December 2022 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification
by Onyeibo Oku Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Good Morning Everyone, I installed and managed mailman 2 for about two years. I am now ready to try Mailman 3. The documentation for version 2 was lucid and this forum was quite helpful in the past. Now I'd like to proceed with installating MM3 but I doubt my understanding of the docs. It seems to assume that users will know what to do. Okay, don't laugh! I just want to be sure what I am doing. Does the following sequence resemble the proper steps? 1. Download the source from a git repo (I understood that one) 2. Create a virtual environment (venv perhaps ... not stated explicitly) 3. activate the virtual environment 4. from the git project root, run: ./mailman start I know, its stupid. I had to ask. It would really build my confidence someone would confirm the above steps or counter then with something very explicit. What about process ownership? Do I need to have a unix mailman user? What else do I need to get mailman up and running before proceeding to configuration. Ahaa! I perused the config docs a bit. Where can I find the .cfg file? I hope these questions are not too annoying. Regards Onyeibo

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Cross-List and Domain based sender whitelisting ( accept_these_nonmembers )
by Patrick Brückner Jan. 13, 2023

Jan. 13, 2023

Hi everyone, one of our servers that was running a mailman2 instance just crashed this afternoon, so we decided to take the leap and migrate to 3, and I have to say it worked pretty well, the lists seem to be back. What I can't seem to find is the option to whitelist senders based on a domain AND on membership on a different list. The lists are operated for a smallish university and all the professors need to be allowed to send to the students list, without being member of that list. That was possible with mailman2 by just whitelisting the university domain. Also, in the past we allowed all members of the all-students list to post to any of the dorm-lists (this is mainly used for party announcements so it is not a must have), but I wanted to ask anyways, if there was a chance to allow this feature again. According to the docs, the accept_these_nonmembers option exists (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) but none of my lists have that set after the migration - the field is not even there when accessing the REST API. Do I need to enable something? Has that feature been added just recently, and we are missing out (since we are using the apt packages from ubuntu)? Thanks in advance, Patrick

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Docker or virtualenv?
by Johannes Rohr Jan. 7, 2023

Jan. 7, 2023

Dear all, I have noticed that Ubuntu's current LTS no longer contains packages for mailman2 and its mailman3 packages are incomplete. So, prior to upgrading the server, I will have to migrate from mailman2 / distro packages to mailman3 installed either in virtualenv or docker. I have got zero experience with virtualenv and some experience with Docker. Overall, the docker method looks easier. Is docker the default method by now? Thanks! Johannes

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Extracting mailing list users
by Jan Eden Jan. 2, 2023

Jan. 2, 2023

Hi, I would like to export users of my mailing lists including their full name (if present). The export button in Postorius creates a CSV with addresses only, and the tool bin/list_members mentioned in the [Mailman 2 FAQ] does not seem to be available in Mailman 3. I have full access to the server/database, so scraping the web interface with [Mark's script] seems unneccessary. Is there an SQL statement (or an equivalent of bin/list_members) to extract the data? Thanks, Jan [Mailman 2 FAQ]: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20extract%20%28export%29%20a%20list%… [Mark's script]: https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers3.py

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Web UI setup
by Lars Bjørndal Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

Thanks a lot for all your valuable help! I've followed the guide at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> I need to run mailman 2 and mailman 3 in parallel until I've migrated all lists, on several domains. I created the file /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman3.conf with the content <VirtualHost *:80> ErrorLog logs/mailman3-error_log CustomLog logs/mailman3-access_log common RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off [NC] RewriteRule ^/mailman3(/.*) https://%{HTTP_HOST}/mailman3$1 [L,R=permanent] </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost *:443> ErrorLog logs/mailman3-error_log CustomLog logs/mailman3-access_log common include conf.d/certref.inc SSLEngine on </VirtualHost> <location /mailman3> ProxyPass http://localhost:8000 </location> The idea is to prepare mailman3 for several virtual domains. When I connect to lamasti.net/mailman3, the title is example.com. How can I change that? Thanks Lars

