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export/import list?
by Dave McGuire March 1, 2024

March 1, 2024

I'm migrating to a new Mailman3 instance, finally escaping a fairly old (3.1.1) and problematic distribution repo install on a Linux VM and moving to a venv install in a native SmartOS Zone. I've gotten everything running well and integrated with our (fairly complex) mail server. I'd like to begin migration of the lists on the old mm3 instance. Is there a way to export a list from one Mailman 3 instance and import it into another, on a different machine? Ideally some way to capture its settings, members, members' settings, etc? Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Migration from old server to new server failed
by Helio Loureiro March 1, 2024

March 1, 2024

Hi, So we tried to the migration following the steps: - stop mailman in the old machine (v3.1.1 from ubuntu packages) - dump DB mailman3 and mailman3web - backup /var/lib/mailman3 content On the new machine: - checkout from git the version 3.1.1 to match production and install the services - stop mailman3 and mailman3-web on the new machine - load DBs into new machine - copy content from /var/lib/mailman3 into /local/mailman/var (which means: archives/ cache/ data/ ext/ lists/ locks/ messages/ public_suffix_list.dat queue/ templates/ web/) - start mailman3 and mailman-3web - run mailman3-web migrate And I stopped here. Because it crashed. (venv) mailman@new-mailman3-server ~ (v3.1.1) [0|SIGINT]> mailman-web migrate System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: account.EmailAddress: (models.W036) MariaDB does not support unique constraints with conditions. HINT: A constraint won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. account.EmailAddress: (models.W043) MariaDB does not support indexes on expressions. HINT: An index won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: Applying account.0003_alter_emailaddress_create_unique_verified_email... OK Applying account.0004_alter_emailaddress_drop_unique_email... OK Applying account.0005_emailaddress_idx_upper_email... OK Applying admin.0003_logentry_add_action_flag_choices... OK Applying auth.0009_alter_user_last_name_max_length... OK Applying auth.0010_alter_group_name_max_length... OK Applying auth.0011_update_proxy_permissions... OK Applying auth.0012_alter_user_first_name_max_length... OK Applying django_mailman3.0003_sessions... OK Applying django_q.0010_auto_20200610_0856... OK Applying django_q.0011_auto_20200628_1055... OK Applying django_q.0012_auto_20200702_1608... OK Applying django_q.0013_task_attempt_count... OK Applying django_q.0014_schedule_cluster... OK Applying hyperkitty.0016_auto_20180309_0056... OK Applying hyperkitty.0017_file_attachments... OK Applying hyperkitty.0018_threadcategory_color... OK Applying hyperkitty.0019_auto_20190127_null_description... OK Applying hyperkitty.0020_auto_20190907_1927... OK Applying hyperkitty.0021_add_owners_mods...Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 87, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 75, in execute return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 179, in execute res = self._query(mogrified_query) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 330, in _query db.query(q) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 261, in query _mysql.connection.query(self, query) MySQLdb.OperationalError: (1050, "Table 'hyperkitty_mailinglist_moderators' already exists") The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 90, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 402, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 448, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 96, in wrapped res = handle_func(*args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/commands/migrate.py", line 349, in handle post_migrate_state = executor.migrate( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 135, in migrate state = self._migrate_all_forwards( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 167, in _migrate_all_forwards state = self.apply_migration( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py", line 252, in apply_migration state = migration.apply(state, schema_editor) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/migration.py", line 130, in apply operation.database_forwards( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/operations/fields.py", line 108, in database_forwards schema_editor.add_field( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/schema.py", line 104, in add_field super().add_field(model, field) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 636, in add_field return self.create_model(field.remote_field.through) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 447, in create_model self.execute(sql, params or None) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py", line 199, in execute cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 67, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 80, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute with self.db.wrap_database_errors: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 91, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 87, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 75, in execute return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 179, in execute res = self._query(mogrified_query) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 330, in _query db.query(q) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 261, in query _mysql.connection.query(self, query) django.db.utils.OperationalError: (1050, "Table 'hyperkitty_mailinglist_moderators' already exists") I tried to drop the table, but then it complained about another one. I dropped all the complained tables and as result hypperkitty never started. So I went back to see why the first error happened. Any clue what to do next? Best Regards, Helio Loureiro https://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro

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Google Summer of Code 2024
by Stephen J. Turnbull Feb. 26, 2024

Feb. 26, 2024

Hi, everybody It's that time of year again! PSF is in GSoC 2024, I'm 99% certain PSF will accept Mailman as a suborg (don't ask about the 1%, it's embarrassing ;-). Student applications open on March 18. So ... If you have ideas for improving Mailman 3, whether misfeatures that need fixing or cool new features, please consult our ideas page https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202024 to get an idea of level of detail and style of description needed (and to see if maybe it's already there. You can send them to me if they're already formed in your mind, or send them here for input from users on requirements, or to mailman-developers(a)python.org for input on implementation feasibility and appropriateness for GSoC. If you know anybody who would be interested in participating as a contributor, please encourage them to look at us. Rules are somewhat relaxed from years ago. They still don't accept below college age, but they no longer restrict to students. They're also offering multiple period lengths from 8 to 22 weeks (stipends vary according to period and by price level in country of residence, see https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/student-stipends) They're not as generous as a few years ago, at least for the "rich" countries (US, UK, Japan). You don't need to be an experienced coder or project manager to be a secondary mentor, just willing to communicate with the code contributor. If you're interested in being a primary or secondary mentor, the burden is likely to be "as much as you want". We rarely get more than one good application, and we have enough "default" primary mentors to cover the likely maximum number of slots we could be allocated. It would be very helpful to us and to the PSF organization administrators if you express interest and get signed up by the end of next week, but as far as I know we can add or substitute mentors at any time. Potential mentors should 1. Have a Google account (needed for step 2, and required by GSoC) 2. Sign up with Python-GSoC at https://forms.gle/coJYxhor6FAZcZfU8 3. If you have been a GSoC mentor or org admin in the past, go to https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com and accept the contributor agreement and program rules for 2024. (Definitely if you did last year, probably for 2022 the system still remembers you, and unlikely it has more memory than that.) Steve

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Settings for prevention of spam obfuscation
by Richard Rosner Feb. 26, 2024

Feb. 26, 2024

Are there any settings that may help with making it easier seeing spam as spam? E.g. some mail programs, including Outlook, allow the user to set a from mail address that most mail clients will show instead of the true sender address, but the senders mail address is still present in the sender header field. While some people and companies carelessly abuse that functionality, hiding their true mail address, those bad practices also are abused my spammers and others. Does mailman have any settings that would remove any such obfuscations, e.g. in this case detect the manipulated from address and replace it with the sender address? While I do run my own spam filter, it's virtually getting harder every day to make sure you detect all spam while not having too many false positives. If it was possible to reverse at least the most obvious manipulations, that would probably already help. Also, it would make it much easier for the users to see at first glance who actually wrote an email. It's always less trustworthy if the senders address is shown as user3168(a)suspiciousdomain.gg instead of it being manipulated to say support(a)yourprovider.com.

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Unable to get Postfix to bounce messages to non-existent lists
by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie Feb. 21, 2024

Feb. 21, 2024

We have Mailman working well in our environment, but there's one thing I can't seem to make happen no matter what I try. The situation is as follows: Postfix runs on on a different server than Mailman. Its main.cf says local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps transport_maps = regexp:/var/mailman-data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/var/mailman-data/postfix_domains The file postfix_lmtp is initially generated by Mailman (running on a different machine). A background process creates a version of the file wherein the lmtp IP address is changed to the network IP of the Mailman server, and that version is sync'd over to the Postfix server. On the latter, a typical block for a list then reads as follows (where A.B.C.D is the IP address of the Mailman server): /^some-list(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-bounces(\+.*)?(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-confirm(\+.*)?(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-join(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-leave(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-owner(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-request(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-subscribe(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 /^some-list-unsubscribe(a)lists\.scss\.tcd\.ie$/ lmtp:[A.B.C.D]:8024 The only problem with this is that if someone sends a message to a non-existent mailing list, Postfix nevertheless accepts the mail, and it loiters in the queue for several days before eventually being bounced back to the sender. I want to get Postfix to reject mail to non-existent mailing lists immediately. I've come up short with each variation of main.cf settings I've tried, and would greatly appreciate any advice. Many thanks Stephen Kenny

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Hyperkitty is not archiving due to 405 error - GET instead of POST
by Matthias Feb. 15, 2024

Feb. 15, 2024

Hi there, I am running mailman3 on Debian 12 - latest package (GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer)). Message handling in general is working fine, but as soon as a message is released, archiving with Hyperkitty is not working, due to a 405 error: --- Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) HyperKitty failure on http://lists.domain.tld/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: (405) Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) Could not archive the message with id <170766472771.3479669.4791049109141956450(a)otherdomain.tld> Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list jahrgang.domain.tld, message <170766472771.3479669.4791049109141956450(a)otherdomain.tld>) Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: Feb 11 16:18:48 2024 (3479662) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 158, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 228, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError --- When tracing this back, even the frontend Nginx server receives a get in his logs, hence I assume that hyperkitty is really creating a GET instead of a POST request? --- 217.72.204.162 - - [11/Feb/2024:16:18:48 +0100] "GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive HTTP/1.1" 405 0 "-" "python-requests/2.28.1" --- Any idea how to trace this down any further? Any help is really appreciated! Thanks, Matthias

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Retrieve users from a list
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat Feb. 11, 2024

Feb. 11, 2024

A moderator has deleted all the users from a list, is there a way to recover them?

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add / remove / set moderation bit of non-members via mailman shell
by Zaheer Abbas Feb. 9, 2024

Feb. 9, 2024

I have a situation where I need to add / remove 10-20 non-members to a particular list every week and set the moderation bit to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules). I do the above via postorius because I couldn't find a way to do this via mailman shell. Can anyone help me please to achieve the above? I know how to remove all non-members via /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com for nonmember in m.nonmembers.members: ... nonmember.unsubscribe() ... commit() I am just having difficulties adding the non-members and setting the moderation bit to 'Accept' Currently I am using Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) and Postorius Version 1.2.4 so cant use 'postorius => settings -> message acceptance -> id_accept_these_nonmembers' -- Regards, Zaheer

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Problems with mailman core translation and other details
by celi＠dieese.org.br Feb. 9, 2024

Feb. 9, 2024

Hi. We did a fresh install of the Debian Mailman 3 full package. I'd like all components to be translated into pt_BR. I downloaded the latest updated translations from weblate, which says that 100% of the project (all components) are translated. I checked and recompiled mailman.po with msgfmt without errors. I followed all instructions I saw, included the ones from the topic How to change the language in mailman3 in this list. Everything almost OK, except from the fact that none of mailman's core email messages are being translated, even though mailman.po shows the right messages. Also, strange things happen to these .po files. The web interface is almost perfect, but some messages (just some) are not correct - although the corresponding django.po appears to be OK. It´s the case below: the pair msgid/msgstr seems to be OK, but this particular sentence is not being translated. #: templates/postorius/lists/summary.html:88 #, python-format msgid "" "\n" " To subscribe you can send an email with 'subscribe' in the " "subject to\n" " <a href=\"mailto:%(address)s?subject=Subscribe\">" "%(address)s</a>\n" " or use the form below:\n" " " msgstr "" "\n" " Para se inscrever você pode enviar um e-mail com o assunto " "'subscribe' para\n" " <a href=\"mailto:%(address)s?subject=Subscribe\">" "%(address)s</a>\n" " ou use o formulário abaixo:\n" What am I doing wrong? Or what can I do to make things suitable? Additional info: GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] Postorius v. 1.3.4 HyperKitty v. 1.3.4 Thanx for any help

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Hiding an ML from a site
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 8, 2024

Feb. 8, 2024

I host two MLs on the same server/same MM3 instance. Under the Django Admin interface, I created two sites. I expected that each ML will belong to its own site and should not be visible on another site. On https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mm/lists/, you can see the two lists. How do I stop the "Users" list from showing up on this site ( https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mm/lists/) since it belongs to its own site - https://exim4u.org/mm/lists/ ? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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search this list searches more then just this list
by Marco van Tol Feb. 6, 2024

Feb. 6, 2024

Hi there, We run the following versions: mailman-core: 3.3.9 mailman-core-api: 3.1 mailman-core-python: 3.11.6 hyperkitty: 1.3.8 We have several lists on our server, I will write down a list of example list names that are good enough for the purpose of my question. xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:xx@domain.tld> yy-xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:yy-xx@domain.tld> zz-xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:zz-xx@domain.tld> When I now visit the archives for xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:xx@domain.tld> and enter a search phrase in “search this list”, the results include the other 2 lists. It looks like “search this list” searches for keyword in any listname that matches the one from "this list". Is there a way to really only search “this list” when I go to the archives for xx(a)domain.tld <mailto:xx@domain.tld>? I have tried to change the url for the results to have a ‘^’ in front of the listname, but that gives an error :-) Thanks in advance! Marco van Tol

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Disable all mail capabilities
by Hope Less Feb. 2, 2024

Feb. 2, 2024

I have a decades old list that was abandoned on my server. I upgraded it to mailman3 but it never came back to life. It is causing me some grief. I want to keep the archives up but totally disable any mail capabilities. I have turned off mail for the domain but I still get 'crap' that tries to relay. I've manually tried to remove stuff from the transport tables in Postfix but I still get mail. I'm not sure where the problem lies. If I can't stop this I'll have to remove the list entirely which includes the archives. I really wish to leave the archives up. Any idea on how I can remove the mail capabilities and leave the rest? Thank You.

