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[Mailman-Users] Web interface for users (not admins)?
by Stephen J. Turnbull 08 May '21

08 May '21

Hi Skip! First, a bit of admin. Mailman 2 is still in active use, so we've split out a separate list for Mailman 3: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org. Subscribe at https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ You can use several common social media to authenticate yourself. You'll have to do the usual one-time key dance to verify your email address (sorry!) You will get good feedback from the users there (better than the OP list). ** Reply-To set, please use "reply to author" to follow up. ** Skip Montanaro writes: > So, I got to thinking... Are there any free web user (not admin) > interfaces which integrate with MM3? Yes. The HyperKitty archiver, which is part of the Mailman 3 suite[1], provides an interface for submitting posts as well as reading them, and has a few social media features (liking posts). > Something which when combined with MM3 could conceivably be an > alternative to Google Groups, (the now defunct) Yahoo! Groups, or > Groups.o? That's for your users to say. ;-) If you visit https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/ you can try it for yourself. To post, you'll need to sign up (you can do that with a Google account, and I think both GitHub and GitLab are accepted as well. > I poked around the archives a bit and browsed list.org for a few > minutes, but turned up nothing. Or rather, all I found related to > web interfaces was the admin interface. HyperKitty issues mostly have to do with importing archives. The webservice being effectively synchronous and centralized doesn't have a lot of problems as compared to email, and many feature suggestions go directly to the tracker for HyperKitty. I'm not surprised you don't find much about HyperKitty as Web UI in the list archives.

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mailman3 exim4 and debian 1 problem fconnection lost
by roberto Burceni 06 May '21

06 May '21

[Mailman-Users] mailman3 and exim4 problem in debian bullseye Good evening, I'm configuring mailman3 with exim4 on a debian 11. I followed the official documentation on mailman for exim. It seems to be all rights, but I have a problem: when I send a message to a new lists in exim logs I see that exim uses correctly mailman router and transport. Unfortunately in smtp.log in mailman3 log folder I have the following error: May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) sender: servizioinformatico(a)uicbs.it May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) Data: b'RCPT TO: <listtest-unsubscribe(a)uicbs.it>' May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) recip: listtest-unsubscribe(a)uicbs.it May 04 16:51:01 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) Data: b'DATA' May 04 16:51:02 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) Data: b'QUIT' May 04 16:51:02 2021 (2337) ('127.0.0.1', 34746) connection lost May 04 16:51:02 2021 (2337) Connection lost during _handle_client() This causes that messages are not sent from mailman to users. Have you an idea of the problem? Can it be a memory problem that causes that mailman responses are too slow and exim closes the comunication before the end? I have no other errors in other log files Thank you in advance -- Roberto Burceni Linux System Admin & PHP developer Esperto accessibilità siti web E-mail: roberto(a)robertoburceni.it Phone: +393358208080 P.iva: 04025840986mbre per il mat

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Correct way to filter auto-replies to list?
by Gary Holman 06 May '21

06 May '21

I have seen a few messages on this list regarding handling 'out of office' auto-replies. However I do not see a final resolution. What is the best practice to filter auto-replies to list: header filter or postfix milter-reject or something else? We are running dockerized Mailman 3 version 1.3.4. A list user auto-replied their vacation message to list and then the listserv created a chain-reaction of continuously replying to auto-replies by that user. There isn't really a good header option to filter from, as the subject seems to be randomized. For example: From <SENDER ADDRESS> Tue May 4 19:02:29 2021 From: Sender Name <SENDER ADDRESS> To: <LIST ADDRESS> Subject: [electronics-daq] Re: 25ad Date: Tue, 04 May 2021 20:59:57 +0200 Message-ID: <A2FB195E-5261-4F26-AF19-7AFE0B0632A5> In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3C0101017937874647-cf4b59ca-737e-4db0-9a01-85d9d43c8?= =?utf-8?q?d68-000000=40us-west-2=2Eamazonses=2Ecom=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7283775935526227777==" --===============7283775935526227777== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Gary

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Mailman 3 Web Application Startup Time or Availability - 502 Bad Gateway and Postorius
by summersan＠nclack.k12.or.us 03 May '21

03 May '21

Hello, I've been setting up a new Mailman 3 installation earlier this year, and I think things have been going okay so far. I've noticed, however, that after a long amount of time passes (for example, a weekend), when I try to visit the local Mailman 3 web application (e.g., example.mailman.site/mailman3/lists/, where it says "Postorius" at the top left corner of the page and shows a list of mailing lists in the body of the page), I sometimes get a 502 Bad Gateway type of error (referenced from my notes). As far as I can tell, this looks like a normal web server (nginx?) error. If I try visiting the Mailman 3 server location again in a web browser shortly thereafter, I still might get a 502 Bad Gateway error. If I wait a while longer (maybe a minute or more?), the Mailman 3 web application appears to load as expected. I've tried looking at the gunicorn documentation (https://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/index.html) and searching online (including in this Mailman3 mailing list) to see if there's something that can be done to fix this issue. The closest thing I can find for now is advice for something that, while possibly being technologically unrelated, includes the idea of "warmup requests", which makes me think of simply setting up some sort of script to periodically load a page on the Mailman 3 web application in order to keep it more available for visitors (https://stackoverflow.com/a/57056170). Is there a setting or something in any of the Mailman 3 related programs that could help with keeping the Mailman 3 web application up and running more often without having to resort to making an ongoing, automated request to the Mailman 3 web application? Thank you. * Note: "Mailman 3" terminology is referenced from this page: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/

