September 2024 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

MM3 Bounces status
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook 21 Sep '24

21 Sep '24

Hi, I have some lists which are used primarily as a distribution method (rather than chat) and the person who uses these lists doesn't have access to the detailed MM logs and is not interested in that. It would be very helpful for message bounces (& any other anomalous events, if any) were to be available to that person for each message that is sent out, in a manner similar to mailgun et al. I know something of the bounce processing MM3 does, but it seems to be totally hidden from e.g. the postorius end of things (unless I'm missing something?). Is there a way for bounce events to be emailed to the list owner, or for something to be available in postorius to show this info? If not in the standard package, do other people have ad-hoc solutions to this issue? My ideal option would be for a configurable per-message email or postorius link that reports the number of emails to send (=number in mlist), the number on 'no-mail', the number sent successfully (=no bounce?), the emails of those who bounced (with bounce score), and emails of blocked sends (eg by multiple bounces). So for example: Bounce report for listname: Email Subject: Announcement Sent: today at time From Email: user(a)example.com received (today at time) To List: listname(a)example.com with 100 subscribers; 89 successful; 4 bounces; 3 blocks; 4 nomail; Bounces: - foo(a)bar.example.com (no mailbox) - bar23(a)foo.example.com (timeout) - alice(a)baz.example.org (mailbox full) - bob(a)example.net (bounce-reason) Blocked: - foo(a)bob.example.com (score 3) - bar23(a)alice.example.com (admin ban) - alice(a)alice.example.org (score 2) I suspect that my ideal option would require changes to the internal processing, because MM would need to keep more information about bounces than I think it currently does. It might also need to retain more information about LMTP delivery statuses? Thanks in hope? Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog:http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn:http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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CSV import for mass subscription
by Markus Grandpré 20 Sep '24

20 Sep '24

Dear list, we noticed that there is a function to convert the member list into a CSV format and save it.Therefore, we would like to know if the implementation of a CVS import for mass subscription is already planned? If not, how can we submit a corresponding feature request? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Questions regarding message acceptance
by Pawel Grzywaczewski 19 Sep '24

19 Sep '24

Hello, I have few questions regarding usage of Mailman3: 1) We have list1 and list2 with members. Can we specify that all members of list1 can post messages to list2? We could potentially write a script that would synchronize members of another list to “Accept these non-members” of another list, but with thousands of lists it will be difficult to maintain lists in synchro. So perhaps there is a concept of adding another list to “Accept these non-members” and mailman real-time evaluate membership of another list upon message arrival? 2) In explanation of “Accept these non-members” it’s written: “While non-regexp addresses can be entered here, it is preferred to add the address as a nonmember and set the nonmember's Moderation to Default Processing”. I noticed that if someone posts to a list then he is added automatically to non-members. Which means that next time he will be able to post. My understanding is that it’s better to use the feature “Accept these non-members”. Am I correct? Thank you, Paweł

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Configure new list via REST API - trying to add moderators
by Andy Matthews 19 Sep '24

19 Sep '24

I'm stepping into some existing code which creates a new list via the REST API. I know this works because I can shell into the mailman3 box and run `mailman lists` and it shows the newly created list. We're also submitting list config options via the `/lists/<list id>/config` endpoint, but there's a specific key that we have in our config map that doesn't appear in the REST API docs and I'm wondering about it. We have an array of strings called `moderator` that appears to send successfully. But looking at the docs for "Mailing list configuration" (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) I don't see anything named `moderator` The "Managing owners and moderators" docs (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…) indicate that we can perform add owners and moderators via a Python shell, but don't indicate that it's possible to do it via REST. Is this true?

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Phantom Email Address in Nonmember List
by Steve Brown 18 Sep '24

18 Sep '24

Have an issue that is more of a puzzle than a problem. No real harm done. So don't spend much time on it if you don't recognize the issue. I am administrator for a small list, radg(a)lists.radg.us, hosted by Mailmanlists.net. They are trying hard to figure it out but so far unsuccessful. Looking at the headers of emails sent from steve(a)stevebrown.us to the list and boomeranged back to me, I see a line “X-MailFrom: bounce+66273f.99dcd9c-radg=lists.radg.us(a)stevebrown.xn--us-02t. I gather that it is designating the return path where a message would be sent if there was a delivery problem. From its position in the header, I suspect it is added as they pass through Mailgun, maybe related to DKIM. I am hoping you might know why that bounce address is recognized by Mailman 3 as a real address for my emails, but not for others, even from my wife’s computer traversing the same path from our home to the Mailman 3 server. The Mailman installation does get and process the post, but also puts the “bounce+,,,” address in its list of nonmembers. Mailmanlists.net hasn’t figured out the behavior. I can provide full header information if that would help. My understanding of how headers work is very limited. Steve Brown

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mailman import21 passwords
by Sam Darwin 17 Sep '24