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after upgrade: OperationalError: no such column: hyperkitty_mailinglist.archive_rendering_mode
by Hans Mayer Jan. 31, 2024

Jan. 31, 2024

Dear All, recently I did a system os upgrade debian 11.8 -> 12.4 / bullseye -> bookworm This did also upgrade Mailman3 version 3.3.3 -> 3.3.8 as a used the packages which came with Debian OS. Initially after the upgrade I had some troubles with the MM3 services to start, but I fixed this. Now almost everything is running. Only the Archives are not working. The browser shows a server error, when I look at the mailman-web.log I see ERROR 2024-01-31 15:14:14,403 2699563 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 423, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) sqlite3.OperationalError: no such column: hyperkitty_mailinglist.archive_rendering_mode When I check the schema I find such a column in table "mailinglist" I assume there is only one solution, to uninstall and delete everything and start from scratch. Or is there a way the check all tables with a script and do an table update for missing columns ? Or a partial installation of hyperkitty, as I don't care about the archives. I am using sqlite3 as DB backend. Kind regards Hans --

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transport map (postfix_lmtp) does not update - new lists not working
by Nils Jan. 29, 2024

Jan. 29, 2024

End of last year, I've re-installed mailman3 using the virtualenv installation method on ubuntu 20.04. Since then, the transport map (/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp) has not been updated even though, new mailing lists were created. The old mailing lists, that existed before the re-installation work perfectly fine but those created after are not accessible. Because the entries for those new lists are missing in the transport map, postfix replies with a "mail for ... loops back to myself" error. I'm quite sure, that I did all the steps in the documentation (except that I use a slightly different apache2 vhost configuration). I double checked on the cronjobs. crontab -u mailman -e @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman notify * * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs minutely 0,15,30,45 * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs quarter_hourly @hourly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs hourly @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily @weekly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs weekly @monthly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs monthly @yearly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs yearly Any idea, what I could have missed??? Kind regards, Nils

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Fresh installation mailman3-suite via "pipx" - any experiences yet?
by Wikinaut Jan. 27, 2024

Jan. 27, 2024

I recently found the "pipx" wrapper very useful and wanted to ask you if this could be facilitate the fresh installation of the mailman3-suite. Has anyone in the list already experiences installing mailman and mailmanweg through "pipx"? Here are my general tipps for using pipx # https://pipx.pypa.io/stable/installation/#on-linux sudo apt install pipx python3-venv To install a package systemwide for all users, I recommend the tip from https://github.com/pypa/pipx/issues/754#issuecomment-951162846 . sudo PIPX_HOME=/opt/pipx PIPX_BIN_DIR=/usr/local/bin pipx install <package>

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Single Click Unsubscribe
by J D Jan. 26, 2024

Jan. 26, 2024

I know this has been discussed in the past: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… However, Google has recently announced that they will be enforcing one-click unsubscribe for bulk senders: https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/03/gmail-to-enforce-harsher-rules-in-2024-to… Thoughts?

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mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 24, 2024

Jan. 24, 2024

Running an install on Debian12 VM. Getting a new error message that I haven't seen previously: (venv) mailman@debian12:~$ mailman-web compress Compressing... Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html: Invalid block tag on line 7: 'element', expected 'endblock'. Did you forget to register or load this tag? Invalid template account/verified_email_required.html: Invalid block tag on line 7: 'element', expected 'endblock'. Did you forget to register or load this tag? Error parsing template socialaccount/signup.html: socialaccount/base.html done Compressed 2 block(s) from 78 template(s) for 1 context(s). -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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share directories between postfix and mailman 3
by Thomas Schachtner Jan. 24, 2024

Jan. 24, 2024

Hi there, I think I have (finally) set up a working instance of mailman 3 on a host separate from the companion postfix mail server actually sending out the mails. One server (postfix) is directly in the internet and the other one is in an internal network not directly reachable from the internet (but connected using a reverse proxy). The services on the hosts are available to one another (i. e. the postfix server is reachable using 127.0.0.1:25 from mailman and mailman is reachable using 127.0.0.1:8024 from postfix using a permanent ssh tunnel betwenn the two hosts). I think that this solution could work quite reliably... (at least I hope so.) But that's not the full deal. Postfix needs access to some hashed configuration files containing the transport maps and the domains of the mailman installation, and mailman needs the contents of the postfix configuration file. As a quick and dirty solution, I've established a process which periodically copies the /var/lib/mailman3 directory from the mailman box to the postfix box using rsync. But I would like to have a more professional solution, like a directly shared directory between both. I did not yet find any suggestions on how to achieve this. Are there any best practices recommendations? I already tried sharing the directories using sshfs, but that did not work. I connected the remote directory postfix.example.com:/var/lib/mailman3 to my local directory /var/lib/mailman3 using sshfs root@postfix.example.com:/var/lib/mailman3 /var/lib/mailman3 This seemed to work pretty fine, as all files and directories seemed to be available, but when starting mailman 3, the following error message was shown: FileExistsError: A race condition might have happened. /var/lib/mailman3 actually exists and is not a directory. Any idea why this message is shown? So, is it a bad idea to use sshfs? Do I have to install an NFS server? But I am not sure if sharing directories using NFS across the Internet is a good idea... Any suggestions? Best regards Tom

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Re: Process on migrating mailman
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 24, 2024

Jan. 24, 2024

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 4:22 AM Mark Labeste <marqueejen13(a)gmail.com> wrote: > About 500 list. Not sure how to check size of the archives. > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 4:44 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mark Labeste <marqueejen13(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Any suggestion on how to migrate mailing list and archirve with >>> diffirent server and domain. For the mailing list from >>> sample.domain1.example.com to sample.domain2.example.com >>> >>> Old Mailing list >>> Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.5 (Tom Sawyer) >>> Mailman Core API Version 3.1 >>> Mailman Core Python Version 3.6.8 (default, Sep 26 2019, 11:57:09) >>> [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-39)] >>> Domain Domain1.example.com >>> >>> New Mailing list >>> Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) >>> Mailman Core API Version 3.1 >>> Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.18 (main, Sep 22 2023, 17:58:34) >>> [GCC 8.5.0 20210514 (Red Hat 8.5.0-20)] >>> Domain domain2.example.com >> >> >> >> How many lists? How big are the archives? >> >> Looking at >> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…, >> it seems like it's not a trivial exercise. >> >> However, I am wondering about the consequences of: >> 1. dumping the DBs and doing 's/DOMAIN1/DOMAIN2/g' in the dumps, then >> re-importing >> 2. editing settings.py and webserver config to reflect the DOMAIN2 >> 3. reconfiguring your MTA to handle list mails using the DOMAIN2 >> >> I am imagining a virtualenv type of installation. >> > The archives are in the database so nothing to worry about, Now that I think about this again, after dumping and importing the database as shown above, you need to rerun the 'mailman-web migrate` once again to import any DB schema changes between the versions. Actually, just run all the options from https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… . -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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log rotation for bounce.log
by Quanah Gibson-Mount Jan. 22, 2024

Jan. 22, 2024

I noticed that our smtp.log and bounce.log files haven't been rotated in years. I see the reason for smtp.log not being rotated is due to <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/931>. Does this same issue affect bounce.log or is it safe to rotate similar to mailman.log?

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Extract a list of the lists and the administrators who manage it
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat Jan. 22, 2024

Jan. 22, 2024

Hello, Is there a way to extract all the lists and show the administrators who manage those lists? Thanks!

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emails to list missing from archive after upgrade
by Quanah Gibson-Mount Jan. 19, 2024

Jan. 19, 2024

So next issue post upgrade: I sent three emails to one of the lists today. All of them went to the list, as I got copies of each one, and the headers clearly show them coming from the list. However, when I go look at the archives for the list, they don't show up at all. And it's been over 8 hours since I sent them. --Quanah

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Delivery to mail@domain.tld failed with code 444, [Errno 111] Connection refused
by christopher.claus＠tgcamberg1848.de Jan. 19, 2024

Jan. 19, 2024

Hi together, I´m using Mailman3.3.9 and postfix in docker containers seperatly. Everything worked fine since this afternoon. The error occurs, after postfix transports an incoming mail to mailman. After processing the mail, sending to all recepients failed >> Delivery to mail(a)domain.tld failed with code 444, [Errno 111] Connection refused I checked the configuration of postfix and added a wide IP-range to mynetworks: postfix-main.cf mynetworks = mailman-core tgc_mailman_core t 127.0.0.0/8 [::1]/128 [fe80::]/64 172.18.0.0/16 172.21.0.0/16 [2001:8d8:1800:283]/64 172.0.0.0/24 relay_domains = $mydestination #smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_unknown_sender_domain,reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_unknown_sender_domain smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject_unauth_destination smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/filtered_domains permit_mynetworks reject_unauth_destination smtpd_data_restrictions = reject_unauth_pipelining Does anyone have a clue for me as to why delivery to Postfix is failing? My last change a couple of days ago was adding an public ipv6-address to the host. But docker still works without IPv6. I thought about client-identification issues between maiolman-core and postfix but did noch find anything to fix ... Best regards, Christopher

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moving list from mm3 -> mm3
by Jens Günther Jan. 19, 2024

Jan. 19, 2024

Hey there, I'm still trying to figure out, how to move a bunch of lists from one mm3-instance to another. If somebody has a working solution, I would be really glad to hear from it. I came across this thread, but I don't think it tackles my question: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… (or maybe I missed the right parts) We have equal setups and versions: - maxxking docker install 0.4.5 - Core 3.3.8 - API 3.1 - Postorius 1.3.8 ## Config So I found the possibility to get the config of a list via REST-API: curl -u restadmin:restpass localhost:8001/3.1/lists/$short.$domain/config | jq > short.domain This is a nice collection of the configuration of a certain list. Does anybody know how I would get this data back to the newly created list in the second working mm3-instance? Shouldn't it be possible via POST command? I thought of something like: curl -u restadmin:restpass -d @short.domain -H "Content-Type: application/json" localhost:8001/3.1/lists/&short.&domain/config But it returns {"title": "405 Method Not Allowed"} and I don't know where to look in the docs, since it shows almost always a way through mailman shell. Here I found something about POST: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… -> but how would it work exactly? ## Members, moderators, owners To export all members I normally run within mm-core-container as user mailman the following command: mailman members &short.&domain > &short.txt To fill them back in, it can be done in Postorius (or is there a way through API?). What I would love to know is how to get out Owners of the corresponding lists and reimport them in the new one (which will be the same at the end :-D but different instance). ## registered users This part is somehow tricky, since I have no clue how to do it. Some of the mailinglist-admins don't want to bother their list-owners again with registering newly on the other system. Is there a way to export all users (I think I found them in the DB in the table auth_users, somehow in combination with account_emailaddress) and get them over to the new instance (actually I just need part of them, but that's another question that I might solve lateron on my own). Maybe the answer is already here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… -> but can somebody help to get this working (import/export)? Thank you in advance, I hope it's not too much or too nooby :-) Jens.

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All users getting disabled after upgrade of mailman3
by Quanah Gibson-Mount Jan. 19, 2024

Jan. 19, 2024

Hello, We just upgraded our mailman to the latest provided from Debian bookworm (I know, not the recommended installation method). Now everyone's having their addresses disabled due to "bounce" errors. This is odd, because I'm disabled, even though I received the 2 emails I sent to the list today (and that's the only list traffic today). I used the mailman shell command from <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> to see who has been disabled. I had to make one fix to it, it should be m.list_name not mlist.list_name. Confirmed that dozens of valid users have had their sub disabled. In the logs I see: Jan 18 19:25:17 2024 (952) Member quanah(a)fast-mail.org on list openldap-technical.openldap.org, bounce score = 1. Jan 18 19:37:11 2024 (952) Member quanah(a)fast-mail.org on list openldap-technical.openldap.org, bounce score = 2. Jan 18 19:37:11 2024 (952) Disabling delivery for quanah(a)fast-mail.org on list openldap-technical.openldap.org by bounce Jan 18 19:37:11 2024 (952) Member quanah(a)fast-mail.org on list openldap-technical.openldap.org, bounce score 2 >= threshold 2, disabling delivery. Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) handling connection Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Data: b'LHLO hypatia.openldap.org' Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<openldap-commit-bounces(a)openldap.org>' Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) sender: openldap-commit-bounces(a)openldap.org Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Data: b'RCPT TO:<openldap-commit-owner(a)openldap.org>' Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) recip: openldap-commit-owner(a)openldap.org Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Data: b'DATA' Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) Data: b'QUIT' Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) ('127.0.0.1', 36100) connection lost Jan 18 10:05:42 2024 (938) Connection lost during _handle_client() Jan 18 10:05:45 2024 (940) <170557233590.937.7274928299237969540(a)hypatia.openldap.org> post to openldap-commit(a)openldap.org from openldap-commit-owner(a)openldap.org, 20265 bytes Jan 18 10:42:20 2024 (803) <170557453971.798.17359529178123532376(a)hypatia.openldap.org> low level smtp error: [Errno 111] Connection refused Jan 18 10:42:20 2024 (803) <170557453971.798.17359529178123532376(a)hypatia.openldap.org> delivery to quanah(a)openldap.org failed with code 444, [Errno 111] Connection refused But... postfix is working fine, and I've had hundreds of emails generated *by* mailman about it disabling people due to bounces. Thoughts on how to proceed appreciated. Regards, Quanah

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Splitting hosts: mta&core vs postorius
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Jan. 18, 2024

Jan. 18, 2024

I'm trying to set up mailman3 on two hosts, one of which runs core + exim, the other runs postorius (&possibly hyperkitty). I have I think got core set up correctly, and postorius is sort of usable, but anything in the web ui that talks to core ends up with a white screen. I think what is happening is a postorius URL ends up with the core (or perhaps no) hostname, and as there's nothing there to answer it fails. I've checked the settings and I don't think I have misconfigured postorius. Is it possible that the bad url is being passed from core to postorius in some way and reused without changing the host? In the config at present, both hosts are visible to the browser, and each host can communicate with the other. Any ideas on how to pin down the problem better? Ruth

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Process on migrating mailman
by Mark Labeste Jan. 18, 2024

