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mailman.log file owned by 'list' user
by Mike Wertheim Jan. 12, 2023

Jan. 12, 2023

I'm on Debian 11, trying to troubleshoot an installation of Mailman 3.3.3 that was done by someone else. Mailman is running as a non-privileged (non-root) user called 'xyz'. On the day that Mailman was installed, that non-privileged 'xyz' user was able to execute mailman commands successfully to create, view and modify lists. A couple of days later, when the 'xyz' user tried running those same mailman commands, they failed with this error: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman3/mailman.log' Doing "ls -l" on the file /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log showed this: -rw-r----- 1 list list 0 Jan 6 00:00 /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log When I did a 'ps' command, I saw that all of the mailman processes are running as user 'xyz'. No processes were running as the user 'list'. It seems that some process is rotating the mailman.log file at midnight, and the newly-created mailman.log is being owned by user 'list'. Can anyone explain why this is happening, and how to fix it?

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Re: Docker or virtualenv?
by J.Schulz Jan. 10, 2023

Jan. 10, 2023

For Docker: just use the README on https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman ; this should be enough for a basic setup. Eventually, you'll need to add some things to core/mailman-extra.cfg : ___ [mailman] site_owner: help(a)elternserver.de SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 # [devmode] # enabled: yes # recipient: you(a)somewhere.com # # extra local settings for mailmen [mta] # NullMTA is just implementing the interface and thus satisfying Mailman # without doing anything fancy # outgoing: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA smtp_user: your_auth@your_MTA smtp_pass: supersecretpassword smtp_verify_hostname: yesorno smtp_secure_mode: starttls # or whatever # [logging.debug] [logging.smtp] level: warn ___ also, web/settings_local.py needs tweaking in some cases; the DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS come from my docker-compose.yml ---- import os # see https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues/548 django_allowed_hosts = os.environ.get('DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS') if django_allowed_hosts: ALLOWED_HOSTS = django_allowed_hosts.split(':') MAILMAN_WEB_SOCIAL_AUTH = [] SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = { } DEBUG = False # see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/957 DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD='django.db.models.AutoField' HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'xapian_backend.XapianEngine', 'PATH': "/opt/mailman-web-data/fulltext_index", }, } ----- Am 10.01.23 um 09:11 schrieb Odhiambo Washington: > Hi Jörg, > > Kindly share the link to the HOWTO, which you use to setup everything. > I just need to test. Perhaps I can use docker on Windows, no? > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 8:58 PM Jörg Schulz <info(a)joergschulz.de> wrote: > > I have a successful installation using docker, just updated to the > most > recent version - it runs along quite some other docker containers, so > there is a benefit when I want to switch machines. > > Am 07.01.23 um 12:02 schrieb Odhiambo Washington: > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:54 PM Johannes Rohr <johannes(a)rohr.org> > wrote: > > > >> I wanted to say "I have now chosen virtualenv". Sorry for the > confusion. > >> > > I have never tried docker, but soon I will. Just for the kicks. > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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SPF check fails for lists subdomain
by Jan Eden Jan. 9, 2023

Jan. 9, 2023

Hi, my question is not related to Mailman directly, apologies for using this list. I configured the DNS records for my base domain and my lists subdomain identically (the DMARC policy records are also identical, but not listed here): MX @ mail.eden.one TXT @ "v=spf1 mx ~all" MX lists mail.eden.one TXT lists "v=spf1 mx ~all" A mail 123.123.123.123 But both Yahoo and Google report different SPF results for the two domains: <policy_published> <domain>eden.one</domain> <adkim>s</adkim> <aspf>s</aspf> <p>quarantine</p> <pct>75</pct> </policy_published> <record> <row> <source_ip>123.123.123.123</source_ip> <count>3</count> <policy_evaluated> <disposition>none</disposition> <dkim>pass</dkim> <spf>pass</spf> </policy_evaluated> </row> <policy_published> <domain>lists.eden.one</domain> <adkim>s</adkim> <aspf>s</aspf> <p>quarantine</p> <pct>75</pct> </policy_published> <record> <row> <source_ip>123.123.123.123</source_ip> <count>2</count> <policy_evaluated> <disposition>none</disposition> <dkim>pass</dkim> <spf>fail</spf> </policy_evaluated> </row> What could possibly cause this difference? The SPF test also fails for a different base domain with the same MX and SPF records. - Jan

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Out there plugin idea for tech cost sponsorship
by Steven Clift EDem Jan. 8, 2023