17 Sep '24

Hi, On https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq-migration.html it says "Mailman 3 has a completely new account management system, none of the passwords from Mailman 2 will work with Mailman 3. Each user needs to sign up in Postorius for a new account to manage their memberships on all lists on a single instance." "Each user needs to sign up in Postorius for a new account" I am (personally) satisfied with this answer. However others at the company are asking for a detailed explanation. Consider that - - Mailman2 has access to password information. - Import scripts such as "import21" are able to import list information. - It seems that scripts such as "import21" could also generate new user accounts and passwords based on the previous ones. Why can't passwords be imported from mailman2 to mailman3? How difficult would it be to do? (is there a link to where this is already explained? ) Thanks

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Required permissions for mass operations
by mailman3＠werner.by 15 Sep '24

15 Sep '24

Hi, I've Mailman 3.3.3 running with some mailing lists and it works great. Now I'm looking for a configuration option. I'd like to have some users with permission to - moderate lists AND - perform mass operations (add members, delete members) AND - change settings for single members (execute actions in menu point "Users", "Members") It should be impossible to change other list or mailman settings for this users. To give them the moderation permission is quite easy: I add the users to the moderators of the lists. But for the user management I've to add the users to the list owners and then is there no restriction anymore to change the full list configuration. What can I do? I link to a documentation for this would help as well, but I found nothing. Thanks a lot for an answer Torsten

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Problem getting Mailman3 to work with Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS
by sebensteg＠cod.edu 13 Sep '24

13 Sep '24

Hello everyone, We have been using Mailman3 for over a year and half. We upgraded from Ubuntu 22.04.5, where it was working fine, to Ubuntu 22.04.1. Since then, mailman3 won’t work. When we tried to start it immediately after the upgrade, we got this error: 024-09-12T23:08:04.322353+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... 2024-09-12T23:08:04.935569+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: type psycopg2.extensions.ReplicationConnection has the Py_TPFLAGS_HAVE_GC flag but has no traverse function 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942784+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942869+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: Traceback (most recent call last): 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942938+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: sys.exit(main()) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943123+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943188+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943242+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943284+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943325+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943449+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943508+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943553+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943594+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943753+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943799+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943867+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943911+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943952+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944043+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944085+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.process_value(ctx, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944127+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944182+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944293+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944335+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944376+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize(value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944419+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 229, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944460+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944518+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 187, in initialize_2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944561+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944603+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944708+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 57, in create 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944769+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: database.initialize() 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944856+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/database/base.py", line 117, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944899+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.engine = create_engine( 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944941+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944982+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "<string>", line 2, in create_engine 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945025+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/deprecations.py", line 281, in warned 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945070+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return fn(*args, **kwargs) # type: ignore[no-any-return] 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945112+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945165+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/create.py", line 599, in create_engine 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945208+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: dbapi = dbapi_meth(**dbapi_args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945291+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py", line 690, in import_dbapi 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945332+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: import psycopg2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945374+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 51, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945425+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa 2024-09-12T23:08:04.945478+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception 2024-09-12T23:08:05.071429+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE 2024-09-12T23:08:05.071768+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. 2024-09-12T23:08:05.072429+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. So, ultimately, what we decided to do was reinstall it. But the compilation fails when it tries to make a venv (virtual environment) with this error: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.322353+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... 2024-09-12T23:08:04.935569+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: type psycopg2.extensions.ReplicationConnection has the Py_TPFLAGS_HAVE_GC flag but has no traverse function 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942784+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942869+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: Traceback (most recent call last): 2024-09-12T23:08:04.942938+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: sys.exit(main()) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943123+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943188+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943242+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943284+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943325+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1077, in main 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943449+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943508+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943553+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 943, in make_context 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943594+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: self.parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943753+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1644, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943799+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943867+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943911+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1408, in parse_args 2024-09-12T23:08:04.943952+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944001+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944043+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2400, in handle_parse_result 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944085+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.process_value(ctx, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944127+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944182+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2362, in process_value 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944249+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944293+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944335+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944376+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize(value) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944419+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 229, in initialize 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944460+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944518+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: File "/home/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 187, in initialize_2 2024-09-12T23:08:04.944561+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create() But yet, we have this installed: venv mailman@weather1:~$ pip install psycopg2-binary Requirement already satisfied: psycopg2-binary in ./venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages (2.8.6) Any advice on how to get this working again would be GREATLY appreciated! Gilbert Sebenste Meteorology Support Analyst College of DuPage

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Disabled by bounce
by Allan Hansen 11 Sep '24

11 Sep '24

Hi all, Apparently Google just started to get very aggressive about DKIM settings. Some hundreds of my subscribers have had their subscriptions disabled because of Google's bounces. I tried to 'Enable' some of them, expecting that their bounce scores would be reset, but when I list the users, the bounce scores are still 5. Please advise. Will enabling them without the bounce score being reset just cause the server to disable them again. Yours, Allan

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Trying to understand the mailman.cfg from the virtualenv installation guide
by unite42＠disroot.org 11 Sep '24

11 Sep '24

Hello, I'm trying to install Mailman3 following the Virtualenv Installation guide. I would like to understand why the configurations in the displayed mailman.cfg are recommended. Especially the following two: [archiver.prototype] enable: yes "The prototype archiver stores messages individually in var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/." https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Do I need this, when using hyperkitty? Is this a fail-safe recommendation? [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 What is the background of these recommendations? Thank you for your help! Greetings unite42

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