Jan. 18, 2024

Any suggestion on how to migrate mailing list and archirve with diffirent server and domain. For the mailing list from sample.domain1.example.com to sample.domain2.example.com Old Mailing list Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.5 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.6.8 (default, Sep 26 2019, 11:57:09) [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-39)] Domain Domain1.example.com New Mailing list Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.18 (main, Sep 22 2023, 17:58:34) [GCC 8.5.0 20210514 (Red Hat 8.5.0-20)] Domain domain2.example.com

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how to migrate mailing lists to a new domain using mailman 3
by C. Souza Jan. 18, 2024

Jan. 18, 2024

In a few days my current domain will be disabled (it is out of my control) and I would like to know how to migrate the mailing lists to the new domain name. As a solution I added a new domain in mailman 3 and created a script that replicates the lists in this new domain. To forward the emails received by the old lists, the script removes the members and adds the email of the new list. Is there a fashionable way to do that? Also, one problem that I don't have a solution is the archive of the old lists. How to bring them to the new ones? Thanks for your help. My mailing list server is running on a CenOS-7x with postgreSQL and the following mailman packages: Package Version ------------------- ---------- 1 aiosmtpd 1.2.4 2 alembic 1.5.3 3 arrow 0.17.0 4 asgiref 3.3.1 5 atpublic 2.1.2 6 authheaders 0.13.0 7 authres 1.2.0 8 bleach 3.3.0 9 blessed 1.17.12 10 certifi 2020.12.5 11 cffi 1.14.4 12 chardet 4.0.0 13 click 7.1.2 14 cmarkgfm 0.5.2 15 cryptography 3.3.1 16 decorator 4.4.2 17 defusedxml 0.6.0 18 Django 3.0.12 19 django-allauth 0.44.0 20 django-appconf 1.0.4 21 django-compressor 2.4 22 django-extensions 3.1.0 23 django-gravatar2 1.4.4 24 django-haystack 3.0 25 django-mailman3 1.3.5 26 django-picklefield 3.0.1 27 django-q 1.3.4 28 djangorestframework 3.12.2 29 dkimpy 1.0.5 30 dnspython 2.1.0 31 docutils 0.16 32 falcon 2.0.0 33 flufl.bounce 3.0.1 34 flufl.i18n 2.0.2 35 flufl.lock 3.2 36 gunicorn 20.0.4 37 HyperKitty 1.3.3 38 idna 2.10 39 importlib-resources 5.1.0 40 lazr.config 2.2.3 41 lazr.delegates 2.0.4 42 mailman 3.3.2 43 mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 44 mailman-web 0.0.3 45 mailmanclient 3.3.2 46 Mako 1.1.4 47 MarkupSafe 1.1.1 48 networkx 2.5 49 nose 1.3.7 50 oauthlib 3.1.0 51 packaging 20.9 52 passlib 1.7.4 53 pip 21.0.1 54 postorius 1.3.3 55 psycopg2-binary 2.8.6 56 publicsuffix2 2.20191221 57 pycparser 2.20 58 Pygments 2.7.4 59 PyJWT 2.0.1 60 pyparsing 2.4.7 61 python-dateutil 2.8.1 62 python-editor 1.0.4 63 python3-openid 3.2.0 64 pytz 2021.1 65 rcssmin 1.0.6 66 readme-renderer 28.0 67 requests 2.25.1 68 requests-oauthlib 1.3.0 69 rjsmin 1.1.0 70 robot-detection 0.4 71 setuptools 39.2.0 72 six 1.15.0 73 SQLAlchemy 1.3.23 74 sqlparse 0.4.1 75 typing-extensions 3.7.4.3 76 urllib3 1.26.3 77 uWSGI 2.0.19.1 78 wcwidth 0.2.5 79 webencodings 0.5.1 80 wheel 0.36.2 81 Whoosh 2.7.4 82 zipp 3.4.0 83 zope.component 4.6.2 84 zope.configuration 4.4.0 85 zope.deferredimport 4.3.1 86 zope.deprecation 4.4.0 87 zope.event 4.5.0 88 zope.hookable 5.0.1 89 zope.i18nmessageid 5.0.1 90 zope.interface 5.2.0 91 zope.proxy 4.3.5 92 zope.schema 6.0.1 -- Carlos Souza

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Postorius and some CSS issue?
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 12, 2024

Jan. 12, 2024

Happy New Year to you too all. MM3 installed today using the virtualenv method. On my testbench, I am having this strange issue where the Postorius is not displaying correctly perhaps because of some CSS issue - or just my own hangovers! I have used the standard method as documented. The error I get: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dhvsHFG4jH/ -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Loops back to myself
by David Krantz Jan. 12, 2024

Jan. 12, 2024

Hi, I have a problem with my Mailman 3-setup. The symptom is that postfix rejects non-existing addresses for my list domains with <adr(a)example.com>: mail for example.com loops back to myself What I guess happens happens is that postfix for some reason accepts the mail as it is for a relay domain and finds that it is not deliverable locally as the address does not exist locally and then tries to relay it on to the appropriate MX server, which is itself and then fails and generates a bounce message. This is a bit annoying as I have set up postfix to only accept valid addresses. I have set the transport_maps, local_recipient_maps and relay_domains to the files generated by MM3. I run an older version of MM3 (3.0) but prefer to fix this without upgrading as upgrading is a relatively big undertaking. This is mostly a backscatter problem for spam I guess. Any ideas of very simple and easy to forget things that I've probably missed? Cheers // David

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Review requested for some merge requests
by Stephen J. Turnbull Jan. 10, 2024

Jan. 10, 2024

Reply-To set to Mailman Developers. Please check that your replies go there. Or you can comment on MRs directly if you have a GitLab login. I have three merge requests pending: [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1159 [2] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1160 [3] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1161 [1] fixes the logging initialization bug that prevented the `smtp` log from rotating properly, and maybe some others. I don't think it needs user review because it's a pure bugfix, but if you're curious and take a look, and you think it needs better documentation let me know. [2] adds a configuration variable `lmtp_max_size`. This is user-visible, so review of the documentation in docs/mta.rst and config/mailman.cfg for clarity and readability would be appreciated. [3] adds postfix-pgsql support for use of the PostgreSQL database to route Mailman traffic. It's really most useful in an edge case (migration of 10,000+ list Mailman 2 instances), but it's theoretically attractive on the principle of "single source of truth", and possibly for implementing a "microservices" style cloud instance (it eliminates the need for Mailman and Postfix to share a file system). Besides opinions on the value of the general idea I have two specific questions: - Postfix docs recommend not looking up domains in the database to reduce load on the database server. But on a dedicated Mailman system, you're going to be looking up pretty much everything twice anyway (once to check for local recipient and once to fetch the transport), and my experience so far is that this isn't a big load on Postgres, and it's not a drag on list traffic distribution. Should I implement domain lookup in Postgres? Should it be optional if the lists are being looked up in Postgres? - The current patch completely disables generation of the postfix_lmtp alias file, even for the `mailman aliases` command. Should I implement an option to force generation of the files for documentation (and maybe a backup in a very rare and contorted situation where Mailman can see Postgres but Postfix can't)? Thanks, Steve

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Mailman 3 Core user assistance
by Tony Deshields Jan. 10, 2024

Jan. 10, 2024

I currently have a docker mailman stack that utilizes Django LDAP backend for authentication. I have my users attributes mapped as you see below in my settings.py file. Whenever a user logs into postorius with their 'uid', mailman-core uses their 'uid' as their email address instead of the 'email' attribute. Is there anyway to change this functionality? I would like my users to be able to login with their enterprise uid but be mapped to their email but I feel like there is a disconnect between Django and MM3 core. Any assistance is much appreciated. AUTH_LDAP_USER_ATTR_MAP = { "uid" : "userPrincipalName", "first_name": "givenName", "last_name": "sn", "email" : "mail", }

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Docker mailman image can't access https://publicsuffix.org/
by bob B Jan. 9, 2024

Jan. 9, 2024

Thanks so it looks like Mailman can not get to publicsuffix. The wrinkle is I am running maxking's docker version. The host can get there, but not from the docker image. Any idea to to configure that? and this only comes into play when I set the dmarc settings.

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The 'flufl.lock>=5.1' distribution was not found, but flufl.lock 8.0.2 was installed
by Nils Jan. 8, 2024

Jan. 8, 2024

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The doubled entries issue
by Lars Bjørndal Jan. 7, 2024

Jan. 7, 2024

I've got the problem Multiple rows were found when one or none was required. I found the issue and a script here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/657 I did su - mailman3 and ran: python scriptname.py and got: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman3/fix-doubled-entries.py", line 21, in <module> listmgr = get_list_manager() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman3/fix-doubled-entries.py", line 6, in get_list_manager return getUtility(IListManager) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py ", line 180, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) zope.interface.interfaces.ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass mailman.interfa ces.listmanager.IListManager>, '') (venv) 1[mailman3@dalen ~]$ Do I miss something? How can I fix the problem? Thanks, Lars

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Archive import fails: "IndexError: list index out of range"
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 6, 2024

Jan. 6, 2024

I am now importing the archives of my old mailman2 installation. Unfortunately, with some of the larger and older lists, import fails halfway through, with an exception, the last message of which is IndexError: list index out of range Below is an example. This means that the last few years are missing from the archive in several lists. Are there any suggestions what I could do to still get them importet? Thanks! Johannes File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2069, in get_msg_id token, value = get_dot_atom_text(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1334, in get_dot_atom_text raise errors.HeaderParseError("expected atom at a start of " email.errors.HeaderParseError: expected atom at a start of dot-atom-text but found '@localhost>' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 37, in main execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 402, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 448, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 387, in handle importer.from_mbox(mbfile, report_name) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/hyperkitty_import.py", line 212, in from_mbox progress_marker.tick(unquote(message.get("message-id", 'n/a'))) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/message.py", line 471, in get return self.policy.header_fetch_parse(k, v) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/policy.py", line 163, in header_fetch_parse return self.header_factory(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 607, in __call__ return self[name](name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 202, in __new__ cls.parse(value, kwds) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/headerregistry.py", line 535, in parse kwds['parse_tree'] = parse_tree = cls.value_parser(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2126, in parse_message_id token, value = get_msg_id(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2073, in get_msg_id token, value = get_obs_local_part(value) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1516, in get_obs_local_part if (obs_local_part[0].token_type == 'dot' or IndexError: list index out of range

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Not receiving email from outlook or gmail.
by Mark Labeste Jan. 5, 2024

Jan. 5, 2024

From mailman web it was able to deliver the email to outlook and gmail but when replying or confirming subcription it can't reach the mailman. This error is bounce back from outlook. Server at destination.email.com (192.10.10.10) returned '400 4.4.7 Message delayed' 1/4/2024 12:16:13 PM - Server at destination.email.com (192.10.10.10) returned '451 4.4.397 Error communicating with target host. -> 421 4.2.1 Unable to connect -> SocketTimedout: Socket error code 10060 Thanks, mARK

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Programmatically modify Thread-Topic *before* message is sent out the door?
by Thomas Ward Jan. 3, 2024

Jan. 3, 2024

We use a custom plugin to do numeric thread stamping, which has been working well in the code system. However, it was discovered by Microsoft that Microsoft Outlook and OWA prioritize the Thread-Topic header over the Subject header, which results in the oddness we've experienced in MS365 clients in testing. During our tasks though a custom handler goes through during the pipeline and modifies the Subject field accordingly, adding a thread tag to it. While this is 'fragile' it does work; the only problem is that Thread-Topic doesn't get altered. Programmatically, how would we alter the Thread-Topic during the handler's processing to prepend the corresponding prefix/tag so that when the message actually goes out the door it is properly sending with the modified Thread-Topic? Thomas

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REST API for list owners/moderators
by mathias＠koerber.org Jan. 3, 2024

Jan. 3, 2024

Does Mailman 3 have an REST API that allows list-owners/moderators to perform list-management functions without having access to the whole server/other lists etc? ie, an API that uses the same credentials as Postorious but allows mass-subscription/un-subscription/membership-export etc and changes to list settings, membership settings (mod etc) via REST or python? The documentation seems to only indicate a single one-admin-user REST API that should not even be accessible from outside?

