292ba8b651bc1bd76a9098733a39090e092add2 Is there anyway to get more info, Is there a more detailed traceback somewhere?

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Python is updated
by Lars Bjørndal 29 Apr '23

29 Apr '23

Hi, list! As the machine I'm running Mailman on now is upgraded from Fedora 36 to 37, the Python version is upgraded from 3.10 to 3.11. How do I update Mailman in the virutal environment? Thanks, Lars

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How to see the admin password reset in docker with mailman3
by bob B 27 Apr '23

27 Apr '23

I am setting up a new environment of Mailman3 in docker. I understand I have to reset the password to set the password for admin. I go to forget the password, in the GUI and I put in the address I have listed in the docker-compose.yaml and I never get the email. I look at the mail log on the host and I do not see the smtp connections. I assume Django is not using the docker host but sending the mail directly?? Basically, where can I see the password email rest mail logs to make sure an email was sent out and where it is going?

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If I manually add email addresses to a list and then delete them, how do i permanent delete them from Users?
by Mark London 25 Apr '23

25 Apr '23

I added some email addresses manually to a mailing list and then removed them. But now I can't find how to totally remove them from mailman3. They show up in the Users list. When I go to the Django interface, I don't see them listed in any selection. I thought they would show up under Emails in Hyperkitty, but they are not there. Oddly, somehow I've managed to create multiple duplicates of the same address, under Emails. Figure that one out! Thanks. - Mark 21 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:54 a.m. [Mark] afasdfa mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 20 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:44 a.m. [Mark] Re: tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 19 london(a)mit.edu April 25, 2023, 4:31 a.m. [Mark] tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 18 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:28 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 17 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:27 a.m. [Mark] tet mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 16 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:22 a.m. [Mark] Re: foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 15 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 3:21 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 14 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 2:05 a.m. [Mark] ;jklj mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 13 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:53 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 12 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:52 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 11 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:51 a.m. [Mark] Re: test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 10 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:42 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 9 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:38 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 8 mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:40 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 7 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:33 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 6 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:32 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 5 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:21 a.m. [Mark] foobar mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 4 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:20 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 3 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:11 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 2 root(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:14 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu 1 mailman(a)psfc.mit.edu April 25, 2023, 1:22 a.m. [Mark] test mark.lists1.psfc.mit.edu

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Configuring sendmail without virtualtable? Is this possible?
by Mark London 25 Apr '23

25 Apr '23

I'm presently running mailman 2 on an email server, which all use @psfc.mit.edu addresses. And which uses /etc/aliases. The directions for configuring sendmail for mailman 3, specify using virtusertable. I want my new email server to also host mailman 3 on ubuntu. Is it still possible to use sendmail, given the following directions for sendmail configuration? Seems talk using might break things. Or am I wrong? https://gist.github.com/Maeglin73/72eb5b1e4ee66a383c2aa454726be9a5 Thanks for any help. - Mark

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Problems getting MM3 to work
by Alain D D Williams 25 Apr '23

25 Apr '23

I have been using mailman2 for some 15 years ... decided that it is time to upgrade to MM3. I have to admit that I am finding it very hard to do so. My target is a Rocky Linux machine (AKA CentOS/RedHat). I am doing a test install in a virtual Debian 10 machine - the idea is learn how it hangs together before reimplement on Rocky (where I tie things down with SELinux). For me the biggest problem is the poor documentation - for someone who is new at MM3 and is not a Python programmer. After a few false starts I am doing a virtualenv installation as described: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html (Changes: I am using mariadb not postgresql, apache not nginx) I am trying to set up the WSGI server. It thinks that my domain is example.com ... when I 'grep -r example.com /opt/mailman' I see 11338 lines - far too many to look through. Could someone please tell me what/where I configure to enter my test domain. Thanks in advance. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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MM3 does not receive gmail-Members!
by Paul Brenner 24 Apr '23

24 Apr '23

Hallo I need help! My MM3 sends mails via a list. However, no mails arrive at all gmail recipients. These mails also do not end up in the spam or junk folders. What do I have to do? Regards Paul

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Gmail problems?
by Stephen Daniel 24 Apr '23

24 Apr '23

Mailman Gurus -- I run a number of small lists for my neighborhood association. The largest of these is ~120 users. Typical volumes are about 2 messages/day. In the past week or so a number of users who use gmail as their email client have complained that list emails have been going to spam or "promotions" folders. I've always had 1 or 2 users who had trouble receiving mails, but this seems to be a significant percentage of all gmail users. I have DMARC mitigation set to unconditional, and the DMARC action set to "Replace From: with list address". My emails are sent using google workspace as my SMTP relay. I'm trying to teach my users to whitelist the list domain, but they are not, in general, a tech-savvy bunch, so it is slow going. Anyone else suddenly having trouble with gmail? Any suggestions? Thanks!! -- Steve

