November 2021 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

SMTPSenderRefused - howto enable STARTTLS for local mail drop
by Stefan Bauer Dec. 7, 2021

Dec. 7, 2021

Dear users, how can we configure mailman3, to use STARTTLS when dropping mails to local postfix for final delivery? Mailman seems to not support this. Even the web-interface complains: SMTPSenderRefused at /accounts/login/(530, b'5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first', 'postorius(a)lists.mydomain.tld')Request Method: POST Request URL: https://mm3.mydomain.tld/mailman3/accounts/login/ Django Version: 2.2.12 Exception Type: SMTPSenderRefused Exception Value: (530, b'5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first', 'postorius(a)lists.mydomain.tld')Exception Location: /usr/lib/python3.8/smtplib.py in sendmail, line 880 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.8.10 Python Path: ['.', '', Thank you. Stefan

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Sort Lists in Postorious
by Jonathan Wright Nov. 30, 2021

Nov. 30, 2021

Is there a way to sort the lists displayed on the main page of Postorious?

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Renaming a server after building
by Philip Colmer Nov. 27, 2021

Nov. 27, 2021

We're getting closer to migrating from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3. In preparation, I want to get new servers built ready to accept the migrated data from our old MM2 servers before we shut them down. So, the new servers will be something like "new-lists.example.com" to complement the existing "lists.example.com" servers. When we are ready to do the migration, we'll rename the MM2 servers to "old-lists" and rename the MM3 servers to "lists" and then migrate the data. Looking at the settings in the Django admin interface, I *thought* I had figure out how best to do this: - Under /admin/sites/site/, click on the existing domain name and change it to match the correct FQDN. - Under /admin/django_mailman3/maildomain/, click on the exist mail domain and change the mail domain to match the correct FQDN. However, although the above works, if I then go back to the *Mailman* interface and go to /mailman3/domains/, the web interface recreates a domain for the original domain name that was in place when the server was created, i.e. we end up with "lists" and "new-lists". We've tried deleting that "new-lists" domain, rebooting and trying again but "new-lists" keeps on being created again. What am I overlooking here? Is there a better/approved way to achieve what we want to achieve? Thanks. Philip

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Hyperkitty: Error when rebuilding Index
by M4tze Nov. 26, 2021

Nov. 26, 2021

Dear list members, if there is any Hyperkitty expert here, I have issues in Hyperkitty (just updated Maxkings Docker images) when rebuilding the Index. Unfortunately, there are more than 25,000 mails and I do not know which one is/might be broken. Does the error mean that the rebuilding process is incomplete or does it simply skip the erroneous message? Thank you in advance - M4tze Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 297, in handle self.update_backend(label, using) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 342, in update_backend max_pk = do_update( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 100, in do_update current_qs = list(current_qs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 269, in __len__ self._fetch_all() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1308, in _fetch_all self._result_cache = list(self._iterable_class(self)) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 53, in __iter__ results = compiler.execute_sql(chunked_fetch=self.chunked_fetch, chunk_size=self.chunk_size) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1156, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 66, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers(sql, params, many=False, executor=self._execute) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 75, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 73, in execute return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 209, in execute res = self._query(query) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 317, in _query self._post_get_result() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 352, in _post_get_result self._rows = self._fetch_row(0) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 325, in _fetch_row return self._result.fetch_row(size, self._fetch_type) UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xed in position 3209: invalid continuation byte

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mass subscribers disablement!?
by Christian Stalberg Nov. 26, 2021

Nov. 26, 2021

I added the additional hosts to ALLOWED HOSTS in settings_local.py and mailman is distributing mail to subscribers again. However, I then received many emails of valid users subscriptions being disabled. What would cause that? Can subscriber management be done via command line?

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Post-installation documentation?
by David Newman Nov. 26, 2021

Nov. 26, 2021

Is post-installation documentation available for a full Mailman3 installation on a new Debian 11 machine? I am looking for a high-level "do these steps next to get a list working" document rather than an API command reference. I followed the venv documentation and the installation went ok, but still have questions about what to do next, e.g.: - why do the venv docs and admin FAQ give different nginx configs for the reverse proxy? https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#confirmation-emails-to-users-h… https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#nginx-configura… - Does the 'Secret_Hyperkitty_API_Key' need to go anywhere else besides /opt/mailman/mm/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg? - For Django (presumably in /etc/mailman3/settings.py, but the docs don't say), what values to use with Postfix to set up the email back end? I have a working test list, but am not altogether sure it's set up correctly. Thanks in advance for pointers to docs beyond the installation steps. dn

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List in list, mutiple reply-to addresses
by Stefan Bauer Nov. 26, 2021

Nov. 26, 2021

Dear List, we habe observerd the following behavior, when a list is member of another list, the reply-to-address has multiple entires: list iu-all@mydomain member: iu-int@mydomain list iu-int@mydomain member: john@mydomain Case) Sender: mike@mydomain To: iu-all@mydomain john receives following mail: from: iu-int@mydomain reply-to: mike@mydomain, iu-all@mydomain If john now hits reply in mailclient, mail goes to ALL instead of just the from-address, as mailman extended the reply-to header. How can this be changed? thank you. Stefan

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Unsubscribe all (any plan to use mass-subscription API?)
by Alan So Nov. 22, 2021

Nov. 22, 2021

Tested that "Unsubscribe all" in Postorius1.3.6 is not making use of mass-subscription API while mass removal of a list of addresses already make use of the API. Any plan to change to use the API in 1.3.7? Thanks.

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AttributeError: ,> 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream'
by David Newman Nov. 22, 2021

Nov. 22, 2021

((reposting with correct subject line -- sorry!)) Greetings. I am attempting a complete Mailman 3 installation on a Debian 10 system that already runs Mailman 2, following this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html Even following this guide, I'd had a lot of issues with permissions, where directories and files were owned by list rather than mailman. After correcting those issues, I then got to the point of checking mailman3's status, and systemctl shows this error: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: Traceback (most recent call last): Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 2038, in shutdown Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: h.flush() Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 67, in flush Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: if self._stream: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream' There is an October 2019 thread on this error [1] but I think it's in a different context, where the OP already had mailman3 running, and was trying to migrate Mailman 2 lists. Also, regarding those permissions issues above, it matters which "layout" value is in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. I'd tried "dev" because I saw a post from Mark Sapiro recommending that, but then mailman3 wanted me to create a bunch of directories under /etc, even though $var_dir was set to /var/lib/mailman3. Things seem to go better, except for the confusion between lists/mailman ownership, when I set layout to "debian", which was the default. Thanks in advance for clues on addressing the ReopenableFileHandler error above. dn [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…

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Equivalent of listadmin Perl script for Mailman 3?
by Philip Colmer Nov. 20, 2021

Nov. 20, 2021

Hi We're preparing to migrate about 4 Mailman 2 servers to Mailman 3. In doing so, one of our list administrators has informed us that he uses "listadmin" (Petter Reinholdtsen: listadmin, the quick way to moderate mailman lists - nice free software (skolelinux.org) <http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/listadmin__the_quick_way_to_moderate…> ) Does anyone know if there is an equivalent tool that works with Mailman 3? Thank you. Regards Philip

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