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Message getting shunted with enabling Dmarc replace with list address
by bob B Jan. 3, 2024

Jan. 3, 2024

So we host a mailing list for domain X, the MX record points to us, we are domain y. If we have Dmarc set to "no dmarc mitigations" I can send a message from my email in domain Y and it goes to the list in domain x and is processed and sent out. If I set the dmarc to "replace with list address". the same message gets shunted. I included the logs below Not sure why it is trying to contact publicsuffix.org? ************* /mailman/core/var/logs/mailman.log Jan 02 20:41:50 2024 (29) No cached copy of the public suffix list found Jan 02 20:41:55 2024 (29) Uncaught runner exception: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='publicsuffix.org', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /list/public_suffix_list.dat (Caused by ConnectTimeoutError(<urllib3.connection.HTTPSConnection object at 0x7f8b38d318a0>, 'Connection to publicsuffix.org timed out. (connect timeout=5)')) Jan 02 20:41:55 2024 (29) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 174, in _new_conn conn = connection.create_connection( File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/urllib3/util/connection.py", line 95, in create_connection raise err File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/urllib3/util/connection.py", line 85, in create_connection sock.connect(sa) TimeoutError: timed out During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 703, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 386, in _make_request self._validate_conn(conn) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 1042, in _validate_conn conn.connect() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 358, in connect self.sock = conn = self._new_conn() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 179, in _new_conn raise ConnectTimeoutError( urllib3.exceptions.ConnectTimeoutError: (<urllib3.connection.HTTPSConnection object at 0x7f8b38d318a0>, 'Connection to publicsuffix.org timed out. (connect timeout=5)') During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 489, in send resp = conn.urlopen( File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 787, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 592, in increment raise MaxRetryError(_pool, url, error or ResponseError(cause)) urllib3.exceptions.MaxRetryError: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='publicsuffix.org', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /list/public_suffix_list.dat (Caused by ConnectTimeoutError(<urllib3.connection.HTTPSConnection object at 0x7f8b38d318a0>, 'Connection to publicsuffix.org timed out. (connect timeout=5)')) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 272, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/runners/incoming.py", line 80, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, start_chain) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/chains.py", line 57, in process if link.rule.check(mlist, msg, msgdata): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 316, in check if maybe_mitigate(mlist, address): File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 292, in maybe_mitigate org_dom = get_organizational_domain(from_domain) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 142, in get_organizational_domain parse_suffix_list() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 109, in parse_suffix_list filename = ensure_current_suffix_list() File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 77, in ensure_current_suffix_list content = get(config.dmarc.org_domain_data_url) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 39, in get response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 73, in get return request("get", url, params=params, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 59, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 587, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 701, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 553, in send raise ConnectTimeout(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ConnectTimeout: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='publicsuffix.org', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /list/public_suffix_list.dat (Caused by ConnectTimeoutError(<urllib3.connection.HTTPSConnection object at 0x7f8b38d318a0>, 'Connection to publicsuffix.org timed out. (connect timeout=5)')) Jan 02 20:41:55 2024 (29) SHUNTING: 1704228115.0417743+619bfacfe7e6d030991468aa2707d065418c56e5

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Editing the "example.org" site
by Stephen J. Turnbull Jan. 3, 2024

Jan. 3, 2024

Hi all, I don't know how many people will need this, but I just realized that you can edit Django's SITE 1 and (probably, 100% untested but I'm going on the clock so want to get this done quick :-) use that. When you add your first domain, there's a link in that page (not a button, a link!) to edit the domain list. Then you can click on the link to "example.org" in the list, and edit both display name (which I assumed) and the domain name. Maybe I'm just slow, but I've been adding SITE 2 = "Whatever site <whatever.tld>" the whole time. :-) But then you have to edit the SITE = 1 statement in settings.py (which I often forget and hilarity ensues). Of course adding a web site and editing settings.py (which you have to do anyway for other variables) works too, but this seems cleaner to me. Steve

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Can't edit lists anymore: "Something went wrong HTTP Error 404"
by Nils Dec. 30, 2023

Dec. 30, 2023

When I try to edit any list at "postorius/lists/LISTNAME.SUBDOMAIN.DOMAIN.TLD/", I get this error. The lists are displayed correctly at "postorius/lists/". Selecting any of those lists leads to that error. First step of creating a new list is possible but I get the same error right after the creation of the new list. These lines in the mailman.log seem suspicious: Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/lists/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD/member/USERNAME%40DOMAIN.TLD HTTP/1.1" *404* 26 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/fa17aa7aa1e946b6a72706b48ddbc14b/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" *404* 26 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "POST /3.1/users/fa17aa7aa1e946b6a72706b48ddbc14b/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" *404* 26 Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.12 (main, Nov 20 2023, 15:14:05) [GCC 11.4.0] Postorius Version 1.3.5 Here are the full logs of this event: mailman3/web/mailman-web.log ERROR 2023-12-29 11:59:30,571 2416033 postorius Un-handled exception: HTTP Error 404: {"title": "404 Not Found"} Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 181, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 70, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/generic.py", line 74, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 98, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 301, in get primary_email = set_preferred(request.user, mm_user) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/utils.py", line 77, in set_preferred mm_user.preferred_address = primary_email.email File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/user.py", line 57, in __setattr__ super(User, self).__setattr__(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 131, in __setattr__ return super(RESTObject, self).__setattr__(name, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/user.py", line 145, in preferred_address response, content = self._connection.call(url, {'email': email}) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 160, in call raise HTTPError(params.get('url'), response.status_code, urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: {"title": "404 Not Found"} WARNING 2023-12-29 11:59:30,580 2416033 django.request Not Found: /postorius/lists/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD/ WARNING 2023-12-29 11:59:30,580 2416033 django.request Not Found: /postorius/lists/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD/ [pid: 2416033|app: 0|req: 9/9] 2003:ca:bf1d:b000:efc2:8dfa:6fd:715f () {72 vars in 1618 bytes} [Fri Dec 29 11:59:30 2023] GET /postorius/lists/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD/ => generated 6285 bytes in 466 msecs (HTTP/1.1 404) 7 headers in 227 bytes (1 switches on core 0) mailman3/mailman.log Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/lists/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD HTTP/1.1" 200 384 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/lists/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 640 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/lists/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD/roster/moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/lists/testliste(a)lists.DOMAIN.TLD/config HTTP/1.1" 200 2132 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/lists/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD/archivers HTTP/1.1" 200 61 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/lists/testliste(a)lists.DOMAIN.TLD/requests?request_type=subscription HTTP/1.1" 200 90 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/lists/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD/member/USERNAME%40DOMAIN.TLD HTTP/1.1" 404 26 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/fa17aa7aa1e946b6a72706b48ddbc14b HTTP/1.1" 200 286 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/users/fa17aa7aa1e946b6a72706b48ddbc14b/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 26 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.1/addresses/USERNAME(a)DOMAIN.TLD HTTP/1.1" 200 369 Dec 29 11:59:30 2023 (6255) 127.0.0.1 - - "POST /3.1/users/fa17aa7aa1e946b6a72706b48ddbc14b/preferred_address HTTP/1.1" 404 26 Kind regards

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"From address" for list moderation notification
by ronn.ramirez＠pge.com Dec. 30, 2023

Dec. 30, 2023

Hi Mailman Group, I noticed that the from address for list moderation notifications are coming from a certain user address. May you please help me figure out where to change this? In this example, I would like to change the From address "listadmin(a)domain.com" ================================================================ -----Original Message----- From: Admin <listadmin(a)domain.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 12:00 AM To: dummy-list <dummy-list(a)domainx.com> Subject: The dummy-list(a)domainx.com list has 2 moderation requests waiting. The dummy-list(a)domainx.com list has 2 moderation requests waiting. Held Messages: Sender: user1(a)domain.com Subject: You missed a call | Transcription Available . Reason: The message is not from a list member Sender: user2(a)domain.com Subject: Update/Access Required Notice on Friday, September 29, 2023 Reason: The message is not from a list member Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. =================================================================

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Again, after systemupgrade the log file in /var/log/mailman was owned by list:list instead of mailman:mailman and starting failed for this reason [support request]
by Wikinaut Dec. 28, 2023

Dec. 28, 2023

I made for a repeated time (after system update and/or system reboot) the experience,that my mailman3 installation fails to start because of permission error to write the log file. For some unknown reason, an empty file /var/og/mailman/mailman.log was apparently owned by list:list. I deleted that file and mailman3 core could now be started. The start problem i solved. I asked myself and you, how can this happen for many times? Has anyone an idea what the reason could be? There is still a user list from a previous mailman3 installation, where I assigned the (former user for mailman2), but I suppose the problem is a different problem than a simple user definition. The other log files are always correctly assigned to mailman:mailman <pre> -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 7487 Dec 22 18:21 bounce.log 0 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 0 Oct 8 22:46 debug.log 4 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1909 Dec 24 09:10 mailman.log 57448 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 58820418 Dec 24 09:00 mailman.log.1 108 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 108407 Oct 24 12:18 mailman.log.2.gz 0 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 0 Oct 8 22:46 plugins.log 232 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 229585 Dec 24 09:10 smtp.log 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 20 00:00 <font color="#729FCF"><b>web</b></font> </pre>

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subscribing to a list from a WordPress site
by Johannes Rohr Dec. 25, 2023

Dec. 25, 2023

Dear all, is there a wordpress plugin/widget allowing visitors to subscribe to a mailman3 hosted mailing list? Else, what is the most convenient way? Sure, I could just link to the maiman site, but since joining a list is as easy as sending mail to LISTNAME-join, there should be a simple way to impement this. What is the best practice? Cheers, Johannes

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Function "Mass subscription" does not allow any more the format `"Givenname Familyname" <mailaddress>`
by Wikinaut Dec. 22, 2023

Dec. 22, 2023

Wheras my older lists handled these format apparently correctly, I now cannot add any more "Givenname Familyname" <mailaddress> ; or Givenname Familyname <mailaddress> In any of these cases, only the part <mailaddress> is added. Is this strange behaviour know? What can be done to have the correct function back to working again?

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django-allauth failures, but only for some users (independent of browser?)
by Jered Floyd Dec. 22, 2023

Dec. 22, 2023

Django-allauth seems to just be a basket of woes, but I figured I'd toss this one out there to see if anyone has seen similar: I have Google and Facebook social logins configured. They work fine for me. They work fine for most people. Huzzah! For some people, even when they use different browsers/OSes/etc, attempting a social login generates an error. On the callback, they get "Server error" "An error occurred while processing your request." These errors are generated to me as the admin, and in the elided environment section SITE_ID is indeed 0, but I'm at a loss to imagine why this happens only sometimes! Any pointers for investigation? --Jered Internal Server Error: /accounts/google/login/callback/ ImproperlyConfigured at /accounts/google/login/callback/ You're using the Django "sites framework" without having set the SITE_ID setting. Create a site in your database and set the SITE_ID setting or pass a request to Site.objects.get_current() to fix this error. [...] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 56, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/oauth2/views.py", line 84, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/oauth2/views.py", line 162, in dispatch return complete_social_login(request, login) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/helpers.py", line 197, in complete_social_login sociallogin.lookup() File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/models.py", line 282, in lookup provider_id = self.account.get_provider().id File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/models.py", line 141, in get_provider provider = self._provider = adapter.get_provider( File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/adapter.py", line 204, in get_provider app = self.get_app(request, provider=provider) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/adapter.py", line 284, in get_app apps = self.list_apps(request, provider=provider, client_id=client_id) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/adapter.py", line 231, in list_apps db_apps = SocialApp.objects.on_site(request) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/models.py", line 27, in on_site site = get_current_site(request) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/shortcuts.py", line 16, in get_current_site return Site.objects.get_current(request) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/models.py", line 63, in get_current raise ImproperlyConfigured( Exception Type: ImproperlyConfigured at /accounts/google/login/callback/ Exception Value: You're using the Django "sites framework" without having set the SITE_ID setting. Create a site in your database and set the SITE_ID setting or pass a request to Site.objects.get_current() to fix this error. Raised during: allauth.socialaccount.providers.oauth2.views.view [... internal state elided ...]

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mailman3-web generating huge amount of error logs
by Helio Loureiro Dec. 22, 2023

Dec. 22, 2023

Hi, Now my finished installation is generating a lot of errors and filling up /var/log/syslog 1GB in a few hours. The errors are like this one: Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: --- Logging error --- Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 356, in pusher Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1]) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 25, in loads Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: return signing.loads( Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 35, in loads Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: base64d = force_bytes(TimestampSigner(key, salt=salt).unsign(s, max_age=max_age)) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 70, in unsign Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: result = super(TimestampSigner, self).unsign(value) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 55, in unsign Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: raise BadSignature('Signature "%s" does not match' % sig) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: django.core.signing.BadSignature: Signature "ofwl5GkP2_1nDnfM8-vAjAwl_Ss" does not match Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 1100, in emit Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: msg = self.format(record) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 943, in format Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: return fmt.format(record) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 678, in format Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: record.message = record.getMessage() Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/logging/__init__.py", line 368, in getMessage Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: msg = msg % self.args Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: Call stack: Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module> Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: sys.exit(main()) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py", line 90, in main Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: utility.execute() Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 407, in run_from_argv Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 453, in execute Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: output = self.handle(*args, **options) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/management/commands/qcluster.py", line 22, in handle Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: q.start() Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 78, in start Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self.sentinel.start() Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 121, in start Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self._popen = self._Popen(self) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 224, in _Popen Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: return _default_context.get_context().Process._Popen(process_obj) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 281, in _Popen Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: return Popen(process_obj) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 19, in __init__ Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self._launch(process_obj) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 71, in _launch Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: code = process_obj._bootstrap(parent_sentinel=child_r) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 314, in _bootstrap Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self.run() Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 108, in run Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 168, in __init__ Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self.start() Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 172, in start Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self.spawn_cluster() Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 248, in spawn_cluster Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self.pusher = self.spawn_pusher() Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 201, in spawn_pusher Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: return self.spawn_process(pusher, self.task_queue, self.event_out, self.broker) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 197, in spawn_process Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: p.start() Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 121, in start Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self._popen = self._Popen(self) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 224, in _Popen Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: return _default_context.get_context().Process._Popen(process_obj) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/context.py", line 281, in _Popen Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: return Popen(process_obj) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 19, in __init__ Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self._launch(process_obj) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/popen_fork.py", line 71, in _launch Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: code = process_obj._bootstrap(parent_sentinel=child_r) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 314, in _bootstrap Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self.run() Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/process.py", line 108, in run Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 358, in pusher Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: logger.error(e, traceback.format_exc()) Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: Message: BadSignature('Signature "ofwl5GkP2_1nDnfM8-vAjAwl_Ss" does not match') Dec 21 08:42:17 new-server mailman-web[981806]: Arguments: ('Traceback (most recent call last):\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 356, in pusher\n task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1])\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 25, in loads\n return signing.loads(\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 35, in loads\n base64d = force_bytes(TimestampSigner(key, salt=salt).unsign(s, max_age=max_age))\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 70, in unsign\n result = super(TimestampSigner, self).unsign(value)\n File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 55, in unsign\n raise BadSignature(\'Signature "%s" does not match\' % sig)\ndjango.core.signing.BadSignature: Signature "ofwl5GkP2_1nDnfM8-vAjAwl_Ss" does not match\n',) So any clue how to fix this? Best Regards, Helio Loureiro https://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro

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delete unverified accounts
by noemi Dec. 21, 2023

Dec. 21, 2023

Hi, I'm noticing that a lot of 'spammers' are registering themself via postorius. They do not send emails, neither they are in any list, so they are not technically spammers, but they are a lot [maybe around 500 subscribed in the last month]. While waiting for a captcha system[0] for the main distribution, I'm looking for a rapid/easy way to delete this accounts; since they are not 'verified', I was wondering if I can locate this information in the mailman3 database or if there is some easier way to delete all unverified accounts. Do some of you any help or indications? I'm using GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer). Thanks, noemi for pangea.org [ https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… ]