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how to unhold a hold message from a nonmmeber in hold list.
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 21 Apr '23

21 Apr '23

I'm having troubles with Django and cannot access to web admin. I need to unhold a message while figures out what is happening. Searching the mailman cli help commands didn't help me. Anyone who knows how to unhold a message, please? Thanks in advance -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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MASS mailing list import - 900 ezmlm lists to Mailman
by grant＠horizonsunlimited.com 20 Apr '23

20 Apr '23

Hi, I hope someone can help. I have 900-ish, mostly small lists, basically all locations round the globe where people have volunteered to help particular people passing though. Those lists have 2 to 200 people. There are about 50 lists of up to 1000 people each we use for announcements. So two different setups, and a whole lot of manual work. I am moving from an old, now unreliable, host to a new one. Hopefully reliable, certainly cheaper, and better for privacy GDPR etc regs. Mailman is already installed, appears to be version 82?? on cPanel 108.0.15. Ezmlm, no surprise, is not. Installing and configuring it is not something trivial, also have to install gmail etc. Yuck. So, Mailman... going through to create one, I can see that 900 will be my life's work. I'm not a programmer, but reasonably technical, write html, css skills poor but adequate, command line isn't tooo scary, MySQL I don't go near. DOS batch files no problem! :) ANY IDEAS / suggestions appreciated! Thanks, Grant

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Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04?
by Mark London 16 Apr '23

16 Apr '23

Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04? If not, will it be possible in the near future? Thanks. Mark

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Link to account
by Lars Bjørndal 14 Apr '23

14 Apr '23

Hi, list! On one of my sites, I want to have all Mailman3 links to go under /mailman3. Even though, the Login link goes to a URL like: https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/accounts/login/ How can I ensure it goes to https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no/mailman3/accounts/login/ Thanks, Lars

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REST API http://.../3.1/users/../preferred_address returns 404 for GET and POST
by Eric Vyncke 13 Apr '23

13 Apr '23

Postorius 1.3.6 does not work anymore when displaying the details of a list that I own (https://lists.XXX.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/rapcs-pilotes.listsXXXorg/) . It worked before but there was several upgrades in between (Ubuntu, apt packages, MySQL, Python). It displays the usual header/footer of the page but with "Something went wrong" above a red box with "HTTP Error 404:". /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log last entries are below (note the 404 result codes in the REST API): Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94 HTTP/1.1" 200 418 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/addresses/eric(a)XXX.org HTTP/1.1" 200 379 Apr ... 127.0.0.1 - - "POST /3.1/users/d5...94/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 0 /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log of course has an exception about this 404 result code. Using the MM3 shell, the preferred_address can be displayed and even modified. There are also good values in the MySQL database. Other API endpoints for users work fine (preferences, addresses, ...) Postorius system information is: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.10 (default, Mar 13 2023, 10:26:41) [GCC 9.4.0] Running Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS and Python 3.8 Thanks in advance for any hint to solve this issue (I have held messages that I would love to accept)

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Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'
by Mohsen Masoudfar 13 Apr '23

13 Apr '23

I am observing the following error message in the logs for one specific list: = = = relay=email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210]:587, delay=0.27, delays=0.05/0.04/0.12/0.06, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210] said: 554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'. (in reply to end of DATA command)) = = = As I mentioned, this happens for one single list only and this list has not been able to send any email for a week now. After checking mailman-users, I came across the following setting, which seems kind of related to my issue: = = = To distribute messages with valid DKIM signatures, I set remove_dkim_headers: yes in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cf = = = Here are my questions: 1 - I have around 100 lists and this happens for this one list only, so, I am not sure, if the issue might be solved with this change. 2 - Because this happens for this one list only, I would rather change it for this one list only, is there any option available changing it for one list only and not for the whole server? Thanks M

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RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3?
by Markus Ludwig Grandpré 12 Apr '23

12 Apr '23

Dear MM§-users, is there a good documentation and example how I can learn to enable django.contrib.auth.backends.RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3? I've already found a detailed documentation (see [1]), but I do not manage to implement this AuthN mechanism for Mailman3. Can you help me? Btw. how can I disable and remove the Fedora button from Maliman3's login page? Best, Markus [1] <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/howto/auth-remote-user/> -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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List notices in French, but subject in English
by Mark Dale 12 Apr '23

