November 2022 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

Default list styles
by Jan Eden 27 Nov '22

27 Nov '22

Hi, the list creation web interface offers three list styles (announce, ordinary, ordinary w/ private archive). When selecting the announce style, I would expect a different default message acceptance setting for members (i.e. reject), because this is how an announce list should work. In practice, a list created with the announce style is configured just as an ordinary mailing list (as far as I can see in the web interface, and according to the handling of a test message sent by a regular member of an announce list). What am I missing here? - Jan

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Mailman3 not able to deliver emails sent through list, but moderation notifications
by Daniel Böhmer 27 Nov '22

27 Nov '22

Hello Mailman users, I've been using Mailman2 for 10+ years and have recently upgraded to Debian Buster with Mailman3. I've tried to setup Mailman3 similarly but it fails to deliver emails sent through a list. I do receive all moderation notifications at the same time. During startup /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log receives: > Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 but I've made sure postfix is listening on *:25 for both IPv4 and IPv6. When sending a message to a list the same file receives: > Nov 25 11:38:14 2022 (70371) ACCEPT: <MESSAGEID@HOST> (message ID and host redacted) and nothing else happens: no more log messages, Postfix logs the email sent TO Mailman but doesn't log anything about emails sent BY Mailman. If Mailman fails to send emails via Postfix I'd expect it to log error messages but it doesn't seem to do so. I found this article stating the the SMTP error message might be misleading: https://blog.tfiu.de/mailman3-cannot-connect-to-smtp-server-localhost-on-po… How to further debug this? What could be wrong with my Mailman3 instance and how to fix it? Kind regards Daniel Böhmer

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MTA authentication and smtpd_sender_login_maps
by Jan Eden 25 Nov '22

25 Nov '22

Hi, I installed Mailman3 successfully and would like to change the default smtp settings to an authenticated connection (smtp_user, smtp_pass). But my Postfix configuration restricts sending messages via the smtpd_sender_login_maps directive (which points to a hashed file I created years ago) and correctly refuses connections for messages with the test mailing list's From header. I obviously do not want to add an entry to the map file for each mailing list created by someone on the server. Is there a way to programmatically create a sender login map with Mailman? Thanks, Jan

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Hyperkitty no longer archiving
by Hirayama, Pat 23 Nov '22

23 Nov '22

Greetings, A couple of months ago, I needed to move the Mailman3 server I inherited from one AWS account to another AWS account. This necessitated a change in the IP address of instance hosting the docker containers that comprise my mailman3 server. I thought I had updated the IP address wherever it needed to be, but I suppose I've missed something, because hyperkitty has not been archiving any messages. (Most of my lists don't archive, so it took a while before someone noticed). When I look at /opt/mailman/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool, I see messages dating back over the past couple of months waiting to be archived. So, they don't appear to be lost (and things are being mailed out normally). The thing is, the IP addresses of the docker containers haven't changed with respect to docker networking. docker networking ------------------------ docker host 172.31.0.1 mailman-core 172.31.0.3 mailman-nginx 172.31.0.5 mailman-postfix 172.31.0.4 mailman-django-uwsgi 172.31.0.2 settings_local.py: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('172.18.8.14', '172.31.0.1', '172.31.0.2', '172.31.0.3', '172.31.0.4', '172.31.0.5', '127.0.0.1', '::1') During troubleshooting, I added 172.18.8.14 (new IP of the webserver), but that didn't seem to help. It seems like I added one of the docker addresses that was missing .... but again, that doesn't seem to have fixed the issue. mailmansuite.log is full of: ERROR 2022-11-22 00:25:40,365 7 hyperkitty.views.mailman Access to the archiving API endpoint was forbidden from IP 172.31.0.1, your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting may be misconfigured ERROR 2022-11-22 00:25:40,399 7 hyperkitty.views.mailman Access to the archiving API endpoint was forbidden from IP 172.31.0.1, your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting may be misconfigured Any suggestions as to where I might look for a solution, or what setting I need to change? Thanks! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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Upgrading a Ubuntu Mailman 3 Installation
by Allan Hansen 21 Nov '22

21 Nov '22

Dear Mailman 3 wizards, Several years ago I tried upgrading to Mailman 3 (I did install Mailman 2), but quickly ran into a thicket too complex for me to get out of. Two others - way more experienced than me at system-level manipulations - tried as well but did not succeed. Brian Carpenter of EMWD installed the system seemingly effortlessly, and seemingly overnight. We had a good relationship, and I was a beta site for his new product, SAAS. Brian also did the system MM3 upgrades as they appeared and would check that all was well a couple of times a year. Unfortunately, and I respect that, the current management at EMWD "don't provide working hands service for foreign Mailman 3 installations." I do not dare touch it, based on my earlier attempts with the installation. With Brian's passing I'm thus faced with a system that has no capable system support (I manage the lists, not the core). I have 50+ lists with 10000+ subscription total, and a lot of people depend on this tool. (It's a non-profit organization). So, I'm interesting in hiring someone for part-time, occasional work (a few times a year). Update MM3 as new versions are made available. Diagnose and fix the system if anything goes awry. I will pay you, as I did Brian, out of my own pocket, for your time. Yours, Allan Hansen

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Migrating to mailman-web and Ubuntu 22.04
by Andrew Hodgson 16 Nov '22

16 Nov '22

Hi. For various reasons I want to migrate to a larger host running Ubuntu 22.04. I have set up the various packages ok and as part of the migration I want to use mailman-web instead of mailman-suite which is an older setup. I have instructions for Mailman-web for setting up Uwsgi but I would prefer to keep Gunicorn working as per the instructions here: DOC/Mailman 3 installation experience - Mailman Wiki (list.org)<https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience> Has anyone done this before? Thanks. Andrew.