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Is it possible to upgrade from Debian 11 to Debian 12 with Mailman3?
by Pierre Malard Dec. 20, 2023

Dec. 20, 2023

Hi, Is it possible to upgrade from Debian 11 to Debian 12 with Mailman3 installed on Debian 11? I specify that I want to stay in the Debian repositories, not a "hand" installation of MM3. I tested on a specific server. It was long and tedious but it seemed to me that it was working. In fact everything seems to work except the archive management :-( Here is the procedure followed: Stopping MM services Backup of the database (PostgreSQL) and the base MM directory Switch server from Debian 11 to Debian 12 and restart migrate the database from PG 113 to PG 15 (pg_upgradecluster 13 does this very well) Modify the file /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg with a URL reference "postgresql://" instead of "postgres://" (see https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/ mailman-users(a)mailman3.org/thread/CU6YU44V4WLRJI3WJH2VBWO2HCUF4YEA/) update MM3 databases with "mailman-web migrate" restart MM3 and MM3-web With that MM3 works but not the archiving management! Note that there are no real error messages in the logs… In fact when we go to a list archive, we have pretty waiting wheels... infinite :-( The only reference in mailman3-web.log: [pid: 1429|app: 0|req: 12/12] NNN.NNN.NNN.NNN () {68 vars in 1445 bytes} [Mon Dec 18 16:35:56 2023] GET /hyperkitty/list/admin@ teledetection.fr/ => generated 37443 bytes in 37 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 7 headers in 221 bytes (1 switches on core 1) If you have any solution... Thank you in advance, have a good day and happy Christmas -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France « Il n'y a pas de Paradis, mais il faut tâcher de mériter qu'il y en ait un ! » Jules Renard (1864-1910) - Journal, 10 septembre 1903 |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Migrating mailman3 to latest ubuntu lts
by Helio Loureiro Dec. 19, 2023

Dec. 19, 2023

Hi, I'm trying to migrate several lists from an ubuntu 18.04, where it was installed via packages (mailman 3.1.1), to ubuntu 22.04. Since ubuntu 22.04 is broken in terms of packages for mailman3, I'm trying to install manually following the site instructions. I just dumped the mysql DB we have nowadays, mailman3 and mailman3-web, and loaded in the new server. I also copied the configurations and fixed the paths since now mailman3 lives on /local/mailman and it uses venv. I also copied /var/lib/mailman3 into /local/mailman/var/lib/mailman3. mailman seems to accept pretty much of the work done. (venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.10.12 (main, Jun 11 2023, 05:26:28) [GCC 11.4.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: mysql+pymysql://mailman3:********@localhost/mailman3?charset=utf8mb4&use_unicode=1 devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:*********** Even configuration is working fine. (venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> mailman conf [ARC] authserv_id: [ARC] dkim: yes [ARC] dmarc: yes [ARC] domain: [ARC] enabled: no [ARC] privkey: [ARC] selector: [ - a lot of stuff - ] [shell] banner: Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell [shell] history_file: [shell] prompt: >>> [shell] use_ipython: no [styles] default: legacy-default [webservice] admin_pass: ************************* [webservice] admin_user: restadmin [webservice] api_version: 3.1 [webservice] configuration: python:mailman.config.gunicorn [webservice] hostname: localhost [webservice] port: 8001 [webservice] show_tracebacks: yes [webservice] use_https: no [webservice] workers: 2 But it is failing to start displaying the domain name from the previous machine. (venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> mailman start Starting Mailman's master runner Generating MTA alias maps Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1969, in _exec_single_context self.dialect.do_execute( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 922, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 153, in execute result = self._query(query) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 322, in _query conn.query(q) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 558, in query self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 822, in _read_query_result result.read() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1200, in read first_packet = self.connection._read_packet() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 772, in _read_packet packet.raise_for_error() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/protocol.py", line 221, in raise_for_error err.raise_mysql_exception(self._data) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/err.py", line 143, in raise_mysql_exception raise errorclass(errno, errval) pymysql.err.OperationalError: (1054, "Unknown column 'domain.alias_domain' in 'field list'") The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.9', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1078, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1688, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1434, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 783, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 33, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 109, in start call_name(config.mta.incoming).regenerate() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 109, in regenerate self._generate_lmtp_file(fp) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 149, in _generate_lmtp_file mlist = _FakeList(list_name, mail_host) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 75, in __init__ self.mail_host = _get_alias_domain(mail_host) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 63, in _get_alias_domain d = domain_manager.get(domain) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/model/domain.py", line 162, in get if domains.count() < 1: File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 3132, in count self._legacy_from_self(col).enable_eagerloads(False).scalar() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2825, in scalar ret = self.one() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2798, in one return self._iter().one() # type: ignore File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2847, in _iter result: Union[ScalarResult[_T], Result[_T]] = self.session.execute( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py", line 2308, in execute return self._execute_internal( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py", line 2190, in _execute_internal result: Result[Any] = compile_state_cls.orm_execute_statement( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/context.py", line 293, in orm_execute_statement result = conn.execute( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1416, in execute return meth( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/sql/elements.py", line 516, in _execute_on_connection return connection._execute_clauseelement( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1639, in _execute_clauseelement ret = self._execute_context( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1848, in _execute_context return self._exec_single_context( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1988, in _exec_single_context self._handle_dbapi_exception( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 2343, in _handle_dbapi_exception raise sqlalchemy_exception.with_traceback(exc_info[2]) from e File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 1969, in _exec_single_context self.dialect.do_execute( File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 922, in do_execute cursor.execute(statement, parameters) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 153, in execute result = self._query(query) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", line 322, in _query conn.query(q) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 558, in query self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 822, in _read_query_result result.read() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 1200, in read first_packet = self.connection._read_packet() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", line 772, in _read_packet packet.raise_for_error() File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/protocol.py", line 221, in raise_for_error err.raise_mysql_exception(self._data) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/err.py", line 143, in raise_mysql_exception raise errorclass(errno, errval) sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (pymysql.err.OperationalError) (1054, "Unknown column 'domain.alias_domain' in 'field list'") [SQL: SELECT count(*) AS count_1 FROM (SELECT domain.id AS domain_id, domain.mail_host AS domain_mail_host, domain.description AS domain_description, domain.alias_domain AS domain_alias_domain FROM domain WHERE domain.mail_host = %(mail_host_1)s) AS anon_1] [parameters: {'mail_host_1': 'old-server.mydomain.com'}] (Background on this error at: https://sqlalche.me/e/20/e3q8) But I can see some processes are starting. (venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> ps auxwww | grep "[p]ython" | grep mailman mailman 1411605 0.0 0.0 32180 22212 ? Ss 10:44 0:00 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/gunicorn -c /etc/mailman3/gunicorn.conf mailman_web.wsgi:application mailman 1411607 0.0 0.0 44244 32412 ? S 10:44 0:00 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/gunicorn -c /etc/mailman3/gunicorn.conf mailman_web.wsgi:application mailman 1411671 1.0 0.2 98584 83004 ? Ss 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/master -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg mailman 1411681 1.0 0.2 98392 82504 ? S 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=archive:0:1 mailman 1411682 97.7 10.1 3396160 3346868 ? R 10:45 1:58 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 mailman 1411683 1.0 0.2 98588 82816 ? S 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=command:0:1 mailman 1411684 1.0 0.2 98580 82904 ? S 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=in:0:1 mailman 1411685 1.0 0.2 172312 82772 ? Sl 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=lmtp:0:1 mailman 1411686 1.1 0.2 98588 82652 ? S 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=nntp:0:1 mailman 1411687 1.1 0.2 98608 83016 ? S 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=out:0:1 mailman 1411688 1.0 0.2 98584 82936 ? S 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=pipeline:0:1 mailman 1411689 1.1 0.2 107040 90972 ? S 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 mailman 1411690 1.0 0.2 98592 82784 ? S 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=retry:0:1 mailman 1411691 41.3 0.5 187380 171012 ? S 10:45 0:50 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=task:0:1 mailman 1411692 1.0 0.2 98472 83028 ? S 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=virgin:0:1 mailman 1411693 1.0 0.2 98448 82608 ? S 10:45 0:01 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 mailman 1411705 0.0 0.2 107040 75968 ? S 10:45 0:00 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 mailman 1411709 0.0 0.2 107040 75968 ? S 10:45 0:00 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 mailman 1413629 0.0 0.0 17644 8812 ? Rs 10:47 0:00 /local/mailman/venv/bin/python /local/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start Best Regards, Helio Loureiro http://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro

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Spam sent to list owner causes bounce increment for list owner
by Allan Hansen Dec. 19, 2023

Dec. 19, 2023

Hi all, Someone sent a spam message to the list owner (me) of one of my lists. Then I got booted from the list. The scenario in more detail: The list server forwards the message to me, as I’m the list owner. This message is sent from <list>- <mailto:artists-bounces+hansen=rc.org@list.rc.org>bounces+hansen=rc.org(a)list.rc.org <mailto:bounces+hansen=rc.org@list.rc.org> to hansen(a)rc.org <mailto:hansen@rc.org>. My service provider’s spam filter rejects the spam (correctly) in a message and informs the list server. The list server sends a message to <list>- <mailto:artists-bounces+hansen=rc.org@list.rc.org>bounces+hansen=rc.org(a)list.rc.org <mailto:bounces+hansen=rc.org@list.rc.org> (the fake sender) saying that the message to hansen(a)rc.org <mailto:hansen@rc.org> (the recipient) could not be delivered because it was spam. The list server also blames hansen(a)rc.org <mailto:hansen@rc.org> (me) for the bounce and increments my bounce score, which, to me, is unfair. So I wonder: Is the Mailman host at list.rc.org <http://list.rc.org/> at fault for not catching the spam before it reaches the list server? (One could argue that) Is my rc.org <http://rc.org/> service provider at fault for sending the bounce message to the server instead of the to the original sender? Is Mailman at fault for thinking that the bounce message was caused by a list message FROM me, instead of a bounced message TO the list owner? Yours, Allan

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MM3 Postfix FROM header issue
by eboltz＠lhtservices.com Dec. 18, 2023

Dec. 18, 2023

Installed MM3 on Debian 11, followed the steps from the MM3 website. I'm running into issues with Postfix headers. I can only get postfix to send emails to/from the list if I set the sender_canonical_maps in the main.cf file. I don't want to have to use that as I'd like the recipient to receive the following in their email header: <Subscriber> via <List Name> <FROM:LIST@DOMAIN>. But if I do the sender_canonical_maps, then the <FROM:LIST@DOMAIN> and all email headers are overwritten by the maps email address. When I check the /var/log/mail.log without the sender_canonical_maps setting enabled, then the initial email sender is either rejected because 'Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table' or '550-From header sender domain not verified (example.com) 550-On your sending > Verified senders page 550 verify the sender domain or email to be allowed to send' I have smtp_sasl_passwd_maps disabled, since I'm trying a different SMTP relay Here is my main.cf setup # See /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, more complete version # Debian specific: Specifying a file name will cause the first # line of that file to be used as the name. The Debian default # is /etc/mailname. #myorigin = /etc/mailname smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Debian/GNU) biff = no # appending .domain is the MUA's job. append_dot_mydomain = no # Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings #delay_warning_time = 4h readme_directory = no # See http://www.postfix.org/COMPATIBILITY_README.html -- default to 2 on # fresh installs. compatibility_level = 2 # Mailman related settings #owner_request_special = no transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains #relay_domains = ${{$compatibility_level} < {2} ? {$mydestination} : {}} hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains # TLS parameters smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key smtpd_tls_security_level=may #smtp_tls_CApath=/etc/postfix/o365_smtp_cert.pem smtp_tls_security_level=may smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination myhostname = localhost alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = /etc/mailname mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain relayhost = [mail.smtp2go.com]:587 mailbox_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = ipv4 sender_canonical_maps = regexp:/etc/postfix/sender_canonical smtp_use_tls = yes smtp_always_send_ehlo = yes unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 always_add_missing_headers = yes #smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes #smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl/sasl_passwd smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous header_size_limit = 409600 default_destination_recipient_limit = 30 default_destination_concurrency_limit = 15 header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::fff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128

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Enable Notifications on Mailman3 Threads
by jdamos＠iu12.org Dec. 18, 2023

Dec. 18, 2023

In my environment, I am trying to enable notifications on a thread just like this one. When someone responds, I want the list to get a notification and or the person that is getting responded to. Any thoughts? Thank you!