12 Apr '23

Hi, I have a list set with it's preferred language set as French and the body of the standard notification emails (eg. Welcome message) is correctly sent in French, however the subject of the emails is in English. Can the list be configured so the subject is also in French, or is this an issue with gettext .mo files somewhere? This is on Debian package Mailman 3.3.3 Thanks, Mark

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An archive/read-only list on a full setup?
by Andreas Schamanek 11 Apr '23

11 Apr '23

I have a working full installation of mailman3, postorius and hyperkitty (on Debian 11). Now I wanted to host the archive of a remote list, and I am wondering how to do this properly. After I found no documentation and no posting I simply created a list in mailman3 with only 1 dummy member. The list address is subscribed to the actual remote list. So, messages arrive and are archived. But that's not optimal because hyperkitty thinks it's a normal list where it should be read-only and do not allow subscriptions etc. What's the proper way to set up a hyperkitty-only list? -- -- Andreas :-)

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Change base mailman URL path
by chad.hays86＠gmail.com 08 Apr '23

08 Apr '23

Hi, I recently completed the a Mailman3 install using these[1] instructions. I'm able to access the web interface, the Django admin app, etc off the root domain URL. For example: https://mydomain.org/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/admin, https://mydomain.org/archives What's the most straightforward way to put all of these URL paths behind a different context? For example: https://mydomain.org/lists/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/lists/admin, https://mydomain.org/lists/archives I'm running Apache2 as my web server and am using mod_proxy to proxy requests to uwsgi. [1] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html

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Debian Package Install - Ownership and Permissions
by Dave Hall 07 Apr '23

07 Apr '23

Hello, I know that installing from Debian packages is not the preferred method - unfortunately that's what I'm stuck with at the moment. I have an installation that is sort of working, but there seems to be a lot of issues relating to ownership and permissions that I'll have to manage by hand, so I am asking for some guidance. I'm seeing an interplay between 'list' (the existing Mailman2 user), www-data (the Apache user) and root. Given that it seems like almost everything that's part of mailman3-web/django/hyperkitty is running in uwsgi, should I maybe change /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini to use 'list' as the uid/gid rather than www-data and then also change any user/group permission to 'list' as well? Thanks -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

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Problem with starting core - problem getting a lock on something
by Jens Günther 06 Apr '23

06 Apr '23

Unfortunately our mailman-core-container doesn't start anymore correctly. We updated lately to v0.4.5 and it ran smoothly for the last 4 weeks. This morning the RAM crashed and I then had to restore some things since the RAID was affected. Anyway, the container doesn't get up anymore although we didn't change anything in the setup. Does anybody know what the error means and how we could fix that? "Could not acquire the lock" normally means that some permissions aren't right ... right? Actually I don't know where to start. What I already did: remove the container completely and rebuild it. Thank you in advance! Jens. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 125, in acquire_lock_1 lock.lock(timedelta(seconds=0.1)) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 386, in lock raise TimeOutError('Could not acquire the lock') flufl.lock._lockfile.TimeOutError: Could not acquire the lock During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 237, in details lockfile, hostname, pid, random_ignored = filename.split( ValueError: not enough values to unpack (expected 4, got 1) The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/master", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 580, in main lock = acquire_lock(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 151, in acquire_lock lock = acquire_lock_1(force) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 131, in acquire_lock_1 hostname, pid, tempfile = lock.details File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 241, in details raise NotLockedError('Details are unavailable') from error flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Details are unavailable

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Hyperkitty shows "<" as <
by Andreas Schamanek 05 Apr '23

05 Apr '23

Hi fellow Hyperkitties, I migrated from Mailman 2 to 3 and imported my 1st list via `manage.py hyperkitty_import` to Hyperkitty 1.3.4 (the Debian package), but that might not even be relevant to my problem: All "<" and ">" in old and new messages are shown as "<" and ">" in message views _however_ they are shown correctly in overview abstracts e.g. at //server/mm3/hyperkitty/list/testlist@server/latest Is this a bug in Hyperkitty? Or is our server doing something funky? -- -- Andreas :-)

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Mailman and Mailman-web databases
by Andrew Hodgson 05 Apr '23

05 Apr '23

Hi. Just come out of a bit of a server reorg where I followed the new instructions to get Mailman3 up and running with Mailman-web. Virtualenv Installation - Mailman Suite 3.3 documentation (list.org)<https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> In these instructions we are using 2 databases for the Mailman and Django components. I guess it doesn't harm anything to have just one database for both but wondered whether it was a good idea to split eventually? Thanks. Andrew.