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New Mailman Core Release
by Mark Sapiro 15 Nov '22

15 Nov '22

We are pleased to announce the release of Mailman core 3.3.7. It is published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ The change log is at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… - please note the `BREAKING CHANGE` documented there and due to our now using SQLAlchemy >-1.4. Finally, the minimum Python version required is 3.7 although, 3.9 is recommended if you are doing a new install for longest support. 3.10 is supported for Django apps, but Mailman Core is missing that due to one of the core dependencies (aiosmtpd) not supporting 3.10 yet. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Do not display any lists on index the page (/postorius/lists/) by default (when you create the list it defaults to Hide) - Debian package install
by daniel.botting＠codethink.co.uk 11 Nov '22

11 Nov '22

Hi all, I am currently in the process of moving from mailman 2.1 to mailman 3, the basic functions are completed (mailing list and archiving). On our current mailman 2.1 install it advises there are no publicly advertised lists, when I visit mailman3-list.domain/postorius/lists/ I see all the lists that have been created, I require them not to be displayed. I know when you create a list you can on the 'Advertise this list' line select 'Hide this list in list index', but I would like it to default to this in case somebody forgets to select it. I am not a Python expert, though from the description at the top of the below file and the contents further down it looks like you are defining in base.py and then in default.py you are using what was defined, a class of 'Private' which should cause the lists not to be advertised, but they are? File: /usr/ib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/base.py class Private: """Settings for private mailing lists.""" def apply(self, mailing_list): mlist = mailing_list mlist.advertised = False <-------------- mlist.archive_policy = ArchivePolicy.private mlist.subscription_policy = SubscriptionPolicy.confirm_then_moderate File: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/default.py class PrivateDefaultStyle( Identity, BasicOperation, Bounces, Private, Discussion, Moderation): """Style for mailing-lists with private archives.""" name = 'private-default' description = _('Discussion mailing list style with private archives.') def apply(self, mailing_list): """See `IStyle`.""" Identity.apply(self, mailing_list) BasicOperation.apply(self, mailing_list) Bounces.apply(self, mailing_list) Private.apply(self, mailing_list) Discussion.apply(self, mailing_list) Moderation.apply(self, mailing_list) I added the below to /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg: [styles] # The default style to apply if nothing else was requested. The value is the # name of an existing style. If no such style exists, no style will be # applied. default: private-default I took 'private-default' from /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/default.py, this means now when a new list is created the List style is 'Discussion mail list style with private archives so it is not displayed when you are logged out at /hyperkitty. Many thanks Daniel

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Re: MM3.3 ignores
by Axel Rau 08 Nov '22

08 Nov '22

Am 08.11.2022 um 09:14 schrieb Axel Rau <Axel.Rau(a)chaos1.de>: > Am 08.11.2022 um 08:11 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>: > > > What is /var/templates now? I.e., is it a symlink to /usr/local/mailman3/var/templates? what does `ls -l /var/templates` (no slash at the end) show? > It does not exist. No directory, no link. Maybe I remember it wrong. Axel PS: Can I send posts with attachments to this list? My last posting didn’t make it. --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

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MM3.3 ignores
by Axel Rau 08 Nov '22

08 Nov '22

Hi all, mm 3.3.5 started to complain: - - - File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 142, in load self.push(filename, user_config.read()) File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 148, in push self._post_process() File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 160, in _post_process self.ensure_directories_exist() File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 253, in ensure_directories_exist makedirs(directory) File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/filesystem.py", line 69, in makedirs os.makedirs(path, mode) File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/os.py", line 225, in makedirs mkdir(name, mode) PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates‘ - - - part from mailman.cfg: - - - [paths.dev] var_dir: $cfg_file/../.. [paths.here] var_dir: $cwd/var [paths.fhs] bin_dir: /usr/local/bin var_dir: /var/lib/mailman queue_dir: /var/spool/mailman log_dir: /var/log/mailman lock_dir: /var/spool/lock/mailman etc_dir: /usr/local/etc ext_dir: /usr/local/etc/mailman.d pid_file: /var/run/mailman/master.pid [paths.home] var_dir: /usr/local/mailman3 - - - var subdirectory: - - - (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33]# ls -l /usr/local/mailman3/var/ total 62 drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 3 18 Jan. 2022 archives drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 2 18 Jan. 2022 cache drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 2 18 Jan. 2022 data drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 4 2 Feb. 2022 etc drwxr-xr-x 6 mailman mailman 6 19 Jan. 2022 lists drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 2 5 Nov. 17:48 locks drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 7 18 Jan. 2022 logs drwxr-xr-x 155 mailman mailman 155 24 Okt. 09:09 messages drwxr-xr-x 3 root mailman 3 14 Juni 17:57 old_templates drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman 14 18 Jan. 2022 queue drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 3 18 Jan. 2022 templates # ls -ld /usr/local/mailman3 drwxr-xr-x 11 mailman mailman 24 24 März 2022 /usr/local/mailman3 - - - I’m confused with the layout (and I dont like var stuff not in var). I have no layout set. Why does it not see /usr/local/mailman3/var/templates ? Any help apprecaiated Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

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