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Apache
by Lars Bjørndal Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

I have already Apache installed and running for mailman2 and other resources. How do I serve mailman3 from Apache for the respective domains? Thanks in advance Lars

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Early release of mailman 3.3.8 possible?
by Torge Riedel Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

Dear list / devs, is it possible to release 3.3.8 early? As far as I can see it is a prereq for my planned upgrade of the server from Ubuntu LTS 20.04 to Ubunto LTS 22.04. I use MySQL in my setup (own installation in venv), so my installation is affected by #1044, which is closed in 3.3.8 Also Ubuntu LTS 22.04 comes with Python 3.10 (https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=jammy&keywords=python3) where the support is also stated earliest for 3.3.8 (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.…) Am I right with my findings? I planned to upgrade the server until end of this year, because there is less traffic in the last days of a year. But I think unless 3.3.8 is not released, I cannot update the server. Kind regards Torge

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MM2 -> MM3 Migration
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

I looked at my list archives and saw that the latest post was on Dec 8, 2022. Then, because I wanted to import any posts that happened from 8th to now(), I looked at two posts: 1. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This talks about 'hyperkitty_import *--since=01.01.2022* -l mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file' 2. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2018-July/083607.html Which talks about 'hyperkitty_import *--since='1990-01-01'* -l mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file' I am concerned about the implication of the date format here, especially because our species from America write their dates differently than the British, even though the British colonized us all :P Well, I haven't looked at the manpage (--help) before posting this, and I know I should, but even without that, does Mailman speak American or British English when it comes to the date format? :-) In my case, I have done this: ' hyperkitty_import --since='2022-12-08' -l mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file' After that I ran: /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin update_index_one_listmylist@mydomain And I am hoping that I will have the posts since Dec 8 to Dec 29 showing up in my archives. However, I am not sure. Hope someone can explain to the audience. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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Twitter OAuth2
by Odhiambo Washington Dec. 31, 2022

Dec. 31, 2022

I'd like to integrate Twitter OAuth as part of the Social Accounts in my setup. I have gone through https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/providers.html#twitter, but cannot find the config options to add to my settings. Does someone have a config block setting for "SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS =" ? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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combine postorius and hyperkitty into one Apache vhost
by Wolfgang Rosenauer Dec. 29, 2022

Dec. 29, 2022

Hi, I'm in the process to set up a new mailman3 site. (Migrating from mailman2) There are RPMs for my distribution which integrate postorius and hyperkitty with uwsgi. The provided samples assume that both are running in different vhosts what I would like to avoid. Since I couldn't find any uwsgi examples for that I'm experimenting heavily but still having issues. I might just miss a simple thing (hopefully). My current apache config: Alias "/mailman/static" "/srv/www/webapps/mailman/postorius/static" ProxyPassMatch ^/mailman/static ! ProxyPass /mailman unix:/run/uwsgi/uwsgi-postorius.sock|uwsgi://localhost-postorius/ Alias "/archives/static" "/srv/www/webapps/mailman/hyperkitty/static" ProxyPassMatch ^/archives/static ! ProxyPass /archives unix:/run/uwsgi/uwsgi-hyperkitty.sock|uwsgi://localhost-hyperkitty/ This currently assumes that postorius just gets a mailman/ prefix and hyperkitty archives/ This setup immediately fails because of the urlpatterns filter in these components. For testing purposes I changed the patterns in urls.py slightly and I could make it work for me. BUT: This cannot be the solution, can it? Isn't there an easier way to allow these components to run under a different document root? Something slightly unrelated but causing issues in some edge cases also is that Django? does not detect the request url properly. For some functionality e.g. when I want to login to Django admin under /archives/admin (even after modifying urls.py) I get a redirect after the form which shows that my initial path was not recognized as /archives/admin but /archive//admin instead. So the last character is replaced with a / Any hints for me? Thanks, Wolfgang

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