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Database Schema - v3.2.1 to v3.3.3
by Dave Hall 05 Apr '23

05 Apr '23

Hello. Have 4 Debian servers running Mailman3 v3.2.1 and sharing the same external MySql databases for Mailman3 and Mailman3-web. I am in the process of migrating to v3.3.3. It would be easiest to perform this upgrade one server at a time, but this would mean that for a short time I would have v3.2.1 and v3.3.3 using the same databases. I am wondering if there are any MySql schema differences between the two versions. If there are, having the two different versions 'cohabitating' won't work.. Thanks. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University

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Held messages page not rendering the message
by mike-mailman＠earth.li 04 Apr '23

04 Apr '23

Hi When the list moderator goes to the held_messages page, they correctly get a list of the held messages and can accept/reject/discard them However, clicking on the individual message to read it doesn't work - it does nothing visible at all. From debug I can see it requests /mailman3/postorius/api/list/<list>/held_message/1/ which returns correctly (and the body includes the message as expected) - but it never renders it Any idea what could be wrong? Thanks -- Mike

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upgrading in FreeBSD 13.1-p7: problem with aiosmtpd and lmtp runner
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) 04 Apr '23

04 Apr '23

As you could have read yesterday, I had problems upgrading to the last versions of mailman3 related apps. The lmtp runner stopped after upgrade and showed and error in aiosmtpd package. the O.S. version running may servers is FreeBSD 13.1-p7 That was in a mailman3 server with few lists and traffic. O did the upgrade today in the server that has many lists and hard traffic. When I restarted mailman it showed this trace: Generating MTA alias maps /usr/local/mailman3 # Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/runner", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'runner')()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 184, in main runner = make_runner(*runner_spec, once=once) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 70, in make_runner return runner_class(name, slice) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/runners/lmtp.py", line 295, in __init__ self.lmtp = LMTPController(LMTPHandler(), hostname=hostname, port=port) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 417, in __init__ self._localhost = get_localhost() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 66, in get_localhost with makesock(AF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM) as sock: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/socket.py", line 232, in __init__ _socket.socket.__init__(self, family, type, proto, fileno) OSError: [Errno 43] Protocol not supported As Mark pointed it can be circunverted modifying /PATH_TO_YOUR_PYTHON/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py and changing the 49th line as this: # Helper function to assist in mocking^M ## return has_ipv6^M return False After that, restarting mailman 3 works perfectly. It seems that FreeBSD is handling IPv6 in a way that other OSs dont. It surprise me, because FreeBSD was the first OS where IPv6 was deployed, but it is what it is. Thaks to everybody for your patience, specially Odhiambo and Mark. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Custom Archiver
by Stephen J. Turnbull 03 Apr '23

03 Apr '23

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/1/23 16:33, Peter Knowles wrote: > > That all being said, on a slight segway... Aside from using the > > REST API, is it practical or possible to manipulate the database > > directly? That is, in doing so would it just work or are there > > extra moving parts when an API request is issued? > > It probably is possible, but I would definitely discourage it. The > REST API should provide everything you need without your having to > reimplement everything it does. I think it would probably be a really heavy lift, because Mailman internally uses an object-relational manager, SQAlchemy. We occasionally change the schema, and SQAalchemy will automatically upgrade the database schema. You would have to handle that by hand in your code. I would recommend you get the sources for mailmanclient (https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient, iirc). They're quite repetitive, you wouldn't want to literally port them, but once you're familiar with the scaffolding and a couple of the commands you should be able to write a lot of PHP really fast to cover the REST endpioints you most need in a library with an API to your taste. Steve

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Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list
by Andrew Hodgson 02 Apr '23

02 Apr '23

Hi, I have noticed recently I have around 2000 bogus sign-ups that have created accounts in Django. Looking through the logs these have come from the Postorius sign-up pages. I checked and email confirmation is required before the accounts are created and the email addresses that have been used do seem like they could respond to these requests. I don't want to add captchas to the form right now but is there any way to clean out these users from the database perhaps periodically based on whether the accounts are subscribed to any list? Thanks. Andrew.

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Custom Archiver
by pknowles＠tpnsolutions.com 02 Apr '23

02 Apr '23

I'm playing around with installing Mailman Core, and want to have messages on a "per-list" basis sent to a special "archiver" address which I intend to make archives available at via a custom built "read-only" IMAP client. How would I go about having messages sent to this external address, short of adding the address as a subscriber?

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