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List users from different domains getting blocked.
by bob B Dec. 14, 2023

Dec. 14, 2023

I am running MM3 and have a list that has users from different organizations and email domains. So let's say I am orga.com and hosting mailman Bill is borg.com Cindy is mew.com When Bill sends a message to my MM3 list it gets sent out, However, cindy's email system rejects it cause it sees the message is sent from Bill(a)borg.com but it came from my MM3 server which is under orga.com, so it rejects it. I have been told more organizations are checking this and starting to reject these types of messages and also we could get blacklisted because it looks like we are spoofing. The only solutions I can think of are: -Have the receiving organizations whitelist my server, but that is probably not feasible. -set the list to anonymous..... But then you don't know who sent the email. Anyway around this? or is there a way to have the sender's email included in the list message but keep the list anonymous? or am I missing something else? and if I send amessage from my organaxztion to MM# it will go out to the peopl n the list, and if and some of those people are at other organizations. When the recive the email, sometoimes their mail system reject it with a DMAR message. I have been told thisis beacue the other organazatione dmeail system sees I snet the message

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customized welcome message
by Nils Dec. 7, 2023

Dec. 7, 2023

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templates/socialaccount/login.html - any reason not to include?
by Jered Floyd Dec. 7, 2023

Dec. 7, 2023

When using a social login button, there is a completely unstyled page as an interstitial before login. I copied the upstream allauth/templates/socialaccount/login.html and changed the first line from: {% extends "socialaccount/base_entrance.html" %} to {% extends "django_mailman3/profile/base.html" %} This seems to work properly and look correct. Is there a reason not to PR this? --Jered

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mailman3-web language preference and translation settings
by Nils Dec. 7, 2023

Dec. 7, 2023

Hi, I've tested mailman3 and now installed it on productive server. The customer complains that the translation to German is incomplete on the productive server while it was complete on the test server. I can't find a way to confirm this because I only see the English frontend of mailman3-web and I don't know how to switch language in the frontend (I have my OS set to English). Kind regards

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no bounce-processing with verp_probes: yes
by Stefan Bauer Dec. 7, 2023

Dec. 7, 2023

Dear Users, during one of our upgrades to 3.3.x we set verp_probes: yes according to upgrade notes[1]. However it looks like this disabled bounce handling completely. Howto verify (MM 3.3.9): Set verp_probes: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 restart mailman3 create test-list add an undeliverable recipient to the list that is known to bounce. send 6 mails to list. see, that all the bounce-messages are received by mailman according to postfix log[2] check bounce.log - no entry. get bounce_score from API[3] - shows bounce_score 0. Can anyone confirm? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you. Stefan [1] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html [2] from=<>, size=8565, nrcpt=1 (queue active) ... to=<v-test-bounces+undeliverable-recipient=realdomain.tld(a)lists.lists.tld>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024 status=sent [3] curl -s -q --user a:b http://localhost:8001/3.1/members/find?subscriber=undeliverable-recipient@r…

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Odd behavior: "Invalid" list destinations result in mail routing loop w/ SMTP relay in line
by Thomas Ward Dec. 6, 2023

Dec. 6, 2023

We use a multi-hop SMTP system to go from the inside of our network out to the Internet at the domain test.lists.example.com. The setup is this way for ingress: {EXTERNAL} -> MS365 (relay/antispam) -> MS On-Prem (via 365 Connector) -> Mailman for delivery to listserv Egress is this: Mailman -> Postfix SMTP Relay (smtpproxy) -> INTERNET -- When a message is sent an invalid list (we'll call it invalid(a)test.lists.example.com) we end up with a nasty side effect in the system. The "no such recipient" response gets sent to the smtpproxy machine and then *it gets redelivered back to Mailman* as a redelivery as if it isn't accepting a permanent-failure condition code. This results in a nasty mail loop that results with a "too many hops" error that doesn't state "invalid recipient" and I have no idea why this is the case. Can anyone provide any insight into how to prevent this type of routing loop caused by the egress of messages? Thomas

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mailman_web/urls.py changes in Postorius 1.3.10
by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis Dec. 5, 2023

Dec. 5, 2023

The latest release of Postorius includes these lines in mailman_web/urls.py: # Include alternate Postorius and HyperKitty URLs. path('postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), path('hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), It appears that these paths override the originals (/mailman3 & /archive). I’m using apache and have had to add ProxyPass lines for these new alternate URLs, as /mailman3 and /archive don’t appear to be presented anymore by mailman-web. All the links at the top (Postorious, lists, domains, bans, system info, users, and archives) – all have /postorius or /hyperkitty as the start of their URLs. If I make a copy of that urls.py in /etc/mailman3 and point to it with ROOT_URLCONF – and comment out those alternate lines, the links go back to the way they were (/mailman3 and /archives). Or, as I mentioned, I can add the ProxyPass lines for /postorius and /hyperkitty to apache. One way or another, it doesn’t seem to be behaving as an alternate. Or have I overlooked something? Thank you Tom Lieuallen

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Error message from monthly cronjob
by Johannes Rohr Dec. 5, 2023

Dec. 5, 2023

Dear all, Mailman3 on my system is installed in virtualenv. Each month I get the following error message. This error does not seem to have a serious impact on the functioning of mailman, still, what does it mean and how do I get rid of it? Thanks for any hints! Johannes -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Cron <mailman@*** /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs monthly Datum: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 05:56:40 +0100 (CET) Von: Cron Daemon <root(a)mail.rooot.de> An: mailman@*** ERROR OCCURED IN JOB: update_and_clean_index (APP: hyperkitty) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_extensions/management/commands/runjobs.py", line 40, in runjobs job().execute() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/jobs/update_and_clean_index.py", line 37, in execute run_with_lock(update_index, remove=True) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 177, in run_with_lock with lock: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 470, in __exit__ self.unlock() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 420, in unlock raise NotLockedError('Already unlocked') flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Already unlocked

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Does anyone use b4 tool with Mailman3 archive
by Prasanth Nair Dec. 5, 2023

Dec. 5, 2023

Hello all, I know this may not be the right place to ask. But, just in case someone has any experience using the b4 tool (https://github.com/mricon/b4) with the Mailman3 archives? Any idea, how to configure this tool to receive patch series from a mailman archive list? This tool is mainly used for the following purposes: - Retrieve patch series from a public mailing list (e.g. lore.kernel.org) - Compare patch series - Apply patch series to the git repository - Retrieve code-review trailers Kind regards, Prasanth Nair

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nextcloud as auth provider for postorius
by mailman3＠huckley.de Dec. 2, 2023

Dec. 2, 2023

Hello, have anybody successful setup nextcloud auth provider for postorius? I have done configured the OAuth 2.0-Client in nextcloud/index.php/settings/admin/security. I have add the nexcloud as social application in mailman3/admin/socialaccount/socialapp/. If i try to login via nexcloud, postorius redirect me to the nextcloud, where i successful login, and redirected to postorius But i'm not logged in postorius. what I'm missing? Have anybody a howto? Thanks Falk

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Captcha or similar for new signups?
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au Nov. 30, 2023

Nov. 30, 2023

Hi Folks, Does anyone have a recipe for adding captcha or similar to stop bot accounts signing up with Postorius? We're seeing a heap of fake signups resulting in confirmation emails going to people who haven't signed up, with user names like 'CAOXpYhPFPBFr' -- I'd like to make it just a little harder for bots to sign up. Too many confirmation emails going to non-existent email addresses reduces our mail reputation, and increases the likelihood that legit email is flagged as spam. Peter C

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Connection to HyperKitty failed: ('Connection aborted.', OSError(0, 'Error'))
by Mark Labeste Nov. 30, 2023

Nov. 30, 2023

Hi Admin, Any idea on this error? It happen when you wrote a tread it send the mail but not save on the archive. Nov 28 20:34:51 2023 (8407) Connection to HyperKitty failed: ('Connection aborted.', OSError(0, 'Error')) Nov 28 20:34:51 2023 (8407) Connection to HyperKitty failed: ('Connection aborted.', OSError(0, 'Error')) Nov 28 20:34:51 2023 (8406) Connection to HyperKitty failed: ('Connection aborted.', OSError(0, 'Error')) Nov 28 20:34:51 2023 (8400) Connection to HyperKitty failed: ('Connection aborted.', OSError(0, 'Error')) Nov 28 20:34:51 2023 (8400) Could not archive the message with id <168853565119.17959.11384406081068301715(a)email1.example.com> Nov 28 20:34:51 2023 (8400) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list testmaillist.example.com, message <168853565119.17959.11384406081068301715(a)email1.example.com>) Nov 28 20:34:51 2023 (8400) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: ('Connection aborted.', OSError(0, 'Error')) Nov 28 20:34:51 2023 (8400) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 710, in urlopen chunked=chunked, File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 386, in _make_request self._validate_conn(conn) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 1042, in _validate_conn conn.connect() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connection.py", line 429, in connect tls_in_tls=tls_in_tls, File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/util/ssl_.py", line 450, in ssl_wrap_socket sock, context, tls_in_tls, server_hostname=server_hostname File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/util/ssl_.py", line 493, in _ssl_wrap_socket_impl return ssl_context.wrap_socket(sock, server_hostname=server_hostname) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/ssl.py", line 365, in wrap_socket _context=self, _session=session) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/ssl.py", line 776, in __init__ self.do_handshake() File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/ssl.py", line 1036, in do_handshake self._sslobj.do_handshake() File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/ssl.py", line 648, in do_handshake self._sslobj.do_handshake() OSError: [Errno 0] Error

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: SSL error while connecting to hyperkitty
by Abhilash Raj Nov. 29, 2023

Nov. 29, 2023

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, at 10:20 AM, sandeep kumar wrote: > Hi Abhilash > > Thanks for the reply. > > Just two more answers please -:) > > Can I use the sample apache.conf in example_project in my webserver virtual host...?? See this thread for the apache configuration: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… You'd need to adjust the paths and SSL configuration. > > And what should be the configuration details to be given in uwsgi server...?? http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#setting-up-a-wsgi-server > > Regards > Sandeep > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:25 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: >> __ >> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, at 8:49 AM, sandeep kumar wrote: >>> Hi Abhilash >>> >>> Thanks for your reply. -:) >>> >>> We are using apache httpd as webserver to redirect. >>> >>> the proxy pass in webserver is >>> >>> ProxyPass / http://localhost:8000 >>> ReverseProxyPass / http://localhost:8000 >> >> >> Can you put `base_url: http://localhost:8000/hyperkitty` in your mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and see that it works? :) >> >> This should not try any funny SSL redirection. >> >>> I don't have idea of deploying this in production, so I just went on searching and I found wsgi (say uwsgi) is required to send the requests from webserver to mailman. Correct me if I am wrong. >>> >>> I have few queries listed below. Please reply to them. >>> >>> Should I use the wsgi.py present in the directory of mailman-suite ...?? >> >> Yes, that is the one which is supposed to be used. >> >>> >>> What should be the ProxyPass ..?? Where should the first hit go from webserver ---> uwsgi ---> ?? >> >> uwsgi is web server running Mailman's web componenet. It doesn't need to hit anything. You can restart it directly when you want to restart Mailman's web component, you don't need to do anything to your web server (httpd) for this. >> >> >> >>> >>> Can we run "python manage.py runserver" every time to start mailman suite..?? Can we make mailman-suite start/stop just by restarting the HTTPD..?? >> >> >> No, use a wsgi server, like uwsgi or gunicorn to run mailman-suote. `python manage.runserver` is a command used during development shouldn't be used at all in prod. >> >>> >>> What should be the entry in Hyperkitty.cfg file after all the above steps..?? I mean at the end >>> >>> Please reply to the above queries. Thanks for your help >>> Regards >>> Sandeep >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 8:45 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: >>>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, at 1:36 AM, sandeep kumar wrote: >>>> > Hi Team >>>> > >>>> > Iam seeing following errors while mailman is trying to archive in >>>> > mailman.log >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > This is my base URL in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg >>>> > >>>> > base_url: http://localhost/hyperkitty >>>> >>>> Are you sure this is the URL? this is http and Mailman shouldn't try to connect to this using HTTPS. >>>> >>>> Is your web server configured to redirect all HTTP traffic to HTTPS? If that is the case, then it is going to fail. >>>> >>>> Which wsgi server are you using? uwsgi? >>>> >>>> Can you also show your ProxyPass configuration? >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > *During handling of the above exception, another exception >>>> > occurred:Traceback (most recent call last): File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/adapters.py", >>>> > line 449, in send timeout=timeout File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.24.1-py3.6.egg/urllib3/connectionpool.py", >>>> > line 638, in urlopen _stacktrace=sys.exc_info()[2]) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.24.1-py3.6.egg/urllib3/util/retry.py", >>>> > line 398, in increment raise MaxRetryError(_pool, url, error or >>>> > ResponseError(cause))urllib3.exceptions.MaxRetryError: >>>> > HTTPSConnectionPool(host='domain.com <http://domain.com>', port=443): >>>> > Max >>>> > retries exceeded with url: >>>> > /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=SecretArchiverAPIKey (Caused by >>>> > SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate >>>> > verify >>>> > failed (_ssl.c:841)'),))During handling of the above exception, another >>>> > exception occurred:Traceback (most recent call last): File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", >>>> > line >>>> > 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", >>>> > line >>>> > 201, in _send_message files={"message": ("message.txt", >>>> > message_text)}) >>>> > File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/api.py", >>>> > line 116, in post return request('post', url, data=data, json=json, >>>> > **kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/api.py", >>>> > line 60, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, >>>> > **kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 533, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 668, in send history = [resp for resp in gen] if allow_redirects >>>> > else [] File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 668, in <listcomp> history = [resp for resp in gen] if >>>> > allow_redirects else [] File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 247, in resolve_redirects **adapter_kwargs File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 646, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/adapters.py", >>>> > line 514, in send raise SSLError(e, >>>> > request=request)requests.exceptions.SSLError: >>>> > HTTPSConnectionPool(host=domain.com <http://domain.com>', port=443): Max >>>> > retries exceeded with url: >>>> > /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=SecretArchiverAPIKey (Caused by >>>> > SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate >>>> > verify >>>> > failed (_ssl.c:841)'),))* >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Rgrds >>>> > Sandeep >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:20 AM sandeep kumar <sandeep7790(a)gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Team any help >>>> > > >>>> > > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > > >>>> > > > On 30-Aug-2019, at 11:18 PM, sandeep kumar <sandeep7790(a)gmail.com> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Hi Team >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Iam using httpd to work with ssl on mailman 3 using proxy pass. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > After this configuration Iam not able to connect to hyperkitty. It is >>>> > > throwing ssl certificate error in mailman.log file. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > What should be the configuration of hyperkitty while using https in >>>> > > mailman..? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Please help me with this Iam struck here from past 4 days >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Rgrds >>>> > > > Sandeep >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Regards >>>> > Sandeep Kumar >>>> > +91-9642669192 >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers(a)python.org >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-leave(a)python.org >>>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ >>>> > Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 >>>> > >>>> > Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> thanks, >>>> Abhilash Raj (maxking) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> Sandeep Kumar >>> +91-9642669192 >>> >> >> -- >> thanks, >> Abhilash Raj (maxking) >> >> > > > -- > Regards > Sandeep Kumar > +91-9642669192 > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Putting mailman3 server behind a netscaler
by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis Nov. 29, 2023