Jan. 8, 2023

After spending 20 years running a non-profit that hosted email lists for local communities as my day job, that's now all volunteer as I run a startup. Figuring out how to raise money to cover server costs without selling out our members with targeted social media advertising, was a continuous challenge. Anyway, today I am still involved in efforts to route around digital ad behemoths, but I a trying to help small businesses and shop for good brands gain new customers. So here is the question - do you think a Mailman add-on/plugin/module/whatever you'd call it that allowed list admins to reward their new subscribers to email lists with custom themed "for good" discounts would be of interest to many??? Normally, we (GoodCarts) reward people post-checkout with discounts in reciprocity powered circles of online stores. Stores essentially grow together by sharing customers instead of bidding against each other. The way I could see working with email list providers is basically adding an affiliate marketing style commission where purchases with post-subscription rewards would go to the partner based on results. When we go from hundreds of brand members to thousands and add in a "buy local" or brands by theme/values/impact, in theory my non-profits local online community forums could mission align by offering discounts to locally owned businesses. Our view is that exclusive discounts as rewards post transaction (purchase, email list subscription, volunteer sign-up, event registration, online petition signature, etc.) is far better than plastering ads everywhere. Anyway, I'd be curious if you think idea might have legs with Mailman list hosts/admins??? Nothing urgent, just a Saturday morning think different idea. Steven Clift

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Footer broken after migration. Where can I fix it?
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 7, 2023

Jan. 7, 2023

Dear all, after importing the lists from mailman2, almost everything works great, but the footer templates appear broken. Mails sent out contain the line %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s So clearly the old templates are not getting explanded. However, when I look in the web interface unter "templates", there is nothing there. Where are these legacy footers stored? In the DB, the table "postorius_emailtemplate" is empty. Thanks! Johannes

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Docker or virtualenv?
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 7, 2023

Jan. 7, 2023

Dear all, I have noticed that Ubuntu's current LTS no longer contains packages for mailman2 and its mailman3 packages are incomplete. So, prior to upgrading the server, I will have to migrate from mailman2 / distro packages to mailman3 installed either in virtualenv or docker. I have got zero experience with virtualenv and some experience with Docker. Overall, the docker method looks easier. Is docker the default method by now? Thanks! Johannes

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virtual_alias_domains
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 6, 2023

Jan. 6, 2023

Dear all, I have to set up mailman3 in an environment where postfix uses virtual alias domains. This is described in https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… I don't understand, though, what I need to do to have mailman generate $PREFIX/var/data/postfix_vmap I have tried to follow the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… with the purpose of setting an alias domain. However, things go sideways quickly: >>> from mailman.interfaces.domain import IDomainManager >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> manager = getUtility(IDomainManager) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 165, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) zope.interface.interfaces.ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass mailman.interfaces.domain.IDomainManager>, '') >>> So, something is missing. But, being a complete python layman, I do not know what and how I fix it. Can someone give me a headsup? That would be greatly appreciated! Johannes

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hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 6, 2023

Jan. 6, 2023

Dear all, I just installed mailman and mailman3-web in virtualenv as described in https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html Next I moved on to set up hyperkitty as described in https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/install.html. I got confused by the instructions: "Install the code Install the HyperKitty package and its dependencies with the following commands: sudo python setup.py install" Obviously this is a python script in a package that has to be downloaded from somewhere. Why? Doesn't the command pip install mailman-web mailman-hyperkitty already do the job? Apparently, there is a second way of installing hyperkitty, using virtualenv, where you have to check out the code from gitlab and install from there. However, this still doesn't look right, as hyperkitty apparently can also be installed through pip install hyperkitty But then, hyperkitty seems to be already have been pulled in by mailman-web, looking at its dependencies. If that's the case, then neither the instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/install.html nor those at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/development.html are correct. Can someone enlighten me on what the canonical way is of installing and setting it up in virtualenv? Thanks a lot in advance! Johannes

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Re: Configure MM3 with separate IMAP Mailserver
by Clemens Leider Jan. 2, 2023

Jan. 2, 2023

Hi Mark, much appreciated! This is for sending messages, right? How about the recieving part…I read different things around that i need multiple mailboxes created, postfix installed, relays, ASMTPDirect etc…can you guide me a bit here, please? I havent found that one instruction that would solve this for me until now. Would just like to avoid to have to administer my own mailserver locally, if i have a perfectly configured one with my provider. CL

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Extracting mailing list users
by Jan Eden Jan. 2, 2023

Jan. 2, 2023

Hi, I would like to export users of my mailing lists including their full name (if present). The export button in Postorius creates a CSV with addresses only, and the tool bin/list_members mentioned in the [Mailman 2 FAQ] does not seem to be available in Mailman 3. I have full access to the server/database, so scraping the web interface with [Mark's script] seems unneccessary. Is there an SQL statement (or an equivalent of bin/list_members) to extract the data? Thanks, Jan [Mailman 2 FAQ]: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20extract%20%28export%29%20a%20list%… [Mark's script]: https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers3.py

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