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Subscription issue with ghost confirmations
by Brian Carpenter Nov. 1, 2020

Nov. 1, 2020

I have a list owner who had his subscription policy set to confirm. Apparently that was too hard for his list members to handle so he changed it to moderate only. If someone sent a subscription request that needed to be confirm, did not respond to it, and then tried subscribing again after the member policy changed to moderate, their 2nd subscription attempt still shows up in the confirmation queue. Is that normal behavior. My understanding is it is. Please let me know if I am wrong here. The real mystery here is when someone tried subscribing again (listname-subscribe@listdomain) hours after the subscription policy was changed to moderate and they still showed up in the confirm queue. How is that possible? I tested the list with two of my addresses and both showed up in the moderation queue as expected. As far as I can tell from the mailman logs, this was the person's first attempt at subscribing. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Internal Server Error on installing Mailman 3 using PIP
by Shashikanth Komandoor Oct. 28, 2020

Oct. 28, 2020

Dear Mark, As you have suggested in my earlier issue, I have implemented the latest stable version of mailman 3 through the URL https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… . But after the installation through the above URL, when I tried running the command *elinks http://localhost:8000/postorius/lists <http://localhost:8000/postorius/lists>* or *elinks http://localhost:8000/admin <http://localhost:8000/admin>*, I got the error as *Internal Server Error*. I don't find any specific log in mailman.log or in mailmansuite.log. Is there any way to solve this issue ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

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AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'
by Shashikanth Komandoor Oct. 28, 2020

Oct. 28, 2020

Hi Team, I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.2rc2 and in built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.9 version with default values. As of now, we don't have any lists and just installed software components only. After the installation and configuration, I have tried creating the domains and lists. I was successful in creating them but when I tried to login and browse the lists using LDAP authentication, I am getting the "Mailman REST API not available. Restart Mailman core". I see the below trace in the mailmansuite.log. *Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 119, in __getattr__ return self._get(name) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 86, in _get raise KeyError(key)KeyError: 'get_requests_count'During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/var/lib/mailman/postorius/src/postorius/views/generic.py", line 74, in dispatch return super(MailingListView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 97, in dispatch return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/var/lib/mailman/postorius/src/postorius/views/list.py", line 311, in get return render(request, 'postorius/lists/summary.html', data) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 19, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 62, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/library.py", line 234, in render return t.render(new_context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 173, in render return self._render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 309, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 309, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 936, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 903, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 986, in render output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 697, in resolve new_obj = func(obj, *arg_vals) File "/var/lib/mailman/postorius/src/postorius/templatetags/nav_helpers.py", line 80, in pending_subscriptions return mlist.get_requests_count(token_owner='moderator') File "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 124, in __getattr__ self.__class__.__name__, name))AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'ERROR 2020-10-25 19:29:46,101 835 django.server "GET /postorius/lists/mailteamhyd.dlist.nic.in/ <http://mailteamhyd.dlist.nic.in/> HTTP/1.1" 500 1162* I don't see any error messages in the mailman.log. And I also executed a few curl commands in getting the details of the lists created and list info which I got their results successfully. Could you please guide where exactly I am missing or do I need to make any changes in my customizations ? -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Cron error
by gordon＠dickens.com Oct. 25, 2020

Oct. 25, 2020

I recently upgraded to mailman3 on two Debian servers and I am getting a cron error periodically sent to me as depicted below. It looks like a permission problem, however, /var/lib/mailman3/locks and /var/lib/mailman3/* all have user = "list" and group = "list" and the cron job runs as user = "list" so I don't quite understand why I am getting these errors. Hopefully, someone might reply with what the problem is. Thanks, Gordon Here is some additional information: "ls -ld locks" output: drwxr-xr-x 2 list list 4096 Sep 28 08:51 locks ls -l locks" output: total 12 -rw-rw---- 1 list list 80 Sep 28 00:00 'dbcreate.lck|slc.mailhub4u.com|24435|4056142050254595815' -rw-rw---- 2 list list 77 Sep 28 2020 master.lck -rw-rw---- 2 list list 77 Sep 28 2020 'master.lck|slc.mailhub4u.com|5291|3708878559945320758' Here is the error message that is emailed to me: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 216, in lock os.link(self._claimfile, self._lockfile) FileExistsError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck|slc.mailhub4u.com|24435|4056142050254595815' -> '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.2.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 764, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 716, in main with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 641, in make_context self.parse_args(ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1089, in parse_args rest = Command.parse_args(self, ctx, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 940, in parse_args value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1477, in handle_parse_result self.callback, ctx, self, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 96, in invoke_param_callback return callback(ctx, param, value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 94, in initialize_config initialize(value) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 218, in initialize initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 177, in initialize_2 config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 50, in create with Lock(os.path.join(config.LOCK_DIR, 'dbcreate.lck')): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 334, in __enter__ self.lock() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 248, in lock elif self._read() == self._claimfile: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 442, in _read with open(self._lockfile) as fp: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck'