Nov. 29, 2023

(I sent this a week ago, but apparently it got lost, trying to resend.) We’ve been using MM2 for eons and are working on a migration to MM3. So, bear with me as I’m still coming up to speed. I’m running MM 3.3.8 and Postorious 1.3.8. Our mailing lists include members within our organization as well as a number outside. We don’t want to expose our MM3 server directly to the open internet, so wish to hide the web portion behind our netscaler and our regular pool of web servers. Those web servers will proxy MM3 web pages on over to our MM3 machine to handle. This seems to work. Email will meander in via MX and mail relay servers. I found and followed directions in this email regarding changing URL paths: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… So, say our MM3 server is: mm3.fqdn I am trying to publish and use urls like www.fqdn/mailman3-admin<http://www.fqdn/mailman3-admin>, www.fqdn/mailman3/lists<http://www.fqdn/mailman3/lists>. Again, that works for me. However, MM3 still has its concept of what URLs should be. I hoped I could fix that by way of templates, but I’m not sure there’s a template for everything. I added some templates, but have not replaced all. I was wondering and hoping that some central change could fix any default templates en-mass. Most recently, I changed the mailman admin email yesterday and the confirmation email directed me to mm3.fqdn/…/confirm-email/…. I looked at the stock templates and nothing there had that wording. I just looked at postorious docs and nothing jumps out at me there. 1. Have I gone down a bad rabbit hole? 2. Is there a way to change the advertised web server address? 3. Should I just continue rolling out my own templates and hope and assume that will take care of this issue? Thank you Tom Lieuallen Oregon State University

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Importing archive from mm21
by Lars Bjørndal Nov. 29, 2023

Nov. 29, 2023

I imported an archive from a list created in September 2013 with the following command: mailman-web hyperkitty_import -l annonsering(a)hodr.no --since 2013-09-01 <mbox file> No errors reported. I then did mailman-web update_index_one_list annonsering(a)hodr.no No, when I go to https://hodr.no/archives/list/annonsering@hodr.no/, I cannot choose mails earlier than January 2023. What's the problem, do you think? Lars

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All messages to a new list/domain shunted from "in" queue with no logged exceptions
by Jered Floyd Nov. 26, 2023

Nov. 26, 2023

OK -- my turn to ask a question... I created a new domain and lists in my (functioning) Mailman 3 install. Messages to these new lists are successfully delivered via LMTP to Mailman and then disappear. They are in the shunt queue, with a source queue of "in". There are no exceptions logged in my mailman.log. An example from a qfile: { '_parsemsg': False, 'envsender': 'noreply(a)[domain].com', 'lang': 'en', 'listid': '[listname].[domain].com', 'original_size': 2654, 'received_time': datetime.datetime(2023, 11, 25, 14, 0, 6, 968185), 'rule_hits': [], 'rule_misses': [], 'to_list': True, 'version': 3, 'whichq': 'in'} Unshunting the message has no effect, and no logs are generated. Any suggestions? Thanks, --Jered

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Mailman3 stopped sending out mail
by Abhijith PA Nov. 22, 2023

Nov. 22, 2023

Hello. Recently my mailman3 instance stopped distributing mail. But mailman's own mail (notification, digest etc) and archiving are working OK. I couldn't figure what is going wrong From mail.log --- Dec 31 10:03:20 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: Anonymous TLS connection established from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163]: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits) Dec 31 10:03:20 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: Anonymous TLS connection established from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163]: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits) Dec 31 10:03:20 lists policyd-spf[10907]: prepend Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=5.79.72.163; helo=mail.xxxx.xx; envelope-from=abhijith(a)xxxx.xx; receiver=<UNKNOWN> Dec 31 10:03:20 lists policyd-spf[10907]: prepend Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=5.79.72.163; helo=mail.xxxx.xx; envelope-from=abhijith(a)xxxx.xx; receiver=<UNKNOWN> Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: 04C2412038F: client=mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: 04C2412038F: client=mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/cleanup[10912]: 04C2412038F: message-id=<f875c144-a23c-baa2-7de2-1b102d3e7494(a)xxxx.xx> Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/cleanup[10912]: 04C2412038F: message-id=<f875c144-a23c-baa2-7de2-1b102d3e7494(a)xxxx.xx> Dec 31 10:03:21 lists opendkim[450]: 04C2412038F: s=_teknikKey d=xxxx.xx SSL Dec 31 10:03:21 lists opendkim[450]: 04C2412038F: s=_teknikKey d=xxxx.xx SSL Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: disconnect from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: disconnect from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: from=<abhijith(a)xxxx.xx>, size=1699, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: from=<abhijith(a)xxxx.xx>, size=1699, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/lmtp[10915]: 04C2412038F: to=<test3(a)lists.yyyy.yy>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.87, delays=0.62/0.02/0.04/0.2, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/lmtp[10915]: 04C2412038F: to=<test3(a)lists.yyyy.yy>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.87, delays=0.62/0.02/0.04/0.2, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: removed Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: removed I am not sure why 'postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: removed' is happening. from /var/log/mailman3/smtp.log: Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) handling connection Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'LHLO lists.xxxx.xx' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<abhijith(a)xxxx.xx>' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) sender: abhijith(a)xxxx.xx Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'RCPT TO:<test3(a)xxxx.xx>' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) recip: test3(a)xxxx.xx Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'DATA' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'QUIT' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) connection lost Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) Connection lost during _handle_client() Here again I am doubtful about 'Connection lost during _handle_client()'. Please help. Abhijith PA

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Re: mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html
by Michael.Sanderson＠ubc.ca Nov. 21, 2023

Nov. 21, 2023

Despite earlier comments that django-allauth 0.58.1 has been released to fix this issue (and presumably 0.58.2 would have the fix as well), there appears to still be an issue. As Odhiambo indicated with django-allauth==0.57.0, mailman-web compress completes without errors. With django-allauth 0.58.1 and 0.58.2, I still get (venv) $ mailman-web compress Compressing... Error parsing template socialaccount/signup.html: socialaccount/base.html done Compressed 2 block(s) from 78 template(s) for 1 context(s). The Invalid template errors for socialaccount/login_cancelled.html and account/verified_email_required.html are gone, but we still have a parsing error. This is an installation on RHEL9 with python 3.11 based on the virtualenv installation method at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… Michael Sanderson

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moving lists to another server
by bryan.kartzman＠yu.edu Nov. 21, 2023

Nov. 21, 2023

I have both my mailman lists and django config in postgres databases. If I want to move my lists to another server that is running mailman 3, aside from copying the databases to the other server, what other things (perhaps all files under /var/lib/mailman3?, etc) would I need to bring over to the other server?

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Migrating from Listserv 17 to Mailman 3
by Cooper, Robert A Nov. 21, 2023

Nov. 21, 2023

Howdy! Does anyone have or know of a guide to migrate from Listserv 17, including list archives, to Mailman 3? I've found documentation on moving to Mailman 2, but those don't seem to apply to the newer version. Thanks, RobertC

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copies of sent "admin" messages
by David Bremner Nov. 21, 2023

Nov. 21, 2023

I'm dealing with (presumably bogus) spam reports for messages from foo-bounces(a)list.domain As far as I can tell these messages are triggered by the alleged-victim/apparent-attacker sending messages to foo-subscribe followed immediately by foo-unsubscribe. I have the size and time from postfix and/or mailman's smtp.log, but I don't have the message content. Are these messages stored somewhere by Mailman? Can I have them stored for a month or so in order to deal with these bureaucratic incidents? David

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Where do I find the check_hk_archive script
by Lars Bjørndal Nov. 19, 2023

Nov. 19, 2023

In https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html I'm adviced to run the check_hk_archive script found in hyperkitty/contrib. When trying `git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkity`I get: Username for 'https://gitlab.com': Is it possible to get the script without an account on gitlab? Thanks, Lars -- Lars Bjørndal <lars(a)lamasti.net> Ostadalsveien 64, 0753 Oslo. Mobil: 958 37 537

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configuration to send to recipients in a spread out manner to avoid being considered spam
by testeur Nov. 19, 2023

Nov. 19, 2023

Hi, I s there a mean to configure the list for that emails be sent to recipients in a spread out manner to avoid being considered spam ? cause AOL, YAHOO seems to consider emails sent to recipients as spam or an "Excessively high volume of emails". there's just 40 (aol, yahoo) emails suscribed to the list. thx.

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How to Personalise Email Content with Usernames in Mailman 3
by Zaheer Abbas Nov. 18, 2023

Nov. 18, 2023

Hello, I am currently working with Mailman 3 and looking to enhance the personalization of the emails sent through our mailing list. Specifically, I wish to include the recipient's username in the email content, similar to a personalized greeting (e.g., "Dear [username]"). My questions are: 1. Does Mailman 3 support the inclusion of personalized data (like usernames)? 2. If yes, how can I do that? Is there any placeholder for that? Any guidance or suggestions on how to achieve this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time and assistance.

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Add rule to auto-discard "AutoReply" messages from list members
by Thomas Ward Nov. 18, 2023

Nov. 18, 2023

When people are communicating on Mailman3 lists, some set up automatic responders for out-of-office, etc. and get let through the system to list recipients. Unfortunately, this is bad behavior and appears to not be caught by default. I'd like to set up some kind of rule globally rather than per-list that would check if a message is an automatic reply (based on a set of criteria we've come up with programmatically on our previous custom implementation of lists) and then default-discard those messages. Is there a way with custom rules to implement this? We're looking for certain strings on the subject line or other headers to determine "Discard" cases in our custom list implementations, but we are hoping we can implement this with customized rules in Mailman3 to achieve this goal. How would we structure that type of rule, and do we check the message object or the msgdata instead? Thomas

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Possible SQLAlchemy 2.0.23 incompatibility (requires investigation)
by Jered Floyd Nov. 15, 2023

Nov. 15, 2023

I just did a container rebuild and Mailman failed to load, with the below errors on the console. Pinning SQLAlchemy 2.0.22 resolved this; I haven't tried to further debug. (2.0.23 was release on November 3.) --Jered Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1078, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1688, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1434, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 783, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 33, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 109, in start call_name(config.mta.incoming).regenerate() File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 109, in regenerate self._generate_lmtp_file(fp) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 148, in _generate_lmtp_file for list_name, mail_host in list_manager.name_components: File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/model/listmanager.py", line 140, in name_components for mail_host, list_name in result_set.with_entities( File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2833, in __iter__ result = self._iter() File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2847, in _iter result: Union[ScalarResult[_T], Result[_T]] = self.session.execute( File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py", line 2308, in execute return self._execute_internal( File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py", line 2180, in _execute_internal conn = self._connection_for_bind(bind) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py", line 2047, in _connection_for_bind return trans._connection_for_bind(engine, execution_options) File "<string>", line 2, in _connection_for_bind File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/state_changes.py", line 139, in _go ret_value = fn(self, *arg, **kw) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py", line 1143, in _connection_for_bind conn = bind.connect() File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 3268, in connect return self._connection_cls(self) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 145, in __init__ self._dbapi_connection = engine.raw_connection() File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", line 3292, in raw_connection return self.pool.connect() File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/base.py", line 452, in connect return _ConnectionFairy._checkout(self) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/base.py", line 1378, in _checkout del fairy File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/langhelpers.py", line 146, in __exit__ raise exc_value.with_traceback(exc_tb) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/pool/base.py", line 1306, in _checkout result = pool._dialect._do_ping_w_event( File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", line 709, in _do_ping_w_event return self.do_ping(dbapi_connection) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/mysql/pymysql.py", line 104, in do_ping if self._send_false_to_ping: File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/langhelpers.py", line 1146, in __get__ obj.__dict__[self.__name__] = result = self.fget(obj) File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/mysql/pymysql.py", line 93, in _send_false_to_ping insp = langhelpers.get_callable_argspec(Connection.ping) AttributeError: 'function' object has no attribute 'ping'

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Database problem after system upgrade
by Lars Bjørndal Nov. 15, 2023

Nov. 15, 2023

I've upgraded from Fedora 37 to 38, and the postgresql server will not start: nov. 14 23:22:18 dalen.lamasti.net postgresql-check-db-dir[1410]: An old version of the database format was found. nov. 14 23:22:18 dalen.lamasti.net postgresql-check-db-dir[1410]: Use 'postgresq l-setup --upgrade' to upgrade to version '15' nov. 14 23:22:18 dalen.lamasti.net postgresql-check-db-dir[1410]: See /usr/share /doc/postgresql/README.rpm-dist for more information. When I run `postgresql-setup --upgrade` I get: runuser: warning: cannot change directory to /opt/postgresql: no such file or directory * Upgrading database. /usr/bin/postgresql-setup: line 307: cd: /opt/postgresql: no such file or directory ERROR: pg_upgrade tool failed ERROR: Upgrade failed. * See /var/lib/pgsql/upgrade_postgresql.log for details. Why does the upgrade tool look for files in /opt/postgresql and not in /var/lib/pgsql? How to fix it? Thanks, Lars

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Mailserver Log entries following through mailman?
by Andreas Barth Nov. 11, 2023

Nov. 11, 2023

Hi, is there some way to find an ID to follow an email through mailman? In the exim logfile there is only something like C="250 Ok" (whereas in mails sent to another exim there is something like C="250 OK id=…"). (What I sometimes need to do is to follow an mail whether it is sent through mailman and to where.) Or should I raise an issue as whishlist request? Regards, Andi

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ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_web'
by gordon＠dickens.com Nov. 10, 2023

Nov. 10, 2023

I have had mailman3 working great on Debian 11, however, I just upgraded to Debian 12 and, following the upgrade, mailman3 is not working and I am getting the following error message: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_web' Does anybody have any recommendations? Thanks! Gordon

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Default templates
by Steve Brown Nov. 10, 2023

Nov. 10, 2023

I'm new to this list and newly a Mailman list administrator. I know I can customize message templates and have done so for my list's Welcome message. My problem is knowing what I'm replacing when I create a "new" template. How/where can I see he default content? Steve Brown

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user disabled other problems
by Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione territoriale di Brescia Nov. 6, 2023

Nov. 6, 2023

Good morning, I have to understand something more about disabled users. I renabled some users, but they continue to non teceive the newsletter. Is there a more detailed log that I can analize to discover dis problem? Thank you -- Roberto Burceni Servizio informatico sezionale Tel. 0302209417 (lunedì e giovedì mattina dalle 9:00 alle 13:00, martedì emercoledì pomeriggio dalle 14:00 alle 18:00 E-mail: servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it Sito web: https://www.uicibrescia.it

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Template - "You can use these variables in the templates" - The variable for "leave" is missing
by Wikinaut Nov. 4, 2023

Nov. 4, 2023

The current template input page shows this text: You can use these variables in the templates. $hyperkitty_url: Permalink to archived message in Hyperkitty $listname: Name of the Mailing List e.g. ant(a)example.com $list_id: The List-ID header e.g. ant.example.com $display_name: Display name of the mailing list e.g. Ant $short_listname: Local part of the listname e.g. ant $domain: The domain part of the listname e.g. example.com $info: The mailing list's longer descriptive text $request_email: The email address for -request address $owner_email: The email address for -owner address $site_email: The email address to reach the owners of the site $language: The two letter language code for list's preferred language e.g. fr, en, de I suggest to add the variable for leaving a mailing list here. But what is the variable name?