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Exception with processing subscription confirmation email
by Eric Broens 29 Apr '21

29 Apr '21

Hi, A new user tried to subscribe to a mailinglist, received the confirmation mail, and replied to it. The subscriber is however not subscribed and remains listed in the "pending confirmation" list. The following exception appears in the error.log. Does anyone knows how to resolve this? In the past we didn't experience any issues and no changes but security updates have been installed. Apr 29 16:15:55 2021 (1581) deque: do_confirm_verify Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.p y", line 356, in _step_send_confirmation raise StopIteration StopIteration Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) Uncaught runner exception: Expecting ':' delimiter: line 1 column 256 (char 255) Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/command.py" , line 208, in _dispose mlist, msg, msgdata, parts, results) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/eml_confir m.py", line 54, in process mlist).confirm(token) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.p y", line 578, in confirm workflow.restore() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 146, in restore data = json.loads(state.data) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/__init__.py", line 354, in loads return _default_decoder.decode(s) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 339, in decode obj, end = self.raw_decode(s, idx=_w(s, 0).end()) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 355, in raw_decode obj, end = self.scan_once(s, idx) json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Expecting ':' delimiter: line 1 column 256 (char 255) Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) SHUNTING: 1619705788.5856323+57a1a759275c59b732cfa8e2985f76cfcc27dda5 Thanks in advance, Eric

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user mail not accepted
by Christian Stalberg 28 Apr '21

28 Apr '21

I have a user whose moderation rule is 'Accept immediately' yet when they send a message for distribution to the list, they only receive it and it is not distributed via the list. Logfile entries below. Please advise. Btw I have another list on this same instance which is running fine. Thank you. [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org HTTP/1.1" 200 453 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "POST /3.1/members/find?list_id=ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org&subscriber=christian %40sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com HTTP/1.1" 200 1257 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "PATCH /3.1/members/7186cd45bde34d4fa7e7b5ab36b97272 HTTP/1.1" 204 0 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org HTTP/1.1" 200 453 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "POST /3.1/members/find?list_id=ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org&subscriber=christian %40sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com HTTP/1.1" 200 1288 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/requests/count?token_owner=moderato r HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET /3.1/members/7186cd45bde34d4fa7e7b5ab36b97272/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 295 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2"

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Non-ascii characters missing from Pipermail archive txt and gz downloads
by Mark Dale 20 Apr '21

20 Apr '21

Mailman 2.1.34 Debian 10 Postfix Hi I'm hoping someone can shine a light on character encoding issue I've encountered. A plain-text email with non-ascii characters in the body gets posted to the list. As per Mark Sapiro's guide I've captured the incoming message to file. - https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg73469.html The message is received by Mailman with the non-ascii characters displaying correctly. The header of that message has: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In the list's mbox file and archive webpage, the message displays the non-ascii characters correctly. In the archive's downloaded .txt (and also .gz) file, the non-ascii characters are missing and displayed as "?". I've copied the message text in below, from both the correct one from the email and the erroneous .txt file. Hopefully they won't get scrambled up when I send this. Any advice on getting the non-ascii characters written into the archive .txt file would be gratefully received. Thanks, Mark === Message text as okay in mbox and as shown on the archive webpage === If one goes by the definition of veḷippaṭai as given in the Tamil Lexicon that the meaning of an ambiguous word should be disambiguated by a qualifying word, then aruvi āmpal does not conform to that definition since in the case of aruvi āmpal in Patiṟṟuppattu 63, aruvi is really made up of aru+vi, a compound. Moreover, the expression aṭai aṭuppu aṟiyā is already there to clarify that āmpal is a number and not a flower. Thus, aruvi simply provides information in addition to aṭai aṭuppu aṟiyā that āmpal is not a flower. The modern commentator Aruḷampalavaṉār also does not call it veḷippaṭai. === === Message text with missing characters in te archive's txt and gz downloads == If one goes by the definition of ve?ippa?ai as given in the Tamil Lexicon that the meaning of an ambiguous word should be disambiguated by a qualifying word, then aruvi ?mpal does not conform to that definition since in the case of aruvi ?mpal in Pati??uppattu 63, aruvi is really made up of aru+vi, a compound. Moreover, the expression a?ai a?uppu a?iy? is already there to clarify that ?mpal is a number and not a flower. Thus, aruvi simply provides information in addition to a?ai a?uppu a?iy? that ?mpal is not a flower. The modern commentator Aru?ampalava??r also does not call it ve?ippa?ai. ===