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migration from 2.1 - owners and moderators
by Alex Schuilenburg Oct. 25, 2020

Oct. 25, 2020

We're migrating from 2.1 to 3.2.1 and an odd issue has popped up. It may be something different in the way mailman3 works, or a misconfiguration on my part. Most of the lists migrated so far don't have moderators, just owners. However, when these lists have messages requiring moderation, the owners dont get notified of held messages - unlike 2.1 where they did. Is this a change or is there something I am missing in the configuration? I have the minute/quarterly/hourly etc cron jobs running, although I have had to tune down the frequency of minute to hourly as it takes 6.5 minutes to run* - but I doubt this is the cause. While for the moment I have found the held messages in files in /var/lib/mailman3/messages and figured out which lists are in need of attention (and notified the owners), it seems I may have to do a bit of coding myself to walk through the lists and notify owners when their list is in need of attention. There must surely be something that does this already - or is this moderators only in mailman3? Guidance appreciated. Thanks -- Alex * From the list I realise this is because I am still using the default whoosh backend to haystack and need urgently to switch to xapian or solr, but the info on how to get this working for a noob like me is unfortunately lacking :-(

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How to get Hyperkitty to show actual sender e-mail addresses?
by Hans-Martin Mosner Oct. 24, 2020

Oct. 24, 2020

Hi, I'd like to show actual sender e-mail addresses (basically to block spammers sending to a list that is used as a contact address, so it has no moderation for non-member postings). Hyperkitty just show the display name, which not very informative. Is there a setting to change this behavior? I did not find any using internet search and sifting through the various config files, but I could easily have missed something. Cheers, Hans-Martin

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Alias Domains in postfix_domains wrong way around?
by Hans-Martin Mosner Oct. 24, 2020

Oct. 24, 2020

Hi, we have an "Unusual Postfix configuration" and use "Alias Domains" to work around. However, it looks like "mailman aliases" generates the postfix_domains map the wrong way around, resulting in postfix "Relay access denied" errors for mails received from outside. Didn't notice at first since I tried locally of course. Is my understanding correct that postfix_domains should have the true (externally visible) domains as keys, and values that basically don't matter, or should it have both the real domains and their alias names as keys? With such a convoluted setup, my brain twists a little. For now, I'm listing the real domains explicitly, that seems to work for the local and non-local cases. Cheers, Hans-Martin

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Unsubscribe Notifications to List Owners and Members
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 22, 2020

Oct. 22, 2020

It seems that the only time an unsubscribe notification is sent to a list owner and/or list member is when a list member sends an email to lisname-unsubscribe@listdomain and that list member is not registered with Affinity/Postorius. Can anyone confirm this and if confirmed, is this considered a bug? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Re: Unsubscribe Notifications to List Owners and Members
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 22, 2020

Oct. 22, 2020

What list are you trying to unsubscribe from and how are you doing it? On 10/22/20 4:58 PM, Jerry Koutavas wrote: > > No offense but been trying to unsubscribe for months, nothing happens > > *From:*Brian Carpenter [mailto:brian_carpenter@emwd.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2020 4:56 PM > *To:* Mailman users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> > *Subject:* [MM3-users] Unsubscribe Notifications to List Owners and > Members > > It seems that the only time an unsubscribe notification is sent to a > list owner and/or list member is when a list member sends an email to > lisname-unsubscribe@listdomain <mailto:lisname-unsubscribe@listdomain> > and that list member is not registered > with Affinity/Postorius. Can anyone confirm this and if confirmed, is > this considered a bug? > > > > -- > Brian Carpenter > Harmonylists.com > Emwd.com > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > <mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *Total Control Panel* > > > > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=ascii.com> > > To: jk(a)ascii.com > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=10188568&domain=ascii.com> > > From: mailman-users-bounces+jk=ascii.com(a)mailman3.org > <mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jk=ascii.com@mailman3.org> > > > > Message Score: 70 > > > > High (60): Fail > > My Spam Blocking Level: Medium > > > > Medium (75): Pass > > > > > Low (90): Pass > > Block > <https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&bl-sender-address=1&hID=458079…> > this sender / Block > <https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&ent=1&bl-sender-address=1&hID=…> > this sender enterprise-wide > > > > Block > <https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&bl-sender-domain=1&hID=4580794…> > mailman3.org / Block > <https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&ent=1&bl-sender-domain=1&hID=4…> > mailman3.org enterprise-wide > > > > /This message was delivered because the content filter score did not > exceed your filter level./ > -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Confirm and Moderate Unsubscribe Requests
by Brian Carpenter Oct. 22, 2020

Oct. 22, 2020

If you set the unsubscription policy to confirm then moderate for a list and someone unsubscribes, they receive a confirmation request. That is good. They respond to it. That is also working fine. However the list owner/moderator than gets a request to approve the unsubscribe request and well, unless I am missing something, I don't see an interface to handles such requests via Postorius. How does one handle an unsubscribe request that requires moderator approval? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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