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Mailman 3 deployment: ok to use same database instance for core, web, and hyperkitty tables?
by s.dobrau＠ucl.ac.uk Nov. 4, 2023

Nov. 4, 2023

Hello, We are currently working on a migration plan for Mailman -> Mailman 3. We have around over 3000 mailing lists with a total of 50K members and 500 worth of archived data. Our plan is to have core+web (instance 1) and Hyperkitty (instance 2). With the archives on the FS local to the Hyperkitty. And all 3 tables (core, web, Hyperkitty) pointing to the same database on a remote SQL (mysql-enterprise) instance. Using class mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase (and whatever necessary on the Django/Hyperkitty instance). Is this feasible, if so what would be the recommended compute/storage requirements. If not what other alternatives have we got ? A remote or local PostgreSQL instance is also possible if recommended. Thank you very much in advance and all the best ! Regards, Serban

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Immediate notification to the administrator
by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat Nov. 2, 2023

Nov. 2, 2023

Hello In Mailman, I have all the lists marked with the "Immediate notification to the administrator" option. Should list moderators receive immediate notification of new requests as well as daily reminders about the pending ones? List moderators (and list administrators) receive daily reminders of pending requests for approval, such as subscriptions to a moderated list or submissions that are held for some reason. Enabling this option results in immediate notifications being sent upon the arrival of new requests. When there's a message being held because it needs approval, it automatically sends an email to the list owners. However, it also states that it sends a daily reminder if the email remains unapproved, but it's not doing that. I'll show you how I have /etc/postfix/transport configured. I receive the first "owner" email, but not the daily one. list-owner(a)llistes.csuc.cat relay:[ip]:25 list(a)llistes.csuc.cat .. list-admin(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-bounces(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-confirm(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-join(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-leave(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-request(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-subscribe(a)llistes.csuc.cat ...

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Weird behavior with Outlook and any MM3 List
by Thomas Ward Nov. 1, 2023

Nov. 1, 2023

I'm seeing some *really* odd behavior with Mailman 3 and Microsoft Outlook clients (even Outlook Web Access). When messages come in with a subject prefix, of any way shape or form, Microsoft Outlook seems to *completely strip* the prefixes from any "reply" sent, which could be problematic. While the "In-Reply-To" header is still intact and such, Microsoft just seems to 'strip' prefixes from subject lines and that causes a problem in some cases. Has anyone observed this behavior before? If so, have you found any workarounds? Thomas

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Reduction of spam - FROM_LOCAL_HEX
by Kyriakos Terzopoulos Oct. 31, 2023

Oct. 31, 2023

Hi, After fixing all issues with mailman I want to reduce the chance for email being marked as spam, especially from Gmail. I have added SPF and DKIM records and I am now using dkimvalidator to debug the emails being sent. Here is what I'm getting from spam evaluation: *0.3 FROM_LOCAL_HEX From: localpart has long hexadecimal sequence* My guess is that the From address is very large, for example: mylist-confirm+3eafa5bd24e52738c900e2e3fd05e366b7ea7580(a)myproject.eu Is there any way to mitigate this problem? Thank you, *Kyriakos Terzopoulos* Web developer / e-learning expert *Tel:*+30 211 213 9858 *Mobile:* +30 694 526 4512 * E-mail: *kyriakos.terzopoulos(a)gmail.com * Skype:* kyriakos.terzopoulos Find me on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/cirrus3d> Follow me on Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/cirrus3d>

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psycopg2 error?
by Odhiambo Washington Oct. 30, 2023

Oct. 30, 2023

This is the first time I am seeing this with MM3 so maybe it's something new in the latest releases? Using the virtualenv method to install MM3 in a fresh Debian 12 VM, I have run into an error while starting the mailman3 service. I cannot figure out what this error means. <CUT> root@debian12:/home/wash# systemctl status mailman3.service × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Thu 2023-10-26 09:36:41 EAT; 8s ago Process: 1893842 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) CPU: 789ms Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: dbapi = dbapi_meth(**dbapi_args) Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py", line 690, in import_dbapi Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: import psycopg2 Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 51, in <module> Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. </CUT> No log entry in any of the log files in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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disabled users
by Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione territoriale di Brescia Oct. 27, 2023

Oct. 27, 2023

Hello, Wher I find the disabled user of a mailing list and wher I can reactivate them? I do not find this nor in web interface neither in command line utility. Thank you best regards -- Roberto Burceni Servizio informatico sezionale Tel. 0302209417 (lunedì e giovedì mattina dalle 9:00 alle 13:00, martedì emercoledì pomeriggio dalle 14:00 alle 18:00 E-mail: servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it Sito web: https://www.uicibrescia.it

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(Custom) Plugins: Proper file path(s) for adding a handler?
by Thomas Ward Oct. 25, 2023

Oct. 25, 2023

I want to add a custom handler that implements customized thread IDs in the system. I already have the DB logic worked out, but the documentation for plugins is NOT clear on how to define a handler in a plugin, nor does the example plugin in the documentation on Gitlab have any custom handlers. I'm looking to add a custom handler so that the private pipeline for threaded-subject-list can use thread-subject (the custom handler) instead of subject-prefix (builtin). I'm unclear how to add this properly in a plugin that would be read properly by Mailman, though. Any tips on the filestructure needed for the Python code/plugin package in order to properly be set up and work? Thomas

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rDNS issue? Helo name contains an IP address (HELO was [127.0.0.1]) and not is valid
by Kyriakos Terzopoulos Oct. 25, 2023

Oct. 25, 2023

Hi all, I'm on the latest mailman installation in a HestiaCP server. The past few days I have been investigating some spam issues and by using dkimvalidator.com I found the following: 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager* 3.2 HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR Relay HELO'd using suspicious hostname (IP addr 1)* Note the last line on the above debug information which raises the spam score of the email. Some research showed me that I needed a rDNS entry in my server. I'm on a Hetzner cloud VM so I used the Hetzner console to change the rDNS entry from: static.XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX.clients.your-server.de to my initial server hostname for example: *hestia.myserver.com <http://hestia.myserver.com>* However, after some propagation, I found today that even though I can send email to any normal address created in the server's control panel, mailing list emails do not get sent. I see the following in the logs: Mailman SMTP log: Oct 24 14:17:47 2023 (3759611) <169814622178.3759638.4589434779084932533@localhost> *response exception: (550, b'Helo name contains an IP address (HELO was [127.0.0.1]) and not is valid'*, 'testlist-bounces+myusername=myproject.eu(a)myproject.eu') Oct 24 14:17:47 2023 (3759611) <169814622178.3759638.4589434779084932533@localhost> smtp to testlist(a)myproject.eu for 1 recips, completed in 45.07745146751404 seconds Oct 24 14:17:47 2023 (3759611) <169814622178.3759638.4589434779084932533@localhost> post to testlist(a)myproject.eu from testlist-confirm+07d3315fa11a75588857fc93d1832ba74fb09fdd(a)myproject.eu, 1633 bytes, 1 failures Oct 24 14:17:47 2023 (3759611) <169814622178.3759638.4589434779084932533@localhost> delivery to myusername(a)myproject.eu failed with code 550, b*'Helo name contains an IP address (HELO was [127.0.0.1]) and not is valid'* Exim4 log: 2023-10-24 14:17:47 H=([127.0.0.1]) [XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX] rejected MAIL <testlist-bounces+myusername=myproject.eu(a)myproject.eu>: *Helo name contains an IP address (HELO was [127.0.0.1]) and not is valid* The weird thing is that when I do a mailman-web sendtestemail this email is sent successfully. Also please note that before the rDNS change I did not have an issue with mail sending. Last but not least, after some search I set in Exim4 the following: PRIMARY_HOST_NAME = *hestia.myserver.com <http://hestia.myserver.com>* Any help would be greatly appreciated. *Kyriakos Terzopoulos *Web developer / e-learning expert *Tel:*+30 211 213 9858 *Mobile:* +30 694 526 4512 * E-mail: *kyriakos.terzopoulos(a)gmail.com * Skype:* kyriakos.terzopoulos Find me on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/cirrus3d> Follow me on Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/cirrus3d>

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Without being logged in, at least one mailing list - flagged as no-show - is listed in https://mydomain/hyperkitty/
by Wikinaut Oct. 25, 2023

Oct. 25, 2023

The list is not yet used (i.e. "inactive"), but clearly flagged as " Show list on index page = no" I regard this as a bug.

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More Mailman releases!
by Abhilash Raj Oct. 24, 2023

Oct. 24, 2023

Hello Everyone, I am pleased to announce several new releases for GNU Mailman project. Thanks to all the contributors for making these releases possible! 1. Postorius 1.3.10 [1] 2. Hyperkitty 1.3.8 [2] 3. Django-mailman3 1.3.10 [3] 4. Mailman-web 0.0.7 [4] All the releases are published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ A full list of change logs are available below: [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-10 [2]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-8 [3]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst [4]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/blob/master/README.rst Do note that for Postorius, I released 1.3.9, but I forgot to update dependency metadata to require `django-mailman3>=1.3.10` (which is required for the new bootstrap 5 upgrade across packages) and so I also released Postorius 1.3.10 just after. Installation documentation is available at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html and if you are upgrading an existing virtualenv install you can refer https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html If you find any issues, you can report them at the respective bug tracker for the projects. The links to issue trackers are available at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/. Finally, similar to Mailman Core, note that PyPI doesn't accept signatures anymore so each packages' release page now has the tarball uploaded to them along with the signature: Django-mailman3: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/releases/v1.3.10 Hyperkitty: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/releases/v1.3.8 Postorius: https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/releases/v1.3.10 Mailman-web: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/releases/0.0.7 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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120 gmail users removed from lists !
by elemac＠free.fr Oct. 24, 2023

Oct. 24, 2023

Hello, on 15th October, 120 users with gmail address where suddenly removed from lists in mailman3, something changed in google ?

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Gmail bounces as a result to high send rate
by Mohsen Masoudfar Oct. 24, 2023

Oct. 24, 2023

I managed to receive the bounced emails to my mailbox and I can now see the stated reason for th eissue, the bulk of the emails are marked as "expired" due to the following response: "smtp; Message expired: unable to deliver in 840 minutes.< Our system has detected an unusual rate of unsolicited mail. To protect our users from spam, mail has been temporarily rate limited. Please visit https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError to review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines." The issue is exclusive to Gmail, no other email provider responded with a comparable message. I followed their recommendation, but I am not sure how to reduce the rate on Postfix side. Can I do it per list? or once per server? Thanks.

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Internal Server Error: /mailman/accounts/fedora/login/
by Kilian Kilger Oct. 24, 2023

Oct. 24, 2023

Hi mailing list, I own a mailman box. I regularily (many times a day) get mail with an internal server error. I am using Debian and the included mailman3-full package. I guess someone tries to hack my instance. But I don't understand why this leads to the internal server error. I am also wondering why the request URL is /mailman/accounts/fedora/login, as I am using Debian (understandable if the request happens via an outside trigger). I have no clue about the internal workings of mailman though. I use Debian 11 bullseye and thus version 3.3.3. I can trigger the internal server error by myself by visiting the request URL. Despite these emails the instance seems to work fine. Best regards, Kilian. Internal Server Error: /mailman/accounts/fedora/login/ TypeError at /accounts/fedora/login/ _openid_consumer() missing 2 required positional arguments: 'provider' and 'endpoint' Request Method: GET Request URL: <URL>/mailman/accounts/fedora/login/?process=login&next=/mailman/accounts/password/reset/ Django Version: 2.2.24 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.9/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3.9/dist-packages'] Server time: Fr, 17 Sep 2021 06:12:57 +0000 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in view 71. return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in dispatch 97. return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in get 56. return self.post(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in post 67. client = _openid_consumer(request) Exception Type: TypeError at /accounts/fedora/login/ Exception Value: _openid_consumer() missing 2 required positional arguments: 'provider' and 'endpoint' Request information: USER: AnonymousUser

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General question mailman3: message sender acceptance "always"
by Wikinaut Oct. 23, 2023

Oct. 23, 2023

I received one mail from a sender who's not a member for moderation (=ok). Mailman2 had the moderation option "allow this sender to sender further mails" (I call this: to add this sender to the additional "white list" of white-listed addresses.) I could not find such an option (in the moderation dialog) in Mailman3 (only "accept" or "reject" and "discard", but "accept and add to white-list = accept always"). Is it a bug or feature?

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