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Long lines in mail composed by HyperKitty
by Stephen J. Turnbull 19 Apr '21

19 Apr '21

Hi, [I prefer discussion be directed to mailman-developers, so Reply-To is set. But if you're not subscribed to -developers, following up here is OK, and I'll eventually summarize to -developers. Just don't followup to both.] I just noticed that among the agents that send non-conformant long lines[1] is HyperKitty. Nowadays violating the 80 octet limit is common and MUAs mostly handle it, but the 1000 octet limit is enforced by many MTAs[2] I think that HyperKitty should format mail per RFC 3676 format=flowed https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4. However, I don't use "modern" (aka crappy HTML-oriented) clients, so I don't know whether they handle format=flowed properly. Discussion greatly desired. Steve Footnotes: [1] RFC 5321: MTAs MAY impose a limit >= 1000 octets including CRLF. RFC 5322: MUST be <= 1000 octets including CRLF, SHOULD be <= 80 octets including CRLF. [2] In practice, most (?) MTAs just break the line at 998 octets and insert CRLF rather than reject the message. I assume they would break happily in the middle of a multi-byte character, i.e., any non-ASCII in a UTF-8 text.

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GNU Mailman condemns reinstatement of RMS
by Abhilash Raj 13 Apr '21

13 Apr '21

To the Mailman community, The GNU Mailman Steering Committee condemns the reinstatement of Richard M. Stallman (RMS) to the Board of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), and has taken the following actions: 1. On behalf of the GNU Mailman project, signed the letter on GitHub[1] calling for the removal of the entire FSF Board, as well as RMS himself. 2. Started exploring ways to move our financial assets, for decades managed by the FSF, to new management. The management fees are small, but this is an important symbolic protest. 3. Started exploring how to leave the GNU Project. On the one hand, if we leave but GNU wants to maintain a "GNU Mailman" project, we cannot stop them, confusing users. On the other hand, RMS is leader of the GNU Project, and has intervened in Mailman affairs on many occasions. We should forestall this in the future. We wish to explain our actions to the community. Although free exchange of software among users is a practice that goes back to days of the earliest general purpose computers, RMS was the first to propose a complete free software distribution, and is the acknowledged founder of the Free Software movement. Even leaders of the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) acknowledge this. We all owe him a debt for this. Nevertheless, the movement has matured and thrived, spawning the competitive open source movement, with whose philosophy Mailman is more closely aligned. While we acknowledge our debt to RMS, we don't need him any longer. And unfortunately, he has become both a symbol and a source of the toxicity in tech communities. The FSF Board did the right thing by accepting RMS's resignation. They did the wrong thing by reinstating him. RMS has a long history of abusive behavior and toxic political positions. A small part of it is described in the open letter on GitHub[1] and its references[2], and several members of the Steering Committee have observed it directly. All of us have heard stories directly from those who were abused or observed it directly. His political positions are public, for example his support of pedophiles. He claims that he in no way supports abusive relationships with children, yet refuses to acknowledge that children are generally in no position to provide consent, an evasive and highly toxic position. There is no question: RMS is toxic. We came for mailing list management, but we stayed for the community. We have a right to protect our community by dissociating it from toxic influences. We do not want our project associated with such a person, nor to provide economic resources to organizations that promote him to leadership positions. We are taking these actions to protect our community, both the narrow community of Mailman developers and users, and the broader open source community, from his toxic behavior and from the reputational damage that will come from helping to enable him. While we have no information suggesting that other members of the FSF Board are similarly toxic as individuals, as a group they enabled RMS for decades, and now have taken an explicit step in enabling him again. If they want to regain their position of respect and acceptance in our community, they must acknowledge their error, and we don't see -- given their reinstatement of RMS himself -- how they can do so convincingly while maintaining their positions on the Board. They must resign, and a new Board composed, to demonstrate their sincerity. What they do is up to them, of course, but if they do not take radical steps, we will continue to consider association with the FSF a threat to our community. For the Mailman community, Abhilash Raj (project leader) Mark Sapiro Stephen J. Turnbull Aurélien Bompard Terri Oda Barry Warsaw John Viega (founder) [1] Text and signatures: https://rms-open-letter.github.io [2] Appendix to the letter: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/appendix Related statements: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/statements

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Resetting users' password for them?
by Duane Raymond 10 Apr '21

10 Apr '21

Hi. I have quite a few users who when they reset their password, don't receive their password reset email. It works fine for many, so they are going out. But for those who they don't go out for, I was hoping to get their password reset key/token from the database tables and send it to them...only thing is I can't find it in there! )it may not be there). So what would you suggest for enabling people to reset their password when the system email isn't received: - Is there a way to get the reset token so I can send it manually - if so, where/how do I find it? - Would enabling social login be a work around for this problem? - Anything else you can suggest? Cheers, Duane

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